October 30, 2025 • 36 mins
Silver Ferns interim assistant coach Liana Leota joins the podcast to review the Constellation Cup - and what a thriller the 4th match was with the Silver Ferns forcing a sudden death playoff, being clinched by the Australian Diamonds won by one point!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Inside metfore getting you closer to the game you love
with Adean Wilson, Anna Stanley and Jenny Wood so a
by News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
That'd be good funo and welcome to inside net. But well,
if your heart rate is back to normal. After Game
four of the Constellation Cut, we're going to relive it
all again as we dissect the series, which saw the
Australian Diamonds win an extra decide of time in christ
Church by one goal. What a game it was, what
a fight back it was from the Ferns. We'll chat
to the interim Silver Fern assistant coach Leana Liota on
(00:30):
her summation of the series and to analyze it all
with me.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
The team is back together.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
A dean zooming in from the lovely bay of plenty
Kids duties A dean they never they never stop. What
are you doing in Todonger? But don't you love it
that I.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Often in Totonger?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
So yeah, I'll take close to be and not about
I'm sitting here looking out the beautiful glistening ocean.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So yeah, it's not all bad on mum duties.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And you've obviously just come back from calling that fourth test.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh my god, what a vibe it was.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That was insane christ Church crowd and I know any
you have spoken about how good the Hamilton crowd was too. Phenomenal,
like literally phenomenal. They lived every past. Especially in the
second half. They were a little bit quiet. I think
they were on edge. Everyone was nervous in the first half,
but they lifted and you could see the team lift
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with the crowd, and it was I feel very privileged
to have been there because it's one of those environments
you just yeah, it gives you goosebumps, gen you're kicking back.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Well, well no, not entirely. I just come straight from
the basketball court, thank you. Yes, And so anyway, we
hot footed it along to the pub and we we
got there in time for the last quarter, which of
course was the one you wanted to see because it
was just I couldn't believe my well, I could actually,
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because I thought, gee, they just looked so strong, so
full of purpose. And I got to the end of
that match or no, we won that, but even to
the end of the whole game, and I felt like
we'd won. I felt like we'd held the cup and
all was well, given everything they'd been through and I
tell you what, those players and those two women who
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were coaching just up in my you know, up in
my mind incredibly so so Yeah, I just was on
a high for days still am.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, let's talk talk about one of those one of
those coaches. It's certainly been a busy month for the
Silver Fans and the interim assistant coach lean and Liota.
She was obviously called in for the Tiny Jamison, which
they won, and her tenure as assistant coach continued through
the Constellation Cup. She's a mother of five, Busy, busy, busy.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
How does she do it?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, let's hear it from her now, Leanna Liota, Welcome
to Inside net Bowl. Now, first of all, thank you
so much for your time. Appreciate that you've only got
a few days rest and recovery before you get back
together as a team, so we really appreciate you coming
on with Firstly, I guess I want to say congratulations
for the series.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
What's your overall summary? How are you feeling?
Speaker 6 (03:10):
I think I suppose I've got to be grateful for
the improvement across the four I just we just knew
that the team had so much more from Tests one
and then I suppose you started to see that in
test three and four. But yeah, I think, yeah, I
have to be grateful with that, but just a little
bit disappointed not to have that con cup in our
hands because I thought we were thoroughly deserving of that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You are one hundred percent deserving of that. It was phenomenal.
That was one of the best netball games I've got
to sit and watch. The skills on display were outstanding.
I mean, what led to that massive shift because the
first two tests and then the second two tests were
completely different.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
What what created that environment that they went out there
and showed their resilience and performed.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I think when you're back's against the war, you've got
to turn up. There's nowhere to hide. And so we
had to step into that space of being uncomfortable doing
our own goals. I think we're a really nice team
that liked to help each other, but helping each other
doesn't actually help you do your job and do it
very well. So there was a lot of conversations around that,
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just basic skill set, executing our skill set, around what
we knew the Assies were really good at. And then
I think I'm not going to lie being home was
a huge, huge impact for us, the crowd and both
Hamilton and christ Church. They were their eighth player without
a doubt, and they just gave the girls that energy
to anytime they did anything fantastic, you could just see
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the body language. And then I suppose our messaging around
that was to continue to celebrate that because through that
you get natural energy and you want to do more
and so you're not really thinking about being in that
hurt locker for long. So yeah, definitely being home was
a big one.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
How much of it, Leanna was about finding combinations because
there were a couple of combinations and Hall and Jackson,
you know, spring to mind, you know, how much of
it was working out who you want to play where?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Yeah, I think I suppose throughout the tiny Gemison we
were trying to find that spine and what that looked like.
And then it was just so hard because that training
different people put their hands up, so then you're just
questioning yourself like have we got the right team or
and then again was the matchup? So once we got
into concut, we're like, no, we've got to keep a spine,
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and then our impact has to be our changes and
where we can add value on what those connections were.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
But definitely as you.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Saw the series go on, I suppose we got confident
in combinations. Not having the girls for long or not
knowing how they deal with pressure in the moment definitely
gave us confidence seeing them out there more. But I
think just yet, like naturally, as you got more game
time with those combinations, you started to see them.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Let's talk about the combination in the mid court, because
you've got so many to choose from, and I think
the one that we saw at the very end, for
me is my favorite. Heafen at center with Maddie at wing,
attack Kimmie or POI was in the team last year
when the Ferns beat Australia three to one, a lot
of people wondering Leana why she didn't get as much
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court time. Could you maybe give us a reason why?
Speaker 7 (06:25):
Yeah, I think it's simple. We went part of that.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
We didn't know their game plan, their structure, or how
they played, and so we couldn't bank our money on
that we could deliver that or what they actually executed
throughout that con Cup. So we had to believe in
I suppose of it, and I in our game plan
or what we were trying to do it and who
best suited that at the time. So definitely we looked
at Concup. But yeah, I think for me and the
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attacking end, and particularly I just could have banked that
I knew the structures that they were running.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
The combination.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Amelia An has massive impact in that you watch back,
her work clothed her efficiency and her.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Ability to keep the Gold offense out for longer.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
So yeah, it was more so for like us backing
what we know and how we were coaching and how
we saw.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
The game moving forward. So you know, I definitely heard
the noise around that.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Interesting there. You talked about you doing the attacking in.
Is that how you split it that you run the
attacking in and event the defensive end?
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Yes, yeah, but obviously overall events communicated with the whole team.
But yeah, we've pretty much split from center down I
had the attack and from center up she had the defenders.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So do you therefore call the changes on the attacking
in or is that something you work together with during
the game live?
Speaker 7 (07:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
No, So we were just constantly in communication about what
we were seeing, what we thought we needed tweets, or
what was playing out in the moment. So no, definitely
a collaborative approach, but both we were both happy to
swing both ways to give each other feedback in those moments,
just to help make that decision a little bit quickly.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I think when inside Nebel last spoke to you, you
were here with the England team coaching and you blem
and beat the Silver Fans. Is it going to be
weird going back and are you out of that coaching
pathway now in England?
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Yes, so, I don't think it will be different.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
I think I've created a family over there as well,
so they are. They have been part of my journey
and something that I'll always speak highly of. I enjoyed
my time over there and I lew it so much.
So definitely it will be different going back there and
not being part of that setup, but ultimately.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
This is where I've always wanted to be. They always knew.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
That the endgame was coming home, so they were always
open to that journey and what that looked like. So now,
if anything, I'm excited. I'm excited to see family and
friends and people that who we brought into our family,
that are part of our family on that side of
the hemisphere.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Let's go back to that fourth test.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So you play sixty minutes, you win it, then you
have a twelve minute break and you go into extra
decided time. Now that you've played that, we saw quite
a few of the girls cramping out, the fatigue was
kicking in. What's your take on whether that should continue
next year?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
That extra decided time?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Was it a positive or would you rather go to
a fifth game.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Which some people are talking about to be does it stop?
Fifth game? Sixth game?
Speaker 7 (09:28):
That's a hard one.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
I think in all honesty, you would want a fifth
game because then it gives you the opportunity to actually
fight for it. But then I know the tolls that
that takes on the athletes and how long we're already
in a tour, and how you if you added that game,
how much longer that does compact like mentally on the
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mindset and stuff like that. But no, definitely not the
extra time. I think, if anything, that's a good reminder
of should that come to Commonwealth or wheel Cups that
they've had that fifth quarter and they know what that
looks like.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
So I suppose the.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Experience of that now rather than in a Commonwealth games
or a Wheel Cup, you can just put that in
your back pocket that you know you've done that, so
that's positive. But no, definitely I'm not a fan because
I know the toll it takes. But if I had
to pick a side, it would definitely be a fifth.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Did you talk a lot about having pickle juice on
the sideline just in case the girls were cramping lots?
Because I think pickle juice was said quite a few times.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yeah, yeah, I think we had everything all the way
down to hydration from the last four days before that
task happening. So no, we tried to do all we
could with the short, short amount of time we had.
But definitely know a lot of girls went into the
hurt locker in that space and there was no doubt.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
What have you learned from this coaching experience? I mean
you and have been thrown in the deep end. There's
been so many challenges over the last month. You know,
what have you learned in some those positives that you'll
take away from this experience?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
I suppose the good thing I suppose about a bit
n I we just sit in a mutual space. We're
not we're not we were not emotionally attached to a
lot of things, and I think that's who we are
as people too.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
If we're in somewhere, we're in and then we're on
to the next.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
What have I learned? I think a lot about the
New Zealand girls and how they how they take what
makes them work. I've definitely seen progression quicker than what
I've seen in an England environment. So the ability to
take on information and implement it has been really quick
and they really engage in.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
But for me, yeah, I think it's just another job.
You just go in and do your.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Best and at impact where you can, without thinking about
the outside.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Noise and what's next for you? Now, Leanna, what does
next year bring?
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Yeah, well it hasn't been announced, so I'm not sure
from my.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Lungs something's going to be announced.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah, no, but definitely staying put on New Zealand soil.
It was a hard one After Steal I was ready
to go home. I think only because I'm used to
the hustle and bustle of a fast lifestyle.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
We New Zealand isn't that. So I was ready to
go back.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
My husband's obviously still a Manchester working there, so I
was ready to go. But it was my children they
were like no, Mum, we love it here. You can
go back by Dad, but we'll stay. So for me
it was a reality check that they're actually home that
happy and they love being surrounded by Faro. So yeah,
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for me, I had to put my ambitions to the
side for once. I've paid ten years of doing that
in England to be able to give them the upbringing
and and the lifestyle that they would love to have.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
So no, definitely, definitely in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So Harbi lives in England. You're in Pami North, mother
of five, so what's the range in ages now?
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Leana so Brooklyn, she's just turned twenty three.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
She she was our eldest and whilst I was playing
with the Silver Firm for the Silver Fan, she was
the only one around.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
And then we had four born and raised in England.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
So Tares is twelve, Connie is ten, Frankie has just
turned nine and meet her at seven.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So wow, you got there, so no wonder you need
to be around some fun out to help.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Yeah, and with the Steal I was down there and
they were all based in Palmer's Lot with my family
and Johnny, so they were brought up with all them
whilst I was in and the cargo. Johnny was in England,
so in the Congo is just like England. Right to
have one pyreine at home I think was a big
draw card for me to stay pot So yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's a tough one, isn't it As a mum, like
how you make those decisions and put your put your
and we often put everyone else first, don't we?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
So really excited to hear that.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You're staying here in New Zealand. What would you like
to get out of this this English tour coming up?
Like how important is it to go over there for
the ferns now and finish the year? You know they're
going in the right to trajectory? How do you just
nail it for these last five tests?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Yeah, I think they're also yes, we want to win,
but I think this is the last hit out internationally
before Commonwealth Games. So my mindset is also making sure
we get more combinations out there for longer, ones that
haven't had that much experience.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
So how do you still compete to win?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
But you still need to be able a bank that
we can get say the Catherine for is the Martina
the ones that are knew it into that environment and
don't have that experience for say Calm Games in Glasgow
next year. So I think of it and I just
sitting in that space. Obviously we want to win and
that that has to be the outcome to finish that high,
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but there has to be other objectives going over there.
We can't just play the same seven and just win
the game. Three games like that, that wouldn't be success
going over there. So it's just how do we add
those incremental objectives but still keeping the ability to win
and one convincingly.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'm going to ask another mid court question, Leanna. We've
got a lot of Petter fans as well that listen
to this Inside Network podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So we saw Peter a few times.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Didn't see her start against Australia. Do you think she's
at that point where she is a very very good
A and Z player, but when she gets at that
in that international arena, she just gets shut down. Is
that what we're seeing or perhaps are we not seeing
her get the opportunity that she deserves.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
No.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I think with pets there's huge potential. I'm a huge fan.
I think you need to remember she hasn't had much
exposure on the international stage, so it is like when
you play Australia.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
You get one opportunity. If you don't take it, there's
someone else coming in.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
So for her, it's just around that ability to get
free and that repeated work ethic.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
She's got it, she does it.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
But I think against that Ossie one on one, she
just hasn't been exposed enough. I think for us, we
didn't have space to trial and error because we were
chasing the wind, and so for her it just wasn't
an opportunity for her there. And then we were going
with five midies and then we knew we needed ends
coverage and the d so that's why you didn't see
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her in that space because we knew we needed legs
in both ends. So no, I think it's more so
about she needs just more time once she figures out
the different styles.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
You can't play one way.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
You have to be able to change and adapt to
every nation, and you have to have your one or
two things you know you can bank against them that's
going to beat them every day. And I just don't
think she's had that exposure or that experience, so that
might just come.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
No.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I'm backing her. The way just only kept being a technique.
But she's just got so much to offer as just
yet how much time.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
You're probably about the same size too, aren't you. I
was thinking of you actually because she played she went
into the goal attack position and I remembered you at
the Glasgow Calm Games and their injury. But anyway, you
were very good.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Now I was just going to ask one last question.
You may not be of to answer this yet. Obviously
Knowles has been reinstated as coach. How much communication will
you have while in England back with Knowles? Will there
be much of that communication going along?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
I don't know, I think so. When we found out,
it was pretty much like the day you guys found out.
So we were just running with it and our goal
was to get through con Cup, but not that unaware
of We haven't had any colms. I suppose we've only
been home one day and there's potential for more on Monday.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Yeah, but at the moment, no, I wouldn't have a clue.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Oh well, Leana, we look forward to seeing the results
of the Northern Tour. We loved watching you guys in
the series. It was an amazing fight back. It was
just like a good old Australian New Zealand battle out
on court. So we look forward to seeing the progress
over the Northern tour and all the very best.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Thank you for having me inside Nipple the Inside Netball podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, Leanna Liota speaks so well and interesting there Jin
She said that she has a role that hasn't been
announced yet for next year.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I wonder what that could be.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
I don't know, but you know, speculation is rife, isn't it,
because is she going to be nol into system?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Is she going to be? But she's had no contact
with Nolans contact with so well maybe.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Not no, wow, who knows?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well, she was obviously with the Steel this year as
an assistant role, and we know that all the am'z
coaches have been announced, but there are a couple of
assistant a Z rolls still.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Up for grabs.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I wonder she gave us a little hint by mentioning
the kids in Palmi North. Does she just go just
down the road to the Polse assistant coach with honor? Obviously,
she played a lot of netball for the Polse under
of Robbie Broughden Leana and Lioto as well as Deep Sour,
So perhaps if I was a betting lady, I perhaps
would put it on assistant coach for the pulse.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
There you go, you go, heard it here, heard it
from inside.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Okay, where do we start. Let's wrap this series? Test
one and two. Ferns lost significantly seventeen goal deficits. At
that point, probably we were all the same feeling somewhat demoralized.
You know, netball has been in a bad place in
this country for several months and it was like, oh no,
it's filtering down to the team, get on the plane,
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come to Hamilton. And what impressed me was just the turnaround,
the intent, the intensity. It was like a good old
you know, New Zealand Australia grudge match led by Cardenberger
the captain. Someone needed to stand up and she did it.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Gen she certainly did. And I think, do you know
what I think they because you know, they dropped those
first two, as you said, by seventeen and I wonder
if it was because they didn't have that mental thing
of having worked done the maths, worked out, Oh my god,
if we're going to win, we've got a win by
thirty five goals or something. This tiebreaker. And I know
I've heard you know, lots of views on it, but
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from a crowd point of view, and I count myself
as a crowd, I loved it because it just gave
you such excitement. But yeah, no, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
And Caddin, I think Cutam was a key to this.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Cuddin talked about it. I think it was post Test three.
She you know, she's new to the captaincy role and
it was almost like she wore heavy, a heavy cape
overer in those first two tests.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
You know, she was worried about being captain and doing
the right things.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And she said Test three, she realized on game day,
the best thing you can do is play play. You'll
use your game lead by your performance. Netball is different
to other sports. When you're a captain a netbell on
game day, other than doing the coin toss, it's not
like you're having to make big calls on the court.
You're not choosing to take a kit court saying, whether
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you know everyone's standing in a field like cricket, so
you can really concentrate on your own performance. She did
that that whole defensive end. In the first two tests,
we just were not getting ball. By the third and
fourth Test, we went back to what New Zealand does
well the four prong defense, filling the middle, forcing Australia
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wide and line and behold.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
They turned over balls.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So for me that was huge defensively picking up those
balls and getting the rebounds. And in those first two
Tests it was all about that one blowout quarter that
the silver ferns were so bad. And then you go
to Test three and four and it was the Australians
having that blowout quarter and three we won twenty to eleven,
and and then in Test four it was the last
quarter we won it nineteen eleven. So again it was
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that mental shift that I was really impressed with, which
can often be really hard against Australia.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well, I obviously have never played against Australia, but I
wonder how much did the umpires come out here. I mean,
the these international umpires aren't paid. They just get their
costs covered. And so you know, they're the same three
they're all from the Northern Hemisphere. And I'm not getting
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at them, and I'm not suggesting that they were biased
or anything, but I think they can't help be influenced
by the crowd. And it's incredible, you know, because I
saw in that third Test Jamie Lee Price must have
been wondering what on earth she had changed, how had
she changed her play because she just looked mystified because
suddenly she was being called for the very thing she
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wasn't in the test previously.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So I went and I went and looked at the
penalty count for each test.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Right, So Test Test one and two in Australia, New
Zealand were pretty much had nearly twenty more penalties than Australia.
So where we're getting blown out of the game in Australia,
you come to New Zealand and it completely flipped. So
Test three Australia were getting the same amount of penalties
that we were in when we played in Australia. And
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so Test three Australia sixty three penalties in New Zealand
forty five. You know, you compare that to Test one
in Australia. New Zealand were on sixty eight Australia were
on fifty five.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
So it had.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Flipped Test four though very similar. Yeah, so that test,
that Test three, there was a.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Difference regardless of that. You know, I think it's high
time these umpires were paid. I mean, I think the
A and Z and the SECN they play their umpires.
I mean the only people who weren't being paid, you know,
at those games were the ones who are carrying all
the pressure and.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
They would have had take lee from their jobs like
that could be and this is a long tour, I mean,
that could be your hole lead for the year that
you've just committed to come and you know, officiated a
Nipple series. So you're entirely right, Dan, why are we
not paying the umpires?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It is insanity.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But you know on that point as well, that is
ten games in a row now that New Zealand has
beaten Australia on New Zealand soil, ten in a row.
I'm not counting the last fifteen because that was you
know that, I'm separating that out. But what is it
you're in gen I even looking back and Annie, you
might if we cast our mind back to the years
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ago when we played, it felt like when you played
in Australia, more contact was let go one hundred percent
did then you'd come back to New Zealand and more
would get called. And I think that's what we're still seeing.
I cannot figure out why that is. I well, Jodie
Brown actually brought up a really good point where we're
talking about it at the game going is it because
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when the umpire in New Zealand, they're being assessed by
New Zealand assessors and when they're in Australia are they
being seized by Australia's So is it the feedback that
have been given on the sideline different in different countries.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
We don't know which is a problem. That's the problem.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, but I mean start by paying them.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, no, that's no, it is crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Let's talk about the shooting because I looked at the
stats in that last game, so Grace just talking about
the Grace effect. She put up fifty six from fifty
nine goals. Every other goal attack that played hef, Salmon
and Walmsley combined put.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Up six goals.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Now is that a worry when we are placing all
the emphasis on Grace and we never saw we never
saw her leave the court and that was a mistake
in Test three.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
She she shouldn't have come off.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But boy is it sustainable going forward when all the
other goal attacks put up a total of six goals
and Grace puts up fifty six. When you compare that
to the diamonds. Why they were so good. Kira Austin
for me far out, she was so composed. In one
of the tests she put up more than Garbin, you know,
nineteen from twenty one and test three that was only
three less than Garbin, who's the goal shooter. And I
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just worry moving forward that we need to start looking
at a different goal circle in case what happens at
the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
You know what happens again, happens again. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Interesting though, wasn't it because I thought, you know, kiro
Let's talk about Kira Austin's because she's got that really low,
low release which we saw in that final test. Catherine
Hall and Kelly Jackson just got block after block. Well,
but that's what it felt like. And of course Georgie
Horges it's tiny or not tiny, but short. He's a
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little one seventy show, Yes, smaller player, but gosh, she's fast.
She ran rings around you know, Paris Mason and an
earlier test. So I don't know, because I don't want
to go through Cape Town again.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
From that.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yes, if we were going, I love that we had
three goal attack options and it was almost like first test.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
It was Martina Salmon that stepped up. Second test it
was George Heavnen.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Third test it was Amelia Wormsley. Exciting, right, We've actually
got three really genuine options at goal attack, two of
which we know often played predominantly goal shoot in Warmsley
and Salmon. So I actually think, as much as we
love Amelia aunt Kinasio.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
She's probably not going to be there next year. I'm guessing. So,
you know, I think we're standing in good Steve. I
agree with you.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think it's always been the conundrum any about how
many shots should the goal attack take? And we used
to have the same discussion when we had Irene and
the Belinda Collings and.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Things in this world.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
To me, as long as long is that goal attacks
taking enough that they feel confident when they get thrown
in the deep end at that moment that they're going
to need to have to shoot, as long as they've
had enough shots that they're confident to look to post,
which out of all the shooters, I would actually lean
towards Georgia heathen in because she was confident.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
To do the little in and outs.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I think we're okay that they don't take a huge number,
but they you know even though being quite crafty, and
I saw Grace do it a couple of times. Grace
could have taken the penalty, but she chose to let
the goal attack take it. And I think, again, that's
a clever option because it keeps them in that shooting flow. Well,
that brings me to one of my If you have
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a think about perhaps what your top three moments, or
what your top three or who your top three performers
were over the course of the series, that's a good.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Segue into one of mine.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
So one of my top moments I have got down
are the heathen and feeds into Grace.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
So I have always been a fan of Heffernan. I've
always thought she probably was more of a defensive center
than an attacking one eye.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
You're talking about Kate came talking about hate Kate at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think her attacking game has got a lot better
in terms of her feeds into Grace. She was just
turning the only one that was confident to throw it
in and then we saw g heff as well in
the circle. So, as you say, Dane, she may not
have been putting up the shots, but her contribution of
connecting to Grace. I thought that was one of my
highlights out of those last two tests for me, the
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Heffen and sisters, boy, they have rarely risen to the challenge.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Well about you or Dane, what's one of yours?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Well? Mine?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
The turning point for me was Catherine Hall at Gold offense,
Like who knew, I've never seen a play Gold defense
in my life. She came on and I as much
as Kuttenberger was doing a great job, the middies were
recognizing whether there was the height and balance and when
she was on Garbin, they.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Would just put it over her. So as soon as.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You pushed Carden across the wing defense so you're still
getting the beautiful defense and the bringing the ball through,
you brought the long arms of Catherine Haw. What an
impact she to me was the turning point and Test
four that's when things changed after halftime when she came on,
an absolute revelation and they even in the post match
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Ginder views when I was speaking to Garbon, she raised
that saying Jackson and Hall's arms having to shoot over them.
You know the fact that she was raising that that
obviously having an impact in a circle. So the finder
the series for me Catherine Hall at gold offense.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Well, I love the coming two from Kelly Jackson. I
think I guess it was after that test where she said,
you know, together their wingspan just about colors the whole
width of the circle, which.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Because you can be tall, but you cannot have long arms,
but Cathern Hall's got both.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Yes, yeah, which fantastic. The thing for me, though, is
I just thought I just saw some real mental fortitude
like they they never in that and I'm only talking
about the well the last test I suppose for test four,
they never looked like you know, going back and well
until that last extra fourteen minutes. But oh, it filled
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my heart, filled my heart.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
My other one was what you've already said, a Dean
was the rise of Catherine Hall, but it was more
the combination with Jackson I thought in that last test
was sensational. I must say, though, if there was one
little work on for Hall which I've noticed in which
I noticed in Test three and four, she's very good defensively,
very vulnerable on attack.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Driving through court it was like, oh, it was like, oh,
where's she going to throw it? Where's she got to
throw it?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
So maybe that's just something that she can that she
can find tune but defensively boy, yet her anticipation was
great and my last one was But similar to you, Gene,
just the fight and the hunger and the turnaround, that
mental fortitude that the Silver Foind showed from Test two
to three.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Can I give a shout out to Maddy Gordon as well?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Oh yeah, I meant.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Fan and to me the way I think it was
the way they started the Decider series time. When you
talk about a spine and we heard La talk about it,
it was Jackson hall Berger, Heffnin, Maddie in at wing attack,
Georgia Heffernan and Grace that is my spine.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I thought they were outstanding.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I thought when Maddy Gordon is the best wing attack
against Australia because of how quick she is on her
lateral movement and she therefore could really stand up against
Jamie Lee Price, I think she got she got Player
of the series, didn't she in the end? Maddi Gordon,
Well she didn't. She deserved it. I thought she was outstanding.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Neighbor here I think it was Karen Berger, But well,
there are probably any number of players of the series.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Will you talk about that first phase getting free and
that that's what interesting talking to Leana about Peter. You know,
that's what was lacking with Peter. On Jamie Lee Price,
she just has her that first phase, Peter finds it
really difficult to come out, so that's where Yeah, she's
probably better on that second phase penetrating the goal circle.
But Maddie Gordon, as you say, she is just fit enough,
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she's fast enough, she's agile enough to keep those movements
going and get free. So you know that's what you
want from a wing attack. Anti climax. The only thing
the end of the game. Of course, it was all
going so well, one goal down and then poor old
Sunday Arian does her acl So you know from watching
on my couch you were there obviously a day. The
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crowd looked amazing and then suddenly they were just silenced
at the end. So probably not the best way to
finish it. Yeah, just sucked the air out, and I
think that just shows people's heart. You know, you saw
instantly that it wasn't good. You saw instant tears from
the Diamonds players, and unfortunately we've all played netball for
long enough now you can there's I don't know, I
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can't even explain why.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
You just know.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
But when you see a nee do a certain angle,
you're like, that's an acl that's gone.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
And so it was tough, and it was actually really tough.
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I had to end of view the Australian players afterwards
and you could see they were elated that they won,
but they were devastated because they knew they just lost
a mate and that mate is not going to the
Comwalth Games.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
There would have to be a miracle in her recovery
to make it to the Coomwalth Games next year.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So July, yeah, yes, so that borderline, yeah, so gusting.
But what I actually really looking ahead though, was really
good hearing from La then about looking ahead now for
Comwalth Games and what they're going to have to do
the sul Ferns against Scotland and England, and it sounds
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like they're going to use different combinations and really use that.
As she said, crazy to think that's the last opportunity
you'll see the Ferns in a test match environment before
Commonwealth Games, and the next time you'll see them they'll
have a new coach because during the week Dame no
Lean Totoa has obviously been reinstated as the coach.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
So what do you know that we don't.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Her next coaching gig will be at the Calm Games,
so not going on the Northern Tour.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
What do we think about that?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Well, I think that's I haven't given it any thought actually.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
But no, everyone else in New Zealand has.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I got heartily sick of that conversation. But no, what
I was going to say is that you know, of course,
what we keep forgetting is you know, well, not half
but what half a dozen New Zealanders will be playing
in the SECN next year, and so you know, I
was thinking, oh, would be good to see Hall. And
then of course I was thinking, no, we won't be
seeing Hall with Jackson because you know, Jackson will be
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across the Tasman.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
But we wouldn't have seen them together anyway, because but.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
You would have seen them, Well no you wouldn't. But
different franchise, different franchises. But I don't know, it's just
it's reinvigorated my passion for netball.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think we're in a good place. I think, having
you know, looked at the Constellation Cup, the Tiny Jamison,
I think I'm in a much better place to think
that we could win gold next year. After that last
game I only lose by one to Australia. I think
the fight that we saw, the young players that stepped
up your Warmsley, you know, Gordon sensational one attack, the
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combination with hal at the back with near Jackson. I
mean it's made me excited so we can look forward, look.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Forward to that next year.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Well, of course the Silver Ferns have got a couple
of days R and R before they embark on that
Northern tour. Two Tests against Scotland, three against England. We'll
be back for our last podcast of the year to
wrap that series and let's hope that's a successful one
for the Ferns.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Until next time, Mark here wa
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
That'd be good funo and welcome to inside net. But well,
if your heart rate is back to normal. After Game
four of the Constellation Cut, we're going to relive it
all again as we dissect the series, which saw the
Australian Diamonds win an extra decide of time in christ
Church by one goal. What a game it was, what
a fight back it was from the Ferns. We'll chat
to the interim Silver Fern assistant coach Leana Liota on
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her summation of the series and to analyze it all
with me.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
The team is back together.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
A dean zooming in from the lovely bay of plenty
Kids duties A dean they never they never stop. What
are you doing in Todonger? But don't you love it
that I.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Often in Totonger?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
So yeah, I'll take close to be and not about
I'm sitting here looking out the beautiful glistening ocean.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So yeah, it's not all bad on mum duties.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And you've obviously just come back from calling that fourth test.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh my god, what a vibe it was.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That was insane christ Church crowd and I know any
you have spoken about how good the Hamilton crowd was too. Phenomenal,
like literally phenomenal. They lived every past. Especially in the
second half. They were a little bit quiet. I think
they were on edge. Everyone was nervous in the first half,
but they lifted and you could see the team lift
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with the crowd, and it was I feel very privileged
to have been there because it's one of those environments
you just yeah, it gives you goosebumps, gen you're kicking back.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Well, well no, not entirely. I just come straight from
the basketball court, thank you. Yes, And so anyway, we
hot footed it along to the pub and we we
got there in time for the last quarter, which of
course was the one you wanted to see because it
was just I couldn't believe my well, I could actually,
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because I thought, gee, they just looked so strong, so
full of purpose. And I got to the end of
that match or no, we won that, but even to
the end of the whole game, and I felt like
we'd won. I felt like we'd held the cup and
all was well, given everything they'd been through and I
tell you what, those players and those two women who
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were coaching just up in my you know, up in
my mind incredibly so so Yeah, I just was on
a high for days still am.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, let's talk talk about one of those one of
those coaches. It's certainly been a busy month for the
Silver Fans and the interim assistant coach lean and Liota.
She was obviously called in for the Tiny Jamison, which
they won, and her tenure as assistant coach continued through
the Constellation Cup. She's a mother of five, Busy, busy, busy.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
How does she do it?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, let's hear it from her now, Leanna Liota, Welcome
to Inside net Bowl. Now, first of all, thank you
so much for your time. Appreciate that you've only got
a few days rest and recovery before you get back
together as a team, so we really appreciate you coming
on with Firstly, I guess I want to say congratulations
for the series.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
What's your overall summary? How are you feeling?
Speaker 6 (03:10):
I think I suppose I've got to be grateful for
the improvement across the four I just we just knew
that the team had so much more from Tests one
and then I suppose you started to see that in
test three and four. But yeah, I think, yeah, I
have to be grateful with that, but just a little
bit disappointed not to have that con cup in our
hands because I thought we were thoroughly deserving of that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You are one hundred percent deserving of that. It was phenomenal.
That was one of the best netball games I've got
to sit and watch. The skills on display were outstanding.
I mean, what led to that massive shift because the
first two tests and then the second two tests were
completely different.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
What what created that environment that they went out there
and showed their resilience and performed.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I think when you're back's against the war, you've got
to turn up. There's nowhere to hide. And so we
had to step into that space of being uncomfortable doing
our own goals. I think we're a really nice team
that liked to help each other, but helping each other
doesn't actually help you do your job and do it
very well. So there was a lot of conversations around that,
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just basic skill set, executing our skill set, around what
we knew the Assies were really good at. And then
I think I'm not going to lie being home was
a huge, huge impact for us, the crowd and both
Hamilton and christ Church. They were their eighth player without
a doubt, and they just gave the girls that energy
to anytime they did anything fantastic, you could just see
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the body language. And then I suppose our messaging around
that was to continue to celebrate that because through that
you get natural energy and you want to do more
and so you're not really thinking about being in that
hurt locker for long. So yeah, definitely being home was
a big one.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
How much of it, Leanna was about finding combinations because
there were a couple of combinations and Hall and Jackson,
you know, spring to mind, you know, how much of
it was working out who you want to play where?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Yeah, I think I suppose throughout the tiny Gemison we
were trying to find that spine and what that looked like.
And then it was just so hard because that training
different people put their hands up, so then you're just
questioning yourself like have we got the right team or
and then again was the matchup? So once we got
into concut, we're like, no, we've got to keep a spine,
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and then our impact has to be our changes and
where we can add value on what those connections were.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
But definitely as you.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Saw the series go on, I suppose we got confident
in combinations. Not having the girls for long or not
knowing how they deal with pressure in the moment definitely
gave us confidence seeing them out there more. But I
think just yet, like naturally, as you got more game
time with those combinations, you started to see them.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Let's talk about the combination in the mid court, because
you've got so many to choose from, and I think
the one that we saw at the very end, for
me is my favorite. Heafen at center with Maddie at wing,
attack Kimmie or POI was in the team last year
when the Ferns beat Australia three to one, a lot
of people wondering Leana why she didn't get as much
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court time. Could you maybe give us a reason why?
Speaker 7 (06:25):
Yeah, I think it's simple. We went part of that.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
We didn't know their game plan, their structure, or how
they played, and so we couldn't bank our money on
that we could deliver that or what they actually executed
throughout that con Cup. So we had to believe in
I suppose of it, and I in our game plan
or what we were trying to do it and who
best suited that at the time. So definitely we looked
at Concup. But yeah, I think for me and the
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attacking end, and particularly I just could have banked that
I knew the structures that they were running.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
The combination.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Amelia An has massive impact in that you watch back,
her work clothed her efficiency and her.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Ability to keep the Gold offense out for longer.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
So yeah, it was more so for like us backing
what we know and how we were coaching and how
we saw.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
The game moving forward. So you know, I definitely heard
the noise around that.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Interesting there. You talked about you doing the attacking in.
Is that how you split it that you run the
attacking in and event the defensive end?
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Yes, yeah, but obviously overall events communicated with the whole team.
But yeah, we've pretty much split from center down I
had the attack and from center up she had the defenders.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So do you therefore call the changes on the attacking
in or is that something you work together with during
the game live?
Speaker 7 (07:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
No, So we were just constantly in communication about what
we were seeing, what we thought we needed tweets, or
what was playing out in the moment. So no, definitely
a collaborative approach, but both we were both happy to
swing both ways to give each other feedback in those moments,
just to help make that decision a little bit quickly.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I think when inside Nebel last spoke to you, you
were here with the England team coaching and you blem
and beat the Silver Fans. Is it going to be
weird going back and are you out of that coaching
pathway now in England?
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Yes, so, I don't think it will be different.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
I think I've created a family over there as well,
so they are. They have been part of my journey
and something that I'll always speak highly of. I enjoyed
my time over there and I lew it so much.
So definitely it will be different going back there and
not being part of that setup, but ultimately.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
This is where I've always wanted to be. They always knew.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
That the endgame was coming home, so they were always
open to that journey and what that looked like. So now,
if anything, I'm excited. I'm excited to see family and
friends and people that who we brought into our family,
that are part of our family on that side of
the hemisphere.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Let's go back to that fourth test.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So you play sixty minutes, you win it, then you
have a twelve minute break and you go into extra
decided time. Now that you've played that, we saw quite
a few of the girls cramping out, the fatigue was
kicking in. What's your take on whether that should continue
next year?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
That extra decided time?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Was it a positive or would you rather go to
a fifth game.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Which some people are talking about to be does it stop?
Fifth game? Sixth game?
Speaker 7 (09:28):
That's a hard one.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
I think in all honesty, you would want a fifth
game because then it gives you the opportunity to actually
fight for it. But then I know the tolls that
that takes on the athletes and how long we're already
in a tour, and how you if you added that game,
how much longer that does compact like mentally on the
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mindset and stuff like that. But no, definitely not the
extra time. I think, if anything, that's a good reminder
of should that come to Commonwealth or wheel Cups that
they've had that fifth quarter and they know what that
looks like.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
So I suppose the.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Experience of that now rather than in a Commonwealth games
or a Wheel Cup, you can just put that in
your back pocket that you know you've done that, so
that's positive. But no, definitely I'm not a fan because
I know the toll it takes. But if I had
to pick a side, it would definitely be a fifth.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Did you talk a lot about having pickle juice on
the sideline just in case the girls were cramping lots?
Because I think pickle juice was said quite a few times.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yeah, yeah, I think we had everything all the way
down to hydration from the last four days before that
task happening. So no, we tried to do all we
could with the short, short amount of time we had.
But definitely know a lot of girls went into the
hurt locker in that space and there was no doubt.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
What have you learned from this coaching experience? I mean
you and have been thrown in the deep end. There's
been so many challenges over the last month. You know,
what have you learned in some those positives that you'll
take away from this experience?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
I suppose the good thing I suppose about a bit
n I we just sit in a mutual space. We're
not we're not we were not emotionally attached to a
lot of things, and I think that's who we are
as people too.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
If we're in somewhere, we're in and then we're on
to the next.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
What have I learned? I think a lot about the
New Zealand girls and how they how they take what
makes them work. I've definitely seen progression quicker than what
I've seen in an England environment. So the ability to
take on information and implement it has been really quick
and they really engage in.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
But for me, yeah, I think it's just another job.
You just go in and do your.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Best and at impact where you can, without thinking about
the outside.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Noise and what's next for you? Now, Leanna, what does
next year bring?
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Yeah, well it hasn't been announced, so I'm not sure
from my.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Lungs something's going to be announced.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah, no, but definitely staying put on New Zealand soil.
It was a hard one After Steal I was ready
to go home. I think only because I'm used to
the hustle and bustle of a fast lifestyle.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
We New Zealand isn't that. So I was ready to
go back.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
My husband's obviously still a Manchester working there, so I
was ready to go. But it was my children they
were like no, Mum, we love it here. You can
go back by Dad, but we'll stay. So for me
it was a reality check that they're actually home that
happy and they love being surrounded by Faro. So yeah,
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for me, I had to put my ambitions to the
side for once. I've paid ten years of doing that
in England to be able to give them the upbringing
and and the lifestyle that they would love to have.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
So no, definitely, definitely in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So Harbi lives in England. You're in Pami North, mother
of five, so what's the range in ages now?
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Leana so Brooklyn, she's just turned twenty three.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
She she was our eldest and whilst I was playing
with the Silver Firm for the Silver Fan, she was
the only one around.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
And then we had four born and raised in England.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
So Tares is twelve, Connie is ten, Frankie has just
turned nine and meet her at seven.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So wow, you got there, so no wonder you need
to be around some fun out to help.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Yeah, and with the Steal I was down there and
they were all based in Palmer's Lot with my family
and Johnny, so they were brought up with all them
whilst I was in and the cargo. Johnny was in England,
so in the Congo is just like England. Right to
have one pyreine at home I think was a big
draw card for me to stay pot So yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's a tough one, isn't it As a mum, like
how you make those decisions and put your put your
and we often put everyone else first, don't we?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
So really excited to hear that.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You're staying here in New Zealand. What would you like
to get out of this this English tour coming up?
Like how important is it to go over there for
the ferns now and finish the year? You know they're
going in the right to trajectory? How do you just
nail it for these last five tests?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Yeah, I think they're also yes, we want to win,
but I think this is the last hit out internationally
before Commonwealth Games. So my mindset is also making sure
we get more combinations out there for longer, ones that
haven't had that much experience.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
So how do you still compete to win?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
But you still need to be able a bank that
we can get say the Catherine for is the Martina
the ones that are knew it into that environment and
don't have that experience for say Calm Games in Glasgow
next year. So I think of it and I just
sitting in that space. Obviously we want to win and
that that has to be the outcome to finish that high,
(15:00):
but there has to be other objectives going over there.
We can't just play the same seven and just win
the game. Three games like that, that wouldn't be success
going over there. So it's just how do we add
those incremental objectives but still keeping the ability to win
and one convincingly.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'm going to ask another mid court question, Leanna. We've
got a lot of Petter fans as well that listen
to this Inside Network podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So we saw Peter a few times.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Didn't see her start against Australia. Do you think she's
at that point where she is a very very good
A and Z player, but when she gets at that
in that international arena, she just gets shut down. Is
that what we're seeing or perhaps are we not seeing
her get the opportunity that she deserves.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
No.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I think with pets there's huge potential. I'm a huge fan.
I think you need to remember she hasn't had much
exposure on the international stage, so it is like when
you play Australia.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
You get one opportunity. If you don't take it, there's
someone else coming in.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
So for her, it's just around that ability to get
free and that repeated work ethic.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
She's got it, she does it.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
But I think against that Ossie one on one, she
just hasn't been exposed enough. I think for us, we
didn't have space to trial and error because we were
chasing the wind, and so for her it just wasn't
an opportunity for her there. And then we were going
with five midies and then we knew we needed ends
coverage and the d so that's why you didn't see
(16:32):
her in that space because we knew we needed legs
in both ends. So no, I think it's more so
about she needs just more time once she figures out
the different styles.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
You can't play one way.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
You have to be able to change and adapt to
every nation, and you have to have your one or
two things you know you can bank against them that's
going to beat them every day. And I just don't
think she's had that exposure or that experience, so that
might just come.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
No.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I'm backing her. The way just only kept being a technique.
But she's just got so much to offer as just
yet how much time.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
You're probably about the same size too, aren't you. I
was thinking of you actually because she played she went
into the goal attack position and I remembered you at
the Glasgow Calm Games and their injury. But anyway, you
were very good.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Now I was just going to ask one last question.
You may not be of to answer this yet. Obviously
Knowles has been reinstated as coach. How much communication will
you have while in England back with Knowles? Will there
be much of that communication going along?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
I don't know, I think so. When we found out,
it was pretty much like the day you guys found out.
So we were just running with it and our goal
was to get through con Cup, but not that unaware
of We haven't had any colms. I suppose we've only
been home one day and there's potential for more on Monday.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Yeah, but at the moment, no, I wouldn't have a clue.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Oh well, Leana, we look forward to seeing the results
of the Northern Tour. We loved watching you guys in
the series. It was an amazing fight back. It was
just like a good old Australian New Zealand battle out
on court. So we look forward to seeing the progress
over the Northern tour and all the very best.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Thank you for having me inside Nipple the Inside Netball podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, Leanna Liota speaks so well and interesting there Jin
She said that she has a role that hasn't been
announced yet for next year.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I wonder what that could be.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
I don't know, but you know, speculation is rife, isn't it,
because is she going to be nol into system?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Is she going to be? But she's had no contact
with Nolans contact with so well maybe.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Not no, wow, who knows?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well, she was obviously with the Steel this year as
an assistant role, and we know that all the am'z
coaches have been announced, but there are a couple of
assistant a Z rolls still.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Up for grabs.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I wonder she gave us a little hint by mentioning
the kids in Palmi North. Does she just go just
down the road to the Polse assistant coach with honor? Obviously,
she played a lot of netball for the Polse under
of Robbie Broughden Leana and Lioto as well as Deep Sour,
So perhaps if I was a betting lady, I perhaps
would put it on assistant coach for the pulse.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
There you go, you go, heard it here, heard it
from inside.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Okay, where do we start. Let's wrap this series? Test
one and two. Ferns lost significantly seventeen goal deficits. At
that point, probably we were all the same feeling somewhat demoralized.
You know, netball has been in a bad place in
this country for several months and it was like, oh no,
it's filtering down to the team, get on the plane,
(19:51):
come to Hamilton. And what impressed me was just the turnaround,
the intent, the intensity. It was like a good old
you know, New Zealand Australia grudge match led by Cardenberger
the captain. Someone needed to stand up and she did it.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Gen she certainly did. And I think, do you know
what I think they because you know, they dropped those
first two, as you said, by seventeen and I wonder
if it was because they didn't have that mental thing
of having worked done the maths, worked out, Oh my god,
if we're going to win, we've got a win by
thirty five goals or something. This tiebreaker. And I know
I've heard you know, lots of views on it, but
(20:29):
from a crowd point of view, and I count myself
as a crowd, I loved it because it just gave
you such excitement. But yeah, no, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
And Caddin, I think Cutam was a key to this.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Cuddin talked about it. I think it was post Test three.
She you know, she's new to the captaincy role and
it was almost like she wore heavy, a heavy cape
overer in those first two tests.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
You know, she was worried about being captain and doing
the right things.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And she said Test three, she realized on game day,
the best thing you can do is play play. You'll
use your game lead by your performance. Netball is different
to other sports. When you're a captain a netbell on
game day, other than doing the coin toss, it's not
like you're having to make big calls on the court.
You're not choosing to take a kit court saying, whether
(21:20):
you know everyone's standing in a field like cricket, so
you can really concentrate on your own performance. She did
that that whole defensive end. In the first two tests,
we just were not getting ball. By the third and
fourth Test, we went back to what New Zealand does
well the four prong defense, filling the middle, forcing Australia
(21:41):
wide and line and behold.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
They turned over balls.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So for me that was huge defensively picking up those
balls and getting the rebounds. And in those first two
Tests it was all about that one blowout quarter that
the silver ferns were so bad. And then you go
to Test three and four and it was the Australians
having that blowout quarter and three we won twenty to eleven,
and and then in Test four it was the last
quarter we won it nineteen eleven. So again it was
(22:07):
that mental shift that I was really impressed with, which
can often be really hard against Australia.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well, I obviously have never played against Australia, but I
wonder how much did the umpires come out here. I mean,
the these international umpires aren't paid. They just get their
costs covered. And so you know, they're the same three
they're all from the Northern Hemisphere. And I'm not getting
(22:33):
at them, and I'm not suggesting that they were biased
or anything, but I think they can't help be influenced
by the crowd. And it's incredible, you know, because I
saw in that third Test Jamie Lee Price must have
been wondering what on earth she had changed, how had
she changed her play because she just looked mystified because
suddenly she was being called for the very thing she
(22:56):
wasn't in the test previously.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So I went and I went and looked at the
penalty count for each test.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Right, So Test Test one and two in Australia, New
Zealand were pretty much had nearly twenty more penalties than Australia.
So where we're getting blown out of the game in Australia,
you come to New Zealand and it completely flipped. So
Test three Australia were getting the same amount of penalties
that we were in when we played in Australia. And
(23:24):
so Test three Australia sixty three penalties in New Zealand
forty five. You know, you compare that to Test one
in Australia. New Zealand were on sixty eight Australia were
on fifty five.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
So it had.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Flipped Test four though very similar. Yeah, so that test,
that Test three, there was a.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Difference regardless of that. You know, I think it's high
time these umpires were paid. I mean, I think the
A and Z and the SECN they play their umpires.
I mean the only people who weren't being paid, you know,
at those games were the ones who are carrying all
the pressure and.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
They would have had take lee from their jobs like
that could be and this is a long tour, I mean,
that could be your hole lead for the year that
you've just committed to come and you know, officiated a
Nipple series. So you're entirely right, Dan, why are we
not paying the umpires?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It is insanity.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But you know on that point as well, that is
ten games in a row now that New Zealand has
beaten Australia on New Zealand soil, ten in a row.
I'm not counting the last fifteen because that was you
know that, I'm separating that out. But what is it
you're in gen I even looking back and Annie, you
might if we cast our mind back to the years
(24:36):
ago when we played, it felt like when you played
in Australia, more contact was let go one hundred percent
did then you'd come back to New Zealand and more
would get called. And I think that's what we're still seeing.
I cannot figure out why that is. I well, Jodie
Brown actually brought up a really good point where we're
talking about it at the game going is it because
(24:58):
when the umpire in New Zealand, they're being assessed by
New Zealand assessors and when they're in Australia are they
being seized by Australia's So is it the feedback that
have been given on the sideline different in different countries.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
We don't know which is a problem. That's the problem.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, but I mean start by paying them.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, no, that's no, it is crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Let's talk about the shooting because I looked at the
stats in that last game, so Grace just talking about
the Grace effect. She put up fifty six from fifty
nine goals. Every other goal attack that played hef, Salmon
and Walmsley combined put.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Up six goals.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Now is that a worry when we are placing all
the emphasis on Grace and we never saw we never
saw her leave the court and that was a mistake
in Test three.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
She she shouldn't have come off.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But boy is it sustainable going forward when all the
other goal attacks put up a total of six goals
and Grace puts up fifty six. When you compare that
to the diamonds. Why they were so good. Kira Austin
for me far out, she was so composed. In one
of the tests she put up more than Garbin, you know,
nineteen from twenty one and test three that was only
three less than Garbin, who's the goal shooter. And I
(26:20):
just worry moving forward that we need to start looking
at a different goal circle in case what happens at
the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
You know what happens again, happens again. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Interesting though, wasn't it because I thought, you know, kiro
Let's talk about Kira Austin's because she's got that really low,
low release which we saw in that final test. Catherine
Hall and Kelly Jackson just got block after block. Well,
but that's what it felt like. And of course Georgie
Horges it's tiny or not tiny, but short. He's a
(26:54):
little one seventy show, Yes, smaller player, but gosh, she's fast.
She ran rings around you know, Paris Mason and an
earlier test. So I don't know, because I don't want
to go through Cape Town again.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
From that.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yes, if we were going, I love that we had
three goal attack options and it was almost like first test.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
It was Martina Salmon that stepped up. Second test it
was George Heavnen.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Third test it was Amelia Wormsley. Exciting, right, We've actually
got three really genuine options at goal attack, two of
which we know often played predominantly goal shoot in Warmsley
and Salmon. So I actually think, as much as we
love Amelia aunt Kinasio.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
She's probably not going to be there next year. I'm guessing. So,
you know, I think we're standing in good Steve. I
agree with you.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think it's always been the conundrum any about how
many shots should the goal attack take? And we used
to have the same discussion when we had Irene and
the Belinda Collings and.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Things in this world.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
To me, as long as long is that goal attacks
taking enough that they feel confident when they get thrown
in the deep end at that moment that they're going
to need to have to shoot, as long as they've
had enough shots that they're confident to look to post,
which out of all the shooters, I would actually lean
towards Georgia heathen in because she was confident.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
To do the little in and outs.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I think we're okay that they don't take a huge number,
but they you know even though being quite crafty, and
I saw Grace do it a couple of times. Grace
could have taken the penalty, but she chose to let
the goal attack take it. And I think, again, that's
a clever option because it keeps them in that shooting flow. Well,
that brings me to one of my If you have
(28:39):
a think about perhaps what your top three moments, or
what your top three or who your top three performers
were over the course of the series, that's a good.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Segue into one of mine.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
So one of my top moments I have got down
are the heathen and feeds into Grace.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
So I have always been a fan of Heffernan. I've
always thought she probably was more of a defensive center
than an attacking one eye.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
You're talking about Kate came talking about hate Kate at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think her attacking game has got a lot better
in terms of her feeds into Grace. She was just
turning the only one that was confident to throw it
in and then we saw g heff as well in
the circle. So, as you say, Dane, she may not
have been putting up the shots, but her contribution of
connecting to Grace. I thought that was one of my
highlights out of those last two tests for me, the
(29:28):
Heffen and sisters, boy, they have rarely risen to the challenge.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Well about you or Dane, what's one of yours?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Well? Mine?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
The turning point for me was Catherine Hall at Gold offense,
Like who knew, I've never seen a play Gold defense
in my life. She came on and I as much
as Kuttenberger was doing a great job, the middies were
recognizing whether there was the height and balance and when
she was on Garbin, they.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Would just put it over her. So as soon as.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You pushed Carden across the wing defense so you're still
getting the beautiful defense and the bringing the ball through,
you brought the long arms of Catherine Haw. What an
impact she to me was the turning point and Test
four that's when things changed after halftime when she came on,
an absolute revelation and they even in the post match
(30:15):
Ginder views when I was speaking to Garbon, she raised
that saying Jackson and Hall's arms having to shoot over them.
You know the fact that she was raising that that
obviously having an impact in a circle. So the finder
the series for me Catherine Hall at gold offense.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Well, I love the coming two from Kelly Jackson. I
think I guess it was after that test where she said,
you know, together their wingspan just about colors the whole
width of the circle, which.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Because you can be tall, but you cannot have long arms,
but Cathern Hall's got both.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Yes, yeah, which fantastic. The thing for me, though, is
I just thought I just saw some real mental fortitude
like they they never in that and I'm only talking
about the well the last test I suppose for test four,
they never looked like you know, going back and well
until that last extra fourteen minutes. But oh, it filled
(31:08):
my heart, filled my heart.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
My other one was what you've already said, a Dean
was the rise of Catherine Hall, but it was more
the combination with Jackson I thought in that last test
was sensational. I must say, though, if there was one
little work on for Hall which I've noticed in which
I noticed in Test three and four, she's very good defensively,
very vulnerable on attack.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Driving through court it was like, oh, it was like, oh,
where's she going to throw it? Where's she got to
throw it?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
So maybe that's just something that she can that she
can find tune but defensively boy, yet her anticipation was
great and my last one was But similar to you, Gene,
just the fight and the hunger and the turnaround, that
mental fortitude that the Silver Foind showed from Test two
to three.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Can I give a shout out to Maddy Gordon as well?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Oh yeah, I meant.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Fan and to me the way I think it was
the way they started the Decider series time. When you
talk about a spine and we heard La talk about it,
it was Jackson hall Berger, Heffnin, Maddie in at wing attack,
Georgia Heffernan and Grace that is my spine.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I thought they were outstanding.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I thought when Maddy Gordon is the best wing attack
against Australia because of how quick she is on her
lateral movement and she therefore could really stand up against
Jamie Lee Price, I think she got she got Player
of the series, didn't she in the end? Maddi Gordon,
Well she didn't. She deserved it. I thought she was outstanding.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Neighbor here I think it was Karen Berger, But well,
there are probably any number of players of the series.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Will you talk about that first phase getting free and
that that's what interesting talking to Leana about Peter. You know,
that's what was lacking with Peter. On Jamie Lee Price,
she just has her that first phase, Peter finds it
really difficult to come out, so that's where Yeah, she's
probably better on that second phase penetrating the goal circle.
But Maddie Gordon, as you say, she is just fit enough,
(33:06):
she's fast enough, she's agile enough to keep those movements
going and get free. So you know that's what you
want from a wing attack. Anti climax. The only thing
the end of the game. Of course, it was all
going so well, one goal down and then poor old
Sunday Arian does her acl So you know from watching
on my couch you were there obviously a day. The
(33:28):
crowd looked amazing and then suddenly they were just silenced
at the end. So probably not the best way to
finish it. Yeah, just sucked the air out, and I
think that just shows people's heart. You know, you saw
instantly that it wasn't good. You saw instant tears from
the Diamonds players, and unfortunately we've all played netball for
long enough now you can there's I don't know, I
(33:50):
can't even explain why.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
You just know.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
But when you see a nee do a certain angle,
you're like, that's an acl that's gone.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
And so it was tough, and it was actually really tough.
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I had to end of view the Australian players afterwards
and you could see they were elated that they won,
but they were devastated because they knew they just lost
a mate and that mate is not going to the
Comwalth Games.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
There would have to be a miracle in her recovery
to make it to the Coomwalth Games next year.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So July, yeah, yes, so that borderline, yeah, so gusting.
But what I actually really looking ahead though, was really
good hearing from La then about looking ahead now for
Comwalth Games and what they're going to have to do
the sul Ferns against Scotland and England, and it sounds
(34:37):
like they're going to use different combinations and really use that.
As she said, crazy to think that's the last opportunity
you'll see the Ferns in a test match environment before
Commonwealth Games, and the next time you'll see them they'll
have a new coach because during the week Dame no
Lean Totoa has obviously been reinstated as the coach.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
So what do you know that we don't.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Her next coaching gig will be at the Calm Games,
so not going on the Northern Tour.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
What do we think about that?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Well, I think that's I haven't given it any thought actually.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
But no, everyone else in New Zealand has.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I got heartily sick of that conversation. But no, what
I was going to say is that you know, of course,
what we keep forgetting is you know, well, not half
but what half a dozen New Zealanders will be playing
in the SECN next year, and so you know, I
was thinking, oh, would be good to see Hall. And
then of course I was thinking, no, we won't be
seeing Hall with Jackson because you know, Jackson will be
(35:36):
across the Tasman.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
But we wouldn't have seen them together anyway, because but.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
You would have seen them, Well no you wouldn't. But
different franchise, different franchises. But I don't know, it's just
it's reinvigorated my passion for netball.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think we're in a good place. I think, having
you know, looked at the Constellation Cup, the Tiny Jamison,
I think I'm in a much better place to think
that we could win gold next year. After that last
game I only lose by one to Australia. I think
the fight that we saw, the young players that stepped
up your Warmsley, you know, Gordon sensational one attack, the
(36:10):
combination with hal at the back with near Jackson. I
mean it's made me excited so we can look forward, look.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Forward to that next year.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Well, of course the Silver Ferns have got a couple
of days R and R before they embark on that
Northern tour. Two Tests against Scotland, three against England. We'll
be back for our last podcast of the year to
wrap that series and let's hope that's a successful one
for the Ferns.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Until next time, Mark here wa
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