13. I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997)

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It's the Fisherman's SpecialDay.
Oh, it's the 4th of Julyeverybody.
It's his special day.
Time to kill some teenagers.
Ooh, yes.

Speaker (00:12):
What is your book of Well, hanging out with your
Smartest and Funniest Friend.
You know me, I'll kill

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anybody, but.
Hi Cuties and welcome back toHorror Icon, your queer
playground for all things scary,sexy, and stupid.
You know me, I'm crybaby thespooky slut from your wettest

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nightmare.
And I'm Richard Brooklyn'sFavorite plant daddy.
Yeah, baby photosynthesize.
This.
I'm obsessed with that.
That has to, you have to makethat something.
I have to do something withthat.
I know.
I feel like we should put it ona shirt.
I'm not even getting, we should,we should put that on a plant
daddy empty shirt.
I'm just like so impressed thatI thought of that right now.

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Oh yeah.
You formed a full sentence.
So smart.
Oh.
Gosh.
Well, welcome back everybody.
This is your obligatory reminderto like, and subscribe and do
all that stuff that I'm supposedto tell you to do to help us
grow.
Yes, yes.
We like growing.

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We do.
Oh, that's like a plant thing,dog.
Oh, I feel like I'm losing braincells.
The more I spend hanging outwith me, it tends to happen.
Oh, it tends to happen.
It's okay.
I have too many.
Oh, that sounded so, ah, oh no.

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okay.
Welcome back, Richard.
We just finished recording ourlittle Get to Know Richard
episode, and that energy hasdefinitely carried over to this
episode.
It has episode.
Yes.
Yes it has.
We're feeling chaotic.
We're feeling fancy and fancyfree.
And ready to know what you didlast summer.
I'm ready.
Yes.
I'm ready.
So I know what you did lastsummer again.

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Very, very excited to talk aboutthis movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We touched on a little bitabout, this was one of your
favorite movies, right?
Yes.
Growing up.
Yes.
Did you see this movie intheaters when you were growing
up?
I did.
I, I think I saw it twice.
Twice.
Twice?
Yeah.
Okay.
I think mostly'cause my parentsdidn't want me around the house
anymore, so they just dropped meoff at the mall.
Listen, listen.

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Honestly, similar.
I grew up in a mall.
My mom worked at a mall.
Really?
Yeah.
She ran a portrait studio andThat's so cool.
Yeah.
And whenever my parents weredivorced, whenever I would go
see my father, he would justlike drop me off at the mall
while my mom was working.
Mm.
And I would just run around.
I would go to Spencer's gifts.
Oh, Spencer's is cool.
Yeah.
And I would look at all of thehalf naked birthday cards, like

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all of the men that were likehalf naked.
Oh my God.
They have so much sexual.
Stuff there.
I was more into like the trippyposters.
Oh no.
I was all about the, I was allabout the soft core porn baby.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I remember that section.
Yes.
Yes.
The, the novelty, like the gagstuff.
Yeah, the gag of it all.
The Dickson stuff.
Yes.
Anyway, so, so you saw this intheaters?

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I did.
And you said that this was oneof your favorite horror movies?
Yes.
We may have already said that.
Yeah, I liked this one too.
I don't think there's reallymuch more to cover that we
haven't already covered in theother episode.
Yeah.
I think we're ready.
Yeah.
If you want to know a little bitmore about our experience with,
I know What you did last summerprior to like actually talking
about it.
Talking about it.
Watch the Meet Your Cohostepisode.
It gives no, it gives you a goodpreface of what's to come.

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Exactly.
It lets you know all of thechaotic, frenetic, and you are
the most chaotic guest I've hadon the show.
I mean, I've, I haven't, let'ssee.
I've had Donnie, I've had Chris,I've had.
I've had Donnie and Chris.
I have, I am gonna be, I I havea couple of them.
No, that's more than one.
Yeah, it's more than one.
We're at three right now.
Yeah.
See, you could start having, youcould start like labeling

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people.
Yeah.
You were the most unhinged.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah.
You're welcome.
I love it.
I fuck with it so much.
Anyway.
I know what you did last summer.
That's why we're here.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So I know what you did lastsummer.
Before we get into it, I havemy, there's not more questions
are there?
No.
No there's not.
Oh.
Nothing that you have to thinktoo hard about.
I don't think.
Maybe, I have cry.
Babies breakdown.

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Yay.
Yay.
I have it written downeverybody.
I'm not off book.
Forgive me.
It's Pride Weekend.
I was a busy woman, very busy.
I would actually never memorizethese anyway, before I would
just read it off my computer.
Yeah, you just, yeah.
So here we go.
Here we go.
Happy 4th of July Cuties.
Time to celebrate by punishing agroup of cool, hot, sexy teens

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for their indiscretions.
And by indiscretions I meanhitting someone with their car
and dumping the body into thesea in the hopes of preserving
an athletic scholarship, apageant crown and a clean slate
because these hot teens havetheir entire lives ahead of
them.
Right?
Hmm.
Wrong.
One year after supposedlymurdering some rando, our four

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friends find themselves haunted,not just by guilt and greasy
depression hair, but by someonewho knows exactly what they did
last summer.
This petty crocker ass hook.
Having fisherman is hellbent onsending threatening notes.
Lowkey exploring a career as ahairstylist and hah giving our
leading lady the crabsliterally.

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Friendships crack.
Sarah Michelle Geller startssmoking.
Oh, and instead of calling thecops like normal people, our
group dives into a chaotic roundof hot girl research to figure
out exactly who they murderedand why someone waited a full
year to come for them thisaggressively.
Who will live?
Who will die?
And why is this plot moretangled than the decorative

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fishing nets?
This town seems obligated todisplay.
Oh, the poor town.
I know.
Don't worry babes.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, we're breaking it alldown.
Alright.
We're gonna be screaming aboutSarah Michelle Geller.
Of course.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And we're gonna answer the realquestion.
Was it guilt or was it gay?
Not right now.
Oh.
Yeah.

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Not, do you want me to answerthat?
The be the betrayal after you'relike, there's not more
questions.
Is there?
That's cry Babies breakdown of Iknow.
What did last summer.
Good job.
Um, thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was great.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I, like I said, I really likewriting these.
I like being sarcastic,everybody.
It helps me manage my anger.
Ah, this film, I have someinformation.

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You probably don't know any ofthis, so I'm really excited to
share this with you.
You mean I, I, it's a movie whodirected the movie.
Richard who directed this movie?
Oh, if only, if only, if Only.
No, Jim Gillespie.
Jim.
Jim Gillespie.
Gillespie Gillespie.
Yeah.
I couldn't tell you what else hedirected.

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He hasn't had like the mostthriving career.
Oh.
But he did good with this movie.
Okay.
So Jim.
Yeah.
And apparently the cast reallyliked him.
He loved a good impression onthem.
Really?
Yeah.
There's a clip out there ofJennifer Love Hewitt saying that
he's the favorite director thatshe's ever worked with.
So, good job, Jim.
That's so nice.
Yeah.
You made one of Richard'sfavorite horror movies.
Thank you.
And Jennifer, love Hewitt.
Loves you.
Yeah.
Okay, so I did not know that.

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Yes.
No.
Now we went over this last timeKevin Williamson wrote the
script.
Kevin Williamson wrote Scream.
Another one of my favorites,another one of your favorites.
And fun fact, we, I know it.
You know Kevin Williamson isgay.
You know that, right?
You told me this.
Yes, I did.
You told me.
I did not know that.
Yes.
So you told me that inherentlymakes this movie gay.
It was written by a gay man.
Gay, yes.

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But fun fact, he wrote it beforehe wrote Scream, but nobody
wanted to pick it up.
And then Scream did well becausewell before Scream, the Slasher
wasn't cool.
Slashers were kind of on theirway out in like the late
eighties and early nineties.
Oh.
Because they were so formulaicand they became cheesy, trashy,
almost like, caricatures ofthemselves.
Mm.
So, so what was like the, thelike last major slasher before

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like screaming?
I know you did last summer.
I mean, was it like Halloween?
There was, oh God no.
There was, Halloween was likeone of the first ones.
Oh.
So you have like, you have likeHalloween, you have.
Friday the 13th, which is a ripoff of Halloween.
Even before Halloween, you hadlike black Christmas.
Oh, okay.
What else?
Nightmare on Elm Street Child'splay.
Candyman.
Hellraiser.
Yes.
I wouldn't say Hellraiser.

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Like Candyman and hell raise, Iwouldn't necessarily say they're
slashers, but they're adjacentto it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you had so many just anabundance of slasher films.
Mm.
And even the, the bigfranchises, like Child's Play
and Nightmare on Elma Street,they were becoming parodies of
themselves.
It just, it was cheesy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, the, the, the magic waslost.
Yeah.

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And then so Scream came alongand inserted this meta
self-awareness into the horrormovie.
It made horror cool again.
We had this hot, sexy team.
Yeah.
The teens, it felt very rootedin reality and not just in some.
You know, fantasy dreammetropol.
Oh yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
Because these killers couldactually happen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Huh.
So that's kind of what breathedlife into it.
And so I think that's one of thereasons why I know what you did
last summer wasn't picked upbecause nobody was really
interested in that kind of ofmovie to go back to that genre.
Yeah.
And then scream made it sexy,and then they picked it up like
immediately.
They're just like, oh, this guywrote scream.
We want that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, okay.
Yeah.
But, and that explains why thisone doesn't feel as, slashy and

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self-aware scream.
This one feels more like atraditional onic kind of thing.
There's more of a mysteryelement to it.
It's more of a slower pace kindof thing.
So it's really interesting toknow that this was technically
written first and PE a lot ofpeople think that this is the
first rip off of Scream.
Mm.
When I, I guess that's not true,everybody.

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Not technically.
Yeah.
No.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
This came first.
This one is my favorite.
This film is where Power CoupleSarah Michelle Geller and
Freddie Prince Jr.
Met.
I knew that.
Yes, I knew that.
Yes, of course.
'cause you're a messy bitch.
I am.
Yes.
Our Teen Dreams, I love them somuch.
Everybody.
They're, they're still together.
Yes, they are.

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They're such a cute couple.
Yes, they are.
I fucking, I'm so happy thatthey found each other and that
they're happy.
Yeah.
Yes.
Two of the hottest teenheartthrobs from the nineties
too.
They are really hot.
They really are.
They still are really hot.
I had the biggest crush onFreddie Prince Jr.
Freddie Prince Jr.
Was cute though.
Yeah.
I thought he, especially whenshe's the man.
Now she's the man.
What the fuck am I talkingabout?
She Oh, oh, she's all that.
She's all that.
She's all that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes, yes.
The jock.
The, yeah, and she's all thatmy, yeah.
I wore Myra, Rachel Lee Cook.
Rachel Lee Cook, another threename.
Yes.
Yeah.
Everybody had three names in thenineties.
Everybody, you know, I was solike into this world that I
tried having three names too.
What was it?
I was like, my middle name isTran, so it's not as like cool,
because my full name would beRichard Tran fam.

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I, listen, listen, I thinkthat's pretty nifty in the
nineties.
The unfortunate thing is, in thenineties you would've absolutely
been a token.
You would've walked at therestaurant.
Yeah.
A thousand percent,unfortunately.
It was funny, but it wasnt famfam it, it didn't have like the,
the sex appeal of like FreddiePrince Jr.
Or Rich.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?

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Yeah.
It was, that's fair.
It was a little corny sounding.
Which I kind of liked.
Yeah.
Well it was very me.
Yeah.
Which is corny.
Which is corny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm fine with that now.
I embrace that now.
Yes.
I love that.
As you should.
No, but what I'm saying is, andshe's all that Yes.
The, the ending when,'cause hehad that dare when to make her
over.

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Yeah.
And like she didn't win orwhatever, Uhhuh.
And so he had to live up to it.
And so He attends graduationNaked and there's the shot of
just like them panning over andhe's sitting there with the
soccer ball.
I wore my VHS out.
I replayed that so much.
I have a, I love thighs.
I fucking love thighs.

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That's that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was just like, I was inheaven.
So yeah, they met on this movieand they're in love.
So, so cute.
So congratulations.
Yes.
I know.
Congratulations.
I, if you guys watch this, SarahMichelle Geller, Freddie Prince
Jr.
If you ever find this, I loveyou both so much.

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Thank you for being here on thisplanet.
Thank you for this movie.
Thank you for Scooby-Doo.
Yes.
Yes.
And just thank you for making mebelieve in love again, because
Thank you for slaying thevampires, Joe.
Oh, that too.
Yes, I want to do a Buffyepisode so bad.
I I probably will sound off onthe comments.
If you want a Buffy episode,it's gonna fucking explode.

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It's gonna fucking explodeeverybody.
Jesus.
Um, oh, so back to the book.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You read the book, right?
Yes, I did read the book.
So the author of the book, Uhhuhhated this movie.
Really?
Absolutely.
Because it probably wasn'taccurate, right?
Well, yeah, because, well, she,this is actually really sad.
Her daughter was murdered.
Yeah.
T did someone hit her?

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Uh, it doesn't say, it just saidthat her youngest daughter was
murdered in 1989.
What?
Yeah.
And so she doesn't find a murderto be something like, oh my God.
Uh, to enjoy from entertainmentperspective.
'cause the book, nobody dies inthe book, everybody.
No, no, no, no.
Like the book is very much like,it's everyone survives.
and I get where she's comingfrom.
Oh my God.
Like, I, I absolutely get it.

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If I wrote a book where nobodydied.
And then somebody I love gotmurdered her daughter.
And then you took my book, myother child and made it into a
story where people are gettingmurdered.
I'd be pissed too.
Oh my God.
I wouldn't be happy about it.
So I didn't know that.
Mm-hmm.
We're so insensitive.
Yeah.
I found that on IMDB.
Mm.
Oh, this one is pretty wideknowledge, but I'm curious to

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know if you know it.
There's a very iconic scene inthis movie.
What are you waiting for?
Yes, yes.
That was directed by a kid.
What?
Yeah.
Wait.
Yeah.
I thought you said that thedirector was Jim.
Yeah.
The whole Jim.
Yes.
Jim directed the whole movie.
But there was apparently thiscontest where, a kid won the

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chance to direct a scene in themovie.
What?
Yeah.
So that iconic, like, what areyou waiting for A moment was
from a child, and Jennifer LoveHewitt was not on board at
first.
She was like, really?
That's what you're gonna have medo?
She's like, this is what's gonnahappen.
What are you waiting for?
Huh?
And then she did it and she waslike, yeah.
And then everybody fucking lovedit.
Isn't that wild?

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What?
Who knows what that kid's up tothese days?
Well, who is this kid?
I don't know.
I didn't go that far.
I'm not gonna look into a childthat directed a scene in a
movie.
How old was this kid?
Oh, wait, we don't know.
I don't know.
Well, I just remember thatscene.
Everyone's tits looking exactlythe same.
Yeah.
Just like, yeah, they're likeall the same, like cup size.
Yeah.
And their cleavage is sodelicately framed.

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What a pervert.
That kid I fucking, I know.
That's why he wanted the, that'swhy, that's why he, one of the
overhead.
I said, wait a minute.
He gets a chance to direct ascene with two hotties.
And he's like, O, overhead shotplease.
Low cut shirts.
Thank you.
Can you jump a little bit more?
I wanna know who he is.
That's true kid.
If you're watching this, I'mcurious.
I'm curious.
Yeah.
What was your inspiration and doyou get residuals from this?

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Was it, oh, that's a good que.
I need to know the facts.
Was this free labor?
I know what you did.
15.
How long?
15 summers ago.
Mama.
Math is not your strong suit.
We're coming on almost 30 years.
Oh my 30 It was, it came out in1997.
Oh, it did?
We're in 2025.
I know you did.
30 years, 28 years ago.

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28 years ago.
I know you did 28 summers ago.
Free Child, labor Free.
Oh, somebody call Scandal..
Yeah.
Yeah.
Somebody call OSHA right now.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
And the last, uh, little tea potbitching that I have to do, I'm
very curious about this.
Originally, Jennifer LoveHewitt, auditioned for the role

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of Helen and Sarah.
Michelle Geller auditioned forthe role of Julie, so they would
have been, they auditioned,swapped.
Ah, and I'm just very curiousabout how that, you know what,
that happens to Sarah.
Michelle Geller a lot.
She auditions for one role andthen she gets booked for
another, and she auditions for,for Cordelia, and then she got
Buffy, thank God.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

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I wonder what it is about SarahMichelle Geller, where she, like
g gets in the room and they'rejust like, no, but yes.
I just, it's happening again.
Begin the count.
Everybody begin.
It's happening.
Begin the count.
It's happening again.
If this is your first time here,I am legitimately counting how
many times Richard burps into mymicrophone.
I'm curious.

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Part of me wants to see whatthat movie would be, and here's
why.
I love Sarah Michelle Geller,and she's great.
Spoiler alert, I, we go th I'vegone through this in Chucky.
We're doing it again.
If you're watching this, there'sgoing to be spoilers.
This movie is almost 30 yearsold.
If you haven't seen it yet, thisisn't a good replacement for
watching the movie.
We're gonna talk about it.

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You should watch the movie andthen come back to us.
Mm-hmm.
So you have three seconds.
Two, one.
I hate that Sarah MichelleGeller died in this movie.
It's the most upsetting thingfor me.
It's so sad and so I'm justlike.
How, not that I don't likeJennifer Love Hewitt, but it's
like I would've much preferredher to die, and so we could keep
Sarah Michelle Geller.
Honestly, like after SarahMichelle Geller dies.

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I don't watch the movie anymore.
Yeah.
I still have no idea who thekiller is.
I have no, I like serious.
I blank out and I re and Irewatched it again in
preparation for this.
Yeah.
You've watched it like threetimes now.
Right?
I've watched it three times, butright after that tire scene, I
just start cleaning my kitchenagain.
Well, it's like, okay, there'sthe emotional element of it

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first off, but this is aconvoluted ass storyline.
Everybody, it doesn't makesense.
It, I, it makes sense.
It makes, it makes sense, butit's not the way, it's the, the
way it's given to us is just youhave to actually sit with it and
you have to think about it.
So I get it.
That sounds super too much forme.
That's too much for me.
That's why I'm here.
that's why I got you.
Thank you.

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Of course, someone needs to bethe brains of this situation.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
I got you.
Everybody.
that's the tea that I got.
Consider the pot bitch.
Wow.
I love how surprised you are bya lot of this.
I was very surprised.
Yeah.
I, Hey, you learn something newevery day.
Somebody needs to, invent amachine where we could hop into
other timelines.

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want to go see the version ofthe movie where Sarah Michelle
Geller is Julie James andJennifer.
Love Hewitt is Helen Shivers.
Speaking of which, let's gothrough our characters.
Yes.
So we have Julie James, who isplayed by Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Mm-hmm.
She's our final girl.
She is.
We know that because she'sBurnett and she's smart.
She goes to college, she does goto college.

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She goes to college and shedoesn't do well.
Spoiler alert.
No, no, no.
The trauma.
Yes.
And then we have her bestfriend, Helen Shivers, played by
Sarah Michelle Geller.
Yeah.
let's be honest, Helen is thefinal girl that we deserved.
Yes.
A much more compellingcharacter, in my opinion.
She had beauty.
She had a, a beautiful chasescene.
She had a character arc.
She did?

(18:30):
Yeah, she did.
And she drinks diet Coke out ofa glass without ice, which is
very European also.
That glass is huge.
Thank you.
And she only pours this muchinto it.
She pours the smallest amountinto it.
I'm like, girl, okay.
I literally, I turned to myroommate and I'm just like,
she's a sociopath.
And my roommate was like, I dothat.

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And I'm like, oh, what?
Okay.
Who, who drinks?
So like that.
Yeah.
Okay.
I need y'all to let me know.
Okay.
Who does drink soda like that?
A warm can of diet Coke and ahuge glass, but you only pour
about an inch and you drink.
I understand.
Not drinking outta the canbecause when it like gets
shipped and stuff, rat piss,whatever.
Oh.

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Do you not think about that?
I'm like, oh no.
Oh no.
I just ruined for shit.
Oh my God.
God, you.
Oh, why would they do that?
Why would the rats piss there?
Because'cause they're rats.
That's what they, they have,they they have to piss.
Oh my God.
Go piss girl.
Okay.
Alright.
Not my, I'm learning so muchright now.
This is no longer a podcast.

(19:32):
I'm currently tutoring Richardfam, Richard t fam, plant Daddy
MD on how to survive in the realworld.
So someone needs to show me.
Okay.
So, yeah, but it's summer too,so it's hot.
Yeah, it's warm soda.
That's, anyway, apparently Helenis supposed to be vapid.

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She's not.
She's deep, Sarah, she's deep,has too much depth and warmth.
She's deep.
She like, she takes up cigarettesmoking.
Yeah, she's that, she's, thatshe's troubled.
She's supposed to be an actual,she moves to New York too.
Yeah, there's the, there's themo.
I would like to see, the NewYork evidence.
Yeah, me too.
What was her life in New York?
We'll never know.
Alright.
Alright.
Barry.
Barry, who is Helen's boyfriend.

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Yes.
Ryan Philippi.
He is toxic masculinityincarnate.
That's all I have to say aboutthat.
Cute though.
He is really cute.
Definitely nineties heartthrob,very sexy scenes.
uh, Ryan Philippine and SarahMichelle Geller were both in
Cruel Intentions, which is oneof my favorite movies from the
nineties.
One of my favorite movies too.
Very queer actually.
Oh, very queer.
Very sexy.
Very sexy.
Ryan Philippine's.
Butt.
I wore the VHL on that too.

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Oh, I wore that VHS out too.
I paused it.
Spank Bank Full.
It's, it's, I I can, it'sexactly in my brain.
I can close my eyes and see RyanPhilippi getting outta the pool,
drying off his hair butt just.
For Reese Witherspoon.
Yes.
And that's how they met on thatset, right?
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That, see, that was, that washow you met your, like your,

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like your, that's how you metyour babe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to do a teen movie.
You have to do a fucked up teenmovie with them.
Yes.
So we, yeah.
See the, we've lost the way.
Yeah.
Fun fact.
The character Barry was supposedto be like this big, like a
really big guy, like a super bigjock and, um.

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Continue.
So he was supposed to be areally big jock, but, they cast
Ryan Philippi because he wasjust really good at being
aggressive.
Like he made up for it.
He he's very aggress aggressive.
Yeah.
He played it really well.
He did, he played it very well.
Next we have Ray played byFreddie Prince Jr.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, he's Julie's bf, he's ourworking class hero.
He is.
There is a class divide in thisfriend group.
Everybody there is becauseBarry, Helen and, Julie Earl,

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well off.
And Ray is not, no, Ray isworking class.
He is.
He fishes.
Yes, he is.
He's pretty white bread, but he,it's fine.
'cause he is handsome.
Yeah, he's really, really cute.
Yeah, he's, he's really cute.
His name is Ray.
Um, yes.
And a couple of our otherperipheral characters, we have
Mac.
Who is, the other fisherman,dude?

(22:04):
Uh oh.
Yes.
Yes.
It, yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Played by David Galecki, the guyfrom, big Bang Theory.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
He like want, he want, he wantsin with the group, right?
He wants in with the group.
And he has like a crush onsomeone.
Doesn't he have a crush onJulie?
I think he's just like, intoJulie.
He's also like, it's, it's, youknow, back to that class divide.
You have, you know, Ray, who isin with these cool kids and

(22:26):
these rich kids.
Mm-hmm.
And then you have Max who isoutside looking in.
Mm.
And so there's obviously a lotof tension there.
Yeah.
And a lot of, animosity.
Oh, you never, I never saw itlike that.
Yeah.
I think they talk about itdirectly in the script.
Oh.
Oh.
He says something to Ray that'sjust like, oh, like you play the
part of a rich kid.
Well, or something like that.

(22:47):
He did say that.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
So there's Max.
We also have Elsa.
Played by Bridget Wilson.
Justice for Elsa.
Ju Really, I thought.
We're gonna talk about that.
Yeah, we're gonna talk abouther.
I'm very excited about her.
She's Helen's older sister andshe is very bitchy.
She's very bitchy.
Very bitchy.
And not having any of Helen'sshenanigans.
Nope.
And then our final peripheralcharacter, we have Missy played

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by Anne Hesh.
Anne Hesh.
She's the supposed creepy cronekind of character.
Are we making a fear out ofimpoverished people?
I don't know.
That's what it appears.
Creepy Crohn.
Yeah.
I mean, she's not really chron.
But she's the oldest one, likeof teens.
She's the oldest one of theteens.
Exactly.
She was like in her thirties.
Yeah.
God forbid.
Yes.
So that's our list ofcharacters.

(23:30):
So let's just jump right on in.
We're gonna talk about themovie.
My goal, everybody, for thisepisode, is for Richard to
finally know who did I know whatyou did last summer?
The killer?
Who done did the, did the I knowwhat you did last.
Who knows what they did lastsummer?
Who knows?
Who knows?
Anyway, okay, so we open up, Ilike to call this, this first

(23:50):
beat is very much like GaslightGate.
Keep manslaughter.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We have like your traditional,like hot, sexy teen openings,
like the whole exposition dump,right?
Mm-hmm.
We have Helen Shivers in herpageants.
Yes.
And that's with that quote.
The, what was that?
The, oh, God.
The question was, did I writedown, how are you going to use
your, like, your, ah, I have itwritten down.

(24:12):
What will be your contributionto your community and the world
at large?
And she says something along thelines of after I graduate, I'm
gonna move to New York and takeon a career of being a serious,
serious actress.
Yes.
It's not only a, any actress, aserious, serious actress, and
she says, through art, I shallserve my country.

(24:36):
It's so cunty you guys.
Yay.
It's so good.
That's where, that's what,that's the moment where we're
like, she needs to be the finalgirl.
What young faggot would not saythat though.
Honestly, I would say that too.
so yeah, it's like, it's the 4thof July.
Everyone's partying.
This is a small seaside town.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which I love as a setting.
How do you feel about a seasidetown?
Town?
I like a seaside town.
It's very romantic.

(24:56):
Yeah.
It's a lot of shellfish.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, yes.
Um, you know, like there's likeharbors and stuff and Yeah.
Boats.
Boats.
Lots of boats.
Lots of boats.
There's lots of boats in thismovie.
All there's like festivals,Uhhuh, and like lots of people.
Yeah, yeah people.
That's the first thing I thinkof when I think of Seaside Town.

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I'm just like, people, you knowwhat, these seaside towns, they
got people.
They got people, and that'sspecial.
Special.
No, I hear you.
It's very like, it's veryAmericana.
It is.
Which, but it's like sleepyAmericana.
Yeah.
When you see that shot of.
Ryan Philippy, like going to hisgym.
Mm-hmm.
It's not like a fancy gym.
It's like a Yeah, like a cabgym.

(25:38):
It's like literally the punchingbag is next to the lockers.
Is next to the showers.
Yep.
Yeah, it's, yeah.
I'm with you.
Small town girls.
It's very quaint.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a very quaintsetting, which is really cute.
So yeah, like they're partying.
Helen Shivers, she wins thecrown of the Roker queen.
She, yeah, she does our Rokerqueen for life.
Do we know what she had to dothough, to get that crown

(26:01):
though?
She had to wear a bathing suitand serve her country.
Okay.
But wasn't it, okay, so like,my, my thing is that, so if we,
if we fast forward in the moviewhen she, when she has to go to
the crowning again Yeah.
There's a talent portion.
Yeah.
She probably acted.
I wonder what scene.
I don't know.

(26:23):
It was made from something likea soap opera or something.
Because Sarah Michelle Gellerwas in soap operas before she
started doing this shit.
She, yes.
General Hospital, right?
Was the general hospital?
I know she was part of like aBurger King commercial.
It was, it wasn't all mychildren.
Anyway.
We'll figure it out.
Figure out.
We'll figure it out.
Figure out.
I think she was acting okay.
Okay.
Because also part of me, well,no, I'm getting this mixed up

(26:45):
with scary movie.
whatever.
Okay, so she wins.
So she, she wins the crown, shewins the pageant.
Yes.
And then they're all like,they're partying.
They go to the beach.
Mm-hmm.
They, they tell stories.
They plan their futures.
They have sex.
They do.
Yeah.
And they get drunk, underagedrinking.
Underage drinking.
Mm-hmm.
See, that's, that's like, that'spart of the, the horror formula.
Yeah.

(27:05):
You're doing naughty things.
No.
Oh, it's the, it's the, uh,what, what did you call it?
Trope.
Yes.
That is a trope.
You're learning.
I learned, yes.
Changing life.
Changing lives.
Vocab.
Yes.
So yes.
That is a trope.
That is a trope.
That is a trope.
Yeah.
but Ray drives home.
It's Barry's car Ryan.

(27:26):
It's Ryan Philippi's car.
But Freddie Prince is drivingbecause he's sober.
Sober.
Mm-hmm.
But they still get into a caraccident because Barry's being a
fuck ass, sticking his headoutta that fucking window and
spilling beer everywhere.
Yeah.
So they hit somebody.
And this is one of those thingswhere I cannot get it out of my
mind because of scary moviewhere Julie finds the boot in
the street because they're like,what do we hit?

(27:47):
What do we hit?
And Julie finds the boot, and Ijust can't help but think of
Scary Movie where she's like, ohmy God, we hit a boot.
It's like, I expect JenniferLove Hewitt to say that.
And it's, but really it wasShannon Elizabeth when she, have
you seen Scary movie?
I haven't.
Oh gosh.
I know.
Uh, well, Shannon Elizabeth'scharacter in scary movies named

(28:08):
Buffy.
Oh.
It's really cheeky.
Is it on Netflix?
It's very problematic.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's a very problematic movie.
It was problematic then.
It's problematic now, but it'slike, even better.
It's a filthy watch.
Yeah.
But they find out they hitsomebody and because they all
have their lives ahead of them,they decide to just, well,
except for Julie, Julie's like,no, we need to call the police.

(28:28):
But everyone's just like, no,dump the body.
Mm-hmm.
And they all, it's reallyinteresting'cause they all have
different, reactions to it.
Like Sarah Michelle Geller's.
Just like, let's, she wanted toforget about it.
She's like, let's pretend thisnever, this never happened.
This never happened, neverhappened.
This never happened.
She, let's act Exactly.
Exactly.
She was, she was using hertalent Yes.
Help serve her country.
Serving the country.

(28:48):
Yeah.
They all have a differentreaction.
Mm-hmm.
So what, what was Ray's though?
Ray wanted.
Ray was just more so He was likeshook.
He was shook.
But Ray was just kind of like,think about how this is going to
look.
Mm.
Like Ray is just like, this isgoing to, this isn't gonna look
good.
No one's gonna believe that wasdriving the car.
That's true.
'cause he, he would be like the,oh, this was part of the

(29:10):
discussion.
They were like, but if we doturn ourselves in, who's gonna
get the blame?
Exactly.
And they were just like, theywere always gonna think it's
Barry.
Mm-hmm.
Barry had a scholarship.
Like they were all like thinkingvery selfishly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, under, I get it.
But it's like you hit somebodywith your car broke.
Yeah.
Um, max also drives by the, thegel, the jealous guy.
Yes.
Yes he does.
Yeah.
So they have like a potentialwitness and all this stuff, but

(29:32):
they end up deciding to dump thebody.
He fucking snatches that crownoff of Sarah Michelle Geller's
head though my crown.
And he falls into the ocean orwherever they dump his ass.
And then Ryan Philippe has to godown and get it.
And the motherfucker's stillalive, but they left him still
down there.
I'm like, you could have savedhim still.
I'm like, he's still alive atthat point.

(29:53):
You're dumb.
Like, I mean, I guess it's dumbin general, but it's like, if,
if he's still alive, I mean, Iguess that is an awkward
conversation.
Like he wakes up and you're allstanding over him about to dump
him into the ocean.
Just be like, oh, funny seeingyou here.
Uh, so yeah.
Someone else hit you.
Yeah.
but no, they dump his ass andthen they make a pact to never

(30:14):
talk about it ever again.
They, they swear by it.
Yeah.
Ryan fil literally pushing, likehe chokes her.
The toxic masculinity of thismotherfucker.
He literally grabs her by thethroat, pushes her against the
car and says, you never talkabout this ever again.
Yeah.
Like to your grave.
To your grave.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's like, yes, Barry's mygrave.
She's like, fuck Barry.
Yeah.
So needless to say, this justfucks up their whole friendship

(30:35):
dynamic.
Mm-hmm.
Because the next time we seethem is one year later, they're
different.
I laughed so fucking hard.
I'm gonna edit the clip in hereif I can.
The first time we see Julie,they do major storytelling with
her hair throughout this moviebecause her hair is so like
buoyant and full.
In the first part of the movie,the first thing we see is like

(30:57):
the back of her head, and sheturns around and the way she
turns around, she's just like,looks dead.
She looks so freaking dead.
Her hair is so greasy, stringy,mousy.
Mm-hmm.
Whoever was the makeup designeron this movie, props to you,
mama.
Props to you because that hairstory you told.
So good.
So many hair stories.
So many hair stories.

(31:17):
So many hair It was so good.
Like Julia's depressed.
She's not doing good in school.
Her mom thinks she's on drugs.
Mm-hmm.
Helen's tripped to her.
She doesn't even like her cod.
Do you remember the mom search?
Oh yeah.
How do you like your codsweetie?
Just Oh, that is the specialtyof the town.
Ah, yes.
we finally, we get our firstnote.
Everybody, the titular.
I know what we did last summernote.

(31:38):
Do you know what titular means?
No.
Of the title?
Wait, what it's like of thetitle.
So if like the titular, likethe, the movie is called I Know
What You Did Last Summer.
Yes.
So the titular note says, I knowwhat we did last summer.
Oh, okay.
Much like with, Candyman.
Right.
The movie's called Candyman thecharacter Candyman is the
titular Candyman.
Ah.
We're learning here.

(31:58):
Everybody.
So it's like this, just like areference to the title.
Yeah.
It's like the, basically thereason why the movie's titled
that.
Oh yeah.
Titular tit has the, that hasthe title.
Title, yeah.
You're gonna have so many braincells when we're done,
everybody.
I'm gonna be like ascreenwriter.
You know what the finale of thisseason, I'm gonna be a
screenwriter.
I'm a screenwriter.
so yeah, we get that note.

(32:19):
The titular, I know we did lastsummer note Uhhuh.
And, immediately Julie startsfreaking out she reaches out,
she summons the girls, shesummons the girls.
We, this is where we find outthat Helen's acting career
didn't work out in New York.
Yeah.
She goes, she goes to, shivers.
Mm-hmm.
Which is the, the family likeantique store or something.
Yeah.
It's like a department store.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A department store.
Quotes around that one.

(32:39):
She sees Elsa.
Okay.
Elsa, absolutely love.
Tell me.
Because number one, she's abitch.
Very.
But she honestly is the one whohas the most reality of things.
You think so?
I think so.
Like, she's not having the shitanymore.
She's like, Helen, you're aspoiled brat.
That's true.
Helen probably got a lot ofattention'cause she was the
pretty one.
She was the pretty one.
Yeah.
I get that.

(33:00):
I don't think maybe before theevents of this movie, she was a
spoiled brat.
I don't think the Helen Shiversthat we spend our time with in
this movie is a spoiled bra.
No, no, no.
She's been through things.
No, she's been through things.
Yeah, because.
She's working the fragrancecounter.
Everybody.
She's working that fragrance.
She's a working girl now.
Yes.
Um, because Julie is trying toget Helen's New York number.
Mm-hmm.
And Elsa's just like you can askher, she's standing about 10

(33:22):
feet to your left.
It's like, bitch, she's so me.
She's love her.
My only thing is, I don't knowif I buy that they're sisters.
I get that siblings rag on eachother.
But it, this feels way toomean-spirited to be a sister.
Yeah.
There's no, there is no ever ofa moment of, uh, affection.

(33:42):
No.
Because even if you're like rudeto your, you still help her out.
Exactly.
But she, which she definitelydid not.
Yeah.
She can't stand this bitch.
Elsa fucking hates Helen.
Written all over her face.
But yeah, We get Helen, we getBarry Barry's like, you two look
like shit.
Ran over twice.
And I'm like, I'm like, Juliemaybe, but Sarah Michelle Geller
looks great.
What are you talking about?

(34:02):
She has like big hair with hercigarette.
Cigarette.
Yes.
I'm shook that Sarah andMichelle Geller smoked in this
movie.
Was it a real cigarette?
I don't know if it was a realcigarette, but just the image.
Maybe it's because I'm moreaware of intention of smoking in
movies.
Mm.
And like some people just don'twant that for their image.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like, it, it was jarring forme.
I'm like, Buffy is smoking badgirl.

(34:25):
What?
Yeah.
I feel like Sarah MichelleGaller would do like those
acting chances though.
Yeah.
She's like, you know, she's likea, she's a committed woman.
She's been well, she's like beenacting her whole life.
Yeah.
She's an artist.
She is an artist.
Yeah.
So they have that wholeconversation about.
The note and Barry's like, oh,like this note's dumb, doesn't

(34:45):
mean anything.
Oh yeah.
And we also find out Barry andHelen broke up.
Yes.
They took, and then Ray andJulie broke up.
Helen and Julie are no longerbest friends.
They don't talk.
I don't think Ray and Barry wereeven friends.
Oh no.
They weren't even friends againwith then.
Don't even worry about that.
But yeah, they're all estrangedfrom each other and I think this
is the first time they've reallyseen each other since that
incident.
And they all think that Max isthe one that wrote the note.

(35:08):
Yes.
'Cause he was like the witness.
Yes.
So Barry uses his toxicmasculinity, try to beat it out
of him, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like the crab shack orsomething?
The crab shack.
Yeah.
Because I mean, he, uh, he's aworking girl.
He's a work, yeah.
Yeah.
He's a working girl.
Yeah.
But I love how when he's walkingout, he's like, he won't be
bothering us anymore.
And the girls are like, what'dyou do?
And he is like, he won't bebothering us anymore.

(35:29):
It's like, you literally likeassaulted this man.
Ugh, Barry.
Fucking Barry.
Yeah.
Barry.
Calm down.
Yeah.
With your daddy's money.
I know.
Fucking rich ass Barry.
But that's when our first killhappens.
That's right.
Yeah.
Tell us about that kill.
Oh, so like, after Barry, likeShoves Max.
There's a hook on one of the icecubes.

(35:49):
And then the next shot, the hookis gone.
Gee, gasp.
Where'd the hook go?
And then through the crab oil,through the, through the steam,
we see the hood killer.
The slicker.
The slicker.
And he has the hook and goes Maxdrags him into the, to the crab.
Yeah, the crab soup.
The hook right through the jaw.
Yeah.
That stuck with me when I was akid.

(36:11):
Ooh.
Yeah.
That was like, that was a, thatwas a gory kill.
It was, it's just, that's like ajump scare for me.
That is, yeah.
It's, it's,, that was addedafter the film had already
wrapped.
Really?
Yeah.
Another fun fact, that scene,they needed that scene though.
They did.
Exactly.
They needed that because theyneeded us to feel that danger
earlier on in the movie.
Mm-hmm.
Originally the film was verytame with kills.
Like, it wasn't that gory, therewasn't that much blood.

(36:33):
But after doing some testaudiences and stuff, they, they
were like, no, we need to kill.
Yeah.
They ne they needed some gore.
Yeah.
Thank God they did.
Because this is a, it, it's agreat kill.
It's a great death scene.
It's a good moment.
Yeah.
With the drag and everything andall of like the, the ice and the
steam.
Mm-hmm.
And the, it's very, the elementsvisceral the elements.
It's a very visceral scene.
Yeah.
And it, you can smell that room.

(36:55):
You can smell that room.
You can, yeah, you could smellit.
It's stanks.
Oh, and they also bump into Ray.
Ray is currently a fisherman.
Mm-hmm.
Every time Julie has aconversation with Ray in this
movie, she ends it by runningaway from him.
Did you notice that?
Not that you mention it.
He does or she does.
She does, yeah.
She just like runs on off.
Oh.
But one of my favorite memes outthere is from this scene.

(37:18):
Which one?
It's just like, it's a pictureof Jennifer Love Hewitt with her
head tilted a little to theside, and she looks kind of
confused, and then the subtitlefrom the movie says, horns
Blowing.
You've never seen that?
No.
I'm gonna send it to you afterwe're done.
It's so fucking funny.
What does that mean?
It's just like stupid.
I don't know what it means tome.
To me, like just the look on herface is one of utter confusion.

(37:43):
It's like the lights are on, butno one's home.
Oh, and then the subtitle ofHorns Blowing.
It's just like that's what'shappening in her head.
That's how I read it.
I'm curious to know what anybodyelse thinks about that meme.
It's really funny though.
Yeah.
I'll take a look.
And then we go to the gym withBarry.
Okay.
So when, when we were talkingabout the, the queer
intersection of this movie, Iwas like, you know what I'm

(38:04):
gonna be, tell me I'm gonna becrybaby to it.
Tell me I'm gonna do myresearch.
Uhhuh.
So I was like watching themovie.
I'm like, I don't, I don't seeanything gay.
But then.
This locker room scene happensand I went, oh, mm-hmm.
This is gay.
It literally looks like a SeanCody set.
It does.
It really does.
Skinny little twink boy, with a,a strategically low towel.

(38:27):
Of course.
Like yeah.
It was very homoerotic and the,the, they linger on him in the
shower for a while, it's veryvoyeuristic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was, it was very, veryhomosexual.
Yeah.
I'm very glad you brought thatup'cause I'm very curious to
know out there, everyone outthere in Babeland, how many of
you.
When you were kids saw thismovie and this was one of your

(38:48):
sexual awakenings.
'cause for me it was, it wasvery sexy.
It was very sexy.
Because like scream didn't dothat?
No, no.
There was no like, Ooh, look atthis physique, look at this male
bod.
No, nothing like that.
Nothing.
Yeah.
So this was, I wonder if KevinWilliams had had anything to do
with that.
He was like, I didn't get to do,wait, we're casting Ryan
Philippi.
Hold on.
Maybe let me rewrite this herereal quick.

(39:08):
Maybe it's, maybe it's becausehe didn't get to do it for
Scream, maybe.
He was like, no, I need to havea hot, they're like, no, no, no.
We gotta have the girls.
We have the girls.
No, I need to objectify man.
Uh, he's like, oh, I'm gonnahave it now.
I'm gonna cast these two.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm gonna have them in tightlittle tank tops.
And let's be honest how, I hatesaying this, but how
unfortunately true for a queerfantasy to have that kind of

(39:29):
scene in set up with one of themost like toxically straight men
you could think of like it, Ihate to say it, so many queer.
Men just love that straightfantasy.
And I just like that voyeurismin this Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's, well, it'salmost like we're filthy.
I kinda like it because it'slike we're objectifying it.
I love objectifying, you knowwhat I mean?
It's like we're not saying thatthey're smart or we're not like,

(39:51):
you're literally me.
You're dumb and you're hot.
Exactly.
Yeah.
That's, that's all you are.
That's all you are.
That's all you are.
He's like walking around.
He gets that little picture orsomething that says, I still
know.
Oh yeah, he does in his locker.
Right.
Oh, and his jacket's missingtoo.
His jacket.
Oh, the jacket.
The jacket.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And then this agro ass fuckingfisherman hits him with a car.
Yeah.
And so this is, this is weird tome, right?

(40:13):
Oh, I think we're on the samepage here.
That you feel like that heshould have been killed.
He should have been killed rightthere.
Yeah.
But, but he lets it linger theway it transitions from Barry
begging for his life to the nextscene, it literally just fades
to black.
Nothing happens.
And it's, I feel like it's theonly transition in the movie
that is like that.
Yeah.
Because it's like a very, likethe next, next, next time on

(40:34):
wings.
Like Yeah.
It's just, it was, I didn't likethat.
Yeah, I didn't like that.
If you're not gonna kill him inthis scene, have a good reason
for him to have survived.
Yeah.
Apart from, I guess you just letme live.
It was because that's literallywhat Barry says.
That's literally, yeah.
Yeah.
Is like, I guess you just wantedme to live.
Although the shot was reallyhorrifying though.
'cause they did, like, fromBarry's perspective.
Oh yeah, It was very POV horror,which is cool.

(40:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But should have killed, theyshould have died.
Should've died.
I feel like they just didn'tknow how to end the scene.
So they're like, ah, blackout.
They're like, we actually needhim fade the black.
So this is when we start torealize, okay, somebody's
fucking with them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's getting worse and worseand worse.
'cause they're with Barry in thehospital, which means it's,
they're forced to be togetheragain.

(41:15):
Oh no.
they're all trying to figure outwho this is and Barry thinks
it's Ray.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
But then Sarah, Michelle Gellerand Julie get into hot girl
research mode.
Yeah, the library or something.
There's always some hot girlresearch.
They go onto the internet, theypull up a bunch of articles.
They pulled the articles.
Yes.
Two years ago, guess what?

(41:37):
Some guy named David Egan gotinto a drunken car accident and
killed his fiance.
Oh, do you remember that?
There weren't in a libraryactually.
You see a book in your brainturns off.
Off.
Yeah.
No.
So they find out like,'cause.
As far as they know.
Oh yes.
The person they killed is DavidEgan.
Okay.
Somebody that was found dead.

(41:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, not too long after theydumped the body.
And so they, through theinternet search, they realized
that David Egan had a year priorto that, killed his fiance in a
drunk driving accident.
Oh.
So they're kind of starting touncover some things, and this is
when they find out that hesurvived by his mother and his
sister.
And so they drive up to, inlandsomewhere.

(42:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They have a little lesbian roadtrip.
They do.
Listen, I know that they're notqueer, but there is some, the
discussions they have in thatcar.
Yeah.
Very lesbian.
There's something veryemotionally charged about their
relationship.
When you think about howHelen's, facade of just like
being perfect and beautiful,that all kind of starts to
crumble.

(42:38):
And then you have Julie who iskind of this moral high ground
kind of girl and how those canboth be like responses to, a
failed queer relationship.
Mm.
You know, like one is like, oh,hol than now the other one lets
themselves go.
Like all that stuff.
Yeah.
It is very like thatconversation that they have
where they're like, SarahMichelle Geller's crying.

(43:00):
So compelling Oh, so compelling.
It does feel like there's,there's an emotional charge to
it.
There is definitely.
And it may not be the most queercoding, but I do think it shows
like a, a, a deep, like, likerelationship.
Yeah.
Like it's, it's, there'semotions tied to it.
Yeah.
And they go on this adventuretogether to Anne Hess.
Mm-hmm.
Who, who is lesbian.

(43:20):
Yeah.
So there's also that, And Iwill, I I always get so
uncomfortable when people dothis in movies.
It's probably'cause I will neverdo this.
Well, actually I can't saynever.
I, I might Right.
But I'm always just like, mama,you are pretending to be
somebody else.
And you go into somebody else'shome.
Oh yeah.
And invading their privacy.
You're lying about your carbreaking down when it's

(43:41):
literally parked in thedriveway.
They, what the fuck are youdoing?
They are liars.
They are, they could have justbeen honest right away.
I'll just be like, oh, we thinkwe killed your brother.
Yeah.
Like, so sorry.
Wait, we, you have not credits.
So yeah, they pretend to, theyassume aliases.
They're Jody and Angela.

(44:03):
I just wanna know like what inthe nineties, Jodi and Angela,
Jodi and Angela.
I don't know like the, if thoseare like common names from back
then, I mean Angela I could see,but Jodi, Yes.
Jody.
Who's Jody and who's Angela?
Lemme ask.
Okay.
Jody is Julie.
Oh, nope.

(44:26):
Helen.
Helen was Jody Joe.
Oh, and then, yeah.
Yes, yes, yes.
How interesting.
Yeah.
Well, it's because, uh, fuckingJulie starts at first and she's
like, Jodi, can you call aaa dada da?
And she's just like, sure thing,Angela.
It's funny, but this whole sceneis like, there's so many red

(44:48):
herrings in this fishing town.
There are.
'cause like, we see s slickershung up and like, they're trying
to make Jodi look like Jo Jodi.
Jodi and h they're trying tomake M Hayes, Missy, Missy,
Missy.
They're trying to make her looksuss.
this whole thing, it kind of,what drives me crazy a little
bit about this is, um, and yousee this a lot in, in horror.

(45:12):
Not so much nowadays where theimpoverished are often times
vilified.
Mm-hmm.
And the aesthetic of poverty iswhat horror movies use as an
indicator of this person isevil.
Yeah.
You know, whether it be fromdesperation or whatever the case
may be.
And I'm not with that.
No.
You know, uh, she, this is justa woman who's trying to live her

(45:32):
life.
Yeah.
Her brother died, her mother'sin assisted living.
She's living by herself tryingto make this shit work.
Yeah.
Killing and plucking animals allby herself.
Yeah.
But the thing is, is that that'show you kill a chicken.
Yeah.
She's not doing anythingdifferent.
Yeah.
It's just like, ugh.
It's just, it's annoying.
Yeah.
So they're, they're like tryingto build like, oh, is Missy the
one, if she's the weirdo, she'sthe one.
Does Missy's different?

(45:52):
Does Missy know what she didlast summer?
they find out that somebodynamed Billy Blue came to visit
her.
Yes.
That's such a stupid plot point.
I don't even know if I wannacover it, but they're just like,
oh, who's Billy Blue?
So they think Billy Blue is thekiller, possibly.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Yes.
And they leave and surprise,surprise their car's working
again.
And hand has sees that it's sostupid.

(46:12):
Why would you say that your caris broken down when you're
literally parked in front of thehouse?
Mm-hmm.
Mama come up with a better lie.
Come on, Jody.
Come on, Jody.
Get your shit together.
Jody.
On Jodi.
Oh, and here's another thing,and she's not wrong.
So we talked about theconversation with Sarah Michelle
Geller and, and, Jennifer LoveHewitt in the car.
Yes.
Yes.
Which is like, I miss you.
It's a very compelling scene.

(46:33):
We don't talk.
Yeah, we don't talk anymore.
Uh, inside note, Julia is coldas fuck here.
Yeah, it pisses me off.
She's so cold.
But, um, Sarah Michelle Gellersays, and it sounds wrong, but
it's true, she's like, maybe hewanted to die.
Oh, because everybody Yeah, shedoes say that.
Yeah.
Because everybody, like, he'shis, he killed his fiance and
think, why was he out thereanyways, he, it's like an, an

(46:54):
abandoned highway himself.
Yeah.
And in the opening credits, hewas like dangling his legs.
That's right.
He was just hanging out on theclifftop.
It was a little pendant.
So it's like, I think it's alegitimate question, and it may
be insensitive, but it's true.
It's true.
Like, what if he did wanna die?
That's a deep question.
Yeah.
Hard hitting journalism.
Uh, anyway, so Julius cold asfuck, i'm gonna say it over and
over again.

(47:14):
Helen Shivers is the final girlwe should have had in this
movie.
She should have been.
So she goes home, she's drinkingher diet Coke with a very absent
father.
Yeah.
Her father's like watching whatsports are.
Yeah.
None of them.
None of them notice that.
Just a grown ass man and aslicker just walks through,
walks it the front door, walksthrough the front door and just
goes right upstairs.

(47:35):
And she's just enjoying herlittle diet.
Coke.
Comb her hair.
Comb her hair too.
And El walks in like, oh, youand your hair.
That and that right there.
I'm, I'm just like, ah,foreshadowing.
But also could, it could havethat been a moment where the,
the director was trying to showthat maybe it's Elsa's the
killer.

(47:55):
'cause she walks in unnoticed.
I never thought of Elsa.
And then talks about the hair.
Okay.
That's true.
I'm a smart one.
Look at you.
I never would've thought aboutthat.
You're welcome.
Look at that.
I'm still wrong though.
She's not the killer.
She's not, she's not Elsa.
Poor Elsa.
Oh, I did feel bad for Elsa whenI was younger.
I felt bad for Elsa.

(48:16):
I, I still kind of feel bad forher.
I get it.
Yeah.
Like she deserved to die.
No, she's just a bitch.
Being a bitch.
She's a bitch.
Being a bitch does not a deserveto die.
Make no.
If that's a sentence.
Yeah.
So you and your hair, and shegoes to sleep.
Sanel, Geller goes to sleep.
And then what happens next?
Oh, tell us, tell the childrenfeed.

(48:37):
She wakes up the next morning.
Mm-hmm.
She's like, Ugh, ugh, ugh.
She finds out that her hair hasbeen cut.
She goes to her vanity mirror.
Ah, smash, smash.
Smash.
Yeah.
She freaks the fuck out, out andsmashes the mirror.
And so she ends up calling, shecalls the girls, she gathers the

(48:58):
girls, send the girls., You haveto love a friend group that only
comes together when tragedystrikes.
You know, I love a friend group.
I need a group of friends thatare only gonna come through when
like I'm going through it.
I wanna be that bitch that whenI call somebody, they're like,
what now?
Actually, straight to voicemailnow actually, this could have
been a text.
Don't call me.
Yes.
Well, what's one of the thingsthat I love though is like when

(49:20):
we see her in person, she'swearing this fuck ass hat.
Oh, the cap?
Yeah.
Like the, the village people cophat or something.
She looks so funny.
And then this is where, this iswhere Julie gets craps.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, cause wehear that little Yeah.
She's, she's driving to, toHelen's h House.
Mm-hmm.
And there's like mm-hmm.
Little tops in the trunk.
And she goes to check.

(49:40):
I like, what is that?
And then it's fucking max.
The, the, the, the fisher guy.
The guy, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's just chilling.
Dead in the trunk with a bunchof crabs.
Crabs wearing Barry's jacket.
Yes.
That's a good, I forgot aboutthat.
Yes.
Wearing Barry's jacket.
And so Julie goes to run andgrab Helen and Barry, and in
record time, the killer fuckingmanages to get this body out of

(50:01):
the trunk and make it superduper clean.
Super duper clean.
Squeaky clean.
But this is my question though,because of that.
Was it actually just Julie'slike craziness?
No, I think he just had thetarp.
You, oh, I thought about this.
I, I just think it was a tarp.
I think he had the tarp in thetrunk.
Oh.
And then he put the body in, thecrabs in there.

(50:22):
There, I just scooped it all up.
Hmm.
Easy cleanup.
Hmm.
Yeah, that's my thought.
But anyway, the body's gone.
Yeah.
And so Barry believes her.
This is when we get our iconicWhat are you waiting for?
Yeah.
Titties bouncing just in themiddle of the street.
Street.
Whatcha waiting for?
Huh?
Yes, I'm right here.
It's very cheesy, but it's sogood for this movie.

(50:45):
It's like, it's the iconicscene.
It is.
Everyone knows it's be seen.
Everybody knows this.
Everyone knows the mostreferenced, the most parody,
like everyone knows it.
Then after this Ray comes in andRay's just like, guys, guys,
he's after me too.
He's after me too.
I got a note and they're justlike, you got a note, you got a
note?
I get hit with a car.
Helen gets her hair chopped off,off.

(51:05):
Julie gets a body in the trunkand you get a note.
Motherfucker.
Do you think the fishermen wastrying to set Ray up to be Oh
yeah.
Definitely.
They want, they wanted the, thefishermen wanted the, the, the
girls to turn on each other.
Of course.
Well, yeah, because then they,he would, he would not be, they
wouldn't be on his, on histrail.
Yeah.
Well, also I just think, again,to go back to that whole my

(51:28):
thesis on, you know, povertybeing used as a means to justify
people being evil.
Mm.
The fisherman, funnily enough,picks the poor friend out of the
group to be the target.
To have nothing.
To be the one, yeah.
Yeah.
So it's like if he's reallytrying to make him to be the red
hering mm-hmm.
Because all these, these threeare well off, and then he's the
other.
So, yeah.
But I don't know, does thefishermen know that much about

(51:49):
these kids?
Do you think he did researchbefore he came then?
I mean, he had a whole summer.
He had a whole year.
Whole year.
he had a whole fall, winter, andspring.
Uh, that's like 10 months.
So yeah, he probably did hisresearch, but he, he went to the
library.
He went to the library.
He got the slides.
He did his studies.
Yeah.
But they all think it's Ray.

(52:10):
They do.
I'm pretty sure Julie runs awayfrom this conversation again.
Oh, Barry immediately punchesRay.
That's right.
I forgot about that.
Barry walks into conversationswith his fists.
Everybody he needs punch first.
Ask question second.
Yeah.
I'm glad that Sarah, MichelleGeller got out of that
relationship.
Yeah.
I can't imagine where it couldhave gone.

(52:32):
I mean, she would've turned intoBuffy and was like, no more.
Yeah.
Beat the shit outta, I thinklike watching the whole, the
whole movie.
I was just waiting for SarahMichelle Geller to turn into
Buffy.
part of my brain just like couldnot accept her being a victim.
Same thing with Scream two.
I just immediately, I'm justlike, she's too badass Yeah.
It's hard to watch SarahMichelle Geller die in a movie

(52:53):
because I just don't believe it.
No, she's too, I don't too muchof a strong character.
She's too capable.
She's too, yeah.
Like even when she was inScooby-Doo, she was doing like
kung fu and shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She was.
Yeah.
Ugh.
I love her.
Anyway, they think it's Ray.
Yeah.
Ray's like, I got a note,whatever.
He gets punched.
Yeah.
Julie decides to go back up toMissy's because she thinks that

(53:13):
it's Billy Blue that's doing thekilling.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, meanwhile.
It's the Fisherman's SpecialDay.
Oh, it's the 4th of Julyeverybody.
It's his special day.
Time to kill some teenagers.
Ooh, yes.
That's literally what I wrote inall casts is his special day.
He's been, that's he's beenwaiting all year for this.

(53:35):
He has been, he has been.
He's been a good boy.
And so what the plan is, Julie'sgonna go to Missy again to find
out more about whatever, andthen Helen Shivers, Sarah
Michelle Geller, she has to bein the parade.
It's her duty, it's her duty'sher duty.
She, even if she has to work,Yeah.
She, she has to be there.

(53:55):
She has to be on the float.
She has to be on stage the wholetime during the talent show.
And her fuck ass ex-boyfriend isjust camping out on the front of
the float as it's driving down.
Yeah.
He's like the watch out.
Yeah.
And they're all looking for thisfisherman.
But guess what, it's a fishingtown.
Everybody's fucking wearing aslicker.
Mm.
Every single person.
Not every single person, but somany people are wearing s

(54:17):
slickers.
Yeah.
It's like the uniform, like inthat town.
It's almost like they weretrying to do the thing that they
did and scream with the boots.
You know how everyone had thoseboots that the killers wore?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
They could do that.
You know, where they're justlike, Ooh, misdirection.
Ooh, who could it be?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, but they, instead of boots,it's a whole ass ensemble.
Slicker in a hat.
Everybody gets their slickerfrom the same store.
It's probably from thedepartment store, shivers.

(54:40):
That might be it actually.
I think.
I think so.
You need to see.
They should have looked at thereceipts.
Who bought the slicker?
I mean, that's like half of thetown.
And if he was a fisherman beforeall this went down, he probably
got a long time ago.
Yeah.
Good try though.
Dammit.
That was a good try.
I really tried to be a detectivehere.
Thank you Nancy.
Drew.
It's all good.
So Julie is at Missy's and theyma try to make it look more

(55:02):
dangerous than it was beforewith like some, because like it
was like a cleaver or something.
Animals, like dead animals andstuff.
She's providing for herself.
Of course she's gonna have likea fucking Turkey hanging there.
Yeah.
Why not?
but I can't remember what thepoint of this scene is though.
Oh, this is where, okay, here'swhat happens.
Anne Hedge says that Davidkilled himself.
Yes.

(55:22):
Yes.
Because that's what she believesbecause he left a note.
He left a note.
A note because I got a note.
It's a note in that same fuckass penmanship.
It's actually a lovelypenmanship.
It's beautiful.
Penman.
The fisherman has greatpenmanship.
I'm not gonna lie.
It's, it's very easy to read,very crisp, very satisfying.
I mean, he's been practicing allyear.
He's been practicing all year,it's just like, I'll never

(55:44):
forget last summer.
Mm.
Or something like that.
Yeah.
And then Julie's just like, oh,this isn't a suicide note.
This is a threat.
And so Julie pieces togetherthat David Egan was killed and
they probably killed the killerof David Egan.
See?
Exactly.
You lost, you lost me.
Exactly.
David, I remember when watchingthis scene, I'm like, I'm, I
don't need a buffy's not here.

(56:04):
It's just not, it's killer's nothere.
I don't pay attention to this.
It's not written in a way that'sdigestible.
But here's, okay.
Here's what it is.
David Egan's, the, themotherfucker that was sitting on
the cliff at the very, verybeginning, right.
Flicking his little thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
His little, yeah.
He killed his fiance a yearprior.
Yes.
They think he killed himselfbecause of that.
Yes.
But Julie doesn't think that hekilled himself because his

(56:26):
suicide note, quote unquote, wasthe same handwriting of the
notes that she's been getting.
So she's like, oh, the personthat's, going after us Yeah,
yeah.
Killed David Egan.
And that's probably the personthat we hit.
Maybe.
Maybe.
So that's where we're at.
Okay.
It's okay.
We're about to get to the bestpart of this movie, because
we're getting to pageant prep.
Yeah, baby.

(56:50):
Yes.
Uh, we're at the Roker QueenPageant, the Roker Queen
pageant.
Why is she called the RokerQueen?
That's why I, that's what I wastrying to figure out because if
anybody is listening from asmall fishing town, is a croker
anything beyond like a frog?
Because I hear Croker Queen andI'm like, she's a frog.
I river rivet.
I didn't even think about it.
She's sitting on stage.

(57:10):
Betty Croker.
Uh, Betty Roker.
Petty Roker.
Betty Cro.
Little petty Croker.
Ooh, petty Roker.
I don't know why I'm really intothis today.
Wait, the ladies and gentlemenwent from the stage, Croker.
Oh goodness.
I'm really feeling a shimmytoday.
I don't know what it is.
Just, oh, maybe it's'cause mychest hair is out.

(57:32):
It's like, yes.
Carpet burn, baby.
Oh.
Anyway, it's the fisherman'sSpecial Day.
It's also the pageant.
Yes.
Everything's happening all atonce.
It's a perfect storm.
There is a really cooltransition.
It's so high school, but I loveit.
You see the action of themprepping for the pageant and
there's the backdrop.
Mm-hmm.
And then the lighting changesand we can see Barry and Helen
behind the backdrop.

(57:53):
Oh yeah.
Do that.
That's a really cool thing.
I love shit like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They did do that.
I do think that that specificshot is a bit too stylized for
this grounded ass movie.
Yeah.
Because that's something that Iwould expect from like Wes
Anderson or like an auteur, youknow?
Mm-hmm.
But it's cool.
I, yeah.
Give it a moment.
I like it.
Give it a moment.
Yeah.
Uh, he's comforting her, she'sscared.
Whatever, whatever's.
He's watching from the balconywhile she has to sit through a

(58:15):
painful talent show with that,that woman singing fame, I wanna
live, it's the, is that whatshe's singing?
Yeah, baby, look at me.
This is, and tell me what yousee.
I have to give them props.
The filmmakers for theircommitment to authenticity for
small town stuff.

(58:36):
Because this is exactly, this iswhat you would see at the talent
show.
Yes.
And this is, this is exactly thekind of performance where
everyone's like, you are sotalented, you need to go to New
York and be on Broadway.
But like the zoom in of Helen'sface during this, she made that
face out loud on stage.
She made that face out loud onstage.
But maybe that's the commonalitybetween Helen and Elsa.

(58:58):
Oh yeah, the bitchiness.
The bitchiness, yeah.
Because Helen's just like, ohGod, so good.
Oh God.
But while this is happening, wesee Barry up on the, the
balcony.
Oh, yeah.
By himself.
I guess nobody wants balconyseats in this show, the
fisherman comes up.
Yep.
Oh, yep.
And Sarah Michelle Geller freaksthe fuck out, like screaming.

(59:22):
She like, throws herself intothe audience.
Screams.
Oh my God.
Yeah, but okay.
She's screaming.
She's like, somebody help him.
Everybody help him.
Something's happening.
Something's happening.
Nobody bothers to look at whereshe's screaming.
They're just grabbing her andputting her back on stage.
No, they're just like, you getback up there, you piece of eye
candy.
Nobody until after everythinghas settled.

(59:45):
One guy turns around and by thatpoint the damage is already
done.
Yeah.
Barry dies dead, by the way.
Barry's dead.
Yeah.
He gets hacked to death, rest inpeace.
Ryan Philippy.
But yeah, isn't that fucked up?
Like she's screaming for helpand they're all just like, now I
never stop it.
I never, I never noticed whyIt's a whole mob thing.
Not a single person helps her.
They all like pull, they pushher back.

(01:00:08):
They're just like, stop making ascene.
Little Missy can't you?
We're listening to somebody singfame right now.
I know how that feels.
Really.
People always push me into thespotlight all the time and I'm
like, I have problems guys.
I will not be on that stage allthe time.
I will not be on that stage.
Sometimes I need to mourn thedeath of my ex-boyfriend.
Exactly.
He's dead.
Yes, he's dead.

(01:00:29):
I didn't do it.
No, no I didn't do it.
No, no, no.
Sure.
Photosynthesize that.
Anyway.
Alright.
Barry gets it, he gets slashed.
They go up to investigate thescene, but nothing's there.
But little did they know thereis a drop of blood in the

(01:00:49):
floorboard.
Yep.
Just dripping on down.
Just dripping on down.
And they missed it though.
The world's most competent cops.
Oh, and after she freaks out,someone comes up to her and
they're just like, we're gonnaneed that.
And they take the crown awayfrom her.
It's so fucked up.
the police are questioning herand stuff.
And she's like, no, I saw it.
I saw it., But then they liketake her, but they put her like

(01:01:12):
in the backseat, like she's thecriminal.
Yeah.
Did you notice that?
Yeah.
It's weird.
Like that's a little weird.
It's weird.
And this like, first half isintercut with Julie doing her
hot girl research.
Oh yeah.
In the library again.
Ooh.
Hot girl.
Research in the library.
She finds out that, the fiancethat was killed in the drunken
car accident two years ago, herdad was a fisherman.
Oh, mm-hmm.

(01:01:32):
Named Billy Blue, right?
No, no.
Billy Blue is, the name of Ray'sboat.
Got it, got it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes.
The father's name is, BenWillis.
There's so many names.
Yeah, so Julie does her hot girlresearch.
She realizes that, Susie'sfather was a fisherman, and
she's like, maybe that's who'strying to kill us right now.
Hmm hmm.

(01:01:53):
And then we get into one of thebest chase scenes in horror
cinematic history.
This chasing is a movie initself, and this chasing is the
best part of the movie.
It's the best part.
Yes.
And I see you scratching at thegate.
So I'm gonna let you kick us offbecause I know, oh wait, I, I

(01:02:14):
might miss some things, but it'sokay.
I'm here.
I got, got you.
You got me.
You already clocked it.
She's in the back of the fuckingcop car, like a criminal.
She's in the back Like acriminal.
And then they're driving, Ithink they're driving her to
like the station or something towrite a report.
She's like, no one's listeningto me.
Whatever.
And he makes some, comment abouther hair, like she doesn't Oh,
he does?
Yeah.

(01:02:34):
And I'm just like.
Yeah.
It's a fuck ass Bob, but shelooks great in it.
Why?
Yeah.
Come on.
Ew.
It's like everybody knows thatHelen was about her hair, I
guess, and they're all readingher for it, I guess.
This fucking bitch ass cop.
Ew.
Yeah.
Anyways, there seems to be onepart of the road that has been,
sanctioned off that thepoliceman does not know about.
So he is like, oh, that's funny.
Let me get out this cop car andmove it.

(01:02:56):
So he goes out and who is there?
But the fishermen, Ooh,fishermen fucking hooks him.
Helen's like, fuck this.
She kicks the, the, the windowglass shatters everywhere.
She climbs out of it and shestarts running and the only
place she could run is thedepartment store, her father's
department store.
And who happens to be there?

(01:03:16):
Elsa.
Elsa, yes.
And Elsa's like, oh, that'sawesome.
Taking her sweet ass time.
Sweet ass time.
But you know what?
You know who else is taking hersweet ass time as the fucking
fisherman.
Oh, he is walking so slow andshe's booking it.
She has so much head room here.
He is just like moseying on downto the department store.
The confidence of this man tojust be like, I'll catch her.

(01:03:39):
Yeah, I'll get her, I'll getthere.
I'll get her.
Yeah.
So she's panicking.
She's slamming glass.
Elsa's like, oh, whatever.
She goes towards the door andthen walks back to get the keys.
I love get to get the keys, butHelen's, my peers says, Helen
goes, whatcha doing?
Yeah, whatcha doing?
Yeah, exactly.
And what's more, Elsa doesn'tsee when she finally lets Helen

(01:04:02):
in at that point, the fishermanis like walking across the
parking lot.
She should have made it by now.
I think he should have made itby then.
He should have made it by then.
And El also doesn't see him.
Right.
There's some loopholes.
Yeah, I think so.
But we, we've accept, we'reaccepting it.
Maybe there's just some thingshaters can't see.
Maybe not, maybe, maybe not.
But she ends up locking thefront door and then she goes to

(01:04:23):
lock the back one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because Helen, Helen mm-hmm.
Is the smart one now.
Yeah.
And she's like, go to the backdoor, go go to the back door.
You gotta lock in.
I's like, all right, all right.
Calm down girl.
Mm-hmm.
So Helen is like in the front,,I also goes to the back, locks
the door, but then just feels apresence.
She's like, something's offhere.
And she turns around and who isalready inside the fishermen.

(01:04:47):
And then we get the beautifulframe she screams and she turns
her head to the side.
Yep.
And we see as he swings thehook, just blood goes across the
glass.
It's pretty cool actually.
It's very poetic.
So, Helen is trying to call thepolice.
Yes.
Yes.
And she, he, that, that's, shehears like stone cold silence.
Mm-hmm.
She goes, Elsa, Elsa.
And then you just see Elsa'sbody getting dragged by the

(01:05:10):
hook.
Yeah.
On the floor.
Yeah.
Helen doesn't see that.
We get to see that.
We see.
Yeah.
That's our little treat.
It's a treat for the audience.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, the storytelling is goodhere.
It, it is like, it's like weirdare knowing something that the,
the, the main character does notknow.
Yeah.
Which she suspects.
'cause she heard the screen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then like the power gets cutout.
Yes.
It's dark.
Mm-hmm.
It's dark.

(01:05:31):
And this is one of my favoritethings.
I, I love this shit in horrormovies.
So this department store,there's mannequins, there's
tarps, and Helen turns aroundand just, it's just a bunch of
silhouettes, right.
Just all tarped, all the sameheight.
And one of them is, afisherman's hat and a slicker.
And I just love the thought.

(01:05:51):
Of this fisherman killing Elsa,throwing her body next to the
toilet.
In the bathroom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Running into the, running ontothe display floor.
And he's like, t he, he throws atarp over himself and he is like
waiting, just waiting for her tocome into the room.
That images, I take him out thatdetail.
I think about that all the time.

(01:06:12):
I talked about this in mychild's play, two episode,'cause
Chucky does a similar thingwhere he's hiding under a
bedsheet.
Ah, anytime that happens in ahorror movie, I giggle at the
thought of the killer settingthat up, just like tiptoeing
into the room and putting alittle something over them and
just like waiting, waiting forthat moment.
Like it's so fucking funny tome.
I never thought about it likethat.

(01:06:34):
Yeah.
But there, there is apreparation to it.
There is.
He's like, oh, perfect.
And you know what?
This is perfect.
That in itself is queer becausethat is what extra It is.
Extra.
Extra.
You would do that?
I would do.
Oh my God, I love to do that.
Yeah.
Would you put yourself in like alittle potted plant?
Oh, photosynthesize.
That photos photosynthesizethis.
wild.

(01:06:54):
With my hands.
Yes, with your hands.
That's right.
'cause you don't have asignature weapon.
No, my, this, this is theweapon.
Yeah.
His hands want to feel it.
I want to feel it.
These are the hands of a killer,Bella.
The that's a very intimate wayto kill somebody.
I have to give you props onthat.
Thank you.
That you have to really wantthem to, I want, I want to kill
them.
Yes.
Love.
And the fisherman wants to killHelen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he will put on a beautiful,a beautiful tarp.

(01:07:17):
A beautiful tarp, and he jumpson out and tackles it.
Tackles that bitch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just like that.
Yeah.
It's quite good actually.
It's good.
It, it, it like the, the, thechasing really builds'cause it
gives you like, drops moments ofhope.
Yeah.
And it plays with you a littlebit.
There's so many beats as well.
Different changes of scenery.
Mm-hmm.
It's so fucking good.
I don't even know.
It's gotta be like maybe five,10 minutes long.

(01:07:37):
It's a long one.
Yeah.
It's a long one.
So she gets tackled.
She gets tackled and then sheruns to the fucking, the pulley
system.
Yeah.
The elevator are whatever.
There's, I don't know.
Talk about it.
Talk about this.
This is one of my horror movie,icks.
I hate stuff where people's feetare exposed to sharp objects.
Like,'cause she lost, she losesher shoes.
She, yeah, she's barefoot andshe's pulling up the, uh oh.

(01:08:01):
'cause she had already, shefound her sister's dead body at
this point.
Yes.
Just in the toilet.
Yeah.
She sees her body just soelegantly draped over the
toilet.
Was that you this morning afterthat?
That was, that was me and hervomiting.
It's me when I'm hungover.
Yeah.
So at this point she knows hersister's dead and she's
barefoot, and as she's pullingher way up, um, she, he the Oh
yeah, the fisherman's, likeswinging the hooks at her feet.

(01:08:23):
That's one of my big things.
I, it, Ooh, it gives me the iesbecause it's like if the
Achilles like tendon gets likeexactly like in pet cemetery or
peel be Yes, yes.
Exactly.
Like that kind of shit.
Like that makes my skin crawl soeffective, so fucking effective.
But she makes her way up and thefisherman's just like, I'll just
take this down then.
And he just, again, theconfidence, he just mosey on up

(01:08:45):
the stairs.
Mm-hmm.
Moseys on up and she's like,yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
She makes it up.
And then there's nowhere to go.
But down.
Down through where?
Down outta where?
Down out the window.
Out the fucking window.
Yeah.
She, yeah.
She jumps out of the window.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and it's just like a bunchof rubble.
Yeah.
Which has to hurt.
Oh, with broken glass Withoutyour shoes.

(01:09:06):
This is a narrow, like anarrowly missing thing too.
'cause the fishermen swung hishook as she jumps.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
That's another shot that theyliked putting in the trailer.
Yes.
Woo.
Yes.
So good.
So she lands in some trash andshe's in the alley now and she's
running and oh my God.
There's hope.
There's the parade right there,right there with the fireworks
and the, the drummers.

(01:09:27):
Mm-hmm.
People.
Yes.
The people.
The people are there.
That's what makes the townsalvation.
That's what makes this town thisspecial.
People of this town, But whatdid the people do in this
situation?
Nothing.
Nothing, nothing.
This is, I think this is thenumber one thing that people say
'cause it is, everyone is somad.
This is like number one dumbbitch decision in horror movies.

(01:09:50):
Oh.
Helen is literally five feet soclose away from salvation.
So close, and she stops runningto turn around, turns around,
and then when she turns backaround, the fisherman is there,
boom.
Right into the tires.
Mm-hmm.
He, and there's the overheadshot is so great because it

(01:10:10):
shows us how close she is tobeing safe.
Oh yeah.
He throws her in between thesestacks of tires.
Mm-hmm.
And just starts hacking away ather.
And by like the overhead shot,it's like the tires are like
right by the parade.
Right by the parade.
Right by the parade.
People are literally rightthere.
Nobody can hear her scream'causeof the music and the fireworks.
It's very tragic, but oh, oh,here's the queer intersection.

(01:10:32):
Is it that when we are introuble, when we need help
mm-hmm.
Society does not help us.
Mm-hmm.
Ed keeps walking.
Honestly, that's, that's verypoignant for right now.
Very poignant for right now.
Yeah.
I never would've thought aboutit that way, but That's true.
It's just like you are the,someone that you've glam glammed
up.
Mm-hmm.
Fucking a fighting force in thisworld using her creativity

(01:10:55):
mm-hmm.
To save this country and thenthe moment she needs help.
Where are you, where, where areyou making fun of her hair.
Putting her in a police car.
That's fair.
Yeah.
That's honestly, I never thoughtabout that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like being in the alleyway ofsociety, being othered.
Yeah.
And you're like, you know what?
I, I, I, let me just, let me bepart of you again.

(01:11:17):
Yeah.
Let me just like join the paradeagain.
Mm-hmm.
Nope, Nope.
You were not allowed to dead.
Yeah.
This is, oh, and now this iswhere it's your turn to wear
the, it's a little broken.
I'm gonna need that crown.
It's so tiny.
Oh, that's so cute.
Oh, that's so cute on me.
Everybody.
I get, so I was wearing a tiara'cause I was the croker queen.

(01:11:37):
I am dressed as, as HelenShivers.
But now that Helen Shivers hasdied, I promised Richard that I
would let him wear my tiara forthe rest of the episode.
Yay.
And it looks really good on, Aw,thank you.
Yeah.
Y'all need to watch this.
And you're right After thispoint, it's very difficult to,
Care about the rest of themovie.
Yeah, because the best characteris now gone.
I mean, might as well be the UNnow.

(01:11:58):
Yeah.
Real credits.
Like I said, this cha scene initself is a wonderful, like
miniature movie, but, Helendies, and then we're in our
final act.
It's all fishing boats and hoesand like.
Julie, sees that Ray's boat isnamed Billy Blue, so she thinks
he's the killer even though she,but you're Billy Blue.
You're Billy Blue.
Even though she realized that itwas probably the other girl's

(01:12:21):
fisherman, dad or whatever.
And then some guy jumps in andwho have never met, who we've
never met.
Knocks Ray out, invites Julianon his boat and then he reveals
himself to be the killer becausehe's like been collecting
pictures and stuff.
Yeah.
This wall.
Yeah.
She finds like his whole altarof revenge.
Yeah.
'cause he's been like followingHelen because remember the

(01:12:41):
picture of like Helen and stuff,right?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
You know, I will say, I waswondering how are they gonna do
a third act like chasing sceneon a, on a fishing boat after
that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And on a fishing boat,nonetheless, there's nowhere to
go.
They actually do kind of a, agood job like showing the
different inner compartments.
Julie's going all up, down andaround.
She ends up in the ice room andfinds the bodies of her dead

(01:13:02):
friends.
Oh yeah.
Which was a nice touch.
I know seeing Sarah MichelleGeller's body slide down that
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of what was clearly plastic.
They should have made it like towhere you could see her breath.
I would've bought it more.
Oh, that would've been a gooddetail.
Yeah.
all that to be said, they findout.
Yes.
This is Ben Willis.
He's the father of the daughterwho died two years ago and
killed her boyfriend a year agoand then almost died killing her

(01:13:24):
boyfriend.
You lost me.
Yeah.
It's a whole thing.
He just, all he says is, nexttime you, leave some, make sure
they're dead.
Make sure they're actually deador whatever.
I don't know.
Our hero Ray finds his way ontothe boat.
They end up like cutting off thefisherman's hand.
'cause he gets stuck in a rope.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he drops into the water.
And that's kind of, that's it.
That's it.
Yeah.
You have your obligatory post,killer.

(01:13:45):
Mm.
Police thing where, so like, uh,you kids know what happened
around here?
Yeah.
His body will show up at somepoint.
No body yet, but it'll show up.
They always do.
And then cut to one year latercollege, right, this college,
Julie has wonderful hair again.
So, you know, she's healed.
She's healed, she's back.
Uh, yeah.
But it's like this whole, it'slike a fake out jump, scare

(01:14:07):
ending, you know?
Oh yeah.
He's where we're led to leave.
Like, oh, he's back.
The body was never found.
And like he's in the shower,it's the jump scare ending.
He jumps through the glass andshe screams and that's it.
It's whatever.
But that's, I know what you didlast summer.
That is.
It is a very queer movie nowthat I'm like, now that we've
talked about it mm-hmm.
We've talked it out.
I do see that.
Yeah.
I have more.

(01:14:27):
I have a lot more.
Oh my God.
Yeah..
I can't wait.
for me, anytime there is a, acritique of hyper masculinity
and toxic masculinity, Iautomatically read that as
queer.
So with Barry, where there'sthis showcase of how.
Much, he leans into hisaggression and masculinity.

(01:14:48):
Mm-hmm.
And at the end of the day, thatis usurped.
That is, it doesn't serve himanything.
Yeah.
It's actually detrimental, Ithink, shining that, shining a
mirror on that reality.
Mm.
Where spoiler alert for life,everybody.
Toxic masculinity is not theanswer.
Mm-hmm.
Hyper-masculinity is quitepoisonous to society.
It doesn't solve any problems.

(01:15:08):
Yeah.
So I always read a little bit ofa, a queer intention whenever
that it's showcased like that,like the way it is in this
movie.
He's also like the homeeroticism of it.
He's shirtless, he's alwayssweaty.
Yeah.
The shower scene we touched onthat.
Little towel.
Little towel.
Very little towel.
Very little towel.
Mm-hmm.
we kind of already talked onthis too, just to, just to point

(01:15:30):
a finger directly at it.
We talked a lot about thepageantry of it all.
Yes.
About the gender performance of,of Sarah Michelle Geller's
character and as soon as shestarts to be overcome by this
guilt and this grief, that allstarts to fall away.
That starts to fall apart.
Mm-hmm.
And then once it does, once herhair is cut off and her, her,
her man is killed.

(01:15:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Then she herself is killed.
Mm-hmm.
Society isn't able to help her.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
There's also, this is a smallthing.
We touched on this, the culturalcontext of it all.
The, just like the time thatthis movie was made, Sarah
Michelle Geller.
Buffy.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, it's just like so manyqueer icons in one movie.
Yeah.
It's just like innately, thecultural context makes this a
queer movie.
Yeah.

(01:16:11):
But the real thing is like, thebig thing, and I remember I
brought this up to you when wefirst, first when we talked over
coffee, Uhhuh, this whole moviecan be seen as an allegory for
uh, guilt and shame around asecret.
Well, no, that's what the movieis about.
But that is an experience thatis very true to queer people.

(01:16:32):
Mm.
Because we keep it, we we'rekeeping a secret.
Yeah.
Imagine, imagine, right?
they kill somebody.
Uhhuh.
Right.
If you replace that with sex,with queer sex, you had shameful
queer sex.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then.
However long later, someoneleaves you a cryptic note.
I know what you did.

(01:16:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know what you are.
Imagine as a queer person, thefeelings that will be coursing
through your body.
Yeah.
So it's just that, that thatexperience of feeling like you
have to hide something that youdid and someone's usually your
sexuality against you.
Exactly.
And just how it feels sothreatening and it, it honestly,
depending on your circumstances,it can feel life or death.

(01:17:15):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, if somebody is,especially if someone's in the
closet.
Exactly.
That's exact, that's exactlywhat I'm talking about.
Oh, being closeted, having aqueer experience and then
somebody saying, I know, oh myGod, I know about that and I'm
going to hang it over your, I'mgonna torment you.
You don't know who I am, but Iknow who you are and I know what

(01:17:35):
you did.
That is such a, that is a queerfear, if I've ever heard one.
Oh, I never even thought aboutthat.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
That's like a big, like for me,that's one of the biggest
takeaways.
Is like, is the the ex being exbeing exposed when you are not
ready to expose your Exactly.
Wow.
For an act that you did that hassince changed your life and your

(01:17:58):
relationships with the peoplethat were also a part of it,
your friends who were used to beso close Yeah.
You all went through thisexperience together.
It has changed you both.
It's changed you all.
Fundamentally, the dynamics areso different between you all.
And not only are you grapplingwith that, grieving all of that,
but you also now have thisparanoia and this, this guilt
and this shame because anoutsider knows about it and you

(01:18:22):
want so desperately to keep it asecret.
Yeah.
Above everything else.
If this secret gets out, yourlife is over.
That's, yeah.
That's so clear.
Holy.
Yeah.
I never thought about that.
Mm-hmm.
Anybody who's spent any amountof time in the closet knows
exactly what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
You know, it's a, it's a very,very queer thing.
It's basically the tr the closetas the the plot device.

(01:18:42):
Yeah.
And how, how it changes you.
You're depressed, you're gone.
Like you're, you can't functionnormally.
No.
Like life.
Life isn't life because you areso consumed with the secret and
that someone's gonna out,someone's gonna out you.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
And then furthermore, thefishermen can be seen as a queer

(01:19:03):
monster, as an embodiment of,of, of homosexuality.
How so?
He's coming after you, you havethis secret uhhuh, and you're
trying so hard to hide it, butthat queerness is a force that
you can't necessarily repress.
No.
And trying to repress it is, it,it, it causes you so much more
pain.
You're relentlessly pursued byit all the time.

(01:19:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That the thought of thatqueerness never goes away.
Wow.
Much like how the, the fishermanis always there.
Mm-hmm.
He's omnipotent.
He's omnipresent.
He's constantly reminding you, Iam here.
Yeah.
And I am a lingeringrepresentation of this shameful
act that you Yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
That's deep.
Mm-hmm.
And it's like, it's one of thosethings where it haunts you once

(01:19:48):
you think that you escaped it aswell.
You know Anybody who has evertried, I tried this, I tried to
convince myself that I wasstraight.
Really?
Yeah.
There was like a small period oftime where I really tried to
convince myself that I wasstraight.
And then it just came back.
It came back and it came backand it came back.
And so that's kind of how I readthe fishermen.
It's just like this embodimentof a queerness that is never

(01:20:09):
going away.
This, this relentless.
Thing.
Yeah.
That you are trying to run awayfrom, that you're trying to
escape.
Forget about trying to convinceother people is not a real
thing, but it's always going tobe there and it's always gonna
be dangerous, and it's alwaysgonna feel threatening until
you're able to confront it.
Yeah.
You know?
So that's my thought.

(01:20:29):
Like, oh my gosh.
How's your brain doing?
My brain is very sensitive rightnow.
Oh God.
Here.
Oh, do you want it back?
You can take the crown.
I'm gonna take my crown back.
Thank you.
I don't just hurt that I earnedit.
I earned it.
You earned the Yes, Helen, youearned that crown.
Um, yeah.
So those are my thoughts.
Like what thoughts do you have?
Do you have like thoughts aboutwhat I've said or about your

(01:20:50):
experience on the film?
I mean, that what you said isvery deep.
Thank you.
And I was like, oh my God, Ilike to go deep.
Everybody.
So fortunately, I didn't have tocome out like a, as.
Uh, I guess it wasn't a thing.
It wasn't a thing.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is, is that Icome from a very queer family
already.
Mm.

(01:21:11):
So I Oh,'cause you had moms,right?
I had moms, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So it was a different story forme.
It was like, oh yeah, I have aboyfriend.
His name is, his name is so andso.
They're like, oh, that's great.
Yeah.
So I, I was, it was fortunateenough for me to, to do that on
the parental side.
Mm-hmm.
But there was a moment whenfriendships changed.
Mm.
Yeah.
So I remember like, oh, around,uh, like 10 years old or

(01:21:34):
something.
Mm-hmm.
Which is when I saw, I know youdid last summer.
I guess a lot of the, the guysthat I used to hang out with,
started to not hang out with meso much.
I didn't understand at the time.
I was like, oh, that's weirdthat, you know, like my friend
David and Alan just like, don'twant to hang out with me
anymore.
Yeah.
I just thought it was like, oh,maybe it's a.
I, I didn't, I didn't read toomuch into it.
Yeah.
But looking back, I think it'sbecause we're all, we were all

(01:21:57):
starting to like, kind ofrealize our sexualities.
Mm.
And I think they realized that Iwas a homo.
Got it.
And that, I don't know what wasfed from their, it it, you know
what I mean?
Like hate is taught.
Yeah.
So probably somewhere downtheir, their lines that someone
told them like, oh,homosexuality is wrong.
Richard is a homosexual.

(01:22:19):
You should not be hanging outwith him.
Mm.
So I started to notice this kindof friend shift.
Yeah.
And I remember like from ages 10to 14, I was very, very lonely.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
I became Julie when she was notbouncy anymore.
Was your hair greasy when shewas not bouncy?
Oh.
Because I used to, I used to bevery, very bouncy.
Okay.
And then there was a certain agewhere I became very, very like

(01:22:41):
inward.
Mm-hmm.
Which is so funny.
It was during this time of thismovie.
Yeah.
Um.
My hair was probably greasy, butI remember specifically I would
wear this green jacket.
Mm-hmm.
And to those who knew, who arewatching, who know me during
this time, you know, the greenjacket that I was wearing, I
would not take off this greenjacket.
Mm-hmm.
I wanted to hide my body.

(01:23:02):
I wanted to hide who I was, anyshape or form.
I didn't want anyone seeing me.
Yeah.
I literally wore the same thingevery day because I did not want
to express myself.
I wanted safety.
Yeah.
I didn't want to show people mycreative side.
I just, even though everyoneknew I was creative Yeah.
Because of course it comes outin other ways.
But I was just so going.
I was like, I don't, I feel justvery weird.

(01:23:25):
And I'd rather just protectmyself.
So I used this jacket to protectmyself.
And it wasn't until high schoolwhen I met other, Other queer
folk.
Other queer folk.
Mm-hmm.
Of course.
In the theater community.
Yeah.
And I went, wait a minute.
Like, hold on.
I don't need to wear, now thatI'm a serious actress, through
my art, I shall serve mycountry.
Country.
thank you for sharing.
I appreciate that.

(01:23:46):
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
I have these many connections toI know what you did last summer.
Isn't it amazing what happenswhen you think, yeah, it's
wonderful.
Wait, that was a read.
Yes, it was.
Bitch.
We'll get there.
We have four more episodes foryou to, well, hold on, huh?
Yeah, we have four moreepisodes.

(01:24:06):
Look, look who can't count.
Listen, I'm not a Mather, okay?
I don't do math.
Math.
What is that?
Mather.
What is math?
Mythology.
Mythology.
Ugh.
And on that note, any finalparting thoughts?
Who's the killer?
Oh yeah.
Who is the killer?
Is that I just know It's the olddude.

(01:24:26):
Oh.
You know, I,'cause I realize,'cause the third act I find is
just so not engaging.
I just, I blasted through thatshit.
The killer is Ben Willis.
Ben Willis, the father of SusieWillis.
Who's Anna Su Su?
No, no, no.
Susie Willis is the fiance ofDavid Eagan.
Got it.
Who is Anne Hess's brother.
Got it.
Susie Willis died two years ago.

(01:24:47):
Mm.
David Eagan was killed by BenWillis one year ago.
Our four hot babes thought theykilled Ben Willis when he was
coming down the mountain fromkilling David Eagan.
And so, yeah.
Got it.
Okay.
Does that make sense?
I feel like do the Explorerright now, just, I'm looking in
the audience like, can you sayconvoluted and on that Richard?

(01:25:13):
Oh yeah.
I think we're ready.
Where can our, where can ourlisteners find you?
You could find me on the gram atLord Fierce TikTok at Plant
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Cutie patties for, I still knowwhat you did last summer with
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Yes.
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We're gonna have a lot of funwith episode.

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So hang in there, cuties.
We're gonna get there soon.
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