March 31, 2025 • 38 mins
Test your psychological intuition by predicting the choices of infamous serial killer Richard Ramirez in this game show format that explores the developmental trajectory of the Night Stalker. Through a series of questions, contestants (and listeners) attempt to think like a madman to determine whether great or gruesome minds truly think alike.
• Richard Ramirez's troubled childhood included significant head trauma, an abusive alcoholic father, and growing up in poverty in El Paso
• His cousin Mike, a Vietnam veteran, introduced young Richard to graphic depictions of violence and sexual assault through war photos
• Contestants predict key decisions in Ramirez's life like where he would sleep to avoid abuse.
• The podcast reveals how Ramirez escalated from voyeurism to burglary to sexual assault and eventually murder
• Ramirez's embrace of Satanism served as psychological justification for his crimes, believing Satan would protect him
• Disturbing revelation that many contestants can correctly predict the choices of a serial killer when given enough context
• Exploration of how trauma, environment, and influence can shape a deeply disturbed individual
Want to test your own psychological intuition? Follow "You Might Be a Madman" wherever you get your podcasts and see if your mind works like history's most notorious criminals.
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
00:19 Welcome to 'You Might Be a Madman'
01:30 Meet the Contestants
03:21 Introducing Today's Madman: Richard Ramirez
03:33 Richard Ramirez's Troubled Childhood
05:06 First Question: Richard's Early Choices
10:15 Richard's Teenage Years and Influences
12:16 Second Question: Escaping Home
18:34 Richard's Descent into Darkness
19:10 Richard's Troubled Employment at Holiday Inn
20:08 A Question of Where to Sleep
25:00 Living with Crazy Cousin Mike
26:15 Voyeuristic Nights with Roberto and Mike
30:05 Moving to California and Drug Addiction
30:44 Final Round: The Culmination of Madness
37:19 Conclusion and Prize Announcement
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome to you Might Be a Madman.
The game show podcast where weexplore the lives of history's
most infamous figures and testyour knowledge and intuition
along the way.
Do you think alike?
Do you have the mind of amaniac?
Let's play, you might be amadman.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
All right, thank you.
Thank you everyone.
Man, I do not tire of that warmwelcome.
And speaking of welcome, wewelcome you to.
You Might Be a Madman, the gameshow podcast where your ability
to think like the criminallyinsane will be put to the test.
I'm your host, jon Zapp.
Today, I'll present to youbrief segments of history
associated with a particularnotorious nutcase.
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You, along with our contestants, will then be challenged with
questions as we progress.
Where will the madman go?
Why did he do that?
What will he do next?
Your task is to place yourselfin the mind of the maniac to see
if great or gruesome mindsthink alike.
Be warned, as you may alreadysuspect, wrong answers could
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prove to be positive and winningmight be considered cause for
concern.
Before we begin, let's meettoday's contestants.
Our first contestant is Davefrom Harrisburg, pennsylvania.
Hello everyone.
Hey Dave, how's it going?
Doing, well doing well, veryhappy to be here.
Very happy to be here, nice,nice, nice.
Dave, I was reading up on yourcontestant questionnaire and I
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see that, despite your age, youstill fancy ketchup on scrambled
eggs.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I do much like a three-year-old.
How about that?
And maybe that's psychotic,maybe it makes me a madman, I
don't know.
We'll find out.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I don't know what to say.
No, a little hot sauce too.
You eat what you like, that'sright.
Good for you.
You're a grown-ass man, that'sit.
Our second contestant hailingfrom Lower Swat Era Township,
Pennsylvania, is Matt.
Hello everyone, Hi, Hi everyone.
Welcome to our show, Welcome toour show.
I am excited and we are excitedto have you, matt.
I was reading your contestantquestionnaire and I and I see
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that you prefer wheat toast overall other breads offered at
diners and restaurants forbreakfast.
Yes, I do.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I have a sort of allergy to some of the regular
white toast that they present.
It usually gives me a stomachupset.
I have to run to the bathroomrather quickly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I see Now I've been to certain establishments that
offer an English muffin as abread substitute.
Have you asked for or triedthat no?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I have not.
I do like a wheat Englishmuffin.
They do have wheat muffinsSticking with the wheat, with
peanut butter.
I like peanut butter and butter.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Not unlike Dave, you eat what you like, you know what
you like, you know what's goodfor you.
I appreciate that.
Now, between the both of youand your breakfast delights, it
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Yeah right, for the summertime,I'm guessing.
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Speaker 3 (03:20):
All right, all right, all right everyone.
Today's madman is none otherthan the infamous Richard
Ramirez, known to many as theNight Stalker.
Strap on your thinking caps.
Let's get into our firstsegment.
Richard Ramirez, born onFebruary 29th 1960, started life
as the youngest of fivechildren in a Mexican-American
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family in El Paso, texas.
From as early as his infancy,richard's well-being faced
various challenges.
His family was very poor,forcing them to reside in an
impoverished community.
When he was two years old, adresser fell on him, causing a
deep laceration to his head.
At age five, he was struck inthe head again by a swing at a
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neighborhood playground,resulting in further head trauma
.
These and a number of otherincidents led to Richard
suffering from epileptic fitsand seizures and other disorders
that would go on to affectRichard for the rest of his life
.
Family dynamics also played acritical role in his development
.
Richard's father, julian,became a railroad laborer upon
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the family's move to America.
Prior to that, however, he wasa municipal policeman in Juarez,
prone to bouts with alcoholism.
He raised all of the Ramirezchildren in a stern environment
and was often abusive to allmembers of the family, including
Richard's mother, and was oftenabusive to all members of the
family, including Richard'smother, helping to make ends
meet.
Richard's mother, mercedes,worked long hours in a boot
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factory, Between his mother'sdemanding schedule and
attempting to avoid his fatheras best he could.
Richard grew up with littleparental guidance and a
considerable degree ofunstructured freedom.
At this time, richard was justnine years old.
All right, everyone on to ourfirst question.
Richard's life was off to arocky start from the beginning,
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what with growing up in theghetto and being attacked by
falling dressers andindiscriminate playground
equipment.
Add to that an abusive fatherand an absent mother.
Richard was left to his owndevices.
Of the following four optionswhat would you have done at that
age if you were in Richard'ssituation?
Would you A Run away and join agang.
B Look to your older siblingsfor guidance.
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C Keep to yourself and occupyyour time with movies, music and
media of your choosingessentially just hanging out in
your own room.
Or D give drugs or alcohol atry.
You have 10 seconds, all right,everyone.
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Let's see what you have.
Dave, let's start with you.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
All right, Zap, so I'm looking at this at nine
years old, if this is me, andthis is 1969 by now, correct?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, we're in the 1960s.
Nine years later, your math isimpeccable.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Impeccable.
Yeah, look at that.
So I'm not going to run awayand join a gang.
I'm not about that life.
I would maybe look to an oldersibling for guidance, so that
would be an option.
Maybe 1969?
I don't think I'm going to belooking at movies, music and
media because there's notprobably a lot available at home
.
If this was currently, I couldsee that happening with gaming
and everything else.
You get lost in that drugs oralcohol, try.
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I don't think I do that either.
At nine I had some badexperience too early.
Maybe, I don't know, okay'd dothat either.
At nine, I had some badexperiences Too early.
Maybe I don't know.
Okay, I think I'm probablygoing to go to B on this one and
look to an older brother orolder sibling for guidance.
That's probably what I wouldend up doing, I believe.
All right.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Not a bad option.
It seems reasonable.
Matt, how about you?
What would you do at this ripeyoung age?
What?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
would you do at this ripe young age?
Well, yes, young Richard isnine years old, as we stated.
I'm much like him.
I am a New Mexican American, soI understand growing up a lot
of gang violence a lot of gangs,Not old Mexico but New.
Mexico.
There is a New Mexico.
I don't know if anybody outthere is listening.
But yeah, so, yeah, a gang,they're prevalent, but I don't
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know, in the 60s, I mean, youhave a couple bad hombres out
there, but you're nine years old, you're not going to be like a
tough gang member.
I think his siblings they'rejust as jacked up as he is.
I mean, you're living in thesame house, I don't think
they're.
They're very much differentthan he is.
So I don't want to go with thesiblings either.
Hmm, occupier time movies,music and media it Uh, there's a
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lot of good like people tofollow, a lot of good music at
that time.
Movies are probably cheap andget in there.
For I mean, this sounds a lotlike me right now.
So I'm like, I'm like yeah, thatthat doesn't sound so bad.
Does that afford?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
to it Right.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah, and drugs and alcohol at at nine.
I mean there is you.
I mean it is 69, I guess youcould turn to that it's.
You can get it anywhere prettymuch, but not as a nine-year-old
.
But I think I'm gonna go withuh, occupy your time like try to
just keep your mind.
I keep listening to some tunes.
Maybe hang outside of like aarena somewhere.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
All right, so you're going with option c.
Basically, keep to yourself.
I'm just gonna hang out in myroom, or hang out my friends do
whatever, I'm nine, there's notmuch else going on.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Just you know, occupy my time movies, music, hanging
with yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
All right.
Well, gentlemen, on a recap,dave, you had gone with option B
.
Look to your older siblings forguidance.
In my opinion, dave, you arethinking like a madman.
Oh no man, that's not good.
Indeed.
Richard Ram, a madman indeed.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Richard ramirez did look to his siblings for help
and guidance and will soon learnwhere that leads him.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
His family's all messed up speaking of messed up,
matt, you went with option ckeep to yourself and occupy your
time with movies, music andmedia of your choosing.
You also are thinking like amadman.
I.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I love that Indeed.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Switcheroo.
As we will soon find out,richard was prone to keep to
himself and found his way tobooks, movies and other material
that most parents would find,shall we say, objectionable.
You know, in fact, running awayand joining a gang might be the
only thing that could have kepthim out of trouble.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Yes, there you go.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But we shall see, yeah, the only thing that could
have kept him out of trouble.
Yes, there you go, but we shallsee.
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Speaker 3 (10:04):
All right, welcome back everyone.
Welcome back.
In our first segment we learnedabout Richard's rocky start at
life.
So far, our contestants aretied one to one.
Let's move on, shall we?
By the time Richard was just 10years old, he was already
drinking alcohol and smoking pot.
He sought guidance from hissiblings, but that proved to be
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of little help.
For example, his older brothers, reuben and Robert, frequently
conflicted with the law bycommitting petty theft and other
crimes.
Richard's crime-riddenneighborhood and the chaos and
discord therein didn't help, andschool was of little to no help
.
Richard suffered from dyslexia,which led to difficulties with
reading and writing, which ledto low academic performance,
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which, when also considering hisneighborhood, led to bullying.
Hoping to avoid the societalmess in which he lived, richard
immersed himself in solitaryactivities.
He developed an earlyfascination with the gruesome
and macabre, often engrossinghimself in horror films and
tales that encouraged a growingobsession with death and
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ritualistic symbolism.
Forever seeking guidance fromsiblings and family members,
ramirez found a resoundinglyterrible influence from his
older cousin, miguel Vales,that's Mike for non-Mexican folk
.
Miguel Vales, that's Mike fornon-Mexican folk.
Mike was a decorated greenberet in the Vietnam War, but
Mike was also a serial killerand a rapist.
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During his tour of duty, mikeintroduced Richard to graphic
stories of the rapes, murders,dismemberments and decapitations
he performed while in Vietnam.
He'd even gone on to sharePolaroid pictures of his war
crimes with Richard.
This only served to fuelRichard's growing obsession with
horrid things that can be doneto a human body.
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Meanwhile, richard's life athome didn't improve at all.
His father's anger wouldregularly manifest itself with
violence toward Richard and hismother.
Oftentimes he found himselfrunning away at night to find
safety and solace elsewhere.
In times like this, he simplywanted to be alone.
By now Richard was 13 years old.
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All right, that takes us to oursecond question.
Richard's life has so farcontinued down a terrible path.
His upbringing is taking a turnfor the worse from every angle,
to the point where he fearsbeing at home at night.
We've all been through ourterrible teens.
I'm sure we all gave thought torunning away at one point or
another.
Now of the following fouroptions at age 13, where might
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you sleep at night to avoidgetting a beating at home?
Option A the local church.
Option B the local cemetery.
Option C the local junkyardfull of abandoned vehicles.
Or option D your cousin Mike'shouse.
That's the sicko Vietnamveteran guy.
You have 10 seconds, all right,everyone, let's see what you've
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got.
Matt, we'll start with you Atage 13,.
Where might you sleep at nightto avoid getting a beating at
home?
Speaker 5 (13:22):
So Slick Rick, he's already.
This is between 10 and 13.
So now I went through all mydrugs and alcohol.
I'm still hanging out.
My brothers are weird.
I'm 13 now, so to avoid gettingthe beating at home local
church, you could get a beatingthere.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, it could be scary.
You gotta watch out for thepredators.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I was thinking completely the the other way,
like I remember getting beatlike beatings, like my parents
signed off on um corporalpunishment clauses like, oh wow,
nuns, priests, lay, teachers,they were absolutely permitted
to beat me oh yeah, yeah, Idon't want to mess around there,
they would hit you in the backof the head.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
You get the slap, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we didn't get the therulers on the knuckles thing
like you see in movies, but I doremember getting hit in the
back of the head.
But uh, yeah, the church, no,staying away from their local
cemetery, I think that would bepeaceful, that would be a place
like, if he's into like deadthings, I think you might find
that comforting.
Um, so I'm thinking about thatone, uh, junkyard, abandoned
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vehicles.
Me as a 13 year old, I wouldlike, I would probably spend,
I'd be up all night going intocars trying to find like stereos
or something like looking atlike I think that'd be a neat
place to like hang out.
So I wouldn't, I wouldn't go tosleep there.
And uh, mike's house, that'sanother place he might find,
kind of he likes.
You know, it's like going toyour friend's house whose dad's
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has like the dirty magazinesright he might find that a nice
place to go.
It might be warm and cozy forhim, but me at 13, being rick, I
would say the cemetery okay,now you don't have to be rick or
richard, or this is just youbeing you being me, I yeah, the
cemetery would probably be themost peaceful spot.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Okay, I would like that that's going with option B,
the local cemetery.
Dave, at age 13,.
Where might you sleep at nightto avoid getting a beating at
home?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, matt, I like the way you think because I was
thinking a lot of the samethings.
The church would be a littlescary at night.
I don't know, I wouldn't wantto be there at night.
Number one I just think itwould creep me out a little bit
just being in church alone.
The cemetery the same way.
I think at night I'd be alittle freaked out.
But I'm watching these horrormovies and I'm into all that
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stuff.
I might like the macabre.
That might be comforting to me.
I might want to sleep there.
The local junkyard withabandoned vehicles in 73,
there's going to be some nicevehicles there.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Some big comfy vehicles I could see the back of
, like a Lincoln Town car.
Sure, you know there's some.
It might be more comfortablethan my house.
Cars that would someday go onto maybe be low riders, low
riders and other things likethat, so I could definitely see
some comfortable spots.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Rolling with my Cholos.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, so I'm going to come back to that one, the
cousin's house as well.
If that's like somebody you'relooking up to for me, I might be
tempted with that, but I thinkthe things that he was showing
would be off putting to me, soI'd probably want to try to stay
away from that.
The nudie mags and all thatmight be cool.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I'm thinking I'm probably going to go with C, the
local junkyard, that would beme, the abandoned vehicles.
I think I could find a comfyspot in there and a carburetor
if I need it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
There's that All right, fellas.
Let's recap.
Matt, given the situation atage 13, where would you sleep at
night?
To avoid getting a beating athome, you chose option B the
local graveyard.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yeah, can I like enhance on that real quick?
I just think it wouldn't belike over, like where the
gravestone or anything is Likethere would have to be like a
little shack there or somethingLike a mausoleum yeah, like you
could like make a nice littlearea beside it Like I.
Yeah, like you could like makea nice little area beside it
Like I'm not sleeping on a grave, but somewhere in the cemetery.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Hey look, no problem with that, yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'll take it, or like a nice tree.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
If I can help to put your mind at ease, I slept in a
graveyard twice in my life.
Yep, a group of us.
Now, this was a group of us.
We just went out one night andwe just crashed in the graveyard
.
You'll find no calmer, morepeaceful place in the graveyard.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah that's wild.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But indeed it was a group of us.
Nonetheless, matt, you choselocal graveyard.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Yes, yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Matt, I gotta say you are thinking like a madman.
Oh, wow.
Indeed.
Ramirez sought to escape fromhis father's violence by
sleeping in a local cemetery.
Dave, at age 13, you wouldsleep at night to avoid getting
a beating at option C, the localjunkyard full of abandoned
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vehicles.
Alas, you're not thinking likea madman.
Good, good, good, indeed.
Fun fact, on the occasions whenhis father would actually find
him at the cemetery, his fatherwould tie him to a crucifix in
that cemetery overnight aspunishment yeah, I tell you
where he wouldn't find him afurniture store, all those
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dressers in there oh no, I meanthat's, that's ptsd for him for
sure he was attacked by one atage two good memory there in the
head a lot, yeahin that last segment there was
only one answer that would leadone to think like a madman, and
that was staying at the localcemetery.
I thought that would be theleast.
Well, either way, that bringsour score with matt in the lead
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two to one, and we move on toour next segment.
By the time time Richard turned14, he graduated from marijuana
and made his way to using LSD,thanks mostly to his cousin,
mike.
Taking Richard under his wing,mike taught his young cousin
some of his military skills,including stealth and kill
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tactics.
Richard's pubescent urges hadlong been warped.
He didn't fantasize about nakedladies or what the women in the
Sears catalog looked likewithout their lingerie.
Thanks to his cousin Mike,richard's fantasies were those
of forced bondage, murder,mutilation and rape.
Still 14 years old, richardsomehow secured employ at the
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local Holiday Inn.
Old Richard somehow securedemploy at the local Holiday Inn.
When necessary, he found hisway to sleep in vacant hotel
rooms on nights when things gottoo terrible at home.
Industriously, richard would goon to use his master key to rob
patrons while they slept.
His throbbing carnal urgeswould, however, get a hold of
him from time to time.
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On one occasion, richardmolested two children in one of
the hotel's elevators.
It was never reported.
On another occasion, whilerobbing a hotel room, richard
attempted to rape the womanwho'd been sleeping there.
The only thing that stopped himwas the victim's husband
unexpectedly returning to theroom.
The husband beat the daylightsout of Ramirez and criminal
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charges were filed, but theywere later dropped by the couple
when they elected to not returnto Texas to testify against
Ramirez.
Ramirez lost his job.
That brings us to our thirdquestion.
Ramirez was now jobless and wasno longer able to rob customers
at the hotel.
You can imagine that once wordgot back to his parents as to
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why he was fired from his job,living at home was completely
out of the question.
You're 14 years old and yourlife is going in every wrong
direction, but you still need aplace to sleep.
Of the following choices, wherewould you go?
Option A the home of your olderbrother, the petty criminal.
Option B the home of your crazycousin Mike at Vietnam Vet.
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Option C the home of your oldersister and her husband.
Or option D the closest oilfield you can find.
You have 10 seconds, All right,dave, we'll start with you.
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Similar to our last questionwhere would you have gone to
sleep?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
The older brother and the cousin at this point, like
I would want to probably avoidthem because I'd want to try to
like turn my life around.
I would believe you know what Imean.
So the sister and the husbandmight be a welcome place to go.
Option c is looking good to me,but also d the oil field, like
if I can make some money offthat maybe go there.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You know what I mean.
Like, why not?
That's very, uh, enterprisingof you.
Yeah, if I could go there, andyou know what I mean.
Why not?
Speaker 4 (21:36):
That's very enterprising of you.
Yeah, if I could go there anddrill and drill, baby drill,
baby drill make some money.
D might be looking good too,but I'm thinking that, for the
comfort of it, I'm going to golive with my sister.
Okay, so I'm going to go with C.
I've been sick.
The D's looking good as welllet's say you.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
It's very similar to our last question.
You're just a year older.
Where would you go?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
to sleep, All right.
Well, Dave, I see your thinkingthere, but I'm thinking as 14
year old me.
Where would be like the coolplace to be?
So if you go to your olderbrother, petty criminal, you
might get in a little troublehere and there, but lots of weed
, lots of liquor, maybe a hookeror two yeah, dude's 14 um, the
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home of your crazy cousin mike.
I still wouldn't really be ableto like sleep there because
mike you know, with all thesepictures he got lying around, I
don't know if like one night, ifhe loses this shit yeah, he'll
like stab me in the chest orsomething I don't need.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Flashbacks are a thing.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, I don't need that shit I'd be scared, scared
of Mike, I think.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It won't be a comfortable placeto be the home of sister and
her husband.
I don't really know much aboutthem.
I mean he don't really speak ofhis sister much, so I don't
know how close he would be toher.
And the oil field Another thingwould be like the cemetery.
I find it comforting.
There's probably not manypeople out there, but like a
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coyote or something.
Yeah, I don't in texas, I don'tknow about that.
But um, yeah, I'm gonna have togo with my older brother on
this one.
Being 14 years old, want somestrange.
That's a fun place to begetting some weed I can dig it.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, okay, that's what I would go with I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Let's see all right, dave.
You went option C, the home ofhis older sister and her husband
Matt.
You decided to go the coolroute and went with option A,
the home of his older brother,that petty criminal.
Neither of you are thinkingvery much like a madman.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
That's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Indeed, the way that RichardRamirez went was actually option
B, option C.
He moved in with his crazycousin Mike, that Vietnam vet.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That could turn the tables for him.
That's a comfy spot for him.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
As chance would have it, his older brother was
actually in jail by now.
Oh, there you go so that was atrick question, that was
trickannery Trick-ish and theoil field, that was just a red
herring.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Okay, because I was thinking about that one.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Well, that leaves our score the same at 2-1, with
Matt in the lead.
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Welcome back, thank you.
Thank you.
In our second and thirdsegments we continued on with
Richard's formative years, histroubled family life and his
difficulties finding a place tosleep.
Currently, our score is Mattwith two, dave with one.
With nowhere to turn, ramirezmoved into the house of his
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crazy Vietnam vet cousin, mike,and his wife Josefina.
Two years earlier, mike andJosefina's son, miguel Jr, died
in a terrible gas explosion.
Mike hadn't been the same sinceand his drug use became more
and more intolerable.
In the same sense, and his druguse became more and more
(25:25):
intolerable.
On May 4th 1975, crazy cousinMike and Josefina had gotten
into an argument.
In the throes of theirbickering, mike shot her in the
face with a handgun.
She died almost instantly.
Ramirez witnessed the entireexchange.
Moreover, some of Josefina'sblood splattered on Ramirez's
face.
Instead of feelings of shockand trauma, ramirez would go on
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to recall that he instead feltfascination and intrigue.
Mike would go on to be foundnot guilty of murder in any
degree.
Rather, he was found not guiltyby reason of insanity, due to
PTSD, and would go on to becommitted to a mental hospital.
Within days after the shooting,ramirez dropped out of high
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school with only a little morethan a month before the end of
his freshman year, he moved inwith his sister, ruth, and her
husband, roberto.
Unknown to Ruth, Roberto was anobsessive peeping Tom.
He would tell her he was goingout for walks at night, which
was true, but each and everywalk included him spying on
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nearby women through the windowsof their homes.
Not long after he moved in,richard began joining Roberto on
his nightly peep strolls.
Two years after having shot andkilled his wife, mike was
released from the mentalinstitution.
Soon he too began joiningRichard and Roberto on their
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nightly strolls into thevoyeuristic world of the
depraved.
Years would go by Night afternight.
Richard was filling his headwith visions of women through
their windows and thoughts ofwhat he might do with them.
Alright, that brings us to ourfourth question.
It's clear that Richard'sinvolvement with Roberto and
Mike only fueled his fiendishlife.
(27:14):
The years have gone by andRichard is soon to turn 22 years
old.
And Richard is soon to turn 22years old.
Of the following options at 22years old, with no job and no
high school diploma, what wouldyou do with your life?
Option A give in to yourvoyeuristic urges and rape one
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of those women you see everynight.
Option B continue to live withyour sister and her husband in
El Paso and hope for the best.
Option C stay in El Paso but atleast move out of your sister's
house.
Or option D roll the dice andmove to California.
You have 10 seconds.
(27:56):
All right, let's see what wegot.
Matt at age 22, no job, no highschool diploma what would you
have done with your life?
Speaker 5 (28:16):
well a given to your voyeuristic urges and rate one
of those women you see everynight Okay, you're going right
to jail with that.
So I don't know, at 22, hecould be tempted.
He's hanging with a stellargroup, like those guys at night,
it's like the three amigos man,I don't.
But you got to avoid A.
That's just jail time from thedoor.
Continue to live with yoursister and her husband in El
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Paso.
Hope for the best.
El Paso is getting boring tohim.
I think I think he's done withthe El Paso.
That's the same with C.
Stay in El Paso, but move outof your sister's house.
I think he's had enough of thattown.
I think he's rolling the dice.
He's going back to Cali.
I say California, dreaming.
What would you do?
I would go to California.
(28:58):
Just, I think I've alwayswanted to go there.
I think you know it'd be a funplace.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
To be Fair enough, Dave, how about you, 22 years
old, no job, no high schooldiploma?
What would you do with yourlife?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, I'm thinking like mad here.
You know it's not going tohappen.
You know I'm having bad luck inEl Paso.
It's been 22 years and it'sjust nothing but bad stuff going
on.
At 22, I'm probably thinkinglet me just get out of here and
start over, go to California,get away from everybody and see
if I can get stuff straightenedout.
(29:31):
None of these seem good.
These are risk.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
These are good answers, though I think I would.
If I was in his shoes, I wouldhitchhike to california yeah,
that's me of those options.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
That's what I'm gonna do.
I just gotta get away fromthese people.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
It seems like everybody's got issues,
hopefully a fresh start yeahyeah, maybe get a job, get a
little place on the beachinteresting all right.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So both of you went with option d.
You're gonna roll the dice andmove to california, leave behind
.
I hate to say it, but I likewhat you're doing.
Both of you are thinking like amadman.
Oh man, this guy.
Indeed, Ramirez would soon moveto California and stay with his
brother, Ruben, for a while.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
This is a different brother.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
From the beginning.
That was one of the two eldersthat were getting into trouble.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Like Ruben and Roberto or Ruben, and who was
the other one.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Robert, trouble, like ruben and roberto, or ruben,
and who's the other one, robert,robert, robert, yeah, not to be
confused with roberto, that washis cousin ruth's husband okay
cousin was crazy mike all right,who shot his wife and only did
a two-year stint in a in awhatever well, he was great.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
He was a vietnam vet, probably had the ptsd, like
they said, so they gave him alenient sentence.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah I would avoid family all altogether if I'm
this guy.
I'm surprised he did that.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
All right, we're soon to enter our final round.
This round represents theculmination of crazy, the
epitome of insanity.
This round will test yourtenacity, determine whether you
might be a madman.
A correct answer in this roundwill award you three points.
Our current score has Matt withthree and Dave with two.
We hope you've been keepingyour own score and equally hope
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that you've been enjoying ourexcursion into the extreme.
Ready to embark on our lastround, richard has since moved
on to California to live withhis brother Ruben and his wife.
It's 1982, and it didn't takelong for Richard to discover the
joys of cocaine.
An addiction like that requiresmoney and, without a job or
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high school diploma, hesupported himself by burglary.
When he wasn't stealing, tosupport his habit, he sat around
fantasizing about sadistic sex.
He had no normal relationshipswith women.
The only sex he had was withprostitutes.
Eventually, the cocaine wasn'tdoing the trick for Richard.
He began using PCP, also knownas angel dust.
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The PCP did nothing but deepenhis aggressiveness and psychosis
.
In fact, one day he releasedhis aggression on another addict
by tying her up, ripping offher clothes and raping her
several times, thrilled by thepower he had over her.
This became a profound momentin his life and he wanted more.
(32:16):
By now, richard discovered thelife and times of Anton LaVey,
the founder of the Church ofSatan in San Francisco.
Though initially compelled tojoin their rituals, he chose to
be a lone practitioner of hisown satanic beliefs.
Despite having been raisedCatholic, his newfound reverence
to Satan came with the beliefthat the devil would protect him
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and empower him, according toRamirez.
Belief that the devil wouldprotect him and empower him.
According to Ramirez, satanrepresented what he felt.
He wasn't like other people.
His sexual desires were just assane as anyone else's and Satan
would protect him.
All right, everyone.
Our final question Sounds likeRamirez has a new lease on life.
(32:58):
He's got the power of Satanbehind him, but he's still got
that nasty drug addiction totend to.
If you were a drug-addictedSatan worshiper, what would you
do next?
Option A start your own church.
Option B continue to burglehomes, believing that Satan
would protect you.
Option C follow up on beatingand raping another woman,
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believing that Satan wouldprotect you.
Option C follow up on beatingand raping another woman,
believing that Satan wouldprotect you.
Or option D take the beatingthing to the next level and
murder your victims instead.
You have 10 seconds.
Okay, for our final question,dave.
(33:46):
We'll start with you.
Of the four choices you'd had,what would you do next?
All right, zab, I'm looking atthese four answers here, and
these are four sins.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
There's something for damn sure.
Yeah, so I got to look at itthat way.
I could start my own church,but that's kind of sacrilegious
right.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
You know what I mean.
You and I know this as devoutCatholics.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Right.
So that might be an optionbecause that might be the lesser
of these four.
Okay, but I'm thinking, if Icontinue to burglar homes and,
you know, believe that Satanwill protect me, robbing these
houses and stuff that doesn'tseem as bad as the bottom two.
They're beating women andraping women and doing all that
stuff.
So I think I might go withoption B here and just continue
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burglaring homes.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Of all these sins, you're saying that's the least
aggressive sin, I'm sorry, theleast invasive sin.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Yeah, because I mean the start your own church I
think could get you a lot Likeas far as money, sex, all that
stuff that might be the mostactually like.
We see people that start cultsand do all that stuff, so that
might be something that youcould do.
You know I could have done if Iwas in the in these shoes.
You know what I mean To try toget ahead, but the burglary
(34:55):
seems like it would be.
It's definitely hurting peoplewhen not in these other ways, so
I'm probably going to go with B.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Okay yeah, Option B You're going to go to break
commandment the seventh.
I believe thou shall not steal.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I like that Burgle, burgle, indeed, you'd be
burgling.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Matt, what would you do if you were a drug addicted
Satan worshiper?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
I guess we're at the first one Start your own church.
It is what the early 80s, late70s, early 80s, 1982.
Yeah, anton LaVey is already, Ithink, doing that with the
satanic cult Starting his ownlittle churches and stuff that
was big in California.
I think he could try to hop onthat wagon there.
Burgle Homes like Dave said,satan would protect you.
(35:36):
He's so into drugs now andreading stuff so he thinks he
knows everything and Satan'sright there with them.
Yeah, and the other two arelike, like Dave said, they're
kind of that's kind of raw.
I don't see you just just goingat staying with that.
I'll go a little bit different.
I'll say start your own church.
You can get some followers.
Try the same thing Manson did.
You know I would start my ownchurch.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
All right.
Well, that was right to thepoint and I like what you did
there, Matt.
Okay, let's see.
Well, since I'm already talkingto you, matt, you said that you
would start your own church.
Yes, alas, you, sir, are notthinking like a madman.
Dave, you went with option Bcontinue to burgle homes,
(36:20):
believing that Satan wouldprotect you.
Dave, I hate to say it, but Ilike where your head's at.
You, sir, are thinking like amadman.
Indeed, ramirez would go on toa life of burglary, rape and
murder all across Los Angelesarea and beyond.
(36:40):
He would ultimately be foundguilty of 13 counts of murder,
five attempted murders, 11sexual assaults and 14
burglaries, that's, a total of43 criminal counts.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I should have just started a church with Matt.
That would have been the sameyeah.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
It's easy money, man Easy money.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Ramirez Uh.
He ended up dying of lymphomaon June 7th two 2013.
While in jail, nobody claimedhis body.
It was therefore cremated.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Wow that.
And you know what's crazy aboutthis guy too, is that, uh, how
women, even knowing what he hehad done he had admirers and
stuff.
It was just, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, he had plenty of pen pals.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well, that brings our final score to Dave with six
and Matt with three.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Congratulations, dave , thank you, you might be a
madman Lenny.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
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Speaker 3 (38:10):
Wow, well, that's a heck of a prize.
Once again, many thanks to Daveand Matt for participating on
our show today, and thanks toall of you out there for
listening and following along.
Tune in next time for anotherexciting episode of you Might Be
a Madman.
You know, they say the linebetween genius and insanity is
razor thin.
Stay sharp.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome to you Might Be a Madman.
The game show podcast where weexplore the lives of history's
most infamous figures and testyour knowledge and intuition
along the way.
Do you think alike?
Do you have the mind of amaniac?
Let's play, you might be amadman.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
All right, thank you.
Thank you everyone.
Man, I do not tire of that warmwelcome.
And speaking of welcome, wewelcome you to.
You Might Be a Madman, the gameshow podcast where your ability
to think like the criminallyinsane will be put to the test.
I'm your host, jon Zapp.
Today, I'll present to youbrief segments of history
associated with a particularnotorious nutcase.
(01:04):
You, along with our contestants, will then be challenged with
questions as we progress.
Where will the madman go?
Why did he do that?
What will he do next?
Your task is to place yourselfin the mind of the maniac to see
if great or gruesome mindsthink alike.
Be warned, as you may alreadysuspect, wrong answers could
(01:26):
prove to be positive and winningmight be considered cause for
concern.
Before we begin, let's meettoday's contestants.
Our first contestant is Davefrom Harrisburg, pennsylvania.
Hello everyone.
Hey Dave, how's it going?
Doing, well doing well, veryhappy to be here.
Very happy to be here, nice,nice, nice.
Dave, I was reading up on yourcontestant questionnaire and I
(01:46):
see that, despite your age, youstill fancy ketchup on scrambled
eggs.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I do much like a three-year-old.
How about that?
And maybe that's psychotic,maybe it makes me a madman, I
don't know.
We'll find out.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I don't know what to say.
No, a little hot sauce too.
You eat what you like, that'sright.
Good for you.
You're a grown-ass man, that'sit.
Our second contestant hailingfrom Lower Swat Era Township,
Pennsylvania, is Matt.
Hello everyone, Hi, Hi everyone.
Welcome to our show, Welcome toour show.
I am excited and we are excitedto have you, matt.
I was reading your contestantquestionnaire and I and I see
(02:20):
that you prefer wheat toast overall other breads offered at
diners and restaurants forbreakfast.
Yes, I do.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I have a sort of allergy to some of the regular
white toast that they present.
It usually gives me a stomachupset.
I have to run to the bathroomrather quickly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I see Now I've been to certain establishments that
offer an English muffin as abread substitute.
Have you asked for or triedthat no?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I have not.
I do like a wheat Englishmuffin.
They do have wheat muffinsSticking with the wheat, with
peanut butter.
I like peanut butter and butter.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Not unlike Dave, you eat what you like, you know what
you like, you know what's goodfor you.
I appreciate that.
Now, between the both of youand your breakfast delights, it
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Speaker 3 (03:20):
All right, all right, all right everyone.
Today's madman is none otherthan the infamous Richard
Ramirez, known to many as theNight Stalker.
Strap on your thinking caps.
Let's get into our firstsegment.
Richard Ramirez, born onFebruary 29th 1960, started life
as the youngest of fivechildren in a Mexican-American
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family in El Paso, texas.
From as early as his infancy,richard's well-being faced
various challenges.
His family was very poor,forcing them to reside in an
impoverished community.
When he was two years old, adresser fell on him, causing a
deep laceration to his head.
At age five, he was struck inthe head again by a swing at a
(04:06):
neighborhood playground,resulting in further head trauma
.
These and a number of otherincidents led to Richard
suffering from epileptic fitsand seizures and other disorders
that would go on to affectRichard for the rest of his life
.
Family dynamics also played acritical role in his development
.
Richard's father, julian,became a railroad laborer upon
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the family's move to America.
Prior to that, however, he wasa municipal policeman in Juarez,
prone to bouts with alcoholism.
He raised all of the Ramirezchildren in a stern environment
and was often abusive to allmembers of the family, including
Richard's mother, and was oftenabusive to all members of the
family, including Richard'smother, helping to make ends
meet.
Richard's mother, mercedes,worked long hours in a boot
(04:51):
factory, Between his mother'sdemanding schedule and
attempting to avoid his fatheras best he could.
Richard grew up with littleparental guidance and a
considerable degree ofunstructured freedom.
At this time, richard was justnine years old.
All right, everyone on to ourfirst question.
Richard's life was off to arocky start from the beginning,
(05:16):
what with growing up in theghetto and being attacked by
falling dressers andindiscriminate playground
equipment.
Add to that an abusive fatherand an absent mother.
Richard was left to his owndevices.
Of the following four optionswhat would you have done at that
age if you were in Richard'ssituation?
Would you A Run away and join agang.
B Look to your older siblingsfor guidance.
(05:37):
C Keep to yourself and occupyyour time with movies, music and
media of your choosingessentially just hanging out in
your own room.
Or D give drugs or alcohol atry.
You have 10 seconds, all right,everyone.
(06:04):
Let's see what you have.
Dave, let's start with you.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
All right, Zap, so I'm looking at this at nine
years old, if this is me, andthis is 1969 by now, correct?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, we're in the 1960s.
Nine years later, your math isimpeccable.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Impeccable.
Yeah, look at that.
So I'm not going to run awayand join a gang.
I'm not about that life.
I would maybe look to an oldersibling for guidance, so that
would be an option.
Maybe 1969?
I don't think I'm going to belooking at movies, music and
media because there's notprobably a lot available at home
.
If this was currently, I couldsee that happening with gaming
and everything else.
You get lost in that drugs oralcohol, try.
(06:40):
I don't think I do that either.
At nine I had some badexperience too early.
Maybe, I don't know, okay'd dothat either.
At nine, I had some badexperiences Too early.
Maybe I don't know.
Okay, I think I'm probablygoing to go to B on this one and
look to an older brother orolder sibling for guidance.
That's probably what I wouldend up doing, I believe.
All right.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Not a bad option.
It seems reasonable.
Matt, how about you?
What would you do at this ripeyoung age?
What?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
would you do at this ripe young age?
Well, yes, young Richard isnine years old, as we stated.
I'm much like him.
I am a New Mexican American, soI understand growing up a lot
of gang violence a lot of gangs,Not old Mexico but New.
Mexico.
There is a New Mexico.
I don't know if anybody outthere is listening.
But yeah, so, yeah, a gang,they're prevalent, but I don't
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know, in the 60s, I mean, youhave a couple bad hombres out
there, but you're nine years old, you're not going to be like a
tough gang member.
I think his siblings they'rejust as jacked up as he is.
I mean, you're living in thesame house, I don't think
they're.
They're very much differentthan he is.
So I don't want to go with thesiblings either.
Hmm, occupier time movies,music and media it Uh, there's a
(07:45):
lot of good like people tofollow, a lot of good music at
that time.
Movies are probably cheap andget in there.
For I mean, this sounds a lotlike me right now.
So I'm like, I'm like yeah, thatthat doesn't sound so bad.
Does that afford?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
to it Right.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah, and drugs and alcohol at at nine.
I mean there is you.
I mean it is 69, I guess youcould turn to that it's.
You can get it anywhere prettymuch, but not as a nine-year-old
.
But I think I'm gonna go withuh, occupy your time like try to
just keep your mind.
I keep listening to some tunes.
Maybe hang outside of like aarena somewhere.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
All right, so you're going with option c.
Basically, keep to yourself.
I'm just gonna hang out in myroom, or hang out my friends do
whatever, I'm nine, there's notmuch else going on.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Just you know, occupy my time movies, music, hanging
with yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
All right.
Well, gentlemen, on a recap,dave, you had gone with option B
.
Look to your older siblings forguidance.
In my opinion, dave, you arethinking like a madman.
Oh no man, that's not good.
Indeed.
Richard Ram, a madman indeed.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Richard ramirez did look to his siblings for help
and guidance and will soon learnwhere that leads him.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
His family's all messed up speaking of messed up,
matt, you went with option ckeep to yourself and occupy your
time with movies, music andmedia of your choosing.
You also are thinking like amadman.
I.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I love that Indeed.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Switcheroo.
As we will soon find out,richard was prone to keep to
himself and found his way tobooks, movies and other material
that most parents would find,shall we say, objectionable.
You know, in fact, running awayand joining a gang might be the
only thing that could have kepthim out of trouble.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Yes, there you go.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But we shall see, yeah, the only thing that could
have kept him out of trouble.
Yes, there you go, but we shallsee.
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All right, welcome back everyone.
Welcome back.
In our first segment we learnedabout Richard's rocky start at
life.
So far, our contestants aretied one to one.
Let's move on, shall we?
By the time Richard was just 10years old, he was already
drinking alcohol and smoking pot.
He sought guidance from hissiblings, but that proved to be
(10:26):
of little help.
For example, his older brothers, reuben and Robert, frequently
conflicted with the law bycommitting petty theft and other
crimes.
Richard's crime-riddenneighborhood and the chaos and
discord therein didn't help, andschool was of little to no help
.
Richard suffered from dyslexia,which led to difficulties with
reading and writing, which ledto low academic performance,
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which, when also considering hisneighborhood, led to bullying.
Hoping to avoid the societalmess in which he lived, richard
immersed himself in solitaryactivities.
He developed an earlyfascination with the gruesome
and macabre, often engrossinghimself in horror films and
tales that encouraged a growingobsession with death and
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ritualistic symbolism.
Forever seeking guidance fromsiblings and family members,
ramirez found a resoundinglyterrible influence from his
older cousin, miguel Vales,that's Mike for non-Mexican folk
.
Miguel Vales, that's Mike fornon-Mexican folk.
Mike was a decorated greenberet in the Vietnam War, but
Mike was also a serial killerand a rapist.
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During his tour of duty, mikeintroduced Richard to graphic
stories of the rapes, murders,dismemberments and decapitations
he performed while in Vietnam.
He'd even gone on to sharePolaroid pictures of his war
crimes with Richard.
This only served to fuelRichard's growing obsession with
horrid things that can be doneto a human body.
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Meanwhile, richard's life athome didn't improve at all.
His father's anger wouldregularly manifest itself with
violence toward Richard and hismother.
Oftentimes he found himselfrunning away at night to find
safety and solace elsewhere.
In times like this, he simplywanted to be alone.
By now Richard was 13 years old.
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All right, that takes us to oursecond question.
Richard's life has so farcontinued down a terrible path.
His upbringing is taking a turnfor the worse from every angle,
to the point where he fearsbeing at home at night.
We've all been through ourterrible teens.
I'm sure we all gave thought torunning away at one point or
another.
Now of the following fouroptions at age 13, where might
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you sleep at night to avoidgetting a beating at home?
Option A the local church.
Option B the local cemetery.
Option C the local junkyardfull of abandoned vehicles.
Or option D your cousin Mike'shouse.
That's the sicko Vietnamveteran guy.
You have 10 seconds, all right,everyone, let's see what you've
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got.
Matt, we'll start with you Atage 13,.
Where might you sleep at nightto avoid getting a beating at
home?
Speaker 5 (13:22):
So Slick Rick, he's already.
This is between 10 and 13.
So now I went through all mydrugs and alcohol.
I'm still hanging out.
My brothers are weird.
I'm 13 now, so to avoid gettingthe beating at home local
church, you could get a beatingthere.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, it could be scary.
You gotta watch out for thepredators.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I was thinking completely the the other way,
like I remember getting beatlike beatings, like my parents
signed off on um corporalpunishment clauses like, oh wow,
nuns, priests, lay, teachers,they were absolutely permitted
to beat me oh yeah, yeah, Idon't want to mess around there,
they would hit you in the backof the head.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
You get the slap, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we didn't get the therulers on the knuckles thing
like you see in movies, but I doremember getting hit in the
back of the head.
But uh, yeah, the church, no,staying away from their local
cemetery, I think that would bepeaceful, that would be a place
like, if he's into like deadthings, I think you might find
that comforting.
Um, so I'm thinking about thatone, uh, junkyard, abandoned
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vehicles.
Me as a 13 year old, I wouldlike, I would probably spend,
I'd be up all night going intocars trying to find like stereos
or something like looking atlike I think that'd be a neat
place to like hang out.
So I wouldn't, I wouldn't go tosleep there.
And uh, mike's house, that'sanother place he might find,
kind of he likes.
You know, it's like going toyour friend's house whose dad's
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has like the dirty magazinesright he might find that a nice
place to go.
It might be warm and cozy forhim, but me at 13, being rick, I
would say the cemetery okay,now you don't have to be rick or
richard, or this is just youbeing you being me, I yeah, the
cemetery would probably be themost peaceful spot.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Okay, I would like that that's going with option B,
the local cemetery.
Dave, at age 13,.
Where might you sleep at nightto avoid getting a beating at
home?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, matt, I like the way you think because I was
thinking a lot of the samethings.
The church would be a littlescary at night.
I don't know, I wouldn't wantto be there at night.
Number one I just think itwould creep me out a little bit
just being in church alone.
The cemetery the same way.
I think at night I'd be alittle freaked out.
But I'm watching these horrormovies and I'm into all that
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stuff.
I might like the macabre.
That might be comforting to me.
I might want to sleep there.
The local junkyard withabandoned vehicles in 73,
there's going to be some nicevehicles there.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Some big comfy vehicles I could see the back of
, like a Lincoln Town car.
Sure, you know there's some.
It might be more comfortablethan my house.
Cars that would someday go onto maybe be low riders, low
riders and other things likethat, so I could definitely see
some comfortable spots.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Rolling with my Cholos.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, so I'm going to come back to that one, the
cousin's house as well.
If that's like somebody you'relooking up to for me, I might be
tempted with that, but I thinkthe things that he was showing
would be off putting to me, soI'd probably want to try to stay
away from that.
The nudie mags and all thatmight be cool.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I'm thinking I'm probably going to go with C, the
local junkyard, that would beme, the abandoned vehicles.
I think I could find a comfyspot in there and a carburetor
if I need it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
There's that All right, fellas.
Let's recap.
Matt, given the situation atage 13, where would you sleep at
night?
To avoid getting a beating athome, you chose option B the
local graveyard.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yeah, can I like enhance on that real quick?
I just think it wouldn't belike over, like where the
gravestone or anything is Likethere would have to be like a
little shack there or somethingLike a mausoleum yeah, like you
could like make a nice littlearea beside it Like I.
Yeah, like you could like makea nice little area beside it
Like I'm not sleeping on a grave, but somewhere in the cemetery.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Hey look, no problem with that, yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'll take it, or like a nice tree.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
If I can help to put your mind at ease, I slept in a
graveyard twice in my life.
Yep, a group of us.
Now, this was a group of us.
We just went out one night andwe just crashed in the graveyard
.
You'll find no calmer, morepeaceful place in the graveyard.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah that's wild.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But indeed it was a group of us.
Nonetheless, matt, you choselocal graveyard.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Yes, yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Matt, I gotta say you are thinking like a madman.
Oh, wow.
Indeed.
Ramirez sought to escape fromhis father's violence by
sleeping in a local cemetery.
Dave, at age 13, you wouldsleep at night to avoid getting
a beating at option C, the localjunkyard full of abandoned
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vehicles.
Alas, you're not thinking likea madman.
Good, good, good, indeed.
Fun fact, on the occasions whenhis father would actually find
him at the cemetery, his fatherwould tie him to a crucifix in
that cemetery overnight aspunishment yeah, I tell you
where he wouldn't find him afurniture store, all those
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dressers in there oh no, I meanthat's, that's ptsd for him for
sure he was attacked by one atage two good memory there in the
head a lot, yeahin that last segment there was
only one answer that would leadone to think like a madman, and
that was staying at the localcemetery.
I thought that would be theleast.
Well, either way, that bringsour score with matt in the lead
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two to one, and we move on toour next segment.
By the time time Richard turned14, he graduated from marijuana
and made his way to using LSD,thanks mostly to his cousin,
mike.
Taking Richard under his wing,mike taught his young cousin
some of his military skills,including stealth and kill
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tactics.
Richard's pubescent urges hadlong been warped.
He didn't fantasize about nakedladies or what the women in the
Sears catalog looked likewithout their lingerie.
Thanks to his cousin Mike,richard's fantasies were those
of forced bondage, murder,mutilation and rape.
Still 14 years old, richardsomehow secured employ at the
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local Holiday Inn.
Old Richard somehow securedemploy at the local Holiday Inn.
When necessary, he found hisway to sleep in vacant hotel
rooms on nights when things gottoo terrible at home.
Industriously, richard would goon to use his master key to rob
patrons while they slept.
His throbbing carnal urgeswould, however, get a hold of
him from time to time.
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On one occasion, richardmolested two children in one of
the hotel's elevators.
It was never reported.
On another occasion, whilerobbing a hotel room, richard
attempted to rape the womanwho'd been sleeping there.
The only thing that stopped himwas the victim's husband
unexpectedly returning to theroom.
The husband beat the daylightsout of Ramirez and criminal
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charges were filed, but theywere later dropped by the couple
when they elected to not returnto Texas to testify against
Ramirez.
Ramirez lost his job.
That brings us to our thirdquestion.
Ramirez was now jobless and wasno longer able to rob customers
at the hotel.
You can imagine that once wordgot back to his parents as to
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why he was fired from his job,living at home was completely
out of the question.
You're 14 years old and yourlife is going in every wrong
direction, but you still need aplace to sleep.
Of the following choices, wherewould you go?
Option A the home of your olderbrother, the petty criminal.
Option B the home of your crazycousin Mike at Vietnam Vet.
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Option C the home of your oldersister and her husband.
Or option D the closest oilfield you can find.
You have 10 seconds, All right,dave, we'll start with you.
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Similar to our last questionwhere would you have gone to
sleep?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
The older brother and the cousin at this point, like
I would want to probably avoidthem because I'd want to try to
like turn my life around.
I would believe you know what Imean.
So the sister and the husbandmight be a welcome place to go.
Option c is looking good to me,but also d the oil field, like
if I can make some money offthat maybe go there.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You know what I mean.
Like, why not?
That's very, uh, enterprisingof you.
Yeah, if I could go there, andyou know what I mean.
Why not?
Speaker 4 (21:36):
That's very enterprising of you.
Yeah, if I could go there anddrill and drill, baby drill,
baby drill make some money.
D might be looking good too,but I'm thinking that, for the
comfort of it, I'm going to golive with my sister.
Okay, so I'm going to go with C.
I've been sick.
The D's looking good as welllet's say you.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
It's very similar to our last question.
You're just a year older.
Where would you go?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
to sleep, All right.
Well, Dave, I see your thinkingthere, but I'm thinking as 14
year old me.
Where would be like the coolplace to be?
So if you go to your olderbrother, petty criminal, you
might get in a little troublehere and there, but lots of weed
, lots of liquor, maybe a hookeror two yeah, dude's 14 um, the
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home of your crazy cousin mike.
I still wouldn't really be ableto like sleep there because
mike you know, with all thesepictures he got lying around, I
don't know if like one night, ifhe loses this shit yeah, he'll
like stab me in the chest orsomething I don't need.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Flashbacks are a thing.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, I don't need that shit I'd be scared, scared
of Mike, I think.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It won't be a comfortable placeto be the home of sister and
her husband.
I don't really know much aboutthem.
I mean he don't really speak ofhis sister much, so I don't
know how close he would be toher.
And the oil field Another thingwould be like the cemetery.
I find it comforting.
There's probably not manypeople out there, but like a
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coyote or something.
Yeah, I don't in texas, I don'tknow about that.
But um, yeah, I'm gonna have togo with my older brother on
this one.
Being 14 years old, want somestrange.
That's a fun place to begetting some weed I can dig it.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, okay, that's what I would go with I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Let's see all right, dave.
You went option C, the home ofhis older sister and her husband
Matt.
You decided to go the coolroute and went with option A,
the home of his older brother,that petty criminal.
Neither of you are thinkingvery much like a madman.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
That's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Indeed, the way that RichardRamirez went was actually option
B, option C.
He moved in with his crazycousin Mike, that Vietnam vet.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That could turn the tables for him.
That's a comfy spot for him.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
As chance would have it, his older brother was
actually in jail by now.
Oh, there you go so that was atrick question, that was
trickannery Trick-ish and theoil field, that was just a red
herring.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Okay, because I was thinking about that one.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Well, that leaves our score the same at 2-1, with
Matt in the lead.
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All right, welcome back everyone.
Welcome back, thank you.
Thank you.
In our second and thirdsegments we continued on with
Richard's formative years, histroubled family life and his
difficulties finding a place tosleep.
Currently, our score is Mattwith two, dave with one.
With nowhere to turn, ramirezmoved into the house of his
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crazy Vietnam vet cousin, mike,and his wife Josefina.
Two years earlier, mike andJosefina's son, miguel Jr, died
in a terrible gas explosion.
Mike hadn't been the same sinceand his drug use became more
and more intolerable.
In the same sense, and his druguse became more and more
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intolerable.
On May 4th 1975, crazy cousinMike and Josefina had gotten
into an argument.
In the throes of theirbickering, mike shot her in the
face with a handgun.
She died almost instantly.
Ramirez witnessed the entireexchange.
Moreover, some of Josefina'sblood splattered on Ramirez's
face.
Instead of feelings of shockand trauma, ramirez would go on
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to recall that he instead feltfascination and intrigue.
Mike would go on to be foundnot guilty of murder in any
degree.
Rather, he was found not guiltyby reason of insanity, due to
PTSD, and would go on to becommitted to a mental hospital.
Within days after the shooting,ramirez dropped out of high
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school with only a little morethan a month before the end of
his freshman year, he moved inwith his sister, ruth, and her
husband, roberto.
Unknown to Ruth, Roberto was anobsessive peeping Tom.
He would tell her he was goingout for walks at night, which
was true, but each and everywalk included him spying on
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nearby women through the windowsof their homes.
Not long after he moved in,richard began joining Roberto on
his nightly peep strolls.
Two years after having shot andkilled his wife, mike was
released from the mentalinstitution.
Soon he too began joiningRichard and Roberto on their
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nightly strolls into thevoyeuristic world of the
depraved.
Years would go by Night afternight.
Richard was filling his headwith visions of women through
their windows and thoughts ofwhat he might do with them.
Alright, that brings us to ourfourth question.
It's clear that Richard'sinvolvement with Roberto and
Mike only fueled his fiendishlife.
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The years have gone by andRichard is soon to turn 22 years
old.
And Richard is soon to turn 22years old.
Of the following options at 22years old, with no job and no
high school diploma, what wouldyou do with your life?
Option A give in to yourvoyeuristic urges and rape one
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of those women you see everynight.
Option B continue to live withyour sister and her husband in
El Paso and hope for the best.
Option C stay in El Paso but atleast move out of your sister's
house.
Or option D roll the dice andmove to California.
You have 10 seconds.
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All right, let's see what wegot.
Matt at age 22, no job, no highschool diploma what would you
have done with your life?
Speaker 5 (28:16):
well a given to your voyeuristic urges and rate one
of those women you see everynight Okay, you're going right
to jail with that.
So I don't know, at 22, hecould be tempted.
He's hanging with a stellargroup, like those guys at night,
it's like the three amigos man,I don't.
But you got to avoid A.
That's just jail time from thedoor.
Continue to live with yoursister and her husband in El
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Paso.
Hope for the best.
El Paso is getting boring tohim.
I think I think he's done withthe El Paso.
That's the same with C.
Stay in El Paso, but move outof your sister's house.
I think he's had enough of thattown.
I think he's rolling the dice.
He's going back to Cali.
I say California, dreaming.
What would you do?
I would go to California.
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Just, I think I've alwayswanted to go there.
I think you know it'd be a funplace.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
To be Fair enough, Dave, how about you, 22 years
old, no job, no high schooldiploma?
What would you do with yourlife?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, I'm thinking like mad here.
You know it's not going tohappen.
You know I'm having bad luck inEl Paso.
It's been 22 years and it'sjust nothing but bad stuff going
on.
At 22, I'm probably thinkinglet me just get out of here and
start over, go to California,get away from everybody and see
if I can get stuff straightenedout.
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None of these seem good.
These are risk.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
These are good answers, though I think I would.
If I was in his shoes, I wouldhitchhike to california yeah,
that's me of those options.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
That's what I'm gonna do.
I just gotta get away fromthese people.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
It seems like everybody's got issues,
hopefully a fresh start yeahyeah, maybe get a job, get a
little place on the beachinteresting all right.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So both of you went with option d.
You're gonna roll the dice andmove to california, leave behind
.
I hate to say it, but I likewhat you're doing.
Both of you are thinking like amadman.
Oh man, this guy.
Indeed, Ramirez would soon moveto California and stay with his
brother, Ruben, for a while.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
This is a different brother.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
From the beginning.
That was one of the two eldersthat were getting into trouble.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Like Ruben and Roberto or Ruben, and who was
the other one.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Robert, trouble, like ruben and roberto, or ruben,
and who's the other one, robert,robert, robert, yeah, not to be
confused with roberto, that washis cousin ruth's husband okay
cousin was crazy mike all right,who shot his wife and only did
a two-year stint in a in awhatever well, he was great.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
He was a vietnam vet, probably had the ptsd, like
they said, so they gave him alenient sentence.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah I would avoid family all altogether if I'm
this guy.
I'm surprised he did that.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
All right, we're soon to enter our final round.
This round represents theculmination of crazy, the
epitome of insanity.
This round will test yourtenacity, determine whether you
might be a madman.
A correct answer in this roundwill award you three points.
Our current score has Matt withthree and Dave with two.
We hope you've been keepingyour own score and equally hope
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that you've been enjoying ourexcursion into the extreme.
Ready to embark on our lastround, richard has since moved
on to California to live withhis brother Ruben and his wife.
It's 1982, and it didn't takelong for Richard to discover the
joys of cocaine.
An addiction like that requiresmoney and, without a job or
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high school diploma, hesupported himself by burglary.
When he wasn't stealing, tosupport his habit, he sat around
fantasizing about sadistic sex.
He had no normal relationshipswith women.
The only sex he had was withprostitutes.
Eventually, the cocaine wasn'tdoing the trick for Richard.
He began using PCP, also knownas angel dust.
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The PCP did nothing but deepenhis aggressiveness and psychosis
.
In fact, one day he releasedhis aggression on another addict
by tying her up, ripping offher clothes and raping her
several times, thrilled by thepower he had over her.
This became a profound momentin his life and he wanted more.
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By now, richard discovered thelife and times of Anton LaVey,
the founder of the Church ofSatan in San Francisco.
Though initially compelled tojoin their rituals, he chose to
be a lone practitioner of hisown satanic beliefs.
Despite having been raisedCatholic, his newfound reverence
to Satan came with the beliefthat the devil would protect him
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and empower him, according toRamirez.
Belief that the devil wouldprotect him and empower him.
According to Ramirez, satanrepresented what he felt.
He wasn't like other people.
His sexual desires were just assane as anyone else's and Satan
would protect him.
All right, everyone.
Our final question Sounds likeRamirez has a new lease on life.
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He's got the power of Satanbehind him, but he's still got
that nasty drug addiction totend to.
If you were a drug-addictedSatan worshiper, what would you
do next?
Option A start your own church.
Option B continue to burglehomes, believing that Satan
would protect you.
Option C follow up on beatingand raping another woman,
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believing that Satan wouldprotect you.
Option C follow up on beatingand raping another woman,
believing that Satan wouldprotect you.
Or option D take the beatingthing to the next level and
murder your victims instead.
You have 10 seconds.
Okay, for our final question,dave.
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We'll start with you.
Of the four choices you'd had,what would you do next?
All right, zab, I'm looking atthese four answers here, and
these are four sins.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
There's something for damn sure.
Yeah, so I got to look at itthat way.
I could start my own church,but that's kind of sacrilegious
right.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
You know what I mean.
You and I know this as devoutCatholics.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Right.
So that might be an optionbecause that might be the lesser
of these four.
Okay, but I'm thinking, if Icontinue to burglar homes and,
you know, believe that Satanwill protect me, robbing these
houses and stuff that doesn'tseem as bad as the bottom two.
They're beating women andraping women and doing all that
stuff.
So I think I might go withoption B here and just continue
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burglaring homes.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Of all these sins, you're saying that's the least
aggressive sin, I'm sorry, theleast invasive sin.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Yeah, because I mean the start your own church I
think could get you a lot Likeas far as money, sex, all that
stuff that might be the mostactually like.
We see people that start cultsand do all that stuff, so that
might be something that youcould do.
You know I could have done if Iwas in the in these shoes.
You know what I mean To try toget ahead, but the burglary
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seems like it would be.
It's definitely hurting peoplewhen not in these other ways, so
I'm probably going to go with B.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Okay yeah, Option B You're going to go to break
commandment the seventh.
I believe thou shall not steal.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I like that Burgle, burgle, indeed, you'd be
burgling.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Matt, what would you do if you were a drug addicted
Satan worshiper?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
I guess we're at the first one Start your own church.
It is what the early 80s, late70s, early 80s, 1982.
Yeah, anton LaVey is already, Ithink, doing that with the
satanic cult Starting his ownlittle churches and stuff that
was big in California.
I think he could try to hop onthat wagon there.
Burgle Homes like Dave said,satan would protect you.
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He's so into drugs now andreading stuff so he thinks he
knows everything and Satan'sright there with them.
Yeah, and the other two arelike, like Dave said, they're
kind of that's kind of raw.
I don't see you just just goingat staying with that.
I'll go a little bit different.
I'll say start your own church.
You can get some followers.
Try the same thing Manson did.
You know I would start my ownchurch.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
All right.
Well, that was right to thepoint and I like what you did
there, Matt.
Okay, let's see.
Well, since I'm already talkingto you, matt, you said that you
would start your own church.
Yes, alas, you, sir, are notthinking like a madman.
Dave, you went with option Bcontinue to burgle homes,
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believing that Satan wouldprotect you.
Dave, I hate to say it, but Ilike where your head's at.
You, sir, are thinking like amadman.
Indeed, ramirez would go on toa life of burglary, rape and
murder all across Los Angelesarea and beyond.
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He would ultimately be foundguilty of 13 counts of murder,
five attempted murders, 11sexual assaults and 14
burglaries, that's, a total of43 criminal counts.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I should have just started a church with Matt.
That would have been the sameyeah.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
It's easy money, man Easy money.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Ramirez Uh.
He ended up dying of lymphomaon June 7th two 2013.
While in jail, nobody claimedhis body.
It was therefore cremated.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Wow that.
And you know what's crazy aboutthis guy too, is that, uh, how
women, even knowing what he hehad done he had admirers and
stuff.
It was just, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, he had plenty of pen pals.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well, that brings our final score to Dave with six
and Matt with three.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Congratulations, dave , thank you, you might be a
madman Lenny.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
what has Dave won today?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Congratulations, dave .
You've won an incredible prizepackage from you Might Be a
Madman.
Get ready to enjoy a year-longsupply of Ramira Max, the
laxative so smooth you feel likeyou've been disemboweled.
But that's not all.
You're also headed for a stayof five days and four nights at
Cousin Mike's Bed and Breakfastin sunny El Paso, texas.
(37:51):
During your stay, you'llexperience the chilling history
as Cousin Mike's psychopathictendencies are intricately woven
into your visit, fromstorytelling sessions to viewing
the graphic photos henotoriously showed Richard.
All this and more, valued at$5,000.
Back to you, zap.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Wow, well, that's a heck of a prize.
Once again, many thanks to Daveand Matt for participating on
our show today, and thanks toall of you out there for
listening and following along.
Tune in next time for anotherexciting episode of you Might Be
a Madman.
You know, they say the linebetween genius and insanity is
razor thin.
Stay sharp.
(38:30):
Farewell everybody.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Thank you.
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