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July 31, 2025 68 mins

With the Jeffrey Epstein saga dominating the conversation for weeks now, it feels like we’re roasting in a summer of conspiracy theories.

And given how conspiracy and cover-up play a recurring role in the story we’re exploring about the breakdown of trust in public health and medicine, this week felt as good as any to take on the topic.

So, what’s fueling today’s conspiracy theories? And -- hold that thought -- do we as a society even LIKE the phrase conspiracy theory any more? Where’s the line between healthy skepticism and something more destructive? And couldn’t we come up with a better term for the beliefs of people who say they feel dismissed by an establishment that labels their good-faith suspicions as conspiratorial?

To help us unpack all this, we’re joined by two Wall Street Journal reporters, Aruna Viswanatha and Joel Schectman. Back in June, they published a major investigative piece that dove into the godfather of all conspiracy theories: the claim that the U.S. military has been secretly studying alien spacecraft for decades.

What these reporters uncovered wasn’t what anyone expected and is our jumping-off point for a conversation about conspiracy theories, legitimate suspicion, and how investigative journalism might hold a key to not only getting at the truth, but also rebuilding trust.

Hosts:

Brinda Adhikari

Tom Johnson

Maggie Bartlett

Dr. Mark Abdelmalek


Guests:

Joel Schectman, Wall Street Journal Reporter
Aruna Viswanatha, Wall Street Journal Reporter

Authors, The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America's UFO Mythology

 https://tinyurl.com/mrxsxxrp

Resources:

Why People Believe Conspiracy Theories

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/misguided/202506/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories

I Was Just About To When My Grant Was Cut
https://substack.com/home/post/p-169548794

MAHA Supporters Weigh in on Kevin Hall Episode

https://whyshoulditrustyou.substack.com/p/maha-supporters-weigh-in-on-kevin

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