15. I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer (2006)

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What is your book of Well,hanging out with your Smartest
and Funniest Friend.
You know me, I'll kill anybody,but.

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Brace yourself, cuties, andwelcome to Horror Icon, your
queer playground for all thingsscary, sexy, and.
Stupid emphasis on stupid thisweek.
Emphasis on stupid.
You know me, I'm Cry baby.
The spooky slut from yourWettest Nightmares.
And I am Richard Brooklyn'sfavorite plant daddy.
Yeah, baby.
Mm-hmm.

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and yeah, this is, this is atrain wreck.
We are gonna be petty as fuck.
Today.
We're gonna be pettier than thefishermen today.
I, I have many questions.
Yeah.
I have many questions and Idon't think there are many
answers.
I don't think so either.
I genuinely don't.
So, Obviously, so we're workingour way through the, I know you

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did summer franchise and we hitthe.
Third movie that a lot of peopledon't know about because it went
straight to video and for goodfucking reason.
I'm shook that it even went tovideo.
It should not even be seen.
It's, oh my gosh, mama.
I'm just curious if anyonewatched this.
Yeah.
Aside from us.

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I'm very curious too, if anylisteners out there have already
watched this, please let usknow.
Us know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like, we, we might need asupport group for this.
Yeah.
And, and also if you watched itfor this podcast, if you watched
it before this episode.
I'm sorry.
I literally texted Richard,many, many times this weekend.

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'cause we both did our watchthis weekend.
Mm-hmm.
I fucking spent money on thisshit and I'm so mad about that.
I'm, I'm mad about it too.
I want my$4 back.
Yeah.
I rented it for$4.
'cause it's not streaminganywhere.
No.
You have to rent it or buy it.
Which is a scam.
It is a total scam.
It's total scam.
Like, I'm wondering if theactors that were involved with
this, anyone who was involvedwith this project, they just got

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like their residual check andthey went, oh my God.
Someone watched it.
Somebody watched it.
Someone watched it.
Like that is the true war.
I got my 3 cents.
Yeah.
Oh goodness.
I was watching it and I textedyou.
I'm like, Hey.
I am sorry.
I said that a couple of times,and I always go into things with
a very, very open mindset.
I texted you, I think a weekbefore, after we wrap the, the

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last episode, I'm like, you knowwhat?
I'm gonna watch this for a fewtimes.
I like warming myself up.
I like absorbing the movie firstand then doing my notes 15
minutes into this movie.
I'm not watching it again.
I do not wanna watch this movieever again.
I feel you.
I watched it two times.
Oh.
Well here's the thing.
When I, when I prepare for thispodcast, I watch every movie at

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least three times.
Mm-hmm.
Because I'll do my initial watchthrough for enjoyment, for shit
some gigs.
Yeah.
If I've never seen it before, orif it's been a minute since I've
watched it, I'll just kind of nopressure.
Just watch it as a watcher.
Yeah.
You want to, you want to enjoythe film.
Mm-hmm.
You enjoy the film.
And then, okay, I'm gonna gointo it with more critical eyes.
I'm gonna take my notes.
I'm going to, starthypothesizing on themes and

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this, that, and the other.
Just start thinking what I wantto bring up and what I want to
talk about.
And then my third watch throughis just to kind of paint those
pictures a bit more in my head,because I think the first one I
watched, maybe Three or fourtimes.
Mm-hmm.
I was into it.
Yeah.
Like that 48 hour rental, I wasusing all 48 hours.
Absolutely.
Same, same, same, same.
Second one I was also, I wasactually into it.
Mm-hmm.
It wasn't as joyous as the firstone, just because I love the

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first one so much.
First one's great.
Yeah.
But I definitely watched, Istill know what you did, LS
ever.
Maybe two to three times.
Same.
Two to three times.
But this one, this one, I wantto go back in time to undo what
I did.
Yeah.
It's, and everybody, it's not,don't, don't fool yourselves.
'cause I went into it again withlike an open mind.
Yeah.
I'm like, you know what, I'mgonna find some joy in this.

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Yes.
You know?
'cause I do enjoy shitty movies.
I do.
Same here.
Like we've talked about it.
Like trashy Santa Santa Slay.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, the Bong movie.
Evil Bong.
Yeah.
Evil Bong, leprechaun.
I even consider as kind of like,come on here.
Yeah.
100%.
This movie is not even worththat.
It is so bad.
It's bad.

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It's not so bad.
It's good.
It's not so bad.
It's good and then it's badagain, it.
Just stays sub pleasure.
Like the whole time.
The whole time the whole thing.
I, My roommate stumbled into it.
And my roommate is an actor.
Poor roommate.
My roommate did too.
She's a director.
Oh my God, that's so funny.
Yes.
So both our roommates work inlike film.
He stumbled into it and ofcourse we were ripping it at

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first, but you know, like aftera while you have to make sense
of the world.
So he was like, you know what,this is like, there's some
meaning behind it.
And I was like, Zach, do notgive meaning to shit.
Yeah.
Do not try to justify this bullcrap.
This is literally crap.
Mm-hmm.
But it was that bad, uh, that itmade people want to justify why

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we're continuing to continuingto watch this.
Oh, not my roommate.
She, if you're watching, which Iknow you probably are.
Was sitting right next to me andI had already the day before
sent her, just a quick recordingof a scene because it was framed
so poorly.
It was so bad.
And I sent it to her and shelaughed.
And then she came back inyesterday while I was rewatching

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it, and she's silent.
And then out of nowhere, theacting in This is atrocious.
This is shit.
And she gets up and leaves.
What was, what was the scenethat you were looking at
curious?
Um, it was the scene when, afterRoger gets killed at the ski
resort, which one is Roger?

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Exactly, exactly.
It was really hard for me to getany kind of character names.
Mm-hmm.
Because I don't even think theysay it that many times.
Only a few times if that it's.
I just, I, I wrote, I wrote downon my notes, which I did not
bring because I wouldn't,there's no point.
There's no point.
It's fine.
I just wrote down like thephysical descriptions, like

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blonde dude, blonde.
Yep.
Blonde dude.
Uh, dark haired, short hair,like dark blue eyed boy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get that.
He was the one that triedoffering him, or, well, that
wrote the note that he was goingto end everything.
Yes, yes.
I just can't live with a secretanymore.
It was that scene when they findthe note and they're just like,
he killed himself.

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Oh yeah.
It was bad.
Anyway, all that to be said,everybody, I'm a devout
professional and we are going tocover this movie.
Did you do your crybaby?
Of course I did.
Oh, yes.
Also, point of note, I am not indrag right now.
Everybody.
I am.
100% in my mask, presenting themboth form.
I'm not even wearing just likeany kind of, because sometimes

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if I'm not wearing makeup, I'llstill put on some eyeliner or
some eyeshadow or something.
Yeah, no, the only thing I'mwearing is uh, lip balm.
I literally just rolled out ajiujitsu practice and came over
here.
Richard is so sweaty right now.
Richard is so freaking sweaty.
So if that's something that getsyou going, everybody watch the
video.
You can toot it, zoom in on themtitties because they are supple

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and moist.
And if you're not, if you'rewatching Richard, just flex
them.
Oh goodness.
I'm gonna have to put this onebehind a paywall now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe we could make some moneyoff list.
I know.
We'll probably make more moneyoff from that than this movie,
honestly.
Yeah.
If you, if you, this movie costs3 99 to make.

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I should be making more thanthat.
Actually.
I have that in my bitch.
The pot.
We're gonna talk about that.
We are gonna talk about thebudget.
But first, let's go into ourcry.
Baby breakdown, everybody.
Ooh, yay.
We're gonna break this down.
Unhappy 4th of July, cuties.
And nothing says America likeanother group of stupid teens
making terrible decisions.
But this time we're in Colorado,notorious for its booming

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fishing economy, where a groupof Abercrombie rejects, pulls a
prank at the local carnivalinvolving a fake hook handed
killer.
It's all fun and cynical gigglesuntil, oops, somebody actually
dies.
And guess what, what?
Instead of calling the police,they decide the secret dies with
them.
Because you know, college dreamsand one of them might be on

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American Idol someday, So flashforward one year later and
wouldn't you know it, somebodyknows what they did last summer?
cue the anonymous texts.
Strobe light editing thatgenuinely belongs on like a Papa
Roach video And the best part isnone of these kids are connected
to the first movie at all.
Not a single one.
Not a single one.

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This is pure generational traumaby a franchise cash grab.
Now, one by one, the teens startdying in underwhelming ways and
the acting gets increasingly galGadot.
And just when you think itcouldn't get any weirder, the
killer is revealed to be a ghostzombie.
Ben Willis.
Yes, everybody.

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Ben Willis from the first twomovies is now a ghost zombie.
A local urban legend with ahook, a grudge, and a dream of
punishing stupid people who lieabout manslaughter.
So who survives and who even arethese people?
And honestly who thought, ah,yes, this is where we need to go
with a franchise.

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We're gonna dive into all ofthat with, I'll always know what
we did last summer because theway my show is structured, we
have to, this is your fault,this is my blame.
I blame you.
Like I said, sorry everybody,this is why we're here.
that was probably moreentertaining than the movie, and
that's not me jerking myselfoff.
Honestly, I knew synopsis tounderstand what happened.

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I had to do timestamps on mynotes.
Mm-hmm.
So I could understand my ownsanity.
Yeah.
I felt like I was in prisonwatching this movie.
I was pacing in my living room,holding my head like, when is
this over?
When is this over?
Yeah.
This movie feels so fuckinglong.
This movie is shorter than thefirst one, but it feels like a
half an hour longer than thefirst one.
It's so fucking long.

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So many of the scenes arepointless.
I think that's why you felt thatway.
I literally, in half of mynotes, it was like every fucking
scene.
I would write down, what's thepoint of this?
Why are we in this scene?
Why are we seeing this rightnow?
What does this have to do withanything?
It's all the same repetitivehoopla, blah bullshit.
And this film is everything thatis wrong with horror movies in
the early two thousands.

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I feel like this movie is justwrong with what is movies in
general.
That's true.
Which there's like this, it, it,it's, I'm not a, a film studies
major or anything fancy likethat, but I know that I was
uncomfortable.
I, and not in a fun way.
Not in a fun way.
In a fun way.
No.
I was like, something,something.
Don't sit right here.
Something's wrong.
It was, yeah it was.
So, alright, well let's bitchthe pot a little bit.

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Maybe we can get some tea thatcan help us understand a little
bit more Why this movie sucksass so bad.
Cry baby.
I'm depending on you right now.
Oh gosh.
I don't know if I can do this.
So first off, you mentioned thatthis movie was made for like$3
and 99 cents.
It might as well have been, Thisfilm had a budget of$8 million.
I feel like that's a lot still.
So here's the thing.
It's in the grand scheme ofmovie making, it's not a lot.

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It's not, it's not in the earlyodds, it had more buying power
than it does now, but 8 millionis still quite a small budget
for, for films.
Well, we definitely know itwasn't given to the prop
department.
Well, no, and here's my thing, Itend to be a little bit more
forgiving with low budget films,right?
Because I've worked on like amicro budget horror film.
I know how challenging it canbe.

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However, I'm gonna point outthat both Seed of Chucky and
Cult of Chucky each only had abudget of$5 million, which had
significantly less buying powerthan the$8 million that they had
to make this movie in 2004.
Mm-hmm.
Or six or whatever year it wasmade.
somebody needs to teach themfiscal responsibility because
they did not spend that money.

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Well, they didn't spend it wellat all.
Where did it go?
Where Colorado, they just boughtColorado for$8 million.
Oh gosh.
No, it was, it was theAbercrombie uh worker.
The polos.
Yeah, it was the polos, thewardrobe.
Exactly.
It was the polos, the littledenim cutoffs.
That's where the budget wasactually.
The whole movie was just backedby Abercrombie.
Wait a minute.

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Was this just a ploy toadvertise for Abercrombie?
It couldn't possibly be.
No.
'cause there was also like alittle hot topic reject in there
too.
Oh, there was a hot topic.
The styling on this is so bad.
Everybody.
We're going back, we're goingback to the mall.
We're gonna, yeah, we're goingback to the mall.
Girl.
Anyway, that was the budget andI just, I have no idea what they
did with that money.

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now this, the movie, the thirdmovie in this franchise was
originally announced in like theyear 2000.
And it was going to bring backJennifer Love Hewitt.
Oh, Brandy and Freddie PrinceJr.
Oh.
But it sat in developmentalhealth for so many years.
They just decided to scrap itand then for some reason, this
is where this was better.
This was the best that theycould do.

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I just wanna know the processthat brought us here.
What was it that they weretrying to do with Jay Love
Brandy and Freddie Prince Jr.
That they were just like, thisis so bad we have to go here to
Colorado.
To Colorado, because they couldhave just made it in the, I
don't know, the same location orNew York something.
I feel like New York would'vebeen a great setting for this,

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anywhere that actually has acoast or not for this, I feel
like New York would've been agreat setting for, The third
movie.
Mm-hmm.
You know, Julie goes to New Yorkto survive her former best
friend Helen and Yeah.
Yeah.
And all this other bullshit, youknow, she's just some of like,
just some kind of progression ofJulie's life.
'cause she's the, the main, themain character of this

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franchise.
Mm-hmm.
It's like child's play.
Without Chucky, it wouldn't makeno sense.
Exactly.
I mean, like, we have thefisher, but even the fishermen
is questionable here.
Yeah.
We'll, we'll get into that.
Yeah.
Ugh.
I do kind of want to live in theworld where they follow through
with a third follow up with JayLove Brandy and Freddy Prince.
'cause I feel like even thoughit probably would've been bad,

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it would've been way better thanthis.
Oh, absolutely.
And there would've been at leastsome sort of through line.
So.
Another reason why I think thisis so bad, the director, his
name is Sylvain White.
He's a French director.
He was brought in last minutebecause the other director, I
guess it didn't work out.
Mm.
Michael D.
Weiss.
Oh, he was fired.
I don't know why I tried to findthe team.
Nobody would tell me.

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Maybe'cause he said This is ahorrible movie.
We shouldn't make it.
Maybe Chopped.
But the director that ended upstaying with the project only
had two weeks to prep.
Oh yeah.
That's two weeks to cast thefilm.
Mm-hmm.
Two weeks.
Two weeks to prep the film, todo all of the pre-production,
like, no wonder it looks sohalf-baked.
'cause it wasn't even put in theoven.

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It's not even baked.
It's raw and not the fun kind ofraw either.
No, no, no, no.
This is not like a, a deliciousraw vegan cheesecake.
Oh.
That's the kind of raw you'rethinking of.
Yikes.
Hey, I think they're delicious.
No, they're great.
They're really tasty.
They're great.
I just have a terrible dirtymind.
Anyway, I will trust you on yourtasty vegan raw cheesecake.

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Thank you.
I'll actually, I would try it.
It's good.
Speaking of casting thecharacter Zoe, she's the
brunette everybody.
The brunette, okay.
Yes.
There, i I, I am glad there wasone brunette in this cast of all
blonde people.
That's right.
They were all blonde.
They were all blonde.
Yeah.
It was really hard to figure outwho was who.

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Mm-hmm.
Because like two of the guyswere blonde and blue eyed, and
they also wear like the samefashions.
Mm-hmm.
Like the only way I couldseparate them was one had a
polo, one had an Ed HardyT-shirt, and one one worked for
the police department.
Was he even blonde?
No.
That he worked, uh, he worked atthe resort during the off
season.

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Oh wait, no, that was Roger.
No wait.
There was a resort.
It was a ski town.
Oh.
Why do you think there were skilifts and gondolas and shit?
There were ski lifts.
I checked out, uh, obviously Ichecked out, obviously.
Um, no, they do all look verymuch the same.
So we have a brunette, her name,the character's name is Zoe.
Zoe.
Okay.
Which is such an early twothousands name to give a
character by the way.
They, I guess cycled throughactresses.

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There was one who was signed onfor the project, but then she
left.
And then there was another onewho couldn't come through
because of the events ofHurricane Katrina.
Oh.
So finally they landed on, ToriDeVito, who's the one that plays
her now.
Um, but she's good friends withthe, one of the people that was
originally cast.
that's another reason why Idon't think it's that good.
'cause it's like they could naildown the casting of a character

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who, the way they edited this.
It felt like the main characteruntil she died, and not in the
fun Drew Barrymore or psychokind of way.
It was like you know that she'sprobably more interesting than
the rest of these people becauseshe's brunette and you're just
sticking on all of her footageuntil she's gone.
That's how it felt.
Anyway, Speaking of all,everybody being blonde.

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Yes.
The poster, did you look at themovie poster for this?
No.
Okay, so the movie poster forthis, it's like every other You
know, nineties, early twothousands movie poster hot teens
and a v formation with theprotagonist in the front and
they're all in the back.
Mm.
You know exactly the Yeah, yeah.
They did it for screen.
It's a very like, like, uh,kinda star warsie or yeah.
the first thing I'm thinking ofis like the final destination

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poster.
Exactly.
A final destination scream.
That it's a very commoncomposition for horror movie
posters around this time period.
Oh, yeah.
Scream'cause like Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Goes face in the back and thatCampbell in the front.
Okay.
I, I, exactly.
Yes, yes.
I can imagine this.
Exactly.
So there's four characters,three girls.
One guy, one of these girls issome random blonde girl who
literally is in this movie for acollective 30 seconds.

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Why is she on the poster?
I, I sat there literally for 20minutes figuring out, I'm like,
who is this person?
The actress's name is like star,lat, star, LA Point, star Lat,
something like that.
She's like a model actress,whatever.
Of course she is.
And they, I don't know why theyslapped her on the poster.
They didn't put the blonde guythat, like the boyfriend, the

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fucking kolby, the, the asshole,the Abercrombie.
He's not on the poster.
He's not, no.
He's like a central character.
He is a central character.
Instead of putting a centralcharacter on this poster, they
put somebody who was in themovie for legitimately 30
seconds.
She has like maybe two lines.
And she's only in the film thefirst two scenes.
What is right.

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I'm not, they're just like, youknow what?
We need another hot blonde onthe on, on the cover here.
'cause there's not enough hotblondes in this movie.
Oh my God.
It's, yeah.
It makes no sense to me.
Isn't that weird?
Maybe I should make movies.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Alright, so let's get into itsratings.
It got a 3.3 out of 10 on IMDB.
That's very generous.
That is very generous.

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It's very generous.
I read through some of thecomments I feel like some people
were trolling.
Some people were like, oh myGod, this is the best movie
ever.
10.
What?
You know how the internet canbe?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it was just one ofthose.
Did you, did you write any ofthem?
I wrote some for RottenTomatoes.
So for Rotten Tomatoes I got a20% popcorn meter, which is the
audience score, which is alsovery generous.
That's very high.
I have two bad in one.

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Good review.
Okay.
I agree with this one.
This movie started awful andthen went downhill.
It looked like it was filmed bya student in community college.
That is also a very generousstatement.
That's very generous doll.
Now he's a zombie.
No Love Hewitt Party of five wasso good, but doing.

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Be, I love that review.
And then somebody rated it fivestars on Rotten Tomatoes and
they were like, I'll always knowwhat you did last summer, unless
of course I forget, which mostlikely I will.
So dumb, so dumb.
It got a 0%, tomato meter,though it's a 0% raw tomato
meter.
That that is appropriate.
Yeah, that is appropriate.

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And somebody said not bad enoughto be good.
And somebody just said somebodykilled the Gordon's fishermen
already.
That's the best one.
Yeah.
Oh my God, that's the best one.
It's so, it is not criticallyacclaimed at all.
And I feel like the people whosay that they like this movie
are trolling the rest of us.
Yeah.
Like you're, you're being meannow.
Yeah.
It's like the people who aretrying to be counter because

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they like being counter maybethey were part of this movie
maybe, or honestly, I'm notgonna lie, as a Gemini,
sometimes I'll just like fuckwith people and I'll like, oh my
God, that was great.
What are you talking about?
Oh, what are you talking about?
That movie is phenomenal I'll besuper sarcastic, but I'll
convince people that I'm notYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I'll just kind of see howlong they go with it.
So, oh my god.
I can kind of get that.

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Maybe if someone's just likebeing a playful little troll.
But I guess it's, It's not goodthough at all.
Anybody who says it is, I dogenuinely question their
choices.
Thoughts before we move into ourcharacters, let's get this over
with, let's get this over with.
Alright, so our characters, wehave Amber, our protagonist.
She's the blonde one.
Amber, okay.
Our, our blonde, final girl.

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All right.
She's a photographer andeveryone thinks that she's gonna
be rich and successful becauseof her photography, which we
don't see any of.
No.
She just has a camera, whichhonestly, I don't know why it
doesn't play into anything.
Whatever.
People, hobbies don't have to becentral to the plot.
I don't care.
We have Zoe, who is the altgirly, she's styled as if she is

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working at a hot topic.
Mm-hmm.
All the time.
Her belts are thick, And she's asinger in a band.
Yes.
Yes.
We have Kolby, who is the Polowearing, like frat bro.
Mm-hmm.
He is Amber's boyfriend.
He's one year older than Amber.
He's played by, I, uh, theactor's name is like David
something or other who was inFinal Destination two.
Did you find See, finaldestination too?

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I did fi see Final Destination.
So he was the blonde guy thatdies first in that movie with
the fire escape.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So that, that guy.
Played, Kolby, ah, yeah, he isso much better in Final
Destination two than he is inthis movie.
We have Lance, who is our Carneygame running love interest.
Okay.

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He's the one that wears.
I think Ed Hardy is, is he, doeshe have the chain?
Does he have the He's the onethat has the chain and he has
the chain.
The one leather wristband andthe motorcycle.
Okay, got it, got it, got it.
The early OTTs, bad boy who'slike sensitive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was a skater boy.
See you later, boy.
A thousand percent.
I wish we would see him later.
No, I don't wanna see him later.

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We have Roger, who I, I wrotedown, he fixes ski lifts and
suffers a lot.
Okay.
He is our, he's a crybaby bitch.
And not in a fun way, Roger.
Exactly.
We'll get there.
We have pj, he's the sheriff'sson.
Okay.
That Yeah, I remember him.
Yeah.
He's the one that dies at thebeginning.
Spoiler alert.
Oh, and then we have DebbieHaner, who is a ki, he's like a

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kind of a creepy officer.
I think he's obsessed withAmber.
He's the old dude, right?
No, he's the younger dude.
The one that's just like, if youneed anything or if you have to
get anything off your chest,call me.
Oh yeah, that's, yeah.
That creepy predatorymotherfucker.
He is one of the red herrings.
There's a bunch of red herringsin this movie for no fucking
reason.
We have Sheriff Davis.

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Yes, he's PJ's dad.
That's the old dude.
Yeah, that's the old dude.
Also a red herring.
And then I wrote down, who thefuck is Kelly?
She's on the poster.
and then we have Zombie BenWillis.
Uh huh And he grew his handback.
He has both hands in this movie.
He does.
Yeah.
Which is great.
So, those are our characters.
We're just gonna do a quick runthrough of this.

(22:58):
Like, I don't think we need togo through a lot.
This takes place in a towncalled Broken Ridge in Colorado.
Is it a real place?
No.
I don't know.
Have you ever been to Colorado?
No, I haven't.
I haven't.
I've been to, I've been to Utah.
I've been, I'm from Nevada.
Okay.
In California.
I've been Arizona.
I haven't gone, I've never goneup.
I've never gone to likeColorado.
Well, Colorado's more east, Iguess.

(23:19):
But because I always imagine,like from, from what I've seen
of Top Chef Uhhuh color,Colorado is this beautiful
place.
Yeah.
But somehow when they, thissetting here is not beautiful.
It's kind of gross.
It is.
It, I mean, it does kind ofcapture a little bit.
Of the feeling of small town in,because the West coast, anybody

(23:41):
who's on like the West coast,especially in states like
Nevada, Utah, Colorado, there'sso much space and there's a lot
of small towns pepperedthroughout these, whether it be
like small towns that are likelittle trucker towns or like
little abandoned mining towns.
Yeah.
Or towns like this, which arelike an industry town for ski

(24:02):
resorts ski and it's their onseason is winter and their off
season is not Ah.
But like in terms of thesprawled out kind of gross
nature of some of these smalltowns, they did get that a
little bit on the head.
But also the way that they shotthis film, I can't really get a
firm grasp on the setting andwhat the whole town as a whole

(24:22):
feels.
'cause they only show smalllittle places, like a little bit
of a barn, a little bit of acemetery.
Mm-hmm.
Zoe's little rock shack.
And then.
Wherever the fucking finaletakes place.
But it was so hard to even focusin on what things are because
the camera angle keeps shiftingevery single second.
This was literally shot like amusic video.

(24:44):
Oh, it was shot like a musicvideo.
Oh, I didn't even think aboutthat.
Yeah, it was shot like a musicvideo.
Yes.
A really bad music video.
And I went in to see if thedirector came from a music video
background.
No, he's just French.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, uh, like I said, this filmis very two thou, it's like a, a
time capsule of the twothousands, but of like, all of
the bad stuff, very bad, likevery, very bad.

(25:05):
The writing in this is terrible.
You know what, I will say the,the opening credits kind of got
me a little, like excited alittle bit.
I like the music is nice, Iguess, because it's a little
It's like, it, it's like, it,it's a little unsettling, I
guess.
It's unsettling.
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, great.
I was not expecting it tocontinue for a hundred minutes.
No, this, the, the credits arevery much the style that this

(25:28):
entire movie is shot in, whichis choppy jump cuts, strobe
lights and off kilter angles,very skewed.
It's on a hel handheld camera.
Yeah.
It's, it's so shaky.
It is.
So that, that.
So it opens up Yes.
With these shaky credits.
And it's the 4th of July.
Oh yeah, it's the 4th of July.
And they're at like a Menlo,Colorado.

(25:49):
They're at like a theme, a themepark.
It's like a, um, a festival.
It's like a carnival.
A carnival.
Like a little carnival.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know, they, they're justlike, oh yeah, the fishermen he
punishes people who keep dirtylittle secrets.
Especially teenagers.
Yeah.
They like scare each other withthat.
And then all of a sudden afisherman jumps out of nowhere
and starts chasing them, andthey're like screaming.

(26:10):
And Colby gets slashed on thearm, but like, no one at this,
uh, carnival is reacting.
Just them.
Did you notice that?
Just that Yeah.
Everyone's just like, huh.
Like Al already.
I'm like, wait a minute.
If there's gonna be like a crazyposer killer running around.
Mm-hmm.
You would think just like thedetail from the director be
like, okay, well everyone shouldbe running away from the sky.

(26:30):
But it's only those group offriends that are running away
from the sky and everyone elseis just being at the carnival.
Yeah.
Playing the game.
Still eating the hot dogs.
Yeah.
It's, it's so inconsequential tothe rest of the town.
Which is funny because thiswhole thing was meant to prank
the town.
This is a prank.
I feel pranked.
Yeah, I feel pumped.
Yeah.
This whole thing is a prank.

(26:51):
Their friend PJ is like askateboarder and they're just
like, oh, wouldn't it be funnyif we convinced the town that
you know, the fisherman wastrying to kill us, and you can
skateboard off the top of thislike really tall building.
We'll lay out this little threeby five mat that you can land on
that's like an inch thick andyou'll totally be fine.
Wouldn't that be great?
It was so dumb.
Like the, the skateboard tricksduring the opening like

(27:11):
sequence.
Also very early two thousands.
The Tony Hawk.
Era.
Yeah.
He was a skater boy.
Yeah.
And he said, see you later, boy,because he dies.
So what happens is, like, helands on this tractor because
somebody moved the mats and hegets impaled on a tractor in a
very unrealistic way.
Yeah.
It's like a perfect circle inhis torso, but the, the

(27:34):
smokestack that he lands on isso not a perfect circle.
I was, I, I wanted to leave fiveminutes in.
Five minutes in, I actuallystarted cleaning my kitchen,
which is my thing.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
You do, you clean your kitchen.
I do my thing.
I'm like, you know, I was likescrubbing the countertop.
I'm like, oh, wait a minute.
There's a death here.
Mm-hmm.
I'm gonna continue cleaning.

(27:54):
There is.
so he dies.
It was an accident, and theyfall into the usual conversation
of like, well, we can't tellanybody you, we wanna go to
college and Zoe, you're gonna beon American Idol someday.
And so they decide that thesecret dies with them and Hey,
you hear burning shit.
Yeah, it's, yeah, they burnshit.
What's his fuck Kolby?

(28:16):
Because he supposedly gotslashed by the fishermen during
the attack and he ends upactually having to slice his arm
open.
I'm like, good for you, youfucker, you deserve that shit.
But yeah, they make their pact,they part ways.
It's one year later, July 1st,and Amber's upset about it.
She visits PJ's gravestone, andthen she goes to a barn party.
She goes to a barn party.
We know because she got textedout on her flip phone.

(28:37):
Oh yes.
The flip phone.
The flip phone.
The flip phone.
I do, I did.
I did love seeing a flip phonein this movie.
Oh, I miss a flip phone.
I like them too.
Yeah.
I used to be so fast at T ninetexting.
Do you remember what T ninetexting is?
No.
'cause I actually didn't get, Idid not get a cell phone till

(28:58):
maybe my freshman year ofcollege.
Wow.
Because I was anti cell phone.
That's fair.
Because teenage Richard saidthis is gonna be the end of the
world.
We started using them.
as it turns out, teenage Richardmight be smarter than current.
Richard.
That is a hundred percentactually.
'cause he started usingsmartphones a hundred percent.
Actually, if you, if we'reflashback to teenage Richard, he
was actually really, really likehe was with it.

(29:19):
Okay, so, so t nine, texting.
'cause on flip phones, youdidn't have a full keyboard.
You just had the number pad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You had to like.
Dial like the, the numbermultiple times.
Exactly.
Two had A, B, and C, and threehad D, E, and F.
Mm-hmm.
If I wanted to say Hey, I had tohit this number so many times to
get h and this number so manytimes to get E, five, three.
I don't know.
I would need a, i, I would needa keyboard in front of me, or,

(29:42):
you know, but anyway, She goesto the barn party.
The barn party kolby her wellex-boyfriend now.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
Because he breaks up with her atthe party the most unclear
breakup I've ever seen.
Yeah.
They just said, they were like,oh, I don't even know how they,
he's just like, we've grownapart things.
What, what happened last summerchanged things and his
internship didn't work out.

(30:02):
He came back to be a lifeguardat the pool.
She's upset.
Lance is there being allblue-eyed and early two
thousands hot, which is honestlynot hot.
It's, it's kind of gross.
He looks kind of greasy, doesn'the?
It's gross.
He looks like he doesn't shower.
And also, I feel like the wholefilm is greasy.
What's with that filter?
Just that gritty shit.
I have no idea.
It's like the whole movie isthrough a filter.

(30:23):
Maybe they wanted it to look alittle bit more rough and
rustic.
Like I think of, This is being avery cheap, imitation of what
you would find in the TexasChainsaw Massacre.
The, the original one?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where it just feels gritty.
It feels like maybe they weretrying to channel that they were
trying to channel something.
Yeah.
It's, it's not great, but shegoes and she cries and then that

(30:45):
fucking creep ass officer triesto, I'm not even gonna get into
that shit.
Yeah, you was like, have youever need anything?
What's with those, like, lowangles and stuff?
I know.
So our next beat Amber's parentsare out of town.
She has a note in her room andwe're just like, oh my God.
No, it's the, no, it's in the,in the fisherman's penmanship.
No, it's not.
Yes it is.
No, it's, it is not, not, it's abad version.

(31:06):
I think I was imagining things.
Yeah.
I think I wanted it to be good.
So I started, I started seeinghallucinations.
It's in all caps, but it's notthe fisherman's pen.
It's not Well, because it's anote from her parents.
Her parents are out of town.
Oh, that's why I want this towork.
So I know.
Can you see how I am in arelationship with this?
Yes.
Yes.
And like, he's so bad for me,but he's actually good.

(31:26):
Really?
I'm gonna make it work.
He's really nice.
Yeah.
No, uh, her parents are out oftown.
She gets like 50 text messagesthat say, I know what you did
last summer.
And then she decides to go seeher friend Zoe, who she hasn't
talked to all year.
Zoe's pissed at her.
Zoe's pissed.
She's like, should I send youanother flyer?
Yeah.
You never see my shows.
You never come to my shows.
I'm a.

(31:48):
But then Amber's just like,please and she's like, fine, you
can sleep on the couch.
Okay.
Zoe's pretty fierce.
Yeah, Zoe's probably my favoritecharacter in this film.
I don't like any of thesecharacters, but she's the one
that I dislike the least.
I would.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
But she's like, that style of ofgirl in the early two thousands
was my jam, you know?

(32:08):
You know what I just thoughtabout She, Zoe reminds me of the
girl, the German girl in Buffythe Vampire Slay.
I remember like the last seasonwhen there's like d the German
girl different, there's likedifferent slayers around the
world.
Uhhuh and there's that oneslayer in like Berlin and she's
like this kind of like alt punkgirl.
Oh yeah.

(32:29):
That there's like a essencethere.
I guess the alt punk girl issignificantly more hardcore than
Zoe is though.
Oh yeah, definitely.
And this girl in Buffy that Richis referencing is literally in
one scene'cause she gets killed.
Like that's a very, that's avery specific deep cut
reference, not a memorablecharacter unless you are
intimately familiar with theseries funny, deep cut.

(32:49):
That was a very deep cut.
Yes, I get it though.
Like, I guess the essence of it.
Yeah.
A very like, uh, a mall versionof that.
Mm-hmm.
Very mall., But the next daythey decided to go visit Roger,
whom, I guess you don't rememberwho Roger is the one that was
acting as the fisherman duringthe prank.
Ah, okay.
Okay.
Which is why he's suffering somuch because it's his fault.
It's the PJ died and so he'slike driving a forklift and he

(33:13):
has absolutely no considerationfor these girls.
'cause he just keeps drivingtowards them.
Oh.
Fucking lights.
A blowtorch directly in theirface.
And I'm like, mama, this filmneeds an OSHA director.
Because there's also a scenewhere somebody just swings a
chainsaw Yeah.
At someone's face.
Like they're so reckless withthis shit.
They're reckless with thosecamera angles.
Because as the scene was going,I was just trying to digest

(33:33):
what.
What am I watching exactly.
Mm-hmm.
Because they go from hisperspective, but not even his
perspective.
It's like an at an angle.
They try to do an over a shoover the shoulder kind of thing,
and it just, all of their overthe shoulder shots are a fail.
Like they do not line them upwell at all.
No, the, the scene in the, thebarn party, that's what I sent
my roommate when I was firstwatching this movie where I'm

(33:55):
like, this is framed terriblybecause, Kolby and Amber are
having a conversation andthey're trying to do an over the
shoulder from Amber to Kolby andliterally her head is in the
way.
We don't see him.
We just hear what he's saying ifI'm noticing how bad the framing
is, that's a bad size.
It used to be bad.
I notice makeup, wardrobe, andhair.

(34:16):
I notice acting decisions.
Yeah.
I notice maybe a little bit ofart and design.
Like that's the, but that's likethe world you come from.
That's you watching movie andnoticing the plants in plants.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I'm, but the fact that we'regoing to other territories, I
never think of compositionunless it's something that's
really good or really bad.
Process of elimination.
You have two options, good orbad.

(34:38):
Exactly.
So yeah, you're right.
The camera angle's on thisthere's more of the jumpy cuts
and stuff.
It's just, it's, it's terriblyshot.
And the scene basically is justto tell us that Richard wants to
go to the police now, and thenAmber all of a sudden, wait, I
wanna go to the police.
No.
Did I say Richard?
Yeah.
I do want to go to the police.
I wanna report this movie.
Yeah.
It's a hate crime.

(34:58):
I want to report this movie.
No, Roger wants to go to thepolice and Amber all of a sudden
changes the tune of her song.
'cause she was the only one inthe beginning that was like, no,
we have to tell somebody.
And now she's like, you betterkeep your fucking mouth shut.
Roger.
We had our chance.
Shut your fucking mouth.
Oh, and can we just talk abouthow stupidly and quickly they
wrapped up that conflict betweenZoe and Amber?

(35:19):
Zoe is pissed.
She's very like aggressive andcatty.
Mm-hmm.
And then after they meet withRoger, they're in the car and
they have this shallow as fuckconversation and all of a sudden
they're friends again.
And it was like, you know, thatbass pair of yours is really
cute.
I think you'd be cute together.
Fake giggle.
Fake giggle.
It is, the dialogue is so bad.

(35:40):
Oh yeah.
This is on July 2nd, by the way.
We get little day cards inbetween each day, which honestly
I appreciate.
'cause now I know when themovie's gonna be over.
That's what I'm saying.
I would've had counting down toJuly 4th, I would've had.
No idea what day it was.
They're so bad at establishmentin this movie.
We need those day cards to letus know where the fuck we are.
And then we have anotherpointless scene.

(36:01):
We go to the swimming pool sothey can confront Colby, the
blonde guy.
Yes.
And it's just more of the same.
It's like so much time couldhave been saved in this movie.
There's so many pointlessscenes, many closeups that I'm
like, why do I, why did I needto know about that?
Yeah.
Why did I need to know what wason that book?
That dirty bookshelf?
Mm-hmm.
It makes no sense.
Yeah.
What about that coll, are we atthe collage scene yet?

(36:22):
Not yet.
We're about to be, not we'reabout to be, but that whole
scene I think was basically justso we could see that kolby gets
a note too, because it's writtenon the pool.
On the pool.
Evaporating water.
I know what you did, girl.
That means that someone musthave been there to write.
Write that on the floor.
Unless the villain issupernatural.

(36:44):
Ooh.
Yeah.
This whole time they're tryingto convince that this is a, that
this is a real person.
Yeah.
So the same day, like Ambertakes her little bike trip up
the mountain, right?
Yes.
Her tire gets slashed.
She's at the ski lift and sheends up getting sent down by the
ski worker with her littlecamera Uhhuh.
Oh yeah.
Because she's a photographer.
She's a photographer, and shegets attacked on the ski lift by
the fisherman.
Good.

(37:04):
It's not scary at all.
He like crashes his hook throughthe window and at the same time
her camera goes off and thatscares him away.
The next scene, it's so fuckingfunny.
We go to her with like herlittle group of friends and the
photo is like you can't eventell it's a hook.
You just see a little likelittle bit of white in the top
of the frame and she's like,see, it's the hook.
It's so dumb.

(37:25):
I think this is the moment Iwent to the bathroom.
Mm-hmm.
And I wanted to stay thereprobably.
And then my roommate was like,should I pause this?
And what?
No.
Nope.
Don't keep it going.
Keep it going.
Yeah.
Well, and this is when Rogerdies and it's nothing satisfying
about this movie and these deathscenes are a huge part of that.
Roger's like all sad boy andhe's drinking and he's taking
his medicine Oh yeah.

(37:46):
His pills.
And he decides that he wants tohit the escape button much like
we did on the movie.
Oh, he is.
And he decides that he's gonnado it by using the actual
fisherman's hook to drive upstreet on his arm.
first off, if you're gonna doit, there's so many more
efficient ways to do that Yeah.
Than to use this.
Really like poor.
It's the first two movies, youcould tell that the hook was

(38:08):
sharp.
It was made of some kind of hardmetal.
This looked like something youwould buy at Walgreens.
Yes.
It's like on discount afterHalloween.
Yes.
Because all the good hooks weretaken.
It's, it's really shitty Anyway,he hears a noise and he goes to
investigate and he ends upgetting killed by the fishermen
and a choppy as fuck chasingscene air quotes around that and

(38:32):
he dies and then his friendsfind him they find his body,
they find his note, and the copsfind them with him.
And by the cops, I mean thatcreepy fucker hafner.
And he's just like, what are youdoing here?
And that's the end of the scene.
I, I feel like this is the firsttime where I'm really rooting
for the killer to kill everyone.
Please do.
I like, I usually sigh with, youknow, one of our hot teens.

(38:54):
Mm-hmm.
This one, I'm like, no, killthem all.
They're all idiots quickly.
They're all, they're all idiots.
They're so boring.
It's so boring.
They're so boring.
It's like if Will from the lastmovie was personified into a
town that is still giving thisfilm too much credit and y'all
know how much I hate Will.
That's too generous.
That's too nice.
That's too generous.

(39:15):
That's too nice.
Yeah.
At least Will had some sort of.
Direction.
Yeah.
Oh, he had objective.
Yeah.
Which is something that I don'treally see anyone have here.
No.
But this is when, this is whenwe get the collage scene, the
fucking pictures, the collage.
Did you have something to sayabout that?
No.
Oh, the collage?
Yeah.
It was a lot of zoom-in that Ijust didn't need to do Uhhuh.

(39:36):
'Cause the things you could havejust established, she has that
in the background and just be,be done with it.
Go on.
Well, and also there's so many,'cause what happens is they go
back to Amber's place and shehas so many photos, of course,
'cause she's a photographer allof her photos that were on her
corkboard were chopped into theword soon, SOON.
But there was so much scrappaper'cause it's strewn all

(39:58):
throughout her house.
It's like if the, it's like ifyou take rose petals and
sprinkle a little trail to thebedroom for some sexy time with
your intimate partner.
It's like that.
But with photo shreds and it'sso many photo shreds.
I'm like, how many pictures didshe actually have up on that
wall?
But it's also really, reallypoor quality because some of the
zoom-in, I'm like, wait aminute.
That's a printout that they cutinto an O.

(40:21):
'cause like when you, when youmake collages, there's texture,
there's textures, there'slayers.
There was one shot when theywent over one of the letters
where it was just, it was flat.
Everything was flat.
So I'm just like, wait, someoneprinted this out and cut it out?
For this, this, this moment onscreen.

(40:41):
$8 million.
Baby.
Could you afford separate sheetsof paper?
What's the, I don't know.
I didn't even look, I I did notlook at the credits at all the,
I looked at the credits uhhuh,and the one thing that stood out
to me was the person who playedthe fisherman Uhhuh.
His name is Robert Shank.

(41:02):
Oh yeah.
He's a, I thought that wasfunny.
He's a stunt performer.
Oh really?
He played Michael Myers in oneof the earlier Halloween movies.
I don't remember which one.
Oh.
I saw this kind of funny shank,but he's cool.
Yeah.
He was just like, I wanna givethe fans what they want.
And I'm like, thank God somebodytried to do that.
It was a cool costume.
What?
I'm trying so hard, I'm doing sohard to make some kind of joy

(41:26):
from this.
This is the cheapest lookingfisherman outfit I have ever
seen.
The makeup.
I'm tr the Okay.
The ma, yeah.
The makeup is cool.
When they finally Reveal.
Reveal, yeah.
Zombie.
But the fisherman outfit, itlooks like it's made out of
tarp.
It doesn't look like an actualslicker in a hat.
No, no, definitely not.
It looks like a costume.
They took like a tent and cut itup into some ambiguous shapes

(41:48):
and just like, here you go.
I mean, I kind of like to, IOkay now I would, I, I'm saying
I like it because it's very likecosty.
It's not real whatsoever.
okay.
My nerdy mind.
Oh, okay.
The reason why I like it isbecause it reminds me of a love
child of juggernaut from theX-Men, an X-Men animated series,

(42:10):
and one of those floating monksfrom Mortal Kombat won.
that's it.
Okay.
Listen.
If that's what they were goingfor.
No, that's definitely notCongratulations.
It's definitely not what theywere going for.
It's what I just pieced togetherin my head to justify this
horrible thing that I'mwatching, which is kind of just
like my thing.
Mm-hmm.
Like if I, if I go throughsomething traumatic, in order

(42:32):
for me to make sense of theworld and to survive, I have to
imagine something.
I have to justify why I'm here.
This movie has put me throughtrauma fair.
So I had, I had to resort tochildhood, Richard, to paint an
image Okay.
Of why I'm watching this.
Well, then I support you.
Thank you.
I'm, I'm really trying tosurvive here.
Yeah.
Anyway, it's the next day and wehave Lance with a chainsaw and

(42:54):
he almost gives, what's hisfucking nose job?
So he says, oh yeah.
They love talking about the nosejob.
I know.
They fuck the LA thing.
Yeah.
They're basically, this wholemovie is these kids going person
by person being like, you're theone that did it.
And them just being like, no,I'm not.
And they're right.
But also, can we talk about howthe notes that they find are
literally notes scribbled on aline piece of paper?

(43:18):
Yeah.
Did you notice that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or like, it's just like etchedonto his motorcycle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is like my, like the, myparchment paper mm-hmm.
That I had last episode wasscarier than some of these
notes.
Yeah.
Well, and here's the thing.
If you're going to try tocontinue this film as if it is a
part of the, the, the, thefranchise.
The franchise, those handwrittennotes were such a huge part of

(43:41):
this movie.
And to not have a one that isauthentically looks like I know
what you did last summer.
'cause it's text messages, it'setched into stuff.
Written in water pool, waterwritten in pool water.
There's not a single note note.
And so I'm just like, where isthe continuity?
And it's not even that hard of anote.

(44:02):
All you need is white paper anda sharpie uhhuh.
And that, that costs what,$5max?
And that's like for fancy stuff.
Part of me wonders if they weretrying to update it for the tech
age of just like, Ooh, let's doa text message.
It's so scary.
Let's do 50 of'em.
But I don't know.
It just, it didn't work.
It didn't, it landed flat forme.
you know what's so funny is,his, the character's name is
Lance.

(44:22):
I found myself writing Lucasover.
He looks like a Lucas.
He does look like a Lucas.
Yeah.
He does not look like a Lance.
He looks like a Lucas.
Lucas says that because the, thenight before there was the, the
note that was left by Richardbecause he was going to do his,
he was gonna off himself.
I'm gonna off myself.
Did I say Richard again?
Roger?
We're we're desperately trying.

(44:43):
I I've heard of this movie.
I actually like it as it'sRichard.
Let's just keep going with that.
Oh yeah.
Let's just keep it as Richard.
I'm, yeah.
I'm in here.
Well, he, I'm part of this town.
He wrote a note that was like, Ican't take it anymore.
I can't live with this secret.
I'm sorry.
Literally, that was on my notes.
I can't take this anymore.
Can't take this anymore.
I cannot take this.
They, the sheriff gets his handon that note, and I guess he

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went to, Lance, who is the, thesheriff's nephew, by the way.
He was P'S cousin.
Yes.
They're related.
He was like, the sheriff cametalking about some secret, and
I'm like, this writing is sofucking bad.
This film feels like somebody inhigh school watched the first
two movies, if even, and thenwrote their own, like they were
in high school.
Okay.
And they wrote their own little,fan fiction with like them and

(45:27):
their friends in it.
Ah.
That's what this movie fuckingfeels like.
the writing is so juvenile thisgenuinely feels like something
that somebody wrote just to havea little fantasy.
Are we at July 3rd yet?
We are on July 3rd.
Yes.
Thank you for reminding me.
Someone needs to re Yeah, wewere constantly reminded what
day it was.
Yeah, oh, they're at a diner.

(45:47):
This is another thing that myroommate, she commented on.
The lighting in this diner is sofucking blown out.
It's like how you would imaginein an eighties movie, they would
depict like heaven.
Just like those reallyblindingly bright white lights.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how this diner is liteverybody, and they're just
sitting there casually having aconversation of like, well,

(46:07):
obviously the sheriff must bethe killer.
So during this whole viewing, Iwas eating dinner, uhhuh, my
food tasted bad.
Oh God.
Somehow watching this moviedestroyed my senses that my
delicious meal that I madetasted horrible and you'll never
be able to eat it again.
No.
Ruined, ruined taste aversion isreal.

(46:30):
Everybody like, after, afterwatching it, I needed to cleanse
my own palette and I neededsomething comforting.
So I found some vegan Cheetos.
I found some vodka.
Oh my God.
And I hate vodka.
I hate Chee.
Actually, I love Cheetos.
I just needed ex Cheetos aregreat.
Cheetos are delicious.
Yeah.
And they're the Cheetos pups.
Ooh, yes.
I love Cheetos and veganCheetos.
Cheetos.

(46:50):
They're good.
Cheetos.
Cheetos.
Cheetos.
Uhhuh.
They, they, they were delicious.
What brand?
Hip pea.
Oh, I know about them.
They're really good.
Are they the ones that have thesuper simple packaging that are
just like, these are still nothealthy.
yeah, they were really good.
Yeah, they're they're reallygood.
Yeah.
Uh, God, where even are we?
July.
Oh yeah.
They pick the sheriff as a badguy and then later that night we

(47:13):
get a gratuitous bra shot.
Because Amber's Amber's gettingchanges.
She's getting ready to pack herbags and go stay with Zoe.
This is one of my straightroommate was like, yeah, we're
gonna see some tits.
And then she covers it rightaway and he goes, what the fuck?
Very PG 13.
That bra looked veryuncomfortable too.
Yeah, it was really stiff.
It looked so uncomfortable.
It was really stiff.
I'm not a regular bra wearer.

(47:34):
Uh, I only wear them in drag, soI'm just always uncomfortable in
a bra.
But bra wearers out there, letme know if you see this.
Does that bra look uncomfortableor is it just me?
I think just the whole thing wasuncomfortable.
Yeah.
Anyway, Colby decides to write alittle threatening note to the
sheriff, and the sheriff findsit on his dashboard.
And red herring, red herring.

(47:55):
Red herring.
Is this, when they have this,the, the suggested sex.
Not yet.
Okay.
No.
Zoe has her little dreamsequence.
See, this is what I'm talkingabout.
Like where it makes it feel likethis is Zoe's movie because she
has a double fake out dreamsequence, and then she wakes up
surrounded by slashes on hercouch and her guitar is broken.
Mm-hmm.
It felt very nightmare in ElmStreet, like Final Girl Tee, but

(48:18):
I don't know why, because she'snot the final girl in this
movie.
She's not, that, that dream was,it made me feel very
uncomfortable.
It was just so, it was just sostatic that staticky, but just,
it cut so many times.
I don't even know how to, it wasdisorienting.
It was hard to latch on toanything, which I'm normally all
four in dream sequences, butthis was too close to how they

(48:41):
edit the rest of the movie whereit's just it's jarring.
It's very jarring.
Yeah.
I've had more pleasant visionswhen I was wasted.
Yeah.
And it's pointless again.
What's the point of this?
Yeah.
There's no, there's no point.
What's the point of this?
So she has a bad dream.
She has a bad dream.
Speaking of dreams.
Mm-hmm.
After I watched this movie, Ihad a really interesting dream
mm-hmm.
That I was part of this likeMadonna concert.

(49:01):
Mm-hmm.
And I had to, we, we were alllike paying homage to Madonna
and I was the like, lovely.
I was like, I was the likeaversion Madonna.
Oh, how fun.
But I couldn't find, my outfit.
I couldn't find the weddingdress.
Oh really?
That's sucks.
Sucks.
So to like, I had to like, gothrough the parking lot to find
this, the wedding dress outfit,but I couldn't find it.
So I had to make my own outfit.
But then they switched it on meand they're like, actually we

(49:22):
need you for express yourself.
And you had that after watchingthis movie.
This movie inspired that.
That's also a very generousthing, Richard.
I am really trying here.
It's, I don't know my Simpson,my subconscious didn't know what
to do.
Listen, with this vomit thatjust happened, listen, it was
like, we need, we need you to becomforted.
You are a Madonna girl.
You're a Madonna girl.
You're a Madonna girl duringyour favorite eras.

(49:43):
Mm-hmm.
Listen, you don't even have totry if you don't want to.
Anyway.
What's his fuck?
His swimming kolby.
The Abercrombie guy, the P outfrat boy.
And he gets a fucking hookthrough his Achilles, as he's
swimming and he gets away andthen he's just on crutches, just
casually hanging out with,that's why he's on crutches.
I was trying to figure it out.
Did you go to the bathroom againor were you cleaning your
kitchen?

(50:03):
I think, I think both.
Both.
I was taking a shit whilecleaning my kitchen.
Someone had to work here,honestly.
Yeah, no, that's why he was incrutches and then they all
decide we have to leave town.
Tomorrow's the fourth.
Tomorrow's the anniversary.
Oh, yeah.
That was, wasn't it?
Zoe's idea to leave town?
I don't remember.
I just know that they wanted to,but then the next day they don't

(50:24):
because, the show that nobodyever talked about was never
brought up, just randomlydropped on us, and then the
morning of you're like, oh,yeah, there's an agent gonna be
there.
I just found out.
And they book clubs all acrossthe state of Colorado and maybe
la, maybe la, maybe la.
They love, dang, this danglingthis idea of la Yeah, LA is kind

(50:44):
of like that little on mistake.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Which makes sense.
I mean, a lot of the west andsouthwest, like that's the place
that that's the place.
Oh, because you're like, it'spretty close anyway.
Yeah, and it's ratherincestuous, especially growing
up in Vegas, a lot of SoCalfolks came to us for their
vacations, and we went downthere for vacations.
So there's a lot of salivaswapping, there's a lot of, just

(51:05):
familiarity with especiallyenvironments.
Um, although it's, of courseit's much colder in Colorado,
but you know, it's stillgenerally the same ecosystem.
And, it's just like the closestcity if you have big dreams, you
know, it's, it's much closerthan New York Anyway, um, what
else do I do in this movie?
Let's see.

(51:25):
Yeah.
Well, Richard's dead.
Richard is dead.
Oh, I forgot the night before.
They visit the cops.
They did.
And that, that weird party.
Yeah.
Like all the dudes are thereagain, why is, what's the point
of this scene?
Yeah.
All the cops are there justthrowing back brewski with the
boys and it's like differentages of people.

(51:46):
Mm-hmm.
Like there were some people,like there were teens, there
were old men.
Mm-hmm.
There were like 30.
I'm like, what is this weirdYeah.
Secret society going on here?
And it was a KK, K meeting thatthey walked out.
Honest.
This, The true fishermen was theK, k, K.
We met along the way anyway, soYeah, they go to that.

(52:07):
There's no point to that scene.
There's no point.
I think the point of the scenewas that there was Do you there
was a, a shot of what Allison?
Oh, with the fucking, the, themirror.
The, the mirror.
The mirror.
So I'm just watching this andI'm like, okay.
They, this is something I recalldur during college when I had to
take film electives or whatever.
This, this could be a value.

(52:28):
This is something, this could berich.
And so this is when my, myactor, film film, roommate comes
in, Zach, and he's just like,oh, oh, I think this, like, I
think this represents duality.
And I go, not that deep, bro.
I go, Zach, don't, don't try tojustify this bullshit.
This is crap.
Yeah.
This is literally like,literally I feel out to like, oh

(52:50):
man, we got his face in theshot.
Should we all just leave it?
Just leave.
No.
Well, here's, so here's the shotthat Rich is talking about.
Everybody.
They're having a conversationthereby Fuck Ass's motorcycle.
Lance's motorcycle.
Mm-hmm.
And the camera is on amber andthe mirror of the motorcycle is
in frame, and you can see hisface in the mirror.
I know that for a fact that thatwas intentional.

(53:11):
And I know that that directormust have been so proud of
himself for that shot.
He's like, oh yeah, this is,this is the shot.
This is the shot.
But no, but why, I mean, maybebecause they were running tight
on schedule and they couldn't,afford to do, dual coverage, so
they were just like, you knowwhat, let's just get his face in
the mirror and we'll just do itin a Warner.
Because the thing is, when youshoot scenes like this,,
Depending on your schedule, likeif you have a good command of

(53:33):
your time, you're going to get,you're wide, you're going to get
your over the shoulder, yourclose up, you're gonna get your
closeup of each person so thatyou have a lot to play with when
you edit it together.
I'm just thinking, you knowwhat, they probably fell behind
on shooting schedule and theydidn't have time for that
coverage.
So they're just like, you knowwhat?
Fuck it.
Let's get the mirror in there sowe can get both of their faces
in the shot and call it a day.
Ho.
That's my thought.
I am so clever.

(53:54):
But I mean, that whole scene,they're just more roundabout
nonsense talking and thenAmber's just like, by the way,
Colby's not my boyfriendanymore, which is what leads to
the implication of sex the nextday, slut.
So yeah, the next day we meet upat Zoe's house and she's just
like, I can't because my agentwill leave town after.
Mm-hmm.
And then the.
Only part of this movie thateven acknowledges the fact that

(54:16):
the other two movies exist.
Wow.
When they find the little clipouts.
Yeah, the little clip outs ofjust like, oh, just some guy
went psycho and killed people insome fishing town and then like
10 years ago, and then like, youknow, he came back and tried to
kill them in some Caribbeanisland, even though the headline
says Bahamas.
there's like, and then he died.
But why did we get this an hourinto the movie?

(54:37):
That should have been the firstthing we see.
Well, I think so.
Like there's some ti there'slike literally no tie to the
original movie.
No.
Until that moment, the beginningof the film, all we get is just
like the urban legend version ofit.
Which I mean, you know, I'm justgonna say this now.
I do think that there is a worldin which this general theme can

(54:59):
work.
I actually kind of like thisidea.
Of Ben Willis, in the first twomovies.
Mm-hmm.
Like being a human.
Yeah.
Killing these people.
And then just being so evil andperverse that after he dies, he
becomes this spiritualembodiment of punishment for
people who, commit atrocitiesand lie about it.
But I do, I mean, that would'vebeen great if that was the
premise of the movie.
I think that's, I.

(55:20):
I isn't that, maybe that's whatthey're trying to do.
I don't know.
I, but I do think that there isa, a way to make that work.
This is not it.
No, but I do think, okay, ifyou're trying to turn this movie
into a franchise, why?
I mean, they did it withfucking, Jason Voorhees.
They brought him back and that,that went well.
German entity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Granted that was the eighties.
But I think there's, there's away that this could have worked

(55:43):
where the fishermen, ascendedbeyond the mortal coil and
became this supernatural urbanlegend ala Candy Man and Bloody
Mary and stuff like that.
I think that would be kind ofcool.
That would've been cool.
You know?
It would've, it, it.
I'm just thinking of like thescene.
If this were to be the idea, youwould have the, I I feel like
the opening sequence should behim and hell and like his, we

(56:08):
dwell, delve more into hisstory.
Or if even just like expand onthe urban legend a little bit
more.
Mm-hmm.
And not try to do so many redherrings.
Ah.
Where it's like, oh, is it thesheriff?
Oh no, he just got killed.
I guess it's not him.
Oh, is it this officer?
Oh, he just got killed.
I guess it's not him.
Yeah.
It should just be like, oh, it'sdefinitely the fishermen.
It's Ben.
I think it should have beenestablished very early on.
Like this is a supernaturalfilm.

(56:29):
Mm-hmm.
This is, yeah.
Yeah.
This is the, this is the lore.
Oh, this is the universe we livein.
This is where we should havegotten that full backstory of
like 10 years ago in Southport,da da da.
Mm-hmm.
This and this and this happenedand he died.
But people still say that thespirit of Benjamin Willis.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lives on to punish people who doX, Y, Z.
1, 2, 3.
I think that would've beenenough.

(56:50):
But instead, I don't know theyagain, but you're like, set,
you're setting the environment,which this movie does not do.
No, not at all.
So that's my thought.
I think that this could havevery, quite possibly worked had
they put any thought into it.
But here we are.
They have sex implications.
I will say, I don't hate Zoe'smusic.

(57:12):
It's not great.
I just love all the times thatshe, she touches her hair.
Oh.
It's just to hide the fact thatshe's not actually singing and
she's lip syncing.
That's what it is.
It's also like early s like emo,a lne.
Paramore, like Oh, yeah, yeah.
Like angsty.
Oh, with the American flagsbehind her.
Fuck that.
That's set.
That's, mm-hmm.

(57:34):
Anyway, so they're at the show.
Colby is drunk and gross.
Oh yeah, he was, he was, he madehimself to the bar there.
Yeah.
On his crutches.
Zoe does her show, they'recalled Zoe in the Hooks.
Did you catch that?
No, I did not.
Her band is called Zoe in theHooks.
That's funny.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
That's funny.
Yeah.
And then after the show, theyget attacked by the fishermen,

(57:54):
just randomly.
He just like pops out from ashelf and like starts chasing
them through some lockers andthen somehow Zoe gets separated
from all of them.
They don't show us how.
No.
They just run to some doors andthe next thing we see is Zoe
running upstairs.
Upstairs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, the fisherman killsher, throws her off, throws her
off a banister or something.
Yeah, exactly.
At how she falls.

(58:14):
Into like the abyss, you know,with the, with the leg.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I think I wrote down.
Hold on, hold, hold, hold on.
Um, uh, she gets killed andtossed over the ledge.
Seems she has one dream lying onthe ground with one Disney knee
up.
You, y'all remember Disneyknees?
Yeah.
It's, it's so strategicallyplaced.

(58:35):
That again, is a very highschool thing.
It's just like, oh, I'm gonnafall and I'm gonna Ugh.
But how do we suggest like,you're dead.
Exactly.
Oh, I know.
the sheriff finds her, he getskilled by the fishermen.
Mm-hmm.
Amber and, Lance, a knot lot endup running.
Lance.
They run into Hafner.
Zoe's body is in the back of hiscar for some reason.

(58:55):
Mm-hmm.
And they think it's him.
And then the fisherman shows upand kills him and, and pales him
on the forklift.
Yes.
Which everyone was like, oh myGod, that death was so cool.
I guess by comparison.
Oh, Colby also died in hereKolby.
Yes.
Yes.
He, he gets killed in thekitchen.
He does.
They find his body in adumpster, which was kind of
nice.
I like that.
But also, how is it that Colbysuddenly can walk, he's running

(59:19):
through that kitchen, he's oncrutches and then all of a
sudden homeboy can run.
Yeah.
And we're not, it's not like hejust like delicately sprained
his ankle.
He got a fucking hook throughhis Achilles tendon.
Yeah.
He can't use that shit.
But now he's like jumping overtables and stuff.
Yeah, it's insane.
But he dies.
Doesn't matter.
And also in a very underwhelmingway.
And then they find out that theoriginal,'cause I guess the hook

(59:41):
that they used for the prank wasthe original hook from the
murders in Southport.
What, that's what they said.
It was a one throwaway line.
And that original hook from themurders is the only thing that
can hurt this fishermanapparently.
'cause a shotgun.
Couldn't do it.
That's, that's when we realized,wait a minute, there is a
supernatural thing going on.

(01:00:02):
'cause they were like shootinghim.
Yeah.
And it was not phasing.
Yeah.
Two shots with a shotgun andthen boop, you're on a forklift.
Whoops.
Yeah, she hits him with the, thefish hook and some black goo
comes out and she's like, thiscan hurt him.
I'm ending this now.
Rah, rah, rah rah.
And then he just comes outtanowhere again and starts chasing
them.
They try to set up a trap thatfails miserably.

(01:00:24):
This is when they like try toput, they put the hook on some
rope to swing it into him and hejust dodges.
Oh.
But they do, um.
She turns on like, it's a, asnow chipper.
A snow, some kind of likemachine mechanism.
It's like a wood chipper forsnow.
And then she hooks him in thetop of his head and shoves him
inside of it.
And then it's just like, fuckingchocolate puddings sprayed all

(01:00:45):
over the fucking place.
But her, her line, when shepushes him in it, it dies with
you.
The secret dies with you.
The secret dies with you.
Sounds stupid.
Yeah.
'cause they kept saying, thesecret dies with us.
The secret dies with us.
And now she's like, the secretdies with you.
And then we have our ambulance,little hon and she's just like,
oh.
He was just, I didn't get to seehis face, but he's just some guy

(01:01:07):
from not around here wantingmore of what he did last summer,
but he won't be botheringanybody anymore.
Cut.
Yeah.
To one year later, one yearlater, driving through Nevada
and her, she pops a tire andthen the fisherman's behind her,
it's so stupid.
This movie, man, I did not wantto go in depth or too, like in,
in detail on any of that.
But there weren't many detailsto go into depth.

(01:01:28):
No, not really.
Do you have any like thoughts orlike any, any other things that
you noticed about it?
I want my money back.
I feel in pain.
Mm-hmm.
I feel I, I'm having horribleflashbacks of the fact that I'm
clutching myself like this.
Yeah.
And he's doing the, thesuperstar fingers under the

(01:01:49):
armpits, everybody.
yeah.
It's not good.
It is not good at all.
I will say I do think as a, atime capsule of the early two
thousands, it, like, it works.
Like I did find myself feeling alittle small twinge of
nostalgia.
'cause I was in my teens at thistime.
Yeah.
I was only, I was like maybe acouple of years younger than
these characters were supposedto be.
So there is like that littlesweet spot of early aughts.

(01:02:11):
Nostalgia.
Yeah.
Like, oh, this was the fashion.
Yeah.
These were the trends.
And it's one of those thingswhere it's like, it's not for
better or for worse.
It's only for worse.
It's just, it's all of the badparts I know I've said that
before, but I'm gonna say itagain over and over and over and
over and over again.
and I do think that it is, it'sthe worst version of some other
films that I think can beenjoyable.
Like, stay Alive, which is likethe video game one where if you

(01:02:34):
die in the game, you die in reallife.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or like Cry Wolf or somethinglike that.
I, I view this very much in thesame vein.
Well, it's, it's less thanthose, but I think, it's the
worst of that kind of horror,which had its own special place
in this time period.
Just like this grainy, lowquality, my space styled, kind

(01:02:56):
of my space, uh, you know,cynical horror.
'cause this is like, this ispretty close to post nine 11, so
there's a lot of cynicism in themedia right now, you know?
Mm-hmm.
where we were transitioning awayfrom the neo slasher into more
torture porn kind of stuff thatpeople called it.
I, You don't have to watch thewhole thing to, to appreciate
this.
You can just watch a couple ofclips to be like, oh yeah, that

(01:03:16):
is, that is that time period.
Yeah.
Like this is a time capsule ofhorror movies from this era.
but I'm going to, well, let'stalk real quick.
Okay.
So we talk so much about thecharacters.
These characters suck.
They're so forgettable what isit, do you think about a slasher
that makes characters work?
Like what's, what, what makes,because we have seen one

(01:03:38):
dimensional slasher characterswe have that have worked and
that are way more fun to watch.
So why do you think that is?
I think because those characterspush an element of some kind of
camp.
Mm-hmm.
Or They're really that extremecharacter.
Mm-hmm.
Meaning like, if you are theblonde, you are the dumb blonde.
Mm.
If you're the bad girl, you area bad girl.

(01:03:59):
If you're a Fract guy, you arefratty as fuck.
Mm-hmm.
But we don't have any strongcommitments here.
No, we don't.
It's just like, okay, I kind ofsuggest this, but I'm not gonna
go all the way.
It's lukewarm.
It's like, a slasher flavoredlaqua, you know, the faint
thought of a slasher movie.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.

(01:04:19):
I'm with you there.
I needed like a strong flavor.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean?
Or like, there's an element ofhumor to it.
Mm-hmm.
But for not, we're laughing,we're laughing with the movie,
not at the movie.
Yeah.
Like they, like, they're okaywith making fun of themselves.
Yeah.
There's no humor in this movie.
There's none.
None.
Like they were too serious aboutit.
Yeah.
Were, that's the thing, like inthe first, uh, two, I know you

(01:04:41):
did last summers, and I think inhorror movies in general,
there's always some element ofhumor.
Oh, yeah.
Horror.
I, I, I've said this and humorbefore, and I'll say it again.
Horror and comedy are two sidesof the same coin.
Mm-hmm.
They're more closely relatedthan a lot of people think, than
you would think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But this had no elements ofhumor whatsoever.
No.

(01:05:01):
And I feel like even with thesecond movie in this franchise,
I still know, I think there wasstill a level of self-awareness.
Not a lot, but I think there wasstill just like a little twinge
of just like, okay, we're notgonna take this too seriously.
Yeah.
Like with Jack Black, right?
Mm-hmm.
There were those elements thatwere just like, okay, It is
stupid, but they know it'sstupid.
They know it's stupid.
Yeah.
But this one, they were justlike, we are honestly trying to

(01:05:23):
make a movie.
We're doing our best.
Yeah.
We're, we're, we're, we'remaking something.
I agree with you and I thinkthat's why these characters
don't work.
'cause I don't care about a damnone of them.
I don't, I don't even know theirnames.
Yeah.
Apparently I'm one of them.
The dumbest one.
Yep.
I do though this morningeverybody, so I'm a little bit
of the lore.
We're gonna pull back thecurtain in a minute.
I haven't pulled back thecurtain in a minute.

(01:05:44):
Pull it back, baby., So Richardand I were originally gonna
record this episode a little bitlater on today.
Mm-hmm.
We were gonna record it in aboutthree hours and, I was having
coffee, I was going over mynotes.
I was just writing everythingout and stuff.
And Richard was just like, Hey,I'm gonna be like in your area
at 10.
Uh, do you just want to do itsooner if it's, if it's too much

(01:06:07):
notice?
Like by all means?
And I was like, no, please.
And then I told Richard, I waslike, I don't know if I have
much to say about this movie'cause it's so bad.
And then.
After we made plans to meetearlier.
Mm-hmm.
I all of a sudden had arealization.
And the thing is, this movie, byno means does it deserve what

(01:06:27):
I'm about to offer up as a queeranalysis.
They were not trying to do thisat all.
They are not this deep.
I am the one who came up withthis because I, as a person, A,
I can justify a lot of things.
It's a talent of mine, Uhhuh,for better or for worse.
B, if I'm going to do thisepisode, I want to have at least

(01:06:51):
something to say.
Okay.
And I want to at least like tryto make a connection.
Right.
All right.
So I present to you, theparallels that I have found
between the themes of this movieand the AIDS crisis and the
eighties.
I am ready.
This is what, this isunintentional.

(01:07:11):
Commentary on inherited traumathat you personally have not
experienced, but it affects you.
Right.
Uhhuh It's, it's'cause we, wehave Ben Willis Right.
Haunting a new generation thathe has no connection to.
Okay.
People that he did not have toform a connection to.
Right, right.
Okay.

(01:07:32):
so I think a lot about growingup.
I grew up in the early ninetiesor I grew up in the nineties, in
the early two thousands wherelike my childhood, in teenage
years I grew up raised with avery heavy and intense stigma
around HIV and aids.
Yes.
At a time where it was sodemonized and it was just beaten

(01:07:53):
to my head.
That it's like this terriblething.
And you could get, you could getjust by talk to someone get
Exactly.
And so as a young queer person,I grew up afraid.
I never personally lived throughthe AIDS crisis of the eighties,
but I haven't inherited thetrauma of that.
Mm-hmm.
And the stigma that was pressedonto, these people that were
affected by it.

(01:08:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's kind of a pretty crazy,'cause I, I grew up in the same
time you did?
Mm-hmm.
I was in the Bay Area in SanFrancisco.
Mm-hmm.
And I remember my parentssaying, Hey, don't use any
payphone.
Mm-hmm.
And I was like, why not?
And they're like, because peoplehide needles in there and that's
how you're gonna get aids.
Mm-hmm.
Like, these were, these werenews articles that were coming
out in the Bay Area during thenineties.

(01:08:35):
Mm-hmm.
And being, coming from a queerfamily, it's very like that that
fear also was ingrained in metoo.
Very much so you had like all ofthis, judgment and persecution
and like similarly my mom, who.
Admittedly is not a verywell-informed person.
She's never gonna hear this.
It's fine.
She, her, if she didn't want meto do anything, her reasoning

(01:08:58):
would be like, don't do that.
You'll catch aids and die.
Yep.
It was, you know, it was used aslike the boogeyman.
Mm-hmm.
You know, which like lookingback now, I'm like, that is the
dumbest, that is the dumbestthing to say.
Well, it's so damaging.
It's so damaging to thecommunity.
That's why there's such a, eventoday when we have so many
treatment options So many moreways to protect ourselves.

(01:09:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whether like through prep orpost exposure, no matter what
the case there, there's.
So much now so much moreknowledge.
Mm-hmm.
And, understanding with, youknow, being undetectable and
being untransmittable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With all of that on the table,there is still an extreme amount
of stigma and bias againstpeople who are HIV v positive.

(01:09:39):
Oh, absolutely.
Yes.
Yes.
And a huge reason is because ofthat.
The fear, the, the, the, likethe, the boogeyman type.
Yeah.
That entire narrative thatrhetoric that was being spun,
especially for those of us whoare at a young impressionable
age, it's like you really haveto be introspective enough and
have enough, critical anddialectical thinking abilities

(01:10:00):
to unpack all of that.
Yeah.
And realize oh, my way of seeingthis, This thing is heavily
influenced by, an administrationthat blamed the queer community
for this disease.
Mm-hmm.
And that did not want to helpthem, wanted to view it as a
punishment for their quoteunquote lifestyle, the, the gay

(01:10:21):
disease.
Yeah.
and it's, again, it's like part,part of that inherited trauma
uhhuh and how that relates tothis.
This movie is like these, theseteenagers have had no contact
with the origin of this story.
Okay.
They have only heard it, and ithas been sanitized and it has
been diluted.
Mm-hmm.
Which is another thing that weexperienced as queer people.

(01:10:43):
Our history, we don't get tohear or experience as it was.
Mm-hmm.
We get a very sanitized anddiluted.
Version of events, right?
We know about the Monster AIDSUhhuh.
We don't know about the peoplethat it affected.
We don't know about thecommunities that it tore
through.
Much like these characters onlyknow about the fishermen.

(01:11:03):
There is not a single referenceto any of the original people
that the fishermen impacted.
So it's that dilutedsanitization of this, this
history that they'reexperiencing.
And so with all of that to besaid, when they finally commit
this act that, will lead them tobeing essentially persecuted

(01:11:27):
uhhuh by their community, muchlike people were persecuted.
For being gay.
Mm-hmm.
You know, being, thrown out ofhospitals, the whole community
turned their back on them.
That's what these characterswere afraid of if their secret
got out.
Let's see, what else?
Well, that's, that is very rich.
Mm-hmm.
Thank you.
Let's see, a group of teens.
Yeah.
The group of teen makes the samemistake as those before them,

(01:11:49):
and then they have to deal withthose consequences.
Oh.
And then, silence equals death,which was a huge phrase from Act
Up.
Yes.
Which is like one of the mostprofound, radical, impactful
queer movements, ever really.
Mm-hmm.
And I couldn't help but thinksilence equals death.
And then their phrase, thesecret dies with us.

(01:12:10):
Oh.
And the parallels between that.
Refusing to acknowledge and,,staying silent when things are
so bad is going to result indeath.
It's going to result indestruction.
Mm.
and it's like, again, that, andeven today, I still have friends
who, well, it's like the whole,like, don't think about it.
Don't talk about it.
It's not going to kill you.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:12:30):
I have friends today who stilldon't get tested because they're
scared.
I know.
That's the worst thing.
It's the worst thing.
And listen, I'm havingconversations with each and
every one of them, encouragingthem to, I get tested every
three months.
I get tested at least.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, but there's, I get testedwhenever I do the deed.
I want to know.
Yeah.

(01:12:50):
That way if, if I get something,I'm like, you're the fucker who
gave it to me.
Yeah.
And then so you need to stop andwith that knowledge, like you
can act and you can dopreventative stuff.
Exactly.
So, again, back to that wholesilence equals death thing.
If you, it's this wholenarrative of you can't talk
about it or it's going to comeand get you.
And it's like, mama, whether youtalk about it or not, it's gonna
come back and get you.
Mm-hmm.
If, you know, if you wereexposed to this thing.

(01:13:11):
Whether you like it or not, ifyou want to acknowledge it, it's
going to be there.
You know, the rhythm's gonna getyou.
Yes.
Oh, and then again, it's justthat notion of Ben Willis
becoming so powerful that he nolonger needs that personal
connection to his victims.
He's expanded beyond his originto be able to now impact and
infect Yes.
People that had absolutely noroots in where he originated.

(01:13:34):
Okay.
So he himself can be, you know,you can draw parallels to zombie
band, Willis and the virus.
So,, again, It just like comesdown to being haunted by, a
history that you can't reallytalk about or escape from, you
know, and some people who havethe emotional intelligence and
the willingness to educatethemselves and learn more about

(01:13:57):
the history and, do what theywant with that knowledge, you
know, that knowledge is power inprotecting yourself and in
protecting your community and inencouraging those around you who
may not be, to also, you know,look out for themselves in that
way.
But there's a lot of people outthere who are haunted by the
events of the crisis in theeighties, and they're not able

(01:14:17):
to escape from that.
No, no.
And they can't talk about itbecause it's so stigmatized and
they are so afraid of it.
And maybe they live in acommunity where you can't talk
about it because there's so muchnegative bias towards it.
Mm-hmm.
So it's, again, it's similar tohow in the first movie we were
talking about, This concept ofit being like an allegory for
guilt and being in the closet.
Yes, yes.
And grief and stuff like that.
It's similar to that.

(01:14:38):
It's just like that monsterthat's always behind you that
you can't talk about and thatyou can't acknowledge because
it's so scary and because thereis so much of a negative stigma
wrapped around it, and becauseit did get so fucking big.
Mm.
It's really hard to not havethat fear in your heart anytime
you do, a deed that couldpotentially expose you.

(01:15:01):
You know?
So again, this movie did notdeserve that deep of a critical
analysis.
I was like, wow.
Cry baby.
Yeah.
You, you Like, if that Frenchdirector was here, he'd be like,
wow.
Yes.
That is what I did.
That is what I did.
Yeah.
But you know, again, like Isaid, I, there's, if you give me
enough coffee and time, I can, Ican probably draw parallels
between almost anything.
I mean, you really did.

(01:15:22):
Thank you.
I just think this movie is ahate crime.
This, yeah.
This movie, this is a directattack on gay people.
Yes.
Because the thing is, is thatthe previous two movies had our
hot teen idols, characters andactors that were gay icons.
You all lured us with a thirdone.

(01:15:44):
And what happened?
You put somebody on the posterThat wasn't even in the movie.
That's what happened.
Was it even on there?
That's what happened.
I'm offended.
Yeah, if you want to watch it,I'm not gonna stop you, but just
know that you don't have to,.
There's, there's so many betterthings out there to watch.
But if you do watch it, pleaselet us know.
Anything.

(01:16:04):
Yes.
Anything, yes, yes, yes.
Actually, you're desperate.
You can hit me up on theInstagram or email or whatever.
I, I want to commiserate withyou.
I want to, I want, did we misssomething?
I don't know.
Maybe.
No, we didn't.
We didn't.
The whole world is on our sidehere.
and there's some things whereI'm like, okay, well just
because the majority thinks it'sso, does not mean that it's

(01:16:25):
true.
True.
This movie is the exception.
Oh, it sucks.
It's pretty bad.
Yeah, it's pretty offensive.
It's in again, it's not in thecamp of so bad is good.
Like No, no, no, no.
Not at all.
Evil Bong I thought was ahorrible movie.
I enjoyed that way more than Ienjoyed this movie because this
movie is like, there, it's soflavorless, you know, it's like

(01:16:48):
you go to.
A deli and you want to getyourself a nice, robust,
flavorful sandwich.
A chopped cheese.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or a Ruben or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they give you an emptysandwich bag.
Oh, there's not even private.
Yeah.
Well it, it's the sandwich bagthat they, they stored the
onions in before they ran out ofonions.
That's what this movie is.

(01:17:10):
It's such a, it's adisappointment.
Oh my God.
There's no, there's no flavor toit.
But you can, like, there's justenough of like a shadow of what
it could have been and that it'sjust like, damn, dude, why?
this is literally, and I, I, Idon't say this lightly,
genuinely the worst movie I'veever seen.
And I've been to a lot of small,independent, film festivals

(01:17:33):
'cause I'm in a collective andwe make movies.
Yeah.
So like, we'll go to festivals.
I've seen a lot of shit.
And this is.
Yeah, this is shit.
This is at the bottom of it.
This is shit.
The worst movie I've ever seen.
I think like the horror moviethat I made when I was 12 is
more entertaining than thisprobably.
Oh, by the way, did you did tellthem about it.
Oh, we found something.
I, we, this we, you have to findthis.

(01:17:56):
I, so apparently, I learned thisfrom my little sister commenting
on our videos, but we, me and mysisters filmed a horror movie
back in the nineties.
'cause of course we were ahorror family and it was called
like the Scissor Murderers orthe Scissor Serial Killer.
So Fun.

(01:18:16):
And I was the killer.
Of course.
Duh.
Well, we have to find thisfootage.
You really do have to find thisfootage.
Oh.
And if it, we will throw it up.
If it, we will analyze it andsee if it's better than this
movie.
We should.
Well that's all I really have tosay about this movie.
Do you have anything else thatyou have to say?
I.
I wanna go home.
Beautiful.
I need to start editing thisanyway, because I have to submit

(01:18:38):
my computer for repair.
So, just to let y'all knowthere's a possibility the next
episode or two might be delayedbecause I have to get my
computer fixed.
There's nothing like majorlywrong with it.
It's just the keyboards likefucked up.
I mean, I have to digest thetrauma that I just watched that
too.
Yeah, you need to go I need tocleanse myself, eat some fruit
and do a face mask.
I'm gonna eat some Cheetos, burnsome sage, something like that.

(01:18:59):
But you know what I do, butthank you for that queer
analysis.
Of course.
Like that is, that is aconnection.
Thank you.
That is a connection.
I wouldn't have been able tothink of that.
I do my best.
I do my best.
And the fact that I threw thattogether maybe like two hours
ago, that's why it's not likesuper, super deep.
It is very surface levelanalysis, but hey, we're, we're,

(01:19:19):
we got a connection.
Listen, yeah, if there's onething I'm good at, it's coming
up with some good shit lastminute.
That's how half of my dragnumbers are.
I pull it together the daybefore.
Notice also that this was so badthat I did not burp.
I was gonna say, you didn't do asingle burp this episode.
I think right now the burp countis at like 16 or 17.

(01:19:40):
Okay.
Listen, I can't remember.
That's impressive.
I'm so tired of editingeverybody.
I cannot wait until I'm makingenough money to hire an editor.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because it's, I used to,'cause Iwatch it and listen to a lot of
other podcasts, right?
Mm-hmm.
And I retain a lot ofinformation from their episodes.
Yeah, yeah.

(01:20:00):
So whenever I hear them talkingabout previous, um, episodes
that they've done and they'rejust like, oh, I can't remember.
It was this, this, and this.
And I'm there just like, well,duh.
It's this.
Like, I remember that.
Why can't you Now I understandbecause I have gone through
editing every single episodethat I've done.
Yeah, yeah.
And I can't remember, there'sjust so much that I have to do.
I can't remember what's what,so.
It's okay because next episodeI'm gonna do our final count,

(01:20:23):
um, our final tally of, ofburps.
Hell yeah.
Hell yes, baby.
With that said, I am excited.
I think even though this moviesucked, it's going to make us so
excited for the new one.
We're gonna go see it.
It comes out this Friday.
We're gonna go see it.
Ah, yes, we are.
Oh, it's gonna, it comes out theday that this episode comes out.

(01:20:43):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
So I'm so excited to see thismovie with you.
Me too.
And I think no matter what, it'snot gonna be as disappointing as
this one.
No, there's only, only up fromhere.
Only up from here.
Only up.
And if somehow manages to beworse in this movie, we're gonna
have a lot to talk about.
Burn it down, Barbara.
Burn it all to the ground.

(01:21:04):
Shut it down.
The industry is a failure.
Start from scratch, mama.
We can't do it anymore, I doubtthat's ever gonna happen.
I mean, yeah, the, the JulieJames is coming back.
Thank fucking God.
Oh.
Yeah.
Oh, well, I, I'll talk aboutthat on the episode.
Yeah, because I read some teaabout, the making of that movie.
Really?
I'm gonna share that for thebitching of the pot.

(01:21:25):
Yeah, I can't wait.
Yeah, it's honestly, I thinkit's some bullshit and we'll
talk about it later.
So on that cliffhangereverybody, Richard, where can
our listeners find you?
You guys could find me on thegram at Lord Fierce TikTok at
Plant Daddy md, or visit mywebsite@plantdaddymd.com.
You better?
Yes.

(01:21:46):
And you can find me Cry Baby,uh, on the Instagram at Crying
in Public.
That's crying without the G inunder public.
Of course you can follow HorrorIcon Podcast.
That's gonna be Horror Icon Pod,W-H-O-R-R-O-R, icon Pod on the
Instagram.
we'll see you next time.
Cuties talking about the newest,I know he did last summer, so

(01:22:08):
looking forward to that.
Until then, cuties, do not bescared unless you're into that
sort of thing.
Bye.

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