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September 29, 2025 56 mins
Pa'Ris'Ha and her international panel of Co-hosts discuss chapter two of "The Heartmath Solution" by Doc Childre and Howard Martin, with Donna Beech.
Understanding how our thoughts, feelings and emotions influence our physical can lead to consciously engaging the heart's intelligence to balance mind, body and emotions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
You will be delighted by what you learn and you
will be excited by the results. Are you ready to
take the quantum Leap? Here's Parisha.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Welcome to Quantum Lead book Club. We're here with my
co host and that would be people from just about
everywhere that something's happening, and I'm your host this week
and I'm perishing. We are talking and working with the
book breaking the Habits of being Yourself, and we're coming
to the conclusion of that. So we haven't quite determined

(01:00):
where we're going to be going from this book. We
may even start this book over again because we have
many requests to do.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Once I talked to the co host and we see
where we're at with that, we will then make that consideration. Tonight,
we're going to actually discuss what we're doing and how
much of how often we have actually taught from this
book that we've picked it up, and how much is
actually part of our life, and sharing some of the

(01:30):
outcome along the way. We're going to actually work from
the back of the book. So I'm going to ask
my co host to please let people know whereabouts in
the book what pages you're actually working from, so that
they can actually follow us. We have had quite a
few requests from you, our listeners. It says you would

(01:50):
like to know exactly in what part of the book
we're talking when we're talking, And what I want to
say to that is, we're not actually reading, are following
verbatim what the pages are. We're actually sharing with you
our own perception of our own experiences with it and
where we're at what we have learned. Many of us

(02:14):
have been working with Joe Despens's material for many years
in our particular careers and professions, so we have got
a little bit more experience in data of our own
that we like to speak from. So following on the
page means pretty much just taking the subject matter of

(02:34):
that particular section of the book and discussing it. So
just to make sure that you understand that and don't
expect that we're reading along. Some of you are referencing
to a time in the beginning of our particular show
where we did do that. We were doing that and
we found that it wasn't making the listeners happy and

(02:54):
it was kind of hard for them to actually understand
exactly where we were trying to go with that. So
this way everyone seems to be much happier. We're going
to work with that. One of the things that I
want to say before I get the co host talking,
is that Joe has a fantastic program and he's been

(03:16):
obviously having global success with it. Professional people that I
know who have actually taken this book very serious and
work with it have rave reviews of how their company,
how their families, how their relationships, how their own personal
life of health and wealth has actually benefited from it.

(03:38):
So it isn't just a book for people to start
that have not actually been in metaphysics or some other study,
but it is one that whether you are where you
are or where you want to go, okay, that it
would will benefit you. I find that if you do
the practices and take yourself very serious. And what do

(03:59):
I mean that, I mean start actually valuing yourself for
being far more than you are. That you will find
that no matter where you're at in your life and
what's going on, you will benefit from things you have
yet seen and learned. I've been doing this work and
in personal growth work and Settle teaching and everything else

(04:20):
for over sixty five years, and I can tell you
I can read this book and every time I have
read it and taught from it, which is a good
maybe six to eight times, I see something else. It's
a matter of where you're at in the moment and
where you have come and what's taking place with your
life that you actually begin to read from and work

(04:41):
from and what you're doing with it. So I want
to make sure that as we begin that you understand
that when we're coming to demonstrating and being transparent living
your new reality, and this would actually start us. And
let me look here, what would be on page two?
What is that to A to eighty nine? I think

(05:02):
it's to eighty nine, Yeah, to eighty nine. We want
you to go ahead and follow along with us, because
we're going to just cover the end of the book.
But when we do this, I need even the co
host to ask, you know, basically with each one of
their careers actually being in the depth of humanitarian work
and education, educating people to a greater value of themselves. Okay,

(05:28):
And when we're looking at this, I need you to
actually ask yourself, are you really doing this? One of
the things that I have been working with with a
lot of other scientists and self help people is how
much material we have out there. We don't need another book,
We don't need someone to author another book. We need
someone to help people have workbooks and things that keeps

(05:52):
them on target. Okay, because then you have your little schedule.
Unless you're working and living out of a journal, you're
not doing this because our lives are so complicated, our
situation in the world today is so much in turmoil.
To actually have that peaceful state where you can actually

(06:12):
keep up with your practices, journaling is your answer. And
in the journaling you have to see how candid your
being with yourself. I feel. In this closing chapter, Joe
comes right to the point of asking you, are you
doing it or are you not? Are you pretending or
are you finding the results? And I love how clear
and very direct he does it. Plus he's always shared

(06:35):
in all of his teaching, he himself in his own
particular pathway of learning. And I want us to do
a lot of that today because if you're doing this,
then you're on top of everything in the world that
you want. That means health, that means wealth, and it
definitely means happiness. Okay, so we're going to start with

(06:56):
Maria in Florida. Mario, would you like to share with
us what you got out of what you read in
this chapter?

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Well?

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Yes, this In reading this final chapter for me, it
was kind of like coming like the icing on the cake.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
I just love in this chapter how he has just put.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
Everything together and really painted a picture in this chapter
so clearly of.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
What is really what is really.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Available to us. Reading this book for me has really
been a journey. It's not my first time reading this book,
but you know, whether it was I was ready in
my life to just begin to fully embrace and just
make the changes in my life that I needed to
make and just listening to the you know, just paying

(07:56):
attention to the material.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
That Joe has really outline in this entire book.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
He finishes this book with you know the fact of
being transparent, and I can share from my own personal
experience and and a goal in my life has always
been to be transparent, and yet I never knew really
how to do that, you know. And throughout the chapters
in this book, he's really given us a way to

(08:24):
come to that, you know. And he said one of
the things he said is transparency is a.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
State of true empowerment and in which.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
You have finally realized your dream of personal transformation. And
while I'm still a work in progress, it's still evolving.
I'm not one hundred percent complete, I'm I'm evolving.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
I am starting to see the results.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
I can really begin to say that I'm coming into
a part of myself that really is the new self.
And he talks a lot in this chapter, you know,
not just in the beginning pages that I had to cover,
but the freedom and the joy that begins to happen
to that. And I know that to you, all the

(09:14):
listeners that are out there, if you picked up this book,
it's because something in your life wasn't working like mine.
In my life, something wasn't working, something didn't fit right.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
In applying.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
And in these particular first pages he does reiterate the
importance of repetition and that habit, as grandmother Parish was
talking about just doing the practices every day, because you
have to.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Just unmemorize all those old.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Patterns and that old being that we've been and I
had been, and begin to incorporate that new self and
how you begin to live that in your everyday life.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
And the doors that it just begins to open.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
Recently, I had an opportunity to overcome one of my
greatest obstacles and to go on a trip that I
almost dropped out of. And the question that I asked
myself when I came up with my resistances was how
is that breaking the habit of being my old self?

Speaker 5 (10:28):
And my answer to that was no, I'm not giving in.
And as a result of not giving into those.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Old tapes, a whole new realization and a whole new
world has opened up to me. So it is about
breaking those old habits and starting to bring that new
self and becoming transparent again, which has really been the

(10:57):
incredible journey for me with working with this material. Once again,
it's a book that I think you don't you can't
just read once or twice. There's so much that can
is available to us that he is bringing up here
in this book and finalizing in this last chapter with

(11:21):
such I don't know. For me, it was just such
beauty how he brings everything together of just really what
we are capable of if we just pay attention to
the inner part of ourselves.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
That's good, very very good to appreciate that. And one
of the things I want to say is, because we
started out here into eighty nine, is there is a
paragraph that I really want to make sure that you
highlight if you've got your books, and it says your
environment is no longer controlling how you think and feel.

(11:58):
How you think and feel controlling your environment. Okay, So
when you're measuring how successful are you being with who
you are, I want you to make sure that you're
keeping that little note somewhere in your phone or on
a little piece of paper you're keep in your book
or whatever, to actually ask yourself, are you seeing the

(12:21):
environmental that totally corresponds with what you want to live
and where you're at, because if not, you have to
polish up things a little bit more. Okay, And so
we'll go to our next speaker at this point, and
I think that's sterile dena. I don't have the list
in front of me.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
So yes, okay, exactly correct, And for the listeners to
know where we are, it's page two hundred and ninety
in our book, and it really opens with demonstrating which
is living as the new you? So k point here
and it does definite relates to what has just been

(13:01):
shared as well with what you shared is is your
external environment different? And I'd like to just take that
step before if it's not different, are you noticing that
it's not your ideal? Because what I found through this
breaking habit of being yourself is sometimes there's a timing

(13:23):
of being more uncomfortable. The things that used to be
okay and not even stand out now feel off. It
might be having gone to a social situation and normally
the night might feel really good, you have good conversations,
but then afterwards it's like, hmmm, you know, I was

(13:44):
I trying to talk?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Most?

Speaker 7 (13:46):
Was I trying to listen? Most there's something that starts unpacking.
That's when you then know, okay, is there a different
me that I'd rather be? And this is from earlier
in the book too, where it's talking about what's the
facade of yourself that you put up. So when this
talks about living as the new You, there's a lot
of journaling that can be done to know what that

(14:06):
new you looks like. Sometimes, as they say, if we're
going to build a new house, if we're starting with
our old house and just putting extensions on, it's not
as good as a brand new house. So this gives
us the ability to really design ourselves from the beginning.
And that's what I've been finding. There's some parts of

(14:26):
my old house that really just need to completely level
and put to the side, stop trying to patch on.
So that's a big part for me of living as
the new You. Because this is Quantum Leak book Club,
We're talking about a quantum leak. We're not talking about
an extension or a renovation of you. So when you
go through these pages and it says live as the

(14:50):
new You, that's not live as a little bit different.
That's live as the new You. So as I mentioned
some parts of me, I've noticed those parts of the
house don't fit anymore. And I think Maria said that
as well. That's an uncomfortable feeling. We know from biology

(15:10):
that everything in our body is trained to keep us
the same, whether it's beneficial for.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Us or not.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
The body does a marvelous thing that says, this is
what we're used to. It's called homeostasis, which means stasis
is a level and homeo is the same. It's designed.
The body is designed to keep us at the same level.
Knowing that is so important because then we know it's
okay to feel uncomfortable. And Maria said that she felt uncomfortable.

(15:38):
She stated the decision this is going to be different,
and I'll do it. So my part for readers when
you're going through this to demonstrate living as the new
You make it as quantum as you can. And in
the words of from Mother Parisher, one doubt and you're out.
I think this is also a big part that I've

(15:59):
been experiencing. I will put something out there and either
it works marvelously, and it does and it's like, oh gee,
that happened. Don't get too excited, because you want this
to be normal. And that's what the next part of
the book says. It says, demonstrate to be it all day,
So go around living it. That it's perfectly ordinary that

(16:22):
somebody gives you a good contract. It's perfectly ordinary. That
your ex husband is very nice to you. It's perfectly ordinary.
That the person who is going to fix the cast
is absolutely and we can come and pick it up
for you. That's ordinary in your world because that's how
it flows. And looking forward to the feedback. So say,
for example, you did have that meeting and it didn't

(16:43):
go so well, then you can go, what was my
role in that? Not was oh, he obviously hasn't changed.
What was my role in that? And knowing that, you go,
I'm the script writer. I can redo it. So the
key parts of these pages two ninety two live us

(17:06):
the new You practice it all day long, look forward
to the feedback, and then when you get that feed back,
know that you are still the script writer. Not to
feel bad with yourself and say, oh, look I stuffed
it up. Say interesting, I'm still catching that. I'm going

(17:26):
to do a retake.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It's real good. That's real exciting too. I'm very happy
at this point that you are pointing out the repetition
and yeah, I do say one missing You're out, okay.
Joe stresses not so much in this book as he
does in some of the other books, and especially when
you attend his workshop's life. Okay, how important it is

(17:51):
to restart Okay, you can't just miss like if you
actually fall off practice, you can't pick it up. You
have to start over, okay. And it is that repetition
that finally burns that neuron. Remember that everything, every practice
that you're reading here is actually you restructuring your brain network.

(18:13):
This is you resetting your neuronet. Okay. And unless you
reset that, nothing's going to work in the outer experience
of that the environment. Okay. So know that one of
the things that you've pointed out very clearly here, Geraldine,
is that, yes, we do have to do the repetitions.
And if it gets old, so what keep doing it

(18:35):
till you find the success that you want. Okay, thank
you ver much. And it was exciting what you shared.
Thank you for that as well, Rose Marie. So there
you sit in Frankfurt, Germany. You want to pick it
up from there?

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yes, well, I'm actually picking up a page two ninety
four and ninety three to ninety four, no up cages
to ninety two, sorry to ninety four on the bottom.
So I like this little practical things he's sharing in

(19:09):
that part, which is how do I stay awake?

Speaker 3 (19:13):
How do I stay conscious?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Major struggle with how do I stay awake during the
day and stay in that state of being. I create
my meditation. So he's saying these little practical things like
when I take a shower, I can do my gratitude
for the day, and when I drive in the car,
I can stay remind myself to be joyous. Basically, I

(19:36):
remind myself to sing in the carter. I do a lot,
and I can take a break to remind myself who
I want to be, maybe when I have lunch, and
also when I see a certain person, maybe I have
a meeting with someone, I remind myself that I allowing
them to be open to be who they are, not

(19:57):
what I think of them out of the past one,
especially in relationship, making it a fresh new side who
is a person. So there's a create your own little activities,
your rituals during the day, implant them when you're when
you're brushing your tea. So when you do something regularly,

(20:17):
include include the reminder of staying conscious. And then of
course at the end of the day, we we need
to review and I usually avoid that because I had
to look at my mistakes and I have to look
at the places where where I failed I did avoid
in the in the past, and now I'm actually excited

(20:40):
about hearing that the end of the day, I can
be really having looking at the reactions from my old self.
I can look at I can look at it as
an observer. I don't have to judge myself. I'm like
a Mary Mary I said, I'm a worker crossic I
mean evolution, and I mentally, mentally rehearse the situation, what

(21:05):
emotions are present, and be the observer what emotion was
present that moment where where I thought I failed, I
got off my state of being. So at the end
of the day, it's time to write out my little
victories and my little failures and look at them. I
can rehearse it.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
To which you make a change.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
And the other part is talking about transparency. And I
like the idea of them that this work is allowing
me to show my true colors, to show the light
to who I am because it has been restricted by
all these past conditions and thoughts and habits. And he's

(21:45):
saying very clearly, and you're transparent, your inner cell shines
into your auto reality and makes that happen, not the
other way around. And I sing Mariasha that before too,
and sheeralding we make it happen or inner cell, the
imaginal realm is more important than the reality out there,
Brandmother Paj said once and I kept that deeply in

(22:08):
my mind. It is happening in the immaginal realm inside
of you. That's where the reality happened. And he's called
talking about transparency. So we are not this, We are
not these programs. We are pure consciousness and that comes
shining through more and more when we do the work.
And I had a major brace so in a project

(22:31):
I was holding off for many years and it was
really bothering me, and this work made it maybe possible
for me to do it in three days. I was
not even able to think about I can do this
in three days. And what happened was I let go
of all the drama around it and the emotion and
the judgment around it and.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Just did it.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Just did it. And why I did it. I was swift.
I usually is slow when I do things. I was swift.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I was really clear, I was.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Focused, and there was no past interfering into this. And
this is a taste of being, having the state of
new being and the new state of being, and at
the end of the day, it is important that you
realize you are always evolving. Don't judge yourself, and I'm

(23:22):
not going to judge myself if there's a little misstep
during the day.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Thank you no real good because on those particular pages,
Joe actually gives you a little outline of questions that
you want to ask at the end of your day.
What I'm hearing and what I've seen.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Is get it.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I get a lot of people that'll tell me, oh,
this stuff is just too involved and I don't have
time for all of this and everything, and I mean
it sounds a little crazy, right. You don't like where
you're at, but you don't want to talk about where
you could change. So but people do get themselves in
that place. And Joe actually has ended the day questions.
Like I said, if you start living through I mean,

(24:03):
as young people, we usually like diaries. You know, we
would write all our dramas out and all that other
stuff and then read it. You know, who we're in
love with today and who we break up with next
month or whatever we had those Well, the journal replaces
that and allows you to see your growth. And I

(24:23):
really would say to all of you get put with
your journal, put these questions in it, and that's how
you want to end your day. You want to start
a routine that allows your brain to pick it up
so that after a while you're not dependent on the pages.
But don't let you know, don't try to be the
tough guy here. Depend on those pages as long as

(24:43):
you need them, because then it becomes part of you, okay,
And then you start seeing this ongoingness of life. I
have come in my time to actually understand the truth
and living in the unknown. I've shared over the years
many times how I used to have my day runner,
and I mean, I would, you know, line my schedule up.

(25:04):
But even in business, I still have this happening. And
and you know, in a business you have to have
some kind of professional positioning of maintaining communications and timely
events and everything. It doesn't work for me. It really
doesn't work for me. I just simply in any state anymore,

(25:24):
I just say okay. People will say, okay, what about
a conference or a call at two o'clock? Sure, you know,
if it's this, if it's that, whatever, And I'm finding
how it just happens. Somebody actually brought it to me
and said, you know, you scheduled three things in the
same one hour appointment. And I told her, well, we'll

(25:46):
see who calls. And she just looked at me and
she goes what and I says, we'll see who calls.
And so she just said, so you don't care, and
I said, no, the universal, how have it happened? And
sure enough, the time come up and only one of
those three appointments was on time, and we had the conference,
and then the other one called in to apologize for

(26:09):
forgetting or something, and we had that call. And then
the third person called and said, well, I actually got
confused between it being your zone and my time zone
and everything else, so we had all three calls. I
know that may sound far stretching for some of you,
but that's my life, that's the world, and that's what

(26:30):
it means by being in the unknown. Do the best
you can. Just do the best you can, like Rosemary said,
don't be judging yourself. Just do the best you can
and watch how everything picks the rest up for you.
I mean, I realize that what I dedicate myself is
to the most important priorities of my day, meaning whoever

(26:53):
urgently needs that time more than maybe some other whatever.
But I let I let a much higher level of
intelligence determine that, and it works well. So do this
repetitive stuff that we need to do to get that
neuron up there working for us. And that would be
put these particular questions at the end of your day.

(27:16):
Be finished with it, don't you know. Don't look at
something say oh my god, this went very bad today
and blah blah blah blah blah. No, whatever it did,
you've learned something, especially if you're calling it bad. Okay,
you've learned something that's hurting a little bit. So you
know different now, and now when you go back to
having the same situation come up, you've got more intelligence.

(27:40):
Life is a university if it's anything, And I don't
care what age and what point you start. The road
to self discovery is the holiest trip and the most
sacred of things you will ever do. You want to
give it time. You want to listen and see how
many things you can change and make perfect and what

(28:01):
you want and how you want it, because that's what
you are. This is all about you, and it's all
about the particular that we are as human beings. Something
that has yet to be described, something so holy and
sacred in itself that it will birth itself continually. And

(28:26):
even when you have reached a plateau to where there's
great satisfaction, you will see how much more you look
into that opens the universe itself to you. It is
you that makes this worth it. It is you that
Joe takes this time to say, take a look at it.

(28:46):
You are this magnificent being. Let's just get some of
the clutter out of the way. Okay. So that's where
we go with it, because that's who we are. We
are this perfectly created being. It's gotten kind of caught
up in the particular streams and the variations of life
that we've involved ourselves in. But you can make it.

(29:09):
We're here with you, and we are assuring you we
will help you make it. Now, I'm going to go
over and we're going to let Joyce in Arizona actually
share with us her a little bit here. Joyce.

Speaker 8 (29:22):
Yes, the section that I was looking at continues on
looking at what it means to be transparent. So I
want to share some of the thoughts that went through
me today studying this, because being transparent to me means
being real and I hadn't really thought through the fact

(29:42):
that being transparent means I have to be transparent to
myself to start with, I have to stop hiding. I
love the word facade that he uses in this chapter.
To let go of my facade and be who I
really am. An experience that I had this week that
was really profound for me. I was facing an job

(30:05):
interview that I truly wanted to do well at, and
so I started my day with my journal and a pen,
and I wrote, and I wrote, well, I was totally delighted.
I guess it's the best word, because I started to
create something on paper of what I wanted to be
when I went to that interview. So I wrote that

(30:27):
a lot of that out and then one of the
amazing side effects of that exercise was I started thinking
of the people that are great deal in my life,
and I started seeing things about every one of them
that I hadn't allowed myself. So I sat down and
wrote the meats of letter, and there was such a

(30:51):
sense of release and freedom in allowing myself to go
through that exercise. So I realized reading again this chapter
I have the first time I read it. Joe's examples
were ones that I wanted. They all sounded so beautiful,

(31:12):
so powerful. I wanted those examples. Well, this whole topic
of transparency, I have to be transparent to who and
what I am, not what doctor Joe has experienced. So
this gave me a much larger view of what my
journey is and what my journey is continuing to be.

(31:35):
And he definitely gives at the end of this particular
part an example a statement to make to myself or
to yourself, whoever wants to do this idea just at
the end of a meditation, so that you cement the
progress that you have made towards becoming transparent.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
So it's pretty exciting, Joyce. Can you share what that is?

Speaker 8 (32:06):
To share the actual wording that he gives.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yes, if you have that, can you do that?

Speaker 8 (32:11):
I sure can. It's right on the last page of
this transference.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I think it's a very very special thing. It is.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
He says, Now close your eyes, and that's powerful already
because that gets you into the blackness, become aware that
there is an intelligence that is within you and all
around you. It makes me shiver those words, Remember that
it is real. Contemplate that this consciousness is noticing you.

(32:44):
And is aware of your intentions. Recall that it is
a creator that exists beyond space and time, that there's
another whole paragraph you want it. In your journey past
the cravings of the body and the nuances of the
ego mind, you have made it to this final step.

(33:06):
So if in fact this consciousness is real and it exists,
ask for a sign to let you know that you
made contact with it. Say to the Creator, if I
emulated you in any way as a creator today, send
me a signal in the form of feedback in my
world to let me know that you were noticing my

(33:27):
efforts and bring.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
It in a way that I least expect.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
This is a neat part of it that wakes me
up from this dream and leaves no doubt that has
come from you, so that I am inspired to do
this again tomorrow. And as Gerald Deane spoke, this is
the quantum world that we're in, and so it's the
unknown is what we're going for. It's not something that

(33:53):
we're already familiar with.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
It's already there. We just have to into it. And
that's so beautiful action allowing ourselves to talk to ourselves
in a sacred way, to allow that communication with the body,
mind and the observer. To have the trying of that

(34:16):
is so very powerful. So at the end of meditations,
it's just not a matter of coming back into the
environment of wherever you're meditating, but to actually have that
conversation and know that you're talking to that intelligence. I
agree with you, Joyce that when I even go into

(34:39):
making motion of call recalling that there is this presence
and I am so aware of it, that I feel
so loved in those moments and that everything is so
right no matter what circumstances I'm dealing with, I just
know that everything is just all right. Getting in touch

(35:00):
with that is what most of these practices are doing
a lot of them are helping you actually learn to
focus and move forward. And I want to comment right
before I forget it in the closing, but what I
have found in working with people who have some severe
situations with memory and add and ADHD and all of

(35:22):
the particular people that deal with that, that once we
start working and actually made a little manual of how
Joe lists the various practices of actually getting ourselves into
focus and framework of becoming all that we can be, Okay,
it began to help them. It gave them something to

(35:43):
actually use, to actually start using their own journal. I
didn't call it the workbook. I called it their journal.
And they loved that, okay, and that they could go
to that little book and keep themselves on time and
involved and finished and have completions. So it's fantastic. Regardless
of what's your reason for coming to it, it'll still

(36:06):
take you to exactly what you said, Joyce. It'll take
you to always knowing that it's there, it being that
presence is there, and it sends all the good things
that you need to see from the unknown. And we
want to now go over and let Trina. Trina, you
are traveling, I understand what you're making some Wi Fi time.

Speaker 9 (36:28):
Huh I am. I mean Gulf Shores, Alabama. I haven't
been here before. It's actually quite lovely and the people
are just fabulous. Yeah, and it's a lot warmer than
Denver I hear today. So anyway, what you were just saying.
Between Joyce and you, I've started getting really sort of emotional.

(36:51):
So I'm feeling I'm like, oh my gosh, this happens,
and it's really true. When he talks about this, It's
really true. That when you ask for the signs, when
you and I usually say okay, show me breadcrumbs, kind
of like Hansel and Gretel or whatever. But give me
the bread crumbs because if you give me a sign,

(37:14):
I'll follow the sign. And the more I ask for
the signs to come through, the more I'm given signs,
which is really amazing. But when you ask, you just
need to be aware because, like he said in the
book on I think when ninety seven, sometimes it's startling.
Sometimes you have no idea, and I shared this in

(37:36):
a text. But to the principle people, my name is Canuller,
which means Raven. And so I was asking for a
sign whether I needed to go to a certain place,
if I was to involve farms, whatever was going on.
And I walk out of this building and here's a

(37:58):
big truck with Ravencroft on it, and I went, WHOA.
And I didn't know what Kraft meant, so I look
up croft and Kraft meant farm. So it told me
that I'm supposed to go to the farm. And of
all of all things, why would a big truck go
driving by? Because I asked for the sign, you know,

(38:20):
give me a little help here and I just know
that Creator is there and that I am a co creator,
and that my relationship. The stronger it gets with Creator,
then the more miracles start happening. So I love that
he brings this into the book and says, ask, just ask,

(38:43):
because it's going to come to you if you just ask.
The other piece that was really wonderful in these pages
in two ninety seven and two ninety eight, which is
like the end of chapter fourteen, it's called the ultimate Experiment,
and so the all from an experiment really is a
way of shifting your perspective to life. You're having an experiment.

(39:08):
You're becoming the scientist, You're becoming the adventurer, the explorer,
and instead of life just being something you get up
and you do something every day or whatever you go
to work, it's like all of a sudden, you get
up in the morning, it's like, what can I create today?
Or what questions can I ask? Or where can I go?
And what kind of adventure is going to show up

(39:29):
for me? And so he's saying a couple things in
this that it's important to understand you have a relationship
with this higher consciousness and that you're affecting the things
that are happening with you, and the emotion of the
things that happen to you. It's like it just revs
you up and takes you to the next place. And

(39:51):
even when I find myself and I can't say I
don't go backwards. Sometimes what appears to be backwards to me,
where you know, old stuff starts coming up, or I
start doubting myself. All I have to do is either
go back in my journal and read again and go, oh, yeah,
this happened, or just remember something that happened, and it
helps me get back on track again and start all over.

(40:13):
So thisic scientists and explore you have to think about it.
When they're going out there, they're really creating a hypothesis
or saying, well, I think this is going to happen,
or I'm going to go look for this or whatever.
But the questions are always there, and they're always looking
for the answers. They're always looking for something to come

(40:34):
to them, and this is something. There was a piece
in this chapter that I loved that said, you know,
our purpose here isn't to please God or be like
anybody else or copy somebody or whatever. It really is
about creating the pieces that are ours. It's to get
rid of all of these boxes that we've created around ourselves,

(40:56):
get rid of all this stuff and then allow this
amazing creativity or these little Aha moments to happen, or
the ideas to come through. And when I talk to people,
I was just blessed to be able to speak at
a convention and I talk about the difference between you know,

(41:17):
some of these great people, people like Steve Jobs or
John Lennon, or Einstein or Oprah Winfrey or even this
is a cleaning convention, so I bring in Missus Bissel,
who created a vacuum cleaner because she didn't want to
clean her house the same way. But the difference between

(41:38):
these people and us is the fact that there's some
of us. Is the fact that they get their ideas,
they ask for them, but they also take action, and
that's giving creator feedback again that we want more. So
it's like, move on what you're given and give great
appreciation for what comes through, and take action on it

(42:01):
and reach further. Always stay in the question, expecting those
miracles and pondering the things. One another thing I love
to share with them is to take the look around
the room and everything that they see in the room begin.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
With a thought.

Speaker 9 (42:19):
So if it began with a thought or began with
an idea and it was created, how come you know
what's really stopping you from taking your thoughts and your ideas.
And that's what doctor Joe is saying to us is
create the life you want, create the pieces that you want,
and use those thoughts or those ideas. I especially love

(42:39):
the ones, as he said, that come in unexpectedly that
I'm not thinking about and they show up and I go,
there's one, there's another one, you know, and then you
take action on it. So the questions are what's really
possible and what can I do? And how can I
share in this world in this lifetime to make it

(43:00):
a better place for humanity, the planet, for peace. Whatever
it is that drives you from your soul, it's only
limited by the questions they ask. That's what he says,
and it's like, it's true. You just stay in the question,
ask the questions and ask for guidance and then act
on it when it comes.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I think asking is some of the traps that we
set for ourselves because it's in the wording that the
brain does its kind of a little offsetting of what
we can do, because when I get a lot of feedback,
and I know with you listeners will hear all that
we're saying and say, oh, yeah, yeah, well you know

(43:42):
I'm doing that. Nothing's happening, you know. And listen, we've
all been there. We've all been there. This is not
our virgin trip on that at all. Okay, So what
we're saying and what the point is is in the asking,
you also have to hear how it's being said. This
is where journaling is so so important that when you

(44:04):
write it out, if you've actually written it out in
a negative manner or a dispersing manner. Now what do
I mean by that? I'm going to use example that
Trina you just used. I would never ask is this possible?
I would never ask that. So if you're starting out
asking and you say, well, if this is possible, could

(44:26):
I know, first thing the could I needs to be
out of there, and if it's possible, needs to be
out of there. Learn that the less wording that we use,
in fact, even in the way you talk and share,
learn to be in the transparent, very very candid and
very well spoken. Get to the point you know you

(44:48):
don't have to go off and all the whatever is.
Just get to the point and learn how fast that
begins to make the reality change where you do start
seeing evidence. Okay. So it's how you are wording what
you're asking for, and there is no if it'll come
when you ask, There is no if. Okay, it comes.

(45:11):
It is the science, it is the quantum feel it
is real. Okay, It's the only reality, all right. Everything
else is the illusion, even the fact that you believe
that you don't get what you want. Okay, it's a
matter of asking it and knowing that there's more working
for you. When I teach a lot, I tell people

(45:34):
that when you're writing out your vision and everything, you
never want to ask how okay, because then all of
the insane practicality you call it sets in, like I
don't have enough money, I don't know, I don't this,
I don't I don't I don't. So you just erased.
You've taken all of that, and you've changed the whole atmosphere.

(45:56):
This open space that you think is empty is filled,
is filled with neurons, filled with electrons that make up
whatever the reality is that you think is physically there. Okay,
it's filled right now, conversations that you are going to

(46:17):
have within the next maybe four three to four minutes
has already taken place. By the time it gets to you,
it has delayed reaction. We can go into a lab
and I can prove this to you, okay. So where
you're at and what you're thinking, okay, is actually what's
going to happen next. So as you think, you create,

(46:39):
and that's what Joe's message is here, as you think
you create, will begin to actually control what are the
kind of words and what kind of language are you thinking?
And that's what you're going to have to change because
asking happens in the universe and in the world that
we live in. It's it's hard to have people tell

(47:01):
you what that's just an illusion when you know you
can go over knock on it because it's wood, okay,
But we're saying it's there because, as Trena explained, somebody
had a thought and created whatever's in this space time
and you have the ability should you so choose to
participate in it, and you will participate in what catches

(47:24):
your attention that there's so so much more in that
time space. And when you realize that, you get cell phone,
you know, go to some things that give you a
little bit more insight. You know, there's no wires, there's
nothing plugged in the wall, your phone rings. Okay, where

(47:46):
did that connection happen in that open empty space that
you say, is there? No, that connection was just as
clear as what your language and words are when you
speak them in to that space time. So if you
just take the words of the asking and you look
at how you're asking and making sure that the asking

(48:09):
that you're doing is affirming, and look up the word
if you don't understand it. But to say you affirm
something is to say it is so okay. It's the
difference between a postulate and a goal. When you postulate something,
you say it is, it's already there. Okay. When you
have a goal, you're reaching out and hoping and you're

(48:31):
planning long distance time space in order to get it.
I don't teach that, but some people do. Okay. So
in order to get those neurons working, look at how
you're talking, what kind of words and way do you
say things that actually it's going to summons it in,
it's declaring it, so it's commanding it to be. And

(48:55):
some people have a problem with that for a while,
but until you can say it is and command it,
so it's not going to come. So the asking in
itself is almost a trial and trial and practice period
of time that you want to do in order to
see things show up. In what I live is the unknown.

(49:16):
I don't do any of that. I don't ask for
the signs or anything. They just come. Whatever's going to
be there. Everything is a sign to me. I don't
care if it's that I change my breathing pattern. It
has become a sign. So everything around me is signing. Okay.
One of the things today is actually we're working with
a very tremendous challenge. It's actually come up in my

(49:39):
life and I was had little and I realized that
as I'm moving through everything else, this is still hanging
on and kind of nagging at me, and if I
really give it attention, I'm realizing it's bringing me down.
And so it's like, Okay, I feel like I'm running
through the day to get things done just to avoid this.

(50:00):
And at this point in time, is this really something
that I need and necessarily have to deal with? And
it was at that point just saying that out there,
I've come to expect it. I don't even focus on
the trying anymore. It's just there. And immediately what showed
up at my window was a little hummingbird. He's the

(50:21):
little guy that works with me here. He comes and
gets in my face and we have actually developed this
trust of where he hangs around with me when I'm
out in the sanctuary. And he come to the window
and he was just hovering there looking in at me,
and I said, oh, a warrior. Fantastic, you know. And
I went outside to see if he was out there,

(50:42):
and he wasn't anywhere to be seen. And it was
in that moment I said, it would be so beautiful
for you to come now and confirm what I just
decided was the message. Pop. He was there in a
split second, okay, And he hovered, he ran around me
a few times. He actually come back down and hung

(51:03):
around in front of me a second or two, and
then he was off. So I had the validation and
everything that I need there. This is that divine presence
that is there. It is us that is of that presence.
We go into looking back in our history and ancient

(51:25):
sites and everything, and I'm pretty big and spend time
in that This goes beyond that, This goes beyond any
of that, and that presence is what we are. It's
how we come to be the expression of it. For you,
to value yourself is the most important thing that will

(51:50):
ever happen in your life. Is to love oneself is
to accept that you are of divine or that your
very reason to be has purpose, your very existence is
needed to take the respond with ability of that will

(52:17):
bring you happiness that you could never put in work.
And that's what we hope for you. And that's that's
why we pick the books that we pick. It that
we want you to understand you exist in the quantum
field and there isn't anything impossible. All is real and
if you can do that, then you will be flying

(52:38):
on the same particular wave and vibration as the rest
of us. And we look forward to that. To those
of you who have actually left many many messages, I
have been out of checking in on that so over
the last three four days and looking at that, there
was just just more than I could possibly get to.

(52:59):
So if your fee feeling a little left out, or
you don't feel that we have kind of talked to
whatever your questions or your desire was, you may want
to resend those messages so that I can get them, because,
like I said, after being involved in everything in our
trip to Great Britain and Norway and then getting back
here and dealing with the pile of stuff that I mean,

(53:21):
I hit the ground and had to take off on
the list of things that were urgent needed to be done.
So it's not that I don't don't have time for you,
it's that time sometimes gets bottled necked. Okay, So please
take time and rewrite your questions or your thoughts and
let me know if there was something that you truly
would like spoken to, Okay, because we could do that.

(53:44):
You're that important to us, and we will be looking
at another new book. Rosemary had made a suggestion a
week or so ago, something by Talbot, and you may
want to bring that back on our little thread that
we share, Rosemary, so that we can look at that.
But for those of you, what I did to look

(54:04):
at and I went through pretty much about seventy five
or eighty of the messages you were asking if we
could actually go over this again, meaning the book. I
don't have a problem with that. Like I said, my
book's pretty well worn I use a lot in many
classes and everything. But yeah, we can look at that

(54:26):
and maybe and some of you are saying, can we
give you lessons? For some of you, I don't understand
what you meant by lessons, but those of you that
you gave better description or detail a lot, you're actually
saying for us to give you assignments from week to week.

(54:47):
So it would I'm hearing that come as sort of
a classroom, that you want us to go through the
book as a classroom and actually give assignments and things
out of that to look at. I don't have a
problem with that. I will talk to my co host
about that, But in doing that, I would need to
let you know I would not just dwell on Joe's books.

(55:09):
To do that. To read Joe's books and talk to
those pages on the show is one thing, But if
we're going to actually start like a classroom situation with that,
I would want to bring in the many other reflections
that actually is very supportive to what Joe's doing, some
a little different, but in the same manner and way.

(55:31):
It all comes to be what it is. So we
will look at that and then get back to you, Okay,
And Meanwhile, you stay healthy and become as wealthy as
you want and understand happiness is self respect, self worth,
self love. We'll see you next week. Thank you for
joining us, oh see.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Thank you for listening to Quantum Leak Book Club. For
more information where you can contact us, go to lay
Radio network dot com. Forward slash, quantum hyphen leap have
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