May 29, 2019 • 55 mins
Ben and Ashley hop on for a quick recap of last night’s episode of The Bachelorette! We try to figure out what the deal is with Luke P, after he professed his love and then said he was ready to leave.
We break down the more controversial figures from Hannah’s contestants and see who we like now that it’s been a few weeks.
Plus we discuss the comparison people are making between Ben and Pilot Pete!
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Almost Famous podcast with i R Radio. It's week three
of Hannaby season on the Bachelorette. This is the almost
Famous podcast. I'm Ben and my cost Ashley I kenn
Eddie because she's so cool, so popular, so famous and
so good at hosting thing. She's actually on her way
as I speak from Access where she's breaking down the
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Bachelor at So come in here live to this podcast
and we'll break it down together. I guess that's what
happens when you're super cool and super wanted, you have
a multiple things going on at one time. Uh, if
you're confused on while those two episodes, this week, we
had the opportunity, uh thanks to a lot of people,
to interview Hannah be on The Almost Famous podcast, and
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we we released that episode early so all of you
could kind of get a taste of who she is
as a person and how what her thoughts are going
into the season. But we obviously could not go a
week without breaking down the episode, and that's why we're
doing this podcast. That's why we're doing this release, So
make sure you go back and check out Hannah By's interview.
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We also have a couple in depth interviews that recently
came out. I'm gonna speak for ashly here. These in
depth episodes have been some more our favorite things to do. Uh.
They're meant to just dig into the lives of the
people that we know and love best from the franchise
and and not a bachelor maybe type of way. We
want to really fear who they are as people. Hear
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who they want to be, who they're becoming, and who
they are post show and who they were pre show
um and also talk about how great the show maybe
it was for them or how hard it was for him.
We have a couple of really great episodes that have
been released and a couple of really great ones coming out,
and make sure you're staying tuned. The Almost Famous podcast
is growing and expanding, uh and it has been a
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blast so far. So without further ado, we wait for
Ashley to get into studio. I want to give a
little breakdown so far up my thoughts on Hanna be
if you remember right, we go back to before the
season once Hannah By was announced to The Bachelor, I
think it was on Colton Underwood's very last episode or
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she was announced with The Bachelor, I should say, and
there's mixed opinions felt I will say after this week,
I think I'll say it, this may be the best
Bachelorette season that we've seen as far as entertaining, engaging, intriguing,
and a really long time now, we've had some amazing
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bachelorette Actually, we talked about it, I think two months
ago where I can't name one bachelorette that wasn't good
that we didn't enjoy or appreciate. Um, but Hannah Bees
right there, up there with them. I mean, she's responding
well to the difficult situations. She's clear and honest in
her approach towards the men. She's not letting any of
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the men walk all over her um and she's not
walking all over them. She's approaching this thing like a partnership.
But also she's being an incredible lead. So so far,
the Almost fame As podcast is giving Hannah by a
very high grade and giving this season a very high grade.
I'm actually really enjoying watching this season. I can't say
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that about every season. You all know that I've talked
about it before. Sometimes I just I just stopped. I
stopped watching, I stopped participating, and I come onto this
podcast and kind of learn what's happening on the season
from Ashley because she will always be a fan. This season,
I've been fully engaged and in tune and I have
some really strong opinions on what's happening, as I know
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Ashley does as well. Before Ashley gets in the studio,
I'm gonna take the opportunity to really break down who
I think are the most captivating fellas from this season.
When actually comes in, we'll break down the episode as
a whole. But I want to spend some time talking
about some of the standouts, some of the people that
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we are seeing the most of. I want to start
with Cam because obviously we know that Cam was now
let go uh during the road ceremony this week, Cam
hit the scene. If we remember, right when we first
met Hannah By as the bachelorret he came into studio
live and got her first very first rows of the season.
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He were apped, it was cute, it was sweet. He
was a fan favorite from the beginning. But ever since then,
we have yet to see a side of Cam that
I think, how I say this, uh maybe is relatable.
Also it's a little bit confusing. I want to ask
Ashley her thoughts on his story that he shared. Hey,
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I want to stop here, and unlike Twitter last night,
I actually really appreciate Cam sharing his story now I
do think and I was watching with a group of
people and I want to hear all your opinions, so
please Emails have been in actually at at my heart
meati dot com. But there's a time and a place
to share these stories. It's an interesting dynamic on the
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Batchman Batchlorrette where it's it's it's almost like speed dating
right there, there's a limit amount of time. You never
know when you're the next opportunity to talk to this
person will be um and so you kind of want
to share as much of yourself as possible in the
short amount of time that we have. However, Hannah has
just had a huge week, let's lay this out right,
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a massive week. She's been in the hospital, she's had
some rough dates, she said, she's had some drama, and
Chris Harrison comes up with the idea of let's do
something fun to Handah. It's familiar with that, the you know,
a cookout, a tailgate, So let's enjoy this night, right
if sometimes it's a bachelor bachelor I will tell you
personally that there's very few moments that you're able to
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just kick back, let your guard down and just enjoy.
I thought this tailgate could be that. It could be
that for Hannah, and it could be that for the guys,
and the the gents would be able to share maybe
they're funny like hearted side, maybe through the football route
in a little bit, you know, laugh and talk with
Hannah and can the sides in this moment, which again
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I'm not against him sharing his story. I'm against the
timing of when he shared his story. It felt forced,
it felt odd, It was almost a sense cringeworthy. Not
because of the context of the store or not because
of the content of the story, it's the context of
the timing of the story. Think about it. How many
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times in life have you been in a conversation where
you're having a great time, or you're out at a bar,
or you're out at a party, or maybe you're at
a function and somebody pulls you aside and corners you
with kind of an out of context story or an
out of context confrontation that really just kind of sucks
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your mood dry. Those are some of the most frustrating,
and also some of the times are kind of mind
gets thrown off the most. And I think that's what
happened to Hannah here. She wasn't able to fully engage
in the story. I'm sure in the back of her mind.
I don't want to speak for Hannah, but I'm going
to because I get to on this podcast. She's probably thinking,
I would much rather be throwing the football, eating brats
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or burgers, and hanging out enjoying this day, because again,
it's been a big week and that's why we had
a tailgate. It's to let us just enjoy some time together.
And Cam shares this story, and I want to hear
Astley's now opinion. I'm gonna way for her to get
in here on what this story was all about. Right,
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there's some some things that were missing in this story.
And and I don't know why you know this, Cam
have an artificial leg, Like, I don't know that we
never found that out. We talked about things being amputator,
but we never quite heard to what extent we've We've
never quite heard the impact of its had on his
body or his life. I felt I felt like there's
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holes in the story that I never got to kind
of uh figure out. So if you do have some
answers for me, please tweet us and hashtag to almost
in his podcast, because maybe I just uh I dnse
and didn't understand that could honestly be, but I want
to answer. I want to answer, so Cam Cam. I
think his story during this season was that he was
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uh just very horse can do the one thing that
you know, you all have heard me talk about a
thousand times. I'm not gonna pound it into your heads anymore,
but this season has a lot of self describing right,
a ton of it, and I looked it up last night.
It's a sign of a lot of different things and security, narcissism,
those those things. But the self describing has to stop
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on this season if I'm going to keep watching it.
And Cam was one that did it many times. I
have a few quotes that I wrote down on my
phone watching the episode from Cam last night. One of
them was he he quotes himself by saying, I'm a
deep person myself. What does that mean? Like, what are
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you gonna say I'm a shallow person? Who do you
know in your life that would have no I'm you know,
I'm a really shallow person. I don't really enjoy any
type of intellectual conversation. I'm not really about getting to
know anybody. I'm just kind of selfish, you know what.
Quite honestly, the only thing I think about is me.
But Cam likes to say he's a deep person. I
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don't get what that means. I don't get why he's
saying that. That to me is a cringeworthy moment from
last episode. And not to hate on Cam, because honestly,
the kid's gone, He's he's had his time. We've seen
him come and go. I just think there's better ways
that he could have handled himself, and I'm sure Bachelor
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Nation probably agrees. Cam came into this thing as a
confident rapper who had a funny side, who was easy going,
who we all enjoyed and thought this could be somebody special.
Cam's left this now as somebody I don't think we
fully ever got to know. He felt like it got
forced quickly, and I felt like he came into it
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believing he was a front runner, which he was, but
he soon saw there's other guys involved and he started
to have to react to that, and I think it
overwhelmed him. I do. Um, so, Cam, you were a
captivating figure. You were compelling to the masses. But sorry, buddy,
you don't have a rose anymore, and we're gonna have
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to let you go. Moving on, Peter. Peter has been
a crowd favorite. He's sweet, he's a pilot. Uh, he's
a former child actor. Um, the guy has it going on.
I had so many tweets last night about Peter. Um,
it's actually kind of amazing. And I was watching the show.
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I got a lot of tweets from the East Coast.
So I was watching it like, Okay, what's Peter gonna
do that deserves all these tweets? And honestly, the cool,
the kind of the interesting part about Peter, he did
nothing to deserve all the tweets that I was seeing
about him, except I think just being himself. He seems
calm and collected. He seems that like he's doing the
thing that that Cam wasn't. He's not describing himself. Um,
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He's confident enough in who he is to where he's
allowing Hannah to see that side of him. He's not
being overly aggressive in his compliments of Hannah, So he's
not being fake and what he's saying to Hannah, but
he's making sure she knows he's interested. I love Harry
calls her miss Hannah. B Um, I'm show us at
the first time he's called somebody missed something. But it's sweet,
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it's endearing. Um, it's direct. And what I think that
Peters doing that has really separated him from the masses
is he's a good listener. A lot of times in
this show feels like the guys sit down with Hannah
and they just start talking and they start sharing things
as fast as they possibly can, and they're never asking
any questions and they're never listening to what she has
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to say. I think Peter is one of the first
guys we've seen other than maybe your Jab and those guys,
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in my opinion, now the front one runner. I think
this guy has some longevity. I think, no matter what,
we're going to see him around this franchise for a
long time. My prediction is if he's not with Hannah
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be and we don't see him in Paradise, he will
be the next Bachler. I think that's already been decided. Um.
I don't know if he's with Hannah By or not.
I don't know if he's gonna be in Paradise or not.
But if he doesn't do those two things, I think
he would be the next Batchler. I also think Mike's
up there in that in that discussion. But those two
right now seem like the two front runners um to
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be the next Batchler or to be a huge figure
on Paradise. I'm enjoying following on both. Peter, in my opinion,
has done a great job. So we'll send a sandwich.
This we want from Cam who's bringing struggling to Peter,
who's I think doing great. There's a and favorite right now.
So now Luke p Man has this guy taken over
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the airways. This is two weeks in a row he's
been trending on Twitter. Um, neither of which have been
for positive things. It's surprising me because he's a good
looking guy. At the watch party as that last night,
everybody great good looking guy. I think he told him
told us that he thought he was a good looking
guy on the very first episode. UM. But he seems
to be self imploding. I think the guys this season
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are saying it best. It just seems like Luke is
being overwhelmed. It feels like a bomb has gone off
in his heart and he's self imploding. He doesn't know
how to capture the moment and continue to be himself.
It's clear Hannis told him now twice directly, Luke, I
want you to know I like you, I like you,
believe that, no, that feel that. But no, there's other
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guys here and no, this is not all about you.
And I think what maybe we're seeing because we can
judge Luke, we can criticize Luke, we can say that,
you know, he says some pretty arrogant things, and he does,
but those things can also be out of context. I
get that. The one thing that we're seeing with Luke
that I think isn't out of context, that I think
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we're seeing that is probably not great for him in
terms of his personality on the show, is that he's very,
very inside of his own head. This has became too
much too fast, and he believes in his mind that
he's the only guy there, that this is his thing
to lose, and as a result, he's not processing the
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fact that Hannah has other men to date, other people,
to spend time with, other men to get to know,
and Luke, as a result, is trying to always be
at the center of her attention. That's just not possible
right now on this show. As a bachelor of bachelor,
you're managing multiple relationship with multiple people. I would say
to any contestant, make it as easy as possible on
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the lead to do that. Don't be the person that
that makes it harder, because ultimately, if you're gonna end
up with that person at the end, you're gonna have
to be in circumstances where life is difficult, where things
are swilling around, and you have to be a good
partner that allows the space and the consideration to your
partner to manage that and handle that fairly. And right
now it feels like Luke is trying to micromanage a
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situation that he is not invited into micromanaging. This is
Hannah's lead, Harry, This Hannah is the lead. This is
Hannah's thing to go through, Luke, this is a partnership.
I hope at the end that you guys can walk
out of this together, but no, until then, you're trusting
Hannah to get you there. I don't know if it's
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harder for men to do that than women, but man,
on this show, no that you were gonna have to
allow the bachelorette to lead. Caitlin on my seat and
did a terrific job at that. I still say that
to this day, Caitlin was a great lead because she
led well. She allowed us all to have a piece
of her life. She allowed us to date her fairly.
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Um she got also got to know us. But at
the end of the day, Caitlin helped us navigate a
process that some want. Sometimes without a good lead feels unnavigable.
And Luke t right now is not allowing Hannah by
to lead him in this process. And I think outside
of everything else, outside of the crazy things he says,
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outside of how frustrated he gets, outside of how much
the guy's in the house Bill seem like him, or
the people on Twitter seemed to be reacting against him,
this all feels like, in my opinion, it gets solved
if he just allows Hannah to lead him in this
He takes a little bit of a backseat, knows that
she likes him, know that she cares about him. He's
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confident in both of those things. And then Luke Key continues, Ashley,
you're there. I still going to finish this thought, Luke
p allows this relationship to flourish, flourish with Hannah be
at the center. Actually we just finish talking about first off,
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welcome back in I know you've had a busy day.
I know you've been breaking down the episode of Access.
As we talked about the beginning of the podcast. That's
what happens when you're talented, sought after person like yourself.
But I'm glad that you're back back in here. I
want to catch you up a little bit. We just
broke down who I thought was the three most captivating
figures so far this season. That's Cam, That's Peter, that's
Luke p We finished with Luke p here in summary.
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My thoughts on cam Uh is that he never fully
understood himself. This thing was too much, too fast. My
thoughts on Peter is that he's confident, he's calm, he's collected,
he's a good listener, and as a result, he will
go far. Is he well? I want to hear about that.
Everybody keeps comparing you guys well, and I want to
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hear why in a second, because I did get a
lot of tweets last night about him, I couldn't exactly
figure out why. There wasn't an exact like moment that
I watched or an exact tweet that pointed out, oh
you know, that kind of reminds me of myself. All
I can see about Peter was that he listened well,
and then I think he truly cares about getting No Hannah,
I'm not. I don't think Peter is going this is
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the wife for me, or this is the woman for me.
Yet I think he's just going I'm interested in finding
that out, which I think is a good approach where
I think Cam failed at. And I also just summarized
Luke pee and saying the outside of all the crazy
things he said ash, outside of all the times he's
got angry, outside of the things that Twitter has reacted
on negatively, I don't want to get into those things
because I think that that is just too critical of
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who Luke isn't a person, and we don't know that.
I think the thing that we can say he's not
doing well is I think he isn't allowing Hannah to
lead him at all in this process. And I don't
think he's trusting Hannah when she says, hey, Luke, I
like you be confident in that, but also allow me
to navigate this as the batchelor at. I don't think
he's trusting that, and as a result, we're seeing him
kind of self implode that was my summary of the three.
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So I think the best move that that he could
have made yesterday was to have that in that conversation
with her, which was the first of everybody at that
group date. And then he should have just taken that information,
sat down and be like, Okay, tomorrow's a new day,
and by stepping away for a while, this will show
her that I listened to what she said. And he
did the exact opposite, which was you know, wait and
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like kind of like stare down for for the next
opportunity he could talk. But it was like, no, by
you waiting for that next opportunity, you are again doing
everything that she just told you not to be doing.
So there's two things here, actually I want to ask
you about and I want to hear from you listeners please,
so emails have been an actually hired me dot com.
I agree with you, so either on a good thing.
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At some level, he cares about this girl so much
that he cannot think about leaving a conversation kind of
with that undertone of negativity with her, Like understand that completely.
As much as I don't like him, I know that
watching him, it makes me feel frustrated almost for him
because I know how those conversations go, and the worst
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feeling is living a conversation feeling it like him was
unfinished and on a bad note, and all you want
to do is go back and try to mend it.
So that's on a good note, on a bad note.
What I recognize and what I have in my notes
here is he And I'm only pointed this because it's
some of the things he said. And this will be
this will be a verily controversial statement I'm about to make,
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so so hold on here. He says at one point
in this episode that if she was sick and in bed,
he would go over there, and even she said leave,
he would just currow up in bed next to her
because he knows she would want him to actually stay
with That points to in my opinion, and please, I
want you all to react against me if you don't
believe this is the case. In his head, he might
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believe he is such a gift to this world that
no matter if somebody even directly tells him, hey, take
a step back, or hey I actually don't want you here,
I'm sick right now, I don't feel good, he believes
he's such a gift to this world, that his presence
is better even if a person doesn't even recognize it.
I didn't think about it, but now that you say it,
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I feel like you're right because he said it right.
I mean, he said the direct words. If she was
sick and in bed and she and I went over there,
even if she told me to leave, I would just
curl up in that bed next to her. That's so gross,
that's so annoying. I can't imagine being more finding more
of a turn off with somebody who like won't let
me for my space when I asked for space. I mean, granted, hey,
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I think Jessica is the best person in the world.
I adore that girl, Like every moment I get to
spend with her is a good one. I tell you
one thing, I've been sick around her. Once. I didn't
wander near me, like though I didn't want her even
close to me. It was honestly, I asked her go
to the other room, or just like, don't talk to
me all day. I'm tired, I'm sick, I need space.
I just want to be weird and gross alone. She
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did that, and it was a wonderful gift from her,
and I appreciate her more for it. I also think
Jessica realized it realized at that moment too that as
much as you know she is a gift to my life,
Like in those moments, she's not going to make my
life that much better other than maybe a little check
in do you need soup, do you need water or whatever.
It's going to make me feel more self conscious and
that's the last thing you want that moment. And so
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there's two theories there. I think they might both. I
think they could both be true. What do you think,
Like he might like her that much and he also
believes he's that much of a gift. I think he
just thinks he's that much of a gift. Isn't it interesting?
I don't know if you talked about this yet. How
last week he said I'm starting to fall in love
with you, and then this week he was like, you know,
I was about to leave earlier during the group date
because I'm not in love with her. Like, wait, wait
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a second. I know there's a different student being in
love and like starting to fall in love, especially on
the show, But you're telling me that within like three
days because you felt more of a heavy competition and
because you weren't getting one of the attention. Now you're
just ready to throw in the towel. Weird, right, And
also like, is this how his life operating as? People
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like that? And he might be like that this thing
could be just a lot for him, But how much
of emotional rollercoaster are you gonna take us through? Just
watching you? Like you're only three weeks in, We've seen
him falling in love, not falling in love, and wanting
to leave and being angry all in three weeks. Like,
I feel like I've known Luke p for a full
entire season at this point. That's true, He's gotten more
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screen time than like anyone in three first episodes. And
did you talk about how you loved the fact that
Hannah totally put him in his place? Though, no, I haven't,
but I think it's I think it's fantastic, And I
want to talk about that as we break down the episode,
which we need to get into one last guy, because
I know we're not going to talk about as we
break down the episode Ash, but I want to bring
up selfishly, if you don't mind, I really liked Grant
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Grants unemployed. He is the one that like took off
his shirt during the photo session. Definitely hasn't worked out
like as hard as the other guys, like not in
the greatest shape. But the dude is so chill. He's
so funny his facial reactions to things, like I was
watching last night with my buddies and they're like, that's
the guy I want to hang out with. Like that
Grant dude, he's just funny to me, Like he just
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gets it. That's so funny. I didn't give Grant a
second thought when you said Grant. I had to You
had to say unemployed for me to be able to
put a face to the name. I mean, how much
confidence do you have to be to be unemployed? Coming
on a show and be so laid back and just
like cruising where I feel like Grant at some point
is going to pull out the popcorn when Luke p
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or somebody's like self imploding and he's just gonna start
watching from a front row seat. He almost reminds me
of Tanner during our season of The Bachelor at because
Tanner was just the guy that had the up close
view of everybody, while at the same time he was
never kissing Kaitlin, he never had any death conversation with Kaitlin.
He was just watching. Yeah, anyway, can you believe that
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that scene where tylet Luke gets into Garrett's face later
on this season? It's weird to me, right, So I
don't get how to handle that, Like what do you
where do you think? Like do you think Garrett is
in the wrong theory? No, we all know that Garrett
probably did nothing. Luke is just gonna lose it. He's
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just going to continue to lose it every single week.
He cannot deal with this environment because I don't even
think he's a natural competitive person. He just wants to
be given the win. And I wonder, like, as a
personality trait, if that's common or like, you know, I'm
big into the indiogram actually, which you know, rach your
(27:33):
personality one to nine. And there has to be something
that like Luke p at his best is just super passionate,
he has a huge purpose and he's super driven. But
it is worst I think we're seeing it now, is
where he expects a lot but doesn't necessarily know how
to work to get it or like knows the process
to get there or wants anybody else helping get him there.
(27:55):
And I feel like, right now, we're seeing luke at
his worst. I think, I mean, it has to be
like he has to be at his worst right now.
Oh yeah, well no, he could get worse. I think
he can get worse. So here's the question for everybody
out there listening and you Ashley right, is is there
is Luke P have a redemption story like on Paradise
(28:16):
right He's a big muscular guy, Like he's obviously like,
you know, attractive, at least he told us he was, Like,
is there a redemption story for Luke P? Or is
this kind of one of those scenarios maybe like the
Chads of the world, that we see Luke P kind
of leave the Bachelor franchise on a note that's confusing
(28:37):
a little bit weird, and that he definitely has never
showed us his best life because at this point we
haven't seen a side of luke P that at least Twitter,
I mean, I'm reading right now, Twitter hasn't reacted positively
luke P yet. So being that, I'm going to go
ahead and assume he doesn't win this thing, I think
we're all praying he doesn't win this thing. So assuming
(28:59):
he's not winning this thing, I definitely expect him in Paradise,
So I don't think he's gonna be done with the franchise.
I think with Chad, Chad went to Paradise, probably was
hoping to redeem himself, but then just got into deeper poop.
And I think that the same thing is going to
happen with Luca. But then again, remember last year's villain
with Becca, it was Chris. And now Chris win to Paradise.
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He still then' look the best in Paradise for the
first couple of weeks, and then he ended up getting
engaged to Crystal and now you know they're engaged, had
been together for a year. So it could be like that.
But I don't think that Chris. Chris was like just
such a self sabotager. But like Chris didn't evoke this
(29:43):
like super anger that he Chris was a villain to
himself kind of, Yeah, Chris is more of a villain
to himself. Luke is more of a valaent to like
all of humanity. Yeah, and we, I mean we've always
said this, like I hope there's redemption here, Like we
I just hate to see what's happening, you know, with
the cams of the world. Cam's now gone, and I
(30:05):
felt like we never got to see a side of
him that Cam would want us to see. Um. Speaking
of that, actually, I promised our listeners that I would
pause at this point and asked going back to Cam's story, like,
does he it was his leg amputated? I mean, I'm okay,
so what happened? So a year ago on his Instagram
(30:28):
he talked about how his leg was almost amputated, how
you had to have thirteen surgeries on it, how he
has lymphidema um. So they basically thought he was going
to get to the point of his leg needed to
be amputated, but then the doctors were able to like
fix it amazingly. Okay has a leg? It was definitely
unclear though based on the episode. Okay, yeah, I just
(30:51):
couldn't quite track it. But anyways, okay, ash Uh. We
decided we hope Lupe has redemption. We hope it happens
on this season, and if it doesn't, we hope it
happens on Paradise. I think Cam, um, we really wish
that upon him as well, because both people so far
as kind of more Yeah, I agree, but we we
you know, like both seem to be going down a
(31:13):
path of just like negativity and of like the public's
perception of them not being good and as a result,
like you never want that Cam doesn't. He doesn't. I
just don't think he knows right now how to handle
this thing well. And so we hope for redemption. We're
looking forward to seeing. I think that's mebe the storyline. Actually,
I'm most intrigued by going the rest of Hannah by season,
(31:36):
not only her love story and who she's connecting with,
but also does Luke p find redemption because right now,
according to Twitter, he needs it? And does Cam come
on Paradise at all? And we get to know Cam better,
we know that Cam is gonna definitely be on Paradise.
He's like a shoe in for Paradise. He reminds me
of David the Chicken. He's like this season, very nervous,
(32:01):
talked too much, talked himself into like problems, and now
I feel like he's going to go on Paradise and
be a lot like David and just do the exact
same thing over again. But I don't think he's a
bad guy. I just think he's nervous, and like that
appears in this environment on TV a certain way. I
also think we cannot move beyond Cam without talking about
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who looked way worse than Cam, and that was Jonathan
when he interrupted Cam and he was like, no, it's okay,
I got it. No, I got you, Bro, I got you.
It's okay, it's okay, it's I got it. We're going,
We're going. I'm like, are you kidding right now? I
thought he was. I thought it was such a gross moment.
He physically he physically interrupted, like he got in between them. Yeah. Well,
(32:46):
I mean but at the same time, no, no excuses
for that. You thought, how would you so Jonathan should
have asked for time? Cam says, can I get two
more minutes? Jonathan then steps away politely and as for
those two minutes and not get like that's the way
to handle that. Yeah, okay, that's fair, I get it.
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It was a weird moment to watch. I don't know,
I didn't quite I was kind of like more just
awkward for both people. Like I just felt like it
was odd. It was actually the first time that in
this season that I think Hannah hasn't stood up in
a situation. I was just saying that over at access.
I was like, this is the first time where she
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wasn't like you guys, you're behaving so disgustingly, because that's
what I would imagine. It'd be like you gross stop right,
But that was the only time to let it go
for some reason. Yeah, it was weird. So I don't
know if it was just too much, too fast, and
she was more like sitting there entertained. Actually, these guys
are both going home and this is wild and weird. Um,
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she could have because they both went home, But it
was the first time that I thought she didn't stand
up in a situation she should have or could have.
Would be my first critique of her. Um As, I
want to break down this episode, be broken down the
guys that stand out. I don't want um if you
don't mind leading us through this episode pointing out the
(34:09):
most important moments, because, as I said at the being
the podcast, Ashley Uh, for the first time in a
long time, I'm super engaged and intrigued by this season.
I think Hannaby is doing a great job. I think
the guys are not only interesting and um, I'm super
captivated by a lot of them, but I also just
believe that this story is just like the story of
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Hannah Bey and her men are just now starting, and
so let's continue the next chapter, episode three with your
breakdown in my side comments right now. Alright, let's start
at the top of our notes. The first day is
with Jonathan Mateo, John Paul Jones, Kevin, Jed Tyler see
Mike and cam Let's push Our Love to the Limit
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was written on the date card and there were special
guests Jason Biggs and his wife Jenny Mullen, who used
to be the co host of After Paradise, and what
they had to do on this date was changed. Some
baby diapers, wear, some fake baby bellies, soothed fake babies.
But then we got to the real fun of it
(35:12):
and they had to do a pregnancy simulator. Jade and
I are always talking about how we want Jared and
Tanner to do this. It's I think that every guy
should go through this, and they even say that, of course,
this can't really simulate the kind of pain that you
actually go through with labor um. So Kevin volunteered to
go first. He did, okay. John Paul Jones was dying hilarious,
(35:36):
like his facial expression. He's amazing. I can watch him
do anything. Is he amazing because actually, sorry to interrupt
you here, but is he amazing because he's like datable
and like you think women are like into him because
I don't know this side. Because he's a good looking
guy or handsome. He's actually underratedly handsome in this sponge,
(35:56):
I think, but I think because he is so silly
that he comes crosses like your best guy friend and
like the guy that you like to watch because he's
so entertaining. He's like the class clown. But I don't
know that he is showing himself in any way to
be like Nah's husband. Yeah, okay, fair enough, perfect Paradise character. Okay,
fair enough. I like that. I mean I just didn't know.
(36:18):
Because he is good looking, he is funny. I hear
people talk aboutim a lot, and I was like, do
you think in Paradise he has a hook up or
a relationship or is he just going to be everybody's
best friend and leave early? Um? I think he should
bounce around so that we get to see him date
a lot of people, so we get to see as
much screen time from Jumpbols as possible. Um, let's see.
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I loved Jed in that scene actually looked like they
were a couple about to have a child. Oh yeah, definitely,
it's it was so cute. There's like a lot of
emotion there, and then she pulled him away. First the
cocktail party, I know that, I know that she gave
Mike the rose there, but that was just one of
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those group dates where she was like, I know, I
can't give Jed the rose again. But and I really
had a nice conversation with Mike. But Jed definitely is
the top of my list in this bunch. What do
you think so and this bunch as in this first date?
But un yeah, I think so. I mean, I think
Jed has some longevity to him. I don't I haven't
(37:27):
seen the charisma from him as much as just like
I think he's a kind guy. I think he's a
good guy, and he's a good listener, and I think
he intrigues Hannah. I haven't seen the kind of charisma
from him that maybe will be ever last thing on
this show. Like, I don't know if he's going to
show himself to Hannah enough. But yeah, he's definitely the
favorite of his first group. So Mike opens up about
(37:50):
his past with his ex his ex got pregnant, and
he said that he was all in, you know, he
was totally excited to be a dad. The end up
using the baby in the in the second trimester. And
what I was so confused about this scene is I
feel like something either was interrupted out like cam In
(38:10):
truly interrupted the scene and we didn't get to see
We didn't get to see the conclusion of the conversation. Um,
Hannah just forgot to ask this question, or um it
was added it out. But I was really wondering why
he blamed himself for the loss of the baby. He said,
it was my fault. I wasn't there enough that you know,
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there's that that is a topic that obviously, like you said,
we just didn't see enough to like assume or even
make a sense want to make assumptions. But it was
definitely left open ended. I would my takeaway from that,
I could be completely wrong, was that he felt some
level of gil afterwards for the emotional support that he
(38:55):
was not giving during the struggle of pregnant pregnancy. Um.
You know, because as a man, you you don't feel
the emotions of pregnancy as much, and you can distance
yourself if you choose to from it, and I wonder
if maybe he did because of other circumstances, and now
he's feeling a guilt and remorse from that um and
(39:18):
he's admitting it to Hannah, which it takes a big
man to admit a huge failure like that. That's my assumption.
I don't know if it's true. Yeah, there's lots of
ways it could go. I do feel like he um
He expressed how excited he was for it, so I
wonder why he wouldn't have been there. You know, he
even said that he had this whole proposal set up
for anyway. Yeah, we we will possibly learn how learn
(39:41):
about that more later in the season, but for some reason,
feel like a doubt it's going to come up again.
We'll see um Camp pulls her aside all those zillions
of times during this date, and we already talked about
the whole Jonathan interruption. That is basically all I have
to say about that group date. Then we go into Connor,
(40:03):
who has the one on one of the week, and
I'm kind of excited that next week we get to
see two one on ones because big group dates two
of them an episode and get kind of overwhelming. But
Connor gets the group the solo date this week, but
she's not feeling good. It seems like she was like
under some super high stress because I don't even think
that she was like sick with the flu or anything.
(40:25):
I think she was like extremely dehydrated. Um. So they go.
So they end up having a date at her hotel room,
and it was it was sweet. I actually think that
even if he was only there for about an hour,
they probably got to know each other more in that
hour just lying there in bed. Then they would have
gotten to know each other if they were on some
(40:47):
high adrenaline date. Do you agree, Yeah, yeah, you know.
In my opinion, to summarize this date, there wasn't a
lot here more than the fact that they got to
spend time together. He was super sweet. We saw that.
I think the key moment actually that I want to
talk about um and then we can move on to
the group day because there just wasn't a lot here.
It wasn't much. I don't have anything to say about
(41:10):
it is the fact that he was expressing. Why aren't
we giving him a hard time for expressing that he
is falling in love with Hannah by writing these notes
to her, Because we'll give Luke p Uh, some just
criticism for thank he was falling a letter to her, Yeah,
(41:31):
he let in a letter to her. He ended it
with love Connor, here are the things I love about
Love Connor is not the same as I'm starting to
fall in love with you. Really really, I signed love Ashley.
If like it's a friend, even if it's like like
a quint An acquaintance friend. Also like the things I
(41:53):
love about you also not the same as I'm falling
in love with you. Yeah, I love you. Don't know, Yeah,
I get it. I I just saw it and I
was like, m I think we need to approach it. Finally,
we'll just bring it up. We know nothing about it.
Tyler g was sit home. We really don't know why
or how, but it is important to know if anybody's
(42:13):
wondering where in the heck of Tyler go? He's home now. Uh,
And we don't have a lot of context around that
to even speak on. Move it on now, Ashley to
group date number two with Dylan Garrett, Luke, p Grant, Lucas,
Pete Devon, Joey, Um, Joey. Who is Joey. I'm sure
there is a Joey. I just truly don't know. I
(42:34):
don't know if I even know who I think. I
don't know who Joey is either. Um, that's probably not
this week, So that's why we don't know who. I
don't think, poor guy. That's always sad when you see
these guys on the show and they give up so
much time and then they watch every episode probably with
their families, like oh, I'm on the Bachelorette and oh
(42:56):
and then you watch you like I actually never said
a word. Um, like I know, like was never there? Okay? Um, Actually,
you know, I don't want to keep our listeners around
too much longer because I know we've we've overwhelmed them
with podcasts recently. So still see through this one. Um
there was It was an interesting day. The faster continues
(43:19):
to come back to the pictures of the animals thing.
I think it's funny, I think it's weird. I think
I think you could fast forward this part of the day,
this part of the episode, and you probably wouldn't have
missed a thing. They even teased up the whole Demi
surveillance camera thing again, and I was very excited for
her to catch a guy, and I really I was
kind of dying for the drama of her catching luke
(43:42):
P saying something stupid, but they cut nothing. You could
have fast forward to this of teen minutes and not
lost the thing. I agree, No, I think you're exactly right.
So let's do it. Let's fast forward these fifteen minutes.
Say that it was funny, it's worth watching, it's entertaining. Um,
it's somewhat cute, but really we need to get down
to the nitty gritty, which is at the cocktail party
(44:03):
that evening or the after party, we see luke P really,
I mean, all we get to really see is luke
Pe self employing. Obviously, we as we talked about the
beginning of the episode, we see pilot pete Um really
kind of crushing it and becoming a fan favorite. I
think favorite why you're like him? Agreed, Um, So let's
(44:25):
do that now, and then I want to talk to
you Ashley about just we've we've overdone it now, but
just where you think this goes from here? And then
let's move it into the tailgate party, because we've honestly
talked a lot about luke P and his self implosion
and why he's self imploding. But I do want to know.
I'm intrigued. Why do you think people are comparing me
to Pilot Pete? You have like a natural innocence about
(44:48):
you both, So I don't know if you, as a
guy like love. Do you like that? I don't think. So.
Actually have a mustache right now that I'm rocking from
a camping weekend, and I feel like it does allow
me to get a little bit tougher. So any innocence
I had last week is gone now because this mustache
makes me a bad boy. Okay, okay, you also have
(45:11):
some boyish charm. You have definitely the same type of
boyish charm. You have quite a physical resemblance. It's pretty crazy.
He just has lighter hair than you. And then I
think that it's the way you both listen and engage,
because when you listen to somebody and and when you
(45:33):
ask questions, you like truly want to know, You want
to get deep, you want to know about them, You
really care. It's just something about the way that he
looks at her is kind of the way that you
would look at your girls, truly caring. Good listener. There
you go, So, I mean outside, that's really sweet of you,
(45:55):
and it's great to be compared to this guy, because
I do think he's he's carry himself well and I
do enjoy watching him. If he's the next Bachelor, I
think he's not there for it if he's not with Hannah. Okay,
I like, you know all the things you said, if
it's something that I have or not. There are kind
(46:16):
things and they're good things to have and and qualities
that I think we should all try to hold on to.
But I do think Pilot Pete, he said something that
stands out is the one character there in this season
that has other than Mike. I think Mike has done
a good job at this as well as really engaged
into getting to know Hannah well. And as a result,
(46:37):
it's fun for me to watch their interaction because I
learned more about Hannah during it, and I also learn
more about a guy that she I think doesn't even
know how infatuated she is with him yet, but I
think she's really infatuated. Yeah, he he won her over
last night. I think he became a front runner last night.
I can tell you when I talked to her during
her week four of filming that she had rs in
(47:00):
her eyes talking about Pete. So I'm not like expoiling
or anything. Because I talked to her right after this
rose ceremony that we saw last night, and she just
could not stop talking. She was like she could stop
talking about Peter. She had like other guys that she
was talking about. She told me that she was really
into Luke and Jed. No surprise there, but she said
(47:20):
that during week three Peter really um she he really
just like left her with a good feeling after that
week when he pushed her against that wall and made
out with her, it made quite a big effect. What
a move. Never failure to push somebody up against the
wall and just make out with them. Yeah, it's really
always a good when you're in a cordially dating relations
(47:41):
you can only go wrong. You can't go wrong with
it if it's mutual anyway. Actually, yeah, we need to
move on now, because let's set up the scene here.
Hannah's had a huge week. There's been some sickness, some stress.
I mean, this is this is when exhaustion starts to
take over. Chris Saterson has the idea of hey, of
(48:03):
just like, hey, let's relax, Like, let's let Hannah kick
her feet up and rest and relax and enjoy a
time with her guys. And this is where I think Cam,
Um I said at the beginning of the podcast, and
I want to hear actually, if you agree to disagree,
it's not the content of uh Cam's story that is
a little bit frustrating at all, because it's a it's
(48:26):
his story, and his story is powerful and it should
be told and should be told often. And it's the
context of when he told it that was a little frustrating,
because it's a week that she's trying to relax and
he feels like he has his last ditch efforts, so
let's tell her a story. Um. And it just felt
like the timing of this was sad because I thought
Hannah was really gonna have an evening just to rest
(48:47):
and have fun. It's always week three that these rose
ceremony cocktail parties are canceled and there's a barbecue pool party.
Is this interesting? It's always weak three, um, Cam, Definitely.
I mean, what did you feel. I don't know if
you talked about this yet, but how do you feel
about him telling the group that he really wanted to
go first have his alone time with her and um
(49:09):
tell her a sad story or something very important about
himself early on. How do you know about him claiming
the time I'm gonna I have a couple of buddies
like Cam. Um what I think Cam did? I think
his intentions were good. I think he was actually, like,
I mean, uh, maybe a self aware of person because
Cam is obviously self describing himself through this whole show.
(49:31):
So Cam and I aren't getting along if he came
on the podcast right now, I tell him, you self
describe yourself like the Chicken man, like over and over
and over again. And as a result, we've got to
confront that and talk about it. Like, I've got to
help him. I don't know if I can't help him.
I just got to help him figure this out because
self describing is not gonna work if I'm gonna watch
paradig But anyways, bad Ben. When he said I'm a
(49:51):
deep person and then he referred to MF my third person,
he referred to himself the person I'm a deep person.
I mean, nothing could make I mean you know that
everybody out there listening knows this. And I'm on my
couch like, oh, like stick to my stomach. But I
think what Cam should have said that the guys was, hey,
I have a story that means a lot to me
that it's made me and define me to be the
(50:11):
man I am today, and the man I am today
is some one that Canada doesn't fully know yet, and
she doesn't know like the recent things I have gone through.
And as a result, gents, I would love the time
before the even this date even starts, to be able
to tell her about this, because I think it's only
fair to me and her that she knows this side
of me, because if not, I don't make sense unless
(50:31):
she knows this piece of me. I think it's how
he framed it by saying I want to tell her
a sad story, or even in his mind believing that
it's a sad story, because I don't know if it
is our stories and anybody that they're listening, your story
is not a sad story. There's pain in those stories
and their stories that aren't ideal. But your story is
(50:52):
one of power and one that you should stand on.
It is your platform, and none of us should judge
you to the each other for the stories that we have.
And I think by him framing in this context of
my story is a sad story or it's a sadder
story than most is where he went wrong. He definitely
messed up there, and I think there was a genuine
misunderstanding between him and Mike because Mike went on to
(51:14):
later tell Hannah that Cam wanted a pity rose and
told the guys he was going for a pity rose.
But based on what we saw, he never said I'm
going for a pity rose. I think Mike just like
took his words and kind of formulated it into that
um but on. So I'm defending Cam there. But if
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Cam did truly want to talk about his lymphedema and
the fact that he almost had his leg amputated, which
I think is an important story to tell somebody, you know,
early on in a relationship, I don't think he necessarily
had to add that his grandma passed away during you know,
the surgery time, and that he had to keep up
with ten months old puppy that he was raising. Like
(51:59):
that just made it seemed like he was trying to
tell us ob story for a pitty rose. But I
think that was just Cam and his word vomit. He
I think then in some way he was like, all right,
she may feel a bit more bad for me if
I continue with this part of the story and that
part of the story. But it also could have been
Cam word vomit. I don't know, trying to give him
(52:19):
benefit of doubt. Yeah, I mean I think that, like
you said that, he just gets overwhelmed, He gets jittery,
he starts talking, and he doesn't know exactly what he's
saying either way, Like cam story is one that does
make him make more sense, Like it is a powerful story, UM,
that we should know about him, especially if he's building
this relation with Hannah. I just think it's when he
(52:40):
told her was at one problem because it's at a
tailgate party when she's supposed to be having fun. And
I think it's how he told it that made it
all As listeners go and and well, come on, Cam,
like a little too much. Uh probably could have be
framed up a little differently and what are you trying
to get out of this? Um? And that's I think
a big part of why he went home. It was
(53:00):
too much, it was too weird. And now Cam has
gone along with Jonathan Joey Cam and obviously the tyler
G who we don't know a lot about, is now
out of the picture. UM. Ashley close up the podcast
I love doing this with you starting about this week.
Who's your top three? What's your grade for Hannah, and
what's your grade on the entire season so far? My
(53:24):
grade for the season is like a B two B
plus and then my grade for Hannah as an I,
and then my top three are Peter, Jed, and Well,
(53:45):
I guess right now, I'm going to have to say
Luke is ahead in Hannah's eyes. Oh that's surprising to me.
I'm gonna go saying grades as you do. In my
top three, I've got to throw my boy Grant in
there just I don't think you're gonna make it much farther,
but I gotta give that guy some some maritime I
get dude as a as a solid yere right now. UM.
(54:07):
I do think Peter and Jeff Jet are definitely UM
up there as well, so Ashley. I think it's a
great breakdown, another good episode from Hannah by We're surprised, impressed,
and in love with Hannah by um, and let's just
keep pumping out. I told the face, I told the
listeners about all the in depth episodes we have coming
up that we already had. If you guys don't know
(54:30):
the UM Hannah in Depth was released on Saturday, so
go check that out, and last week we also released
the Caitlin Bristow in Depth. Those are two terrific ones
that you pulled off on your own, ash super talents. Hey,
I gotta say, Mike's probably up there. I'm gonna take
out Grant. I think Mike. I'm just looking at my
notes here. I think Mike is definitely. We could slip
(54:52):
Connor in there. Jeez, there's a lot of them right now. Anyways, Hey,
ash we gotta keep bringing down these guys. It's gonna
be an interesting season in I'm gonna talk to you,
Ashley keep I know you're a busy girl. You've got
a lot of breakdowns to do, a lot of breakdowns. Um,
So get out of here. Let's let's go and enjoy
another week during Bachelor's season with that. I've been been later.
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Almost Famous podcast with i R Radio. It's week three
of Hannaby season on the Bachelorette. This is the almost
Famous podcast. I'm Ben and my cost Ashley I kenn
Eddie because she's so cool, so popular, so famous and
so good at hosting thing. She's actually on her way
as I speak from Access where she's breaking down the
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Bachelor at So come in here live to this podcast
and we'll break it down together. I guess that's what
happens when you're super cool and super wanted, you have
a multiple things going on at one time. Uh, if
you're confused on while those two episodes, this week, we
had the opportunity, uh thanks to a lot of people,
to interview Hannah be on The Almost Famous podcast, and
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we we released that episode early so all of you
could kind of get a taste of who she is
as a person and how what her thoughts are going
into the season. But we obviously could not go a
week without breaking down the episode, and that's why we're
doing this podcast. That's why we're doing this release, So
make sure you go back and check out Hannah By's interview.
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We also have a couple in depth interviews that recently
came out. I'm gonna speak for ashly here. These in
depth episodes have been some more our favorite things to do. Uh.
They're meant to just dig into the lives of the
people that we know and love best from the franchise
and and not a bachelor maybe type of way. We
want to really fear who they are as people. Hear
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who they want to be, who they're becoming, and who
they are post show and who they were pre show
um and also talk about how great the show maybe
it was for them or how hard it was for him.
We have a couple of really great episodes that have
been released and a couple of really great ones coming out,
and make sure you're staying tuned. The Almost Famous podcast
is growing and expanding, uh and it has been a
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blast so far. So without further ado, we wait for
Ashley to get into studio. I want to give a
little breakdown so far up my thoughts on Hanna be
if you remember right, we go back to before the
season once Hannah By was announced to The Bachelor, I
think it was on Colton Underwood's very last episode or
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she was announced with The Bachelor, I should say, and
there's mixed opinions felt I will say after this week,
I think I'll say it, this may be the best
Bachelorette season that we've seen as far as entertaining, engaging, intriguing,
and a really long time now, we've had some amazing
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bachelorette Actually, we talked about it, I think two months
ago where I can't name one bachelorette that wasn't good
that we didn't enjoy or appreciate. Um, but Hannah Bees
right there, up there with them. I mean, she's responding
well to the difficult situations. She's clear and honest in
her approach towards the men. She's not letting any of
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the men walk all over her um and she's not
walking all over them. She's approaching this thing like a partnership.
But also she's being an incredible lead. So so far,
the Almost fame As podcast is giving Hannah by a
very high grade and giving this season a very high grade.
I'm actually really enjoying watching this season. I can't say
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that about every season. You all know that I've talked
about it before. Sometimes I just I just stopped. I
stopped watching, I stopped participating, and I come onto this
podcast and kind of learn what's happening on the season
from Ashley because she will always be a fan. This season,
I've been fully engaged and in tune and I have
some really strong opinions on what's happening, as I know
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Ashley does as well. Before Ashley gets in the studio,
I'm gonna take the opportunity to really break down who
I think are the most captivating fellas from this season.
When actually comes in, we'll break down the episode as
a whole. But I want to spend some time talking
about some of the standouts, some of the people that
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we are seeing the most of. I want to start
with Cam because obviously we know that Cam was now
let go uh during the road ceremony this week, Cam
hit the scene. If we remember, right when we first
met Hannah By as the bachelorret he came into studio
live and got her first very first rows of the season.
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He were apped, it was cute, it was sweet. He
was a fan favorite from the beginning. But ever since then,
we have yet to see a side of Cam that
I think, how I say this, uh maybe is relatable.
Also it's a little bit confusing. I want to ask
Ashley her thoughts on his story that he shared. Hey,
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I want to stop here, and unlike Twitter last night,
I actually really appreciate Cam sharing his story now I
do think and I was watching with a group of
people and I want to hear all your opinions, so
please Emails have been in actually at at my heart
meati dot com. But there's a time and a place
to share these stories. It's an interesting dynamic on the
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Batchman Batchlorrette where it's it's it's almost like speed dating
right there, there's a limit amount of time. You never
know when you're the next opportunity to talk to this
person will be um and so you kind of want
to share as much of yourself as possible in the
short amount of time that we have. However, Hannah has
just had a huge week, let's lay this out right,
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a massive week. She's been in the hospital, she's had
some rough dates, she said, she's had some drama, and
Chris Harrison comes up with the idea of let's do
something fun to Handah. It's familiar with that, the you know,
a cookout, a tailgate, So let's enjoy this night, right
if sometimes it's a bachelor bachelor I will tell you
personally that there's very few moments that you're able to
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just kick back, let your guard down and just enjoy.
I thought this tailgate could be that. It could be
that for Hannah, and it could be that for the guys,
and the the gents would be able to share maybe
they're funny like hearted side, maybe through the football route
in a little bit, you know, laugh and talk with
Hannah and can the sides in this moment, which again
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I'm not against him sharing his story. I'm against the
timing of when he shared his story. It felt forced,
it felt odd, It was almost a sense cringeworthy. Not
because of the context of the store or not because
of the content of the story, it's the context of
the timing of the story. Think about it. How many
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times in life have you been in a conversation where
you're having a great time, or you're out at a bar,
or you're out at a party, or maybe you're at
a function and somebody pulls you aside and corners you
with kind of an out of context story or an
out of context confrontation that really just kind of sucks
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your mood dry. Those are some of the most frustrating,
and also some of the times are kind of mind
gets thrown off the most. And I think that's what
happened to Hannah here. She wasn't able to fully engage
in the story. I'm sure in the back of her mind.
I don't want to speak for Hannah, but I'm going
to because I get to on this podcast. She's probably thinking,
I would much rather be throwing the football, eating brats
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or burgers, and hanging out enjoying this day, because again,
it's been a big week and that's why we had
a tailgate. It's to let us just enjoy some time together.
And Cam shares this story, and I want to hear
Astley's now opinion. I'm gonna way for her to get
in here on what this story was all about. Right,
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there's some some things that were missing in this story.
And and I don't know why you know this, Cam
have an artificial leg, Like, I don't know that we
never found that out. We talked about things being amputator,
but we never quite heard to what extent we've We've
never quite heard the impact of its had on his
body or his life. I felt I felt like there's
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holes in the story that I never got to kind
of uh figure out. So if you do have some
answers for me, please tweet us and hashtag to almost
in his podcast, because maybe I just uh I dnse
and didn't understand that could honestly be, but I want
to answer. I want to answer, so Cam Cam. I
think his story during this season was that he was
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uh just very horse can do the one thing that
you know, you all have heard me talk about a
thousand times. I'm not gonna pound it into your heads anymore,
but this season has a lot of self describing right,
a ton of it, and I looked it up last night.
It's a sign of a lot of different things and security, narcissism,
those those things. But the self describing has to stop
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on this season if I'm going to keep watching it.
And Cam was one that did it many times. I
have a few quotes that I wrote down on my
phone watching the episode from Cam last night. One of
them was he he quotes himself by saying, I'm a
deep person myself. What does that mean? Like, what are
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you gonna say I'm a shallow person? Who do you
know in your life that would have no I'm you know,
I'm a really shallow person. I don't really enjoy any
type of intellectual conversation. I'm not really about getting to
know anybody. I'm just kind of selfish, you know what.
Quite honestly, the only thing I think about is me.
But Cam likes to say he's a deep person. I
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don't get what that means. I don't get why he's
saying that. That to me is a cringeworthy moment from
last episode. And not to hate on Cam, because honestly,
the kid's gone, He's he's had his time. We've seen
him come and go. I just think there's better ways
that he could have handled himself, and I'm sure Bachelor
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Nation probably agrees. Cam came into this thing as a
confident rapper who had a funny side, who was easy going,
who we all enjoyed and thought this could be somebody special.
Cam's left this now as somebody I don't think we
fully ever got to know. He felt like it got
forced quickly, and I felt like he came into it
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believing he was a front runner, which he was, but
he soon saw there's other guys involved and he started
to have to react to that, and I think it
overwhelmed him. I do. Um, so, Cam, you were a
captivating figure. You were compelling to the masses. But sorry, buddy,
you don't have a rose anymore, and we're gonna have
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to let you go. Moving on, Peter. Peter has been
a crowd favorite. He's sweet, he's a pilot. Uh, he's
a former child actor. Um, the guy has it going on.
I had so many tweets last night about Peter. Um,
it's actually kind of amazing. And I was watching the show.
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I got a lot of tweets from the East Coast.
So I was watching it like, Okay, what's Peter gonna
do that deserves all these tweets? And honestly, the cool,
the kind of the interesting part about Peter, he did
nothing to deserve all the tweets that I was seeing
about him, except I think just being himself. He seems
calm and collected. He seems that like he's doing the
thing that that Cam wasn't. He's not describing himself. Um,
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He's confident enough in who he is to where he's
allowing Hannah to see that side of him. He's not
being overly aggressive in his compliments of Hannah, So he's
not being fake and what he's saying to Hannah, but
he's making sure she knows he's interested. I love Harry
calls her miss Hannah. B Um, I'm show us at
the first time he's called somebody missed something. But it's sweet,
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it's endearing. Um, it's direct. And what I think that
Peters doing that has really separated him from the masses
is he's a good listener. A lot of times in
this show feels like the guys sit down with Hannah
and they just start talking and they start sharing things
as fast as they possibly can, and they're never asking
any questions and they're never listening to what she has
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to say. I think Peter is one of the first
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in my opinion, now the front one runner. I think
this guy has some longevity. I think, no matter what,
we're going to see him around this franchise for a
long time. My prediction is if he's not with Hannah
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be and we don't see him in Paradise, he will
be the next Bachler. I think that's already been decided. Um.
I don't know if he's with Hannah By or not.
I don't know if he's gonna be in Paradise or not.
But if he doesn't do those two things, I think
he would be the next Batchler. I also think Mike's
up there in that in that discussion. But those two
right now seem like the two front runners um to
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be the next Batchler or to be a huge figure
on Paradise. I'm enjoying following on both. Peter, in my opinion,
has done a great job. So we'll send a sandwich.
This we want from Cam who's bringing struggling to Peter,
who's I think doing great. There's a and favorite right now.
So now Luke p Man has this guy taken over
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the airways. This is two weeks in a row he's
been trending on Twitter. Um, neither of which have been
for positive things. It's surprising me because he's a good
looking guy. At the watch party as that last night,
everybody great good looking guy. I think he told him
told us that he thought he was a good looking
guy on the very first episode. UM. But he seems
to be self imploding. I think the guys this season
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are saying it best. It just seems like Luke is
being overwhelmed. It feels like a bomb has gone off
in his heart and he's self imploding. He doesn't know
how to capture the moment and continue to be himself.
It's clear Hannis told him now twice directly, Luke, I
want you to know I like you, I like you,
believe that, no, that feel that. But no, there's other
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guys here and no, this is not all about you.
And I think what maybe we're seeing because we can
judge Luke, we can criticize Luke, we can say that,
you know, he says some pretty arrogant things, and he does,
but those things can also be out of context. I
get that. The one thing that we're seeing with Luke
that I think isn't out of context, that I think
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we're seeing that is probably not great for him in
terms of his personality on the show, is that he's very,
very inside of his own head. This has became too
much too fast, and he believes in his mind that
he's the only guy there, that this is his thing
to lose, and as a result, he's not processing the
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fact that Hannah has other men to date, other people,
to spend time with, other men to get to know,
and Luke, as a result, is trying to always be
at the center of her attention. That's just not possible
right now on this show. As a bachelor of bachelor,
you're managing multiple relationship with multiple people. I would say
to any contestant, make it as easy as possible on
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the lead to do that. Don't be the person that
that makes it harder, because ultimately, if you're gonna end
up with that person at the end, you're gonna have
to be in circumstances where life is difficult, where things
are swilling around, and you have to be a good
partner that allows the space and the consideration to your
partner to manage that and handle that fairly. And right
now it feels like Luke is trying to micromanage a
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situation that he is not invited into micromanaging. This is
Hannah's lead, Harry, This Hannah is the lead. This is
Hannah's thing to go through, Luke, this is a partnership.
I hope at the end that you guys can walk
out of this together, but no, until then, you're trusting
Hannah to get you there. I don't know if it's
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harder for men to do that than women, but man,
on this show, no that you were gonna have to
allow the bachelorette to lead. Caitlin on my seat and
did a terrific job at that. I still say that
to this day, Caitlin was a great lead because she
led well. She allowed us all to have a piece
of her life. She allowed us to date her fairly.
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Um she got also got to know us. But at
the end of the day, Caitlin helped us navigate a
process that some want. Sometimes without a good lead feels unnavigable.
And Luke t right now is not allowing Hannah by
to lead him in this process. And I think outside
of everything else, outside of the crazy things he says,
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outside of how frustrated he gets, outside of how much
the guy's in the house Bill seem like him, or
the people on Twitter seemed to be reacting against him,
this all feels like, in my opinion, it gets solved
if he just allows Hannah to lead him in this
He takes a little bit of a backseat, knows that
she likes him, know that she cares about him. He's
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confident in both of those things. And then Luke Key continues, Ashley,
you're there. I still going to finish this thought, Luke
p allows this relationship to flourish, flourish with Hannah be
at the center. Actually we just finish talking about first off,
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welcome back in I know you've had a busy day.
I know you've been breaking down the episode of Access.
As we talked about the beginning of the podcast. That's
what happens when you're talented, sought after person like yourself.
But I'm glad that you're back back in here. I
want to catch you up a little bit. We just
broke down who I thought was the three most captivating
figures so far this season. That's Cam, That's Peter, that's
Luke p We finished with Luke p here in summary.
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My thoughts on cam Uh is that he never fully
understood himself. This thing was too much, too fast. My
thoughts on Peter is that he's confident, he's calm, he's collected,
he's a good listener, and as a result, he will
go far. Is he well? I want to hear about that.
Everybody keeps comparing you guys well, and I want to
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hear why in a second, because I did get a
lot of tweets last night about him, I couldn't exactly
figure out why. There wasn't an exact like moment that
I watched or an exact tweet that pointed out, oh
you know, that kind of reminds me of myself. All
I can see about Peter was that he listened well,
and then I think he truly cares about getting No Hannah,
I'm not. I don't think Peter is going this is
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the wife for me, or this is the woman for me.
Yet I think he's just going I'm interested in finding
that out, which I think is a good approach where
I think Cam failed at. And I also just summarized
Luke pee and saying the outside of all the crazy
things he said ash, outside of all the times he's
got angry, outside of the things that Twitter has reacted
on negatively, I don't want to get into those things
because I think that that is just too critical of
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who Luke isn't a person, and we don't know that.
I think the thing that we can say he's not
doing well is I think he isn't allowing Hannah to
lead him at all in this process. And I don't
think he's trusting Hannah when she says, hey, Luke, I
like you be confident in that, but also allow me
to navigate this as the batchelor at. I don't think
he's trusting that, and as a result, we're seeing him
kind of self implode that was my summary of the three.
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So I think the best move that that he could
have made yesterday was to have that in that conversation
with her, which was the first of everybody at that
group date. And then he should have just taken that information,
sat down and be like, Okay, tomorrow's a new day,
and by stepping away for a while, this will show
her that I listened to what she said. And he
did the exact opposite, which was you know, wait and
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like kind of like stare down for for the next
opportunity he could talk. But it was like, no, by
you waiting for that next opportunity, you are again doing
everything that she just told you not to be doing.
So there's two things here, actually I want to ask
you about and I want to hear from you listeners please,
so emails have been an actually hired me dot com.
I agree with you, so either on a good thing.
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At some level, he cares about this girl so much
that he cannot think about leaving a conversation kind of
with that undertone of negativity with her, Like understand that completely.
As much as I don't like him, I know that
watching him, it makes me feel frustrated almost for him
because I know how those conversations go, and the worst
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feeling is living a conversation feeling it like him was
unfinished and on a bad note, and all you want
to do is go back and try to mend it.
So that's on a good note, on a bad note.
What I recognize and what I have in my notes
here is he And I'm only pointed this because it's
some of the things he said. And this will be
this will be a verily controversial statement I'm about to make,
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so so hold on here. He says at one point
in this episode that if she was sick and in bed,
he would go over there, and even she said leave,
he would just currow up in bed next to her
because he knows she would want him to actually stay
with That points to in my opinion, and please, I
want you all to react against me if you don't
believe this is the case. In his head, he might
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believe he is such a gift to this world that
no matter if somebody even directly tells him, hey, take
a step back, or hey I actually don't want you here,
I'm sick right now, I don't feel good, he believes
he's such a gift to this world, that his presence
is better even if a person doesn't even recognize it.
I didn't think about it, but now that you say it,
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I feel like you're right because he said it right.
I mean, he said the direct words. If she was
sick and in bed and she and I went over there,
even if she told me to leave, I would just
curl up in that bed next to her. That's so gross,
that's so annoying. I can't imagine being more finding more
of a turn off with somebody who like won't let
me for my space when I asked for space. I mean, granted, hey,
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I think Jessica is the best person in the world.
I adore that girl, Like every moment I get to
spend with her is a good one. I tell you
one thing, I've been sick around her. Once. I didn't
wander near me, like though I didn't want her even
close to me. It was honestly, I asked her go
to the other room, or just like, don't talk to
me all day. I'm tired, I'm sick, I need space.
I just want to be weird and gross alone. She
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did that, and it was a wonderful gift from her,
and I appreciate her more for it. I also think
Jessica realized it realized at that moment too that as
much as you know she is a gift to my life,
Like in those moments, she's not going to make my
life that much better other than maybe a little check
in do you need soup, do you need water or whatever.
It's going to make me feel more self conscious and
that's the last thing you want that moment. And so
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there's two theories there. I think they might both. I
think they could both be true. What do you think,
Like he might like her that much and he also
believes he's that much of a gift. I think he
just thinks he's that much of a gift. Isn't it interesting?
I don't know if you talked about this yet. How
last week he said I'm starting to fall in love
with you, and then this week he was like, you know,
I was about to leave earlier during the group date
because I'm not in love with her. Like, wait, wait
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a second. I know there's a different student being in
love and like starting to fall in love, especially on
the show, But you're telling me that within like three
days because you felt more of a heavy competition and
because you weren't getting one of the attention. Now you're
just ready to throw in the towel. Weird, right, And
also like, is this how his life operating as? People
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like that? And he might be like that this thing
could be just a lot for him, But how much
of emotional rollercoaster are you gonna take us through? Just
watching you? Like you're only three weeks in, We've seen
him falling in love, not falling in love, and wanting
to leave and being angry all in three weeks. Like,
I feel like I've known Luke p for a full
entire season at this point. That's true, He's gotten more
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screen time than like anyone in three first episodes. And
did you talk about how you loved the fact that
Hannah totally put him in his place? Though, no, I haven't,
but I think it's I think it's fantastic, And I
want to talk about that as we break down the episode,
which we need to get into one last guy, because
I know we're not going to talk about as we
break down the episode Ash, but I want to bring
up selfishly, if you don't mind, I really liked Grant
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Grants unemployed. He is the one that like took off
his shirt during the photo session. Definitely hasn't worked out
like as hard as the other guys, like not in
the greatest shape. But the dude is so chill. He's
so funny his facial reactions to things, like I was
watching last night with my buddies and they're like, that's
the guy I want to hang out with. Like that
Grant dude, he's just funny to me, Like he just
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gets it. That's so funny. I didn't give Grant a
second thought when you said Grant. I had to You
had to say unemployed for me to be able to
put a face to the name. I mean, how much
confidence do you have to be to be unemployed? Coming
on a show and be so laid back and just
like cruising where I feel like Grant at some point
is going to pull out the popcorn when Luke p
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or somebody's like self imploding and he's just gonna start
watching from a front row seat. He almost reminds me
of Tanner during our season of The Bachelor at because
Tanner was just the guy that had the up close
view of everybody, while at the same time he was
never kissing Kaitlin, he never had any death conversation with Kaitlin.
He was just watching. Yeah, anyway, can you believe that
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that scene where tylet Luke gets into Garrett's face later
on this season? It's weird to me, right, So I
don't get how to handle that, Like what do you
where do you think? Like do you think Garrett is
in the wrong theory? No, we all know that Garrett
probably did nothing. Luke is just gonna lose it. He's
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just going to continue to lose it every single week.
He cannot deal with this environment because I don't even
think he's a natural competitive person. He just wants to
be given the win. And I wonder, like, as a
personality trait, if that's common or like, you know, I'm
big into the indiogram actually, which you know, rach your
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personality one to nine. And there has to be something
that like Luke p at his best is just super passionate,
he has a huge purpose and he's super driven. But
it is worst I think we're seeing it now, is
where he expects a lot but doesn't necessarily know how
to work to get it or like knows the process
to get there or wants anybody else helping get him there.
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And I feel like, right now, we're seeing luke at
his worst. I think, I mean, it has to be
like he has to be at his worst right now.
Oh yeah, well no, he could get worse. I think
he can get worse. So here's the question for everybody
out there listening and you Ashley right, is is there
is Luke P have a redemption story like on Paradise
(28:16):
right He's a big muscular guy, Like he's obviously like,
you know, attractive, at least he told us he was, Like,
is there a redemption story for Luke P? Or is
this kind of one of those scenarios maybe like the
Chads of the world, that we see Luke P kind
of leave the Bachelor franchise on a note that's confusing
(28:37):
a little bit weird, and that he definitely has never
showed us his best life because at this point we
haven't seen a side of luke P that at least Twitter,
I mean, I'm reading right now, Twitter hasn't reacted positively
luke P yet. So being that, I'm going to go
ahead and assume he doesn't win this thing, I think
we're all praying he doesn't win this thing. So assuming
(28:59):
he's not winning this thing, I definitely expect him in Paradise,
So I don't think he's gonna be done with the franchise.
I think with Chad, Chad went to Paradise, probably was
hoping to redeem himself, but then just got into deeper poop.
And I think that the same thing is going to
happen with Luca. But then again, remember last year's villain
with Becca, it was Chris. And now Chris win to Paradise.
(29:23):
He still then' look the best in Paradise for the
first couple of weeks, and then he ended up getting
engaged to Crystal and now you know they're engaged, had
been together for a year. So it could be like that.
But I don't think that Chris. Chris was like just
such a self sabotager. But like Chris didn't evoke this
(29:43):
like super anger that he Chris was a villain to
himself kind of, Yeah, Chris is more of a villain
to himself. Luke is more of a valaent to like
all of humanity. Yeah, and we, I mean we've always
said this, like I hope there's redemption here, Like we
I just hate to see what's happening, you know, with
the cams of the world. Cam's now gone, and I
(30:05):
felt like we never got to see a side of
him that Cam would want us to see. Um. Speaking
of that, actually, I promised our listeners that I would
pause at this point and asked going back to Cam's story, like,
does he it was his leg amputated? I mean, I'm okay,
so what happened? So a year ago on his Instagram
(30:28):
he talked about how his leg was almost amputated, how
you had to have thirteen surgeries on it, how he
has lymphidema um. So they basically thought he was going
to get to the point of his leg needed to
be amputated, but then the doctors were able to like
fix it amazingly. Okay has a leg? It was definitely
unclear though based on the episode. Okay, yeah, I just
(30:51):
couldn't quite track it. But anyways, okay, ash Uh. We
decided we hope Lupe has redemption. We hope it happens
on this season, and if it doesn't, we hope it
happens on Paradise. I think Cam, um, we really wish
that upon him as well, because both people so far
as kind of more Yeah, I agree, but we we
you know, like both seem to be going down a
(31:13):
path of just like negativity and of like the public's
perception of them not being good and as a result,
like you never want that Cam doesn't. He doesn't. I
just don't think he knows right now how to handle
this thing well. And so we hope for redemption. We're
looking forward to seeing. I think that's mebe the storyline. Actually,
I'm most intrigued by going the rest of Hannah by season,
(31:36):
not only her love story and who she's connecting with,
but also does Luke p find redemption because right now,
according to Twitter, he needs it? And does Cam come
on Paradise at all? And we get to know Cam better,
we know that Cam is gonna definitely be on Paradise.
He's like a shoe in for Paradise. He reminds me
of David the Chicken. He's like this season, very nervous,
(32:01):
talked too much, talked himself into like problems, and now
I feel like he's going to go on Paradise and
be a lot like David and just do the exact
same thing over again. But I don't think he's a
bad guy. I just think he's nervous, and like that
appears in this environment on TV a certain way. I
also think we cannot move beyond Cam without talking about
(32:22):
who looked way worse than Cam, and that was Jonathan
when he interrupted Cam and he was like, no, it's okay,
I got it. No, I got you, Bro, I got you.
It's okay, it's okay, it's I got it. We're going,
We're going. I'm like, are you kidding right now? I
thought he was. I thought it was such a gross moment.
He physically he physically interrupted, like he got in between them. Yeah. Well,
(32:46):
I mean but at the same time, no, no excuses
for that. You thought, how would you so Jonathan should
have asked for time? Cam says, can I get two
more minutes? Jonathan then steps away politely and as for
those two minutes and not get like that's the way
to handle that. Yeah, okay, that's fair, I get it.
(33:07):
It was a weird moment to watch. I don't know,
I didn't quite I was kind of like more just
awkward for both people. Like I just felt like it
was odd. It was actually the first time that in
this season that I think Hannah hasn't stood up in
a situation. I was just saying that over at access.
I was like, this is the first time where she
(33:27):
wasn't like you guys, you're behaving so disgustingly, because that's
what I would imagine. It'd be like you gross stop right,
But that was the only time to let it go
for some reason. Yeah, it was weird. So I don't
know if it was just too much, too fast, and
she was more like sitting there entertained. Actually, these guys
are both going home and this is wild and weird. Um,
(33:48):
she could have because they both went home, But it
was the first time that I thought she didn't stand
up in a situation she should have or could have.
Would be my first critique of her. Um As, I
want to break down this episode, be broken down the
guys that stand out. I don't want um if you
don't mind leading us through this episode pointing out the
(34:09):
most important moments, because, as I said at the being
the podcast, Ashley Uh, for the first time in a
long time, I'm super engaged and intrigued by this season.
I think Hannaby is doing a great job. I think
the guys are not only interesting and um, I'm super
captivated by a lot of them, but I also just
believe that this story is just like the story of
(34:31):
Hannah Bey and her men are just now starting, and
so let's continue the next chapter, episode three with your
breakdown in my side comments right now. Alright, let's start
at the top of our notes. The first day is
with Jonathan Mateo, John Paul Jones, Kevin, Jed Tyler see
Mike and cam Let's push Our Love to the Limit
(34:52):
was written on the date card and there were special
guests Jason Biggs and his wife Jenny Mullen, who used
to be the co host of After Paradise, and what
they had to do on this date was changed. Some
baby diapers, wear, some fake baby bellies, soothed fake babies.
But then we got to the real fun of it
(35:12):
and they had to do a pregnancy simulator. Jade and
I are always talking about how we want Jared and
Tanner to do this. It's I think that every guy
should go through this, and they even say that, of course,
this can't really simulate the kind of pain that you
actually go through with labor um. So Kevin volunteered to
go first. He did, okay. John Paul Jones was dying hilarious,
(35:36):
like his facial expression. He's amazing. I can watch him
do anything. Is he amazing because actually, sorry to interrupt
you here, but is he amazing because he's like datable
and like you think women are like into him because
I don't know this side. Because he's a good looking
guy or handsome. He's actually underratedly handsome in this sponge,
(35:56):
I think, but I think because he is so silly
that he comes crosses like your best guy friend and
like the guy that you like to watch because he's
so entertaining. He's like the class clown. But I don't
know that he is showing himself in any way to
be like Nah's husband. Yeah, okay, fair enough, perfect Paradise character. Okay,
fair enough. I like that. I mean I just didn't know.
(36:18):
Because he is good looking, he is funny. I hear
people talk aboutim a lot, and I was like, do
you think in Paradise he has a hook up or
a relationship or is he just going to be everybody's
best friend and leave early? Um? I think he should
bounce around so that we get to see him date
a lot of people, so we get to see as
much screen time from Jumpbols as possible. Um, let's see.
(36:43):
I loved Jed in that scene actually looked like they
were a couple about to have a child. Oh yeah, definitely,
it's it was so cute. There's like a lot of
emotion there, and then she pulled him away. First the
cocktail party, I know that, I know that she gave
Mike the rose there, but that was just one of
(37:04):
those group dates where she was like, I know, I
can't give Jed the rose again. But and I really
had a nice conversation with Mike. But Jed definitely is
the top of my list in this bunch. What do
you think so and this bunch as in this first date?
But un yeah, I think so. I mean, I think
Jed has some longevity to him. I don't I haven't
(37:27):
seen the charisma from him as much as just like
I think he's a kind guy. I think he's a
good guy, and he's a good listener, and I think
he intrigues Hannah. I haven't seen the kind of charisma
from him that maybe will be ever last thing on
this show. Like, I don't know if he's going to
show himself to Hannah enough. But yeah, he's definitely the
favorite of his first group. So Mike opens up about
(37:50):
his past with his ex his ex got pregnant, and
he said that he was all in, you know, he
was totally excited to be a dad. The end up
using the baby in the in the second trimester. And
what I was so confused about this scene is I
feel like something either was interrupted out like cam In
(38:10):
truly interrupted the scene and we didn't get to see
We didn't get to see the conclusion of the conversation. Um,
Hannah just forgot to ask this question, or um it
was added it out. But I was really wondering why
he blamed himself for the loss of the baby. He said,
it was my fault. I wasn't there enough that you know,
(38:34):
there's that that is a topic that obviously, like you said,
we just didn't see enough to like assume or even
make a sense want to make assumptions. But it was
definitely left open ended. I would my takeaway from that,
I could be completely wrong, was that he felt some
level of gil afterwards for the emotional support that he
(38:55):
was not giving during the struggle of pregnant pregnancy. Um.
You know, because as a man, you you don't feel
the emotions of pregnancy as much, and you can distance
yourself if you choose to from it, and I wonder
if maybe he did because of other circumstances, and now
he's feeling a guilt and remorse from that um and
(39:18):
he's admitting it to Hannah, which it takes a big
man to admit a huge failure like that. That's my assumption.
I don't know if it's true. Yeah, there's lots of
ways it could go. I do feel like he um
He expressed how excited he was for it, so I
wonder why he wouldn't have been there. You know, he
even said that he had this whole proposal set up
for anyway. Yeah, we we will possibly learn how learn
(39:41):
about that more later in the season, but for some reason,
feel like a doubt it's going to come up again.
We'll see um Camp pulls her aside all those zillions
of times during this date, and we already talked about
the whole Jonathan interruption. That is basically all I have
to say about that group date. Then we go into Connor,
(40:03):
who has the one on one of the week, and
I'm kind of excited that next week we get to
see two one on ones because big group dates two
of them an episode and get kind of overwhelming. But
Connor gets the group the solo date this week, but
she's not feeling good. It seems like she was like
under some super high stress because I don't even think
that she was like sick with the flu or anything.
(40:25):
I think she was like extremely dehydrated. Um. So they go.
So they end up having a date at her hotel room,
and it was it was sweet. I actually think that
even if he was only there for about an hour,
they probably got to know each other more in that
hour just lying there in bed. Then they would have
gotten to know each other if they were on some
(40:47):
high adrenaline date. Do you agree, Yeah, yeah, you know.
In my opinion, to summarize this date, there wasn't a
lot here more than the fact that they got to
spend time together. He was super sweet. We saw that.
I think the key moment actually that I want to
talk about um and then we can move on to
the group day because there just wasn't a lot here.
It wasn't much. I don't have anything to say about
(41:10):
it is the fact that he was expressing. Why aren't
we giving him a hard time for expressing that he
is falling in love with Hannah by writing these notes
to her, Because we'll give Luke p Uh, some just
criticism for thank he was falling a letter to her, Yeah,
(41:31):
he let in a letter to her. He ended it
with love Connor, here are the things I love about
Love Connor is not the same as I'm starting to
fall in love with you. Really really, I signed love Ashley.
If like it's a friend, even if it's like like
a quint An acquaintance friend. Also like the things I
(41:53):
love about you also not the same as I'm falling
in love with you. Yeah, I love you. Don't know, Yeah,
I get it. I I just saw it and I
was like, m I think we need to approach it. Finally,
we'll just bring it up. We know nothing about it.
Tyler g was sit home. We really don't know why
or how, but it is important to know if anybody's
(42:13):
wondering where in the heck of Tyler go? He's home now. Uh,
And we don't have a lot of context around that
to even speak on. Move it on now, Ashley to
group date number two with Dylan Garrett, Luke, p Grant, Lucas,
Pete Devon, Joey, Um, Joey. Who is Joey. I'm sure
there is a Joey. I just truly don't know. I
(42:34):
don't know if I even know who I think. I
don't know who Joey is either. Um, that's probably not
this week, So that's why we don't know who. I
don't think, poor guy. That's always sad when you see
these guys on the show and they give up so
much time and then they watch every episode probably with
their families, like oh, I'm on the Bachelorette and oh
(42:56):
and then you watch you like I actually never said
a word. Um, like I know, like was never there? Okay? Um, Actually,
you know, I don't want to keep our listeners around
too much longer because I know we've we've overwhelmed them
with podcasts recently. So still see through this one. Um
there was It was an interesting day. The faster continues
(43:19):
to come back to the pictures of the animals thing.
I think it's funny, I think it's weird. I think
I think you could fast forward this part of the day,
this part of the episode, and you probably wouldn't have
missed a thing. They even teased up the whole Demi
surveillance camera thing again, and I was very excited for
her to catch a guy, and I really I was
kind of dying for the drama of her catching luke
(43:42):
P saying something stupid, but they cut nothing. You could
have fast forward to this of teen minutes and not
lost the thing. I agree, No, I think you're exactly right.
So let's do it. Let's fast forward these fifteen minutes.
Say that it was funny, it's worth watching, it's entertaining. Um,
it's somewhat cute, but really we need to get down
to the nitty gritty, which is at the cocktail party
(44:03):
that evening or the after party, we see luke P really,
I mean, all we get to really see is luke
Pe self employing. Obviously, we as we talked about the
beginning of the episode, we see pilot pete Um really
kind of crushing it and becoming a fan favorite. I
think favorite why you're like him? Agreed, Um, So let's
(44:25):
do that now, and then I want to talk to
you Ashley about just we've we've overdone it now, but
just where you think this goes from here? And then
let's move it into the tailgate party, because we've honestly
talked a lot about luke P and his self implosion
and why he's self imploding. But I do want to know.
I'm intrigued. Why do you think people are comparing me
to Pilot Pete? You have like a natural innocence about
(44:48):
you both, So I don't know if you, as a
guy like love. Do you like that? I don't think. So.
Actually have a mustache right now that I'm rocking from
a camping weekend, and I feel like it does allow
me to get a little bit tougher. So any innocence
I had last week is gone now because this mustache
makes me a bad boy. Okay, okay, you also have
(45:11):
some boyish charm. You have definitely the same type of
boyish charm. You have quite a physical resemblance. It's pretty crazy.
He just has lighter hair than you. And then I
think that it's the way you both listen and engage,
because when you listen to somebody and and when you
(45:33):
ask questions, you like truly want to know, You want
to get deep, you want to know about them, You
really care. It's just something about the way that he
looks at her is kind of the way that you
would look at your girls, truly caring. Good listener. There
you go, So, I mean outside, that's really sweet of you,
(45:55):
and it's great to be compared to this guy, because
I do think he's he's carry himself well and I
do enjoy watching him. If he's the next Bachelor, I
think he's not there for it if he's not with Hannah. Okay,
I like, you know all the things you said, if
it's something that I have or not. There are kind
(46:16):
things and they're good things to have and and qualities
that I think we should all try to hold on to.
But I do think Pilot Pete, he said something that
stands out is the one character there in this season
that has other than Mike. I think Mike has done
a good job at this as well as really engaged
into getting to know Hannah well. And as a result,
(46:37):
it's fun for me to watch their interaction because I
learned more about Hannah during it, and I also learn
more about a guy that she I think doesn't even
know how infatuated she is with him yet, but I
think she's really infatuated. Yeah, he he won her over
last night. I think he became a front runner last night.
I can tell you when I talked to her during
her week four of filming that she had rs in
(47:00):
her eyes talking about Pete. So I'm not like expoiling
or anything. Because I talked to her right after this
rose ceremony that we saw last night, and she just
could not stop talking. She was like she could stop
talking about Peter. She had like other guys that she
was talking about. She told me that she was really
into Luke and Jed. No surprise there, but she said
(47:20):
that during week three Peter really um she he really
just like left her with a good feeling after that
week when he pushed her against that wall and made
out with her, it made quite a big effect. What
a move. Never failure to push somebody up against the
wall and just make out with them. Yeah, it's really
always a good when you're in a cordially dating relations
(47:41):
you can only go wrong. You can't go wrong with
it if it's mutual anyway. Actually, yeah, we need to
move on now, because let's set up the scene here.
Hannah's had a huge week. There's been some sickness, some stress.
I mean, this is this is when exhaustion starts to
take over. Chris Saterson has the idea of hey, of
(48:03):
just like, hey, let's relax, Like, let's let Hannah kick
her feet up and rest and relax and enjoy a
time with her guys. And this is where I think Cam,
Um I said at the beginning of the podcast, and
I want to hear actually, if you agree to disagree,
it's not the content of uh Cam's story that is
a little bit frustrating at all, because it's a it's
(48:26):
his story, and his story is powerful and it should
be told and should be told often. And it's the
context of when he told it that was a little frustrating,
because it's a week that she's trying to relax and
he feels like he has his last ditch efforts, so
let's tell her a story. Um. And it just felt
like the timing of this was sad because I thought
Hannah was really gonna have an evening just to rest
(48:47):
and have fun. It's always week three that these rose
ceremony cocktail parties are canceled and there's a barbecue pool party.
Is this interesting? It's always weak three, um, Cam, Definitely.
I mean, what did you feel. I don't know if
you talked about this yet, but how do you feel
about him telling the group that he really wanted to
go first have his alone time with her and um
(49:09):
tell her a sad story or something very important about
himself early on. How do you know about him claiming
the time I'm gonna I have a couple of buddies
like Cam. Um what I think Cam did? I think
his intentions were good. I think he was actually, like,
I mean, uh, maybe a self aware of person because
Cam is obviously self describing himself through this whole show.
(49:31):
So Cam and I aren't getting along if he came
on the podcast right now, I tell him, you self
describe yourself like the Chicken man, like over and over
and over again. And as a result, we've got to
confront that and talk about it. Like, I've got to
help him. I don't know if I can't help him.
I just got to help him figure this out because
self describing is not gonna work if I'm gonna watch
paradig But anyways, bad Ben. When he said I'm a
(49:51):
deep person and then he referred to MF my third person,
he referred to himself the person I'm a deep person.
I mean, nothing could make I mean you know that
everybody out there listening knows this. And I'm on my
couch like, oh, like stick to my stomach. But I
think what Cam should have said that the guys was, hey,
I have a story that means a lot to me
that it's made me and define me to be the
(50:11):
man I am today, and the man I am today
is some one that Canada doesn't fully know yet, and
she doesn't know like the recent things I have gone through.
And as a result, gents, I would love the time
before the even this date even starts, to be able
to tell her about this, because I think it's only
fair to me and her that she knows this side
of me, because if not, I don't make sense unless
(50:31):
she knows this piece of me. I think it's how
he framed it by saying I want to tell her
a sad story, or even in his mind believing that
it's a sad story, because I don't know if it
is our stories and anybody that they're listening, your story
is not a sad story. There's pain in those stories
and their stories that aren't ideal. But your story is
(50:52):
one of power and one that you should stand on.
It is your platform, and none of us should judge
you to the each other for the stories that we have.
And I think by him framing in this context of
my story is a sad story or it's a sadder
story than most is where he went wrong. He definitely
messed up there, and I think there was a genuine
misunderstanding between him and Mike because Mike went on to
(51:14):
later tell Hannah that Cam wanted a pity rose and
told the guys he was going for a pity rose.
But based on what we saw, he never said I'm
going for a pity rose. I think Mike just like
took his words and kind of formulated it into that
um but on. So I'm defending Cam there. But if
(51:36):
Cam did truly want to talk about his lymphedema and
the fact that he almost had his leg amputated, which
I think is an important story to tell somebody, you know,
early on in a relationship, I don't think he necessarily
had to add that his grandma passed away during you know,
the surgery time, and that he had to keep up
with ten months old puppy that he was raising. Like
(51:59):
that just made it seemed like he was trying to
tell us ob story for a pitty rose. But I
think that was just Cam and his word vomit. He
I think then in some way he was like, all right,
she may feel a bit more bad for me if
I continue with this part of the story and that
part of the story. But it also could have been
Cam word vomit. I don't know, trying to give him
(52:19):
benefit of doubt. Yeah, I mean I think that, like
you said that, he just gets overwhelmed, He gets jittery,
he starts talking, and he doesn't know exactly what he's
saying either way, Like cam story is one that does
make him make more sense, Like it is a powerful story, UM,
that we should know about him, especially if he's building
this relation with Hannah. I just think it's when he
(52:40):
told her was at one problem because it's at a
tailgate party when she's supposed to be having fun. And
I think it's how he told it that made it
all As listeners go and and well, come on, Cam,
like a little too much. Uh probably could have be
framed up a little differently and what are you trying
to get out of this? Um? And that's I think
a big part of why he went home. It was
(53:00):
too much, it was too weird. And now Cam has
gone along with Jonathan Joey Cam and obviously the tyler
G who we don't know a lot about, is now
out of the picture. UM. Ashley close up the podcast
I love doing this with you starting about this week.
Who's your top three? What's your grade for Hannah, and
what's your grade on the entire season so far? My
(53:24):
grade for the season is like a B two B
plus and then my grade for Hannah as an I,
and then my top three are Peter, Jed, and Well,
(53:45):
I guess right now, I'm going to have to say
Luke is ahead in Hannah's eyes. Oh that's surprising to me.
I'm gonna go saying grades as you do. In my
top three, I've got to throw my boy Grant in
there just I don't think you're gonna make it much farther,
but I gotta give that guy some some maritime I
get dude as a as a solid yere right now. UM.
(54:07):
I do think Peter and Jeff Jet are definitely UM
up there as well, so Ashley. I think it's a
great breakdown, another good episode from Hannah by We're surprised, impressed,
and in love with Hannah by um, and let's just
keep pumping out. I told the face, I told the
listeners about all the in depth episodes we have coming
up that we already had. If you guys don't know
(54:30):
the UM Hannah in Depth was released on Saturday, so
go check that out, and last week we also released
the Caitlin Bristow in Depth. Those are two terrific ones
that you pulled off on your own, ash super talents. Hey,
I gotta say, Mike's probably up there. I'm gonna take
out Grant. I think Mike. I'm just looking at my
notes here. I think Mike is definitely. We could slip
(54:52):
Connor in there. Jeez, there's a lot of them right now. Anyways, Hey,
ash we gotta keep bringing down these guys. It's gonna
be an interesting season in I'm gonna talk to you,
Ashley keep I know you're a busy girl. You've got
a lot of breakdowns to do, a lot of breakdowns. Um,
So get out of here. Let's let's go and enjoy
another week during Bachelor's season with that. I've been been later.
(55:17):
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