Bride of Chucky

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Donnie (00:00):
Wait, which movie are we doing?

CryBaby (00:01):
And Chuckie,

Donnie (00:04):
Okay.
I

CryBaby (00:04):
What'd you think we were doing?

Donnie (00:06):
but we're doing bride

CryBaby (00:07):
Oh my God.
Yeah, we're doing Brad andChuckie.

Donnie (00:09):
great.
Great.
Hold

CryBaby (00:10):
This is so funny.

Donnie (00:12):
got it.
Okay.
I'm ready.

CryBaby (00:15):
You ready?

Donnie (00:15):
so ready.
What is your book of Well,hanging out with your Smartest
and Funniest Friend.
You know me, I'll kill anybody,but.

CryBaby (00:36):
Hi, sweet face and welcome back to Horror Icon,
your queer playground for allthings scary, sexy, and stupid.
Yep, that's me.
I bet you're wondering how I gothere.
as it turns out, this sillylittle bitch didn't realize that
her microphone settings hadreset themselves.
And so the microphone right infront of her face is not on.

(01:00):
we live and we learn.
We're gonna enjoy this show.
You know me, I'm crybaby the spooky slut from
your wettest Nightmares.
And we are finally back with ourUber extra special guest host.
Say hi, Donnie.

Donnie (01:12):
Hi everybody.
I'm Donnie.
Donnie, cia.
It is great to be back.
I feel like it's been yearssince we've done this.

CryBaby (01:19):
It has been, pretty much almost that long.
It's, we, uh, the last one werecorded was September,

Donnie (01:27):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that was,

CryBaby (01:28):
something like that.
It's been, it's been a full babysince the last time we recorded
this.

Donnie (01:33):
Indeed had a baby since the last time we did this.

CryBaby (01:38):
Okay.
before we begin, I wanna sayhello to all of our returning
listeners and viewers and to ournew listeners and viewers.
It's about time that I do thatYouTube thing where I tell you
to like, and subscribe andfollow and rate us on Apple
Podcasts and all that usualstuff.
This is new for me.
I'm getting used to asking youto do it, but it really does

(01:59):
help Mama's trying to grow, Soif you like what you see and if
you like what you hear, give usa follow, give us a like, with
all that said, hi Donnie.
Welcome back to the show.

Donnie (02:10):
I'm always thrilled to be here.
And today, uh, everybody gets tojoin me in my inner sanctum in
my actual bedroom today, not,not my outer sanctum, which is a
totally different thing.
This is the inner sanctum

CryBaby (02:23):
where the true magic happens.

Donnie (02:26):
Happens, and I'm sure you will all get to see my cat
at some point because he likesto be on film.
He is, is he is his fathers son.
and

CryBaby (02:35):
honestly, I genuinely hope we get to see some cat.
I really hope we see some cat.

Donnie (02:39):
cat in his bedroom.

CryBaby (02:40):
Perfect.
Well, also, I'd be remiss to notsay happy pride.
Happy pride.
Month.

Donnie (02:46):
Happy pride month.
Indeed it is.
It is June.
Here we are.

CryBaby (02:50):
It is June.
Here we are.
And

Donnie (02:55):
Right.

CryBaby (02:56):
honestly, yeah, just now more important than ever Be
fucking be queer, be trans, befull of joy, be full of rage.
You're allowed to be full ofrage.
I'm full of it.

Donnie (03:08):
So

CryBaby (03:08):
find healthy things.
Yeah, find healthy things to dowith that rage, of course.
But also it's not sustainable tonot allow yourself to find joy
in these times.
So

Donnie (03:21):
Yeah.

CryBaby (03:21):
month go fucking crazy.
Mama's gonna be doing it, and Ihope you are too.

Donnie (03:26):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
It's not sustainable to onlyhave rage.
you've gotta also find thosemoments of joy, even if the, the
moment involves watching ahorror movie and eating popcorn,

CryBaby (03:36):
That's exactly it.
Yeah.
It's, you know, I'm gonna befully honest'cause you know, I
lost my job back in, in Februaryand there was a little pocket of
time where I just felt myselfsitting in just doom and dread
and anger and rage.
And it got to a point where I'mjust like, this is exactly what
they want.
And I cannot allow that tohappen.

(03:58):
Like, I can't just let myselfbecome paralyzed because I am so
angry and I don't know what todo with it.

Donnie (04:04):
Right.

CryBaby (04:04):
Um, yeah.
So I am.

Donnie (04:07):
outta spite, know, like completely and totally outta
spite.
If that's the only reason thatyou are still going

CryBaby (04:14):
Yeah, that's, that's my game plan.
Also.
I am planning on being as queeras possible, even more so than I
would under normalcircumstances.
Y'all are gonna be sick of me.

Donnie (04:24):
super queer.
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (04:25):
Sick.
Yeah.
Sick of me.
Speaking of queer, we'recovering, a super queer
franchise.
We're returning finally toFranchise Friday.
Everybody.

Donnie (04:35):
Woo.

CryBaby (04:37):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And Bride of Chucky is the onethat we're gonna be covering,
which has, for me, it's beenlong awaited.
Has it been for you

Donnie (04:45):
Tremendously long awaited, since September,

CryBaby (04:48):
since September?
Yes.

Donnie (04:50):
technically since about 10 minutes ago.

CryBaby (04:53):
since That's fair.
Yes.
Since about 10 minutes ago.
pulling back the curtain, Donniethought that we were covering
seed of Chucky today.

Donnie (05:03):
I, I was so prepared.
I, I've got so much material, somuch good stuff.
And right before we started, Iconfirmed what we were doing
and, uh, no.
That is why as of about 10minutes ago, I'm, as I'm, this
is gonna be new for me.
new as it is for you.
I can't wait.

CryBaby (05:20):
Listen, I'm not gonna lie, the chaotic gremlin that
lives in my heart really wishesthat that realization happened
live It's okay.
It's all gravy.
But yes, we're here to talkabout bridal Chucky, but before
we do that, it's been a minutesince we've been together.
So just to recap, we've talkedthus far about the first child's

(05:43):
play, the og, the original.

Donnie (05:45):
og?

CryBaby (05:46):
Yes, with Mama Karen, whom we miss and love so much.
And then we, of course, coverchild's play two, where Andy
finds himself in the fostercare, uh, the foster care system
with his cool and veryattractive, uh, older foster
sister Kyle.

Donnie (06:03):
Hi Kyle.
Miss you.

CryBaby (06:04):
Donnie misses you, Kyle, come hang out with us.
And then the last episode we didtogether was, for child's play
three, the often proclaimed likerunt of the franchise, the, the
least liked, if you would.

Donnie (06:20):
Yes.
Yes.
The one with

CryBaby (06:22):
yeah.

Donnie (06:22):
school.

CryBaby (06:23):
The military one.
Yes.
So we have evolved beyond thechild's play titling, and we are
now officially in the era ofChucky.
He

Donnie (06:33):
it's like a whole new genre of movies.
It might as well be an entirelynew series.

CryBaby (06:37):
1000%.
Yes.
as we get into it, I'm, I'mgonna point out an elephant
that's going to be in the room,everybody.
We're gonna do things a littlebit differently from here on
out, previously Donnie and Iwould go through in detail the
entire plot of the film, andwe're gonna experiment with
other methods of covering thismovie.
A little less, focused ondetailed, recapping, and more

(07:01):
just having a conversation aboutthe movie.

Donnie (07:03):
That

CryBaby (07:04):
I think it'll be fun.

Donnie (07:04):
tremendously convenient for me today.

CryBaby (07:07):
I know.

Donnie (07:08):
wait.
I can't wait to try this newformat.

CryBaby (07:11):
Yes.
Like we, oh, it was so luckywith that.
It's so lucky.
Oh, I'm tickled.
All right.
let's go ahead and get in.
So we're covering Bride ofChucky mama Crybaby wrote A
little synopsis, if you would.
this came from me.
I did not pull it from IMDB,nothing like that.
This is from the heart, soeverybody, I hope you enjoy it.

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Love is dead.
Literally one month aftergetting hacked up by Andy
Barclay.
Chucky is stitched back togetherand resurrected by a
relentlessly romantic TiffanyValentine, his former lover,
accomplice and Martha Stewart,loving mama's girl.
After an argument, Chucky killsTiffany and transfers her soul
into a bride doll, givingTiffany no other choice but to

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team up with him to become humanagain.
Campy terror ensues as theyhitch a ride with forbidden and
stupid lovers, Jesse and Jade,on a murder filled road trip.
To find the heart of Dambala,the never before mentioned
amulet that will allow them toreturn to flesh once more.

Donnie (08:10):
The never before mentioned amulet yes.

CryBaby (08:13):
The never before mentioned amulet, which
apparently, yeah, apparently theheart of Alah was like in the
original script of like thefirst movie.
Maybe not the original script,but like in earlier iteration of
the voodoo script and it justgot nix.
So like they brought it back.
But it's like, mama, come on.
We've never heard of thisbefore.

Donnie (08:35):
Ah, Hollywood.
Hollywood Magic

CryBaby (08:37):
Yes, we love acon, don't we?
Yes.
I love plot devices andMcGuffin.
It's great.

Donnie (08:44):
That's true,

CryBaby (08:45):
So, uh, yeah, so here we are with Bride of Chucky.
It is, I, I know a lot of peoplewill say that this is their
favorite one and I don't blamethem.
it's a lot of fun.

Donnie (08:54):
to be honest with you i think it's my favorite one,

CryBaby (08:56):
it is.
You know what?
I don't blame you.

Donnie (08:59):
Yep, it is.
You don't blame me.
Good.
There are

CryBaby (09:01):
I.

Donnie (09:01):
ones that certainly come close and have super redeeming
qualities, but this one, I, Ijust, and I'll, I'll give you
one guess as to why, and it'sgot two names.

CryBaby (09:12):
Jennifer Tilley,

Donnie (09:13):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (09:14):
Jennifer Tilley baby.
Of course.
we cannot begin to talk aboutthis movie without embracing and
celebrating the introduction ofJennifer Tilley to this
franchise.

Donnie (09:26):
truly, it's remarkable.
It changes everything.
it lends something to thefranchise that has not been
there before, which is a littlebit of camp, a little bit of
sexuality and, or at least kindof blatant sexuality.
it would be remiss for me not tosay that she's just so hot.

CryBaby (09:45):
Uh, yeah.
A thou, yes, she is one of mytwo favorite Jennifer's.

Donnie (09:51):
Who's your other?
Oh, Jennifer Coolidge.

CryBaby (09:53):
Of course I'm queer.
Of course it's JenniferCoolidge.
Are you kidding me?
But Jennifer Tilley is at thetop of that list for a million
reasons.
yes, the overtly sexual becausehow awkward would it be if
child's play one and two wereovertly sexual?
I.

Donnie (10:08):
Would be totally different movies,

CryBaby (10:10):
this one, this is very up there for me too.
I, I love this movie.
It's directed by Ronnie Yu, whohas a very, like stylized,
visual palette, especially whenit comes to like color and
lighting.
He directed Freddy versus Jason.
Um, I think it was like, what,five years after this came out
is when he moved on to do Freddyversus Jason.

Donnie (10:29):
I just

CryBaby (10:29):
Um.

Donnie (10:30):
Yeah.
And it, it is very cool.
It's got a lot of great visualsin it.

CryBaby (10:33):
The only thing I don't like is like the choppy, slow-mo
kind of effects, but whatever.
It's, it's early offs of it, youknow, what do you expect?
kudos for a swing.
I would much rather somebodylike take a swing and like try
something new and different thanjust sit on the same shit that,
and, and not trying anythingnew,

Donnie (10:52):
Right.

CryBaby (10:53):
is why I love Don Mancini so much,

Donnie (10:58):
am impressed

CryBaby (10:58):
so

Donnie (10:59):
that

CryBaby (10:59):
much.

Donnie (11:00):
it.

CryBaby (11:00):
I've been sitting on it for nine months.

Donnie (11:03):
Yes, yes.
Don Mancini.
Tell us about Don Mancini.

CryBaby (11:06):
Oh, what is there to say about Dom Mancini?
He's an absolute baby.
He's an absolute genius, and heis very smart.
And here's why.
So this movie after Chow's playthree, right?
It, it made money like it was afinancial success, but nobody
liked it.
Everybody thought it was staleand tired.
And it just as timing works out,this was a, as the, the slasher

(11:29):
genre was becoming less cool.
So they kind of put Chucky offto the side until what movie
comes out in the mid ninetiesthat changes everything.

Donnie (11:40):
Scream.

CryBaby (11:41):
Scream, yes.
The meta funny, sexy, coolslasher.
And that's like the perfect.
landscape for this movie to comeback is in that meta self-aware
landscape.
So of course, Don Manini, comesout with Bride of Chucky, which
is a huge tonal shift in thefranchise.

(12:03):
It becomes so self-aware and Ijust think it's really smart
that he capitalized on thesensationalism beyond Scream.

Donnie (12:11):
He saw what

CryBaby (12:12):
I

Donnie (12:13):
and said, I can do that.
You know, and,

CryBaby (12:15):
exactly.

Donnie (12:15):
reason this movie lends itself to it, it's, first movie
in the series that's aware thatit's a movie If you had tried
that with another slasher likeFreddy or Jason, that NEC
wouldn't have necessarily reallyworked in the same way that it
does with Chucky, and I thinkthat's because of how clever and
creative Don Mancini is,

CryBaby (12:33):
Exactly.
Well, and I think also, I mean,'cause Freddy and Jason have
both had, if not films momentswhere there was some meta stuff,
right?
Like, I remember in Friday partsix, somebody makes a reference
to a horror movie, right?
And there's like little winks tothe audience.
and of course we have, we WestCraven's New Nightmare, which

(12:53):
is, um, I feel like WestCraven's New Nightmare, is
probably a little bit moreresponsible.
Well, I mean, they're both WestCraven, so whatever.
But without West Craven's newNightmare, I don't think we
would've gotten to scream.

Donnie (13:07):
You don't think

CryBaby (13:08):
You know, I think, I think New Nightmare Walked so
Screen could run because Westook Freddy into the real world
and really explored thisself-aware movie within a movie.
This is what horror looks liketranslated in the real world.
And I think that that is whatput him on the docket to direct

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Scream.
And I don't know if Wes, if Wesdidn't direct Scream, would it
have been the same?
We don't know.
You know?

Donnie (13:37):
don't know, but we think we know.
'cause I would say no.

CryBaby (13:39):
Yeah.
I would say no.
Obviously I'm not a scientist ofany of this, but I,

Donnie (13:45):
A

CryBaby (13:46):
um,

Donnie (13:46):
yes,

CryBaby (13:48):
Gosh, if I can get a, a scientist degree or whatever
they're called in the horrormovie,

Donnie (13:53):
that's what they're called.
A scientist.

CryBaby (13:56):
a scientist degree, absolutely.
Uh, PhD, a pretty poor doctorateor whatever

Donnie (14:02):
that was

CryBaby (14:03):
degree diploma.
Thank

Donnie (14:04):
A

CryBaby (14:04):
you.

Donnie (14:05):
doctorate.
Yes,

CryBaby (14:06):
it has to be pretty, of course.
yeah, all that to be said, youare right.
This is exactly, Chucky isexactly the kind of character
that thrives in this kind ofnarrative,

Donnie (14:17):
Oh, absolutely.
And I, is that because it'seasier for us to, laugh at the
ridiculousness of it becausehe's a doll maybe.
but it just, as soon as itbecomes self-aware, the audience
is there for it and just alongfor the ride.

CryBaby (14:33):
At that point, it's like you're in on the joke.
You get to sit back and relaxand enjoy You know, when I think
about things that are justinnately just campy and, just
fun, there's a level of whimsyand exaggeration, and there's
like an earnestness to it that Ithink, this film does pretty

(14:53):
well, you know?
Was that a complete sentence?

Donnie (14:57):
was a complete sentence.
Yes.
We,

CryBaby (14:59):
Okay.

Donnie (14:59):
and a B and we got to a C.
It

CryBaby (15:01):
Yes.
And now we have a PhD.

Donnie (15:03):
that's right.
Oh, it's all about

CryBaby (15:05):
Uh,

Donnie (15:06):
the, the letters.
This pride month.

CryBaby (15:08):
yes.
The Algebra Qua community.

Donnie (15:10):
Oh, I, I enjoy the fact

CryBaby (15:12):
Um.

Donnie (15:12):
movie is the first one where it really acknowledges the
fact that we've been watching amurderous doll for three movies,

CryBaby (15:18):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (15:19):
it almost is, it's a wink and a nod to us in a way to
say, isn't this silly?

CryBaby (15:23):
Yeah, exactly.

Donnie (15:24):
silly things this whole time

CryBaby (15:26):
It does.
'cause you know, I guess tolike, start touching on the
movie itself, like one of thefirst things we get is like Meta
Central.
cause we're in that policedepository with you have
Freddy's glove and you have achainsaw and you have Jason's
mask and the Crate from CreepShow, which is such a deep cut.

Donnie (15:44):
really is, uh, that movie scared the crap outta me
when I was

CryBaby (15:47):
I fucking love creep show.

Donnie (15:49):
It's so good.

CryBaby (15:50):
So good.

Donnie (15:51):
it doesn't, um, pull any punches right from the get go.
It lets you know exactly whatkind of movie it's gonna be.

CryBaby (15:56):
Exactly.
And it carries through like thiswhole opening sequence with, the
glorious introduction ofJennifer Tilly killing that cop
and like the needle drop ofliving dead girl.
And it's like, you instantlyknow we're in a new world right
out of the, right out of thegates.

Donnie (16:13):
This, this isn't your typical child's play movie.
This is something that's gonnabe a little different.

CryBaby (16:18):
Yeah.
It's a little different.
And I dare I say, I feel likethere's a lot of whimsy to it,
especially as we get intoTiffany's trailer and we see all
of the dolls and that gloriousbathroom.

Donnie (16:30):
Right.
Tiffany's trailer is such aphenomenal set.
It, as you mentioned earlier,the color palette is just
fantastic and it's got this likestyle kind of esque to it that's
like mixed with a littleVictorian burlesque.
you know, it's a, it's atrailer, but it's still much
bigger on the inside.
I mean, to have that bathroom Iwould kill for that bathroom in

(16:51):
my apartment.

CryBaby (16:52):
Yeah, I would kill for that bathroom too.
Everybody this bathroom is oh mygoodness.
It's so big.
The bathtub is luxurious.
It's just really, it's fun andstylized, like you said,

Donnie (17:03):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (17:03):
if I had to think of a real life human being that I
could imagine naturally livingin this trailer, I think of
Deida.
Vti.

Donnie (17:11):
I could see that deice,

CryBaby (17:13):
Yeah.

Donnie (17:14):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (17:14):
That like, it's a very sexy, sensual, but still like
heretical, subversive kind ofvibe.
It's, it's really cool.

Donnie (17:24):
And Jennifer Tilly as Tiffany just perfect for it.

CryBaby (17:28):
Yes.

Donnie (17:29):
you even know too much about the character, you know
that this is her place and, uh,you

CryBaby (17:34):
Oh

Donnie (17:35):
her

CryBaby (17:35):
yeah.

Donnie (17:36):
dolls and all the weird stuff that she's got going on
there

CryBaby (17:38):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (17:39):
of her, the way they costume her and her nails.
I mean, just, it was allperfect.
cohesively beautiful.

CryBaby (17:47):
the, the part was written for her.
So like, it was, it's theperfect storm.
And we, we get such fun imagery.
I can't help but think of thatmeme that I see online of
Jennifer Tilly on her knees withthe pentagram on the floor and
Chucky laying down.
And it's always just like me andmy hot goth girlfriend.
Like that's, that is, this is meand my hot goth girlfriend.

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it's a wonderful establishingmoment for sure.
And again, it's whimsical.

Donnie (18:15):
the whimsical is a great word for it.

CryBaby (18:17):
I think a lot about our lost time in this movie.
'cause we end up having to spendsome time getting to know that
other shitty couple, like theneighbor Jesse and his, his
girlfriend Jade,

Donnie (18:29):
the straits.

CryBaby (18:30):
the Straights.
Yeah.

Donnie (18:32):
to any straight people watching, but my goodness, be a
little bit more

CryBaby (18:36):
Um, I think about how queer people are so drawn to
couples like Chucky and Tiffany,and it's because they are
subversive.
They are the antithesis ofheteronormative living.
Even if they are like a, from anoutside perspective, a straight
couple,

Donnie (18:52):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (18:52):
there's still this queer undertone to how they
navigate the world and there's aqueerness to their otherness.
Yeah.

Donnie (19:01):
Yep.
Yep.
you're entirely correct.
You know, I, I don't evennecessarily think of them as a
straight couple because they.
Resonate such queerness by beingso different,

CryBaby (19:14):
mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Well, and I mean, Tiffany isbisexual, like, or pansexual.
She has a manic sexuality toher.
'cause later on in the series,you know, there there's an
evolution with another characterthat happens.
I think that's one of the,because I've been thinking a lot
about like, am I being too meanabout Jesse and Jade?
Like, am I just being a bitchabout this, this straight couple

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that thinks a thousand dollarsis gonna start them a new life?
And half of me says yes, likethey totally deserve it.
But then the other half of me isjust like, it's difficult for me
to go from this couple that Iidentify with so much as a queer
person and go to a couple that Ido not give two shits about.
And they're also just not a goodcouple together.
They're not a good relationship.

(19:58):
I.

Donnie (19:58):
it's a bad relationship.
They're young and stupid, butnot in like an oh, this is
endearing kind of way.
They're like you said, theythink a thousand dollars is
gonna get them, you know, out oftown and, and begin.
They begin this whole new lifetogether.
It, it's

CryBaby (20:11):
Yeah.
It,

Donnie (20:12):
not, it's, I don't wanna say it's not what written, but
it's such a, you know, slammingon the brakes, then veering off
into this suburban storylinewhen we are having so much fun
watching Tiffany and Chucky andthen all of a sudden we're in,
you know, Mr.
Rogers neighborhood.
But it's really boring I don'tknow if it's there to draw
counterpoint to how much funwe're having.
but when you are looking atChucky and Tiffany or Mickey and

(20:36):
Mallory or Bonnie and Clyde andyou're really excited by this,
couple that's and different andkind of crazy, and then all of a
sudden you have like Jesse andJade.

CryBaby (20:47):
The most

Donnie (20:47):
even

CryBaby (20:48):
vanilla.

Donnie (20:49):
yeah.
Why even wanna waste your timeon them?
It's like, no, no, no, no.
Go back to the good stuff.

CryBaby (20:54):
Yeah.
And, to expand, you know,elements of the film.
Like even when we do go to Jesseand Jade, there are some gems we
get John Ritter,

Donnie (21:03):
We do get Cho,

CryBaby (21:04):
thankfully, uh, the John Ritter's, like the shitty
uncle to Katherine Hegel's Jade.
Um, and that shitty is shittyis, I mean that positively.
He's, he hates her.
And I wonder why.

Donnie (21:16):
not like her.
And he, you know, he's known forplaying such likable, wonderful
characters.
so

CryBaby (21:21):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (21:22):
being kind of a dick and a cop, uh, you're, you're like,
Ooh, you know, alright.
For me, I'm like, get it, John,know, chew on

CryBaby (21:30):
Uh,

Donnie (21:31):
those acting chops, you know, but

CryBaby (21:33):
yes.

Donnie (21:33):
it's, it's a little jarring to see him be like the
bad guy.

CryBaby (21:36):
Yeah.
But that's what I love about it.
I really do.
And you're right, it's, it'sfun.
And we also, we do get some, weget the first like confirmed.
Like openly gay character inthis, in this movie with David I
feel like they threw, a handfulof gay stereotypes and a blender

Donnie (21:54):
This

CryBaby (21:55):
which in the nineties.

Donnie (21:56):
that's what they did.

CryBaby (21:57):
And to let you all know what I'm talking about with
David.
And if there's anything Iforget, Donnie, please let me
know.
But first off, he has frostedtips, which is like, uh, it's
not inherently homosexual, butpaired with pierced ears in the
nineties.

Donnie (22:11):
pretty.

CryBaby (22:12):
You know, they're pretty gay.
Um, what else?
He, um, he knows a lot aboutflowers.
He knows how to keep the, the,the corsage alive.
A figure skater, he's going tocollege on an athletic
scholarship for figure skating.
Um, I feel like I'm missingsomething.
Is there anything else?

Donnie (22:32):
Oh, the only thing that I can think of is what comes
later where we find out that hismother is not supportive of his
relationship.

CryBaby (22:37):
That's right.
That's right.
We, the, the one moment of likeauthentic queer experience that
we get for him.
Yeah.

Donnie (22:44):
And it's like,

CryBaby (22:45):
Yeah.
He's.

Donnie (22:45):
poor, sad.
David can't write a happy gaycharacter.

CryBaby (22:49):
gay people only exist to have plot lines about being
gay.

Donnie (22:52):
Right?
And, and usually those plotlines are there to benefit the
straight characters.
And that's

CryBaby (22:58):
Yeah.
It's like

Donnie (22:59):
is.
He is, you know, the wingman forJade pretending to date her so
that her stupid uncle doesn'tknow that she's actually dating
the bad guy.
But he

CryBaby (23:08):
Exactly.

Donnie (23:09):
frosted

CryBaby (23:10):
And obviously

Donnie (23:11):
skatings, like, it's pretty, pretty obvious, you
know?

CryBaby (23:13):
yeah.
'cause they immediately getcaught up with that fucking
pencil.
Neck ass.
A needle nose cop

Donnie (23:20):
right.

CryBaby (23:20):
pencil neck.
basically all you need to knowwith Jesse and Jay, Jesse loves,
it's like a Romeo Juliet thing.
They're star cross, stupidlovers.
Jesse loves Jade.
Jade loves Jesse.
Warren hates Jade.
Does not want her to be withJesse.
'cause Jesse lives in a trailerpark next to Tiffany

Donnie (23:34):
Mm-hmm.
And therefore

CryBaby (23:35):
and.

Donnie (23:36):
man.
cause he lives in that trailerpark.

CryBaby (23:38):
Are we about to hit a thesis on classism in the
child's play franchise?
Is that where we're going withthis?
I mean, we had Karen, theworking mama from one.
We have the Suburban, uh, wellto do, adopters that should not
have been parents.
And two, we have the predatorynature of the military

(23:58):
industrial complex in three, andwe have trailer trash in four,
or private Chucky, sorry, notfour.

Donnie (24:05):
for right.
Object.
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (24:06):
Yeah.

Donnie (24:07):
don't know.
There's something to be saidabout all of those things, so
whether they were trying to makea statement or made one
accidentally in hindsight, I, Idon't know.

CryBaby (24:15):
And here's another, uh, not so secret third thing.
I can justify anything I.
I can, you can hand me a bag ofpeas and some soccer cleats and
I'll find a way to make themwork together.
Like that's just how I operate.

Donnie (24:29):
Well, I know what I'm getting you for your birthday,

CryBaby (24:31):
Oh, please.
Oh, oh, thank you.
Oh my God, everybody.
My birthday.
My birthday was two days ago.
Everybody.

Donnie (24:38):
Amazing.
Happy birthday.
You're 18.

CryBaby (24:40):
Yeah.
I am so fresh and young andnaive and new bile

Donnie (24:45):
right.
New bile for sure.

CryBaby (24:47):
and horror icon is officially 1-year-old.

Donnie (24:50):
Really?

CryBaby (24:51):
Yeah, because we launched it on my birthday last
year.

Donnie (24:54):
launched it on your birthday.
That's Well,

CryBaby (24:56):
launched it on my birthday.

Donnie (24:57):
everybody.

CryBaby (24:58):
I know.
And it's so funny'cause like Ithink we're at five episodes.

Donnie (25:04):
I know, right?

CryBaby (25:04):
Which is fine.
Like I'm not mad.
Life happens.
I know Donny's, you've had,you've had your shit going on,
so I'm just happy to be here

Donnie (25:12):
in the past one year

CryBaby (25:13):
to tell me about it.
Uh oh.
Yeah.
Where were we?
Oh, we were with those fuckers.
Jessie and Jade.
thankfully we get to go back tothe trailer park and we get to
learn a little bit more aboutTiffany and how she loves
murder.
She's dating, a wannabemurderer, played by the late
great Alexis Arquette.

Donnie (25:34):
also in and of itself very queer to have had

CryBaby (25:36):
Yes, it's.

Donnie (25:37):
yeah.
The obsession with murder anddeath is, is pretty apparent.

CryBaby (25:42):
Yeah, it almost is borderline kink,

Donnie (25:45):
Oh, I think it's totally kink.
the, they're,

CryBaby (25:48):
It

Donnie (25:48):
they don't just love it for the sake of it.
They love it for like thesensuality, this power control
the sexuality.

CryBaby (25:55):
The primal nature, the excitement of it all spicing
things up.
'Cause Tiffany gets mad turnedon when she thinks that Damien
killed somebody, and then assoon as she realizes that Damien
didn't kill anybody, it's like,

Donnie (26:08):
A cold shower.

CryBaby (26:09):
yes, But, this is where we find out that Chucky actually
does come back to life and hekills Damien.

Donnie (26:15):
Out of jealousy, who wouldn't over?
Jennifer

CryBaby (26:18):
Who wouldn't?

Donnie (26:19):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (26:19):
Yeah.
Let's talk about that lap dance.
There's a lap dance.
Everybody,

Donnie (26:23):
There is a lap dance

CryBaby (26:24):
well, maybe not like lap, lap dance.
It's a tease dance.

Donnie (26:29):
Yeah, more like a teeth dance,

CryBaby (26:30):
I mean, Damien Shane to the bed and Chucky's sitting on
Damien and it's just she knowshow to get Chucky riled up.
She knows exactly.
Not only is she flaunting hergoodies, but she is talking the
talk and Chucky gets jealous,kills Damien.
And a graphic, uh, graphic hill.
Well, like graphic to me.
'cause I have lip piercings.

Donnie (26:52):
I guess

CryBaby (26:53):
Yeah.

Donnie (26:53):
be a little close to home.
Yeah.

CryBaby (26:55):
Yeah.
I, because I don't, I don't havemy piercing in right now.
You can't see in everybody, buttrust me, it's there.
Um, I have bolts.
I have so many holes.
Um.
Have I have a lot.
but yeah, Chucky rips out, uh,Damien's like lip ring and
suffocates him and stuff, butit's a cute little pillow talk
moment where they're catching upand he ends up, Chucky, ends up
disappointing Tiffany'cause hedoesn't want to be with her long

(27:19):
term the way that she thought hedid.
And she goes from zero to 16 andstarts taunting him like crazy.
I love a bitch that can likeflip on a dime as a Gemini.

Donnie (27:28):
as a Gemini.
Yeah, of course they do.

CryBaby (27:31):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (27:32):
Yeah.
And she does, she is mad that hedid not actually wanna get
engaged, which is what shethought was gonna happen.
And, uh, she finds out.
And what does she end up doing?
She locks him in a, it lookslike a crib, a little box type
crib thing.
And,

CryBaby (27:46):
It is.
Yeah.

Donnie (27:48):
I don't know why she had a locking crib.
Is that something that was, Idon't think it was mentioned,
but hey, she did.
And

CryBaby (27:54):
I bet you it was for Damien.

Donnie (27:56):
so too.

CryBaby (27:57):
I'm, I'm not even kidding.
I can, I can almost guarantee itwas for Damien actually.
Very clearly, Tiffany was a, abig time dom in that
relationship

Donnie (28:07):
Oh yes.

CryBaby (28:08):
Well, and they hadn't had sex up until that point.
I, I don't think.
Right.
yeah.
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (28:15):
Damien for what she wanted.

CryBaby (28:16):
Well, yeah.
And it's just like a placeholderuntil like, she wanted Chucky,
you know?
That's it.
and then when she realizes thatChucky doesn't want her the way
that she wanted him, yeah, shelocks him up.
She gives him that little bridedoll, the, the bride, bell doll,
with the voice box that's voicedby Jennifer Tilly as well.

Donnie (28:33):
You know, again, we're, we're leaning into the goofiness
of it, you know,

CryBaby (28:37):
Yep.
And then Chucky's pissed.

Donnie (28:40):
rightly so.
Where, remind me where the heartof Nala comes into all of this.

CryBaby (28:45):
So what happens is obviously Chucky's pissed, he
ends up killing Tiffany and hedoes so in the a wonderful scene

Donnie (28:53):
so

CryBaby (28:54):
Tiffany's taking that bath, watching the bride of
Frankenstein, which this movieheavily influenced by.
And he pushes the TV in andElectro keeps her.
It's my favorite of the movie.
It's so good.

Donnie (29:06):
I think it's

CryBaby (29:06):
Um.

Donnie (29:07):
just, it, it goes on for so long, and when you're kind of
ready and expecting it to bedone, she's still screaming and
kicking bubbles all over theplace, and you're like, this is
pretty good.

CryBaby (29:16):
There are bubbles everywhere.
It's almost like a, a raven inBrooklyn.
There's flashing lights, there'sbubbles everywhere.
Like

Donnie (29:25):
blonde,

CryBaby (29:25):
tripping on something.
Yeah.
There's a naked blonde.
Exactly.
Um, but the heart of Alala comesin.
'cause Tiffany of course, ispissed.
Uh, I love her reaction when shewakes up in the Bell Doll.
the way she screams and likepunches the shit outta Chucky.
It's so good.
Chucky lets her know Hey, if youwant to get back into your body,
you're stuck with me.

(29:45):
We gotta go to Hackensack NewJersey and get this, uh, heart
of Dambala that I say I waswearing that night.
But records show I wasn't.

Donnie (29:54):
Right, right.
We know that you weren't, and Imean,

CryBaby (29:57):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (29:57):
get the heart of Dambala, I automatically think,
Hackensack, that's

CryBaby (30:01):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (30:01):
go.

CryBaby (30:02):
ev everything happens in New Jersey.

Donnie (30:05):
Well, yeah,

CryBaby (30:05):
Of course Jersey is the land of wonder.
no, it's funny though'causethere is kind of a goof here.
'cause I think they say that he,Charles Lee Ray was shot and
killed in Hackensack, NewJersey.
But we know that to be not true.

Donnie (30:16):
right.
They, they were in

CryBaby (30:18):
'cause the first whatever.
I don't care.
But they do have to go toHackensack, New Jersey.
And this is where those stupidlovers come in, Chucky and
Tiffany need a ride.
So that's why they bring Jesseand Jade.

Donnie (30:28):
where they

CryBaby (30:28):
I.

Donnie (30:29):
Jesse and Jane.
Right?
Right.
They need to catch a catch aride with, cross lovers who are
running from and Uncle Warren.

CryBaby (30:37):
Yeah, they just want to elope.
as soon as Tiffany says, Hey,I'll pay you a thousand dollars
to take these dollars to NewJersey, he is just like, Jade,
we'll put you through college.
I'll put a down payment on anapartment.
You won't have to work.
I'll get a job.
And I'm like, girl, a thousanddollars.
Like

Donnie (30:56):
before you even get hack.

CryBaby (30:58):
a thousand percent.

Donnie (31:00):
like economics in school.
Again, we should be math classesabout like how much things
actually cost and how to paybills and how to be responsible
for yourself.

CryBaby (31:09):
That would make us all like too good at being adults.

Donnie (31:12):
and we

CryBaby (31:13):
And it's hard to, it's hard to control people when they
know what they're doing.
Like, let's be real here.

Donnie (31:18):
That's, that's

CryBaby (31:19):
Uh.

Donnie (31:19):
So he really thinks that he is gonna begin this new life
with a thousand dollars.
Now, I'm not saying I don't wanta thousand dollars if somebody
wants to send me a thousanddollars, but I know I'm not
gonna put somebody throughcollege on it.

CryBaby (31:31):
but they still try.
They run off, they grab thedolls.
John Ritter, knows, and he triesto plant.
Oh, he successfully does.
He puts a weed in the back of,Jesse's van, and in the process
gets killed by Tiffany.

Donnie (31:46):
John Ritter get killed with a nail gun is
extraordinary.

CryBaby (31:50):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (31:51):
should experience it at least once.
It, is, that's not my favoritedeath.
'cause Gentilly death is myfavorite, but I think it's my
second favorite death.

CryBaby (32:00):
I feel like as we go through these, you're gonna
remember deaths and you're gonnabe like, wait, this one's my
favorite too.
And there's one,

Donnie (32:05):
death.

CryBaby (32:06):
there's one specifically in my mind.
And when we get there, I'm justexpecting you to be like, well,
um, but no, you're right.
Uh, and this, we get like thatfun little, it's, it's, it's,
the subtext is very sex,obviously, but where Tiffany's
just like, don't stab him todeath.
that's so eighties.
Like it stabbings went out withDahmer and Bundy, and they just
have this fun little banterabout how Tiffany wants the

(32:30):
death to be creative, which iswhy they do the nails on the
fucking, airbag to like launchinto his face.
And it does look good.
I always think about how his onelip is like.
Like it's, it's, it's, uh,nailed to his face.
It's nailed up.
If you're not watching thevideo, everybody, it looks, uh,
un my, my finger is in my mouthright now in case you couldn't

(32:52):
hear it.
My finger is in my mouth.

Donnie (32:54):
Yeah.
He does have his, his nip lenailed to his own face.

CryBaby (32:58):
he ends, yeah, he gets nailed and they put him in the
back of the van and Jesse andJade run off to start their new
life with a thousand dollars andimmediately get pulled over by
that fucking needle, nose assbitch.

Donnie (33:10):
mm-hmm.
The cop who

CryBaby (33:11):
That motherfuck.
Yeah.
I'm so glad he gets blown up.

Donnie (33:15):
You know, I'm, uh, that's okay.
So I, it's not my favoritedeath, it's a good one.
You know, the, the big explosionat the, convenience store, gas
station, drive-in diner,whatever the hell they stop at.
It's one of those things whereit's like, what small

CryBaby (33:31):
Or

Donnie (33:32):
bullshit is this?
Every single person from thehigh school is there.

CryBaby (33:35):
Yeah.
It's, it's very public.
Surprisingly.
Nobody else dies.
Just the cop Chucky's the onethat does it.
He turns the cop car into aMotov cocktail, which I
appreciate.

Donnie (33:44):
appreciate that

CryBaby (33:45):
Um,

Donnie (33:45):
should know how to do that.

CryBaby (33:46):
And also I just have to say, I love, there's a line read
where like this guy, he's astoner and he sees Chucky
crawling past him and Chuckyflips him off and this guy's
like rude fucking doll.
It's so funny.
But this is after the cop dies.
This is where we find out howtruly shitty Jesse and J are.

(34:07):
'cause they immediately blamethe other person for blowing up
this cop.

Donnie (34:11):
Yeah.

CryBaby (34:11):
And they still decide to get married.

Donnie (34:14):
I think if I really had any suspicions that my teenage
partner had just murderedsomeone and, and blew up a, a
rest stop, I, I might be alittle turned off.
That's true.
But if I really thought about Ifeel like it would be a topic of
conversation, whereas these twojust suspect the other, but
never say anything about it.

CryBaby (34:32):
Not really.
Well it's all like, what did youdo?
I thought you went to grabsnacks.
I did go to grab snacks.
Well, I thought you did thisWell, I did do that.
It is nonsense.
Is this how

Donnie (34:42):
of

CryBaby (34:42):
it does?
And it just, it, it makes methink a lot about this
heteronormative pressure to bein a domestic partnership, even
if it's with somebody that youdon't trust or that is not in
line with the way you wanna liveyour life or anything like that.
And again, it goes down to thatlack of communication.
It's just like jumping intothis, because this is what we do

(35:05):
as, as Cshe people, we get intothese relationships and we do
that.
We get married

Donnie (35:12):
We get

CryBaby (35:12):
even if we think that they may have blown somebody up.

Donnie (35:14):
Right.
We, we don't have anycommunication skills yet because
we're 18 and 17 or however oldthey are, but we're

CryBaby (35:21):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (35:22):
and get married because that's what you do.
And like, maybe you should waita little bit, learn, let your
frontal lobe fully develop,know, before leaping into
something like that.
But you're right, it's verylike, this is what we do and you
know, if there's something thatwe're uncomfortable about, we
don't necessarily talk about it,

CryBaby (35:38):
And it's like, again, it's even more weird to me that
they immediately go to NiagaraFalls to get married.
it is like, this will fix therelationship.
This'll fix us.

Donnie (35:48):
that,

CryBaby (35:48):
Yeah.
but it's so funny, watching thiscouple's relationship dynamic
fall apart while we're watchingChucky and Tiffany's get
stronger.
they bond and like they'resmoking weed together.
They're spending time with eachother again.
Chucky is so turned on with likehow Tiffany is killing people.

(36:09):
Like, it's, it's reallyinteresting to see how those,
two things slide past eachother.

Donnie (36:16):
Yeah.
You find yourself really rootingfor them from the get go.
I remember seeing this moviewhen it came out and I was What
year did it come out?

CryBaby (36:24):
Uh, 1998.

Donnie (36:26):
Okay, so I was pushing 18 you grow up surrounded with.
whether it's in literature ortelevision or movies, you know,
you always see straight people,even if it's in what I would
consider a, a good movie likescreen, you know, it's still all
about straight people.
when you eventually getsomething that's a little bit
different, for me, I clung toit.

(36:46):
Even if it was watching a movielike Trick or a movie about gay
men.
I had to translate that into mybrain to lesbianism because I
was a teenage lesbian.
yet it was still more satisfyingthan watching some of these
straight heterosexual romances.
that's just how I

CryBaby (37:01):
Yeah.

Donnie (37:02):
You know, it's just like I have nothing in common.
I don't understand what you'redoing.
Tiffany and Chucky might bethese murderous dolls, but I
feel like I have more in commonwith them than I do with the
kind of.
Ozzy and Harriet Heterosexualcouple.
it was just such a thrill to meto be able to see something a
little bit different and go, ohyeah, why?

(37:24):
I don't know exactly why I feelcompelled to, you know, root for
Chucky and Tiffany.
'cause I'm not a killer, butknew I was queer.
I just don't think that Iunderstood that they were queer
coded at the time.
And now I'm like, oh, that makessense.

CryBaby (37:39):
Yes.
It, it makes so much sense Jesseand Jade really are as white
bread as white bread can get,They are a laqua water, the
faint thought of a relationship.
Like it's, they're, they're soboring.
being so closely compared toChucky and Tiffany, it's
impossible to not favor Chuckyand Tiffany, especially like you

(38:01):
said, with the queer coding,with the Jennifer Tilly of it
all, even like Brad Dorf andJennifer Tilly's, chemistry.
It's just way more exciting tolisten to.
We don't even see it.
It's fucking puppets.

Donnie (38:14):
what's

CryBaby (38:14):
The, The puppets have better chemistry than these two
straight people.
I'm sorry.

Donnie (38:19):
I don't, they're never on screen together.
It's the two of them in astudio, and they are so electric
that it's Oh, to have been a flyon the wall of that studio while
they recording.

CryBaby (38:29):
Oh, I know Don Manini had this brilliant idea for
like, when they were recordingthese, he had them in the same
studio facing each other so theycould play off of each other.
And I think that was a wonderfulcall.
And that led to a lot ofimprovised stuff.
Like with, the, like with thedoll sex scene.
and we're about to get to that,everybody, what happens after

(38:49):
people get married?
I've never been married, so Idon't know, but

Donnie (38:52):
I've been married one and a half times.

CryBaby (38:55):
one and a half times.

Donnie (38:56):
because once it was legal and once was before gay
marriage was legal.

CryBaby (39:00):
Uh, yes.
Yes, yes.

Donnie (39:02):
times, once was a marriage and once was a domestic
partnership.

CryBaby (39:06):
Okay.

Donnie (39:06):
As far as I can tell you, after people get married,
they go to Stonewall, get drunk,go home and fall asleep.

CryBaby (39:13):
The answer I was looking for was they fuck.
But I will accept that They goto Stonewall.
It's the same thing.

Donnie (39:20):
Yeah.
It was

CryBaby (39:21):
No.
Yeah.
Well,'cause Jessie and Jade,they end up getting married and
there's these swingers next doorwhom are also queer coded.

Donnie (39:31):
Yeah,

CryBaby (39:31):
honestly feel like Jesse and Jade are the only
straight people in this movie.

Donnie (39:34):
almost like they're there, just so you can compare
everybody else to them, you

CryBaby (39:38):
Yeah,

Donnie (39:39):
excited about all the other characters, just because
you have these basic bitchesthat you can compare them to.

CryBaby (39:45):
Yeah.
'cause we have, I think theirnames are Diane and Stu, these
swingers.
I'm sorry, I understand thatthey're crooks or whatever, but
they're hot.
I would say yes.

Donnie (39:54):
It would be hard

CryBaby (39:55):
I would say yes.
If they came into my room andsaid, Hey, you're freshly
married.
We're here to have fun.
Do you wanna have fun?
I would be like, fuck yeah.

Donnie (40:03):
I'd probably hide my wallet first, but then I'd be
like, yes.

CryBaby (40:06):
Good call.
Good call.
Well, I wouldn't leave my moneyout there like that.

Donnie (40:09):
that is kind of weird.

CryBaby (40:10):
yeah,'cause they come in, they steal money from
Jesse's wallet, of course.
And Tiffany clocks it and shealso sees that, Diane stole the
ring, the wedding ring.
And so Tiffany being theself-righteous woman that she
is,

Donnie (40:23):
Yeah.

CryBaby (40:24):
goes and she kills them in a really fun way.

Donnie (40:28):
Okay.
So I love this step, but it'snot my

CryBaby (40:30):
I know it's not your favorite.
Okay.

Donnie (40:34):
you know, talk to me on a different day.
Maybe it will be, it's awonderful death.
but right now I'm just reallyfixated on Jennifer Tilly in the
bath, But no, this is a, afantastic death.
It's a really cool scene, reallycool effect.
with the mirror breaking overthe bed and all the mirror
shards falling down on this.
I think it's a heart-shapedwater bed.
Maybe it's a circle in.

CryBaby (40:52):
one of those,

Donnie (40:53):
yeah, it's definitely not your average water then.
And, you've got water shootingup and blood all over the place
and the, you know, metal rainingdown and it's just very
satisfying to watch.

CryBaby (41:05):
It is.
And this one is done by Tiffanythrowing a champagne bottle up
in that mirror and Chucky seesthe whole thing and he, this is
dead at like, I am not editingthis at all.
They die and he turns to Tiffanyand he's just like, I love you.
He went from six to midnight.
Chucky is Chubb and so hard.

Donnie (41:25):
Little do.

CryBaby (41:26):
Yeah.
'cause he is anatomicallycorrect.
We, we discovered

Donnie (41:29):
We do discover that also, they both,

CryBaby (41:31):
'cause they talk, boy do they have tongues.

Donnie (41:34):
nice.

CryBaby (41:35):
We get a wonderful, and, and I, you know what I love
about this is.
How earnestly this doll sexscene is played.
It is played as if we arewatching Nicole Kidman and, uh,
what's as fuck it is beingplayed so straight, in every way

Donnie (41:55):
That's

CryBaby (41:55):
and it's just it.

Donnie (41:57):
you know, like

CryBaby (41:57):
Yeah.

Donnie (41:58):
believe you're seeing this because they're taking it
seriously.
It's like improv comedy, improv.
If you go on stage trying to befunny, you're gonna be that guy
that nobody thinks is funnybecause you're trying too hard.
But if you go on

CryBaby (42:09):
Yeah.

Donnie (42:10):
and you just try to be real.
What you do is gonna be funny.
And the way that they do it isby taking it so real and
realistically that it becomesthis hysterical thing that if
they were intentionally tryingto make it campy or, you know,
trying to drop one liners and besilly, we'd be like, eh, this
is, is too much.
But because they

CryBaby (42:30):
Yeah.

Donnie (42:31):
mean it and they're earnestly and enthusiastically
portraying this doll sex, it's abrilliantly well done scene.

CryBaby (42:38):
I'm glad that you mentioned that because thinking
about the successful executionof camp, it is very difficult,
if not totally impossible to becampy by trying to be campy.

Donnie (42:52):
Oh.

CryBaby (42:52):
In order for camp to be successful, there has to be that
earnest quality to it.
And we get that with the littletasteful touch of doll butt
crack and the silhouette of themand, the doll sex noises, the
moaning and the banter.
Like that's all coming from avery real earnest place.
And that's why it succeeds atbeing one of the campiest points

(43:16):
of this movie.
And this movie is Campiest Fall,

Donnie (43:18):
Right.
can't, you can't forcecampaigners.
You can't be campy by trying tobe campy.
It's a, and that's

CryBaby (43:24):
I mean, look,

Donnie (43:24):
can do it.
That's why comedies are so hardto accomplish.
You know?
I wanna say anybody can bedramatic, but not everybody can
be funny.
I mean, Brad Dora has alreadyproven to us what a terrifying
person he could be, and now he'sshowing us that he can be
charmingly hilarious as well.

CryBaby (43:42):
he is a romantic lead,

Donnie (43:43):
He is.

CryBaby (43:44):
and to further prove our point, everybody, all I have
to say is take a look at the MetGala from a couple years back
when the theme was camp, andyou'll know exactly what we mean

Donnie (43:53):
yep.

CryBaby (43:53):
because girl, they set themselves up for failure.

Donnie (43:56):
Yeah.
Most people didn't get it.

CryBaby (43:57):
I feel like the people that got it are the people that
would have been campy anyway, nomatter the theme.
sorry.
I had this conversation likefive days ago with, a bunch of
friends, so it's like very hoton my mind.

Donnie (44:09):
Met Gala specifically?

CryBaby (44:10):
Well, just the idea of them trying to emulate camp in
an environment that is themajority, almost the antithesis
of camp because the MET Galacares too much about how it's
perceived.
And I feel like the thing withcamp is there's a reverence in
being irreverent and knowingthat, you are celebrating

(44:30):
something that is in bad tasteand doing it anyway, and doing
it genuinely.
And an institution like the MetGala is not a place for that to
really come alive, in myopinion.
But I'm just a 36-year-oldcross-dressing homosexual in
Brooklyn.
What do I know?

Donnie (44:48):
What do I know about camp?

CryBaby (44:49):
they're intense.
That's what camp is.

Donnie (44:52):
They're intense.

CryBaby (44:54):
Anyway, doll sex scene can't be as fuck.

Donnie (44:58):
That's good.

CryBaby (44:58):
I love when Tiffany asks if he has a rubber and he's
like, look at me.
I'm all rubber,

Donnie (45:05):
rubber.

CryBaby (45:05):
which is also like, not to show my ass on the internet
or anything, I've already donethat.
But another thing that I thinkabout because obvi, like, I'm on
prep, I'm on doxy pep, I get, Iget tested so regularly that
it's not.
As much of a thought on my mindto have a condom because a lot
of the partners that I haveoperate the same way as me.

(45:27):
Like we are all very informed,responsible, stuff like that.
So I'm just like, oh yeah,that's like a whole thing that
people have to think about whichis funny too.
'cause I also know fromexperience a lot of heterosexual
people that do not get tested

Donnie (45:40):
Yeah, I, I think

CryBaby (45:42):
at all.

Donnie (45:43):
group of people that I know who get tested the least
are straight people.
But I do

CryBaby (45:47):
Yes.

Donnie (45:47):
out here that as a, as a transgender guy, I have to worry
about condoms because ofpregnancy.
I'm on prep.
I have pep.
It's always like, hmm, now I'mgetting a little old to get
knocked up.
But who wants to take

CryBaby (46:00):
that's fair.

Donnie (46:00):
know who wants to do that?

CryBaby (46:02):
Honestly, no,

Donnie (46:03):
most

CryBaby (46:04):
not at all.

Donnie (46:04):
44-year-old pregnant man anybody had ever met.

CryBaby (46:07):
Pregnancy does play a game in this movie?
Well, I guess more so the nextone, but Oh, we get another
queer moment with Kathy NaJeanie cameo.

Donnie (46:17):
I almost forgot about that cameo.
Yeah.
What a great

CryBaby (46:21):
Oh, dare I,

Donnie (46:21):
a movie.

CryBaby (46:22):
Mary Sanderson comes in and finds the dead swingers.
How, how gay is that?
Come on.

Donnie (46:28):
That's

CryBaby (46:29):
Yeah.
It's pretty algebra quo.

Donnie (46:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
She is also, I a queer coded I,as far as I know, heterosexual,
but.

CryBaby (46:36):
That character or just having the genie as an actress?

Donnie (46:39):
about her, you're like, oh yes, welcome to the family
Kathy.
And

CryBaby (46:44):
Yeah, she does very much across that way.

Donnie (46:47):
but we just embrace her everything she does is a little
queer.

CryBaby (46:51):
I agree.
There's just some people likeJennifer Coolidge for example,
who simply by existing thecommunity's just like, yes you
You know?
I also think of Sarah MichelleGeller because of her state on
Buffy and Is Daphne and ScoobyDoo.
So Kathy is definitely one ofthose queens.
Those icons loved seeing her inthis scene.
and I hated that we cut awayfrom her to go back to this

(47:13):
stupid fucking couple becausethey think that they did it
again.

Donnie (47:18):
Yeah.
So now they each think that theother person has killed the
couple you know, couples will doanything but go to therapy.

CryBaby (47:24):
Honestly.
And but what they do is they goto their gay friend who tries to
play therapist and like mediatethe whole thing cause he, I
guess they had like a phone callthe night before.
He ends up showing up anddriving with them towards
Hackensack and he's just like,well, you both think that the
other did it.
So that tells me that neither ofyou did it.
Which is not sound logic, butit's at all.

(47:48):
Um,

Donnie (47:49):
to you, but it, it doesn't make sense to the rest
of us.

CryBaby (47:51):
it, it made sense to Jesse and Jade'cause they're
like, okay, it's fine.
And then he fucking finds, JasonRitter in the back of the car
and immediately they go back to,did I say Jason Ritter?

Donnie (48:03):
who by the way, is really hot and wonderful and we
should all appreciate JasonJohn's son.
But John Ritter

CryBaby (48:09):
Yeah,

Donnie (48:10):
dead.
You thinking about Jason Ritter?

CryBaby (48:14):
a little bit.
Uh, John Ritter.
He finds John Ritter in the backof his van and they immediately
jump on each other again.

Donnie (48:22):
Yeah, well,

CryBaby (48:22):
missing a beat.
They're like, I knew it was you.

Donnie (48:25):
if I saw somebody who had been killed with, a nail
gun, I would obviously think itwas my significant other.

CryBaby (48:31):
yeah.
Absolutely.

Donnie (48:32):
mean, obviously think it was my significant other more so
than the nail gun wieldingmurderous doll that I was
unaware was alive.

CryBaby (48:43):
We all learn, we all grow, we all evolve.
but yeah.
Gay boy dies.
David dies.

Donnie (48:47):
Because

CryBaby (48:47):
gets final destinations.

Donnie (48:49):
he get, yes, he does get final destination, which go see
bloodlines if you haven't.

CryBaby (48:53):
Everybody go see bloodlines.
I'm just gonna, I'm gonna secondthat.

Donnie (48:56):
Tony Todd.

CryBaby (48:57):
fucking fun.

Donnie (48:57):
May he rest in peace.
what one of the things aboutbeing queer in cinema, if you
haven't ever watched it or readit,'cause I think there's a
book, check out the CelluloidCloset talks about how, queer
and gay people in film arerepresented in that.
we die.
We, we often die in horrificways.
And David, even in this movie inthe late nineties about goofy

(49:19):
murderous dolls, still can'tlive through a horror movie.
but even if it hadn't been ahorror movie, he probably
would've been often some otherway, because

CryBaby (49:26):
Yeah.

Donnie (49:27):
kind of just how things were.
so of course he does,

CryBaby (49:30):
And not only does he die, he dies in a very public
way.
It's not like he dies in theback of a truck and he's
murdered by some dolls.
No.
He gets splattered on thishighway for everybody to see.
It's so public, it's verygruesome.
Like we all knew he was gonnadie,

Donnie (49:45):
Of course,

CryBaby (49:45):
unfortunately.

Donnie (49:46):
being there and being queer,

CryBaby (49:47):
Yes.

Donnie (49:48):
faithfully say not my favorite death.

CryBaby (49:50):
I can safely say that as well.
but at this point, Chucky andTiffany out themselves, they
come outta the closet andthey're just like, we are here
to take your bodies, you guys,and we're gonna go kill this old
couple, drive a Winnebago to NewJersey, and Tiffany and I are
gonna be fun.
We're gonna be married.
And then we get into thatlover's coral.

Donnie (50:10):
hell hath no fury.
Like Jennifer Tilley's sport.

CryBaby (50:13):
No, you are right.
Well,'cause we establish, she'sa mom, love and mama's girl, a
Martha Stewart, love and mama'sgirl.

Donnie (50:20):
Yes.
She loves that.
Martha Stewart.

CryBaby (50:22):
And Jesse takes advantage of that by convincing
Chucky to treat Jennifer Tilly,AKA Tiffany like shit.

Donnie (50:29):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (50:29):
And it turns into a fight.

Donnie (50:31):
Yeah.

CryBaby (50:31):
girls are fighting

Donnie (50:32):
the girls are, the dolls are fighting, the girls are
fighting.
It's a, it's a

CryBaby (50:35):
the

Donnie (50:36):
sequence in the back of this Winnebago that they, how
did they get the Winnebago?

CryBaby (50:40):
They just stole it.
They killed, we don't see it onscreen.
They just like

Donnie (50:43):
There's an old,

CryBaby (50:44):
baking cookies.

Donnie (50:45):
she Right.
Opens the mm-hmm.
we see the dead couple,

CryBaby (50:49):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (50:49):
I'm making that up completely.

CryBaby (50:51):
You're 100% accurate.

Donnie (50:52):
I've

CryBaby (50:52):
Yes.

Donnie (50:53):
movie 113 times, so you think I would have it nailed
down by now?

CryBaby (50:57):
Just like John Ritter's face.
Oh.

Donnie (50:59):
maybe it's long COVID, maybe it's age.
I just don't remember things theway that I used to.

CryBaby (51:04):
Girl, you're not alone.

Donnie (51:05):
yeah.
And then, Winnebago ends up thatgetting run off the road

CryBaby (51:09):
it's this weird thing where like Tiffany gets picked
in the oven, Chucky shoots atJesse.
Jesse pushes him out the window,crashes the Winnebago, and then
there's fire,

Donnie (51:18):
there's lots of fire.
Yes.
And

CryBaby (51:20):
left.
Fire.

Donnie (51:20):
kicked in the oven, you know, that's a big deal.
She was baking

CryBaby (51:24):
Yeah.

Donnie (51:24):
she's baked.

CryBaby (51:26):
and she's in the oven and she's got something in the
oven too.

Donnie (51:29):
See, this is what happens when you don't wear a
rubber.

CryBaby (51:31):
That's true.
Very, very true.

Donnie (51:33):
There's something about the idea of him shooting out
like little rubber sperm that'sjust really gross,

CryBaby (51:39):
That's actually, I didn't even think about what his
sperm would look like.

Donnie (51:43):
it would be a little pieces of rubber.
Right?
So

CryBaby (51:47):
we do see some Chucky juice in seed of Chucky and it
looks pretty standard issue.

Donnie (51:52):
it does look.

CryBaby (51:52):
Yeah.
Very sperm me.
So whatever.
Unfortunately no rubber spermson this one.
Dammit.
This is where this is our thirdact thing.
I'm not a big fan of this wholethird act.
'cause like they go to thecemetery.
The only thing I like is whenChucky and Tiffany get into a
fight, a physical fight,

Donnie (52:09):
That part's cool.

CryBaby (52:10):
after she betrays him because plot twist, Tiffany is
the reason why Chucky doesn'tget to do what he wants to do.
She stabs him in the back,literally.

Donnie (52:17):
Literally.
Yeah.
They're at the cemetery.
They go to his grave get theheart of Alala, which was around
his neck, but it wasn't.
and the goal is for them to takeover Jade and Jesse's bodies, so
that they can live again ashuman beings, but like what a
boring existence that would be.
They're both so boring.
You could pick better bodiesthan

CryBaby (52:36):
Honestly.

Donnie (52:37):
Go to the

CryBaby (52:38):
Yeah,

Donnie (52:38):
and go to Hot Topic and find too much more interesting
people.

CryBaby (52:41):
listen, the fact that this didn't work out is a
blessing in disguise.
You guys, trust me, you'll behappy.

Donnie (52:49):
Yeah.

CryBaby (52:50):
100%

Donnie (52:51):
you

CryBaby (52:51):
spoiler blood.

Donnie (52:52):
bodies?
Ugh.

CryBaby (52:54):
Absolutely not.
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm glad, I'm glad that Tiffanyand Chucky die in this movie.
I never thought I'd say that.
I'm glad that they don'tsucceed.
yeah, this whole third act as awhole is just, it is what it is,
it gives us a pregnancy.
And a jump, a jump scare endingwith a little baby Gigi coming

(53:16):
outta Tiffany and killing thecop.

Donnie (53:17):
Mm-hmm.
The

CryBaby (53:18):
Yeah.

Donnie (53:19):
up and is like, we've been tracking you, Jesse and
Jade, and you're wanted formurder, and then is like, you
know what?
Everything's cool.

CryBaby (53:28):
Yeah.
He sees the, the, he sees Chuckyrunning around.
He's like, Jesse and Jade,they're good.

Donnie (53:32):
guys

CryBaby (53:32):
Now you two get going.
He says something along thelines of like, you two, get out
of here and stay put.
And I'm like, which one do youwant, sir?
where are we going?

Donnie (53:42):
mean?
Yeah.
better

CryBaby (53:43):
Um, yes, be more direct.
It's like you run a departmentwith that mouth.
Really?
Okay, sure.
but yeah, that's like, that'sall in all the whole thing.
I would definitely, if youhaven't seen it, watch it.

Donnie (53:57):
course.

CryBaby (53:57):
I.
It's very accessible.
But I am curious, Donnie, onyour perspective, and I think I
already know the answer becauseyou said this was your hundred
and 13th time watching it, but,

Donnie (54:06):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (54:07):
um, you know, I, I rewatch movies a lot.
How would you feel, how do youfeel about the rewatch value of
this movie?

Donnie (54:13):
Well, I think it's pretty substantial having
watched it 113 times, but it'sbrain candy, when you wanna put
something on that you don'treally necessarily have to focus
on a hundred percent.
And maybe you already kind ofknow the story, but you don't
really remember it.
This is something great towatch.
It's pretty to look at,'causethe color schemes and the sets
are so great.
It's funny.
It, has really exciting,enjoyable kills in it.

(54:38):
it's not something that like,oh, I put that on and it took
two hours of my life.
For me.
It's like, oh.
benefited two hours.
I think if you've seen it,especially if you haven't seen
it in a while, there are so manylittle nuances for you to catch
the next time you watch it, thatI absolutely think that it's got
rewatch value,

CryBaby (54:55):
Yeah.
'cause it's the first time youwatch it, it's kind of hard not
to get lost in the novelty ofit, So it's like I, it's
definitely one of those moviesthat I think you benefit
revisiting from time to timeagain with space in between, of
course, like any good rewatch.
And you'll see a lot more ofthat nuance'cause I think.
A lot of the queer coding isburied so deeply in the subtext

(55:18):
and in your personalrelationship with queer identity
and with horror, that you needthat time to reconnect with it
and to digest it.
'cause I never, I don't think,up until this year, I would've
thought of Chucky and Tiffany asbeing queer coded.

Donnie (55:34):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (55:34):
It took me a couple rees to be like, oh yeah, of
course.

Donnie (55:39):
I agree.
I mean, when I first saw it,that was quite a long time ago,
and then I watched it severaltimes, you know, throughout my
life and then started rerewatching it when I knew we
were gonna do this.
So I don't know how much timehad passed, maybe, maybe 10
years between the last time I'dwatched it when I watched it for
this, series.
And was eye-opening in a way.

(56:00):
I was like, wow, look at all ofthis stuff that I didn't catch,
didn't recognize, didn't clock,just because I was so young and
I've evolved as a person.
But the movie has evolvedbecause society has evolved.
Like it, it takes all of thosethings for you to now be like,
oh, wow.
Dunno how I ever didn't noticethat they were queer coded, you
know, And then there's thingslike having Alexis Arquette in

(56:22):
it, who, I didn't know who thatwas

CryBaby (56:24):
There's layers that there's layers to that
performance that would not havebeen apparent until much later
because of how things playedout.

Donnie (56:31):
and that's, that's

CryBaby (56:32):
agreed.

Donnie (56:33):
the movie itself didn't change.
When you are watching the movie,you're like, oh, that's still
the same actor who played thispart.
But because they changed andsociety changed, we're able to
like, see it differently from,in our own perspective that it,
it queers that role even more.

CryBaby (56:50):
And it's already a very queer role.
Damien Blaylock I agree withyou.
Every time I see Alexis in thatrole now, something special
happens in my heart, I feellike, um, a bit more connected
to this film as, as a queerperson.
And I also just love that howmuch the queer community has
just embraced this movie.

(57:11):
You know, it's every Halloween,throw a stone, you're gonna find
somebody dressed as Tiffany.

Donnie (57:16):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
you know, part of that is, isJennifer Tilly and her body of
work, but it's also herembracing us.
she took chances with her careerby playing a lesbian, That took
courage to do in the nineties,and she did it anyway.
And she is always been anoutspoken ally and advocate.

(57:38):
And so the support that shegives us, we give back to her.
it's this beautifulrelationship.
as a result, this role that sheplayed is kind of a queer icon.
And if that role had gone tosomebody else, Julia Roberts,
Gina Davis, anybody else who wasbig in the nineties, you know,
we wouldn't have the same, firstof all, they would've been bad.
even though they, they're stillcelebrities and probably

(58:00):
would've done the role justiceto some extent.
It's not the same as havingsomebody like Jennifer Tilley
play that role.
queer coded herself by doing thework that she did,

CryBaby (58:09):
Yeah.

Donnie (58:10):
just kind of said, oh, we agree.

CryBaby (58:12):
I feel like, her work is the reason why Tiffany is
later to be revealed as queer, Idon't know if this story, and
this is of course, we're kind ofgetting in the spoiler
territory.
Everybody, there's like, what?
We have what, three more moviesafter this.
At some point in those threemovies, Tiffany starts swinging
another way or starts swingingevery way, if I'm being honest.

Donnie (58:34):
there's a lot of

CryBaby (58:34):
Yeah,

Donnie (58:35):
and, and a lot of

CryBaby (58:36):
it's a very,

Donnie (58:37):
that go into the swinging, but like

CryBaby (58:39):
it's, it's.
A very manic, pansexual vibe.
And I think thinking about the,the nature of Tiffany in this
movie being that hopelessromantic, it totally makes sense
that Tiffany would evolve to beso in love with love.
That love has no boundaries.
So she would love anybodythat's, that infatuate her

(59:00):
really.

Donnie (59:00):
Yeah.
That's

CryBaby (59:01):
Oh, I love that.

Donnie (59:02):
What is, your favorite, is there a favorite pill for
you?
Did you mention this?

CryBaby (59:07):
Oh, it's hands down.
Jennifer Tilley in the bathtub.
Like, there's

Donnie (59:11):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (59:11):
what I will say though, revisiting our initial
conversation on rewatch value,I, 10 years ago, 15 years ago,
got even 20 years ago, neverwould have blinked an eye at
Jennifer Tilley's death in thismovie.
I wouldn't have thought aboutit.
I would have been so enamored ofthe, the waterbed with the

(59:32):
mirror that that's all Iwould've been able to see.
It wasn't until I startedrewatching it for this podcast
where I was like, this is abeautiful ass scene.
It's very impactful.
It's very queer, it's verywhimsical.
It's very fun.
it is a new favorite of mine,like that, that, that.

Donnie (59:53):
our perspectives shift about things as we get older and
experience more, Because it'snot a bloody death.
But it's so good.
And for, for me, from theperspective of an actor, if I
were naked in a bathtub ormostly naked in a bathtub, and
they were like, action.
And you've gotta scream yourfucking head off.
So they say cut, and thenthey're like, okay, we're gonna
move the cameras and do itagain.

(01:00:15):
Ready?
Action.
You know, how long was she

CryBaby (01:00:18):
Yeah.

Donnie (01:00:19):
did she do?
losing her mind in this, in thisbathtub, you're watching a
masterclass performance of howto be electrocuted in a bathtub.

CryBaby (01:00:27):
Yes.
It's so dynamic and I didn'teven think about all of the
angles.
You're right.
There's so much to it.
if you're not gonna watch themovie, everybody, just watch
this scene.

Donnie (01:00:37):
it

CryBaby (01:00:37):
If not for Jennifer Tilly.
Watch it for the bathtub, forthe bathroom, for the homage to
Bride of Frankenstein, whichbride of Frankenstein also
innately queer.

Donnie (01:00:47):
Oh, for sure.

CryBaby (01:00:48):
The no heard around the world.
Well, and also James Whale waslike a raging homosexual and
very out about it, capital Ggay, and was not quite about it.
And this is in the thirties.
very tragic story, James Whale,I don't wanna get into it here.
Very sad.
But yeah, bride of Frankensteinis a very, we have Dr.
Pretorius who's a queen.

Donnie (01:01:08):
Right?

CryBaby (01:01:08):
the bride herself is, also queer coated,

Donnie (01:01:11):
The

CryBaby (01:01:12):
you know.

Donnie (01:01:12):
the world.
I love that.

CryBaby (01:01:13):
Yeah.
so we share the bathtub death.
That's our favorite one.
Huh.

Donnie (01:01:16):
that's so good.

CryBaby (01:01:17):
And I also think we're both aligned that the best set
piece is that bathroom.

Donnie (01:01:21):
The bathroom, I mean the whole trailer is is lovely, but
any bathroom that has a bathtubthat deep

CryBaby (01:01:28):
I am such a sucker and such a slut for a, a clawed
tooth bathtub in the middle of aspace that is just so, that's
luxury.
That's cty.
That's like, I'm thinkingsaltburn.
I'm thinking like,

Donnie (01:01:42):
Yes.

CryBaby (01:01:43):
I just love the luxurious, almost voyeuristic
nature of being in the center ofyour bathroom, just soaking.
And it's, I I love thatbathroom.
I love it so much.

Donnie (01:01:54):
into that trailer.

CryBaby (01:01:55):
I would too.
And this is, as somebody whogrew up in a trailer, I'm
telling you Trailers don't comelike that.
I wish, I wish if my trailerlooked like that, I never
would've left.
I mean, it wasn't my choice.
It was my mom's, but is thereany last thing that you want to
say

Donnie (01:02:10):
My, my parting thoughts on the bread of Chucky is, it is
such a wonderful jumping offpoint for the next movie for
Seed of Chucky that, it, eventhough it doesn't seem cohesive
with the first three movies,it's such a big departure from
the way that those were filmed.
This movie turns the franchiseon its head, but sets the tone

(01:02:31):
for the next several flicks.
if you haven't.
Watch this because you're like,oh, I like the child's play
movies.
I don't know about the Chuckymovies.
I think you're missing out.

CryBaby (01:02:41):
I would agree.
I, I will.
And this is not a hot take atall, but this movie,
single-handedly saved thefranchise.

Donnie (01:02:48):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (01:02:49):
we would have no continuation of the Chucky
series.
We would have never gotten theTV series, which also so queer,
so, so

Donnie (01:02:58):
as gay as

CryBaby (01:02:59):
queer,

Donnie (01:03:00):
be, you know?

CryBaby (01:03:01):
they really went all out.

Donnie (01:03:03):
Bu

CryBaby (01:03:03):
Um,

Donnie (01:03:04):
that got canceled.
It, it shouldn't

CryBaby (01:03:06):
uh, I know, I'm hoping that it comes back one way or
the other Also, this is such afar left field thing, but I'm
just gonna say this, I.
Have very mixed feelings abouthorror movie franchises that are
like, well, we have nothing elseto do, so let's go into space.
I really want to see Chucky inspace.
I don't care how they make ithappen.

(01:03:26):
I feel like it will be so fun.
I'm just gonna leave that there.
Don Mancini, if the seriesdoesn't get picked back up.
Make the Chucky and Space movie.
You're gonna Revit.

Donnie (01:03:35):
watch it.

CryBaby (01:03:36):
We're revitalizing the Ulta franchise yet again.

Donnie (01:03:39):
Yeah.
Don, are you watching?
Are you watching Don?
At Don Mancini?
We're talking to you.

CryBaby (01:03:44):
at real Don Manni.

Donnie (01:03:45):
I don't know who the other Don

CryBaby (01:03:46):
yeah.

Donnie (01:03:47):
but I guess we're talking to you

CryBaby (01:03:48):
Yeah.

Donnie (01:03:48):
Random Italian man.

CryBaby (01:03:51):
Do you know how much I would shit myself if Don Mancini
ever watched this?

Donnie (01:03:56):
you'd lose your

CryBaby (01:03:57):
I would.

Donnie (01:03:57):
don't even think

CryBaby (01:03:58):
I would.

Donnie (01:03:59):
of doing anything else.
I think you would just explode.

CryBaby (01:04:01):
I, I would go nonverbal hands down.
Like there's, if, if, and if Ijust even thinking about it, I
can't even just like thinkingabout the possibility of that,
like my body shuts down.
Um, oh my goodness.
Okay.
Before we go, I did get someaudio.
I wanna start doing this thing.
I wanna get people involved.

(01:04:22):
So I threw a little thing on thehorror icon Instagram story, and
I just asked for some people'shot takes or their opinions
about bride of Chucky.
I got a couple of responses, soI wanna give some shout outs
and, and read these.
So, first one, this isn't a hottake.
I think this person just readBride of Chucky and was like,
ah, uh, this is our mutualfriend Lena Ney,

Donnie (01:04:42):
Oh, all

CryBaby (01:04:43):
and it.
Yes, she said that she won a DVDand a t-shirt, on the radio that
the summer, that bride of Chuckycame out.
I'm guessing she won the brideof Chucky DVD and T-shirt.
And I'm like, jealous

Donnie (01:04:56):
That is so cool.

CryBaby (01:04:57):
God.
So that's Lena's hot take.

Donnie (01:05:00):
I love it.

CryBaby (01:05:01):
Getting free merch is the hottest of hot takes.

Donnie (01:05:04):
I wonder if she still has the t-shirt.

CryBaby (01:05:05):
I, you know, I have to ask her Now here's another one.
This is from, a friend andcollaborator, Joshua, Pang Barn.
huge horror fan does it makeshis own horror movies.
He said.
Pretty much it aligns with whatwe were just talking about,
about how, bride of Chuckyfinally allowed the franchise to
fully embrace its queeraudience.
And it's something that thefranchise I probably wanted to

(01:05:31):
do through it.
Its entire run with Don Mancinibeing a gay man himself.
But being able to see, the, thefull realization of like, no,
this movie is queer and we areembracing our queer fans.

Donnie (01:05:44):
Yes,

CryBaby (01:05:45):
Joshua, we both agree with you on that one.

Donnie (01:05:48):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (01:05:49):
Now the final one is, from Kiki, from LA Hi, Kiki.
She says, and this I, I do agreewith, she says, Tiffany was too
much woman for Charles Lee.
Ray.

Donnie (01:06:02):
Uhhuh.
He can

CryBaby (01:06:04):
Yeah.

Donnie (01:06:04):
her.

CryBaby (01:06:04):
Listen, listen, I like Chucky.
I do like Chucky, but this movieI am just like, you don't know
how to handle that woman.
You don't know what you'redoing.
Uh, so yes, Kiki, we agree withyou on that one.

Donnie (01:06:21):
absolutely.

CryBaby (01:06:22):
Kiki also said something interesting, I forgot
to write it down so I can'tquote it verbatim, so if I'm
wrong, I'm just gonna cut thisout.
But she said that obviously likethey're a toxic relationship.
We know that there's this wholefixation on control and power
and obsession and stuff likethat.
But she said that that toxicrelationship benefited Gigi Glen

(01:06:44):
and Glenda in Cedar of Chucky.
So I would like to put a pin inthat and I think we can talk
about that next, next episode.
'cause of course there's so muchto talk about with gender
identity and all like that'slike the main focal point, And
I, I mean, I guess parenting isa, a huge theme in that as well.
'cause it is a family drama, butI never thought about how that

(01:07:07):
parenting benefited Glen andGlenda, so I, it'd be really
interesting to explore that.
So we're putting that in ourbrains, right?
Donnie?

Donnie (01:07:16):
we're putting that in our brains.
And just as a quick aside, youshould have heard me trying to
explain to my therapist todaythe, the plot of Seed of Chucky.
And because I was like, andthere's a, there's a non-binary
character.
She was like, is there?
And I was like, well, kind of.
then to try to ex explain whatGlen and Glenda was.
And she was just like, a transwoman.

(01:07:38):
And she was like, huh?

CryBaby (01:07:40):
Uh,

Donnie (01:07:40):
And I said, uh, you gotta watch it.
You gotta, you gotta watch it.

CryBaby (01:07:44):
Yes.

Donnie (01:07:44):
I

CryBaby (01:07:45):
You gotta watch.

Donnie (01:07:45):
pimping out the, the Chucky series to my therapist.

CryBaby (01:07:49):
As you should listen, if, if my therapist hasn't seen
the Chucky series, they are notmy therapist.

Donnie (01:07:57):
She

CryBaby (01:07:57):
Not for me, no.

Donnie (01:07:58):
destination series, so

CryBaby (01:07:59):
Speaking of final destination, why not?
Let's go a little bit off book.
So you saw bloodlines, Zach,

Donnie (01:08:03):
did see Bloodlines, I saw it while I was in Tucson
and, a movie theater that hadone of those like four D chairs
that like shakes and moves whileyou're

CryBaby (01:08:11):
you taught in 4d.

Donnie (01:08:13):
done that before.
It was my first time.

CryBaby (01:08:15):
my mouth dropped so far open.
I literally got a cramp under mytongue.
Hold on.
I forgot that that was an optionfor this movie.
How wild.

Donnie (01:08:25):
I, I

CryBaby (01:08:25):
How wild?

Donnie (01:08:26):
It was like, there were times where I thought it was
almost a little distracting.
Like I just wanted to watch themovie.
But I, I really enjoyed it.
I feel like it was very much afamily drama that happened to be
a final destination movie.
But I, I still really liked it.
I really, and I, the openingsequence is a make or break for
me, and I, I thought it was amake.

CryBaby (01:08:43):
Oh, a big make.
So I, I did a whole video on, Iranked all of the deaths of the
final destination movies.
Uh, it's on YouTube now,everybody.
Give it a listen, give it awatch.
Show me some love.
But, uh, I'm with you.
I think it was a wonderful wayto bring the franchise back.
The family element brought somuch heart to it that I think,
some of the earlier finaldestinations were missing,

(01:09:05):
specifically, like finalDestination four, where it's
just like, we don't care aboutany of them.
This family I cared about andthat opening.
Set peace.
That opening scene is genuinelya contender for my favorite.
it is very up there for me.
I think it was so well done.

Donnie (01:09:23):
sequence was so

CryBaby (01:09:24):
that it was so good, and it was like, as somebody who
is afraid of heights, it waseffective.
It was very effective

Donnie (01:09:31):
effective.

CryBaby (01:09:31):
and y'all can tell me, sound off in the comments or
wherever you want to, to tellme, but I'm just curious to know
if anybody else, when they gointo a skyscraper or a tall
building, just thinks aboutwhether or not it's gonna fall
over.

Donnie (01:09:43):
Oh,

CryBaby (01:09:44):
think about it every time I, if I'm above like six
stories, I'm just like, how isthis shit coming down?
Like, how are we doing this?

Donnie (01:09:52):
You know,

CryBaby (01:09:53):
Uh

Donnie (01:09:54):
I thought was really cool, now that we're off topic,
there is a,

CryBaby (01:09:57):
mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:09:57):
woman in that first sequence, an older lady who's
like really well dressed andthey light her on fire and she's
running, she's got her hands upin the air like this and she
runs through the, the buildingand then, you know, and they
kept her on the camera for along time.
And I was, I just laughed.
I was like, look at that oldlady on fire, you know, and I
thought it was DGI.
I read that they actually pulleda 71-year-old stunt woman out of

(01:10:21):
retirement and

CryBaby (01:10:22):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:10:23):
on fire, and then we're like, run.
cool is that

CryBaby (01:10:27):
And they broke a record for the oldest person to be
selling fire.

Donnie (01:10:31):
set on fire?

CryBaby (01:10:32):
I, I love that.
That was practical.
And I agree.
It was kind of funny

Donnie (01:10:36):
Yeah.
I

CryBaby (01:10:37):
to be a bitch.

Donnie (01:10:38):
oh no,

CryBaby (01:10:39):
I think it was also just like the way she was
screaming and running it, therewas just something

Donnie (01:10:43):
this.

CryBaby (01:10:44):
comical about it.
The actress that played Iris wastalking about how them doing
shit like that on set.
She was like, I wasn't acting.
I was genuinely shocked to see awoman on fire running around.
And I'm like, honestly, work?
Yeah.
Like effect.

Donnie (01:11:03):
Yeah, it was good.
And it was, you know, really sadto see Tony Todd look as

CryBaby (01:11:07):
Hmm.

Donnie (01:11:08):
as he was, you know?

CryBaby (01:11:10):
Yeah.

Donnie (01:11:10):
I know that he

CryBaby (01:11:11):
It was jarring.

Donnie (01:11:12):
so it was very touching.
I, I teared up a little bit,

CryBaby (01:11:14):
he was me too.
He was speaking to us, which,um, and when I say us, I mean
specifically me and you.
Before the take, he was like,this is for Cry Baby.
And Donny, no, the, thedirectors were just like, speak
from the heart and it very muchfelt like a love letter and a
thank you and a goodbye

Donnie (01:11:32):
it was

CryBaby (01:11:32):
from Tony Todd to his fans.
And I, it was so sweet.
And I'm very happy that we gotto have a William Bloodworth
origin spoiler alert, a WilliamBloodworth origin story in Tony
Todd's last final destinationmovie.
And it's like, we don't need tosee his death scene.
We know what's gonna happen.
We know what's coming.

(01:11:53):
And that's that.

Donnie (01:11:54):
see that movie too.

CryBaby (01:11:55):
destination.

Donnie (01:11:56):
Bride of Chucky and also go see Final Destination.

CryBaby (01:11:59):
Yes.
alright, well that's, that's allwe have on this episode.
For those of you listening outthere in Babeland, if you want
to share your thoughts, feelfree to email horror
icon@gmail.com.
Or you can follow us on theInstagram at horror icon that's
horror spelled with the WH IconPod on Instagram.

(01:12:21):
I'm trying to be moreinteractive with y'all, and as
you heard, I am bringing in somehot takes and some audience
inputs, so feel free to sharethem with me.
And you might just make it ontothe Horror Icon podcast.

Donnie (01:12:32):
Cool.

CryBaby (01:12:32):
Now, before we go, Donnie, once again, where can
our viewers find you?

Donnie (01:12:37):
find me in two places.
One is on Instagram at the DonnyCnci, is C-I-A-N-C-I-O-T-T-O.
every time I spell it, I kind ofwish my last name was Smith,
Donny Cnci.
and you can also find a companythat I run called Trans Voices

(01:12:59):
Cabaret, which is also onInstagram and Facebook, and it's
just the words Trans Voicescabaret.
And it is a company that upliftsthe voices of transgender and
non-binary performers andsingers, across the country.
So check that out as well.

CryBaby (01:13:15):
I will cosign that as somebody who has both, shared
the stage with Trans Voicescabaret alum, and who has sat
many a times in the Trans Voicescabaret, the talent is
immaculate.
It is such a wonderful time andkind of to, to bring it back
home.
We were talking a lot aboutQueer Joy earlier and how

(01:13:35):
essential it is for that, andTrans Voices Cabaret is one of
those moments where I was justsitting there and I'm like, I
fucking love being queer.
I love being here.
I love connecting with thesepeople and listening to them
sing and share their souls.
10 out of 10.
Recommend.
Show them some love.
When is the next TV c do youhave one listed?

Donnie (01:13:55):
for this year yet.
Um, but we do have a drag outloud plan.

CryBaby (01:13:58):
We do next month.
Yeah.

Donnie (01:14:00):
Uh,

CryBaby (01:14:01):
Tell'em about drag out loud.
Donnie,

Donnie (01:14:03):
Drag

CryBaby (01:14:03):
the children.

Donnie (01:14:04):
is a live singing drag show that also features
non-binary and transgenderperformers and cisgender women
who perform as like high femmeor, or drag queens or what,
however, drag monsters, weperform at purgatory in
Brooklyn.
And, it is this, combination ofdrag and live singing.
So it's like a little bit of acabaret, but a lot of it drag

(01:14:26):
show and crybaby has, performedand also hosted one of those.

CryBaby (01:14:31):
I forgot about that.

Donnie (01:14:32):
you did.
I couldn't make it.
I I was sick.
And you, you stepped in and itwas amazing.

CryBaby (01:14:38):
An hour before the show, everybody.
It was so much fun.

Donnie (01:14:40):
Yeah, and I wanna say the date just got changed.
I wanna say it's July 18th, it'sa Saturday.
So whatever that Saturday of theweekend is and,

CryBaby (01:14:48):
Okay.

Donnie (01:14:49):
find online at drag out drag out loud, and every time
you like or follow somethingthat we share, you are totally
supporting the trans andnon-binary community.
So thank you for doing that.

CryBaby (01:15:00):
Thank you so much Donnie.
I appreciate that.
y'all should come through to thenext drag out loud'cause you
might just see a couple hotbabes there.
Like, I don't know, me andDonnie.
So

Donnie (01:15:10):
you just might

CryBaby (01:15:11):
if you're in Brooklyn, come through I'm still
unemployed so I need the money.

Donnie (01:15:17):
Come and bring dollar bills to put in the bucket.

CryBaby (01:15:20):
alright, well with that said, um, oh yeah, me, you can
find me Cry baby at, onInstagram.
I completely forgot this.
Uh, at.
I know I have to talk about me.
My favorite thing, you can findme, cry baby on Instagram and
TikTok at crying without the Gin public.

(01:15:40):
I'm trying superduty hard to bemore, funsies and interactive
and stuff on social media and Iwould just love to see you all
there'cause it fuels me and itbrings me life.
So that's that, that's all Ireally have to say.
Again, please, like, subscribe,rate all the things, help get
other our little queer voicesout there to the public.
We need to find our people rightnow.

(01:16:02):
join us next time for Seat ofChucky.
And until then, cuties, don't bescared.

Donnie (01:16:07):
ready for.

CryBaby (01:16:08):
Oh me, fucking too seat of Chucky.
Join us for that.
And until then, cuties, don't bescared unless you're into that
sort of thing.
Bye.

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