Garrett Wood: Success Without Sacrifice

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What if success isn’t something you earn—but something you align with?

In this episode of Your Next Success, Dr. Caroline Sangal talks with Garrett Wood, founder of Gnosis Therapy, about what happens when high achievers push too far and forget to bring their wellbeing along for the journey.

Garrett’s path spans corporate leadership, fitness coaching, and neuroscience-based hypnotherapy. After his own experience with chronic pain and burnout, he began helping others restore balance—body, mind, and spirit—through evidence-based, compassionate work.

You’ll hear:

•  How chronic pain can signal emotional overload
•  Why burnout is more than exhaustion—it’s a nervous system pattern
•  The surprising relationship between ADHD and rest
•  How to create success built through wellbeing, not at its expense

This episode invites you to pause, listen to what your body is trying to tell you, and redefine success on your own terms.

Discover the Hidden Dynamics Behind Your Burnout and find out what’s really keeping you stuck in stress and the exact steps to move beyond burnout: https://gnosistherapy.scoreapp.com

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Episode Transcript

Caroline (00:04):
What if your body knows before your mind admits
it?
The first signs of misalignmentrarely show up in your calendar,
or in the performance for yourcareer.
They show up as tension,exhaustion, or pain in your body
that refuses to go away.
What if those signals aren'tobstacles, but invitations to

(00:25):
realign success with wellbeing?
This is the Your Next Successpodcast, and I'm your host, Dr.
Caroline Sangal.
I'm a life first career coachand strategist on a mission to
normalize questioning yourcareer because I believe each of
us is made on purpose for apurpose only we can fulfill.

(00:46):
The longer we live out ofalignment with who we are, what
we do best, and why we're here,the more we miss out.
And the more the world missesout on what only we can give.
The Your Next Success Podcast iswhere we explore how to build a
career that truly fuels yourlife.
We talk about self-discovery,smart job, search strategies,

(01:09):
professional growth, and you'llhear stories from people who've
navigated big career transitionsthemselves so you can see what
it's really like to make boldchanges and feel inspired to
create your own version ofauthentic success, one that is
aligned, meaningful, and trulyyours.

(01:32):
Today's guest is Garrett Wood.
He's a clinical hypnotherapist,executive functioning
specialist.
and founder of Gnosis Therapy.
Garrett helps executives,founders, and entrepreneurs
achieve sustainable highperformance with without trading
their health or relationships.
Over 18 years, he's developedthe A cubed framework, assess,

(01:54):
accommodate, align, which mapscapacity across seven key
drivers of performance, sensoryintelligence, bio budgets,
emotional regulation, corebeliefs, attachment patterns,
values, and executivefunctioning strengths.
His approach blendsoutcome-based coaching, somatic
regulation, and clinicalhypnotherapy to end the boom and

(02:16):
bust cycle of burnout.
Because real success is builtthrough your wellbeing, not at
its expense.
In our conversation, Garrett andI explore how achievement often
comes at a cost and what itreally means to create success
that sustains you.
We talk about how the bodystores emotion long before the

(02:37):
mind catches up, the linkbetween ADHD and burnout and how
to rebuild from the inside out.
If you've ever wondered why youkeep pushing, even when you're
running on empty or how to turnawareness into aligned action,
this episode is for you.
Welcome Garrett to Your NextSuccess.

(02:59):
I am thrilled to have you heretoday.

Garrett Wood Gnosis The (03:01):
Excited to be here, Caroline.
Thanks for having me.

Caroline (03:03):
Thank you so, so much.
one of the things I love talkingabout and diving into is
people's careers, their stories,their transitions, all the
lovely pivots that brought themto today.
So we'll get to today and theamazing work that you do and how
you help people.
But we could dial it back, canyou tell us a little bit about

(03:24):
your childhood?
Where did you grow up?
What you love doing for fun?
What were you interested in?
All of that.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (03:33):
Yeah.
Fun question.
I moved 11 times before I was 11years old, so my dad was in the
hospitality business.
So one of my dads, anytime thatyou get a promotion, you get a
new location and then you gottabeat year over year sales for a
couple years and then you gottado it again, or you gotta try to
beat your best.
And so, we would move everycouple of years.
But I spent a lot of my youth inBakersfield, California, so.

(03:56):
Like Central Valley, kind ofCalifornia.
Pretty hot triple digit heat,most of what I remember from it.
But growing up as a kid becausewe moved so much, it was really
challenging for me to kind oflike make those transitions.
So to keep myself entertained.
I would have books to readduring all the long car trips
'cause we would go cross countrysometimes.

(04:17):
And that hasn't changed as youcan see back there.
Quite a bit of books so that.
Has been kind of one of mypassions that stuck with me my
whole life.
It's probably the mostconsistent passion that stuck
with me my whole life.
Everything else has kind of comeand gone, so.

Caroline (04:29):
'Cause I moved a lot as well.
My dad was a teacher, then aprincipal, then a
superintendent, and my mom was anurse so it kind of worked'cause
she had a career that was ableto be mobile.
How did it work for you withyour parents?
And then my moves were always inbetween school years.
But for yours, moving 11 timesbefore 11, were you moving in
the middle of a school year andhow did that work?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (04:52):
We did that a couple times.
I think moving to the east coastand then back was mid school
year, I remember moving to NewJersey and hearing the teachers
say idear.
And I just remember being achild, being like, idear?
What is idear?
Instead of idea.
And it just didn't compute in mylittle brain at the time.
I didn't understand accents andregional accents.
That was one of the things thatstood out to me the most.

Caroline (05:13):
Interesting.
And going into these new schoolareas without knowing anyone.
Like for me, a good byproduct ofthat is I can walk into a room
of people I don't know, and Iknow how to do that well.
I always also kind of thoughtlike, if I was a boy, it would
be easier.
Maybe girls were kind of cliqueyand maybe not so welcoming.

(05:36):
What was your experience?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (05:40):
Yeah, I didn't notice the gender issue
then, probably more so now, Icould see the difference of
that, but when I was a kid, Ireally was more shy than
anything.
So the books were my friends.
I did have other friends.
They were acquaintances.
But as soon as you start gettinginto that deeper relationship,
you're moving again.
So it never really seemed likeit formed.
Right?
Yeah.

Caroline (05:57):
And so then when you kind of settled into a
Bakersfield area, were you thenat a place for a consistent long
period of time or stillswitching?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (06:09):
So I had one of my best friends
still to this day.
I met when I was 10 years old.
We went to a dinner theater playof Dracula.
For my 10th birthday, Ed, wejust hung out.
Two weeks ago so,

Caroline (06:19):
That's awesome.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therap (06:20):
Yes, long-term friendships have
formed and maintained.
We don't get to see each otheras often as we would like, but
it's really nice.
Yeah.

Caroline (06:26):
And so when you were growing up, like what did you
think success meant?
Or from your viewpoint, what wassuccess?
What was successful?
In that moment as far as likewhat you thought the world, like
what was it successful to be ahuman adult that you're
successful if you, what?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (06:48):
So I grew up in a household where
money was definitely a topic ofconversation.
Making sure we had enough of it,making sure when we wanted
things that we knew the cost ofit.
My mom's a very frugal person.
She won best dressed in highschool, but it wasn't'cause she
was out buying fancy clothes, itwas'cause she was making them
herself.
So some of that wore off on meas a kid.
I would go to JC Penny and getlike a little jacket and then go

(07:09):
to the fancy skate shop and likepick up the skateboard, like
patch.
And then I would sew that on.
So I'd be like, okay, cool, Igot the cool jacket, I'm gonna
fit in with the cool kids.
And instead of paying 45 bucks,it was, you know, eight bucks or
12 bucks or something like that.
So acutely aware of money, sosuccess at that time in my life
meant making enough of it thatyou wouldn't have to worry about

(07:30):
those things that you couldchoose to go and eat out.
If you wanted to, instead ofhaving to count pennies for
lunch that day, you know, dig inthe couch for change.
Right?
Look in the car.
Back when we used to have cash.

Caroline (07:45):
Yeah.
Our kids can't ever just beexcited and find things when
they're cleaning, you know?
So.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (07:52):
Yeah.
Pick up the couch cushion.
Oh my gosh.
This is enough for Taco Bell.
Here we go.
Let's go.
Yeah.

Caroline (07:57):
Were there signs then?
As far as.
You're being interested inhelping people and those types
of things when you're little or,

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (08:08):
Not so much.
Yeah, just the books.
So there was a time where as Iwas growing up later, when I was
like 15, 16, I grew upskateboarding.
I found some friends there.
It was super fun.
You gotta be away from peoplefor a long time.
You were just out there forhours.
It felt very freeing and kind ofrebellious to be on a
skateboard, although we werejust sweaty kids hanging out.

(08:30):
But in the skateboard magazines,there was a professional
skateboarder who got paid and hehad a really nice car.
They did a magazine spread ofhis tricks on one page, his car
on the other, and he had agirlfriend.
And his girlfriend I thought wasrather attractive and she was in
the car.
And so at that age I was like,wait a minute, you can get paid
to do something you love.
Get paid enough to be able toafford cool things and to have

(08:53):
people in your life thatappreciate you, that you want to
hang around.
And I was like, that's prettycool.
And he happened to be in askateboard video that was titled
Fulfill The Dream.
I was like, oh, wait a minute.
And so I kind of inadvertentlyadopted that as a mantra at like
15, 16.

Caroline (09:08):
Cool.
Okay, so then high school kindof comes and goes, and what did
you think you wanted to dobeyond high school?
And then what did you end updoing, after you left, after you
graduated?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (09:21):
Yeah, so when I was in high school, I
saw that money piece beingimportant and I looked around at
jobs where people made a lot ofmoney, and it seemed like
investment banking, personalfinance, that area was the way
to go.
There wasn't a lot of that inBakersfield, but we did have
like a Merrill Lynch branch whohad the bowl on the logo.
So when I moved out and went tocollege, I got a chance to hang

(09:43):
out with some people that wereinvolved in that industry.
I kind of had them mentor me.
I was bartending at the time,and I got a chance to meet a lot
of them.
And when I was being mentored byhim, I was like, oh, this is
really interesting.
I'm learning a lot.
And then when I was bartendingand seeing them out, I was like,
oh, they have all their billspaid, but they are not happy.

(10:04):
They are not, happily married.
They're not happy in themselves.
They're not happy with the hoursthat they have to work.
This isn't kind of something, ifthis is what that looks like, I
don't know if it's for me.

Caroline (10:15):
I see.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (10:16):
And so I kind of had to reevaluate
that.
And I was bartending when I waslike 20, 21 kind of.
So,

Caroline (10:21):
Interesting.
So you're seeing the

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (10:22):
Yeah, it was interesting.

Caroline (10:23):
discrepancy between the day job and what you think
success should look like.
And then these people beyondtheir day job, complaining,
utilizing substances, talkingabout not loving their life.
Yeah.
Interesting.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (10:44):
And obviously I probably had a
selection bias being at the bar.
I'm sure there was plenty ofhappy people in the finance
industry going home to theirfamilies and enjoying
themselves.
They just weren't at the barwhere I was at with them, but it
seemed to be so ubiquitous thatit really made me question like,
oh, wait a minute.
Having enough money isn't enoughto be happy.
But that maybe a prerequisitefor success, but it's definitely

(11:05):
not the only thing.
And so that kind of stuck arounda little bit.

Caroline (11:09):
When went to college, what did you study?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Th (11:13):
Business marketing and then I started
taking philosophy classes andeventually switched to
philosophy as the major andbusiness marketing as the minor.

Caroline (11:22):
That's cool.
And then happened?
As college goes by, you'rebartending.
And then what?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (11:28):
Yeah.
So I started my own beveragecatering company, which was
pretty fun.
Learned a lot.
So if you had a soay at yourhouse, I could show up with a
full bar.
Not just like the basics, butlike every mixed drink.
So if you wanted like.
Whatever rum specialty drink orevery like little, it was Apple
martinis at the time because ofSex in the city.
We had that we could serve thatin your backyard to your friends

(11:50):
and people really appreciatedthat.
So that was kind of fun for awhile.
Yeah, so lots of differentexperiences in entrepreneurship.
That was one.
There's a couple other littlejobs, but they weren't as
successful as that one.
But that was all in additional,I was going to school and
bartending.
And when you're bartending, 8:00AM classes and 4:00 AM close
times don't always overlap realwell.
So I spent a lot of time tryingto navigate the difference

(12:12):
between both of those, but I didlearn a lot about people.
Behind the bar and then learneda lot of different formal
functions about people,philosophy, cognitive biases,
all that fun stuff during theday.
So it was really interesting.

Caroline (12:24):
That's fascinating.
Okay, so then beyond collegethen what?
Then what did you choose to do?
How'd that transition work?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (12:35):
Yeah, so the reason why I got into
bartending is because Iunderstood alcohol at a young
age.
I saw, you know, my parents havedrinks and they felt.
Much better after two, threebeers.
And I'm like, oh, cool.
What is this?
This seems to be magical.
They went from not great kind ofgrumpy to like pretty relaxed.
This is interesting.
And so when I was bartending, Isaw some of the worst stuff of

(12:56):
that, which was interesting.
But for myself personally, toget away from some of using
those substances in my owncoping mechanisms, I started
running a lot and I ran so muchthat I like tore my meniscus,
stretch, fractured my feet.
I had no clue what I was doing.
And so after a couple of roundsof training for marathons, I was
like, I need some help.
So it was the first time in mylife I raised my hand and asked

(13:17):
for help from somebody that wasa professional.
And so I went and got a personaltrainer, strength conditioning
coach, and I really enjoyed thatprocess with him.
My running got better, I gotbetter mentally, physically,
emotionally, and I saw how muchhe enjoyed his day-to-day
existence.

Caroline (13:30):
Ah.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (13:31):
He once again, selection bias.
He loved what he did.
He loved all of his clients, andI was like, wait a minute.
This is interesting.
He's probably the mostsuccessful person I'd seen up to
that point where every day was agood day for him.

Caroline (13:45):
And how old were you at this point having this
realization?
It could be two great things.
Asking for help and seeingstuff.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therap (13:53):
That was probably 22.
Because I started becoming,working in that industry at
2007, so quite a few years agonow.
Yeah.

Caroline (14:02):
And then what.
Now you've got this interest infitness, seeing someone, helping
people, loving their life,loving their jobs, seemingly
successful.
I guess you didn't necessarilysee him after his job, I wonder,
or did you?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (14:17):
So I did, yeah.
He was such a nice guy.
He had a twin brother and theymarried sisters anyway, so they
were like a big happy family.
It was really interesting.
So they would invite me to gohave coffee and hang out with
them.
So it was really interesting tosee them outside of that
training session with them.
And they genuinely happy,healthy people.

Caroline (14:36):
Wow.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (14:36):
So it was pretty cool to see.
Yeah.
And I became a strengthconditioning coach.
I worked with a lot of people, alot of the clients that I worked
with had a lot of time, money,and energy, and they'd worked
along their life to be able tohave that resource.
And in their process, they'dgiven up a lot of their health.
And so they were trying to goback and claim that usually in
their early thirties.
Mid thirties.
And they were trying to gethealthier for their kids,

(14:59):
healthier for themselves,healthier for their partner.
One woman I worked with, Ireally enjoyed it.
Her husband had run a bunch ofmarathons.
He was the the fit person in thefamily, and she'd had two kids,
and so she was like, I'm tiredof that label.
I don't want to be the not fitperson in this household.
This isn't cool.
I don't like that.
So by the time we got doneworking with her together, she

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had ran two marathons.
One of them, her and her husbandboth ran together and she beat
his time, which was pretty cool.
So she finally became themarathon, you know, reigning
champ in that household, whichwas pretty cool to see.

Caroline (15:30):
That's amazing.
This is fun.
All right, so you're gettingthis now, this helping people
vibe this overall wellbeing kindof vibe.
And your route in that moment isthrough exercise, fitness, and
helping people that way and thenhappened?
Then how did you expand more?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (15:52):
Yeah.
So at that time when I wasworking with people, you spend a
lot of time with people.
I mean, you're spending threehours a week with these people.
Nine months on end, which is along time.
And you're seeing people whenthey're pretty vulnerable, when
they're grunting and sweatingand like cursing'cause they're
working hard.
And there's a lot ofvulnerability that shows up in

(16:12):
that moment.
People kind of share some oftheir feelings, their thoughts,
and stories come out.
And there's a couple of timeswhere the stories that came out,
it made me feel like we wereworking on the wrong end of
things.
Like there was better help forthese people and that I was not.
The help that they needed wasover here and I was over there,
and I really wanted to be ableto try to understand that a
little bit more.

(16:33):
So, for example, there's oneperson I worked with.
She really wanted to be fit andhealthier her whole life.
She put a lot of effort in thefitness facility.
She gained and lost her bodyweight two or three times over
when we were working together,and every time she would get to
a weight that she felt strongand fit and couldn't move, she
would get a lot of attention.

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And the attention she got, shedid not appreciate.
Because it reminded her of anincident when she was a child
and she was just coming throughpuberty, and the attention that
she got then was so overwhelmingand inappropriate for her at
that time that it was mucheasier to just move away from
all of that attention and in anyway she could.
And that subconscious kind ofexperience was continuing to

(17:17):
show up even into her, you know,20 years later in her life.
And it wasn't conscious.

Caroline (17:23):
It was a like a protective mechanism and I had
gone, I'm still working throughthat, but I didn't realize that
that was a thing and it was justlike, well, I can get to this
fitter thing and snap a picture,I wish I was that picture again.
While working with you, did shealready know or you saw maybe

(17:44):
before she's, how did that work?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (17:48):
Yeah, it was kind I don't know if
you've seen that Mel Gibsonmovie.
It's a marketing movie with, Ican't think of her name.
She was, anyway, Mad About YouHe can read women's minds and he
comes up with this idea.
It's like Nike, it's not just.
No games, it's just sports,right?
And they like both think of thisidea a co-occurring way, and it
was almost as if that happened.
We were talking one day inbetween sets.

(18:10):
I'm like, so what's going on?
Like, we were doing so much workhere.
What happened two weeks ago thatchanged these behaviors?
She's like, I don't know.
I'm like, okay, well happened,you know, what'd you do
differently?
That was just slightly outta thenorm.
She's like, well, I did go on afirst date.
I was like, oh, how'd it go?
She's like, real, really well.
Okay, cool.
She's like, yeah, it was alittle creepy at the end.

(18:30):
we just continue to have thisconversation just really
innocently.
And by the end of that session,she and I had kind of made those
dots and those connections justtalking about what was going on.
And I do think when you're inthat like altered state, which
exercise can put you in.
You do kind of get a chance toremove yourself from like the
normal default thoughts that wetypically have and you have a

(18:54):
chance to kind of look at themfrom a different angle and doing
that, you come to newconclusions, new realizations,
and that has been consistent Ifound since then, even till now.

Caroline (19:04):
And also there's like something to like the body keeps
the score.
Things have to move through yourbody.
So if you're already moving insome sort of different way,
exercise wise, not only are youfreeing your mind to be able to
process things differently, butmaybe emotions or things are
being at the same time.
What a powerful connectionthere.
And then what?

(19:25):
Then how did that kind ofevolve?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (19:30):
So just like you said right there,
the body keeps the score.
At that time, I made atransition from working with
clients into leadership where Iwas managing more of the people
that responsible for theirclients, and I was responsible
for them.
And so it went from being reallyfun and hanging out with a bunch
of my friends.
And helping people to being likethe person that has to tow the
line, the person that has toenforce the rules.

(19:52):
And that made a reallyinteresting transition for me
emotionally.
I felt really isolated at thattime.
And I got overuse injury where Ihad some chronic hip pain and so
I couldn't run, I couldn't liftfor a couple months.
Which is my normal naturaloutlet, my coping mechanism for
the stress of feeling thoseemotions.
So when you talk about the bodykeeps the score, did I get

(20:12):
injured because I was overtraining?
Was I over training'cause I wasstressed?
If I wasn't stressed, would thattraining have not resulted in an
injury?
These are all like chicken andthe egg kind of stories.
Now, I believe I think they'reall one and the same.
But at that time I didn't knowthat.
So I just went about my businessas best as I could, and I was in

(20:33):
an ER on a Friday night'cause Icould not stand the pain in my
hip anymore.
I just could not bear it.
I was like, I need to get moresupport with this.
And the attending physician waspalpating my groin, the
pectinius, which is like anadductor of the hip.
Really right there in yourgroin.
And he was kind of like, hey,there's nothing wrong here.
So what are you doing here on aFriday night, having me palpate

(20:55):
your groin?
There was kind of an accusatoryimplication there, and I was
like, you know, sir.

Caroline (21:01):
Like,

Garrett Wood Gnosis The (21:03):
There's this, I am here because I'm in
pain.
But that lack of like empathy orunderstanding from someone when
it comes to chronic pain, is atheme that I've seen a lot of
times, because pain, like youmentioned, is like a
bio-psychosocial experience.
It is an emotion.
Oftentimes people with physicalpain will go and look for a

(21:23):
physical intervention, but it'sthe wrong way around once again.
And so an attending physicianwhen they're like, everything's
fine here.

Caroline (21:30):
And

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (21:31):
It feels like they're discounting.

Caroline (21:33):
Maybe he just hadn't, maybe never will.
But was it just a young egothing he didn't know.
He was just book trained.
And that those books weren'tknow, Body Keeps the Score
wasn't in that section or,

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (21:47):
Yeah.
Chronic pain is a reallyinteresting phenomena.
We talked about it in philosophyin school where people who have
like phantom limb pain, theirbrain's understanding of where
their body ends and the worldbegins is like part of the
scaffolding of your brain.
And when that changesdramatically really quickly, it
takes a while for your brain tocatch up to that.
So.
Even if you gain a bunch ofweight or lose a bunch of

(22:09):
weight, there's a chance of thattoo.
That's sometimes a play of bodydysmorphia.
But in chronic, like in phantomlimb pain, if someone loses a
limb, they're like, man,something's wrong.
My hand that I no longer haveitches.
And the itches consistentlypresent.
And that's actually your brainbeing like, no, something is
wrong and when you address it.
But it's on a subconsciouslevel.

(22:31):
It's on a neurological level.
It's not on like an actual like.
Vision level.
And so they'll do mirror therapywhere they pretend like you have
a hand using your other hand asthe mirrored version of you, the
rubber hand.
There's a really cool thing youkinda look at the rubber hand
experiment where they'll putyour hand under the table,
they'll place a rubber hand overit, and they'll stroke the
rubber hand and you'll startgetting tickled.

(22:52):
They'll smash the rubber handwith the like hammer and your
hand will feel pain, even thoughthere's no connection there and
it's just mapped over mirrorneurons just seeing it.
You believe it to be true and itdoes happen to be true for you
in that moment.

Caroline (23:06):
So he just sends you out of there said there's
nothing to fix here?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Th (23:10):
Nothing.

Caroline (23:10):
And

Garrett Wood Gnosis The (23:11):
Nothing to fix here.
And you know what?
He was right.
There was nothing.
I I know my experience is real.
I know that I'm actually in painand he is right to dismiss me
because what he's saying isthere is nothing I can do.
And he's right.
There's not, he can prescribe mepain medication or he could cut
something out.
That attending physician hadnothing in his bag of tricks

(23:33):
that was there for me, nothing Ineeded.
But he didn't offer me othersolutions.
'cause that's where it's likeour medical system's a little
bit,

Caroline (23:40):
Right.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (23:41):
You know, spread out.

Caroline (23:42):
Because

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therap (23:42):
Real deep holes.

Caroline (23:43):
people only deal with the life and death emergency,
and if you don't look likeyou're gonna lose your life in
that moment, that now becomesanother specialty.
They just refer you next.
Next.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therap (23:57):
Yep, yep.
And so the help I actually didget that released that pain and
that discomfort was like areally quick, easy manual
therapy technique called activerelease technique.
Can you just touch that tissue?
Take that person through anactive range of motion.
And that's enough for your brainto be like, oh, I can release
this tension.
We don't need it for anything.
And I was able to squat and runaround in like five minutes

(24:20):
after being with the actualprovider who just did some
hands-on work

Caroline (24:25):
Like massage?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (24:26):
I was like, blown.

Caroline (24:27):
like

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (24:28):
Yeah.

Caroline (24:28):
of massage person that knows stuff or who was that
helper?
Yeah.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (24:33):
So that was a doctor of a
chiropractic, but an osteopathicmanual therapist, physical
therapist, athletic trainer,massage therapist.
They're all able to do thosetype of release techniques and I
was working with a lot ofpeople.
They're really active.
They got their aches and painssitting down all day.
They have their own emotionalstuff going on.
They have their own things thatare showing up in their body.

(24:55):
So at the end of that year, Ireferred most my clients to this
practitioner.
And then by another six monthsafter that, all of my trainers
that I was developing, they werebeginning to refer all of their
clients to him as well.
And I was like, man, people areshowing up.
Having to be able to do pushups,sit ups and squats, having to
push heavy weights.
They're not excited to be here.

(25:16):
They're willing to be here.
They're like putting up with it.
But when they go see him andcome back, they're excited.
They're enjoying it even more.
So similar to when I first gotinto strength and conditioning,
I went back to school andlearned how to do that technique
and then a bunch of other ones.
And that was pretty interestingbecause what you're talking
about, body keeping the score.

(25:36):
It's really amazing when you'redoing manual therapy with people
and you give them some type ofstimuli.
There's like a story that comeswith it and you're like, you
know, one time I was with mybrother and we were 10 and we
were messing around, and thenthis thing happened.
And while you're doing thattechnique and they're telling
that story, something happens.
It's like you pull up thatprogram in the mind where that

(25:58):
pain is stored, and then yougive it a different comforting
experience, and then thatexperience kind of goes back and
then their body goes, wait aminute.
We don't really need thattension anymore.
We don't need that copingmechanism.
We don't need that movementpattern.
Oh, okay.
And I don't know if we'retalking about the emotions that

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it doesn't need, that it'sholding onto or the result of
the movement control pattern.
I don't know if they'redifferent things.
I think they might be diff likethe same thing just from
different sides, like theelephant's trunk versus its ears
versus its tail.

Caroline (26:33):
You're working with people and doing some.
Body movement manipulations,allowing things to release full
range of motion, blah blah blah.
And then you are askingquestions or they just randomly,
oh, funny, you move my leg thatway.
How does that part work?

Garrett Wood Gnosis (26:52):
Originally it was just talking and it would
come up organically inconversation.
Yeah.
And then eventually after enoughof that happens, you're like,
oh, maybe there's something moreto this.
Maybe that's actually theimportant part.
And so if you get into some ofthe deeper literature for how
memory reconsolidation works orlike cohesive, coherence therapy

(27:15):
is what they call that you don'tremember things from the first
time you made that experience.
You remember them from the lasttime you remembered it.
So anytime you go back and youpull up a story, you're not
pulling up the original story,you're pulling up the last time
you told it.
And so if you were in a goodmood, well fed, well rested, and
your, you know, nervous systemwas in a relaxed, calm state, it

(27:39):
changes how that memory feels toyou.

Caroline (27:42):
Interesting.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (27:44):
And put it away.
The next time that it comes uporganically, it's not as
distressing.
It's easier to be you.
It doesn't change what happened.
It does not change the facts ofthe situation, but it changes
how it affects you in thepresent moment.

Caroline (27:57):
That's

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (27:57):
And that is kind of the phenomenon
that we were experiencingtogether as they were telling
that story and having thatexperience with a sensation.

Caroline (28:05):
Cool.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (28:05):
It was just giving the body more
information to update itsunderstanding of what it needed
to do to be successful.

Caroline (28:10):
Interesting.

(28:52):
Okay, so you're noticingpatterns.
You're on this quest to reallyhelp people not surface, but
like dial it back to before andto like, where's the root of
this thing?
And now you start coming acrosssome clues of, okay, maybe it's
not just It's body mind guidingall that and different releasing

(29:16):
and you go to school, you getmore of that knowledge now you
start helping and implementingwith people.
And then what?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (29:23):
Yeah.
So that was kind of what I wasdoing on the side.
Well, just like when I wasbartending, I was gonna school
just like when I was it, I'malways doing two or three things
at once.
So at the time I was working acorporate job.
I was overseeing sevenlocations.
Each location probably had 10 to20 people.
It was a lot of work.
I believed in the work we weredoing'cause we were, I was
helping train develop people todo that type of work that I was

(29:45):
talking about.
And we were working with pretty,you know, dedicated individuals
to their health and wellness.
And I really believed in themission.
I really believed in the valuesof what we were doing.
And it was really nice'cause wehad these really tight feedback
loops.
We were a sales drivenorganization, so I could see if
we made an implementation to thefield, what showed up

(30:07):
immediately?
Like what affected change withinlike three hours you would have
a new report, you'd be like, didthat work or not?

Caroline (30:14):
Yeah.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (30:14):
It was pretty interesting because
you could learn a lot aboutleadership, about management,
about anything, any theory youcould ever see, you could put
into practice.
And within a few moments, a fewmonths, you would be able to see
that feedback really quick.
And I was working a lot.
My chronic pain was back.

Caroline (30:31):
Ha!

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (30:31):
My sleep was terrible.
My attention.
Not running at the time, no.
Because I was in the car sooften when I would get out.
Just being able to stand up andmove was quite an accomplishment
at the time.
It wasn't great.

Caroline (30:43):
But yet you're in a company helping people be well,
and you're working so much thatyou're quickly becoming unwell
you don't have the time to dothe things that had been your
outlet of physical fitnessrelease helping.
Yeah.

Garrett Wood Gnosis (31:02):
Absolutely.
And that creates a viciouscycle,'cause if you don't have
that release, that feedbackloop's tighter.
Stress gets more intense.
There's no break from it.
And then when you do get a breakfrom it, it's wears your body
down and then you need torecover from that.
So you eat some comfort food.
Maybe you stay up late and watchsome, you know, mindless tv.
I think at the time it was theoffice, you know, who knows?
Parks and Rec maybe.

(31:23):
And then now you're in trouble.

Caroline (31:25):
Where the pain showing up for you?
Did it move around your body ordid your pain stay in a similar,
was it your hip still or whatwas that?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (31:36):
Yeah, so I always like to talk about
that, like if you take a sodacan, right?
Like aluminum can and it'ssealed, you can put a lot of
pressure on it and it withholdsa lot of force.
There you go.
But as soon as you crack itopen, it's ability to resist
pressure kind.
It gets dissipated wherevermaybe the aluminum is weakest
at, but if you get a little bitof a bend there, it doesn't
matter if you blow it back upand sealed it back, it would

(31:58):
still crumple kind of in thosesame places that it crumpled
before.
And so same thing would happen,my hip, my back, hip back, hip
back.
So anytime I'm getting.
Just stressed, or I've beenoperating out of a stress mode
for too long, or I've been in,go, go, go, go, go.
I will feel my back.
I will feel my hip.
First sign is your sleep's notgreat.

(32:18):
Second sign is you're a littlegrumpy at the dog.
Third sign is you're a littleshort tempered with everybody.
Things get on your nerves alittle bit more.
Silly things that show up, likeyou gotta download the Zoom
updates before you go into ameeting.

Caroline (32:31):
I get it.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (32:32):
But then if I continue to ignore
that, my hip and my back willlet me know pretty quick.
Yeah.

Caroline (32:38):
And so

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therap (32:39):
Yep.

Caroline (32:40):
now that you've experienced this many does your
hip and back still end uphurting or do you now react
before that point knowing.

Garrett Wood Gnosis T (32:51):
Sometimes you're in a cycle where you do
need to perform as best as youpossibly can.
You don't have the luxury totake that time off or that
downtime.
The frequency, duration, andintensity is much less than it's
ever been in my life.
So I will take that as a win.
Is it gone?
No.
Will it ever be gone?
Probably not, but as long as thefrequency, duration, and
intensity are moving in theright direction, I am happy with

(33:13):
the progress.
I will take it.

Caroline (33:15):
Okay.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (33:16):
Yeah.

Caroline (33:16):
So, and as you're at that corporate job that's like
slowly wearing you down, but youchanged, so what preempted that
or like what made you say, youknow what, the pain of staying
the same is now greater than thepain of doing something else, I
think I want to?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (33:37):
So I wish it was, you know, oh my
relationship with my partner isstruggling.
This isn't good.
We need to go get some help.
I wish it was, oh, my back painis flaring up.
This isn't good.
I need to go get some supportand slow down.
But what it really was is I wasin a meeting, with one of my
colleagues replacements.
So he'd been replaced, let go,and then replaced within two

(33:58):
weeks.
While we're in this meeting, weall got word that he had decided
to take his own life becausehe'd been with that organization
for 20 years and given so muchof himself and was always at the
top of those like spreadsheets,always at the top of the P&Ls
and the goals.
And he was someone that we alllooked up to.
And when he was let go, it was ashock to us.
And then we got word.

(34:18):
It was even more of a shock tous because he'd given so much of
himself that his identity wastied in with that position.
Without the position, therewasn't much left for him.
He felt like that was worthsaving or investing in, and that
was a big wake up call for me.
'cause that was, hey, it doesn'tmatter how values aligned you
are with the organization, itdoes not matter how much the

(34:40):
work you're doing feels likeit's actually making an impact.
It's not enough to besuccessful.
Even if it pays the bills, evenif it's something you enjoy
doing, if it's taking yourwellbeing, it's almost more
dangerous for some people iftheir passions align with their
work.
It's almost more dangerous iftheir values are aligned with
work because they value thatwork and the outcomes from it

(35:01):
more than they do themselves.
And in that moment, seeing thatplay out for him over his life,
was like a really strong wake upcall that, hey, whatever you're
doing, the road you're on, wegotta back it up and kind of
rethink this a little bit.

Caroline (35:15):
And so how did that affect you?
How did you back it up?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (35:22):
So at the time the organization I
was with, they did a big studyand they found that the people
that got the best quality ofsleep saw the biggest health
gains.

Caroline (35:30):
Oh.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (35:31):
So in their blood pressure and
their insulin resistance andtheir ability to show up and
complete their workouts, and Iwas like, oh, okay.
Sleep's the thing.
We gotta get more sleep.
Okay.
That'll be the thing.
The one thing that fixeseverything.
But I couldn't figure out how toget more sleep.
My sleep was terrible.
I couldn't get to sleep earlier.
I had to wake up and I had towake up.
So I found this idea of nonsleep, deep rest, which is

(35:55):
essentially just closing youreyes and breathing and just
letting your nervous system goseemed to be effective.
Seem to have some benefits ofsleep.
Not all of them, but enough thatit helps on your physiological,
restorative processes.
So I was like, okay, I'm gonnado this.
And then I found out thathypnotherapy and hypnosis is a
state of non-sleep deep rest.

(36:15):
And I was like, okay, let's doit.
So I jumped all in and went andgot a hypnotherapist.
We met for about five sessions,and at the end of those five
sessions, my sleep was muchbetter.
My back pain was better, myrelationship was better.
The P&L stayed the same, but ourturnover was less.
My relationships with mysubordinates were better.
Their relationships with theirteam members was even better.

(36:37):
There was way less stress, andwe were getting even more done
than we had before.
And at the end of that I waslike, oh, I've been the jerk the
whole time.
I've been the bottleneck.
I've been the problem.
It's been me.
Oh, okay.
Good to know.

Caroline (36:51):
Interesting.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (36:52):
So kind of a wake up call there
too.
Yeah.

Caroline (36:55):
Interesting.
Okay.
Okay.
And so now, this is so cool.
It's like an unraveling, right?
Or like a layer by layer tryingto get, this is so cool.
And so

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (37:04):
Those dolls.
The nesting dolls, right?
Yeah.

Caroline (37:08):
And so then you go all in and learn how to do that to
help other people?

Garrett Wood Gnosis (37:14):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And so once again with that bodywork piece, you know, there's
only so far you can go with thebody.
There's other things that aregoing on if you're doing that
body work, but someone's tellingthemselves a story at the same
time that's reinforcing that.
It's interesting.
Mind, body, emotions,experience, intelligence,

(37:34):
consciousness.
I feel like they're all the samething.

Caroline (37:37):
Hmm.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (37:37):
We just have different ways of
talking about it.
Like the blind men talking aboutthat elephant.
No, it's

Caroline (37:42):
Right, right.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (37:43):
and hard.
No, it's soft and leathery.
It's all the same thing.
We just have different needs forit.
'cause we have differentspecialties.
So, Being able to see it fromthe body side, the somatic side,
and then being able to see itfrom the subconscious side.
And then obviously working withpeople on a conscious level to
be able to get them to do thingsthat they don't enjoy doing, but
understand the benefits from incoaching.

(38:03):
It's been really interesting tobe able to work with people now,
helping them show up and takecare of themselves, but now it's
a bigger scope.
It's not just fitness, it'swellbeing.
So that's been pretty cool.

Caroline (38:13):
so you left that corporate job to make your own
company?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (38:18):
Yeah, after that, I opened that in
2018,

Caroline (38:22):
Yeah.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (38:22):
So yeah, a few years now.

Caroline (38:24):
And has your scope in your company stayed the same or
has it continued to evolve asyou realize, more nesting dolls.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therap (38:37):
More nesting dolls always.
So there's, when you startgetting into wellbeing, you're
like, okay, what are thebottlenecks for people's
wellbeing?
Yes.
Sleep, food, nutrition, health.
Got it.
Okay.
Movement.
Okay.
Positive emotions.
Yes.
Subconscious beliefs that keepyou stuck in these patterns.
Okay, sure.
But then the quality of yourrelationships and what's
contributing to that and whatmakes it easier, what makes it

(38:58):
harder?
What are the frictions that showup there?
And also like, one of the mostsurprising things for me, I
think was a woman that I workedwith who was in leadership, had
another person on her team, andthey had to do feedback and she
really appreciated this personon her team.
But they struggled tocommunicate well.

(39:20):
They felt like they wereenemies, viscerally, did not
enjoy each other's presence.
but they couldn't explain why.
Neither of'em knew what wasgoing on.
They're like, no, I respectthem.
They do good work.
It's fine.
We just can't, we just don'tvibe.
Not my vibe.
Right.
So we kind of talked about whatwas going on and they were doing
this, their feedback meetingswhere they would sit across from
each other in the conferenceroom.

(39:41):
It's a big conference room,really nice big table.
Everyone off in the background,kind of secluded sun coming in
on one side, but because you hadthe window on one side and then
you had glass all the wayaround, the words would just
reverberate off the walls.
And so a little bit ofcriticism, you would just hear
it like kind of echo forever.
So we were just like, let's mixit up.

(40:02):
Let's get you regular, let's goon a walk together.
Let's, if you're both moving inthe same direction side by side,
maybe something will shiftenough that you won't, like
despise each other.
So they tried it and now they goout to drinks after work.
Now they're friends.
Completely.
Yeah.
Completely different experience.

Caroline (40:21):
like this person was a style D and that one was a C.
It wasn't necessarily that itwas the environment that the
words were delivered in, notnecessarily the way the words
were delivered?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Th (40:35):
Exactly.
So there's a lady, she's adoctor, Anne-Marie Lombard.
She's in South Africa and shehas this work called sensory
intelligence, which is reallyfascinating where your sensory
thresholds matter.
If you are in an environmentwhere your sensory thresholds
aren't met, you can't be a goodversion of you.
So a lot of people talk about IQbeing important in corporate

(40:57):
jobs, and then people are like,oh, no, no, no, it's not IQ.
Everyone's smart.
It's EQ.
It's okay, you be emotionallyregulated around and with other
people.
And the better you are at that,the more success you'll be.
Her argument is, is like, well,those are both important, but if
you're not in a state where youcan be regulated, none of those
matter.
Because that supersedes it.
And she's got really good workand studies backing it up.

(41:19):
And she's not alone.
There's a bunch of otherinterpersonal neuropsychologists
that talk about regulationmatters most, and then
co-regulation.
And then once we haveco-regulation, then we can do
the reasoning, then we can dothe feedback.
And so some people, if they'rein a really crowded environment,
it's not the people that'smessing'em up.
It's the visual movement.
For some people, it is thecloseness of other people.

(41:41):
Some people, if they're in likea library setting, they're so
understimulated that they'relooking to engage in ways that
are probably healthy.
So it's finding out what worksfor you and putting yourself in
the way of that.
and it makes a really bigdifference.
It's really fascinating how muchthe environment plays a part in
your ability to express yourregulation, your intelligence.

Caroline (42:02):
You know, now a days, or maybe it was just after
having kids or something, or, orseeing many different children
and different experiences andthen realizing, neurodivergence
was a thing and, you know,perhaps realizing later in life
that that was a factor for me.
And then even beyond just, youknow, and then there's different

(42:24):
levels of neurodivergence.
You can have ADD, ADHD, autism,but the sensory is a huge factor
there.
And somewhere along the lines,

Garrett Wood Gnosis (42:33):
Absolutely.

Caroline (42:34):
Cause I saw that now you do ADHD kind of coaching as
well, but yeah.
When did you become interestedin that expansion?
Yeah.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (42:46):
So about two years after I opened
my doors for my clinic, therewas a couple trends that showed
up.
One, everyone was burned out,right?
Which is what we were focusingon, and it's self-selection
bias.
A lot of people had physicalissues in their body that were
showing up as tension.
Similar to I had in my story.
They had had a history of beingthrough some adverse childhood
experiences, so their ability toregulate emotion was more

(43:08):
challenging than others.
Then there was another thingthat showed up.
It was like, yeah, I have ADHD,I take medication.
I've had this my whole life.
That was like half the clientelethat was there, and that seemed
really strange to me.
I'm like, this is 8% of adultshave ADHD.
Right.
They meet the clinical diagnosisof having a disorder.

Caroline (43:25):
Or 8% are diagnosed and know they have ADHD.
But how,

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (43:31):
And then how many people.

Caroline (43:32):
it now?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therap (43:35):
It's much higher than that and
arguably should be growingbecause ADHD in women hasn't
actually been a focus for a longtime.
So the numbers are still notrepresentative of the actual
population'cause we haven't beendoing the right work.
But hopefully that'll changesoon.
But it was just fascinating tome because I didn't recognize, I

(43:55):
didn't know much at the time,and some of these behaviors
seemed normal to me.
They seemed like, oh, that'sjust.
Everybody Right.
so after two years of havingsimilar conversations, I was
like, oh, maybe this issomething that I need to go look
into more.
So I went and got some moreschooling, went back.
There's a bunch of opportunitiesto dive deep in on that stuff.
But having gone through that, Istarted ticking boxes.

(44:16):
And so I went and met with apsychiatrist and we went through
the formal neuropsych evaluationprocess and they're like, yeah,
absolutely.
You've probably had ADHD yourwhole life.
There's no doubt about it.
And you probably got it fromthis person in your family.
And here's how it shows up.
And that's when it all startedto kind of click a little bit
more gelled for me personally.
That was one of the frameworksthat definitely was a missing

(44:36):
component, and the sensory pieceis a component of that for
myself, but less so, than someof the other ones.
Executive dysfunction is areally fascinating one for me.

Caroline (44:44):
Yeah.
And how did that executivefunctioning and executive
dysfunctioning, and when youdon't know or you're
overachieving in areas.
Did you know how to study?
Was it planning an organization?
Was it distractibility?
How did it show up for you?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Th (45:01):
Boredom.
Intense boredom.
So impulsivity and like raisingthe stakes.
So at work.
when I was a kid, when I wasworking, I'd be like, okay,
great.
This is boring.
I know how to do the job now.
So how can I make this morechallenging?
Well, if I show up with lesssleep and I can get more done
elsewhere and still get the jobdone, okay, good.
Now the job is more entertainingand I got more side stuff done.

(45:23):
So sleep has always been thatlike, never prioritizing.
It has been a theme in my lifeand I couldn't get to sleep as a
kid.
And one of the most linchpin inthe diagnostic criteria was me
sharing that experience.
Like I've had trouble sleeping,getting to sleep my whole life.
And I mentioned it to my mom andshe was like, oh yeah, that's
normal.
No problem.
Here's Tylenol pm.

(45:44):
That's how I've been getting tosleep.
And I was like, oh, okay.
And that was just normal in ourfamily.
And it wasn't until I spoke tosomeone at 40 something years
old and they're like, oh, that'snot a typical experience for
most people, but for hisspecific subset of population,
it's a very common one.
So that was kind of aninteresting.

Caroline (46:04):
So let's talk about sleep now though.
Did you flip your schedule?
Were you one of those like,let's stay up all night, kind of
people then like let's have asless sleep.
Yeah.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (46:13):
Yeah.
Yep.
Is the least sleep as possible.
So from like junior high, evenelementary school, all the way
through till probably midthirties, I would sleep very
little and drink a lot of energydrinks.
Yeah.
Yep.

Caroline (46:29):
I didn't read this research, but I heard about this
research that if don't haveenough sleep, everyone's gonna
go crazy.
You had read and yet were youthe exception in your mind or
you just didn't need it or wasthis this fun game?
What was.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (46:45):
So once you're inebriated, right,
you don't know you'reinebriated.
So once you're sleep deprivedand you're used to operating
that way, you're not aware ofthe lack of ability to operate
because your brain just shutsdown its ability to even
perceive that in the firstplace.
So you have to look for externalcues like, am I doing a good job
or not?

(47:05):
And if those external cues arethere, then it makes it really
hard.
So some of those external cuesobviously were, you know, aches
and pains in my body, shorttemper, all the other things
that were contributing to it.
if your metrics are performancebased and they're outside and
you're meeting them, you're notreally tuned into those somatic
things, you're not really tunedinto those interpersonal things,

(47:28):
and so on paper you're like, no,I'm good.
Everything's good.
Look, everything's good.

Caroline (47:33):
I don't know if

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (47:33):
Yeah.
Not a human being.
Yeah, exactly.

Caroline (47:37):
maybe not integrate.
Yeah.
Interesting, interesting.
So now, how do you prioritizesleep or do you?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (47:47):
So I have my Oura ring, which is
nice feedback.
I have external information'cause it gives me feedback,
which makes it easier to makeinformed decisions.
So if I have a bad couplenights, take it easy or I lay
off the caffeine more.
But I do take medication to helpme sleep to make that transition
easier.
It's not necessarily sleepmedication, but it's a
medication that makes it harderfor you to elevate your heart

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rate or harder for you to getinto that like thinking state.
so it's easier to just relax andlet go.
but even when that's not enough,it's a sign that like something
showing up emotionally thatneeds to be processed.
And so that's where you gottaslow down, take the time, call
somebody, reach out, journal,you know, sit with yourself a
little bit and that still showsup.

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So yeah.

Caroline (48:32):
How do people work with you now?
Like who's your typical client?
Typical demographic age.
Who are your people?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (48:43):
Who are my people?
My people are the ones that aretrying to do everything they can
and it still doesn't feel likeit's working and they don't
understand what needs to change,but they know that something has
to change.
Yep.

Caroline (48:55):
And how do they work with you?
How do they find you?
Is it only in person or how doesthat work?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (49:02):
Yeah.
So most of my clientele now isremote, which has been really
nice.
So I have some people that arein Thailand.
I have some people that are inthe UK, which is pretty cool.
And then all across the statesand Canada.
I have one person that's inSouth America right now, which
is kind of interestingscheduling wise, but we make it
work.
And so, you know, we do a littleframework where we're gonna do a
lot of assessments.
From that we look at how can weaccommodate.

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Their own unique nervous systemneeds.
Like how do we best accommodatehow they work best?
And then how do we design andalign what they need to do in a
way that actually works forthem?
And so it's a lot to try tonavigate'cause there's so many
little things that can show upand be helpful from that sensory
processing stuff that we talkedabout.
Executive functioning process,their attachment styles,

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subconscious beliefs, but a lotof it is about teaching them
tools and techniques for somaticregulation where if they need to
be able to perform and they needto be able to respond to that
performance in that moment, wecan give'em tools to upregulate
their nervous system.
And then even more importantthan that, there's a lot of
ideas about tools that they cando on their own that can turn

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that off.
cause if we have that switch andwe just turn it on all the time,
eventually it won't turn onanymore.
It just won't.
And it will just be stuck inoff, and that's what burnout
typically is.
And it's because they've beendoing it for so long with so
little recovery, that'stypically when they show up.
But luckily I have been able tocatch people enough times where

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it's not working as well as itused to.
So they're like, wait, what'sgoing on?
I need to fix this now.
And so teaching people how toget out of that state and then
recover and then we'll switchback and forth, and having that
flexibility to be able toregulate themselves.
When they need to has beenreally powerful for most of my

Caroline (50:45):
What are the assessments that you use as your
main kind of tools?
Are they the same for everyoneor is it a combination of a
mixed drink for that person'spalette.
Like,

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (50:57):
Yeah.
I love it.
Great question.
What's your palate?
What flavor profile are youlooking for?
yeah, What's your unique flavorof burnout?
When does it show up?
When do you feel the mostanxiety or stress?
Right?
What are the most protectivethings?
Because if someone's completelyin full burnout in that moment.
The way to help them movethrough that isn't doing more,

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it's actually doing less, andit's doing more of what works,
what's already good, and doingless of what makes them, you
know, stress out a little bitmore, but sometimes they're in
situations, they can't just likego on a sabbatical, they can't
quit the job.
And so we have to figure outthings to bridge the gap.
Yeah.

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And a lot of people make thisassumption, you know, in
leadership they talk about don'tpersonalize the issue.
Look for the process behind itand a lot of that's like, let's
not try to look for shame, blameand guilt.
Let's look for like solutions tothis.
And a lot of times, we thinkit's the other person, we think
it's ourselves.
When sometimes just like that,those two, co colleagues, it was

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the environment that they weretrying to have that conversation
and that actually seemed to makethe difference.
If we can figure out theselittle things that are showing
up and we can align you andmatch it to the environment,
it's amazing how much easierlife can be.
Like it really is.
Yeah, if I had known what I knewnow, then I don't know if my
life would've looked verydifferent, but it would've been
more enjoyable and lessstressful for sure.

Caroline (52:22):
And in some ways you had to experience those things
so that you could intimatelyunderstand all these different
ways that burnout shows up withthe chronic pain in the body and
the exhaustion and all of thosethings, so that your mess is now
your message.
Right.
That's a.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (52:40):
Yeah.

Caroline (52:41):
Or somebody

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (52:41):
Yeah.
Favorite quote.

Caroline (52:44):
Is your testimony.
I was like, oh,

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (52:46):
Yeah.

Caroline (52:47):
me uniquely qualified to help in these areas.
So that's interesting.
So as of this has evolved foryou and you saw the different
things of externally successful,internally unfulfilled, all
different, you know, Russiandolls or whatever kind of
nesting dolls that there are,how do you now define authentic

(53:12):
success your perspective?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (53:17):
Yeah.
I definitely think that successis built through your wellbeing,
not at its expense.
So if your pursuit of somethingis diminishing your wellbeing,
that is going to be dangerous,eventually it's gonna be risky.
And some people have a very hightolerance for risk.
So I would never tell someonehow to live their life.
That is for them to decide forthemselves, and if you are

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sacrificing your sleep, yourhealth, your relationships to
pursue something, it's adangerous scenario.
Because that goalpost continuesto move what counts as
successful or arrived or enough,if you are that type of person,
you'll never arrive.
It'll never be enough.
And so what you give up in themeantime, time and the means of
getting there becomes a reallybig compromise.

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So making sure you bring yourwellbeing along for the ride is
really important.
And it actually improvesperformance in most cases.
I will tell you, I am a muchbetter person with more sleep to
be around my team.
They didn't go to hypnotherapy,they hung out with me, but they
were better because I wasbetter.
And the better I was, the betterthe business was.

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The better they were, the bettertheir relationships were.
I always think back to growingup as a kid, you know, if my mom
had more time at home, if shehad to work less, if she could
have been more present becauseof those things we're taken care
of, how much different would ourrelationship have been?
How many more memories andstories and jokes would we have
had?
Right.
Same thing with my dad's.

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And so I do think that there'sthis trickle down or ripple out
effect that happens when peoplein positions and leaderships and
they're in an organization thatif they can be a better version
of themselves, everything aroundthem gets better, and we all are
affected by that.
So.

Caroline (55:01):
Absolutely.
How do people find you?
How do people work with you?

Garrett Wood Gnosis Therapy (55:06):
If they're professional and they
wanna find me professionally,they can go on LinkedIn.
It's Gnosis Therapy, which is asilent G, so it's G-N-O-S-I-S
therapy or they can email me ifthey want, Garrett at Gnosis
Therapy.
They can follow me on Instagram,Gnosis Therapy, or my website.
Also, www.Gnosistherapy.com.

Caroline (55:24):
We'll be sure to have all of that in the show notes.
But Garrett, thank you so, somuch for sharing your story and
all these beautiful insights andhow you help people.
So I really, really appreciateit.

Garrett Wood Gnosis Thera (55:37):
Yeah, it's fun to be able to have a
chance to share it.
Thanks for having me.

Caroline (55:39):
Garrett, thank you so much for your wisdom, your
insight, and our beautifulconversation.
To learn more about Garrett'swork, visit Gnosistherapy.com
Until next time, keep aligningyour work with the life you are
meant to live.
Thanks for listening to yournext success with Dr.
Caroline Sangal Remember,authentic success is yours to

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define and includes aligningyour career to support the life
you want.