In this episode of Wired Together, Jason and Melanie get candid about the highs, lows, and hilarity of running a business as a married couple. From stepping on each other’s toes (literally and figuratively) to the unexpected moments that reminded them why they do what they do, they share real stories from their journey with WinternetWeb.
You’ll hear how they balance their different strengths, navigate disagreements (spoiler: it’s easier to argue with your spouse than a coworker), and stay grounded with a shared philosophy of service. They also talk about what makes working with rural and small-town businesses so meaningful—and why building relationships matters just as much as building websites.
Whether you're a fellow business owner, a creative couple, or just here for the laughs, you’ll find something relatable in this behind-the-scenes look.
🎧 Wired Together is produced by WinternetWeb Technologies, a family-run web design and tech studio based in Bracey, Virginia.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:05):
So welcome to Winternet Wibs um podcast wired
together with Melanie Winter andJason Winter.
Using our radio voices.
SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
Right.
That's not a cute, didn't it?
SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
Um, and we asked, we decided today to ask AI to ask
us questions.
So we gave a bit of a prompt ofthe importance of small business
and how they operate in today'ssociety.
And so a couple of questions gotpushed out of that um prompt.
SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
And so we're gonna read the question and give it a
little answer.
SPEAKER_00 (00:43):
So no AI voice today, just kind of a pre We
started trying to do that and wewere like, okay, it's rattling
off too much, so let's just goahead and jot it down and move
forward.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
So yes.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
All right.
SPEAKER_01 (00:56):
Sometimes you have to give it brevity.
SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Alright, so the first questionhere, uh, let's look at it.
It said, What strengths do eachof you bring to the business?
And how do you keep fromstepping on each other's toes?
Alright, y'all.
This uh this might be our lastepisode, depending on how bad
this goes down, but uh um well,I figured we start with the
(01:22):
strengths.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Uh and so I obviously um I figured we'd
answer for each other.
The biggest strength we have inour business is um, you know,
Jason has a a huge pl plethoraof knowledge on um the
computers, computer industry,um, what's coming up next, uh
(01:45):
pretty much can touch it.
It fixes itself, which really,really, really weird.
Um, he's got a one with with thethe wires kind of thing going on
for him.
So that is a huge strength.
That talent is um absolutelybeen what made the business,
what started the business, um,you know, so that's yeah, I'd I
(02:10):
guess to that he he's thetalent.
I'm the the agent, if you will.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
That's not necessarily fully true.
I mean, yes, I'm familiar withcomputers and I've messed with
them for for far too long thatI'm going to talk about, but I
will say, and she said, yeah, Istarted the business, and when
things were going, it is nowherenear where it is now, and I
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desperately needed her to be apart of it, and we had to go
full-time to make that possible.
Um and I guess it's kind of likeMelanie has a lot of strengths
that are more difficult for me.
(02:57):
Um, a lot of it coming withthinking in a bigger picture and
also kind of connecting, I don'twant to say connecting with him
humanity.
I can connect with humanity.
I guess it's in the scope ofsometimes I have to get into a
zone and she has to bring me outof it or encourage me to go into
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the zone when needed.
She's uh definitely thecreative.
She's the one that can look at aproject, really pull from people
what they need, help sketch upsome ideas with the design,
knowing what we're able to do,and um that collaboration, I
(03:42):
think, is just completely vital.
Um she she helps pull me out ofone of Deered Headlights.
Um sometimes prods me and goes,Okay, well, this project here,
you know, what do you think theyneed?
I'm like, I'm not sure.
She's like, Well, maybe you callthem or I'll call them and
we'll, you know, it because youget to a stage where you need
(04:04):
some feedback, and she's she'sexcellent at that.
And um I we couldn't be where weare with just me.
SPEAKER_01 (04:12):
Um it's we would definitely not have even started
if it was just me.
So it's one of those it's gottabe it's gotta be both.
So, yes, does that lead toarguments?
SPEAKER_00 (04:23):
Well, yeah, I mean, we're we're married and we work
for it.
Hilarious.
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Um, so stepping on each other's toes is one thing
that we um it is very difficult,and of course we've worked in
other industries, um, to to havea a beef or concern or uh and
bring that to a coworker thatyou're trying to establish in a
(04:48):
relationship with the you're youknow, it's very difficult to do
that.
The thing about being a mom andpop is it is not difficult to
argue with your spouse.
That is an automatic, it islike, you know, you're just kind
of chucking along and then didyou do that?
You know, so it's yeah, I thinkthe freedom of the argument is
(05:11):
actually a really nice thingbecause it's not bad for us.
I mean, you know, we we've hadchildren and and bought a house
together, which is probably morethan being married because it's
a lot more paperwork.
Um you know, we we've had uh 21years of of marriage and and um
(05:32):
a life together.
So yeah, it's not hard to todisagree and say, you know, hey,
this is not working for me.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
Yeah, I need to think about it that way because
when if people argue in theworkplace, there's always a
restraint of, well, you know,I'm just I'm not gonna say that.
Um I don't want to offend them.
I don't want to.
Ster any comments or I don'twant the HR director to call me
to the office because I saidsomething that I probably
(06:01):
shouldn't have said.
And I will tell you, there havebeen conversations that we have
had that probably, you know, I Iwouldn't been called today HR
director, but it's like this ismy wife, and it's not my uh you
know, employee, you know.
So that does give you a littlefreedom because you're able to
have the really crucialimportant conversations, either
(06:23):
being aware of the approach jumpright into the dig of the
matter, you know, and we knoweach other well enough.
And that does make you betterbecause you're able to get that
put aside.
Um yeah, I didn't see that onecoming, but thanks, AI.
(06:43):
Well, let's uh because we copiedand pasted these and we tried
not to really look at them.
So um okay, here's another one.
Do you want to read the nextone?
SPEAKER_01 (06:52):
Um, okay.
Do you have a moment wheresomething went hilariously wrong
in your business?
Uh but looking back has broughtyou closer.
Um I guess my answer to thatwould be when we first started
uh very, very early, um thereeverything was hand-coated.
(07:17):
Uh we we have since you knowbeen able to buy into a lot of
different software that uh givesus freedom, but also um, you
know, it's not the blinkingcursor hand-coded concept at the
same time.
So um, but at one point it wasit was starting with a blinking
cursor and writing code.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
That was the time then for the movie.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (07:39):
I mean, that was the there was so um and so there was
a point in time where it tookhours to find a semicolon.
SPEAKER_00 (07:50):
Oh, I see where you're going.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
And so that was um, of course, the all the code is
is Jason, that is not me.
Um I am one of those, you know,um, okay, we need this to pop,
or we need this color, or weneed to, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (08:07):
We address this differently organizing.
SPEAKER_01 (08:09):
This is how we need to organize it for the the
navigation.
Yeah, but for for Jason, it'sit's the code.
So I don't I can see lines ofcode, it looks like hieroglyphs,
you know.
Um it's like what part of Egyptis this from?
And so he was digging throughthese lines of code and and
pyramid, man.
It what ended up being missing asc the semicolon.
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
One semicolon broke the whole thing.
SPEAKER_01 (08:32):
And when he finally found it, I think it would it
gave me a lot of clarity on whatI thought it we both thought it
was hilarious because it was sosmall.
Yeah, but it took a couple days.
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
Yeah, because when you have pieces of code that
didn't reference other pieces ofcode, you're digging through and
you're not sure what necessarilytripped it.
With the tools we have now, it'seasier to find, but you know.
SPEAKER_01 (08:55):
I feel like it it gave me a lot of uh it brought
us closer because it gave me alot of clarity of what it was
that you were really doing, youknow, and and how intricate that
whole process was.
SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
Just a semicolon.
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
Right.
That something like that canbreak the whole thing.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
The hide and go seek champion since 1953.
Um Yeah.
And it's we started, of course,like she's saying, with all
code, and you that that doesgive us advantage being able to
tweak and modify, and I use theword hack, hack lovingly.
You know, white hat hack in hereum to make things work.
(09:33):
And but we've moved on toindustry standard tools just
because uh compatibility and itworks so much better with a lot
of things.
If we had to design somethingfrom the ground up to work with
a lot of these things now, um Imean it it would be ridiculous.
(09:53):
So you know, it makes us havingthat background, I think, has
been really important to ourability to not be like, okay,
well, this asks us for A, B, andC, but they want D.
You can't have that.
No, uh we can find a way.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
Yeah, we don't it's good that we can't we don't need
to tell the client you can't.
SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Um and we um I guess you don't have to tell me you
can't, because there it'susually my You look at you and
say, I've seen what you've done,will you do it?
Right, that big ridiculous idea,like, can we do this?
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
And it's like oh it's like I know you can.
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
I have faith in you.
So um it it gives us a lot of ofum freedom.
Flexibility.
Flexibility.
Yeah, flexibility.
That's a better word.
SPEAKER_00 (10:41):
Flexibility, so um something hilariously wrong.
Uh the think about another timewhen it it certainly was
hilarious, and it kind of wentwrong for me because we're
(11:01):
working on a website um for alocal uh what do you what do you
call it?
A trail?
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
The haunted trail?
SPEAKER_00 (11:15):
Haunted trail, yes, the haunted trail.
Well, we can say their name.
It's Pappy's Haunty Trail, andwe um were working on their
website.
Fabulous idea.
And we were really excited.
Melanie came up with an idea.
See, again, she's the one thatcomes up with something and
says, Can we do this?
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Crazy idea.
Yeah, well, we didn't split intoyou having to do my crazy ideas.
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
No, I know.
Well, I mean, it would have beenfine, but I um so her idea was
okay, you're on a website, andyes, we know that, but think of
it as if you're going to awebsite for haunted trail, why
not create part of theexperience of that on the
website itself?
So as you're navigating, and ifyou've been to a haunted trail,
(11:56):
and I've been to maybe one in mylife, and nothing against what
they do, but um I I don't Idon't like the scary things.
Um make the experience in such away that as you're navigating
stuff pops out at you.
And so I hand-coated um theselittle icons that if your cursor
(12:20):
or finger with you know mobilewere to hit, it brings up an
experience.
So of course, you know, with anycoding there is trial and error,
and there was a lot of error,meaning this thing was popping
up when it shouldn't have, or Iforgot it was there trying to do
(12:41):
something else and it would jumpout at me.
SPEAKER_01 (12:43):
So pretty much every the whole time he's working on
it is like no, not that why whyare you doing that?
SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Yeah, there might have been some bad words there
too.
SPEAKER_01 (12:53):
He he was talking to the the website a lot.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Yeah, and alright, I'll self-disclose.
She had to go run an errand umand get back to the house.
And um, I'm in I'm like deep inthe zone working on this all by
myself.
And there was a time where I'mlike, um, so you're you're
you're leaving?
She's like, yeah.
I'm like, can you wait like 15minutes that I can leave with
(13:17):
you?
I felt like the little boy thatwas afraid, you know, had to
turn on the light to run downthe stairs or something, or you
know, the the dark hallway.
But it, you know, it that thatthat that was quite funny.
SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
And um brought us closer in proximity.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Right in proximity.
SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
Oh, I'm just gonna hang with you for a minute.
SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
Yep.
All right, what else we got?
SPEAKER_01 (13:40):
Uh yes.
So, next question.
What's a project or clientexperience that really made you
say, This is why we do this?
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
Yeah, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
That's a great question.
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
And we have a lot of experiences where you know
sometimes someone will beleaving, we say that all the
time.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
And it's like, you know, and that's we've met so
many, I mean, amazing, wonderfulpeople.
New businesses are so they'revery excited.
SPEAKER_00 (14:07):
There's a lot of energy.
Yeah, you can I want to do thisand it's excited.
SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Yes, you know, this is like part of their new
business and what they want toreally accomplish with it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:18):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
Um, and then of course we have older businesses
that are just you know needing arework and that sort of thing.
They've they've gotten a websitebefore, but they really know
what they're doing, they'reestablished.
Right.
Um, somewhat recently.
Okay, you got some we have umhad a an artist that uh had
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spent about 20 years trying tofind a designer that would be
able to help him understand ornot understand, but help him put
his scope of art online in a waythat was actually a good
experience.
Um his art is massive.
SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
Yeah.
So we're talking more likephysical sculptory type stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (15:09):
Um so like what one of them, the largest is about 45
feet, was that?
SPEAKER_03 (15:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
Um, so that that was very large uh scoped art.
So hard to put something likethat online without being able
to really visualize what's goingon.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:28):
And I guess also his challenge, just as big as the
scope of the actual art pieces,was the commentary.
And a lot of times there therewere sketches and proposals that
were part of, and when you thinkabout, yes, you have the final
product, but really the art isin the full package of how it
was put together.
In the draw out, the story ofthat in itself.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
So we had had the challenge of creating all of
this art in kind of a story formthat allowed each piece of art
to um ha tell its own story.
And so, and it was it was a verylarge project, a very um it we
had to sit there and really justkind of put our head into it and
(16:10):
figure it out.
Yeah, how do you and how do younavigate this through with uh in
a very pleasant experience,right?
SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
Almost like a museum in itself.
How do you segment and walksomeone through the different
parts without gettingoverwhelmed?
SPEAKER_01 (16:22):
And and the final product, and the again, he
waited 20 years to find someonethat could really show this off
in the right way.
And the final product I feellike was just incredible, and
and thankfully he did as well.
Right, because it wouldn't havebeen worth it without that, but
um, and it was you know reallysomething you could walk away
(16:44):
being very proud of.
Yeah, and so the the why we dothis kind of feeling of you
know, that was that was a bigundertaking for what he needed
and and the listening that ittook to get there and um and
then being able to put somethingout there and it's like this is
it, this is why.
(17:05):
Because, you know, it it's to doa website, you know, you don't
always have that listener on theother end that's you know, well
look tell me about yourbusiness.
Sure.
Or tell me about your art, tellme about something, you know,
tell me about you.
I need to know um all the insand outs so that I can, you
know, help you put this togetherin a way that's really
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showcasing the the you insidethe business.
SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
And and it really when you're everything is said
and done, it in this case thisbecomes almost like a portfolio
and almost like a biography.
In his case, an autobiography.
He presented all theinformation, so it really
creates a legacy that here's theculminating piece that
represents my life's work, andit's it's that's not something
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you want to just oh well.
And you know, we've had somepeople with a similar project,
and they call us and he said,Yeah, well, this other company,
they you know they said, Well,just give me the stuff and we'll
put it together and all thiskind of you know, but it's a
story, and you're not justsitting there and copy and
pasting and throwing stufftogether.
You really need to get down intowhere's the personality of this
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individual in how it'spresented.
Um so I'm I'm I'm glad I'm gladwe we crossed paths, and I mean
it was a very uh enjoyablewebsite to make.
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
Yes.
And what that's one thing aboutall of our clients, we we enjoy
the personality, yeah.
Um, we're not uh uh set in onepersonality type kind of kind of
people.
We enjoy everyone, yeah, and andevery walk of life, and that's
the rich nature, uh, especiallyin in our little area.
We have so many people, yeah,they're coming from a lot of
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different backgrounds.
Um and so we get to learn abunch of this amazing stories
and these yeah, cool things thatindustries you never would learn
things about, but it's like Ihad no idea, and that's
exciting.
And when they're excited, thatexcitement goes into the design
process, yes, and that's part ofthe personality that we love to
(19:08):
have that shine as witheverything we make, so right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
Yeah, well, these questions so far have been
really good.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
Yeah, he's a did he, I keep saying he.
AI is very thoughtful.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
He's a male voice, yeah.
We can change that.
But yeah, anyway.
Um, is there a philosophy orguiding principle that drives
how you approach web design orclient service?
SPEAKER_01 (19:38):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean, after doing this this long, you kind
of have to have your own, youknow, reasons.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
And I was in style.
Um I feel like the easy answeris we're we have developed a
process or a style that's calledwhat we call turnkey.
SPEAKER_03 (20:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
So um just in like hiring contractors to build a
house, we will um obviously notas expensive as a house, but
still um, but it is a great aproject, and um, so we base it
off of the project itself, andthen it is completely 100% full
service.
So um service is definitely umyou get that based on that
(20:25):
project price.
And so um at the end, you'reholding the keys.
SPEAKER_00 (20:31):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
So if you want to be the one that, you know, um
whatever level of you knowinterest you have, if you want
to be the one that's that'sadding to, um, if you need us to
just kind of add every once in awhile, that sort of thing.
Right.
Um, but that's based on, youknow, kind of your needs.
And so the whole thing is basedon what you need, where you need
(20:52):
your bathroom to go, or you needthe um, you know, the the layout
to be, how many bedrooms, youknow, so it's all based on like
your uh business type yourvision, yeah.
The vision, what what's neededas far as the um the larger
picture, are we doinge-commerce, are we doing you
know um some sort of biggerdatabase, or are we doing
(21:17):
something more of a brochure?
SPEAKER_03 (21:18):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (21:19):
And so the but the whole thing is one project, and
then um, you know, we do all ofthe parts.
So we can write the copy, wecan, you know, um, we do the
design if you I mean we ofcourse any input is absolutely
you know necessary as as anybodywould you but we've had some
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clients that you know havealmost no input, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (21:44):
Yeah, they just say, Look, I just I know you know
what I'm doing.
Go ahead and we're gonna go fromthere.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
And and it's like cool.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
And so it's completely open book of you
know, okay, now we're kind ofthe one putting it together and
and figuring out the navigationprocess.
Yeah.
And then we'll have other peoplea little more, you know, okay,
this is exactly what I needhere, here, and here.
Um, these are the colors, thisis what I, you know, and and
this is the vision I'm lookingfor.
(22:11):
And um, and so we take that andwe, you know, put it together
that way.
So it it's really based on, youknow, um and there's no one way
that's right.
SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
It really comes to the personality of the
individual and you know theirdesires.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:27):
I mean, I I like both because one is just it's a
complete nutter freedom, butthen you you also have the
caveat of okay, I have nodirection.
Yeah, and how and then the otherdirection, and then you know, so
if you need to steer a differentdirection to make it work, you
(22:48):
might have to, you know, okay,let's have this conversation to
see if this works for you aswell.
So it's it's kind of justdepends on the um that one's
really got too much, didn't uhum.
SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
No, I mean, I mean, but but you're right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:04):
Uh turnkey style getting to know the client is um
and and being um intimatelyinvolved in the in the business
of you know what are you tryingto to put online, you know,
really getting to know eachbusiness.
So um that has been so freakingcool.
It has because there's so manydifferent types of businesses
(23:26):
that you didn't even thinkabout.
And no project you never learneda piece about it, and then all
of a sudden you're digging deepinto like waste management, you
know?
No projects.
Wow, this is fascinating.
SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
I had no idea, you know, into waste management.
SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
Well, it it is there's several, you know,
there's so many different smallbusinesses out there.
SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
Oh, you're right, you're exactly right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
Um, and you know, we also do uh civics and say, you
know, organizations and thingslike that.
So there's so many differenttypes of industry out there that
you can do and learn from.
And so just digging deep andlearning these things has been
just phenomenal.
SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
It is fascinating for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
And and we don't want to just like we want to
learn it.
We want to we want to really diginto okay, why how do we put
this business out there?
SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
And we don't want our process to be limiting.
So it's not like okay, we dothis and now we do this, you
know.
It's let the project kind ofspeak for itself and kind of
guide us in how we draw it outand bring it along.
SPEAKER_01 (24:28):
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
Yeah.
That was a big one.
Okay, and I think we got onemore here.
SPEAKER_01 (24:33):
Heady heady.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Oh, it's what makes working with small town and
rural businesses special foryou?
Okay, AI certainly understandsour scope and everything.
SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
Um well, for one, but not everything is small town
and rural.
Um so we can actually, and andwe have, um we've done um work
for people uh overseas.
Um in Jamaica, that was so cool.
SPEAKER_03 (25:01):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Um we've uh you know, in was it somewhere in
England?
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Good England.
SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
Um, so we could be, you know, Virginia Beach and and
um other areas in Virginia we'veworked in, uh North Carolina.
Um so we we can kind of go uhTexas.
SPEAKER_03 (25:19):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
They're all popping out now.
Yeah.
Um but in in other words, it'snot uh the the online atmosphere
makes it really easy to doanything anywhere um when it
comes to something like this.
Um but yes, our we are as asmall town rural business and
working a very closely with umour own area.
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:42):
Um I mean it's home.
SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
It is, it is home.
Um in the same way, you know,we're wired together, and you
know, there are other smallbusinesses that we have found
where it is, you know, husband,wife, and so you kind of get to
meet your own.
Yeah, and it is a little bitmore common here than in larger
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areas.
Oftentimes people are part oflarger industries and
corporations, and it's thatentrepreneurial here's my idea,
you know, the whole Americanspirit of let's make it happen.
SPEAKER_01 (26:19):
We're still very, very mom and pop here.
It's not hard to have I mean toto find mom and pop, yeah, you
know, and um that is uh the thatkind of working with our people,
the people who are just a partof um our industry as far as the
(26:42):
the mom and pop business, youknow, the it's really been quite
helpful because you know wetotally get each other.
Yeah, we do, you know, um, andbeing able to kind of slightly
commiserate and or um you knowsee the the struggles of the
(27:03):
other.
Yeah, we understand theshortcut.
I get it, I get it, you know.
And um it's it's really it kindof becomes your own support
group.
But yeah, it's like a supportgroup and um such a labor of a
labor of love with our people asfar as our area, our our town.
Um we use the word town veryloosely, right?
(27:25):
But you know, our we have a a alarger rural area, it's not just
a town, but the the whole areathat um we're very close and and
we love each you know the thepeople that we love each other
and in a very family way, verymuch so um we would we would do
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a lot for each other, and and Ithink that that's very clear
when it comes to working in eachother's businesses and and doing
and and supporting each other.
We want to make sure that's thethe cool thing about small
business.
We all need to do very well.
SPEAKER_00 (28:03):
Yeah, we do.
SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
There is no competition as far as families
or something.
You know, it we all need to dowell.
SPEAKER_00 (28:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
But to to push all of us up.
SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
Yeah, I mean, even you know, any business that is
doing well helps the area, helpsthe service of the area, helps
the reputation, helps others,you know, do well.
SPEAKER_01 (28:24):
Um so it's a this big, you know, you got a bunch
of cheerleaders.
SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
Yeah, you do.
SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
And that's fun.
Um it's nice to be kind of apart of that little group.
SPEAKER_00 (28:33):
Right, definitely.
Wow, these these are some reallygood questions we had.
And um we just thought it wouldbe neat to do this segment, and
you know, we try to drop AI asour third chair into the segment
in some way.
And a lot a lot to think about.
SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
You know AI getting deep.
SPEAKER_00 (28:58):
Yeah, getting deep.
SPEAKER_01 (28:59):
Maybe true deep.
SPEAKER_00 (29:00):
I mean, some of the some of those, I'm sorry, some
of those probably had us ramble,but I mean, look.
SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
I do, I feel rambly, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
No, but I mean it's you know, when you have sit back
and reflect and try to pull allthis out, it's uh you know it
really makes you think at thesame time.
Some of these answers you justdon't have.
Oh, here's why.
You know, it just kind of reallymakes you dig into why you do it
and right.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
It's not canned by any means.
SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
And um so this was a good idea, babe.
Um all right, so I think that'sprobably gonna do it for this
episode here on Wired Together.
So unplugging for now.
SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
But always stay connected.
So welcome to Winternet Wibs um podcast wired
together with Melanie Winter andJason Winter.
Using our radio voices.
SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
Right.
That's not a cute, didn't it?
SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
Um, and we asked, we decided today to ask AI to ask
us questions.
So we gave a bit of a prompt ofthe importance of small business
and how they operate in today'ssociety.
And so a couple of questions gotpushed out of that um prompt.
SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
And so we're gonna read the question and give it a
little answer.
SPEAKER_00 (00:43):
So no AI voice today, just kind of a pre We
started trying to do that and wewere like, okay, it's rattling
off too much, so let's just goahead and jot it down and move
forward.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
So yes.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
All right.
SPEAKER_01 (00:56):
Sometimes you have to give it brevity.
SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Alright, so the first questionhere, uh, let's look at it.
It said, What strengths do eachof you bring to the business?
And how do you keep fromstepping on each other's toes?
Alright, y'all.
This uh this might be our lastepisode, depending on how bad
this goes down, but uh um well,I figured we start with the
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strengths.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Uh and so I obviously um I figured we'd
answer for each other.
The biggest strength we have inour business is um, you know,
Jason has a a huge pl plethoraof knowledge on um the
computers, computer industry,um, what's coming up next, uh
(01:45):
pretty much can touch it.
It fixes itself, which really,really, really weird.
Um, he's got a one with with thethe wires kind of thing going on
for him.
So that is a huge strength.
That talent is um absolutelybeen what made the business,
what started the business, um,you know, so that's yeah, I'd I
(02:10):
guess to that he he's thetalent.
I'm the the agent, if you will.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
That's not necessarily fully true.
I mean, yes, I'm familiar withcomputers and I've messed with
them for for far too long thatI'm going to talk about, but I
will say, and she said, yeah, Istarted the business, and when
things were going, it is nowherenear where it is now, and I
(02:37):
desperately needed her to be apart of it, and we had to go
full-time to make that possible.
Um and I guess it's kind of likeMelanie has a lot of strengths
that are more difficult for me.
(02:57):
Um, a lot of it coming withthinking in a bigger picture and
also kind of connecting, I don'twant to say connecting with him
humanity.
I can connect with humanity.
I guess it's in the scope ofsometimes I have to get into a
zone and she has to bring me outof it or encourage me to go into
(03:20):
the zone when needed.
She's uh definitely thecreative.
She's the one that can look at aproject, really pull from people
what they need, help sketch upsome ideas with the design,
knowing what we're able to do,and um that collaboration, I
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think, is just completely vital.
Um she she helps pull me out ofone of Deered Headlights.
Um sometimes prods me and goes,Okay, well, this project here,
you know, what do you think theyneed?
I'm like, I'm not sure.
She's like, Well, maybe you callthem or I'll call them and
we'll, you know, it because youget to a stage where you need
(04:04):
some feedback, and she's she'sexcellent at that.
And um I we couldn't be where weare with just me.
SPEAKER_01 (04:12):
Um it's we would definitely not have even started
if it was just me.
So it's one of those it's gottabe it's gotta be both.
So, yes, does that lead toarguments?
SPEAKER_00 (04:23):
Well, yeah, I mean, we're we're married and we work
for it.
Hilarious.
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Um, so stepping on each other's toes is one thing
that we um it is very difficult,and of course we've worked in
other industries, um, to to havea a beef or concern or uh and
bring that to a coworker thatyou're trying to establish in a
(04:48):
relationship with the you're youknow, it's very difficult to do
that.
The thing about being a mom andpop is it is not difficult to
argue with your spouse.
That is an automatic, it islike, you know, you're just kind
of chucking along and then didyou do that?
You know, so it's yeah, I thinkthe freedom of the argument is
(05:11):
actually a really nice thingbecause it's not bad for us.
I mean, you know, we we've hadchildren and and bought a house
together, which is probably morethan being married because it's
a lot more paperwork.
Um you know, we we've had uh 21years of of marriage and and um
(05:32):
a life together.
So yeah, it's not hard to todisagree and say, you know, hey,
this is not working for me.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
Yeah, I need to think about it that way because
when if people argue in theworkplace, there's always a
restraint of, well, you know,I'm just I'm not gonna say that.
Um I don't want to offend them.
I don't want to.
Ster any comments or I don'twant the HR director to call me
to the office because I saidsomething that I probably
(06:01):
shouldn't have said.
And I will tell you, there havebeen conversations that we have
had that probably, you know, I Iwouldn't been called today HR
director, but it's like this ismy wife, and it's not my uh you
know, employee, you know.
So that does give you a littlefreedom because you're able to
have the really crucialimportant conversations, either
(06:23):
being aware of the approach jumpright into the dig of the
matter, you know, and we knoweach other well enough.
And that does make you betterbecause you're able to get that
put aside.
Um yeah, I didn't see that onecoming, but thanks, AI.
(06:43):
Well, let's uh because we copiedand pasted these and we tried
not to really look at them.
So um okay, here's another one.
Do you want to read the nextone?
SPEAKER_01 (06:52):
Um, okay.
Do you have a moment wheresomething went hilariously wrong
in your business?
Uh but looking back has broughtyou closer.
Um I guess my answer to thatwould be when we first started
uh very, very early, um thereeverything was hand-coated.
(07:17):
Uh we we have since you knowbeen able to buy into a lot of
different software that uh givesus freedom, but also um, you
know, it's not the blinkingcursor hand-coded concept at the
same time.
So um, but at one point it wasit was starting with a blinking
cursor and writing code.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
That was the time then for the movie.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (07:39):
I mean, that was the there was so um and so there was
a point in time where it tookhours to find a semicolon.
SPEAKER_00 (07:50):
Oh, I see where you're going.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
And so that was um, of course, the all the code is
is Jason, that is not me.
Um I am one of those, you know,um, okay, we need this to pop,
or we need this color, or weneed to, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (08:07):
We address this differently organizing.
SPEAKER_01 (08:09):
This is how we need to organize it for the the
navigation.
Yeah, but for for Jason, it'sit's the code.
So I don't I can see lines ofcode, it looks like hieroglyphs,
you know.
Um it's like what part of Egyptis this from?
And so he was digging throughthese lines of code and and
pyramid, man.
It what ended up being missing asc the semicolon.
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
One semicolon broke the whole thing.
SPEAKER_01 (08:32):
And when he finally found it, I think it would it
gave me a lot of clarity on whatI thought it we both thought it
was hilarious because it was sosmall.
Yeah, but it took a couple days.
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
Yeah, because when you have pieces of code that
didn't reference other pieces ofcode, you're digging through and
you're not sure what necessarilytripped it.
With the tools we have now, it'seasier to find, but you know.
SPEAKER_01 (08:55):
I feel like it it gave me a lot of uh it brought
us closer because it gave me alot of clarity of what it was
that you were really doing, youknow, and and how intricate that
whole process was.
SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
Just a semicolon.
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
Right.
That something like that canbreak the whole thing.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
The hide and go seek champion since 1953.
Um Yeah.
And it's we started, of course,like she's saying, with all
code, and you that that doesgive us advantage being able to
tweak and modify, and I use theword hack, hack lovingly.
You know, white hat hack in hereum to make things work.
(09:33):
And but we've moved on toindustry standard tools just
because uh compatibility and itworks so much better with a lot
of things.
If we had to design somethingfrom the ground up to work with
a lot of these things now, um Imean it it would be ridiculous.
(09:53):
So you know, it makes us havingthat background, I think, has
been really important to ourability to not be like, okay,
well, this asks us for A, B, andC, but they want D.
You can't have that.
No, uh we can find a way.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
Yeah, we don't it's good that we can't we don't need
to tell the client you can't.
SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Um and we um I guess you don't have to tell me you
can't, because there it'susually my You look at you and
say, I've seen what you've done,will you do it?
Right, that big ridiculous idea,like, can we do this?
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
And it's like oh it's like I know you can.
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
I have faith in you.
So um it it gives us a lot of ofum freedom.
Flexibility.
Flexibility.
Yeah, flexibility.
That's a better word.
SPEAKER_00 (10:41):
Flexibility, so um something hilariously wrong.
Uh the think about another timewhen it it certainly was
hilarious, and it kind of wentwrong for me because we're
(11:01):
working on a website um for alocal uh what do you what do you
call it?
A trail?
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
The haunted trail?
SPEAKER_00 (11:15):
Haunted trail, yes, the haunted trail.
Well, we can say their name.
It's Pappy's Haunty Trail, andwe um were working on their
website.
Fabulous idea.
And we were really excited.
Melanie came up with an idea.
See, again, she's the one thatcomes up with something and
says, Can we do this?
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Crazy idea.
Yeah, well, we didn't split intoyou having to do my crazy ideas.
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
No, I know.
Well, I mean, it would have beenfine, but I um so her idea was
okay, you're on a website, andyes, we know that, but think of
it as if you're going to awebsite for haunted trail, why
not create part of theexperience of that on the
website itself?
So as you're navigating, and ifyou've been to a haunted trail,
(11:56):
and I've been to maybe one in mylife, and nothing against what
they do, but um I I don't Idon't like the scary things.
Um make the experience in such away that as you're navigating
stuff pops out at you.
And so I hand-coated um theselittle icons that if your cursor
(12:20):
or finger with you know mobilewere to hit, it brings up an
experience.
So of course, you know, with anycoding there is trial and error,
and there was a lot of error,meaning this thing was popping
up when it shouldn't have, or Iforgot it was there trying to do
(12:41):
something else and it would jumpout at me.
SPEAKER_01 (12:43):
So pretty much every the whole time he's working on
it is like no, not that why whyare you doing that?
SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Yeah, there might have been some bad words there
too.
SPEAKER_01 (12:53):
He he was talking to the the website a lot.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Yeah, and alright, I'll self-disclose.
She had to go run an errand umand get back to the house.
And um, I'm in I'm like deep inthe zone working on this all by
myself.
And there was a time where I'mlike, um, so you're you're
you're leaving?
She's like, yeah.
I'm like, can you wait like 15minutes that I can leave with
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you?
I felt like the little boy thatwas afraid, you know, had to
turn on the light to run downthe stairs or something, or you
know, the the dark hallway.
But it, you know, it that thatthat that was quite funny.
SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
And um brought us closer in proximity.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Right in proximity.
SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
Oh, I'm just gonna hang with you for a minute.
SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
Yep.
All right, what else we got?
SPEAKER_01 (13:40):
Uh yes.
So, next question.
What's a project or clientexperience that really made you
say, This is why we do this?
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
Yeah, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
That's a great question.
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
And we have a lot of experiences where you know
sometimes someone will beleaving, we say that all the
time.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
And it's like, you know, and that's we've met so
many, I mean, amazing, wonderfulpeople.
New businesses are so they'revery excited.
SPEAKER_00 (14:07):
There's a lot of energy.
Yeah, you can I want to do thisand it's excited.
SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Yes, you know, this is like part of their new
business and what they want toreally accomplish with it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:18):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
Um, and then of course we have older businesses
that are just you know needing arework and that sort of thing.
They've they've gotten a websitebefore, but they really know
what they're doing, they'reestablished.
Right.
Um, somewhat recently.
Okay, you got some we have umhad a an artist that uh had
(14:45):
spent about 20 years trying tofind a designer that would be
able to help him understand ornot understand, but help him put
his scope of art online in a waythat was actually a good
experience.
Um his art is massive.
SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
Yeah.
So we're talking more likephysical sculptory type stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (15:09):
Um so like what one of them, the largest is about 45
feet, was that?
SPEAKER_03 (15:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
Um, so that that was very large uh scoped art.
So hard to put something likethat online without being able
to really visualize what's goingon.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:28):
And I guess also his challenge, just as big as the
scope of the actual art pieces,was the commentary.
And a lot of times there therewere sketches and proposals that
were part of, and when you thinkabout, yes, you have the final
product, but really the art isin the full package of how it
was put together.
In the draw out, the story ofthat in itself.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
So we had had the challenge of creating all of
this art in kind of a story formthat allowed each piece of art
to um ha tell its own story.
And so, and it was it was a verylarge project, a very um it we
had to sit there and really justkind of put our head into it and
(16:10):
figure it out.
Yeah, how do you and how do younavigate this through with uh in
a very pleasant experience,right?
SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
Almost like a museum in itself.
How do you segment and walksomeone through the different
parts without gettingoverwhelmed?
SPEAKER_01 (16:22):
And and the final product, and the again, he
waited 20 years to find someonethat could really show this off
in the right way.
And the final product I feellike was just incredible, and
and thankfully he did as well.
Right, because it wouldn't havebeen worth it without that, but
um, and it was you know reallysomething you could walk away
(16:44):
being very proud of.
Yeah, and so the the why we dothis kind of feeling of you
know, that was that was a bigundertaking for what he needed
and and the listening that ittook to get there and um and
then being able to put somethingout there and it's like this is
it, this is why.
(17:05):
Because, you know, it it's to doa website, you know, you don't
always have that listener on theother end that's you know, well
look tell me about yourbusiness.
Sure.
Or tell me about your art, tellme about something, you know,
tell me about you.
I need to know um all the insand outs so that I can, you
know, help you put this togetherin a way that's really
(17:27):
showcasing the the you insidethe business.
SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
And and it really when you're everything is said
and done, it in this case thisbecomes almost like a portfolio
and almost like a biography.
In his case, an autobiography.
He presented all theinformation, so it really
creates a legacy that here's theculminating piece that
represents my life's work, andit's it's that's not something
(17:53):
you want to just oh well.
And you know, we've had somepeople with a similar project,
and they call us and he said,Yeah, well, this other company,
they you know they said, Well,just give me the stuff and we'll
put it together and all thiskind of you know, but it's a
story, and you're not justsitting there and copy and
pasting and throwing stufftogether.
You really need to get down intowhere's the personality of this
(18:15):
individual in how it'spresented.
Um so I'm I'm I'm glad I'm gladwe we crossed paths, and I mean
it was a very uh enjoyablewebsite to make.
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
Yes.
And what that's one thing aboutall of our clients, we we enjoy
the personality, yeah.
Um, we're not uh uh set in onepersonality type kind of kind of
people.
We enjoy everyone, yeah, and andevery walk of life, and that's
the rich nature, uh, especiallyin in our little area.
We have so many people, yeah,they're coming from a lot of
(18:48):
different backgrounds.
Um and so we get to learn abunch of this amazing stories
and these yeah, cool things thatindustries you never would learn
things about, but it's like Ihad no idea, and that's
exciting.
And when they're excited, thatexcitement goes into the design
process, yes, and that's part ofthe personality that we love to
(19:08):
have that shine as witheverything we make, so right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
Yeah, well, these questions so far have been
really good.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
Yeah, he's a did he, I keep saying he.
AI is very thoughtful.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
He's a male voice, yeah.
We can change that.
But yeah, anyway.
Um, is there a philosophy orguiding principle that drives
how you approach web design orclient service?
SPEAKER_01 (19:38):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean, after doing this this long, you kind
of have to have your own, youknow, reasons.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
And I was in style.
Um I feel like the easy answeris we're we have developed a
process or a style that's calledwhat we call turnkey.
SPEAKER_03 (20:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
So um just in like hiring contractors to build a
house, we will um obviously notas expensive as a house, but
still um, but it is a great aproject, and um, so we base it
off of the project itself, andthen it is completely 100% full
service.
So um service is definitely umyou get that based on that
(20:25):
project price.
And so um at the end, you'reholding the keys.
SPEAKER_00 (20:31):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
So if you want to be the one that, you know, um
whatever level of you knowinterest you have, if you want
to be the one that's that'sadding to, um, if you need us to
just kind of add every once in awhile, that sort of thing.
Right.
Um, but that's based on, youknow, kind of your needs.
And so the whole thing is basedon what you need, where you need
(20:52):
your bathroom to go, or you needthe um, you know, the the layout
to be, how many bedrooms, youknow, so it's all based on like
your uh business type yourvision, yeah.
The vision, what what's neededas far as the um the larger
picture, are we doinge-commerce, are we doing you
know um some sort of biggerdatabase, or are we doing
(21:17):
something more of a brochure?
SPEAKER_03 (21:18):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (21:19):
And so the but the whole thing is one project, and
then um, you know, we do all ofthe parts.
So we can write the copy, wecan, you know, um, we do the
design if you I mean we ofcourse any input is absolutely
you know necessary as as anybodywould you but we've had some
(21:40):
clients that you know havealmost no input, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (21:44):
Yeah, they just say, Look, I just I know you know
what I'm doing.
Go ahead and we're gonna go fromthere.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
And and it's like cool.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
And so it's completely open book of you
know, okay, now we're kind ofthe one putting it together and
and figuring out the navigationprocess.
Yeah.
And then we'll have other peoplea little more, you know, okay,
this is exactly what I needhere, here, and here.
Um, these are the colors, thisis what I, you know, and and
this is the vision I'm lookingfor.
(22:11):
And um, and so we take that andwe, you know, put it together
that way.
So it it's really based on, youknow, um and there's no one way
that's right.
SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
It really comes to the personality of the
individual and you know theirdesires.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:27):
I mean, I I like both because one is just it's a
complete nutter freedom, butthen you you also have the
caveat of okay, I have nodirection.
Yeah, and how and then the otherdirection, and then you know, so
if you need to steer a differentdirection to make it work, you
(22:48):
might have to, you know, okay,let's have this conversation to
see if this works for you aswell.
So it's it's kind of justdepends on the um that one's
really got too much, didn't uhum.
SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
No, I mean, I mean, but but you're right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:04):
Uh turnkey style getting to know the client is um
and and being um intimatelyinvolved in the in the business
of you know what are you tryingto to put online, you know,
really getting to know eachbusiness.
So um that has been so freakingcool.
It has because there's so manydifferent types of businesses
(23:26):
that you didn't even thinkabout.
And no project you never learneda piece about it, and then all
of a sudden you're digging deepinto like waste management, you
know?
No projects.
Wow, this is fascinating.
SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
I had no idea, you know, into waste management.
SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
Well, it it is there's several, you know,
there's so many different smallbusinesses out there.
SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
Oh, you're right, you're exactly right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
Um, and you know, we also do uh civics and say, you
know, organizations and thingslike that.
So there's so many differenttypes of industry out there that
you can do and learn from.
And so just digging deep andlearning these things has been
just phenomenal.
SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
It is fascinating for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
And and we don't want to just like we want to
learn it.
We want to we want to really diginto okay, why how do we put
this business out there?
SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
And we don't want our process to be limiting.
So it's not like okay, we dothis and now we do this, you
know.
It's let the project kind ofspeak for itself and kind of
guide us in how we draw it outand bring it along.
SPEAKER_01 (24:28):
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
Yeah.
That was a big one.
Okay, and I think we got onemore here.
SPEAKER_01 (24:33):
Heady heady.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Oh, it's what makes working with small town and
rural businesses special foryou?
Okay, AI certainly understandsour scope and everything.
SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
Um well, for one, but not everything is small town
and rural.
Um so we can actually, and andwe have, um we've done um work
for people uh overseas.
Um in Jamaica, that was so cool.
SPEAKER_03 (25:01):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Um we've uh you know, in was it somewhere in
England?
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Good England.
SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
Um, so we could be, you know, Virginia Beach and and
um other areas in Virginia we'veworked in, uh North Carolina.
Um so we we can kind of go uhTexas.
SPEAKER_03 (25:19):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
They're all popping out now.
Yeah.
Um but in in other words, it'snot uh the the online atmosphere
makes it really easy to doanything anywhere um when it
comes to something like this.
Um but yes, our we are as asmall town rural business and
working a very closely with umour own area.
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:42):
Um I mean it's home.
SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
It is, it is home.
Um in the same way, you know,we're wired together, and you
know, there are other smallbusinesses that we have found
where it is, you know, husband,wife, and so you kind of get to
meet your own.
Yeah, and it is a little bitmore common here than in larger
(26:05):
areas.
Oftentimes people are part oflarger industries and
corporations, and it's thatentrepreneurial here's my idea,
you know, the whole Americanspirit of let's make it happen.
SPEAKER_01 (26:19):
We're still very, very mom and pop here.
It's not hard to have I mean toto find mom and pop, yeah, you
know, and um that is uh the thatkind of working with our people,
the people who are just a partof um our industry as far as the
(26:42):
the mom and pop business, youknow, the it's really been quite
helpful because you know wetotally get each other.
Yeah, we do, you know, um, andbeing able to kind of slightly
commiserate and or um you knowsee the the struggles of the
(27:03):
other.
Yeah, we understand theshortcut.
I get it, I get it, you know.
And um it's it's really it kindof becomes your own support
group.
But yeah, it's like a supportgroup and um such a labor of a
labor of love with our people asfar as our area, our our town.
Um we use the word town veryloosely, right?
(27:25):
But you know, our we have a a alarger rural area, it's not just
a town, but the the whole areathat um we're very close and and
we love each you know the thepeople that we love each other
and in a very family way, verymuch so um we would we would do
(27:47):
a lot for each other, and and Ithink that that's very clear
when it comes to working in eachother's businesses and and doing
and and supporting each other.
We want to make sure that's thethe cool thing about small
business.
We all need to do very well.
SPEAKER_00 (28:03):
Yeah, we do.
SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
There is no competition as far as families
or something.
You know, it we all need to dowell.
SPEAKER_00 (28:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
But to to push all of us up.
SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
Yeah, I mean, even you know, any business that is
doing well helps the area, helpsthe service of the area, helps
the reputation, helps others,you know, do well.
SPEAKER_01 (28:24):
Um so it's a this big, you know, you got a bunch
of cheerleaders.
SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
Yeah, you do.
SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
And that's fun.
Um it's nice to be kind of apart of that little group.
SPEAKER_00 (28:33):
Right, definitely.
Wow, these these are some reallygood questions we had.
And um we just thought it wouldbe neat to do this segment, and
you know, we try to drop AI asour third chair into the segment
in some way.
And a lot a lot to think about.
SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
You know AI getting deep.
SPEAKER_00 (28:58):
Yeah, getting deep.
SPEAKER_01 (28:59):
Maybe true deep.
SPEAKER_00 (29:00):
I mean, some of the some of those, I'm sorry, some
of those probably had us ramble,but I mean, look.
SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
I do, I feel rambly, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
No, but I mean it's you know, when you have sit back
and reflect and try to pull allthis out, it's uh you know it
really makes you think at thesame time.
Some of these answers you justdon't have.
Oh, here's why.
You know, it just kind of reallymakes you dig into why you do it
and right.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
It's not canned by any means.
SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
And um so this was a good idea, babe.
Um all right, so I think that'sprobably gonna do it for this
episode here on Wired Together.
So unplugging for now.
SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
But always stay connected.
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