Ep. 61 - Jolie Laide's Worst Song: Victoria BC, Loosey Goosey Recording, and Disappointing Heroes

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hey, how's it going? I'm Alex Southey and you are
listening to another episode of your worst song.
What's going on with Me? Just chilling with Mabel.
It's raining. The Leafs are currently up to
nothing. It's May 1st so Leafs fans will

(00:21):
know how that game ended. I don't know how.
Earlier today I had the pleasureof speaking with two members of
Jolie Laide, a pretty ugly in inFrench.
I'm sure I butchered that pronunciation, but hopefully you
get it. Two members instead of the one

(00:43):
which I'm used to. Oh, Mabel's got the zoomies 2
members. One was Nina, who's had a long
term solo career and has been active in, in and around the
music community in America for avery, very long time.
She comes, she brings with her alot of history and interesting
tidbits and, and, and working relationships she's had, chief

(01:04):
among them Steve Albini. That was we, we cover him a
little bit in this conversation.So fans of his should stick
around. And so Nina was 1 member and the
other was Morgan and Morgan comes from Calgary as opposed to
America. Seattle, more specifically for
Nina, comes from Calgary, and together they discuss with me

(01:28):
recording their new album, uh, Creatures, and that it didn't
initially quite get going as smoothly as they thought it
would. Not in terms of friction between
players, but just where is that spark?
Where is that? You know, creative carrot that's
that's bringing the carriage andand horse forward.

(01:50):
They they couldn't find it for alittle while and then out of
nowhere, you know, it seemed to happen.
So lots of fun stories here and lots of well, if you name
checks, I hope you enjoy it. That's Mabel and I am Alex
selfie. This is your worst song.

(02:19):
Why am I surprised there's a website that exists for that?
You know, yeah. Yeah, of course.
But, and a lot of times you can see what they have, they'll have
images of what they have. But the best, the best thing,
the best way to do it, which I found out later from my Hey, Hey

(02:40):
Morgan talking about the state bill.
Yeah, we're talking about a state sales right now.
Yeah, I know. But my my cousin told me that
like, you've got to do it on thelast day.
I mean, you don't, you lose out on actually a lot of, you know,
pieces, but you get the best deals because they're just like,

(03:02):
we just want to get rid of everything totally so.
Who's having an estate sale? But we're.
Nobody, nobody. We were just chatting about the
painting, the painting behind Nina.
Yeah, and, and all the paintingsthat I got like I have like that
museum wall paint that are similar to that and all of

(03:23):
houses for some reason I've likehave paintings of houses
everywhere, but I got them all at like a state sales for like
10 bucks. How are you doing?
Yeah. What have you got up there?
Good, I got um, let's see here. This was actually my dad's and
it's very Algic. It's kind of dumb.
It's like just this like you would see it and I don't know,

(03:46):
but it's it was in his my. Parents, that's beautiful.
Isn't it cool? It's cool.
You know what's so funny? Both of you are putting down
your the art you that Nina was like it's just like a dumb the
painting of houses. And you said you said the same
thing about yours. But come on.
There must be something to them up in your room.
Something. There Yeah, 2 here is our little

(04:06):
wet and you haven't seen this. Yeah.
Yeah. That's pretty cute, yeah.
That's pretty great. Wow.
Hi, Alex. Nice.
Yes, nice to meet you. Yeah, well, that was, hey, that
was a fun way to start the conversation.
But normally I do actually just ask, like, what were you guys up
to earlier today? So do either of you.

(04:27):
Maybe Nina, you want to go first.
Oh God. Was it?
I can literally just be this wasmy breakfast or whatever right?
But. Well, I spent the day like I've
been spending my days doing verysimilar things for for a while
now. Procrastination resonating.

(04:48):
I walk my dog is the only thing I don't procrastinate over.
And then I procrastinate. I've got all these things that I
have to get done and, you know, them being practice for Julie
led to her. But like, there's, you know,
I've got like a lot of things towork out and I'm, I'm just, I'm
the worst disciplinarian. How are you filling your time

(05:11):
while No, you're not just sitting there on the couch, I'm.
Guessing I think about what I have to do.
I think about it, yeah. And I think about OHK, how can I
motivate to do that thing? Like, maybe I don't know, a
snack, They'll have tea. So I mean, I'm quite busy in the
day. But it's all in service of
getting you ready to do the thing.

(05:32):
Yes. Yeah, right.
OK. So that was what you did today?
Practicing. I did practice one song, so
Morgan, I am doing something like.
Yeah, I grow. I know it.
Don't I know it? Well, go ahead.
Why don't you? Why don't you say, Morgan, How
How your day's gone so far? Today I so last night, first of

(05:54):
all, let's back it up. I had iced tea at maybe like
11:30 and then wow, thought there was tea has like a bunch
of sugar in it. And then my body did that thing
where I fell asleep and then like 5 minutes later I was like
my buddies like yeah you were not asleep, you're first party.
And I was like no, I gotta wake up early.

(06:16):
So then I had a bad sleep and then I went to work and and
that's it. But it's really beautiful today
here the sun is out and it feelslike summer and it's very
motivating and good vibes. Wow.
But the ice T was significant enough that it you're still
thinking about it the next day and it affected you.

(06:37):
Yeah, and I've even told that story.
I think this is the third time I've told it.
I'm like, did you hear about my iced tea?
But not a very exciting. Day, OK.
I mean, at this point, it's likea PSA.
It's a public service announcement.
Yeah, be careful. They should write down.
Morgan, you don't look like it, but we are of that age.

(06:57):
Well, you're not quite of the age, but we're getting, you're
getting of the age where you can't be drinking caffeine at
like that hour of the day without the consequences.
But it's a crazy life. But this isn't having this iced
tea. So this is just like, Oh no,
that is caffeine. There's caffeine in tea.

(07:17):
Just as much caffeine as coffee,Really.
Yeah. Plus sugar, presumably.
Or not, Yeah. Yeah, it's that big like.
You're like brisk or something. Are you Canadian or?
I'm Canadian? OK, it's not brisk.
It's the other big one from backin the day.
The other big one from back in the day?

(07:39):
Ice tea. Lipton.
Lipton. Lipton, Yeah.
It's actually not that either. Good, you're good.
Host good something good time OHS.
After that maybe. The size of my body and it came
from Costco. Oh, interesting.
I'm sure somebody is screaming the answer right now, listening.

(08:02):
Interesting. Yeah, yeah.
We don't need to get into Canada, America, anything unless
you want to. But I was going to say, actually
as of recording this right now, the Leafs are in game five, I
think, or something with Ottawa.So that's exciting for the
Canadian folks. Are you East Coast?
I mean, E Toronto Dish, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(08:26):
And you're both in Calgary rightnow or just Calgary time?
No, neither of you. I'm in Calgary.
OHK OK. I'm in Seattle.
Ohhh, Seattle. Wow, cool.
OK, well, I appreciate you all appreciate you doing this.
Yeah. OK, well, I just like there's a
lot I2 talk about I but I don't know the right way to begin

(08:49):
talking about it. I I almost want to ask.
I want to hmm, OK, maybe this which city means more to you at
the moment, Calgary or for both of you, let's say as a band, as
the band, which does Seattle mean anything to the band?
Or is it because I know Calgary for sure, but it's are you just

(09:11):
passing through Seattle or what?I mean, I'm, I'm here for.
Your based here. OK, based there.
Yeah, for a while, yeah, Yeah. OK, OK.
I signed the lease so. Yeah, Nina is the only non
Canadian in the. OK, OK.
We are Calgary, the the other three of us are from Calgary.

(09:33):
OK, OK. I wasn't sure how the split
went. I knew it was American,
Canadian, but gotcha. Gotcha.
OK, cool. And then, if I'm correct, you
sort of became you came togetherbecause your Calgary band was
big fans of Nina's work. Is that correct?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In in in short.
Yeah, and and very short. Well, we met, we, we met that we

(09:58):
met recording in the same same studio.
Yes, OK. Would you, can you recall the
moment you met? What was that like?
Heavy drinking. OK.
So in short, no, you can't quiterecall it possibly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, I mean, I have a hard
time. I have a hard time recalling.

(10:20):
And I always put now I always put Morgan in every situation
which is not. Like Mark?
Wasn't. There, I'm not complicit in
that. Put him there like Morgan is
now. In my memory, Morgan is now
drinking with us. Yeah.
And so Morgan, how about you? Do you have a perspective on
that? Our first meeting.

(10:42):
Yes. So actually, so, yeah, as Nina
was saying, she's placed me intoher memories.
Yeah. And she's that it is what it is.
I, I, we only met your first time in Calgary, right?
Which wasn't, I mean it was like2 years.
Ago. Wait.
Right, right. OK, so.
That's what we and Jeff and Clint, the other two members,

(11:05):
they, they go way back. Like how long ago?
OK. 567. Or even.
Longer. We only met, yeah, somewhat
recently when, when I kind of joined their band and yeah, and
then we just hit it off and thenthings happened really quick and

(11:25):
we recorded a record together and I was like, you're Nina,
right? And she said.
Maybe this is maybe this is something you said.
You recorded it really quick. It was like, I assume sometimes
the best part of writing an album or writing a collection or
whatever is writing that same wave of enthusiasm for as long
as you can were you made. And it almost feels like a

(11:48):
ticking clock in a way, if you're aware of that inspiration
that can disappear at anytime or.
Whatever. Yeah, Yeah.
I guess my question is, were youboth aware of that during that
making of it? Like, is that something you
think about? Well, I would say actually this
this record was we actually had what 3 weeks that first time.

(12:10):
So in our first session in Victoria, it was 3 weeks, which
is quite a lot of time, right. And you know, like.
Like, I guess for all of us. Tricky for me because I have
traditionally just recorded in my room.
Like I'm, I'm more electronic leaning.
So I'm like, yeah, I on one track literally for like 10

(12:32):
years on and off that and then two weeks later I'm like, now
the Hayat is too much pull it out like that.
So I was, it was a little not daunting, but I was, I had some
like some nervousness about how I would fit in a studio setting.

(12:52):
And even that first two days I, I remember, Nina, do you
remember? We were sitting there and we
were like, we're playing on the keyboard cause.
Yeah, that was fun. Here's a MIDI keyboard and this
is what you do right now. Fuck, But a few days in we we
found our footing and it's, it just really quickly felt super
comfortable and really inspiring.

(13:14):
I don't even remember if there was a feeling of like trying to
lose the magic or anything. It just, it was just happening
and it was really comfortable and, and absolutely the most
fun. I mean, again, it's the first
studio experience I've ever had.So the the bar is set really
high for me. That's great.

(13:35):
Yeah. Go ahead, Nina.
Well, it's interesting cause nowlike that you're saying that
Morgan about like working on something like having a unending
time frame for it. It's kind of interesting because
I don't, we don't have the two other guys to confirm this here,
but that kind of makes sense to me because Morgan really was the

(13:57):
guy that would really think things through in a way as if
there was all the time in the world in a way, you know what I
mean? Like you just in this way where
you just took your time with listening to it, mulling it
over, figuring out you weren't quick with choices.
Someone you know what I mean? Is my right?

(14:21):
Saying it, I'm realizing our team answers will be very
different because you as a singer and A and a writer, it's
like everything is the moment and the performance and the
delivery, right? It's like getting that right
take. Whereas I'm sitting there in
this like laptop dungeon. I was like surrounded by stuff
and I'm just like, no, like 8 hours later I'll have the right

(14:43):
like bass tone and it'll make that 1 little moment work in the
song. And that's what I'm used to.
So like the long game is very comfortable for me.
Right. Which actually, I think it's the
thing because Morgan's parts really are so I mean, they're,
they're incredible, I think. And they're and there are things

(15:04):
that like kind of wouldn't, I wouldn't even think of, right.
So it's it's it's just was I think maybe that element really
made it interesting that you do approach it in that way that
that was different you. Know that's cool calling the
producer and I would say like after done their stuff and
there's like 10:00 PM he's like alright now let's get weird with

(15:25):
it and. OHS wow.
Delays and just so much fun. That's cool.
So it's almost like you bring, so you are bringing a artist
songwriting aspect to it, but you are also bringing almost
like a engineering aspect to it that you can dig into.
Yeah, there's always been. It's kind of a blurry line with

(15:45):
experimental electronic music. Like at a certain point you're
like, is it a producer or a writer or an engineer?
Or very blurry. Instrument.
Instrument Or was the instrumentalist and it's and it
is blurry because there's some art, there's some musicians,
some electronic musicians that Ilove where you can't.

(16:06):
It's like, yeah, they're basically just kooky producers
that sit there and like how theyexpress themselves through
producing is the art of it. No, definitely.
Yes. Exactly.
Like their work speaks for them based on the choices they've
made. And Nina for you.
So yeah, was it almost the opposite?

(16:27):
Are you riding that that on capturable intangible?
Lost you OHP, you're frozen. Oht hold on, am I good now?
Sorry, Alex, cut out there. Am I OK now?
You're good now. Yeah.
OK, cool. No worries.
Yeah. Thanks.
Thanks. Thanks for telling me and so for
Nina are are were you trying to capture and keep up that like

(16:49):
intangible feeling of that's that songwriting capital S you
know magic. It's not all magic.
You can't all you can't wait forinspiration.
But there is a thing, right? Well, it's interesting.
I mean, it's it's interesting inthe studio that kind of felt, I
feel as though in my memory of it that it fell away very

(17:12):
quickly. But that when Jeff and I did the
first record, it was a back and forth that was so seamless and
fluid and easy that it was it was we almost thought we had
tapped into a formula that was like, this is this we're going
to make we're going to make dozens of records this way, you
know, like no time. And for whatever reason,

(17:35):
whatever reason it was I, I don't know, you know, I mean, a
lot of it had to do with Jeff would send me like finished
things and I would come up with the melody and lyrics.
And so the the Super interestingthing about it is that when we
got when I got to Calgary to actually basically do the same

(17:56):
thing, but with Morgan and Clinton, it didn't work.
Remember that. Of course, yeah.
I did so he would, he would, he would come at me and and and the
three of us he'd come out with with these sort of pieces of
songs. And I it was I just couldn't

(18:17):
hear anything like I did before.But for whatever reason, and I
don't, I don't know what what was happening, but you know.
We have a lot of variables, you know, like.
Yeah, yeah. Remotely is itself a big
variable, like. Oht right?
That's constructing. And he wasn't like, here's 5
seconds of a riff. He was like, here's essentially
like. Make something up, pray.

(18:39):
And then here's the vocals and they're like, oh, there it is.
Where's this time? You were gonna break it down a
lot more, I think. But it's also a hard thing to
like once you're aware of it, you know, it's like it's gonna
you see yourself on camera something like right now and
not. And it's different.
Yeah. So.
So we actually went into the studio thinking, OK, well, well,

(19:02):
we're not going to have a full record.
I mean, if we make an EP, that'll be great, but we're not
going to have a full record. No, wait.
The bar had been set to like, we're at the very least going to
have a nice week or two, OK? But it started with what we're
going to do, full record, then it went to an EP and then it was
like, well, it'll be vacation and we just show them one song.

(19:22):
It'll be fine because we have grand.
And it ended up being that. Yeah, it just, we and I don't
even know what happened, but once we got in the rhythm in the
studio of things, it really happened pretty perfectly in
terms of everybody had their part in an equal strength and it

(19:47):
just came together that way. Well, forgive me for prying if
it's OK, but I want to know about what it was like those
first two days where you're you're all acknowledging it's
not something is not working andyou keep.
I know it's sort of a funny thing, but but it is also sort
of, I assume it would be uncomfortable to literally be
saying to each other while we were going to do an album.

(20:08):
OK, now only an EP. OK, Matt.
At least we got to see each other.
What? What does that moment like?
I assume once you find the key into making the record, that's a
happy moment. So I wanna know about before you
guys all just like fuck it, we'll just enjoy ourselves then
whatever. I mean, even even leading up to
it, there was a jokey OK kind ofvibe to it.

(20:32):
Like we were like, well, and, and the catch phrase was we had
all summer, right, you know? Yeah, yeah, we have all Yeah,
will be out all summer to. Figure all summer to write these
and then we just like weird. We thought we were prepared and
then we weren't. And so it was a balance of like,
it's funny that we're unprepared.
We are, but also in the back of our heads were like, oh shit,

(20:53):
like kind of. The other thing was we didn't
know what we were going to soundlike either.
So that was the other strange, kind of strange element, because
there was, I do believe you're not going to do that.
I do believe that. I do believe that, you know, I
like I really like that first record and I feel like it does

(21:13):
represent I feel like we didn't even I feel like we didn't need
to change our name or anything. I feel like it was still Jelly
lead but it went it wasn't realized like it is with the
sex. I think we, yeah, at the same
time, we all had an understanding that we were gonna
like, it was like, OK, so obviously we're gonna find this
in the studio. And even though it's feeling

(21:35):
rough and it's feeling like there's a big question mark,
there was also like, you know, apositive, optimistic vibe of
like, well, we'll find it or we.Won't.
OK. OK, that probably speaks.
To that there's so many songwriters in the group that
were like it something will happen and even though it's kind

(21:57):
of a rocky like and the the lookon Colin the producer engineers
face, he's just like, oh, so it's going to be like this.
But then, but then a weird thinghappened with that too.
Once he kind of saw the that didn't say that we were
unprepared, but that we were. It was kind of loosey goosey in

(22:17):
a way. He was like he saw an
opportunity. I can't speak for him, but from
my perspective, it looks like hefelt kind of comfortable to to
to be more vocal about what he thought about what what we
should do and like. I think you guys should try that
one and this one really right when.
He. Because he were like, yeah,
sure, whatever. Like gets the ball rolling.

(22:37):
And then it it really formed this nice relationship rather
quickly. OK, so basically even though you
thought you were in the facing an issue, you were all sort of
still there was an underlying confidence of, well, Wolf, like
it's not the biggest worry. We'll find it.
We're all capable, obviously. Yeah, with this dark comedic
yeah, like, oh, we want. We'll just, yeah, screw off and

(23:01):
hang up. Yeah, tell me I want.
Sorry. Go ahead.
Ohi was just going to say, and Ithink once we started to hear
like how full things were starting to sound, we kind of
once everybody kind of did theirpart and tried stuff, we kind of
were saying think, see, we couldsee right away that we felt it
was working. So that's always a nice kicking

(23:24):
the butt to go, yeah, yeah, it'sgoing to be OK.
Not only is it working, but we're like suddenly weirdly
inspired and like. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
Yeah, into it. And like, yeah.
Which I, I kind of don't see a clock on that really because
it's just, I feel like it can, we're kind of open people

(23:49):
creatively to just go in different directions and just
keep staying inspired. I mean, I, I, I don't feel, I
don't feel right now like there's a clock and, or are we
going to be able to make anotherrecord?
Don't feel that way. Good.
I assume that would impede, you know, the the whole project.

(24:09):
Frankly, I want to hear a littlebit more about how the studio
location itself affected things,especially if you're going there
and having it, you know, like Lucy, as you said, kind of Lucy
Goosey. I assume that outside factors
would impact it more than maybe if you went in with everything
ready. So.
And especially it's Vancouver Island.

(24:30):
And I think I read in an articlethat was like, definitely it
wasn't in a city, it was like inthe out in the country
somewhere. So yeah, either of you or both
of you want to speak to that. Nina.
Well, I mean it. First of all, I had been to
Victoria, BC and it's absolutelybeautiful.
It's gorgeous. Beautiful.

(24:53):
I didn't really know Colin. He's lovely.
I mean, like I consider him a really good friend at this
point. And he's just a beautiful human
being, very capable and beautiful human being.
He also has like an amazing family, so he's like, you know,
his wife Catherine is incredible.

(25:15):
And then he's got like just the most cute, the cutest little
sweet pea daughter. So I mean, it's a very it's very
comfortable environment. You know, it's the studio is
just wow, just it's just comfortable.
It's like just. It's magical when you when you
drive out to it too. It's it's like yeah, amongst a

(25:38):
sea of these like not make mansion any things but these
really like loud looking places.Then there's is his property
drive through this like Sleepy Hollow Rd. with these canopy and
trees and then you're right, it's like cabin house.

(26:00):
Yes. Immediately such a vibe you get
transported. But yeah, the location itself is
just, it's right by the water. And so if you need to like cool
off or just go for a walk and feel inspired, it's it's just
just feel the nature. It's, it's so easy to and, and,
and it was really, really nice. So to answer your question,

(26:25):
yeah, I, I think actually the location had a lot to do with
them. Hmm making us getting us into
different zones. OK, Yeah.
I think uptight about that environment which made it really
easy to relax and to doing some work without.
Yeah, I know Clint. Clint would have had a really

(26:46):
good answer to this. Clint one the other vocalist and
guitarist. He he he went down to the ocean
a lot and just like felt one thethe water.
Yeah, that's something that happens there, like invites you
to do it. You feel that the edge of
something. And.
Yeah. And you just.
I Yeah. I love.
I love that that area just because it's still stuck in my

(27:10):
head. How about this?
Have you ever Morgan, have you ever been to Seattle?
Yes. OK.
And Nina, now you've been to Calgary.
So what if each of you says the thing you like most about the
other city? Would that be interesting?
Morgan, do you wanna talk about Seattle?
Seattle, Seattle. Well, my husband was beside me.

(27:33):
He could have a list that would take the rest of the podcast
cause he used to live there. He loves it.
And every time I say anything atall about anything, he goes, Oh,
yeah, this one time in Seattle, we did that.
Wait, but doesn't get to -40 in Seattle, you know, this one time
it was there was a lot of snow and like, OK, but it's

(27:53):
different. Yeah.
Yeah. So anyways, one thing that I
like about Seattle, let's see. Coffee love.
Coffee. Yeah.
Yeah. Not.
Starbucks, but just coffee culture.
OK, coffee culture. That's a good one.
OK, Nina, are you about to, are you about to say like Cowboys or

(28:14):
something? Cowboy culture or something?
Yeah, yeah, exactly it. I was there for Stampede.
That was the weirdest thing. That was the weirdest thing
because like I I happened to be staying in a section part of
town where and I didn't know anything about the Stampede.
So I was just doing my little thing of like going for coffee

(28:34):
and then like overnight everybody was a cowboy.
I mean like, like it was Halloween and everybody was
cowgirl cowboy and it's like what is happening to the city?
Like what am I missing? I was the only one that wasn't
dressed like a cowgirl. So it's kind of fun.
And then I think the thing I love about Calgary the most is,

(28:58):
and I haven't been up in a helicopter looking down, but
I've seen images like when you're looking down and it is an
absolutely beautiful city. Oh, that's a nice thing to.
Say, isn't it? I mean, when you're in the
pockets of it, you're kind of like, but like looking down.
It's quite beautiful, right? Days since too.

(29:22):
What's that? If you catch the mountains in
the distance and. Adds Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Really beautiful, yeah. Wait, I have an answer for you,
Nina. I remember you loving the dog
park. Ohhhhh, I forgot the dog park.
OK, yes, there's a dog park there that is like the size of
Central Park. And it could and you could just

(29:44):
have your dog loose. I mean, unfortunately my dog has
a screw. He's got a chip loose in his
head. Something happened to him.
I don't know what, but yeah, he got it now.
But then he just, he he could just run free.
It was amazing. I've never seen a dog park like
that. Before I've never even heard of
that. That's wow.

(30:04):
So it's as big as Central Park you even if.
You're sure you're? Yeah, I'm sure you're
exaggerating, but still. Huge.
Wow. Different section and you, you
know, you could kind of get lostin it, I mean.
I don't even, I don't even know the name of it, but it's right
along the bow. River neither.

(30:25):
Pretty, pretty. OK, damn.
Alright, well, I'm so distractedby that now I want to know more
about that, that huge dog park. But OK, OK, then I want to where
we can get into the first. We can get into the first main
question actually, which is whatfor you?
And let's start with Nina for you.

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Nina, what has your best show been?
Whatever that means to you? The best time you had playing
live. Maybe you nailed it.
Maybe it was an atmosphere thing.
OK. I will tell you, yeah, because I
mean, I have a lot of, I have a lot of them that and that the
the things that are the, the, the things that always make them

(31:11):
the best is if they go off the beaten track of what they're
supposed to be. And then I actually really like
it. So, so I did on this last, I
think, yeah, the last UK tour I did, um, somewhat recently.
I was in, where was it? It was in a Bristol, I think it

(31:34):
was in Bristol and it was sweltering, really hot, you
know, like in a, it's this little club that had it.
It was almost like set up like ablack box.
That was the, the, the venue and, and there was no air
conditioning. There was no fan, there was

(31:54):
nothing. And it was record hot, like
crazy hot. And I did the sound check and I
was barely able to frigging breathe.
And I thought, what is it going to be like if it fills up?
And it was supposed up? And I was like, what's going to
happen? And so right when people were
arriving? So then then what I did after

(32:16):
the soundtrack is I went and there's this beautiful garden,
like gorgeous garden where there's just a big tree in the
centre and then all these littlekind of benches around, you
know, and it was gorgeous, a little tea everywhere.
And so I thought, OK, well, you know, there's, there's at least
that. I wonder if they would.

(32:37):
So I went up to the, I went up to the bartender and I was like,
I got to talk to somebody about like, can I take my show out
there if it's too hot? And they're like, oh, that's
kind of unprecedented, but I don't know, like, maybe, well,
why not? I guess so, you know, since
they're law. Wow.
So I did one song. It was packed in there.

(32:59):
I did one song and I was like, this is stupid.
Like I'm miserable. I was sweating.
Everybody was sweating. Everybody looked miserable, but
they were really sweet sitting. It was packed.
And I said, all right, guys, this sucks, right?
I mean this really. Sucks.
And so I just unplugged everything and I said follow me.
We're going into the, we're going into the yard.

(33:22):
So. Everyone went and it was, it was
fully acoustic, did the whole set out there and it was like
the most magical. It was the most magical thing.
I mean, it ended up being kind of like a like you're around a
campfire or something. I mean, it was everybody was
right there next to you and justlovely.

(33:43):
That sounds that my favorite. Sounds.
That sounds lovely. That sounds idyllic, Morgan.
I don't know how you're gonna beat that, but good luck to you
if you'd like to tell a tell a best show.
I, I, I totally agree. I, I kind of have a very similar

(34:05):
broad answer to that in that like being forced to pivot or
adapt and react to a situation is always.
So it's just, I love the, the results and the risk of that.
And like, if it works out, it feels so good and reminds me of
like improvising on stage where you're taking a risk.

(34:26):
But if it works, Oh yeah, it's, it's like everything and it
feels so good. And I have a lot of examples of
little things like that where you have to pivot, like, oh, we
don't have a monitor, so you have to your electronics aren't
going to work. And then it's like, OK, so then
we can only use our instruments.This is for an old electronic
band. And then that.
So being forced to do that the first time made us kind of level

(34:50):
up and be like, oh, if we play the bass and guitar really loud
but feels this way and. Right.
Little sorry. That's a big pivot right there.
Yeah. And I remember it being like, we
might not be able to do it, but it's like, what do we have to
lose? Just try it.
There's so many little examples like that where where you you

(35:10):
just have to think outside of the box, like like and and use
the, the heat of the moment to to, yeah.
No, I get, I get why that would be more almost more valuable
into a we're in a weird way because you learn from it.
It's like critical thinking. Plus, if you pull off this thing
then it feels even better than it would have.

(35:31):
And it's like a memory experience for you and for the
audience. And if you can express that
feeling, which you, you hopefully will hopefully weird,
but we're in it together and we've all kind of, you know, if
you've been to shows you've, you've probably seen something
like that and it's, it's a, you know, it's a nice little
bonding. Experience.

(35:53):
That's so funny. Yeah.
It's actually like if you're a fan, speaking as an audience
member, if you're a fan of a band, that's actually what I
like seeing the most. I don't mean I want to see the
band fail, but I wanna see something out of the norm.
Because chances are, if I'm a fan, I know they're recorded
music pretty well. So you learn more about the band
when you see them faced with something, even if it's just as

(36:15):
small as a monitor thing or as big as something else.
Who knows? And like it bands that are on
tour, you know, if you've been on tour for months, years, doing
the same static stuff, you know,at a certain point if some days
it kind of feels like you're, you're just doing the same
thing. And and so to experience someone

(36:38):
doing something different and itbeing obviously a different real
moment is is can be. Yeah, it can be special.
Well, you said there's a lot, but is there maybe one that you
can that you can pull out of theraffle of of your mind and and
tell us? Yeah, so I've got two.
OK, great. One is for so the band that Jeff

(37:00):
and Clint and I were in as before this called Florida BC
and we played the Folk Fest two years ago and we didn't know
until maybe day of that we weren't actually playing inside
the Folk Fest, but we were playing the free stage out by
the bike. Racks.

(37:21):
Yes, I see. That's a very funny like when
when you say that you gives it afunny vision.
But we really were like thanks for the bike racks and we were
like, what? We're playing free.
Like that's lame. And we just got all kind of not
ugly, but we were just like kindof feeling deflated about yeah,
yeah, these suckers. Of course we get what we deserve

(37:46):
really about it, but and then wewere just like, let's just what
can you do? Just just have some drinks and
have a good time. And we ended up having such
it's, it may be the best show we've ever had.
As in in that iteration of that band, We just had such a good
time. So the lesson there is just
like, I don't know, just be a big boy or big girl and figure

(38:08):
it out. Yeah.
There are moments when it's a dream and there are moments when
it's a job that finishing, committing to that was the job,
Yeah. And then my second one with the
group Baths, it was me and my friend Will.
And he, we are in Boulder, Co Yeah, that's right.

(38:31):
And we were on the car from, I think, Denver to Boulder.
We got a a DM from a fan of his who was asking if we would play
a certain song if you request that you play a certain song
that night, which we had never played, and with bass,

(38:52):
Everything was really prepared. It was like we had to spend
weeks, months figuring it out and really making all the
moments matter and practicing itover and over, blah, blah.
And they said, yeah, there were requests if we could play this
song because our late friend whojust passed away a week or so
ago or a few weeks ago in those really bad floods that were in.

(39:14):
Ohe yeah, yeah. You were 17 or something.
Yeah, that was their favorite song.
And we were just like, well, shit, we we gotta play this song
like, and we had like, and it was like, there was no time.
So we just during sound check, put it into our laptops and
figure it out. Maybe had time to do it once to

(39:35):
like, see what we're even gonna do.
And then, yeah, we ended up playing that song as the last
track, as the, the, the, the an encore.
Yeah, Encore. And it felt so good.
And we just like it. It was, it was another one of
those pivotal moments. And just like what?
Really meaningful. And then we played it every,

(39:56):
every. Yeah.
Wow, did you did the person who deemed you to hear that song,
did they respond to you later? Like thanks for playing it or
did you know anything like? That yeah, they, we saw them in
the alleyway. It was really touching in.
The yeah, that's awesome. That's really lovely.
Um, well, I wanna something actually somewhat trivial, I

(40:20):
guess trivial that I like to askis since both of you have done a
lot of touring, what is the mostinteresting green room you've
seen? And it can, it can, it doesn't.
That's not what's the fanciest, although it can be, but most
interesting. I've got one off the top of my
head. It's one of those Nina, you know

(40:40):
those boat venues in like FranceOHK.
So there's this there was this one that the green room is so
the whole venue is a boat That'sjust the stationary boat that's
been turned into a venue. Super cool, like it's.
Yeah, that sounds awesome. But then the green room is
behind the stage and the only way there is to walk like this.

(41:06):
So if you're back there, you're you're back there.
And the only way out is, you know, excuse me, like walk.
And that's, and it's super small.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's one that comes to mind. Wow.
OK. Yeah.
Nina, is that your answer as well or?
Sure. I'll take that answer as well
because I feel like I might haveplayed that venue.

(41:27):
Um, yeah, I can't. I can't think of.
No, that's all good. That's all good.
It's just something I like to ask people.
People have one because I find sometimes that's where the venue
will show its quirks. Occasionally you go, oh, OK,
this is a converted something, you know, or whatever.
I want to just because it's interesting.

(41:49):
I think people find it interesting.
I know that you worked with Nina, you worked with Steve
Albini for a while off and on, Iguess.
And I guess I want to ask the simpler question is how was
that? Because obviously he's a, he was
a well known guy, well and well respected for what he did and
and sort of the sound I guess hemade famous with us with certain

(42:12):
bands like Nirvana or the Pixiesor whatever.
So but then he also just worked as like a guy for hire.
He wasn't walled off in that way.
So yeah, I want to hear maybe your perspective on him.
Well, every record I've put out on my own stuff has been with
him and he. I mean it.

(42:37):
Oh my God, I just feel so lucky that I had that opportunity.
I loved him so much and he became like such such a good
friend after a certain point. There's like, you know, I
basically there's a Steve Albinihandbook for recording, you
know, and really, really super useful.

(43:01):
I feel like I learned a ton justgoing he he had a great way of
just, you know, because he wouldrecord everybody and you could
record on this amazing equipmentand for what you got, it was
like seriously cheap. I mean to do it with such, with
him and with such an incredible,incredible equipment and.

(43:23):
He could have certainly charged much more based on his history
and past credits. It's basically what you saying.
Yeah, wanted it to be. He wanted everybody, anybody to
be able to record that way. So he had this, you know, he was
very much about being super efficient when you go in there,

(43:45):
like, know your shit, get in there and like, so.
Yeah, so there's so. But the other thing that's kind
of funny about the Steve Albany Handbook is that, you know, he,
it, it's not a one-size-fits-alland he can't be wrong sometimes,
or he could be wrong. So, but I don't know, just

(44:13):
lovely, just a lovely human being.
I don't know. Well, yeah, that's sort of even
just your just the little thing that you said there makes me I
feel like a lot of people maybe have an idea at least of how he
worked on the music side, how hewas in that role.
But you knew him, like you said,as a friend eventually.
So maybe you can What was he like as a friend?

(44:35):
You, you know, yes, he, he wanted like organization and
well rehearsed in the studio, but just as a guy.
Just uhhh, the dog. Sure.
Just he, I mean, he was the guy I could call.

(44:55):
I could call for anything. He's definitely the person that
if you're in trouble, you call him in the middle of the friggin
night and he will bail you the fuck out of whatever you know,
or call somebody who will. I mean his whole thing and you
saw it in his memorial, the whole, his whole thing was about

(45:16):
creating a community of people to really help each other and be
there to support each other. And so he would, you know, I
would have trouble with somebodyand be like, I know somebody
that went through that thing. And then he would call them and
they would call me or you know. Oht Wow.
Like, and it could be, it could be pretty random, like like, Oh

(45:39):
my God, I have broken my brain and iasca I I need help.
He's like, oh, I know somebody broke their brain and Ayawaska,
he got through and I'll have hercall you, you know, that kind of
thing. Or he'd he'd call me and say,
you know, I have a friend that, you know, you went through a
similar thing you did. Would you be willing to talk to
them? And that kind of stuff, which is

(46:00):
just lovely. And he was so active about it.
Yes, that's evidence of a a ton of empathy, which I feel like
maybe I wouldn't have. Not that he would.
I wouldn't have thought he wasn't empathetic, but that
seems extremely actively empathetic.
When? You're just, he had a

(46:22):
reputation. Sorry, I'm talking.
To you exactly I. Sometimes some people would say
he was like an asshole, right? I was like, I, I've never known
that man to be an asshole in anyrespect.
I mean, he could be opinionated,he could say something
provocative, but but he he careddeeply about other human beings
deeply. With all those things, it's

(46:44):
always contexts too, just like how like you like how you know
him versus how other people don't or do in different ways,
or we only extrapolate from headlines, whatever.
Right. So anyway, I just wanted, I was
just curious, curious about that.
We can get to the next question,which is actually the opposite
of the main one. I just asked you, which is what
do you think were your worst shows?

(47:06):
And it's interesting because both of you for the last
question gave examples that almost could have been really
bad and then they were saved andthey became the best show.
So yeah, is there anything wherethat nice little bow on the end
did not happen? Nina, maybe you can go with that
one or? Are you ready, Morgan?

(47:28):
That's what we're if you're ready.
To go. I was just gonna say a lot of
mine are teetering the line of like.
And I was like, I was writing little lists and I was like,
actually, this one can go under both.
Go ahead and eat. OK, so I have an obvious one
that's like really boring. Like I couldn't get my tuning
right and it was just a disaster.

(47:49):
I have one that I have to call out somebody that is considered
a legend. And I would never do that, call
out people on bad behavior. But you know what, being in this
country like that I'm in, and all this bad behavior like
people need to be called out. Yeah, OK.

(48:09):
I'm going to call her out because basically it was it, it.
So it was a funny thing. It could have been like my worst
experience. It ended up being my lucky
experience actually in the end. So what happened was I was doing
this. I was just getting all nervous

(48:31):
pain like doing this. Like somebody's gonna like some
music. Police is gonna come and like.
If you decide after you tell this story, if you decide after
you tell this story or after thepodcast you don't want it
included, I'll edit it up. No, no, I will include it
because it really pissed me off.So so I was playing this show in

(48:53):
Russia. It was this big, huge festival
and I think you know, and and there it was like a kind of
people from all over the world was some like some celebration
of peace show. I think it's made my have been
called so those people from China to like everybody was
there from all over the place and, and I was playing it and

(49:13):
all the, the so there's so you would have so there's one
headliner, well, like 2 headliners.
This woman, I think her name wasSymphora.
I think she was kind of considered the Madonna of
Russia. She was huge and Patti Smith and
yeah, so everybody got so those two got like a full on show and

(49:38):
then everybody had like, maybe, you know, you could play 3
songs, right To play 3 songs, which is fine.
You know, whatever funny for three songs.
It's fun. So I'm playing, we're we're
going to do this thing and the promoter, I'm trying to be brief
to the promoter was good friend of mine.

(49:59):
And I mean, he become a good friend of mine and and he helped
all the shows in Russia and he always was just such an advocate
and always wanted to help me, you know.
So they were going to do this thing at the end of the
festival. There's going to be big
fireworks that we're gonna do. They split off the categories
for got a whole lot of love was one category song for somebody

(50:23):
like we are the world thing. Everybody sings on it.
OK, And the other one was all you need is love.
So I'm in the all you need is love category.
And of course, my dear friend islike is like, would you do this
one? You do a verse and Patti Smith
does a verse and then everybody comes in on the course and I'm
like, OK, you know, like, you know, little peak.

(50:44):
And so I'm, but I'm also terrified because I don't even
know how to sing any other song other than my own.
I can barely sing my own. I mean, I'm just so nervous.
I'm so nervous. So, so we're at the hotel and so
everybody agrees. And so, so her band is up on
stage and this little hotel bar and the bands like, let's

(51:05):
rehearse. And I said yes, yes, yes.
And I get up on stage and she's just like, no, no, no, you guys
rehearse. All, all come in.
They're like, please, please, please come or whatever.
No, no, no, no. And then we rehearse.
So then she comes back and she says, I know what we'll do.
She sounds great. Why doesn't she do all the
verses and I'll come in for the chorus and nobody's gonna go for

(51:27):
that. I mean, I'm nobody.
That's like ridiculous. It's looking.
So we're all begging her to do it.
We're just like, that's not gonna work, Patty, you need to,
you know, it's not going to work.
So finally she comes up and saysshe rehearses.
We sing together and it's I'm actually standing there singing
going holy mother fucking shit. I'm singing with Patti Smith.
It sounds great. I'm a super excited.

(51:48):
I've got to learn this song. Oh my God, I gotta learn the
song. So then the next day we're gonna
do it. I'm rocking in the corner for
like 24 hours trying to memorizesalt, right?
Because I suck at memorization. So finally it's my, you know, I
do my little 2 minute set and then I'm like rocking in the
corners, practicing, practicing,practicing.

(52:11):
It's time. I'm walking up on the stage,
Huge stage, just like massive stage, the stadium stage.
I think there's like 200,000 people there and one, you know,
to the left is my mic, to the right is her mic, and I'm just
going, is this my mobile? Oh my God, I'm halfway and her

(52:33):
guitar player comes up to me andsays Patty's just going to do
all the verses. Ohk God.
OK, and you know what am I gonnado?
I I suppose if I was like, and amore aggressive, ambitious
person, I would be like, yeah, no, then sing over.

(52:56):
There's a mic there, you know, like they're gonna turn me off.
So. But I was like, OK, it's fine.
But the thing was such a train wreck that it was actually lucky
because that I didn't do it because it actually was terrible
because she didn't rock in a corner to remember her words.
She didn't remember them at all.She had like a little piece of

(53:18):
paper and messed up and it was abig mess and it.
Was God that's a tough one. Never meet your heroes kind of
thing I guess. It's kind of never meet your
heroes. And I don't think people should
behave. Oh my God, what am I doing that
I'm telling this story? I don't think it doesn't matter.
Like, you know, I don't think people need to be fantastic

(53:39):
people. I mean, there's artist, yeah,
they do whatever they do. They don't have to be fantastic
people. But I do think there's something
about like I I just think in music, like you just got to,
it's hard enough. You gotta like help the help us
little guys, you know what I mean?
Like give us little guy. It's like, what does that take

(54:02):
away from you? It's like just giving little
guys a chance. I don't know.
No, you're definitely right. You're definitely right.
That's a very fair worst, yeah. So I've never said it.
I never bad mouthed people but I'm gonna say OK, that was bad
behavior and I was not happy. No, that wasn't.
And, and also you made a very valid point, which is that, you

(54:23):
know, people are artists, but that doesn't mean they need to
be the nicest people ever. But it does mean that if they're
paid to perform or they're doinga performance or whatever, they
should be prepared. They're an artist that is still
under the umbrella of their job,right?
So you can still call her out for that unprofessionalism.
Well, no, I can't call her upfront professionalism because

(54:43):
I think I'd have to then call myself.
I'd have to do that a lot. It's a dangerous game.
That's a lot of artists living in glass houses.
Correct. Is there maybe that non generous
part that I would be like, yeah,it's not cool?
Yeah, well, Morgan, I well, now I know I have two questions.
One is obviously for you. What do you think is your worst

(55:04):
show? But have you ever had it Don't
meet Your heroes moment as well?So maybe you can think about
that in the back of your mind. I think I've maybe have but I've
maybe like blocked them out. OK, sure, sure.
I've had, I've had a too nervousto say hello to my hero and I'm

(55:27):
sure and I make like a sound andthey're like, are you OK?
You choking? I'm like, yeah, I just keep
walking. And they're like, not even that
famous. They're just some electronic
nerd dude. Right, right.
Most of the people I've met haveactually been very, very, very
nice. Good.
No, that's good too. Who was somebody that you that

(55:48):
you were like, wow, they were really nice.
Even if you expected them to be nice, you were like, that was
surprising. Noah Panda.
Bear OK, I don't. Generally kind cool and he was
so like, he made me feel so. And I was just like, at this big

(56:08):
electronic fest, I was just somedude and he just talking, and we
were talking for like 20 minutes, just nerding out about
crap. And yeah, super nice guy.
OK, well that sounds. There you go.
So what about workshop? I feel like now I feel like
shit. I should have said something.
I. Should of course you want it.
No, no, no. Do you wanna add who's who's the
nicest? No, no, no, let me do some shit

(56:30):
talking. I couldn't get my guitar tuned
and I'm in this church and I can't get my guitar so basically
hoping went out. You'll have to say.
OK. Yeah.
No matter around on you, didn't I Nina?
So unfair. Yeah, what's that?

(56:50):
I just, I was like, no, I don't say mean things.
I'm just gonna say something. Well, I don't know.
Lord. Thought that should be in this
or not. If it helps, I've done a lot of
shit talking myself on this podcast about people in Toronto,
and that's a smaller world. So yeah.
Anyway, well, you let me know, alright?

(57:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty. Is 1 but I actually don't wanna
say it. No, no, that's OK.
I didn't mean for this to get into TMZ sort of thing.
How did you have to now? Let's see at the end.
OK, so worst, worst gig. OK, yeah, there's a, it's a big
list, but I'll maybe the the best one, which isn't that bad

(57:37):
in the in the grand scheme. It's still, it's like glass half
full. It was an opportunity, blah,
blah, blah. This one was just there's a a
goofy sense of irony to it, which is that we were playing a
Ticketmaster company party. I'm in San Francisco, downtown

(58:01):
San Francisco. I don't remember the venue.
And just from the get go, we were just like, this feels very
like, you know. Icky.
Corporate, yes, vibe, but it waswhatever, just another gig.
And then yeah, from from the getgo, just the second we started,

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no one. They were just like, oh man,
we're annoyed. I think one time maybe someone
glanced at us to, like, acknowledge that there was a
band on stage and otherwise songs would end and and.
And we would we would come to ita silent, you know, Yeah.
Would be applause break nothing.What's?

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Just a steady din of like conversations on the floor.
Exactly not crickets, just the the the chatter would once our
music came low enough is like, oh, there's just there's that
chatter and they're just and they didn't even look and was.
Like. Think Will at some point was
just like, are you got? Are you guys?
Does anyone care? So that actually I'm curious,

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how do you then how do you then deal with knowing nearly
objectively these people don't care at best, they don't care at
worst. They're not, I guess, depends
what you have to do, what you have to lose.
In that moment for us, we had really nothing to lose.
We were just like, let's just. Treat it like a rehearsal now.
Yeah, get a little goofy. Try things you wouldn't

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normally. Try jam in moments you wouldn't
normally. Right, right.
Well, we've got a sound system here.
Let's just have fun. Oh yeah.
And then I think about halfway through that, the the power went
out. It just made the song the power
just to the PA. We like.

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If that normally would have happened, we would been like, Oh
my God. Like it would have been so
jarring. And we just, like, looked at
each other, expressionless, walked off stage to the green
room without saying anything, Not in a dramatic way, just in a
comically, like, we could give less of a shit.

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Yeah. And then we just walked back
there. And then I slowly poured myself
a drink. And then he went on his phone.
And we just kind of hung out fora bit.
And then they're like, the powers back on.
You can go back up. We're like, OK.
Jumping back on, we're like, we're back now.
Man the irony of especially at being a Ticketmaster place and

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nobody cares about music and you'd expect at the very least
they'd have the money to rent a space that wouldn't somehow have
a PA that runs out of power. I look at it two ways.
It's like they just talk about music all day.
I get it. They're probably the last thing
they want is to go buy a ticket to which so.
Yeah. But at the same time, it's also

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like, so do you not give a shit about music?
I don't like I. Don't know.
And that's also not your problemas the band.
It's the problem of the whateversome underpaid assistant that
booked you, you know, booked youguys for this event.
I think, yeah, just the idea of shows in general or just like
go. Work.
Yeah, yeah, OK, OK. Well.

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That was a very a but, but it's just an example of one of those
ones where you're just like, it's just a job.
Yep, and now it's behind you. Yeah.
Yeah, and you know, what did yousay?
Circus or something? Why did they have a plan?
Exactly, Circus is a great idea.Magic.
Like a magic dude, some dude dude, magic.

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I don't know that provided me that reminded me of the other
worst show. The Oh, no, OK.
What is that, a Swatch party? When I first started doing music
so I'm like, it was like some Christmas party for Swatch.
That's like that's like an apparel brand.
Oh, it's the watches. Oh.

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Yeah, Watch. Watch.
It's a watch that's like all different coloured bands.
I don't know. OK, OK.
Watch anyway, Swatch and he was a long time ago, clearly.
And I was playing this thing andI'm I'm I'm like just me solo at
this Christmas party with my songs, which are kind of like

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not not fun songs. And I think I get like 3 in at
some drunk guy comes up and I'm like just mid song and he's like
excuse me, Santa's coming up. OHP.
That's what I got derailed by. Yeah.
So it really drunk. Santa, because it was a
Christmas party, came up and I was like, OK, I left.

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Ohio. Talk about people not giving a
shit. Yeah, it.
Was Oh my God, sounds like something out of the office that
sounds. Yeah, it was like.
That. Geez.
Wow. OK, well getting back into
higher spirits then. I'm curious.
This is another one with very vague borders or boundaries as a

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question, but what do you think is your perspective best?
Best Song, whatever that means. OHP.
Hello. Good.
Now we see you. OK, OK.
For awhile what? Cheese.
OK, I don't know what's up with my Internet, but thanks for

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bearing with it. What do you think are your
respective best songs? Which can mean whatever.
I know it's a tough one. Alright, Nina.
I don't know. I, I mean, I don't listen to

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them is the thing. Like once they're done, they're
done. I don't really listen to them.
I would, I mean of my own stuff,I would say.
I mean, so I think the one the the if I were to pick a song, I
would have to say it's from the first album, dogs the stormy

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weather 1, because it I I wrote it really early on and it felt
like the one that was the most inspired.
So it came kind it was, it seemed a lot more advanced than
I was capable of. And, and you know, at the time,
because I just started writing and, and so and that song me,
you know, I was, I think when I go back in my head and I'm like,

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oh, I'm really proud of that song because it was just just
proud of it. No, I get it.
So it's, it's that one because you can remember now in
retrospect, the context it was written and and you, you felt
like at the time you sort of overachieved and kind of nailed
it back then. And I feel like it's, you know,
I'm, I'm, I, I guess it's the one that I'm most proud of

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because I feel like, Oh well, I,after having written for so for
a long time now, I, I feel like if I wrote that now, I would be
just as happy with it or you. Know no, definitely that's a
great measurement of it. I think that serves as really
good evidence. Morgan, how about how about you?

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Um, I wait, the question is you're oht right?
You're. Your best in your opinion,
whatever that can mean. For I was just daydreaming there
about my experience at the folk Fest two years ago where it was
the middle of the day and they've been three days of folk
festing. And it was really sunny and I

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was, I just went to take a little nap on the grass, which
is a very sweet thing to do during folks.
Just chill music, chill vibes and Nina was doing a workshop
set. OHS.
You do these like kind of round Robin, bunch of bands are on
stage and then each will presenttheir song and the others kind

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of jam to it in the moment OHS, which can be terrifying for some
of us. Yeah.
And Nina was doing one of those and I think that was the first
time he did it. And and and I just dozed off and
then suddenly I like, I was kindof half awoken in this dream,
dreamy lucid state. And I was just like, man, most

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of this had sounded like it was fine, but whoever is singing
right now is blowing my fucking mind.
And I was, but I was still asleep, too asleep to really
wake up. It was like one of those lucid
situations, but slowly woke up in a right when it ended.
And I was just like, what the fuck was that?
That that was so good. And then Jeff looked over and he

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was like, that's Nina. And it was superstar Nina.
Morgan could be you singing in your sleep.
I was like, that's the best picture ever.
Who is that genius song? Oh, it was me.
Yeah. Yeah, no, it was you.
And I was like ohhhhh, so stokedand I'm so beautiful and that's

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Superstar. That was that song.
So that's. Got to be your song.
Side Story. No, no.
Yeah. Thank you.
That's lovely. OHS really Again, thank you.
God, now I feel like a Dick. Though I don't think I have a
good answer for the problem withmy my.

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The answer for this is most of the time, 99% of the time that
I'm in bands, I'm not the principal songwriter.
I'm just like contributing things.
Well, you could always answer favorite.
I don't know. You could always answer
favorite. Maybe then.

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Is that so many favorites? I Morgan favorites?
If you don't know your favorites, I can say your
favorites because there's so many on.
The Jolie lead stuff is fantastic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would say so for that was gonna be my real answer actually
was and and not being a a a songwriter again, it's I didn't

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really have anything to do with this, but saw the wave.
The last track on our record is really meaningful and beautiful
and it's a lot of things. And I'm just really proud,
really extremely proud to be part of it.
And it's, and it's, yeah, it's, it's very special.
Was that an easy decision for you?

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Are you, like, once you heard the album in full, it's like,
don't. I don't even mean when you were
writing it, I'm sure that was exciting.
But after you can look at the full, you know, you can see the
forest through the trees that still immediately is like, yeah,
this one for me. Oh my God, yes, and, and, and
that one particularly, I remember when we when we first

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kind of jammed it out and and cleanse basement years ago, I
recorded it on my phone and thenI went camping that that weekend
and I was just sitting there around the campfire after
everyone had went to bed, just listening to the recording over
and over and over and over. And I was just like, this is
incredible. Like it was so just so

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impactful. And then years later we finally,
like you're saying, we we see, see it through to fruition and
it could not have imagined. And it's like production wise,
it's one of the more straight upones on the album.
But there's something about thattoo that makes it really the

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simplicity of it and there's nottoo many layers and it's just,
but it's just, the songwriting is just stunning.
Wow, both OK, good. I'll great answers.
It's great answers there. Yeah, I mean really to so
because Morgan's not really tuning his horn enough, so I'll
put it for him. Is this those parts that he cut

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that he comes up with all through that record are really
put in this place of, I think was it this who said this?
Like somebody said it, who said it?
I forget who I was talking to that said, it's like turned it
into a wide screen event, got super cinematic and really it's

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it just puts it over the edge inthis way.
That's so just really, really beautiful writing.
Morgan for sure. I just put glitter on on
existing pieces of art. I like that way.
I like that way. Putting it.
That's that's great. Well, then this might be an
interesting question for you to answer, but we're at the
titular, titular question, whichis what do you think is your

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worst song? Nina?
Maybe we can. Let's start with you Worst
Joliet. Worst song?
Yeah. I mean, I have written some
worst songs or I don't think that I'd put them on any
records. That's the hope so then, which I
understand as an answer, so that.
Not that like, that's what's up.I definitely have songs that

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make me kind of cringe. But it could be that or you
don't relate to them anymore. Like it doesn't mean you.
This isn't like necessarily an opportunity to just totally shit
on something. It's.
Just more shit on myself, have some fun with that.
But I, I mean there, it's funny.There is this one song.

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Um, it's it's very funny. I could have gone in like a
definite different direction andwas when they started brooding
anything really. I mean, it was just recording
with friends, whatever and and and so a friend and it's like

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taken a song I wrote, which was almost like me trying to be
Cheryl Crow or something like that.
I mean it was really really it was like it was in the very
beginning of me writing and and A so somebody just produced the
hell out of it in this way that like sounded so not me that I

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think and and it I I don't thinkthe writing was very I don't
think it was all that good. So but that's not a song.
That's. Is that something we can hear
online? No.
No. OK, yeah, what about something
we can hear online? OK so so like a dog's life kind
of makes me cringe. OK.

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That makes me. What what what hits off the
cringe meter. Um.
I think the melody makes me cringe.
I think, um, I mean, I like the stream of consciousness writing
of, of like turning into a dog, that trippy thing.
I kind of really like that idea that, but something about, you

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know. It's a dog's life, I.
Well, I don't know. It's like it makes me crazy.
Life makes me crazy. I don't know.
OK. But yeah.
So maybe dog's life. Dogs like, OK, so I have to
think about. I gotta think about stuff more.

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Sure. No, you can think some more,
maybe Morgan, can you? This is a weird one for you to
answer, I guess. Yeah, Why don't we?
You know what's the? Word for me to do some shit
talking. Exactly, after all the nice
things you said. Maybe I can.
So I Yeah, the only way this answer is gonna work is because

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I've put out a solo record, a solo electronic record.
Yes, called. Winter.
I've put it on band camp. It was very kind of casually put
up. It was right at the near the
beginning of band camp, or at least the beginning of my
awareness of it. And so I was just like, Oh well,
this is the new Myspace. I'll just put put the thing up

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on here and you can put a full album up.
Sure. I had owed a friend of mine.
I used to burn CD's of my my kind of demos and my current
music to friends. There's this one friend of mine
who had been asking for like over a year and it was dog shit.
Yeah, I'll get you. I'll get you one.
And it just turned into this. I I I I reluctantly hadn't given

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it to her for for so long like yeah.
And then so my way of kind of making it up to her as I was
like here I put I put it up on apage.
You you inspired me to do it didn't a weekend.
So anyways, it was the point is,none of the tracks were really
like, done. I was just like, this is just
kind of a glorified burnt CD here.

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And then someone on Facebook reposted it and it got a lot of
weird traction for, like, being a nobody at the time.
It was, yeah, happening. So then I was like, alright,
well I guess that's the album then.
I just have to live with it. So in a lot of ways, that entire
thing is feels pretty cringy to me.

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But and I'm usually pretty pessimistic about my own music,
but I at the same time have to say like I don't I don't regret
it. It's all you have to put stuff
out that's. Absolutely.
Oht it's like A and I'm I need to listen to my own advice
because that's the only thing I've put out under my own, an

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embarrassing amount of other songs that I could have been
putting out and should have been.
But I'm like, yeah, I'll get there, I'll get there.
But yeah, so I don't have any one song, but I would say it's
that winter. Yeah, so and it's, it's, it's
pretty like corny. OK, gotcha.
What what strikes you as corny? Just in general.
It doesn't have to be that record, just what is what

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strikes. She's coordinating music.
Hmm for me especially in electronic music like like drops
that are the sound cool maybe oror using samples in a cheeky way
like sampling some guy that's like and boom goes the dynamite.

(01:16:33):
That, yeah. Yeah, I see.
OK, cool. You know, things like that.
Yes. OK, I gotcha.
I gotcha. We maybe drum samples.
Here's the thing, you can use cheesy samples, but if you're
like if you have an awareness toit, yes, but really easily to
like tasteful and and and and it's what the intent is totally

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unintentionally using cheesy olddrum loops and things like that.
That with my own music, I'm like, oh, I can, I can hear the
the software priests that. I understand.
Talking me, yeah. Well, we're pretty much near the
end, but is there anything you either of you want to say before
it ends, anything you want to promote specifically or anything

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I didn't get into that you want to cover?
I have, I have like 20 more bad show stories.
Yeah, but no, I I think I'm good.
I mean our our. Yeah, obviously your album and
the tour. Yeah.
Do you want to talk a little bitmore about that?

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You've got creatures and then you got the tours there.
Anywhere you're specifically looking for to going to, or
anywhere you've never been before on the tour, either of
you. I'm looking forward to getting
out of America. Yeah, OK, good answer, good
answer. Have you?
Have you? Played East Coast Canada at all.

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I've played out of. Blue.
Anything east of Calgary's East Coast to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I played there before.
OK. But not Maritimes Canada like
Halifax or Newfoundland or anything.
Oh yeah? Wait, where is Ottawa?
Ottawa Ottawa still in Ontario? OHS Yeah.

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My God. Well, it's all.
Good started to play that littleGuelph island for that Guelph
Festival. Cool.
Yeah, Guelph is awesome. Yeah, cool.
That's the only one I've played is the Calgary and the Ottawa.
I've not played any of the otherplaces.
Gotcha. OK, cool.
Yeah, well, you'll enjoy the Maritimes.
That's a that's a lot. That's very quaint.

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But yeah, thank you both. OK, thank you both very much for
for coming on the podcast. The the OK the end usually is I
play what was chosen as the worst song.
Ohk lordy. As in, I just like stick on the
track at the end of the at the at the end, so.
Wow, what an asshole. And the other thing is normally

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I have the interview end by the normally I only usually
interview one person and they say their name and the worst
song choice and their band name.But what both of you would like
to go ahead and do, or I'll say I don't know how you could
orchestrate that. OK?
Morgan looks really excited to do it and Nina looks like she
has no idea how to do it. So.
So hold on, let me get the instructions correct where he's

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saying our name and then both ofour respective worst song names
at the same time. No, not at the same time.
Not at the same time. I Yeah.
Hmm. How are we going to problem
solve this? Just individually, like Morgan,
you say the full thing, Nina, you say the full thing.
Yeah, my name is Morgan from Jolie LED and my worst song is I

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think it's called Juice Boxes off my album Winter.
OK. It's track 2, whatever that one
is. OK, perfect.
Nina, would you mind doing the same?
Yay so I'm Nina Nastasia from Jolie Led and my my worst song

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but not really my worst is dogs.OK.
Great. Your dog is making noise.
I know right as your dog is as ahuffing and puffing.
Dream about a dog. I was walking ahead eating in an

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amusement park with people all around me.
We rode the roller coaster ridesand he was laughing as we jumped
in the sky and I saw that I looked just like him.
It's a dog only the dogs like run in the woods, dig a hole.

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Just him and me. He showed me all the various
scented treasures on the ground.There was a little girl, she was
scared of me and I was scared ofher.

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He let out a bark and she screamed, dropped her chocolate
ice cream. Suddenly this old man chased us.
Still, it's a dark. I don't 2.

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He ran across the street and there leave Mr. speeding car.
Suddenly there's old man grabbedand from around the corner I hid
behind a big trash can and wondered what's I try to stay.

(01:22:31):
The curiosity kills me. Ohm Dog 2 it's.
I. Words.

(01:22:54):
No, it's a deal. No, sit down.
It's stop the. They.

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Just oht God, Hey, just cutting in here to say we're just also
going to play Morgan's track. But Morgan realized that it is
called good. Not what he said in the
interview. Not juice boxes.
Alright, so here is good. My.

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Damn good.