Quantum Book Club - Does Stress Cast An Energy Field?

Pa'Ris'Ha and her international panel of Co-hosts explore chapter three of "The Heartmath Solution" by Doc Childre and Howard Martin, with Donna Beech.
Are our emotional states communicated through the electromagnetic field that surrounds us? How does our heart react to and transmit positive and negative emotions in ourselves and others?
Join Pa'Ris'Ha and Co-hosts Geraldene Dalby-Ball, Sydney AUS; Tryna Cooper, Denver CO; Gabrielle Thompson, Mt. Beauty, AUS; Evelyn Yllada, Miami FL, and Marianne Love, Melbourne AUS as they reveal more about  "The Heartmath Solution" by Doc Childre and Howard Martin, with Donna Beech.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Here's Parisha Getings and welcome to Quantum Leap book Club.
We are on Law Attraction Radio Network and we're currently
reading and reviewing the book The Heartmath Solution by Doc Childre,
who's the founder of the organization, Howard Martin with Donna Beach.

(01:00):
Our host Parisha will not be with us this week
as she's traveling and teaching, so the co hosts are
going to cover the material this week. We left off
last week finishing up on chapter two, which was the
Ultimate Partnership, and so this week the co hosts and

(01:22):
I are going to be covering chapter three. So this
week we have with us l Away from Sydney, Australia,
but possibly traveling as well, Marianne Love from Melbourne, Australia,
Gabrielle Thompson from Mount Beauty, Australia, and myself Trina Cooper

(01:43):
from Denver, Colorado. And this week we're going to tap
in as I said to chapter three. Now, Chapter two
was called the Ultimate Partnership. So we talked a lot
about how the heart and the head communicate with each
other and the importance of creating a coherence between the

(02:06):
heart and the head in order to live more efficiently
in a much more wonderful life. And so this week
we're going to go on a little bit more in
depth with this information. And so we're going to start
by jumping into Part two, which is all about accessing

(02:28):
the heart intelligence. And the first chapter in Part two
again is called the Risks of Incoherence. So to talk
a little bit about what Part two is about is
the fact that we need to begin to learn how
to access this coherence between the head and the heart.

(02:52):
It's easy to say this is what we're going to do,
and then everything's going to work great. However, are mind
creates obstacles for us, and the mind is a thing
that creates kind of blockages between this partner, between the
partnership that happens between the head and the heart. So

(03:14):
the goal of Heart Math is really to increase this coherence.
So in this particular part of the book, we're going
to be looking at what stresses and some practices like
freeze frame that will help us release some of this
incoherence and begin to build the coherence between the head

(03:37):
and the heart. It's going to teach us how to
monitor our thoughts and feelings and then also how to
look for energy assets and also any deficits that we
might have along the way. And I'm going to start
out today a little bit talking about chapter three, and

(03:58):
then each one of the co hosts will come on
and we'll also talk about what they wanted to bring
forward through their presentations. So the first thing is this
risk of incoherence. Now, we saw some graphs or talked
about some graphs last week that showed what coherence was,

(04:22):
where the waves go together, where they roll together, where
there's an even format to what is happening, instead of
scattered waves all over the place and skeet a scattered
thoughts all over the place where it's a much more

(04:44):
smooth transfer of information. So the problem, the risk of
coherence that we have is that each of us is
always faced with some kind of risk, tragedy, something happening,
something that stresses us out. And this chapter really is

(05:05):
about the stress. And there's a story in here about
someone losing their job and about what can happen when
that happens. So when we have something traumatic like a
job loss, we can become extremely stressed out over that

(05:26):
and we move into a place that instead of feeling
calm and peaceful, we move into a state where we
feel very stressed, very agitated, and we have to reduce
the stress in order to think clearly. So what happens
is when we get hit with something and there's a
lot of stress and this incoherence starts, we begin to

(05:51):
have scattered thoughts, Our mind races, our heart races, we
can't think clearly. And what the problem really is, it's
not the event itself that creates the problem. It's the perception,
the way we perceive the problem and how we act
that really determines whether we're clear or we're scattered. So

(06:16):
if you don't if you get into that state of
being very unfocused, the mind starts racing and all these stories,
all these possibilities start coming forward. You can't see a solution.
You get so upset, you get so scattered by things,
it seems impossible, and you move into despair. Well, what

(06:37):
the woman did in the story was she hit that point.
And when she hit that point of despair, she let go.
She released, and when she released, there was like a
sense of peace. It's like you have to stop and
allow it to happen. And when that sense of peace
took over, she began to open to new partibilities. She

(07:02):
could see solutions, She could tap into the heart more,
because the heart is where you see opportunities for hope. See,
we have this natural resilience. This natural resilience allows us
to instinctively turn to the heart. Our stress reactions are normal,

(07:25):
but so is this resilience. So when we learn, and
this is what's going to happen in this next session,
is we learn to align to our core heart feelings,
it begins to bring this incoherence back into a coherence.
We move out of the turmoil and we move into

(07:49):
a more state of flow, a way that we can
find solutions and new creativity moves in. So I'm going
to go on to the next co host, which is Laway,
and allow her to talk about internal coherence.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Fantastic and to start with that is just that term coherence.
You've heard it a lot, but I thought i'd give
a dictionary definition as well, and that is its logical
and consistent is one version, or it's having the quality
of forming a unified hole. And then when we think
to the body, how effective we are when our body

(08:30):
is acting as a unified hole. The food goes in,
it's chewed up, it's digested, the blood can absorb it,
take it to the tissues. The oxygen can then be
used by the lungs, the carbon dioxide can come out
through the blood. All of that is working as a

(08:50):
unified hole. So inner coherence is essential, just on that
very basic level of how our organs acting, and then
our organs and all they're influenced by the hormones and
our neurological responses to things. As we've heard the flight
or fight. That alone, when you're in that state, takes

(09:14):
away the for example, takes away the digestive juices, and
then we don't break down food So that's an example
of where our inner coherence is out. And a way
of looking at that is to say, okay, how can
we be most powerful? That is when everything's working together,
as Trina mentioned, when those waves are working such that

(09:35):
they're in unison rather than bumping off each other and
being diffuse. And there's times for things to be diffuse,
Like the sunshine around me right now, that's diffuse. It's
the there's light particles here and they're just present. Then
if I was to take those and put those same
light waves of light and make their frequencies all the same,

(10:00):
I'd have a laser. And you can see the power
of a laser compared to light. When you want laser,
when you want specific focus, when you want an outcome done,
Having all of the waves in unison give you a
tremendous power relative to when we're just being diffuse. So

(10:21):
in that we have this ability to have our whole self,
including every single cell in our body works with the
concept or the principle of coherence. Things need to be
working in alignment with each other and in communication with
each other and in timing with each other for us
to be healthy. So I think that's a key part

(10:42):
about the inner coherence knowing it's there and anytime you're wondering, Okay,
how do I be the most powerful and effective I can?
And if the word powerful has a you know, a
trigger of dominant or tirade or something like that, then
that's something to look at because all we're saying is
full of power. So it might be like, if you
want to boil water, you want to have full power

(11:05):
there to boil it. So in that way, coherence is powerful,
and we need to understand that our mental and emotional states,
when they're coherent, we're powerful and focused and effective. When
they're not, then we are very much subdued, and on

(11:25):
the other end of the scale, we're chaotic and unable
to even complete tasks. So there's a direct correlation between
coherence and effectiveness.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Appreciate that sharing and the explanation of coherence because knowing
that we are capable of moving ourselves from a state
of stress, a strait of a state of incoherence, into
a state of coherence is extremely important for us to know.

(12:02):
It's natural and we can learn how to use this.
We can learn how to become laser focused versus scattered.
So thank you so much. All the way for sharing
your part of this, and now we're going to move
on to Marianne to speak about gaining access to this.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, it's a good question. How do you gain access
to the heart's intelligence? I thought it was interesting that
they mentioned here that there's a stress associated with just
changing attention and changing your focus, and that nowadays we
actually have to change our focus and attention, you know,
ten to twenty different times in an hour in terms

(12:46):
of the whole different things we're focusing on and the
different concepts we're thinking about, whereas in the past we'd
only do that seven to eight times in an hour.
So there's a stress consequence just from the busyness and
the intense city of the lives we're living now. I mean,
I remember years ago when there wasn't all the Internet
and all the emails and all the text messages and

(13:08):
all of that. How very different the world used to
be without the level of communication that we've got, like
at our beck and call now and even now I'm
being mindful of how many times do I check my
emails or look at my WhatsApp messages and things, and
can I minimize that actually to reduce stress? But what

(13:29):
they're really talking about here in this book not that,
but actually reducing stress stress by accessing the heart's intelligence,
and the heart has a way to communicate with the
brain and to bring our whole nervous system into an
alignment and into a balance and a peace. And so

(13:50):
many people realize that when you focus on your breath,
you calm down, like most of us would have done
that at some point. And that's what they've taken the
principle and magnified at one thousand and fold by doing
their research on the heart and the intelligence of the
heart and the power the heart has to change the
brain and to bring your whole nervous system into coherence.

(14:13):
I don't know if any of you have looked at
their equipment, but they've got some quite a good equipment
that I've bought. I've used over the years with clients
that show your heart rate variability, and it shows that
if you're stressed and anxious or angry, that it actually
comes up on the equipment showing the hearts changing its
speed of beating irregularly. So you could look at that

(14:35):
then on a graph and realize that that graph's all
over the place that your heart's going a little bit
fast and really fast and really slow. It's like it's
like being in your car and having your foot on
the accelerator and the break all at the same time,
and so it's all over the place. And many of
us live our lives like that, like with our nervous

(14:56):
system just you know, on full pole. Then it's screeched
to a stop and then stop start like And so
that's what they're bringing our attention to is we can
change that. We can bring our heart into a more
rhythmic pattern, as in, we can it will accelerate and
decelerate at a more consistent speed, and that comes with

(15:20):
feelings of love and care and appreciation. It comes with
the happier feelings. And it's those feelings then that broadcast
broadcast out through the heart to the brain and then
bring all your other organs and cells and everything into sync.
And so you know, this is really a powerful tool

(15:42):
that we've all got at our beck and call because
we've all got a heart to be living and breathing.
So we've all got that to access at any moment
in time. And so it's a matter of first now
understanding how do we access it and they've given us
a lot of tools. In the book, I read one
of the research papers that they did where they took

(16:02):
a whole lot of musicians and they hooked them up
with the heart rate variability equipment, and when they gave
the musicians a practice to do the freeze frame practice
of dropping into the heart, they found that those musicians
were then able to play with more coherent so that

(16:22):
showed up on their heart rate variability. They also put
all the audience on heart rate monitors as well to see, well,
what was the effect if the musicians were more coherent,
was there an effect in the audience in their heart
rate variability? And they didn't find an effect in heart
rate variability. But what they did find was when the
musicians were doing the practice that the qualitative analysis as

(16:47):
in what the audience said was that they felt more connected.
They felt that the musicians were more a part of
a team and working together, so they were able to
recognize some change in the musicians after they've done the
practice versus not doing the practice. So anyway, it's important,

(17:08):
I think for all of us to understand this so
that we've got more power over our lives.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Thank you, Marianne It's interesting that you brought up about
the musicians and things, because that you know, we're talking
about in coherence, we're talking about the frequencies. We're talking
about how things resonate and how we're drawn to them,
and we can even feel that if we step in
a room with tention when people are angry. We don't

(17:39):
have to hear a thing, we don't have to see anything,
but we can feel it, we can touch into it,
and depending upon the way we perceive things, we can
literally react or act one or the other. So thank
you for bringing that forward. That was really interesting. And
now we're going to go on to the damaging are

(18:00):
facts of stress. Garby's going to share some with us.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
There absolutely, but before I do, I just want to
connect with Mary Anne saying, you know the heart rate
variability monitor. I bought that many years ago from the
Heart Math Institute as well, and I've been wearing it
a fair bit and it is absolutely interesting to watch
how quickly you go, I go from coherence to being

(18:25):
a little bit stressed or more stress and it changes
all the time. Just sort of as an added on
comment in how much we need to observe our stress
levels because they change all the time. We might seem
feel quiet, but a noise happens in the background, or
the telephone rings or you know, and straightway things change.

(18:46):
So how the debugeting effects of stress? I want to
start with some statistics because they're quite impressive. It's saying
here that seventy to ninety percent of consoles to doctors
general physicians are from stress related disorders at a big number,

(19:07):
seventy to ninety percent. And for example, they're saying risk
factors for heart disease. Often we hear about cholesterol, which
certainly may be a risk factor, but they found that
none of these factors such as smoking or cholesterol are
pressent in half of the time when they find heart
disease and after heart attack recovery they're fine. Is most

(19:32):
likely when actually emotional factors are considered as well, not
just physical and life style factors and diet. And a
very great point is made here the overall happiness is
the most likely determinant of recovery. How is that you
know that needs to be settled in. I want to

(19:55):
just share some small statistics here because in case people
don't have the book. Overall the institute research that they
found forty percent higher death rate if people are stressed
that anger during conflict situations, expression of anger may increase

(20:17):
heart disease or the risk of heart disease. That the
same goes for the worry about life conditions. And while
that is normal, we are learning here how to manage
and regulate that. But ongoing worry and you know, the
stresses we feel between being torn maybe between career and

(20:37):
family and relationships. So that is certainly something for us
to be matched. So what we're looking at here, because
there obviously are damaging effects of stress on the whole
body and especially on the heart. We want to achieve
mastery over that. We want to feel that we're somehow
in control. And while life events happen, you know, we

(21:01):
are not in control of them, but we can find
control in how we feel about things. Our concern about
stress is real, and it's funny way to say. It's
you know, like or worry about stress. It's real, but
let's do something about it. So maybe we've known a
certain way to grow up, you know, maybe it was

(21:22):
a stressful household. Maybe we have a stressful life. A
lot of events, you know, work, financial concerns, raising a family,
point is though. Stresses will happen and they have a
damaging effect on our body. So let's look at what
we can do about reducing stress. Because stress is not

(21:44):
normal and we should never go to a place where
we accept that. So we have two choices. Really, we
can blame others or the world for our stresses, the environment,
our work colleagues, our finances, our healthy and you know,
or we can change how we manage our emotions and

(22:05):
our life. So you know, heart attacks happen when things
have been going wrong for a long time. This doesn't
usually just happen overnight, and finally the body just breaks
down and shows I had enough. So reduction of stress

(22:27):
can make the difference between health and disease. And if
it stress is caused by our emotional states, we can
look at taking responsibility for the stress right now and
not blame others, but do things like the heart breath
and other practices we will learn to manage every day,

(22:47):
every minute.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh yeah, that's wonderful. It's much better. I had seen
in that chapter myself, and I love all the statue
brought forward. But what was interesting to me that this
book I think was published background late nineties, early two
thousands the original copy of it. But he says in
here that in order to come to cope, and that's

(23:15):
not resolve, but just to cope, Americans alone consume consume
five billion tranquilizers, five billion barbituates, three billion amphetamines, and
sixteen thousand tons of aspirin, and that doesn't include ibuproven a, cinamonifin,

(23:35):
or any of these others. So it seems that some
of the focus has been on how do we reduce it?
Do we take a pill for it? Or are we
really going to do some work on ourselves to be
able to take a look at this, to be able
to learn how to handle the stress and make some

(23:58):
changes in our lives. I think that's what these what
they're trying to point out. So I'm glad Gabrielle at
the end you did say that you know, this is
a time for us to really take a look and
learn how to manage this and learn how to handle
things ourselves instead of drugging ourselves up. I think that
is phenomenal. Too many people go that route and expect

(24:22):
that to be a cure. So I'm going to talk
a little bit about chronic stress and chronic stress is
different than and then you know we talk about chronic stress. Well,
that's something that is constant. It's not acute stress. Acute

(24:43):
stress would be if there's an accident, something happens, your
body kicks into this stress mode in order to respond
with it. But chronic is constant, and it's when that
stress wears on us all the time, even to a
point where we begin to ignore it or we don't

(25:04):
even notice it because it becomes such a habit or
such a part of our life. So there were a
couple studies that they talked about the fact that when
someone is in tension and frustration and stress mode all
the time, it doubles the risk of myocardia. Excuse MEA

(25:26):
I hope I say that right, which is insufficient blood
flow to the heart. This can lead to the heart attacks.
And that it's not that these extremely rare events, big
events in our lives that cause stress are not the

(25:46):
biggest problem. It's the small, low, constant levels of stress
that trigger it. And this is something that everyone needs
to be aware of because you know, I really feel
like all of it have these pressures and like Marianne
was talking about the you know, we we have the Internet,
we have the cell phones we've got, We've got constant

(26:09):
information bombarding us all the time, and do we ever
take a break. So some of the things that happen
with this chronic stress reaction is that the body and
mind respond to any kind of a pressure situation that
we come in contact with, and that it's our perception
of events that don't meet our expectations and we can't

(26:34):
manage the reactions to them, to the disappointments and things.
This resistance and frustration throws us out of balance. And
again it's our perception of the events and how we
manage them which determines whether we have constant stress or not.

(26:56):
So we get knocked out of sync when things happen.
And then last week we were talking about the fact
that when the hearts and the head to create a partnership,
everything runs in sync. It's a teamwork, it's a flow.
But what happens here is that our bodies responses when

(27:18):
we respond to stress.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
We have.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Fourteen hundred different kinds of chemicals, We have hormones and
neurotransmitters that are produced by our body. Our autonomic nervous
system goes into high gear immediately and then the hormones stay.

(27:42):
The hormones occur and they stay, but they last in
our system a lot longer. There was an example that
was given, like if you drink a whole bunch of scotch,
like a bunch of glasses of scotch or whiskey. You
can't just drink a glass of water and expect for
it to go way. It takes a while for that
to get out of our system. And that's exactly what

(28:04):
happens when we get an overload of all these hormones
and chemicals into our body. So adrenaline gets pumped into
our system, neuro adrenaline and cortisol. Cortisol the stress hormone
that gets pumped into our system. And if everything is
working okay and it's in balance, that's good for us

(28:27):
because it raises our heart rate, it gets our muscles
to tense, it gets us ready to spring into action.
But when things aren't balanced, it becomes a problem with
our health. It's like what we've heard before where you
step on the accelerator in your car and you're revving
the engine, but you're stepping on the gap on the
brake at the same time. After a while, the engine

(28:50):
wears out or the brakes wear out. And because the
body is similar in this that when we're constantly pushing
all of this energy into it and not backing off
of it at all, we have things that happen to
our body and we start moving into a way of

(29:10):
being out of balance and in disease. So that can
impact immune function, It can impact the sugar levels in
our system, bone loss, reduce muscle mass, the skin doesn't
respond and grow the way it should, It increases fast.
It impairs our memory and our abilities to learn. It

(29:30):
destroys brain cells. We just can't even think clearly. So again,
the daily accumulation of this does the most damage. And
again we don't realize what's happening most of the time.
We're kind of oblivious to it until we have a
major thing happen. So we want to make sure that

(29:52):
we can remove this chronic stress or we can learn
how to manage it our reactions to it in order
to keep ourselves balanced and healthy. And after the chronic stress,
we're going to go to the mortality of stress. So
it's not just chronic. It can actually or the morality

(30:16):
of stress. It can actually have greater significance to us too,
So it's morality of stress and that will be all the.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Way, yes, And that term morality relates to our interpretation
of good or bad, you know, or can I justify
something or not. So what it's saying, no, what our
body is saying to us is it doesn't really differentiate, well,

(30:47):
doesn't differentiate at all. You could say, well, I was
really justified at getting angry there and therefore that's okay.
To the body, it makes no difference. I mean you
may have also heard how watching a horror movie or
being in a scary situation. Again, whether it's a movie
or real, our body creates a response to it. What's

(31:09):
the same here, whether it's whether it's anger or anything else.
The response chemically is the same, whether it's justified anger
or justified you know, any of the emotions. We're not
just doing that anger or not. So what that's saying
is you may go, well, I got really angry. However,

(31:33):
that's okay. It was appropriate for me to get angry
because it was justified by ABC and really the bodies
turned on the adrenalines happened. The suite of hormones that
are connected to that have been released and your cortisol.
That's another type of that's another substance in the body

(31:54):
goes up. And what we spoke of briefly at the
beginning too, where we switch into a different type of
a nervous system, so we're in flight or fight, we're
actually taking energy away from our organs where produce when
we produce cortisol, you would have heard, we've discussed at
other times there's another substance that gets produced. When we're

(32:17):
in a calm or a state where we're using those
emotions that are enlivening, like appreciation and gratitude, we produce
a hormone that's revitalizing the body. But when we create
these ones, the stresses, we're actually creating ones that take

(32:38):
resourcing away from our organs and body and nervous system.
And it can get to a point where you've got
that incoherence created by those feelings that's at such a
level that people can be unaware of the damage. It's like, well,
I just got angry and then you know, I settled down,
I was fine. But as we're looking at we've looked

(33:01):
at the chronic stress, but also these periodic bursts of
stress have been shown to be super damaging. I guess
it's much like in the past is to think, well,
people drink alcohol, et cetera. Like you said with the Scotch,
it takes a bit to wear it out like a
binge drinking. A big burst of anger is also seen
to be very damaging, is what they've found. You know,

(33:25):
there's studies that show that big release of anger and
then that brings it into the questions of well, you know,
releasing my anger helps me get over things, and there
are definitely therapies that are around releasing anger. And I've
even got people close to me saying it was some
of the best things they did. And I know doing
psychodrama has helped me at times. So everything every time

(33:47):
we're talking about something here, it's not just an absolute
Getting angry is going to harm you. Getting angry is
going to cause a cascade of chemicals in the body.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
And what.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Can do then if you're going to continue reliving a
past situation, recreating that set of chemistry, then you're moving
yourself into a position where that chemistry is damaging, irrespective
of whether it's justified that you feel like that or not.
So that's one of the things that they change when

(34:20):
Freud used to say, you know, it's important get your
anger out and then later change the practice of not
working so much on getting the anger out, and this
concept of reliving past experiences hits now sort of felt
that it doesn't actually make them disappear. I'd like to
keep open though that what was what I'm saying here

(34:42):
is not don't do them, because quite often when you
can do specific processes, you can find your own a
hard moment and release that feeling. The key thing is
if you can stop the reliving, and you may have
a friend or that can help you with it. When
they hear you might come up and go, oh, you know,
starting a whole story again, it's about not doing that.

(35:04):
Don't reinforce those ones. So it's not about expressing these
feelings irrespective of thinking they're justified or not, whether it
be anger, remorse, sadness, poor me, all of those. And
it's also not about repressing them. So it's not about
just burying them under there. So there is both of

(35:27):
those can be seen to have damage to the internal systems.
So it's about recognizing to choose to respond differently, and
how do we do that. Well, there's particular techniques, lots
of techniques, and the ones that we're looking at at
the moment are all around the heart. Come back to
the heart, breathe through the heart. See if there's another

(35:49):
way of looking at this. So that morality of stress.
The key point is it doesn't matter whether it can
be justified or not. It's going to have same response
throughout your chemistry.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Thank you, Elway. I think it really is recognizing the
fact that emotions are emotions and we need to learn
how to work with them. And this book, of course
really dives into some ways for us to handle certain emotions,
certain stresses, and our perception and the way we can
work with these. So Mary Anne, if you have any

(36:31):
comments on this before you go into Signals from the Heart,
because I know you work with folks all the time too.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yes, well, what did you want me to comment on,
particularly just this idea of that the anger and reliving
it over and over again you have it?

Speaker 5 (36:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
I mean some people that I work with, they can't
help it because they're almost they're nervous systems locked in
the pattern, and so it's sort of like a few
out of their control to not focus on it like
they might be getting nightmares, particularly with post traumatic stress disorder.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
YEES.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
So I think what Alloway, what I understood Aloway sharing
was that if you feel like you've got a choice,
well don't go down the rabbit hole and just keep
repeating the story because you're going to be increasing the
emotional chemistry in that way and wiring it in your
brain more strongly. And I think for people that don't
feel like they have a choice in that, yeah, you

(37:29):
can go get some assistance to get off the train
basically to take the emotional charge off it. And a
lot of that practice I do is with EMDR therapy
I movement desensitizationary processing, and in a way that's a
very mindful process, So you're sitting mindfully and position of
observation and allowing the emotions to discharge in a way.

(37:52):
So it actually to me brings the heart into the
healing process in a way that the brain wouldn't naturally
do on its sometimes I mean it can naturally do it,
but it can also get locked in and we almost
get so fragmented within ourselves we're actually disconnected from our
own healing, natural healing ability, and so a therapist can

(38:15):
just help recreate that link again, so that in a
way that they were a person's own wisdom or their
own heart helps the brain unlock the emotional trauma and
bring it back to a state of calm and peace
and re establish beliefs like I'm safe, or I belong

(38:36):
or I trust myself for different things that don't feel
true in moments of trauma. And so I guess it's
a complex answer, is all I can say.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
And would you like to dive into now the signals
from the heart too.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Well, again, it's like looking at talking a lot about
heart intelligence, and I think I looked up the word
intelligence just to think about this, because this is more
than just about managing stress with an almost like an
unintelligent or unconscious organ of the body like you might

(39:12):
like we might have conceptualized the heart or of the
organs of the body. This is an intelligent organ. So
they're saying intelligence means you have the ability to understand,
to learn, to form judgments and opinions based on reason.
And so the heart has neurons and it's able to understand, learn,

(39:34):
form judgments and have opinions based on reason. And so
if you really think about you've got another brain, we've
got another brain, and this brain is actually stronger than
the brain in our head inasmuch as it has a
much bigger electromagnetic field. So the brain in the heart

(39:54):
actually has access to every cell of the body, and
it also has access to retraining the brain. So our
job is to access the heart's intelligence and to realize
the heart is intelligent and it's a tool for us
to use. And so looking at our emotions inviting conversations

(40:18):
with the heart and the heart's intelligence. I mean, we
all have intuitive moments, right, Like oh, I just felt
I should reach out to my friend and you call
them and they go, oh, I was thinking of you too,
I'm so glad you've called, Or you feel care for somebody.
You don't feel that in your head. You feel that
coming from your heart, right, And that is a message

(40:42):
to you, Like it's telling you to act, it's telling
you to reach out, or it's telling you how to speak,
what to say. People will often talk about the differences
when they hear someone speaking from their heart or someone
speaking from their head. You know, like when you've had, say,
really traumatic events and you're in to the politician's talk
and you can realize some politicians are reading a script

(41:05):
and it's there's a closed heart there, like there's nothing
going on other than they're ticking a box and reading
a script. And then you hear other people talk and
it's just so authentically heart based, right, they might cry,
they'll share a truth, and you can feel that as
the listener. And so we know, we know the difference

(41:27):
when the heart is talking and the head is talking.
And so I guess my main point is to recognize
that the heart does have intelligence and it speaks, and
then our job is to connect up with that and
invite the communication through. And so heart Math are talking
a lot about looking at the heart rate variability. You

(41:49):
can buy the equipment. As Gabrielle mentioned, it's very it's
not very expensive really, you know, in the scheme of things.
I've bought equipment that measures the wave patterns and I've
spent like ten thousand dollars on it, and then I've
bought the heart math equipment, which also has is just
as powerful or maybe even more powerful because you can

(42:09):
wear it around whenever you want to and have a look.
And I've spent like two hundred dollars. So when I
say it's not as expensive, that's what I mean in
comparison to other measuring equipment. It's really accessible, I think
to a lot of people. And you can use that
information to give yourself feedback because we grow in feedback.

(42:30):
We need feedback to learn and to adapt and adjust ourselves.
And it's I mean, I've had clients who say, there's
no way I could relax, There's no way. Meditation doesn't
work for me, Breathing doesn't work for me, A guided
practice doesn't work for me. And then you put them
on the equipment and take them a journey through the
forest or do something nice, regulate breathing, do the heart

(42:51):
math practice of focusing on positive feelings, and they will
see that their heart rate becomes regulated, and the equipment
will show you know that they are able to have
an influence on their nervous system and their heart. And
so I think, just each of us trusting ourselves that
we do and are able to it's a matter of practice.

(43:15):
I know sometimes when I meditate and I put the
equipment on, I notice my heart rate variability gets worse
as it gets more incoherent. And I'm like, we do meditating,
what's going on here? And sometimes I have to sit
in meditation for a very long time before I notice
the shift in both my meditation also my heart rate variability.

(43:38):
And so don't be put off if you feel you're
one of those ones that can't do it. It's a
matter of just focus to practice. Everybody can do it. Ultimately,
we've all got the equipment, if we've got the heart,
we can do it.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Thank you because it's true. It's true. And one day
you're on and one day you're off, and you know
it's really a practice. That's just it is a practice.
You have to do it in order for it to work. Garbyel,
Do you want to talk about overcoming stress by changing
that perception?

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Absolutely? Finally we're here, we are read realizing that stress
causes a lot of problems in the body, health problems,
wellbeing problems, and here we are how do we overcome stress? Well?
Changing our perception is one of the biggest factors in
stress management. Reminder that events around us do not cause stress,

(44:36):
but how we perceive things that trigger and what responds
that triggers. So perception is really about how we interpret
and understoodstand events and experiences. But they're limited to our
own past experiences and on what we know, so we

(44:58):
want to come more into heart focus and open up
to seeing things in a different way. So that way
we can at least, you know, if we can't let
go of the stress that we feel, at least we
can reduce it and we can maybe transform problems into
something more positive. They call it in here, looking at

(45:18):
problems as untransformed opportunities, and I like that and to mind,
when I was reading, that came to me. You know,
driving like you know, when a driver cuts you off
and you might get angry and upset, you know, what
else can you do? See it as an opportunity, as
an empowerment to be different, and you know, the answer

(45:38):
could be, well, I could be safer right now. I
don't know what's going on for that driver, but I
could be safer right now and keep a distance from
that car. So that's in my power. It will reduce
my stress straight away. So too basic causes of stress
are problems in perception and problems in communication, and that
is the communication between the herd and the head. Because

(46:01):
sometimes we are just in the head and that is
a very limited outcome for situations that we present ourselves with.
And it is really important too to look at all
the little stresses that happen in our day to day
life because they cause havoc in the body as well
as the of course, the big you know, the major

(46:23):
events where we feel grief or have the impact of trauma.
So here's the secret, you know, reducing managing stress through
increased coherence and change interception and then we can actually
go to an intuition and a bit more balance, and
we might be more flexible in how we react and

(46:45):
come to a place where we can actually respond, not
react in the moment when when we can't manage ourselves.
You know, what happens is that sometimes you might find
yourself that's thoughts bounce around in your head all day,
or the worries keep coming, and sometimes, like Marianne said

(47:06):
that it's kind of locked into the nervous system because
we've done it for so long, it just keeps going.
But with what we're learning in this book, we can
learn to reduce the impact and the frequency. We often,
you know, sit on other shoulds, I should do that,
I have to that, and that gets a lot of pressure.

(47:27):
We doubt ourselves. So if we perceive things differently, for example,
with shoulds and has comes to my mind is saying,
can I change that into I want to do that
because you know it has an outcome for me that
will make me happy. So eventually, if that keeps going
on though these little stresses and the big stresses, our
body will shut down and something will happen. You know,

(47:49):
often people I'll see it gets sick because the body
and the mind just need a break. So let's bring
our head and our heart and sync and you know,
for once stress early. Learn how to notice when we're
getting stressed. Learn also how we react and transform that

(48:10):
into responding with changing our perception. You know, we want
to be able to manage our behaviors, our words, our feelings,
and observe our emotional states so we can change them
into a more positive one. So like anger, for example,
could just be a real sadness that the outcome is
not how we want. It's important to do the hard

(48:33):
focus and just stop our destructive behaviors to reduce stress
so our overall health is improved and we can be
more creative and feel more in control of how we
respond to live events.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Oh thank you. It really does. This whole chapter talking
about the risks of this incoherence and then what we
can do. I mean really making the point that we
can change this, We can change this for ourselves. So
we're going to go around with everybody as we're getting

(49:11):
close to the end of our time and just kind
of talk about key points to remember and for me
in this chapter, one of the key points for me
is the fact that the events themselves don't do anything.
It's our perception and the way that we handle them,

(49:33):
the way we manage them, that is what is key
and important. And we can allow these to become stressful
and chronic, or we can learn and again, as Loa said,
there's many modalities, but we can learn how to manage

(49:54):
and how to bring ourselves back into a coherence. It
doesn't have the impact on the body where it brings
us into a lack of balance and illness. So those
are a couple of the things that I wanted to
bring out. And Eloid, do you have any of the

(50:16):
key points that you would like to summarize.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Something can be done about it. I think that's a
key part that I got in the information that's come
through from so many sources and other people's sharing of
case studies, and as we heard from Marianne today, as
well and applying it to myself. Something can be done
about chronic stress, Something can be done about feelings that

(50:47):
go on and on that are negative. Something can be
done about stress in a particular moment. And I think
that's just to know that is often a big part
of things, and then to apply them will be the
next step. But the application as simple as taking that

(51:08):
breath consciously.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
In any moment.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Is it for.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
People who can is the start? And cut in on yourself,
cut in on yourself and recognize if you're doing the
repeat of a story you no longer want to live with.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Thank you. How about you, Marianne, Do you have any
points you want to review?

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I think the main thing is that positive emotions creates coherence,
and for us, that's where we put our attention and
our focus. So if we're not enjoying ourselves and we're
not having fun, we're not being creative, we're not being spontaneous,
you know, Like, if we're focusing and honing in on

(51:58):
what's not there, what's the life lacking, what's not right,
then you can pretty much guarantee our nervous systems and
our heartbreak coherence is going to be out of whack
and where we put our attention ease up to us.
Ultimately we're here, grandmother shares a lot with us is
that we're here to train the brain, the mind child,

(52:21):
and we can teach it and so we can teach
it how to focus, and that's on all good things.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I love that, and I don't think people realize that.
You know, as a baby, we didn't have any training
in our brain. We received training, so in some cases
it's a it's a releasing and relearning all over again too.
So and of course we picked that up through patterns
and our families and what we've seen and what we've learned.

(52:53):
It doesn't even have to be in words. It's through
the experiences that we've had. So this is a great
opportunity for us to really learn how to take things
into the right framework and really live and listen to
our heart. And how about you, Gabrielle, do you have
something that you would like to summarize in the key points? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Look, what stood out for me is really the fact
that stress accumulates in the body over years, and it's
all the little stresses as well, not those big impact
events in our lives. And you know, stress doesn't just
flow through us. It stays and especially like for example,
when hormones are created, they stay in the system for

(53:37):
a long time. While it may just be in one situation,
they stay in the system and do what they're doing
for a long time. So wellue our health and well being,
it's really important to see how we can recognize that
we're stressed and with that, you know, I feel the
time is now to be really mindful, be mindful in

(53:59):
every moment and of what's going on in your body,
awareness of your feelings, of your own behaviors, what you're
about to do, you know, so you can maybe stop yourself.
Can you change your perception about how you see things,
how you see people and make it more positive?

Speaker 4 (54:16):
You know?

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Can you stop yourself from reacting and present a response
that has a different outcome that makes you feel better.
So it's really about for me, being mindful, stopping yourself
many times a day and saying, what is going on
for me? How do I best deal with that? Yes,
I'm stressed, that's okay, But how do I reduce that stress?

(54:38):
And do I actually need to express myself the way
I initially wanted to? Yeah, lots of mindfulness oh.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Thank you. There is one other point that I thought
of that it said when a system is coherent, virtually
no energy is wasted because it's called components are operating
in sync. And that's the other piece. It's like we
wear ourselves out. We get so tired when we're stressing
about things, and we spend all this energy on stuff,

(55:10):
stories from the past, stories from the future, things that
may or may not matter, and we just tire ourselves
out where if we're really in flow, solutions come, creativity comes.
Things don't seem to be that big. So that's kind
of a I think it's really important because we're only

(55:31):
here for a short period of time and we want
to make our time count while we're here. So we
have another manitor too. Does anyone else have anything they
would like to add?

Speaker 4 (55:42):
I do. This is Marian from Melbourne, Australia. I just
really love the knowledge that the heart is just like
this wise counsel that we have with us all the time,
and that we can access it and it speaks to us.
It's not just that it it's not just a feeling
of intuition. Like I applied some of their practices that

(56:03):
the heart math are teaching in this book, and I
heard words like, I heard messages like. It wasn't simply
a matter of this vague feeling. No, it's like a
consciousness that talks to us. So, you know, for so
many people feeling lost and disconnected, there's this wise counsel
that is within. And I think it's time we stop

(56:25):
looking outside ourselves for the solution and start going inside
ourselves to meet the powerful being that's there that's just
finding all these different ways to be communicating with us.
But it can't get through, it can't override our free
will or our lack of focus on it. If I've

(56:46):
learned anything from Grandmother, it's to stop and just ask
and just tune into our inner world, into our inner self.
And I feel heart math are giving us the science
behind that, as well as the massive reminder that we
are way more than the brain in the head, and
we are we have wise counsel with us at all times.

(57:10):
It's just a matter of accessing it.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Oh wonderful, Thank you for sharing that. And Gabrielle, I
see you waving.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
Yeah, just when Marianne was talking, I thought, you know,
it is so important to learn to get to know ourselves.
Really well and acknowledge that our needs and our values
are really important and they get so easily pushed aside
if we live a stressful life and go for one
thing to the other, you know, maybe only stopping in
the evening. And it can be achieved by doing the

(57:40):
heart breath only. There's other practices that we will learn,
but the heart breath is just focusing on the heart,
breathing in and out through the heart, and just that
in a few seconds is amazingly calming. And you know,
I personally can feel that how my busy mind slows
right down and just opens up to do other things.

(58:03):
And then you might even notice what you need in
that moment is that's not fulfilled, you know, and you
may be able to act on it, and that will
feel really good. So get to know yourself no matter
what comes up. You know, it's you. It's true you,
the authentic you, and that's a beautiful thing to know
and to act upon.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Oh thank you so much for that. And alway, do
you have a last comment? That one would be.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
To breathe, Just to breathe through your heart, just have
a moment, imagine breeding from your heart, because I reckon
experience can speak a lot more than words.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Oh lovely. It's funny when when the heart intelligence comes out,
when we're feeling that, we're just automatically drawn to kind
of put our hand on our heart, you know, it's
like when that emotion comes, it's like ah. And as
you guys have been talking, I'm finding myself going, ah,

(59:04):
so nice, So appreciate every one of you. We're coming
to the end of our show today, so again we
just coover chapter three in the Heartmouth Solution, and as
we move on next week and hopefully grandmother Parisha will
be with us next week, we're going to cover chapters

(59:24):
four and five. So if you have the book, and
I highly encourage you to get the book and do
these practices, just read ahead to four and five. And
right now it's time for us to conclude our studies
for today. And we are so grateful that you take

(59:45):
the time out of your life to be with us
and to learn with us and to share the information
with us. Remember that you matter and that you count.
So we invite you to join us again next week
as we learn, as we jump into more of this
amazing information about ourselves and our lives, and we want

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