September 18, 2025 • 33 mins
Katy and Justin toast their recording marathon and put Amy Poehler’s “just tell him you like him” advice on the stand—especially the line, “What’s the worst that could happen?” They argue for boldness with due diligence, swap hilarious stories (including a “raw dogging” mix-up), read listener mail about the restaurant/wine showdown, and spar over the viral Philly foul-ball incident—graceful de-escalation vs. standing your ground.
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Announcer (00:01):
She's Katy Montgomery , he's Justin Joseph.
These best friends are servingsubpoenas to bad advice weekly
with Wrong Way Forward.
The advice column reboot.
You never knew you neededSparks fly, and so does the
hilarity.
Now here's Katy and Justin.
Katy Montgomery (00:17):
So, justin, it's episode two.
Justin Joseph (00:19):
Episode two great accomplishment.
Katy Montgomery (00:21):
Great accomplishment Wrong Way Forward
.
We celebrated and I'm going tobe honest, because I can't be
anything but honest we went andhad three drinks at lunch.
Justin Joseph (00:31):
So let's just tell the whole story.
So we decided when we weregoing to do this we're going to
come in town and shoot the firstfive episodes together.
Katy Montgomery (00:38):
Correct and it has really been so much fun.
It takes me back to our collegedays and we have moved up a
little bit in the world we usedto eat at.
Justin Joseph (00:46):
Chili's yeah 100% .
Katy Montgomery (00:48):
And now we're at Hillsnug.
Justin Joseph (00:49):
And I would have to eat at his for days and you
also have a side of blue cheese.
And gained like 20,000 dollarsin college.
What do they call it?
Freshman 20?
Katy Montgomery (00:57):
Yeah, but we used to call you tight cages.
Justin Joseph (00:59):
Yeah, I really did fill out every shit.
I mean, I filled out everythingtoo, and as a gay person like
looks matter, but for somereason in college I didn't care.
Now I would die if I builtthose pants.
Katy Montgomery (01:10):
Would you yeah?
Justin Joseph (01:12):
Yes, would you not?
Katy Montgomery (01:14):
I mean I did in college when you wore them.
Justin Joseph (01:17):
So we had a few drinks of lunch.
Katy Montgomery (01:19):
Yes, we weren't supposed to we were supposed to
.
We're supposed to have one,yeah, and then one became two
and two became three.
Justin Joseph (01:25):
And so here we are with our second episode of
Wrong Way Forward.
Katy Montgomery (01:30):
Wrong Way Forward.
Justin Joseph (01:30):
And we're going to talk about this week's advice
.
I'm going to read a few vieweremails from our last episode.
Katy Montgomery (01:35):
It's pretty funny the feedback that we're
getting.
Justin Joseph (01:38):
Yeah and I feel like it's way more critical of
you than me, but we'll get thereReally.
Katy Montgomery (01:42):
I don't know.
I really thought that you weregoing to be the most hated man
in America.
Justin Joseph (01:47):
Well, that's going to take like 10 episodes.
Katy Montgomery (01:49):
Okay, well, let me do that.
We're very, we're verygold-throated.
Justin Joseph (01:52):
So this week we're going to take on the
advice of literally one of themost beloved people in Hollywood
, would you agree?
I mean, I, I've read her book,I follow her, I want to be her,
(02:26):
I want her to be one of my bestfriends, I want to be in her
posse.
So I'm feeling a about heradvice.
It was.
This advice is literally from.
It's got 72 000 views.
It's literally I.
I think when I looked at it thefirst time.
It's from.
Give me a second here.
It is from day 12 years ago, sothis is before she was even a
thing no, she was a thing I meanyears ago.
Katy Montgomery (02:41):
yes, I mean amy pulver's pretty amazing y'all.
I mean like she was a co-hostof you know the news segment on
Saturday Night Live.
She had Parks and Recreationand so and I want to be fair to
her, this was a really greatidea was to give young girls
kind of who were moving intokind of adulthood and going
(03:02):
through those kind of awkwardyears, some advice.
It was like smart advice forsmart girls.
Justin Joseph (03:06):
No, I don't disagree with you in the
slightest, but I think, watchingthis for 12 years, she wasn't
nearly as big as she is now.
I mean 12 years, I guaranteeyou.
She was just on Saturday NightLive.
So my point in this is shewasn't out bright.
She's giving out advice.
That alone is wrongly forward,as you and I are perceiving
about advice.
Katy Montgomery (03:23):
Yes, exactly For us, because here is Oprah
and I don't think the cameragoes as low as I can possibly go
to where we are in gettingadvice.
Justin Joseph (03:37):
Those are what the viewer emails I'm about to
read pretty much sets up forBlaster's advice.
All right, so let's stop bytalking about Amy Puller's
advice from last week.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Hi, welcome to Ask Amy.
This question does not have aname but it says I really like
this guy, we have a lot incommon, but I don't think he
knows about my feelings.
I'm sort of shy, but I want tobe with him.
What?
Justin Joseph (03:56):
do I do.
All right, so let's stop thereand just set up the premise of
the question first.
Why are you asking Amy Pullerthis?
You want me to stick it up, amy.
Katy Montgomery (04:02):
Poehler, this you want me to stick it up.
Well, I mean, I think thebigger question is this poor
thing can't even create a fakename for her question.
Justin Joseph (04:10):
There's no name attached to it.
There's not, so.
Katy Montgomery (04:12):
I think everyone's out of their realm
just giving advice.
Justin Joseph (04:16):
And, furthermore, the name of this is Amy Poehler
Smarbrills, because she's aboutto make a girl locked up with
this answer.
Katy Montgomery (04:23):
Justin, I kind of hate that response.
I'm like as a girl and I justdon't think that everybody loves
smart girls.
I think it is great that shewas helping smart girls.
Justin Joseph (04:35):
We can agree on that.
But literally the whole reasonwe chose this advice is because
we both thought what dumb advice.
Katy Montgomery (04:41):
Yeah, but smart people can ask for dumb advice.
Justin Joseph (04:44):
No, I'm not commenting on the girlhood, I've
asked you for advice before.
Yeah, and it's always beenbrilliant.
Here we go Setting up apuller's response to the
question.
I really like this guy.
What do I do?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Amy's response is Well, my advice to you would be
to tell him that you like him.
Justin Joseph (05:03):
Do you want to stop there or do you want to
hear?
Katy Montgomery (05:05):
more.
I think we should be fair andshare everything.
Justin Joseph (05:08):
Because the initial is like that's just not
the right answer across theboard.
But let's hear what she says.
Life is short and go for it,why not?
What's the worst that canhappen?
I mean, let's just apply thatsingular piece of advice to any
broad spectrum.
What's the worst that canhappen to a million?
Katy Montgomery (05:28):
She could be made fun of, she could be
catfished.
It could go on social media,she could be bullied.
She could be bullied.
She could be stuck in herlocker for the rest of you know,
eternity.
She could literally never wantto go back to school again.
Justin Joseph (05:41):
So could we never in this whole podcast, whether
it last, next week and it's over, or next year, can we never,
ever say what's the worst thatcould happen.
Because that is the worstadvice ever and the broadway
forward to ever say what's theworst that could happen.
Katy Montgomery (05:56):
I mean I'm not ready yet to commit Justin
because, who knows?
I mean there's a lot of badadvice out there, but what's the
worst that could happen?
That's the least of our worries.
I mean, I think, first of all,being attorneys is where's the
due diligence here?
Ooh, say more.
Well, I mean when I was.
I'm going to go parking back tolike seventh and eighth grade,
(06:18):
and this was before you knowtexting and cell phones.
Announcer (06:23):
We wrote notes.
Katy Montgomery (06:24):
paper notes and paper notes could be found,
yeah, and they could be spreadand passed and photocopied and
you're talking about, like whereit's like, do you like me check
yes or check no?
Or even if I was writing a bestfriend a note, I'd be like, oh
my gosh number 50 looks so cutetoday number 50 yes, I don't get
it number 50 number 50 was thecode word for richard upchurch.
(06:48):
I hope you're not listening inseventh and eighth grade because
I was?
Justin Joseph (06:53):
you just have to say is richard upchurch
listening?
Why didn't you be number 50?
Katy Montgomery (06:57):
he was number 50 in my notes, so if anyone
ever found the note, there couldbe no trace and no connection,
and so what I could do is dosome due diligence, have some
conversations, figure out a fewthings.
I think going in is the newterm brawl Don't look at.
I don't know what that term is.
Do you actually know what thatis?
(07:18):
Those are those people who geton the airplanes and like, don't
read a book and they don'twatch a movie and they just sit
in their their seat for likeeight hours.
Justin Joseph (07:25):
Okay, can we just run that by the chat gbt um
truth test, because I don'tthink that's raw dogging by chat
gbt is?
It refers to having six.
You're raw dogging on air.
Katy Montgomery (07:45):
Okay, I want to literally.
I just can we stop recording?
Now the point did you not hearabout people raw dogging on
these flights?
Justin Joseph (07:55):
I don't well go ahead.
No, I know what you're talkingto.
This is not on the rundown.
Raw dogging does not appear onthe rundown.
Katy Montgomery (08:03):
Okay, my point is is that before you do
something bold?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Before you're a hotdog.
Katy Montgomery (08:10):
Yes, oh God, Now I don't ever want.
Don't ever use the tone again.
Justin, Don't Remember I'mSouthern.
People will listen inMississippi.
Justin Joseph (08:18):
You used the RD word.
Katy Montgomery (08:22):
But I didn't know what R.
I thought RD meant getting on aplane and not reading a book or
watching a movie.
For real, wait for real.
I don't like that.
For real, okay.
My point is this is that beforeyou do something bold, you've
got to do your homework andthere has to be a little of you
(08:42):
know, due diligence and kind ofget the lay of the land before
you go so bold, love it.
Justin Joseph (08:48):
How do you say that to a fifth grader or a
third grader who wants to askthis question?
She doesn't know what DD is.
Katy Montgomery (08:52):
She doesn't know what.
Justin Joseph (08:53):
Ron Logan is I mean, I hope not.
But how does a third grader, orfor any matter?
Katy Montgomery (08:59):
So first of all , we're not a third grader
reaching out.
Let's at least get into therealm of where we're not in
uncomfortable zones.
Okay, let's say middle school.
Let's say we're talking aboutkind of seventh, eighth grade,
okay.
Okay, I think if a seventh oreighth grader came up to me and
said I like someone, I'd be likethat's fantastic.
(09:19):
Let's walk through what arepotential things that you're
seeing where it might bereciprocated.
Justin Joseph (09:26):
So give me an example what that would look
like a second, look a somebodylunch um having conversations.
Katy Montgomery (09:32):
Is there banter or their jokes?
Do you have something specialbetween you?
You know what does chemistrylook like.
I think that's what'sinteresting about the advice is
I don't have any problem withwomen being bold and putting out
.
Justin Joseph (09:46):
Have you ever been bold and put out what you
wanted with a guy?
absolutely not, but I'm 51 andsingle and like this would be a
great setup for um when we comeback.
So there was a gay version ofthis exact advice and when I
came out at 24, there wasliterally something called
mailbox mondays, where you'vegot to do these due diligence
(10:07):
that you're talking about andput yourself out there.
We're going to talk about thatand how that applies to anyone
who may be looking for theirnext person and want to not raw
dog.
We'll talk about all that whenwe get back.
We'll be right back.
Katy Montgomery (10:19):
You've been listening to Wrong Way Forward,
where bad advice goes to die andthen gets resurrected, just so
we can roast it again.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
That's right, Katy.
Nobody's off limits not thegurus, not the influencers, and
definitely not Oprah.
Katy Montgomery (10:33):
Sorry, Oprah.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
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Speaker 5 (10:49):
Now back to Wrong Way Forward.
Announcer (10:50):
Roasting the worst advice ever.
Welcome back to the Katy andJustin podcast.
Justin Joseph (10:55):
Yeah, I'll just be honest the raw dog, raw doggy
, the raw doggy.
On camera.
You didn't know what raw doggywas.
Katy Montgomery (11:02):
The raw dog.
These days, travelers have allkinds of options to keep them
entertained.
They're in a flight.
Netflix will fly, so in thisgolden age, the trend is called
raw dog in a flight.
It usually means forgoing anyflight perks.
No inflate entertainment, nosnacks or beverages from the
courts.
Justin Joseph (11:17):
You didn't get beverage so you did not know?
Katy Montgomery (11:19):
raw dog was sex without a condom well, how did
you not know that raw dog wasn'thappening on flights?
Justin Joseph (11:26):
and we're back and thank you for getting that
outtake.
We usually wait for ourcommercial break, but I put Katy
there because she literallysaid to me we're waiting for our
camera.
Raw dogging really means sexwithout a condom and I was like
you gotta be kidding me.
You don't know that, but I wantto justin.
Katy Montgomery (11:39):
This is what drives me crazy about you.
I was not talking about theterm raw dogging.
I was talking about the viraltrend of viral.
That's gross when I'm talkingabout raw dogging, but now that
I know what it means.
But raw dogging on flightswhich is not taking advantage of
any of the in-flight amenities.
You can't have a.
You can't have a gender l youcan't watch movies.
Justin Joseph (11:58):
I I maybe that's right, but chat gpt and justin
joseph do not agree.
I I raw, Raw Dog.
Youtube has always had a verysexual and again, I didn't know
that that was the exactdefinition, but it's not like
they had a very sexual never wasinvolved with Netflix and
United Airlines.
Katy Montgomery (12:12):
Well, it does now, justin, and so your aunt
played it now.
Justin Joseph (12:16):
All right.
So, coming back, we're talkingabout bad advice, we're talking
about Amy Poehler.
She got a lovely question fromwho knows how old this girl was,
but the question was I likethis guy, do I tell him an Amy
Poehler's nice?
And I said, yeah, put it allout there, and we both think
that's the right way forward.
Katy Montgomery (12:30):
So you mentioned when you came out at
24, there was a service.
Justin Joseph (12:34):
Yeah, because back in those days, things like
online apps were just coming outand so if you were literally
write down, you type on number51 or whatever.
Richard, whatever his name was,Upchurch we still clearly have
issues.
Katy Montgomery (12:52):
No, I don't at all.
Justin Joseph (12:53):
I don't at all you remember his name, you
remember his number.
That's weird.
Katy Montgomery (12:55):
It was two years in seventh, eighth grade
and wrote his number down by thepens.
Justin Joseph (12:59):
Obviously been impactful.
So if my Richard Upchurchnumber 15 would have come along
at the nightclub, you wouldwrite to number 15, it would go
to mailbox and they had aremember the projectors, screen
projectors, yeah, and they putnumber 15, they brought all the
numbers who had mailbox, who hada note, and that person would
go up and read the note and it'dbe like I think you're cute.
Announcer (13:18):
That's kind of awesome.
Justin Joseph (13:19):
Yeah, you're wearing a pink shirt.
It's cute.
I can't describe.
No, I mean you're like, you'reraw dog okay, I okay.
Katy Montgomery (13:31):
I just want for the YouTube because, thank god,
most people are listening tothis on Spotify.
I asked him about this shirtand everyone who knows me knows
that I do not put anything outthere.
I am a good girl fromMississippi and I am not you
said raw dog been on air for thefirst.
Justin Joseph (13:47):
The second episode.
Katy Montgomery (13:49):
Justin, it's about the travel trip.
Justin Joseph (13:53):
So anyway, back to mailbox Mondays.
I think that's part of the duediligence.
If I was attractive I probablycould see that first amount
about.
I could have mailbox Mondaythen.
And if you didn't write back tonumber 12 or whatever sad
number, I was probably numbertwo because I was the same
person before.
If number two didn't come up,on the screen maybe number one.
(14:13):
Maybe I was first in line.
Yes, then you knew you had doneany due diligence and he was
not interested yeah.
Katy Montgomery (14:16):
So I think there is a little bit to be said
about before the bold gestures.
Let's do a little, you knowkind of you know evidence
gathering and kind of get anidea.
And also, isn't there somethingto be said about?
Isn't there a way to say I likeyou without saying I like you?
Justin Joseph (14:37):
so let me I think that's great let's talk about,
because we're gonna havelisteners of all ages is there a
difference between, if you're,let's say, grade school, high
school, versus 20 to 30 versus50?
This does doing your duediligence mean different things
to different natives.
Katy Montgomery (14:51):
I think so right.
I mean, and I think when youare in, or what I remember in
seventh and eighth grade is itwas constant.
I mean you were in school 40hours a week, you know, and
that's not including afterschool activities and dances and
seeing people at church, andall the weekends you are
constantly involved in that.
Justin Joseph (15:10):
Do you have any stories you remember from those
grades that were traumatizing?
I mean, obviously I do, Iwouldn't be leaving church.
Katy Montgomery (15:17):
I mean of course traumatizing, but I also
remember things that I wouldthink now of putting myself out
there.
Such as Such as you know, I wasraised a Catholic.
My best friend was a baptistand they would have these
weekend events, called disciplenow, and they were so much fun
and you would go to like afamily would host all of the
(15:40):
seventh graders and all theseventh graders at a particular
church can invite a friend and Ijust remember being so excited
to go because you're all stayingin the same house, it's boys
and girls.
It's like the age of a lock-in.
Did you ever go to a lock-in?
Oh, it's where they locked youin the gym and you were all
there together and it wasovernight.
It was exciting, but I remembergoing and they had this kind of
(16:02):
affirmation piece and Iremember affirming Richard
Upchurch because I wanted toaffirm everything he did.
Justin Joseph (16:10):
Really, what was it about him?
Because I'll tell you my story.
I remember the first time Iever thought I may be gay is I
remember my mom had sent us toCCD Catholic yes, continuing
education in Catholic and I was,all of you know, eight years
old and there was this highschooler student who coordinated
it or you know were there.
Yeah, they run everything and Ijust had such a crush on yeah,
so clearly this is your.
Katy Montgomery (16:31):
He was by richard up church yeah, but you
were eight, I was 13.
What difference does that make?
Because an eight-year-oldshouldn't have a crush on a 13,
14 year old.
Justin Joseph (16:40):
You never had a crush when you were eight years
old.
Katy Montgomery (16:42):
I mean I did, but I'm like let's use another
example okay, let's but my pointis is that, uh, we went through
and did affirmations and Iaffirmed him, and so it was to
get kind of you, affirmed himyeah, I mean no what is richard
up church during this day?
Justin Joseph (17:00):
we'll probably have to edit out his name.
All right, what's already doingare you are?
Katy Montgomery (17:04):
you, you know what I I really you know for a
while he was making some kind ofmusic boxes, but I don't really
have an idea well, here's thetease.
Justin Joseph (17:13):
We have richard upchurch on the line.
Let's go.
Katy Montgomery (17:16):
No, I'm kidding , yeah, no but my point is is
that there's little things thatyou can do to kind of get some
kind of confirmation.
Let's also justin talk aboutthis.
We are you're gonna be 52 soon.
Yeah, I'll be 51 six monthslater, 52 six months later,
excuse me as that.
We didn't have social media, wedidn't have these sites, we
(17:39):
didn't have email, we didn'thave all of these ways.
And you know we've just talkedabout this famous netflix
documentary that just came outabout catfishing and how an
actual parent catfished her owndaughter and it's like.
So I think there has to be somelevel of protection there
before you might be soemboldened, you know, because
(18:00):
you know people can be cruel andit is so much easier to be
cruel online and anonymous thanit is in person.
Justin Joseph (18:07):
And let's also expand that to our 40 year old
listeners, who are literallydoing the same thing.
People can still be cruel, butit's a different level of due
diligence that you do.
I mean, I think at that age theguards are up.
Katy Montgomery (18:20):
And I actually would argue differently I think
at lunch we were talking aboutthis is that at 50, you become
more set in your ways and yourvalue system is a little bit
more defined and you know whatyou like and don't like, and so
it might be easier to actuallybe very emboldened and say I
like or don't like you, and youalso have built resilience
(18:42):
through experiencing failure atthat point.
So the hurt or the consequencesaren't as extreme.
Justin Joseph (18:48):
And I love that we talked about at lunch and I
love everybody's feedback onthis.
When you're young, well, whenyou're young you probably are
95-5.
You want 95 perfection, maybeget 5%.
When you're in your 30s it goesto maybe 80-20 because you're
starting to lay your guard down.
But what's really interesting,I think about the continuum as
you get older it does go back to95-5 because you're okay being
alone, agree or disagree.
Katy Montgomery (19:08):
Yeah, and I want to stress that the word's
not alone.
It's like you know at a certainage that you've developed
really great friendships withyour siblings and your parents,
you've developed it withcoworkers and other people, and
you are.
You are not alone.
And that's one thing thatreally bothers me is this
general assumption that'sputting, it's the concept of
splitting, putting in like blackor white.
(19:30):
It's like you're either aloneor you're attached, whereas
there are some people who areattached and are incredibly
alone, and there are some peoplewho are alone and are
incredibly, you know, engagedand and have a sense of
community and I think that, um,I think this.
Justin Joseph (19:45):
You know I don't want to get into pop culture too
much, but, um, and Just Likethat, which was widely panned,
did you watch them?
Just like that, I did all theseason Widely panned, and I
think you know that was for mygeneration.
I watched all of them.
Katy Montgomery (19:56):
Yeah.
Justin Joseph (19:57):
I thought it caught its wind in this last
year, but I really think the waythey ended it was remarkable,
even though, again, they caughta ton of bad criticism.
She said in the end, I thinkthe last line was she was not
alone, she was on her own, and Ithought that was really
impactful.
Katy Montgomery (20:11):
Agreed, agreed, and I think kind of going back
to kind of Amy Poehler's adviceis a nice piece of advice to
have been is do your duediligence.
If you feel comfortable, basedon kind of the evidence you've
taken in, you can go ahead andsay this.
But if it doesn't work out,it's not what's exactly what
(20:34):
Sarah Jessica Parker says inthat very last line and I'd love
you just to repeat that again.
Justin Joseph (20:38):
The line was she was not alone, she was on her
own.
Katy Montgomery (20:42):
Yes, and so being on your own is not a
negative.
That would have been a nicekind of you know.
Footnote to Amy Polder's advice.
Justin Joseph (20:49):
So when we come back, we're going to talk about
two things Every segment, everythird segment in our show we're
going to talk.
There's a segment literallycalled can we talk about them?
Yes, we're going to talk aboutsomething could be doesn't have
to be advice, just be issomething that we need to talk
about.
So we're going to do that insegment three of our show, but
first we're going to revisitlast episode and, for those of
you who may have listened, itwas the restaurant episode where
(21:10):
Katy had very different takeson how you get upsold at a
restaurant versus cheap wine,etc.
Etc.
Is your teaser and I just wantto read it as we go to break.
It says I listened to youraccount of what happened at
dinner and I have to say I amsiding with Justin on this one.
We're going to talk about whyviewers are siding with me and
why you're wrong and why whatyou said was the wrong way
(21:31):
forward.
We're going to talk about that.
We'll make that back.
We'll be back in a moment.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
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Announcer (22:04):
Roasting the worst advice ever.
Welcome back to the Katy andJustin podcast.
Katy Montgomery (22:08):
So we're back and I think what we're going to
do now is thank you so much forsome of you who've listened to
our first episode and gave ussome feedback.
We have a few questions and youknow Justin thinks he's always
right.
Justin Joseph (22:21):
I just say thank you for the feedback.
Who said that I was right inthe last episode?
That's the feedback.
I appreciate it.
It's most meaningful.
Yeah, I mean, of course it isbut my guess is which is in my
bed?
Katy Montgomery (22:38):
Yes, but whatever, okay, keep going.
Justin Joseph (22:41):
So this episode we all segment three we'd like
to talk about.
Can we talk about that?
But before you want to getthere first, you want to talk
about last episode.
Katy Montgomery (22:47):
Maybe talk about the last episode and
finish with the other.
Justin Joseph (22:49):
Why don't you summarize where we were last
episode?
Katy Montgomery (22:52):
Last episode, we all went out to dinner.
Justin became a littleself-righteous in response to
the waitress and some options ofcheap wine that were actually
not available and it made someof us really uncomfortable at
the table.
Justin, I think you landed onI'm not going to compromise my
(23:12):
principle for the relationshipsI had at the table that really
matter.
And my response was you know,is this really?
Justin Joseph (23:23):
are you going to die on that hill or are you
going to spend the time andenergy with the people who are
most important, yeah, and Ithink the last thing I said
which I stand by is you knowwhat, if, if standing by my
principals means Katy Montgomeryis a little uncomfortable, so
be it.
And let's go to some vieweremails which I think kind of
agree with me, and of course I'mcherry picking here.
Yes, Okay, let's share.
I mean, I had to get through alot to find something to support
(23:44):
a view.
But here's what I was surprisedto hear you bring up your
Southern roots and that Justinmade you uncomfortable.
Well, I appreciate yourfeelings.
It seems a disproportionatereaction to the situation.
Justin's core values are beingchallenged and a true friend
would understand that somethings are more important than a
momentary soak with comfort.
I think she brings my point.
(24:04):
Well, I think what she'sforgetting is that we literally
said and it may be a he, by theway, correct she signed AF, so
or he signed AF, okay.
Katy Montgomery (24:12):
So AF, what AF is probably not referencing
there is.
We only see each other inperson at most two to three
times a year, and so I think ifwe were taking bets in Vegas
which Justin is an expert atthat stuff I think people would
bet on my side.
Justin Joseph (24:30):
Oh my God, here's my favorite.
This is I got three of youremails that I'd like to
highlight.
This one's my favorite.
It's easy to get carried awaywhen telling a story, but
Justin's account film weregrounded in the facts.
That's like taking a bullet forreal.
Since I am the I like to.
I'm the hyperbolistic.
Katy Montgomery (24:50):
I'd like to also state that in our last
episode you'd like to refer tome as a drama queen and I played
into that, so that might be alittle skewed reader.
What's those initials?
Justin Joseph (25:00):
Those initials are an unbiased observer.
Katy Montgomery (25:05):
Okay, again, would you like to?
Justin Joseph (25:06):
read any of yours or could you not get any that
were supportive.
Katy Montgomery (25:09):
Well, I think what's interesting is people
want to really know what's goingon, and I think what's
interesting is people want toknow Justin, and it may be
ridiculous, but I do think it'spretty funny.
Can you elaborate on yourfeelings about expensive wine?
Or you don't feel like it'sworth it.
Justin Joseph (25:26):
Well, look, I mean, I feel like when you just
talk about wine generally,unless you're getting into four
or five-barrel bottles generally, a $100 bottle of wine is going
to taste the same, and maybefor a little bit.
Katy Montgomery (25:37):
You drink a lot of wine.
I do, but you skew the facts.
It was not a hundred dollarbottle of wine, it was the
second least.
It was $89.
It was $69.
You love to exaggerate.
You love to exaggerate.
People out there want to knowwhy you were drinking piss at a
nice restaurant.
(25:57):
And I think you're stillscrewing around with the fact
that you like to drink a lot ofwine.
You just passed everything.
Justin Joseph (26:07):
You know what it's?
Okay, I'm sweating now.
Okay, okay, all right.
Katy Montgomery (26:11):
I really think that we should get this last
second, because what we aregoing to share, it's not just
been ticking you off and me off.
Yeah, I mean, the internet isover, yeah, over this, and let
me just say you know me, I meanI.
Justin Joseph (26:25):
What we're about to talk about is, um, maybe you
said it up, but um, I was at abaseball game last week and you
know you had foul balls, and Imean aside from me, like hiding
because I have a fear of lifeand getting hit by one.
That's a children's moment ahundred percent.
Katy Montgomery (26:39):
And I think when does it come to where
people just can't live in themoment, like whatever happened
to, kind of like?
You know what is that famouscredence, credence career water
revival song, you know?
You know it's about likestealing home and like.
Announcer (26:55):
Americana and feeling it.
Katy Montgomery (26:56):
And it's people are so caught up in?
Where's the?
Where is the prize?
Where is the famous, you know,like Instagram post?
Why aren't we just living inthe moment and letting kids
having this moment of summer andenjoyment?
Justin Joseph (27:13):
And it's a great setup for this.
This is a from KTLA Newscastout of Los Angeles.
I think he does a nice job ofsummarizing it.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
We'll come back and talk about it on the other side,
an update on the Internet'snewest villain, the woman that
they call Philly's Karen Home.
Run into the stands at thePhilly's Marlin game on Friday,
sent fans scrambling hot potatolike everybody's at a barbecue,
and then suddenly is that a cat.
Whose cat is that I?
Whose cat is that?
I don't know, Just get it.
So a dad scooped up the ball,took it back to his son, and
then a woman races over andconfronts the dad and demands
(27:42):
the ball from the child.
Katy Montgomery (27:45):
What is wrong with this person?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Eventually the dad gives in and ends up handing
over the ball.
Some are defending her.
One commenter said she's asweet old woman and dad took
advantage of her lack of agility.
The ball landed, I guess, nearher.
Yeah, that happened to me once.
Katy Montgomery (28:00):
Okay, so people are saying that she was closer
and she should have gotten.
Justin Joseph (28:05):
Mercy, she has the worst jeans I've ever seen
on and I would never be picturedfor me talking to those jeans.
Katy Montgomery (28:11):
Well, I didn't pay that much attention to it,
but you know we talked about thewrong way forward, which
clearly keep the Phillies, karen.
But I do want to note that theright way forward was the father
.
The father was surprised by theinteraction and, in order to
defuse the situation, handed thebottle to her and said just go
with it and, not to surprise you, I will take the exact opposite
(28:31):
side.
Justin Joseph (28:32):
I think that's totally wrong, because the
father literally threw his handup and gave her the ball.
I couldn't surprise you that.
I would have punched her in herface not really but I would
have stood my ground and saidI'm sorry, whoever you are, this
is my son's ball.
You are not.
I would have been much meanerthan that and I have to tell you
.
Katy Montgomery (28:50):
But I think seeing in front, being seen in
front of a child, is sayingthings.
This is a good, it's not thatimportant, it was a teaching
moment.
It's a teaching moment.
But I think what is reallyinteresting about this and we
also saw this at the us openwith the ceo who grabbed, you
know like for those who didn'tsee, explain that um.
So a child um, was in line alongwith some other people to get
(29:11):
some swag from some players whowere signing balls and signing
hands, and handed something, andthe adult CEO grabbed it,
rather than the kid who was itwas intended for, and I think
what.
I think the bigger thing aboutthe wrong way forward here is
that literally, why are weputting such importance on a
(29:32):
small good like this?
You know, why is this like theend-all be and you know?
And the thing that's reallyfunny is, in both of these cases
, the right way forward was bothof those organizations, both
MLB and the USTA, responded andthose children both had a better
experience afterwards becausethey remedied the situation.
Justin Joseph (29:53):
I say vomit on that Wrong advice.
I disagree.
I think the fact the fathershiphas stood the ground kept the
ball disagree.
I think the fact the fathershould have stood to the ground
kept the ball.
And I think if they would havedone what you're talking about
and had the MLB step in and givethis child a consolation prize,
it teaches the child the wronglesson.
The lesson is you stand up forwhat is right.
And his father should havestood up and said that's my
son's ball, he's keeping it andyou can go F--o and you all know
(30:16):
what that means yes, and Ithink the bigger thing is is
that we are not going to fight.
Katy Montgomery (30:22):
We are a sense of community.
There are certain you knowplans that we, we form together
where we are not going to actout, and you know what it is a
ball.
There are things that are moreoh, so interesting.
Justin Joseph (30:34):
I really did not expect to disagree on this, and
we don't we, for those out there, we try not to talk about this
before.
I thought we were on the sameside on this.
I disagree, no, I would havegiven the ball back and I would
have kept it because my sonneeds to see there are things
we're fighting for, and an uglynasty person not a woman here,
but an ugly nasty person doesn'tget a win just because they're
ugly and nasty.
Katy Montgomery (30:59):
But a children flies in the face of my mind
exactly, and for me, I think I Ithink it's a bigger thing.
It's like, you know, decorummatters, you know it's, it's
these are, these are goods,these are not things that are
worth kind of dying on the vinefor.
And I think at that point, Ithink that father handles
himself with such grace and at,at the end of the day, him
handling himself with grace,think about if that played out
(31:21):
further.
He might not have won thebenefit of most of the Internet
and also the MLB, where that kidgot to later get a goodie bag
and meet with the player.
Justin Joseph (31:32):
Well, did that happen?
Yes, oh, I didn't know.
Ok, but let me just change thescenario.
We've got only a few minutesleft your niece through your
door, mary luckett and luck andluckett your niece who you adore
and luckett, you adore her.
Yes, you were at a concert andher favorite artist was adele,
and adele threw out a t-shirtand this happened in that
scenario and you knew how muchand luckett loved adele and she
(31:55):
caught the t-shirt and somenasty person came up and
demanded it.
Would that have changed yourcalculus?
Because it was your niece whoyou love and adore and you're
not for no, I would have saidyou know what we don't resort to
.
Katy Montgomery (32:06):
This is not a fight worth fighting for and
we'll make it up and there arenasty people and let them have
this, because I really hope.
If Adele's concert and at-shirt is is the prize in your
life, it ain't looking good foryour future all right.
Well, this is interestingbecause, again, I expect us to
agree on this, but this would bethe first of many times where
(32:28):
we see the world differently,and not surprisingly exactly
we'll wait for your viewerviewer emails on this one and
we'll see how they uh landexactly, and so just to kind of
wrap up, cause it's time to go,we want to again thank you all
for being here.
We would love for you If youhave not yet followed, please
follow.
If you have enjoyed this, we'dlove for you to give us a review
(32:51):
.
And, again, if you have any badadvice or anything that you've
seen out there, please drop usan email at
wrongwayforwardpodcast atgmailcom.
We'd love to hear from you.
Justin Joseph (33:01):
Love to hear from you.
The next episode we're going totake on the advice of one of
America's most beloved Beloved.
Is it beloved or beloved?
Katy Montgomery (33:07):
I say beloved, but she's.
I mean, she's not beloved by me, but she's beloved by me.
Justin Joseph (33:12):
We're going to take on advice of literally one
of the country's leading advicegivers.
I would say Right, that way Ido agree with that we're going
to tell you why she was 100%wrong in her advice.
Yeah, wrong way forward, we'llsee you next week on Wrong Way
Forward.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of
Wrong Way Forward.
Remember, the only thing worsethan taking bad advice is giving
it.
Katy Montgomery (33:32):
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She's Katy Montgomery , he's Justin Joseph.
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with Wrong Way Forward.
The advice column reboot.
You never knew you neededSparks fly, and so does the
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Now here's Katy and Justin.
Katy Montgomery (00:17):
So, justin, it's episode two.
Justin Joseph (00:19):
Episode two great accomplishment.
Katy Montgomery (00:21):
Great accomplishment Wrong Way Forward
.
We celebrated and I'm going tobe honest, because I can't be
anything but honest we went andhad three drinks at lunch.
Justin Joseph (00:31):
So let's just tell the whole story.
So we decided when we weregoing to do this we're going to
come in town and shoot the firstfive episodes together.
Katy Montgomery (00:38):
Correct and it has really been so much fun.
It takes me back to our collegedays and we have moved up a
little bit in the world we usedto eat at.
Justin Joseph (00:46):
Chili's yeah 100% .
Katy Montgomery (00:48):
And now we're at Hillsnug.
Justin Joseph (00:49):
And I would have to eat at his for days and you
also have a side of blue cheese.
And gained like 20,000 dollarsin college.
What do they call it?
Freshman 20?
Katy Montgomery (00:57):
Yeah, but we used to call you tight cages.
Justin Joseph (00:59):
Yeah, I really did fill out every shit.
I mean, I filled out everythingtoo, and as a gay person like
looks matter, but for somereason in college I didn't care.
Now I would die if I builtthose pants.
Katy Montgomery (01:10):
Would you yeah?
Justin Joseph (01:12):
Yes, would you not?
Katy Montgomery (01:14):
I mean I did in college when you wore them.
Justin Joseph (01:17):
So we had a few drinks of lunch.
Katy Montgomery (01:19):
Yes, we weren't supposed to we were supposed to
.
We're supposed to have one,yeah, and then one became two
and two became three.
Justin Joseph (01:25):
And so here we are with our second episode of
Wrong Way Forward.
Katy Montgomery (01:30):
Wrong Way Forward.
Justin Joseph (01:30):
And we're going to talk about this week's advice
.
I'm going to read a few vieweremails from our last episode.
Katy Montgomery (01:35):
It's pretty funny the feedback that we're
getting.
Justin Joseph (01:38):
Yeah and I feel like it's way more critical of
you than me, but we'll get thereReally.
Katy Montgomery (01:42):
I don't know.
I really thought that you weregoing to be the most hated man
in America.
Justin Joseph (01:47):
Well, that's going to take like 10 episodes.
Katy Montgomery (01:49):
Okay, well, let me do that.
We're very, we're verygold-throated.
Justin Joseph (01:52):
So this week we're going to take on the
advice of literally one of themost beloved people in Hollywood
, would you agree?
I mean, I, I've read her book,I follow her, I want to be her,
(02:26):
I want her to be one of my bestfriends, I want to be in her
posse.
So I'm feeling a about heradvice.
It was.
This advice is literally from.
It's got 72 000 views.
It's literally I.
I think when I looked at it thefirst time.
It's from.
Give me a second here.
It is from day 12 years ago, sothis is before she was even a
thing no, she was a thing I meanyears ago.
Katy Montgomery (02:41):
yes, I mean amy pulver's pretty amazing y'all.
I mean like she was a co-hostof you know the news segment on
Saturday Night Live.
She had Parks and Recreationand so and I want to be fair to
her, this was a really greatidea was to give young girls
kind of who were moving intokind of adulthood and going
(03:02):
through those kind of awkwardyears, some advice.
It was like smart advice forsmart girls.
Justin Joseph (03:06):
No, I don't disagree with you in the
slightest, but I think, watchingthis for 12 years, she wasn't
nearly as big as she is now.
I mean 12 years, I guaranteeyou.
She was just on Saturday NightLive.
So my point in this is shewasn't out bright.
She's giving out advice.
That alone is wrongly forward,as you and I are perceiving
about advice.
Katy Montgomery (03:23):
Yes, exactly For us, because here is Oprah
and I don't think the cameragoes as low as I can possibly go
to where we are in gettingadvice.
Justin Joseph (03:37):
Those are what the viewer emails I'm about to
read pretty much sets up forBlaster's advice.
All right, so let's stop bytalking about Amy Puller's
advice from last week.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Hi, welcome to Ask Amy.
This question does not have aname but it says I really like
this guy, we have a lot incommon, but I don't think he
knows about my feelings.
I'm sort of shy, but I want tobe with him.
What?
Justin Joseph (03:56):
do I do.
All right, so let's stop thereand just set up the premise of
the question first.
Why are you asking Amy Pullerthis?
You want me to stick it up, amy.
Katy Montgomery (04:02):
Poehler, this you want me to stick it up.
Well, I mean, I think thebigger question is this poor
thing can't even create a fakename for her question.
Justin Joseph (04:10):
There's no name attached to it.
There's not, so.
Katy Montgomery (04:12):
I think everyone's out of their realm
just giving advice.
Justin Joseph (04:16):
And, furthermore, the name of this is Amy Poehler
Smarbrills, because she's aboutto make a girl locked up with
this answer.
Katy Montgomery (04:23):
Justin, I kind of hate that response.
I'm like as a girl and I justdon't think that everybody loves
smart girls.
I think it is great that shewas helping smart girls.
Justin Joseph (04:35):
We can agree on that.
But literally the whole reasonwe chose this advice is because
we both thought what dumb advice.
Katy Montgomery (04:41):
Yeah, but smart people can ask for dumb advice.
Justin Joseph (04:44):
No, I'm not commenting on the girlhood, I've
asked you for advice before.
Yeah, and it's always beenbrilliant.
Here we go Setting up apuller's response to the
question.
I really like this guy.
What do I do?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Amy's response is Well, my advice to you would be
to tell him that you like him.
Justin Joseph (05:03):
Do you want to stop there or do you want to
hear?
Katy Montgomery (05:05):
more.
I think we should be fair andshare everything.
Justin Joseph (05:08):
Because the initial is like that's just not
the right answer across theboard.
But let's hear what she says.
Life is short and go for it,why not?
What's the worst that canhappen?
I mean, let's just apply thatsingular piece of advice to any
broad spectrum.
What's the worst that canhappen to a million?
Katy Montgomery (05:28):
She could be made fun of, she could be
catfished.
It could go on social media,she could be bullied.
She could be bullied.
She could be stuck in herlocker for the rest of you know,
eternity.
She could literally never wantto go back to school again.
Justin Joseph (05:41):
So could we never in this whole podcast, whether
it last, next week and it's over, or next year, can we never,
ever say what's the worst thatcould happen.
Because that is the worstadvice ever and the broadway
forward to ever say what's theworst that could happen.
Katy Montgomery (05:56):
I mean I'm not ready yet to commit Justin
because, who knows?
I mean there's a lot of badadvice out there, but what's the
worst that could happen?
That's the least of our worries.
I mean, I think, first of all,being attorneys is where's the
due diligence here?
Ooh, say more.
Well, I mean when I was.
I'm going to go parking back tolike seventh and eighth grade,
(06:18):
and this was before you knowtexting and cell phones.
Announcer (06:23):
We wrote notes.
Katy Montgomery (06:24):
paper notes and paper notes could be found,
yeah, and they could be spreadand passed and photocopied and
you're talking about, like whereit's like, do you like me check
yes or check no?
Or even if I was writing a bestfriend a note, I'd be like, oh
my gosh number 50 looks so cutetoday number 50 yes, I don't get
it number 50 number 50 was thecode word for richard upchurch.
(06:48):
I hope you're not listening inseventh and eighth grade because
I was?
Justin Joseph (06:53):
you just have to say is richard upchurch
listening?
Why didn't you be number 50?
Katy Montgomery (06:57):
he was number 50 in my notes, so if anyone
ever found the note, there couldbe no trace and no connection,
and so what I could do is dosome due diligence, have some
conversations, figure out a fewthings.
I think going in is the newterm brawl Don't look at.
I don't know what that term is.
Do you actually know what thatis?
(07:18):
Those are those people who geton the airplanes and like, don't
read a book and they don'twatch a movie and they just sit
in their their seat for likeeight hours.
Justin Joseph (07:25):
Okay, can we just run that by the chat gbt um
truth test, because I don'tthink that's raw dogging by chat
gbt is?
It refers to having six.
You're raw dogging on air.
Katy Montgomery (07:45):
Okay, I want to literally.
I just can we stop recording?
Now the point did you not hearabout people raw dogging on
these flights?
Justin Joseph (07:55):
I don't well go ahead.
No, I know what you're talkingto.
This is not on the rundown.
Raw dogging does not appear onthe rundown.
Katy Montgomery (08:03):
Okay, my point is is that before you do
something bold?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Before you're a hotdog.
Katy Montgomery (08:10):
Yes, oh God, Now I don't ever want.
Don't ever use the tone again.
Justin, Don't Remember I'mSouthern.
People will listen inMississippi.
Justin Joseph (08:18):
You used the RD word.
Katy Montgomery (08:22):
But I didn't know what R.
I thought RD meant getting on aplane and not reading a book or
watching a movie.
For real, wait for real.
I don't like that.
For real, okay.
My point is this is that beforeyou do something bold, you've
got to do your homework andthere has to be a little of you
(08:42):
know, due diligence and kind ofget the lay of the land before
you go so bold, love it.
Justin Joseph (08:48):
How do you say that to a fifth grader or a
third grader who wants to askthis question?
She doesn't know what DD is.
Katy Montgomery (08:52):
She doesn't know what.
Justin Joseph (08:53):
Ron Logan is I mean, I hope not.
But how does a third grader, orfor any matter?
Katy Montgomery (08:59):
So first of all , we're not a third grader
reaching out.
Let's at least get into therealm of where we're not in
uncomfortable zones.
Okay, let's say middle school.
Let's say we're talking aboutkind of seventh, eighth grade,
okay.
Okay, I think if a seventh oreighth grader came up to me and
said I like someone, I'd be likethat's fantastic.
(09:19):
Let's walk through what arepotential things that you're
seeing where it might bereciprocated.
Justin Joseph (09:26):
So give me an example what that would look
like a second, look a somebodylunch um having conversations.
Katy Montgomery (09:32):
Is there banter or their jokes?
Do you have something specialbetween you?
You know what does chemistrylook like.
I think that's what'sinteresting about the advice is
I don't have any problem withwomen being bold and putting out
.
Justin Joseph (09:46):
Have you ever been bold and put out what you
wanted with a guy?
absolutely not, but I'm 51 andsingle and like this would be a
great setup for um when we comeback.
So there was a gay version ofthis exact advice and when I
came out at 24, there wasliterally something called
mailbox mondays, where you'vegot to do these due diligence
(10:07):
that you're talking about andput yourself out there.
We're going to talk about thatand how that applies to anyone
who may be looking for theirnext person and want to not raw
dog.
We'll talk about all that whenwe get back.
We'll be right back.
Katy Montgomery (10:19):
You've been listening to Wrong Way Forward,
where bad advice goes to die andthen gets resurrected, just so
we can roast it again.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
That's right, Katy.
Nobody's off limits not thegurus, not the influencers, and
definitely not Oprah.
Katy Montgomery (10:33):
Sorry, Oprah.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
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Now back to Wrong Way Forward.
Announcer (10:50):
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Welcome back to the Katy andJustin podcast.
Justin Joseph (10:55):
Yeah, I'll just be honest the raw dog, raw doggy
, the raw doggy.
On camera.
You didn't know what raw doggywas.
Katy Montgomery (11:02):
The raw dog.
These days, travelers have allkinds of options to keep them
entertained.
They're in a flight.
Netflix will fly, so in thisgolden age, the trend is called
raw dog in a flight.
It usually means forgoing anyflight perks.
No inflate entertainment, nosnacks or beverages from the
courts.
Justin Joseph (11:17):
You didn't get beverage so you did not know?
Katy Montgomery (11:19):
raw dog was sex without a condom well, how did
you not know that raw dog wasn'thappening on flights?
Justin Joseph (11:26):
and we're back and thank you for getting that
outtake.
We usually wait for ourcommercial break, but I put Katy
there because she literallysaid to me we're waiting for our
camera.
Raw dogging really means sexwithout a condom and I was like
you gotta be kidding me.
You don't know that, but I wantto justin.
Katy Montgomery (11:39):
This is what drives me crazy about you.
I was not talking about theterm raw dogging.
I was talking about the viraltrend of viral.
That's gross when I'm talkingabout raw dogging, but now that
I know what it means.
But raw dogging on flightswhich is not taking advantage of
any of the in-flight amenities.
You can't have a.
You can't have a gender l youcan't watch movies.
Justin Joseph (11:58):
I I maybe that's right, but chat gpt and justin
joseph do not agree.
I I raw, Raw Dog.
Youtube has always had a verysexual and again, I didn't know
that that was the exactdefinition, but it's not like
they had a very sexual never wasinvolved with Netflix and
United Airlines.
Katy Montgomery (12:12):
Well, it does now, justin, and so your aunt
played it now.
Justin Joseph (12:16):
All right.
So, coming back, we're talkingabout bad advice, we're talking
about Amy Poehler.
She got a lovely question fromwho knows how old this girl was,
but the question was I likethis guy, do I tell him an Amy
Poehler's nice?
And I said, yeah, put it allout there, and we both think
that's the right way forward.
Katy Montgomery (12:30):
So you mentioned when you came out at
24, there was a service.
Justin Joseph (12:34):
Yeah, because back in those days, things like
online apps were just coming outand so if you were literally
write down, you type on number51 or whatever.
Richard, whatever his name was,Upchurch we still clearly have
issues.
Katy Montgomery (12:52):
No, I don't at all.
Justin Joseph (12:53):
I don't at all you remember his name, you
remember his number.
That's weird.
Katy Montgomery (12:55):
It was two years in seventh, eighth grade
and wrote his number down by thepens.
Justin Joseph (12:59):
Obviously been impactful.
So if my Richard Upchurchnumber 15 would have come along
at the nightclub, you wouldwrite to number 15, it would go
to mailbox and they had aremember the projectors, screen
projectors, yeah, and they putnumber 15, they brought all the
numbers who had mailbox, who hada note, and that person would
go up and read the note and it'dbe like I think you're cute.
Announcer (13:18):
That's kind of awesome.
Justin Joseph (13:19):
Yeah, you're wearing a pink shirt.
It's cute.
I can't describe.
No, I mean you're like, you'reraw dog okay, I okay.
Katy Montgomery (13:31):
I just want for the YouTube because, thank god,
most people are listening tothis on Spotify.
I asked him about this shirtand everyone who knows me knows
that I do not put anything outthere.
I am a good girl fromMississippi and I am not you
said raw dog been on air for thefirst.
Justin Joseph (13:47):
The second episode.
Katy Montgomery (13:49):
Justin, it's about the travel trip.
Justin Joseph (13:53):
So anyway, back to mailbox Mondays.
I think that's part of the duediligence.
If I was attractive I probablycould see that first amount
about.
I could have mailbox Mondaythen.
And if you didn't write back tonumber 12 or whatever sad
number, I was probably numbertwo because I was the same
person before.
If number two didn't come up,on the screen maybe number one.
(14:13):
Maybe I was first in line.
Yes, then you knew you had doneany due diligence and he was
not interested yeah.
Katy Montgomery (14:16):
So I think there is a little bit to be said
about before the bold gestures.
Let's do a little, you knowkind of you know evidence
gathering and kind of get anidea.
And also, isn't there somethingto be said about?
Isn't there a way to say I likeyou without saying I like you?
Justin Joseph (14:37):
so let me I think that's great let's talk about,
because we're gonna havelisteners of all ages is there a
difference between, if you're,let's say, grade school, high
school, versus 20 to 30 versus50?
This does doing your duediligence mean different things
to different natives.
Katy Montgomery (14:51):
I think so right.
I mean, and I think when youare in, or what I remember in
seventh and eighth grade is itwas constant.
I mean you were in school 40hours a week, you know, and
that's not including afterschool activities and dances and
seeing people at church, andall the weekends you are
constantly involved in that.
Justin Joseph (15:10):
Do you have any stories you remember from those
grades that were traumatizing?
I mean, obviously I do, Iwouldn't be leaving church.
Katy Montgomery (15:17):
I mean of course traumatizing, but I also
remember things that I wouldthink now of putting myself out
there.
Such as Such as you know, I wasraised a Catholic.
My best friend was a baptistand they would have these
weekend events, called disciplenow, and they were so much fun
and you would go to like afamily would host all of the
(15:40):
seventh graders and all theseventh graders at a particular
church can invite a friend and Ijust remember being so excited
to go because you're all stayingin the same house, it's boys
and girls.
It's like the age of a lock-in.
Did you ever go to a lock-in?
Oh, it's where they locked youin the gym and you were all
there together and it wasovernight.
It was exciting, but I remembergoing and they had this kind of
(16:02):
affirmation piece and Iremember affirming Richard
Upchurch because I wanted toaffirm everything he did.
Justin Joseph (16:10):
Really, what was it about him?
Because I'll tell you my story.
I remember the first time Iever thought I may be gay is I
remember my mom had sent us toCCD Catholic yes, continuing
education in Catholic and I was,all of you know, eight years
old and there was this highschooler student who coordinated
it or you know were there.
Yeah, they run everything and Ijust had such a crush on yeah,
so clearly this is your.
Katy Montgomery (16:31):
He was by richard up church yeah, but you
were eight, I was 13.
What difference does that make?
Because an eight-year-oldshouldn't have a crush on a 13,
14 year old.
Justin Joseph (16:40):
You never had a crush when you were eight years
old.
Katy Montgomery (16:42):
I mean I did, but I'm like let's use another
example okay, let's but my pointis is that, uh, we went through
and did affirmations and Iaffirmed him, and so it was to
get kind of you, affirmed himyeah, I mean no what is richard
up church during this day?
Justin Joseph (17:00):
we'll probably have to edit out his name.
All right, what's already doingare you are?
Katy Montgomery (17:04):
you, you know what I I really you know for a
while he was making some kind ofmusic boxes, but I don't really
have an idea well, here's thetease.
Justin Joseph (17:13):
We have richard upchurch on the line.
Let's go.
Katy Montgomery (17:16):
No, I'm kidding , yeah, no but my point is is
that there's little things thatyou can do to kind of get some
kind of confirmation.
Let's also justin talk aboutthis.
We are you're gonna be 52 soon.
Yeah, I'll be 51 six monthslater, 52 six months later,
excuse me as that.
We didn't have social media, wedidn't have these sites, we
(17:39):
didn't have email, we didn'thave all of these ways.
And you know we've just talkedabout this famous netflix
documentary that just came outabout catfishing and how an
actual parent catfished her owndaughter and it's like.
So I think there has to be somelevel of protection there
before you might be soemboldened, you know, because
(18:00):
you know people can be cruel andit is so much easier to be
cruel online and anonymous thanit is in person.
Justin Joseph (18:07):
And let's also expand that to our 40 year old
listeners, who are literallydoing the same thing.
People can still be cruel, butit's a different level of due
diligence that you do.
I mean, I think at that age theguards are up.
Katy Montgomery (18:20):
And I actually would argue differently I think
at lunch we were talking aboutthis is that at 50, you become
more set in your ways and yourvalue system is a little bit
more defined and you know whatyou like and don't like, and so
it might be easier to actuallybe very emboldened and say I
like or don't like you, and youalso have built resilience
(18:42):
through experiencing failure atthat point.
So the hurt or the consequencesaren't as extreme.
Justin Joseph (18:48):
And I love that we talked about at lunch and I
love everybody's feedback onthis.
When you're young, well, whenyou're young you probably are
95-5.
You want 95 perfection, maybeget 5%.
When you're in your 30s it goesto maybe 80-20 because you're
starting to lay your guard down.
But what's really interesting,I think about the continuum as
you get older it does go back to95-5 because you're okay being
alone, agree or disagree.
Katy Montgomery (19:08):
Yeah, and I want to stress that the word's
not alone.
It's like you know at a certainage that you've developed
really great friendships withyour siblings and your parents,
you've developed it withcoworkers and other people, and
you are.
You are not alone.
And that's one thing thatreally bothers me is this
general assumption that'sputting, it's the concept of
splitting, putting in like blackor white.
(19:30):
It's like you're either aloneor you're attached, whereas
there are some people who areattached and are incredibly
alone, and there are some peoplewho are alone and are
incredibly, you know, engagedand and have a sense of
community and I think that, um,I think this.
Justin Joseph (19:45):
You know I don't want to get into pop culture too
much, but, um, and Just Likethat, which was widely panned,
did you watch them?
Just like that, I did all theseason Widely panned, and I
think you know that was for mygeneration.
I watched all of them.
Katy Montgomery (19:56):
Yeah.
Justin Joseph (19:57):
I thought it caught its wind in this last
year, but I really think the waythey ended it was remarkable,
even though, again, they caughta ton of bad criticism.
She said in the end, I thinkthe last line was she was not
alone, she was on her own, and Ithought that was really
impactful.
Katy Montgomery (20:11):
Agreed, agreed, and I think kind of going back
to kind of Amy Poehler's adviceis a nice piece of advice to
have been is do your duediligence.
If you feel comfortable, basedon kind of the evidence you've
taken in, you can go ahead andsay this.
But if it doesn't work out,it's not what's exactly what
(20:34):
Sarah Jessica Parker says inthat very last line and I'd love
you just to repeat that again.
Justin Joseph (20:38):
The line was she was not alone, she was on her
own.
Katy Montgomery (20:42):
Yes, and so being on your own is not a
negative.
That would have been a nicekind of you know.
Footnote to Amy Polder's advice.
Justin Joseph (20:49):
So when we come back, we're going to talk about
two things Every segment, everythird segment in our show we're
going to talk.
There's a segment literallycalled can we talk about them?
Yes, we're going to talk aboutsomething could be doesn't have
to be advice, just be issomething that we need to talk
about.
So we're going to do that insegment three of our show, but
first we're going to revisitlast episode and, for those of
you who may have listened, itwas the restaurant episode where
(21:10):
Katy had very different takeson how you get upsold at a
restaurant versus cheap wine,etc.
Etc.
Is your teaser and I just wantto read it as we go to break.
It says I listened to youraccount of what happened at
dinner and I have to say I amsiding with Justin on this one.
We're going to talk about whyviewers are siding with me and
why you're wrong and why whatyou said was the wrong way
(21:31):
forward.
We're going to talk about that.
We'll make that back.
We'll be back in a moment.
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Announcer (22:04):
Roasting the worst advice ever.
Welcome back to the Katy andJustin podcast.
Katy Montgomery (22:08):
So we're back and I think what we're going to
do now is thank you so much forsome of you who've listened to
our first episode and gave ussome feedback.
We have a few questions and youknow Justin thinks he's always
right.
Justin Joseph (22:21):
I just say thank you for the feedback.
Who said that I was right inthe last episode?
That's the feedback.
I appreciate it.
It's most meaningful.
Yeah, I mean, of course it isbut my guess is which is in my
bed?
Katy Montgomery (22:38):
Yes, but whatever, okay, keep going.
Justin Joseph (22:41):
So this episode we all segment three we'd like
to talk about.
Can we talk about that?
But before you want to getthere first, you want to talk
about last episode.
Katy Montgomery (22:47):
Maybe talk about the last episode and
finish with the other.
Justin Joseph (22:49):
Why don't you summarize where we were last
episode?
Katy Montgomery (22:52):
Last episode, we all went out to dinner.
Justin became a littleself-righteous in response to
the waitress and some options ofcheap wine that were actually
not available and it made someof us really uncomfortable at
the table.
Justin, I think you landed onI'm not going to compromise my
(23:12):
principle for the relationshipsI had at the table that really
matter.
And my response was you know,is this really?
Justin Joseph (23:23):
are you going to die on that hill or are you
going to spend the time andenergy with the people who are
most important, yeah, and Ithink the last thing I said
which I stand by is you knowwhat, if, if standing by my
principals means Katy Montgomeryis a little uncomfortable, so
be it.
And let's go to some vieweremails which I think kind of
agree with me, and of course I'mcherry picking here.
Yes, Okay, let's share.
I mean, I had to get through alot to find something to support
(23:44):
a view.
But here's what I was surprisedto hear you bring up your
Southern roots and that Justinmade you uncomfortable.
Well, I appreciate yourfeelings.
It seems a disproportionatereaction to the situation.
Justin's core values are beingchallenged and a true friend
would understand that somethings are more important than a
momentary soak with comfort.
I think she brings my point.
(24:04):
Well, I think what she'sforgetting is that we literally
said and it may be a he, by theway, correct she signed AF, so
or he signed AF, okay.
Katy Montgomery (24:12):
So AF, what AF is probably not referencing
there is.
We only see each other inperson at most two to three
times a year, and so I think ifwe were taking bets in Vegas
which Justin is an expert atthat stuff I think people would
bet on my side.
Justin Joseph (24:30):
Oh my God, here's my favorite.
This is I got three of youremails that I'd like to
highlight.
This one's my favorite.
It's easy to get carried awaywhen telling a story, but
Justin's account film weregrounded in the facts.
That's like taking a bullet forreal.
Since I am the I like to.
I'm the hyperbolistic.
Katy Montgomery (24:50):
I'd like to also state that in our last
episode you'd like to refer tome as a drama queen and I played
into that, so that might be alittle skewed reader.
What's those initials?
Justin Joseph (25:00):
Those initials are an unbiased observer.
Katy Montgomery (25:05):
Okay, again, would you like to?
Justin Joseph (25:06):
read any of yours or could you not get any that
were supportive.
Katy Montgomery (25:09):
Well, I think what's interesting is people
want to really know what's goingon, and I think what's
interesting is people want toknow Justin, and it may be
ridiculous, but I do think it'spretty funny.
Can you elaborate on yourfeelings about expensive wine?
Or you don't feel like it'sworth it.
Justin Joseph (25:26):
Well, look, I mean, I feel like when you just
talk about wine generally,unless you're getting into four
or five-barrel bottles generally, a $100 bottle of wine is going
to taste the same, and maybefor a little bit.
Katy Montgomery (25:37):
You drink a lot of wine.
I do, but you skew the facts.
It was not a hundred dollarbottle of wine, it was the
second least.
It was $89.
It was $69.
You love to exaggerate.
You love to exaggerate.
People out there want to knowwhy you were drinking piss at a
nice restaurant.
(25:57):
And I think you're stillscrewing around with the fact
that you like to drink a lot ofwine.
You just passed everything.
Justin Joseph (26:07):
You know what it's?
Okay, I'm sweating now.
Okay, okay, all right.
Katy Montgomery (26:11):
I really think that we should get this last
second, because what we aregoing to share, it's not just
been ticking you off and me off.
Yeah, I mean, the internet isover, yeah, over this, and let
me just say you know me, I meanI.
Justin Joseph (26:25):
What we're about to talk about is, um, maybe you
said it up, but um, I was at abaseball game last week and you
know you had foul balls, and Imean aside from me, like hiding
because I have a fear of lifeand getting hit by one.
That's a children's moment ahundred percent.
Katy Montgomery (26:39):
And I think when does it come to where
people just can't live in themoment, like whatever happened
to, kind of like?
You know what is that famouscredence, credence career water
revival song, you know?
You know it's about likestealing home and like.
Announcer (26:55):
Americana and feeling it.
Katy Montgomery (26:56):
And it's people are so caught up in?
Where's the?
Where is the prize?
Where is the famous, you know,like Instagram post?
Why aren't we just living inthe moment and letting kids
having this moment of summer andenjoyment?
Justin Joseph (27:13):
And it's a great setup for this.
This is a from KTLA Newscastout of Los Angeles.
I think he does a nice job ofsummarizing it.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
We'll come back and talk about it on the other side,
an update on the Internet'snewest villain, the woman that
they call Philly's Karen Home.
Run into the stands at thePhilly's Marlin game on Friday,
sent fans scrambling hot potatolike everybody's at a barbecue,
and then suddenly is that a cat.
Whose cat is that I?
Whose cat is that?
I don't know, Just get it.
So a dad scooped up the ball,took it back to his son, and
then a woman races over andconfronts the dad and demands
(27:42):
the ball from the child.
Katy Montgomery (27:45):
What is wrong with this person?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Eventually the dad gives in and ends up handing
over the ball.
Some are defending her.
One commenter said she's asweet old woman and dad took
advantage of her lack of agility.
The ball landed, I guess, nearher.
Yeah, that happened to me once.
Katy Montgomery (28:00):
Okay, so people are saying that she was closer
and she should have gotten.
Justin Joseph (28:05):
Mercy, she has the worst jeans I've ever seen
on and I would never be picturedfor me talking to those jeans.
Katy Montgomery (28:11):
Well, I didn't pay that much attention to it,
but you know we talked about thewrong way forward, which
clearly keep the Phillies, karen.
But I do want to note that theright way forward was the father
.
The father was surprised by theinteraction and, in order to
defuse the situation, handed thebottle to her and said just go
with it and, not to surprise you, I will take the exact opposite
(28:31):
side.
Justin Joseph (28:32):
I think that's totally wrong, because the
father literally threw his handup and gave her the ball.
I couldn't surprise you that.
I would have punched her in herface not really but I would
have stood my ground and saidI'm sorry, whoever you are, this
is my son's ball.
You are not.
I would have been much meanerthan that and I have to tell you
.
Katy Montgomery (28:50):
But I think seeing in front, being seen in
front of a child, is sayingthings.
This is a good, it's not thatimportant, it was a teaching
moment.
It's a teaching moment.
But I think what is reallyinteresting about this and we
also saw this at the us openwith the ceo who grabbed, you
know like for those who didn'tsee, explain that um.
So a child um, was in line alongwith some other people to get
(29:11):
some swag from some players whowere signing balls and signing
hands, and handed something, andthe adult CEO grabbed it,
rather than the kid who was itwas intended for, and I think
what.
I think the bigger thing aboutthe wrong way forward here is
that literally, why are weputting such importance on a
(29:32):
small good like this?
You know, why is this like theend-all be and you know?
And the thing that's reallyfunny is, in both of these cases
, the right way forward was bothof those organizations, both
MLB and the USTA, responded andthose children both had a better
experience afterwards becausethey remedied the situation.
Justin Joseph (29:53):
I say vomit on that Wrong advice.
I disagree.
I think the fact the fathershiphas stood the ground kept the
ball disagree.
I think the fact the fathershould have stood to the ground
kept the ball.
And I think if they would havedone what you're talking about
and had the MLB step in and givethis child a consolation prize,
it teaches the child the wronglesson.
The lesson is you stand up forwhat is right.
And his father should havestood up and said that's my
son's ball, he's keeping it andyou can go F--o and you all know
(30:16):
what that means yes, and Ithink the bigger thing is is
that we are not going to fight.
Katy Montgomery (30:22):
We are a sense of community.
There are certain you knowplans that we, we form together
where we are not going to actout, and you know what it is a
ball.
There are things that are moreoh, so interesting.
Justin Joseph (30:34):
I really did not expect to disagree on this, and
we don't we, for those out there, we try not to talk about this
before.
I thought we were on the sameside on this.
I disagree, no, I would havegiven the ball back and I would
have kept it because my sonneeds to see there are things
we're fighting for, and an uglynasty person not a woman here,
but an ugly nasty person doesn'tget a win just because they're
ugly and nasty.
Katy Montgomery (30:59):
But a children flies in the face of my mind
exactly, and for me, I think I Ithink it's a bigger thing.
It's like, you know, decorummatters, you know it's, it's
these are, these are goods,these are not things that are
worth kind of dying on the vinefor.
And I think at that point, Ithink that father handles
himself with such grace and at,at the end of the day, him
handling himself with grace,think about if that played out
(31:21):
further.
He might not have won thebenefit of most of the Internet
and also the MLB, where that kidgot to later get a goodie bag
and meet with the player.
Justin Joseph (31:32):
Well, did that happen?
Yes, oh, I didn't know.
Ok, but let me just change thescenario.
We've got only a few minutesleft your niece through your
door, mary luckett and luck andluckett your niece who you adore
and luckett, you adore her.
Yes, you were at a concert andher favorite artist was adele,
and adele threw out a t-shirtand this happened in that
scenario and you knew how muchand luckett loved adele and she
(31:55):
caught the t-shirt and somenasty person came up and
demanded it.
Would that have changed yourcalculus?
Because it was your niece whoyou love and adore and you're
not for no, I would have saidyou know what we don't resort to
.
Katy Montgomery (32:06):
This is not a fight worth fighting for and
we'll make it up and there arenasty people and let them have
this, because I really hope.
If Adele's concert and at-shirt is is the prize in your
life, it ain't looking good foryour future all right.
Well, this is interestingbecause, again, I expect us to
agree on this, but this would bethe first of many times where
(32:28):
we see the world differently,and not surprisingly exactly
we'll wait for your viewerviewer emails on this one and
we'll see how they uh landexactly, and so just to kind of
wrap up, cause it's time to go,we want to again thank you all
for being here.
We would love for you If youhave not yet followed, please
follow.
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(32:51):
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We'd love to hear from you.
Justin Joseph (33:01):
Love to hear from you.
The next episode we're going totake on the advice of one of
America's most beloved Beloved.
Is it beloved or beloved?
Katy Montgomery (33:07):
I say beloved, but she's.
I mean, she's not beloved by me, but she's beloved by me.
Justin Joseph (33:12):
We're going to take on advice of literally one
of the country's leading advicegivers.
I would say Right, that way Ido agree with that we're going
to tell you why she was 100%wrong in her advice.
Yeah, wrong way forward, we'llsee you next week on Wrong Way
Forward.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of
Wrong Way Forward.
Remember, the only thing worsethan taking bad advice is giving
it.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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