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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the buck Sexton Show, where the mission or
mission is to decode what really matters with passionable intelligence.
No mistake, America, you're a great American Again. The buck
Sexton Show begins now. Welcome, Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to

(00:25):
the buck Sexton Show. You're right if you're thinking that's
not buck Sexton, it's me again. Raheem Kassam, the global
editor in chief of Human Events dot com, filling in
for the great buck Sexton today, broadcasting live this time.
Those of you who will remember a couple of weeks ago,
we did it out of West Palm Beach. This time

(00:47):
we're doing it out of sunny, sunny California. We're in
We're in North LA. I don't even know La very well.
Somebody's going to tell me, no, you're not in North LA.
I think I'm in North LA. And that's all that matters.
I identify as being in North LA. Okay, We've got
a great show for you today. So much going on
in the world, not least the President assailing China yet again.

(01:11):
This trade war talk is all kicking off the establishment
obviously in a panic. Mister President, you can't have tariffs.
We don't like tariffs. The end of history dictated, we
don't do tariffs anymore. But sure enough, the American economy
is still roaring while these tariffs take hold and force

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China to the negotiating table, force China to rethink the
decades and decades of destruction that they've been doing to
the American manufacturing base, jobs, to the opioid crisis that
has developed as a result of a lot of it,
to what they're doing down in Latin America and Central America. Also,

(01:55):
we're going to talk in about twenty minutes. You're not
going to want to go anywhere to talk with my
old boss, Stephen K. Bannon about about the trade war.
But there's more going on to things that we all
need to be aware of. This Equality Act that the
Democrats are trying to push through Congress. We're going to
be talking to the Concerned Women for America. Share Garrison

(02:17):
will be joining us momentarily, and across the show, we've
got Mike Morrison. You might not know Mike Morrison, but
Mike Morrison's a good friend of mine. He used to
run the Alexandria Accassio Cortez parody account on Twitter and
it was recently taken away from him. I think because
it was too close to the truth if you're asking me,

(02:39):
but Twitter and making other excuses for their more banning
of conservative voices. Later we're on in the program, we're
going to bring in good buddy of mine, Matt Peterson
from the Claremont Institute. They just had Secretary of State
Mike Pompeo at their fortieth anniversary gala down here in
Beverly Hills. That's what I was in town four and

(02:59):
you know, I just decided to hang on out afterwards.
And Chris Hull as well, great expert on all things
foreign affairs, good friend of mine, and he'll be talking
about talking to us about China too. Dave ray Boy,
also a Claremont fellow like myself. I guess you're beginning
to hear a pattern here. When Rheine Guess hosts a show,
it's Rain's buddies who come on. But I happen to

(03:21):
believe that my buddies. I have the best buddies, all right.
I have the smartest people with the best words. Dave
d Boy will be coming on the show in the
last hour as well. Dave is Dave is primarily a
foreign policy guy has done amazing work, especially on recently
the Kashoggie affair. But Dave actually was in a supermarket

(03:42):
yesterday down in West Palm Beach and took a picture
with a box of chips Ahoy. You know these cardboardy
cookies that you guys have, well, chips Ahoy and their
PR people didn't like it so much, And that's because
Dave was making fun of their latest advertising campaign, which
featured a transgendered person telling you to buy your mother

(04:06):
chips Ahoy cookies for Mother's Day. I think that's the
gist of it in general. Anywhere can I hear from
Dave later on in the program. But I wanted to
start off with this today because those of you who
will remember the last time I guest hosted this show,
and I'm very honored and privileged. Whenever Bunk asked me
to do it, I went off on a little bit

(04:26):
of an unplanned tear in the opening monologue section about
the antisemitism that's rife within the Democrat Party. And little
did I know at the time, I mean nothing, did
I know at the time what would ensue. Just about
ten days later, the representative for Michigan one of the

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representatives for Michigan, Congresswoman Rashida to Leab this weekend, was
heard to us a the following words in a podcast
for Yahoo News called The Skullduggery Podcast. I want to
play the clip, mister producer of the of what Rashida

(05:10):
to Labe told the Skullduggery Podcast. I think it's I
think it's clip one. Yep, we got it. There's you know,
there's a kind of a calming feeling. I always tell
folks when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy
of a Holocaust, in the fact that it was my ancestors,
Palestinians who lost their land and some lost their lives.

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All of it was in the name of trying to
create a safe haven for Jews. When I think about
a one state, I think about the fact that why
couldn't we do it in a better way. I've never
done this before on the radio, but I actually like
to play the first part of that clip again. Mister
produces just played that, really the beginning, which says there's
a calming feeling. I always tell folks when I think

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of the Holocaust, I want I want you guys to
hear what kind of a sociopath it takes to say
those things. Let's let's just to hear that again. There's
you know, there's a kind of a calming feeling now.
Is tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust, and
it's extraordinary, there's kind of a calming feeling. I always
tell folks when I think of the Holocaust. Now. I

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don't know about you guys out there, but I certainly
hope I do. I don't think anybody gets a calming
feeling when they think of this systematic slaughter of six
million Jews, of six million anyone's right. I don't think
anybody could sit back and say, well, let's just listen

(06:36):
to the broader context of what Congresswoman Tillbe was saying.
Because she was given the opportunity to establish some broader
context on the seth Mayer's show last night. Let's make
clip fifteen. I think it is, mister Busha, let's hear
the context that Congresswoman Tillab wanted to wanted to establish
around this comic. I feel like there's a way to

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talk about the history of that part of the world
that people hear in this country maybe don't fully understand it.
Could could grasp it more absolutely. I mean, I think
for me, I grew up in the most beautiful black
of city in the world in the country, which a
city of Detroit, and every corner is a reminder of
the civil rights movement. And I through my African American teachers,
through my you know, I call my black mothers on

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on the black I grew up in, they you know,
constantly told me about the pain of oppression. They taught
me about the history of segregation and feeling less than
and dehumanized because they were black in America, and a
lot of that that lends that I bring to this issue,
and that's how I talk about it, the fact that
you know, we are dehumanizing a whole community to uplift

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other others. But I don't think that's truly going to
keep anybody safe. It's truly not going to lead to
peace and equality and justice. And you have to when
you look at this issue, come from a place of values.
You know, people want to go ahead and jump and
choose sides. No, come from a place of values, because
by the end, you will choose the right side of
history when you do that. I just I don't I

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don't get it if you listen very closely to what
she's saying that I mean, I guess I do get
it right. This is somebody who effectively hates Jews. I
said it. I said it. Put me up against the
wall and Jew she probably would. This is somebody who
clearly hates Jews, because to say that one people are
being lifted up, are either Jews after the Holocaust were

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being lifted up by the establishment of the State of
Israel at a cost to the other. And then she
goes on to say, I don't think that can create
a long lasting piece. Well by saying that, what you're
doing is you're dealgitimizing the State of Israel. You're dealogitimizing
it's founding. You're deallygitimizing what it's there for. You're dealing
is justimizing its historical claim to that land, it's biblical
claim to that land. You're dealogitimizing the whole lot of it. So,

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in going on television and saying the stuff again, she
hasn't dug herself out of the hole. She's dug herself
even further. You don't want to stay with me on
this because I'm going to bang on about this throughout
the course of this show. I think it's absolutely reprehensible.
And what's also reprehensible is the attitude that the mainstream
media have adopted towards this. Instead of going after her
and saying, hold on a minute, we have a literal

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anti semit We have somebody who denigrates the Holocaust in
position of massive power in the United States Congress. What
are the headlines that we're seeing Republicans pounce on Talabe's comments.
Republicans anger, Republican fury. Everyone should be furious about this.

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I'm not one to scream and shout, I really am not,
but I am absolutely flabbergasted that the moral depravity that
has taken root inside the confines of your Congress. Five
percent of the entire new intake of Democratic Party expressing
views like this one state solution, views which effectively means

(09:46):
an end to Israel, and the media operatives and the
talking heads and the written word journalists scurrying like cockroaches
to defend Rashida Talabe for the his comments. For me,
is absolutely unacceptable. This is the Buck Sexton Show. I'm
Rahem Casalm. You're not gonna want to go anywhere. We've

(10:07):
got some great guests over the course of the next
couple of hours. Tell your friends to tune in. We'll
be right back after this break. Welcome back. This is
the Bucks Sexton Show. I'm Rahem Casalm, the global editor
in chief of human Events dot com, broadcasting live from
Los Angeles. Today. We opened with my little rant about

(10:29):
Congresswoman Rashida to lab and I hope we have the
time to get to more of that over the course
of the show. If you want to have your say,
ladies and gentlemen, the phone lines are open. The phone
number is eight four four nine zero zero. Buck. That's
eight four four nine zero zero two eight two five.

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I'm gonna bring on a special guest now, doctor Shayer Garrison,
from the Concerned Women for Erica. Doctor Garrison, thank you
so much for joining us here on the Buck Sexton Show.
Hi Rohy, and thank you for having me now. Absolutely
our pleasure because there's this Equality Act bill that is

(11:13):
being put before Congress, and I'm not sure that the
world quite understands the implications of it, and we're very
grateful for you joining us to talk about this. If
I were a moron and some people say I am,
what do I need to know from the outset, Doctor Garrison,
about this bill, the implications, and what are the chances

(11:34):
of it passing. Well, it's basically immense. The Civil Rights
Act of nineteen sixty four and every places the word
sex as a non discriminated category with the term sex,
sexual orientation, and gender identity. So what that means is
that gender identity now becomes among the protected categories of discrimination, which,

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on the face of things sounds good, but you have
to understand that the word sex will no longer be
understood as biologically male and female in civil rights law,
and so all federally funded entities will be forced to
interpret sex as multiple and fluid gender identities. So it
doesn't matter what your birth was a excuse me, your

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sex was at birth. And here's sort of the clincher.
There are no medical or legal conditions required or processes
required to prove that you have moved from one sex
to the other. But it is up to your own
self identification and there's no limitations on it. So how's

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that for a nutshell summary That is deeply disturbing nutshell summary,
Doctor Garrison. Your colleague Drne Denny has written an article
about this which is up right now is the lead
story on human events dot com, and we're very grateful
for that because there are so many real world implications

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for this. I as you can probably tell, or I
suppose you're not really supposed to say that anymore, but
I was going to say, you could probably tell by
the sound of my voice that I'm a man. This
means that effectively, right, Thank you. I'm glad you didn't
say no, that that would have been embarrassing. The implications
for this are that I can walk into if this passes,

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I can just walk in to a women's change your
room say I identify as a woman. I don't have
to show anything. There's no medical records, no psychological thing,
nothing at all that I have to do to prove that.
I can just go into your gym and walk into
your changing rooms. That right, That is absolutely right, And
that is not just theoretical. Because of some gender identity

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policies that have been put in state law, local law,
different organizations laws. It is actually happening already. Can I
give you a quick example of that, please, Evergreen's State College,
Washington State twenty and twelve, there was a man there,
forty five year old student at this college who identifies

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as a woman but still has male genitalia using the
women's locker room, and high school students were also allowed
to use these facilities. So some teenage girls practicing for
the high school swim team saw this man and there
completely naked again, remember still with male genitalia. Their coach

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asked him to leave. He didn't have to leave. Bottom
line is the police didn't arrest him for indecent exposure.
Local district attorney attorney didn't bring charges because the non
discrimination policy at the school gets any man who identifies
self identifies as a woman the right use the facilities.
And this kind of thing is happening all over the nation.

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Men boys who identify as women or girls competing on
women's sports teams. So these things are already happening, and
we'll be enshrined into our civil rights bloss if this
thing were to pass. So we'll speaking of that. How
likely is it to pass? I know the President came
out today and said that he had some problems with it.

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Is what is the likelihood as it stands right now?
Who's pushing it, who's sponsoring it? And how can people
take action? There'll be a lot of callers out there
right now, A lot of listeners out there who want
to take action, get involved with your group perhaps, so
feel free to give yourselves a plug as well. Over
to you. Well, I appreciate that almost every Democrat and
the House is standing for this. There are only only

(15:37):
a few Republicans standing for it. We set CWA, Concerned
Women for America sent a letter today to Nancy Pelosi.
Along with May, I point out other women's groups on
both sides of the Aisle. Women Liberation Front or WOLF.
They are a radical feminist group who have united with
us against this act because we understand that it will

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bring harm to women and girls in many different ways.
So it will pass in the health But um, we
we are trying as much as we can to just
let people know what is going on. This thing is insane,
and um there are women, like I said, not just
conservative women as we are, who are standing against us

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because we understand that it will hurt women and girls.
It already is it's part and parcel of this um
radical left agenda. I mean remember Alexandria Accassio Cortez promised
us in another in another violent anti women piece of
rhetoric that they would, they would run train on the
on the congressional agenda, UM in this in this Congress,

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and it looks like they're doing just that. Um Dr Garrison.
I know it's politics, is you know, electoral politics may
not be what Concerned Women for America does directly. UM,
But but what what do you think about these guys
chances in in twenty twenty. I mean, they've been, they've
they've been already just so embarrassing for the political left.
There's any chance of the political left coming back to

(17:06):
being moderate and normal? Wow, that's a really good question.
From my seat here in DC. It doesn't look like it.
I really think they've lost their minds. Can I say
that on radio? Absolutely, it's mandatory on this show. Okay, well,
this is our point. This is why we're trying to

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get the word out. I know that this sounds crazy.
I would have thought if I was one of your
listeners a couple of years ago, oh, this woman must
be an alarmist. But no, I am telling you what
is happening. We've been working on this issue in gender
identity policies for about two years now, and these things
are real. Congress is out of hand. We have tried

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to explain to them the dangers of this bill that
it that it will hurt not just women, but little
girls who have to also deal with these types of things,
just like in that example that I give you gave
you and doctor Garrison. We're right at the end here.
Would you tell people where they can see more of

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your work? What's the website? Yes, if you would please
go to our website Concerned Women for a excuse me,
Concerned Women for America. We have a page on there
under the Quality Act with all kinds of resources. If
you would please reach out to your congress doctor Garrison.
Right at the end of the segment, but thank you
so much. People go to that website. This is the

(18:33):
Buck Sexton Show. Will be right back. He's holding the
line for America. Buck Sexton is back. I think it's
going to be I think it's going to journ out

(18:54):
extremely well. We're a very strong position. We are the
piggy bank that everybody likes to take a manage of
or take from, and we can't let that happen anymore.
We've been losing for many years, anywhere from three hundred
billion to five hundred billion dollars a year with China
and trade with China. We can't let that happen. A

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lot of strength is being shown. This has never happened
to China before. Our economy is fantastic. Theirs is not
so good. We've gone up trillions and trillions of dollars
since the election. They've gone way down since my election.
So that's the way it is. That's the way it stands.
We're gonna do very well. Yeah, welcome back to the

(19:36):
Buck Sexton Show. This is Raheinecasum, the Globe letters in
chief of Human Events dot Com, filling in occupying the
Freedom Hut today. Joining us on the line now is
somebody who's very familiar with that voice and familiar with
talking to that voice on that topic. Stephen K. Bannon
is the former White House Chief strategist and the former
CEO of the Trump campaign, My old boss, Steve. Welcome

(19:57):
to the show. I don't know what was harder being
the CEO of the Trump campaign, being chief strategists, or
being your former boss. I have an idea of what,
at least was much more trying on a daily basis, Steve,
you've been you've been on a tail lately about China.
I mean you have been focused on this issue almost

(20:17):
las alike for years now, but specifically within the last
week or so, we've seen your name popping up. I
still have Google alerts on for you, by the way,
so I see every morning what Steve Bannon is saying,
primarily about China at the moment, and operated in the
Washington Post last week, quoted at length in Yahoo News Today,
which is a very interesting article as well. Steve Bannon

(20:38):
cheering trade war, hopes for government to fall in China?
Is that a quixotic aim? Steve? Is there a chance
that the Chinese Communist Party actually crumbles because of the
policies of this administration. Look, I don't think just for
the president's you know the quote they're talking to the gaggle,
you know in the presidents to an excellent job here

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motioning this and negotiating this. But when you look at
the deal that we tried to try to work out
with them, this is not a trade deal. I mean,
this is basically an armistice in an economic war that
the Chinese had been running on not just America but
the entire industrial West. I mean, I'm here in Berlin
and people with the business people, I'm talking to some
of the focal people. Everybody's talking about China and which

(21:21):
China is doing to basically eviscerate the manufacturing base of
the industrial democracy. So this is a series as against
President Trump is no Raheem work with Lightheiser Navarro for
almost a year to craft this deal. The Chinese knew
exactly what the architecture of it was. They knew exactly
this was focused around transparency and accountability and that was

(21:43):
going to be handled by a deep monitoring and also
the ability of enforcement. And the Chinese knew what this
was and at the last minute they rethought it and
they said, hey, this will begin the process of taking
apart the state capitalism that has worked for us, and
we think we can hours to west. So this is
this is as tough as people should be concerned about this.

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It's important issue is the United States has ever faced.
Trump's doing a tremendous job. But this is really about
stopping this economic war that China has been running against us.
In the CCP. This radical cadre that controls China doesn't
have the Chinese people that change. People are as good
and decent as any people on earth. This is about
this radical cadre that controls them, and I think ultimately

(22:29):
something's going to have to happen there at that would
have to be about the Chinese people. But I think
the first step is the tough on this economic war
President Trump. They're saying in the clip we played just
out of the break that this has never happened to
China before. Well, Steve, you know this issue probably, I
would say, maybe better than anyone in America right now.

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How did we get to this point? What are the
couple of decades of policies of not just the tont
but rolling over to China. Who was in charge of
those policies? Because while I'm hearing from the established media
at the moment, is we go to end this trade?
Will we go to end these tariffs? This is going
to Americans in the polkad. This sounds like it's coming
from some pretty slick operations in DC who have been
pumping these lines out for decades. Oh, this is the

(23:12):
swamp at large. I mean, raheem, you know this from
being Nigel's wingman in London. You're seeing right now Project Fear,
Project Fear that ran on the Leaf campaign and then
braks it. You're seeing Project fear now put into the
American people by very slick influence operation backed by Chinese money.

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And what you're seeing is that, oh, we have to
cut a deal quickly or the farmers are going to
be heard, or the stock market is going to implode.
It's only some difference here every other day. This has
been going on for basically almost twenty five years since
we allow China into the World Trade Organization. Most say
the nation and the experts that the global elites got
it wrong. The elites in New York City and Washington City.

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They said, basically, we know we're gonna make China wealthier.
We know we're going to ship jobs over there, the
manufacturing jobs. So if they get wealthier, that become more
free markets, you know, lovers of democracy. Well that didn't happened.
They became the exact opposite. Now they're a complete totalitarian
surveillance state. Work into a surveillance state. And this is
what we've created. This is what Wall Street in the

(24:17):
corporatis and particularly Corporate America. Corporate America is their lobbying operation.
Wall Street is the investor's relations department of the Chinese
Communist Party. We've created this kind of Frankenstein Monster our
technology both that we allowed them to steal that the
forced technology transfers in that with Financeton Wall Street. You know,
NPR did this great piece two weeks ago about all

(24:39):
the companies. I think they went to two hundred companies
that had it the basic beating heart of their company
stolen by the Chinese. Not one company would come forward.
Everybody said we want the US governor to do something.
Not one company would come forward because they were afraid
of retaliations by China. So this has happened. This is
not a Democrat or Republican issue. This is the permanent

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political class that's in bed with the Chinese Communist Party.
They've all made money in China. They've all helped build
a firewall, build a surveillance technology that suppresses the Chinese people.
This is an outrage, not just a moral outrage, it's
a practical outrage. And it's the reason Donald talks president,
the reason he is president. The working class people in

(25:22):
the Upper Midwest were the fact the factories they got
shipped to China in the jobs rejected the globalist in
Hillary Clinton. They wanted someone like that Donald Trump that
could come along and represent their interests. And this is
why you see Joe Biden up there, you see Bernie
Sanders up there. This is going to be the framing
issue for the twenty twenty campaign. What does victory look

(25:42):
like here for America? Steve, Yahoo's trying to portray it
that for you, victory is the crumbling of the regime
in China. What does victory in these trade talks for
America look like? Given that we've already seen the trade
gap narrow in the first quarter of twenty nineteen, I
think at the gap now compared with ninety one billion

(26:03):
in the same period last year. When as as this
deal progresses, what should the American people be looking for
and what deal should they take? Yeah, it's it's a
great question though people you wouldn't notice by listening to
the media going on, you know, cable TV at night,
that the trade deficit and trade deficit narrowed. Also, the
difference in economic growth between the two percent projected and

(26:23):
the three point two percent, that entire one percent was
all driven by closing the trade deficit. Also, input prices
are dropping in the first quarter. In addition that the
job's number that was so off the chart, So all
those metrics, and that's why Trump's saying is the day
the stock market rebounded, all of those metrics are pointing
to a more robust economy, and one of the reasons

(26:44):
is we're starting to pull the supply chain back from China.
And that's the central part of Trump's plan. I think
a success for the American people is you have to
blunt what China. This economic course China's running on us,
and this is not the trade part. These are the
deep vernicles where Trump and Lightheiser had negotiated an incredible
deal that no American president has ever done. And when

(27:06):
they try to Retraine, Trump said, bus is not going
to happen. So I think people should look for things
like force technology transfer, stop cyber intrusions, to steal our
intellectual property, subsidies, the state owned industries to drive to
destroy are steel, aluminum, and heavy manufacturing business. In the
stop of this Madan China twenty twenty five where they're

(27:26):
actually trying to overtake US as the leading advanced manufacturer
in the world. Those would be major wins not just
for the American people, but for all of the industrial democracies,
and start to begin to bring China into the free
market capitalist system that's really been the driver of peace
and prosperity throughout the world. That's a win. Anything short

(27:47):
of that is not going to be a win, and
I think that's why we're very far apart in this deal.
I would like to see for something to happen to him.
I think a process has to be started that you
can get to the heart of these difficult issues. But
I I just don't see President Trump blinking. I think
the Hawks in Beijing right now are saying, hey, this
is the moral equivalent of a of a port treaty

(28:09):
from the nineteenth century as being British, and that was
really what started the two hundred years of humiliation. The
Chinese are saying. I think a lot of Hawks are saying, hey,
this would put America, with the monitoring and with the
enforcement directly into our economy. We're not going to do it.
So I think we're quite a bit a part of way.
Just before I let you go, I didn't realize you
were in Berlin, Steve. There's a lot of people out

(28:30):
there that like to follow what Steve Bannon is doing
across the world. What can you tell us about about
your travels in Europe and will I see you next
week in London. We're coming over human Events. It's coming
over to cover the European parliamentary campaign. If you remember, Steve,
we launched right about London five years ago, just ahead
of the European parliament election. So it's a very August
time for me. Well, i'll say it, within uber cutting

(28:53):
edge of the fight. I would like to join you
right now. My schedule was pretty damned and as you know,
Nigel has done such a stunning job and setting out
this Brakesit party. We've actually planned to be on the content.
Now I'm here with Alternative for Deutschland to talk to
different people leadership and Alternative for Deutschland to go through
their plan and to run up to the European Parliamentary

(29:14):
elections next week. I'm heading to Paris on Friday and
then down to Italy and probably the Spain after that.
But this is a this is a you know, people
here are intentor hooks about how this election turns out.
In the next days. You have a real possibility for
this populous national and sovereignty movement to have some stunned victories.
I mean, you could have a scenario where Salveni, lapen In,

(29:37):
Nigel fris are all a tomp you know, to some
of the one, two, three, four five top parties in
the European Parliament. You could end up with maybe as
much as thirty percent to thirty five percent of the
of the European parliamentary members to be part of this
kind of insurgent movement. So it's a huge thing. And
I got to tell you I couldn't be proud of

(29:58):
what Nigel's do over the last couple of weeks. It
has been absolutely stunning for the audience. You know, Nigel
four I was calling, I think at thirty four thirty
five percent might get a forty percent on a party
that was literally put to put together, you know, over
the last five or six weeks, although he's been thinking
about it a lot. And I got to tell you,
I think if there's a general election in the fall,

(30:19):
we might be talking about Prime Minister Nichael Farage, because
I know has come on and really represented this, this
Brexit movement in some in a in a way that
I think really strikes to the heart of what the
issue is. So hopefully if I can reorganize that, nothing
would be better for me to be there thinking the
memories we had of twenty fourteen and everything that you
did to build Breakbart London and what Nigel did on

(30:41):
the Brexit thing. But I gotta tell you for the
audience that this is it's a prairie fire over here
for the sovereignty movement. And you saw Roba in the
Oval office this week. They didn't have a huge rally
on I think a Saturday in Milan. I'm heading down
to Paris on Thursday. It's this It's quite a time
over here. And by the way, in Germany we'll turn
for by signs REALI said, to get their sea legs.

(31:02):
I think they're going to be a very mature party
come the fall elections. Well, Steve, we're really grateful for
you staying up late. It's what like one am I
think in Berlin at the moment, So we're very grateful
for you joining us here on the Buck Sexton Show.
Just tell people real quick where they can learn more
about the Committee on the Present Danger of China. You're
new outfit that's looking into all of this stuff. Yeah,

(31:22):
we have, we have a website. Committee on the Present
Danger found out Sik Gaffe run that day to day
You also find out more about my activities on the
this national's popular site that we run called Citizens of
the American Republic. You can go there and raheem our
congratulations on the launch of Human Events. Uh for in
this movement we need the magazine and the website to work.

(31:44):
It couldn't have a better better editor than us. So great, great,
I go there time, Steve. There's no need to lie.
Great exactly, you know. I mean the first to tell you,
I mean, the first to Teiriorty was it wasn't work.
You tell the eyes every day I get you, Hey,
what's there? It is? It is Uncle Steve's looking after me.
Stephen K. Bannon there, Thank you so much for joining

(32:05):
us here on the buck Sexton Show. And then the
next segment, ladies and gentlemen, I will be walking you
through further of what's going on in Europe at the moment,
in the European parliamentary elections that are closing in real
quick and why does it matter to you? You're going
to find out right after this break. Welcome back. This
is the buck Sexton Show. I'm reheamed this arm Global
editor in chief of Human Events dot Com. Reagan's favorite

(32:29):
magazine broadcasting live from Los Angeles. We just heard from
Stephen K. Bannon. They're talking about the US China trade war.
If you missed it, if you're just tuning in, you're
gonna want to go to buck Sexton dot com after
the show ends at nine pm Eastern and listen back
Steve talking about what victory looks like for the US
in that China trade war and importantly what's happening in

(32:53):
Europe at the moment, because I think a lot of
people don't recognize realize just how important what takes place
in the Europe in parliamentary elections, oh in just nine
days time actually is and will be for US policy
towards the European Union. And there are so many things
that the United States does with the European Union. Of course,

(33:15):
many EU members are also NATO member states not paying
their fair share, as you well know. There are also
a lot of European policies, regulatory policies, financial industry policies
that have ramifications in the US too. There are digital
privacy policies GDPR. For those of you who have gone
on to websites when you're abroad and not been able

(33:38):
to get to them. That's GDPR for you and those
of you who see those little pop up notifications on
the bottom of some websites that say to be aligned
with the European Unions regulatory standards, we have to now
do this, this, and this and this with your data,
all of that and so so so much more, not
least with regards immigration policy. Victor Orbarn's the Hungarian Prime Minister.

(34:02):
He was in the Oval Office this week, yesterday maybe
the days they all meshed together. Now. Orban was one
of the guys that put up the fence, big tall
Razoroir fence day one when the migrant crisis started. He said, nope,
I'm protecting my country. This isn't a free for all,

(34:23):
no matter what Angela Merkel says. Not everyone can come
and live in Europe, and rightly so in my estimation.
But Orban had been frozen out of coming to the
White House since I think about two thousand and five
was the last time that he was invited. Now, Hungry,
you might say, isn't that important in a country in

(34:44):
the grand scheme of things, But actually hungry is proof
of concept on a lot of things. Hungary, alongside Israel
being proof of concept that wolves work for a start.
Hungary also being one of the member states of NATO
which is committed to increasing its contribution. Hungary also one
of the philosophically aligned countries. Two President Trump and the

(35:10):
Trump administration. And in the next in the next hour,
I'm going to talk to you a little bit about
what's going on in Britain with Brexit at the moment
as well, and how that has ramifications for the United
States audience as well. Because if you had told me
that Nigel Farage might have a chance of being prime
minister or deputy prime minister, that's my old boss. By
the way, think about having Steve Bannon and Nigel Farage

(35:31):
as your old boss is stressful. You know, if if
you'd said he could be prime minister, I would I
would have said, there's more likelihood of me donning a
pair of red cowboy boots just not going to happen.
But it turns out that that might be something. You know.
I'm going to talk about that and a whole lot

(35:52):
more in the next segments. Remember the phone line here
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(36:15):
American again. This is the buck Sexton Show. Thomas Cia analysts, No,
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to some filling in occupying the freedom heart here in
Los Angeles. You can check my work out on my

(36:37):
new magazine or old magazine that we just bought, Human
events dot Com. It's Reagan's favorite magazine but making some
waves recently. If you're interested, even if you're not interested,
going over to human events dot Com. I guarantee you'll
be interested by the time you get to the end
of it. We had a great first hour on the show.
If you missed out, you're gonna want to listen back.
We had doctor cher Garrison of the Concerned Women of
America talking about this new Equality Act that the Democrats

(37:00):
are trying to railroad through Congress, opening the door quite
literally for transgender bathroom usage, males using female bathrooms, females
using males. You know, the Alexandra Occassio Cortez line of
running train on this legislative agenda is becoming more and more,
sounding more and more and being realized as more and

(37:23):
more nefarious as time goes on. Plenty of action to
take as regards concerned that Women for America. You can
go to their website you're interested in that issue. We
also had Stephen K. Bannon on talking about all things
China trade war. In case you forgot, Stephen K. Bannon
was the chief strategist in the the White House and

(37:43):
the CEO of the Trump campaign in twenty sixteen. I'm
delighted to be joined now by by another chap who's
going to be joining us to talk about this Equality Act.
You see, I am such a believer in equality that
we had both a female animes voice on this topic. Ladies, gentlemen,
have you met Terry Shilling? Welcome to the show, Terry, Hey, raheem,

(38:06):
how are you a fake snake? That? And I do
identify as male and I am biologically fail? Wow. Good
to know, as they call it, good to know. The
American Principles Project is where Terry does most of his work. Terry,
you'll forgive me. What's the website again? American Principles Project

(38:27):
dot org. Real? There you go, there you go? You
see now if you like what Terry says. Over the
course of the next ten minutes, American Principles Project, do
August were can go to find out more? Terry impress them?
What is going on with this Equality Act? How is
this sneaking kind of beneath the raider. I'm not really
seeing this on television, you guys obviously at the American
Principles Project that concerned Wining from America and a couple

(38:49):
of other groups, even some left wing groups, as doctor
Scher Garrison told us in the last hour, banging on
about this now in all the right ways. Tell us
about this, what it means, and where are you guys
approaching this issue from. So, look, the main problem with
the Equality Act is it it's kind of a trojan
horse for a lot of bad things. And what they're

(39:11):
making it out to be is a pro gay rights
bill that protects gay people and bisexual people from discrimination
from you know, being fired for being gay or being
discriminated against. But the real problem is is that it
includes that's a really ambiguous term, gender identity. It doesn't

(39:35):
define gender identity. So for your listeners that aren't really
that familiar, gender identity is not related. Apparently is not
related to your biological sex. So I'm a male, I
identify as a male, but there's nothing stopping me from
saying to you, raheem, I now identify as a female

(39:55):
and then having all of the rights that females apply.
And the reason that this is majorly problematic is because
of such areas such as batters, women's shelters, showers, locker room,
especially with female sports. You know, I mean, men have
this natural advantage when it comes to athletic where we

(40:18):
can get whoa whoa whoa terry, terry terry. Firstly, you're
not allowed to say that anymore. I'm sending the police around.
I am calling the police. Secondly, I have to say
I've seen you playing sport and you do not have
a more natural ability than most women. Oh come on,
you haven't yet. I am a phenomenal I might be
able to be Venus Williams, to be honest, very I'm

(40:40):
a very good lacrosse player. No, I think you know
what's what's happening now is in high school, these young
guys are identifying as female and they're getting into track
and they're just destroying these female records. Well, because you know,
men just have natural athletic ability that women don't. Um.

(41:01):
Just today, actually on Archie Tone, uh, a male who
identifies as a female had his uh, his records uh
revokes from him. He had this powerlifter, h transgender female
who's really a male, broke like four female powerlifting records

(41:23):
in one day and he had all of those revoked
because they did a hormone test and the hormone show
that he was really a man. Uh. So look there there,
there's there's a lot of bad implications here, and the
Equality Act is just a bad bill. But if you
ask the American people, should someone be fired for being gay? Uh,
They're gonna say no, they should be protected. But if

(41:45):
you ask the average person page, if a kindergarten teacher
uh comes out as transgender, should that teacher really be
able to teach kindergarteners? Ninety percent of them are gonna
say no. Uh. And so you look, if the Democrats
were really good will about this, they take the gender
identity part out of it and just get some protections
for LGB members of their community. But that's not really

(42:09):
what this is about. The Social Engineering Bill. It's a
complete and unmitigated disaster. And uh, I'm really worried about.
There's a fourteen Republicans that are rumored to be supporting it,
which is just pathetic, pathetic. Well, let's get into that.
I don't know if you know those fourteen off the
top of your head, nor if you can tell us

(42:30):
any of them. Is it sort of the usual suspects?
Who are we talking about here? Well, I mean we're
you know, the obvious people. It's you know, the least
the fanic, that's you know, the most surprised. The two
most surprising ones that I've heard that are flirting with
voting for this or will heard and um Justin amash

(42:50):
Justin Amashu, he's a libertarian, but I'm getting a lot
of intel that he's thinking about voting for this absolutely
bizarre terry. Um, if orderary people out there want to
do something about it, what can they do? Where can
they go? Tell them? Tell them everything. The best thing
you guys can do is call you're a member of Congress,

(43:12):
especially if they're a Republican, and urge them to vote
no and vote on a clean bill of glip bill
that you know, if you really support gay rights and
you don't think people should be fired for being gay,
they should support a clean bill where there's obvious consensus
and obvious science m and say that, you know, gay
people can't be fired for the jobs of from their

(43:35):
jobs for being gay. But take out this gender identity nonsense.
It's totally crazy. It's insane and has no business being
added into the Civil Rights law, which was you know,
created to protect black Americans who are being legitimately discriminated against.
So contact remember Congress, go to American Principles Project dot

(43:57):
org and uh sign up to get our email updates
with and out all types of voter rowers. There you go,
Terry Shilling there, Thank you so much. I know you're
busy boy. Thank you so much for joining us here
on the Buck Sexton Show today. Hey, stay beautiful, raheem.
We love you always and forever, ladies and gentlemen. That
is the great Terry Shilling there. The phone lines here

(44:17):
are open eight four four nine hundred Buck eight four
four nine hundred two eight two five got so much
more fire throughout the show to bring you. Got Mike
Morrison up next. Who is or was the Alexandria Acassio
Cortez parody account aoc press on Twitter? Recently banned. You
may have seen me on Fox a couple of times

(44:39):
in the last week. You may have read some articles
on Human Events dot com. We are going after this
tech censorship issue in a mighty mighty big way, because
if we don't do it now, nobody's going to do
it for us, when we've all been bound and gagged
by our tech overlords in Silicon Valley right here in
California where I sit right now. This is the Buck

(45:01):
Sexton Show. We're gonna go to a quick break. When
we're back, Mike Morrison, I want more of your calls,
ladies and gentlemen, so get on the lines eight four
four nine hundred buck eight four four nine hundred two
eight two five. We'll be right back. Welcome to the
Buck Sexton Show. Rahemcasam here the global DNS from chief
of Human Events dot com. You can follow me on

(45:23):
Twitter at Raheem Kassam. It's r h E E M
K A S. S amm. My next guest is somebody
who you can't follow on Twitter anymore. Mike Morrison was
the account holder of a at aoc Press on Twitter,
as well as his own account office of Mike Mike.

(45:43):
Welcome to the show. Thank you, ahem, thank you for
having me on. Mike. I know, I know you're a
nervous person when it comes to media, But does my
voice soothe you that we've you know, we know each other.
I wouldn't say we're friends, but we know each other.
You don't feel nervous, do you? A well? But well,
well we'll go easy on you, Mike. This isn't it
got your interview? Um tell us, Mike, what was AOC

(46:08):
press on Twitter? And why did the geniuses in Silicon
Valley decide that you weren't allowed to have your account anymore?
Which was a parody of the left wing congresswoman Alexandra
Accassio Cortez. So anc Press was a Twitter account created
to mark the stupidity of AOC and to make jokes

(46:34):
and tweet about things which sounds like things that she
could have said. And Twitter seemed like that they saw
too many people were taking it from the real thing.
So despite it saying that it was a parody account
in two places, they decided that that wasn't enough and
it was still formed people because she is that dumb,

(46:56):
and they decided that time had to go. Wait, we
have to make very clear here that the Buck Sexton
Show does not institutionally believe that Alexandria A Cassio Cortez
is quote that dumb Mike Morrison, I think we might.
I think I just got the producer telling me I
think we might. Actually, I want to I want to

(47:17):
make very clear. I think she is. She is right
up there. She is. You know, she's one of the
that I can't even do it, Mike. You know, when
it comes to the tech censorship thing, Twitter claims to
accept parody, but as you say, you put parody in
your title of the account, it said aoc Press Brackett's parody,

(47:40):
and you also had it in the bio in the
biography of the account, so people couldn't have been under
the impression that it was anything but a parody account.
So why do you think this has happened? And give us,
if you can, a little bit of context around what
else has happened in the past couple of weeks, because
we've had many men, the right wingers who are banned

(48:02):
off Twitter, off Facebook, off Instagram. And it's not just them,
it's not just the big wigs, it's not just the
talking heads, it's not just the media personalities, ordinary people, right, like,
like honestly like yourself, Mike. You know you're not You're
not really a politics guy. You don't work in politics.
You're a private individual. You thought it would be funny

(48:23):
to start up a parody account. Just just talk to
us about all of that and and how that portends
for the American commitment to freedom of speech. So yeah,
I mean, let's trying already started a while back, like
you said, it started with people like Alex Stones, and
even a little bit before that with Milo and people

(48:43):
like that, and it's been going sort of like they're
starting at different levels. You know, they take someone radical
like Alex Stones, another controversial figure. This is the info
Wars host, Yeah, Alex Stones and for as a host,
and they picked them off, and then they slowly, slowly
moved down the list of people like less and less controversial.

(49:05):
You know. Then they went from the War rumor, and
then they went for Jacob Wall and then you know,
they're going down the list. And then they took my account.
I mean, anyone who knows me from Twitter knows that
I'm a pretty tame guy on Twitter. My only client
was that I was running a parody account. Mocking the
new Democratic Queen or the or the or the new

(49:27):
the new Disney princess of the Democrat Party. Mike, what
is the recourse when you when you get your account banned?
What steps can you take? So that's also the I
think the big problem of of what I think with
the social media censorship and stuff like that, that I
received a generic email stating that my account has been suspended. Now,

(49:51):
I spent two years on the platform, building up a following,
building up people who are interested in my content, and
then I ran a parody as well and built that
up as well. And I mean, the least that they
should do for someone who's added some sort of value
to their company, reach out to me, let me know
that I'm doing something wrong, let me know how I

(50:12):
can fix it. It's just like, without any warning, without
any communication, just an email, your account has been banned
and it will not be reinstated. That was the email
I received, and that when I opened it, they said
there was basically another generic email with a few extra
words thrown in there just to make it sound like
something different. This is happening to so many people at

(50:35):
the moment. As they say, Mike, it's not just people
who have big followings or big personalities in any way,
shape or form, And it feels a lot to me
like election meddling. It feels like the band hammer is
being wielded at a speed, at a rate that it
hasn't been over the last couple of years. It feels
like as we creep towards those twenty twenty elections, the

(50:57):
social media giants, whether they're doing it as as a
cartel where they're all coming together and thinking about these
rules themselves, or whether they're doing it alone or at
least by just sort of taking inspiration from one another,
it feels like this is to ensure that the president,
the president supporters, the president's messages can reach fewer and

(51:19):
fewer people as we get closer and closer to the
election next year. Would you would you agree with that?
And and you know, just talk a little bit about
the scale of this, because these people aren't people with
sort of ten thousand and twenty thousand followers. These are
people with hundreds of thousands and millions of followers out there,
and then they they have their followers retweet them and

(51:40):
there's a massive, massive filter effect as to how this
sort of goes goes out there to not just in
the United States, but but abroad as well. Yeah, you know,
a hundred percent spout out with that, and I've been
saying that, but I'm taking down my account. It wasn't
that large of an account. I had about sixty thousand
followers on my personal account. By them taking down just

(52:01):
that one account, they've done more election medaling than any
of those Russian baths that they claimed have been infiltrating
on social media to affect the outcome of the election.
And it's not going to stop. They've took me down,
and then they took down David Horwitz and they've reinstalled him.
They took him down again. And then Carpe Donctum, who's

(52:22):
I guess we could call him the Secretary of Memes
for the President, is this is the guy that makes
this is Well, let's just explain Carpe Donctum for people, Mike,
because not everybody is like you and you and me,
who is glued to our compusers and our phones all day.
Carpe Donctum makes these funny parody videos, these meme style
videos where he superimposes people's heads on other people from

(52:45):
movies and things like that, and it's it's actually got
to the point where carpe donctums memes. His videos have
been tweeted out by the President of the United States
before and had massive, massive, I mean hundred of thousands,
if not millions of impressions over the past couple of months.
They've suspended him too. Yeah, so they suspended his account.
And then that was after a quarter me with after

(53:07):
by the Klasenstein brothers, who are paid trolls control every
one of Trump's tweets. They went ahead and they had
all their followers mass report a mean video of Trump
doing something violent towards Jim A Class, who was the
White House correspondent for CNN. Well he didn't though, and
that's and that's entirely and that's entirely the point you

(53:30):
see you see the video in question here. And I
know this might sound sort of insular Internet talk to
a lot of people out there, but actually this is
one of the major communications message that helped President Trump
win in two thousand and sixteen, you know, going around
the mainstream media and going straight to the American people
with with with memes. Listen, Mike, we're at the end
of the segment here, so I've got to I've got

(53:51):
to love you and leave you. I'm afraid. But Mike,
since his ban has become a contribute to two human
events dot Com. We've had him write an article for
us about his band last week, and Mike, you're going
to be filing another one in the next day or
so with us as well. So Mike Morrison, thank you
so much for joining us. And make sure ladies and
gentlemen you look fund for that that opped by Mike.

(54:12):
Coming in the next few days is going to be legendary. Mike,
thanks again, thank you him for having me on. Yeah,
no problem always, And I just want to conclude that
thought is that this is election meddling. There cannot be
any confusion about this. Twitter, Facebook, Google, Instagram. I'm gonna

(54:33):
get into that a little bit more with you guys
as well, maybe the next segment. Stay tuned. This is
the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Raheem Gassam. We'll be right back.
He's back with you now, because when it comes to

(54:54):
the fight for truth, the fuck never starts. Welcome back
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live from Los Angeles. I'll give you my Twitter accounts
give my Twitter account and give me my my Facebook
page as well if you want to. If you want
to follow my work, it's raheem kassam R A L

(55:17):
L there's no L R A H E M K
A S S A M. Can find me on all
sorts of the social media type things. I think. I
hope we have a we have a caller on the line.
I want to go to line one. Um, let's let's
bring them in. Yeah, we have that from here. It's

(55:38):
Bill Bill from Oregon. Yes, Luci Bill, How are you
doing that for the left suffering from mathisteriod? Now? I
really feel they are yep, what what is? What is?

(56:00):
What is? What is pushing you to that conclusion right now?
But give me, give me, give me a punch list
of things that you think is hysterical? All right now?
It's gender identity m that's one of the latest one.
You know, man's hysteria is one step from insanity. And
these people have control of our governmental well, I mean,

(56:23):
you know we we I think a lot of us.
And I was in this movie. I don't know if
you saw a bill it was called Trump at War
that came out before the midterm elections. We were warning
in that movie and a very short movie you can
still find it online, that this is exactly the thing,
the type of thing that would happen if the Democrats
took control of Congress. Why Bill, did the American people
allow the Democrats to take hold of Congress knowing what

(56:46):
they knew then about what the what the agenda was
going to be? I mean, what do you have to
say about those people who put the Rashida Talabs and
the elan Omar's and the Alexander Occasio cortez Is and
keep it clean? Bill? But what do you have to
say to those people, your fellow countrymen and women? What
I think of them? They are like a pack of sheep.
They're just being led down this road? How do we

(57:09):
lead them back the other way? If if if I
said to you, Bill, you're in charge of the twenty
twenty Trump campaign, what does the first thing you would
do and have the president do to bring those people
back from the crazy brink. We have to get to
them somehow. We have to convince them what is going
on before it's too late? And and I think that's

(57:31):
a really important point, Bill, What does too late look like?
Is it this a quality act that we've been talking
about on the case on this show. Is it open borders?
You know, there's all sorts of these crazy things? Is
it the Green New Deal? Is all these crazy things
that Democrats are pushing right now? What does too late
look like? Because I get I've got to tell you,
I've got a lot of my American friends who thinks
think it's already too late. The road is already set.

(57:53):
But oh you but talking about the Green Deal? Okay,
people understand what the carbon adam actually it does in
the atmosphere. I don't think they do. It has a
purpose wide set. Go ahead, Bill, you're still with us.

(58:14):
I think we may have lost Bill there. Bill, I
appreciate the frustration. I mean it's a frustration. I think
a lot of people are feeling outside of the major
cities outside of Washington, DC, outside of New York, outside
of Los Angeles, which unfortunately are three of the cities
that I have to spend most of my time in.
But I sensed the frustration out there when talking to
ordinary people looking at this stuff. You know, they see

(58:35):
it on the nightly news and it's almost sort of
a like a rubbing your eyes. I can't believe this
is actually happening in my country sort of thing. And
I feel for you because, you know, I'm obviously, as
you can probably hear from my accent, not from here,
and we experienced this long ago. We're now at the
point where three year olds in our classrooms are being
taught about transgender issues. That's where that's where my country,

(58:56):
where Britain, is at the moment, and I feel the
pine of hearing people going, well, what on earth is
going on out there? And this is why I think
also the the home schooling issue is such as such
a big boon to not American conservatism. We've got to
get that out of our heads. It's not just the

(59:17):
right that thinks a lot of these things are nuts.
You know, there's a great swathe of people who identify
in the middle as independence on the political left who
also think that this is nuts. I mean, Dr Sheer
Garrison was telling us in the first part of this
show that they've got some revolutionary leftists who were joining
in their criticism of the Equality Act. The act that

(59:38):
would allow me to just walk into a women's changing
room and say I identify as woman. Now you're not
allowed to question me. So I think that there is
there is this strain of most of America, or at
least the bloody will hope there is that finds this
stuff repugnant and repulsive and reprehensible and regrettable. And that's
a lot of our words. I I so want to

(01:00:00):
talk to you guys a little bit about what we
left off just before the last break, just before we
had that great call from Bill. There we're talking about
with Mike Morrison, the digital staff, And this leads one
to the other, because I'll tell you something right now.
A couple of days before we were going to launch
relaunch the Human Events website. And for those of you
that don't know, it's the oldest conservative magazine in the

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country's seventy five years old. It was Reagan's favorite magazine
and we bought it at the beginning of this year,
my business partner, Will and I. We bought at the
beginning of this year. We were relaunching it on May
the first, and three days before, two days before the
launch the relaunch, Facebook banned me, suspended me rather for
three days, just conveniently as we're about to do a

(01:00:42):
massive push across all digital media for something that had
cost us a lot of time and a lot of money,
and we've gone to a lot of effort to bring
back this great conservative magazine. They suspended my account and
they suspended the account and they said it was because
I called somebody dumb and I went on Tucker Carlson
that night and we talked about it was great. You
can find out YouTube right. But then as the band

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rescinded after three days, I got a personal email. In fact,
I didn't plan to do this, but I'm going to
bring this email up in my email right now and
read it to you guys, because I think it's completely
extraordinary because it was unsolicited and it was from a
person at Facebook. Now, those of you who have contended
with an issue like this before, no, it's very difficult
to find someone at Facebook, a human being to interact with.

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And I'll read you this now. It's from a lady.
I'm not going to read an email. I don't want
people sending a hate mail or anything like that. It's
from a lady and she says unsolested. Remember, Hiraheem Hello.
We do not allow hate speech on Facebook because it
creates an environment of intimidation and exclusion, and in some
cases may promote real world violence. We define hate speech
as a direct attack on people based on what we

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call protected characteristics race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender,
gender identity, and serious disability or disease. We also provide
some protections for immigration status. We define attack as violent
or to humanizing speech, statements of inferiority, or calls for
exclusion or segregation. We separate attacks into three tiers of severity,

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as described below. Sometimes people share content containing someone else's
hate speech for the purpose of raising awareness or educating others. Similarly,
in some cases, words or terms that might otherwise violate
our standards are used self referentially or an empowering way.
When this is the case, we allow the content. We
expect people to clearly indicate their intent, which helps us
better understand why they shared it. Where the intention is unclear,

(01:02:31):
we may remove the content. We allow humor and social
commentary related to these topics. In addition, we believe that
people are more responsible when they share this kind of
commentary using their authentic identity yours blah blah blah and
what they got me on or what they thought they
got me on, what they sent to me back was
a screenshot of a comment I had made on my
page in two thousand and eight where it just says

(01:02:56):
men can't be women. So they pulled that back from
eleven years ago and said, gotcha, you intolerant bigot, you
may not use our platform. Well, I'll say it here,
men can't be women and Facebook can't suspend me. Here.
I actually sent them a very very snarky email bag,

(01:03:16):
which I'm minded to read you in the next segment. Yes,
I think, I think that's exactly what we're gonna do.
We're gonna save it for the next segment. It's very funny.
You're going to enjoy it. So make sure you don't
touch that dial, leather, knob, easel, whatever, newsle whatever you
call it. This is the Buck Sexton Show, Amrahemal. We're

(01:03:36):
gonna be right back after this short break. Welcome back.
It's the Buck Sexton Show. Is Raheim Cassalm broadcasting live
from Los Angeles. Here. Before the break, I was reading
for you an email that I got from Facebook. Quite
an extraordinary email, I thought, especially regarding protected categories, protected classes.
This is a and here's the thing. When we talk

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about this issue, lot of conservatives bulk because we're talking
effectively about perhaps potentially using some kind of antitrust laws.
We're using some kind of regulatory power, or at least
legislative power to stop this tech tyranny going on, and
it is a tyranny. Let's be very clear about this.

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Before I bring on a caller Felix in Pennsylvania, I
just want to set the stage here. Facebook has two
point three billion billion monthly active users. WhatsApp, which is
owned by Facebook, has one point six billion monthly users. Messenger,

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the Facebook messenger app, one point three billion monthly users.
Instagram growing but one billion monthly users. Now, that is
an awful lot of people using just one company to communicate.
Compare that in contrast that to their competitors in the market.
Snapchat two hundred and eighty seven million monthly users. Twitter

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only has three hundred and thirty million monthly users. Read it,
three hundred and thirty million monthly users, linked In three
hundred and three million monthly users, TikTok, the ones that
the one that kids are using nowadays five hundred million
monthly users. And the one that's sort of the big
one that isn't Facebook cone is YouTube. At one point
nine billion monthly active views, but a slightly different platform,

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a video platform, not a messenger or publisher in the
same sense. I want to bring in Felix on the
lines from Pennsylvania. Felix, you with us, Yes, Laura hem Hey,
it's a real pleasure to hear you. This is all mine.
Go ahead. I really want to throw some blame at
the Conservatives, you know, a lot. For a long time,

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they've been saying these companies, you know, they're private entities
and they have the right to do whatever they want.
I'm sorry, but to trample on your constitutional rights in
the Constitution through these cooperations, this should not be allowed.
Freedom of speech should be freedom of speech, you know,
and that should be protected. And the public platforms are
the only place that you could got. So another phone
company is going to be able to decide, you know,

(01:06:05):
what you can say over the telephone. That's basically the
same thing. And also too of this whole thing about
you know, deciding what's hate speech. I'm sorry. I think
freedom of speech is freedom of speech, and all right,
there's a lot of Felix, there's a lot to unpack there,
and I want to I want to get your thoughts
on more of it, because it sounds to me like
you've been following this issue for some time. Because let

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me tell you something, I share my frustration, the frustration
that you you so eloquently put it with conservatives on
this issue. You know, we have a lot of people
out there still saying, but raheem. These are private companies.
You can't expect them to let you use your their platform.
This is this is you know, you agree to the
terms of service, You agree to them harvesting all your

(01:06:47):
data and selling it on to other companies. You agree
to all of that, and you can't then expect anything
else in return. That's that's market capitalism. Felix, Let me
tell you something for everybody out there that thinks like that.
Would you, as Felix says, would you a standby and
let your phone company without incident? Would you let them
take you off the network because they listened into your

(01:07:09):
court and they didn't like something you were saying. Would
you allow a private corporation to own every road or
every public area in the United States and police who
can be there and who can say what they like
based on what they think, based on what their religious
affiliation is, or based on what their political affiliation is,
based on how they vote. You wouldn't. You wouldn't accept that.
And the digital square is no different from the public square. Yes, fine,

(01:07:34):
we started this, Go ahead, Felix. And you're know, well,
here's another one. You know, they're saying that employers can
decide that you know, they're going to get the Second Amendment,
that they will have the right now to hire you
if you own firearms, if you're exercising your constitution worm,
if you're exercising your constitution or right, you can be
fired from your job apparently now as well. Felix. We've

(01:07:55):
got to leave it there, but I thank you for
the great call. Phelix is absolutely right. I mean, and
I take so much, so much umbradge with people out
there who just want to roll over and die on
this issue, who just want to say, you know, we
lost this war, we lost the digital war. We're not
going to get these platforms back. We've got to go
and start our own platforms. Okay, cool, Why don't you

(01:08:18):
go and start your own Internet. Let me know how
that works out for you. Because this isn't about Facebook
or Google or YouTube or whatever. It's about what all
of them are together, and what all of them are
together are effectively the Internet, are effectively social media. Yes,
you can have little apps popping up here and there,
Parley and gab and all these ones. Yes they exist, fine,

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But when you get to the point where these guys
in conjunction with the financial services like Stripe and PayPal
and all of these other things, and MasterCard and the
processing payment services, and then you got Uber and Lyft
banning Laura Luma and Uber Eats spanning Laura Luma. I mean,
what threat does Laura Luma, this young conservative journalist, well

(01:08:59):
threat she posed to Uber eats if she wants to
get a falafel delivered to her house at three am
in the morning. What is that any business of theirs
to say we don't like your politics, therefore we're removing
you from our app. You know, that's how far it's
already gone. So to those people out there, and by
the way, I want to make a full and open
declaration on this show right now. I've never done it before,

(01:09:21):
but let me say something to you. I used to
say that. I used to say, these are private platforms,
there's nothing we can do about it. But there is
there's a lot we can do about it. You know,
Teddy Roosevelt trust busted when there was clear monopolistic, oligopolistic
cartilized power in the United States. Ronald Reagan wielded the

(01:09:43):
hammer of government when the telecommunications companies were becoming too big,
too unwieldy, and too hard to hold to account. So
let's not say that we can't do it, and let's
also not say that it isn't conservative to do it,
because what is conservatism. Cism isn't an ideology. It's not
this blind fealty to market forces and market values. And

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anybody who thinks it is has not picked up a
book that hasn't been written in the last twenty or
thirty years. And I suggest you go back through the
history and through the philosophy and epistemological roots of conservatism
and school yourself because listen, you are not going to
conserve anything if you allow these Silicon Valley nut jobs

(01:10:29):
to tell you what you can and can't say and
what you can and can't believe. Fundamentally, if you do that,
you are rolling over. And on that note, I want
to read you my reply email to this woman from Facebook.
I said, and I said, her name. In return, said
dear X, thank you for the clarification. I am curious

(01:10:49):
as to under which guys you are defining said post
as hate speech, particularly as you outline yourself that religious
affiliation is a protected category. You will note that my
original post was made into and eight. And here's the kicker, guys.
At the time, I was expressing a view based on
my Muslim faith, and I suppose you know back then
I probably was still, at least in some way of

(01:11:10):
practicing Muslim. I'm not anymore. For those wondering, your attack
on my religious beliefs can therefore be constituted as hate
speech themselves, can they not? Furthermore, you will note that
at no point have I called for the exclusion of anyone,
nor the persecution. Quite the opposite. My approach to this
issue is predicated on statistical information that reveals that those
of transpersuasions are no less likely to suffer depression and

(01:11:32):
suicide than those who do not adhere to a current
gender dysphoria proposition of changing their gender status. It would
logically follow, based on your suppositions, that Facebook's position is
both anti Islam and pro suicide. If that is the case,
I would be keen to know as with the world.
That was my letter to Facebook. This is the buck
Sexton Show. We'll be right back after this, prey buck
sextending the news and disseminating information with actionable intelligence. Make

(01:12:00):
no mistake, American, You're a great American. Again. This is
the Buck Sexton Show. Thomas Cia Analyst, Remember set no
welcome back. It's the Buck Sexton Show. I'm filling in
for Buck Sextons today. My name is Rheim Kasama, the
global editor in chief of human Events dot com. For

(01:12:22):
all your conservative magazine needs. I'll do a little bit
of a little bit of a plug for Human Events
as well. We had a great, great article today written
by our next guest, Dave Riboy, who's a good friend
of mine, fellow fellow at the Claremont Institute. Dave joins
us on the line now, Dave, thank you, Hello, Hello, Everyboddy,

(01:12:43):
Hey Dave. It's so great, so great to have you on,
not least because I think I'm now talking to the
new face, So the new anti face of chips ahoy,
is that right? There's there's what you called the cardboard
cookies in your article. Yeah, I mean it's I if
chip Sohoy decides that it wants to run a really

(01:13:04):
provocative new campaign. I guess, I guess I'm available. Tell people,
tell people, Tell people who haven't heard of this because
you were kind of trending, you were kind of viral
this morning. Um, having having seen this in fact, what
we're gonna do, Dave, just to tee this up. We're
gonna play clip sixteen, which is the advertisement that chips
Ahoy released for Mother's Day of a of a trans

(01:13:26):
person talking about buying chips ahoy for your mother for
Mother's Day. And then we're gonna we're gonna see how
old this played out. Let's play clip sixteen. Johanna, what
we celebrate today Mother's Day? And I am so thankful
to have a mother like mine who supports me through
all my craziness and loves on me and buys me
chips Ahoy cookies. Should we do original everything under the
side of my mom knows I love my cookie, So

(01:13:48):
get those cookies. And what's the sweet jest so for
you to do to your mama, your real mama, your
dragon mama. What's you have a mama? Somebody whoever take
care of you, whoever you feel or consider your mama.
It's to day today. Get them a cookie too, a
pack bottom on it. It's ahoys in the world, I
don't know, but get some milk. Get us some milk too.
You can't buy the cookie about some mail, Connie, get

(01:14:08):
those cookies. It's Mother's Day, it's time to celebrate. Love
on it cookies. Get them. And if you don't, how
are you going to celebrate Mother's Day? It's the new chocolates.
I don't think I'll be buying chips. Ahoy? After that?
Was that really? Like? What the heck? Seriously, what the

(01:14:28):
heck was that? And who was that marketed towards? So? Right? Right?
Will you tell you? Tell me? You tell me you're
the American cookies? Cookies are in your constitution, right, I'm
pretty sure they're in the Declaration of Independence? Dave? What
was that about? Look I got I saw that and
immediately I thought to myself, you know what, I just
I want to do some kind of protest against this.

(01:14:51):
Um this uh, this kind of folke advertising bs, which
which is um it's kind of a trend now um
it's it's it's almost like um, it's almost like ad
companies and UM and and corporations have have just kind
of um, have have just gone rogue and decided, you
know what, um, you know, let's give the middle finger

(01:15:13):
to our customers and let's just cater exclusively to you know,
ultra woke progressives and um and generate controversy by by
doing things like this, by by provoking you know, the
average the average person. UM. I'm not saying that, uh,
chips Ahwaii needs to do a you know, a wholesome

(01:15:35):
Norman Rockwell American a Mother's Day ad. No, I'm not.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying, like,
you know, I mean, why why do you need to
shove to shove a drag queen down the throat of
and you know, frankly, a semi literate drag queen with
all these kind of absurd affectations that that that you know,

(01:15:56):
that that make no sense to me, But I guess
that makes sense to someone. And sorry, I just I well,
on Madison Avenue, you know, everyone dresses in cross dressing anyway,
and I realized that on this show already, I've said
two incorrect things because a drag queen isn't a transgender
right and so and I describe this person's transgender but
apparently this is just drag. And then I just said

(01:16:17):
cross dressing, which I imagine is totally offensive and beyond
the pale, and that the lapd will be turning up
at my hotel room tonight to to take me in
as it were. Dave, Dave, how far does this need
to go? Because there's this I'm gonna I'm gonna say,
I'm gonna say something like, maybe a little controversial here,
but I think I think it was a better country when, um,

(01:16:39):
when we did not have to know, we were not
required almost by law, um to know the difference between
trans drag, um, cross dresser, etc. You know, I mean,
all this, all this terminology. Hey, if people want to
use this terminology, that's fine. That people want to know
what it is, that's fine. But um, but setting the

(01:17:01):
bar at being in polite, acceptable society, virtuous society as
having to kind of know and understand and embrace these things,
I think it's wrong. And your article, your article on
human events today, I remember the line that made me
before the most was close to the end the penultimate paragraph,
you said, interestingly, the gradual cultural normalization of what was

(01:17:25):
once the province of fetish and kink has accelerated, and
rather than making culture more interesting and provocative, it's made
these wants taboo things utterly dull, commercialized and gratingly performative.
And I think that was that was the kicker, because
you've had Gillette doing it, You've had other companies doing it,
and you know, there's an old Latin saying, Dave get
go broke. When are these companies going to start seeing

(01:17:48):
the bottom line eventualities of doing this stuff? Well, I
don't know. I mean, it's got to come soon. It
really has to come soon, because because they all seemed
to be complete, um, they all seem to be completely um,
you know, off the off the deep end until I mean,
you know how these things go. You know, it goes
forever until it doesn't and then and then you know,

(01:18:10):
and then you might you may see a see a ship.
But I think really they're they're they're so impervious to
what the average person thinks because they see they see
they see us. Frankly, they see us as the animals
that uh, you know, who are um, who are not
even fit to hold an opinion. You know, if we
disagree with if we disagree with the most um, you know,

(01:18:32):
you know, quote unquote forward thinking, progressive, radical, um, you know,
social cultural policy, then then we're we're haters, and we're
vicious and evil and and we shouldn't even you know,
we we shouldn't even be given a platform in which
to speak. So so of course they're not even going
to listen to our objections or the objections of most
of their customers. They'll they'll discounted entirely. UM. I mean,

(01:18:54):
what what this says about the future, I'm not sure.
I think. I mean, I'm confident there will be a
be a you know, some kind of backlash when this
just gets to be too much, because it is of
a piece with d platforming, It is of a piece
with censorship, um and um and a sense that I
mentioned the Caitlin Jenner episode in UM in the Peace

(01:19:15):
also because I really think that that sort of that
was a turning point in twenty sixteen, I think early
twenty sixteen where kind of culturally we went from thinking
that the trans thing was a kind of weird, niche
thing that that you know, people did, um and and
kind of overnight the media tells us that if we

(01:19:36):
don't embrace this as the most wonderful um, you know,
evolution in society. Then then we're some then we're monsters. Um.
I think immediately a lot of people sort of looked
around and they thought, what just happened to my country?
And what just what just happened to you know, more importantly,
like what just happened to my you know, Western civilization?

(01:19:58):
And U well, you're not allowed to say that. No, no,
you no, sure, you're certainly not allowed to say Western civilization.
That's that's that's needlessly provocative. And you know, on the
one hand, they tell us that it's the most evil
thing in the world to say. On the other hand,
they tell us that it doesn't exist and it never did. Well, no,

(01:20:18):
and on the third hand, because you know, if you
can if a man can be a woman, and I
can have a third hand on the third hand, it's
a better than a third leg if on the third hand,
that dave you. You've also got them saying, well, we've
got to let all these immigrants move to the West
because the West is much better and safer and they
get more rights and all of that. Well, you know

(01:20:39):
that came about because Western civilization came first in realizing
that we weren't supposed to slaughter each other on mass
and that we weren't supposed to, you know, oppress each other.
It's probably not a good idea to throw gay people
off the top of buildings and all of that stuff, right,
And and we're there and they still are in denial
about all of it. Right. Yeah. Look, I mean, you know,

(01:21:02):
it's nothing lasts forever, and Dave, we got to We've
got to leave it there. I'm sorry I ranted a
little bit too long, but Dave, help tell people where
they can find your work, where they can where they
can tweet at you and support you and all of
that stuff. You can find me at Dave reeboy R
d A V E R E A b R I
on Twitter, and you can see my most recent piece

(01:21:24):
at human Events, um my most recent last two pieces
of human Events. And then you can also see me
at the Federalist and its security studies. Out of work.
Thank you, Dave or Boy. This is the Buck Sexton Show.
My name's Raheim Gassam. I'm joined now in studio by
good buddy of mine, Matt Peterson from the Claremont Institute.
We're gonna go to a quick break before we bring

(01:21:46):
matt in form more and more cultural commentary and cutting wit.
We'll be right back. Welcome back. This is the Buck
Sexton Show. I'm Raheim Gassam. They had in chief, global
editor in chief, sorry, pardon me of Human Events dot
Com joined in our makeshift studio. It acs you pretty nice,

(01:22:07):
pretty clean studio here in Los Angeles? Is it is
this los Angeles? Is this still Los Angeles? You're in
the greater Los Angeles, Los Angeles area. Then let me
tell you something I walked around a bit earlier. There's
nothing greater about it. This is Shermon Oaks, Sherman Oaks, Um,
Matthew Peterson. Do you prefer Matthew or matt matt is fine?
Matt is fine? What about Matthews? Matthew not fine? Matthew

(01:22:29):
was good too. Is the vice president of education at
the Claremont Institute. And the editor is an editor or
editor in chief. It's you know, I don't go with
this global editor type thing, but but it is, yes,
editor in chief. I guess you could say domestic editor
in chief. Then of the American Mind, which is a
great new publication of the Claremont Institute. And full disclosure.

(01:22:52):
I'm a Lincoln Fellow at the Claremont Institute. It's American
Mind dot org, where they postum some of the most
thoughtful articles you'll ever read. But also I'm led to
believe some of the spiciest articles based on what you're
telling me. What you're telling me in the break about
what you've been publishing today. We'll come to that in
just a second. I know we've got a caller on
the line, Josiah in Maryland, who wants to have his say. Josiah,

(01:23:15):
you're welcome to the show. Oh we lost Josiah. Josiah,
if you're out there, if you're still listening, give us
a callback. We're very keen to take points, counterpoints, whatever
you've got for us. Matt, I guess that throws it
to you. You highlighted for me this American Mind article
of creed and culture in clown World, written by the

(01:23:35):
pseudonymous Andrea Yang for the American Mind dot org. Tell
us about this article, is it? What are you talking about?
This is a young conservative, someone who is was a
young conservative, someone who's obviously very intelligent, who works within
the swamp and is writing an article in response to

(01:23:56):
a conversation on American mind about creed and culture, and
and what we were talking about was you both need
a healthy culture and that informs the creed or what
you think the principles and purposes of your political life
are right and vice versa. Those things interact with each other.
And so so this article is someone who's younger saying, look,

(01:24:17):
the right has has to acknowledge that it's essentially failed,
it has not achieved its goals. And now we live
in a kind of clown world in which in which
there's you know, it's a it's a it's a bunch
of fun house mirrors everywhere you look, and it's very
hard she says, as for me as a young person
to take it serious and so uh. And so she

(01:24:38):
ends up advocating for a radical rethinking of policy and
in a way that I think is controversial to too
many of us. We were talking about this with David
boy earlier in the in the hour, talking about how
we've got to this point now where and because I
mislabeled something the chips Ahoy cross dresser who was advertised

(01:25:00):
cardboard cookies from Mother's Day, that's that's a cross dresser,
and I said trans and apparently they're not the same thing.
And so you know, it's that's what the what do
you call it? The Hall of mirrors is about? Right, Like,
I'm confused on a daily basis now. And by the way,
if I meet someone in the street, and I've got
no problem, like you know, meeting a trans person and

(01:25:22):
shaking their hand is going about my day. I don't
care what you want to do, right, But if I
meet them and I wrongly label them or miss gender them,
or call them a cross dresser or a transvesti or whatever,
I'm in some real trouble now. I mean in Canada,
i'd be in real, real trouble. I'd be in legal trouble, right,
But that's coming here to America. That's you know, the

(01:25:42):
Equality Act that Democrats are trying to pass at the moment.
Basically undergods all of that with legislation. Yes, yeah, So
what you have is is is clown world to be enforced, right,
multiculturalism officially, and of course by that term, they don't
mean many cultures coming together as one. They mean something

(01:26:03):
very different. And what she says in this piece I
think is instructive. This is an American mind dot Org.
She says, clown world is used to describe instances of
abasement that at any other point in history to any
person of dignity would be regarded as incomprehensible, incomprehensibly evil,
or stupid, so outrageous they must be a joke. So

(01:26:23):
she says, state enforced sexual transition, hormones for children, right,
drag Queen story hour, voting rights for terrorists, and says
this is Aristophanes with a shot of Nietzsche, some classical
allusions to those who still read old books. But then
she goes on to complain that you have woke capital, right,
you have these supposed this supposedly neutral free market in

(01:26:45):
which mainstream and powerful institutions, banks and airlines, etc. Are
all getting in on political correctness and enforcing this kind
of dogma on the rest of us. And I think
what's what's especially hateful to me about it is that
is that the implication is if you don't keep up
with all these fads, you somehow don't love your fellow citizens, right,
whereas the other side would say, no, we are one

(01:27:07):
and we're equal as citizens. That's that's how we should
all be interacting on that basis and not any other.
That's how it used to be. And I've got to
tell you that, you know, the European situation. How when
was the last time you're in Europe, Matt? It was
the can Film Festival and twenty fourteen. Ever, Oh wow,
I wish I wish I could say the same, not
least because I haven't been to can and that I've
been back to both the UK and Europe in the

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last year on multiple occasions, and it's not getting better.
The tooth based cannot be put back in the tube now,
you know, once this stuff has been enshrined, as they're
trying to do, as the Democrats are trying to do
with the Equality Act right now, once this stuff has
been tried, there is literally no way to say, actually,
we're reversing that trend. We no longer have to legally

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recognize all that way. It's just not possible, right. And
it's the same argument, unfortunately, that I hear from time
and time again from social conservatives. They say, oh, well,
you know, we've got to reverse the Same Sex Marriage Act.
Good luck with that. There is simply no national appetite
for it. Yeah. Look, I think that I think there's
a there's a number of things going on. I mean,
all of this stuff should be hashed out politically, right,
we should debate as a people what we think certain

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the legal structure of the land should look like. So, uh,
you know, there should be lots of deliberation and debate
about controversial issue issues, especially to do with sexuality. But
but I do think that there's a there's a danger
here in enforcing this kind of thing from on high.
And I think there's many on the left to understand this.
When you when you rush to enforce things with say

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court decisions, you haven't organically changed everyone's mind. So I
would say, you see among among Generation Z kids right,
a very interesting difference. They haven't they haven't gone through
the normal brainwashing of the mainstream media and watch cable
TV and etcetera their old lives, and they think a
little differently, sometimes radically, on these subjects. So I think

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there's a conversation they say radically, Actually, yeah, it's not.
It's actually considered they think conservatively. You know. The radical
thing to me is forcing me to know somebody's twenty
different gender pronouns that they want to use on the
twelve different occasions I meet them. But these guys are
actually returning to a little bit of orthodoxy as regards um,

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you know, rights are concerned, Natural rights are concerned. And
in the United States, of course, your constitutional values and rights,
whereas the the you know, the radical and and here's
the funny thing about it, Matt, and we've got we've
got just sixty seconds before we got to we've got
to go to break again. But I just I can't
tell if it's because America doesn't really consume news from

(01:29:37):
elsewhere in the world, because it doesn't, you know, frankly,
it's not I'm not making a value judgment over that.
It just isn't something that Americans typically tend to do.
I can't tell if it's that or if it's just
sort of this lack of dacicle. Yes, we'll survive any way,
regardless as to whether or not things like the Equality
Act pass. That means people don't get up in arms
about this, because let me tell you something, if I

(01:29:58):
was listening to this show, this radio show right now,
I'd be thinking, Wow, what a magnificent accent that Chap has.
But I'd also be thinking, I want to call my congressman.
I want to call my senators. I want to stop
this from happening, and it just seems that there's not
much of that going on right now. That's the music,
you know. I like the sound of my own voice, Matt.
So I'll just talk us out here. Yeah, I'm used

(01:30:18):
to it. I'm used to it. We're gonna have you
for the next half an hour as well, so you're
gonna have plenty of time to have You'll say, this
is the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Rahem causam. We'll be
right back. He's back with you now, because when it

(01:30:40):
comes to the fight for truth, the fuck never stops.
Welcome back, It's the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Raheem disam.
Joined in studio by Matt Peterson, the vice president of
Education at the Claremont Institute and the editor of American
Mind dot org. Got it, got it perfect, Matt. Welcome

(01:31:00):
to the show. Great to be welcome back to the show.
You were here in the last segment too. It's still
great to be here. You were supposed to be here
thirty minutes ago. You broke the bro code. It's great
to be here now, Matt. The reason I'm in town.
One of the reasons I'm in town one of the
one of the two reasons I'm in town one of
the three if you count the women. One of the
three reasons I'm in town is I was attending the

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Claremont Institute's fortieth anniversary Garla dinner on something night Saturday. Yeah,
all of them blend into one for me now at
the moment, you know, long l a night. Man, it's
just like, you know, this looks West Palm Beach. I'm here,
and I'm there, and I'm in DC and it's all
hot and sticky and muggy, and it's just everything is
now just one for me. So I was there on

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a night and Mike Pompeio, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
was the keynote speaker, which is quite a good get.
So muz Altov in the first in the first order
on that conversation. But I want to get into what
Secretary Pompeo said with you right now, because actually he
he gosh, I don't know how to quite say this.

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He flabbergasted a lot of the audience with his real
conservative wokeness. I think, yes, I think there has been
some concern and consternation on the political right that Mike
Pompeo has been chasing, this intervention in Venezuela, for instance.
But tell us a little bit about the standout moments
for you in that speech, and and then I'll tell
you min Okay, sure. So first off, this this was

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the fortieth anniversary gallo right in Beverly Hills for the
Claremont Institute, which exists to promote the principles of the
American Founding in American political life today. As you might imagine,
that's a difficult task. And the Claremont Institute is based
in southern California to boot. So this was our big
fortieth and to have the Secretary of State there was
a great honor of Victor Davis. Hansen was MC. It

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was fantastic evening. But I think he actually really broke
some news. Right. He gave an account for a Trumpian,
if you will, foreign policy that was much less interventionist,
I think than some of us might have thought. So
he said that America after the Cold War quote, had
become unrestrained, untethered from common sense. That he said, the

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institutions that we built to defend ourselves against the Soviet
Union had drifted from their mission, right, um, and uh,
And he said we ended up we bought into the
trade agreements. He said that helped hallow out our own
middle class. We sacrificed American competitiveness for accolades from the
UN and climate activists, and we engaged in conflicts without
a clear sense of mission. And then he said no more. Right. So,

(01:33:30):
so I think that was that was very interesting. I
believe that Walter Mead already is written on this, and
the Wall Street Journal is saying this is about as
comprehensive a statement you you might get or that's been
written so far about Trump's foreign policy. Right. And he
did say, quote, how about restraint. The Founders sought to
protect our interests but avoid adventurism. And I think that

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was a very important part of the speech. It had me,
you know, and you know what I'm like of these
gladen is you know, I'm just trying to find where
the balls of wine exactly what. But it even had
me sort of at the age of my seat going, well,
hold on a minute. This is very interesting because as
the as the world waits with bated breath, um to
to see what America does about Venezuela, you have the

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Secretary of State, the country's foremost diplomat, saying no to
to military adventurism. Yeah. I think that I think that
that is heartening for many of us who would like
to see a reform of American foreign policy after the
last fifteen twenty years. And uh, there's certainly a you know,
you Davor boy on earlier. I mean, he's no stranger

(01:34:34):
to these this sort of discussion. I think that it was.
It was a welcome talk. They were welcome comments from
from many of us from the Secretary of State, um
and and a real rejection of the kind of you know,
globalism and the worst possible sense. And he was funny
throughout that. I didn't think he was going to be funny,
but he was funny as well. Yes, I want to
I want to pivot real quick to a couple of

(01:34:55):
the other issues he raised, one of them being, um,
the Google censorship, right, the claim on institute itself experienced
ahead of the Galla dinners. So you just explain you
were trying to advertise ticket sales on Google and they
stopped you because of this essay on the site. Yeah.
So we we we have this essay on the site

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called defend America defeat multiculturalism, which right away gets people's attention,
what are you talking about? But what it's about is
is how identity politics and political correctness are a very
serious foe right now. They're actively destroying America. And one
of the main problems we have is that they want
to crush any kind of speech or dissent by saying

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it is off, it's off the books. Right, this is
this is unacceptable, and this is acceptable, and we get
to determine what's acceptable and not right. So that's part
of the speech. Our president, Ryan Williams wrote this essay.
It launched our campaign against multiculturalism going into the twenty
twenty election. So anyway, we put this essay up and
you know, we promote it, and we wanted that's on
the site. But what we really wanted to promote was

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then we just had on Saturday in Beverly Hills with
the Secretary of State. So the way Google works is
you go to them and you say, look, I want everyone.
They're tracking everything we do, right, they know everything about us.
They track who goes to what website. So you say, look,
I have this website and I'd like you to advertise
everyone who goes to this website for our gala dinner.
So please advertise all the audience of the American Mind,

(01:36:22):
everyone who visits the American events behold them. That's six
billion people exactly, and growing, I mean and growing, and
with the pronatalist policies that I want us to adopt,
they'll be even more. It's like human events were billions, billions, billions.
So American Mind dot org, right, we advertise for it.
For we advertise the readers of the site for the
fortieth anniversary gala with Secretary Pompey. When we get an

(01:36:43):
email from Google and it says, I'm sorry, we can't
advertise to readers of this site because this site violates
our policy on racial grounds. So we ask, after two
hours with a large conglomerate, what exactly does it violate? Right,
it violates the see because it's racially or ethnically orientated content.

(01:37:04):
We called it. We said, is there any way to
appeal this? And the lady on the phone said no,
And so then uh Laurel does digital work at her office.
She called again and the second time she heard that
as they looked at the site. Though there's many, many
potential violations, all over the American Mind. It's it's violations
all over the place, right, and so so we thought, well,

(01:37:25):
this is ridiculous. I mean, how can it be racially
or ethnically orientated when our argument, in fact is against
race based politics and tribalism. Yeah, well, hold on a minute.
The name of the site though, the American Mind. That's
kind of bigoted, in xenophobic. Well you know, what about
the what about the Tonguan mind? You know, why don't
you have a subcategory for for the Nepalese mind? Yes,
you know, the Madagascon mind and for the more I mean,

(01:37:48):
isn't isn't mind? I mean kind of discriminatory. I mean
it's disable. What about those who don't have a mind? Exactly?
It's it's a disabled list. You're you're offending people, this
is true, who are vegetables and cannot think, you know,
for themselves. This is outrageous. Yeah, you've got to change
the website to just the dot org okay, and put
on it exactly what Google wants us to put up, yes,

(01:38:10):
which is just a link to Google. So so I'll
finish this story, right. I mean, we put out we
question twice and we get nowhere. There's no appeal, and
there's many violations. But Ryan wrote an article. We put
it up on the American Mine and within forty within
twenty four hours, Google had called us up and said,
you know, we apologize. This was a mistake somewhere down
the line all a big mistake. Mistakes were made, Mistakes

(01:38:34):
were made. You know, they do this with me all
the time, and earlier on and you heard me read
that Facebook email. How you've been through it multiple I've
been through it multiple times, and every single time it's
either oh it was a mistake or oh it's only
a temporary thing. You'll be all right, pat on the head,
off you go. But there are there are hundreds and
dare i say thousands of people who want a daily

(01:38:54):
basis across America having their accounts band for expressing moderate
even conservative opinions. And there are big names and people
with millions upon millions of followers or millions in reach
who are becoming you know, who are being slaughtered off
these platforms. Is this election meddling? Well say I would,
I would put it. I can go to break. I'm

(01:39:18):
not just gonna say whatever you want me to say.
Google clearly clearly, anytime you manipulate the media that has
that has an impact on elections. And I think what
the Republicans need to understand, as my new friend Harmy
Dylan says a lawyer on this issue, is very good.

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They have the power to make sure you never win
a national election again. Yeah, I mean that power actually exists, right,
So the question is how is that power going to
be used? And at the very least, there's all kinds
of complications here and things that we might do to
solve this problem. But at the very least, we have
to push back and help people push back when they
are silenced. And if we don't that, I mean, it's

(01:40:01):
it's it's going to move in one direction, and we
know what direction that is. In any event, it was
great that the Secretary of State actually made in our
hand remark. You know, this is this is actually really good.
We've got to do this more in the in the future.
I've got to fly out to a later co host
radio show. Yes, so this is this is top quality banter,
political banter at its finest. Matt Peterson, the Vice Vice
president for Education at the claimant issue, maybe better after

(01:40:22):
a drink, well suit up. Yeah, suit up because we'll
be we'll be drinking later tonight in in Los Angeles
somewhere in an undisclosed location and an underground bunker. Um.
And you're also the editor of American Mind dot org.
We're going to go to a break now, and in
that break, I expect everyone, especially if you're not driving,
in fact, only if you're not driving, to go to
American Mind dot org and check it out. It's an

(01:40:44):
absolutely fantastic website and I wholeheartedly endorse what Matt and
the team are doing over there. Quick break. Now, when
we come back, Matt and I are going to maybe debate,
but what we're going to talk about is we talked
about the problem. What is the solution to this tech
censorship thing? Because I am tired of these boomers establishment
conservative in conservatives going you can't touch the free market

(01:41:04):
the Facebook, it's a private company. We're gonna we're gonna
dissect that right here on the Buck Sexton Show. I'm
Raheem Kassam. That's Matt Peterson. Stay tuned, Welcome back to
the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Raheemcasalm, editor in chief of

(01:41:25):
Human Events dot com, filling in for Buck Sexton in
the Los Angeles department of the Freedom Hut, joined in
studio by Matt Peterson, the editor of American Mind dot Org. Matt,
thanks for thanks for being here. It's it certainly takes
the takes the weight off my shoulders to have an
erudite and grandiloquent American bolding. Love hearing that, you know, ladies, gentlemen,

(01:41:52):
I always like to make sure that we thank all
the producers and the production staff and everybody at the
studios here for helping us make sure this broadcast goes fantastically.
So thank you to Mike and all the team in
New York. This this, this whole thing is such a
palava to put together when we're all on the road. Um,
And I'm just very very grateful for them, and I'm

(01:42:13):
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that's a that's a Weezer line. It's from the song

(01:42:34):
the Greatest Man That Ever Lived? Did you know that? Wow? Yeah,
you know. I was thinking of an earlier song from
a long time ago. Take this job and show it,
you know, classic kind of country and Western. And Weser
also wrote the song Beverly Hills, which is where I've
spent the last couple of days. So just bringing it
full circle, that is correct, like any great radio host does. Yes,
ties together exactly latest news and last a couple of hours,

(01:42:55):
Richard Burr relents on the Trump Junior subpoena, agrees to
strict limits on scope and the length of the interview.
So it looks like all the pressure that Conservatives put
on Senator Richard Burr over the last few days paying
off for Donald Junior, who's already spent hours upon hours
upon hours testifying front of the Senate Intelligence Committee. And
of course, yesterday the great news that came out Bill

(01:43:16):
Barr appointing a prosecutor to examine the origins of the
Russia conspiracy theory probe. I have a feeling things are
going to get very, very difficult for Jim Comey and
Clapper and even Barack Obama to some extent with the
with you know, how how much did the President of

(01:43:37):
the United States at the time know was going on
with regard this this These fires are warrants? What was
going on all there? So really really sort of sexy
and interesting times in American politics. And I've got to
tell you, Matt, and I wonder if you feel the
same way. I am kind of getting tired of winning. Yeah,
I love this tiredness. Then I love this kind of
tired We need more of it. And the slow, inexorable

(01:44:01):
turn of the collusion the story has been really a
wonderful thing to witness and see right, I mean, we
crossed a point of diminishing returns after the Mulla report,
and now you see the wheels starting to come off.
And as long as the right thing happens, which is
that pressure is put on this story, that the Attorney
General goes after it, you're going to see all kinds

(01:44:22):
of good results. I mean, I like to say that
these days, CNN is the Ivy League version of info Wars.
I mean, you know, we're at the point at which
mainstream media is peddling all kinds of wild stories and
they're going to pay for it. Ratings wise in the
next two years, just to bring us back to something
we're not winning on at the moment. It appears to
be the tech and digital media stuff, right. And we

(01:44:44):
talked before the break about the free markets response to this.
Where where do you stand? I don't know if you
speak for the Clamalton Institute when you talk about this,
but where do you stand Matt Peterson on this issue?
How do you address the sort of mainstream conservatives like
Ben Shapiro who go out there and say you don't
have a right to platform access? Yeah, well, well I

(01:45:06):
can speak I mean both as vice president of education
at the Claremont Institute, where we have these wonderful fellowships
where we do educate elite leaders, and as an editor
of The American Mind. I think this is an important
discussion that needs to happen. It's a complicated issue. And
if you'd simply say, oh, no, there's nothing you can do,
it's a private company, I think you're living in a
fantasy world. I mean, I don't know what kind of

(01:45:27):
you know, cartoon world it is, where oh, there's just
free markets and these businesses do whatever they want. No. No,
At the very least you'd have consumer unions, right, I mean,
I've been talking to some friends about this. At least
you'd have a nonprofit that holds these people accountable. But
there's all kinds of legal regulation all throughout permeating this
supposably free market. And you know, we need to take

(01:45:49):
this very seriously. Yeah, Conservatives haven't actually done a great
job of keeping regulation out of a lot of markets,
but on this one they seem to be drawing a line.
And I don't mean people like you and I we're
the good conservatives. I mean I mean the ones who
are are clinging on to this sort of Koch Brothers mentality,
Cato Institute permeated. You know, we've just got to take

(01:46:11):
our lumps on digital media. They don't seem to be
assailing other regulations as firmly or at least supporting this.
This stuff is as anywhere else, doesn't make logical. You know,
are they in the pay of these people? I don't
know what's going on. They're scared of Facebook. I'm there's
a few things going on. I mean, one is certainly
there are legitimate, you know, questions about you wouldn't say,

(01:46:34):
for instance, oh, we'll just solve this problem by having
the government regulate everything, right. I mean, that's not a
viable solution either. There's legitimate concerns about regulation. But it
is true that some people treat this issue differently because
there's a lot of tech money that goes to conservatives.
That is part of it. And also it's a it's
an ideological thing. They're stuck in the nineteen eighties kind

(01:46:55):
of rhetoric and they're not looking at the present day reality.
Old rhetoric doesn't meet today's reality. An example would be
example would be John at Goldberg writing a piece saying, well,
we wouldn't complain about newspapers if they didn't have any
conservative calumness. It's like this is a completely different thing.
They're not. They could call themselves not publishers. Right. I
wish we had more time to discuss this. May We're

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