10-7-25 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie talks with Uri Kaufman about the October 7th attacks. Also Lara Reis breaks down the attacks on ICE. Finally Grover Norquist discusses the government shutdown.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Bill Cunningham, the Great American October the seventh, twenty twenty
three is a date that will live an infamy for
those of the Jewish faith, I think throughout the world
as far as the the aggravation of what happened with
the Hamas has below all the Islamic extremists and what
happened on that date is incredible. And joining you and
I now as Urik Kaufman, author of American Intafada and

(00:30):
Professor Urik Kaufman, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show,
And much as we did during nine to eleven or
maybe Pearl Harbor, the world change for Israel on October
the seventh, twenty twenty three. Can you describe Israel, say,
on October the third or fourth of twenty twenty three,
two or three days before the attack by Hamas the

(00:51):
status of Israel at that point. Then we're going to
compare it to what Israel was today after October the seventh,
and what's happening today. But describe Israel, say a couple
of days before October the seventh.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
You go back to let's say October the sixth, twenty
twenty three. Okay, Israel, I could say was in its
golden age. Its economy was thriving. Its per capita income
was higher than Germany, Italy, Britain, France, Canada. Even it
seemed like it was in an extended period of peace.
It was only spending three and a half percent of

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its GDP on defense, the lowest level in its history,
I think, even a bit lower than what we spent
here in America. It really looked like blue skies ahead,
and then just overnight the whole thing went upside down,
which kind of is what happened in nineteen seventy three.
It looked like everything was great, and then October the sixth,
nineteen seventy three, came along and everything got turned upside down.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Of course, I was there six months before that. I
sensed when I spoke to israelis I spent time in
the West Bank, spent time in Masada, spent time in
Palestinian held territories. It was safe, it was secure. We
were told there might be some rockets at the Hotel David.
If that's the case, we'll give you a warning, go
into the stairwell. None of that happened. The streets were

(02:04):
full of tourism. I was told that before October the seventh,
and you know, there was full employment. About twenty five
thousand Palestinians came across the checkpoints every day. There was
a sense that we're over the hump. The Abraham Accords
were not quite fully implemented, but Trump was going going

(02:24):
to win the election, in which case it'll be better.
And all of a sudden October seventh happened. Can you
to tell the American people why it happened? We've gone
back in time with Pearl Harbor and with nine to eleven.
Why did October the seventh happen? And why weren't the
Israeli government prepared for that?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, the lead that it happened was that Camas wanted
to prevent normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia. And of
course then we talk about CAMAS. It's a terrorist group.
We don't know the inner workings, it's all opaque. But
this is basically a good I guess you could say, assessment.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Of what happened.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
They did not want to see Israel normalize. There was,
as you say, talk of the Abraham Accords, President Trump's
Abraham Accords expanding, expanding to Saudi Arabia, expanding to a
country called Oman, maybe some other players and Kamas saw this,
and if you have to understand, Kamas never gave up
his dream of genocide, of killing all the Jews, of
wiping Israel off the map. Iran never gave up on

(03:24):
that dream. They had a clock ticking in downtown Tehran,
ticking down to a date in twenty forty when they
said they were going to kill.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
All the Jews.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Hesbila never gave up on the dream. And Iran had
built what they called the ring of fire around Israel.
It was Camas, and not just Kamas in Gaza, but
Hamas in Judea, Samaria. It was Hesbola up in Lebanon.
It was Bishar Assad in Syria. It was the Iraqi
militias in Iraq. She had militias in Iraq, and of
course it was Yemen where you have the who theis

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and Iran itself. So they have this ring of fire.
They always said they were going to activate it at
some point to wipe Israel off the map. It does
appear that yes, cinoir the head of the Mosque, jumped
the gun and he dragged the region into a war
before Iran would have wanted it. But that's really what happened.
You never really need much of a reason. Unfortunately with
the Jahadists, I guess you can say that it's when

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they're living in peace that you have to ask yourself
why that's happening.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Why did October seventh militarily from the AMAS perspective, why
did it succeed? Why was the idea of unprepared?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
It is exactly what happened in nineteen seventy three. There
was a failure of a core assumption. The core assumption
was the Palestinians in Gaza are not going to go
to war because it would be an active national suicide.
You have to realize at that moment, as you indicated,
seventeen thousand Palestinians from Gaza were working in Israel each

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and every day. Israel was supplying Gaza with sixty seven
thousand trucks filled with supplies. Israel supplied Gaza with five
point seven billion yallons of water, of its electricity, all
of its fuel by the way, as an asside, The
New York Times described it as a blockade, sometimes as
the Draconian blockade. They like making stuff up, But the

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Palestinians and God, there was no blockade.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
It was the opposite.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
They had effectively given them the benefits of peace, Prime
Minister in Nittanyev, who had even announced a few weeks
before that Gods and Palestinians could explore for offshore natural
gas in the Mediterranean off the coast of Gaza, where
there is thought to be natural gas, which would be,
of course a big source of wealth for the Palestinian people.
And no one dreamt that they would blow that up,

(05:37):
but they did, and they did because, as the Kamas
leaders themselves said, they're not like you and me. They're
not like the West. They're not really concerned about bettering
the lives of their people. They're not concerned with raising
their kids. They just want to wipe Israel off the map.
They just want to come a genocide, they say'd user
apes and pigs, and that's more important to them. And
you can really say the same about Iran. The Ayatola

(06:01):
Homini back in the day once said the revolution was
not about the price of watermelons, and what he met
by that was if I were to ask you what's
the role of government, you'd say, well, the role of
government is to improve the lives of the citizenry. And
then you might say, without a trick question, isn't that
obvious over there?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
That's not the way the Islamists look at it.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
They view the role of government as trying to create
this caliphate, hopefully in the capitol of Mecca, and killing
all the people they deem to be infidels, and that's
more important than anything else, and that is why all
their resources are directed towards war, towards Hesbola, towards the hoodies.
Even now, the Iranians can't keep.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
The lights on.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
They don't have water. I mean, certain basic things we
take for granted. You turn the faucet, water comes out.
They can't take that for granted in Iran. And yet
the Iranians are still sending billions and billions of dollars.
Took the mast to Hespula, to the hoovies, because again,
this is what's most important to them. That could just
make one final pull. When President Obama did the Iran Deal,

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it freed up over one hundred billion dollars to the Iranians,
and at the time, President Obama said, well, they're going
to spend that money on their kids, on their country,
on their economy, and it was ridiculous. They took that
money and they sent it to the WHO, THEIF, to
hesblat Kama, because that's their national priority, that's what's most
important to them, and it just showed a fundamental misunderstanding

(07:26):
of Iranian priorities. And again, as you said, thankfully President
Trump is in the White House and we finally understand
our enemies a little better.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Than we did before.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
It's a culture of death.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Some of US leaders want asked, why do you build
your facilities underground below hospitals and orphanages and schools and
apartment buildings. It's because the civilians that are being killed
to get at them are also part of the Intifada
against Israel. They want Palestinians and gods and children to
be killed by the Jew in order to demonstrate to

(07:59):
the UN and into the world world that there's some
sort of holocaust happening, some sort of genosade happening, which
is a bunch of bs. They Hamas specifically wants men, women,
and children and gods. It'll be killed, and that's part
of the Intifada, that's part.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
They're part of it.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
They want four year old girls to have their legs
blown off because that's what they want It's a culture
of death, not a culture of life. So why should
anyone make peace with them?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Right right now?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
You know the talks are ongoing, it's going to be
close to hostages are going to be released, allegedly.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
I'll believe it when I see it. But why do
business with them at all?

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Because whether it's five thousand left or five hundred left,
they are committed to the destruction, the murder of Jews
and Westerners whoever they might be found.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Why accept their word for anything? We know what they want.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, they're not accepting their word. And that's what's different
about it this time. This time, we're not trusting the Palestinians.
The way the deal is set up, the first thing
that happens is the hostages go free. That's what we
all want to say. The second thing, though, is the
key point. Israel is going to stay in Gaza with
its soldiers in a perimeter surrounding Gaza so that they

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can no longer flood it with weapons from Egypt from Sinai. Now,
when Kamala Harris was vice president, she said I will
not allow this.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
It was in a speech in July of twenty twenty
four when she.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Was already the presumed a candidate for the Democrats. She said,
I will not allow this. I'm not going to let
Israel have a presence there. It'll shrink Gaza and that'll
hurt the Palestinians. Well, well, then if you're doing that,
you're basically trusting Kamas to not do what he has
done before and has been doing for decades, which is
just rearmed for the next round. This time it's going

(09:42):
to be different. And President Trump has made that absolutely clear.
He is also said Camas is not going to be
in power when this is over. Gaza is going to demilitarize.
There will be some sort of civilian government, but Hamasa
and the PA, the Palestinian authority, which isn't really much better,
they're just not going to be be allowed to take
a part in that. So we can only hope that

(10:03):
it's going to get a little bit better because now
Israel will be in charge of security instead of trusting
the Palestinians who've broken their word, basically broken every treaty
they've ever signed.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Professor Yurik Kaufman, can you address yourself to the issue
why is Israel so despised by Europe, by the UN?

Speaker 4 (10:21):
By American college kids.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
If a poll was done about do you support Palestinians
or israel I think the poll indicates two thirds of
Americans wrongfully educated by the miseducation systems. We have support
Palestinians over Israelis, who simply won piece and Israel has
few friends in the world.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
The easiest way to understand this is to engage in
a thought experiment. So let's assume every fact of the
op Pobra seven attack happened exactly the way it did.
Total unprovoked attack. Twelve hundred people murdered, two hundred and
fifty ostages, women raped. One more fact you need to
know the Biden administration budgeted billions of dollars in aid

(11:07):
for Gaza, to whom they would characterize as the innocent civilians. Okay,
let's assume all that happened exactly the way it did.
Only let's assume the attackers were Germans of another era
or Ukrainians, in other words, are white supremacists. Let's assume
they were white people. Right, do you really think that
Biden would have budgeted billions of dollars to white people

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who said Jews are apes and pigs? And now hold
the thought, let's change all the identities of the players.
Let's assume again same attack, and let's assume white supremacists
instead of Arab supremacists. But let's assume they murdered twelve
hundred black people and they raped black women. And now
a Republican administration said, let's give billions of dollars to
the innocent civilians, the innocent white supremacists who say that

(11:50):
blacks are apes and pigs. There would have been rioting
in the streets, and rightly so. So what we have
here is this weird kind of dynamic. And then you
get into something called cognitive diss where when people have
deeply held beliefs and then facts appear the contradict the beliefs,
people change the facts, not the beliefs. And that's why
Barack Obama, right after the attack tweeted that we have

(12:10):
to say facts that there's unclean hands on both sides. Well,
why does he draw the moral equivalents? He said, because
of what he terms the unbearable occupation? Well, there was
no occupation. Israel was drawn from Gaza eighteen years before.
But he didn't like those facts, so he changed the
facts to fit the narrative and just one final thought,
imagine for a moment again, a thought experiment. Every fact

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happened exactly the way it did, and Iran was run
not by crazy ayahtolas who say jewser apes and pigs,
but by white supremacists who say Blacks are apes and pigs.
Do you really think he would have done in Irandi?
Do you really think that Barack Obama would have agreed
that they get to keep the first generation centri if
you just continue their research, get over one hundred billion

(12:54):
dollars to spend on insurgents killing black people, that get
to make arms in five years, missiles in abs they
enrich uranium in ten fifteen years later from the beginning
of the agreement, it's sunsets. They get all the enriched
uranium back. The experts say the breakout period maybe a
few weeks, maybe a few months. The Iranians say they're
going to take that and drop a bomb on black people,

(13:16):
kill all the black people. Do you really think that
Obama would have done a deal? Of course not. But
it was with a regime run by what is turned
people of color, and the people they're fighting are a
white group of privileged The Jews, and now suddenly it
all gets scrambled and you can convince yourself cognitive dissonance
that well, maybe the Iranians really hate us because of

(13:38):
that coup in nineteen fifty three, which is of course ridiculous.
The Iatola's backdat whup as well, just for the same
reason we did. They didn't want to see a communist
running Uran anymore than we did. I'm not defending the
coup itself. I'm just pointing out that's not why they
hate us.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's absurd, you know, And you start.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
To convince yourself, well, they'll take that one hundred billion dollars,
they'll spend it on their kids. They're gonna lie to
love us. They're people of color, they're fighting oppression, and
you get all this nonsense which has passed around his truth,
and not just in college campuses, but in mainstream media,
in the New York Times, in CNN, in the BBC
by Christian Amanport. But I have to say, not by

(14:16):
Bill Cunningham. And that's why it's so important to listen
to your show.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
I went there.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I went to Israel. You know, I worked in Jewish
law firms for a long time. Katzman logan and helper,
and for some reason, I feel a great affinity for
the Jewish people. What they've had to put up with
the Ring of Fire was something which has largely been
eliminated except for what's happening in certain parts of Iran,
in which they won't give up, they won't spend their
money to help their own people. They continue to have

(14:43):
the outside power about to take you over. It's been
used throughout history. The policies of the Iranian government is awful,
it's terrible, it makes no sense. However, it's not our problem.
It's the Jews causing the difficulties. It's the classic what
alf Hitler used against the Jews is not our policies
that have failed, is the Jews destroying us. And that

(15:03):
same idea is our policies have failed internally. We can't
look at ourselves as having failed. Got to blame someone
else for it. And that's always throughout history the jew
for causing the problems. And all the Israeli wants to
do is live in peace. Israel is a multi dimensional
I've seen the gay pride flag flying in Jerusalem. I've
gone to Catholic masses in Jerusalem. I've seen twenty twenty

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five percent of the Kanesse are Muslims. It is a
Western style democracy. The truth will set you free. But
many as you say, I'm not going to change my opinion,
So I changed the facts. The Palestinians have been in
charge of the gods O for almost twenty years, and
that they freely elected Hamasta b their government. Knowing I
think what would happen in the long run, begging that

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Iran will get the nuclear weapon quickly set it out
over Israel. All hell would break loose and then it's
a culture of death, and then they'll go to heaven
with the seventy two virgins. And I wish the rest
of the world could see the reality of what Israel
faces and what they've overcome. They've called the desert to bloom.
It's a multi functional, multi dimensional Western democracy and it's working.

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And I'm sure in the months ahead, when peace finally
comes and Benjamin not to you know who's government's going
to be in trouble for not being prepared for what
happened on October the seventh. It's going to be a problem.
And I guess they're going to change governments. And I
pray the next government has his attitude when it comes
to defending our homeland. And the Professor Uri Kaufman book

(16:31):
is America into Intofada. We've not even touched the surface
of the of what's happening on college campus is how
they're infiltrated and paid for by ignorance from the river
to the sea. They think it's the Mississippi and the Caribbean.
They have no idea it's Jordan. In other words, killed
the Jews the six million that remained. But Professor, today's
a big day. We'll see what happens down the road.

(16:52):
But thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show and
Ury Kaufman the Book is America and to Fada once again,
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Professor, you're a great American. I think you have it right,
and I think I have it right.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I couldn't agree more. And thank you so much for
having me. It's always a privilege to speak to you
and a pleasure to be on the show.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
God bless America and God bless Israel. Thank you very much.
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I love having on people like Yuri Kaufman, who's written
books on the subject. There's a posting about three hours
ago on the official ex account of Israel itself that
says the following, At this moment two years ago today,
Israel faced the darkest day in our history.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
They wrote.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Today, on October seventh, Palestinian Hamasty Hottist invaded our land, murdering, raping, baring,
and kidnapping innocent men, women and children. Two years later,
we remember October the seventh, We remember the victims. We
pray for the return of the hostages still held in Gaza,
and we stand united against terror. AMAS must be dismantled

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to end this war. We remain committed to our values
now more than ever. Light will rise over darkness. Quote unquote.
Two years ago, approximately one thy two hundred Jews, Muslims,
Catholics and Christians, all Israelis and foreign nationals were murdered,
and two hundred and fifty one were taken hostage. Including

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in the group taken hostage was seventeen babies and toddlers,
all of whom have been killed by Amas.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
I might add.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
The video goes on to summarize Israeli efforts to dismantle
Amas's leadership. I don't know about you, but maybe I'll
watch at some point some of the documentaries and actually
what happened in October the seventh, twenty twenty three. But
much like watching Charlie Kirk being shot down in cold blood,
it's hard to watch. But one thing I do know

(19:05):
is that Israel has the right to defend itself. The
charges of genocide are lies, damnable lies. It's not true.
You know how we were acted on December seventh, nineteen
forty one. We were not at war at that point
with Japan nor Germany. We were trying to stay the
hell out of the war because at that point it
was mainly in Asia with Japan invading China, and in

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Europe it was of course Germany doing what Germany and
the Nazis did. Beginning of nineteen thirty nine, we tried
to stay out of it. We were sucked into it
only because of Pearl Harbor. Everything flipped. There were about
eighteen hundred service personnel and others killed at Pearl Harbor.
How do we respond to eighteen hundred being killed? We
declared war on Japan. Two days later, Hitler declared war

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on US, and we declared war on Germany. And for
the next four years we were at a total war
for our existence. In that war, Americans directly indirectly killed
tens of millions, the great majority who, by the way,
were civilians, unfortunately, such as the fire bombings in Germany
and the nuclear devices set over Japan, and also the bombing.

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But it was necessary to win the war, and there
was no between nineteen forty one and nineteen forty five
till the Armacist the Peace Treaty was signed in August fifteenth,
nineteen forty five. There wasn't nothing in the American media
about killing tens of millions of innocent civilians in order
to get at the Japanese government and the German government.
It wasn't a factor. It's simply that's what war is.

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On nine to eleven, there was about two thousand Americans
were murdered in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the nation's capital, and
of course New York City when the Twin Tires fell.
And at that point we more or less had been
at war with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, but
not really that they were killing us. They had a
clear war on us. We didn't respond to nine to eleven. Well,

(20:55):
nine to eleven got our attention, and over the next
several years that thousands of civilians were killed in Afghanistan,
in Iraq and still being killed, and there wasn't met
much protestation beginning in nine to eleven oh one through
the last few years and killing unfortunately unintentionally hundreds of

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thousands of civilians all over the Middle East. Because we
declared war in ol Kada, we went after him and
we did our duty. From Israel's perspective, when those were
twelve hundred Jews, mainly Jews, but also Muslims and Catholics
in Christian Israelis were slaughtered in the most horrible way,
that the same proportionality would be if two hundred and

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fifty thousand Americans were killed by a terrorist attack, how
would we respond? For example, if the Mexican government was
taken over by Narco terrorists and then in an incursion
into Texas that they invaded to Dallas and killed, Say,
I don't know, two hundred thousand Texans in Dallas, and

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on the way out, kidnapped a whole bunch of students
in Baylor University and went back to Mexico and put
the students in the ground somewhere in holes in caves
in Mexico. How would we respond to that? What do
you think we would have done? Well, I can tell
you what we have done. We would have made Mexico
a parking lot. You can't do that. So proportionality, what

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happened to Israel two years ago today would be the
same as two hundred and fifty thousand Americans being killed
and twenty thousand being taken hostage by the terrorists kept
under ground in tunnels somewhere near Guadalajara. We would have
declared war in Mexico, invaded Mexico, killed everyone involved, dug

(22:45):
up the terrorists, and shot them three times in the head. Heck,
I sound like a Virginia Democrat running for the Attorney
general's position.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
And we would have won that war.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
When you get our attention, we win the war World
War two, you got our attention, and the war on
Terror got our attention for a while. Then Obama and
Biden took over, and things that were kind of million
mouthed after that, including the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
But that's a different story.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
We were united in twenty oh one to two, three
and four held George Bush, who was a lowsy lowsy
candidate and a lousy president, was re elected in twenty
oh four. Because we're still with the globe, we're going
to go get you for doing this to us. Well,
the Israelis have the right to go get them who
did this to us. And the proportionality of civilian deaths

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compared to the deaths that we've been involved in is minuscule.
In fact, many independent groups have said the Israelis bend
over backwards to kill as few Palestinians civilians as possible
going after the terrorists who did that to them on
October the seventh, twenty twenty twenty three. And so they
are more careful than we ever wore when killing civilians

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imbedded with the combatants and amass as you may know,
is a death cult. As we sit here, this Tuesday
afternoon at twelve forty five pm. Almost two days have
gone by since Donald Trump drew the line in the sand,
gave them until eight pm on Sunday night to accept
the peace treaty, and time after time after time they

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play for more time. All it takes is for Hamas
to say, we lost you one. Here are the living hostages,
here are the dead ones, and flow in the aid,
rebuild goss and may take ten years, and we surrender,
and they probably could get some sort of free passage

(24:38):
to cutter or somewhere else. The ones that are left
living in the ground like moles probably could get that too,
to get out the hostages, but they refuse to do so.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
It is simple.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Normally, when you lose a war this badly, you simply
acknowledge reality and say we lost you one. We'll sign
some piece of paper and then the festivity. From our perspective,
it's over. But Amas doesn't want to do that. It's
one of the oddest movements in world history in which
they are a death cult. They want to die, they

(25:12):
want to spend time with those seventy two virgins committing
some active jihad, and Benjamin Nintanyahu's arranged a meeting, and
instead of admitting reality and saying you know what we lost,
they want to put their facilities under schools, under apartment buildings,
under hospitals, under orphanages, under power plants that they actually spend.

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They have five hundred miles of tunnels like rats underneath
all the important structures in Gaza. So to get at
them as an enemy combatant, the Israelis provide notices that
were coming and they have to notify the civilians above them.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
To get the all out of dodge.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
They try their best not to kill civilians because Hamas
wants their own people to be killed. Hamas wants Palestinians
to be killed at the hands of the Jews. Or
if there's protest in Gassa, as there was in Gaza City,
in which average Gazans say, we can't take this anymore,
a Hamas get the hell out of here. Hamas will

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come out of their holes and kill the protesters or
shoot them in the head two or three times and
they're dead. Then they go back in the ground, torturing
some of the twenty five living hostages that remain. And
so here we are again, waiting again and again, what
will Hamas do, won't they do? At some point this

(26:34):
madness has got to stop at some point. It's sad
when hostages are killed as so we had prisoners of
war killed in the Hanoi Hilton because of American bombing
in Hanoi, North Korea, in North Vietnam.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
It happened.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
We don't intend it, but to win wars, certain ugly
things have to transpire. To make an omelet, a few
eggs have got to be broken, and it's sad. America
spends his time trying to avoid civilian deaths, and the
Jews Israel spends its time trying to avoid civilian deaths.
One how Maas demands that their civilians be murdered on

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the altar of jihad. Some of the leaders in Cutter
living in luxury have said, look, we know what we
know what we're doing, but they're part of the movement.
If if a little baby is killed in Gaza, who's
who's a Muslim? That's part of the process. We have
to pay to kill the Jews. And when Yuri Kaufman
talked about the ring of fire all around until recently,

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Israel faced in the North Hespala they faced Syria, they
faced Iran on the on the east, down south, they
had the hoodies, and they had all the other Jihadis groups,
Islami Jihad, et cetera. The ring of fire has been
put out, and with the help of the United States
of America, Iran cannot produce electricity. Now Iran is running

(27:58):
out of water. Iran is in Syria is difficulty. But
the motivating factor of those politicians is not the warmth
and welfare of their own citizens. It is the fact
that the circumstances you find in your life is not
caused by the failure of our policies, but rather by
the Jews. The Jews did it to us. It is
a nice artifact to use, but it's wrong. Iran is

(28:21):
in its current condition because the Islamic leaders of Iran,
beginning in nineteen seventy nine, did everything in its power
to kill the Infidel, to kill the jew and use
all the resources of that great country toward building bombs
and tunnels and arming all the Jihattist around the world.
And now they're paying the price. So yes, I hope

(28:43):
Hamas at some point soon says, okay, we lost you one.
Here are the hostages, here are the body bags. And
then the Jews are going to release about a thousand
Gee hottists, many of whom are serving life sentences for
killing large numbers of people, sore every one hostage, it
might be forty Islamic terrorists released by the Jews thinking Okay,

(29:05):
we'll get those guys later. And that's the name of
that tune, that the failure of the public policies of
Muslim governments are obscured by the hatred they all have
for Israel, and that we're not responsible for the failure
of our policies and Jordan, or in Lebanon, or in Yemen,

(29:26):
or in Iran or Iraq, because after all, the Jews
did it. All the Jews have done all this in
the Middle East, and therefore we're not responsible for the
failure of our public policies. Blame the jew And hopefully
more and more Arab countries will figure that out. So
sometime soon, along with Professor Yuri Kaufman and others, I
hope Amas comes to its census. It doesn't help to

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have all these terrorist groups funding protest on demand across
college campuses. It doesn't help to have large foundations in
this country funding the protest and the assaults on ice personnel.
These are federal cops incentivized to be attacked by Democratic politicians.
Then the storm troopers arrive and box in some of

(30:10):
the ice vehicles or shoot at police officers. That's what's happening,
incentivized by big left wing democratic politicians in Chicago, in
Los Angeles and California and Portland. It's sad, but the
way things are, it's the manifestation of true evil. So
today we commemorate the second anniversary of the slaughter of

(30:33):
about twelve hundred Jews on October the seventh, two years ago,
and they're taking the two hundred and fifty one hostages.
A few remain. I'm sure they're in terrible condition. And
if I had a loved one living in a hole
somewhere in Gaza, I'd want almost anything done and get
them back. And I get that completely. But nonetheless, the
Jews and the Israelis are not the problem. It is
Islamic jihad. It's the problem. Beginning in nineteen seventy nine,

(30:56):
the Middle East was plunged into darkness. Largely, I hope
more and more citizens and Lebanon's maybe has figured it out,
and Jordan has figured it out, and maybe Iran will
figured out. We live the way we live in Iran
because of the failure of our policies and misuse of
our moneies, not because of Israel. Let's continue with more.

(31:17):
After one o'clock today, I have a guest here from
Heritage Foundation Heritage dot org about what's really happening happening
with the ice attack on federal cops and also who's
funding the whole process, and the fact that although the
media loves to talk about illegals cannot get medicaid, this
guest and others will talk about how it's done. Black

(31:38):
letter law is correct, it's in the books. Illegals cannot
get medicaid. But there's so many workarounds on that issue,
such as whether someone is not necessarily illegal, maybe undocumented
it ought to be should citizens get government benefits because
undocumented carries a whole bunch of connotation.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
But we'll see what happens down the road.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Then after two o'clock today will be the great Grover
Norquist of Americans for tax reform, and with the real
goal of the left wing in Congress is relative the
taxes and things of that things of that character.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
So let's continue with more.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Plus. Of course, the Bengalley's this Sunday at four to
twenty five are going to be in Green Bay, and
after that in Tennessee, then after that in Pittsburgh. Will
see what happens and keep hope alive, because when you
look at think about the REGs and the Bengals, all
we have is hope. Don't have much else. All we
have is hope. Bill Cunningham, the Great American with you
every day, But say a prayer for those who have

(32:37):
been killed at the hands of one of the worst
religious movements in world history, Islamic Jihad. Bill Cunningham, News
Radio seven hundred Wow. Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course,
immigration is a huge issue right now, and the President

(32:58):
ran on the issue of doing something. We're act about
the illegal immigration migration into this country and all that foretells.
And every time I listen to the media now we're
being told that the federal law prohibits the illegal immigrants
are begetting medical care and hospitalization, which is on the
face is accurate, but actually it's completely inaccurate. There's so
many workarounds, especially the California loop in which they're we're

(33:19):
paying for the illegal migration in this country is a
magnet into hospitals and emergency rooms. And if you've been
in an er recently, you see a lot of faces
in there that appears they're not paying a damn thing.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
The rest of us are.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
And of course the Heritage Foundation, Heritage dot org has
been there for decades, which is on the face is accurate,
but actually it's completely inaccurate. There's so many workarounds, especially
the California loop in which they're we're paying for. The
illegal migration in this country is a magnet into hospitals
and emergency rooms, and if you've been in an er recently,
you see a lot of faces in there that appears

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they're not paying a damn thing. The rest of us are.
And of course the Heritage Foundation, Heritage dot org has
been there for decades now. Conservative principles and how they
apply to this great nation of ours, And Laura Reese actually.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
Has authority over DC, and as does the President has
unique powers here in DC that he doesn't in other
states and localities. So when we're talking about the National
Guard and bringing them into a city or a state,
as we're seeing the need for in cities like Portland
and Chicago right now, as a general rule, the president

(34:30):
needs to have the governor of that state request the
National Guard to come in. However, if the president declares
an insurrection there because there is a riot or some
sort of violent activity that prevents the president from carrying
out the law, then the president can call the National

(34:52):
Guard into a city or state without cooperation from the governor.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
And is it limited to federal properties because right now
all hell's breaking loose in Portland and Chicago especially, and
in fact, the Mayor Brandon Johnson, who is completely out
of his gord, is talking about issuing executive orders that
would bar CPD Chicago police from helping. But does it
only involve federal assets around ice facilities or federal courthouses

(35:20):
or could it involve other aspects of federal enforcement.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Well, for the interruption law, no, it doesn't have to
be federal. I mean recall for La after when the
riots were happening there in the nineties, after the Rodney
King trial. That was you know, national Guard just out
on the streets keeping the street safe. That wasn't about
federal property or federal agents. So no, not limited to

(35:46):
that now in current events because we're talking about ICE
trying to carry out immigration enforcement of our immigration laws
that Congress passed. Then oftentimes we have rioters appearing around
ICE buildings and attacking the agent. So you know the
current situation. It is often about federal property, but it

(36:09):
doesn't have to be all right, and so at.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
This point you would like to think the governors and
the mayors would say, we could use the help. I
use the example of maryel Bowser, the mayor of Washington,
d C. Who was against it until it happened. Now
she seems to be in favor of it. Plus the
mayor of Memphis appears to be saying, Okay, let's see
what happens, but the governor says, let's do it.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
So it's not required. Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (36:33):
Right? It's always easier when the governor is asking for
the help, but it is not required.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
And as far as the attacks on ICE, do you
have a sense that the rhetoric by the liberal democratic
politicians incentivize physical attacks on federal law enforcement? Is that
something you're examining absolutely?

Speaker 5 (36:57):
I mean, how many times have democratic leaders called.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
Ice Nazis, the Gestapo, and on and on fascists they
are inciting violence and if you think about California Governor
Newsom demanding that ICE agents not wear masks after ICE
agents have been attacked, threatened, had their family members docked

(37:24):
and threatened, you know, of course ICE agents are going
to wear a mask because.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
They don't want to be distinguished. Yet they've got you know,
very clear markings and uniform that they are law enforcements.
The name of the individuals doesn't matter. And I don't hear,
you know, the governor of California or other Democrat leaders
telling Antifa to remove their masks. They're perfectly fine with

(37:51):
the violent rioters being covered up and not identifiable. So
you know that's typical.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
For the left.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Isn't it a main political act?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Because the state officials or the city cannot tell federal
law enforcement how to dress when they do their job.
They can't. In other words, this is simply political, and
no one's going to pay attention to Governor k Newsom
on this issue. Correct, that is correct. Let's talk about
paid protesters. I've seen some YouTube videos in which certain

(38:21):
individuals show up at every riot, every protest. The same
person's fifty to one hundred strong might show up for
Gaza and other times they show up anti vacs and
other times they'll show up for immigration issues, another time
they'll show up for Black Lives Matter. What is the
legalities of foundations and whether it's Iran or a communist

(38:43):
Red China or other organizations left wing groups by Zuckerberg's
ex wife who paid twenty million dollars to crowds on Demand,
or other institutions whose job it is to organize protests
and maybe insurrections or riots in major cities. And is
that in violation of federal law? If the same protesters

(39:05):
change their garb and show up at different kind of rallies.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Well, if they're practicing free speech and not bleeding over
to incitement or violence. You know, again, as we just said,
it doesn't matter really what they're wearing, but if they're
crossing state lines and citing violence, carrying out violence, that
is where they are breaking the law. And ever since

(39:33):
the riots of twenty twenty, you know, we've been calling
for investigations into the organizers and the funders of these
clearly organized rioters, and finally now the Trump administration seems
to be doing that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
So if that becomes a matter of public I think
generally those of us involved in the news business, understand,
these are individuals that are paid to be there, but
they whip others into a froth. Then they get connected
to other left wing social as groups and then from
that begins all the all the illegal activities.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
And there were other examples.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
For example, protesters in August were caught on camera displaying
at guillotine and clashing with police before law enforcement fired
and munitions to calm it down.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
And so when individuals are not.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Like, are not really concerned with the issue, but they're
bought and paid for, that's that's a different issue. What
role does sanctuary cities play into this? And and I
watched the news conference the other day with the chief
of Police of Chicago who was outraged with the idea
that his cops are not helping, which I think wasn't true.
But as far as the issue sanctuary city sanctuary states,
does the sanctuary city really have any illegal status?

Speaker 5 (40:43):
No, it doesn't. And recall, sanctuary leaders tried to have
tried to justify their refusal in the path to cooperate
with Ice by saying, well, immigrations the federal matter. You know,
we stay in locals, we don't have immigration authority. So
we're not going to enforce immigration law. Now we've got
cities like Chicago and Portland obstructing ICE, and that's where

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they cross the line. They are violating the law, and
it reveals the lies of their prior justification for sanctuary policies.
What they're really about is preventing immigration enforcements to facilitate
and prolong illegal immigration here because of their political power
depends on it for their calculations.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
So much like kind of much like ordering Ice not
to have a mask. Also, sanctuary cities have no legal
status at all.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
No, they don't. It's just a policy that they declare
or sometimes lie about, but practice.

Speaker 7 (41:45):
And really it.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Has become an obstruction, a prevention of carrying out seederal law.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
And lower raceothe Heritage Foundation dot org. As far as
the legal is getting medicaid, it is an article of faith.
And the mainstream meta talks about it all the time
that it's illegal for illegals to get medicaid, and that's
I hear it on NBCCBS, ABC, NPR and headline is
despite the comments of the administration, illegals illegally cannot get

(42:18):
medicaid And is that true or false?

Speaker 5 (42:22):
It's false the last love to play word games. And
so recall Biden waves his lawnd over many populations worth
of millions of people and declared them to be here
lawfully when they in fact were not, and then turns
around and would give federal benefits to those quote unquote

(42:42):
lawful aliens. And also Medicaid works through the states, So
we know there are many states, including New York and California,
that do in fact give medicaid to illegal aliens here
those governors brag about it, and California quickly went in
the world read many billions of dollars because of it.

(43:03):
So this is really a fiscal bottomless pit for these
states and the residents there. The citizens there need to
rise up and put political pressure against these governors and
leaders and say no, our tax dollars should be going
to resources for us, not to people who aren't supposed
to be here.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
You know, I heard it this morning on a national
broadcast that despite the statements of Donald Trump, illegals cannot
get medicaid. Can you describe in specificity the workaround by
California that gets to the same place, that is illegals
getting medicaid and federal funding for medical issues as opposed

(43:44):
to the black letter law that legals can't get it.
How does California work around that specifically.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Well, Medicaid is largely dependent on and uses the states
for vehicles for distribution, and so when you've got a
state that sets up distribution to the populations, it determines,
and in California's case, it has determined that it is
going to include anyone here, regardless of immigration status, in

(44:12):
that population, then those aliens can receive and.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Do receive that funding.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
And also, I mean you had mentioned emergency rooms, when
illegal aliens here often don't have health insurance and treat
the emergency room as their primary care provider, while hospitals
need to be paid for that, and they know that
they're not going to be paid by the illegal aliens,
and so they turn to the state and say, okay,

(44:41):
please pay this bill. And so that happens every single day.
And that is why one of many reasons why we
need to enforce our immigration laws so that hard earned
tax dollars are going to US citizens and those who
are here.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Lawfully, because we can't stop legal from going into an
er claiming I got you know, I got a broken arm,
I neat stitches, I have a fever, Give me some medicine.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
We can't stop that from occurring.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And that pass along goes first to the state, then
they put it in some formula to send it to
the Feds, and the Feds pay that. And so that's
why we need to stop stop illegals getting into the country.
How much money are we talking about in California, roughly
that they pay for medical care for illegals? About how
much in the state of California.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
I don't know per head, But earlier this year they
California quickly went into the red three billion dollars and
then just a few months later that doubled to being
in the whole six billion dollars, to the point where
then Governor Nathan had to apply the brakes a little
bit and narrow eligibility kind of the terms of giving

(45:51):
that money to illegal alien population. So you know, yet
again reality will smack a a communist, the socialists in
the head every single time.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
And lastly, Laura raised as far as these other governmental benefits,
so we're talking about medicaid paying for illegals directly or indirectly,
what about Section eight housing? What about food stamps? What
about free public education. What about free col cards and
what the prescriptions are all paid for? It isn't just
Medicaid getting paid to the illegals for their medical care.

(46:26):
What about the other federal benefits, the whole menu of benefits.
They are treated the same in Blue states as regular citizens.
And so is it true that illegals get food stamps,
Section eight, housing, free prescriptions, all the things that regular
Americans get. Is that also being paid for by the taxpayer.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
That certainly was during the Biden administration. Now during the
Trump administration at the federal level, they've been turning those
bigots off. The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development have
certainly turned off the Title eight housing for illegal aliens.
You know, will do their workarounds in Blue states again.
But all of this goes to show why you need

(47:05):
to prevent illegal immigration and to it fully enforced immigration
laws against those who are here illegally, because every one
of these benefits facilitates and prolongs and sinks the US
more into debt and deficit. And that's why we've got

(47:27):
to fully enforce the law. And that's why the Left
is aiming all of their fire at ice to delay
and prevent deportations.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
When you drive around your car and you hear on
the radio, as we all know, illegals cannot get Medicaid funding,
do you want to drive off the road?

Speaker 5 (47:48):
I tend to yell at the radio a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, all right, Laura reso Heritage dot Org. And thanks
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And the best
thing we have in this so called democracy is informed
citizens upon which they can cast and form the ballots
and coming in the elections about four weeks away, and
a lot of these issues may be directly or indirectly
on the ballot. But understand, the way to stop a

(48:10):
legal migration is out the southern bord. It goes once
they get into the country and get status or don't
get status, then all hell breaks loose financially. But Laura Race,
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Laura,
you're a great American. Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Well, thank you, thank you Bill having you on.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Well, let's continue with more news coming up. But when
you hear in the news that legals don't get Medicaid benefits,
there's the answers, and hopefully you'll understand sometimes the media
is not accurate Bill Cunningham News Radio. Seven hundred Wow.

Speaker 8 (48:38):
Second down and sixteen after that six yard sack for
Trey Hendrickson, Placco fakes a hand off.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Here comes the rush, his pass over the.

Speaker 8 (48:47):
Middle and it is intercepted offer ricochet.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
By Jordan Battle.

Speaker 8 (48:52):
He's running it back at the twenty five and he'll
be tackled after getting down to the twenty five yard line.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Hello, quiet, and I'm spokes I'm broadcasting guys.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
You knowe segment.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
We have a legendary Xavier coach and my first coach.
Before we get to Gordon Veterino, who has all the answers.
How many feet is it from home plate to second base?
How many feet is it across the football field? How
long are basketball courts? The parameters? But segment, the Bengals
just made an incredible trade. I'm gonna ask Gordon veteran
or whether he likes this trade or not. Tell the

(49:33):
American people what's going on, Willie.

Speaker 9 (49:34):
The Bengals and a very rare intra division trade have
acquired quarterback veteran Joe Flacco today in a trade with
the Cleveland Browns. What They're going to receive a six
round draft pick all the Browns Land a fifth round
pick in the deal, and Flacco joins the Bengals two
days after. Zach Taylor was non committal about Jake Browning,

(49:57):
who was thrown to eight interceptions, taking over for Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Gordon Veteran, what do you think about the trade? You
like Joe Flacco?

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Yes or no?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
It's got to be an improvement segment? What do you say,
seg I agree with the coach, no question about it.
Bringing about here and let's go what does this mean
for Jake the Snake? Well, it means that he goes
back to what he was doing and uh, you know
what backup quarterback.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Is he going to start Sunday in Green Bay?

Speaker 1 (50:25):
It's I don't know, Willie.

Speaker 9 (50:26):
Maybe though, maybe mister Flacco will be on a high
speed lane fast track to learn some of the offense.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Gordon Veteran, do you recall the seventh grade Saint Savior
Grade school? The year would have been something like nineteen
sixty or sixty one when you called me the quarterback
of the Saint Savior Golden Bears, and one cheerleader was
Penny Esbrock.

Speaker 10 (50:50):
Do you recall that unbelievable? That's that's impressive, very impressive. Yes,
it all began with you with basket of football and baseball.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
It was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
It's been a few years though, hasn't it at least
a couple You turn ninety today?

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Or when is it?

Speaker 4 (51:08):
In about an hour?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
An hour you'll be ninety sake, give me some more
sports and make it fast place. This is fast breaking news.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
Willie.

Speaker 9 (51:15):
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Speaker 4 (51:30):
Coaches Jack Monaghan.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
He dated Penny first and he's the chief of police
in Amberley Village for many years.

Speaker 10 (51:37):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Did he ever arrest you going through Amberland Village? Did
he give you a past?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
It came close a few times, but no, say please continue, Willie.

Speaker 9 (51:45):
We also want to thank uh Lear's Prime Market for
our lunch today. Deluxe Deli located in beautiful downtown Milford.
Learsprime dot com. Lears Prime always a cut off. And
of course, like I said, the Bengals have acquired Joe
Flacco in a trade to day with the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
We'll see, if you know, We'll see if he goes
on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Yes or no segment.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
The fans, desperate fans below, Now who's starting on Sunday?

Speaker 9 (52:12):
If they could get him on the fast track, will
he to give him some plays? I say, Flac goes in,
he's in. I failed in Cleveland. If you fail in Cleveland,
why do we take him in Cincinnati?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
He can?

Speaker 9 (52:23):
He can only there's only an upside now, only an upside.
I think he's got a little bit better players than
Cleveland does. Really, Yeah, Gordon on offense? When you began
who hired you at Saints, save your grades? Going to
started your career? That culminated and you coaching Xavier baseball?
How did that all begin? That's been a long time

(52:44):
I've had it. I have to think about that, think
about it. There's a lot of people involved with a
lot of nuns.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
A lot of nuns.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Well, there was what in every classroom. I didn't have
like a lay teacher until I went to Deer Park
High School as a sophomore.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I never saw one. And I don't know if nuns
were male or female.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
What the hell do you remember who the priest was
that year when you was it? Father Joseph Dowie.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I can't believe that. That's everyone knows that though. That's
an easy one. His two assistants, Father McNicholas was away with.
But you beat me too, bit sag. Please continue with sports, Willie.
Let's see baseball tonight.

Speaker 9 (53:21):
The American League Division Series has the spotlight Seattle in Detroit.
That's one one, Toronto and the Yankees, with the Jays
up two games to none.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Coach, who do you like now between Toronto and the
Yankees tonight?

Speaker 4 (53:33):
I go with the Yankees every time they play. Please continue, Willy.

Speaker 9 (53:36):
It looks like the golfers high school golf is being
delayed today because of the rainy weather around the Tri State.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
That's Roger Bacon, Basevich and also Wayne Carucci.

Speaker 9 (53:48):
Roger Bacon was tied my first place what early on yesterday,
but they they are seventh overall after day one of action.
Madeira and Fenwick are second and third overall. My division
two girls, Coach, did you ever coach golf? I played
a lot, but I've never coached. Please continue segment. It's

(54:08):
all I got so, coach, let me tell you a story. Okay,
I'm a I went to Saint Savior as a first grader.
I first met you when I was in the seventh grade,
you might recall, and you came up with the name
Golden Bears. You know how you came up with the
name Golden Bears. I'll tell you the story. If you
don't remember it.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
I have no idea. Hell all. At that point, there's
a guy named im Hoff who was playing basketball for
the University of California, and you liked the way im
Hoff played basketball, and so you had to come up
with a name.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
The principal came to you.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Sister Mary Ruth, and said, well, if we're going to
start a football program at Saint Savior's, we need a nickname.
And you said, well, I like this im Hoff guy.
Why don't we called him the Golden Bears. And she said,
that's a great name. So that's how the Golden Bears
started and football. And I can remember coming out for
the football team and I played baseball a lot, and

(55:01):
you had this little line us up on the goal line,
gave everybody a football and said who can throw it
twenty thirty yards? I threw it like thirty five yards
and you said, what's your name? I said Bill Cunningham,
and you said you're the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
So that's how I got that.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
You had some plays like forty six and twenty five crossbuck.
You recall twenty five and forty six crossbuck. Those are
the plays that you gave me.

Speaker 10 (55:24):
Naked.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
How about the naked reverse? Remember that one.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
In Catholic school? You wouldn't use that.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I little thing, well segment then naked reverse.

Speaker 9 (55:34):
Are you sure you can tell this story? Yes, you
didn't take your clothes off or nothing in it. Again,
exactly at that point you didn't show anything.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Okay, Everyone lad into the left and I got the
ball and I pivoted and faked alan striker going around
the left side. I faked the pitch and all of
a sudden, I put the ball on my hip and
ran the opposite direction with no blockers and on linemen
in front of me, And you called it the naked reverse.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Do you recall that?

Speaker 1 (55:59):
And Petty on the sidelines cheering on, and she you
know where, she's singing aka ka ching aka luka chong
aka like a ching chong chong chong chong Booma, Booma
like a sis Komba.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Saint Savior, Saint Savior raw raw.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Raw here we call that.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
One coach that I remember is remember her that little
Skirtchy had on with that white glouse. I was attracted,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, that's your memory is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I got that right, You got that right.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
At that point in my life, my father was an alcoholic,
terrible He left and when I hadn't needed a father
figure in my life as a twelve thirteen, fourteen year old,
that was you. You had values, you had ethics, you
had morals, and living there in Deer Park, there were
fathers in every home, but I was one of the
few homes that didn't have a dead And so it
was you, And it was Jerry Wood, and it was

(56:54):
Hal Pennington, and it was Joe Hawk and uh And
and Jerry and Hank as This and Tom Griswold. Those
were the father figures in my life. I played sports.
I threw myself in a football, basketball, baseball, and golf.
But the memories I have of you at St. Savior
for those three years like the corners of my mind.
I remember one time you stole me from Ev Banker

(57:16):
at we were playing for the Thomas Funeral Home, and uh,
you wanted to recruit me to play for Bernatt Pontiac.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Yes, And so I had to go to Ev Banker's.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Home and tell him that Gordon Veterino is stealing me
in two or three other guys to leave the Thomas
Funeral Home to go to Bernat Pontiac.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Did you did you get in io? He gave me
lots of things. Okay, I do not remember that. And
then you have this.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Here's the picture of the eighth grade boys team at
Saint Savior in baseball.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
How many of those can your name?

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Now?

Speaker 4 (57:52):
About half? About about half?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I see Jim Wannstruck, I see Alan Stricker, I see
me Marty Schwenarski, and I have to look at the
other one. It's a little blurry.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
I see Bobby Lake here.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Remember, very good. And you've kept this for the last
time I've had it ever since sixty three years. That's
it's been a while, sake, that's you haven't changed a bit.

Speaker 10 (58:16):
Will you take it right in front of the home
that was right across the street from it, where the
school was right there?

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Yeah, coach.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Thank you ninety years. May you have ninety more years. Veterino,
How many times have I used his name? What would
Gordon veterinazillions?

Speaker 9 (58:34):
And here he had a dollar if he had, if
he had a dollar for every time you mentioned his name,
he'd be you know.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
I'd be rich a lot rich. Well, coach, thank you
for coming in. I p ninetieth. Do you listen now
and then.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
All the time?

Speaker 4 (58:48):
You ever? You don't miss much?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Well, no, this is a this is a big thrill
for me. And you're here with Mark and Mindy, your son.
I see Mandy at Montgomery and and Montgomery. I get
me a slabber rid every now and then. So well,
you're the best, coach. Thank you for what you've done
for me.

Speaker 11 (59:05):
Well, you're welcome, and I'm glad I did it. You
did it, Yes, and you got the Xavier and you
want it all. But Gordon, may you may you have
great success. Without you, I wouldn't be the kind of
person I am today.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Oh that's nice for you to say that. Thank you,
Thank you, sech give me out.

Speaker 9 (59:20):
Of the stuards, WILLI and honor of the coach. We
leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge report.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
That is getting good.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Stand Horde. Thank you coach.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Congratulations on the life well lived. This was super there, buddy.
Thank you for we got a texture from Ron Roth
from all Or High School with an image. Oh yeah,
he was texting me right now, one of my coaches.
You taught them all.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
A good friend.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Continue to have a good life.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Let's continue with more segment. Thank you, yes sir on
seven hundred WLW Nation. Why keyword on our website deposit.
That's deposit, Enter it now, Bill Cunning him the great
American of course, Grover Northwest is going to frequent guest

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of mind for many years, if not decades. He's the
founder CEO of Americans for Tax Reform. He is the
underpinnings of what happened during the Reagan and the Trump
terms and returning more money to the American people and
chopping down the socialist inclinations the Democrats, which are only
getting worse not better. Now in the middle of the
government shut down, and there's some effort by the media

(01:00:32):
and the Democrats to go back and redo the Big
Beautiful Bill which had lots of tax really for average Americans,
and also to make sure that the legals get medical care.
And one thing that drives me crazy, and I got
to talk to Grover about this one, is every time
the national media says the federal law prohibits Medicaid dollars
going to illegal aliens, my eyes roll back in my

(01:00:53):
head because in black letter law that is true, but
in practice it is not true.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
In fact, it's a damnable lie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Illegals get lots of medical care paid for through that
by the taxpayer, especially in Blue states. Grover Norquest to
ATR Americans for Tax Reform, Welcome again to the Bill
Cunningham Show. And first of all, on the lie about
the Feds, through Medicaid or other sources, not paying for
the medical bills of illegals, can you put that one
to rest.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Bill.

Speaker 12 (01:01:22):
One of the ways I heard it explained by a
Democratic governor went as follows, what the bill really means.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
What I mean when I.

Speaker 12 (01:01:31):
Say that illegals can't get it, is I mean undocumented
can't get it. Now, somebody that comes across the border
illegally and gets from the Biden administration this little card
that says sometime in the next six years, come back
and we'll have a hearing. He has a document. Now
he's there illegally, but he has a document. So their

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shift from are you there illegally?

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Two?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Do you have a document? A few paper? The guy's
in this paper, but he's never coming back to the court.
The answer is, you're right. The law is very clear.

Speaker 12 (01:02:09):
People who enter this country illegally do get benefits that
Americans pay for. There are people who young males who
could be working, who choose not to work, who choose
not even to look for work, who get taxpayer benefits. Right,

(01:02:29):
The requirement there is very low, even for citizens. Okay,
and by the way, you can make up to like
half a million dollars and still be getting welfare under this.
This is ridiculous, and the other team throws up shafts.
The Democrats want to spend one and a half trillion
billion dollars more than the Republicans while whining about the deaficit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
So undocumented is not illegal according to Joe Biden's policies
on docum, it means you don't have a piece of
paper getting a hearing. Those are tens of millions of
people that are undocumented. Of course, they're here waiting for
a hearing. That will never take place, and so that's
the loophole. Plus California has another work around. Many Blue

(01:03:16):
states had the same thing. Explain what Gavin Newsom did
was a Calcare whatever that gave every human being legal
or illegal in the state of California free medical care
and the taxpayer dime.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Explain how that works.

Speaker 12 (01:03:30):
Well, they do this, but they also the money just
goes to the hospital and therefore and then gets spent.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
It is.

Speaker 12 (01:03:42):
The easy way to understand is they're lying. They want
more money and they want to be able to spend
it as they wish, and they do not wish to
have the American people see that they are spending money
on non citizens, on people who came here ill legally,
on people who are supposed to be deported, on some

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Americans who make hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars
but they get this free healthcare, and others who simply
refuse to work and could be working.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
They're not handicapped or anything.

Speaker 12 (01:04:21):
So this was done to reduce the cost of Obamacare
by cutting back on people who are abusing the system.
And for the left, abusing the system means somebody owes
you money and is going to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
For you because you gave it to them.

Speaker 12 (01:04:38):
They don't get any benefit out of giving some money
to somebody who needs it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
So the issue ought to be non citizens.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
If you're a non citizen, non citizen, not documented, undocumented, legal,
how about non citizens? If you put down on the
ballot groven norquest and say should non citizens receive free
government benefits? I would think that's a ninety ten issue.
But the media changes it to illegals undocumented instead of citizens.

(01:05:05):
And I think most Americans kind of conflate citizens with
legal status and those have temporary protective status from Venezuela,
Haiti or Cuba, with the idea of we don't want
to use our money to incentivize individuals that come here
illegally and secondly by undocumented. As an American, I want

(01:05:27):
American citizens to have priority over illegals, undocumented, temporary protective status, etc.
But if you would ask the average American should we
give non citizens billions of dollars in our tax dollars?

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Answers no.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
If you say, well, what about undocumented? But they have
a hearing set that's different, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:05:48):
Well, in California, this was actually on the ballot several
decades ago, and overwhelmingly the people of California said, no
welfare for people who aren't citizens. And then they got
some court to strike that down because for some reason,
this is back when the courts were much more left wing. So, yes,

(01:06:10):
it is a serious problem. Here's the cheerful news. The
Republicans actually passed a budget and they put it forward
and they cut spending and they reduced taxes. There was
going to be a four trillion dollar tax increase on
the American people, and the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Big Beautiful Bill stopped that.

Speaker 12 (01:06:35):
So every single Democrat voted against protecting the American people
from a four And by that way, that's four trillion
every decade. So it's not like four trillion and you're done.
Four trillion this decade, another four trillion next decade. That's
a four hundred billion every year into infinity. Is what

(01:07:01):
Trump and the Republicans said, this will not happen. The
Democrats wanted to raise taxes on people with children. They
wanted to raise taxes on the standard deduction that people
get to take, but by reducing the standard reduction, they
wanted to raise taxes on small businesses. They wanted to
raise taxes on people who get social security. They wanted
to raise taxes, on businesses in general, on and on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Investment, on job creating investment.

Speaker 12 (01:07:26):
They wanted to raise taxes, and the Republicans said no,
and Trump signed the bill and they didn't have the
votes to stop it because they lost the.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Election because they were running left wing crazy.

Speaker 12 (01:07:38):
And now they're sitting back, going, we will blow up
everything and shut down the government for two months. Remember
this in two months is all we have to do
in the budget. This is a fight over what do
we do for two months. Republicans say, how about status
quote for two months? We just get that done. And
the Democrats go, no, but we won't talk to you
about doing something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
And status cro u. Lets't you give us one and
a half.

Speaker 12 (01:08:04):
Trillion dollars of average Americans paying taxes for the Democrats.
And the Democrats want to spend it themselves, so they
don't have the votes to keep to race actes. They
don't have the votes to race spending, but they want
to say we will shut the government down.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Hold it like in the movies where they hold.

Speaker 12 (01:08:24):
Somebody hostage and they will shoot the hostage if you
don't let us have a plane to leave the country. Okay,
that's what the Democrats are doing. And then they're sitting
there in the bank with a gun to the teller's head,
going the Republicans made us do this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
The legendary Grover Norquest I had on Senator Ram Paul
about a week ago, and also Congressman Tom Massey, and
those two guys said both said the same thing. Donald
Trump wants to spend an additional two trillion dollars every year,
and the Democrats want to spend three trillion dollars every year.

(01:09:01):
How do you respond to Rand Paul and Tom Massey
that voted no against Trump because they want to balance
budget the penny plan?

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
How do you respond to that.

Speaker 12 (01:09:09):
One, Well, their votes no didn't reduce spending by a penny.
In fact, you worried that we were so close in
the House that there are no votes. In the past
have forced us to go get Democrat votes, which then
cost you a lot of money. This happens more often

(01:09:30):
at the state level and at the federal level. But
I'm all in favor of what Ron Paul did when
the Republicans had thirty extra votes in the House. He
would stand there and go, I'm the North Pole or
not the North Pole, the north Star. And here's perfect.
Here's what I think perfect would be. And I probably
agree with him on most of his definition of what

(01:09:50):
perfect budget would look like. Yes, however, perfect budget is
not on the menu today. We don't have the votes
to get there. So what we want to do is
take every step in the right direction we can. And
this be beautiful bill was a step in reducing the

(01:10:10):
size and scope of government from where it was heading.
It was heading way up into the sky, and they
brought it down. We need to do this every year,
again and again and again, and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
I get the frustration.

Speaker 12 (01:10:25):
How can we have to do this all the time?
How come the government can't be reduced? The Democrats didn't
build this monstrosity in a year or two. It was
sixty two years between nineteen thirty two and nineteen ninety
four when the Democrats in two two year periods thirty
four to thirty six New Deal and then sixty four

(01:10:49):
to sixty six great society that's at the federal government
was invented, created, built, you know, the seeds planted that
grew into great trees to priests. And now we're trying
to undo that expensive damage.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
It's not easy. It takes time.

Speaker 12 (01:11:09):
We have narrow majorities, and whenever somebody goes off and
says I want to give speeches instead of working to
reduce the size the government, I go, you know, if
we had a thirty vote majority.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
That would be fine. I never wind it.

Speaker 12 (01:11:24):
Ron Paul, when he would take that approach, Gingrich used
to say, okay, we need everybody's volt.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
There's the Ron Paul exception, and people go, how do
I get one of the Ron Paul exemptions?

Speaker 12 (01:11:34):
He said, vote against federal funding to fight floods when
your district is underwater, then you then you get the exemption.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
You know, that's a great answer. Because you grew up
in North Qoest. I can remember Ronald Reagan saying, you
get eighty percent of what you want, we'll work on
the other twenty percent later. And so in senat Iran
Paul's case, there's flex a little bit of flexibility in
the Senate, and Tom Massey's case, there's no flexibility in
that house. There were one vote away from this thing
going down in flames, in which case all hell would

(01:12:04):
have broken loose. So at this present time, we're in
the middle of this government shutdown. And the Democrats are
shutting down the government because they want to provide premium
support under Obomita care for those making five hundred thousand
dollars a year. They went NPR and PBS to get
five hundred million dollars immediately. They want to repeal the
Big Beautiful Bill, which is repealing the tax on tips

(01:12:28):
over time in Social Security.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
But the media doesn't point out those things, do they.

Speaker 12 (01:12:34):
No, And the Democrats say, oh, it's about healthcare, okay,
And the answer is no, it's not. It's a trillion
and a half dollars a piece of that is quote
unquote healthcare. And again much of that is healthcare for
people who aren't citizens. But as you point out, they
want to give money to public broadcasting. You know, a

(01:12:55):
bunch of rich people have fun with it with TV
shows that they like at the Hoyt Feloy that you know,
don't appreciate. Well, they can pay for it them. Sure,
you want to go to the symphony, pay for the symphony.
Don't steal money from taxpayers to pay for your symphony.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
All right, how do you see this thing, because right
now it appears we have an unmovable object, which is
Donald Trump meeting the irresistible resistible force. Chuck Schumer, We're
several days into this thing. The last shut down with
Trumpster was about thirty five days, about seven years ago.
That the next paychecks not to be paid out will

(01:13:33):
be will be the fifteenth of this month. Then federal
workers were paid on the thirtieth. Now the fifteenth is
coming up. How do you see this playing out? Well,
the last thirty five days where Donald Trump collapsed, which
I think is unlikely. Well, Chuck Schumer bow his head
and acknowledged the reality. How do you see it playing out?
Groover Northquist.

Speaker 12 (01:13:54):
Well, what the Trump administration has said they're going to
do is layoff extra raneous workers. Remember they said, we
want the workers, the necessary workers to come to work,
but the non necessary workers not to come to work.
I got a suggestion, why are we paying the non
necessary workers at all in the first place? And so

(01:14:16):
we need to reduce the total number of federal employees,
the number of people even at the Pentagon in the
civilian employees of the Pentagon, not the guys who with
to carry rifles and fly planes, but the civilians, the
bureaucrats who manage it, the controller of the Pentagon said
they're seven hundred thousand. We only need five hundred thousand.

(01:14:39):
We did not downsize the bureaucracy. When we downsize the
military Act of the Soviet Union broke into fifteen pieces.
Just they're a thousand miles further back than they used
to be. You don't need the same size army, But
somehow we got the same bureaucracy. And the Pentagon is
probably the least of our worries in terms of it's out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Much waste there.

Speaker 12 (01:14:58):
It's because they do some pretty serious work, but the
rest of the government.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Is very expensive.

Speaker 12 (01:15:05):
When they hire people and hire people, they don't fire
people who misbehave they They used to have unions everywhere.
Trump has gotten rid of the unions anywhere that national
security is involved, which was the law.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
I mean, any president could have done.

Speaker 12 (01:15:22):
That up until now. The Bushes could have done that,
they just chose not to. Obama could have done that.
But Trump said at the VA people were dying because
people go, oh, we worked to the contract. We can't
be bothered to get out of bed just because somebody
is too sick. And people were dying, and he said,
you can't do this, You're bad that's bad for national security.

(01:15:44):
No union at the v A, no union at the Pentagon,
no union at TSA, all of these places where it
really matters to be able to quickly change guys. Everybody
focus over here. Oh no, no, the union says, we
don't have to No. No, the well, then we have
the union. If they're going to get in the way
of saving lives, can't happen. And Trump shape and the

(01:16:06):
law says, the president alone makes this decision, not the
president in Congress, not a judge, not a bureaucrat, not
an expert.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
The president decides. So that's ironclad.

Speaker 12 (01:16:17):
And we really need to be saying, let's reduce that.
When somebody leaves, let's not be replacing all of them.
Let's figure out which ones need to be replaced. There
is an awful lot of money to be saved by
reducing the size of the bureaucracy. And we have two
months to take advantage of that and do some more

(01:16:38):
a great deal of that now and over time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
We need to make the commitment to slim down the government.
The other team wants to raise tatent.

Speaker 12 (01:16:45):
The government gets stuck and and and expensive, and they go, oh,
you know, that's a good argument for taking more money
from workers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
No, it's not. No, it's an argument for a diet
for the federal government.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Oh, we have to run go over a more question.
You're the best at the us ATR Americans for tax reform,
and I hope Russell Vaught, director of Management and Budget,
is going to do what needs to be done. But
Grover Norquiest, you're a great American. And thanks for coming
on the Bill Cunningham Show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Thank you, Grover Bell Belle, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
God bless you. Let's continue with more news coming up.
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Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
I'm broadcasting Rocky.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
About an hour ago, ninety year old we had in
my first formal coach Gordon in Vetterino. Legend you've had
me talk about him quite often. He is the legend
to get on the team.

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
Like he tells everything you know about sports, sorts, politics, life.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Now look at him, now look at me. I thanked
him because I needed that any formation of my life.
We'd have to take a test to get on the field.
How many feet is it from home plate to second
base in a direct line? Say from home plate to
second base in a direct line? I still know a
long one twenty seven one hundred twenty seven feet three
and three inches. You should know how many inches and

(01:18:33):
how many feet from rubbers the pitcher's rubber? What's a single?
What's a double? What's a fielder's choice? When should you
sacrifice bunt? How do you catch a baseball?

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
Show me? And then football? How wide is the field?

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Not how long? How wide is the field? And what's
the first down? And there are six plays you must master?

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
What are they? He had the form he was like
Bill Walsh before Bill Walsh existed.

Speaker 7 (01:18:59):
That's great because I know from coaching youth, like, don't
assume they know stuff because they likely don't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
You know, like how why it's a basketball court?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
How long is it? He said?

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Unless you know the rules, you can't play the game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
I still remember forty six crossbuck, twenty five crossbuck, then
naked reverse.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
We did all those things, see what I'm saying, and
naked on the field.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
And naked not exactly what he said, and then he
mentioned what my wife, my cheerleader girlfriend. Boy, it was on.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
I don't want to say that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
She was only fourteen at the time, but I saw
that little girl doing those cheers and that little plaid
skirt and that white blouse. That was it right there,
right there. What do I gotta do?

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Give you that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Right there?

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
You the big man on campus, and I bought was
quarterback of course, and pitch of course. He lined up
and in the first day of practice, not ever played football,
never touched the football. Line them up and said who
thinks they can throw football? And if by seven of
us said, whoever throws at the farthest is the quarterback.
I got up and threw it four. You are, I said,
you're the quarterback. And then we taught me seven or

(01:20:03):
eight plays. I taught the backfield. Jack Monahan, the chief
of police in Emberly Village, and Bobby Lake him. I
remember all those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
And how he named the Golden Bears.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
He also took like Federal Savings a loan to the
national title with Jeff Beckham and Ken Griffy was on
the team, and he was the coach that he coached
like a high level of summer league baseball team.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
High level.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
And then he went to his age you're and coach
there for many years after I left. Joe Hawk, those
are the days of men room. He got a hairy ass.
He was a hair ass man, that's all. I fell
off the chair too, fell off the chair right there,
ninety years old.

Speaker 10 (01:20:40):
The chair.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
He fell off the chair. He's trying to sit in
that chair on rollers, so he sits in the chair.
What about Joe Flacco? How long will it take? What
does he have to do?

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Is he going to start? I need the information right now.

Speaker 7 (01:20:53):
I guess my initial thing is, you know, he's not
very mobile for an offensive line. That's a little that
struggles a little bit. Not that was my first initial thought.
For God's sakes, He's got experience a lot of it.
He's you know, so I think that that's the ones
in the job. I think the Bengals said, well, we
tried the backup route, tried going with a guy that

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doesn't have experience. I mean one thing, if you do
watch Flacco like as it did in the first game
the Bengals played, I thought, he knows where to go
with the ball again, because he's seen every coverage, he's
seen every blitz.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
He's not gonna be surprised. But all that that's important.

Speaker 7 (01:21:31):
You gotta know that you got to know where the
guys are and you got to have the quick decision
making him when the ball has got.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
To go to him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
Don't hope at this a little bit of hope for
Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
I think.

Speaker 7 (01:21:40):
Look, I think if you're a fan, you're at least saying, well,
the Bengals aren't throwing away the season, which you can't
because the Ravens are bad at one and four, the
Browns are are bad. The Steelers are not world beaters.
The Bengals are one of only what one team that's yeah,
the only team that's beating the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Yeah right, So I mean a few things. You look
at it and say, is as bad as it is
not totally out of this thing. And then when they
played the Browns and Bengals played, Joe threw for like
two hundred and fifty some yards.

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
And yeah, I mean, remember the second half of that game,
he was dissecting a Bengals defense that the guy dosn't
miss that field goal?

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
So why would the Browns trade him for a bag
of ball?

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
Because he got like seventeen quarterbacks from their team, and
they're in, they're becomes a backup, right yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
They're they're like a developmental kind of team. They're not
going to win anywhere anyway, right, They never go in
and never go anywhere. Yeah, so what the hell? They're
perpetually rebuilding at least three times. We've been to the
super Bowl three times in fifty six years. Three times.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
It's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
It's not bad. It isn't I think that's bad. But
maybe I'm wrong. The Browns have never last time they
won anything. Compared to the Browns, it's not bad.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
Nineteen sixty four. You might remember Frank.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Ryan just a couple of years after Gordon Vetterino Veterina.
In fact, in fact, Paul Brown learned a lot from
Gordon Vetterino, and that's how he got the job here
and he became the owner and sold yeah, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
But think you so you have more hope with Flacco
than with Jake the snake.

Speaker 7 (01:23:05):
I mean, looks would they put Sean Clifford in there?

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
But I'm you know, he's he's from saying next he's
not going to failure.

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
But no, I think it gives you hoax if you're
a fan, if you're if you're a fan, Elder is
my new team.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
Elder, that's right, Elder is my new team.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Are on the leading the bandwagon right there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Those are my guys.

Speaker 7 (01:23:25):
Now that you said that, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, careful panthers,
you just god the kiss of death Willie has jumped
on your bandwagon.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
I told Doug Ramsey, look, I talked to Rocky Boyman
who knows those guys at ed Muller, and they said
they're going to kick your ass tonight. He said, really,
I said, you tell those Elder players get ready for
an ass kiss kicking.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
And guess what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
That's what he said.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
They came out of that locker room ready to go
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Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
I want to I have an answer, Rock. Is he
starting Sunday or not?

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
I need to know. I think there's a chance he could.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
What do you say, seg yes? Please continue.

Speaker 9 (01:24:21):
We also want to thank Penn Station Willie for our
lunch today East Coast Subs. It's all about good taste
at Penn Station East Coast Subs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
I love it.

Speaker 9 (01:24:31):
Let's see the big trade as we've been talking about.
Joe Flacco comes from the Browns to the Bengals and
a deal deal. The Bengals also get a sixth round
draft pick, the Browns a fifth round pick, and the deal.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Who gets the fifth and who gets the sixth.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
The Bengals get a sixth and the Browns get a fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
So they traded him for a one round up or
one round down. That was it, right, That's not a
big deal. Let's sit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
We'll get a pick and a player. Whether Bengals pick somebody,
they never pick good players anyway.

Speaker 9 (01:25:00):
College football twenty six ranks Cincinnati Bearcast looks to continue
those winning way Saturday against UCF more tonight on the
Scott Centerfield showed live for the Ridge of Montgomery in
after Sports Talk right here on seven hundred WLW. Let's
see American League Division series coming up today Seattle in Detroit.
That series nodded one to one tonight the Toronto and

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the Yanks. That Jay's leaded there too.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Oh oh, Flatco is seeing it all and done at all.
He's got a super Bowl ring him credit for that.
Been to four different teams, was it? I mean Baker
Mayfield a couple of years ago? I figure what team
he was on he came in was it with the Ram?
With the Rams?

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Did okay?

Speaker 7 (01:25:40):
Came right in one week on the team and did well.
So let's say what can happen if you if you
have experience, it can happen.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
You'll be there tonight. You'll be here tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:25:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Oh, he's yeah, he's here now and he's studying.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
The playboffs four percent of the playbook. Can he use.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
May get twenty of it in?

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Well? Joe Burrow helped O Placco. That's I never thought
of that one. That doesn't seem like they should.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Right, doesn't he should? But he probably will a little bit. Yeah,
he's still got the money anyway, got the money, got
the ring from l s. Hu's got everything. So Jake
Brownie will not help you. Jake the Snake Brownie will
not helping him. How about Clifford, a big red dog
from Saint X. What about him?

Speaker 7 (01:26:22):
I mean he moved up right because they got They
got rid of Mike White, they got rid of him. Yeah,
these are tough times, Rock. It's a war of attrition.
Got to keep wear him down, get to the top.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Do you have any hope?

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
A little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
You didn't answer, I.

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Got a little bit of hope. Again, I think hope.
This isn't This is an injection of hope. Shows that
the franchise cares.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
And what is the player right now?

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
In the locker room. You're in the locker room and
here comes Joe Flecco and you're a linebacker. What do
you say, Joe?

Speaker 6 (01:26:54):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Hey? I hope you're as good as they think you are.
Let's go, let's go all in Green Bay. They're like
a fourteen and a half point dog in the lines moving.

Speaker 7 (01:27:05):
I've I mean, hell, I've signed you know, six weeks
into a season and more.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
It's I signed with the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 (01:27:12):
I worked out with the Chiefs on a Monday, signed
on a Tuesday, and started on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
But you know, it's a much like at theer park,
let's go get the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
When you're the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
A little different.

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
Well, it's more of a it's a language thing. So
all the routes and the and the schemes are all
the same. It's just a matter of, well, hey, we
uhould call it, you know, patriot, you guys call it whatever,
And you know, we gotta whidle that down.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Go from there.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
See what happens. What's in the big show today?

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
Let's see, Uh, well, we are gonna do a little
bit of one eight and talk a little Joe Flacco
join us. But right out of the gate we have
Susan Fisher, the executive director of America's River Roots, and
join us.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Got a big.

Speaker 11 (01:28:00):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Let's see, we got doctor Patrick Porter on at four o'clock.
You got you ever get.

Speaker 7 (01:28:06):
Songs in your head and you're like, why the hell
is that song in my head? And I keeps singing
it over. He's gonna tell us why. He's a brain expert,
really gonna tell us why I need that. That'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
I got joege Thurgood's Bad to the Bone in my head.
I can't get it out. Well, that's because it's your
freaking maybe not.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
How do we get out of it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Like? Well, maybe not use that as your intro music?
Even doing that? For how long has that been your
intro song? Years?

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Bert Camphor?

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
I had some jingle from Bert Camphor segnos him in
the beginning, I'd say thirty thirty five years. I don't know,
introduced him once. He should change it up, change it
up to what I don't know. Definitely anthem, national anthem, Philadelphia, freedom, God,
bless America.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
I don't know Lee. How about Lee Greenwood? Lee Greenwood,
that's the one I like.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Don't change your intro. It's classic. You got to stay
with his classic, iconic. It's unbelievable. Any we have hope
we never had before. Now we have hope black over
a little bit. Wouldn't it be something? It took us
to the to the playoffs in the Super Bowl? Would
you believe it would? Did?

Speaker 7 (01:29:07):
Did we get any defensive players? Did Miles Garrett come
with him? Any of those guys? Don't wonderful? We got
both those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
To trade Joe Burrow to grow trunk.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Would you trade Joe Burrow for Miles Garrett and Joe Flacco? No? No,
Miles Garrett, Joe Flacco and Quinn Shawn Judkins. No, I
wouldn't trade Joe for anybody. How about Hunter Green for
Miles Garrett? What about that one? Now that I would
do it?

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Trade Hunter Green?

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Right now? You would?

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
I would?

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Would you?

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
I'm not sure how that would work, but let's find
out the heck, you gotta think ask the question. I
think outside the park, you sure do. How do you
know if you don't ask, ask, ask the guardians and
talk talk to the Did you know that Penny was
ever gonna grow with? You had to ask? Asked her?
Asked her?

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
At one a m. In the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
I called her you her Dad's house at one am?

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Why?

Speaker 5 (01:30:02):
Oh boy?

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
When you drunk? Now, Mark Sanchez, I was like fifteen
years old. I want to take a round and yeah
the rest. I went to the midnight mass at Saint Savior.
Got home by it was after one o'clock and I
was looking for a date. So I looked in the
book under rick Asbrock and he lived at eighty three
h one York and his phone number was five one

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three seven nine one three nine nineth threes.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
At one thirty am on December the twenty sixth I
called and he answered the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
He said who is this? I said, this is Bill Cunningham.

Speaker 10 (01:30:36):
Who are you?

Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
I like to ask your daughter on a date. And
then I heard him say, Penny, do you know of
Bill Cunningham? She said yeah, I think I do, and
she dad said he's a RS marine. You got thirty
seconds and I said, hey, you want to go on
a date? She said sure?

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
I said, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Did He asked why you were calling at one thirty
in the morning. Then, well at two am. I picked
drew up the next night and the reason of the
reason I'm calling so late, I just came home from
midnight mass.

Speaker 10 (01:31:06):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
We were midnight mass.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
I said, yes, had a little Penny in the blonde
hair standing there shirt and then all of a sudden
thoughts while we were sitting there, sort of thoughts I
did or bad? It worked out? Well, that's all it matters.
The rest is history. Then she wouldn't have sex with me,
so we had to get married. When I was nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
That was terrible. Imagine that you don't have that problem today.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
That's not how it goes anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
That's the way it went.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
And when I picked her up, she had a rosary
around her neck her mother put there. I said, they
talked about a rally killer right there, getting that or
anything else?

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
No bingo, say give me out of the stuture today.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Around her and.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
A scapitolo. Oh my god. She had a prayer book
with her.

Speaker 9 (01:31:57):
Willian of a rainy day year at the Tristate True Story,
we leave you with the immortal words of the stew.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
He's not saying that anymore, is he? Joe Flacco, Welcome
to the Queen City. Do better than Jake the Snake Browning.
He's related to Tom Browning. I'm sure you won't say that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
I think they forced Joe Fla to drive down. Yes,
he drove him.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
That was like the cheerleaders pay mileage. That's part of
made the cheerleaders flying their own nickel to Canson for
the Super Bowl. Anyway, Rockley, thank you. Think about little
Penny with a rosier around her neck, trying not to
say thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
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