September 30, 2025 • 44 mins
This Halloween, we’re connecting the dots between spooky sidewalks and the digital world. Just like trick-or-treating, exploring online spaces requires trust, awareness, and a plan for staying safe. In this episode, we talk about checking the “candy” your kids bring home and the apps they use, trusting your gut when something feels off, and setting healthy boundaries for technology.
And because no Halloween is complete without a little fun, we’re playing our new game: Tech Never Have I Ever—sharing the quirks, fails, and relatable moments every computer user has faced. Grab your coffee, pull up a chair, and laugh (and learn) along with us.
Enjoy our 13th (ooooo) Episode!
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SPEAKER_02 (00:06):
All right, welcome to Wired Together.
And this is our big episode 13.
SPEAKER_01 (00:12):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
Um Lucky 13?
SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
Yep.
Is it is it trixode phobia,something like that, the fear of
thirteen.
SPEAKER_02 (00:20):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (00:21):
I mean, I'm that afraid of that word, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:24):
I tend to like the the number 13.
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
I always have, and it was funny because we I
remember us talking about thatwhen we met.
A lot of people have a fear orthey don't, and you know, it's
just I I always felt like onlike Friday the 13th or
whatever, it always tends to bea positive day for me, not
negative.
SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
Seems kind of light.
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
But maybe it's because I think it's going to
be, then the mindset, you know,makes it happen.
But anyway.
SPEAKER_02 (00:46):
So speaking of light and fun, we're gonna do a
trick-or-treat tech tips.
So trick-or-treating, what doesthat have to do with tech?
Absolutely nothing.
But we are we're making aparallel here.
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
I hope you enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
And it is going to be um so talking about something
scary, but in a light way.
So that's um kind of where we'regonna go with that one.
Uh so it this again is our 13thepisode.
Yep, yep.
So thank you so much forlistening for 13 times.
Or or if you have, or if youhaven't, binge watch, binge
(01:23):
listen.
SPEAKER_01 (01:23):
Yeah, you got 12 others, so go in.
SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
Um so with uh it's gonna be October tomorrow, so
with the holiday uh Halloweenseason kind of starting, we're
gonna have a bit of a a spookyseries.
So there's a lot of tech thingsthat are spooky.
SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
Yeah, spooky, spooky feeling.
Unpredictable, you know, maybemaybe bothers you, not sure what
to do with it.
So I think this series omnis.
Yeah.
I think the series will addressa lot of things that we have
seen and also people have askedabout, so that's uh that's the
name of the game, but we'regearing it up now with uh
(02:02):
something Melanie put together,which I think is incredible.
The correlation using thetrick-or-treat Halloween, if you
will, scene and how we preparekids for a holiday that you
dress them up in clothing, yousend them out in the dark with
cars and go to strangers'houses.
We prepare them for that, butare we equally preparing them
(02:26):
for the world of technology?
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (02:28):
Well, let's start off with some fun music.
SPEAKER_01 (02:31):
Alright.
I guess it kind of sets themood.
SPEAKER_02 (02:42):
Setting the mood for our spooky side of technology.
SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
I like that.
SPEAKER_02 (02:46):
Um so what we're talking about is, you know,
getting the kids prepared for umthe spooky of technology, and
more or less, as we know, andnot just getting kids ready,
getting ourselves ready.
SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
So yeah, that too.
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
Um so starting off with uh kind of a waiting till
they're mature enough maybemight mean they're never mature
enough.
So we've got to kind of get themgoing, um, you know, as far as
understanding something.
Um I I had a a faux uncle.
(03:23):
Those are what they are is afake uncle, it's who who said
one time that um, you know,children should never go to a
restaurant until they're 12years old.
Um my mother's quick retort wasif if you have a 12-year-old at
a restaurant that had never beenthere before, they will have no
(03:43):
idea what to do.
SPEAKER_01 (03:44):
Yeah, I mean that's a good point.
SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
So this is kind of what we're like how we think of
this um whole jumping intotechnology instead of jumping
more of a work our way intotechnology.
SPEAKER_01 (03:55):
Right.
And kind of showing the ropes,you know.
I mean, as adults, you know,helping them along in
understanding, you know, notjust being afraid of it.
SPEAKER_02 (04:03):
Right, right.
So it's not an are you afraid ofthe dark, it's are you prepared
for the dark.
SPEAKER_01 (04:09):
Right.
Here's a flashlight, here's howto change your batteries, here's
what I taught you.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (04:13):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
Yeah, so alright, so what we're going to go into,
man.
SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
Uh so uh like your check your candy.
That was big in the 90s backwhen we were Oh Lord, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
The razor blades and candy.
Oh, I know.
SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
Everything's gonna be awful in your candy.
SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
Oh yeah, they're gonna poison you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:32):
So, in that whole concept of check your candy,
check your kids, you know, asfar as if they are actually
online and they have accountsfor anything, uh make sure you
have access.
Yeah.
So it's not just their access,it's your access.
It's your phone.
So or it's your device.
SPEAKER_01 (04:52):
There are a lot of apps, and not one app is gonna
cover every everything.
And actually, I wouldn't suggestone that kind of takes over
their entire phone fortechnically.
We did have one that was.
Yeah, for technological reasonsI'm not gonna get into, but um
it it it involves like anunderlying VPN.
(05:13):
I guess I am talking about it,but no, I'm not gonna go into
the detail I was thinking about.
Um it can actually create moreof a glitchy environment than
it's actually helping.
And um, and of course, there areother platforms that might be
performing better, but uh reallyit's not the app isn't going to
fix it.
It's more of the I guess theeducation and the understanding
(05:37):
that hey look, you know, youhave this device, but it does
come with responsibility, youknow, um having that dialogue.
SPEAKER_02 (05:45):
Uh because more than swooping in, sometimes you just
need to blame look.
SPEAKER_01 (05:49):
You do.
You yeah, you definitely do.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Make sure there's nothing poisonous.
Right.
Sometimes you have to check umspecific things within the the
any device and make sure therethere is no poison.
SPEAKER_03 (06:03):
So that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (06:04):
Um and you know, that's that uh relationship
there where you okay, it you canhave it, but I'm gonna look at
it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
Right, exactly.
And um so they're able to use adevice, but you know, but of
course you're monitoring it justlike the candy.
And I know when my kids comeback from Halloween, and you
know, I glance, you know, scooparound in a bowl when I look
around.
SPEAKER_02 (06:29):
Oh yeah, you're definitely looking for some
Reese's.
SPEAKER_01 (06:32):
I mean, I don't know, but I always end up with
everything with almonds andcoconut.
SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
I don't get anything cold.
SPEAKER_01 (06:40):
I think that might be a pinhole, baby.
Or definitely a rip.
See right here.
Hold on.
See right here.
That's definitely a rip in thatReese's peanut butter cup.
You can't have that, baby.
I want you to be safe.
Yeah, I I rack up good.
SPEAKER_02 (06:56):
But and you know, we go into, you know, you're you're
teaching them certain thingslike uh talking to strangers.
And and no, in small areas likewhere we live, they're not
always strangers, but they'restrangers to the kid.
Sometimes you know people thatthey don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (07:16):
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (07:18):
And so, you know, we we do want to make sure that
they don't um, you know, thatthey know that we, you know,
don't want to go into or go buya house that's that's a
stranger's house or somethinglike that.
So we're able to do that alittle differently here in the
small community um wheretrick-or-treating is some the
something you drive to.
SPEAKER_01 (07:39):
Right.
Yeah, we drive there and weusually hit up people we know.
SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
Hey, what you doing or whatever, and you talk on
their porch for a little bit,then you to trick or treat in in
in our particular neighborhoodis two houses and one of them is
pretty much ours now.
SPEAKER_01 (07:54):
Right, it was.
No, I know.
But it and I guess w in the samevein, um w with the kids, you
know, now at the age of havingphones and things like that, and
um we've kind of kind of made itclear that okay, this is an
extension of resocialization,and with that, if you don't know
(08:17):
that person in real life, youknow then you don't know that
person.
Then you don't know that.
Then you they shouldn't betexting you, they shouldn't be
calling you, and vice versa.
SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
And any kind of game where it's the in a larger you
know, feed they're very strictabout no talking to anybody that
you don't know in real life.
Right.
And I mean it's because youknow, and and letting them know,
look.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
There are people that are might try to do that.
SPEAKER_02 (08:44):
That's an actual, you know, nine-year-old girl or
if that's a 40-year-old man.
Yeah.
You know, that's exactly youneed to to receive a caution.
SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
But exactly like that because they go.
SPEAKER_02 (08:54):
Just have that strict rule for yourself.
If you don't know them, youdon't talk to them.
SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
Exactly.
Yep, that is certainly animportant concept.
And uh kind of went with ourtheme.
SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
And yeah, it's that kind of trust your gut.
SPEAKER_01 (09:11):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02 (09:11):
Sometimes you have to, you know, trust that that if
something seems scary, it isscary.
SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:19):
Come to me.
SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Um, that's what online is about.
It's, you know, not being notmaking them terrified, but
making you can do this, but youknow, there are things to watch
for.
Right.
There are things that are scaryout there.
SPEAKER_01 (09:33):
Keep your intuition high, and if you experience the
spooky feelings, if you will,going with the Halloween theme,
then it's uh something worthhaving a conversation about.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
And letting them know I'm your Huckleberry.
If you want, if you needsomebody, come to me.
I will, I will definitely jumpin there.
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
Oh yeah, I'm your Huckleberry.
I like that.
Yeah.
Good reference.
SPEAKER_02 (10:02):
And going into intuition, you know, we do teach
our children um when it comes totechnology, again, if it doesn't
feel right, it's not.
Your intuition, your your yourgut feeling, if you will, is
kind of your smoke alarm.
You do need to kind of go aheadand pay attention to that.
SPEAKER_03 (10:18):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
And and listen to that visceral response because
that is something that we allhave, and we need to be um, you
know, intuitive about it.
We need to pay attention to itand and walk away.
SPEAKER_01 (10:32):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (10:33):
And so, you know, when we we uh intro introduce
them into say neighborhoodwalking and things like that.
And then, you know, if you thinkabout it, Halloween's a bit of a
uh it is a scary holiday, andthat's the whole point.
Right, yeah, but it's also ascary holiday, you know.
There's a lot of things thatcould be, you know, negative
about uh definitely a bunch ofchildren in the dark.
(10:56):
So that's the whole concept ofif you don't think it's okay,
it's not.
SPEAKER_01 (11:01):
Right, you know, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (11:04):
And the same thing with online.
SPEAKER_01 (11:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:06):
If you don't feel okay, then that there's
something with that.
Go for it.
SPEAKER_01 (11:11):
And I mean every technology can have its, you
know, uses that are not, youknow, um, I guess a good way of
using that technology for good.
SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
Um if you can use it for good, you can use it for
bad.
SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
Exactly.
And I was just thinking backhere, like I remember when the
web came about, and of coursewhen it first came about, and
you know, the connectivitybetween college campuses that
evolved from there.
When the World Wide Web cameabout, we all were you had chat
rooms, you had um informationthat was put out there, but then
it was kind of like the oh youdon't know if this is actually
(11:48):
accurate or not.
And then um we were thinking theweb was just a fad.
And then there was a lot ofnarrative saying that it was
just a lot of negativity outthere there, you know, with the
postings and um so it it wastaking a negative turn, but
again, it evolves from that.
You're always gonna have thegood with the bad.
(12:08):
And I you know, I I don't carewhat it is.
So being proactive andunderstanding that yes, you will
face things.
You need to use your gut, likeyou said, and um just keep an
open conversation.
Don't just say, Oh, because thatexists, don't use it at all.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_02 (12:26):
If you fear it, you may not be as cognizant to learn
it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:31):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (12:32):
Because then you're gonna just put it aside and and
not learn.
SPEAKER_01 (12:36):
I mean, a a knife will cut you, but do I not let
my child cut up a green pepperto help me cook?
I think it's a very importantexperience.
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
Right, right.
Actually, they're very good atknife usage.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
But it's because we didn't say no, you can't use a
knife because it'll cut you.
You gotta, you know, you have tolet me train you.
Let me show you how to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (12:53):
Because it will cut you.
SPEAKER_01 (12:54):
And and and and it and it will and it has.
And it's like, okay, well, yousee, you cut towards you, do try
this.
Okay, good.
And that's how you grow.
SPEAKER_02 (13:05):
And so that kind of goes into probably the next
section of this is hilarious.
It used the term of um thesomehow we put in modeling
behavior.
Yeah.
Um, that is so teacher-y.
Yeah, that was so teachery.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
That was probably a joke.
SPEAKER_02 (13:23):
But so true, actually.
Um, that's how we teach.
Yeah.
That's how we teach children,you know, when we okay, here is
how you talk to people.
Here is how you go up and knockon a door and say tricketry.
You know, you treat, you know,you got your little
three-year-old and holding yourhand.
SPEAKER_03 (13:42):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (13:42):
And and, you know, encourage them to say, say
tricketry.
Right.
Tricketry, you know, and and sothey're they start to model you.
So exactly.
Same is true online, they model.
So if you are, you know, umnervous about what's online or
you are not appropriately usingthat, they're gonna pay
(14:05):
attention to that too.
So um a lot of times when we areum, you know, we try our best.
Uh we have a rule of of nophones at the supper table.
SPEAKER_03 (14:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:17):
Um, unfortunately, we also own a business.
SPEAKER_01 (14:20):
So it does um wh why is Deity stepping away?
Right.
So it's like a call and theclient's uh gotta be able to do
that.
SPEAKER_02 (14:28):
Yes, there's no phones at the supper table, but
there is there's no way we'regonna let a client just suffer.
So um there are reasons to notdo that.
So um a lot of times I will bequestioned, you know, well, what
are you doing?
You're on the phone.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
And it's like, okay, do you want me to show you?
You know, this is what I've beenworking on right now.
This is whatever the email I'manswering.
Right.
It it shows them, yes, I'm onit, but I'm using it.
Yes.
And I want to show you that I'musing this tool.
SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
It's not just escape escapism or whatever, or you
know, it's not like I'm notpaying attention to you because
I'm doing this instead, it's umthis is important, or I'm I'm
actually emailing a teacherright now because yeah, it's you
know, so modeling your behavior,you know, if it again, if you're
(15:17):
if you're nervous, they'll benervous.
SPEAKER_02 (15:19):
If you're you know confident with okay, this I need
these tools to use for this,then they start using those
tools too, you know.
Sure, definitely.
There are actually many toolsthat have been adopted by our
children because we use them,like um our list making tools
and things like that, that theystarted making lists for
(15:41):
themselves.
And so it's that they verynaturally fall into kind of how
you do things.
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Yeah.
Um I guess we're getting intothe modeling of behavior, but
also equally important with thatis setting boundaries.
And um which is you know, to tokeep obviously them safe, and
you know, when it comes tobedtime, we make sure their
phones are off on silent, youknow, no one's gonna try to text
(16:12):
them or a what do you call it, agroup call or whatever.
I don't know.
But we didn't have that in mytime.
I'm like, that's a party line.
SPEAKER_02 (16:20):
What you know, three-way calling was but that
was only landline.
SPEAKER_01 (16:24):
Yeah, but you know, no no one would sit there with
the landline and do a three-waycall, you know, passive.
I mean, that takes a lot ofwork.
You know, it's easy on the phonewhen you have a group of numbers
and you call that groupapparently, which I didn't know
was a thing until you know I hadkids.
You learn a lot from your kids.
Oh, oh, don't you?
So, with that said, don't thinkyou know everything of what
they're doing.
(16:44):
So, you know, if they're sittingthere doing something, hey, what
you doing?
Have the conversation on likewhat are you doing, you know,
and let them show you, you know.
But um, so yeah, it's uh good tohave those boundaries and um go
ahead.
SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
Set the guidelines as far as you you set up
boundaries when it comes toagain sending if you are in the
a area to which you send yourkids out, um and or for us, you
know, um once they get a certainage, you know, and they're in a
place where you know where theyare and they're in a group, um,
(17:21):
you know, that they also knowtheir boundaries.
So you you certainly would notjust let them, you know, out
there without having some sortof conversation first.
So because you know these thingswhen it comes to Halloween, uh,
you know, again, the big razorscare in the 90s, we we had set
some kind of um tools aside forhow do we deal with this as a
(17:45):
society.
We didn't we didn't cancelHalloween, did we?
We did not cancel Halloween.
Instead, we you know createdcards and everybody knew their,
you know, um, you know, wear uhflashy clothing or something
like that.
So you're seen by cards.
Yep, exactly.
They they they put a bulletedlist item of uh and sent it home
with school.
(18:05):
And so they were kind of like,okay, let's do this.
Let's do this with safety.
Sure.
Well, and that's kind of whatwe're trying to uh just kind of
glaze over is the whole, well,you would do that for something
like a slightly scary situationlike your Halloween.
So wouldn't you do that with avery scary situation like the
(18:28):
World Wide Web, you know,something that is much larger.
SPEAKER_01 (18:32):
Yeah, much larger, yeah, metaverse in a way.
SPEAKER_02 (18:35):
And so it's really just kind of staying diligent,
being a part of it.
Um and again, if it if it'sscary, good.
SPEAKER_03 (18:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:45):
Because it being a little scary is kind of
important.
That means that you really haveto make sure that you're you're
setting up those boundaries anddoing the right thing.
SPEAKER_01 (18:53):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (18:54):
And let's talk about it.
Let's keep that informationgoing and flowing.
Um, you know, if if there'squestions, um, if we have
parents out there that have, youknow, questions, you know, feel
free to call Winternet Web.
We do uh have monitoring toolsthat we use um and the way that
we uh kind of set our kids up onaccounts and things like that so
(19:16):
that there is they can'tactually do something without us
actually getting a text aboutit.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
It was like my daughter the other day.
She uh like logged intosomething and well my gosh, I
can't think of it.
It was a school-related um wasit Gimkit or something?
It was a school-related study.
Oh yeah, I got that one too.
Yeah, and and it was like, youknow, she just logged into
Gimkit.
So I'm like, what you studying?
Uh social studies or what?
(19:42):
She's like, What do you mean?
I'm like, what you doing on aGimKit?
It's like, oh, well, I'm doingthis, you know, but but it's
kind of our also that reminderand it lets them know, and I I
cue that in from time to time,it lets them know, wait, they're
getting notifications.
Now, they don't realize theextent of it, or but let them
assume I'm getting notificationsof everything, but you don't let
(20:02):
you know you you don't share allyour secrets, but it but also
it's kind of like that, hey,look, um, and it's not to be
overbearing, it's I'm here withyou.
Uh keep it a conversation.
Everything can be a teachablemoment.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
You know, and and if you need, I'm your watchdog.
SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
Exactly.
Yeah, I I got your back.
Yeah.
I got your back.
No uncleberry, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:22):
I'm your uncleberry.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
Right.
Oh, goodness.
SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
And that's what keeps things fun.
Uh it does, yeah.
And that's a whole book.
It's actually very fun.
Uh, there's a couple of thingsthat they do online that um I
really like.
Uh there's the language thingsthat they learn.
SPEAKER_03 (20:37):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:38):
Uh they have a lot of um those uh learning apps
that are uh very cool.
There's some um, you know, likeorganizational um there we have
a chore choresy, it's a reallycool app.
Um all of their chores areonline and then they can keep
track.
Yeah um so that that's kind ofneat because you you you're not
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having to sit there and say itall the time.
They actually collect points ifthey go ahead and do their
choice.
That's kind of a really cool wayto go ahead and reward once
those points have gotten to apoint.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Yeah, the whole badge system and all that has
become ubiquitous in the gamesthey play.
You get more score, uh, coins,whatever it might be, and then
you spend them on things so umyou know it they can get points
for you know making their bedand get points for helping get
gather their laundry togetherand clean the colour.
Clean the sink.
(21:31):
Clean the sink, right?
And my favorite one.
And then we're like, hey, I havethis many points.
And I tell them, well, thepoints don't matter.
No, I'm kidding.
Yes, they do.
All right, that's a uh joke.
SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
Um, so that's what it actually can keep it fun.
So if if they feel safe and youfeel that they're safe, yeah,
then they can actually exploreand learn.
SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (21:52):
And that's that's really where we're kind of
pushing is that if they're safeand you feel like they're safe,
then that's where they can findall of the really cool things
that are a part of pretty muchhaving the Library of Congress
in your pocket.
SPEAKER_01 (22:06):
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
So experience it, but with that's a lot of
learning that we're losing orwe're walking away from if we're
too afraid.
SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:16):
So how do we stay away from fear?
And it's we learn it.
SPEAKER_01 (22:19):
It's kind of the same battle we're seeing with AI
now, with a lot of you know,there are people cracking down
on it and saying we don't use itat all.
Well, it is a good tool.
Um maybe not say don't use itall at all, but maybe
incorporate it in theeducational process.
But we're not there yet.
Yeah, right.
Um, um sometimes we need to beahead of what's coming, but
(22:45):
sometimes it grows so fast it'shard to be there.
But don't just say no, never.
Okay, how can we actually usethis properly?
How can we teach the tools?
How can we actually use this asa writing lesson and teach
prompt writing?
How can we, you know, I reallythink a lot of this is
important, but you know, somepeople are traditionalists, and
(23:05):
I understand that.
And I've I've worked in anindustry of teaching how to use
technology, and fear is alwaysthe first uh reaction.
And I have it myself with newthings I want to learn, but then
I go to the experts and say,Hey, look, I'm feeling this way
about this, and how can I have amastery?
(23:26):
And I go, Okay, here's theroadblock, here's why you feel
this, here's how you get betterat it.
And then after that, I go, okay,I'm cool now.
I'd actually that was anerroneous reaction in my part.
SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
The dialogue among parents is a good idea.
SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
It is.
SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
Um, I think we don't always uh discuss this with uh
parent groups and things likethat.
Um it's you know, again, back inthe 90s when everything was
became very scary aboutHalloween, you know, it became
discussed.
SPEAKER_03 (23:55):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (23:55):
And so why not?
Sure.
We should have this as an opendialogue all the time.
Well, how do you keep your kidsmore safe?
Yeah, how can I, you know, whatcan I do next?
Yeah, you know, that kind ofthing.
We if we keep going um back andforth with that parallel, we
can, you know, we can learn morefrom each other.
SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, so are we ready to kind ofwrap this up and move on to
something else?
SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
Yeah, we do also.
Um that's just a little piecethat we wanted to go over again.
Spooky.
SPEAKER_01 (24:26):
And I do love I do love your idea of Halloween and
all that.
And you're like, should we dothis yet?
And I said, Well, yeah, I knowit's in Jesus' October's
tomorrow.
I'm like, no, let's get this outhere.
We have a whole nother seriesyou were talking about in
October, but people are alreadystarting to think about
Halloween.
It's starting to put it outthere going to Walmart in
August.
Yeah, Walmart has Christmastrees now, never mind.
Right?
SPEAKER_02 (24:46):
Now they've moved on to Christmas.
You can't even do anythingHalloween.
SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
Oh, geez.
But um, so I I guess kind oflike, you know, think about it.
When you're checking your kids'candy, you know, also think, are
your kids' accounts safe?
I'm gonna keep both bags safe,if you will.
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
Um, that's cute.
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
You know, consider the uh account settings.
Are there things on there thatmaybe can be tweaked?
Um and again, like Melanie said,there are apps and different
things that can.
Um I know Family Link is onewhich is involved with the the
Google platform.
Um so if they have an emailaccount, which is used with a
lot of apps, um you can setdifferent account settings and
(25:29):
notifications and approvalsettings.
SPEAKER_02 (25:31):
Ages.
SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (25:33):
That one's extremely important.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
And and some of the browsing of the web is based on
age.
SPEAKER_02 (25:37):
Um so And it will stop you if you were too early.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (25:44):
And so having those accounts set up is extremely
important to keep that age sureat that age.
Right, which is very important.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
And you know, and of course, with anything, there are
always ways around it.
That is why, you know, and I'veheard people say, Well, I have
this, but then they did this.
You know, as kids get older,they hear from people, they find
ways.
That's why your involvement, notin a um I guess accusatory way,
but in in building arelationship is very important.
(26:15):
Let's keep talking.
Yeah, exactly.
Let's always keep talking aboutit.
That's the biggest thing.
No app is gonna save that.
It's uh keeping that dialoguegoing.
SPEAKER_02 (26:27):
So You're the first line of defense.
SPEAKER_01 (26:29):
You are, exactly.
Do you want to play a game?
SPEAKER_02 (26:32):
Let's play a game.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
Alright, so uh so we're gonna.
SPEAKER_02 (26:38):
Sorry, I do love my little voice or sound effects.
I'm gonna transition us into asound effect.
SPEAKER_01 (26:44):
Oh no, that's gonna be fun.
SPEAKER_02 (26:54):
I just love the old school nature of that one.
SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Well, I gotta say, that reminded me of the Donkey
Kong.
Um, like when back on the NESversion, when you went to start
playing, it was it was the wholedo anyway.
Um I'm gonna sucker, whatever.
I'm a sucker for that retrostuff, and I I ain't I ain't
gonna apologize.
Alright, so we're gonna go back.
SPEAKER_02 (27:19):
Okay, and AI and us have come up, uh mostly us, uh,
but AI has followed suit umbecause we put it in there and
we told him what to do.
SPEAKER_03 (27:28):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (27:29):
Um, so it is we're gonna play, and I know what
you're thinking, but let's let'sgo ahead and explain this.
Uh yes, go go with us on it.
SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
I'm already wired.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
We're playing never have ever.
Obviously, we do this during thework day, so we're doing this
with coffee.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (27:47):
Isn't it ironic?
You just brought up never haveour ever, and we've been to
talking to parents about how tohelp kids with stuff and all
that, and I'm sure they have theright and the wrong meaning
right now.
SPEAKER_02 (27:57):
Oh, I did that on purpose.
I think this is a very this is akid.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
This is a oh right, it's kid friendly, right?
SPEAKER_02 (28:03):
It's it's a kid.
It is not an older kid.
SPEAKER_01 (28:07):
You need more coffee?
Yes.
There you go.
SPEAKER_02 (28:10):
Um, and so it is um something they tend to play, and
so it's um much older.
Yeah, you know, in the hopefully21.
It's technically a drinkinggame.
SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (28:23):
Uh, we're not drinking, we're gonna do our
concept our coffee because we'rewired together, and one of the
things we named ourselves aswired together is we're very big
coffee advocates.
SPEAKER_01 (28:35):
Yeah, we drink coffee in the morning and
sometimes in the colder times ofthe year, early afternoon.
SPEAKER_02 (28:41):
So we we we operate off of caffeine quite a bit
sometimes.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Coffee, Java, technology, you kind of get this
here.
It all goes to the country.
It all it works out, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (28:50):
So that's our part of our wired.
SPEAKER_01 (28:52):
That's right.
Yeah, it's part of the reasonbeing wired.
So I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02 (28:56):
So AI is going to set us up with some scenarios.
And if we have dealt with it, wewill take a sip.
We'll take a sip in if uh of ourcoffee.
Yeah, and if we have not dealtwith it, we will either watch
the other one take a sip or moveforward.
SPEAKER_01 (29:13):
Yep, exactly.
So alright, well, and if it's myunderstanding, we told our
friendly AI droid man, whatever,to give us 13 of these.
So just staying in the same.
We're staying with the 13 thing,so the theme.
Alright, everyone pray that thisworks correctly.
(29:37):
Alright, AI.
Let's start with let's playtech.
Never have I ever.
SPEAKER_00 (29:44):
Absolutely.
Let's dive right in and I'llkeep it historically by the boat
this time.
Never have I ever clicked RemindMe Later on a pop-up window.
Just let me know.
When you're ready for the nextone.
SPEAKER_02 (29:55):
Remind me later on a pop-up window.
Like the whole Need to updateyour iOS to remind me later.
Yes.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Constant.
SPEAKER_01 (30:05):
Yep, all the time.
Alright, I'm gonna drink thatone too.
There we go.
SPEAKER_02 (30:08):
Click.
Do not want to go ahead and justyet.
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
I got things to do.
I'm not worried about that.
Yep.
Alright.
Okay, next one.
SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
Never have I ever restarted my computer and hope
it wouldn't magically fixeverything.
Just let me know when you wantthe next one.
SPEAKER_01 (30:27):
Never have I ever restarted well all the time.
SPEAKER_02 (30:30):
I mean That is that is the key thing you do.
SPEAKER_01 (30:34):
I mean I do it right away.
I'm gonna try the complicatedroute first, and then eventually
go, alright, fine.
Alright, I'll restart it.
SPEAKER_02 (30:44):
My biggest problem is that actually that should not
work.
And yet it doesn't.
So I usually just fight that oneas no, no, restarting should not
work.
And it's like, it trust me.
And then it does.
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
And it does.
And you're like, well, dag onit.
What there should be an errormessage if it weren't working.
So drink to that one.
Alright.
Next one.
Next one, what you got?
SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
Never have I ever joined the wrong Zoom meeting
and stayed quiet hoping no onenoticed.
Just let me know when you'reready for the next evening.
SPEAKER_02 (31:17):
Join the wrong Zoom meeting and stay quiet hoping no
one noticed.
SPEAKER_01 (31:22):
Well, it it's hard enough to get into the correct
Zoom meeting that you're tryingto.
It's like, where's that email?
Where's that link?
So I never joined the wrong one,but when I joined the one I'm
supposed to be in, sometimes,yep, I stay quiet.
SPEAKER_02 (31:38):
I don't want to, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:39):
Hoping no one notice.
Kind of.
SPEAKER_02 (31:41):
Yeah, okay.
I'm with you on that one.
SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02 (31:43):
Sometimes you join the right one, but you still
don't want to be noticed.
SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
But it's still wrong because I don't want to be in it
anyway.
Right?
So it's a half drink.
We're gonna half sip.
A half sip.
There we go.
Alright, next one, buddy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:58):
Never have I ever had 87 browser tabs open
because, well, I might need themlater.
And just let me know when you'reready for the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (32:06):
This is both of us.
SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
87.
Come on, guys.
SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
80.
Yeah, that's that's chump changeright there.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
That's alright.
Come on now.
I got 87 windows, each with 20tabs in them.
No.
Yeah, we'll both drink to thatone, I think.
There we go.
Let's click.
Click.
Absolutely.
Way too many browsers.
Yep.
Don't follow our lead.
Next one.
SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
Never have I ever been betrayed by autocorrect in
a professional email.
Just let me know when you'reready for the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (32:42):
Professional email.
I've been betrayed byautocorrect many, many times.
SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
But usually, see, autocorrect and email kind of
came.
SPEAKER_02 (32:51):
I'm usually obsessively reread emails.
So maybe in text?
Text, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Or if we say text, do we both drink?
I'll drink the text.
Autocorrect portrays meconstantly.
Oh yeah, definitely.
It's like, no, I didn't say Ilove you.
No, you're my boss.
No, how do I take that back?
Alright, next one.
SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
Never have I ever spilled coffee on my keyboard.
SPEAKER_02 (33:17):
Ready for the next one?
Coffee?
No.
SPEAKER_01 (33:21):
I well, almost a minute ago.
SPEAKER_02 (33:23):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:24):
It clicked a little too hard.
SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
Clicked a little too hard.
Um, but uh, I think it was maybethe milk from my cereal.
SPEAKER_01 (33:33):
Oh, pretty sure I was pregnant at this point.
That was sticky.
SPEAKER_02 (33:36):
We had to redo the whole thing.
Oh, I had took the whole thingapart.
SPEAKER_01 (33:40):
That is not a fun thing to clean.
SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
So, yes, I have done that.
But it wasn't a coffee.
Um it was like that stickycereal milk, which is worse.
SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
It had to be like cinnamon toast crunch or honey.
SPEAKER_02 (33:53):
I was pregnant.
I ate all cereals at the time.
SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
Right.
There was no judgment.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
Right.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
Oh, it was just like, no, eat.
SPEAKER_02 (34:03):
I might be drinking by myself, but I'm cool with
that.
SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
I don't know.
I haven't done I've fixedothers, and I don't know why.
I I don't know.
But I haven't.
Okay.
We don't need a story.
We're just gonna move on to thenext one.
SPEAKER_00 (34:20):
Never have I ever forgotten my password right
after resetting it.
Just let me know when you winthe next one.
unknown (34:26):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (34:27):
This sounds more like me.
Because I will ask you your nameand forget your name as soon as
I asked you.
Like forget that I was supposedto listen to the name once I've
asked.
SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
Goldfish mode.
SPEAKER_02 (34:38):
I have a goldfish mode.
SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
Goldfish mode.
SPEAKER_02 (34:41):
You tend to remember things a lot, especially
passwords.
SPEAKER_01 (34:44):
I mean, obviously.
SPEAKER_02 (34:45):
You could probably remember your password from
like, you know, college.
I I do not.
Yeah, don't even.
Yeah, I know you can.
That drives me crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
So, I mean, there are so many passwords in my mind
here that I obviously haveforgotten many as well.
SPEAKER_02 (35:01):
So, um, as soon as you made it, probably not.
SPEAKER_01 (35:06):
As soon as I made it, well, no, I mean, it's one
of those things where you knowyou have certain routines in how
you make passwords.
So then you assume, did I dothat?
No, I that didn't.
And then you try something else.
And then you reset the password.
And then it ends up being youcan't reset the password to the
same password you used before,and you went, I knew that was
the one.
(35:27):
So then, you know.
Anyway, passwords are funny, andI hope the technology gets
better.
I don't care if we, you know,what we use, but the physical
password will change probably infive years.
Alright.
I'm gonna dr I'm gonna drink toit.
I know I have all the time.
You got to.
They're they're two part of ourlives and next one.
SPEAKER_00 (35:49):
Never have I ever tried turning it off and on
again like a professional ITwizard.
Just let me know when you'reready for the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (35:57):
I feel like that goes with the other one.
SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
That kind of goes with the other one.
SPEAKER_02 (36:00):
Um turning off, turning back on.
SPEAKER_01 (36:02):
Yeah.
Alright, we're just gonna moveon to the next one.
Yeah.
No both.
Alright, next one.
SPEAKER_00 (36:12):
Never have I ever sent a message to the wrong
group chat.
And just let me know when youwant the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (36:20):
A message to the wrong group chat.
I hate group chat messaging.
SPEAKER_01 (36:27):
So I don't I don't like it it's just not my thing.
SPEAKER_02 (36:31):
I will intentionally send a message to the wrong
group chat because I will uhindividually send a message as
opposed to the channel.
SPEAKER_01 (36:37):
Yeah, and people expect to hear the whole thing
where I send it to themindividually.
I I'm just very particular aboutthat communique, if you will.
So, alright.
Um, I don't even know how toanswer that one.
Alright, we're gonna move on.
I think that's number eight.
We'll we'll try to get we'll tryto get 13, and you know if it's
(36:57):
wrong when you listen to it,then hey, at least I know you
listened.
Next one!
SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
Never have I ever Googled an error message word
for word.
Just let me know when you'reready for the next one.
SPEAKER_01 (37:12):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:13):
I mean you you you never have I ever installed an
update, only to realize I wasnow late to a meeting.
Just let me know when you wantthe next one.
SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
I didn't ask you for another one.
SPEAKER_02 (37:23):
Installed an update.
What?
SPEAKER_01 (37:27):
We're having technical difficulties.
SPEAKER_02 (37:30):
He's he's doubling up on us.
We can't do that.
No, it's uh Googled an errormessage, absolutely.
Yeah, I mean I mean, how else doyou learn any information from
your go your error message?
SPEAKER_01 (37:43):
You have to, and the the thing that gets me is when
you Google it, and it ends uptaking you to there's always
like the customer portal becausethey want you know the people
that use the products toactually be their own IT
support.
So they will, you know, this iswhat I dealt with.
So then you Google it and yourealize the date was 2006, and
(38:05):
you're like, what else 19 yearsago?
This probably isn't even gonnahelp me.
You know?
SPEAKER_02 (38:10):
So um I'm sure there's been some updates.
SPEAKER_01 (38:13):
I know, it's it's like, no, this is not worth the
search.
I I please, has someone ever hadthis issue that I've dealt with?
Was there an what was the otherone he said?
We're just gonna ignore that.
I know we talked about theGoogle thing, and then you
mentioned something else.
SPEAKER_02 (38:26):
I'm the goldfish, so that's not that's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
Alright.
I think we're at 10 if we ignorethe yellow one, so we'll get
three more and we're we're gonnawe're gonna let y'all go, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (38:35):
Let y'all go.
SPEAKER_01 (38:36):
Okay.
Alright, um, next one please.
SPEAKER_00 (38:42):
Never have I ever panicked when the Wi-Fi went out
and suddenly felt completely cutoff from the world.
And just let me know when youwant the final one.
SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
I mean, when it cuts out, you're like, oh shoot.
And then sometimes it's like,hey, this is nice.
SPEAKER_02 (38:56):
There's a pleasantness.
SPEAKER_01 (38:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:58):
Well, and it it actually depends on the day.
SPEAKER_01 (39:02):
Yeah, it does.
If you gotta get the homeworkdone or if you gotta do the
floor.
There's just a lot to do whenyou first get home.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (39:07):
And for some reason the rain and the Wi-Fi have some
sort of connection that I haveno concept of.
SPEAKER_01 (39:15):
I I don't either, but that is the reason why I
think the droid is messing upbecause anytime it rains a
little bit, it's like all of asudden your Wi-Fi connection's
gone.
SPEAKER_02 (39:25):
And then my phone goes off the top.
It's always when you really justgotta go ahead and get something
done.
SPEAKER_01 (39:31):
Always which is Murphy's love.
SPEAKER_02 (39:34):
Set yourself up and now we're not working.
That's right.
Um, as far as you know, yes,there are times where I'd, you
know, at night or something likethat.
Sure, you can go off.
SPEAKER_01 (39:46):
Whatever, I'm done.
SPEAKER_02 (39:47):
Then it bothered me anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (39:49):
So I guess we can.
SPEAKER_02 (39:50):
The Wi-Fi doesn't bother me anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
So I guess I'm not really drunk in the net.
We're not gonna panic.
It's actually a welcomesurprise.
Alright, another one.
SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
Never have I ever printed something and had
absolutely no idea where theprinter put it.
And that should be the last one.
Let me know if there's anythingelse you need.
SPEAKER_01 (40:10):
Oh, so now he knows how to keep count.
SPEAKER_02 (40:12):
Well, we do have multiple printers that are
wireless, they're different.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
You're exactly right.
SPEAKER_02 (40:17):
And then all of a sudden it ends up in this, like
I got a good story on that, butyou go ahead.
This library that is apparentlynever gonna get printed because
you've gotten rid of thatprinter and now it's just it's
just there and it's hanging.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
Can you imagine like that printer that you sent it
to?
And I realize this can't happen,but just hang with me.
So you're printing to thisprinter you got rid of, but you
sold it in the church yard sale,and then a year later the people
that bought it hook it up, plugit into the wall, hook it to the
Wi-Fi, and 247 pages come out,and they're like, oh, it's
(40:53):
possessed.
SPEAKER_02 (40:54):
Why is this dissertation coming?
It makes no sense.
SPEAKER_01 (40:57):
And I realize it can't happen, but in my world,
if my life were a cartoon, thatwould be or a sitcom.
Or a sitcom.
No, but I have experiencedwhere, like from my laptop,
printed it to my printer at homeand didn't, you know, and went,
oh crap, I'm sorry.
(41:17):
I need to print it to the onehere, and I print it.
Don't think about removing itfrom the queue of the other one.
I walk in the door and then itstarts printing because now it's
connected.
And I'm like, I didn't need twocopies, but so yeah, anyway, so
alright, we'll drink to thatone, I'm sure.
Right, we'll drink to that one.
SPEAKER_02 (41:34):
Uh unfortunately, uh in the rehearsal, setting
everything up and the rehearsaland everything when one of his
questions was never have I everrage quit from a printer jam.
SPEAKER_01 (41:49):
Yes, exactly.
That was kind of funny.
SPEAKER_02 (41:50):
That one was a little funnier than this
particular printer one.
SPEAKER_01 (41:53):
So I think some people don't realize we
sometimes have a conversationwith it.
SPEAKER_02 (41:56):
You rehearse it.
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
And then we kind of say, look, here's some ideas we
have, what do you think?
And then I say, okay, can werepeat this?
But then he forgets.
He ad libs and does whatever, orhas this changes and rage quit
on the printer, or that's right.
SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
Really at least if nothing else, visualizing the
printer flying through thewindow.
SPEAKER_01 (42:16):
Um that helps me.
I'm getting office space fiveson Facebook.
SPEAKER_02 (42:19):
Yes, very often.
Oh, office space makes so muchsense when they're starting to
you know beat the popular withbaseball bats.
I love it.
It's like my favorite scene.
SPEAKER_01 (42:28):
Everyone should understand that.
So well, um, I think we justwent ahead and uh played the
game, or it played us.
I haven't, you know, it's that'sthat's for you to judge, but you
just keep moving.
Um yeah, I I think uh, you know,and we might we're gonna have
some other games in futureepisodes.
(42:49):
And in a prior episode, wementioned how some of the games
we played, this one not beingone, because it was supposed to
be specific things, not a randomgenerated thing.
But they they were pretty fun.
And if you go to our website andyou click on the whole podcast
link, there at the bottom wekind of have a section where you
(43:11):
can copy the source code, if youwill, the prompt.
And if you plug that into yourAI, you should be able to play
some of the games that we havedone in previous episodes.
So just kind of letting you knowthat.
Uh, we ready to wrap up, youthink?
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (43:27):
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from everybody.
Please please follow us on yourfavorite platform.
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We hope you're still listening,but getting this out there and
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Check out, of course, theprevious podcast, but we got
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So you're having had time topush it anyway.
SPEAKER_02 (44:25):
We haven't either yet almost Christmas.
This is yeah, these are someinteresting um kind of your your
tech geek fanatic gifts.
Um so anybody that you reallyhave no idea what to buy for,
they may enjoy it.
SPEAKER_01 (44:40):
So it's October, Walmart has Christmas trees up,
Christmas is on the way.
Go ahead and take a peek and uhunplugging for now, but always
stay connected.
All right, welcome to Wired Together.
And this is our big episode 13.
SPEAKER_01 (00:12):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
Um Lucky 13?
SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
Yep.
Is it is it trixode phobia,something like that, the fear of
thirteen.
SPEAKER_02 (00:20):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (00:21):
I mean, I'm that afraid of that word, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:24):
I tend to like the the number 13.
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
I always have, and it was funny because we I
remember us talking about thatwhen we met.
A lot of people have a fear orthey don't, and you know, it's
just I I always felt like onlike Friday the 13th or
whatever, it always tends to bea positive day for me, not
negative.
SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
Seems kind of light.
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
But maybe it's because I think it's going to
be, then the mindset, you know,makes it happen.
But anyway.
SPEAKER_02 (00:46):
So speaking of light and fun, we're gonna do a
trick-or-treat tech tips.
So trick-or-treating, what doesthat have to do with tech?
Absolutely nothing.
But we are we're making aparallel here.
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
I hope you enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
And it is going to be um so talking about something
scary, but in a light way.
So that's um kind of where we'regonna go with that one.
Uh so it this again is our 13thepisode.
Yep, yep.
So thank you so much forlistening for 13 times.
Or or if you have, or if youhaven't, binge watch, binge
(01:23):
listen.
SPEAKER_01 (01:23):
Yeah, you got 12 others, so go in.
SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
Um so with uh it's gonna be October tomorrow, so
with the holiday uh Halloweenseason kind of starting, we're
gonna have a bit of a a spookyseries.
So there's a lot of tech thingsthat are spooky.
SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
Yeah, spooky, spooky feeling.
Unpredictable, you know, maybemaybe bothers you, not sure what
to do with it.
So I think this series omnis.
Yeah.
I think the series will addressa lot of things that we have
seen and also people have askedabout, so that's uh that's the
name of the game, but we'regearing it up now with uh
(02:02):
something Melanie put together,which I think is incredible.
The correlation using thetrick-or-treat Halloween, if you
will, scene and how we preparekids for a holiday that you
dress them up in clothing, yousend them out in the dark with
cars and go to strangers'houses.
We prepare them for that, butare we equally preparing them
(02:26):
for the world of technology?
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (02:28):
Well, let's start off with some fun music.
SPEAKER_01 (02:31):
Alright.
I guess it kind of sets themood.
SPEAKER_02 (02:42):
Setting the mood for our spooky side of technology.
SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
I like that.
SPEAKER_02 (02:46):
Um so what we're talking about is, you know,
getting the kids prepared for umthe spooky of technology, and
more or less, as we know, andnot just getting kids ready,
getting ourselves ready.
SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
So yeah, that too.
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
Um so starting off with uh kind of a waiting till
they're mature enough maybemight mean they're never mature
enough.
So we've got to kind of get themgoing, um, you know, as far as
understanding something.
Um I I had a a faux uncle.
(03:23):
Those are what they are is afake uncle, it's who who said
one time that um, you know,children should never go to a
restaurant until they're 12years old.
Um my mother's quick retort wasif if you have a 12-year-old at
a restaurant that had never beenthere before, they will have no
(03:43):
idea what to do.
SPEAKER_01 (03:44):
Yeah, I mean that's a good point.
SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
So this is kind of what we're like how we think of
this um whole jumping intotechnology instead of jumping
more of a work our way intotechnology.
SPEAKER_01 (03:55):
Right.
And kind of showing the ropes,you know.
I mean, as adults, you know,helping them along in
understanding, you know, notjust being afraid of it.
SPEAKER_02 (04:03):
Right, right.
So it's not an are you afraid ofthe dark, it's are you prepared
for the dark.
SPEAKER_01 (04:09):
Right.
Here's a flashlight, here's howto change your batteries, here's
what I taught you.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (04:13):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
Yeah, so alright, so what we're going to go into,
man.
SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
Uh so uh like your check your candy.
That was big in the 90s backwhen we were Oh Lord, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
The razor blades and candy.
Oh, I know.
SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
Everything's gonna be awful in your candy.
SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
Oh yeah, they're gonna poison you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:32):
So, in that whole concept of check your candy,
check your kids, you know, asfar as if they are actually
online and they have accountsfor anything, uh make sure you
have access.
Yeah.
So it's not just their access,it's your access.
It's your phone.
So or it's your device.
SPEAKER_01 (04:52):
There are a lot of apps, and not one app is gonna
cover every everything.
And actually, I wouldn't suggestone that kind of takes over
their entire phone fortechnically.
We did have one that was.
Yeah, for technological reasonsI'm not gonna get into, but um
it it it involves like anunderlying VPN.
(05:13):
I guess I am talking about it,but no, I'm not gonna go into
the detail I was thinking about.
Um it can actually create moreof a glitchy environment than
it's actually helping.
And um, and of course, there areother platforms that might be
performing better, but uh reallyit's not the app isn't going to
fix it.
It's more of the I guess theeducation and the understanding
(05:37):
that hey look, you know, youhave this device, but it does
come with responsibility, youknow, um having that dialogue.
SPEAKER_02 (05:45):
Uh because more than swooping in, sometimes you just
need to blame look.
SPEAKER_01 (05:49):
You do.
You yeah, you definitely do.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Make sure there's nothing poisonous.
Right.
Sometimes you have to check umspecific things within the the
any device and make sure therethere is no poison.
SPEAKER_03 (06:03):
So that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (06:04):
Um and you know, that's that uh relationship
there where you okay, it you canhave it, but I'm gonna look at
it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
Right, exactly.
And um so they're able to use adevice, but you know, but of
course you're monitoring it justlike the candy.
And I know when my kids comeback from Halloween, and you
know, I glance, you know, scooparound in a bowl when I look
around.
SPEAKER_02 (06:29):
Oh yeah, you're definitely looking for some
Reese's.
SPEAKER_01 (06:32):
I mean, I don't know, but I always end up with
everything with almonds andcoconut.
SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
I don't get anything cold.
SPEAKER_01 (06:40):
I think that might be a pinhole, baby.
Or definitely a rip.
See right here.
Hold on.
See right here.
That's definitely a rip in thatReese's peanut butter cup.
You can't have that, baby.
I want you to be safe.
Yeah, I I rack up good.
SPEAKER_02 (06:56):
But and you know, we go into, you know, you're you're
teaching them certain thingslike uh talking to strangers.
And and no, in small areas likewhere we live, they're not
always strangers, but they'restrangers to the kid.
Sometimes you know people thatthey don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (07:16):
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (07:18):
And so, you know, we we do want to make sure that
they don't um, you know, thatthey know that we, you know,
don't want to go into or go buya house that's that's a
stranger's house or somethinglike that.
So we're able to do that alittle differently here in the
small community um wheretrick-or-treating is some the
something you drive to.
SPEAKER_01 (07:39):
Right.
Yeah, we drive there and weusually hit up people we know.
SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
Hey, what you doing or whatever, and you talk on
their porch for a little bit,then you to trick or treat in in
in our particular neighborhoodis two houses and one of them is
pretty much ours now.
SPEAKER_01 (07:54):
Right, it was.
No, I know.
But it and I guess w in the samevein, um w with the kids, you
know, now at the age of havingphones and things like that, and
um we've kind of kind of made itclear that okay, this is an
extension of resocialization,and with that, if you don't know
(08:17):
that person in real life, youknow then you don't know that
person.
Then you don't know that.
Then you they shouldn't betexting you, they shouldn't be
calling you, and vice versa.
SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
And any kind of game where it's the in a larger you
know, feed they're very strictabout no talking to anybody that
you don't know in real life.
Right.
And I mean it's because youknow, and and letting them know,
look.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
There are people that are might try to do that.
SPEAKER_02 (08:44):
That's an actual, you know, nine-year-old girl or
if that's a 40-year-old man.
Yeah.
You know, that's exactly youneed to to receive a caution.
SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
But exactly like that because they go.
SPEAKER_02 (08:54):
Just have that strict rule for yourself.
If you don't know them, youdon't talk to them.
SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
Exactly.
Yep, that is certainly animportant concept.
And uh kind of went with ourtheme.
SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
And yeah, it's that kind of trust your gut.
SPEAKER_01 (09:11):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02 (09:11):
Sometimes you have to, you know, trust that that if
something seems scary, it isscary.
SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:19):
Come to me.
SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Um, that's what online is about.
It's, you know, not being notmaking them terrified, but
making you can do this, but youknow, there are things to watch
for.
Right.
There are things that are scaryout there.
SPEAKER_01 (09:33):
Keep your intuition high, and if you experience the
spooky feelings, if you will,going with the Halloween theme,
then it's uh something worthhaving a conversation about.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
And letting them know I'm your Huckleberry.
If you want, if you needsomebody, come to me.
I will, I will definitely jumpin there.
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
Oh yeah, I'm your Huckleberry.
I like that.
Yeah.
Good reference.
SPEAKER_02 (10:02):
And going into intuition, you know, we do teach
our children um when it comes totechnology, again, if it doesn't
feel right, it's not.
Your intuition, your your yourgut feeling, if you will, is
kind of your smoke alarm.
You do need to kind of go aheadand pay attention to that.
SPEAKER_03 (10:18):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
And and listen to that visceral response because
that is something that we allhave, and we need to be um, you
know, intuitive about it.
We need to pay attention to itand and walk away.
SPEAKER_01 (10:32):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (10:33):
And so, you know, when we we uh intro introduce
them into say neighborhoodwalking and things like that.
And then, you know, if you thinkabout it, Halloween's a bit of a
uh it is a scary holiday, andthat's the whole point.
Right, yeah, but it's also ascary holiday, you know.
There's a lot of things thatcould be, you know, negative
about uh definitely a bunch ofchildren in the dark.
(10:56):
So that's the whole concept ofif you don't think it's okay,
it's not.
SPEAKER_01 (11:01):
Right, you know, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (11:04):
And the same thing with online.
SPEAKER_01 (11:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:06):
If you don't feel okay, then that there's
something with that.
Go for it.
SPEAKER_01 (11:11):
And I mean every technology can have its, you
know, uses that are not, youknow, um, I guess a good way of
using that technology for good.
SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
Um if you can use it for good, you can use it for
bad.
SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
Exactly.
And I was just thinking backhere, like I remember when the
web came about, and of coursewhen it first came about, and
you know, the connectivitybetween college campuses that
evolved from there.
When the World Wide Web cameabout, we all were you had chat
rooms, you had um informationthat was put out there, but then
it was kind of like the oh youdon't know if this is actually
(11:48):
accurate or not.
And then um we were thinking theweb was just a fad.
And then there was a lot ofnarrative saying that it was
just a lot of negativity outthere there, you know, with the
postings and um so it it wastaking a negative turn, but
again, it evolves from that.
You're always gonna have thegood with the bad.
(12:08):
And I you know, I I don't carewhat it is.
So being proactive andunderstanding that yes, you will
face things.
You need to use your gut, likeyou said, and um just keep an
open conversation.
Don't just say, Oh, because thatexists, don't use it at all.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_02 (12:26):
If you fear it, you may not be as cognizant to learn
it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:31):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (12:32):
Because then you're gonna just put it aside and and
not learn.
SPEAKER_01 (12:36):
I mean, a a knife will cut you, but do I not let
my child cut up a green pepperto help me cook?
I think it's a very importantexperience.
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
Right, right.
Actually, they're very good atknife usage.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
But it's because we didn't say no, you can't use a
knife because it'll cut you.
You gotta, you know, you have tolet me train you.
Let me show you how to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (12:53):
Because it will cut you.
SPEAKER_01 (12:54):
And and and and it and it will and it has.
And it's like, okay, well, yousee, you cut towards you, do try
this.
Okay, good.
And that's how you grow.
SPEAKER_02 (13:05):
And so that kind of goes into probably the next
section of this is hilarious.
It used the term of um thesomehow we put in modeling
behavior.
Yeah.
Um, that is so teacher-y.
Yeah, that was so teachery.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
That was probably a joke.
SPEAKER_02 (13:23):
But so true, actually.
Um, that's how we teach.
Yeah.
That's how we teach children,you know, when we okay, here is
how you talk to people.
Here is how you go up and knockon a door and say tricketry.
You know, you treat, you know,you got your little
three-year-old and holding yourhand.
SPEAKER_03 (13:42):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (13:42):
And and, you know, encourage them to say, say
tricketry.
Right.
Tricketry, you know, and and sothey're they start to model you.
So exactly.
Same is true online, they model.
So if you are, you know, umnervous about what's online or
you are not appropriately usingthat, they're gonna pay
(14:05):
attention to that too.
So um a lot of times when we areum, you know, we try our best.
Uh we have a rule of of nophones at the supper table.
SPEAKER_03 (14:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:17):
Um, unfortunately, we also own a business.
SPEAKER_01 (14:20):
So it does um wh why is Deity stepping away?
Right.
So it's like a call and theclient's uh gotta be able to do
that.
SPEAKER_02 (14:28):
Yes, there's no phones at the supper table, but
there is there's no way we'regonna let a client just suffer.
So um there are reasons to notdo that.
So um a lot of times I will bequestioned, you know, well, what
are you doing?
You're on the phone.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
And it's like, okay, do you want me to show you?
You know, this is what I've beenworking on right now.
This is whatever the email I'manswering.
Right.
It it shows them, yes, I'm onit, but I'm using it.
Yes.
And I want to show you that I'musing this tool.
SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
It's not just escape escapism or whatever, or you
know, it's not like I'm notpaying attention to you because
I'm doing this instead, it's umthis is important, or I'm I'm
actually emailing a teacherright now because yeah, it's you
know, so modeling your behavior,you know, if it again, if you're
(15:17):
if you're nervous, they'll benervous.
SPEAKER_02 (15:19):
If you're you know confident with okay, this I need
these tools to use for this,then they start using those
tools too, you know.
Sure, definitely.
There are actually many toolsthat have been adopted by our
children because we use them,like um our list making tools
and things like that, that theystarted making lists for
(15:41):
themselves.
And so it's that they verynaturally fall into kind of how
you do things.
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Yeah.
Um I guess we're getting intothe modeling of behavior, but
also equally important with thatis setting boundaries.
And um which is you know, to tokeep obviously them safe, and
you know, when it comes tobedtime, we make sure their
phones are off on silent, youknow, no one's gonna try to text
(16:12):
them or a what do you call it, agroup call or whatever.
I don't know.
But we didn't have that in mytime.
I'm like, that's a party line.
SPEAKER_02 (16:20):
What you know, three-way calling was but that
was only landline.
SPEAKER_01 (16:24):
Yeah, but you know, no no one would sit there with
the landline and do a three-waycall, you know, passive.
I mean, that takes a lot ofwork.
You know, it's easy on the phonewhen you have a group of numbers
and you call that groupapparently, which I didn't know
was a thing until you know I hadkids.
You learn a lot from your kids.
Oh, oh, don't you?
So, with that said, don't thinkyou know everything of what
they're doing.
(16:44):
So, you know, if they're sittingthere doing something, hey, what
you doing?
Have the conversation on likewhat are you doing, you know,
and let them show you, you know.
But um, so yeah, it's uh good tohave those boundaries and um go
ahead.
SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
Set the guidelines as far as you you set up
boundaries when it comes toagain sending if you are in the
a area to which you send yourkids out, um and or for us, you
know, um once they get a certainage, you know, and they're in a
place where you know where theyare and they're in a group, um,
(17:21):
you know, that they also knowtheir boundaries.
So you you certainly would notjust let them, you know, out
there without having some sortof conversation first.
So because you know these thingswhen it comes to Halloween, uh,
you know, again, the big razorscare in the 90s, we we had set
some kind of um tools aside forhow do we deal with this as a
(17:45):
society.
We didn't we didn't cancelHalloween, did we?
We did not cancel Halloween.
Instead, we you know createdcards and everybody knew their,
you know, um, you know, wear uhflashy clothing or something
like that.
So you're seen by cards.
Yep, exactly.
They they they put a bulletedlist item of uh and sent it home
with school.
(18:05):
And so they were kind of like,okay, let's do this.
Let's do this with safety.
Sure.
Well, and that's kind of whatwe're trying to uh just kind of
glaze over is the whole, well,you would do that for something
like a slightly scary situationlike your Halloween.
So wouldn't you do that with avery scary situation like the
(18:28):
World Wide Web, you know,something that is much larger.
SPEAKER_01 (18:32):
Yeah, much larger, yeah, metaverse in a way.
SPEAKER_02 (18:35):
And so it's really just kind of staying diligent,
being a part of it.
Um and again, if it if it'sscary, good.
SPEAKER_03 (18:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:45):
Because it being a little scary is kind of
important.
That means that you really haveto make sure that you're you're
setting up those boundaries anddoing the right thing.
SPEAKER_01 (18:53):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (18:54):
And let's talk about it.
Let's keep that informationgoing and flowing.
Um, you know, if if there'squestions, um, if we have
parents out there that have, youknow, questions, you know, feel
free to call Winternet Web.
We do uh have monitoring toolsthat we use um and the way that
we uh kind of set our kids up onaccounts and things like that so
(19:16):
that there is they can'tactually do something without us
actually getting a text aboutit.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
It was like my daughter the other day.
She uh like logged intosomething and well my gosh, I
can't think of it.
It was a school-related um wasit Gimkit or something?
It was a school-related study.
Oh yeah, I got that one too.
Yeah, and and it was like, youknow, she just logged into
Gimkit.
So I'm like, what you studying?
Uh social studies or what?
(19:42):
She's like, What do you mean?
I'm like, what you doing on aGimKit?
It's like, oh, well, I'm doingthis, you know, but but it's
kind of our also that reminderand it lets them know, and I I
cue that in from time to time,it lets them know, wait, they're
getting notifications.
Now, they don't realize theextent of it, or but let them
assume I'm getting notificationsof everything, but you don't let
(20:02):
you know you you don't share allyour secrets, but it but also
it's kind of like that, hey,look, um, and it's not to be
overbearing, it's I'm here withyou.
Uh keep it a conversation.
Everything can be a teachablemoment.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
You know, and and if you need, I'm your watchdog.
SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
Exactly.
Yeah, I I got your back.
Yeah.
I got your back.
No uncleberry, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:22):
I'm your uncleberry.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
Right.
Oh, goodness.
SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
And that's what keeps things fun.
Uh it does, yeah.
And that's a whole book.
It's actually very fun.
Uh, there's a couple of thingsthat they do online that um I
really like.
Uh there's the language thingsthat they learn.
SPEAKER_03 (20:37):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:38):
Uh they have a lot of um those uh learning apps
that are uh very cool.
There's some um, you know, likeorganizational um there we have
a chore choresy, it's a reallycool app.
Um all of their chores areonline and then they can keep
track.
Yeah um so that that's kind ofneat because you you you're not
(20:59):
having to sit there and say itall the time.
They actually collect points ifthey go ahead and do their
choice.
That's kind of a really cool wayto go ahead and reward once
those points have gotten to apoint.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Yeah, the whole badge system and all that has
become ubiquitous in the gamesthey play.
You get more score, uh, coins,whatever it might be, and then
you spend them on things so umyou know it they can get points
for you know making their bedand get points for helping get
gather their laundry togetherand clean the colour.
Clean the sink.
(21:31):
Clean the sink, right?
And my favorite one.
And then we're like, hey, I havethis many points.
And I tell them, well, thepoints don't matter.
No, I'm kidding.
Yes, they do.
All right, that's a uh joke.
SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
Um, so that's what it actually can keep it fun.
So if if they feel safe and youfeel that they're safe, yeah,
then they can actually exploreand learn.
SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (21:52):
And that's that's really where we're kind of
pushing is that if they're safeand you feel like they're safe,
then that's where they can findall of the really cool things
that are a part of pretty muchhaving the Library of Congress
in your pocket.
SPEAKER_01 (22:06):
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
So experience it, but with that's a lot of
learning that we're losing orwe're walking away from if we're
too afraid.
SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:16):
So how do we stay away from fear?
And it's we learn it.
SPEAKER_01 (22:19):
It's kind of the same battle we're seeing with AI
now, with a lot of you know,there are people cracking down
on it and saying we don't use itat all.
Well, it is a good tool.
Um maybe not say don't use itall at all, but maybe
incorporate it in theeducational process.
But we're not there yet.
Yeah, right.
Um, um sometimes we need to beahead of what's coming, but
(22:45):
sometimes it grows so fast it'shard to be there.
But don't just say no, never.
Okay, how can we actually usethis properly?
How can we teach the tools?
How can we actually use this asa writing lesson and teach
prompt writing?
How can we, you know, I reallythink a lot of this is
important, but you know, somepeople are traditionalists, and
(23:05):
I understand that.
And I've I've worked in anindustry of teaching how to use
technology, and fear is alwaysthe first uh reaction.
And I have it myself with newthings I want to learn, but then
I go to the experts and say,Hey, look, I'm feeling this way
about this, and how can I have amastery?
(23:26):
And I go, Okay, here's theroadblock, here's why you feel
this, here's how you get betterat it.
And then after that, I go, okay,I'm cool now.
I'd actually that was anerroneous reaction in my part.
SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
The dialogue among parents is a good idea.
SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
It is.
SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
Um, I think we don't always uh discuss this with uh
parent groups and things likethat.
Um it's you know, again, back inthe 90s when everything was
became very scary aboutHalloween, you know, it became
discussed.
SPEAKER_03 (23:55):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (23:55):
And so why not?
Sure.
We should have this as an opendialogue all the time.
Well, how do you keep your kidsmore safe?
Yeah, how can I, you know, whatcan I do next?
Yeah, you know, that kind ofthing.
We if we keep going um back andforth with that parallel, we
can, you know, we can learn morefrom each other.
SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, so are we ready to kind ofwrap this up and move on to
something else?
SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
Yeah, we do also.
Um that's just a little piecethat we wanted to go over again.
Spooky.
SPEAKER_01 (24:26):
And I do love I do love your idea of Halloween and
all that.
And you're like, should we dothis yet?
And I said, Well, yeah, I knowit's in Jesus' October's
tomorrow.
I'm like, no, let's get this outhere.
We have a whole nother seriesyou were talking about in
October, but people are alreadystarting to think about
Halloween.
It's starting to put it outthere going to Walmart in
August.
Yeah, Walmart has Christmastrees now, never mind.
Right?
SPEAKER_02 (24:46):
Now they've moved on to Christmas.
You can't even do anythingHalloween.
SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
Oh, geez.
But um, so I I guess kind oflike, you know, think about it.
When you're checking your kids'candy, you know, also think, are
your kids' accounts safe?
I'm gonna keep both bags safe,if you will.
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
Um, that's cute.
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
You know, consider the uh account settings.
Are there things on there thatmaybe can be tweaked?
Um and again, like Melanie said,there are apps and different
things that can.
Um I know Family Link is onewhich is involved with the the
Google platform.
Um so if they have an emailaccount, which is used with a
lot of apps, um you can setdifferent account settings and
(25:29):
notifications and approvalsettings.
SPEAKER_02 (25:31):
Ages.
SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (25:33):
That one's extremely important.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
And and some of the browsing of the web is based on
age.
SPEAKER_02 (25:37):
Um so And it will stop you if you were too early.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (25:44):
And so having those accounts set up is extremely
important to keep that age sureat that age.
Right, which is very important.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
And you know, and of course, with anything, there are
always ways around it.
That is why, you know, and I'veheard people say, Well, I have
this, but then they did this.
You know, as kids get older,they hear from people, they find
ways.
That's why your involvement, notin a um I guess accusatory way,
but in in building arelationship is very important.
(26:15):
Let's keep talking.
Yeah, exactly.
Let's always keep talking aboutit.
That's the biggest thing.
No app is gonna save that.
It's uh keeping that dialoguegoing.
SPEAKER_02 (26:27):
So You're the first line of defense.
SPEAKER_01 (26:29):
You are, exactly.
Do you want to play a game?
SPEAKER_02 (26:32):
Let's play a game.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
Alright, so uh so we're gonna.
SPEAKER_02 (26:38):
Sorry, I do love my little voice or sound effects.
I'm gonna transition us into asound effect.
SPEAKER_01 (26:44):
Oh no, that's gonna be fun.
SPEAKER_02 (26:54):
I just love the old school nature of that one.
SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Well, I gotta say, that reminded me of the Donkey
Kong.
Um, like when back on the NESversion, when you went to start
playing, it was it was the wholedo anyway.
Um I'm gonna sucker, whatever.
I'm a sucker for that retrostuff, and I I ain't I ain't
gonna apologize.
Alright, so we're gonna go back.
SPEAKER_02 (27:19):
Okay, and AI and us have come up, uh mostly us, uh,
but AI has followed suit umbecause we put it in there and
we told him what to do.
SPEAKER_03 (27:28):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (27:29):
Um, so it is we're gonna play, and I know what
you're thinking, but let's let'sgo ahead and explain this.
Uh yes, go go with us on it.
SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
I'm already wired.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
We're playing never have ever.
Obviously, we do this during thework day, so we're doing this
with coffee.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (27:47):
Isn't it ironic?
You just brought up never haveour ever, and we've been to
talking to parents about how tohelp kids with stuff and all
that, and I'm sure they have theright and the wrong meaning
right now.
SPEAKER_02 (27:57):
Oh, I did that on purpose.
I think this is a very this is akid.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
This is a oh right, it's kid friendly, right?
SPEAKER_02 (28:03):
It's it's a kid.
It is not an older kid.
SPEAKER_01 (28:07):
You need more coffee?
Yes.
There you go.
SPEAKER_02 (28:10):
Um, and so it is um something they tend to play, and
so it's um much older.
Yeah, you know, in the hopefully21.
It's technically a drinkinggame.
SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (28:23):
Uh, we're not drinking, we're gonna do our
concept our coffee because we'rewired together, and one of the
things we named ourselves aswired together is we're very big
coffee advocates.
SPEAKER_01 (28:35):
Yeah, we drink coffee in the morning and
sometimes in the colder times ofthe year, early afternoon.
SPEAKER_02 (28:41):
So we we we operate off of caffeine quite a bit
sometimes.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Coffee, Java, technology, you kind of get this
here.
It all goes to the country.
It all it works out, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (28:50):
So that's our part of our wired.
SPEAKER_01 (28:52):
That's right.
Yeah, it's part of the reasonbeing wired.
So I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02 (28:56):
So AI is going to set us up with some scenarios.
And if we have dealt with it, wewill take a sip.
We'll take a sip in if uh of ourcoffee.
Yeah, and if we have not dealtwith it, we will either watch
the other one take a sip or moveforward.
SPEAKER_01 (29:13):
Yep, exactly.
So alright, well, and if it's myunderstanding, we told our
friendly AI droid man, whatever,to give us 13 of these.
So just staying in the same.
We're staying with the 13 thing,so the theme.
Alright, everyone pray that thisworks correctly.
(29:37):
Alright, AI.
Let's start with let's playtech.
Never have I ever.
SPEAKER_00 (29:44):
Absolutely.
Let's dive right in and I'llkeep it historically by the boat
this time.
Never have I ever clicked RemindMe Later on a pop-up window.
Just let me know.
When you're ready for the nextone.
SPEAKER_02 (29:55):
Remind me later on a pop-up window.
Like the whole Need to updateyour iOS to remind me later.
Yes.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Constant.
SPEAKER_01 (30:05):
Yep, all the time.
Alright, I'm gonna drink thatone too.
There we go.
SPEAKER_02 (30:08):
Click.
Do not want to go ahead and justyet.
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
I got things to do.
I'm not worried about that.
Yep.
Alright.
Okay, next one.
SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
Never have I ever restarted my computer and hope
it wouldn't magically fixeverything.
Just let me know when you wantthe next one.
SPEAKER_01 (30:27):
Never have I ever restarted well all the time.
SPEAKER_02 (30:30):
I mean That is that is the key thing you do.
SPEAKER_01 (30:34):
I mean I do it right away.
I'm gonna try the complicatedroute first, and then eventually
go, alright, fine.
Alright, I'll restart it.
SPEAKER_02 (30:44):
My biggest problem is that actually that should not
work.
And yet it doesn't.
So I usually just fight that oneas no, no, restarting should not
work.
And it's like, it trust me.
And then it does.
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
And it does.
And you're like, well, dag onit.
What there should be an errormessage if it weren't working.
So drink to that one.
Alright.
Next one.
Next one, what you got?
SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
Never have I ever joined the wrong Zoom meeting
and stayed quiet hoping no onenoticed.
Just let me know when you'reready for the next evening.
SPEAKER_02 (31:17):
Join the wrong Zoom meeting and stay quiet hoping no
one noticed.
SPEAKER_01 (31:22):
Well, it it's hard enough to get into the correct
Zoom meeting that you're tryingto.
It's like, where's that email?
Where's that link?
So I never joined the wrong one,but when I joined the one I'm
supposed to be in, sometimes,yep, I stay quiet.
SPEAKER_02 (31:38):
I don't want to, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:39):
Hoping no one notice.
Kind of.
SPEAKER_02 (31:41):
Yeah, okay.
I'm with you on that one.
SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02 (31:43):
Sometimes you join the right one, but you still
don't want to be noticed.
SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
But it's still wrong because I don't want to be in it
anyway.
Right?
So it's a half drink.
We're gonna half sip.
A half sip.
There we go.
Alright, next one, buddy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:58):
Never have I ever had 87 browser tabs open
because, well, I might need themlater.
And just let me know when you'reready for the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (32:06):
This is both of us.
SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
87.
Come on, guys.
SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
80.
Yeah, that's that's chump changeright there.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
That's alright.
Come on now.
I got 87 windows, each with 20tabs in them.
No.
Yeah, we'll both drink to thatone, I think.
There we go.
Let's click.
Click.
Absolutely.
Way too many browsers.
Yep.
Don't follow our lead.
Next one.
SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
Never have I ever been betrayed by autocorrect in
a professional email.
Just let me know when you'reready for the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (32:42):
Professional email.
I've been betrayed byautocorrect many, many times.
SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
But usually, see, autocorrect and email kind of
came.
SPEAKER_02 (32:51):
I'm usually obsessively reread emails.
So maybe in text?
Text, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Or if we say text, do we both drink?
I'll drink the text.
Autocorrect portrays meconstantly.
Oh yeah, definitely.
It's like, no, I didn't say Ilove you.
No, you're my boss.
No, how do I take that back?
Alright, next one.
SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
Never have I ever spilled coffee on my keyboard.
SPEAKER_02 (33:17):
Ready for the next one?
Coffee?
No.
SPEAKER_01 (33:21):
I well, almost a minute ago.
SPEAKER_02 (33:23):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:24):
It clicked a little too hard.
SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
Clicked a little too hard.
Um, but uh, I think it was maybethe milk from my cereal.
SPEAKER_01 (33:33):
Oh, pretty sure I was pregnant at this point.
That was sticky.
SPEAKER_02 (33:36):
We had to redo the whole thing.
Oh, I had took the whole thingapart.
SPEAKER_01 (33:40):
That is not a fun thing to clean.
SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
So, yes, I have done that.
But it wasn't a coffee.
Um it was like that stickycereal milk, which is worse.
SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
It had to be like cinnamon toast crunch or honey.
SPEAKER_02 (33:53):
I was pregnant.
I ate all cereals at the time.
SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
Right.
There was no judgment.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
Right.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
Oh, it was just like, no, eat.
SPEAKER_02 (34:03):
I might be drinking by myself, but I'm cool with
that.
SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
I don't know.
I haven't done I've fixedothers, and I don't know why.
I I don't know.
But I haven't.
Okay.
We don't need a story.
We're just gonna move on to thenext one.
SPEAKER_00 (34:20):
Never have I ever forgotten my password right
after resetting it.
Just let me know when you winthe next one.
unknown (34:26):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (34:27):
This sounds more like me.
Because I will ask you your nameand forget your name as soon as
I asked you.
Like forget that I was supposedto listen to the name once I've
asked.
SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
Goldfish mode.
SPEAKER_02 (34:38):
I have a goldfish mode.
SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
Goldfish mode.
SPEAKER_02 (34:41):
You tend to remember things a lot, especially
passwords.
SPEAKER_01 (34:44):
I mean, obviously.
SPEAKER_02 (34:45):
You could probably remember your password from
like, you know, college.
I I do not.
Yeah, don't even.
Yeah, I know you can.
That drives me crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
So, I mean, there are so many passwords in my mind
here that I obviously haveforgotten many as well.
SPEAKER_02 (35:01):
So, um, as soon as you made it, probably not.
SPEAKER_01 (35:06):
As soon as I made it, well, no, I mean, it's one
of those things where you knowyou have certain routines in how
you make passwords.
So then you assume, did I dothat?
No, I that didn't.
And then you try something else.
And then you reset the password.
And then it ends up being youcan't reset the password to the
same password you used before,and you went, I knew that was
the one.
(35:27):
So then, you know.
Anyway, passwords are funny, andI hope the technology gets
better.
I don't care if we, you know,what we use, but the physical
password will change probably infive years.
Alright.
I'm gonna dr I'm gonna drink toit.
I know I have all the time.
You got to.
They're they're two part of ourlives and next one.
SPEAKER_00 (35:49):
Never have I ever tried turning it off and on
again like a professional ITwizard.
Just let me know when you'reready for the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (35:57):
I feel like that goes with the other one.
SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
That kind of goes with the other one.
SPEAKER_02 (36:00):
Um turning off, turning back on.
SPEAKER_01 (36:02):
Yeah.
Alright, we're just gonna moveon to the next one.
Yeah.
No both.
Alright, next one.
SPEAKER_00 (36:12):
Never have I ever sent a message to the wrong
group chat.
And just let me know when youwant the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (36:20):
A message to the wrong group chat.
I hate group chat messaging.
SPEAKER_01 (36:27):
So I don't I don't like it it's just not my thing.
SPEAKER_02 (36:31):
I will intentionally send a message to the wrong
group chat because I will uhindividually send a message as
opposed to the channel.
SPEAKER_01 (36:37):
Yeah, and people expect to hear the whole thing
where I send it to themindividually.
I I'm just very particular aboutthat communique, if you will.
So, alright.
Um, I don't even know how toanswer that one.
Alright, we're gonna move on.
I think that's number eight.
We'll we'll try to get we'll tryto get 13, and you know if it's
(36:57):
wrong when you listen to it,then hey, at least I know you
listened.
Next one!
SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
Never have I ever Googled an error message word
for word.
Just let me know when you'reready for the next one.
SPEAKER_01 (37:12):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:13):
I mean you you you never have I ever installed an
update, only to realize I wasnow late to a meeting.
Just let me know when you wantthe next one.
SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
I didn't ask you for another one.
SPEAKER_02 (37:23):
Installed an update.
What?
SPEAKER_01 (37:27):
We're having technical difficulties.
SPEAKER_02 (37:30):
He's he's doubling up on us.
We can't do that.
No, it's uh Googled an errormessage, absolutely.
Yeah, I mean I mean, how else doyou learn any information from
your go your error message?
SPEAKER_01 (37:43):
You have to, and the the thing that gets me is when
you Google it, and it ends uptaking you to there's always
like the customer portal becausethey want you know the people
that use the products toactually be their own IT
support.
So they will, you know, this iswhat I dealt with.
So then you Google it and yourealize the date was 2006, and
(38:05):
you're like, what else 19 yearsago?
This probably isn't even gonnahelp me.
You know?
SPEAKER_02 (38:10):
So um I'm sure there's been some updates.
SPEAKER_01 (38:13):
I know, it's it's like, no, this is not worth the
search.
I I please, has someone ever hadthis issue that I've dealt with?
Was there an what was the otherone he said?
We're just gonna ignore that.
I know we talked about theGoogle thing, and then you
mentioned something else.
SPEAKER_02 (38:26):
I'm the goldfish, so that's not that's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
Alright.
I think we're at 10 if we ignorethe yellow one, so we'll get
three more and we're we're gonnawe're gonna let y'all go, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (38:35):
Let y'all go.
SPEAKER_01 (38:36):
Okay.
Alright, um, next one please.
SPEAKER_00 (38:42):
Never have I ever panicked when the Wi-Fi went out
and suddenly felt completely cutoff from the world.
And just let me know when youwant the final one.
SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
I mean, when it cuts out, you're like, oh shoot.
And then sometimes it's like,hey, this is nice.
SPEAKER_02 (38:56):
There's a pleasantness.
SPEAKER_01 (38:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:58):
Well, and it it actually depends on the day.
SPEAKER_01 (39:02):
Yeah, it does.
If you gotta get the homeworkdone or if you gotta do the
floor.
There's just a lot to do whenyou first get home.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (39:07):
And for some reason the rain and the Wi-Fi have some
sort of connection that I haveno concept of.
SPEAKER_01 (39:15):
I I don't either, but that is the reason why I
think the droid is messing upbecause anytime it rains a
little bit, it's like all of asudden your Wi-Fi connection's
gone.
SPEAKER_02 (39:25):
And then my phone goes off the top.
It's always when you really justgotta go ahead and get something
done.
SPEAKER_01 (39:31):
Always which is Murphy's love.
SPEAKER_02 (39:34):
Set yourself up and now we're not working.
That's right.
Um, as far as you know, yes,there are times where I'd, you
know, at night or something likethat.
Sure, you can go off.
SPEAKER_01 (39:46):
Whatever, I'm done.
SPEAKER_02 (39:47):
Then it bothered me anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (39:49):
So I guess we can.
SPEAKER_02 (39:50):
The Wi-Fi doesn't bother me anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
So I guess I'm not really drunk in the net.
We're not gonna panic.
It's actually a welcomesurprise.
Alright, another one.
SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
Never have I ever printed something and had
absolutely no idea where theprinter put it.
And that should be the last one.
Let me know if there's anythingelse you need.
SPEAKER_01 (40:10):
Oh, so now he knows how to keep count.
SPEAKER_02 (40:12):
Well, we do have multiple printers that are
wireless, they're different.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
You're exactly right.
SPEAKER_02 (40:17):
And then all of a sudden it ends up in this, like
I got a good story on that, butyou go ahead.
This library that is apparentlynever gonna get printed because
you've gotten rid of thatprinter and now it's just it's
just there and it's hanging.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
Can you imagine like that printer that you sent it
to?
And I realize this can't happen,but just hang with me.
So you're printing to thisprinter you got rid of, but you
sold it in the church yard sale,and then a year later the people
that bought it hook it up, plugit into the wall, hook it to the
Wi-Fi, and 247 pages come out,and they're like, oh, it's
(40:53):
possessed.
SPEAKER_02 (40:54):
Why is this dissertation coming?
It makes no sense.
SPEAKER_01 (40:57):
And I realize it can't happen, but in my world,
if my life were a cartoon, thatwould be or a sitcom.
Or a sitcom.
No, but I have experiencedwhere, like from my laptop,
printed it to my printer at homeand didn't, you know, and went,
oh crap, I'm sorry.
(41:17):
I need to print it to the onehere, and I print it.
Don't think about removing itfrom the queue of the other one.
I walk in the door and then itstarts printing because now it's
connected.
And I'm like, I didn't need twocopies, but so yeah, anyway, so
alright, we'll drink to thatone, I'm sure.
Right, we'll drink to that one.
SPEAKER_02 (41:34):
Uh unfortunately, uh in the rehearsal, setting
everything up and the rehearsaland everything when one of his
questions was never have I everrage quit from a printer jam.
SPEAKER_01 (41:49):
Yes, exactly.
That was kind of funny.
SPEAKER_02 (41:50):
That one was a little funnier than this
particular printer one.
SPEAKER_01 (41:53):
So I think some people don't realize we
sometimes have a conversationwith it.
SPEAKER_02 (41:56):
You rehearse it.
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
And then we kind of say, look, here's some ideas we
have, what do you think?
And then I say, okay, can werepeat this?
But then he forgets.
He ad libs and does whatever, orhas this changes and rage quit
on the printer, or that's right.
SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
Really at least if nothing else, visualizing the
printer flying through thewindow.
SPEAKER_01 (42:16):
Um that helps me.
I'm getting office space fiveson Facebook.
SPEAKER_02 (42:19):
Yes, very often.
Oh, office space makes so muchsense when they're starting to
you know beat the popular withbaseball bats.
I love it.
It's like my favorite scene.
SPEAKER_01 (42:28):
Everyone should understand that.
So well, um, I think we justwent ahead and uh played the
game, or it played us.
I haven't, you know, it's that'sthat's for you to judge, but you
just keep moving.
Um yeah, I I think uh, you know,and we might we're gonna have
some other games in futureepisodes.
(42:49):
And in a prior episode, wementioned how some of the games
we played, this one not beingone, because it was supposed to
be specific things, not a randomgenerated thing.
But they they were pretty fun.
And if you go to our website andyou click on the whole podcast
link, there at the bottom wekind of have a section where you
(43:11):
can copy the source code, if youwill, the prompt.
And if you plug that into yourAI, you should be able to play
some of the games that we havedone in previous episodes.
So just kind of letting you knowthat.
Uh, we ready to wrap up, youthink?
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (43:27):
Alright, so hey, what we appreciate the comments
from everybody.
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that hitting our wire togetheraccount, that lets them know,
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Check out, of course, theprevious podcast, but we got
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We haven't either yet almost Christmas.
This is yeah, these are someinteresting um kind of your your
tech geek fanatic gifts.
Um so anybody that you reallyhave no idea what to buy for,
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So it's October, Walmart has Christmas trees up,
Christmas is on the way.
Go ahead and take a peek and uhunplugging for now, but always
stay connected.
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