October 18, 2025 • 14 mins
On this episode of Pillow Talk with Alii Michelle, Alii calls out racist, antisemitic white nationalist Nick Fuentes and his attempt to elevate himself as a representative of the conservative and America First movements.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now this is the FCB podcast Network. This is pillow
Talk with Ellie Michelle on the podcast Network. Welcome back
(00:23):
to another episode of pillow Talk with Ellie Michelle. I
am your host, Ali Michelle.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
H So, we have a very interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Topic to talk about today. Uh so, uh, let's just
roll right into it. His name is You may hate
him or you may love him. Nick Fuentes m that one. Now, listen.
I'm all about strong opinions and free speech, as you
all know. But there's a difference between being bold and
being belligerent, between waking people up and just yelling into
(00:53):
a mic because you just like the sound of your
own voice. Yeah, this dude, he's loud, he's obnoxious, and
he's out here pushing hate like it's his merch. So
today we're diving in who he really is, what he's
been saying, and why this kind of energy is not
helping the conservative movement. It is hurting. Grab your ice,
(01:13):
coffee or whatever keeps you calm, because we are about
to unpack this all right, So quick history lesson. Nick
Fuentes born in nineteen ninety eight. Internet streamer calls himself
quote American first cute slogan until you you dig into that.
(01:33):
He runs with what's called the Grouper movement, basically an
online pack of far right trolls who thinks they're saving
conservatism by turning it into a purity test for who's
quote white enough or Christian enough.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, yeah, I know right.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He used to do live streams, got banned shocker YouTube
on YouTube, then popped up on Rumble, where he brags
my show is blowing up more viewers than ever now
apparently y'all. His podcast hit number one on Apple Conservative Charts,
which is fine. People are curious, but fame does not
(02:12):
equal wisdom. Sometimes it just means the Internet rewarded the
loudest kid in class for flipping his stinking desks. Yeah,
you know. And it's not enough to say someone is extreme,
we have to show it with evidence. In his public
statements and broadcasts, Nick Fuent has has repeatedly crossed the
(02:34):
lines into hateful and dangerous speech. And I collected a few,
so he said quote holy war threats and death penalty language.
Fluent has has advocated for violence against Jews, including calling
for a holy war against them that was combatic anti
Semitism movement. In one broadcast, he's his quote death penalty
(02:56):
call for Jewish people.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
In one broadcast, his quote death penalty called for Jewish
people was widely criticized as beyond the pale Apple podcasts.
That's what he said, and then he said blaming Jews
for the political outcomes. He has said that quote Jews
stood in the way of overturning Roe. V wade I
was on Wikipedia. He has claimed that Roe was reversed
(03:24):
or was. He claimed that when Roe was reversed, that
he would re enableing, banning, gay marriage, sodomy, contraceptives, presenting
a worldwide our worldview where underdoing undoing Roe is a
springboard for sweeping social control tied to his anti semitism,
(03:46):
semitism anti anti Semitic framing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Also Wikipedia. He's used demeaning language towards.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Women, minorities, the minority group LGBTQ. He said things like
women should just shut up, black people belong in prison,
and gay marriage should be outlawed. So yeah, he seems
like a nice, awesome person to follow in the conservative movement,
(04:18):
which I might add that's not conservative, that.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Is just hate dressed up in a suit.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He even attended a dinner at mar A Lago with
Trump and Kanye, and that's when everyone in the room went.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Wait a minute, who let this guy in? Who let
him in?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Here?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Out?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The Department of Justice has identified him as a white supremacist,
PBS and PR, s PLC, ADL, every watchdog has receipts.
This man isn't controversial. He is very toxic. He uses
religion and patriotism as a shield to spew division. And
you know, I call out, I call out both sides.
(04:56):
But I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that this
talk is just an opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And and you know when when people get called those
specific words and names, it's it's it needs to hold ground.
We've used it and overly expressed it too many times
that it's just not holding water anymore. And that's unfair
because people like Nick Buontes needs to be called out.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He's a loud mouth.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He has the same tactics and the same let's call
attitude as the far left Democrat liberal crowd. Heck, even
like Antifa when they're screaming in people's faces, that's Nick
just hiding behind a camera and a microphone.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't want to claim him as a conservative in
the conservative movement because our movement is bigger. Just like Charlie,
he had conversations. Nick can't have conversations from watching his
clips and his videos and studying and researching him, he
just can't have a conversation without the same attacks that
far leftists do to fellow conservatives. He just does it
(06:01):
loudly and calls himself conservative, which I don't like. I
don't agree with him. I think he should actually not
even have a platform. But I'm not trying to take
away anyone's right to speech, but he needs to be
held accountable in some sort of way. When he's calling
for like calling for Vine. It's quite dangerous actually for
the things that he's saying. And younger people who are
angry latch on to someone like Nick Foyentts because he
(06:25):
is younger and he has that attitude of an eighteen
year old boy at a frat house.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, he just he's somebody.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't want to follow, or somebody I don't want
to represent the conservative movement. And for him to be
number one for everyone to listen to, I think is
utterly dangerous. When there's people out here trying to make
a difference. Charlie was trying to make a difference. He
did make a difference, and then Nick is quite literally
crapping on the conservative movement with what he says in
(06:54):
his in his episodes and his streams and his platforms.
I mean, you know again, I'm all for freedom of speech,
but you need to be responsible.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Our rights come with responsibilities, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And also why his style fails, Yelling Nick doesn't make
you right. It absolutely does not make you right. When
someone's entire brand is rage, you have to ask what
are they building? Because tearing people down is not leadership. Nick,
I'm sorry to tell you. I'm a mom, so I'm
gonna talk to you as my child's do an act
like one. When you tear people down, that's not leadership.
(07:36):
Normal thinking conservatives like myself, people who actually love their
country and care about families, safety, and economy. They're not
sitting around saying, you know what will fix America more
racial slurs, that'll fix it, that'll handle everything. Let's get
down to business and just create more more division. Because
(07:57):
I'm angry and I can't control my mouth my temper.
So uh, the reason so many of us push back
on fent test. Is it because we hate free speech,
It's because we actually love it. We want our message
to land, to reach people who disagree and make them think,
and not make them roll their eyes and turn.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Out tune out. Nick.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
That's what you were doing, Nick, is quite literally making
people roll their eyes and safety. I told you conservatives
are like this, told you nothing. You weren't wrong, after all,
we want to be right and we want to make
this country better. And honestly, the shouting the hate all
caps energy, it's giving uh angry teenager with the Wi
(08:39):
Fi pass with the Wi Fi pastors, not leadership or movement. Nick,
you need to reevaluate your tactics there. If I was
talking to you as a big sister or a mom,
you definitely got to fix yourself, wreck your check yourself
before you wreck yourself. That's the saying, right. Uh So, so,
(09:00):
how do we handle voices like his without becoming just
as loud as ugly. I've kind of collected a few
things within the last few days. We lead with facts.
Let's start with that. We have to lead absolute facts.
When someone quotes Frantis, hit him with receipts kind of
like actually he called for a holy war against Jews.
You really want to defend that, That's like something you
(09:21):
can think about. Keep your cool, always, always keep your cool,
even if you're upset. As conservatives, we don't scream back,
we don't call names, we don't we don't.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
We handle our our movement.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
With grace despite all the noise, because right righteousness always wins, you, guys,
always always wins.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's hard. It's a hard task not to scream. Trust me,
I get it, but we have to. And also don't lump.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
All conservatives with extremists just because Nick is very extreme
and very loud. We can't feed into that narrative. We
have to prove the media wrong that Nick doesn't represent us,
he represents himself and his own agenda. And lastly, offer
a better vision, one where we're one, where we're being
(10:18):
American first, means taking care of all Americans, our kids,
our families, our faith, and our freedoms without scapegoating anyone.
Because strength isn't value. It's conviction with compassion, guys, it
is conviction with compassion. So a quick little recap on
(10:38):
my take on Nick Fuantez, and I'm not telling you
how to think about him, I'm just giving you the facts.
But he has crossed the line repeatedly, and he has
slipped into hateful and dangerous speech.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
He's just he.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Has to grow up. He has a little bit of
growing up to do. And we don't want to amplify
and we don't want to feed into the egotistical, uh
frat boy energy. We want somebody who handles things with grace.
And I know a lot of people didn't always agree
with how with what Charlie said a lot, but he
did handle his conversations with grace. He didn't scream at you.
(11:15):
He he definitely listened. And Nick fuent As is not
the one to take the shoes. Nobody could ever replace
Charlie Kirk, Nobody could ever fill his shoes. But to
glorify and to give somebody a platform as vile as
Nick with his his vocabulary and the way he decides
to approach other Americans, other our pharaalel Americans are friends,
(11:38):
our loved ones, people that we truly care about, is wrong.
And and you know, Nick might be topping the charts
right now, but loud doesn't mean you're right. If anything,
it means he's tapping into frustration that real leaders need
to handle better. It looks I'll never knock somebody for
(11:59):
speaking their mind, but if their mind is full of hate, expect.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
People to call you out.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Like me, we can be bold without being bullied, we
can fight for truth without forgetting grace. And I'm not alrighteous,
Holy mighty me, I'm just calling out the bullshit. I'm
sick of having to listen to people that are like him,
who just who, who are giving our movement a bad
(12:25):
name all the while my videos are being sheltered or
shadow band and not pushed out, all the while Nick's
vile rhetoric is being.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Just flaunted to the world.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You want to know what I think there's I think
there's a method behind that, because I think the media
wants to show that actually conservatives are extreme and we're not.
There's extreme on both sides, and Nick quite frankly is
on the far far far extreme right. He just he
can't figure out how to really express his emotions without
causing division. And that's just my outlook. Again, I'm not
(12:59):
telling you how to think. I'm not telling I'm just
giving you my opinion and and and how I would
approach him or somebody who who feels the way he
you know about like they like him, and then hit
you with some things like I just think we need
to we need to back up, We need to we
need to pump the brakes, we need to reevaluate, we
need to scope the scope the area and and see
(13:22):
who we actually really want to listen to to represent
our movement.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And I personally do not think Nick Nick does us
justice at all.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Uh So, so if you learn something today, share this
episode with a friend who might not know who who
has really is because education beats echo chambers every time.
And remember, if we're gonna talk politics, at least add
a little bit of lip loss. So and that's what
I have for you today. I'm Alian Michelle. Please don't
forget to share this to your lovers, your haters. Yeah,
(13:52):
even send it to Nick if you like. And with that,
I will see y'all on the next one Populator the
Kick timber Ker Kick timber Cler
Now this is the FCB podcast Network. This is pillow
Talk with Ellie Michelle on the podcast Network. Welcome back
(00:23):
to another episode of pillow Talk with Ellie Michelle. I
am your host, Ali Michelle.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
H So, we have a very interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Topic to talk about today. Uh so, uh, let's just
roll right into it. His name is You may hate
him or you may love him. Nick Fuentes m that one. Now, listen.
I'm all about strong opinions and free speech, as you
all know. But there's a difference between being bold and
being belligerent, between waking people up and just yelling into
(00:53):
a mic because you just like the sound of your
own voice. Yeah, this dude, he's loud, he's obnoxious, and
he's out here pushing hate like it's his merch. So
today we're diving in who he really is, what he's
been saying, and why this kind of energy is not
helping the conservative movement. It is hurting. Grab your ice,
(01:13):
coffee or whatever keeps you calm, because we are about
to unpack this all right, So quick history lesson. Nick
Fuentes born in nineteen ninety eight. Internet streamer calls himself
quote American first cute slogan until you you dig into that.
(01:33):
He runs with what's called the Grouper movement, basically an
online pack of far right trolls who thinks they're saving
conservatism by turning it into a purity test for who's
quote white enough or Christian enough.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, yeah, I know right.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He used to do live streams, got banned shocker YouTube
on YouTube, then popped up on Rumble, where he brags
my show is blowing up more viewers than ever now
apparently y'all. His podcast hit number one on Apple Conservative Charts,
which is fine. People are curious, but fame does not
(02:12):
equal wisdom. Sometimes it just means the Internet rewarded the
loudest kid in class for flipping his stinking desks. Yeah,
you know. And it's not enough to say someone is extreme,
we have to show it with evidence. In his public
statements and broadcasts, Nick Fuent has has repeatedly crossed the
(02:34):
lines into hateful and dangerous speech. And I collected a few,
so he said quote holy war threats and death penalty language.
Fluent has has advocated for violence against Jews, including calling
for a holy war against them that was combatic anti
Semitism movement. In one broadcast, he's his quote death penalty
(02:56):
call for Jewish people.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
In one broadcast, his quote death penalty called for Jewish
people was widely criticized as beyond the pale Apple podcasts.
That's what he said, and then he said blaming Jews
for the political outcomes. He has said that quote Jews
stood in the way of overturning Roe. V wade I
was on Wikipedia. He has claimed that Roe was reversed
(03:24):
or was. He claimed that when Roe was reversed, that
he would re enableing, banning, gay marriage, sodomy, contraceptives, presenting
a worldwide our worldview where underdoing undoing Roe is a
springboard for sweeping social control tied to his anti semitism,
(03:46):
semitism anti anti Semitic framing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Also Wikipedia. He's used demeaning language towards.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Women, minorities, the minority group LGBTQ. He said things like
women should just shut up, black people belong in prison,
and gay marriage should be outlawed. So yeah, he seems
like a nice, awesome person to follow in the conservative movement,
(04:18):
which I might add that's not conservative, that.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Is just hate dressed up in a suit.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He even attended a dinner at mar A Lago with
Trump and Kanye, and that's when everyone in the room went.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Wait a minute, who let this guy in? Who let
him in?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Here?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Out?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The Department of Justice has identified him as a white supremacist,
PBS and PR, s PLC, ADL, every watchdog has receipts.
This man isn't controversial. He is very toxic. He uses
religion and patriotism as a shield to spew division. And
you know, I call out, I call out both sides.
(04:56):
But I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that this
talk is just an opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And and you know when when people get called those
specific words and names, it's it's it needs to hold ground.
We've used it and overly expressed it too many times
that it's just not holding water anymore. And that's unfair
because people like Nick Buontes needs to be called out.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He's a loud mouth.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He has the same tactics and the same let's call
attitude as the far left Democrat liberal crowd. Heck, even
like Antifa when they're screaming in people's faces, that's Nick
just hiding behind a camera and a microphone.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't want to claim him as a conservative in
the conservative movement because our movement is bigger. Just like Charlie,
he had conversations. Nick can't have conversations from watching his
clips and his videos and studying and researching him, he
just can't have a conversation without the same attacks that
far leftists do to fellow conservatives. He just does it
(06:01):
loudly and calls himself conservative, which I don't like. I
don't agree with him. I think he should actually not
even have a platform. But I'm not trying to take
away anyone's right to speech, but he needs to be
held accountable in some sort of way. When he's calling
for like calling for Vine. It's quite dangerous actually for
the things that he's saying. And younger people who are
angry latch on to someone like Nick Foyentts because he
(06:25):
is younger and he has that attitude of an eighteen
year old boy at a frat house.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, he just he's somebody.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't want to follow, or somebody I don't want
to represent the conservative movement. And for him to be
number one for everyone to listen to, I think is
utterly dangerous. When there's people out here trying to make
a difference. Charlie was trying to make a difference. He
did make a difference, and then Nick is quite literally
crapping on the conservative movement with what he says in
(06:54):
his in his episodes and his streams and his platforms.
I mean, you know again, I'm all for freedom of speech,
but you need to be responsible.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Our rights come with responsibilities, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And also why his style fails, Yelling Nick doesn't make
you right. It absolutely does not make you right. When
someone's entire brand is rage, you have to ask what
are they building? Because tearing people down is not leadership. Nick,
I'm sorry to tell you. I'm a mom, so I'm
gonna talk to you as my child's do an act
like one. When you tear people down, that's not leadership.
(07:36):
Normal thinking conservatives like myself, people who actually love their
country and care about families, safety, and economy. They're not
sitting around saying, you know what will fix America more
racial slurs, that'll fix it, that'll handle everything. Let's get
down to business and just create more more division. Because
(07:57):
I'm angry and I can't control my mouth my temper.
So uh, the reason so many of us push back
on fent test. Is it because we hate free speech,
It's because we actually love it. We want our message
to land, to reach people who disagree and make them think,
and not make them roll their eyes and turn.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Out tune out. Nick.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
That's what you were doing, Nick, is quite literally making
people roll their eyes and safety. I told you conservatives
are like this, told you nothing. You weren't wrong, after all,
we want to be right and we want to make
this country better. And honestly, the shouting the hate all
caps energy, it's giving uh angry teenager with the Wi
(08:39):
Fi pass with the Wi Fi pastors, not leadership or movement. Nick,
you need to reevaluate your tactics there. If I was
talking to you as a big sister or a mom,
you definitely got to fix yourself, wreck your check yourself
before you wreck yourself. That's the saying, right. Uh So, so,
(09:00):
how do we handle voices like his without becoming just
as loud as ugly. I've kind of collected a few
things within the last few days. We lead with facts.
Let's start with that. We have to lead absolute facts.
When someone quotes Frantis, hit him with receipts kind of
like actually he called for a holy war against Jews.
You really want to defend that, That's like something you
(09:21):
can think about. Keep your cool, always, always keep your cool,
even if you're upset. As conservatives, we don't scream back,
we don't call names, we don't we don't.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
We handle our our movement.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
With grace despite all the noise, because right righteousness always wins, you, guys,
always always wins.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's hard. It's a hard task not to scream. Trust me,
I get it, but we have to. And also don't lump.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
All conservatives with extremists just because Nick is very extreme
and very loud. We can't feed into that narrative. We
have to prove the media wrong that Nick doesn't represent us,
he represents himself and his own agenda. And lastly, offer
a better vision, one where we're one, where we're being
(10:18):
American first, means taking care of all Americans, our kids,
our families, our faith, and our freedoms without scapegoating anyone.
Because strength isn't value. It's conviction with compassion, guys, it
is conviction with compassion. So a quick little recap on
(10:38):
my take on Nick Fuantez, and I'm not telling you
how to think about him, I'm just giving you the facts.
But he has crossed the line repeatedly, and he has
slipped into hateful and dangerous speech.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
He's just he.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Has to grow up. He has a little bit of
growing up to do. And we don't want to amplify
and we don't want to feed into the egotistical, uh
frat boy energy. We want somebody who handles things with grace.
And I know a lot of people didn't always agree
with how with what Charlie said a lot, but he
did handle his conversations with grace. He didn't scream at you.
(11:15):
He he definitely listened. And Nick fuent As is not
the one to take the shoes. Nobody could ever replace
Charlie Kirk, Nobody could ever fill his shoes. But to
glorify and to give somebody a platform as vile as
Nick with his his vocabulary and the way he decides
to approach other Americans, other our pharaalel Americans are friends,
(11:38):
our loved ones, people that we truly care about, is wrong.
And and you know, Nick might be topping the charts
right now, but loud doesn't mean you're right. If anything,
it means he's tapping into frustration that real leaders need
to handle better. It looks I'll never knock somebody for
(11:59):
speaking their mind, but if their mind is full of hate, expect.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
People to call you out.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Like me, we can be bold without being bullied, we
can fight for truth without forgetting grace. And I'm not alrighteous,
Holy mighty me, I'm just calling out the bullshit. I'm
sick of having to listen to people that are like him,
who just who, who are giving our movement a bad
(12:25):
name all the while my videos are being sheltered or
shadow band and not pushed out, all the while Nick's
vile rhetoric is being.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Just flaunted to the world.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You want to know what I think there's I think
there's a method behind that, because I think the media
wants to show that actually conservatives are extreme and we're not.
There's extreme on both sides, and Nick quite frankly is
on the far far far extreme right. He just he
can't figure out how to really express his emotions without
causing division. And that's just my outlook. Again, I'm not
(12:59):
telling you how to think. I'm not telling I'm just
giving you my opinion and and and how I would
approach him or somebody who who feels the way he
you know about like they like him, and then hit
you with some things like I just think we need
to we need to back up, We need to we
need to pump the brakes, we need to reevaluate, we
need to scope the scope the area and and see
(13:22):
who we actually really want to listen to to represent
our movement.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And I personally do not think Nick Nick does us
justice at all.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Uh So, so if you learn something today, share this
episode with a friend who might not know who who
has really is because education beats echo chambers every time.
And remember, if we're gonna talk politics, at least add
a little bit of lip loss. So and that's what
I have for you today. I'm Alian Michelle. Please don't
forget to share this to your lovers, your haters. Yeah,
(13:52):
even send it to Nick if you like. And with that,
I will see y'all on the next one Populator the
Kick timber Ker Kick timber Cler
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