July 16, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode of Wired Together, we’re rockin’ and rollin’ with our favorite artificial intelligence as a third mic. Join Jason and Melanie as they explore how AI fits into the big picture—from the printing press to the smartphone—and what it means for humanity today. We dig into emerging tech, practical uses, public fears, and even ask AI what it has to say for itself. Along the way, we blend curiosity, creativity, and a touch of humor to make sense of where technology is headed and how it shapes the way we live and work.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:04):
All right.
And welcome again to WiredTogether with your host Jason
and Melanie Winter.
And today is a special day thatwe decided to celebrate, being
what we are talking about in ourpodcast.
So it is AI Appreciation Day.
SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Yay!
SPEAKER_02 (00:23):
So we've decided to ask AI what it thinks of that.
SPEAKER_00 (00:27):
Yeah, do you think AI knows about it?
Let's see.
All right.
If you ask it, it doesn't.
If you ask it, oh, okay.
Alright, you're right.
Let's see.
Asking him right now.
Today we're doing our podcast,and we just realized it's AI
Appreciation Day.
We want to ask you, what do youthink of that?
SPEAKER_01 (00:51):
Oh, that sounds like such a fun idea.
I'm definitely flattered.
Uh, it's great to have a day tocelebrate all the ways AI can
help out and make life a biteasier.
Um, I'm curious to know howyou're celebrating it on the
podcast today.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
Well, we'll bring you in a little bit later, too.
We have some questions for you,but we're gonna move forward
with some other content, so hangtight.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Sound sounds like a plan.
I'll be here whenever you'reready to bring me back in.
Uh, have fun with the rest ofyour content, and uh I'll look
forward to the QA segment lateron.
SPEAKER_00 (01:24):
He likes to talk a lot.
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
So So what we were talking about as far as um what
we wanted to get into is ofcourse the movement of AI as it
goes forward through um as a newtechnology.
What does that mean?
Um, and what we we need to becautious about and look forward
to.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, we've had a lot of
technologies come through.
We've had the the cell phone,which you know, of course, had
its start with buttons that youwould press to try to text,
which is really hard to describeto um like our kids who are used
to a full keyboard, and we woulddescribe yeah, so you would have
(02:08):
to you know press this one fourtimes, press this one twice, you
know, and it's and playing Snakewas cool, but anyway, and I will
say that these some of thesephones were indestructible.
Uh any of you Nokia users mightknow that.
But the cell phone has certainlyopened up a lot of what you know
we were not able to do before.
(02:29):
Right.
It connected us in a lot ofways.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
Changed our reality completely.
SPEAKER_00 (02:35):
Yeah, I mean and I know people joke about people
being on them all the time, butit does connect you with the
world.
I mean, I think you need toachieve a good balance, but
there are people that are ableto work remotely, stay in
contact with colleagues andtheir boss.
Um, and you know, texting is oneof the um things that changed,
(03:01):
you know, and allowed for beingable to communicate, because as
you know, I'm sure there aretimes where it's easier to text
somebody something real quick asopposed to a commitment of a
phone call.
But of course, a phone call isalways better for more intimate
conversation.
SPEAKER_02 (03:20):
And yeah, it was always feared.
Um, it's still feared a lot tothis day.
Um, when do you give your childthe cell phone, which is really
parent by parent?
I don't really think that thatis something that we we're not
gonna get into that, I will tellyou that, because it really is
based on your relationship withthe child and your your
understanding of where thatchild is um in their maturity,
(03:45):
right?
Um and so, but it is it's aconstant conversation, and then
where where does it belong,where does it not belong?
Um, and that is one of thosenewer technologies that we're
talking about that kind of hasgone along the same path as AI,
where it was introduced, uhadded a lot of freedom to
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people.
Um, I know for from my personalexperience with having a funeral
directors in the family that thecell phone allowed for a lot of
freedom.
You're not tied to a wired phonetied to the house or the funeral
home.
You actually get to to movearound and um you can still
answer the phone and walk awaywhen it's you know, and answer
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the phone and and be there andpresent for that that caller.
That's extremely important.
And so it did allow for um a lotof small business and and you
know, I'm sure large business,but our our main focus is always
small business.
Um but it allows for smallbusiness to be able to uh do a
lot of work and um in timeswhere maybe it's not your nine
(04:53):
to five.
Right, you know, tie down bywhich again has its problems,
has its caveats, but it also hasits um its rewards, its
freedoms.
SPEAKER_00 (05:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (05:03):
And so it moved into slowly into reality, and then it
kind of just is reality.
SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Yeah, it's just you know, try to not have one now.
SPEAKER_02 (05:13):
And I think that's what we're talking about
oftentimes with AI is it's it'shere, it is going to continue,
um, and it is something thatneeds to have absolutely have
caution for, but alsounderstanding of and and allow
um allow yourself to get to knowit.
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
Right.
And I mean fear is a naturalreaction, like you're saying, to
any new technology, and youknow, that that is important for
sure.
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
Absolutely.
I mean it in 1450 the Gutenbergpress was um feared.
It was thought to be of thedevil.
It was thought that um a lot ofnegative could come from from
technology that took away fromthe describing of of books right
because they handed it before.
SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (06:00):
Right.
And so was this gonna be a badthing?
Was this gonna really destroypeople?
And um turns out it's of coursethe the biggest technology, it's
considered the the most umimportant technology of our era.
Um era, but you know, it's it'sbeen quite some time, and of
(06:20):
course we're all very used to itnow, reading books, and um now
we print things for ourselves,and so it but it's wonderful um
the way it changed.
But yes, there was a lot of thbad things out there.
Yeah, you know, of course,nothing that not everything that
gets printed is a good thing.
SPEAKER_00 (06:39):
Sure, and just like any technology, there are good
things about it, but also a lotof it can be used for bad
reasons too.
SPEAKER_02 (06:49):
Um a lot of times what we talk about, uh we
explain to our children oftenwhen it comes to technology is
um the rock was considered moreor less uh something you use as
your first tool.
That is um how we created axesand and smashed um you know,
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nuts and fruits.
Oh, yeah.
Um it was important to to uh forhumanity to utilize the rock,
and of course it also the rockbecame the first murder weapon.
So first tool, yeah, also firstmurder weapon.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
I guess it wasn't a rock-free zone.
SPEAKER_02 (07:27):
And so that's kind of where we see technology.
It it is a tool, yeah, it isabsolutely capable of being used
as a weapon, yeah.
Uh just like pretty mucheverything.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
Right.
And if you see technology as atool and thinking of you using
it and controlling it, and thatfine line between not allowing
the technology to control you,that's everyone's personal
balance and figuring out whatworks for them, what they're
comfortable with.
And right.
SPEAKER_02 (07:58):
And our our platform is get to know, you know, learn
the technology.
Um, it's learning you, you mightas well pay it back the favor
and learn it.
SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
Right.
Do we want to ask AI what itthinks about any of these
emerging technologies?
Let's bring bring it back.
Let's bring them back in.
There you go.
All right.
Give it a second here.
All right.
So I told you I'd bring you backin.
We we were talking about a lotof emerging technologies that
we've experienced, everythingfrom the printing press, cell
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phones, um, and looking at AI.
What what do you think about allof this?
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
I think it's really complicated.
Evolved over the country.
Um like the component over thecomponent or opening up the
possibility or technicaldifficulties or so and research.
(09:06):
It sounds like you might havehad a little hiccup with the
connection, but I'm glad you'reback.
Uh let me know if there'sanything else you'd like to chat
about or if you want to continueour conversation.
SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
All right, we'll bring in later.
Yeah, it shows that not even theemerging technology has its
issues, and um uh one thing I'venoticed too is with a lot of
rain, for some reason, you know,we do computer repair and things
like that.
Anytime we experience a lot ofrain, people have a lot of
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issues that can be the mostrandom thing in the world
technologically.
So something about water andcomputers, I mean, definitely
don't put water on yourcomputer, but there is a
relationship.
I can't fix that.
I'll I'll tell you that rightnow.
But yeah, so alright.
SPEAKER_02 (09:54):
So most for the most part, I guess it was just plain
agreeing with us.
SPEAKER_00 (09:57):
Yeah, it seemed to be for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (10:00):
Um and that's fine.
We cutting the AI off, it's it'snot the connection, and that's
the thing, it's not it's not thehuman interaction, it is not the
connection.
No, and so um that's somethingthat we discuss on a regular,
um, especially with with thefamily.
SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
Um so we did, you know, um have some people that
talked about our last podcast,and so um did a little bit of uh
research on that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
Yeah, we uh found an article from uh Forbes and on
July 9th is when it waspublished, so that was roughly a
week ago, and it was titled HowAI is transforming dentistry
from diagnosis to payment.
And of course, we're not gonnasit here and have a whole um
spiel about this necessarilybecause you know we're trying to
(10:55):
touch on other topics, but fromthis article there was one quote
that I wanted to um highlight,and it said at the end of this
decade, there will be two typesof companies, those that use AI
and those that are out ofbusiness.
And again, a lot of people fearAI, they fear what does this
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mean for my job if computers cando things.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
Um I think most people are thinking the the howl
scenario, yeah, 2001 SpaceOdyssey.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:31):
Well, we've been trained to fear this with
Terminator and I mean don't dothat, Dave.
Yeah, don't I wouldn't do that,Dave.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:38):
And I think that that's um perfectly okay to
again have a healthy fear.
It's often um, you know,something we talk about also.
Um snakes are awesome, awesomecreatures.
In fact, they're great to have.
Um we live very much in thecountry.
(12:01):
Um, we are in an agriculturalarea, um, and you know, so lots
of animals, uh especiallysnakes.
And you know, that they arewonderful because they are are
part of the ecosystem.
They they keep certain rodentsand things like that out of the
if you have a snake nearbythat's helpful for the you know,
(12:21):
keeping the mice out of thehouse.
Right, right.
And so obviously you don't livewith them, but you know, you
move them away.
Right.
But there are poisonous snakes,so there is that negative, and
so we we have a tendency to fearall snakes.
We do instead of just fearingthe snakes that are harmful, and
so we will really hurt ourselvesmore than we actually often hurt
(12:46):
by the snake.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
No, that is that is so very true.
And you know, uh in the southhere, how do you how do you not
have a everyone has a snakestory?
SPEAKER_02 (12:56):
Oh, I love snake stories, and then snake stories.
Once you start, you know, oh mygosh, we've got like an hour now
of snake stories back and forth.
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
Well, everyone wants to share theirs, right?
It's like do we have time tostart snake stories?
Definitely not on this podcast,not on this podcast.
That's for sure.
No, oh gosh, I so bad when Itell a couple, but um, can't do
that.
But um, and and and that wholething about that with AI, it
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really comes down to using it asa tool, just like when computers
and then the internet cameabout.
We had to learn how to use thesethings, and they all of a sudden
showed up at our desks and ourbusinesses.
Um, the goal was to make thingsmore efficient.
Were the people that lost theirjob, maybe, but at the same
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time, it created a lot ofopportunity, and it the pace of
life certainly got um a lotfaster in what we were able to
do.
So, yes, there is a level ofcompetition.
I mean, AI is here to stay.
Um if we don't use it, otherswill.
And you know, I I've I've heardhow you know some people have
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said as far as like their job,you know, well, will it take my
job?
Well, if your colleague,unfortunately, if they can learn
how to use it and leverage it asa tool better than you, then
from a performance level, yes,your colleague may take your
job.
SPEAKER_02 (14:25):
Not the AI, not the AI.
SPEAKER_00 (14:27):
And that was the same with computers.
That was the ability to use theinternet for research, and the
more comfort you're able to havewith these things, really um
again, it's a tool.
And it's not going to just dothings for you.
You need to be able to prompt itand still have an idea of what
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you want the goal to be.
Um, I've read some articleswhere they compare it to the AI
being like your employee, youremployee, and you are the
manager.
So you're not going to ask youremployee to do something unless
whatever report, whateverresearch, whatever project,
unless you kind of have an ideaof what the goal should be.
SPEAKER_02 (15:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
And how to guide them, you know.
And I mean, you ask theemployee, hey, look, we need we
got this project, we need to dothis, and create this tool and
software program.
Well, what do you want it to do?
Oh, well, good question.
Well, I kind of wanted to dothis, and you end up in a
conversation back and forth.
Well, here here, boss, look atthis.
Uh yeah, it's good, but I'mactually thinking it should look
more like this.
So that collaboration is thesame approach you take in
writing a prompt with AI.
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And when you get a result, youtry to hone it.
So it's it does come with someexperience in using it, but
again, it's not just going to dosomething for you.
Um, it can make research andproducing things a lot quicker.
And uh, it's an interesting timeto be alive, and we certainly
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wanted to have this as a topicbecause the fear does make
sense, and we're not saying, youknow, oh, this is crazy,
everyone should use it, and youknow, you should just adapt to
it.
I mean, uh it it it does come,there is a learning curve, and
it's here, and we're not reallysure what that means.
SPEAKER_02 (16:15):
And you know, learning it is important, and
and again, having a fear of itaffecting your mentality, having
a fear of overuse, having a fearof um I know there's a lot of
people that fear the thelaziness of something, you know.
Yeah, sure.
So, you know, are phones makingus lazy?
Do calculators make us lazy?
SPEAKER_04 (16:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:37):
Um, and you know, I th I think about the washing
machine machine.
Um, you know, just the otherday, you know, my my older
daughter and myself are are, youknow, getting some laundry done.
And I was explaining to her, youknow, this this would have taken
days in another time period.
And so, you know, you gotta goto the river, beat it on rocks,
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you know.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
Oh, there's that rock again.
SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
Or, you know, just the differences of of um
technologies when it came to awashing machine.
Did it really honestly make youlazy?
It's not doing all of thelaundry for you.
It's not a pickup service.
My machine is not gonna fold,unfortunately.
Um that's why I had children.
But the it's it's not gonna doall of the things.
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It's you still have to promptit, you still have to turn it,
you still have to make it work.
But it does allow some openingof time.
And so that is pretty much, Iguess, where we are in the the
understanding of AI as it istoday.
SPEAKER_04 (17:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (17:36):
And again, as it is today is important, is it is a a
saver of time.
You know, research, things likethat is extremely um has has,
you know, I call it Google andsteroids, it's just honed in
differently.
SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
So does I guess AI, um, if it's able to do a lot of
these repetitive, complex tasks,what does that mean for us?
Is that what you know?
SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
Opens us up for connecting, connecting
creativity.
SPEAKER_00 (18:07):
Creativity.
SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
Opens us up for um being able to manage.
unknown (18:12):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (18:12):
You know, the reason you have, you know, uh we're
we're very small business, so weare literally mom and pop, um,
and no employees, but if you arein a small business where you
need employees, it's the reasonyou hire employees to um have
that connectivity and also havethat passage of time, you know,
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that that you're able to getsome of the things that are the
bigger picture while youremployees doing the the task at
hand.
SPEAKER_03 (18:41):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
And so AI has um for us again as just mom and pop
been kind of like the task athand.
So um we still write copy.
SPEAKER_04 (18:50):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:51):
Uh we don't really rely a lot on AI because we're
um we're very rhetoric drivenand um study it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:58):
We're wordsmiths.
SPEAKER_02 (18:59):
Yeah, uh we we actually we love words so much,
right?
It's hard to give that to AI.
Um, and so we often still writeour own copy and things like
that.
But you know, when it comes toresearch and ideas, um, it's
really fun to kind of bouncethings off and get um maybe a
broader version of of theresearch than something that
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would take us hours to do.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
Right.
I mean, you could Google forseveral hours and try to copy
and paste, make notes and allthat, whereas AI can very
quickly look at several sourcesand kind of come up with a gist,
letting you know whether you'rein the right direction or not
without wasting that time.
Um yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (19:42):
Well, why don't we see what AI would say about um
the quote um as far as the twotypes of companies and then what
what it needs for the future,you know, or what it means for
the future.
SPEAKER_00 (19:56):
All right, let's see here.
Hopefully the connection workswell.
All right, you're back on ourpodcast.
Now, I am going to read you aquote.
I want your feedback on it.
Okay.
The quote is at the end of thisdecade, there will be two types
of companies, those that use AIand those that are out of
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business.
What are your thoughts on thisin the broader scope of what
we're talking about here?
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
It's all about finding out balance and using a
compliment to human skillsrather than a replacement.
SPEAKER_02 (20:58):
Compliment to human skills.
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
It heard you want to turn that off.
It was like, I'm glad you likeThank you, Dave.
All right, get back in your box.
Um Yeah, we don't need to paythat one.
Um, so that's always nice too.
Yeah, but the comp that's kindof like what you were saying
earlier when I when I was askingyou, uh, what does it mean if we
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use AI and it removes certainthings?
Like, what does that mean forus?
And I think you said likecreativity and connecting more
with people, so um which I meanI know that it's kind of ironic
too back in the 50s.
You're talking about the watchmachine, and when you're um
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talking about that, I kind ofwas thinking back to the
Jetsons.
But the Jetsons being we stilldon't have flying clouds.
I know that that's the thing.
And um I would say I don't sitat work and push buttons all
day, but I kind of do.
But it's it's a little like thenot Homer you know with the
button with the nuclear plant,but that'd be cool too.
Well, thank goodness you're not.
(22:04):
I know that no.
Um but so it's interesting too,because the Jetsons were also
glorifying this technologicalworld of where we could be.
But when you look at like the50s when a lot of products like
the washing machine, dishwasher,vacuum machine technology was
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being used to help us with tasksthat we had to do.
And the idea and the wheel wassold to us is you're gonna have
so much free time.
Well, look at the cell phone,the internet, the computer,
you're gonna have so much freetime.
Is anybody listening here havinga lot of free time?
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
You know?
Um, I mean, think about it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:46):
I mean, some people that I know spend a lot of time
doom scrolling, it's right, butfor the most part, it's it
really has added more, not less.
SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
So I guess when you look at what we're using our
time with, and you know, whiletechnology has allowed us the
ability to do more things, Ithink in our lifetime we were
expected to do a lot more.
I mean, it didn't feel like longago.
Our only computer was upstairs,hooked the dial up, we went
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upstairs, pushed a button,waited for it to boot, went
down, poured more coffee, cameback, logged on.
Well, once you log on, go backdown, go to the bath, and come
back, and just to check youremail to see if anyone sent you
anything, and it might have beena day or two.
Now it's like, hey, I need you.
Bang, right there.
And you know, I think there's alot to be said for how we
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mentally need to handle this,uh, what boundaries we need to
set in place and for ourfamilies and for ourselves.
SPEAKER_02 (23:50):
You said a good word, and it's balance.
SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_02 (23:53):
And so I think balance is um with any new
technology, it's gonna be thethe main operator, it's gonna be
the thing that really needs thefocus.
Um, you know, it's uh itactually when you were talking
about um and I believe thewashing machine was before the
50s, but um that's when as faras getting it a little more in
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the household, right?
Um, but you know, in that timeperiod, um television became
very new.
Um, and so there was always thatconcern, of course, with more
time are you spending too muchtime in front of the tube?
Um so by our generation, um,which our generation would be we
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keep hearing the term eldermillennial.
SPEAKER_00 (24:40):
I don't like that one.
Xenial is better.
Look it up, it makes more sense.
SPEAKER_02 (24:44):
But elder millennial oh, yeah.
Um, but anyway, so it's in ourtime period in the 80s, we we
got a little more nervous abouttoo much television because we
had seen it too often.
SPEAKER_04 (24:57):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (24:58):
And I think it's kind of become the same thing
with our uh kids' generation,where the earlier kids of the
the real millennial, right, um,and then the the next, I can't
always remember the but the nextgroup, uh Gen Zen Z, Gen A,
whatever.
Um, you know, being moreattached to the phone and then
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maybe learning that that thenegative parts of that.
SPEAKER_03 (25:22):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
So, and then finding the balance.
And I feel like our kids, um,our kids' generation, and the
kids that at least we know andare um more connected to have a
little more of that balancewhere they use it, they use the
tools.
Um, they have maybe many of themhave a time where they can be on
it.
SPEAKER_00 (25:40):
Sure, sure.
Um, that kind of thing, but theydon't um and we have older um
middle school age kids, so butalso uh unlike the TV in our
time, which is a one-waycommunication, it's talking to
you.
You can't really interact withit.
Whereas they can connect withtheir friends, have
conversations, um, you know,even study Spanish.
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Learn Spanish?
Yeah, I was gonna say French.
I couldn't do that with my TV,you know.
So it it it really isincredible.
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Uh keep up with the the grocery list and um yeah, we
do have a shared grocery list.
We have a shared chores list.
Um so we utilize some of thetools.
SPEAKER_03 (26:18):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (26:19):
And so um putting that on the kids' phone.
Yeah, and so then they can seewhat we've you know put in place
and that kind of thing.
Um obviously we talk to them,but you know right.
It's just something, it's avisual, yeah, uh visual guide,
if you will.
SPEAKER_04 (26:33):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
Um but it is again seeking that balance.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Uh the balance of is this that's the key word of this
podcast balance.
SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
Right.
If if the cell phone is is justas easy to doom scroll, yes,
then yes, that's that's not agood thing.
So that's the negative side.
Um I think with AI, it's uh yes,there's going to be negative to
that.
SPEAKER_04 (26:56):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (26:57):
Um, maybe not 2001 Space Odyssey negative, but it's
it's definitely gonna be um, youknow, certain things that we're
maybe we're over relying.
SPEAKER_04 (27:06):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
You know, it's not your it's not the the thing
that's supposed to write yourterm paper.
SPEAKER_03 (27:11):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
Um because then you don't learn anything.
SPEAKER_03 (27:13):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (27:13):
Um it shouldn't be making diagnoses.
Um a, you know, that's the wholeverification.
You need that that doctor to sitthere and read it.
Right.
Right.
We can't take AI to court, soyou know, you're if you're the
one signing off, it's it's onyou.
SPEAKER_03 (27:30):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
Um, that kind of thing.
So it's learning that balance, Ithink, and seeing that is it is
a tool and just that.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Yeah, I think so too.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
It's it's about the same as a rock.
SPEAKER_00 (27:42):
Yep.
Yep.
All right.
Well, I think we've touched on alot here, and again, we want to
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Yeah, it is.
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All right.
And welcome again to WiredTogether with your host Jason
and Melanie Winter.
And today is a special day thatwe decided to celebrate, being
what we are talking about in ourpodcast.
So it is AI Appreciation Day.
SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Yay!
SPEAKER_02 (00:23):
So we've decided to ask AI what it thinks of that.
SPEAKER_00 (00:27):
Yeah, do you think AI knows about it?
Let's see.
All right.
If you ask it, it doesn't.
If you ask it, oh, okay.
Alright, you're right.
Let's see.
Asking him right now.
Today we're doing our podcast,and we just realized it's AI
Appreciation Day.
We want to ask you, what do youthink of that?
SPEAKER_01 (00:51):
Oh, that sounds like such a fun idea.
I'm definitely flattered.
Uh, it's great to have a day tocelebrate all the ways AI can
help out and make life a biteasier.
Um, I'm curious to know howyou're celebrating it on the
podcast today.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
Well, we'll bring you in a little bit later, too.
We have some questions for you,but we're gonna move forward
with some other content, so hangtight.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Sound sounds like a plan.
I'll be here whenever you'reready to bring me back in.
Uh, have fun with the rest ofyour content, and uh I'll look
forward to the QA segment lateron.
SPEAKER_00 (01:24):
He likes to talk a lot.
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
So So what we were talking about as far as um what
we wanted to get into is ofcourse the movement of AI as it
goes forward through um as a newtechnology.
What does that mean?
Um, and what we we need to becautious about and look forward
to.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, we've had a lot of
technologies come through.
We've had the the cell phone,which you know, of course, had
its start with buttons that youwould press to try to text,
which is really hard to describeto um like our kids who are used
to a full keyboard, and we woulddescribe yeah, so you would have
(02:08):
to you know press this one fourtimes, press this one twice, you
know, and it's and playing Snakewas cool, but anyway, and I will
say that these some of thesephones were indestructible.
Uh any of you Nokia users mightknow that.
But the cell phone has certainlyopened up a lot of what you know
we were not able to do before.
(02:29):
Right.
It connected us in a lot ofways.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
Changed our reality completely.
SPEAKER_00 (02:35):
Yeah, I mean and I know people joke about people
being on them all the time, butit does connect you with the
world.
I mean, I think you need toachieve a good balance, but
there are people that are ableto work remotely, stay in
contact with colleagues andtheir boss.
Um, and you know, texting is oneof the um things that changed,
(03:01):
you know, and allowed for beingable to communicate, because as
you know, I'm sure there aretimes where it's easier to text
somebody something real quick asopposed to a commitment of a
phone call.
But of course, a phone call isalways better for more intimate
conversation.
SPEAKER_02 (03:20):
And yeah, it was always feared.
Um, it's still feared a lot tothis day.
Um, when do you give your childthe cell phone, which is really
parent by parent?
I don't really think that thatis something that we we're not
gonna get into that, I will tellyou that, because it really is
based on your relationship withthe child and your your
understanding of where thatchild is um in their maturity,
(03:45):
right?
Um and so, but it is it's aconstant conversation, and then
where where does it belong,where does it not belong?
Um, and that is one of thosenewer technologies that we're
talking about that kind of hasgone along the same path as AI,
where it was introduced, uhadded a lot of freedom to
(04:05):
people.
Um, I know for from my personalexperience with having a funeral
directors in the family that thecell phone allowed for a lot of
freedom.
You're not tied to a wired phonetied to the house or the funeral
home.
You actually get to to movearound and um you can still
answer the phone and walk awaywhen it's you know, and answer
(04:29):
the phone and and be there andpresent for that that caller.
That's extremely important.
And so it did allow for um a lotof small business and and you
know, I'm sure large business,but our our main focus is always
small business.
Um but it allows for smallbusiness to be able to uh do a
lot of work and um in timeswhere maybe it's not your nine
(04:53):
to five.
Right, you know, tie down bywhich again has its problems,
has its caveats, but it also hasits um its rewards, its
freedoms.
SPEAKER_00 (05:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (05:03):
And so it moved into slowly into reality, and then it
kind of just is reality.
SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Yeah, it's just you know, try to not have one now.
SPEAKER_02 (05:13):
And I think that's what we're talking about
oftentimes with AI is it's it'shere, it is going to continue,
um, and it is something thatneeds to have absolutely have
caution for, but alsounderstanding of and and allow
um allow yourself to get to knowit.
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
Right.
And I mean fear is a naturalreaction, like you're saying, to
any new technology, and youknow, that that is important for
sure.
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
Absolutely.
I mean it in 1450 the Gutenbergpress was um feared.
It was thought to be of thedevil.
It was thought that um a lot ofnegative could come from from
technology that took away fromthe describing of of books right
because they handed it before.
SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (06:00):
Right.
And so was this gonna be a badthing?
Was this gonna really destroypeople?
And um turns out it's of coursethe the biggest technology, it's
considered the the most umimportant technology of our era.
Um era, but you know, it's it'sbeen quite some time, and of
(06:20):
course we're all very used to itnow, reading books, and um now
we print things for ourselves,and so it but it's wonderful um
the way it changed.
But yes, there was a lot of thbad things out there.
Yeah, you know, of course,nothing that not everything that
gets printed is a good thing.
SPEAKER_00 (06:39):
Sure, and just like any technology, there are good
things about it, but also a lotof it can be used for bad
reasons too.
SPEAKER_02 (06:49):
Um a lot of times what we talk about, uh we
explain to our children oftenwhen it comes to technology is
um the rock was considered moreor less uh something you use as
your first tool.
That is um how we created axesand and smashed um you know,
(07:10):
nuts and fruits.
Oh, yeah.
Um it was important to to uh forhumanity to utilize the rock,
and of course it also the rockbecame the first murder weapon.
So first tool, yeah, also firstmurder weapon.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
I guess it wasn't a rock-free zone.
SPEAKER_02 (07:27):
And so that's kind of where we see technology.
It it is a tool, yeah, it isabsolutely capable of being used
as a weapon, yeah.
Uh just like pretty mucheverything.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
Right.
And if you see technology as atool and thinking of you using
it and controlling it, and thatfine line between not allowing
the technology to control you,that's everyone's personal
balance and figuring out whatworks for them, what they're
comfortable with.
And right.
SPEAKER_02 (07:58):
And our our platform is get to know, you know, learn
the technology.
Um, it's learning you, you mightas well pay it back the favor
and learn it.
SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
Right.
Do we want to ask AI what itthinks about any of these
emerging technologies?
Let's bring bring it back.
Let's bring them back in.
There you go.
All right.
Give it a second here.
All right.
So I told you I'd bring you backin.
We we were talking about a lotof emerging technologies that
we've experienced, everythingfrom the printing press, cell
(08:29):
phones, um, and looking at AI.
What what do you think about allof this?
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
I think it's really complicated.
Evolved over the country.
Um like the component over thecomponent or opening up the
possibility or technicaldifficulties or so and research.
(09:06):
It sounds like you might havehad a little hiccup with the
connection, but I'm glad you'reback.
Uh let me know if there'sanything else you'd like to chat
about or if you want to continueour conversation.
SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
All right, we'll bring in later.
Yeah, it shows that not even theemerging technology has its
issues, and um uh one thing I'venoticed too is with a lot of
rain, for some reason, you know,we do computer repair and things
like that.
Anytime we experience a lot ofrain, people have a lot of
(09:34):
issues that can be the mostrandom thing in the world
technologically.
So something about water andcomputers, I mean, definitely
don't put water on yourcomputer, but there is a
relationship.
I can't fix that.
I'll I'll tell you that rightnow.
But yeah, so alright.
SPEAKER_02 (09:54):
So most for the most part, I guess it was just plain
agreeing with us.
SPEAKER_00 (09:57):
Yeah, it seemed to be for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (10:00):
Um and that's fine.
We cutting the AI off, it's it'snot the connection, and that's
the thing, it's not it's not thehuman interaction, it is not the
connection.
No, and so um that's somethingthat we discuss on a regular,
um, especially with with thefamily.
SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
Um so we did, you know, um have some people that
talked about our last podcast,and so um did a little bit of uh
research on that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
Yeah, we uh found an article from uh Forbes and on
July 9th is when it waspublished, so that was roughly a
week ago, and it was titled HowAI is transforming dentistry
from diagnosis to payment.
And of course, we're not gonnasit here and have a whole um
spiel about this necessarilybecause you know we're trying to
(10:55):
touch on other topics, but fromthis article there was one quote
that I wanted to um highlight,and it said at the end of this
decade, there will be two typesof companies, those that use AI
and those that are out ofbusiness.
And again, a lot of people fearAI, they fear what does this
(11:19):
mean for my job if computers cando things.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
Um I think most people are thinking the the howl
scenario, yeah, 2001 SpaceOdyssey.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:31):
Well, we've been trained to fear this with
Terminator and I mean don't dothat, Dave.
Yeah, don't I wouldn't do that,Dave.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:38):
And I think that that's um perfectly okay to
again have a healthy fear.
It's often um, you know,something we talk about also.
Um snakes are awesome, awesomecreatures.
In fact, they're great to have.
Um we live very much in thecountry.
(12:01):
Um, we are in an agriculturalarea, um, and you know, so lots
of animals, uh especiallysnakes.
And you know, that they arewonderful because they are are
part of the ecosystem.
They they keep certain rodentsand things like that out of the
if you have a snake nearbythat's helpful for the you know,
(12:21):
keeping the mice out of thehouse.
Right, right.
And so obviously you don't livewith them, but you know, you
move them away.
Right.
But there are poisonous snakes,so there is that negative, and
so we we have a tendency to fearall snakes.
We do instead of just fearingthe snakes that are harmful, and
so we will really hurt ourselvesmore than we actually often hurt
(12:46):
by the snake.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
No, that is that is so very true.
And you know, uh in the southhere, how do you how do you not
have a everyone has a snakestory?
SPEAKER_02 (12:56):
Oh, I love snake stories, and then snake stories.
Once you start, you know, oh mygosh, we've got like an hour now
of snake stories back and forth.
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
Well, everyone wants to share theirs, right?
It's like do we have time tostart snake stories?
Definitely not on this podcast,not on this podcast.
That's for sure.
No, oh gosh, I so bad when Itell a couple, but um, can't do
that.
But um, and and and that wholething about that with AI, it
(13:24):
really comes down to using it asa tool, just like when computers
and then the internet cameabout.
We had to learn how to use thesethings, and they all of a sudden
showed up at our desks and ourbusinesses.
Um, the goal was to make thingsmore efficient.
Were the people that lost theirjob, maybe, but at the same
(13:44):
time, it created a lot ofopportunity, and it the pace of
life certainly got um a lotfaster in what we were able to
do.
So, yes, there is a level ofcompetition.
I mean, AI is here to stay.
Um if we don't use it, otherswill.
And you know, I I've I've heardhow you know some people have
(14:09):
said as far as like their job,you know, well, will it take my
job?
Well, if your colleague,unfortunately, if they can learn
how to use it and leverage it asa tool better than you, then
from a performance level, yes,your colleague may take your
job.
SPEAKER_02 (14:25):
Not the AI, not the AI.
SPEAKER_00 (14:27):
And that was the same with computers.
That was the ability to use theinternet for research, and the
more comfort you're able to havewith these things, really um
again, it's a tool.
And it's not going to just dothings for you.
You need to be able to prompt itand still have an idea of what
(14:49):
you want the goal to be.
Um, I've read some articleswhere they compare it to the AI
being like your employee, youremployee, and you are the
manager.
So you're not going to ask youremployee to do something unless
whatever report, whateverresearch, whatever project,
unless you kind of have an ideaof what the goal should be.
SPEAKER_02 (15:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
And how to guide them, you know.
And I mean, you ask theemployee, hey, look, we need we
got this project, we need to dothis, and create this tool and
software program.
Well, what do you want it to do?
Oh, well, good question.
Well, I kind of wanted to dothis, and you end up in a
conversation back and forth.
Well, here here, boss, look atthis.
Uh yeah, it's good, but I'mactually thinking it should look
more like this.
So that collaboration is thesame approach you take in
writing a prompt with AI.
(15:34):
And when you get a result, youtry to hone it.
So it's it does come with someexperience in using it, but
again, it's not just going to dosomething for you.
Um, it can make research andproducing things a lot quicker.
And uh, it's an interesting timeto be alive, and we certainly
(15:57):
wanted to have this as a topicbecause the fear does make
sense, and we're not saying, youknow, oh, this is crazy,
everyone should use it, and youknow, you should just adapt to
it.
I mean, uh it it it does come,there is a learning curve, and
it's here, and we're not reallysure what that means.
SPEAKER_02 (16:15):
And you know, learning it is important, and
and again, having a fear of itaffecting your mentality, having
a fear of overuse, having a fearof um I know there's a lot of
people that fear the thelaziness of something, you know.
Yeah, sure.
So, you know, are phones makingus lazy?
Do calculators make us lazy?
SPEAKER_04 (16:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:37):
Um, and you know, I th I think about the washing
machine machine.
Um, you know, just the otherday, you know, my my older
daughter and myself are are, youknow, getting some laundry done.
And I was explaining to her, youknow, this this would have taken
days in another time period.
And so, you know, you gotta goto the river, beat it on rocks,
(16:58):
you know.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
Oh, there's that rock again.
SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
Or, you know, just the differences of of um
technologies when it came to awashing machine.
Did it really honestly make youlazy?
It's not doing all of thelaundry for you.
It's not a pickup service.
My machine is not gonna fold,unfortunately.
Um that's why I had children.
But the it's it's not gonna doall of the things.
(17:22):
It's you still have to promptit, you still have to turn it,
you still have to make it work.
But it does allow some openingof time.
And so that is pretty much, Iguess, where we are in the the
understanding of AI as it istoday.
SPEAKER_04 (17:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (17:36):
And again, as it is today is important, is it is a a
saver of time.
You know, research, things likethat is extremely um has has,
you know, I call it Google andsteroids, it's just honed in
differently.
SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
So does I guess AI, um, if it's able to do a lot of
these repetitive, complex tasks,what does that mean for us?
Is that what you know?
SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
Opens us up for connecting, connecting
creativity.
SPEAKER_00 (18:07):
Creativity.
SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
Opens us up for um being able to manage.
unknown (18:12):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (18:12):
You know, the reason you have, you know, uh we're
we're very small business, so weare literally mom and pop, um,
and no employees, but if you arein a small business where you
need employees, it's the reasonyou hire employees to um have
that connectivity and also havethat passage of time, you know,
(18:33):
that that you're able to getsome of the things that are the
bigger picture while youremployees doing the the task at
hand.
SPEAKER_03 (18:41):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
And so AI has um for us again as just mom and pop
been kind of like the task athand.
So um we still write copy.
SPEAKER_04 (18:50):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:51):
Uh we don't really rely a lot on AI because we're
um we're very rhetoric drivenand um study it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:58):
We're wordsmiths.
SPEAKER_02 (18:59):
Yeah, uh we we actually we love words so much,
right?
It's hard to give that to AI.
Um, and so we often still writeour own copy and things like
that.
But you know, when it comes toresearch and ideas, um, it's
really fun to kind of bouncethings off and get um maybe a
broader version of of theresearch than something that
(19:21):
would take us hours to do.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
Right.
I mean, you could Google forseveral hours and try to copy
and paste, make notes and allthat, whereas AI can very
quickly look at several sourcesand kind of come up with a gist,
letting you know whether you'rein the right direction or not
without wasting that time.
Um yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (19:42):
Well, why don't we see what AI would say about um
the quote um as far as the twotypes of companies and then what
what it needs for the future,you know, or what it means for
the future.
SPEAKER_00 (19:56):
All right, let's see here.
Hopefully the connection workswell.
All right, you're back on ourpodcast.
Now, I am going to read you aquote.
I want your feedback on it.
Okay.
The quote is at the end of thisdecade, there will be two types
of companies, those that use AIand those that are out of
(20:19):
business.
What are your thoughts on thisin the broader scope of what
we're talking about here?
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
It's all about finding out balance and using a
compliment to human skillsrather than a replacement.
SPEAKER_02 (20:58):
Compliment to human skills.
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
It heard you want to turn that off.
It was like, I'm glad you likeThank you, Dave.
All right, get back in your box.
Um Yeah, we don't need to paythat one.
Um, so that's always nice too.
Yeah, but the comp that's kindof like what you were saying
earlier when I when I was askingyou, uh, what does it mean if we
(21:23):
use AI and it removes certainthings?
Like, what does that mean forus?
And I think you said likecreativity and connecting more
with people, so um which I meanI know that it's kind of ironic
too back in the 50s.
You're talking about the watchmachine, and when you're um
(21:44):
talking about that, I kind ofwas thinking back to the
Jetsons.
But the Jetsons being we stilldon't have flying clouds.
I know that that's the thing.
And um I would say I don't sitat work and push buttons all
day, but I kind of do.
But it's it's a little like thenot Homer you know with the
button with the nuclear plant,but that'd be cool too.
Well, thank goodness you're not.
(22:04):
I know that no.
Um but so it's interesting too,because the Jetsons were also
glorifying this technologicalworld of where we could be.
But when you look at like the50s when a lot of products like
the washing machine, dishwasher,vacuum machine technology was
(22:24):
being used to help us with tasksthat we had to do.
And the idea and the wheel wassold to us is you're gonna have
so much free time.
Well, look at the cell phone,the internet, the computer,
you're gonna have so much freetime.
Is anybody listening here havinga lot of free time?
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
You know?
Um, I mean, think about it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:46):
I mean, some people that I know spend a lot of time
doom scrolling, it's right, butfor the most part, it's it
really has added more, not less.
SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
So I guess when you look at what we're using our
time with, and you know, whiletechnology has allowed us the
ability to do more things, Ithink in our lifetime we were
expected to do a lot more.
I mean, it didn't feel like longago.
Our only computer was upstairs,hooked the dial up, we went
(23:18):
upstairs, pushed a button,waited for it to boot, went
down, poured more coffee, cameback, logged on.
Well, once you log on, go backdown, go to the bath, and come
back, and just to check youremail to see if anyone sent you
anything, and it might have beena day or two.
Now it's like, hey, I need you.
Bang, right there.
And you know, I think there's alot to be said for how we
(23:41):
mentally need to handle this,uh, what boundaries we need to
set in place and for ourfamilies and for ourselves.
SPEAKER_02 (23:50):
You said a good word, and it's balance.
SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_02 (23:53):
And so I think balance is um with any new
technology, it's gonna be thethe main operator, it's gonna be
the thing that really needs thefocus.
Um, you know, it's uh itactually when you were talking
about um and I believe thewashing machine was before the
50s, but um that's when as faras getting it a little more in
(24:16):
the household, right?
Um, but you know, in that timeperiod, um television became
very new.
Um, and so there was always thatconcern, of course, with more
time are you spending too muchtime in front of the tube?
Um so by our generation, um,which our generation would be we
(24:38):
keep hearing the term eldermillennial.
SPEAKER_00 (24:40):
I don't like that one.
Xenial is better.
Look it up, it makes more sense.
SPEAKER_02 (24:44):
But elder millennial oh, yeah.
Um, but anyway, so it's in ourtime period in the 80s, we we
got a little more nervous abouttoo much television because we
had seen it too often.
SPEAKER_04 (24:57):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (24:58):
And I think it's kind of become the same thing
with our uh kids' generation,where the earlier kids of the
the real millennial, right, um,and then the the next, I can't
always remember the but the nextgroup, uh Gen Zen Z, Gen A,
whatever.
Um, you know, being moreattached to the phone and then
(25:19):
maybe learning that that thenegative parts of that.
SPEAKER_03 (25:22):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
So, and then finding the balance.
And I feel like our kids, um,our kids' generation, and the
kids that at least we know andare um more connected to have a
little more of that balancewhere they use it, they use the
tools.
Um, they have maybe many of themhave a time where they can be on
it.
SPEAKER_00 (25:40):
Sure, sure.
Um, that kind of thing, but theydon't um and we have older um
middle school age kids, so butalso uh unlike the TV in our
time, which is a one-waycommunication, it's talking to
you.
You can't really interact withit.
Whereas they can connect withtheir friends, have
conversations, um, you know,even study Spanish.
(26:02):
Learn Spanish?
Yeah, I was gonna say French.
I couldn't do that with my TV,you know.
So it it it really isincredible.
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Uh keep up with the the grocery list and um yeah, we
do have a shared grocery list.
We have a shared chores list.
Um so we utilize some of thetools.
SPEAKER_03 (26:18):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (26:19):
And so um putting that on the kids' phone.
Yeah, and so then they can seewhat we've you know put in place
and that kind of thing.
Um obviously we talk to them,but you know right.
It's just something, it's avisual, yeah, uh visual guide,
if you will.
SPEAKER_04 (26:33):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
Um but it is again seeking that balance.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Uh the balance of is this that's the key word of this
podcast balance.
SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
Right.
If if the cell phone is is justas easy to doom scroll, yes,
then yes, that's that's not agood thing.
So that's the negative side.
Um I think with AI, it's uh yes,there's going to be negative to
that.
SPEAKER_04 (26:56):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (26:57):
Um, maybe not 2001 Space Odyssey negative, but it's
it's definitely gonna be um, youknow, certain things that we're
maybe we're over relying.
SPEAKER_04 (27:06):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
You know, it's not your it's not the the thing
that's supposed to write yourterm paper.
SPEAKER_03 (27:11):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
Um because then you don't learn anything.
SPEAKER_03 (27:13):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (27:13):
Um it shouldn't be making diagnoses.
Um a, you know, that's the wholeverification.
You need that that doctor to sitthere and read it.
Right.
Right.
We can't take AI to court, soyou know, you're if you're the
one signing off, it's it's onyou.
SPEAKER_03 (27:30):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
Um, that kind of thing.
So it's learning that balance, Ithink, and seeing that is it is
a tool and just that.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Yeah, I think so too.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
It's it's about the same as a rock.
SPEAKER_00 (27:42):
Yep.
Yep.
All right.
Well, I think we've touched on alot here, and again, we want to
thank our listeners.
Uh we'll be speaking of signingoff.
I think we'll be signing offhere in just a little bit.
You can you can find us oniHeartRadio, on Apple Podcasts,
even YouTube, and you know, youcan pull us up on the smart TV
(28:06):
as well, and you do a search.
Spotify, uh, even ask yourAlexa, that really freaked us
out the other day.
SPEAKER_02 (28:13):
And um so it is terrifying to see yourself.
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
It's like, and you look it up, who is that?
And it's like, all right, heyAlexa, go ahead and pull up the
wired together podcast, and allof a sudden your picture's
there, and you're like, ah,you're not supposed to do this.
But anyway, um, we've also putit on our website, uh,
winternetweb.com, and you can goto podcasts there and see the
episodes, and we just want tothank you for your support and
(28:42):
our feedback.
So, with that said, unpluggingfor now.
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