Former President Bush Was Briefed on 1964 Alien Contact — And Was Told He “Lacked Clearance”

A new documentary features testimony from a Pentagon scientist who claims George H.W. Bush privately confirmed to him that alien beings made face-to-face contact with military personnel at a New Mexico air base in 1964 — and that even after serving as CIA Director and President, Bush was told he didn’t have clearance to know more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
A new documentary features testimony from a Pentagon scientist who
claims George H. W. Bush privately confirmed to him that
alien beings made face to face contact with military personnel
at a New Mexico air base in nineteen sixty four,
and that even after serving as CIA Director and president,
Bush was told he didn't have clearance to know any

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more than that, I'm Darren Marler and this is weird
dark news. George Herbert Walker Bush had one of the
most remarkable resumes in American political history. He flew torpedo
bombers in World War Two and got shot down over
the Pacific. He ran a central intelligence agency during one
of its most turbulent periods. He served eight years as

(00:55):
Vice president under Ronald Reagan, and then he spent four
years as the most powerful person on the planet, the
forty first president of the United States. If anyone should
have had access to America's deepest secrets, it was George H. W. Bush.
The man had seen classified material that had make most
intelligence officers headspin. He'd been briefed on covert operations, nuclear protocols,

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and matters of national security that remain classified to this day.
According to testimony in a documentary that dropped on Amazon
Prime recently. When Bush asked for more details about an
alleged nineteen sixty four encounter between military personnel and a
non human being at a New Mexico air base, someone
told him. No. Somebody told a former CIA director and

(01:42):
former president of the United States that he lacked the
proper clearance. That is either one of the most extraordinary
claims ever made about government secrecy or its complete nonsense.
The documentary making this claim features enough credentialed officials that
it is worth examining. Either way. The person making this

(02:03):
claim is in some anonymous source or UFO enthusiast posting
videos from his basement. Doctor Eric Davis holds a PhD
in astrophysics from the University of Arizona. His research areas
include breakthrough propulsion, physics for interstellar flight, quantum field theory,
and space propulsion, the kind of cutting edge theoretical work

(02:23):
that sounds like science fiction but gets published in peer
review journals. He's a fellow with a British Interplanetary Society
and an Associate Fellow of the American Institute of Aeronautics
and Astronautics. More relevant to this story, Davis served as
a scientific advisor to something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program a TIP for short, from two thousand and

(02:45):
seven to twenty twelve. That was the Pentagon's quietly funded
effort to investigate UFO reports, or UAPs as they are
now called unidentified anomalist phenomena because apparently UFO had too
much cultural baggage, operated under the Defense Intelligence Agency with
twenty two million dollars in funding, and most people didn't

(03:05):
know it existed until The New York Times broke the
story in twenty seventeen. Davis appears in the Age of Disclosure,
a documentary directed by Dan Farra that premiered on Avazon
Prime on November twenty first, twenty twenty five. In that documentary,
Davis describes private conversations he says that he had with
former President Bush in two thousand and three, about a

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decade after Bush left the White House. According to Davis,
Bush described a nineteen sixty four incident in which three
unidentified spacecraft approached Holloman Air Force Base in Otero County,
New Mexico. Holloman sits in the Tolerosa Basin, not far
from White Sands Missile Range, an area that's been at
the center of American aerospace and weapons testing since the

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Manhattan Project. One of them layded on the tarmac and
a non human entity deboarded the craft that landed and
interacted with uniformed Air Force and civilian CIA personnel. Davis
said in the documentary, that's a remarkable claim on its own,
a former Pentagon scientist saying that an extraterrestrial being stepped

(04:09):
off a spacecraft an American military base and had some
kind of interaction with military and intelligence personnel. Davis doesn't
go into detail about what that interaction involved, or what
the being looked like, or what it communicated, if anything.
The part that really stands out, though, comes next, and
when Bush asked for more details, Davis continued he was

(04:31):
told that he did not have a need to know.
To understand why that claim is so striking, consider just
how much George H. W. Bush should have known. Bush
served as Director of Central Intelligence from January nineteen seventy
six to January nineteen seventy seven. That's the top job
at the CIA, the person who oversees America's entire civilian

(04:54):
intelligence apparatus. He remains the only CIA director who went
on to become President of the United States. Before that,
Bush served as US Ambassador to the United Nations and
as the Chief US Envoy to China. He was a
congressman from Texas, and before any of that, he was
a decorated naval aviator who flew combat missions in the

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Pacific during World War II. The CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia,
is literally named after him. It's called the George Bush
Center for Intelligence. According to Davis, Bush wasn't present for
the alleged nineteen sixty four incident at Holloman. At that time,
Bush was in Texas getting his political career started. He

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ran unsuccessfully for Senate that year, so Bush would have
learned about the incident secondhand, presumably through whatever channels former
presidents and CIA directors use to learn about such things.
Davis says Bush told him about it in two thousand
and three. That was a decade after Bush left office
and nearly forty years after the alleged incident occurred. Even

(05:57):
with all those years of service, all those secure already clearances,
all that access to classified information, when Bush asked for
more details, someone apparently drew a line. Davis didn't describe
what the alien craft looked like. He didn't describe the beings.
He didn't provide any material evidence. The claim rests entirely
on his account of what Bush told him in a

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private conversation more than two decades ago. Bush died in
November twenty eighteen at the age of ninety four. He
can no longer confirm or deny anything. Davis isn't the
first person to claim something strange happened at Holloman Air
Force Base in the nineteen sixties. The story is circulated
in UFO research circles for more than fifty years. Back

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in nineteen seventy one, a writer named Robert Emmenecker was
allegedly promised footage of a nineteen sixty four landing at
Holloman while producing a documentary about UFOs. Emmenegger was working
with official Department of Defense and NASA source material, not
some independent production scrounging for whatever footage you could find.
According to Emmenegger, someone in the Middy terry told him

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actual film existed of a UFO landing at the base.
The resulting nineteen seventy four documentary, UFO's Past, Present, and Future,
was narrated by Rod Serling, the creator of the Twilight Zone,
and it included a dramatized version of what supposedly happened
at Holloman, not the actual footage Emmeneger was promised, but

(07:21):
our recreation. In the recreation, three unidentified objects are detected
approaching the base. The air Force sounds a red alert.
One of the crafts breaks away and attempts to land.
It hovers silently before touching down on extension pads. Air
Force officials and scientists waited outside as a panel opens
on the craft and beings emerge. Film historians have noted

(07:44):
that this Holoman landing sequence bears striking similarities to the
finale of Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind,
which came out three years later. Whether Spielberg was influenced
by the Emmeneger documentary, or whether both were drawing on
the same UFO lore is nobody has definitively answered. Various
accounts over the years have described the nineteen sixty four

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incident in more detail. According to some versions, three UFOs
flew into Holloman's airspace, were tracked on radar, and were
captured on film. One landed three humanoids with blue gray
complexions emerged wearing tight fitting flight suits. They were met
by the Air Force base commander and other officers. The
details shift depending on who's telling the story. Sometimes there

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are three beings. Sometimes the dates don't quite match up.
The promised footage that Emmenegger was allegedly told about has
never surfaced publicly. What makes the story in the Age
of Disclosure different isn't the Holloman account itself. It's who's
telling it and how they claim to have learned about it.
The Age of Disclosure premiered at the south By Southwest

(08:50):
Film Festival on March ninth, twenty twenty five, before its
wider release on November twenty first. It's available on Amazon
Prime Video, and it also had a limited theatrical run
in New York, Los Angeles, and Washington, d C. Enough
screenings to qualify for OSCAR consideration, though whether a UFO
documentary has any real shot at Academy recognition is another question.

(09:12):
Director Dan Farra spent years making the film, working largely
in secrecy. His previous credits include producing Steven Spielberg's Ready
Player one and the MTV fantasy series The Shanara Chronicles,
so he comes from mainstream Hollywood, not the UFO documentary subgenre.
My goal was to only interview people who had direct
knowledge of the UAP topic as a result of their

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work for the US government, Farah explained, and who would
share what they can legally disclose. The result is a
film that features thirty four US government, military and intelligence
community insiders, and they don't appear as anonymous silhouettes with
voice distortion, their people appearing on camera using their real names,
with their titles and credentials displayed on screen. The roster

(09:57):
includes current Secretary of State Marc Ruby, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand
of New York, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper,
and Jay Stratton, who ran the government's UAP Task Force.
Whatever anybody thinks about the subject matter, these are not
fringe figures. Every single person I interviewed made it very
clear that it was no longer a question of whether

(10:18):
this was a real situation. Pharah said, it is a
very real situation. In the documentary, Ruvio states, we've had
repeated instances of something operating in the airspace over restricted
nuclear facilities, and it's not ours, and we don't know
whose it is that alone deserves inquiry, deserves attention, deserves focus.
That's a sitting Secretary of State, albeit filmed before he

(10:41):
took that position, saying on camera that unidentified objects have
repeatedly violated airspace over American nuclear facilities, and that the
US government doesn't know what they are or who controls them.
The central claim of the Age of Disclosure goes beyond
any single incident at Holloman or anywhere else. The documentary

(11:01):
argues that there is a secret government operation what it
calls the Legacy Program, that's been retrieving crashed UAPs and
attempting to reverse engineer their technology for decades. According to
the film, this program is run by a consortium that
includes the CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy,
and private aerospace contractors. The structure is designed to keep

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the information compartmentalized to such an extreme degree that even
the people running the government don't have access. The documentary
claims that information about UAPs is distributed on a need
to know basis so restrictive that even the President of
the United States and the head of the CIA might
know nothing about it. Rubio addresses this directly in the film,

(11:45):
saying I think there is this assumption that presidents can
walk into the Oval office on day one and say,
all right, take me to Roswell, show me the alien bodies.
I want to see the video of the autopsy. I
want to see the whole thing, open it up. I
think I really is a naive understanding of how our
government works. He said, that is a remarkable statement from
somebody who has served on the Senate Intelligence Committee and

(12:07):
now runs the State Department. He's essentially saying that the
compartmentalization of this information, if it exists, is so complete
that the normal chance of command don't apply. The President
doesn't automatically get access, the CIA director doesn't automatically get access.
Even people who should be at the top of the
information pyramid find themselves locked out. This is the biggest

(12:31):
disinformation campaign in the history of the US government. Farah
stated clearly the facts around this topic have been covered
up for eighty years and kept from the public. Eric
Davis isn't the only scientist in the documentary making extraordinary claims.
The film features several researchers with impressive credentials who've apparely
concluded that something genuinely unexplained is going on. Al Puthoff

(12:56):
is a physicist who served as chief scientist for a TIP,
the same Pentagon program where Davis worked. Puffoff's background is
unusual even by the standards of UFO research. He holds
a PhD from Stanford and co founded the CIA's Remote
Viewing Research program at Stanford Research Institute in the nineteen seventies.
That was the government's attempt to investigate whether psychic phenomena

(13:18):
could be used for intelligence gathering. The program that ran
for two decades before being shut down. In the documentary,
Puffoff claims that the US government has recovered multiple types
of extraterrestrial beings over the years. The bodies recovered are
not all the same type, Puthof says, though he doesn't
go into detail about what those different types look like
or where they came from, continuing, whoever it is, they're

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here and they've been operating here for a long time.
Then there's Gary Nolan, and his credentials are harder to dismiss.
No Led holds the Ratchford and Karlada a Harris Professor
Endowed Chair in the Department of Pathology at Stanford University
School of Medicine. His primary research involves cancer and immunology.
He's published more than three three hundred research papers, holds

(14:02):
forty US patents, and has founded multiple biotechnology companies. It's
not somebody who's built his career on UFO claims. He
built it on mainstream medical research and then got pulled
into this topic. According to Nolan, representatives from the CIA
and an aerospace company brought military personnel to him for
medical evaluation. These were people who had allegedly come into

(14:23):
close contact with the UAPs and were suffering from health effects.
You didn't even have to be an MD to see
that there was a problem. Nolan said. Some of their
brains were horribly, horribly damaged. The injuries he describes include
severe burns and internal scarring that manifested I inside patient's brains.
Nolan says the brain damage resembled the white matter disease

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or scarring that occurs with multiple sclerosis, except it appeared
in people who had not been diagnosed with that condition.
Of approximately one hundred patients he examined, Nolan says about
a quarter died from their injuries. The majority had sent
that he described as basically identical to what's now called
Havana syndrome. The mysterious illness that has affected American diplomats

(15:07):
and intelligence officers in various countries. Mike Flaherty, a retired
US Navy and Air Force intelligence officer, appears in the
documentary claiming he experienced biological effects after direct exposure to
a craft. He doesn't go into extensive detail about what
those effects involved. Davis makes another claim in the documentary
that extends beyond American territory. According to Davis, in nineteen

(15:31):
eighty nine, the Soviet Union recovered four bodies of humanoid
aliens from a UAP craft site. The craft was described
as large and tic tac shaped, and Soviet personnel allegedly
discovered an advanced directed energy weapon at the site. It's
presented without physical evidence or documentation. It's Davis's claim about
what he's been told through Whatever Channel's Pentagon scientists, who

(15:54):
work on classified programs used to share information. The Soviet
Union collapsed two years after this alleged incident, and Russian
government archives from that era remain largely inaccessible to Western researchers.
The claim fits into a broader narrative that the documentary
presents that UAP crash retrievals aren't limited to the United States,

(16:15):
and that other major powers have been running their own
programs to recover and study this technology. According to the film,
since the nineteen forties, an ongoing race between China, Russia,
and the US has been driven by the discovery of
crashed UAPs, with each nation wanting to be the first
to reverse engineer the technology. The first country that cracks

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the code on this technology will be the leader for
years to come, says Jay Stratton in the film. JA
Stratton is probably the most significant official in the documentary
when it comes to direct involvement in government UAP programs.
His career represents something close to a continuous thread through
every major Pentagon effort to study this phenomenon. Over the

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past two decades. Stratton served as as Chief of Air
and Space Warfare at the Defense Intelligence Agency's Defense Warning Office.
It's a position that involves analyzing potential threats to American
air and space assets, exactly the kind of job where
reports of unidentified objects in controlled airspace would land on
your desk. He is the only individual to have worked

(17:18):
for asapp a TIP, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office
and the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force. Those are the
four main government programs that have investigated UAPs since the
late two thousands. If someone drew an organized chart of
official Pentagon UFO research, Stratton would appear on every iteration.

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Stratton built the UAP Task Force over two years at
the request of the Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence and
the Secretary of Defense. When the Secretary of Defense announced
the task force in twenty twenty, Stratton was named its
first director. His team included David Grush, the Air Force
veteran and intelligence officer who testified to Congress in July
twenty twenty three about alleged crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs.

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Grush's testimony generated headlines when he claimed under oath that
the US government possesses vehicles of non human origin. Stratton
has made his own direct claims in trusted circles. He
has stated, I have seen with my own eyes non
human craft and non human beings that is not hedged language,

(18:24):
that's not I've seen reports of or credible witnesses have
told me about. That is a senior intelligence official who
spent thirty two years in military and federal service, claiming
direct personal observation of non human technology and non human life.
In May twenty twenty five, Stratton posted a public statement

(18:44):
affirming that the FBI has taken UAPs seriously for years
and was one of his first partners when building the
UAP task Force. According to Stratton, the FBI actively supported
classified briefings to Congress and has remained involved in the investigation.
Before evaluating whether any of this is credible, it helps
to understand what the government has actually admitted to doing.

(19:08):
The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program began in two thousand
and seven with twenty two million dollars in funding. It
operated under the Defense Intelligence Agency. The program was initiated
by then Senate Majority of Leader Harry Reid of Nevada
at the urging of his friend Robert Bigelow, a billionaire
who made his fortune in the hotel industry and had
a well known interest in UFOs and paranormal research. Reid

(19:31):
got supported from Senators Ted Stevens of Alaska and Daniel
Lenoi of Hawaii. The Pentagon says a TIP ended in
twenty twelve after five years. People who worked on the
program have claimed it continued in some form under different
names and management structures. Davis himself said in earlier interviews
that the program never really shut down. In June twenty twenty,

(19:54):
the Pentagon acknowledged the existence of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon
Task Force, the program Stratton built and directed. Its existence
was revealed during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, so Congress
knew about it, or at least some members of Congress did. Today,
the government's official UFO investigation operates through something called the

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All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or ARROW. Senator Gillibrand created
ARROW in twenty twenty two to focus the Department of
Defense on sharing data about UAP sidings and to address
related national security concerns. Arrow's official position is that it
has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity
off world technology or objects that defy the known laws

(20:38):
of physics. That puts the government's official stance in direct
contradiction to what many of the officials in this documentary
are claiming. Either ARROW is wrong, or ARROW is lying,
or ARROW genuinely doesn't have access to the information these
officials claim exists, or the officials in the documentary are wrong.
The possibilities don't leave a lot of comfortable middle grade.

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Whatever anyone thinks about alien contact. The UAP topic has
gained a level of official attention that would have seemed
impossible a decade ago. The UAP Disclosure Act, sponsored by
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Senator Mike Rounds, passed
the Senate before being blocked by what supporters describe as
special interest groups. Now, legislation would a required disclosure of

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government information about UAPs and defined non human intelligence in
federal law. The term appears two dozen times in the
sixty four page bill. One of two things here are true,
Rubio has said about the whistleblower testimony he's received. Either
what he is saying is true or partially true, or
we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances

(21:44):
and very important positions in our government who are crazy
and leading us on a goose chase. Either one is
a problem. Rubio sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, he's
now Secretary of State. He's not treating this as a
fringe topic. Senator Gillibrand has pushing for transparency on UAPs
since he created ERO. In congressional testimony, she stated that

(22:06):
UAPs are frequently observed flying at extremely high or very
low speeds, then come in various sizes and shapes. Gillibrand
introduced to the amendment that created ARROW in the first place,
replacing a previous task force with a more robust office
that has access to Defense Department and Intelligence community data.
She chairs the Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities under

(22:27):
the Senate Armed Services Committee, which means UAP hearings fall
under her jurisdiction. While we have made progress, there remains
a stigma attached to these phenomena, Gillibrand said during a
Senate hearing. But because of the UFO stigma, the response
has been irresponsibly anemic and slow. The age of disclosure
hasn't exactly been a critical darling on Rotten Tomatoes, only

(22:50):
thirty percent of critics reviews are positive. Metacritic gave it
a score of forty five out of one hundred, which
the site categorizes as mixed or average reviews. Australian astrophysicist
Charles Lyneweaver didn't mince words. The film, he said, is
full of guys who are not scientists talking about an
issue that I think is very scientific, very very interesting,

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but it's just belowing. Joshua Senator, a professor of electrical engineering,
at Boston University served on the NASA Unidentified Anominalists Phenomena
Independent Study Team, so he is somebody who has actually
looked at this issue in an official scientific capacity. He
was skeptical of the film's central claims, saying I've seen
no evidence that the government has been hiding anything. Ultimately,

(23:33):
testimonies are simply not enough. They need to be backed
up with evidence. That's the fundamental problem with the documentary,
and it's one that Farah and his interview subjects don't
really solve. Everyone in the film is talking about classified
information they can't show. They're describing craft and beings and
programs that they insist are real, but they can't produce photographs, documents,

(23:56):
physical samples, or any other evidence that could be independently verified.
Ben Kennigsberg, writing for The New York Times, put it bluntly,
anyone who sits through its nearly two hours of unprovable
claims is a chump. The Guardian reviewer Adrian Horton took
a more measured view, calling the film the most serious
and sourced documentary on the government's handling of UAP information

(24:18):
to date, while also noting the lack of evidence provided
to support the claims that captures the strange position the
documentary occupies. On one hand, it features more credentialed officials
making more direct statements than any previous UFO documentary. On
the other hand, none of them can actually prove what
they're saying. Its argument from authority without the underlying evidence

(24:41):
that would normally accompany such authority. The documentary raises a
question that UFO researchers and skeptics have been arguing about
for decades. What would constitute sufficient evidence. If the US
government really has been retrieving crashed alien spacecraft since the
nineteen forties and study non human technology in classified programs,

(25:03):
then presumably there is physical evidence somewhere. There are materials,
there are documents, There are photographs and videos. There might
even be biological samples somewhere. Michael Schrmer, the publisher of
Skeptic magazine, reviewed the documentary and raised to this point directly,
if these events happened as reported, why weren't photographs, videos,

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or security camera footage included in the film. The documentary
uses artistic representations of hovering spaceships over military bases, but
if actual footage exists, as various officials have implied over
the years. None of it appears in the film. The
answer the documentary gives implicitly rather than explicitly, is that
this evidence exists but remains classified. The people speaking on

(25:48):
camera can describe what they have seen and what they know,
but they can't actually show it because doing so would
violate their security clearances and potentially land them in prison.
That is a frustrating position for anybody trying to evaluate
these claims. Either these officials are trustworthy based on their
credentials and their willingness to go on record, or they're not.

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There's no way to independently verify what they're saying. When
you hear elected leaders who have run for president or
have very significant roles in our government say that to
your face, it's pretty eye opening, Pharah said. Because they're
people who are aware of classified information, they could never share.
Their conclusion after being aware of the facts, is that
this is something that keeps them up at night. Not

(26:30):
everyone shares the critics skepticism. The documentary has found an
enthusiastic audience among people who've been following the UAP disclosure movement.
Podcaster Joe Rogan, whose show reaches millions of listeners posted
on social media, calling The Age of Disclosure one of
the best documentaries on the whole UFO phenomenon ever. He
described it as featuring high ranking government officials revealing the

(26:53):
truth about what they know about aliens, crashed craft retrieval programs,
and back engineering efforts that have been going on for decades.
The film also has received praise from other filmmakers. Academy
Award winning documentary and Brian Foegel called it an expertly
crafted and extraordinary film. Oliver Stone described it as monumental,
a once in a generational cultural flashpoint. The trailer alone

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racked up more than twenty million views when it was released.
That is not fringe interest. That is mainstream attention for
a topic that until recently was largely relegated to late
night cable programming and conspiracy theory websites. Whatever the truth
about Holloman Air Force Base in nineteen sixty four, or
the Legacy program, or any of these specific claims, in

(27:38):
this documentary, something is clearly shifted in how the UAP
topic is being treated in official Washington. A decade ago,
any member of Congress who talks seriously about UFOs risked
being dismissed as a crank. Today, the state majority leader
has sponsored legislation about non human intelligence. The Secretary of
State appears under documentary about alien contact. Multiple congressional hearings

(28:02):
have been held with witnesses testifying under oath about programs
they claim the government is hiding. The Pentagon is officially
acknowledged running programs to investigate UAPs. The government has released
videos of unidentified objects encountered by military pilots. Former officials
with decades a service and high security clearances are going

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on record with claims that would have ended careers not
long ago. None of this proves that aliens have visited Earth,
or that the government has recovered crashed spacecraft, or that
George H. W. Bush was really told about a nineteen
sixty four encounter at Holloman. But it does suggest that
something is happening, either a genuine move toward disclosure or

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an elaborate deception, or a collective delusion affecting an unusual
number of otherwise credible people. I think this film puts
us in a different place, Parah told reporters. It sets
the table for a president to step to the microphone
and more comfortably tell all of humanity, that we're not
alone in the universe. Whether that day comes, and whether

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there's anything to actually disclose remains to be seen. The
Age of Disclosure is available on Amazon Prime Video for
rental or purchase, and if you're interested, I also narrated
a book called The Rungs of Disclosure which covers a
lot of this information, written by La Marzouli. You can
look for that in the audiobooks section at Weirddarkness dot com.

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