14. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer (1998)

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Oh, hey, hey.

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Uh, you know me, I'm crybaby.
The spooky sloppy ette isnightmares.
And we got next to me.
Hi, I'm Richard Brooklyn's.
Favorite plant daddy.
The most favorite plant daddy.
Oh, thank you.
Yes, I do what I can.
Yes.
Welcome back Richard.
I'm so happy to have you here.
Thank you for having me back.
Oh, this is the energy I neededthis morning.
It's been a rough day everybody.
And it's only, I don't have mywatch on, but it's like noon.

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Well, we just had 4th of Julyweekend.
We did.
We had 4th of July weekend.
Pride Weekend before that.
Pride Weekend.
Before that I had so manybirthdays this weekend too.
Oh.
And then I booked a last minutegig tonight.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Congratulations.
I'm very excited.
It'll happen by the time thisgoes out.
But the Gender free Haircut Clubthat's who I'm gonna be doing
this gig with.

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Oh.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yes.
They, uh, offer free genderaffirming haircuts to folks.
So, yeah, that's, oh, what's thesalon?
It's at Fox and Jane.
Oh, cool.
On the lower East side.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's super, super cool.
Yeah.
Very, very cute.
But yes, we're back.
We are covering the sequel inour series, which is, I still

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know what You did last summer.
I still Know Baby.
And this one.
She's cute.
I'm actually, I'm very excitedto talk about this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
the production value hasincreased significantly, of
course, um, since the first one.
But after doing the firstepisode, I was like, okay, I

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kind of get the feels now.
Uhhuh, I'm gonna watch this alittle bit more critically
because I'm a thinker too.
So I wrote notes.
We have notes.
We have notes.
Is that the fucking USConstitution?
So I, I am a firm believer ofjust like reusing things.
Yeah.
So I had like this recycledpaper.
So instead of getting it like anotebook or something, I decided

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to just put it on a piece ofpicture paper.
If you're listening and you'renot watching, this is like a
scroll.
This is what I, this is how Iimagine, like Dumbledore took
his notes back in the day orsomething.
I love that this is, oh, I loveesti.
Me too.
Oh yeah, yeah.
We're gonna get into it.
Um, that's great.
I am, uh, I'm a modernist.

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I printed, I printed my stuffout.
Well, not all of us.
Uh, I have the luxury of aprinter.
Listen, we just have a good oldpenant scribe.
That's so funny.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, the production valuehas totally gone up.
Um, for me, I still know whatyou did last summer is more
embedded in my brain than thefirst one really, because for

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some reason when I was younger,that was the one that I would
always see.
I don't know why.
Ah, it was always, I still know.
So I've seen this movie probablyat least 15 more times than I've
seen the the first one.
I know one.
Yeah.
And we're off.

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Let's do this.
Burp Central.
I forgot how many it was.
I know.
I counted.
I think we're, we're definitelyin double digits.
Weird.
Yeah.
Um, we hit like, I think we hit10 so far.
We did, yeah.
Congratulations to Richard.
Yes, yes.
Congratulations to you.
I wonder, I wonder if we hadlike, time travel back to the
time was there, you know, likehow the Batman and Robin movie

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or the Batman movies always hadlike collectible, like cups or
something?
Oh, I wonder the, if the reasonwhy like that is so clear in
your memory is if there was likea cross promotion during that
time.
I just feel like that's whatpeople did.
In like the, the late nineties.
Well, I feel like crossoverpromotions for horror movies
aren't as marketable.

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It's one thing to do like a, aDC movie or, uh, a superhero, a
family movie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But to do a horror movie becausethe genre we love horror.
We, yeah, yeah, yeah.
To us, horror feels verymainstream because for, that's
all I watch.
Mm-hmm.
I pretty much only watch horror.
But it's, it's niche.
Yeah.
So I can't imagine likeMcDonald's having a fisherman, a

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fisher.
I know they did last summer.
The fish filet Fridays.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Ugh.
That would've been amazingthough.
Um, no, I don't know.
I think this one, maybe it wason TV.
More.
Mm.
Maybe, it was just because it,it was newer.
It was the one that was alwaysput out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe because honestly, this oneis so over the top cheesy.

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I think it's a really good time.
It's not a great movie, but Ithink it's a lot of fun, and I
think that might be part of ittoo.
It feels more fun than the firstmovie does.
It definitely does.
Yeah, it definitely does.
I, well, one thing that Inoticed when rewatching, I still
know what you did last summer,is that there's so much music.
There is, there's like, there'snot only like a good soundtrack,

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but there's also like kind oflike poppy music with lyrics.
Yes.
It's more like sliced into the,the movie versus the original
movie where I can't reallyrecall any music in the
background.
I don't think there was anymusic in the background either.
Oh yeah.
That might be part of it too.
It's just like, like you said,it's bigger.
Yeah.
It's a bigger, bigger movie.
I just wanna make sure I'm soparanoid.
Fanning myself off.

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Yeah.
I have like PTSD from fuckingbad microphone takes and stuff.
Oh.
And the software that I useunfortunately is not reliable.
Yeah.
Hey, it's all good.
We, this is like.
This is when we create thestuff.
Exactly.
So you have to get everythingyou can.
Yeah.
This is no budget, no zerobudget.
Yeah.
I got that from Chris Vecchiofrom Queer Horror High.

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Do you ever listen to QueerHorror High?
Mm-hmm.
Shout out to Queer Horror High.
I fucking love Queer HorrorHigh.
It was the first crossoverepisode I've ever done.
It's Chris Vecchio and NikkiJack, and they, their whole
thing is they just get high andwatch movies and talk about
them.
Mm-hmm.
And it's really fun.
They recommend like, what strainor like, you know, sativa or
indica to smoke when you watchit.
It's really cute.

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Chris came and did my four 20heni episode.
Oh yeah.
We talked all about weed andhorror and like the tropes and
all that stuff.
But anyway, Chris, They were theones that they kind, I don't
know if they coined it, but theywere just like, we are no
budget.
And that stuck in my mind.
It's like, yes, me too, mama.
We are all low budget here.
I like, I like the raw, the rawcuts.

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The raw details.
That's one thing.
Okay.
So, um, we forgot to, to mentionthis last one.
I'm gonna give a little bit oflore, everybody.
Hmm.
Richard technically booked mefor my first ever drag gig.
Ah, yes, yes.
I remember that discussion.
Yes.
So the botanical ball that Imentioned last time, that was
the first time I ever performedin drag.

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And it was at the plant shopthat you used to work at?
Yeah, yeah.
There was a good handful of usperforming like Donnie
performed.
Mm-hmm.
Amy Moore, Amy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And yeah, so that's, I forgot tomention that Richard is the
reason why I'm here like thistoday, basically.
Oh my God.
Well, I mean, I, I mean, Iprobably would've taken the leap
at some point, but it was likethe perfect storm.
'cause I had just quit my joband everything, so, yeah.

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It, it lined up and you werelike the star of that show.
No, I mean, I loved all myqueens.
I loved all the queens in thatshow.
Shit.
It's okay, Amy, if you'rewatching.
I love you too.
It's okay.
We, we love you, Amy.
Hey Donnie.
We love Amy.
But yeah, that year we wanted tocelebrate Pride by doing, a drag
show, a botanical ball.

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And so everything was plantthemed.
And I remember I had to finddifferent acts, different queens
and kings.
And I was like, wait a minute.
That person who wanted to make adress out of plants, I need to
find their contact.
And so I kind of, I dunno how Ifound you with that.
Well, we had already, we hadjust followed each other on
Instagram.

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Oh, okay.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
We exchanged information when wefirst initially started
chatting.
Mm-hmm.
So anyway, it was lots of fun.
But I remember you telling methat you, when it came to drag,
you love that gritty grassroots.
Me too, by the way.
I fucking love that shit.
Yeah, I do like for me, likeeven though, you know, when we
watch drag on TV now, it's allvery glamorous, it's very

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pageantry, but kind of from myneck of the woods in San
Francisco, the Bay Area.
Drag was always a very, verygritty thing.
It was a very DIY.
Mm-hmm.
It was bearded queens mustacheschest hair.
It, it, it's literally crybabycry.
Cry crybaby is the type of dragthat I emerged from this.

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Thank you.
Although I don't have my beardright now, I'm, I'm
experimenting crybaby without abeard.
Yeah.
I think I'm gonna go backthough.
I kind of like You can switch itup.
Yeah.
Mm.
Anyway, all that to be said, Istill know what you did last
summer.
I'm gonna get into my cry.
Baby breakdown.
Yeah, let's break it down,bitches.
Let's break it down again.

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Did not memorize.
Probably never will.
It's okay.
It's a fucking monologue.
You're not that serious of anactress.
No, I am not.
I'm not.
I'm not Helen Shivers.
You're not Helen Shivers.
You know she's dead.
That's true.
Very true, miss.
She rest in peace.
Herwig and tiara's right upthere behind us.
Y'all can't see it on camera.
But my wigs are behind us on theshelf and oh God.

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Helen Shivers is looking overthis episode right now.
Anyway.
All right.
All right.
I still know what you did lastsummer.
It's another 4th of July, andour sassy petty fisherman is
back for a hot, sexy murderspree.
But this time he's gettingtropical baby uhhuh.
One year after the events of thelast movie, which if you're
keeping track, took place oneyear after a tragic accident

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that also took place one yearafter another tragic accident.
our kind of mid final girl,Julie James returns and this
time with slightly better hairand a significantly better
roommate, Carla.
Julie has been screaming her waythrough nightmares, flunking her
way through college again, andclinging to her long distance,

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almost boyfriend Ray.
While Carla is doing her best toget Julie to dump his ass and
date some new local white breadboy named Will.
In an odd turn of events, and aneven otter change of location
for this slasher are silly, sexygirlies win a 4th of July trip
to The Bahamas baby and they'rebringing their men.

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But plot twist, the contest isfake.
The trivia answer was wrong.
And this quote unquote vacationis actually a murder trap
somehow now stranded at an offseason resort in the middle of a
hurricane miles away from helpand farther from getting laid
than they would like.
Our cast of hot college co-edstarts to fall apart and this

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poor working class resort stafffinds themselves in the middle
of some convoluted ass revengeplot.
As the storm rolls in, Rayfumbles his way through, yet
another limp boyfriendredemption arc.
Julie realizes she can't keeprunning from her trauma, and
everyone else starts wonderingwhy Julie didn't mention that
time.
She helped cover up a murder.
Whoops.
So who survives this time?

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Who dies this time we'rebreaking down all the drama, all
the trauma and deeply chaoticchoices, and I still know what
you did last summer becausenothing says summer fun, like
being stalked, slashed, andconfused Again.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
are you ready to bitch the pot?
Are you ready for some funfactoids?
I'm ready for both.

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So this film was not directed byJim Gillespie.
This was directed by DannyCannon, who I honestly can't
name a single other thing thathe directed.
He's more of a producer.
He produced a lot of shows.
Wow.
But he directed this, JimGillespie did not like the
script.
Oh, he didn't?
No, he didn't like the premise.
He didn't think it was somethingthat he wanted to do, so he

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didn't get on board.
Mm-hmm.
Nice.
Oh gosh.
Um, another fun fact, this wasthe last time for 27 years that
Jennifer Love Hewitt would starin a horror movie.
'cause she didn't wanna gettypecast as a scream queen.
Oh.
So she kind of like moved on toother stuff.
She had her music career, allthat.

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We'll get into that later,later.
But yeah, up until she repriseher role as Julie James in the
up and coming film that's comingout in like two weeks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She had never done a horrormovie since.
Which, I mean, I don't, I don'tblame her.
'cause at the time, horror waslike, it was, it was sexy again,
Uhhuh, it wasn't like now wherethere's a lot of, a lot more

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respect and admiration in doinghorror movies.
Was that a quiet burp?
You don't know me.
I saw it on your face.
I saw you prep for it and thenrelease it.
I didn't wanna be disrespectful.
Be disrespectful is fine.
It's fine.
I don't mind being disrespectedsometimes.

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I'm sure you don't.
Nope.
Okay.
Let's, anyway, that'sdisrespectful to be a, a scream
queen.
Yeah.
Back in the nineties.
Yeah.
It was just, would you considerSarah Michelle Geller as a
scream queen?
Yes and no.
I think Sarah Michelle Gellerbecause of Buffy.
Was able to kind of like movebeyond that.

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Mm.
because Buffy's Horror, but it'salso like, it's a TV series.
Like she's carrying so manyseasons.
It's like it Well it's, it's adrama series.
Yeah.
If you really think about it,just in the category of mm-hmm.
Of horror.
I would count her as a screamqueen for sure.
But I think that for heropportunities were already hers

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at that point.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know,'cause when she didscream too, and I know what you
did last summer, Buffy wasalready in production.
She was already on the rise.
Exactly.
And then she also acted beforethat too.
So she already has cl Yeah, shedid soap operas, all that stuff.
But Jennifer Love Hewitt, Ithink was just worried about
getting shoehorned into thatScream Queen thing.
Ah, yeah.
Was I still know.
Oh, the whole, I know what youdid last summer franchise.

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Mm-hmm.
Did it start, was that likeJennifer Love Hewitt's?
Like first thing?
No, I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
I'm sure she's done stuff beforethis.
Yeah.
I think she also did some TVthings.
I just, I don't know.
I didn't, I didn't look thatmuch up.
Sorry.
That's okay.
Anyway, because of its negativereception, Freddie Prince Jr.
Never watched the movie untillast year when he watched it for

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a podcast.
What?
Yeah, because it was received sonegatively.
I, it got an 8% tomato meter onRotten tomatoes.
That's, people are a littledramatic.
It wasn't that bad.
I actually like it.
It was bad.
I've seen a lot like worsemovies there, like they're.
8%.
Well, that's the critic score.

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The audience gave it 29%, whichstill is a much better.
That's it.
Geez.
You are so rude.
Yeah, it's not that bad.
Well, here it's not that bad.
I actually, I wrote down, thisis Shady Boots.
I wrote down a quote from one ofthe critics on their review.
Oh, getting critic reviews.
Okay.
Yeah.
They said quote, we know whatsequel shouldn't have been made

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last summer.
That's stupid.
I think.
I think that's shady.
I think it's shady.
It's dumb, but it's shady.
Oh, another thing, final thing.
'Cause Carla, the roommateplayed by the vocal Bible
herself.
Brandy.
Brandy.
Apparently that character wasoriginally supposed to be white.
I know.
Thank God.

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Yeah.
I'm glad that they did.
Thank God.
Yeah.
And also, like, they didn'tmake, because they cast brandy,
they didn't make her characterlike quintessentially black.
Like they wasn't her whole art,which I character I really,
really appreciated.
Which I really appreciated.
Yes.
'cause one of my s that wediscussed, uh, previously was
tokens.
Yes.
And what I liked about thismovie, like when I first saw
Brandy on screen, I'm like,great, we have the, the token

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black girl.
But because of the castingchoices, it was more
well-rounded.
And Brandy was not, Brandy wasplaying that kind of friend of
Julie's.
Mm-hmm.
I'll discuss it later, but the,the replacement mm-hmm.
Of Helen in, in Julie's likefantasy world.
Yeah.
So I appreciated not only thecasting choice of brandy, but

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everyone else Yes.
With that.
Like the people at the resort.
Mm-hmm.
Mikhail Pfeiffer.
Mackay.
Mackay.
Mackay Mackay.
Yeah.
Mackay Pfeiffer.
Well, let's be, let's talk aboutthe characters.
So we have Julie, who'sreturning, played by Jay Love
Hewitt.
Mm-hmm.
And then we have her white breadboyfriend Ray, played by the
handsome Friday Prince Jr.
we already talked about Carla.

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Yes.
she is, uh, Julie's newroommate.
Mm-hmm.
They're good friends in college,and, she's just great.
Yeah.
I love her.
Like you said.
Well, I, I knew of Brandy fromher TV show, Moisha.
That's right.
Yes, that's right.
And that's how me and my, I gotmy little sister into it.
Mm-hmm.
Because my little sister wasreally, really into Moisha.
Mm.

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Okay.
And so when that came,'cause Iwas a Buffy fan.
Oh yeah, me too.
So, oh my God.
Okay, so I, I'm not sure aboutthe TV politics here, but there
was the Wb Uhhuh, which is whatBuffy was on.
Oh.
And then Moha was on UPN.
Oh.
And I think those channels areliterally just like back in
California, one channel off.

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So I remember me watching Buffythe Vampire Slayer, and then my
little sister arguing Uhhuh.
It's like, no, I wanna watchMoesha.
And so we would always battle itout between Buffy and Moesha.
Interesting.
So I always think it's kind ofinteresting that Julie's best
friend is kind of like thebattle of WB and UPN.
'cause those were, that's someta.

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That's so funny.
Like those were the IT girls ofthose two TV stations.
That's true.
And they both find their wayinto this franchise, which is.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I never saw Moesha.
I should have.
I, it's pretty funny.
I love Moesha's best friendUhhuh.
She was the reason why I watchedthe show.
Uhhuh.
Granted, I loved Brandy becauseof Cinderella.
Yes.
And all this other stuff.

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That, and also I love her musictoo.
Mm-hmm.
But it's Moesha's friend thatgot me watching that show.
She was funny as fuck.
See, I knew Brandy fromCinderella.
Mm.
Yeah.
Which, love that version ofCinderella.
So fun.
I mean an Asian prince ofcourse.
Uh, yes, of course.
So that's Carla.
Then we have Ty.
Yes.
Who is Carla's horny boyfriend.

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Very horny.
Uh, played by the also veryhandsome Mackay Pfeiffer.
We have Will Benson, who is,wonder Bread without the Wonder.
Uh, he is wider than Ray.
He is, what did I say?
Oh, he's kind of like, if youthrew every mediocre baseball
player, turned comedian into ablender.
That's kind of him.
Oh my God.

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Yeah.
He is.
I I love Carla.
Her one flaw is that she thinksthat this motherfucker is worth
dating because she pushes she,she pushes, she pushes Will
Yeah.
Onto Julie.
Yes.
And Will is boring.
Uh, and he's not even, I'msorry, he's not my type.

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I'm not gonna say he is nothandsome.
'cause I'm sure there's peopleout there that find him
handsome.
I mean, he's just like generic.
Exactly.
That's the thing.
He's just like, okay.
It's just like basic white dude.
Yeah.
Wonder Bread without the wonder.
But, but things, he's not evenlike, you can't, he, his
character doesn't even push tothe point of like, you can make
fun of it because there'snothing to make fun of.
There's nothing there.
There's nothing.
I, if it wasn't for what happensat the end, I would forget his

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character completely.
Moving on.
Will, eh, some other folks, someof our peripheral folks, we have
Ray's friend who's just likesome guy, a fisherman.
Oh, Dave, is that his name?
He's in my notes.
Oh, Dave, I didn't write downDave.
Oh, yeah.
Uh, Dave is, I have, has to say,I have things to say about Dave.

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Oh, I can't wait to hear.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dave is like, Ray's like bestieon the boat.
Yes, he is.
That's how I like to say it.
Yeah.
He's Ray Helen.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
We also have, oh, we have theresort manager, Mr.
Brooks, played by Jeffrey Combs,horror royalty.
Oh, I didn't mean his royal.
Oh yeah, he was a re animator.
That's his big one.
And then he's done a lot ofother horror movies as well.

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So Jeffrey Combs is wonderful.
So happy to see him in thismovie.
Mr.
Brooks, the dick ass, uh, hotelmanager.
Manager.
Manager.
Yeah.
We have Jack Black, who is a, ohGod, walking, caricature of a
stoner., I feel like is not asproblematic as some people may
think from the jump, and we'llget into that.
I think it's a critique.

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He took me by surprise.
I forgot that Jack Black was inthis movie.
Yeah.
Until he just pops out at theresort.
And honestly, I think wonderfulcasting, I'm not gonna lie.
I Well, here's the thing.
I don't know who else would,would've, would do that exactly.
Jack Black's character in thismovie is Appropriation 1 0 1.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
It's 100.
He has dreads.
He's, he's the weed dealer.

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He's the pool guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The affectations, uh, theaffectations that he puts on are
very, appropriated as well.
Yeah.
And I think that he does it in away that is so exaggerated.
I personally feel like it's acritique of appropriation.
Mm.
You know, I feel like he'smaking fun of people who are
like that.
I don't think it's one of thosethings where the performance or

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even the presence in the movieIs like representation as
acceptance.
I think it's satirical in a way.
He definitely did provide thecomic relief.
Yes.
But he Oh, that is aninteresting way to think about
it.
Yeah.
But he like pushed it to thatextreme that it's actually
making fun of it.
That's so meta.
Yeah.
That's, that's my thought.
Wow.
Like there is of, I mean, Icould imagine that there's a

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conversation around theproblematic nature of that
character.
Mm-hmm.
But it was the nineties,everything was problematic back
then.
Looking in retrospect, that'strue.
But I also, I do kind of want togive it a little bit more
credit.
I don't think it was necessarilytrying to be.
Perceived as like thisrevolutionary thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just think they were like, oh,this would be funny.
But I do think that it issomewhat of a critique of

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cultural appropriation.
Yeah.
It was him like being a whiteboy, white boy.
Trying to be, trying to beExactly.
Got it.
That's exactly, I, I could seethat.
I could see that.
Yeah.
So Jack Blacks in this movie, wealso have Derrick, he's the dock
hand.
He code switches to get tips, hePuts on a Caribbean accent so
that way white people will tiphim more.
Mm-hmm.
Love it.
We have Estes.

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I love him.
However, I am so over themystical negro trope.
He kind of plays that here.
He does play into that.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he's great.
I do love him.
He's my favorite.
Um, we have Nancy.
She's the hot bartender.
I feel like Nancy is the, like,this is how they thought women
from New York were.
Mm.
She reads very nineties New Yorkwoman to me, the way that she's

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written, styled, portrayed.
Yep.
She's very like, kind of likerough around the edges.
Like the coyote ugly kind ofgirl.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's like that kind of, yeah.
Yes, yes.
It's that kind of vibe.
Like, no bullshit.
I'm sexy, but fuck off.
Yeah.
That kind of thing.
Exactly.
I'm not sure if there's probablydialogue that has to do with
guys or something.
I think she's a little queercoded.
Oh, absolutely.

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I find her to be a little sad.
Hundred percent.
I really like Nancy.
And then we have Olga that madepoor baby Olga.
I know.
Which I thought was aninteresting naming choice.
Yeah.
Because you have Estes likeYeah.
You have Es and you have Yeah.
Olga.
Olga.
Like you would think like aRussian housekeeper Exactly.
From that name, but it's not,but.

(23:26):
You only know that name if youlook at the credits.
Exactly.
Anyway, those are ourcharacters.
And let's go ahead and getthrough our talk through.
I would love to hear what youhave on your notes on this mile
long piece of paper that we havehere.
Where do I begin?
Where do I begin?
I, well, the first thing I kindof went, I just watched the

(23:48):
movie straight through.
Mm-hmm.
And started jotting things down.
Yes.
Same.
So the first thing I saw was,religion.
Julie's Catholic maybe becausethat was the open, the opening.
How the movie opens is thatwe're in a church.
Yes.
It's like, and she's going toconfession.
Yes.
And did we notice the hookerheels she was wearing?
No, I did not notice the hook.
She's wearing hooker heels.

(24:08):
That was like the first shot.
Like, okay.
You just like, oh, the church.
Okay.
And then it zooms into her heelsand she's wearing hooker heels.
Good.
Gabe?
Good.
I I love hooker heels in theCatholic church work bitch.
Yes, please.
I, I didn't think about I,'causehere's the thing, whenever I see

(24:29):
a scene like this, especially ina movie like this mm-hmm.
I don't latch onto theCatholicism part of it.
Mm.
I'm just like, oh, she's gonnago into the fucking confession
and on the other side of thescreen is gonna be some big bad
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's gonna be jump screen andthat's exactly what the fuck
happens.
I view it as a plot device lessthan like a religious represent.

(24:52):
Nice.
Forgive me, father, I have said,forgive me, father.
I have, I don't necessarily viewit as like a religious
representation as much as justlike a kind of a plot device, a
trope that you see.
Mm.
Catholicism is all up and downin horror movies.
It is.
Whether it be represented wellor not, But she is in church and
hooker heels and I like it.
She's, no, I really like that.
Mm-hmm.

(25:12):
This whole church thing is adream.
Kind of like how they ended thefirst movie with like this whole
fake out thing.
They did the same thing with herin this movie, and she, correct
me if I'm wrong, she wakes up inclass screaming, right?
Yes, she does.
Mm-hmm.
Because it was just a dream andshe's been having these dreams
in class.
Mm-hmm.
And she's not doing well.
No, she's not doing well inclass at all.
I mean, she's sleeping in class.

(25:33):
Of course.
And then so Ray comes in,'causeshe's dating Ray.
Mm-hmm.
And they're still together.
They're still together.
He wants her to go to Southport,but she doesn't want to.
Mm-hmm.
She, she has not gotten over.
What has happened to her in thetown.
Mm-hmm.
But Ray seems to be fine withit.
And is He is like, yeah, yeah,let's fine.

(25:53):
We gotta go back.
Which is very in.
Well, I don't think'cause hehasn't left.
Mm.
Because he's a, he, he works asa fisherman, so he can't really
leave.
Julie gets to go to college andshe gets to kind of leave it all
behind her.
That's kind of her thing.
And she like runs away fromthings.
That's what Julie does.
She's cold, distant, she runsaway from things and reasonably
I get it.

(26:13):
She doesn't want to come back.
It's been a year.
Yeah.
It's only been one year.
So I get it.
Give her time to like simmer andstuff.
She like, just like possiblykilled someone.
Her best friends are dead.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I guess I understand the trauma.
Yeah.
And whereas Ray hasn't reallyhad the chance to remove himself
from it yet.
Mm.
Maybe he loses himself in hiswork.
He is a working, he's aholicworking class.

(26:34):
Well he's, he's a working class.
He has to Mm.
You know, that's his wholething.
I did write, write down kind oflike the parallels of Julie's
new life versus her old life.
Oh yeah.
So she ki I feel like she kindof replaced people.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
So, like Helen is now Carla,Barry is now Tyrell.

(26:54):
Mm-hmm.
And Ray could possibly be Will.
Oh yeah.
I see.
You know what I mean?
Like, she's like, I'm gonnarecast my new life.
These are my new friends.
And kind of like, and Ray iskind of that, that possibly
might be phased out person.
Well, and he's the one thingthat she doesn't wanna like go
of because she, despite he knowsthe truth, he knows the truth.

(27:17):
Like he gets her like the highschool sweethearts and
everything.
But also, will is not great.
I'm sorry, I'm projecting, I'mprojecting my thoughts about
Will onto this.
You hate Will so much.
I just think he's so boring.
I just, it it.
Anyway, but I, yes, I feel youthere.
Yeah, Especially'cause we, weget that shot of her looking at

(27:40):
that photo of Helen, of SarahMichelle Geller when she gets
back to her partner Caress.
And she caress it and I'm justlike, girl, we miss her too.
Me too.
We miss her too.
I was hoping for like a littleflashback just to have a little
SMG in there, but No, no.
And that, that was like wishfulthinking on our heart or just
the photo, like after that scenetoo.
Isn't there like a, a shadow inthe background?

(28:00):
Yeah.
I was like, oh my God.
S-M-G-S-M-G-I wish, but no, it'sCarla instead it's the
replacement SM G, which honestlyas far as replacement besties go
in movies.
Carla is top tier.
She is because she's very, veryconfident.
Yes.
She makes decisions.
She does.
And she looks out for Julie.
She does, she's very protectiveof Julie.

(28:21):
She's very protective of Julie.
I really like Carla.
I would be Carla's friend.
I also just, she's fun.
She just wants to have a funtime.
She wants to have a fun time.
She was going through Julie'scloset'cause she thought Julie
wasn't home and Julie almoststabs the fuck out of her.
And, and Brandy Carla is justlike, girl, I thought you were
gone.
I'm just trying to borrow a cutetop from you.
I'm going out tonight.

(28:42):
I'm not gonna die over it.
Yeah, exactly.
It's, it's so fucking funny.
But then she somehow uses thatto convince Julie to go out with
her.
I, I wrote down almost getstabbed and invites Julie out.
But isn't that the whole themeof this movie is that Carla
almost stabbed, but we'll stillhang out with Julie.

(29:03):
Yeah, exactly.
She's, she's a ride die.
that's the friend that you need,like, if you're having a bad
day, she's like, look girl, I amstealing your clothes and we're
going out.
Yeah.
Carla's a girl's girl.
She's a girl's girl.
Carla's 100% a girl's girl.
She's definitely a girl's girl.
She's the one that's gonna like,get you together.
She'll gather you if she has to.
Mm-hmm.
Like she'll tell you like, itis, she will watch you a drink.
She'll call out a guy who triesto put something, A drink.

(29:25):
Yeah.
She's also, she's that bitch.
She's very protective too.
Like I feel like she looks afterlike the group, of course, like
after Julie.
But I feel like she always has awatchful eye over everyone.
Very much so.
Very, I would definitely agree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's very competent as well.
She is.
She is.
It's not like one of thosethings where you have somebody
who tries to be maternal andtries to look out for people and
ends up making things worse.

(29:45):
No, she is capable, she'sintelligent.
I fucking love Carla.
Big Carla fan here.
they go out too, and this iswhere she starts pushing Will
Yes.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
At the club.
At the club.
At the club.
And what I, I wrote down in mynotes at the club mm-hmm.
Is that if you notice in theclub, there's those flashes of
blue lights.

(30:05):
Mm-hmm.
And those blue lights, to me,symbolized the color scheme of
the first movie poster.
Mm-hmm.
And so when those blue lightsstart hitting, that's when she
sees the flashback of thefishermen.
Mm-hmm.
And it's kind of like paying, anhomage to the first movie.
Yeah.
I mean, lighting definitelyplays a huge part in that for
sure.

(30:26):
and it's all strobe too.
Yeah.
Which is strobes in a horrormovie are always going to like,
they're always gonna get me alittle on edge.
I'm not gonna lie.
Also, wasn't the str effect partof Helen's death too, with the
fireworks?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kind of.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Look at that.
I'm so smart.
So smart, so smart.
But yeah, Julie gets the fuckoutta the club though.

(30:47):
She's not feeling it.
No, no, no, no.
Yeah, she, she dips, she leavesWill hanging.
She does.
Mm-hmm.
And then what happens next?
What happens next is.
How do I deal by Jennifer?
Love Heit Starts playing.
Wait, her, wait.
Her own song was her own song.
I did not catch that.
I feel like this movie is kindof a plug for her transition
into being a popular.

(31:07):
Exactly.
And you pick it up throughoutthe whole movie.
Yeah.
Kind of like, girl, this is justa very, very like soft but hard
push.
Shame for your career.
Oh, it's shameless.
It is Shameless.
Come on.
And I thought what was funny isthat you actually had an
established singer already,Brandy, but yet she doesn't sing
at all in this movie.
It's all about Jennifer LoveHewitt.

(31:27):
Mm-hmm.
Which I thought was kind offunny.
It, yeah, it is kind of funny.
But you know, Brandy already haslike her herself established.
That's true.
So maybe they were just tryingto like Yeah.
Bump her up a little bit.
See, Carla is such a goodfriend.
Carla's a great friend.
Carla is a great friend.
I will push back my pop career.
Yeah.
For you to shine.
For you to shine.
Jay, love Hugh.

(31:48):
Oh.
So, uh, this is the nextmorning.
We have some shoes in the dryer.
That's Carla's other flaw.
She has two flaws.
She puts her shoes in the dryerand she wants will to be in
Julie's life.
To be, yeah.
To be part of the crew.
Yeah.
But the shoes in the dryer isanother foreshadowing.
It is absolutely a thousandpercent.
We'll get to that one in a bit.

(32:08):
But they get a call from theradio station.
Now, correct me if I'm dumb, butI'm pretty sure when it comes to
like radio station contests,you're the one that calls in.
Am I right or am I stupid?
No, you're right.
That's how it works.
'cause like why would they callyou?
Exactly.
'cause they have like, theycould call anyone, but that's
what happens here.
The radio station calls them andis just like, Hey, we're gonna

(32:31):
get a, we have a, a giveaway.
What's the capital of Brazil?
And they look at a fucking bagof coffee and they're like Rio
de Janeiro.
And he's like, did you say Rio?
Well, you just won.
Oh my God.
I'm just like, okay.
Do y'all not think it's just alittle bit fishy, huh?
That the radio station callsyou?

(32:53):
Like, am I the only one thatwould be like, this is a scam?
I mean, I wasn't thinking thatwhen I watched it.
I was there with the audience,or maybe it was just my own
little world when that plot washappening, I went, really?
Yeah, I, I watched this intheaters back in 1998.
You were the I was in the, I wasin that seat with my little

(33:15):
sister.
You are the ideal audience forthis movie.
Yeah.
Just believing everything.
I'm kind of gullible.
Like, if you tell me that ithappened, I'm like, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It totally happened.
Let's do it.
I did not believe it right away.
Really?
Yeah.
I was like, this smells fishy.
I was like, okay.
So obviously they're being setup, but why The Bahamas?
That was where my brain was.

(33:35):
Oh.
Because, I mean, it's, it's,it's, it's like who, uh.
It just, it doesn't make logicalsense.
I mean, people win things everyday.
Yeah.
But they, they win things,trying to win things.
These two girls, were not tryingto win anything.
They get a phone call tellingthem that they won something.
Do you think the radio stationis just picking up their phone,

(33:55):
dialing random as numbers andjust being like, hello?
Do you listen to our radiostation?
anyway, I have a possible prizefor you.
No.
Oh, I guess you're right.
I just, I have questions.
I have questions.
That was your response.
If you, Hey, we're gonna wait.
Hold up.
Yeah.
I have questions for you.
I'm just like, excuse me.
I'm sorry.
You're, are you live on theradio right now?

(34:17):
Let me take a listen.
I would've fucking turned on theradio station and listened to
myself win.
Oh wow.
I'm narcissistic like that.
You are?
Yeah.
I would've been like, everybodyturn on 98.3.
And listen to me.
Went a little trip to TheBahamas.
And then when I realized that itdidn't happen, I'd be like, hold
on.
Well, we can definitely tell whothe telemarketers probably
target.
Anyway, I smell a stunt.

(34:38):
But that's what happens.
They win a trip to The Bahamasand Julie wants Ray to go,'cause
it's four tickets.
They win four tickets.
And Carla's like, mm.
Who?
Who am I gonna, who am I gonnachoose?
Yeah.
So Carla.
Oh yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Carla's like messing with herand like my cousin, my sisters,
and she was like, me.
Me.
Yeah.
So Carla picks Julie, herboyfriend Tyrell.

(35:02):
Mm-hmm.
And then Julie wants to bringRay.
And when she calls Ray, Ray isbeing a little bitch about it.
Oh no.
Make up work.
But he lied about that.
He did.
He didn't have work.
His friend Dave is just like,it's so fucking slow.
What the fuck are you talkingabout?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're turning down a free tripto The Bahamas.
But it's a bigger thing becauseRay wants to propose to Julie.

(35:26):
I'm so over straight.
People proposing to each otherto fix their problems.
I am over it.
I'm sorry.
Is that what you guys do?
I mean, I, I feel like it's the,oh, we are, we're having
problems.
Let's get married.
Let's have kids.
That'll solve it.
No, that's not gonna solveanything.
That's gonna make things worse.
How about we communicate ourfeelings?

(35:47):
How about we actually talk?
I don't think, I don't thinktrue people work like that.
I don't.
I know it's annoying.
It's just like, I'm like, youare, there's so much conflict in
your relationship.
Julie literally runs away fromyou almost every time you have a
conversation and you wanna put aring on it and you think that's
gonna fix it.
Well, I feel like straightpeople, whenever they want to

(36:09):
fix a problem, they have to dosomething rather than talking
about it.
Which comes up later on in thismovie.
It does.
I also, it does, and it's like,it's always like this.
I, when we come to the, thehotel, I have this theory.
Okay.
That I have a theory.
I have that it's a demon.
A dancing demon.

(36:29):
Something doesn't, oh my God,that would be so cool if there
was a dancing demon in thehotel.
Oh, that would be fun.
That would be really fun.
That would be fun.
I still know what you did lastsummer.
The musical.
The musical.
I'll be, I kind of want to see,I kind of, I would watch that.
I wanna see that.
I'm not gonna lie.
I would watch that If there isan, I know you still that if I
know you did last summer, themusical, I would definitely

(36:50):
watch it.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
That would be sold out.
Yeah.
Immediately.
I would definitely watch anyway.
We Oh, right.
Anyway.
Um, yes, but I have a theory,that everyone at the hotel is
gay.
I hope so.
The people that come to thehotel are straights.
Ah, so the whole, the, thedeeper level of this hotel is

(37:11):
gaze versus straights.
And the straight people arecoming to their territory.
I'm very interested to hearthat.
See, I might be ditsy, but whenI have my thinking cap on, I
think through our Lord inChrist, all things are possible.
I have it through scripture.
Mm.
So, he's gonna propose Oh yeah.

(37:33):
And do that stupid thing.
Oh, and that's, oh, and that'swhen we, uh, Dave, yes.
Because Dave says some, Davesays something really, really
funny.
Tell me.
So when he shows off the ring tohis bestie on the boat.
Mm-hmm.
Dave goes, oh, I need a littletime to think about it.
Mm-hmm.
He plays into the gay thing.
Yeah.
And then he also says, oh, Ray,you need to surprise her.

(37:55):
This is the perfect opportunityfor you to surprise her.
Do you think Dave is gay?
Yep.
Honestly, that's the thing,because he, I can see it because
he didn't really like.
do the dude thing where like, ohyeah, that's cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Julie's hot.
Mm-hmm.
In fact, he makes a little gayjoke.
Mm-hmm.
But then also gives Ray advice,thoughtful advice.

(38:15):
Thoughtful advice on how to winJulie over.
Hmm.
So that's gives me a littlequestion mark about Dave.
That's a good point.
'cause I didn't, I didn'tnecessarily read him as queer,
but I mean, it's all like, theydon't tell us anything about him
really.
You know, it's just a littlelike nudge.
I'm just like, that'sinteresting.
Yeah.
Like looking at the moviethrough a queer perspective, I'm
like, yeah.
S like, hmm, this is like, andbecause it's a working town,

(38:40):
like there's not all gays arelike us.
No, no, no, no, no.
There's some that are like very,I mean, why like rugged and like
working girls and by workinggirls, I mean men on the top.
So, yeah.
So I mean, it's not like, it'snot out of the question, it's
not impossible.
It's one of those things wherein the nineties, I don't think.
They would think to depict a gayman like that though.

(39:00):
No, no, no.
But you can read it as queer.
Mm-hmm.
Because he's like that, thatthat gay bf that's just like,
this is how you're gonna win.
This girl did just silent burp.
We're talking about Dave here.
We are talking about Dave.
I do like Dave though.
'cause Dave convinces Ray to, togo.
Yes, exactly.
Yes.
And the, and he even goes so faras to drive with him in the car,

(39:22):
in the vehicle singing a whitesnake.
He does see gay.
So this is, and he sings it welltoo.
He does sing it well.
Yeah.
He hits that false setup.
Yep.
this, movie was the first time Iheard.
Here I go again by white snake.
So every time I hear it, mybrain jumps back to this movie.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I just think of that girl doingflips on the, the car.

(39:42):
Have you ever seen the musicvideo?
Oh, uh, what's her face?
Tawny.
Tony?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tawny.
Oh, she has such a hot name andI can't remember it.
Tawny something or other.
Yeah, she's fierce as fuck.
Yeah, she is, but also anotherlike gay moment.
We didn't want to be her,honestly.
Oh, riding on the hood of whitesex car.
Yeah.
Honestly, that's what Dave wasthinking that he wanted to be
on.
Could you imagine Dave?

(40:03):
God just like, oh, this isDave's side story is that he was
going into the car and he waslike, oh, this is my moment.
This is my moment.
I'm gonna play this song.
I'm gonna dance on this roof.
Raise mine.
Yes.
Oh gosh.
That's in my head anyway.
That's in your head.
Yeah.
That's, that's the head cannon.
Listen, I come up with headcanon like that all the time.
You know, in my mind, MartyMarino and Mama Karen from

(40:24):
Child's play one Totally got iton.
Is it Fact?
No, but in my brain it is.
So I'm with you here.
Okay.
I'm with you here.
Unfortunately though for Dave,he's not long for this world.
they get stopped on the side ofthe road and Ray's like, oh, I
have to go out and investigate.
He's getting flashbacks thefirst time.
So he is like, oh, and what's onthe, it's like a car that's

(40:47):
stopped.
There seems to be a body on theroad.
So Ray goes out to investigate.
He's really, really nervous andwhat's on the floor, but a
fisherman, a fisherman's body.
He's like, oh man, it'shappening again.
Like red lights are in his face.
He, he's starting to panic andstuff, and he turns the body
around.

(41:07):
It's a dummy.
It's a mannequin.
I wonder if it's from shivers.
I wonder if this is themannequin that he pulled off of
the floor.
The mannequin.
It's the mannequin that hepulled off of the floor to
replace during the shivers chasescene.
Last movie, IJI just, no, that'sreal.
I think so.
That's what he did.
How the hell would he got thisfucking mannequin?

(41:29):
I mean, mannequins aren't reallythat hard to find.
Oh.
But I just think it's moreinteresting to think like, oh
yeah, this is from thedepartment store.
This is from shivers.
Yeah.
Head cannon.
so he finds the, the mannequinfrom shivers on the floor.
Turns it around.
He turns around.
He's like, it's a trap.
I don't know if he says that,but his face definitely says
that.
Yeah.
He knows something's up.
Yeah, he knows something's up.

(41:49):
Then right there, the fishermancomes out and hooks Dave and
drags him out.
Underneath the jaw.
It's very sad.
Drags him right out of the car.
Yeah.
And then gets into the car.
The fisherman really likeshooking people underneath the
jaw, and he really likes runningpeople down with cars because
that's what he does.
He runs Ray off of the road.

(42:09):
He does.
He doesn't try to finish the jobthough.
He just like, lets him do histhing and it's very reminiscent
of the first two kills.
Yeah, exactly.
I was like, ah, mm-hmm.
So, like Ray does end up gettingaway and by getting away he,
like, he falls off a cliff.
Yeah.
And ends up in the hospitalRay's side.
Quest is weird.
But because Ray's in thehospital, Julie was still

(42:30):
holding out hope that he wasgonna come through.
Yeah.
Because he, I, because the, thewhole idea of why they were
driving was to go to, to Julie'sbecause they were on surprise
her too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So she didn't know that he wascoming.
He just said that he was goingto try.
Mm-hmm.
As far as she knew.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But he wanted to surprise her,but instead falls off the side
of the cliff.
Mm-hmm.
Almost gets run over.
So obviously he doesn't show up.

(42:50):
Obviously not.
And so who comes to take hisplace?
Thanks Carla.
Will the Wonder Bread.
Yeah.
Less than Wonder Bread Will.
Wonder Bread Benson.
That's an important detail.
It's a stupid detail is whatthat is.
Will's a little bitch.
He hates planes.

(43:11):
He does.
Yeah.
He was throwing up the wholetime.
Yeah.
And I'm not saying that anybodyout there who hates flying is a
little bitch.
I love you all.
I just will's a little bitch.
Specifically.
Carly even says some people werejust not meant to fly.
Yeah.
Some people were just not meantto fly.
Mm-hmm.
Will is one of'em.
Oh.
And then it's so funny becausethat gets thrown right back
because when they're on theboat, Tyrell is throwing up and

(43:31):
will's just like some peoplejust weren't meant to sail.
Aha.
Nudge.
Nudge, nudge fucker.
They make it to The Bahamas.
It's a beautiful day.
It is a beautiful day.
And we get the, the characterdump.
We get to meet Derek theDockhand.
We meet Jack Black, our walkingappropriation neon sign guy.
Mm-hmm.
Um, who else do we meet?
We meet Jeffrey Combs.
We meet the, he's the Mr.

(43:52):
Brooks.
Yeah.
Mr.
Brooks.
And then Estes Estes Yeses.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, okay.
So in this moment when they're,this is an interesting detail.
I'm like, where'd this go?
Mm-hmm.
So when they arrive on theisland and they meet Mr.
Brooks, there's that dog.
Remember the dog barking?
I did not see a dog.
There's a dog barking andtyrell's like, whoa, let calm

(44:13):
the dog down, Uhhuh.
So I'm just like, where'd thedog go?
I see, I see.
maybe the dog got killed.
Maybe because it's Mr.
Brooks's dog.
It's like a Doberman, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Now I remember.
Now I remember.
So that's why I'm like, where'dthis dog go?
Very inconsequential.
Yeah.
I don't know why she, you couldhave cut that.
Yeah.
No need to have a dog there, butmy gay investigation of this
hotel mm-hmm.
When they were asking Mr.

(44:35):
Brooks about the hotel and thehistory of it.
Mm-hmm.
He mentions that Judy Garlandhas stayed at the hotel.
Now.
What kind of straight wouldremember?
Oh, well, Judy Garland stayed atour hotel.
This is my sign.
Maybe that Mr.
Brooks.
Could he, a little friend ofDorothy?

(44:57):
Very well.
Could be.
Mm-hmm.
Anyone else?
Oh, yes.
Oh, so I, I, I feel a thesis.
I feel that everyone at thishotel is gay.
Okay.
Build your case.
So we have Mr.
Brooks.
Yes.
If we look at it, he mentionsJudy Garland.
Yes, he does.
And every time he's summoned todo something, he's like, Ugh,

(45:18):
ugh.
He's like, do I have to?
He is a queen.
And the fact that he's themanager, most managers are
already gay.
Being a former manager,honestly, though, you're not
wrong.
Always the gay.
Yeah.
The gay is always the manager.
'cause we're always the one whoneeds to do everything quickly.
Yeah.
We wanna make sure everything'staken care of.
Yeah.
So we could just sit.

(45:38):
Okay.
You know what, I'm with youthere.
And another thing too, anotherinteresting detail to build my
case, why everyone at this hotelis queer.
Mm-hmm.
Is because it's off season.
So people, the regular staff arewith their families?
Ah, yes.
These people do not havefamilies.
Yes.
Heathens.

(45:59):
We don't have a home to go to.
They just have each other.
Okay.
So that's one.
That's one.
That's one.
Okay.
Um, Estes.
Okay.
Another gay.
I consider him a sassy old gay.
A sassy old gay.
Okay.
Because number one, he askslike, oh, so why are you here?
And they're like, oh, we won acontest.
And he's like, what kind ofcontest?

(46:20):
You know, he's, he's like sassyabout it.
He is kind of sassy.
Yeah.
And then like.
They, they reveal the, thequestion like, what's the
capital of Brazil Uhhuh.
And they like real baby.
Yeah.
And in Estess head, he alreadyknows what He knows they're
wrong.
Yeah.
And what, what is his initialresponse?
Mm-hmm.
Good for you girl.
Mm-hmm.
That's okay.

(46:40):
Good for, good for you girl.
And sassy side eyes.
Does he say good for you girl?
Yeah.
Oh, he says, good for you girl.
Great.
Okay.
And the whole time when they'rehaving this interaction with
him, he's giving sassy side-eyeand little remarks.
Fair.
Okay.
Okay.
So that's my, that's my, my, mycase for Estes Uhhuh to be a a,

(47:04):
a queer.
Um, I'm on board.
We're stereotyping here.
Yeah, we are stereotyping, butit's the nineties.
It's everything was a stereotypein the nineties.
Yeah.
Nancy, the bartender.
Yes.
Definitely queer.
I'm getting, I think so.
I'm getting Les SBO vibes.
Yeah, she is very queer coded,which,'cause when she was
talking to the dudes, Uhhuh,she's really, really mean to
them.
Oh, she hates men.

(47:25):
A line that I remember, is theguys Tyrell and will ask, oh, if
everyone's out of town, why areyou still here?
She goes, none of your business.
Mm-hmm.
And they then push her.
Have any man troubles?
Mm.
And she goes, I shot him.
I remember that.
But then when the girls come up,she softens up a little bit.

(47:46):
Yeah.
She's kind of sweet.
Yeah, she's kind of sweet.
Yeah.
I like Nancy a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's, she's one of myfavorites.
I'm, I'm with you there.
I've always seen her as queercoded.
Absolutely.
And then like another, minorcharacter of the dock guy Derek.
Yeah.
Derek.
Now, at first I'm like, okay,how am I gonna work this guy
into this?
That, that everyone on staff issquare.
Yeah.
I'm curious to know how you dothis.
The name Derrick, the Dockhand,he's cast as Derrick the

(48:09):
Dockhand.
And it's not even D-E-R-I-C-K,it's D-A-R-I-C-K, extra gay.
That's a stretch.
But all.
I'll allow it.

(48:31):
That's obviously like my lastpiece of evidence for my essay.
And then I'm gonna hit you withlike, really, really big ones.
And then also just this one,just to help my case.
Okay.
Let's, let's take a moment totalk about your argument
construction.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why the fuck would you end on aweak note?
I would've ended on Nancy.
Am I right people?
Do you wanna end on the thingthat you're not certain about?

(48:51):
No.
You bury that in the middle andthen you're gonna end with
something strong.
Oh, that is good.
So you should have done that.
Here's what you should havedone.
You should have been like, thisis Mr.
Brooks.
This is Estes Derek.
And this is Nancy.
You hide that shit.
Oh, that would've been astronger argument.
It's okay.
Well, obviously this is thefirst draft.
It really does look like thefucking Declaration of

(49:13):
Independence.
Oh my gosh.
I just like writing things on,on, like, this is like pretty
Listen, I support you.
So they get their rooms and wefind out that they are staying
in the honeymoon.
Suite 2 0 1 and 2 0 2 2 2.
Jeffrey Comb seems a littleshook by this Mr.
Brooks.
He's, he is like, oh oh 2, 0 1and 2 0 2.
Mm-hmm.
They're like, why, why?
He's like saying There arehoneymoon suites, gay.

(49:35):
And Yeah, that's true.
And it's funny because why wouldyou make him seem to not tell
'em?
Because, well, he also knowswhat happened in those rooms.
He has to know the history ofthat place.
Oh, he's like, oh, the last timesomebody was in these rooms, he
probably came with a building.
That's true.
That's probably true.
Carla and Ty are excited aboutthe honeymoon suite because they
want, fuck, they could get iton.

(49:56):
They want to get it on.
Julie, on the other hand, who isnot feeling will, is just like,
which is my response.
I'd been like, do you just can,is there another room you can
put him in?
It's the off season, right?
Yeah.
It's off season.
They're not being used.
Like just do a girl a favor.
She could have done that.
She could have, but she didn't.
No, no, but, but like boring.

(50:18):
Well, was like, oh no.
I could sleep on the couch.
I'm like, oh my God.
Like, well, he's playing niceguy.
He's trying to Oh, he's tryingto.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's trying to Trojan horse.
That shit an illusion.
Yeah.
Oh, whatever.
We also find out this is the offseason because everyone's like
starting to leave and, it's justthat minimal staff, like you

(50:40):
said.
Um, It's like their off season.
It's their version of winter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As Mr.
Brooks explained it.
Yes.
Very sassy.
Excuse me.
You know what winter is, right?
You know what winter is?
Yeah.
It's like that, but it's ours.
This is what, you know, Mr.
Brooks is the Queeniescharacter.

(51:00):
You know what winter is?
Hmm.
You know, every time she walksin, in his mind he is like,
stupid girl.
Yeah.
Let's get some shoes.
Anyway, I'm just gonna blow pastall the race stuff'cause he's in
the hospital.
Oh my.
He leaves the hospital.
The one, the one note I wannasay about the hospital scene go
is the nurse.

(51:21):
What about the nurse?
Tell me, because the nurse is,uh, quite a lesbian.
Oh, see, I didn't notice her.
Yeah.
I'm like, now that I'm lookingat things through a queer
perspective, look at us changinglives here on the horror icon
channel.
I literally clock everythinggay.
Perfect.
But that nurse, I think she wasa little, she was a little gay.

(51:41):
She was a little team.
She was a little gay.
Yeah.
I love the delivery of, oh,what, what, where was it?
Oh, SBO Nurse.
LOLI got a flat line.
Room three.
Just flatlined.
And she delivers it just likethat.
That straight to the point.
Yeah, straight to the point.
Okay.
So we have a queer, that's it.
A queer nurse.
Yeah.
Good for her.
I mean, not a, not like apossibly more head cannon.

(52:02):
Not a like a juicy piece ofevidence.
Listen, I just like, Hey, thisis my first draft.
You're just trying to makeeverybody, yay.
That's the, that's the agenda.
You mean this everyone's gay?
You mean this gay agenda?
Everyone's gay.
Everyone's gay and everyonerecycles everyone hand writes
things on their old packagingthat came with their packages.

(52:23):
That's the gay agenda.
Mama, you have great penmanshipthough.
Look at that.
Thank you.
Wait a second.
Why?
Hold on.
I need to put that to thecamera.
Okay.
For those of you who aren'twatching the video, Richard's
penmanship looks just like thefishermen's from, I still know
what you did last summer.
Are you the fucking fishermen?

(52:44):
Are you gonna kill me by the endof this?
What the fuck?
I don't know what you mean.
Was that intentional or is thisreally how you write?
This is really how I writefucking murderer.
Murderer.
Maybe the fisherman is gay.
Anyway, so they get all settledin and this is when we meet
Nancy.
They're at this empty ass barand Nancy is fucking first off.

(53:07):
She's so hot.
She is so hot, y'all.
And I love that she doesn't givea fuck'cause she's eating like
an orange wedge while reading.
oh yeah, I wrote down bartender.
Nancy is catty as fuck.
Yeah.
I shot him.
Good for you, girl.
But yeah, they're all hangingout.
Carl's like, what do you guys dofor fun around here?
She says, I make fun oftourists, or I let them make fun

(53:29):
of themselves.
That's the line.
And then that's the karaoke bit.
And I love how when JenniferLove Hewitt starts singing and
it's her real vocals, Nancy'slike, everyone's a fucking
singer.
But I also love that like theinitial look like, Ooh, Like
Jennifer Love Hewitt's likepublicist or like team is like,
we have to like acknowledge thatshe's like a good singer.
Like it even startles Nancy A.

(53:49):
Little bit.
Do you think that it's kind ofthose, one of those things where
when Pepsi buys their way into amovie, they're like, you have to
show the label Jennifer LoveHewitt's.
Just like you have to show mymusic.
A hundred percent good for her,a hundred, good for her.
Get that free publicity onsomeone else's budget.
Girl.
I also just love like her bodylanguage when she starts

(54:10):
singing.
'cause she's like, oh, oh, I'mso, I'm so shy.
Oh, I'm so coy.
Oh, but the vocals that comesout, she's not shy, she's
fucking confident she is.
But somehow while she'skaraoking, I don't know the
science behind this as she'ssinging, nobody else is looking
at the screen.
They're all laughing.
They're Kiki.
Julie's so good.

(54:30):
And on the fucking karaokescreen it says, I still know
how, how did he do that?
How?
How, how did he do that?
Because A, those things arepre-programed.
Yeah.
Right?
Pre-programmed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so if he pre-programmed itwith, I still know, how did he
know that she was gonna sing?
I Will Survive.
Or did he go through every songin the fucking catalog and put,

(54:53):
I still know somewhere in there.
And how did he do it so quickly?
It's, yeah.
And like at the that time in thesong?
Yeah.
And then like everyone looksaway, including Nancy.
Yeah.
See it's a little suss.
Yeah.
This is one of those thingswhere I'm like, maybe she is
crazy.
Maybe she's seeing things'causethat just does not track.

(55:13):
No.
Oh, Yeah, she gets scared.
She goes upstairs.
Ben leaves her a fucking note inthe same handwriting.
That same ass handwriting.
She gets scared by him and it'sjust like a whole cluster fuck.
Oh my God.
The roses were dropped.
He then picks up a rose and likecaresses her with it.
I'm like, that was just inbroken glass.

(55:34):
He's fucking gross.
I don't like him.
Let's move on.
I did notice the bananas in thebasket.
Well, yeah.
They were just like a perfectyellow and they were really
tasty.
'cause I like, like yellow,yellow bananas when they're kind
of freckly.
Yeah.
Oh, me too.
Yeah.
Oh, oh my God.
Yeah, when they're just like alittle bit into fermentation.
Yes, yes.

(55:54):
Yeah.
Same.
That was the perfect banana.
Yeah.
Soft.
Fantastic.
Soft.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's soft and sweet.
Yeah.
I like that too.
That's, that's it.
Well, I guess they have goodtaste when it comes to bananas.
Fantastic.
That's gay too.
That's so gay.
That hotel is gay.
Bananas.
Mm-hmm.
Gay.
Another thing that I love, Idon't know if this is queer per
se, but I just love The bait andswitch of it.

(56:15):
When we're outside of Carla andTyrell's room, we hear the bed,
um, uh, we hear the bed jumpingup and down.
We hear the bed springs goingand we hear exactly.
And we cut to the room andCarla's just jumping on the bed
like a fucking school girl.
I love that shit.
I thought it was so, I stupidlove it so much.
Really?
I thought it was so dumb.
No, I think it's fun.
Why do you think it's dumb?
I wrote it in my notes.

(56:37):
I just, just say it's dumb.
Carla Tyrell's.
Sex dumb.
Carl, listen, I guess I hadnothing else to say.
Listen, if you are not down withCarla's whimsy, so be it.
You got this big ass bed and youget to jump on it.
I would jump on it.

(56:58):
I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
And then she wants to go to thehot tub.
She does.
'cause she had bought a bathsuit for a hundred dollars.
Yep.
And she wants to show it off.
Exactly.
So they go to the hot tub.
When does Derek die?
Oh yeah.
Derek dies before this.
Yeah, let's get that.
Yeah.
Yeah, he does.
Derek, he like tries to get theboat back in.
Mm-hmm.

(57:18):
Gets knocked off.
And then he dies.
The fishermen.
Yep.
Kills poor Derek.
Derek, the Dockhand.
Derek the Dockhand.
Yes.
And then so Carla and Tyrell arein the hot tub.
Obviously Tyrell's trying to getbusy.
He's trying to get the dick wetand fucking Jack Black comes up
out of the pool with a joint inhis mouth.

(57:40):
How it should have been wet.
Again.
So this is why I think it's justHyperbolic.
Like it is so exaggerated.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's camp.
It's camp.
It's fucking camp.
So he interrupts them and he'salso like trying to deal, he's
like, if you need anything, Igot you.
Mm-hmm.
And then he leaves and then willcomes in and cock blocks.
Poor Tyrell.
All he wants to do is fuck.

(58:01):
That's all he wants to do.
I don't blame him when I'm onvacation, that's one of the
first things I want to do too.
I'm like, we have this hotelroom, we have this beautiful
bed.
Let's do it.
And then we can get food andthen we can go to the hot tub.
But no, I'd rather get foodfirst.
No, I can't.
It's a problem for me.
I don't like having sex withfood in my stomach.
Oh, no, no, no, no.

(58:22):
I mean, I would just eat foodand go to bed.
Oh, that's fine.
Oh, so after that, Julie, this,'cause I don't know how this
timeline all makes sense.
Julie is in the shower and thenshe goes into the closet and
Derek the document and is he'sin there?
He's in there dead He's hanging.
He's like hung.

(58:43):
Yeah.
I'm like, girl, dark.
But he's in there.
He's definitely in there.
But when she goes to grab thequeen, Mr.
Brooks, and he comes in and hisselfie, oh my God.
His sassy little robe outfit.
His outfit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He has a great robe.
Derek's gone and he's just likelittle stupid girl.
Stupid, stupid girl.

(59:03):
He's like, what the fuck did youcall me in here for?
He reads her down.
Yeah.
He is over it.
I get it.
Actually, I totally see whatyou're talking about when you
like start looking at him aslike that kind of bitter gay,
gay guy.
Mm-hmm.
It all makes sense.
It does.
He doesn't want to be hereeither.
He is like, ugh, these straits,or he wants to be there, but he
doesn't want them to be there.

(59:24):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
he invited the whole, the, themain island over for a circuit
party, but now he can't'cause hehas to work.
Yeah, he's done with her shit,but nobody else believes her
either.
No one is just like, yes, webelieve you, Julie.
But they end up all sleeping inthe same bed together because
she is so scared.
Talk about, you said you lovethis scene.
I love this moment because itkind of plays into like a little

(59:44):
three-way nudge.
Nudge because there's like thatoverhead scene and like Tyrell's
in the middle.
Yeah.
And then Carla's on the side andthen will's on the side on the
other side side and like veryaffectionate and tamra's like,
oh my God.
Get off me.
That's true.
Yeah.
I thought that was just kind ofcute.
It was.
There's a lot of playing gay forjoke in this movie.
There is.
Which like as a, as a young gayguy watching, I thought it was

(01:00:05):
kind of cute.
I was like, oh, ha ha.
I don't hate it.
Trust.
There's worst things that youcan play.
Like there's worse ways that youcan play queerness for a joke.
Yeah.
So this playful little thing,whatever.
Yeah, that's fine.
Hold on..
When does Jack Black Die?
Oh, I, we missed this.
Jack Black died the nightbefore.
Jack Black gets killed by thefish, by the fishermen with a
pair of shears.
And I love, he's like, no,seriously, dude.

(01:00:25):
Don't do that.
Don't do that, dude, bro.
Don't do seriously, don't dothat.
It's so fucking funny.
Oh, it's so funny because thething is like, when the
fisherman like hooks his head,his first reaction is.
God damnit.
it's so over the top.
It's so stupid.
It really is.
But I also love that thefishermen went shopping for his

(01:00:46):
weapon.
Yeah.
He's like going through He'slike, oh, these guard, these
garden shear.
These shearers.
Yeah.
Right in the chest.
So Jack Black dies and thenthat's when we get into the
morning.
Before we move, move, oh, I knowexactly where before, I wrote
this note.
Mm-hmm.
The plants of this movie.
Oh, of course.

(01:01:07):
Of course.
Okay.
Tell me about it.
The person.
Okay.
The, there are some wins andsome loses.
Loses.
Losses.
Losses, yeah.
Losses in this movie.
In terms of the plants.
So the first plant that Iclocked, okay, was the cannabis
plant Uhhuh in Jack Black'sroom, Uhhuh, because he's
growing cannabis.
He's like, Ooh, goody littlebabies.

(01:01:28):
Of course, whoever made thosecannabis plants, those look
horrible.
That's not even how they look.
And they look obviously plastic.
Oh, really?
They didn't look, and that'snot, and that's not enough
light.
That is not enough light tosupport those plants to that
height.
So automatically, I've alreadybeen removed from the movie
because of that scene.
You tell'em, just letting youknow.
Tell'em, just letting you know.

(01:01:48):
You can at least put some growlights on or like a tent or
something.
Yeah.
But as someone who works in thehorticultural field, ha.
Noted.
Noted.
Tell something.
Something's fishy.
Okay.
So the cannabis plants.
Thumbs down.
Cannabis plants, thumbs waydown.
That is not what cannabis lookslike.
Boot.
Boot.
Boom.
Thank you for, thank you forcalling that out.

(01:02:09):
Yeah.
No, it's what I, it's kind oflike the annoying thing that I
do when I watch movies is thatis the accuracy of the plants,
the accuracy of the plants.
I always look at the plants.
That's fair.
And the things is that if theplants aren't correct, I'm taken
out of the movie experiencebecause I know it's a set, like
of course everything that makessense.
Everything is a set.
But for someone who like really,really pays attention to these
details Yeah.
I'm like, oh, this is not real.

(01:02:30):
Absolutely.
This is not real.
I'm with you there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's some things that take meout of it too.
Not necessarily.
I don't look at plants'cause Idon't know enough about plants.
I kill my plants, unfortunately.
Yep.
We've talked about this.
Also, Olga dies somewhere.
Oh yeah.
O dies the deer the day beforeOlga dies.
After the DOCman.
Derek, the DOCman.
Yeah.
She's just trying to do her job.

(01:02:51):
Yeah, she was, she didn'treally, yeah.
Poor baby.
Died.
She gets killed.
She like finds some bloodysheets.
That's it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
'cause she, yeah.
She dies after Derek.
Yeah.
'cause she finds the bloodysheets after the whole
situation.
Maybe to justify why the dogisn't there.
Is that the dog's in that, thathamper just so I can make some
peace with the dog.
At some point the dog had, thedog has, yeah.
Because it disappears becausethe dog would be freaking out.

(01:03:11):
Yeah.
But they did smart because theydidn't kill the dog on screen.
Mm-hmm.
And a lot of people hate that.
Oh, people would, does the dogdie.com?
We need to know.
And then this is when thestorerooms, the, the storm rolls
through, shit starts gettingreal.
It gets rainy, it getsthunderous, it gets windy.
Yes, yes, yes.
And then we see Estes doingsomething with, with Julie's

(01:03:32):
toothbrush.
Mm-hmm.
Because for some reason they'retrying to make Estes a red
herring and we're back.
But yeah, they're trying to makess a red herring and I don't
understand why, because wealready know because, oh, this
kind of, this kind of goes backto your idea of the first movie
of kind of villainizing things.
Yes.

(01:03:52):
And this is what brings back mykind of like Catholicism idea.
Mm-hmm.
Is that Yeah, I know exactlywhere you're gonna go with this.
You know where I'm going, right?
Yeah, yeah.
This path is good.
This path is wrong.
So they villainize the peoplewho have alternate or, or a
different religion.
Then what the religion would bein Seaport or Shore Port,

(01:04:14):
wherever the fuck they're from.
Southport.
Southport.
Yeah.
I'm with you there.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, he's the bad one.
He's practicing Voodoo.
He's the evil one.
Anyone who has listened to thechild's play series knows how I
feel about Voodoo as a plotdevice when played seriously.
Mm-hmm.
Eventually in child's play theyget really campy with it and
that's fine, but when, like youare seriously using Voodoo as a

(01:04:38):
plot device, as an evil plotdevice, I, or even if, if you're
trying to represent it that way.
Mm-hmm.
Even if, just for a moment'causeplot twist, he's trying to help
them.
Yeah, exactly.
It pisses me off.
I feel like it's damaging andI'm with you there because that,
you know, organized religion,the, the purity of the guilt

(01:04:58):
stricken Catholics being put onsuch a high ground, whereas you
have like these moreAfrocentric.
Belief systems and practices andyou're vilifying that.
Yeah.
It's very similar.
Yeah.
It's, it, it's, it's, it's, I'mnot with it.
Yeah.
I'm not crazy about how theytreat Estes in this movie.
No.
They treated him really poorlyand he was honestly the one who
knew everything.
Yeah.

(01:05:18):
He knew exactly what to do.
Mm-hmm.
He also knew how to play thegame in order to protect those
fuckers.
Yeah.
'cause he's, uh, we see him likedoing like some practice with
the toothbrush and Carla's.
Hair tie, hair tie, eventyrell's chain, like Tyrell's
chain, but who isn't includedWill Benson for good reason
fucker.
Anyway.
He's like trying to protectthem.
And this is where I get into thewhole, like, it's not, direct

(01:05:41):
like on the nose mystical negro,but it is because he's the one
that provides the backstory.
Mm-hmm.
He's the one that gives ourprotagonist what they need to be
able to go on and defeat whomis, is, is going after them I
just hate that.
I know.
Yeah.
It's not my favorite thing.
It's not my favorite thing atall.

(01:06:01):
But this is where we get, Ireally like this scene when
Carla's at the gym, So yeah, thegirls decide to have like a
little gym sesh.
Yes.
While the boys are trying toWhat were they doing out there?
I don't know.
They just ran off guys beingguys.
Yeah.
Carla sees this industrial sizeddryer and this is where the
shoes come back.

(01:06:22):
'cause she hears like the, anduh, she's like, damn, she's
gonna have a lot of shoes inthere.
But it ends up being the body ofOlga.
Yeah.
What is the, it's Olga's body.
Oh.
And while this happens, Juliegets fucking locked into a
tanning bed.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Which, uh, A zip tie.

(01:06:43):
A zip tie.
Yeah.
Why didn't she just try to slidethrough the bottom though?
Because it's open on both ends.
There's a lot of questions withthis zip tie scene because like
when Tyrell will and Carla go toher aid, they're like trying to
like smash open this, thisthing.
But all you got to do is justturn down the dial.
Yeah, just turn it down.
Step, step one.
Just turn it off.

(01:07:03):
Step one.
I don't know I'm with you there,but they end up breaking her out
of there, and then Julie runsinto the rain and then she lets,
she catches them up on all ofher trauma finally.
And they're just like, what thefuck?
They're like, you didn't tell,you didn't think that it was
important for us to know thatyou, like, he's actually not
dead, that you covered up amurder and the person that you
almost killed is coming afteryou and you brought us with you

(01:07:25):
and then Carla's like, Julie, Ithought I, I thought I was your
best friend.
How could you do this girl?
Yeah, yeah.
Carla's disappointed.
They go into the hotel and thenthey find, the voodoo layer of
Estes and they're, that's whenthey think, oh, he's fucking
with us automatically.
And the thing is, is that Julieknows that Estes has nothing to

(01:07:47):
do with it.
Exactly.
She's defended him multipletimes.
'cause even on the doc, I thinkthat Tyrell was like, it's that
guy.
It's that guy I knew I had likea bad vibe about.
And Julie's like, no, it's nothim.
Yeah.
She knows immediately it's nothim then why shouldn't, it has
nothing to do with it.
Why didn't she defend himharder?
Because they're just like, it'syour toothbrush, Julie.
It's Carla's hair tie.

(01:08:08):
It's my necklace.
Notice though, the only personto take something away from that
alter is Tyrell.
Put that in your brain and we'llcome back to it.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Because he takes his necklaceback.
But Carla doesn't take her hairtie.
No.
Or the toothbrush.
And Julie doesn't take hertoothbrush.
I didn't even clock that.
Mm-hmm.

(01:08:28):
And I wrote notes.
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
So that happens.
And then they go to find Mr.
Brooks, and this is where theyfind him dead.
Oh.
In his office with a fuckingmachete in the face.
And it's written in blood.
I still know.
I still know.
And then they bump into Estes.
So Julie sees a globe justcasually spinning in the middle
of this lobby.
And this is when Julie realizesthat this was a setup.

(01:08:51):
'cause Estes comes up and he'slike, Brasilia is the, so we
find out that the capital of brabrazilia is not in fact Rio, it
is Brasilia.
You dumb bitch.
And so they find out that thiswhole thing was a setup and
then.
Of course Estes gives us all ofthe information we need.
Apparently Ben Willis from lastmovie used to work here, used to

(01:09:14):
work here with his wife and histwo children.
We're led to believe that hekilled his wife and then he, he,
he left.
It, it's a convoluted shoehornedass thing.
It was, they, he like, he had toexplain everything within like a
minute.
I just want to know it.
When they were writing thismovie, what made them be like,
yes, this is the plot that makesthe most sense.

(01:09:35):
We're gonna go to The Bahamasand this fisherman from North
Carolina is going to have workedat this resort in The Bahamas.
It was definitely a stretch.
It's, there's like so many otherplaces they could go.
There's so many other ways.
Like, yeah, I would've been finewith the whole movie being like,
no, let's go back to where itall started.
Or if it was in Boston orsomething.

(01:09:56):
If on her college campus.
I just wanna know what did theystart with?
Did they start with, we're goingto do this in The Bahamas and
we're gonna figure out how weget there?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or we're just gonna, Ben Willis,we're gonna give a little bit of
a backstory and just somehow, Idon't know.
It's so weird how we got here.
It could have been just like oneof those things where production
just wanted a vacation.
They're like, oh, we just wantto go to a destination.

(01:10:17):
Maybe they just had like, uh,somebody owed a favor and
they're just like, you can usemy, my hotel.
Well, actually, they filmed thisin Mexico.
Mexico, yeah, I saw that.
I saw it in the cred.
It's, yeah, it's, it's weird.
But that's basically the wholething.
Everybody, Ben Willis.
Used to work at this resort.
Mm-hmm.
Killed his wife and then leftwith his children.

(01:10:38):
And now we're back.
Yeah.
And what a horrible person.
I know.
He's a fucking nightmare.
He's petty.
What did the wife do?
She probably looked at anotherman.
Not even kidding.
I'm not even kidding.
Wait a minute.
Well, does that mean thateveryone at the hotel knows what
happened?
Well, I mean, I don't know.
'cause this was a long time ago.
That's Estes.
Es is the old oldest one.

(01:10:59):
Yeah.
Olga.
I feel like Olga.
Olga might have known.
Olga.
Might've known, yeah.
Mr.
Brook.
Mr.
Brooks probably wasn't there,but he wanted to know the tea.
But he knew the tea'causebecause it all happened in the,
the rooms that they're stayingin the hotel suites.
Oh yeah.
That's who knew?
Because that's how, that's'causethey used to hear them fighting
and stuff in there.
Oh wow.
Straight people, dude.
Yeah.
Gosh.
Ruining everyone's time.
Yeah.

(01:11:19):
And then this is when, oh, Estestakes them to the little
graveyard.
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
And this is where we see, likewe see the wife's grave, and
then there's a dugout grave withfucking Julie James spray
painted on a fucking headstone.
And this is where we get herrainy, dramatic.
and she's in the rain and she'sdoing her What you, I think when

(01:11:40):
I was watching in theaters,everyone did kind of like a
giggle and a collective eyeroll.
Yeah.
Because it was just like, okay.
It's like we're doing this shitagain.
Okay, fine.
It's all, it's it, it'sobviously an homage to the first
movie, but it's done.
So cheesily.
It's very cheesily.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very cheesily.
Yeah.
Whatever.
They go back, back.
Oh, wait, I, yeah, we accept it.
Yeah.

(01:12:00):
Why not?
They go back inside.
and then we find Nancy in thecloset.
Oh yeah.
It's actually a pantry, but.
It's a closet.
She was in the closet.
She was in the closet.
Yep.
She came out with a rolling pinhandy beating the shit out of
Tyrell.
Yeah.
She's just like, you're the onethat broke into my hiding spot.

(01:12:21):
Go find your own spot to hide.
That's a New Yorker right there.
Yeah.
'cause she found all the deadbodies at this point.
So she's playing this smart,she's like, all right, I'm gonna
fucking hide.
No one's gonna hide me in here.
I'm gonna be prepared.
Say I'm not dying.
No.
But they lure her out and then,they end up in the kitchen
again.
Well, this, I, I love this linehere.
Mm-hmm.
They go to the kitchen and thenthey start arming themselves

(01:12:42):
with weapons.
And Carla finds two littleknives.
Yeah.
It's like, what are you gonnado?
Butter him Death.
It's a butter knife.
Whatcha are you gonna do?
Butter him?
Cut vegetables.
And then the next beat Tyrellsays, I'm fucking hungry.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
'cause he's, he's tired of.
So this whole time Tyrell has,he's kind of over Julie's shit.

(01:13:03):
Mm-hmm.
he just wants to have a goodvacation.
He wants to bang his girl.
Yeah.
And like, he just, like, his,his objective during this whole
vacation is just to fuck Carla.
He is, uh, that's all he wants.
He's being driven by his ID thisentire time, like his primal
self.
He wants food, he wants fuck.
And so he's like bitching in inthe,, kitchen.
He's just like, I'm tired, I'mhungry.

(01:13:25):
I'm fucking Hony and I haven'tseen this goddamn fisherman.
And as soon as he says that poorTyrell gets a hook through the
back of the neck, through histhroat.
Oh, poor guy.
I could have enjoyed it becauseit was like, well,'cause the
thing is I've working incustomer service.
Okay.
I'm used to like this guy kindof, this kind of character type

(01:13:48):
to mouth off.
Fair.
Yeah.
So, you know what I just want, Iwant, I want, I'm like, oh my
God, can you shut up?
I guess maybe it's'cause I'mattracted to him.
I'm just like, because the, thedifference between me and Carl
is I would've put out by now,the truth has been revealed.
Yeah.
The hot you have the hot Sir.
Tyrell.
Of course I do.
He's a handsome guy.

(01:14:10):
He's a very handsome guy.
He's handsome.
Yeah, he's handsome.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't like his brainthough.
I'm not there for his brain.
There's only one head that Icare about, honey.
Sorry.
As, as we've discussed, I'm, I'minto like the minds.
You're into the thinkers.
I'm into the thinkers.
Yeah.
And I'm into, I'm mean, I like abrain too, don't get me wrong,
but sometimes if I'm onvacation, I'm not there to think

(01:14:31):
and study.
Oh, I'm study.
You don't want gentle curve ofhis, I mean, see, the whole
thing would've been avoided ifthey did think like that.
But nope, nope.
He dies.
And then we get kind of a chascene.
Well, it is no.
Oh no, it, there is a chasingand this one, it's not as good
as Sarah Michelle Geller's, butit's still pretty good.
It's good, it's good.
It's, it centers brandy slashCarla.

(01:14:52):
Mm-hmm.
Because they run, they goupstairs.
Yep.
They're in the attic and theysee that the sex mirrors above
the beds in the honeymoon suitesare one way or two way.
No, two way there.
Yeah.
The CD can see, you can see downinto the beds creep.
Very, very creepy.
I wonder if Mr.
Bricks was ever up there.
Probably probably hosting sexparties and shit.

(01:15:14):
That's freaking, that's CircuitQueen.
Hopefully with consent though.
That's disgusting, otherwise.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's hot with consent.
Without consent.
It's disgusting.
But yeah.
So they're like walking throughthe beams.
Uhhuh the ceiling isn't verysecure.
No, no.
'cause they were like, whoa, youhave to step on the big beams.
Yes.
And Nancy said that I think,yes.
Step on the beams.
Follow me.
She then she knew she was upthere.
Probably.
Maybe she's the one watchingpeople.

(01:15:35):
I feel like everybody knows.
It's like the unspoken secret.
The staff.
Yeah.
Olga.
She's like, I'm gonna take abreak.
Could you imagine?
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe that's where they taketheir smoke breaks.
I don't know.
Who knows?
Either way.
Nancy knows what's up.
Nancy knows to step on the bigbeams.
Yeah.
But Carla, Carla misses thefisherman lunges at her, and

(01:15:56):
they both fall through the roofonto God.
The bed in the room down below.
Oh.
And we get another iconic shot.
This one was in the trailer too,where Carla's like running from
him and she jumps over thebalcony just as he swipes his
hook and misses her.
And she lands on the roof of agreenhouse.
I have talk, I have notes.
Oh, this is, how much time do wehave?

(01:16:17):
Okay.
I was ready.
Lay it on me.
I was like, oh my God, this is agreenhouse.
Lay it on me for the, the firstlayer is that I love that
Carla's chasing has elements ofHelen's chasing the hook, the
jumping over your nick of beinghooked with at the feet.
Oh, yeah.
You do that multiple times withCarla.
Yes.
Being up in the attic, becauseHelen pulls herself up into the

(01:16:40):
attic mm-hmm.
And broken glass.
Mm-hmm.
Lots of broken glass.
There's so much broken glass inHelen's chasing.
Mm-hmm.
So, of course, a greenhouse, ahouse full of glass.
Mm-hmm.
So she, she starts stepping onthe glass.
It's like, oh no, there's acrack.
Oh no, there's another crack.
What do I do?
I'm gonna fall backwards.
And she falls into my stompinggrounds.

(01:17:04):
Yes.
The greenhouse.
What's wrong with thisgreenhouse?
Okay, so the first thing is thatthe, that I appreciated that
the, the set designer decided todo tree ferns.
'cause that was the first fernthat I saw.
On the sides of Carla as sheemerges, which is great.
But the thing is, is that thetree fern that you highlighted

(01:17:24):
was Australian tree ferns.
You're in Brazil.
There is a Brazilian tree fern.
So you could have used thatinstead of the Australian one.
They're in The Bahamas.
Is there a Bahama tree fern?
I don't think so, but heylisten.
I'm with you there though.
Yes.
So listen, your point stillstands Brazil's closer to The

(01:17:48):
Bahamas in Australia.
Okay, so, well anyways, is thatall you got?
That was a great set.
They did have somephilodendrons, lots of palms.
Mm-hmm.
I think I saw an ABA Cola in thebackground.
That was great.
Mm-hmm.
I really liked the design.
Did you pause it and just like,take inventory?
I did.
And I had to try.
I paused it so many times inthat scene.
And then I also turned off thelights because like the lighting

(01:18:10):
was dark, so I didn't need tosee the plants.
So I turned off the lights in myliving room so I could analyze
each plant in this scene.
And it was a lovely greenhouse.
I'm glad to hear that.
It was a lovely greenhouse.
And it was a, it was an accurategreenhouse.
It was an accurate greenhouse.
It was much better than Jackblack's little, oh yeah.
No, no, no.
Just the Jack Black needed totalk to the gardener.

(01:18:31):
Okay.
Yeah.
Wasn't he the gardener though?
Oh yeah.
It's a lovely greenhouse.
Not anymore.
'cause she smashed through thatshit.
Smashed through that shit.
She falls down, she falls down,,the door is locked back into
the, into the hotel.
So, and Nancy's like franticallytrying to find like the key to
unlock her out of thegreenhouse.

(01:18:52):
Mm-hmm.
And then we get this dramaticextra as fuck shot where the
fishermen swings open the doorson the other side and birds fly.
It's me.
It's so drama.
It is so fucking drama.
And it's me coming out.
Yes.
And so instead of, uh, sincethey can't unlock the door, they

(01:19:12):
break the window and Carla herflexible ass, she just like,
fits through this tiny littlesquare.
And then like he hooks at hersneakers and she escapes.
We have a chase scene wheresomeone survives everybody.
Yay.
Good.
Because I wasn't ready for Carlato die yet.
Oh, no, no, no.
I fucking love Carla.
So they decide that they'regonna go to the storm cellar to

(01:19:34):
hide and wait everything outbecause that's where they go.
Like for emergencies.
That's what Mr.
Brooks said.
Yes.
And they find, they find all ofthe dead bodies down there,
which I think is gonna, it'slike, so when did they have the
time to bring all those deadbodies in there?
Like they displayed the bodiesmm-hmm.
And then brought them back intothe south.
That south.
Well, yeah, because he put the,he put Derek's body in the

(01:19:55):
closet.
Oh, Derek was in the closet too,I guess.
They put Derek's body in thecloset.
Oh.
Remember, I can't believe youled with like the weakest thing
and Well, maybe if you saidDerrick was in the closet, it
would've been a strongerargument.
Well, you know, this should havebeen a team assignment.
Well, it is.
That's why I said Derrick's inthe closet.
Anyway, he had to pull him outbecause he's like playing

(01:20:17):
tricks.
So he's like, okay, I'm gonnaput this for Julie.
I'm gonna take it back and I'mgonna put it down here.
'cause no one's gonna go downhere until I want them to.
Extra petty.
Ah.
But Will gets them out.
Okay.
oh, this is where shit goes fromlike zero to what the fuck?
Like what?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
So Will gets them out of thestorm cellar.
Mm-hmm.
And we see Estes has beenimpaled.

(01:20:38):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And Estes is going towards Carlaand Nancy.
Meanwhile, Julia's with Will,and she's just like, you're
covered in blood, but I can'tfind a wound.
And Nancy knew something was upthough.
Of course Nancy so did Becausethey kept, they kept, yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Both of them did.
Yeah, absolutely.
What were we gonna say?
All right.
Well anyway Estes is impaled.

(01:20:59):
He unfortunately falls on top ofNancy.
Oh.
And the fisherman comes in andshoves the whatever was Impaling
Estes into Nancy.
Ugh.
Rest in peace.
That's so sad.
That one made me super sad.
I know, but you know what?
I'm glad that they left thisworld together.
Yeah.
Embraced.
Embraced by each other,unfortunately.
And then Carla, he like swipesat Carla and she like flies back

(01:21:22):
through yet more glass.
And she's out.
She's done.
She is done.
Meanwhile, will is just like,don't you get it, Julie?
Oh my God, this will Benson.
Ben.
Ben.
So dumb.
I fucking hate that.
Oh my God.
I had to re, I had to rewindthat scene just to make sure

(01:21:45):
that I hated it.
I hated it right away.
I can't believe that was thejustification of Benson.
That's so lame.
He could have just said, I'mBen's son.
Yeah.
you know, he was, he had thatlocked in, ready to go.
He was waiting for it.
I, he was like, I'm gonna gether, I'm gonna get her, I'm
gonna have it right in front ofher face the whole time.
My last name's gonna be Benson.
Ooh.
And when I reveal it, it's gonnabe a mic drop.

(01:22:06):
But here's the thing, like thisguy, this guy apparently is
smart enough to do this radiothing to book four tickets To
The Bahamas.
But yet, when it comes to a, a,a, the reveal, that's what he
has.
That's it.
Yeah.
So he snags, Julie drags her tothe fucking, the open grave.
The open grave.

(01:22:27):
Oh.
And Ray shows up finally.
cause all this time, all thistime, it's been intercut.
I forgot.
Oh God.
I forgot about Ray.
It was so stupid.
The side quest.
The side quest.
The side quest, because he liketrades in the ring to get a gun.
And then he gets on the boat andhe sh he shows up and he takes a
bus too.
Yeah.
It's like, which is okay, Iwant, I, I wrote this in my
notes somewhere.
Okay.
At this point I'm not evenlooking at my notes.

(01:22:47):
Okay.
But there is this moment, if youremember when he's on the bus in
the old lady's looking at him.
Yes.
Uhhuh.
What does that mean?
I mean, he looks like shit.
He looks like shit.
He's wounded.
He has a gun.
I'd be looking too.
I don't think it means anything.

(01:23:09):
I just think some old lady isjust like kids these days going
out looking like that.
Back in my day, we covered ourwounds before we took the bus to
The Bahamas.
Where is she going?
Where is she going?
I don't know.
Or just have the answers to, Iwish I had the answers to that.

(01:23:29):
We'll find out next time.
Anyway, Ray shows up.
Okay, shows up finally.
Fucking, Ben Willis is there andhe's just like, I'm gonna kill
you.
Good girl.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then he doesn't, heaccidentally kills his son.
Oh yeah.
And then Julie shoots him.
And he, I love this line.
Where is it?
Just fucking die.

(01:23:52):
Yep.
And then he falls into that opengrave that was meant for her.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
And then the storm goes away.
Yeah.
But what's, okay, so the, theinteresting visual, if there's
any like Star Wars nerds, notme, but go on.
I'm sure there's some out there.
I'm not as, okay.
So, uh, Ben Willis' body fallsinto the open grave.
Mm-hmm.
And like all the dirt and stuffis like cemented around him.

(01:24:14):
Uhhuh doesn't it remind peopleof the Hans solo carbon freeze
from the Empire strikes back.
Never seen it.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
Me neither get in the comments.
But I've dated enough nerdy guysthat they show me that picture.
And so I know that is areference to that.
And so I did some more hot girlresearch.
Oh.
Mm.

(01:24:34):
Yeah.
We didn't get any hot girlresearch in this movie.
No, we did it, but that's why Idid it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We did it.
You did it.
I just watched the movie andtalk shit.
That's my version of Hot GirlResearch Apparently this like
carbon-free thing is supposed topreserve like people's lives, so
it's not, they're not like dead.
They're, they could come back atany time.

(01:24:56):
Oh, so you think that's why you,because it's so specific.
So maybe if it was like, maybehe's like a Star Wars geek and
he's like, oh, the Star War willget this reference.
He's gonna come back later.
Maybe I put him in this like hotsolo carbon freeze.
Yeah.
But even then, like it couldjust be spoiler alert and, and
I'll always know what you didlast summer, which I'm kind of

(01:25:20):
excited to watch, but also notexcited to watch.
Oh God.
Awful.
I saw the trailer.
I haven't watched it.
Yeah.
I just watched the trailer afterwatching this.
Yeah.
And I was just like, oh my God.
Cry baby.
This is, this is gonna be a hardone.
This one's gonna be hard.
Yeah.
This is hard.
Yep.
Apparently it's a zombiefisherman.
What?
Yeah.
So anyway, the storm is over.

(01:25:42):
Ben Willis is, uh, being frozen,I guess.
Star Wars being out there.
And then guess what?
Our girl, Carla, that bitch isalive.
I'm good girl.
Yeah.
But also let's, I'm made ofsteel.
But also, let's note, there'salso a very, very beautiful
plant in that closing scene.
A ta vari gated tapioca tree.

(01:26:02):
A variated tapioca tree.
A very vari gated tapioca tree.
Uhhuh.
And it's standing proudly.
And that is one of the hardestplants I have ever taken care
of.
Really.
Like even my mom, when she sawthat I had one, she's like, wow,
that's such a hard plant to takecare of.
And they had it on set.
They had a huge one.
Yeah.
Huge.
Do you think that was just likepart of the scenery in Mexico?
Or do you think they broughtthat in?

(01:26:24):
I would like to.
I would like to think the green.
The green.
Which is, which is apparentlythe, the, the production member
in charge of the plants.
Oh.
Was like, oh no, this one issymbolic.
Oh, that a delicate plant cansurvive.
Survive a storm.
Okay, I see that.
Also, I could just be readinginto things way too deeply, but

(01:26:44):
that's what we're doing.
You, you said that Derek, thedog hand was gay.
Oh.
So we read into things deeply.
Mama.
I'm surprised you could read itall.
Me too.
Oh.
Anyway, we get another fake outending.
Julie and Ray are married.
They're living their littlestraight people life and Yeah,

(01:27:05):
he also uses the electronictoothbrush.
Oh, I love this thing.
It's so stupid.
But he does this when it'selectronic toothbrush, you just
do this'cause it's electronic.
Yeah, but you can still move itcan't you?
I guess.
But it defeats the purpose.
Does it?
Does anyone own an electrictoothbrush?
Mm, my roommate does, but I'venever asked how she uses it.
Maybe we should ask her.
I'm archaic.
I use a classic manualtoothbrush stick and straw.

(01:27:28):
Yeah.
Stick and straw baby.
Yes.
I actually just use a root, Idon't even use a toothbrush.
And you call meal.
It's cool.
Anyway, so that is, I still knowwhat you did last summer.
Um, I don't have as in-depth aqueer analysis on this one as I
do the other one.
'cause I, I don't know, I don'tfeel, we've talked a little bit
about like, we've talked aboutit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:27:48):
What, what things are gay andstuff, and it's just, it's more
of the same that guilt, the BenWillis is coming back.
You can't go on vacation withoutrunning to a fucking faggot
who's gonna read you for filth?
Like, that's basically all itis.
You know, i, I enjoy the morequeer characters in this one.
Yeah.
I feel it's a little bit moreexplicit, in my opinion.

(01:28:10):
It's less grounded for sure.
I feel like the last movie wasso grounded in like the
Broodiness mm-hmm.
Of it all.
Whereas this one, honestly, Idon't understand why so many
people dislike it as much asthey do.
I enjoyed it.
It's not a good movie.
No, no, no, no.
But it's not a bad movie.
It's not a bad movie.
I would not 8%.
Yeah.
I wouldn't give it 8% guys.
I think.
Come on.
It's still a fun watch.

(01:28:30):
It's a good watch.
And with Brandy, I love it.
We have, like you said, there'sso many more fun characters
here.
Mm-hmm.
So I still stand by that.
The, the part of the queeranalysis is that the hotel staff
is a bunch of queers.
I love that versus.
Heterosexual.
So it's kind of like theoutsiders versus like, you're
coming to my territory now andyou fuck it up.

(01:28:51):
Yeah.
And of course all of the, all ofthe gays die.
Typical bury the gaze.
So there's that.
Oh yeah.
All the gays do die.
Mm-hmm.
By if, if your theory iscorrect, every single queer
person in this movie died.
That's, that's fucked up.
Yeah.
So there's that, that's, I stillknow what you did last summer.

(01:29:12):
Yes.
I am, like we already said, Idon't know.
Part of me is looking forward tothe next one.
Part of me is dreading the nextone.
How long is it?
I don't know.
Hopefully not long.
And I'm gonna have to watch itmultiple times, unfortunately.
So could you imagine if this hadhigher ratings than this one?
I would scream Well, we'll findout in the next episode.

(01:29:33):
I'm gonna pull up all that, allthe dirty, deep, all the dirts.
So, yes.
Richard, where can our listenersfind you?
You could find me on the gram atLord Fierce.
On TikTok at Plant Daddy MD orcheck out my website, plant
daddy md.com.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
And you can of course find mecrybaby at crying in public
that's crying without the G inunder public.

(01:29:56):
And give horror icon of Followbabes.
That's horror icon.
W-H-O-R-R-O-R, icon Pod on theInstagram.
So, join us next time for what'sprobably going to be, a really
shitty movie with lots of shittalking probably.
I mean, the podcast is stillyoung, but I'm anticipating it
being the worst movie I've everseen.

(01:30:16):
So join us for that.
And until then, cuties, don't bescared unless you're into that
sort of thing.
Hey, bye.

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