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October 8, 2025 33 mins

After hours fighting a hacker, Jason’s back — and Melanie’s plugging his brain back online just in time for the mic. 

Two brains. One business.

Meet Dr. Jay, the creative who paints websites with precision and personality… and Mr. Winternet, the tech mind who speaks fluent command line. Together, they’re the two brains behind WinternetWeb — one designing the experience, the other defending it — only on Wired Together. 

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SPEAKER_01 (00:04):
All right, welcome again to Winternet Web's Wired
Together with your host MelanieWinter and Jason Winter.
And today, as part of our spookyseries for October, we are going
to talk about the brain.
Spooky.
So, uh, the brain, ha ha ha.

(00:26):
It's alive.
Taking off of uh, say, oldnovels, uh, we are talking, uh,
kind of relating things to saythe Dr.
Jekyll, Mr.
Hyde concept of two parts of abrain.
And so it does take two parts ofa brain to function through and

(00:50):
and navigate through InternetWeb Techies, neither of which uh
means my brain.

SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Oh, come on now.

SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
We are talking two parts of Jason's brain.
So Jason is the the the brainbehind the whole thing.
I would call myself the theground wire, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Ground wire, I like return to it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
To the uh electrical circuitry that is Jason's brain.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Yeah, because the ground wire makes sense without
that, yeah.
Then it shorts.
And yeah, you see me look likethat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24):
Sometimes daily.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26):
Just a a bit of honesty here.
It's um his brain is shortedtoday.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
Pretty much Yeah, this might feel it's unscripted
or whatever is our firstepisode, but so I am going to uh
treat it as almost like aninterview.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48):
This regular every day.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49):
Hopefully, half shows up for each.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52):
Right.
Um so in the navigation of saythe forest of hex codes and era
messaging.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
Uh I would be like the the GPS.
I'm trying to kind of pull youthrough the woods here.

SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
And and help a lot with that.
You know all of the ins and outsof the woods itself.
So as the the two parts of thebrain, we're we're really
talking about uh two aspects ofWinternet Web.
We do um web content, webdesign, um, which is fun and
creative.

SPEAKER_00 (02:28):
Certainly the more creative, right?
Um you need to be in the rightmindset for that.

SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Now, I mean there are less fun parts like dealing
with security, servers, thingslike that.
But as far as like you know, thebuild process, you are being
extremely creative.

SPEAKER_02 (02:42):
Sure.

SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
Uh so that that is the creative brain, is tickling
that one part.
And then um, and then you havecomputer repair or um computer
repair.

SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
Um dealing with hacker something being common.
Things like that.
That's really taxing.

SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
That that can be extremely taxing on the brain,
and that is um pretty much morelike your your Mr.
Hyde, your bestial version.
So, you know, it I've actuallyliterally heard seen him uh
listen to the the computer.
There's there's this like soundthat he's listening for.

SPEAKER_00 (03:22):
It's gosh, it's without it sounding too crazy,
it is like a frequency that Ipick up on with the computer.
It seems very horroristic thatyou know when a computer is
struggling.

SPEAKER_01 (03:38):
Like one can literally hear it.

SPEAKER_00 (03:40):
It's um yeah, it's almost like I mean the pattern
of the hard drive and what it'sdoing and everything, and just
like the the rhythm.
You I guess it's one of thosesituations when you've been
doing something for this long,you're picking up on things that
end up being a pattern to whichthat you use to resolve it, but

(04:00):
you can't quite explain what itwas, you know.
It's just whatever that is, andyou I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
So it feels off.
Well, yeah, yeah, and it's justsometimes it's almost like you
can say why it feels off onceyou dug in.

SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Computers become their own category of concern or
whatever, and whatever they'restruggling with, and sometimes I
guess you pick up on thatpattern.
It's like their characters areand it's like, yep, I heard this
before.
Okay, here's probably how I needto attack this first, and then
you just move forward.
I don't know.
It's kind of crazy.

(04:42):
But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:43):
But I mean that's just one side of it, and that's
kind of how And that's like thelike the B-steal version, the
the command lines you've got tokind of tap into a bit of uh
there's the whole different formof charter attack.

SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
It's uh and and it and it's hard, you know, when
you're in when you're in acreative mode, you're feeling a
lot different.
And it's just like it's likeenergy, it's abstract, it's
coming from afar, it's comingand it's an excitable energy.
When you're trying to mitigate aproblem or resolve that, you you

(05:19):
really fall more into a logicalside of your brain, and the only
way to really become effectiveat either is sometimes is to cut
the other one off.

SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
And go full force.

SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
Which is the again the two brains.
So they don't totally interact.

SPEAKER_00 (05:35):
Which is why it it's not effective if it does.

SPEAKER_01 (05:39):
Which is why Winter Netweb had to come up with
specific days for things thatare computer repair oriented.
Right.
Because going um and like we'vedefinitely experienced this
particular week, is um therewere certain computer repair
issues that just had to be goneahead and taken care of.

SPEAKER_00 (06:00):
Right.
I mean, you do have things thatneed you I need to jump on that
right now before.

SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
There was no way of waiting for our specific day.
We had to go ahead and get itdone.

SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Um and any any hackers out there listening, um
we're coming for you.
We're so done.

SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
There's a special place in Halloween for you, I'll
tell you.

SPEAKER_01 (06:21):
Um the the fact that these people are willing to
attack the these um vulnerablesocieties, more vulnerable, uh,
usually more elderly society.
Um, we're gonna take you out oneby one, by the way.
Yeah, it's and that is not nice,not okay, and we won't stand for

(06:43):
it.

SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (06:45):
Um, so yes, we have had some some had to be moments
this week.

SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
I guess what you're getting at there is while we've
had to schedule it normally fora particular day of the week,
normally on Thursdays we try toschedule all of that so that we
can focus on that because it'shard to dance from one to the
other.
And if you you know every dayyou're trying to mitigate
something, you can never getback into that creative mode of

(07:14):
the web design portion, which isa large part of what we do.
Right.
And the majority, really.

SPEAKER_01 (07:19):
Um the the web design part is um certainly
something where we want to beready with.
We want to make sure we're doingit um in in a way that's it's
it's a broad concept of ofunderstanding navigation,
understanding SEO, um you know,how we're gonna build this for
um layout concerns, right?

(07:42):
Google friendly, things likethat.
So we want to make sure that allof the pieces are in play, which
still gets to be part of thecreative brain.

SPEAKER_02 (07:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:51):
Um, but knowing all of this in the background while
you're creating, so that it'snot just um, you know, creating
willy-nilly.
It's creating in such a way thatwe know this is gonna be
something that really bumps upand and shows off.

SPEAKER_00 (08:07):
Because it's yeah, it's never like a template.
Oh, give me content, I'll plugit in.
I've seen so many um quotes fromweb designers that people have
dealt with, and I'm like, Idon't even know how they're in
business.
Because it's beyond that.
You you need to have the visionum not just from a you know, you
want the website to look good,you want to look good on mobile

(08:28):
and all of that, and making sureyou're paying close attention to
a lot of these particulars, butvision in a sense of you know,
like what are you forefronting?
How are you presenting yourclient in a way that looks
professional?

SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
What do we want the user to see first?
How do we want the user tonavigate back to where they need
to be?

SPEAKER_00 (08:49):
Exactly.
And the navigation is veryimportant, and you want to leave
a good impression.
This is this is you know, youwant the person to feel
impressed and feel comfortable.

SPEAKER_01 (08:57):
And you want the user to feel uh unfrustrated and
and stay and have a friendlyexperience on the site.
So that's um that's all part ofour thought process when it goes
to creating the the design.

SPEAKER_02 (09:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
And so that that does that takes a lot of brain
power.
That is a very um important partof what we do.

SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
Because it is um, and and people trust us with you
know something very important tothem, which is their It's a
reputation, it's a their faceout on the web, you know, so
everyone to can see.
So that's that's a lot of trust,and we want to make sure that
that trust is you knowthoughtful.

SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
And I mean, it's and it turns in them and be like,
okay, so what do you want it tolook like?
What what do you have and allthat?
If we kind of lift it up tothat, then what are we adding as
a service?
I mean, yes, it could piece ittogether, and yes, there are
technical aspects, but from acreative design aspect, you
know, I've always said, youknow, talking to clients, it's

(10:01):
like you know your business, andof course I know mine.
So it's a matter of I can'texpect them to tell me exactly
what they want.
I mean, that that reallysometimes it might happen where
it's like, look, I have someexperience with this, I don't
have time for it, but I know Ihaven't kept up with it in 15
years, so they can kind of talka little bit of web, but then

(10:24):
they're surprised over how muchit's changed too, especially
with the mobile front.

SPEAKER_01 (10:28):
True.

SPEAKER_00 (10:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:30):
Responsive is is important.

SPEAKER_00 (10:32):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:33):
Um so how do you prepare yourself um for the
creative mindset?
How do you go into it in in youknow that part of the the brain?
What do you think works?

SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
Prayer always works.
Um that would be both.
Yeah, right.
And it doesn't matter.
One versus the other.

SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
We're doing a dualism thing here.

SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
Right, exactly.
But it it's a it's a feeling ofI guess the best thing, you
know, when you look at cloudsand you kind of see, you know,
you make shapes out of it, andyou see, oh, that's a person,
you know, doing this, or that'sa an animal over there.

(11:20):
And you it's like looking outinto what would be nothing
otherwise seeing the experience,almost like visualizing the
site, you know, in action withall the elements there, and
you're just kind of picturingthat.
And sometimes, you know, thecolors kind of come to you, some

(11:42):
of the uh uh animations, but notyou know, to a like distractive
but point, but where you kind ofsee um to what end you want
motion to happen as part of theexperience.
And I mean we've right now we Imean we have over a hundred

(12:05):
active sites, so over the courseof our 18 years, we've probably
created 250 websites.
Some have been redesigned andsome have come and gone, but not
one looks the same.
So you're trying to feel thatexperience.
It's like if now that I'vespoken to the client, I know
their business.

SPEAKER_01 (12:22):
I'm building as I speak, I'm sure you are too.

SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, and it's like in fact Iknow you are, but yeah.
Right, right, because we've beenthere, we've had a conversation.
There'll be times we'll be witha client and we're getting
information, and I'm like, ah,so I kind of talked myself, not
quite like Rain Man, but maybe alittle bit.
And it's like, ah, yeah, I cankind of see this sort of the and
Melanie's like, I got themahead.
I'm like, cool, you seesomething?

(12:45):
Good.
Let's go with that.
Remember that, I'll come back toyou.
So yeah, you you kind of justdevelop, and again, it's a kind
of an aura in a way.

SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
Sometimes we agree, sometimes it's like we had
slightly different visions.

SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
It's like, ooh, I like that.
Okay, cool.
But real quick, then we kind ofput those together.
And it's like perfect.
And it's like, ah, and you know,so but it's excitable, it which
is a different mindset.
It I don't mean to say that thethe creative aspect of web
design is positive and computerrepair is negative, but there
the emotion is different, andthere is emotion in both.
And emotion creates passion.

(13:17):
Emotion is helpful as long as itis working toward your goal and
not getting in the way.
Um, the emotion behind dealingwith a hacker and all that.

SPEAKER_01 (13:27):
A little negative emotion, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
Yeah, it's a very, very negative because you, I
mean, you you're trying to go inand orchestrate the attack that
they have, you know, and thesteps that they have taken and
the the where they've hiddenfiles and done things as a way
of to rebuild themselves.
So it's kind of like war.

(13:51):
And when when that happens, youend up with just aura.
Now, you can't five minuteslater step over, let me start
working on this website, youknow, and all of that.
So it's kind of like um it'svery difficult to kind of make
that flip and everything.

SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
So and so how well you kind of went into how you
prepare for days that uh need tobe focused a little more into
dealing with a hacker or um youknow going through some computer

(14:31):
scans and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 (14:32):
I mean, it's you do need to give yourself time to
get into that mindset, which Iagain is the whole reason why we
split certain things because umI mean there's really no magic
trick, but you do kind of haveto put yourself, I guess, into

(14:53):
where you are in dealing withwhatever that is.
So it does take a process ofvisualizing and feeling yourself
there before you're there, sothat when you are there, you're
able to execute and focus and bein the zone.

SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
So it really does kind of come down to getting in
the zone of whatever that is.

SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Unfortunately, no magical elixir that kind of
helps you break into one side ofthe brain versus the other.

SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
No.
Uh-uh.
Um, I mean coffee, that's reallyhelpful.
There are there are days that,you know, it let's say, has it
been recent?
But there have been days whereit's like, all right, what we're
gonna do today, and you kind ofbase it off the feeling.
It's like, well, I'm feelingcreative, let's go that route,
versus, you know, alright, well,let's uh figure out this
logistical problem with thistechnology and the software and

(15:44):
how we can tweak it and make itwork better and all, you know,
it it does sometimes you'relending one way or the other,
and it's just a matter ofgetting yourself there.
And um, easier to prepare for ifyou already know.

SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
Right.
Yes, this is the day I'm goingto do again be more focused on
on command code.
Right.
Versus this is the day I'mfocusing in on on you know
trying to build something.

SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
Exactly.
I mean, a lot of industries havethis.
I mean, you know, if you you'reyou're going in to do something
of a particular nature, uh, youknow, sensitive nature or
something very emotional, youhave to kind of get your brain
there and you have to come homefrom that.
Um it even like in sports, youhave to hype yourself up for the
game.
So, I mean, very um commonly,you know, you have these
ritualistic things you try to doto get yourself there.

(16:35):
So um I guess it's no different.
And I guess I didn't realizethat was the case until trying
to juggle these two um asfrequently.
I mean, I've I've done both forquite some time, but not to this
level in frequency, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (16:53):
Right.
So one thing I know about beingthe grounding wire is um
collaboration is extremelyimportant when we go into the
creative world in the world.

SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (17:09):
And uh computer repair is a little more like uh
step a bit away.
You know, make sure that youknow it's not too overcumbersome
with anything else, which um wasnot the possibility today,
because um we wanted to go aheadand run the podcast and and as

(17:31):
you were in computer repairbrain and and definitely
overcumbered.
So it was kind of a okay, we'regonna just kind of um you know
zap you till you wake back up.

SPEAKER_00 (17:48):
Exactly.
Yeah, I mean, especially with apodcast, you I mean, it is
there's a creative elementbecause you are talking about
something, you're having torecall, you're interacting with
an audience, if you will.
So it kind of becomes whenyou're encumbered by something

(18:09):
technological, sometimes it'shard to step away from that to
find the ability to have aconversation.
And when it comes to ourbusiness, a lot of what we do is
service.
And yes, you're dealing withcomputers, you're dealing with
websites, but you're dealingwith people.

SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
Oh yes.

SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
But when it comes to the technological part of it,
the intricacies of the ones andzeros, the um just uh the the
tweaks that are necessary on aprogramming level for a website,
the way in which you're tryingto navigate and determine how

(18:51):
something was hacked and how tomitigate that, that isn't
dealing with the person.
That's dealing with somethingvery structural.
So that balance of it isdifficult.
So yeah, I mean, and coming backat office and it's like been
dealing with this.
I mean, it was kind of like, allright, well, we gotta get you

(19:11):
there, because you know, uh, andyou know, people calling left
and right, which, you know,thankfully, I am so glad they
entrust us with their needs andall that, and it's just a matter
of scheduling them and um all ofthat.
But getting from that, I guessthe what was it?
What we had like do we haveterminology for the the um Dr.

(19:34):
Whatever versus you know, it'sthe Dr.
Jack on Mr.
Hyde, but what wasn't theresomething funny?

SPEAKER_01 (19:39):
Oh yes, Dr.
J versus Mr.
Winternet.

SPEAKER_00 (19:42):
Dr.
J versus Mr.
Winternet, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (19:44):
So I'm loving it by the way.
Yeah, that's hilarious.
I think it's great.

SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Yeah, Mr.
Winternet is yeah, that's kindof creative versus that's when
you're like, yep, I'm here readyto work on the website.
Dr.
J, I guess, would be the more umYeah, it's almost in reverse.
It is in reverse, you're right.
Because Dr.

SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
But I would almost pick it that way though, even
though um Dr.
Jekyll is, of course, thecharacteristically the
characteristically theintellectual.

SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
That is the the intellectual man that is um and
then Dr.
Hyde, I mean Mr.
Hyde becomes the bestial versionof himself.

SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
So um this would almost be a reverse with the Dr.
J is the the computer doctor,the diagnostician, the one
that's listening to the thefrequencies of things out of the
yeah.
Nuances of no way of hearing, bythe way.
And then Mr.
Winternet is uh da da da.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
That's right.

SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Um we're gonna solve all your problems and get your
get the face of your company outthere and and um show you off to
the world.

SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
Right, right.
No, that's that's funny though.
Yeah, I did really like that.
It's funny being October.

SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
Every once in a while you gotta ask a guy some
some creative questions and thenhe comes up with something cool.

SPEAKER_00 (20:58):
Right.
That's funny.
And being October, like I said,I like the motif of the um, you
know, it's almost like theFrankenstein, a Frankenstein
monster.
It's so long.
At least that's what it feelslike sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
Yeah, which is uh sometimes I feel like Dr.
Frankenstein, because it's likethat poking and prodding of
right, it's like move.

SPEAKER_00 (21:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
Okay, I can get you there.

SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
Okay, that's all right.

SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
We're almost a person again.
Right.
Oh, oh look at that.
We're we're really close.
It's like, oh, there you are.

SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
No, I mean it's it's certainly interesting that the
challenges of going back andforth.
Um but yeah, I mean, it's you'retalking about like what gets you
one way or the other, and I willsay it still comes down to
trying to visualize yourselfthere, and it does take prep,

(21:52):
but it does take prep to comeback.
Um, I mean, but there are timeswhere it's like you got no
choice but to pivot.
I mean, I mean, we've hadsituations like trying to work
on something, and then likesomeone comes in, it's like, oh,
okay, we need to talk to ourclient about a website, and you
just have to make that switchlike immediately.
Oh, yes.
And I I'm also very fortunatethat you are my grounding wire.

(22:16):
That and not only that, but kindof like the status check, kind
of like the temperature check,the it's like, okay, so now we
need you here, you know, it'sgonna, you know.
Um, but I mean, and you know alot of both sides and what it
requires, um, to the point youunderstand, you know, okay, so

(22:39):
you're dealing with this andhere, have you thought about
this?
And you you do help on on bothsides of that realm.
I understand enough.
Questioning pride.
Is this anything like what youdealt with a month ago with
this?
And it's like, yeah, actually,it kind of is.
Well, let me look at it thatway.
So and then I explore that too.
So, um, yeah, I mean, it's likeyou you got you gotta know your

(23:06):
dog.
And I know I said that, and I amthe dog, I guess.
But you know, in in that sense,I think.
You gotta know your ghost.
I ain't afraid of no ghost.

SPEAKER_01 (23:18):
I ain't afraid of no ghost, right?

SPEAKER_00 (23:23):
Yeah, we did have that written down somewhere.
Yeah.
It's just all on the experienceswe have and everything.
It's just it it it's funny, andI don't know.
I mean, it I'm sure I can thinkof some industries, but you for
a small business out there, umYeah, I was about to you have to

(23:43):
thank you for reminding me of myquestion.
It's not question, but I'm gladI did without it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
Um but you know, it it this is a big difference with
uh which w you know wiredtogether is is uh focused a lot
more on small business.
Right.
Um you were talking at one pointwith larger business, you know,
what a lot of them um deal with,but there is a particular part.

SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
It's a specialization.

SPEAKER_01 (24:07):
So everything is typically more specialized, and
so your brain is in thatfunction more often.
Right.
Whereas small business, and thisis all small business, everybody
I've ever met small business.
We know you know quite a few umin our area and other areas, um,
where small business, you'redoing all of it.
It's yes full.

(24:28):
I mean, you you've got payroll,you've got you know, um the
creative parts, you've got thethe scrubbing of the toilet, you
know, you you're doing all theparts.
And so your brain is trying tofunction through all the pieces.

SPEAKER_02 (24:39):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
And so um that is you know, one of the growing
pains that we're dealing withwith Renanet Web is all of those
pieces and and how to and andthe the physical part is easy.
Uh you're quite a bit whilevacuuming.
But so that was the easy part,in all honesty, with um but

(25:01):
trying to uh navigate throughthe brain's function of each
part and having to bouncearound.
And so that's the the need to,you know, okay, let's not
overbounce to the point where welose too much on either side.

SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (25:18):
So let's let's make sure that we can focus too thin
from each on something that isgoing to be uh very heavily um
Dr.
J.
Yeah, very you know, um dealingwith the the pop-up ads of of
the era messages that make nosense to everyone else.

(25:40):
Um and then you know, the goinginto today we're gonna focus in,
we're gonna collaborate, we'regonna design.

SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (25:49):
And we're gonna really pull something in that's
never been seen before.
So those are the two um two, andof course there's other aspects
of things we do, but um a lot ofthose are a little more
creative.

SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
Yeah, and they are, but you also need to be in that
realm too.
I mean, you know, uh saysomething with 3D printing and
all that.
Um, yes, it is creative in oneaspect, but when you start
digging down deep into theintricacies of the tinker
programs or the cal decalculus,the physics, the the geometry

(26:25):
that make it happen in theprogramming aspect of that,
that's a whole different part ofthe brain.
So you you it's almost like youneed to entertain the story long
enough to get to the point whereit's like, okay, alright, now
now I need to dive in the whole,you know.
Right.
Um so and the same with some ofthe jewelry and things like
that.
But like, yeah, any small, anysmall business, you're handling
all aspects of it, and you'rehaving to deal with that

(26:47):
balance.
So it it it would be you knowgreat to um, you know, I guess
maybe in some future interviewsor some feedback, you know, of
other businesses and how they'vehad to deal with that that
piece.

SPEAKER_01 (27:02):
Please be kind to your small business owners as
you see them, they are possiblybrain fraud.
Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (27:08):
So when when they order the wrong thing at the
restaurant or you know, or youask them a question, they go,
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
I'll get back to you.
I'll get back to you.
Right?

SPEAKER_00 (27:19):
Yes, then it's it's possible they've had 50 things
on their brain and headlightslook where you just kind of
like, I do care about whatyou're saying, but I'm just
getting there, you know.
Right.
And I've seen that look, I knowthat look, I've lived that look,
and we've you know, so it's justwhat it is.
Um and again, it and that doescome with, like you said, the

(27:40):
it's not a specialization.
And that's why in like bigcorporate America, that that's
why they do that.
They hire and train you for acertain function.
If you want to think of it asthe assembly line, okay?

SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
I'm the person who's not saying that's easy, because
then you you you may be uh allone way and not creative and all
creative and not, you know,that's why people switch
technical, so you've got to beable to ordinance and that I
know right.
You don't want to burn out aneither or no, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (28:03):
You don't you do want to touch it all.

SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
So we're not saying it's easier, we're just saying
it's different.

SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
It is different, but that's why things become how
they become.
Um, and I mean any good um saytech company or whatever
industry out there will allowyou to dabble and take a break,
if you will, by jumping overinto another facet to, you know,
all right, spend spend a littletime in this department here and

(28:31):
come back, which is also veryimportant because in order to do
your job well, you have tounderstand how others handle
theirs.

SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
Um you know, so that's helpful.
Um I I I know remember when Iwould go to conferences and
everything, and I would speak topeople and of course these web
design conferences, and it wouldbe like, oh, okay, well, um we
uh, you know, what do you do?
And it's like, oh well, I'm partof the uh the marketing or you

(29:01):
know, whatever department.
It's like, okay, well, that'scool.
And it's like, well, what do youdo?
It's like, well, I was afreelancer.
I was working, this was apart-time gig at that time, so I
did everything.
So and they were like, So how doyou do that?
And you just explain what youknow, but in their vantage point
coming to the conference here orworking for a company, and they
were sending them off, hey,borrowing more about the
marketing aspect.
So it was intriguing to me thatwow, it's a specialization, you

(29:24):
know.
And they were like, You have youhave to do everything?
And I'm like, that's so cool,you focus on that, you know.
But you know, we could see theadvantages and disadvantages of
both, right?
But it also made it anintriguing conversation.
So how would you deal with that?
So well, how do you do you know,and it it was it was neat, it
was very lively, and it kind ofbrought the human to the front,
you know, because in either way,um the the machine works

(29:45):
differently, but the human isstill the same.
But yeah.
Makes sense.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (29:53):
So last question is Okay, sure.

SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
Um then I think we'll close up.

SPEAKER_01 (29:57):
Yeah, yeah, it was gonna be a little short one
today.
Um what brain do you wake upwith?

SPEAKER_00 (30:04):
What brain do I wake up with?
Well the brain I wake up withreally having nothing to do with
this.
Um actually the first thing Ithink about when I wake up um
are our our daughters we youknow we pack in lunch and I
always have to um try to come upwith a joke to write on a napkin

(30:27):
to put in their lunchbox.
And of course I've used severalsources, you know, you look up
jokes for kids, right?
Now if I look up jokes for kidson Google or whatever, this has
been like 200 times now, it'svery hard to find one that I
haven't found yet.

SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
Oh.
So audience, new jokes, that'dbe great.

SPEAKER_00 (30:45):
Yeah, I mean a new source of joking.

SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
So but what you're saying is you wake up with dad
brain.

SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
Yes, dad brain.
You do all that's kind of cute.
You wake up with dad brainbecause you have to put jokes in
the napkins.
So, um, and my kids say they'redad jokes, and I'm like, no.
They are dad jokes.
I'm like, no, I've had thesejokes before I was a dad.

SPEAKER_01 (31:04):
Uh they read them to the whole table, and and usually
there's a groan.
A groan, a groan, or sometimes,oh my god, I can't believe he
wrote that joke.

SPEAKER_00 (31:12):
No, no, I actually find some of the ones that I
think are like, okay, whatever,this is phoning it in, you know,
or it's like this is not thebest joke.
Catch someone funny, and it'slike, oh my gosh, it's epic.
Yes.
So the ones I don't think aregonna be.

SPEAKER_01 (31:26):
Your friends at the table enjoy the joke.

SPEAKER_00 (31:28):
Are the ones that are the winners.
The ones I'm like, wait, holdon.
You didn't think I was funny?
Come on, man, I was laughing.
You know, so it, you know, ithumor hits everyone differently.
Um I just love the play onwords.
Yeah, right.
So, but alright, well, I thinkthis was um certainly an episode

(31:54):
that I'm surprised at, you know,we're 30 minutes in.
Oh wow.
31 in.
It's not as short as I thoughtit was gonna be.
No.
Um, but yeah, it's just but it Ithink it does, and I'm glad that
you wanted to hit on thisbecause it does lend to that
broader segment of smallbusiness.
And well, of course, I just lovehow the brain works.

(32:14):
Oh my gosh, it it's it's it's anincredible thing.

SPEAKER_01 (32:16):
The more you learn, the more you know you don't
know.

SPEAKER_00 (32:18):
And again, AI was not part of this.
We're talking about the human.
We're talking about the colour.
The human brain is human so muchmore cool than this.

SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
Oh the AI brain.

SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
Right, and what it's able to do is still so much
more, and we're just trying tofind what that role means in the
future.
But um, alright, I guess inclosing here, um, you know,
please continue to review orfollow us on your favorite
platform.
It does help us reach anaudience, and um we're we're
thankful for those that havegiven us feedback and said, hey,

(32:47):
we're we're listening, weappreciate that.
Um it's October, obviously, andwith Christmas around the
corner.
Um we do have some uniquemerchandise online.
Of course, we have it at ourshop too.
You know, we do 3D printed umearrings and fidgets and things,
and we have circuit boardjewelry, which I really know is

(33:08):
a special audience out there.
We haven't really pushed it.
Um, but it is an interestinggift for that tech geek fanatic
that you might know of.

SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
Yeah, we'll push it more when we get some time to do
it, but we definitely shouldpush it.

SPEAKER_00 (33:22):
Exactly, we should.
So, but I think that's all fortoday, and again, we appreciate
your time and unplugging fornow.

SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
But always stay connected.
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