16. I Know What You Did Last Summer (2025)

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How are we feeling?
Are we feeling hydrated?
Oh, we could be more.
Same bottoms up.
Mm.
There we go.
That's gonna kick off.
The whole episode What is yourbook of Well, hanging out with
your Smartest and FunniestFriend.
You know me, I'll kill anybody,but.

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welcome back, cuties.
Welcome to Horror Icon.
I just said welcome twice in onesentence.
That's nonsensical.
Hi, cuties, and welcome back toHorror Icon.
You're a queer playground forall things scary, sexy, and
absolutely stupid.
I'm crybaby the spooky slut fromyour wettest nightmare.
I'm Richard Brooklyn's favoriteplants Addie.
You betcha.

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And we are finally here.
We've made it baby.
We've made it.
Baby.
We've made it.
We're talking about the rebootof I Know What You did last
summer.
this episode I was hoping to getout yesterday, but mama had to
get her computer repaired, sohere we are.
It's been a weird week.
It has been really weird.
Yeah.
I think Mercury's in retrogradeor something, right?

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That it is in retrograde.
Oh, it is.
Okay.
Mercury's absolutely inretrograde.
Very five.
Um, yeah, I was telling Richardearlier.
I was cat sitting for like alittle over a week and it was in
Flatbush, which is the samecontinent as Wick, I felt like I
was in a lawless land I didn'treally feel like going out
anywhere'cause I didn't wannadeal with public transit and,

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and who wants to go out rightnow?
It's muggy, it's humid, it'sgross.
That's true.
I think it's gonna be like 90degrees tomorrow.
Oh.
That's actually very true.
'cause I did not go outside, soa lot of people were complaining
about how hot it was.
It's pretty gross.
I was ac watching drop out tv,everybody.
That's what I was doing.
Summer, summer, summer in thecity right there.

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Oh indeed.
you know, when you have, likeyour set routine and then you
get pulled out of yourenvironment and all of that
falls away and then yousuddenly, and you're like a sim
you don't know what to do.
Raw roots impression.
I'm like, I'm like putting mybaby in the toilet and lighting
my refrigerator on fire.
That's kind of how I felt.

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Oh, I was evil when I played thesims.
Oh, me too.
Tell me.
Okay, so I used to trap peoplein that square and build walls
around them, Uhhuh and have themlike pee on themselves and then
die.
That's bad.
I, I was worse.
Oh wait.
Oh you worse.
Oh my God.
Please don't judge me for thispeople.
I promise I'm a really niceperson.

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Okay.
So what did you do?
I did, obviously, you know, Ihad the Rosebud thing, so I had
unlimited money and resources.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what I would do,'cause themaximum, size you could have for
a family would be eight.
Right?
You could only go up to eightpeople.
So I would make a family ofeight two or four kids and, and
four parents.
It was a very like polyamorous,like very polyamorous household.

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Um, but what I did, it was verylike, saw meets the hunger
Games, like squid games kind ofthing.
I would build this mansion.
Yeah.
And I would have rooms with likedifferent challenges in it.
And whoever performed the worstin the challenge, I would lock
in the room and I would Okay.
I would like, I would kill themin different ways.
Like, I would let them starve todeath.
I would turn it into a swimmingpool.

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I would put fireworks, whateverthe case may be.
And I would just like, theywould die.
And then there would be onesurvivor from every family.
And I let them live in a, thevictory house on the same
property, like this beautifulmansion.
And eventually when I got toeight survivors, I did an all
star season where Oh my God.

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Yeah.
And I did that a couple rounds.
And the worst part is I didn'tgive them names.
I, they were numbered.
But like I, I wrote out thenumber, like the winner, the
ultimate victor of all this wasa little girl and her name was
four spelled PHOR.
But the thing is, even thoughshe was the winner of all of

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this, because so many people haddied on that property, it was
haunted as fuck.
There were ghosts all the time.
'cause the sims had ghosts.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the, um, of course there wasall of the fucking graves, like
the, the headstones in the back.
So even though four had one waslike the ultimate victor.
Her quality of life was trashbecause she was scared to death

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from all of the ghosts.
The trauma.
Yeah.
Well, and the trauma of course,but all of the ghosts that were
just swarming this victory houseit.
Listen, it sounds worse than itis.
I promise I'm sane.
It's better that I do that in avideo game than in real life.
Touche.
You know what, what I'm saying?
Like, touche, I got it outta mysystem.
Yeah, yeah.
Who knows what would've happenedif I did?

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And now look at us now.
A fucking, we're good.
We're friends.
A cross dresser, even though I'mnot in drag today, everybody,
it's like I said, lawless land.
I'm actually, I'm dressed like afucking 5-year-old.
I'm in a shirt that's probablyfive sizes too big for me.
It goes down to my knees.
I don't have to wear pants if Idon't want to.
You don't have to, but I am.
Oh, I'm wearing gym shorts, sowear fine.

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I'm decent, everybody.
What are you drinking today?
I'm having a, a ginger kombucha.
Uh, we're just helping mydigestion because I got fucked
up last night off some bougiemartinis.
Mm-hmm.
And at 2:00 AM I think I orderedThai food and ate it.
Oh, that sounds so good.
No, So Richard is hungover andthe sky is blue and today ends

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in y.
No, but good for you.
Thai food sounds fucking great.
Yeah, and I swear ginger don'tdrink that much.
It just happens that when wefilm this, I happen to party the
day before.
Well, I mean, it is Sunday.
Not to say that you have astandard issue, nine to five
job, but Saturday night's apretty juicy Yeah.
Party.
But we usually film on Mondays.
King of Drag comes out tonight.
Have you been watching King ofDrag?

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I haven't, no.
Girl.
And this is to all you listenersout there too.
I fucking live for King of Drag.
Really?
The production quality, ofcourse, it's, its first season.
It's low budget, but it's somuch fun.
Is it on logo?
it's an app called Reverie,which it, how dare you
disrespect this, this pioneeringapplication like that.
You couldn't have held it.
Richard.
Just letting you know, thattasted like Pat t.

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Ugh.
And it smells like it too.
It's this app called Rey,R-E-V-R-Y, Rey.
'And it's a queer app with queermedia.
Mm.
And they have King of Drag,which is the first, drag king
television competition series.
Oh.
So it's all kings.
And first off, this cast is, Ilove each and every one of them.

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Mm-hmm.
Shout out to our, our queen's,royalty Tuna melt.
Yeah.
Tuna melt.
Love you.
Bs.
But yeah, so you like the castis wonderful.
The, the, again, the productionquality is like, it's a par, but
it's, it's the first season andhonestly the first season of
this is better than the firstseason of Drag Race.
Oh my God.
The first season of Drag Racewas, Uh, anyway, back to King of

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drag.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
It is great.
It's the finale tonight.
I definitely, I highly recommendwatching it.
Re is free.
You can subscribe if you wannasupport queer content, which you
should.
Which you should.
Which, if you're here, I'mguessing you probably do.
but the, the artist, my favoritepart is getting to know these
artists.
When I tell you this, and thisisn't me being a shady bitch,

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I'm getting to Shady bitch.
Yeah.
I'm getting to a point with DragRace where I'm still happy to
see the Queens.
Right.
I, I think I know where you'regoing with this.
Well, I'm just having a hardtime connecting to so many of
them.
I just don't like drag raceanymore.
Well, that too.
I'm gonna be honest.
No, like the past few seasons.
And by few I mean like, what,10?
I don't, I don't even know whatseason we're on Uhhuh.

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It's just too formulaic for me.
Mm-hmm.
And it's the, I missed when.
The queens had to make their owncostumes and we saw them
struggling, hot gluing thingsand just being like, I don't
know what I'm doing.
Well, because at that point itwas, At that point, that really
smells like pad tie somebodylight a fucking match.

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So, so, wow.
Wow.
I felt it right.
My nose, everybody felt it.
Well, this is, I warned you,we're gonna be very close today.
I know.
Anyway, to your point, I think,and this isn't to say that when
you collaborate with a designer,it's not in good part your
vision as an artist.
Right.
But when you had back then isyou had a lot more creative

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agency, a lot more likeinvolvement on the drag artist
part.
Mm-hmm.
Whereas now it's, it's basicallylike the red carpet.
Who are you wearing?
And I.
There's nothing inherently wrongwith that, but to judge people
on their ability to affordthings mm-hmm.
Versus their ability to createthings is where I am turned off.

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Yeah.
Because, because you could,anyone who's like rich enough,
they could buy a fabulouscostume.
Mm-hmm.
And it's unfair that they'relike, wow, that's so beautiful,
bitch, you didn't even fuckingmake it.
Yeah.
And there's, I will say anargument is probably like,
there's the taste factor.
Like if someone has quoteunquote good taste, I personally
feel like that concept is.

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Stupid.
It's stupid.
Like this idea of good tasteversus bad taste.
Um, it's not about taste andlike knowing what you, I guess
like curating a look like thereis some skill in that, but it's
a lot more impressive whenyou're the one creating it.
Yeah.
It's art.
Yeah.
So I'm with you there.
Um, but back to my initialpoint, it's like a lot of these

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queens be kind of back to thewhole plug and play.
Like you can tell who's a fillerqueen on drag race right away.
Mm-hmm.
And it's hard to connect withthem because A, the edit doesn't
do anything for them and theyjust kind of disappear.
They're just there as cannonfodder to go home.
With King of Drag, I genuinely.
Connect with and enjoy each andevery artist.

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Mm.
Even the, the people that gohome super early.
I'm just like, I really fuckwith these artists and it brings
me so much joy to see drag kingswith this platform finally
getting like exposure andrecognition that they deserve.
Because kings are wonderful.
Yeah.
There's, and they don't getenough recognition.
They don't, misogyny is,misogyny is real in the gay

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community.
Just because you suck dickdoesn't mean that you're not a
dick.
You know what I'm saying?
No, no, no.
There's too many people outthere who are like gate keeping
drag and thinking that it's onlyfor men who want to dress as
women when it's really usinggender as a paintbrush.
Yeah.
That's all it is.
Yeah.
And, and kings are just ascapable of some really fun
campy, like high fashion kind oflooks if you just wanna reduce

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it down to looks.
'cause there's so much more todrag.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the big argument againstKings is like, what about the
looks.
It, it's drag is like aboutcommentary.
Mm-hmm.
It's about art.
It's about what's your point ofview on things?
What's the camp, what's thecomedy?
Mm-hmm.
What's your take?
Like I, I feel that pageantry,granted there is a place for

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pageantry.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
But I think in terms of thebigger picture of drag, it's
more than just pa pageantry.
And I think it's silly for us tojust hold.
All drag queens and kings tothat standard.
Exactly.
And to sit there and say like,oh, what's a drag king gonna do?
Wear a suit and tie every weekon the runway when your fave is

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wearing a corset and a pantyevery week.
Yeah.
I mean, come on.
It's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
Different color.
Like it's, anyway, um, that wasa tangent I wasn't expecting to
go on.
Um, I know what you did lastsummer.
Yes.
So yes, we saw, I know we didlast summer.
We saw it together.
We did.
Which was really fun.

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It was a really fun experience.
It was a really, really funexperience.
So what we're gonna do,everybody we're of course we're
gonna start with like a generalspoiler free kind of gig, and
then we're gonna go into spoilerterritory.
What I will say is there's, justwatch it first before, and this
is my stance on any movie.

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Mm-hmm.
Watch it first before you takein any kind of like, critique,
criticism or anything like that,don watch it on your own and
form your own opinion.
Don't rely on mine.
Or don't definitely don,definitely don't rely on
Richards.
Definitely.
No, no, no, no, no.
Um, I am here for purelyentertainment purposes.
That's, yes.
Definitely not your thoughts.
Definitely not.

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But yeah, like I, of course Iunderstand there's some people
out there that need to have likethat, that precursor before
going into a horror movie.
A little tease.
Yeah.
That's not what I'm talkingabout.
Like, well, I'm talking aboutthere's some people who just
because of anxiety or because oftheir relationship with horror,
they need to know going in,like, where's the jump scare?
Where's the, this, I'm nottalking about y'all do your
thing.
I'm talking about the averagecasual person.

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Just like if you can see a moviewithout getting anybody else's
opinions before going in, do it.
I feel like that's veryimportant.
That's always the best route.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just go into it like judgmentfree, not expecting anything.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Because I feel, and this, Iguess we can just like jump into
it.
I feel like had I gottenpeople's opinions before seeing

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this movie, it would've coloredmy experience a lot more.
Mm-hmm.
Because.
A lot of people didn't like it.
What?
Yeah.
Right.
I'm shook.
Yeah.
I loved it.
It was so fun.
It was so good.
It was such a fun movie and Ifeel like, um, yeah.
What, oh, I am curious what thehaters have to say.
A lot of it I think is validstuff.

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Okay.
Like a lot of the critiques I'veseen because I have not done
any, any research whatsoever.
I have not read any reviews.
I didn't even watch the trailer.
Like, I want to go, I want to goin this fucking fully raw.
Mm-hmm.
And I bet it's just, it's soenjoyable.
'cause there's so manydelightful surprises in this
movie.

(13:46):
Oh, so many.
Especially if you're a fan ofthe first two movies.
So many Easter eggs.
but yeah, a lot of the critiquesthat I've seen were particularly
around like the tone.
I can't remember if I had thisconversation with you'cause I
get it.
I clocked it.
The tone of this movie whilefun, sometimes it feels
disjointed.
There were moments where I feltlike I was going back and forth
between two separate movies.

(14:07):
Oh, yes, yes.
One that felt more grounded,like the first one, and one that
felt a little bit more campy andself-aware and self-referential.
Like scream.
I didn't mind it.
I didn't either.
I think it's because I alreadyhave troubles focusing my
attention.
So the fact that we jumpdifferent tones, I was
entertained.
It was a benefit for you?
It was a benefit, yeah.

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I'm like, I switched tones allthe time.
I could be happy, I could besad, I could be angry.
Wow.
That's the human experience.
What I, I think, I think I mightbe human.
Barely.
Yeah, no, I'm with you.
I didn't think it was bad.
I clocked it.
I know.
I, I, I, when you told me afterwe saw it, it makes sense.

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Mm-hmm.
I agreed with you completely.
Yeah.
But I don't think it'snecessarily as a, a negative to
this film.
Mm-hmm.
For me.
No, no, no.
Yeah.
So you loved it?
I loved it, yeah.
As being someone who needs like,or I like lose track of things.
Mm-hmm.
It kept, it kept me engaged.

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Yeah.
It was engaging.
I think it's very Gen Z.
It is.
It's very Gen Z.
Again, I don't mind, I saw a lotof things that were like
negatively just like, oh, thisGen Z asked script.
And I'm like, well.
The characters of Jen's.
And we're back.
And we're back.
That tasted good too.
I bet it did.

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okay.
So we talked about, the tone abit all over the place.
Tone.
Yes.
I do wanna revisit the notionthat there is so much in this
movie to enjoy if you are a fanof the first two movies.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Some big stuff and some littlestuff.
Right.
How'd you feel about that?
I, I mean, there was a moment.

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I, I literally held your hand.
I was like, it's, it'shappening.
It's happening right now.
We literally were, we werebeating the shit out of each
other with excitement.
Like we were just doing, we weredoing this the whole time.
It was, it, not only were thereamazing reveals, that pay homage
to the first two movies, but Ialso love that they showed

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environments, that also were ofthe previous two worlds.
Mm-hmm.
It's very clear to me that thedirector, um, I, hold on, let me
pull up her, I'm gonna pull upname real quick.
Yeah.
Who's the director?
Um, she's, Uh, Jennifer CatonRobinson, who this is a, as far
as what I could see, this is thefirst feature horror that she's
done.
Oh.
She does a lot of writing andshe directed a dark comedy.

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I watched the trailer thismorning.
I actually kind of wanna see it.
What was it?
Dark comedy?
It's called, it's called DoRevenge.
It's on Netflix.
It feels very like John TuckerMust Die Meets Jawbreakers,
which I, I love Jawbreaker.
I don't think I watched JohnTucker Must Die.
I mean, all you know is justsome guy fucks somebody over and
they try to kill him.
They don't try to kill him, butthey try to sabotage him.
It's that kind of narrative, butit does have a little bit of a

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jawbreaker's darkness to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A dark humor.
Yeah.
So, which I could kind of seenow.
Now I'm reflecting back.
Yes.
This movie is, it's cheeky asfuck.
Yeah, it is.
Cheeky as fuck.
It, it made me laugh.
Mm-hmm.
Well, and I think that goes backagain to, That duality that we
noticed where there's somepoints that are just so funny
and then there's some pointsthat are so grounded.

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Mm-hmm.
And I could tell that, thisdirector really loved this
franchise.
Oh yeah.
You know, you could, she put alot of love into it.
You can tell that this, like yousaid, the director did her
homework.
Mm-hmm.
She did.
And I do think that there,another critique that I've seen
of this is that it's too fanservicey.
What's wrong with that?

(17:41):
I, you know, I think when youare Well, that's, that's a good
point.
I personally don't have aproblem with fan service.
At as, as long as it doesn'ttake away from the story you're
trying to tell.
Yeah.
Right.
Some people aren't crazy aboutfan service.
They feel.
The, the crew is just creatingthis moment simply because it's
like the popular choice.

(18:02):
Okay.
But that also brings me toanother thing that I don't think
was fan service that I think wasreally bold.
They made some bold decisionshere that I don't think were fan
servicey.
I don't wanna get too much intodetail.
That's true.
That is not fan servicey at all.
Took some, but it was great.
Some big, bold swings that a lotof people I've seen were not
happy about.
Oh, what?

(18:22):
Right.
You and I, obviously we have thesame kind of.
Appreciation for stuff, whatpeople Oh, that made the whole
thing.
I agree.
Hmm.
I agree.
alright, the last things I'mgonna say.
I have, um, I threw with alittle poll on the Instagram
asking people who saw it, likewhat they thought.
I love a poll.
Um, so of course you do.

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So I got a couple of responses.
One of them was you, so what Iasked, wait, I answered this
question.
Yes.
So I threw this up on the horroricon Instagram.
I was just like, if you saw thenew, I know you did last summer.
What are your thoughts?
Oh, you responded with Fuck yes.
Which I already knew.
Um, but I got a couple of otherresponse.
Um, spill it.
All right.

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A friend of mine from adifferent state, uh, it's ed on
Instagram, said absolutelyphenomenal.
10 out of 10.
We love it.
We love it.
Now the next one, this is thelast one that I'm gonna share
too.
It's from our friends at Sleigh,a queer Buffy podcast.
Oh, mm-hmm.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Hi out there, cuties.
They said, it was fun and Ithink people may have nostalgia

(19:25):
goggles on for the quality tothe og, as in I love the first
one, but I don't think thatthere was some huge drop in
quality.
It was campy.
So what I think they're sayingis that they liked it like we
did.
But I think, They're also makingthat point of just like some
people are holding the originalto, uh, on too high a pedestal.

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It was good, but this isn't ahuge deterrent from it.
It's camper.
Sure, yeah.
But it's not like the first oneis like this untouchable
masterpiece.
It's not it.
No.
The, it's no.
So, yeah, you know, our friendsat Slay a queer Buffy podcast
give them a follow.
They agree with us.
They think it was a lot of fun.
It was really campy and it was afun movie.

(20:07):
Oh yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And with that said, everybody,we have to get into spoiler
territory now'cause I don't knowif we can speak anymore in
eighties.
So, um, I will say, if youhaven't watched it yet, go out
and watch it and come back.
Especially if you really enjoythe first two movies, I think
you're gonna Yeah.
I.
I think you'll enjoy it.

(20:28):
I, I really think you'll enjoyit too and watch it in theaters
too.
Yes.
I don't, I do not think youshould wait for it to be
streaming to watch this.
Going to the theater and knowingthat you're seeing this with
other fans of the franchise isan experience.
Mm-hmm.
Like when we were there, it wasjust a few of us are, uh, filing
in and it was literally justlike all gay dudes.

(20:50):
Yeah.
I, we, I thought that was reallyfunny.
It was a little giggle fest.
Yeah.
A little gay giggle fest, alittle gay giggle fest.
It's just nice seeing otherpeople that.
Enjoy the same things that youenjoy, but actually getting to,
to see them in person.
Mm-hmm.
Even though you don't sayanything, you're sharing the
same space.
Or like when there's a jumpscare, there's a group laugh.
I think what's missing thesedays is that sense of being with

(21:13):
each other.
Mm-hmm.
Rather than just being online.
I agree with you.
A million percent.
I will say this until the day Idie, horror movies I feel like
are best viewed in theaters.
Mm-hmm.
And in those kind of communalsettings for that reason,
because it's so fun andexciting.
It's like going to a hauntedhouse, kind of like there's
these strangers next to you andyou're all kind of like giddy

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and nervous and laughing.
It's just, it's such a fun,communal thing.
It is.
Or like when like someone getsscared.
Mm-hmm.
And then like, someone who isn'tscared, there's this little
laugh too.
Mm-hmm.
Because there was a moment whenI jumped scared.
Mm-hmm.
And everyone like, turned to melike, oh.
You silly.
You silly.
No, I agree.
It's, it's just really fun.
So yes, go see it in theaters ifyou can.
And then come right on back tous.

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And with all of that said, it'stime to get in Spoily.
Spoiler alert, cutie patties.
I do have cry.
Babies breakdown for this.
I wrote a breakdown for this,everybody.
Yay.
I can't wait to hear this.
Um, it's pretty long.
I did not memorize it.
So here we go.
Here we go.
Welcome back to anothertraumatizing 4th of July Cuties.

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And if you're wondering howhistory could possibly repeat
itself so easily, no need tolook at global current events,
just head down to the newlygentrified shores of Southport
for some fresh murderousshenanigans.
This time we're following a hot,sexy group of ambiguously, aged
Gen Z 20 somethings as theynavigate the complexities of

(22:36):
privilege, legacy,accountability, and post-mortem
skincare.
The subtle class tension of theoriginal film is now fully main
character energy.
As our final girl, Ava returnshome for her bestie Danica's
engagement party, and that'swhere we meet our very
incestuous friend group, theworking class in recovery.
Outcasts, who used to be one ofthem back when her family still

(22:57):
had money and now she's stuckworking the party for the rich
kids who left her behind wom,but fret knot, they bond again
the way all messy 20 somethingsdo with fireworks, cannabis and
accidental manslaughter.
After causing a fatal accident,the crew gets off scot-free
because daddy's got connections.
But Babes, we know the title ofthis movie.

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One year later, the friend groupis unraveled.
Bisexuality and kink make anappearance as a manifestation of
guilt and South Port's.
Police department seems moreinterested in protecting zip
codes than solving murders.
handwritten threats make a boldcomeback as our group of hot,
sexy socialites spiral into aguilt feud, modern day hot girl
research.
Oh, and what's an investigationwithout revisiting the movie

(23:42):
that started at all.
That's right.
Julie James is back now acoolest as fuck college
professor, long divorce from heremotional support ex white bread
Ray, who is also in this movie.
And honestly, daddy is fuck.
Oh yeah, he's not.
Hi, Freddie Prince.
He's not.
of course our babes and theirbabes start dropping like flies
in increasingly brutal fashionuntil it's finally revealed.

(24:04):
The real killer isgentrification, corruption, and
the riches refusal to takeaccountability.
Our working class heroes, Stevieand Ray, rise up to eat the rich
and make them pay.
That is until the collegeeducated elite show up to shut
it all down and serve up a veryclear sequel setup instead,
leaving us with one question,what will they do next summer?

(24:27):
That.
Exactly.
So that's that, um, in a, in anutshell, obviously, without all
the big beats.
that was a great breakdown.
Thank you.
Obviously I leaned very muchinto the very obvious, class
portrayal, which I clocked inthe first one.
I don't know if you, you did,you did the working class versus
like the affluence.
I definitely did not even pickthat up.

(24:48):
Uhhuh.
I was just like distracted bythe hot teens.
Yeah.
Well, they're not teens.
They're in their forties.
They're not teens.
Yes, yes, yes.
But they are hot.
That's another thing.
This cast is so hot.
They're very attractive.
There's not a single boogerexcept for two of the working
class people.
The graveyard person and theperson that works at the fucking
car.
The, the junk shop, not the junkshop.

(25:09):
Wherever they take cars afterthey get totals.
The junk yard.
Oh my God.
I didn't even remember thosecharacters.
Uh, well, I saw this threetimes.
Oh.
To prep for this'cause I havetwo.
Yeah, I have to know what I'mtalking about.
every single person in this is ababe, Interesting.
Yes.
So, uh, let's go ahead.
We're gonna bitch the pot.
I have a little bit of infohere..
So originally, Mike Flanagan waswork shopping, doing a reboot in

(25:33):
2014.
Isn't Mike Flanagan again?
He's like horror royalty.
He's he's quite good.
He did, um, oh my fucking God.
The house on, not the house onHaunted Hill.
The haunting of Hill House.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, and the fall of the house ofUsher.
Yes.
I've seen this.
Yeah, he's done some like reallygood stuff.
He's way more dark and likeemotional.

(25:54):
So I could imagine that if hehad gone through with this Reba,
it would've been, it would'vebeen way dark.
Very dark, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Gruesome even.
And just very like, rooted inthe emotional horror of it all.
Not even like the slashy elementof it, but just like, like the,
the trauma, the mind fuck of itall.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(26:14):
Little bit.
It would be a different moviefor sure.
Yeah, I would see it.
I would absolute see it.
I definitely see it.
Yeah.
Oh, and I guess this, um,, theypitched this movie after the TV
show was canceled.
I keep forgetting there was a TVshow for this.
I tried watching the firstepisode.
I couldn't get through it.
Oh, is it not good?
I just like didn't hold my, itwas too slow.
Mm.
I was trying, I was gonna, I wasconsidering watching it after we
recorded today.

(26:35):
Oh, maybe I might give it ashot.
Smoke a little bit, whatever.
But yeah, I, I tried watchingthe first, but it's just, it is,
well, the thing is, I feel likeSlashers specifically they're
really difficult to put into aTV show format.
Mm-hmm.
Because I think thinking back onthe ones that have succeeded,
like Chucky so stylized and sosoap opera esque in the

(26:59):
decisions that they make, andit's like you kind of have to do
that with TV to keep peopleengaged.
Because I don't know how, Idon't know if I could sit
through 22 episodes of justlike.
Straight slasher pacing.
You know, I think as much as Ilove a slasher, I think also for
me is that the whole idea of, Iknow what you did last summer,
is seeing Jennifer Love Hewitt,seeing Freddie Prince Jr.

(27:22):
Seeing Sarah Michelle Gellerseeing Brandy.
Mm-hmm.
It seeing these familiar facesthat I already love.
Mm-hmm.
Kind of along the lines of, doyou remember when Clueless came
out as a TV show?
Vaguely.
And that the only one wasDionne, right?
The only, only One.
Stacey Dash was the only onethat, the only one, which was, I
also loved the character ofDionne, but Alicia Silverstone
wasn't there.
Some of the OG cast wasn'tthere.

(27:42):
It wasn't the same.
And I tried like in Clueless,the TV show, but it did not work
out.
Yeah.
So even though you could try torecapture it sometimes it's all
about the star power too.
That's true.
Like, like it celebrates thoseactresses.
That's true.
'cause thinking about it.
We love Chucky.
That's why Chucky worked.
We're there for Chucky.
Yep.
If it wasn't for Chucky, thenmm-hmm.

(28:03):
Like if they remade the dolls tolook like something else.
Well, they did that with the2019 remake.
That's trash.
Sorry.
See, sorry, not sorry.
I didn't even cover it on thefranchise season.
That's how much I didn't likeit.
I didn't even bother.
I, I don't even know if Iacknowledged that it was there.
I'm not even kidding.
'cause I, I did it with Donnie.

(28:23):
I did the whole Chucky series.
I don't even know if Imentioned, I think you did.
Whether or not I was gonna becovering the, the reboot because
as far as I'm concerned, itdoesn't exist anyway.
Oh, okay.
So TV show.
I might give it a shot.
I'll let you know anything.
But I generally stay away fromTV shows on this podcast.
I wanna stick with movies.
'cause it's like a TV show is aninvestment.

(28:46):
It's a long time.
It's a long time.
So that's every episode.
I know.
But after that was canceled,that's when they decided to
pitch it.
this one, it was co-written anddirected by Jennifer Caton,
Robinson.
she's a huge fan.
And she's also Sarah MichelleGeller's best friend.
Oh.
Wow.
Now the tea is, she wasapparently trying really hard to

(29:08):
find a way to get SMG back inthis movie.
Mm.
She was just like, I think Iwrote a quote.
she said, I tried to pitch somecrazy shit too.
I was like, what if it's likeyou weren't dead and you're
actually alive, but in hiding?
And Sarah's like, I was on ice.
I was the most dead person.
I was the most dead a personcould be.
You can see my frozen body.

(29:30):
I am dead.
I am Sarah dead.
Geller.
I love Sarah Michelle Geller.
Me too.
She is so funny.
But I get it.
Like, how many times have wegriped and groped about her
dying in that movie?
You know?
I get it.
Sarah Michelle Geller is just a,a, a a a joy to have on screen.
And if her best friend isdirecting the movie, she's gonna

(29:50):
be like, I'm gonna find a way toget you in here.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Now this next fact, probably nottrue, but I wrote it down
because I feel like it'ssomething that you would enjoy.
I love entertaining the idea ofthis, whether or not it's true,
it doesn't matter.
I love being entertained.
It's my head cannon.
So, apparently the house wherewe see Julie James, you know,
where she's living in thismovie?

(30:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Apparently that was the housethat they used as Buffy
Summers's house.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer knewthat wooden frame looks, it
looks kind of familiar.
Familiar right I see it.
I don't know if this isaccurate, but it was on IM db.
Oh my God.
Which I always take with a grainof salt, but I'm just gonna put
that out there as like, you canchoose to believe this if you

(30:33):
want to.
Oh my God, I'm gagging rightnow.
I isn't that such a fun thought?
I'm, I'm, it's so likedelightful.
The layers.
also, just, I had to say, yourfirst outfit on the first
episode.
Mm-hmm.
Also reminds me of Buffy whenyou runs down the hallway and
the season two.
Yep, yep, But also just lettingyou know that whenever I have to
run anywhere in Bushwick, Ithink of that scene and it makes

(30:56):
me run faster.
I heard just like slowly runningdown the, whenever I turn a
corner, that is what goes on inmy eye.
Yes.
For those of you who areunaware, we are talking about
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Seasontwo, episode 21.
God, it's the penultimateepisode.
It's a two part season finale,and there's Buffy gets tricked
you know, and the big bad endsup like kidnapping her friends

(31:19):
and it's just this iconic shotof her slow motion running down
the hallway, I could go on andon about Buffy the Vampire
Slayer.
I'm, but I've said it before.
I'll say it again.
I'm in a Buffy rewatch.
So anyways, anyways, uh, nextpiece of tea.
Yeah.
This is one that I kept seeingand it is driving me crazy how

(31:40):
it's being spun.
Apparently, Jennifer LoveHewitt's negotiations for like,
coming back into this film.
Mm-hmm.
Caused a lot of drama and, andlike, it, it like, tore the
production schedule as sunder orwhatever because she was just
like, listen.
If you're bringing me back, I'mnot coming back for a cameo,

(32:01):
like I'm not coming back.
So people can be like, ah,there's the ghost of I know what
you did last summer.
There she is.
She's like, if I'm that wink,wink, nudge, nudge.
Yeah.
She's like, if I'm coming back,I want to have like a and damn
right.
She should.
Good for her.
This whole, it's built on her.
Yes.
It's fucking built on her.
I'm glad she said something.
Me too.
Good for her.
But the narrative that I've beenseeing online is that it was her

(32:22):
fault.
She caused all this da da, da.
It's like, no, she's standing upfor her character.
Yeah.
Because, and the work that shedid a long time ago, she
deserves that.
She deserves everything.
Without her, this wouldn'thappen.
Exactly.
This is, see, this is what Ihate about Hollywood Uhhuh, is
that, you know that if a dudedid that, they'll be like, oh
yeah, give that.
Oh, that's boss behavior.

(32:43):
But because Jennifer, love, loveHewitt is a woman and older
actress too.
She all of a sudden she's abitch because, or too demanding.
Fuck you.
Yeah.
Causing drama, da duh da causingdrama.
No.
It's like she deserves all ofthat.
She wanted to have some creativeinput with her character as she
should, because it's her, herfucking character.
It's her character.
Yeah.
So it just, it really pissed meoff to see who Jennifer Love.

(33:06):
Who do you want me to fight?
Honestly, I will fight for you.
I mean, you're probably finenow, but mm-hmm.
But just letting you know Iwould have, mm-hmm.
I was in that room.
Me too.
So good on you.
I'm very happy that we got tosee as much of you in this movie
as we did J.
Love Hewitt.
We love you.
You deserve it.
Another thing that like reallypissed me off about the way that
she was treated during thiswhole experience there was a

(33:29):
video of her at the red carpetand people were body shaming her
so fucking bad.
Fuck you.
Whatever.
Similar to how the, the mediaspun her negotiations as being a
negative on her part.
I just, uh, it pisses me offthat the industry is not kind to
women from any angle.
No.
And like people tearing herapart for her body.

(33:50):
Listen, people let people havebodies without feeling the need
to comment on it, on what theyshould do, on what they should
wear, on how they should dress.
Fuck off with all that stuff.
'cause I've even seen people whowere just like, well, she's
beautiful, but she shouldn't bewearing a dress like that.
It's like, no, what is wrongwith you guys?
She's beautiful.
Period.
Like, that's not even, I wasjust so happy to see Jennifer

(34:12):
Love you.
It is working again, because Ifucking love her.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You will be thankful.
Yeah.
People have bodies with eyes.
This may come as a shock to somany people out there, but human
beings have real human bodies.
Yep.
That do real human body things.
Exactly.
And sometimes that involvesinflation.

(34:34):
Sometimes that involves deppuffing, sometimes that involves
scars.
Sometimes that involvesbirthmarks.
That is none of your fuckingbusiness to comment on.
There's a million other thingsthat people do that should be of
more concern than whether or notthey gain weight or cover up a
scar.

(34:55):
Or smile.
How about we talk about peopleraping people?
Yeah.
What about not gonna not putthem in there about that.
Yeah.
Like, but like genuinely likeyeah.
There's, there are really shittypeople out there in this world
that are really hot and I'm sotired of seeing people thirst
over them.
Mm-hmm.
As if they're, they're likefucking a gift for us.
Yeah.
No, they're probably horriblepeople.
Yeah.

(35:15):
Sorry, I just had to say that.
No, I'm glad you said, I'm gladyou said that.
So carry on.
No, I agree with you.
I absolutely agree with you.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Fuck that.
Now I pulled up Letterboxed.
Oh, that's like first, that'slike the other user review.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, yes.
This one's a significantly morecrowdsourced, I think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like social media kind ofstuff.
That one's a rating out of five.

(35:35):
Okay.
2.5 50%.
Which honestly, is that a goodthing?
I feel like it's horror.
Horror generally ranks lower.
That's one thing too, you haveto keep in mind When it comes to
horror movies, they aregenerally going to be scored
lower.
Why?
Across the board.
Ah.
'cause people are more criticalof horror.
They think it's silly.
Whatever.
Anyway, these are all half astar reviews.

(35:57):
Somebody said, just give yourmoney to charity and let the
nineties rest.
Oh, that's funny.
Somebody said, now why couldn'ty'all leave Brandy out of this?
Okay.
That, that was funny.
That's also funny.
That was funny.
The good letter box, I have twosomeone said.
Not a single diva down, whichhonestly, actually I liked it.

(36:19):
Me too.
I liked it.
Not a single diva down.
Yeah.
And then someone said, obsessedwith everyone in that friend
group serving face again.
'cause they're all, they'rebeautiful.
So fucking hot.
Uh, speaking of which, let'sjust talk about the characters
real quick.
Yes.
Yes.
So I have my list of characters.
We have.
Okay.
So Ava is presented to us likeshe's our final girl.
Yeah.
She has her shit together.

(36:40):
Uhhuh, I noticed in the openingshot when we meet her, she has a
Hoya Crimson Queen is eitherCrimson Queen or a Crimson
princess, which to me signifiesthat, she's a responsible gallop
with a little bit of an edge.
Was this inside or outside?
This is inside.
Beautiful.
I saw that.
I was like, the establishingshot is that not only does she

(37:03):
have a pathos, but she has aHoya too.
I'm gonna rephrase that for youthough.
Her parents are responsible'cause she doesn't live there.
Oh my gosh.
She doesn't, she's visiting.
So her parents are all of thosethings that you said, but yeah,
so she's given to us as if she'sour final girl.
I genuine believe Danica isreally the centerpiece of this
movie.
Danica is definitely, if itwasn't for her, yeah, I probably

(37:26):
wouldn't have liked it as much.
The movie feels like it followsher more.
We get Oh, definitely.
It's kind of like how in thethird one, remember how I
mentioned we spent so much timewith Zoe and like she had her
dream sequence and all thatstuff.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
She was supposed to be the finalgirl.
It felt like she was supposed tobe the final girl.
Mm-hmm.
Same principle here, but bettermovie.
And it was with Danica too.
I wanted to hate her characterbecause the thing is, is that
I'm very critical when it comesto, I would like to say like the

(37:49):
dumb blonde mm-hmm.
Character, just because I lovethat type of character so much.
A lot of my favorite moviesfeature that kind of character,
so automatically when I see oneI'm like, you better be really
good.
You better play this reallywell.
Mm-hmm.
And she turns it well.
What's great about it is theydon't play her as a dumb blonde.
They play her as a stupid smartgirl.

(38:10):
Yeah.
Like, there's some moments whereI'm just like, you're very
self-aware.
You're quite emotionallyintelligent.
But you also say like, whatMilo?
Are you an egg?
Like it's some stupid ass shitlike that.
It's, and it's like, I knowpeople like that.
Yeah.
I genuinely, I texted my bestieslash roommate, her little
sister is Danica.

(38:31):
Yes.
See the, be like the, the bestdumb blonde characters are like
that.
They're, they're too smartalmost.
But they say just kind of like,what?
Well, it's like Helen Shivers.
Helen Shiver.
Shivers wasn't stupid.
She wasn't vapid.
Yep.
Um, another, another example.
Al Woods.
Absolutely.
Um, Kelly Bundy.
I'll even say I would agree withyou though.

(38:52):
Yeah, right.
You know what I mean?
Like, everyone's like, oh,Kelly's an idiot, idiot.
I'm like, no, no.
If you really pay attention towhat she's saying, she knows
what she's doing.
She, she knows exactly whatshe's doing.
She knows exactly what to say,what to get what she wants.
Yeah.
She might not know math, but sheknows how to like, she knows how
to get what she wants.
Yeah.
With minimal effort.
Mm-hmm.
Agreed.
So, I love Danica.
We have, in my opinion, the mostforgettable person of this

(39:16):
friend group.
Is it the dude?
Yeah.
Milo.
he's like some political dude.
He's Ava's ex, um, he's, whitebreaded.
He's the Wonder Bread.
Yeah.
He's the Wonder Bread of theWonder Movie.
He's the Wonder Bread.
And then we have Teddy, who isDanica's fiance, who is.
Gorgeous.
So fucking hot.
That's a cutie.
He's a nepo baby.
He's the son of, he's, he's likethe ride Philippe.

(39:39):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Like each one of these people isgenerally like a stand-in,
right?
Mm-hmm.
Ava is the Julie and then Danicais the Helen.
Teddy is the berry Milo.
Mel was the ray or our fifthperson?
Stevie is the Ray.
Is the ray, yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we have have, when, whenthere was Oh yeah.
Because rather than four, wehave five friends.

(40:00):
We five.
That was the twist.
I was like, there are five.
So we have Stevie who used to befriends with them in high
school.
Her dad blew all of her moneyand now she's like working
class.
She's in recovery.
She had to go to rehab.
Like shit got really bad for herand she's like working this
party and she ends up just likereconnecting with them.
I feel like Stevie is Ray Milo.

(40:22):
And I feel like that's why he'sso bland, because he's not a
direct standin for, for anothercharacter.
He's the will, he's kind of thewill.
Yeah.
He's, he's without the, thestupid name reveal, you just
know that he's there to getkilled, along with that, we have
Grant, who is Teddy's dad.
He's the, the real estate mogul.
Mm-hmm.
He's the reason why Southport isgentrified as fuck right now.

(40:45):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
By the way, this is like theHamptons of the South.
There everybody has fuckingboats and automatic doors that
go to their personal privatedocks.
Very, very fancy homes.
Yes.
Very different from theSouthport that we saw in the
first movie.
Yes.
Very different.
It's not the, the quaint fishingvillage anymore.
Like this is nice.
Like Yes.

(41:06):
And that's due in part to Grantwho was like swooped in when he
saw like the murders happen.
That's why I'm like, why issomeone hating on the
references?
It's crucial to the plot.
Well, that's exactly it, becauseit's, it's, it's gentrification
1 0 1.
Yeah.
You're erasing the entirehistory for better or for worse,
So yeah.
And then we have anothercharacter.
We have Tyler, who is thepodcaster.

(41:27):
Yes.
Played by gat.
So fun.
Do you love when I like, isthat, is that you thought that
was fucking Julia Fox, thismotherfucker, but you know, I
get it though.
They're, they're both kind oflike, they're, they're both
internet it girls.
They're both, they like, youknow, they, they're style icons.
I only know about that crowdthrough, uh, the Brat album.

(41:49):
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like when I saw her face, Iwas like, oh, is that the Julia
that they're always talkingabout?
Yeah.
Oh, that's so Julia amongGabriel.
So, oh yeah.
Okay.
So my mind, I was like, oh myGod, that's like Julia right
now, bitch.
Close enough.
Yeah.
But anyways, she was delightful.
She was so great.
Another terribly hot person inthis cast.

(42:12):
Some small throwaway characters.
We have the pastor JudahGillespie and his little blonde
flocker.
I didn't get her name.
I don't think she, did she evenhave a name?
I don't know.
And she, all she does is cleanwindows and stack crates.
That's it.
She cleans windows and movesboxes.
Yeah.
We have Wyatt, who is analcoholic, and he is danica's
replacement piece aftereverything goes down.

(42:35):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And then we have Ray and Julieare back.
There's like the biggins.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, let's go ahead.
Um, again, this, this isn'tgonna be like a chronological
move through the beats.
We're just gonna talk through, alot of this stuff and We kind of
already talked on, I think the,the gentrification of it all,
which I think the true monster,the true monster of this, like

(42:56):
really well, because we, that'sone of the big reasons why, um,
well, I'm just gonna say it.
So are we gonna do it?
Yeah.
spoiler warning, final, finalalert.
We're just gonna say who thekillers are now, so we can just
talk through it.
All right.
First killer is revealed to beStevie.
Oh.
Mm-hmm.
Dun dun.
Which, um, I clocked abouthalfway through.
You did?

(43:16):
I did.
You did.
You did.
And then there's a secondkiller, which is the first and,
well, not really, I guess.
'cause we had Ben and Will.
It was a twist.
It was a twist.
It was a major to I gasped.
Yeah.
The second killer Ray, which Iam so fucking happy that they
did this.
I'm happy they did it too.
Like it takes a lot for me toget surprised.

(43:39):
I was shook.
I was shook.
And I accepted it.
I was salivating.
I I clocked that too.
I clocked that before I clockedStevie.
You did?
I did.
You did.
I remember'cause we werediscussing it and there was this
one detail.
Mm-hmm.
That Gabriel's, what's her name?
Gabriel.
Yeah.
Gabriel Gabriele did.
Yeah.
Like you.
Exactly.
And that's when, so Gabriele isa podcaster Live Laugh

(44:01):
Slaughter, which is such a goodfucking name.
Pro I.
I'm a little pissed that that'snot the name of mine.
Such a good fucking name.
They based that character off ofyou.
They better have, actually itwas you.
That's why she's so skinny.
It was you.
It was me.
It was you.
Um, no, She's so fucking funny.
And she's like a podcaster, liketrue Crime podcast, and I think
they hit the nail on the headwith that archetype.

(44:23):
But when she gets killed, shepulls the hat off of the
fishermen.
We don't see it, but we see herreaction and she's like, you,
and I'm like, okay, who in thisgroup of characters that we've
met so far, which she recognizeobviously Ray, because she's
intimately familiar with thehistory.
The history.
So I'm like, okay, so it'sprobably Ray.

(44:45):
Oh.
Which I fucking love.
I love a big swing like that.
That's a good, yeah.
That is a twist.
That is something satisfying.
Mm-hmm.
It makes sense too.
It's not like one of thosedetails that're like, oh, we
should just make.
One of the main characters akiller.
Just for the shock factor?
Just for the shock.
No, there was, it was shocking,but it made sense.
Exactly.
It's not like if you were totake scream and make Sidney

(45:07):
Prescott a killer.
Yeah.
You know, after Sydney would notdo that.
Sidney would not do that.
Ray, on the other hand, goingback to our, our conversation
about gentrification.
Mm-hmm.
Ray feels abandoned.
He feels, because he and Julieare no longer together.
Mm-hmm.
They apparently, it seems likeit was a really ugly, a messy
breakup break.
Yeah.
Both of them are just like,don't look at me, don't talk to
me.
Exactly.
I love how, it was like, wait,you were married to Julie James?

(45:29):
And he was like, unfortunately.
cool.
Yeah.
They do not like each other.
I kind of like that.
We don't know what happenedbetween them two.
I That is a kind of nicemystery.
Yeah.
I just, I think it's because heused his electronic toothbrush
wrong.
That's probably it.
I, that would drive me insane.
I want a divorce.
He just, I mean, I never, Imean, we talked about this, she,

(45:51):
every conversation they had, shewould run away from him.
They would end with her runningaway.
I'm like, this is not asustainable relationship and a
relationship built on trauma.
Of course it's not gonna workout.
So yeah, that's the breastfe fordisaster.
So, he feels forgotten.
He feels abandoned.
And of course he was workingclass in the first movie.
He's still working and he'sstill working class in this

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movie.
Poor Ray.
Granted he has his own bar,which is great, but he's
watching the same people thatbasically alienated him his
entire life, just completelysurround him and erase him.
The one thing that happened tohim that he hasn't been able to
move past, so no.
And like how fucked up like hehas been part of this town.

(46:32):
For God knows how long hisfamily, and then all of a sudden
these new people come in fuckingbuilt fancy homes and what, he's
still on that fucking dock.
Mm-hmm.
I would be pissed too.
Yeah.
Like, I get it.
I 100% get it.
I totally get it.
Uh, that's, uh, some othercritiques that I saw about this
movie where that it didn't makesense that Ray would be the
killer.
It didn't make sense.
Yeah.

(46:52):
And I'm like, I, I canunderstand some people need
things handed to them moredirectly.
You know, like some people arejust like, well, I just don't
buy that.
He wasn't able to get throughthe trauma and this that and the
other and da da da.
And I'm just like, honestly, Ido buy it.
I buy it.
There could be, there's so manynuances in the human life that
could have led him to thisbreaking point.
And we don't have to see all ofthem.

(47:13):
We don't.
He's his, his teens and hiscollege years, or not co not
college years, but his liketwenties, surrounded by killing,
surrounded by death.
Mm-hmm.
Like, that's part of his story.
So of course he's gonna becomfortable killing people
mm-hmm.
Because his friends were killed.
He was part, he he witnessedkilling.
Mm-hmm.
It makes sense.

(47:34):
And then if you factor in theother layer, because we find out
that Stevie, oh, I guess weshould, I'm gonna rewind for a
second.
So the accident that happens,you had some thoughts about it
when we walked out, right?
Because there's, of course, withthe, the first movie, there's
the inciting incident, and thenthis movie, we have to have some
sort of fresh, new situation.
Yeah.
Some secret.
They had to have done somethinglast summer.
Yeah.

(47:55):
it wasn't dramatic enough forme.
Yeah.
'cause here's what happens.
It's not like the first onewhere they're, they're partying.
They literally pick someone.
No.
'cause they are, they'rewatching the fireworks.
They, you know, Stevie's back,it's the five of them smoking
cannabis and watching thefireworks.
And Teddy is standing in themiddle of the street doing his,
like, macho thing.
And like, okay.
So he does a little, like, who'sit, what sits in the middle of

(48:18):
the, of the road?
A car like swerves off the roadand falls off the cliff?
Mm-hmm.
Woo-hoo.
That's not real.
I, I don't feel like that's.
It, the, the, the hands are notbloody enough.
I, I hit and run and then tryingto get rid of the body.
Mm-hmm.
When the body tried coming backto, to get you, and then you
threw it away and then went downto get the tiara, that is very,

(48:43):
that is blood on your hands.
Mm-hmm.
But this one seemed like a veryinnocent, accident.
I have two thoughts on that.
Okay.
Because I, I don't disagree withyou.
I do think the stakes feel alittle bit lower, but here's
why.
I do think that had theinformation gotten out that the
reason that the accidenthappened is because he was

(49:04):
smoking weed and fucking off inthe middle of this very
dangerous roadway, he would'vegotten in trouble.
It that is cause for, it's,it's, it is, it's involuntary
manslaughter, right?
Yeah.
So I do get that.
Now, here's why I don't thinkit's anything more intense than
that.
The reason in the first movie weare able to align ourselves with

(49:26):
our hot, sexy teens at the endis because we find out that Ben
Willis, the person that they hitwith their car, had just
finished killing somebody else,and now he's going after them.
Mm-hmm.
So we're like, okay, on themoral scale, they were, they
were right.
They were right.
Yeah.
You know, despite theirintentions with this one, an

(49:47):
innocent man dies.
Yes.
So they couldn't retell thatsame story of them accidentally
killing somebody who just, theywould make them happened to be a
murderer.
That's, that's too repetitive.
So they had to find a way tohave some sort of.
Incriminating incidents thatwasn't incriminating enough.
That made us question the moralstanding.

(50:09):
Okay.
Like whether or not these peopledeserved to die.
the issue at hand is that theyleave, Teddy calls his dad and
like cleans up the whole thing.
So that way it's as if they'renever there, so that way they'll
never be held accountable forit.
So that's where the issue takesplace.
Yes.
I understand the stakes are sodifferent from unintentionally
killing somebody, but from thatmoral standpoint, like they

(50:30):
couldn't pull that thing of justlike this group of teens
accidentally killed somebodybecause it would make them like
moralistically bad and you don'twanna be part of their story.
You are rooting for'em.
I get it.
Yes, I get it.
Now.
I do think it would have been alittle Like I, I feel like the
stakes would've been a littlebit higher.
Mm-hmm.
If it was just like they didn'tcall the police.
Yeah.

(50:50):
Like something really, reallyfucked up happened on that road.
Yeah.
Like if, if the, if let's saythat car crash and everything
still happened.
But they just left, they didn'ttell anybody.
That I feel like would've takenthe stakes up a little bit more.
Oh, yeah.
Um, oh yeah.
Absolutely.
But again, that puts us back inthat moral gray ground, you know
what I'm saying?
Yeah.
I get it.

(51:10):
Yeah.
And also, like, even when I waswatching it, there was
something, this is, this isn'tas high stakes, but I accepted
it because I wanted to enjoy themovie.
Yeah.
Again, kind of going back to theidea, this is a silly movie.
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
Let's.
We, they don't have our hot,sexy teens don't have to kill
somebody every time.
You know?
I want sexy people killingpeople.

(51:31):
Damnit Yeah.
But what ends up happening, thereason why the murdering is
happening is because Stevie, ourworking class hero, ended up
having a connection with theperson that died with Sam
Cooper.
Mm-hmm.
They were either like partnersor like friends.
So kinda, I think like adoptedfamily vibes.
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
From like the group photo.
Well, because with Stevie, afterher dad blew all of her money,

(51:53):
her friends dropped her, likeher rich friends, they just kind
of like did their own thing.
Yeah.
And she was left by herself.
She went through a really darktime.
She ended up meeting Sam inrehab.
Mm-hmm.
And we find out that the reasonwhy he was going up there in the
first place is'cause he wasworried that Stevie was gonna
relapse.
Yes.
And so.
That's why she's the killer.
And I totally get that.

(52:14):
She had these people whocompletely abandoned her, kind
of similar to, to what we talkedabout with Ray.
Mm-hmm.
And she lost the one thing thatreally mattered to her because
of them, uh, now that I'm likethinking about it, she was in
the car too when that accidenthappened.
She was standing on the side ofthe road.
Yeah.
So how did she not realize thatthat was her?

(52:35):
Because his friend's car, itwasn't her friend's car.
It was the passenger's car.
Oh, mm-hmm.
Which she didn't even, I don'tknow.
Probably not.
Yeah.
I don't pay attention to passengvehicles.
I don't pay attention topastors, you know, and then also
his face was completely coveredin blood.
there's a lot of things.
It wasn't his car.
Yeah, it was a different car.
It was dark.
Yeah.
Okay.
I guess Uhhuh.
now we come to find out thatStevie.

(52:57):
Is basically like a, A surrogatedaughter to Ray.
Yes.
You know, he promises, he's verywatchful her.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So if you pair the trauma thatStevie went through and the
absolute grief that she'senduring with this paternal
figure who is also dealing withso much shit.
Mm-hmm.
Like I think it makes sense.

(53:18):
It makes sense for them to beconnected.
For sure.
Is it the most logical reasonfor two characters to be
killers?
No, probably not.
But it makes sense.
What in slashers is logicalslash I'm not in the slashers
for the logic.
As long as there's likesomething that makes sense, I'm
fine.
Suspend disbelief.
Yeah, exactly.
It's fun people.
It's fun slashing and killingpeople.

(53:40):
Fun.
Ooh.
Keep this if you want.
I love the, creativity inweaponry.
Oh, you know what?
You're right.
This fisherman does feel alittle bit more brutal Yeah.
Than fisherman's past.
Because fisherman's past what a,what a great title.
Fisherman's Past.
Mm Ooh.
Catch of yesterday.

(54:01):
Get the fuck out.
I hate you right now so much.
Oh.
Um, this fishermen in previousrenditions of the fishermen
always the hook.
This time we get other fishermentools.
A harpoon.
Fuck yeah.
That harpoon was used so manytimes.
It immediately feels moremodern.
Apart from the backdrop.

(54:22):
Like the weaponry.
It just feels so updated andexciting because it was the
first weapon we were introducedto.
Mm-hmm.
Even because I, it played withthe audience too.
'cause of course we're gonnaexpect a hook, but the first
kill was a harpoon.
Mm-hmm.
And we all knew who it was.
From that harpoon.
Yep.
Oh my God.
It's the fisherman.
That has to be the fisherman.
Yes.
Um, rope was used.

(54:43):
Rope was used.
It's, it's knives were used.
Actually, I feel like the hookwas only used once to kill
somebody.
Well, to kill somebody once.
To kill someone.
It was shown many times.
It was shown many times.
Gabriele was, was hooked.
But she was also hanged.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She was outside.
The only person that was likedefinitively killed, killed,
killed with the hook was,Teddy's dad.
Ah, yes.

(55:03):
Yes.
Because everybody else.
So we had the harpoon gun, wehad the rope, we had like the
hook and the hanging.
So yeah, I'll give that.
Oh, um, how they displayed Teddyand his dad.
That was so hot.
Oh my God.
It was kind of hot.
I as full erection there as, uh,as catch catch of the days.
It was so good.
Everybody I love.
And how they're opposed.

(55:24):
It was so beautiful.
It was so queer.
the idea of when we were talkingabout how the fishermen was so
extra mm-hmm.
About doing things.
We get that again here.
Mm-hmm.
Why you gotta display them likethat in poses, Ray, are you
secretly homosexual?
Right?
Hmm.
Well, and also like thinkingabout, oh my god, race bar is a

(55:44):
gay bar.
Oh, that'd be fun.
Gays bar.
You know, they called him GayRay back in the day.
Oh.
Maybe that's why him and Juliegot divorced.
Maybe what if he had an affairwith Stevie's dad?
Oh my God.
And Stevie's dad blew all themoney and ran off out of guilt.
I see it right now.
Wild Ray Ray, the gay, good oldgay ray.

(56:06):
Was it baby blue?
Billy Blue?
Billy Blue.
Billy Blue?
Who?
Billy?
Billy.
Blue is, is homosexual raisedgay?
I do wanna say something realquick.
I'm gonna throw it back to thefisherman being extra.
Oh yeah.
So one thing, I didn't noticethis until the third time that I
viewed it'cause you know,Gabriel Tyler, they go to this

(56:27):
Bayside house and like we knowthat it's shivers.
Yeah.
'cause we're just like,'causeshe's referencing the iconic
chase scene with the Hell shivershirt.
This where happened.
When she gets hanged I noticedthe Bayside sign had been
dislodged and behind it was theold shiver sign.
Oh, it was a fun little treat tosee that.
I just got a shiver.

(56:48):
Yeah, it was really cute.
Oh my God.
I need to re-watch it.
So that's extra too.
She's a queen of the past.
Talking about the, the fanservice of it all.
Yeah.
And like more Easter eggs.
I love that they had a scenetake place in what, once was the
shivers department store?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
But what I will say whenGabriele brings Ava to, it's

(57:11):
like the Bay House or somethinglike that.
Yeah.
I thought it was the gym atfirst where Uh, no, but we do
get the gym.
Oh, we do get the gym.
Yeah.
Yes, we do get the gym.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The steam room.
So, and you know what, that justtakes me to, I do think that a
huge theme of this movie, andthis is not a groundbreaking
observation, there's a heavycommentary on gentrification in
this.
A hundred percent heavy.
A hundred percent.

(57:33):
We get all of these iconic setpieces from the previous movie.
Gentrified.
Gentrified.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
We get the, the shittydepartment store is now like a
fancy restaurant or so somethinglike a fancy restaurant or
something.
The shitty gym that we commentedon, that's just like lockers
next to a punching box.
Oh, next to the shower?
Yeah.
Everything's super close.
Has like a steam room and it'slike super fancy.

(57:54):
Yeah.
Raised bars, like the onlydilapidated thing that we see.
Everything else is just so, soYachty elegant, white and
fucking Exactly.
Fucking windows and I feel likethey, they almost had to do
something like that with thismovie.
They have to, I mean,'cause it's27 years later.
So much has changed, but that's,that's what happens.
Yeah.
Like that is the, that is truehorror.

(58:16):
That is realistic horror.
Mm-hmm.
Seeing your old neighborhoodturns to something that is not
where.
Represents who you are.
Mm-hmm.
And then people trying to like,make a profit off of it.
Mm-hmm.
Fuck you.
And then tell you that yourhistory has no value.
Fuck.
I'm gonna put a hook in you.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, I get it.

(58:37):
Um, because I, I, that remindsme when I went back to my
hometown mm-hmm.
Fremont, California.
Mm-hmm.
And where there was an abandonedparking lot with like this
freaking bank that no one wentto is now a Whole Foods.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh my God, Ican't believe this parking lot
that everyone used to get highin is now a Whole Foods.

(58:58):
And I'm like, I'm gonna go inthere.
Why not?
Mm-hmm.
You know?
And I was like, wow, this iswhat that bank actually looked
like.
'cause no one went to that bank.
Yeah.
But you could see like theremnants of the bank just now,
there's like a whole likeorganic freezer section.
Mm-hmm.
I'm like, this is so funny.
Yeah.
I've been, I've been in New Yorkfor like, just under 10 years
and like even in that 10 years,just seeing how much things have

(59:19):
changed so much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like walking through,neighborhoods that I used to
live in and just being like.
What even is this now?
Yeah.
And it's, you know, I canacknowledge that, you know, and
it's an uncomfortable place tosit.
Like I'm part of the problem.
I'm a transplant.
I moved out here.
Yeah.
I live in Bushwick, which isdefinitely a very gentrified

(59:41):
neighborhood.
Yeah.
You know, I think, well I wasactually talking about this with
one of my neighbors who actuallyhas lived here for 30 years, has
daughters here.
Mm-hmm.
She's a grandma herself.
And we actually talked aboutgentrification of her
neighborhood and stuff.
Mm-hmm.
And she said that from herperspective, there are the good
ones and the bad ones.
Mm-hmm.
The good ones are those who wantto make friends with her.

(01:00:04):
Mm-hmm.
That want to be part of hercommunity.
That's exactly it.
Also working class too.
Mm-hmm.
She's like, Richard, you arejust like me.
You are just like my daughters.
You are trying to make a livinghere.
You're trying to make yourdreams come true.
You, you know, you're not comingin with your parents' money
trying to improve things.
You are just trying to be partof our story.

(01:00:25):
You are a good one.
And I think that's thedifference.
Exactly.
That's the difference being partof the community.
But she was like, but yourfucking, your fucking neighbors
though.
Those are the ones who came inwith their daddy's money.
Not working.
She's like, I've never seen thatperson work.
Mm-hmm.
And yet complaining abouteverything around here.
Noise complaints up the wazoo.
Yes.
See, that's the thing.
I read an article, I can'tremember which bar it was.

(01:00:47):
There was a bar in a queer barin Brooklyn or Queens I think,
where, somebody had moved in andkept complaining about this bar
that had been there for years.
Being too new for, yeah.
See, no.
And it's like, here's the thing.
If you, if say it, if you don'twant to be a part of the

(01:01:09):
community, don't fucking movethere.
Don't move there.
Do not move there.
Don't come into thesecommunities that have been so
curated and cultivated forcommunities that.
Nine times out of 10 are at adisadvantage.
Exactly.
Like in every sense of the word.
Exactly.
And then kick them out and likecomplain about the fact that
there's a fucking a meat storeright there.

(01:01:31):
And there's a bar right therethat's making noise.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're throwing a blockparty.
If you don't like that shit,don't fucking move there.
Get outta here.
Get the fuck out.
We never wanted you anyways.
Yeah.
And that's kind of like, that'swhat we see here is like they
are because you are ignoring theactual culture and history of
that neighborhood.
Exactly.
And you're trying to make itinto something that it's not.

(01:01:51):
You chose to come here, Uhhuh.
These people were born hereuhhuh.
So fuck off.
If you're gonna be a rudeneighbor, you should be nice.
Yeah.
So I think, you know, I be niceto your neighbors.
Be nice to your neighbors.
Be nice to your neighbors.
Say hello to them.
Mm-hmm.
I'm not telling you to bebesties with them.
No.
Just don't be a dick.
Don't be a dick.
And don't move in.
Don't move into a, a buildingand complain that there's not a

(01:02:12):
Starbucks right there.
Oh, but yeah, I'm really gladthat gentrification was a part
of the conversation in thismovie.
I'm glad.
Yeah.
Could they have gone deeper?
Of course you can.
Always deeper.
No.
Yeah.
They could've definitely gonedeeper, but to, to take
something that was kind ofsubtle in like, making it this
huge backdrop that this movietakes place in.
Mm-hmm.
I was really happy with, I wasvery happy with it too.
That, that that's the main bad.

(01:02:34):
Yeah.
The symbolic bad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the fact that even thoughthis is a, a, a fun summer
horror movie, the fact that weare able to, to analyze it in
this way shows that it's a goodmovie.
Yeah.
That's why those who rated itnegatively.
I don't think you, I don't thinkyou actually thought about this.
I think you read deep into thewrong parts instead of reading

(01:02:55):
deep into like the biggerpicture, in my opinion.
Yeah.
Well, and I don't even know iflike, there's intention without
taking itself too seriously.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that's, I love tolive there, kind of like.
Yeah, exactly.
Kind of like drag.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Like are you gonna come aftersomeone's corset or like, oh,
you know, that was, or are youactually looking at the whole

(01:03:16):
performance, what the idea is?
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
And did you like it overall?
Yeah.
Listen, did they, there will,did they, did they perform well?
If they did, you probably likedit.
And here's the thing, there willalways be notes for improvement
in every art form.
And that should not take awayfrom whether or not it's worthy
of being enjoyed.
Yeah.
At all.
I thoroughly enjoyed this movie.

(01:03:37):
Me too.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
What's another moment thatstands out to you?
I already know you're gonnabring it on.
Go for it.
Sarah Michelle Geller.
Yeah, baby, baby comes back.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
Not only does she come back,but.
S Glittered beautifullyglittered through the whole
movie.
Helen Shivers references.

(01:03:59):
Oh yeah.
I need that shirt.
That, that Gabriel, I need thatshirt.
I tried, I tried searching forthe shirt.
Mm-hmm.
I couldn't find it, but I'm justgiving it a few.
It's gotta for someone to makeit.
Yeah.
So there's a shirt thatGabriel's character wears.
It's the, that it's the onlyphoto that, it's the first photo
that pops up when you type inHelen Shivers.
That's really, it's herheadshot.
It's, it's her tiara headshotBut it says Helen Shivers Roker

(01:04:22):
Queen.
It's a fucking wonderful shirt.
It's, I need that shirt.
And we see like that sameheadshot at the photo at her
grave.
It's, it's everywhere.
It's the same fucking picture.
See, that is camp and it'sbeautiful.
Thank you.
Yes, yes.
I love that.
Use the same shot.
And because the director isbesties with Sarah Michelle
Geller.
You know Sarah Michelle Geller'slike, oh my God, that is

(01:04:43):
hilarious.
Tickled.
Yes.
Because you know what?
'cause SMG is well humored.
I'm more sure.
She's like, oh, keep it.
Yeah.
Keep doing that.
Yeah.
We, all of these references ofso many re many, they always
talk about Helen Shivers.
Mm-hmm.
Always like, we even see HelenShivers, uh, gravestone.
Yeah.
And I'm proud to say she, ohGod, she's, her birthday is

(01:05:05):
September.
Was it September 4th?
So that makes her a Virgo likeme.
Congratulations.
We served our country.
Yeah.
Virgos.
Virgos.
Finally have a win.
Virgos.
If you're out there, we havewon.
Yeah.
You have a dead bitch on yourteam.

(01:05:25):
We, Helen Shivers is one of us.
She is.
Yes.
I remember you being veryexcited about that.
I, that, that was one of themoments, uh, in the, in the
theater.
I grabbed you.
I was like, yeah.
Well, and there's also, there'slots of, like we talked about,
there's lots of like Easter eggsand references for you to enjoy.
There's the fucking paradefloat.
Oh my God.
'cause there's a chasing thathappens in a parade float.
Mm-hmm.

(01:05:46):
Um, or in like Danica escapes tothat I do have to talk about
the, the campiness and the, the,I, I thought the, the last time
I watched, I was just like,wait, why is this here?
Because this scene, this chasestarts in a cemetery and then
Danica ends up in some ambiguouswarehouse where there just
happens to be a Kroger queenparade, float next to the

(01:06:07):
cemetery.
Like, I'm like, okay, sure.
Oh God.
Those are like one of thosethings that you just because
it's so amazing, you're justlike, you know what?
Fuck.
I'll accept it.
It's really funny.
It's really good.
Um, but I also love those, shetakes off her shoes.
Mm-hmm.
Similar fashion as Helen Shiversdoes.

(01:06:29):
Mm-hmm.
When she makes her chase, sheDanica did not need to take off
your shoes to do that runningscene.
Yeah.
Well, she takes'em off beforeshe goes inside.
Maybe she's just like beingpolite, which honestly Danica
would do.
Yeah.
Actually I don't, I was like,oh, I can't get the floors
dirty.
I'm gonna die, but I can.
but yeah, so, uh, SMG HelenShiva's references up the ass,

(01:06:49):
which everywhere.
Yeah.
And that's how, you know, it'slike those things that are just
like, those are the, the, themeta self-aware references that
I need.
That's how you know that peoplethat loved this movie made this
movie satisfied me so much andit comes to this beautiful,
glorious.
Moments.
So it's, I I think Danica haslike a dream or a flashback.

(01:07:09):
It's a dream.
It's a dream.
Because she's locked into thepolice station.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a dream.
And she, she looks around andshe's at the, the Miss Croker
like pageant or something, andshe sees a backside of someone,
a blonde backside with her deadfiance lying on the stage.
Who cares about that asshole.
We were looking at the KrogerQueen, and it's like, oh my God.

(01:07:32):
You just, you could feel, youknow, you're like, wait, is it
is because the thing is thatfrom, because it's so hard not
to, to be, Shown things aboutthis movie through social media
and stuff, you know, on yourfeed.
Mm-hmm.
And I remember multiple times,Sarah Michelle Geller saying,
I'm dead.
Why would I even be there?
Mm-hmm.

(01:07:52):
Like, she kept saying that.
So I had no hopes of havingSarah Michelle Geller in this
same, I'm like, she even saidjust in photos.
Yeah.
And I, I trust Sarah MichelleGeller.
If she says she's dead, she'sdead.
Yeah.
But she is dead.
She is.
What?
That does not mean that shecannot be part of a dream
sequence.
Mm-hmm.
The Roker queen turns around andwho is it?

(01:08:13):
But the adult version of HelenShivers, I think they tried to
digitally, like de-age her tolike get as close to so
beautiful.
Mm-hmm.
She was gorgeous.
And a dress in white, beautifulbouncy blonde hair.
Mm-hmm.
The tiara.
I, I loved it.
It's so, it was such a treat,especially'cause.

(01:08:36):
There was lots of teasing up tothis moment that we didn't know
were leading to this moment.
'cause Danica had mentionedlike, oh, I've been having like
these really crazy dreams, dah,dah, dah, dah, dah.
And then she keeps drawingparallels between her and Helen.
She's like, oh, she was a, a cooqueen.
I was like, yeah.
So to have those culminate inthis dream sequence where Danica

(01:08:57):
is very clearly still digestingher guilt around everything.
Mm-hmm.
And it's being given to her viaHelen Shivers.
'cause it's like Helen Shiversis a bitch in this scene, which
as she should be.
Oh, as she should be.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's like, careful honey, who'sgot the hook?
Like, she's very catty.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like ripping into Danica.
Oh, she even has a hook Uhhuh.

(01:09:18):
She has the hook in the dream.
Yeah.
You've seen it multiple times.
You, you have it fresh.
Uh.
Because when, honestly, when Isaw SMGs face, I blacked out.
Yeah.
I, I couldn't, I couldn'tlisten.
I was just like, oh my God,queen is here.
Yeah.
The goddess is here.
As soon as we saw her back, likewe knew and we were like beating
the shit out of each other andjust like in awe.
Yeah.
It was so fun.

(01:09:39):
Oh.
It, that was such a wonderfulway, I think, to highlight
something that so many peopleloved about this first movie.
About the first movie.
Yeah.
And like.
Paying honor and tribute to itwithout ruining the plot.
Yeah.
You know, because if theybrought her back from the, uh,
meaning like she's still aliveor like hidden in secrecy, I

(01:10:00):
would've been pissed.
I would've been like, okay, youguys, that's, that's serving a
fan.
That's that, that's that fanservice.
That's, that's fan service.
Yeah.
But how they did it here, it wasfan servicey, but it made, it
made sense sense.
Of course, she made a dreamsequence.
Of course, Danica had createdthis connection with her.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And she was on her float.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So I think that was a really,for me, that's a huge highlight

(01:10:23):
of this movie.
Yeah.
Is the, the Helen Shivers dreamscene.
And I love how like, as she'slike telling off Danica blood
starts coming from her crown,she's decomposing.
Decomposing and of how she'slike, I didn't want to die.
Oh yeah.
But we needed to be punished,you know?
Oh, so good.
Oh, speaking of which, beingpunished, that reminds me one

(01:10:44):
thing that I do have,'cause.
Of course on this channel wetalk about the queer elements of
these movies.
Yes, we do have, first off,everybody says that they're I
what I love, and this is so realtoo.
We would never would get this inthe nineties, but this is so
real to um, at least you know,my friend group and how the
people that I'm around talk,everybody says that everybody is

(01:11:04):
hot.
All of the women in this,whenever they see another woman,
they're just like, damn, she'shot when, oh, they did say that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
'cause they said it about HelenShivers.
Mm-hmm.
They said it about the podcastgirl.
Like there's a lot of like thisfluid recognition that people
can be recognized as, can berecognized as attractive and
openly too.
Even between the guys, there's alittle bit more openness there.

(01:11:24):
So I do think.
There's you, you see that allthose guys look like they would
septic, honestly, you, theyprobably have, they probably
have.
But you in this film see kind ofthat generational breakdown
mm-hmm.
In in, in strict or rigidsexuality and what you can say
and what you cannot say.
Which honestly I didn't mind.
I love that it's a, is a Gen Zthing, but I'm like, who cares?

(01:11:46):
This is great.
I don't even know if I would saythat's exclusively a Gen Z
thing.
Yeah.
'cause as a millennial, all ofmy millennial friends are very
like.
Very much that way.
Hmm.
And have been for quite sometime.
But I think it's something thatin the nineties we never
would've seen.
No.
You know?
But I think now, like we'regetting more comfortable with
these ideas of fluid sexuality.
Yeah.

(01:12:06):
Yeah.
And acknowledgement ofattraction not being, uh, an
admission of queernessnecessarily.
And, or like you want to do it,or maybe you do wanna do it with
them, but just like recognizingsomeone else is attractive.
Just more transparency aroundsexuality, I think.
That's great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But what I can say is ourleading lady, Ava Oh yeah.
Is a bisexual queen.

(01:12:27):
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Um, she doesn't specifically sayit, but you know.
Oh.
But we see it.
She is Milo's ex and she, youknow, tries to hook up with Milo
during this movie.
And she also hooks up withGabriele.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
So we're like, yes, bisexualqueen.
Now here's my only issue withthat'cause I love seeing it.
I feel like I know what you'regonna say, but say it.
And it's the same thing withher.

(01:12:48):
'Cause she seems to be exexplicitly more kinky after the
event.
The Yeah.
'cause Milo was like, oh man,this is like too much for me.
Yeah.
So here's, here are my thoughts.
Okay.
I, I have a lot to say aboutthis.
Let us hear it.
I'm not the biggest fan of theimplication that her bisexuality
is as a result of trauma.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.

(01:13:08):
That's what I don't like thatbecause the thing is that you
are introduced to her likingladies after that accident.
Yes.
Right after.
I wish that that had beenestablished before.
Yep.
That's my thought.
Now that's not to say thatpeople do not, find their trauma
manifesting in ways that arelike hypersexual and whatnot,

(01:13:30):
but, if that's a commentarythey're trying to make, they
need to go deeper with thatbecause I'm gonna be one.
A hundred percent real with youand with everybody here.
As somebody who has gone throughan insanely traumatic experience
and found myself reacting inways that were hypersexual,
there is so much more nuance tothat behavior that needs to be

(01:13:54):
shown.
Just tacking on like a, alright,Ava's bisexual now.
She likes getting choked duringsex because she feels like she
needs to be punished and this ishow, this is how we're showing
that she is out of control afterthe events.
Yeah.
I don't necessarily love that.
I don't like that either.
And it shows that like, oh, likehow the reason why you're queer

(01:14:16):
is because you went throughsomething bad.
Mm-hmm.
It's like, no.
Yeah.
You were that way before even.
Mm-hmm.
Well, and also, here's thething, even if that was the
case.
Tell that story.
Don't just use it as a plotdevice or like to add a little
flavor onto it to show like, oh,she's bisexual too.
Next.
Yeah.
So those are my thoughts on it.

(01:14:36):
It's, is it the worst thing?
No, it's not the worst thing,but it cheap.
It cheapens it, I think so itcheapens it.
You know, thinking about theconversation around bisexuality,
there's already, for somereason, so much debate around
bisexual identity from peoplewho are not bisexual.
Get the fuck over yourself.
It's not for you to decidewhether or not someone's sexual

(01:14:56):
attraction is legitimate or not.
Yeah.
Believe them.
But just like with thisconversation around the,
apparent validity of bisexualityand so many people trying to
take away that validity, I justdon't think that this needs to
be, displayed that way.
Yeah.
I know what you're saying.
Make her bisexual before theaccident, Susan.

(01:15:18):
Mm-hmm.
so those are my thoughts onthat, but I'm, I'm, I was happy
to see it there.
I love how casually, it wasn'tlike this big coming out moment.
Yeah, yeah.
It wasn't a big plot moment ofher being bisexual.
It was just, the placement iswhat's annoying.
I felt it too, like when thatscene happened, I looked over to
you and I remember your facebeing, Hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Sun eyebrow raise and I went,oh, I feel like even she has

(01:15:40):
something to say.
Yeah.
I feel like there just had to bejust one small thing, whether it
be like a reference to herhooking up with ex-girlfriend or
something.
Yes, yes.
It could, because we like theintroduction of Ava, we go
through her childhood bedroom.
Yeah.
It could have been a picture oflike her, like, you know, making
out with a girl or shesomething.
It just, something could soeasy.

(01:16:01):
But also I do suspect somethingwith Danica and Ava.
Yes.
It feels very much that waybecause after.
Her fiance gets murdered.
The cuddle because here's thething.
Yeah.
Teddy and Danica, they breakoff.
Danica has a new Sidepiecefiance.
Mm-hmm.
He gets killed after all ofthat.
They cuddle and they make up ina very nice way.

(01:16:22):
Yes.
But there's definitely aJennifer's body esque kind of
relationship.
Not as toxic.
Nowhere near as toxic asJennifer's body, but it's very
much like this childhood friend.
But there is something morebeneath the surface between
them.
Like they be made out a littlebit.
They experimented with eachother for sure.
Well, they even say at the endof the movie, Danica says, I

(01:16:43):
think you might be my soulmate.
Oh yeah, she does say that.
Yeah.
So I do, I do suspect the two ofthem will probably have a queer
storyline.
'cause there's definitely goingto be a sequel.
You guys, there's definitelygonna be a sequel in this movie.
I'm curious how, how thatsequel's gonna go.
I mean, you have your, yourthoughts of what the Well, yeah,
the follow up will be.
Well, I think.
And I'm really excited aboutthis idea.

(01:17:04):
So I don't know if this is justme putting in my, creative wish
it was pants.
Mm-hmm.
Or if this is really where it'sgonna go.
But they definitely set us upfor a sequel in a couple of
ways.
We find out.
Okay, so Ray gets killed afterReveal.
He's the killer.
Yes.
Yes.
He gets killed.
Stevie on the other hand, doesnot he?

(01:17:24):
He, because they didn't find thebody Well.
Yeah.
But Ava was just like, allysaid, she's still alive.
Yeah.
Ava's just like, but you killedher.
And he's like, did I?
Mm.
So, and then God, I smell padTai again.
You need to start burping inthat direction.
So, yeah, so it's, it's heavilyalluded that Stevie is still
alive.
Mm-hmm.
Along with that, we get a midcredit sequence, which is

(01:17:47):
another, another gag, anothergem.
Oh my god.
Another like literally slappingeach other in the theater.
Yes.
Who else do we see Brandy Andyto be as a successful woman?
A successful woman, and a hothusband?
Hot husband, big house.
I love that she's watching thenews and she sees Julie and
she's like, damn, someone'salready trying to kill that
woman.

(01:18:07):
I hope she has a good therapist.
Yeah.
And it's like such a Carla esqueline.
That's the thing.
It was also genuine to hercharacter too.
Of course she'd be here.
Of course she would do that.
Of course she would say that.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So we get that, and Julie visitsher and Julie got a picture of
her and Carla with Carla Xedout, and it written on the back.

(01:18:30):
It says it's not over.
I cannot think of a.
An ending of a film that leadsmore to a sequel than this.
Between all of that.
Because also the Danica and Avaare just like, I guess we have
to kill her.
And they're like, I guess so.
So here's what I think is gonnahappen.
I think the next movie's gonnabe a girl power fucking movie.

(01:18:51):
Mm.
I think it's going to be AvaDanica, Carla, and Julie on the
offensive.
Mm.
Yeah, it sounds like a funmovie, but I don't feel like
it's, I know you did last summeranymore.
It's its own thing.
I mean, it's still in the worldof I know what you did last
summer.
It's in the world.
Movies can change form and like,look at Chucky.
That's true.
Like Chucky did it.
And I fucking loved it Afterchild's play three, they did a

(01:19:13):
hard pivot into a different kindof story structures, centering
Chucky Yeah.
And making Chucky and Tiffanyand then going back like that
can work and can be cohesive ina franchise.
It can work.
Yes.
I mean, like, I'm not, I'm nothating on it.
Yeah.
But I definitely, it's we're,we're leaving, we're leaving
what's left in the nineties andwe're doing a new thing.

(01:19:35):
Yeah.
And there's nothing wrong withthat.
Well, there's nothing wrong withthat.
Yeah.
Nothing wrong with that, Ithink.
Think, but it's going to be,it's, it has to be something
different.
Yeah.
I think so.
Yeah.
It has to be.
I think so, and I think that'ssmart and I'm kind of excited to
see what they decide to do.
What do you think the, theworking title would be?
Bitches.
Bitches.
Like the, the working title,like the one that like to throw

(01:19:55):
other people off.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Petunias in the Valley, theyalways pick working titles.
Patas working titles havenothing to do with the movie.
That's the whole point of aworking title.
It's not gonna be like, forgetwhat you did last summer,
forget.
Because that's gonna be obvious.
I love your title.
Yeah.
But I don't know, I, I'm veryexcited to see what comes next.

(01:20:15):
We'll see what happens.
This film.
Do you think, do you think, uh,Jennifer Love Hewitt would be
down with it?
Or do you think she'd be like,of course.
If, if she gets to continue thestory?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
I think Brandy would be downwith it.
Obviously the, the, the twoactresses.
The two youngins.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd say it's another paycheck,especially because I feel like
horror has a lot more, it's alot more appreciated these days.

(01:20:40):
Yes.
You know, and I feel likethere's a lot more, I mean,
there's accolade to it.
I mean, there's a whole like,uh, streaming service for just
horror movies.
Yeah.
And unsubscribed shutter, babyshutter.
So yeah.
Horror movies are, are cool.
I mean, they've always beencool.
Well, it's, it's no longer thetrap that it once was.
Yeah.
It's not the trap, you know, andI think nostalgia in itself is a

(01:21:05):
powerful tool.
Mm-hmm.
When used correctly, it can beeffective when used correctly.
Yes.
So I think that pairing thosethings together with what I'm
hoping is a success of thismovie.
Mm-hmm.
I, I, I can guarantee allparties involved would, yeah.
Would be down.
Yeah.
I also want to say that this isa great feminist movie.
Yeah.
I love that.

(01:21:25):
The ladies are the ones inpower.
Because the thing is, is that.
If you look at horror, horrormovies past, there's always dead
females everywhere.
Even though the, the leadprotagonist is like the last
final girl.
But you also see a lot of womenbeing killed.
Well, a lot of punishment forlike for promiscuity.
Yeah.
For, uh, stupidity.
Virgin.
Yeah.
But this is the first time wherewe see the women come out.

(01:21:48):
At the end, we got a glimpse ofit, of Brandy surviving it.
We did, yeah.
But now it's in full force, andI appreciate that.
Yeah, I really do.
And I could tell that the,whoever made these decisions
knew that like one of the.
It's kind of what we said.
Sarah Michelle Geller was thefinal girl we deserved in the
first movie.
Mm-hmm.
No Shade to Jennifer LoveHewitt.

(01:22:09):
But we wanted both of them tosurvive.
Yeah.
'cause the things we, we lovedboth these characters.
We wanted to make them out inthe end.
Mm-hmm.
That's why the originalaudience, we were so sad when
Helen Shivers dies.
But I feel that through Danicaand Ava's relationship and their
survival, their friendship, thembeing soulmates.
Mm-hmm Thinking at the endthat's satisfied.
Agreed.
It was very feel good.

(01:22:30):
It was feel good.
Very warm and fuzzy.
Yeah.
The divas are up.
Yep.
The love the divas are up.
Yeah.
Absolutely loved it.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I, I wonder if the negativereview is all dudes.
Maybe because it kind of hahappened with, uh, the movie The
Substance because everyone that,everyone that I talked to, the
people who were queer or women,they were like, oh, I love this

(01:22:52):
movie.
This is great.
But it was always the straightdudes that had a problem with
the movie.
'cause they could not handle it.
Mm-hmm.
They could not handle that.
This is a woman's movie.
Yeah.
That it's power.
Similar thing with Jennifer'sbody, it was a critical flop
because it was marketed towardsthe coveted 18-year-old male.
Mm-hmm.
When in actuality it should havegone towards like women in queer
people.

(01:23:12):
Yeah, exactly.
So it's like a similar thing.
I wouldn't be surprised.
I'm curious Yeah.
If, if, if, if those who did notlike the movie.
I'm just curious.
Yeah.
Are you a dude?
There could be a little bit of aa through line between that.
I think it's gonna be acombination of things.
You're probably gonna have the,the dub bros like that.
You're also probably gonna havepurists, people who are Oh, the
purists holding on too tight tothe original.
Original.

(01:23:33):
Yeah.
And who don't like Gen Z slangand who feel like Gen Z or you
getting pandered to, orwhatever.
But I'm curious.
Go ahead and comment it.
I want to, I read Oh yeah.
Let Richard know.
Let me know.
Yeah.
Let me know.
I, you know, I love discussingthings.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
That's all I do.
Oh.
I mean, just look at plants allday.
So gimme something Fair.
Alright, so before we wrap up,'cause this is our final episode

(01:23:54):
together.
Oh.
So I just have some questionsfor you reflecting on all four
of the movies now.
I'm just curious to know, Ialready know the answer to this
favorite character.
Helen Shivers.
Of course.
We love Helen Shivers.
Who's your second favoritecharacter?
Danica.
Mine would be Carla and thenDanica.
Carla's.

(01:24:15):
Good.
I do love Carla.
I'm Carla's good because I,Brandy is gorgeous.
I fucking love brandy.
I love brandy and just so fun inthat movie.
Do you have a favorite kill?
I know this is gonna be a hardone.
That's gonna be hard.
Yeah.
Feel free to.
So like, uh, are you gonna askChase scene or No?
That can, if you can let that bea factor.
Okay.
Well, like, I will say Helen'schase scene is phenomenal.

(01:24:38):
There's no beating, no, there'sno beating it.
But is it my favorite kill?
No.
Okay.
But because it, it's the, theactual killing itself is not,
does that mm-hmm.
The first, in my head, myfavorite kill, honestly.
Mm-hmm.
Rays getting harpoon through thechest.
Yep.
Nice.
Because right before that.

(01:25:00):
Julie says, what are you waitingfor?
Or what are you waiting for?
Also satisfying bit of an eyeroll, but a satisfying eye roll.
It satisfied me.
Yeah.
So in terms of just likesatisfying kill, the first thing
that pops into my head is raise,kill.
Mm-hmm.
Because how it was dramaticallylined up.
That's fair.
Yep.
I will say for me, yeah, forthis movie, it's like hit or

(01:25:24):
miss.
Some of the kills are good.
Some of'em, I feel like there'ssomething with how they were
edited that didn't quite clickwith me.
So I don't think anything fromthis movie is making that list.
Mm-hmm.
It's your favorite.
Who's your favorite character?
Oh, Helen Shivers.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Helen Shivers.
And then Carla.
Carla.
And then Dega Dega.
Yes.

(01:25:44):
I think my favorite kill isprobably.
The first kill of these wholeshenanigans.
Max from the first movie, thecrab shack.
Yeah.
When he hooks him underneath hisjaw and drags him out from
underneath.
That is a good one.
That is a satisfying kill.
It's a very good one to kick offeverything.
How poetic that our favoritekills is the first kill and the
last kill.
Oh, look at that.

(01:26:05):
Did not plan that everybody.
No, we did not.
We did not plan.
We did not.
Alright.
Final question for you isranking the whole series.
So all four movies we alreadyknow that I'll always know is
number one.
Yeah.
It's the best out of all ofthem.
It's the best.
Um, so we'll just say like, outof the three, rank'em.

(01:26:25):
Okay.
Oh, this is hard.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, because there's likeloyalties, that's the thing.
Mm-hmm.
Well, what's the, what?
I, I, now I'm thinking like,what's the metrics What, yeah,
what are your metrics?
What are my metrics?
Metrics for a good, how thiswould go.
I think for me, metrics is how,how often I want to rewatch

(01:26:46):
this.
That's a good, yeah, that's agood thing to judge by, because
I've, no, I've noticed that myfavorite movies are ones that I
could rewatch over and over andover again, or movies that I
want to watch over and overagain.
Mm-hmm.
I would say with that metric,the first one will always be my
number one.
Mm-hmm.
Second will be, oh, this is sohard.

(01:27:09):
Yes, it is.
I can't believe I'm saying this,but it's the truth.
Mm-hmm.
My second pick is, I still knowwhat you did last summer.
Mm-hmm.
And the third is this new one.
And that's not to say that thisis bad, that they're not saying
it's bad.
It's a relative.
Yeah.
They're all amazing.
I love all three of thesemovies, but if I were to
painfully rank and I'm just,literally, my metric is how much
I want to watch it.

(01:27:31):
Yeah.
Rewatch it, put in mybackground, that's how I would
do it.
I love that as a metric, butmine is always like how much fun
I have while watching it.
Mm-hmm.
Like it is this movie fun.
And doesn't necessarily meanthat it has to be campy
self-aware or anything, but it'sjust like, do I enjoy the
experience of watching it?
You know?
So what's your, what's your, sothis new one is number three.
Okay.
You know, and again, thisdoesn't mean it's bad, it's

(01:27:52):
just.
You know, this is where it fallsin the ranking.
Yeah.
In this metric.
Exactly.
And also, I think it's worthnoting, my opinion changes with
the wind.
So if you ask me in two weeks,it might be different, but is
this a Gemini thing?
It is, but right now with whereI'm sitting, and this might be
controversial, the first one isgonna be number two.
Oh.
And the only reason is because Icompletely check out after Helen

(01:28:16):
Shivers dies.
Very valid.
And it's, it's very valid.
It's, it's quite convoluted in away that's not as fun.
Mm-hmm.
As I still know what you didlast summer, which is why
that's, I still know is mynumber one simply because that
movie is just a stupid, funtime.
I ha It's so dumb.
We get brandy.

(01:28:36):
We have The Bahamas for somereason.
Jack Black as a fucking Jack.
Jack Black.
Yeah.
Jack Black as a prop.
Production value is definitely alittle higher too.
I, I knew you were gonna say, Istill know it was gonna be your
number one.
Yeah.
I had a feeling.
It's just, you know, and that'si's just so fun.
The first one I love up anddown.
I love to death.
Yeah.
It's iconic.
But that third act for me issuch a boner killer.

(01:29:00):
Mm.
Whereas with, I still know,obviously I fucking hate Will
Benson, but just like that movieas a whole, it just, it's, it
reads as so much more fun.
Yeah.
For me.
So, yeah.
That's, that's my ranking.
Y'all get at me in the commentsif you want to, yeah.
Tell me how much you disagreewith me.
There's one thing that I wish asan, if you really wanted to.

(01:29:21):
Fan.
Was it fan?
Fan service?
Fan service?
Me with a third one.
I was hoping for this.
If I didn't get it.
What?
I wanted a Jennifer Love Hewittsong.
Oh, that would've been great.
But her, her music career is sogone.
Okay.
So yeah.
Okay.
So after, after all the stuffthat we talked about, I actually
listened to Bear Naked Uhhuh.

(01:29:42):
I liked it as a banger.
Okay.
I actually liked it.
Okay.
Good to know.
It was actually one of my gymjams and if you look at my heavy
rotation, Uhhuh Bear Naked is onthere.
Alright.
Nice.
Now.
Oh shit.
I didn't, I forgot to keepcount.
Well, I guess we're gonna haveto find out how many burps there
are.
I feel like this, this episodewas a grand crescendo.
It really was.

(01:30:03):
Future cry baby is probablygonna have to edit in the, total
burp count right now.
Highest skanks crybaby of thefuture here As always, cleaning
up the mess of past crybaby anddoing the homework that they
refuse to do I havepainstakingly counted every
single burp this season, and thetotal number of times that

(01:30:26):
Richard has burped into mymicrophone is 25 gross.
Now, back to you past Crybabyand Richard.
Oh my God, that's so many.
Thanks.
Future cry, baby.
Gosh, I can't believe we hadthis many burps.
Are you gonna do like a montagefrom all the, oh god.
We'll see.
We'll see if I have the energyfor that.

(01:30:48):
But with that said, Richard, onefinal, first off, do you have
anything to plug?
Anything that you're lookingforward to?
Anything coming up that you wantpeople to know about?
I am still helping people withtheir plants doctoring all
around Manhattan and Brooklyn.
And where can they find you?
They can find me on Instagram atLord Fierce on TikTok at Plant
Daddy md.

(01:31:09):
Or you can visit my website,plant daddy md.com.
If you guys need any help withyour plants, whether it be
maintenance doctoring, plantsitting, or you need an
installation or don't know whereto start, hit me up.
Thank you so much, Richard.
Thank you.
Cry, baby.
It's been such a treat havingyou on this show.
You're definitely gonna be backfor something.

(01:31:29):
I hope so.
Or a couple of things, I'm sure.
And I'm sure everybody out thereenjoyed Richard as much as I did
too.
Aw.
So with all that said, cuties,thank you so much for joining us
for I Know What you did lastsummer in that franchise.
Um, probably gonna take a smallhiatus Before I jump into the
next franchise, I have somethoughts, I have some ideas.

(01:31:49):
Are you gonna do a preview ofwhat the next franchise is gonna
be?
Not right now I have an idea ofwhat I wanna do, and I have an
idea of who I'm gonna ask to doit with me.
I just need.
I'm gonna take a few, maybe likea week or two to like step back
and just like reflect on whatworked, what didn't work and
like,'cause I'm still figuringshit out with this.
Yeah.
That's what we're here for.
Absolutely.
Yeah.

(01:32:09):
But, um, I think it's gonna besomething a little bit different
than, than what we've done sofar.
So, yeah, we'll see.
But until next time, don't bescared unless you're into that
sort of thing.
Bye.

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