May 19, 2025 • 18 mins
Willie talks with Hamilton County Coroner Dr. Lakshmi Sammarco about the autopsy of Ryan Hinton.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
By Billy cunning in the Great American Joonaan you and
I now is doctor Lastmi Somarco Himna County Corner and
doctor Samarco. Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And
first of all, doctor can you tell the American people
your preliminary findings and what caused the death of Ryan
Hinton on May first of this year?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, Willie, thanks for having me on the show. Just
you know, I had the press conference to make sure
that the facts were given accurately to the public. So
he had a soft tissue wound to the left forearm
and entrance wound and exit wound. Then he had the
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lethal wound was to the side left lateral which is
the side of the chest, and that did deflect and
injure one of the ribs and then went travel through
the left ventricle and exited near the sternum.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So as far as the may I use the term
kill shot, can you a relative to the left armpit?
How many inches below the left armpit did the bullet
enter and what part of the body did it exit?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It didn't, I mean, it's not interesting. So if if
you were wearing a if he had been wearing a
bra like a woman would, it would be bralined basically,
and it exited by the sternum.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Is there any indication at this point whether there were
three shots fired or two that hit the body.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's a great question. What we do is describe entrance
and exit wounds, and so there are actually three entrance wounds.
The reason we don't make a comment about whether it's
the same bullet or not is we don't know. But
it is possible that the left form and left lateral
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chest wound could have been caused by the same bullet.
That is possible.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
The videotape shows Ryan Hinton running, so if the arm
was in the downward position and the right arm in
the upward position as he was running, it's possible the
bullet would have entered the forearm as he was running,
and that same bullet as the one that went through
the chest and exit out the startam. Is that correct? That?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah? The left form, Yes, that is correct. It's possible.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
What was that bullet recovered?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
No, no, there are only small pieces of it that
were recovered. But no.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now, he also made the comment, at least at the
news conference in the media that you received the grand
jury subpoena from the Prosecutor's office. It was the first
time in thirteen years that has happened. Why is that unusual?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I well, I mean, you got me. I mean, this
is the first time I've ever gotten one, So I
don't I was unaware. In fact, I kind of asked
the some of the more experienced people that had retired
from that office in the past, has that ever happened
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in Hamilton County? And one of them, who had been
there over forty years, said no. So I was not
familiar with that happening and why, And so I asked
that question, and like I said, I had to. I
canceled it. But it was basically, in my mind, a
postponement because I just needed to gather the facts and
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information and find out, you know, what was needed and
what needed to happen. And once I got all my
ducks in a row to understand what the implications were
of the Grand jurisipoena, and then I and then I
also found out that some of the preliminary autopsy findings
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were being provided in a public way, not from my office,
but other offices, and I felt it was important that
the public here from our office because as you know.
I mean over thirteen years, I have been tried. I
have tried to be as transparent as possible with the public,
with the media, and also as factual as we can.
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And I think it's important that the media and the
public here from me or somebody in my office what
the findings are so that we can accurately provide that
information and answer questions.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
There was a report from Ken Kober, who's had of
the FOP that he said on this air that the
anton was shot from the front and the bullets began
exited from the front of his chest to the back
of the chest. Is it fair to say your findings
did not support that?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's correct. Our findings did not support that.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Now there's a reporting also from other sides, the Cochrane
Law firm. I had on mister Wright from the Cochrane
Law firm. He said he was shot in the back.
Did your findings find that to be inaccurate?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
The lethal wound was from the left side of the chest.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Could the bullet have come from the back? In other words,
when the officer fired that bullet?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Did not No, because the entrance wound was left lateral
chest and it exited near the sternum, which is the
front of the chest right, So not that one.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
All right. So in a sense, the head of the
police union may be wrong, and the Cochrane law firm
may also be wrong. If one says it was a
front surnam to back and the law firm says it
was from the back. Both those indications, if what I
said is accurate, both of them are wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
When it comes to the lethal wound. That is correct.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Now, when you mentioned your own counsel, there was some
reference that your news conference ane and a half that
you're getting your own counsel. I think the guy's name.
I don't want to give out his name if it's
a matter. But by statute, the coroner's office as lawyer
is Countie Pillage, the county prosecutor. And why would you
need your own counsel?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I consulted somebody to give us some advice because the
grand jury subpoena that was served was served by the
prosecutor's office, and in discussing with the prosecutor's office the
grand jury subpoena and other information that I requested, they
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said that I would They advised that I would need
to obtain independent council because that represented a conflict of
interest for the prosecutor, and.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You're relying upon the advice not of the prosecutor Countie Pillage,
but on this independent attorney to proceed how to proceed?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Is that correct as far as the press conference was concerned.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yes, okay. At this point, has there been a second
autopsy requested by the Cochrane Law firm.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, Actually I was aware. I was made aware about
a week ago or a week and a half ago
that that had already been.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Performed, okay, And that's why the body was released for
burial on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, the body was released for burial when we were done,
So we don't we don't hold the body back if
we're done with what we need to do. We want
the family to have the option to as always with
any case, as soon as we're done doing what we
need to do for our portion of investigation, we release
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the body to the family so that they can say
goodbye to their loved ones and take the appropriate measures
to to make that happen. So we do that as
quickly as we can for anybody. And what happens to
the body once they received the body at the funeral
home is up to the family, and if the family chose,
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along with their attorney to have a second autopsy done
at that time, that's that's their choice to make.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
As far as this other bullet, I think there was
a third gun shot, and that slug was found inside
the body. Can you tell the American people the course
of that third gun shot that was located beneath the
base of the skull? Explain that place?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So that was that travel just beneath the skin, and
the entrance wound was the right poster a lateral and
I you know, right poster a lateral portion of the
chest and adjacent to the right shoulder, So it was
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in that region and it literally traveled right between the
right I'm sorry, right beneath the skin, and it stayed
was just beneath the skin. It didn't impact any bones
at all.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Uh. Can you say which of the gunshots were fired first?
Because when I hear the left side like a woman's
brawl strap kind of several inches below the armpits. Then
I hear about this other bullet that hit the right side,
that indicates to me the body was turning in some sense?
Am I right about that?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I couldn't tell you what position I mean, I can
tell you that the that the lethal wound was from
the left side, so and like literally the side, not
you know people say was a kind of a little
bit to the fan, a little bit to the back.
Note it was directly at the side of the body.
So that I can tell you as far as which
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one was first and which one was second or third,
I I couldn't tell you. I mean, I don't know
which one. And I don't know if somebody can take
a look at that body camera bodycam footage and tell
you either, because there, I mean it is and pretty
fast and it's really blurry, and I don't know about you,
but I get a little motion sick, and I mean
even seeing enough as that was like, oh boy, I
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can't watch. So, you know, I think an expert that
can go frame by frame and maybe isolate some of
the sound and can do that maybe able to tell.
But we can't tell which one was first or second.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So someone would take a laser beam from the end
of the police officer's weapon and have a straight laser
beam into the body of Ryan Hinton. The entry room
that killed him was directly in the side, neither front
nor back, below the armpit and the left side of
the chest, and the other wound was in the right
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side of the chest. The boy came to beneath the
base of the skull and stopped there. That wasn't the
kill When I hear about base of the skull, I'm
thinking that's like a kill shot, but you're saying it is.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
No, no, no, no. It didn't even enter the skull.
It was. It was completely just beneath the skin, and
it was below the skull. I was just trying to
give a position of where the bullet ended up, because
we did retrieve.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That bullet, okay, But as far as the kill shot,
it was directly in the side. What you would indicate
that when Ryan Hinton was shot, the officer was to
the side and not to the front of the back.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That's the way the bullet traveled. It was directly to
the side.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Where does your investigation go from hare, Are you completely
done at this point?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
No, we actually have a couple more lab tests that
were waiting on just to be complete. And when everything
is put together, everything we finalized, the death certificate will
be final, death certificate will be signed and that'll be
the end of that. So you know, as far as
what percentage of the investigation do we have left? Probably
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less than ninety percent. Most of it's already been done.
But we're always complete on looking for as I said
in the press conference, as a service to Hamilton County
residence and to the family of the victims, we're pretty
thorough and looking at all the other parts of the
body to see if maybe there's some sort of genetic
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disease or something that we need to inform them about,
or if there were other medical issues that that person had.
We try and be complete to give them all the information.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Did you find any illegal drugs in Ryan Hinton's body?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, that's still toxicology and that's still even though some
of it's come back, not all of it's comeback.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Is the part that's comeback indicating he had illegal drugs
in his body.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You know, I don't want to talk about it right now, Willie,
because we still have other things pending, and I don't
want to keep going back and forth on the information.
Let's just wait until we get everything, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Can you discuss that all the gun itself? Was it
in the right hand of Ryan Hinton? Do you know
from any of your work whether the gun was in
the right hand at the time he was shot.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
We don't have any of that information. We you know,
as far as if you're looking for a gun chat
resident and whatnot. As I explained in the press conference,
just the fact that he was shot could cause him
to have gunshot residue on a skin surface, So that
wouldn't be a definitive indicator of whether he had a
gun in his hand or not. And if you know,
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and I think you know this already, I mean, the
presence of gunshot residue doesn't necessarily indicate whether even somebody
pulled the trigger, right, I mean that there's a certain
distribution if if a shooter pulls the trigger. But just
the fact that there may be gunshot residue anywhere on
the body or clothing doesn't necessarily mean that they pulled it.
They could just be near somebody that was shooting, or
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you know, within a closer vicinity so that it sprays
out on them. And you know, and if you're a
victim that's been shot, of course there's going to be
gunshot residue. So it's not a good indicator.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Did you find any nitrade or gunshot resnue on the
body of Ryan Hinton.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That's another thing I would have to ask for our
FONTS guys about or trace evidence guys, because I haven't
looked into that. I was simply presenting autopsy findings.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Now, how many feet was Ryan Hinton when he was
hit by the kill shot from the origination of the shot?
Was it five feet? Ten feet twenty?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Would not be able to tell you. That would be
something that I wouldn't be able to tell you. And
if the pathologists can can say that, nobody asked him
that question that I'm aware of, because I wasn't given
that information.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So as far as the right hand of Ryan Hinton,
there was no indication that Ryan Hinton had far at
any weapon. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I don't know that. I don't know what the GSR
GSR results were on that, Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And when will you have the toxicology report complete? About?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, hopefully we'll have most of the stuff complete by
this week, would.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Say within seven within seven days?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, I would think so. Yeah, And I still
have to I'll still have to check with our Trace
sevenance section as far as if we did any GSR
collection and what that shows.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That's its gunshot RESIDU is GSR correct. Yeah, yeah, we
doctor Simarco, thank you. I have I not asked you
a question I should have.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That's your job, Willy, a great job. But you know what,
I do want to say something, you know, because I
think you and I have discussed this before. I think
the events of the last few days really make it
apparent why it's so important for corners to be independently
elected in the great state of Ohio. I mean, it's
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exactly these kinds of situations where you want your corner
to be independently elected and empowered to be able to
speak to the people and give them provide the factual
information to the people.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
This is relatable. It's about a month ago the House
of Representatives and Columbus passed a bill that eliminated the
county corners offices put them under the auspices of county commissioner.
And everyone I've spoken to about that said, don't do it.
And this is a perfect example as why not to
do it. You don't represent the prosecutor, you don't represent
county commissioners, you represent an independent body elected by the
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people directly. Is that the point you're.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Making, That's exactly the point I'm making. And that's why
I asked everybody to Senator Bill Bluffing has authored an
amendment to remove that language and keep the corners elected
in the state of Ohio, and he's putting that in
front of the Senate for their vote, and I encourage
everybody to get in touch with their state senators to
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please find on that or to support his amendment.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
All right, doctor Somarco, thank you. And you waited to
have it. You got independent lawyer advice and to proceed,
and you're proceeding, I guess over the objection of the
county prosecutor. Is that fair to.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Say, well, I'm proceeding after I've been given advice that
I can proceed. And I think it's important for our
public to have the information from our office, directly from
our office.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You don't work for nobody but the American people.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I work for the people of Hamilton County.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Doctor lastmis Marco, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
WILLI all right, let's continue. Wow, so we'll see what happens.
I'm holding these statements of Cincinnati police saying that this
was justified shooting, which I certainly believe is the case,
but it appears not to be the case that the
officer shot Ryan Hinton directly in front of him in
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the chest, starting him to the back. It appears likely
at this point that Ryan Hinton did not have in
his right hand the so called nine millimeter. The picture
has shown it appeared he did not have it. But
let's see what develops later. It's still, to my way,
a justified shooting. And in fact, the county prosecutor, County
Pillage said on Friday with me on the air, that
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she has seen nothing to indicate that it was a
bad shooting. And she has seen all the videotape available.
There's only one, by the way, only the officer doing
the shooting bodycam. It's the only one available. And Connie
Pillage said on Friday she's seen nothing to indicate that
a crime was committed by the police. And I assume
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she's sticking with that because she has seen the videotape.
Now she is the autopsy results which seemed to indicate
that Ryan Hinton was shot from the side and not
the front or the back. From the side. Let's continue.
Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW
By Billy cunning in the Great American Joonaan you and
I now is doctor Lastmi Somarco Himna County Corner and
doctor Samarco. Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And
first of all, doctor can you tell the American people
your preliminary findings and what caused the death of Ryan
Hinton on May first of this year?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, Willie, thanks for having me on the show. Just
you know, I had the press conference to make sure
that the facts were given accurately to the public. So
he had a soft tissue wound to the left forearm
and entrance wound and exit wound. Then he had the
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lethal wound was to the side left lateral which is
the side of the chest, and that did deflect and
injure one of the ribs and then went travel through
the left ventricle and exited near the sternum.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So as far as the may I use the term
kill shot, can you a relative to the left armpit?
How many inches below the left armpit did the bullet
enter and what part of the body did it exit?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It didn't, I mean, it's not interesting. So if if
you were wearing a if he had been wearing a
bra like a woman would, it would be bralined basically,
and it exited by the sternum.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Is there any indication at this point whether there were
three shots fired or two that hit the body.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's a great question. What we do is describe entrance
and exit wounds, and so there are actually three entrance wounds.
The reason we don't make a comment about whether it's
the same bullet or not is we don't know. But
it is possible that the left form and left lateral
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chest wound could have been caused by the same bullet.
That is possible.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
The videotape shows Ryan Hinton running, so if the arm
was in the downward position and the right arm in
the upward position as he was running, it's possible the
bullet would have entered the forearm as he was running,
and that same bullet as the one that went through
the chest and exit out the startam. Is that correct? That?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah? The left form, Yes, that is correct. It's possible.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
What was that bullet recovered?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
No, no, there are only small pieces of it that
were recovered. But no.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now, he also made the comment, at least at the
news conference in the media that you received the grand
jury subpoena from the Prosecutor's office. It was the first
time in thirteen years that has happened. Why is that unusual?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I well, I mean, you got me. I mean, this
is the first time I've ever gotten one, So I
don't I was unaware. In fact, I kind of asked
the some of the more experienced people that had retired
from that office in the past, has that ever happened
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in Hamilton County? And one of them, who had been
there over forty years, said no. So I was not
familiar with that happening and why, And so I asked
that question, and like I said, I had to. I
canceled it. But it was basically, in my mind, a
postponement because I just needed to gather the facts and
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information and find out, you know, what was needed and
what needed to happen. And once I got all my
ducks in a row to understand what the implications were
of the Grand jurisipoena, and then I and then I
also found out that some of the preliminary autopsy findings
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were being provided in a public way, not from my office,
but other offices, and I felt it was important that
the public here from our office because as you know.
I mean over thirteen years, I have been tried. I
have tried to be as transparent as possible with the public,
with the media, and also as factual as we can.
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And I think it's important that the media and the
public here from me or somebody in my office what
the findings are so that we can accurately provide that
information and answer questions.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
There was a report from Ken Kober, who's had of
the FOP that he said on this air that the
anton was shot from the front and the bullets began
exited from the front of his chest to the back
of the chest. Is it fair to say your findings
did not support that?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's correct. Our findings did not support that.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Now there's a reporting also from other sides, the Cochrane
Law firm. I had on mister Wright from the Cochrane
Law firm. He said he was shot in the back.
Did your findings find that to be inaccurate?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
The lethal wound was from the left side of the chest.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Could the bullet have come from the back? In other words,
when the officer fired that bullet?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Did not No, because the entrance wound was left lateral
chest and it exited near the sternum, which is the
front of the chest right, So not that one.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
All right. So in a sense, the head of the
police union may be wrong, and the Cochrane law firm
may also be wrong. If one says it was a
front surnam to back and the law firm says it
was from the back. Both those indications, if what I
said is accurate, both of them are wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
When it comes to the lethal wound. That is correct.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Now, when you mentioned your own counsel, there was some
reference that your news conference ane and a half that
you're getting your own counsel. I think the guy's name.
I don't want to give out his name if it's
a matter. But by statute, the coroner's office as lawyer
is Countie Pillage, the county prosecutor. And why would you
need your own counsel?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I consulted somebody to give us some advice because the
grand jury subpoena that was served was served by the
prosecutor's office, and in discussing with the prosecutor's office the
grand jury subpoena and other information that I requested, they
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said that I would They advised that I would need
to obtain independent council because that represented a conflict of
interest for the prosecutor, and.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You're relying upon the advice not of the prosecutor Countie Pillage,
but on this independent attorney to proceed how to proceed?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Is that correct as far as the press conference was concerned.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yes, okay. At this point, has there been a second
autopsy requested by the Cochrane Law firm.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, Actually I was aware. I was made aware about
a week ago or a week and a half ago
that that had already been.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Performed, okay, And that's why the body was released for
burial on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, the body was released for burial when we were done,
So we don't we don't hold the body back if
we're done with what we need to do. We want
the family to have the option to as always with
any case, as soon as we're done doing what we
need to do for our portion of investigation, we release
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the body to the family so that they can say
goodbye to their loved ones and take the appropriate measures
to to make that happen. So we do that as
quickly as we can for anybody. And what happens to
the body once they received the body at the funeral
home is up to the family, and if the family chose,
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along with their attorney to have a second autopsy done
at that time, that's that's their choice to make.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
As far as this other bullet, I think there was
a third gun shot, and that slug was found inside
the body. Can you tell the American people the course
of that third gun shot that was located beneath the
base of the skull? Explain that place?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So that was that travel just beneath the skin, and
the entrance wound was the right poster a lateral and
I you know, right poster a lateral portion of the
chest and adjacent to the right shoulder, So it was
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in that region and it literally traveled right between the
right I'm sorry, right beneath the skin, and it stayed
was just beneath the skin. It didn't impact any bones
at all.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Uh. Can you say which of the gunshots were fired first?
Because when I hear the left side like a woman's
brawl strap kind of several inches below the armpits. Then
I hear about this other bullet that hit the right side,
that indicates to me the body was turning in some sense?
Am I right about that?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I couldn't tell you what position I mean, I can
tell you that the that the lethal wound was from
the left side, so and like literally the side, not
you know people say was a kind of a little
bit to the fan, a little bit to the back.
Note it was directly at the side of the body.
So that I can tell you as far as which
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one was first and which one was second or third,
I I couldn't tell you. I mean, I don't know
which one. And I don't know if somebody can take
a look at that body camera bodycam footage and tell
you either, because there, I mean it is and pretty
fast and it's really blurry, and I don't know about you,
but I get a little motion sick, and I mean
even seeing enough as that was like, oh boy, I
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can't watch. So, you know, I think an expert that
can go frame by frame and maybe isolate some of
the sound and can do that maybe able to tell.
But we can't tell which one was first or second.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So someone would take a laser beam from the end
of the police officer's weapon and have a straight laser
beam into the body of Ryan Hinton. The entry room
that killed him was directly in the side, neither front
nor back, below the armpit and the left side of
the chest, and the other wound was in the right
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side of the chest. The boy came to beneath the
base of the skull and stopped there. That wasn't the
kill When I hear about base of the skull, I'm
thinking that's like a kill shot, but you're saying it is.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
No, no, no, no. It didn't even enter the skull.
It was. It was completely just beneath the skin, and
it was below the skull. I was just trying to
give a position of where the bullet ended up, because
we did retrieve.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That bullet, okay, But as far as the kill shot,
it was directly in the side. What you would indicate
that when Ryan Hinton was shot, the officer was to
the side and not to the front of the back.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That's the way the bullet traveled. It was directly to
the side.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Where does your investigation go from hare, Are you completely
done at this point?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
No, we actually have a couple more lab tests that
were waiting on just to be complete. And when everything
is put together, everything we finalized, the death certificate will
be final, death certificate will be signed and that'll be
the end of that. So you know, as far as
what percentage of the investigation do we have left? Probably
(11:45):
less than ninety percent. Most of it's already been done.
But we're always complete on looking for as I said
in the press conference, as a service to Hamilton County
residence and to the family of the victims, we're pretty
thorough and looking at all the other parts of the
body to see if maybe there's some sort of genetic
(12:06):
disease or something that we need to inform them about,
or if there were other medical issues that that person had.
We try and be complete to give them all the information.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Did you find any illegal drugs in Ryan Hinton's body?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, that's still toxicology and that's still even though some
of it's come back, not all of it's comeback.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Is the part that's comeback indicating he had illegal drugs
in his body.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You know, I don't want to talk about it right now, Willie,
because we still have other things pending, and I don't
want to keep going back and forth on the information.
Let's just wait until we get everything, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Can you discuss that all the gun itself? Was it
in the right hand of Ryan Hinton? Do you know
from any of your work whether the gun was in
the right hand at the time he was shot.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
We don't have any of that information. We you know,
as far as if you're looking for a gun chat
resident and whatnot. As I explained in the press conference,
just the fact that he was shot could cause him
to have gunshot residue on a skin surface, So that
wouldn't be a definitive indicator of whether he had a
gun in his hand or not. And if you know,
(13:17):
and I think you know this already, I mean, the
presence of gunshot residue doesn't necessarily indicate whether even somebody
pulled the trigger, right, I mean that there's a certain
distribution if if a shooter pulls the trigger. But just
the fact that there may be gunshot residue anywhere on
the body or clothing doesn't necessarily mean that they pulled it.
They could just be near somebody that was shooting, or
(13:40):
you know, within a closer vicinity so that it sprays
out on them. And you know, and if you're a
victim that's been shot, of course there's going to be
gunshot residue. So it's not a good indicator.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Did you find any nitrade or gunshot resnue on the
body of Ryan Hinton.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That's another thing I would have to ask for our
FONTS guys about or trace evidence guys, because I haven't
looked into that. I was simply presenting autopsy findings.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Now, how many feet was Ryan Hinton when he was
hit by the kill shot from the origination of the shot?
Was it five feet? Ten feet twenty?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Would not be able to tell you. That would be
something that I wouldn't be able to tell you. And
if the pathologists can can say that, nobody asked him
that question that I'm aware of, because I wasn't given
that information.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So as far as the right hand of Ryan Hinton,
there was no indication that Ryan Hinton had far at
any weapon. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I don't know that. I don't know what the GSR
GSR results were on that, Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And when will you have the toxicology report complete? About?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, hopefully we'll have most of the stuff complete by
this week, would.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Say within seven within seven days?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, I would think so. Yeah, And I still
have to I'll still have to check with our Trace
sevenance section as far as if we did any GSR
collection and what that shows.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That's its gunshot RESIDU is GSR correct. Yeah, yeah, we
doctor Simarco, thank you. I have I not asked you
a question I should have.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That's your job, Willy, a great job. But you know what,
I do want to say something, you know, because I
think you and I have discussed this before. I think
the events of the last few days really make it
apparent why it's so important for corners to be independently
elected in the great state of Ohio. I mean, it's
(15:35):
exactly these kinds of situations where you want your corner
to be independently elected and empowered to be able to
speak to the people and give them provide the factual
information to the people.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
This is relatable. It's about a month ago the House
of Representatives and Columbus passed a bill that eliminated the
county corners offices put them under the auspices of county commissioner.
And everyone I've spoken to about that said, don't do it.
And this is a perfect example as why not to
do it. You don't represent the prosecutor, you don't represent
county commissioners, you represent an independent body elected by the
(16:12):
people directly. Is that the point you're.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Making, That's exactly the point I'm making. And that's why
I asked everybody to Senator Bill Bluffing has authored an
amendment to remove that language and keep the corners elected
in the state of Ohio, and he's putting that in
front of the Senate for their vote, and I encourage
everybody to get in touch with their state senators to
(16:36):
please find on that or to support his amendment.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
All right, doctor Somarco, thank you. And you waited to
have it. You got independent lawyer advice and to proceed,
and you're proceeding, I guess over the objection of the
county prosecutor. Is that fair to.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Say, well, I'm proceeding after I've been given advice that
I can proceed. And I think it's important for our
public to have the information from our office, directly from
our office.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You don't work for nobody but the American people.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I work for the people of Hamilton County.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Doctor lastmis Marco, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
WILLI all right, let's continue. Wow, so we'll see what happens.
I'm holding these statements of Cincinnati police saying that this
was justified shooting, which I certainly believe is the case,
but it appears not to be the case that the
officer shot Ryan Hinton directly in front of him in
(17:36):
the chest, starting him to the back. It appears likely
at this point that Ryan Hinton did not have in
his right hand the so called nine millimeter. The picture
has shown it appeared he did not have it. But
let's see what develops later. It's still, to my way,
a justified shooting. And in fact, the county prosecutor, County
Pillage said on Friday with me on the air, that
(17:59):
she has seen nothing to indicate that it was a
bad shooting. And she has seen all the videotape available.
There's only one, by the way, only the officer doing
the shooting bodycam. It's the only one available. And Connie
Pillage said on Friday she's seen nothing to indicate that
a crime was committed by the police. And I assume
(18:19):
she's sticking with that because she has seen the videotape.
Now she is the autopsy results which seemed to indicate
that Ryan Hinton was shot from the side and not
the front or the back. From the side. Let's continue.
Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW
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