10-15-25 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie discusses the Cincinnati judiciary's approach to bond and bail for violent criminals with Judge Josh Berkowitz. Also Senator John Husted explains why the Democrats are being unreasonable with their demands to reopen the government. Steve Goodin and Cory Bowman join Willie to discuss the potential firing of Cincinnati Police Chief Teresea Theetge. Finally Ohio Supreme Court Justice Joe Deters makes a rare state appearance.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Bill Cunningham the Grand American and welcomed this.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
A Wednesday afternoon in the tri State, the weather is
perfect once again, but Saturday and Sunday rain is predicted.
Plus tomorrow night. The Steelers in town, the Bengalley's are
what two and four they win the next three games
or five and four. They were five and four when
they went to the Super Bowl. So I have hope.
I have hope and Joe Flacco and I have hope
that maybe there'll be a quarterback controversy, that Flacca will

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be so good that Burrows can't get his job back
if he comes back in December. That's my hope. But
until then, we have serious problems in the River City.
I have Senator Euston coming up later. I have Britney
Ruby coming up later. I have Justice Joe Dieters coming
up later, plus my commentary. But until then, Judge Joshua Berkowitz.
Judge Berkowitz is the presiding judge of Hemny County Municipal Court.

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And for those who may not know that, the first
appearance generally of a criminal defendant felony or misdemeanor, is
in front of a judge like Berkowitz, and they set
bond and the case normally goes to the grand jury.
Then it's another bond is set in common police cord
across the street. But until then, Judge Josh Burker, which
welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,
we had some more terrible violence on Fountain Square. I

(01:14):
see that eighteen people have been wounded shot in and
around Fountain Square since the start of the year. And
one of the persons doing the shooting through the plate
glass window was on probation because of previous flowious assaults
committed by him earlier this year, and so he's out.
So just in general, what is the difficulty you see
on the ground as one of the judges who actually

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set bonds, many of which your fellow judges are setting
no cash bonds.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Sign your name and lee for serious offenses.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Thank you, Bill, thanks for having me on again. I mean,
this just couldn't get more alarming. I feel like what
we're witnessing here in Cincinnati is nothing short, nothing less
than a descent into third world lawlessness. I can't really
believe it. I grew up here, born and raised here.

(02:07):
This was a safe city. That's not to say that
there was never crime, of course there was, but this
escalation of violence and a complete absence of consequences for
all manner of criminal behavior. It's flat out scary, and
I think it is touching the lives of every person

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in this region, whether you work here, live here, whatever.
People are fed up with it, and they should be.
This is the predictable product of twenty years of bad
progressive criminal justice policy that you know, among other things,
was sold on the public in this community and around

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the country that this would make us safer.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
What you mentioned, no cash bail, talking about the move
to empty prisons, to not send convicted felons to prisons,
to not lock people up in the county jail, to
treat victims, to ignore victims of crime, and to treat
the police as the villains and the responsible party when

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there's a criminal act. All of that contributes to this
atmosphere of lawlessness in the city of Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Josh bergerits you.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
You did a TV interview a few nights ago in
which you had some statistics from I think it was
twenty nineteen, about six years ago, and you might recall
fifteen or twenty years ago while you were probably still
in high school. There was movements a foot to double
the jail space. How many county jail wasn't able. We
were double bunking criminals and there was a federal judge

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ordering Hamilton County to release criminals. My wife, when she
was on the bench would get emails from Sheriff Simon
Lee's at eight am, not accepting anymore any more criminals.
Today we're full up, We're more than full. And because
of bonds being set and judges like you, not twenty
years ago, but currently would send people to Hanny County
Jail for like thirty days, give them a taste, break

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the cycle.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
But what are the facts statistics.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now in twenty twenty five as supposed I think it
was twenty nineteen, which wasn't exactly a long time.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
It was not a long time ago six years ago.
I compared the dates October fourteenth, twenty twenty five October
twenty October fourteenth, twenty nineteen. The population six years ago
of the Justice Center was fifteen hundred and fifty people, Okay,
one hundred supposedly over capacity of the Justice Center, which

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supposedly has a capacity of fourteen fifty two. Yesterday, the
capacity at the Justice Center still fourteen fifty two and
the population was something like twelve sixty, so almost two
hundred empty beds.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Just yesterday. The whole floors, whole floors of the Justice.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Center are empty. You know, we started getting these emails
every day from the Sheriff's department letting us know about
the population. You know, ten years ago when I started,
when that overpopulation was such a concern, and at times
they had to send inmates to Butler County. And I'm
proud of the fact Bill I never bought into it.

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You know, they would they would kind of subtly, Hey, judge,
maybe the way you set bonds. You know, we've got
this overcrowding situation. I never thought that was our responsibility
as judges. That's the sheriff's responsibility to maintain the jail
under the Constitution of Ohio. And they took steps to
deal with it. They'd send inmates to Butler County. Now

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we've got a situation and we can see the numbers
in black and white. Two hundred empty beds in the
Hamilton County Justice Center, right, I mean, that is outrageous.
Does anybody think that there's three hundred less crimes occurring
in Hamilton County right now than there were six years ago.
No nobody believes that.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, if you're Joe Strucker living a simple life in
a good way, what do you say to him? As
far as having the open beds, how come there are
two to three hundred open beds. You're a judge sentencing people,
there are setting bonds. Why are there so many open
beds when there's more crime?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I think it's a reflection of those progressive policies. These
are policy choices in setting bonds, in fashioning sentencing on
misdemeanors and on felonies, and it's a reflection of progressive
police policies from City Hall. There's no question that the
administration at City Hall and in the Cincinnati Police Department

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have actively discouraged proactive law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
There's no question.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Whether you're talking about, you know, traffic enforcement, or you're
talking about going after illegal guns or illegal drugs, or
trying to get at the violent offenders, you name it,
there is no question. I mean, look, there's something like
one hundred or two hundred police officers down from where
the contract says they should be. They're not putting the

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resources necessary to combat crime. But more importantly than the
numbers to me is they have actively discouraged proactive policing.
And they did this proudly a couple of years ago.
They were proud of themselves that they were reimagining police work.
If you remember the language of twenty twenty, that they

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didn't they didn't want officers proactively identifying and going after
people carrying illegal guns, carrying illegal drugs, engaged in illegal trafficking. Well,
that's how you get at that's how you interrupt those
cycles of violence.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Before they happen.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
You get the people carrying an illegal gun, you get
the people engaged in drug trafficking before it goes over
into shootings, and innocent people are caught in the crossfire.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
When I practice actively on the criminal defense bar, if
you had a client on a no driver's license or
driving under suspension, or driving with no insurance, it was regular.
If you're in front of a judge Jack Rosen or
even a judge Robert Gorman Democrat, Rich Kneehouse Democrat, Skip
West Democrat, they would go to jail. Because if you

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drive a car and you don't have a license and
you don't have insurance, that's like a serious offense today,
Scottie Johnson and others tell police, if you do that,
we're going to have a Pandora's box. Well pull somebody
over speeding, Well you're going thirty five and a twenty five.
Let me see your license. Well I don't have a license.

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And let me see your insurance. I don't have insurance.
You run them as there's two warrants out for your arrest.
Get out of the car now your hand's on and
they might find in the car other stuff. When you
talk about proactive policing, if someone's walking around downtown Cincinnati
smoking a joint or injecting himself with drugs. For the
first time, yesterday I heard Chief of Police Fiji, who
by the ways, on extremely thin ice maybe single digits employment,

(09:16):
say that we're going to quote confront you. You will
be confronted if you're violating your criminal statute. If you're confronted,
what the hell does that mean.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm not familiar with that terminology in the law bill.
You know, none of this stuff used to be controversial
ten years ago. Even ten years ago when I took
the bench, there was not this this divergence of approach
when it comes to bond setting. For example, all the
judges that you mentioned and the judges that were on

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the bench, whether they were a Democrat or Republican, it
didn't matter. It just wasn't a controversial thing to you.
If you saw a dangerous individual, how do you know,
well the base, the seriousiness of the allegation, the criminal history,
their history of failure to appear in court. You know,
serious bonds were set on serious cases and that was

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not something that was terribly controversial. But like I said,
that progressive philosophy, and.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
It was very it was very proudly.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Brought to the bench that we're going to just like that,
reimagining police, defunding the police, ending cash bail. I mean,
there's this mentality amongst the progressive activist lawyers and now
unfortunately some judges around the country that views the jail
or prison as a as an absolute just unnecessary evil.

(10:40):
They just they load the concept of sending somebody to jail.
It's very very I mean, it's tragic in a number
of respects. Obviously it's made our community less safe, but
they ignore and overlook all of the positive things that
can happen. You know, when we set appropriate bonds on
serious cases. We have the potential to disrupt cycles of violence,

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cycles of addiction, cycles of abuse and trauma, you know,
all the things that that progressive minded people claim to
care so much about. We have the opportunity to send
a message to victims that our that our courthouse is fair,
that it's functional, that they're going to get justice here.
We have the opportunity to connect people with all kinds

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of services through the jail, mental health treatment, drug addiction treatment.
I mean, these are real, real opportunities, uh, to you know,
reduce violence in this community and and and push back
and to deter criminal behavior. And it's it's nothing short
of a tragedy that so many at all levels of

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government have seen that as as unnecessary and oh it's.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Just it's too expensive.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know, criminal justice is not a line item on
a budget. This is why people pay tax locally, state, federal,
so that they are not shot coming out of their
workplace or going out to dinner, so that they're not
in the crossfire, so that violent people are taking off
the streets and we can live in a safe community.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Judge Berkowitz I said to you off the air, this
is not democratic Republican I appeared in front of Democratic
judges like Cheryl Grant or Andrew West or Nadine Allen
or rich Niehaus or feller Off for Gorman, go down
the list, and there wasn't a great separation between Democrat
and Republican, but today there is. And I think that

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George Floyd effect in twenty twenty was a key part
of that. That there was a sense that we have
to reimagine criminal justice. So now we have judges like
Kerry Bloom who's in juvenile court that doesn't want to
sentence somebody to jail because jail inflicts more harm upon
a defendant than the defendant inflicted upon the victim. There
was a report by Channel nineteen Fox nineteen that so

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far this year she has sent one seventeen year old
to adult court for an adult crime involving a gun.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
And so.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Are you exasperated when you get with your fellow judges
and you must run around with the other thirteen or
fourteen of them?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Is there a sense?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Is there a disagreement, Is there an argument or simply
all of you are like different islands together.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, you know, I try to focus on my responsibility
when I set bonds. You know, that's my I believe
I take seriously our constitutional responsibility to consider public safety
when we're setting bonds. But I'm not in another courtroom.
I'm not in front of these other judges. I don't

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I'm not looking over their shoulder, and I don't know
their thought process. I would hope that everyone on our
court takes this responsibility seriously. I hope that people are
starting to uh that these policies, like I said earlier,
you know, they were all not just supposed to be
more fair, not just supposed to be, you know, less expensive.

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They were all pitched to the to the community and
to the court as they would make our community safer.
And by any measure, it has been an abject failure,
an absolute failure in every sense of the word. And
I would hope that the judges who are on the court,
both my colleagues and municipal court and in the common

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Police Court where a felony sentencing occurs, I hope that
people wake up to the reality this community. I don't
care what neighborhood you're in. It's not just ken Wood,
it's not just Indian Hill. People across this community want
safe neighborhoods, safe streets. They want their kids to be
able to go to school without fear of one fire.

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They want they want to be able to go out
and enjoy a ballgame or a night out at a
at a restaurant downtown without worrying about you know, what
happened between the car and the front door.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
That is not and it shouldn't be too much to ask.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Those are reasonable expectations, and it's not being delivered right now.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Two to three hundred empty beds in the Hamlet County
Justice Center tells exactly what's happening. But Judge Josh Burko,
which we have to go and we'll see what happens.
We get the government we deserve, and we need better
judges and not Democrat Republican. We need those who sentence
criminal to jail and keep people in jail, locked up
for serious crimes. And about half the bench doesn't do it,

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and half do and you're in the part that does
it correctly.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
But Judge Josh burgo, yeah, go ahead, judge.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
You know the great thing about the system of electing
judges in Ohio is that people have a voice. They
have the opportunity to choose what kind of justice system
that they want in Hamilton County and around the counties
of Ohio. Every one of us, every judge, has to
stand for election.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
You know, public safety is.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
One hundred percent on the ballot right next to me
when I'm running this fall. And for people who want
to get involved, they can go to keep Judge Burkerwitz
dot com.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
They can get involved, they can.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Express their support and voice their desire to live in
a safe community. And yeah, elections have consequences. We have
an opportunity to send a strong message that this community
still cares and still demands public safety. I believe we do.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
And I think we're going to send us strong messages.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
I hope.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
All right, Judge burker Wesh, thanks for coming on the
Bill Cunningham Show.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And Judge, you're a great American. Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Thank you, Bill, I appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well let's continue with Mark coming up later as a
United States Senator, and also Brittany Ruby and also Justice
Jeaters on news radio seven hundred WLW. You know, the
more I listen to Lance McAllister, the more I like
and the guy's got some talent. Join me and listening
to him every night six to nine ET cetera. Let's
get down to specifics. Let's name names. Setting up today's

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big show. I want to thank Judge Josh Berkowitz for
coming on somewhat difficult, and I know he's going to
catch some flak from some for telling the truth. But
the truth will set you free. And the fact that
we have two to three hundred empty beds in the
Hamley County Justice Center also known as the jail, is
indicative of a large problem with the judges of Hamilton County.

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This is not may I say, Democrat or Republican, or
male versus female, because some of the best conservative judges
I know are female, like Penelope R. Cunningham or Sharon
Kennedy or Melba Marsh. There's all kinds of good female judges,
all kinds of good Democratic judges. For many years, whether

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it was Judge Gorman or Judge West, Judge Morey Kneehouse,
Judge Richard Neehouse or Judge Nadine Allen or Cheryl Grant
or Andrew West, they were all Democrats, but they had
a sense of protecting the community from the criminal element
in which they lived. It's kind of odd the Democrats,

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that's the party that elects judges that have a no
cash bond, no one goes to jail attitude. When the
defendants in front of these democratic judges prey upon the
black community itself, one might ask, isn't that somewhat odd?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
But this is where we are.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I am told by knowledgeable sources that the days of
Chief of Police Teresa Thigi are numbered in the single digits.
She's going to be the fall guy, the fall girl
for what's happening. She has completely lost the confidence of
her command staff. She speaks to the media, but doesn't
speak to the command staff, the many women in blue.

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She doesn't go to districts, and there's no respect, no
respect between the command staff of CPD and the cops
in the street on the one hand, and Chief of
Police Tersa. Thigi on the other. You might know that
she's left town. She's in Denver allegedly for a three day,
four day Chief of Police conference. They're working out her

(19:08):
severance package, and they want to bring in someone that
commands the respect of the men and women in blue
because they.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Don't respect her. That's a problem.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I'm also told that the Sheriff of Hamilton County, Charmaine McGuffey,
has stepped forward to say I will fill the breach.
In fact, one politician told me that they kind of
asked the sheriff, Charmaine McGuffey, if she can also serve
as the chief of police, and the answer was no,

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can't do that. But see, the jurisdiction of the sheriff
is as complete on Fountain Square as it is in
Sycamore Township. It's the entire county. And she is outraged
at what she sees in her city. And she does
have the respect of her command staff. And you talk
to the men and women in gold and black operating

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the Sheriff's department, they say, we respect that that woman
right there, Charmaine McGuffey. We respect her because she came
up through the ranks, held every lousy job in the
Sheriff's department. She was a corporal, a sergeant, lieutenant, a
captain of commanders, come all the way up. So all
those years she built relationships up and down the ladder
with the men and women in gold and black who

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wear the sheriff's uniform. So look forward in the future
to Charmaine McGuffey to get a much larger role. I
also would note that because the election is only about
two and a half weeks away, that I have to
have Pureval has seen the promised Land, he's seen the light,
so he kind of wants at this point the state
to come in and do more stuff so that the

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Feds don't come in and do a lot of stuff.
You heard Anna Albie with Scott Sloan, and she's completely
lost her way as a left wing radical. Blaming guns
for violence is like blaming cars for car recks. But nonetheless,
we've had that argument so many times in the past,
is not worth repeating it. One of the safest places
to be is at a gun show, in which there's

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thousands of guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition and
hundreds of people with guns everywhere, and nobody gets shot.
No such a thing as gun violence. There's three hundred
million guns in the country. Guns do not commit violence.
Cars do not commit violence. People operating cars and operating
guns they do commit violence. And we got law upon

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law after law about who can drive a car, who
can't drive a car, who can own a gun, who
cannot own a gun? Three day waiting period, You got waiting,
You got this, you got that. They're all kinds of loss.
It is not about some inanimate metal objects that is
never on its own hurt anyone unless it's fired an
accident well by itself.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
That's not a problem.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
So it's absurd for Anna Albie to talk about guns
are the problem, or have to have pure of all
who's completely lost his way guns are the problem. It's
like blaming a Chevrolet if some driver drives drunk, uses
it improperly and hurts someone, and no one locks up
to Chevrolet. So it is ridiculous. It's an excuse because

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of the failure of their policies. That's why guns are
mentioned so often my Democrats. It's an excuse and a
diversion from reality. Getting back to the question at hand.
After have pireval has determined that Chief of Police, Teresa
Thiji must go, it's reached national proportions. I may play

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later for you a national commentator talking about the city
of Cincinnati and how absurd it is to have a
chief of police that looks like she belongs on a
can of Dutch Boy soup Dutch Boy paint. That would
be Thiji saying We're going to confront you. If you
commit crime, you will be confronted It isn't call it
confronting somebody, It's called arresting somebody that tried and true works.

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As Josh Berkowitz said, number one, you need cops to
arrest criminals. Number two, you need prosecutors to prosecute criminals.
And number three, you need judges to send criminals to prison,
not like Judge Carrie Bloom, who never met a criminal
she didn't like.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And I will name names.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I will name names because we have about half the bench,
our disciples of restorative justice, who bought into the arguments
about defunding the police and emptying out the jails after
the so called George Floyd riots, using that as an
opportunity to impose left wing socialism on our major cities
which have largely collapsed the past five years, including the

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city of Cincinnati. So that disastrous news conference yesterday by
the chief of police kind of sewed her up as
to be replaced soon by someone, and the mayor's looking
around now to have an interim chief appointment to get
him through until election day. I would be shocked if

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Fiji at this point can save her job. And I
also would be surprised if Charmaine McGuffey the sheriff doesn't
step up and say I'll do my job. You might
recall I had her on about a month ago. She
issued hundreds of citations, confiscated many guns, and arrested individuals
on warrants. But then once they get into the court system,
her hands are tied about what she can do. As

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Josh burkele Weish just said, we have two to three
hundred empty beds because municipal court judges and common police
court judges do not set appropriate bonds considering public safety
as they're required to do, and doesn't want someone to
go to prison and the good old days like ten
years ago, you might have three to five years on
the shelf and then go to Hamlety County jail for

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like ninety days. Give you a taste, then you get out.
You serve you ninety days. You might get out in
seventy five days with good behavior. You've been prison. You've
been in jail for two two and a half months
and on the shelf is three years. Now reform your life.
But we have several judges in Hamlet and County who
give no cash bonds because it's not fair, and secondly,

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who will not send people to prison. They include Judge
Jennifer Branch, Katie Cash, Judge Wendy Cross, Judge Allison Hathaway,
Judge Christopher Jenkins, Judge Virginia Tallon, Judge Dante Johnson, Judge
Dwayne Mallory, Judge Bill Mallory. One of the worst is

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Judge Samantha Silverstein, brand new judge public defender type who
gives no cash, bonds constantly on felonies, and doesn't send
people to jail. Judge Samantha, I'll give her extra commendations
along with Carrie Bloom. Judge Samanthas Silverstein does not think
people belong in jail, and of course Judge Deniah Trotter.

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All these happen to be Democrats, and all believe in
the principles of restorative justice, that is, it's unfair to
send a criminal to jail. Does many have said, like
Judge Carry Bloom and Juvenile Court that jail Juvie Court
at twenty twenty Auburn or Upstate causes more harm upon
a juvenile than the harm the juvenile inflicted upon the victim.

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So when you judges who believe in restorative justice, judges
who believe in sanctuary city status, judges who believe that
bonds should not take into account public safety, which by
the ways, against the law. Just because some criminal can't
afford to post a bond while some rich guy could
doesn't mean that the poor guy shouldn't get a break.

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It used to be when you committed a serious crime,
you got a serious bond. But if you're Judge Samanthas
Silverstein or one of the Mallories, or Dante Johnson or
Janiah Trotter, you don't think so. That's why there's two
to three hundred empty beds right now in the Hema
County Jail, and normally judges like Josh Berkowitz or Judge
Winkler or Judge Tinklocker wants to fill them up with

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criminals who should be in.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Jail and not on the street.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Like the guy who was twenty four years old convicted
a few months ago this year of felonious assault causing
serious physical harm to another is out on probation because
of the activities of judge when you cross, who doesn't
want to put criminals in jail who commit serious crimes. Secondly,

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because of George Floyd and others, there was a movement
accepted in Cincinnati Hamleton County that sheriff's departments and cops
and aren't going to pull over individuals for minor traffic
violations because it might lead to something else. In this world,
if you're a judge, if you're a judge or a
council member, Scottie Johnson or Victoria Parks or of course

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Lemon Kearney, you should represent properly the black community, and
you do not, since the great bulk of the crime
committed is in the black community by zip code. The
zip codes tell you where the black community is, and
the crime in Cincinnati is largely a young black mail face.
All the great majority of young black males don't commit crime,

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but they believe locking up a black kid is the
system's problem. So the cops are told, and you've heard
me say this, you've heard Ken Cobra or the police
say this, we are disincentivized to pull somebody over who's
speeding down Madison Avenue, Madison Road, someone in Montgomery Road,
or someone on Reading Road. By the casino, you can

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see people zip through red lights and swerve around traffic,
leave they're line to travel and commit other traffic offenses
and cops don't pull them over. Why because they're not
supposed to. Why because if you pull them over, can
I see your ID? Can I see your license? Do
you have insurance? Is there anything in the car that
shouldn't be in there? Suddenly your hands on with a

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large number of people, and Scottie Johnson doesn't want that.
But when you do that, you find out illegal guns,
illegal drugs. This person has warns out for their arrest.
Then you got to arrest somebody. Then you put them
in the jail, and within twelve hours you're up here
in front of Judge Samanthas Silverstein and gosh what you
bond out quickly, you sign your name and you're gone

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to drive some more cars around. So we learned yesterday
from Chief of Police Thiech days are numbered that they're
going to confront criminals when they're committing crime in the
presence of cops. I don't call it confrontation. I call
it arrest. Put your hands behind your back. You're under
arrest for smoking pot publicly. That is a misdemeanor. You're

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using drugs in public and need to win your arm.
You're under arrest. You're speeding, you're under arrest, some sort
of burnout on Vine Street.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
You're under arrest. We fill up the jail.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
You might recall the judge just said five years ago,
I'm sorry. Six years ago, there was five hundred and
fifty inmates in the jail with a little bit of
double booking going on. Right now they're down two to
three hundred inmates, empty beds because judges are not sending
criminals to jail. They don't think it's fair, they don't
think it's right. In fact, Whendy Cross wants to go

(29:50):
back thirty or forty years and find out what Eldwood
Jones knew, who was a condemned murderer of Rhoda Nathan
and she freed him on She freed a condemned murderer
from death row and gave him an O R bond
to get out. Are you kidding me? No, that's the fact.

(30:10):
And so we have systemic difficulty, systemic problems. It is
a police department that's demoralized and doesn't pay attention.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
To the chief.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's a judicial system where half the judges are after
the George Floyd effects constantly and feeling sorry for people
who commit crime. And then you also have the Parole
Probation Board in Columbus who free people like Mordecai Black
throughout murder Patrick Herringer in his own home cutting off
his monitor and cp didn't pay attention. You got that issue,

(30:42):
But it begins with the cops on the street. Then
it has to go to the bench. You can't have
individuals supposedly representing all of us, but especially the black community,
that engages in decisions that hurt the black community. Are
you better off today than you are or four years ago?
With they have to have pure of all as the mayor,
Are you better off now? Huh So, the ten to

(31:06):
fifteen percent of my audience who live in the city
of Cincinnati, you have an opportunity to change things. And
if you fail to take that opportunity and you put
the same clowns in charge you have now, don't anticipate
different results. Anticipate more companies will leave downtown Cincinnati, Anticipate
more crime will be committed. And don't tell me, please,
don't tell me that there's less crime being committed today.

(31:29):
Garbage in, garbage out. Cops are told not to arrest people.
That's a reason crime reporting is down because criminals aren't
being arrested. Secondly, you're down twenty percent of the cops.
If there's twenty percent less cops, there should be at
least twenty percent fewer arrest.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Cops are the ones doing the arresting.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
So if you have twenty percent fewer cops, you have
twenty percent fewer arrest Just say exactly where you are.
Add on top of that the fact that individuals who
commit crime I'm in public are not being arrested by
the cops on duty. They'll see somebody committing a crime
and they won't arrest that person. Then the other twenty
percent of cops that don't exist, there's nobody to arrest

(32:10):
anybody anyway. Therefore, guess what, Hey, crime is down. Don't
worry about it. Crime is down. Look at the statistics.
Garbage in, garbage out. Crime is down because you have
twenty percent fewer cops. Crime is down because cops aren't
arresting people. I understand what I'm saying. That's the problem.
So the mayor is going to use Thiji as a
sacrificial lamb, then appoint somebody else either before after the election,

(32:33):
and move on. Can you smell when I'm cooking? Let's
continue we never stop. We simply continue. And coming up
after one o'clock today, we've scheduled Senator John Houston, former
lieutenant governor has held every position in the state of
Ohio now the United States Senate. And then also later

(32:55):
on we scheduled a representative of Jeff Ruby, Britney Ruby
will be here at two of five today to talk
about the closing of one of her facilities downtown Lampeka
and all of her offices, the crime situation. She issued
a press release yesterday, given the mayor twenty four hours
and he did hold the news conference at two o'clock yesterday.

(33:16):
That was a disaster for the chief of police. A disaster,
an unmitigated disaster, can I say it again? Disaster for
law enforcement. And it was at that point the mayor
in the back of his head said she's got to go.
So instead of staying in town, it was reported that
she's in Denver, Colorado, attending a chief of Police conferences.

(33:36):
The mayor puts together a severance package. Well it happened
before after the election. I don't know, but the mayor
thinks he's in trouble because of the campaign of Corey Bowman.
The mayor thinks he's in trouble, so he wants to
act as if things are going to be different. Let's
continue with more and line becomes available. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

(33:58):
seven thousand. I think the Bengals would do so well
tomorrow night, though it could be a quarterback controversy. I
think Flacco will do so well. People say we don't
need Joe Burrow anymore. Twelve fifty five, Home of your Bengals.
Who's radio seven hundred Wow, Billy Cunning emigreat America. We've

(34:23):
heard from judges now in the hamlet of County and
also later on. We have the scheduled any way, Britney
Ruby to come on. I talked to her this morning
at length. Scheduled to come on about two o'clock today.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
We also have.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Supreme Court Justice Joe Dieters coming on. They have everyone
coming on, including the junior senator from the great state
of Ohio, Senator John Houston, who's busy in Washington, not
too busy with the government shutdown.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
A senator.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I saw you a week ago presiding in the Senate,
and I felt particularly proud you were trying to get
the government shut down to conclude.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
But the Democrats won't do that.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Before we talk about the government shutdown, what is your
perception of what's happening now in the city of Cincinnati
and what role, if any, can the state and or
the fence play in bringing peace to River City.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
Well, Bill, it's great to be with you. It's an
unfortunate thing because I always say this about cities. Your
number one job when you're the mayor, the chief of police,
the city council is protect people and their property. If
you fail to do that, you fail to do that
fundamental thing, then people will not visit your city, People

(35:31):
will not invest there, people will leave, people, businesses will
move out of your downtown in your area. And it's
harming and it harms the people of your city the
most because not only does it make them unsafe, but
it also makes it weakened and economically weakens your your city.
And the only ex I mean, you tell me what

(35:52):
the explanation is to this, but why wouldn't you have
police there all the time, over time, showing the presidents
and basically saying, no, a heart of our central business district,
entertainment district, it will be safe. We invite the world
to come to Cincinnati because it's the safest city. Instead,
it's becoming a very dangerous city.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Center of the calls.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
In effect, PNG is grossly expanding its footprint in Mason.
They're getting prepared to downsize their facilities. You know, Macy's
has moved out, is now going to become try to
become apartment buildings. Most of the large businesses in Cincinnati
have their own police department because they can't trust the city.
I am told the chief of police Thiji is about

(36:36):
to become the fall guy. She's about to get a
copy of the home game because the mayor's policies don't work.
The mayor did a big news conference. I'm not sure
you were there, but the governor was there, the FBI
was there, the Department of Treasury was there, the US
Marshall was there, County prosecutors there, County sheriff was there,
accepting state help that never arrived because the mayor and

(36:57):
share along the city manager, it never triggered up requesting it.
And we look at the memorandum of understanding. It involved
two shifts a month having the state involved. And now
after yesterday's news conference, it appears the city they finally
have said to the County and to the state. We
need help get it done. We can't fix the roads.

(37:17):
We have potholes everywhere, Bridges are falling down, and the
police force does not listen greatly to the chief of
police order the mayor or to the city manager. That's
another complete different issue. We have car break ins. We
have more than twenty thousand shots every fired every year
rattling around Cincinnati. We're gonna have about four hundred people shot.

(37:38):
We're gonna have about one hundred people murdered. We're gonna
have about two thousand cars stolen and about fifteen thousand
car break ins. And you know, John, excuse me, Senator,
Cincinnati is like seven miles by eight miles.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
It's small.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
The public school system has forty six percent of the
children are chronically absent, and if you're a black boy,
you're chronically absence seventy one percent of the time. On
top of all this, we have two thousand kids in
foster care. We have a complete meltdown of the institutions,
and Corporate America is voting with their moving truck to
get out of downtown Cincinnati. What role, if any, could

(38:14):
the National Guard play? I know that was a topic
and the mayor debate, and you're kind of in charge
of that in a sense, what role does a National
Guard play to bring order to our city?

Speaker 7 (38:25):
Well, Bill, look, you needn't look very far away. Cleveland, Ohio.
The governor just sent a special violent crime reduction unit
to Cleveland with the Highway Patrol, and in one weekend
they captured five eight eight felony arrests, six illegal firearms recovered, okay,

(38:47):
and they captured a guy who was part of a
mass shooting last year. Okay, And like literally this was
in one weekend when when the city of Cleveland finally
relented and said, hey, we're going to accept help from
the Highway Patrol, the governor sent them in and they
captured all of these people who've been terrorized in the community.

(39:08):
You can do the same thing in Cincinnati. It's just
that you need to have a mayor and the chief
of police who are willing to let it happen that
you can do this with law enforcement. The challenge for
the National Guard is that they don't have they don't
have the ability to arrest people. They can protect, they
can create a presence, but they don't have they don't
have law enforcement powers. That's why sending in the highway

(39:31):
patrol is a better way to do it, because they
can arrest people, they can coordinate with law enforcement, and
they can clean up the streets. But you've got to
have local leaders who will do this.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Didn't happen. We had this big news conference a month ago.
It didn't happen. Had another one yesterday, and what's our
chief of police looked in the camera and told her
officers in uniform what to do. She didn't tell them,
she told the news media. And she says, if you're
committing crime in Cincinnati, we will con front you. We

(40:01):
will confront you. And I'm thinking confront me. I want
someone to be arrested.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
We have time.

Speaker 7 (40:07):
I will arrest you and prosecute you the fullest extent
of the law and get you off our street public
to protect businesses and do the thing that we need
to keep people safe. That's what she needs to say.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
No, we're gonna confront you, and I have, you know,
the county corner last Meson Market.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
Maybe maybe they could, maybe they could have admonished them to.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
You're gonna get You're gonna get time out in the corner.
I mean, come on, She says, we will confront you.
And if I'm a gangbanger with guns and I'm selling drugs,
breaking into cars and god knows, burglarizing, I have the
chief of police that looks like she belongs on a
can of Dutch Boy paint, who's telling me I'm gonna
confront you. That's like confront We have open air drug use,

(40:50):
marijuana frequently being smoked, and I hope the President doesn't
do much with that, by the way, because it's gone
into the children. We have open air drug markets. We
have homeless encampments, we have car break ins, we have
people getting shot on Fountain Square, and the chief police says,
you will be confronted.

Speaker 6 (41:06):
What why you got me?

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Now?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'm good, Now, I'm good.

Speaker 7 (41:11):
I'm Bill. I talked to some Cincinnati police officers recently
and I asked this question. I said, I said, look
what happens when you arrest people, because it's more than
just it's more than just the law enforcement. And then
you send them to court. Are they putting them away?
Are they are they taking the criminals off the street

(41:31):
and putting them in jail? And one officer told me
a story that there's a gas station a corner where
there's constantly fights, there's constantly drug deals going on. They arrest,
they arrest them, they take them to jail, and when
less than twenty four hours, they're back on the streets.
So the criminals know that you develop a culture in
your city based on whether you're tough on crime or

(41:53):
you're weak on crime. And once the criminals know that
there are no consequences for committing crimes, guess what they
commit the crimes and that's the culture that's being developed
that needs to be addressed.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
The Shell station on Central Parkway is the site of
massive drug sales captured on video on a daily basis,
and there are no arrest. When I talked to Ken
Coober of the FOP, they tell me we have the
indirect message not to arrest people unless it's required, because
Scottie Johnson and others on city Council don't want to

(42:28):
go hands on with someone. If you go hands on,
you might have an incident, you might have a warrant,
you might find out he's got a gun. We don't
pull people over for speeding reckless operation because we have
speed bumps. The speed bumps take the place more queue.
The speed bumps because the city council doesn't want police
to pull somebody over, run their warrants. Okay, you don't

(42:50):
have a license, you don't have insurance, their car's not registered,
got guns there. They don't want that to happen, So
we have speed bumps instead of cops. And on that point,
about an hour ago ahead on Judge Jush Berkowitz, who's
the presiding judge in Hamley County Municipal Court, he put
the cheese on the cracker. He said, half the judges
in my court believe in restorative justice. So I say

(43:10):
to him, Okay, I think I know what is restorative justice.
If you're a judge, that the fact is that needs
to restore justice to the criminal. A many times the
so called black community, the great majority of black kids
have nothing to do with crime. But the face in
Cincinnati is a black male face. And so if you
come out of the restorative justice movement, you believe in

(43:31):
no cash bonds, and you believe that putting a kid
in jail for that child is worse than the victim
penalty inflicted upon the victim. We have a juvenile court
judge Carry Bloom who's given talks on this subject. And
what she says in juvenile court, I do not want
to put black kids in jail. It's reparations, it's about slavery,

(43:52):
it's about affirmative action, it's about DEO. I don't want
to put black kids in jail. And she said, by
the way, a white female. But nonetheless, she says, half
the judges in Amity County do not sentence anyone to jail.
We have another good judge, a friend of mine, Alison Hathaway,
who released some eighteen and a half year old on
a gun charge. She reduced it, and then six weeks

(44:13):
later he kills a sixteen year old on OTR on
her watch, and now that kid's going to face life imprisonment.
So what do you do, Senator, if half the judges
or more in Hamley County do not want to sentence
anybody to jail and don't want to lock them up,
They want them all along the streets.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
What do you say about that one?

Speaker 7 (44:31):
They got to go to them out. That's what you
got to do with people. To do that, Bill is
pretty this is pretty simple. It's not the people. We've
got to start emphasizing with the victims and not the criminals. Okay,
the victims of these crimes are in many cases people
who live in who live in the city. They're typically

(44:52):
not visitors. There are people who call Cincinnati home. And
you're not protecting the innocent people of Cincinnati from the
criminals in Cincinnati. And it doesn't take much. You start
arresting people for committing crimes and put them in jail,
and that will send a message to other peoples do
not do this. Uh, it will act as a deterrent.

(45:15):
But right now, if you send the message that if
you commit a crime there will be no consequences, that
is an incentive. That is that is basically saying, go
ahead and commit crimes in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
I wish it.

Speaker 7 (45:27):
I wish it. I wish admonishment and stern warnings were
enough in the world.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
But they're not confrontations. We're going to we're going.

Speaker 7 (45:35):
To conn accountability. And that means that every once in
a while. That means that every once in a while
somebody is unfortunately going to go to jail and going
to go to prison. But that sends the message that
that behavior will not be tolerant. Tolerated, it becomes a
community standard in which people follow it. Community standards are
set by your leadership, your leadership and the law enforcement

(45:57):
and your judges. And if they don't set a community
standard that crime will not be tolerated, then they will
set a community center by default that crime will be tolerated.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Before we talk about the government shut down. Two different
judges have told me that the af Tad Peer of
All the mayor at these endorsement opportunities for their Democratic
liberal judges would always ask the question do you believe
in the restorative justice? Do you believe in no cash bonds?
And do you believe in treatment and lieu of incarceration.

(46:25):
Unless the judges answer I believe in all those things
af Taed Peer of All and the Hamilty County Democratic Party,
you will not get the endorsement.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
And so on the bench.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Now we have restorative justice thirty and forty year old,
largely females who came out of the movement of jails
or a waste of time, that jails hurt inmates more
than they assist, and that we believe in restorative justice
and therefore we won't send people to jail. And the
Hamony counties you know right now, Senator Hamliny County is
teetering to becoming Chicago bi storative justice.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
I mean, that's a nice thing to say. You know,
where you restore justice, you get people off the streets.
You give justice to the victims. Okay first of all,
and you know what we do in our prisons. We
give people a chance to rehabilitate themselves. It's a department
of rehabilitations, corrections. And once you're in prison, you can
go still earn credentials to get a job. You can

(47:17):
do all these things while you're in prisons, but you're
off the streets keeping people safe when that's happening. That's
how you restore somebody. You say, there's a consequence if
you don't behave We'll give you a chance when you
get out of here to go to work because we're
going to help you get a job, skill. But you're
not going to be committing crimes on our street and
making victor and we're going to protect the victims. We're

(47:38):
going to protect the standard of what it means. That's
that's the way you do restorative justice.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Ultimately, Senator, we have the government we deserve and we
don't deserve if you keep voting for the same individuals
anticipating a different result.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Nothing's going to change. About a minute remaining.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Can you give us an update on the government shutdown
which Chuck Schumer demands to occur. It's happening, Republicans say
a clean CR. Democrats won one point five trillion dollars
are more spending. Give us an update on the shutdown.

Speaker 7 (48:07):
The Schumer shutdown continues.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
We're going to vote again today.

Speaker 7 (48:10):
This will be the ninth time that I will have
voted to keep the government open, clean CR, keep funding
at the current levels. But Chuck Schumer, really, he really
exposed himself last week literally in the sense that he said, well,
every day that the government shut down goes on, it's
better for us, meaning Democrats. Well, you know what, that

(48:32):
really exposes his motivation because it's really about politics to him.
It's not the American people. It's not about whether our
military get paid. It's not whether our air traffic controllers
get paid. It's not whether our first responders get paid.
It's whether Chuck Schumer can score political points and keep
his job because he's scared of AOC running against him
in a primary in New York. And so we're being

(48:54):
we're being run by the radical left here in this
nation right now, because it requires sixty votes Senate to
get the government back open. We've had three Democrats vote
with us. We just need five more. But we will
not relent. We're not going to give in to him
wanting to fund health care for illegal immigrants. We're not
going to give in to his massive spending proposals. We're

(49:14):
gonna We're gonna do this the right way.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
We're going to remain strong.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
As long as it takes. But I hope things change
in Cincinnati. We have an election in two and a
half weeks, and if you don't change direction, you'll get
more of the same.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Senator John, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (49:29):
Bill, just just quickly. If you don't protect people and
their property, they're gonna leave. They're gonna leave, Cincinnati, businesses
will leave, people won't comfort to use your restaurants. And
you've got to restore public order and protect the people
of Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
You know.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Senator after Peeraval gives mouth service to that. He always
talks My job one two and three is public safety,
and if that's his job one two and three, he
needs to be unemployed. So Senator John used to get
my best everyone in Washington and thanks for coming on
the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, John Senator, thank you,
thank you. All right, let's continue with more. It's up

(50:07):
to you. The truth will set you free. Voting for
the same anticipating different result is the definition of stupidity.
Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 8 (50:17):
My message to everybody, learn how to behave in our city,
but especially learn how to behave and our downtown and
our Fountain Square. Do not come down town, especially on
Fountain Square if you don't know how to behave.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
And that's how it should be. And so that'd being said,
I'll shut up and open it up with questions.

Speaker 9 (50:41):
Oh hello, hello, yet and I'm broadcasting.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
I see you, you see me, I see you.

Speaker 10 (50:54):
I'm watching you, sag.

Speaker 9 (50:56):
That's our I tell you what, Willie, You're scared now.
I tell you I'm not going downtown.

Speaker 7 (51:02):
Hi.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
I'm the chief of police.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Like Gunsmoker the rifleman down there.

Speaker 11 (51:05):
I think my picture belongs on a Dutch paint can.
I'm the chief of police. And if you misbehave, I
see you, I know you. I'm gonna give you a time.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
They see you down there, a time out. She sees you.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
I'm gonna give you a time out. Okay, so please
follow the law.

Speaker 11 (51:19):
But breaking in the cars and shooting people because I
see you and I'm concerned about you, sag Man.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
You know what I'm saying. Say yeah, are you concerned?

Speaker 9 (51:30):
How many businesses are gonna be pulling out of down test.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
All of them?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Segment we have golfing royalty here? You sure do? Willie
explain to me.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Now we talk about state champions every now and every
now and then deer Park will go undefeed it on.

Speaker 9 (51:40):
To I mean, how many? How many is zipper sell
Marion one? Four in a row, four in row?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I got another one.

Speaker 9 (51:45):
It's four consecutive, four consecutive state off state titles. They
altered knights are here.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Segment introduced the coach and the players.

Speaker 9 (51:54):
Please will you let's see they shot a three hundred
and fourteen. That's not good to win the Divis two
Boys State golf championship at NCR Country Club.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Their best player shot three hundred and fourteen. No, it
is a team, Oh, a team a team event not.

Speaker 9 (52:09):
It's not like how you cheat. But the coach is here.
The team is here, So coach, taken away, Take it away, coach,
You're right here.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
I'm Alex Suster, head coach of the Knights.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
And how many years have you been there, Alex.

Speaker 10 (52:22):
Is eleven years with the golf program.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
You're gonna stick whether or.

Speaker 10 (52:25):
Not, you know, I know we planned to go anywhere eleven.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
How many state titles have you won?

Speaker 6 (52:29):
Four? Four in a row.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
And the Ryder Cup has got a hold of you.
In PJA of America, they are legotiating.

Speaker 10 (52:36):
Could better than it's going to be a negotiation.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Could have done better at Beth Page Black with these kids.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
These kids introduce your players and who they are, their names,
and plus have a few questions to ask later on.

Speaker 12 (52:46):
All right, awesome, so we have with this today. Junior
Matthew Crush. He was also second team all state performer
in last year's individual state champion.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
In Division two.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Matthew, what kind of putter do you have?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I have a tailor, mate, spider, spider? What is the
what is the loft, What is the angle of the
putter face?

Speaker 1 (53:06):
What is it way? What kind of grip do you have?

Speaker 6 (53:09):
I don't really know much about that story.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
You know how to put the ball in the like
they put the ball in the hole.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
Yeah, that's the goal. You shot us seventy nine, right,
I did?

Speaker 9 (53:16):
Yes, there you go.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Did you do the second nine? I was playing better
on the back nine the.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Second day and that seventy nine tough golf course.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Did you move the ball on the rough at all?
Did you cheat it all?

Speaker 4 (53:26):
No?

Speaker 6 (53:26):
He didn't do it all.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Did you drop a ball out of your pant leg
when you couldn't find it?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Next up, coach, All right.

Speaker 10 (53:32):
We got Charlie Anderson Senior.

Speaker 12 (53:34):
He's also a second team All State performer this year.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Charlie, A few questions for you right now. Who's the
top golfer in the world. Who's number two?

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
What is the recent successes? What are the last three
tournaments won by Rory McElroy?

Speaker 6 (53:50):
Masters have tubble Beach and the players very good.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
That kid's pretty smart.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
By the way, since you're so smart, what is the
capital of the state of Pennsylvania?

Speaker 6 (53:59):
That's then Harrisburg? Damn?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Go ahead, coach, introduce some more right the third.

Speaker 10 (54:04):
I got uh confused. Looking one over there is Lucas Sewying.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
He looks, he looks, he looks.

Speaker 12 (54:12):
Yeah, senior at our was our foreman at the state
tournament team.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
This year, you're with the anchor something like that. Clean up,
clean up, hit her?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Who's the Attorney General in the United States of America.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (54:25):
Oh, what is the square root of eighty one?

Speaker 6 (54:28):
At least continued.

Speaker 12 (54:29):
Coaching, he said, I finally we have our first alternate
senior A J.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
Mahoney, Aj, how are you doing? I'm doing very good.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Are you going to school after kettering altar? Where are
you going to go?

Speaker 6 (54:39):
If anywhere? I planned to study business at University day and.

Speaker 9 (54:42):
The Home of the Flyers. Yes, don dona her, Yes,
say hi to him. When you say it, I think
he's dead. Coach, So tell me in the last tell
me how the tournament won. Tell me about the tournament.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I won it all.

Speaker 12 (54:54):
Well, you know it was it was really great at
being up at NTCR Country Club, which was of course
we're a little bit more familiar year with and and
some of the others. We went out and you know,
just to play with a lot of confidence. Uh, you know,
day one it was close. You know, we only had
a had a shoe stroke Victoria first round. And well,

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day two we went out and Dayton got pounded last
Tuesday with like record setting.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Rain, like once in the whole summer, one of the.

Speaker 12 (55:23):
Most rain in like ninety four years the Dayton's gotten
in the day. So we went out, we played. We
knew after day one there was a chance the day
two wasn't gonna happen, but they put us out there anyway.
After a little delay, we played about half catty shot
right exactly rain, and we we increased the lead to
about nine strokes by the time they called play. We
sat in the clubhouse for a couple of hours and

(55:44):
then they they called it and.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
We were determined. We were determined to be the champion.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Some I asked a question of the seniors. Let's say
your ball is near Let's say your ball is on
the card path, one hundred yards from the grand it's
in the middle the card path, number one, Can you
play it off the card path if you want to?

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Now, what how do you take a drop?

Speaker 2 (56:06):
If you want to drop it from the card path,
if it's in the middle of the card path, what
do you do?

Speaker 13 (56:09):
If anything, find your nearest point no closer to the
hole and you get a stroke from the nearest point
in early jar.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
You get a club length and you take you take
your stance, then you get a club length from the ball,
and then you drop the ball with then that length.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Is that correct?

Speaker 9 (56:24):
You said that happened to you the other day, and
you just kicked it into the grass.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
I kicked it. I kept looking around, no one watching me.

Speaker 9 (56:29):
I kicked it in the It was like Judge smail
a caddy shack.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Then go let me ask some more questions. Let's say
you come up to a pond.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Gotta come up to a pond, and one pond is
marked with a red line. The other pond is marked
with a yellow line. How's the red line different than
the yellow line?

Speaker 14 (56:48):
You know the red line? You can take. You've got
a couple options. You can take the line of entry.
You can take two club lengths from the point of entry,
and you can also go back and play. You can
play you can play from inside the red pell the area,
and you can go back to where you hit the shop.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
What about a yellow line? What's the difference?

Speaker 6 (57:07):
You only get back on the line. Back of the line.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Go back as far as you want to go back
one hundred yards if you want flag the flag flagging
the point of entry.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Everyone knows that segments that correct.

Speaker 9 (57:18):
I thought that was the amount of alligators that were
in the pond.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Have been some alligators we had.

Speaker 9 (57:21):
There's big ones, the yellow, there's smaller ones.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Give me some sports. I can make it fast.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
I have more questions to ask these young men about politics,
sports and the fluvir process is a GM morphology.

Speaker 9 (57:33):
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Speaker 2 (57:48):
Give me, I mean three of the five rights in
the First Amendment the US Constitution, the freedom of.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
What, press, assembly, speech.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
That's it right there, say please continue, let's answer these
questions or not.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
You're the coach. You don't know the answer, do you?
What's in the eighth Amendment?

Speaker 10 (58:04):
Eighth Amendment? Usual punishment like this?

Speaker 9 (58:08):
Show your that's while you're here, cruel and unusual punishment
every day.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Smart to Deer Park you we don't have a golf team.

Speaker 9 (58:16):
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Speaker 1 (58:36):
You guys don't drink five?

Speaker 6 (58:39):
How about wine? Little wine at church?

Speaker 9 (58:46):
Good answer. They're raffling off two tickets to tomorrow night's game.
Will he tonight at Long Necks and Richwood. If you
want to get there, get there early. Lancel Lancell take care.

Speaker 6 (58:55):
Of Rod day frontest. This guy might be an alder boy.

Speaker 9 (58:58):
Let's see Mike Sicky the tight end is out for
four games with a pectoral injury.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
All right, boys, what's a pectoral muscle?

Speaker 6 (59:05):
All right here up in your chest?

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Please continue.

Speaker 9 (59:08):
Shamar Stewart's gonna play. He's missed the last four with
an ankle injury. And Andrew Whitworth is the ruler of
the Jungles Tomorrow night. Do you think Tomorrow night at
the Bengals. You might recall when the Bengals went to
the Super Bowl. At one point there were two and
four This year, once again, they're two and four. They
got the next three games at home. They win those

(59:28):
three games. Add those up.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
What's the record down to the Bengals?

Speaker 6 (59:31):
Very good?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Right there.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
That's why he's got a three hand plus three, five
and four, the same as twenty twenty one. Do you
think Joe Flacco will be so good that Burrow's got
to fight for his job when he comes back?

Speaker 6 (59:41):
I sure hope.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
So please continue college basketball?

Speaker 9 (59:45):
You see, graduate forward Jalen Haynes has been ruled out
indefinitely for the Bearcats with an undisclosed lower body injury.
He was heard in practice on Monday.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Where's the humorous bone located.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
Rights? Very good? Please continue?

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
The Bearcats play an exhibition game against Michigan Friday night.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
Are you liking that matchup? Boys? Give me the Wolvergreenes
please mission.

Speaker 9 (01:00:10):
Red's infielders Spencer Steer and key Brian Hayes are both
finalists for the Rawlings Gold Glove Award. Hayes did a
great job at third, so did Steer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Who is the current NCAA Men's basketball champion College Division
one men's basketball champion Florida.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
Very good?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Who's the current football champion though?

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
Buckeyes? Baby?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Who's the current baseball champion? T LSU. These kids are smart?
Please continue.

Speaker 9 (01:00:38):
Let's see Willy Yoshi Yatamoto?

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Can you say that again?

Speaker 9 (01:00:41):
Tossed a complete game three hitter last night Dodgers over
the Brewers five to one. So LA goes home now
up two games to none. In the NLCS. The ALCS
continues tonight in Seattle. How many US Senators are there?
The number?

Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
Please continue?

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
And ALCS continues to night. And with the Mariners up
to or against the Jays?

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
How many members House of Representatives three sixty two?

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
Nope, born to thirty six five?

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
That's it right there. Please continue.

Speaker 9 (01:01:10):
College golf, Willie, we say congrats to Xavier. They won
the Moraine and Intercollegiate Attorney in Dayton.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Can you beat Xavior?

Speaker 9 (01:01:17):
They wound up at twenty under par?

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Can you beat twenty under?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Why did you challenge the Musketeers at NCR and see
what kind of men they are?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
You guys?

Speaker 6 (01:01:26):
You have the Mountain.

Speaker 9 (01:01:27):
Freshman freshman Case Morgan out of Elder took home medalist
honors at a seventy eight, finished at nine under.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
It was the second president of the United States of America.

Speaker 9 (01:01:37):
Number two, Bearcat Cincinnai Bearcats men's golf team is sixth
overall in a tournament in North and South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
One of the three descriptions of rocks and geomorphology description of.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Rocks us sedimentary and metamorphic.

Speaker 9 (01:01:57):
Holy moly, I couldn't go that of you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
You can't say it and you can't spell.

Speaker 9 (01:02:02):
I can't thank you. I'm glad, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Are you like National Mayors scholarships? You're like a d's
that you guys aren't smarter?

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
All?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Do you love fluvial processes? I love that stuff? What
great at the Grand Canyon Rose Water fluvial smart here?
How about that? The three kinds of rocks came right
out of him? Rocks in his head. I guess you
know is exactly what they are. We all that's it? Well, coach,
Why does it look next year? For Keddering Older went

(01:02:32):
four in a row? How does it look next year?

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (01:02:34):
We're looking forward to next season. You know, every every
new season brings new challenges. We're gonna miss these graduating players.
We have actually twelve seniors in the program.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
We're LISTA.

Speaker 10 (01:02:42):
We're losing this season.

Speaker 12 (01:02:43):
Don't rebuild your reload. Yeah, that's the plan. You know,
you've got young guys that are ready.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
To ready to play up and do it, and you
know we're.

Speaker 10 (01:02:50):
Looking forward to the challenges.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
I know.

Speaker 10 (01:02:53):
I know Matt wants to leave the team next year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Woods guys, we had to run wall come back next
year if you win the state title. Sounds good on
seven hundred WL. You know, things changing radio. We had
scheduled Brittney Ruby Miller to be here at two o five,

(01:03:18):
and she sent a very heartfelt apology about a half
an hour ago that she said, something's come up at
two o'clock and I can't be on. So I sent
her back a next text saying, Hey, I understand things happen,
see what occurs, et cetera, and that's all I can do.
And she wants to come on tomorrow to talk about
what's happening today, But yours truly is going to take

(01:03:41):
a week off. This my last day for the next
seven days. So in a relationship to this, I made
many many calls thither and fro to find out why
what's happening at two o'clock Because the people I talked
to all had the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
I can do it at three, I can't do it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
At two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I can do it tomorrow. I can't do it at too.
Something's happening at two o'clock. And according to my horses
in city Hall, the Chief of Police, Teresa Thigi is
being fired or shall we say, retired, because she followed
the dictates of the mayor to a letter, doing exactly
what the mayor wanted. And now that she's followed the
dictates of Cheryl Long and the mayor and things haven't

(01:04:15):
turned out so well, the mayor is cutting loose the
chief of police. A man with perspective on this is
Steve Gooden, a candidate for city council, has been on
council before. And Steve Gooden, welcome again to the Bill
Cunningham Show. And so I would ask you that I
had five or six calls in the numerous people in
the know, all of whom would tell me that today

(01:04:37):
that the chief of Police, Teresa Thiji is getting fired.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Your comments, well, I'm hearing the same thing, I believe,
and it's a shame, but it's very predictable, and frankly
it's long overdue. I mean I was somebody who was
out here this summer saying that she had to go.
She's absolutely lost the confidence of the rank and file.
The morale at police department is in the toilet. She

(01:05:02):
has not been advocating for the right kinds of staffing
for ever since she's been chief. She's been providing political
cover for the mayor and the city manager and this
kind of worthless city council that we have right now.
So if you're going to live by the sword, you
die of the sword. If you're going to act like
a political person rather than the civil servant you're.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Supposed to be, if you're not going to advocate.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
For your troops and rank and file, and you're going
to play the political game, then I guess you die
of political death. So she has become a national joke,
particularly with that bizarre.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Press conference she gave him down at.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
City Hall where she said the word unacceptable five times,
reminding me of my middle school teacher who used to
shout unacceptable of me rightfully in the early eighties. And
it was just terrible. It looked like she was trying
to scold these young, violent people into giving up their guns.
The other beautiful things she did yesterday was telling the

(01:06:00):
guy to turn it who shot up the restaurant, to
turn himself in I.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Don't think he was.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
I don't think he's really.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Inclined to do that since she is already a convicted FELA.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
So she looks weak.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
She's set a horrible example, both on the politics side
and just the way she comports herself.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
I mean, I don't want to sound like Pete Hegstratt here,
but she doesn't look like you know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
She's not inspiring confidence from any standard, whether it be
from the physical fitness standards, all the way down. They
deserve better, They need better. They need a chief who
will actually be independent and stand up to the mayor.
The chief doesn't work for the mayor in our system,
so they got don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
But I've been told by many officers she's lost the
respect of her command staff. They don't pay attention to her.
That the cops are overwhelmed with work. Sixty hours a
week is presumed to be demanded. Many cops don't want
to do it, they don't feel supported. But the unknown
about this I would assume as the last three or
four years have gone by, I think she's been there

(01:06:59):
about three years, I would assume everything she did, despite
her bad form and doing so is something after Pierraval
want it done, and now that it did, his policies
did not turn out well. He wants to step aside
and eat a sacrificial lamb, and that lamb is chief
of police. Thiji your comments.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
No, I think that's absolutely correct. I mean, look, she's
a victim here. I mean, she participated in her own victimhood.
She knew better than this of most of it. And look,
I like her. I've known her for years, and the
family is great. There's a lot of officers in that
family are a great you know, west side family, and
no disrespect to them at all. But I mean, you know, look,
this is not this is all aft have. He goes

(01:07:41):
out and talks about quote his team, and he includes her,
includes a city manager, and they're supposed to be politely adversarial.
I mean, the city manager is supposed to be advocating,
you know, for the chief, for the police. They're not
all supposed to be working together. In fact, it's very timely.
Just this morning, I open my mailbox and I have

(01:08:02):
a mailer from one of the city council candidates where
he's posing with the chief in uniform, which is blatantly illegal.
She's like in a political mailer, a paid political mailer,
and I was thinking, you know, if I had the
time and energy, we file a complaint. But since I
figured she was getting fired today, we're not going to
bother with it. But I mean, that's how bad it
is and how political it is. The great chiefs of

(01:08:22):
yesteryear wouldn't dream to be in.

Speaker 6 (01:08:25):
A political ad.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
What's an elected official?

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
So that's just how bad and blurry the lines are
down there, And that's why I do worry who's next.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
I don't really have a good sense of that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
Every time with this current group, you think they're making
a step in the right direction, you know, it's kind
of a be careful what you wish for a thing.
I have no idea who they have lined up behind
her at this point. But this is a sad day
for her, it's a sad day for the city. But
it's very predictable. So again, she made herself a political actor.
She's going to die of political death here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
It looks like, well, it's sad because she was put
in a position that she's not really qualify fight for.
She performed poorly because she implemented the policies of after
pure of all the policy has now been implemented. They failed,
and now the sheriff is stepping up. I had on
earlier Senator John Houston. They're close to calling in the
National Guard because of jd Vance and Euston is very

(01:09:18):
close to the situation and we don't want that. And
the sheriff wants to take over and do more police
functioning in the city because the city command staff and
the officers do not respect Fiji. And part of the
problem also is that the judges at Hamlet County. You
may now had on Judge Josh Berkerwitz a couple hours ago.
He's the presiding judge. Half the judges believe because of

(01:09:39):
George Floyd effect. Half the judges believe, you know, and
no cash bonds. Half the judges believe in putting nobody
in jail.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
What about that element, Well, that's a huge part of
what's going on here, and a lot of that goes
right back to Aftab too. When he was clerk at Gortz,
he was pushing these judicial candidates, he was pushing these
kinds of policies.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
He ran the courthouse into the ground.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Now he's doing this too, And look, this is the
same stuff you know that you saw out at in
Washington State, in Portland and in California, and all these
kinds of policies are being rejected out there too. I mean,
they just don't work, no matter how well meaning they are,
they don't work. You can't keep it committee, You cannot
keep it community safe by letting violent people out. This

(01:10:22):
guy who the guy that David announced his name, the
guy who shot up the restaurant of Fountain Square two
nights ago. We know he was on probation for a
gun offence, you know, weapons under disability charge. So I mean,
so he shouldn't have been out, arguably, or at least
they should have known exactly where he was, so that
the courthouse and the city all at all, the failures
all overlap, and it's the same personnel.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Really, all right, we got to run. I have mayor
candidate Corey Bowman calling in and Steve Gooden, you're a
great American. Thanks for Colin, and I appreciate the call.
Thank you anytime. Thank you, sir. Let's continue, Let's go
to the mayor to be Corey Bowman. Corey, and every
indications are that the chief of police, Thiegi's going to
be fired. Head guests on at two o'clock and this

(01:11:07):
critical meeting I was told off the air. Yes, assuming
that's the case, what is your reaction as the man
who would be mayor?

Speaker 15 (01:11:15):
Well, I think it's exactly what you said, is that
you know, Chief Sigi was just implementing her directives from
the top down. You know, we've started this from the
top down. There is incompetence, and so everybody wants to
throw the chief underneath the bus. The right thing is
is that this is reflecting the failure of city Hall
starting with Mayor aft Purval.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
And as far as the news conference yesterday, I think
the mayor conceded as policies have not worked. They have
not worked the past four years. They're not going to
work into the future, and just before the election they
need a scapegoat, and that scapegoat is a career company
named Thiji, and they want to blame her, Cheryl Long,

(01:11:58):
and I would assume counsel and the Mayor used and
abused her to implement their policies and now that they've failed,
they want to hook it on her step aside and
appoint someone else.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
You know what I'm saying, You're exactly right.

Speaker 15 (01:12:12):
But here's the thing that we have to see as
is that with the mayor after Burval in office, you're
going to have the same legit. You're going to have
the same reasoning when it comes to the next chief,
when it comes to the city manager. These policies don't
stop with just the firing of a police chief. These
policies have been implemented the last four years. And you're
seeing a lot of the crime that's going to be

(01:12:34):
taken care of in the next few days for optics.
But what do you think is going to happen after November.
It's not an election year anymore, so they're going to
go right back to these failed policies until the next
election season.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
And I don't think that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Corey Bowman, assuming you win the mayor's office, and many
knowledgeable people say you have a pretty good shot at it,
what would you look for in the next chief of police.

Speaker 15 (01:12:58):
You've got to be able to look at not only
people that have the competence of knowing what they're doing
on the streets, but I really believe that you've got
to bring somebody in that knows Cincinnati, that knows the issues.
You can't necessarily have just a parachute position, come in
and fix everything. Cincinnati is a very rare, unique city
with fifty two neighborhoods. Logistically, you've got to have somebody

(01:13:20):
that knows what they're doing when it comes to that.
But at the same time, you have to have somebody
that knows the issues that we're facing right now. Five
people shot on Monday night too, and Fountain Square. These
are things that have to be taken care of from
day one. They can't just be something that we gradually
get into. We've got to hit this thing head off.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
In a sense, Cincinnati's at the low EBB. But I'm
told by some that Procter and Gambles grossly expanding their
footprint in Mason. There are many big employers in town
like Fifth Third Bank and Kroger and others that tell
their employees if you're if you're don't feel safe coming
and leaving work, you may stay at home and work there.

(01:14:00):
And I think there goes the tax base of the
city of Cincinnati. Restaurant tours have told me reservations are
being canceled.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Willy Nilly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I'm told there's no hotel being built next to the
convention Center because they can't get financing because many of
the banks around the country don't want to finance it
in case things aren't going well. Two large conventions have
canceled at the new Convention Center to open up in
January or February without a hotel next to it. Conventions
are canceling, and the idea that public safety should be

(01:14:30):
a job one when it comes to setting a bond
is something that judges ignore, willy nilly. And So if
you become the mayor and don't have a working council
with you, and I don't anticipate that council is going
to stay the same, It's going to be completely different.
How will you work with a council filled with Democrats
and you're going to be the Republican mayor?

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
How would that work?

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:14:51):
Number one, it's not just the mayoral race. We've got
to be able to see that we've got a city
council candidate that are running this year. Last time we
had ten ten, it's running this year we have twenty five.
We've got people like Christopher Smithman, we got people like
Linda Matthews, We've got people like Steve Gooden that running.
They're gonna know how to handle this and like you said,

(01:15:11):
if you do have the majority Democrats, I believe that
there's enough common sense to where we can actually work
together to solve these issues. But you have to have
leadership in place, in a strong mayor position that knows
this has to be a priority. It just can't be
on the backbron.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Well, now's the time and the mayor's acting politically. Having
had someone to implement his pol policies, he can't come
out and say my policies have failed. I'm going to
rescind my re election effort, I have failed. I'm going
to go back into the private sector. He's got to
find an excuse for the failures of his policy, and
that excuse is Teresa Thiji, whose huntire family have been

(01:15:47):
cops for the last fifty years. And she doesn't look
the part. Doesn't that the part and the fact of
the matter is she's doing in a substantively exactly what
the mayor wants her to do, and share al Long
allegedly's her boss.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Share Along.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
You can't find her with a search warrant, and so
where in the hell of share Along.

Speaker 15 (01:16:08):
No, you're exactly right, because here's the thing. We've got
to have leadership that just doesn't show up for photo offs.
We've got to have leadership that shows up for Cincinnati
from day one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. As I said, this
is not confirmed yet. Everyone I talked to says she's
going to get a copy of the home game sometime
this afternoon, and they're going to appoint an interim chief
that might be Captain Henny, might be someone like that
to implement the mayor's policies, which change after every riot,
or after every shooting, or after every mass shooting event.

(01:16:41):
The policies of the mayor change. And right now we're
on the eve of the election, and Corey Bobman, none
of this will be going on right now if the
election we're not like two and a half weeks away.
But Corey will see what happens, and you're going to
campaign hard through the finish line.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (01:16:56):
Absolutely, We've got less than three weeks to go. Early
votings open right now. People need to get the border
to the Board of Election, Tamilton County Board of Elections, Vote, vote, vote.
But then November fourth is all last day of the election,
and this is our time to base to be able
to put strong leadership in place. You know, one of
the biggest things is that we have a shortage of
cops when it comes to being below the complement levels.

(01:17:19):
And they implemented a lateral hiring recently and they didn't
get the response that they wanted because nobody wants to
work for this administration. You get the right leadership, you
get a strong mayor in that position, then people are
going to come and they're going to want to work
for Cincinnati Police Department. That's what's going to change in November.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
You know, is really sick when the chief of police says,
if you're committing serious crime, we're going to confront you.
I wouldn't confront it serious criminal. I'd arrest them. I'd
say you're under arrest. And the reason some arrest are
down is because twenty percent of the cops don't exist.
And when you're down twenty percent of the cops, there's
no one to arrest anybody, and the cops that are

(01:17:57):
in office don't want to get hands on with any
They're encouraged not to arrest people, and so of course
crime is going to be statistically down as far as reporting.
When cops don't exist to arrest someone and the other
cops aren't pulling people over because they're told not to
do that. A course, crime is going to be down,
but the commission of crime is way up. Reporting of

(01:18:18):
crime is down, commission of crime is way up. And
we need to go back to the law enforcement of
Larry Whalen and also a striker and people like that
that enforce the law and let the chips fallward they may.
Then if the judges don't do their job, then we
got something else to focus on. It begins with cops
arresting criminals. Corey Bowman, good luck. I'll continue to follow

(01:18:38):
this story to see if and when Chief of Police
Stagy gets a copy of the home game.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
And Corey Bowman, thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (01:18:45):
Thank you so much, Bill for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
God bless Let's continue with more. He's in his coffee
shop on the West End right now, people coming and going.
But we'll see what happens. At two thirty and three
o'clock and I had Brittany Ruby schedule to two. She
texted me about one fifteen saying something came up I
can't get out of. At two o'clock, I called four
or five other people involved in their running of the city.
Each one of them sent me a text saying, I

(01:19:09):
can do it at three o'clock. I can do it
at three fifteen. I can do it tomorrow, but I
can't do it at too. And I talked to a
police source who told me that theisi's going to be
fired this afternoon. And by the way, she's supposed to
be in Denver right now for three or four days
of a chief of police conference. So that's perfect. The
city is burning down, and then the city sends the
chief of police one thousand miles away two twenty five.

(01:19:32):
Coming up after two thirty five is Justice Joseph tnt
Meaters with his walk up music on news radio seven
hundred wlw F.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Hello, Piet, I'm Skulls. I'm broadcasting.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
You know rock.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
We have a special Justice Joe Eaters.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
You need the best from Colorida a minute. He's here,
ready to march in glory and sees power once again.

Speaker 9 (01:20:07):
He wants to talk. He wants to talk, all right, talk.
Don't let him talk. Sharon Kennedy said, don't talk. Megan
Shannan says, talk talk. Let you let it rip. I'm
going quiet down. Here comes the music. Here comes a
good part for job.

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
Right now, the sunset call TVs.

Speaker 13 (01:20:34):
Oh boy, boys, oh boy, there's two of us in here.
Now I've finally got some backup talking about your lies.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Women can't talk about women anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:20:43):
Joe here, women days are done done.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Here come here comes the hook for the hook.

Speaker 6 (01:20:53):
Because I'm yeah, yeah, Joe brings you here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I know we need you to see you and Charlie
Lucan or John Cranley would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
And what brings you to the hallways of the Big One.

Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
You told me to come in.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Nothing else to do. Get you in trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:21:13):
Well, there is a lot going on right now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Public safety.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Public safety? Explain that? Can you talk at all?

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
Yeah, a little bit, But here's what I will say.
And I know I've got a little bit of a
gag on me right now. Everybody knows what works. They'll
know at have's not an idiot. These judges aren't idiots.
They know what works. They're just not willing to do
it because of the George Floyda facts. Well, they just

(01:21:41):
they believe that, I guess they believe their constituency does
not want them to do it. To do it put
people in jail, for crime. I mean, it's amazing to me.
I heard you with Judge Berkowitz before. They've got two
hundred and some beds empty in the We were trying
to build jails when I was there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Now you're evacuating them.

Speaker 6 (01:22:01):
Now they're laying off, you know, people working in the
jail because they don't have people there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Why aren't there people?

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
The judges if.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
You're remember, if you remember, and it's not just a
Democrat thing or a Republican thing. We had a Republican
Chief Justice four years ago who decided that judges should
not consider safety when they set a bond an arraignment.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
And what did we have to do?

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
We had to get a constitutional amendment on the ballot
to say that judges shall consider the safety of the community.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
And what are you doing? They ignore it? And I
don't get what did they say? Give lip service? Yes,
I consider that, no bond signed your name, You're gone.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
Well, the only the only recourses to uh not elect them.
And unless you have the information on the judges doing that,
you have no ability to do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Are you happy with what you're doing now?

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
And they are? I love it. I'm very frustrated when
I watched to see what's happening in my city.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
And I want to come back and sees Power.

Speaker 6 (01:23:07):
No no, I mean if Missy Powers did her best
to win that race and the demographics have changed, and
you know, I think comed he's doing what she can
do now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
And you didn't bring this up, but Saint X. I
was at dinner the other night of trios and an
old guy had to be in it had to be
in his late seventies or eighties. An old guy comes
up to me and says, you know, I was the
athletic director at Saint X where Rocky Boyman played at
Saint X, and he was a student. I said, what
kind of student was He said, well, he had a
lot of jugs. In fact, we had the Board of Education,

(01:23:40):
which was a paddle had holes in it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
Said.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Board of Education used to give Rocky one or two
a week, but each time he demanded pull his pants.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Down before he got it so that he would feel
more pain. Did you have any of those experiences?

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
Jug? I hid indefinite jug.

Speaker 9 (01:23:56):
At one point ever, paddle like Rocky was no remember
any of that stuff, but better memory your forgot.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
He was a better student than I was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
I really wasn't he said, He said, you were such
a good student. You helped other f students get out
of the dummy hall. Did that happen?

Speaker 6 (01:24:12):
Helped them? We went to I went to a Saint
X reunion this summer, okay, and these very wealthy guys
are at this reunion that went to Sant X with me,
and I didn't recognize any of them. And I quickly
realized the reason is I was in the dumb classes
at St X and these guys were in the smart
classes that I had introduced myself to him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
You know, we tell tell me when you were tied
to a goalpost. Never did that, and also gave the finger.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
I gave the finger on the sophomore the reserve football picture.
We have that pictures that live anywhere. It still does live.
But they they back then, they did their best smudged out.
It was not good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
But you got permanent jugs.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
They told me to report the jug until we tell
you to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
What do you do? What do you report the jug?
What is that that one to get?

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
It's like you know, detention flash, Yeah, just sit there
and board, just kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Grunt work right lines, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:25:10):
Toothbrush and toilet well, and in the theme of what
we're talking about here is Joe just said earlier. The
problem that is right in the city, everyone knows what
to do, but they're unwilling to do it, which is
to have punishments for crimes. Jugs was was a punishment
if you were acting wrong, that's right, you had to
go do some things you didn't want to do and
then guess what, not only did you not want to

(01:25:31):
do that again, the other kids saw it and said, well,
I don't want to end up in jug likes show
deaters and Rocky boyman, I'm gonna behave You know.

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
There there has been one thing that's worked with urban crime,
and that was, you know, whatever you think of Rudy Giuliani,
what he did in the two thousands with New York City,
late nineties with New York City that broken windows theory
and where the with the different captains that very precinct
are held responsible in the track I'm in real time,

(01:26:01):
they say there's this hot spot here, there's been twelve
break ins. They flood the area with cops and they
really did stop what was going on in New York. Well,
nowhere else has that happened. And if you want to
know what's going to happen to our city, which I
love and I live in. It's not hard to predict

(01:26:21):
because it's happened across the country with these types of
policies that are in effect right now in the city.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Segment, give me some sports and make it fast. We've
got more information about Henryson maybe going to the forty
nine ers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
What can you tell me?

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Justice Kennedy sending you a note to quiet down. Yes see,
speaking of that, can I can you show that a
woman named Jordan Hudson, you know, Rocky.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
You talk about her a lot, don't you. Oh my god,
you talk about her nephew with her.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
So I was at a deater's wedding this weekend, North Carolina,
and she's a friend of the brides. They live very
close to each other, Jordan Hudson and Bill. The wedding
started at five o'clock, so I have to preface the
story with this. The wedding started at five o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Now pretend you're at a wedding.

Speaker 6 (01:27:22):
He is more excited than I've seen him in years,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
I understand met her five o'clock.

Speaker 6 (01:27:27):
It started.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
How long would you last at that route?

Speaker 6 (01:27:30):
Eight o'clock?

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
I'm done?

Speaker 6 (01:27:31):
Ok, eight o'clock, that's what I thought. I'm done. I
lasted till nine, that's it. And around ten I get
a text from my brothers. Leave, guess who just showed up?
Jordan Hudson, correct Belichick, Come, no, he was traveling. But
the reports are that she was a delightful, very very

(01:27:52):
nice young girl. I mean four years old and rich,
well whatever she is, but she was very cool. So
I sent my other picture of you. I said, I
want you to show her this picture. God, yes, I
want to show this picture because he talks about you
on the radio all the time. Showed to her, and

(01:28:14):
I want you to write down exactly her reaction when
she saw your picture.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
I have it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
I know what I memorized. The response. I love to love. No, no, no,
I'll tell you I love. She looked at your picture, baby,
she looked at your picture. And said e E w W.

(01:28:43):
But that's all sorry, trying to what do you mean by?
What do you mean by? And it wasn't like.

Speaker 9 (01:28:54):
It was like I don't think she thought you would
look like Ronaldo that when Rod my wife says look
like said.

Speaker 13 (01:29:01):
Joe, let's cut to the chaser. Your nephew or whoever
was did they say? She looks as good as she
does in person. She does that pictures and she was
just could not have been sweeter.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I know what she's getting out of the Belichick relationship.
What's he getting out of it?

Speaker 6 (01:29:15):
I have no idea. Oh you have an idea? Well,
he was in a Volkswagen with Penny. I know that
is I don't. I just learned that information today, which
I could have done without.

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Six oh five long Necks in rich Wood can't wait,
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Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
I said at the show, what about Hendryson going to
the forty nine ers?

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
I don't I have it right here?

Speaker 9 (01:30:02):
Andrew Whitworth, former Bengals great number seventy seven, is going
to be ruler of the jungle. Can you put on
a hell in shoulder pads? Might as well try it
an still block. Mike is SICKI the tight end is on.
I injured reserve for four games.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
With that peck peck? What's a peck right there? Jordan Hudson.

Speaker 9 (01:30:21):
Jordan Hudson has a couple of Red's Updated Red's infielder
Spencer Steer and key Brian Hayes are both named finalists
for the Gold Glove Awards at third base and first base.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Good luck did Ellie? Is he up for the Gold
Glove Award now?

Speaker 9 (01:30:37):
With sixty seven what errors in two years? The Brown
Glove Award? Which one's he uph? Probably he belongs in
right field. You're a great joe right center, center center,
and I'm going.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
Right all right?

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
Can you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Sake?

Speaker 6 (01:30:53):
I'll call Terry world class shortstop.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Moved him over there. What's his name? Like Arroyo?

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Is that his name Edward, Yes, and then what about mcclaan.
Can you actually hit it? At some point we'll see
how about third base? What about Sal? What can Sal?

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Where?

Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
Sal?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Just call Sally?

Speaker 6 (01:31:09):
I don't know. He's gonna you guys that can hit?

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
It makes sense they need some guys that can. We
need some guys that can.

Speaker 6 (01:31:16):
Good wors Warbur that would be a good addition.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Man in Middletown. Is you run around with him in
the off season, and.

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
He's got enough money, get all the money in the world.

Speaker 9 (01:31:25):
Can't tell you what we're doing.

Speaker 6 (01:31:27):
Trade Eli for Bryce Harper? Straight up?

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Let's go what I trade for about Hunter Green? About
Hunter Green Green? Definitely done? Joe, what's the big decisions
in the Supreme Court? The rule of against perpect me.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
To violate all my right now in the air not
doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
You can tell me about Shelley unities.

Speaker 6 (01:31:44):
Nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:31:45):
Well, then you could come and fill in for him
for a week on the show, and then you can
say anything that next week.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Are you suspending going tomorrow for a week to spend
it for a week playing golf and naked? He couldn't
suspend it again? Rock, what's on the big show today?
For the you Besidesji maybe getting fired?

Speaker 6 (01:32:02):
What about that?

Speaker 13 (01:32:02):
Yeah, yeah, Jason and I talked about that yesterday. But
let let's see today we have our fitness guy, PJ.
Street at four o'clock, can help get you fit, get
you well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Jordan Hudson deserves that. A man like me, a man
wants to smell.

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
Like a man.

Speaker 13 (01:32:17):
Remember it was Remember it was very boom uh and
right at the gate we have his name's escaping. But
we have a guy from Steelers Nation. I'm going to
talk about the big game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
What about Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Timeline saying, how in the world can Cleveland trade its
opening day starter to a division rival just before we
play them?

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
How's that possible?

Speaker 9 (01:32:39):
Mike tom mad too, He said they had this guy
named Jake the Snake Browning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
He was throwing more interceptions and completed passes. Now we
got to deal with Joe Flacco again. It was so
good that possibly he'll be replacing Joe Burrow. He'll be
a quarterback controversy. Wouldn't that be something?

Speaker 13 (01:32:57):
No competition's good, right, he's one Burrows thirty next year.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
They're about the same age. By the time you're in
your seventies, you should quit working anyway.

Speaker 13 (01:33:08):
You know, the combined age of the quarterbacks playing on
Thursday night is eighty one.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
That's kind of old, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
It's pretty old?

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
Joe? Is that too old?

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
Not?

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
Apparently?

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
Not? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Thank you for coming into this has been great.

Speaker 9 (01:33:23):
Bread insight, Joe, into the city, the police, everything.

Speaker 6 (01:33:28):
We love Hudson.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
I love your thoughts, Jordan Hudson. Why why didn't you
stick around to meet her?

Speaker 6 (01:33:34):
I didn't know she was showing up. You would have stayed.
You go to Colber you knew she was coming.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Not you.

Speaker 6 (01:33:40):
I think I would be left. Oh I love to love.
Would you have stayed?

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
Bill?

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Would you have stayed?

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 13 (01:33:49):
Heaven and Earth wouldn't have kept him from staying in
meeting Jordan?

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
She thing you would. You would have stalked her. She
does that a thing for you.

Speaker 13 (01:33:56):
You know, every year you do your your most often
had guests. She is your most often topic. If her on,
someone's got you know, somebody has her number. Yeah, I'd
love to get her on. That will never happen, remember.

Speaker 6 (01:34:13):
Willy you No, No, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Just saying there's something there. Here's the deal. Hendrickson.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
So you're saying there's a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
You're saying there's a chance, is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
You're dumber, dumber, more a million say give me out
of the SUITU report, Justice Joe and Rocky.

Speaker 9 (01:34:32):
To wonderful Joe, rock the Board of Education, Willian Hotter
of Justice, Joe making to stay his triumphant return to
the airway.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Now that's right. Can you walk into the courthouse and
anyone know who you are?

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
Nobody knows? Men you walk in coming to this guy
what his opinion has hit though they know that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Like lightning bolts in the finger of Zeus.

Speaker 9 (01:34:59):
We leave you with immortal words of the Stooge Report.

Speaker 11 (01:35:03):
At some point, this foolishness has got to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
There's our friend, Mike Dewans, Rocky boyman. He loves, he loves,
loves the governor.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:35:15):
Sure, he's a good man, good man. He is a
good man, good man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Rocky loves him. Say you love him always. Let's continue
with more and we never stop. We simply continue.

Speaker 6 (01:35:24):
The suspension starts today.

Speaker 9 (01:35:27):
From one week until Naples and I'm back next Friday.
Learn your lesson and shut your mouth, Fiji, do what
he tells you to do, and when you do it
and it fails, I'm gonna blame you, not me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Girls for THEE but not me on seven hundred W
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