6-18-25 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie talks with Sarah Heringer about the death of her husband, and what she would like to see the city do moving forward. Also Connie Pillich joins Willie to discuss her decision not to charge the officers involved in the death of Ryan Hinton. Finally Dean Regas talks about colonizing other planets.

Episode Transcript

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later of courses Reds Baseball. The Twinkies are in town,
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business special. Also in about one hour, County Pillach will
be here, the Hemny County Prosecutor. But joining us now
is is Sarah Herringer and she's the widow of Patrick
who was murdered on her about June the fourth. And Sarah,

(00:49):
first of all, how you doing.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I am. I'm highly functional on hanging in there.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
And you have your your bunny with you.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I've got my therapy dog Ted and he's sleeping right
now at my feet. So let's go back in time.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
When did you meet Patrick?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
I met Patrick when I first saw him on the streets.
I met him in Colorado Springs, which is where I'm
initially from. And he was stationed in the military there,
and it was about twenty eleven and I saw him,
and I pointed out to a friend and I said,
I'm going to marry that man.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Wait a minute, yes, and you were you were how old?
About twenty twenty five?

Speaker 4 (01:25):
I was about twenty five yep.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
And you saw Patrick and said, yeah, that's it, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
What was it about him?

Speaker 6 (01:33):
He?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
I mean, anyone who knew him would say, he just
has this force that draws you in. He's very stands
out in a crowd, has a presence about him. And
I just saw him and it was truly love at
first sight. And I know that's really cheesy, but it's
one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Sometimes it happens.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, as far as his military service, what can you
tell me about Pat's sacrifice for the nation?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, he's two Bronze Star award also combat I had.
You know, he didn't really talk a whole lot about
all of the accolades and awards that he had because
he knew that other people's sacrifice was greater than his.
He was deployed twice. He came home alive, many of

(02:18):
his friends did not. And in the past week, you know,
going through this process, I had reached out to one
of his buddies, and was like, just, you know, out
of curiosity, what has he been awarded with? And he
sent me about ten different things that he had and
was very successful. He was an army captain and really

(02:40):
loved serving and when it was time to move on,
he wanted to be a business owner and serve a
community and just take it from government into private.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
What took you from Colorado Springs to Cincinnati?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
He's a Cincinnati boy and I did not know this,
but if you're from here, you come back and you
bring someone with you. That's how people are, like Colorado,
why are you here? And honestly, I have family from
the Midwest. They're more so Dayton, Ohio. I had never
been to Cincinnati, though, and when I first started dating him,

(03:13):
we came back and I was like, Cincinnati's got some
things going on. I like that. And when he separated
from the military, we took a brief stint in New
York City. He was a consultant for Ernst and Young.
I was doing a global events coordination for Goldman Sachs.
I was a project manager back in the day with

(03:35):
our corporate world, and he really it wasn't fulfilling and
he wanted to open a business. He wanted to open
a gym because health and fitness, mental health, physical health
was very is very important to us, and he knew
that it was going to be an investment in the

(03:56):
community and he wanted to do that back at home,
and so we moved here in the end of twenty
fourteen and in twenty fifteen we opened up which is
now Findly Movement and we've had that business for the
last ten years, just changing lives and giving people a
place where they can come every single day and whatever
it is for them work on their health, to have

(04:18):
a safe space.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Did OTR except you and Patrick?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah? Absolutely. I mean the community support has been huge
and we've really we've enjoyed our time being there up
until till as of late.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
And you knew the neighbors, they knew you, ye place
to go. You had three or four hundred clients come there.
And I don't do a lot of it. Maybe I
should work out, I play golf, but nonetheless, a lot
of people to Patrick go to gyms and work out.
And yes, so the goal was to operate a business
in the community, be part of the community. Yes, to
be a positive force for good and let's face it,
a part that needs some help. OTR has got a

(04:54):
bad repe You may not recall about in the year
two thousand and two thousand and one, it looked like Beirut.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, I set the city on fire, right right.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, I walked up Vine Street with Charlie Lucan several times.
It looked like bea route storefronts by building for a dollar.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
And that community changed because people like you and Patrick.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Absolutely, it was very important to us that we lived
and worked in the community that we wanted to serve.
We didn't want to be driving in from someplace else.
We wanted to really have powerful impact and change in
the area that we were in.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
At that night, the prosecutors asked you not to talk
particularly about the circumstances, true, because there may be a
testimony by you in court and you don't want different
versions of the same set of facts. I'm sure you
have locked in your mind what happened, but many school
things might be remembered differently. But did you know Mordecai Black,

(05:47):
have any interaction ever see him on the street before,
any connection with him whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
No, not at all, and to my understanding, not Patrick either.
He was very friendly with everyone, was never you know,
suspicious or didn't. Was very much so lived in the community.
We knew people on the street corners, We talked to them,
knew their names, interacted with them. And that is a

(06:14):
question that I have been asked, and I nothing out
of the blue, no connection whatsoever with this man.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
When the event took place. Of course, us on there
the next day, and there was reports that a white
woman I assume you was put in handcuffs by the police, Yes,
And what impact did that have?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Well, I when I look back now, and you know,
I do think context is everything, and if the system
was set up differently, yes, I think victims should probably
be taken to a psych word in that situation, and
that's really probably what should have happened to me. I do, though,
appreciate the policing that happened because Patrick is the victim.

(06:57):
And when they entered the scene more Kai Black had
already fled. There was no one there but my sister
and I, and they immediately were working for Patrick and
advocating for him, and in my state of shock, was
not very easy to get along with. I had seen
too many movies and thought I would be riding with

(07:18):
him in the ambulance and that was not the case.
And so in hindsight, you know, no, I obviously it's
part of that where I wish that had never happened.
And I don't hold anything against them though, because I
know that what they were doing was making sure that
from the very beginning that they were taking this seriously

(07:39):
and doing their job and doing what they needed to do.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
So do you that this was a real horror movie
and it was happening to you?

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Absolutely? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
How long were you in handcuffs.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
For a while? And you know, again they they did
their due diligence with questioning and I was released later
that afternoon.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Uh, and so you were locked up several hours?

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Why?

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Uh, I don't exactly know. You know, I'm not I'm
not on the inside in that. And I but again
likely because I was the number one suspect in a
lot of these situations, you can it's not uncommon to
have spouse or next of kin be the person who
has done something like this. And uh, I also, you know,

(08:33):
refused to speak to them until my lawyer arrived, and
that that took a little bit.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And you told me off there. Of course, you can't
talk about the particulars, but you did you did want
to say that Patrick uh died defending you.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yes, yes, I was attacked myself and he he protected me,
and that's that's how he he died. And one of
the things that really stands out from that night, I
mean many many details, but the last words that he

(09:05):
kept saying was stay fighting, stay fighting. The man had
Mordecai Black had left, and all the way to the
very last moment, he made sure that I was protected
and I.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Was safe and Patrick died.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Have you come to grips with that yet?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
I don't think so. It's there are very strange moments
in the day where nothing, it doesn't feel real again,
highly functioning and able to do a lot, I feel
that overnight, you know, my entire world has shattered and
split and have entirely different priorities and focuses that I

(09:50):
had before that. I am taking care of myself doing
everything that you know again me. I'm also a full
list to health practitioner and health and life coach and
anything that I advice that I would give anyone in
this situation on grief and trauma and self regulation and

(10:12):
how to move through that or all of the steps
that I'm taking, but no, it's moment by moment and
day by day because I can't think of six months,
a year, et cetera down the road without him. That's
far too overwhelming for me right now.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
And Sarah, you know, Patrick would want you to continue.
He would want you to live your life, yes, and
to love and to enjoy your friends and family. He'd
want you to continue the.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Business, absolutely, and he made sure of that, you know.
And that's you know, when I look through all of
this and there's so many you can kill yourself with
asking why why this? Why us? Why now? Why him?
And I don't have those answers, but I know that
he may sure that I was still here.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Some have said this is a Kyle Plush moment. That
was the boy at Seven Hills. It was upside down
in the backseat of a van and he was calling
nine to one one and kind of blew off a
little bit, and then the system changed. What is your
mission now with the sitting with the state.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
My mission now is to get Cincinnati to a place
where their residents are safe, because they're not. And that
is that is an illusion that I was living under.
And of course when the veil's very thin, and when
it doesn't affect you, it's pretty easy to fall for
optics or to take things at face value, or you know,

(11:41):
even I just felt so safe with him because of
the type of man of who my husband is. Just
a very physical specimen. He's very intimidating looking. He's trained
in hand to hand combat obviously, you know, army military veteran,
and knowing what I know now, and that is something

(12:01):
that I absolutely cannot stay silent about. The city needs
to be cleaned up. There's been ten murders in the
last fourteen days, and how is anyone safe? How is
that acceptable? And there is also an underserved population and

(12:21):
demographic who doesn't have the resources, who doesn't have the community,
who doesn't have the support. My community is full of
highly highly skilled individuals that their help is what I
will need in order to affect change. I can't do
this alone, and there are so many people who don't
have access to that, and so I do feel very

(12:43):
strongly this is our community, this is who we wanted
to serve. Patrick is a protector and that is what
I'm on a mission to do. You're leaving, No, I'm
not leaving I'm staying.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
You met with the mayor, you met with the prosecutor.
Let's talk first about the mayor. Now, I have a
social posting you made about the mayor. Have to have
pure of aal. What did you say to him and
what did he say to you?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Very sorry, but I don't think condolences do enough in
this kind of situation. Anyone else can be sorry, people
who knew him, people who loved him, people who love us.
That's an acceptable response, but from the leadership who's been
elected to protect us and keep us safe, grief and
the after effect is not okay. And he did not know,

(13:31):
for instance, that the state was not in communication with
local law enforcement, and that's your job to know those things.
So that's, you know, negligence as far as I'm concerned.
You don't get to have an escape when it comes
to that, or an excuse or an out. And you know,
he did offer support, saying that he would do anything

(13:51):
to change legislation, and I hope that that is something
that we can count on him for, because again, he
is in a politician in a place of that kind
of leadership, and I am not and I will need resources. However,
the actions that he takes moving forward. That is what

(14:11):
we need to see. Results are going to be the
thing that speaks right now, not words, and there needs
to be you know, short of a reckoning, but really
quite that when it comes to cleaning up the streets
of Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
So Mordecai Black was led out after about ten years.
I think your lawyer Todd McMurtry who's here, said that
Mordecai Black was locked up like nineteen in the last
twenty years, correct, So this was an extremely dangerous person. Yes,
and the adult parle authority had ordered him wear an
ankle monitor. He cut it off in February and of
course nobody knew locally that was going there's no communication

(14:48):
between the APA No Pearl Authority and local police none.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Well, the parole authority said, we put a warrant in
the system, the system, so if he had pulled it up,
then you would have seen that. And then we find
out that on May fifteenth he is the suspect. He's
identified as the person who does a break in and
attempted robbery and these people knew who he was, to

(15:13):
my understanding, and again no alarm was sounded, nothing was
could have then pulled it up and looked. So the
system is broken, and it's failing on multiple levels. I
don't think you can just point to one thing, but
there has to be a total reform from start to
finish on how these type of things are communicated, who's notified,

(15:33):
and what actions are taken in order to apprehend someone
like him.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
The system was noticed in May cut off, something's going
to go. System was notified burglary. That's the guy who
did it. They took a report. Police took a report
and said, okay, yep, that's the guy. No one at
that point said, is that the guy who cut off
his bracelet? No connection was made there. So this is
a guy that's a career criminal who's going to kill somebody. Yeah,

(15:59):
maybe he has already. Other than Patrick, We're not sure.
I wouldn't be surprised. And the whole system said, well,
we're not going to bother with it until something like
this happens. Correct and so and then you also had
comments about your meeting with the prosecutor Connie Pilich. He's
going to be here in about forty five minutes, and
how did that go.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
They they're very supportive. They you know, they want to
see justice done, and the team that is on this
is exceptional. I do have concerns about the kind of
message they're signaling with sentencing. Though this man expects life
in prison. He's been he's spent his life in prison,
and every single time he's gotten out, he has immediately

(16:40):
gone and done something more and more aggressive. He's always
escalated every time he's been released. And for one, you're
not sending a message to violent criminals when you feed them,
house them, give them a TV, a peer support group,
a gym for the rest of their life. When they
expect that that's their life, that's all they know. There

(17:03):
has to be an accountability and something that is far
more severe in order to start deterring these people. And
so many people who you know, they yes, we want
to see communities rehabilitated. However, most of us can't even
imagine thinking the way these kind of people think, and
so it sounds like a vengeance move or something that's

(17:25):
highly aggressive or or coming from a place of my
anger and grief. But really what it is is it's
sending a message to people who think, like Mordecai Black,
you probably shouldn't be doing that because there's going to
be a true consequence for if you do and when
you do.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
In this case, the prosecutors not seeking the death penalty.
In another case, with Rodney Hinton, who's purposely killed Larry Henderson,
the police officer, she is seeking the death penalty. Have
you communicated with her your displeasure with that idea? Yes,
is the reaction.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
I there hasn't really been much of a statement. One
of the things that we have heard from the office,
not necessarily Connie herself, is that when you seek the
death penalty, there are a lot of processes of appeals
and it could be a you know, an average and
this is again something I learned when you're looking at
a murder trial, those can take on average two years,

(18:25):
maybe even more. In the thought of well through the
appeal process, it could take fifteen years or so. And
for me it's like, well, nothing is going to bring
Patrick's life back, nothing is going to fix that, nothing
is going to rectify that. However, if he is in
this process knowing at the end of it because he
will be found guilty, I do know that the prosecutors

(18:48):
are exceptional. Who is on this case at least deaders
is incredible and it's worth that to me in order
to have the kind of change, because we can't fix anything.
The only thing that we can do moving forward is
how do we change how do we make sure this
doesn't happen to someone else.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
As far as the so called politics of the small
p you had a posting about the mayor showing up
at a particular kind of a rally, but not on
behalf of many of the victims. Every time I hear
something from a politician, it's like crimes down, crimes down,
Pat myself on the back. Life is good. That's not
the case.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
No, And I, a independent data analyst, has looked over
all of the public information and was the one who
sent those graphs out and crime is up, it is
not down. And so when you have and that's the
thing that I even said, like anyone who's taken a
statistics class, so you always know, you beat the numbers

(19:45):
to death till you get the story that you want.
That's what they're good at doing, and that needs to
be exposed. People need to know what kind of people
are currently in office and what they're willing to do,
and they're willing to risk your life in order to
have optics.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, there was video of Black walking around before the
murder with a knife in his hands, up and down OTR.
I would assume looking for a victim, and you just
your family just happened to be in his way. I mean,
to have one police officer on duty at three o'clock
in the morning between the Ohio River and North Otr.
It's kind of ridiculous, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
It's absolutely ridiculous. And you know the chief of police
said when we met with her, Terry and Aftab at
the same time, the mayor at the same time. She
said she went off of data, and that's what they
pride themselves on. Data shows that it's enough. And I
would have to say, why don't you look at just
the blood bath that's happened in your city in the

(20:43):
last two weeks, and you tell me that your data
tells you that this city is safe enough. Criminals do
not fear the current police force that are out on
the streets. They're there's no deterrent whatsoever. And that is
not more brutally obvious to anyone other than me. Right now,
I would say.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Can you hang around for a couple of minutes?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Absolutely?

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In the studio with me. Now is the widow of
Patrick Herringer, which is Sarah. I never thought you'd ever
hear the word widow, would you?

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Now?

Speaker 4 (22:39):
It's a title I'm still getting used to.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
How does it hit you?

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Ah hard? I would rather it be wife.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
As far as the future, we talked a little bit
off the air and your lawyers here about what they
can do, and that's uncertain in the future. But as
far as the police, I have a note here TECH
sent to me from an officer who said, how many
officers are on duty? How many on that day? The
answer is, I think one or less. And at one

(23:07):
point is your goal to have one thing happening in
the city. Now is that they're offering these opportunities for
suburban cops anywhere in Ohio who come to Cincinnati, and
it won't take a year, year and a half. It's
going to take six months. They also have another class
going through that may take a year, year and a half.
Could that be a positive situation to have a lot
more police a lot more absolutely?

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, the lateral class of having officers come in who
are just relocating to Cincinnati, you do. You need a
much stronger police presence. And I think in addition to that,
they should be proactively going out and who has current
arrest warrants that are out there, that are just out
on the streets. That's another thing that they could also

(23:50):
be proactively doing. But yeah, I would love to see
more police presence. And that's another entire group of people
to consider as well. How is it safe for them?
How right? And if you are that officer, how confident
do you feel in apprehending or going out and looking
for suspects or even patrolling when you know that you're

(24:16):
minutes away from backup in anyone coming to your aid
as well, they're at risk.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Veterans have told me in the ten twenty years ago,
they had a Lineup's okay, if not much going on,
take a handful of Warrens. We're looking for these six guys.
If you have extra time, go find these guys that
doesn't happen anymore. In fact, there's speed bumps on Madison Road.
You used to have law enforcement with speed. Now they
don't do that. They want a passive stand down, don't

(24:43):
cause problems police as opposed to being active to go
unfind people. And perfect example is Mordecai Black. You should
have been located and there was no no one looking
for him, even after you're identified in a burglary a
few weeks before as the definite person, nobody went to
see them. Is that police problem or is that a
politician problem?

Speaker 4 (25:02):
I think that's a politician problem. I think you know,
the police, they need to feel supported in order to
do their jobs. And I met with the police union
last week and they don't feel that. They are afraid
of being used for a pawn in political gain. And
optics is even down to having armored vehicles because they

(25:23):
think that the citizens of Cincinnati are too fragile to
handle a quote unquote militant optics when it comes from police.
But the best kind of policing is proactive. If you
can have a presence and you are out there serving
the community, which is that's what they are, they're public servants,
then you have people who are second guessing what kind

(25:45):
of actions do I take? You're not really what is
it to have someone if you're really good at cleaning
up messes? You know, if we can prevent those things
with more of a presence, I think that is the
benefit will serve Cincinnati and the citizens of it nicely.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
That is the sense now in Cincinnati. And we talked
to cops Kenkover, Dan Hill's men and the men and
women in blue. They're going to tell you, look, we're
not going to put ourselves at risk because we're not
going to be backed up. We're going to be sued.
Qualified immunity may be taken away soon by the state
of Ohio, which means if you're a cop, unless you
intentionally commit an act. How many negligent act acts to
it does a cop commit? I'd say all the time.

(26:25):
Cops make mistakes. So if you're sued constantly for a
negligent act, that means you're not going to be proactive.
And they need one hundred and fifty more cops and
need it now and need a mentality that we're going
to be We're going to be aggressive to the few
number of people committing disproportion crimes in this city.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Exactly, and that I think that is it. You know,
they have ninety police retiring every year. When you have
a class a full class at sixty. They haven't had that,
and so we do need a stronger police presence and
force for sure.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
All right, Todd mc mcmurtryes here. So the attorney, well,
what are you looking at in the future because it's
very early, it's only been about twelve days since this occurred.
But as an attorney, a great note to what are
you who you're looking at in a civil sense of anyone? Well, Bill,
as you.

Speaker 8 (27:13):
Know, suing a city of Cincinnati or suing the Department
of Corrections for their mistakes, which are you know, many
is a challenge. We've been focused, you know, here in
the early stages and working with the least leaders and
Chris Slips and the Prosecutor's office to get them everything
that they need. So now I'll turn my attention to
what the civil liability might be. But you know, we're

(27:34):
going to turn over the stones and find out what
we can to look for any parties that are responsible
for this. Because I knew Patrick, I've known Sarah, my wife,
and I are good friends.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
With him.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
He was a wonderful person and he really deserves all
the justice he can get, be it civil or criminal.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
That's down the road. You don't know. That'll take anywhere
from three to five years from this point.

Speaker 8 (27:55):
Well, I think it's going to take me, you know,
a couple of months to do the research and get
all the data together to see if there is any
avenue for civil liability.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
You know, can they be soon? You know?

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Is it a court of claims case? Is it a
case that's brought in the common pleas? You know, those
are the things I've got to kind of piece through.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I'm sure you're committed to all your cases, but this
one to you a special it is.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
I mean, it's very personal that they're friends of ours.
You know, I played golf with Patrick. The guy could
drive a ball three hundred yards. It was insane.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
It was a flat belly. Yeah, flat belly's gonna hit
the ball. Yeah. He was a bad fellow there with
a golf stick.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
So yeah, personal friends, and we've my wife and Iron
invested in this whole thing very personally.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Well, you in court this morning, Sarah, when Mordecai black
Spawn was increased by Judge Winkler.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Absolutely, and I wasn't the only one there. I had
about fifty to sixty of our community members were also
there this standing room, only they were not all of
us fit inside of the courtroom. And that really when
we are looking at moving forward and what it's going
to to take, having that community from Finley Movement, but

(29:04):
also just the city itself showing up and supporting in
this cause because it's for them.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
You know, you know what the politicians are after, which
is kind of you to go away?

Speaker 9 (29:15):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Absolutely, quiet down, Yes, know your role, shut your mouth. Yes,
we're going to run for reelection. Happy days, you're here again.
Look at all the good stuff we've done. How would
you respond to that?

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, I have nothing to lose anymore. The worst thing
that I could ever imagine for my life has already happened.
And one of those things is a very odd sensation
on the backside of it is I'm not afraid anymore,
and they can't take anything from me, and I don't
want anything other than justice and for whatever kind of

(29:52):
reform that needs to happen to make sure this doesn't
happen again.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Are you satisfied with the one action take and the
adult Pearl authority is now going to notify the last
known address. Of course, many of these individuals locked up
for ten years, they don't have a home address. I
don't know what to do, but in this case, certainly
after the burglary, there should have been red sirens going off.
This is the guy that cut it off, cut off
his bracelet. He's been out nineteen years of his life

(30:17):
has been in prison. Hey doesn't care, and he's walking
around OTR with a butcher knife. We're going to go
find this guy. And what do the cops tell you,
Like Ken Kober when you say, why weren't you looking
for him?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
It truly is. They are not bodies that communicate. And
so the first thing is being able to get the
state level, the parole board speaking with local authorities. To me,
that is a huge I mean, the citizens of Cincinnati
are exposed by that law first and foremost. That needs
to be taken care of. When someone who's a violent

(30:52):
ultra violent criminal has gone a wall, local law enforcement
needs to know about that. They need to be notified.
Others then there if you happen to find the slip
of paper in the system, then you're notified. They need
to be directly contacted and also have the resources to
go and apprehend someone like.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
That, and they don't have. The cops will tell you
they do not feel they have backup, whether it's city
hall or fellow men and women in blue, they don't
have backup, correct And they told you that, right, Yes,
Why don't they have backup? Why? What's the reason?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Well, anymore, policing is not the honorable career that it
used to be, and they are not even supported by
the community they serve as much anymore. And you know
you that is where you slip into some political sides.
I think a little bit more, but I don't think

(31:45):
public safety should ever be a come down to a
Democrat Republican. We need police and any type of problem
that you have when it discusses, you know, safe policing,
it's better to be talking about those problems then obviously
the issues that a community is going to have without police,

(32:08):
And so the cops need to be the police need
to be supported, they need to have funds, they need
to have bodies, they need to have people in leadership
within the police themselves who are also not controlled by politicians,
who are supporting the people. And of course you want
to take every type of action they have. You want

(32:29):
to make sure that they are doing it well. But
that happens most of the time. They're not really in
a place though. To my understanding, what I have been
told is that they do not feel supported to take
proactive measures. And that's also something that really needs to change.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
And I think the decision by Connie Pilate not to
indict that police officer was a positive. And there was
two seconds that transpired from the time the officer said
he's got a gun, gun, gun, until the officer had
to decide to shoot and not shoot. He had a gun,
he did have a gun. It takes split second to
go this way. And if that had gone the other way.
If you listen to the finand Wruckers or the civil

(33:07):
attorneys of this world saying you want to grand jury
indict the police, what would that do to law enforcement?
If comps are indicted in that case? Exactly, They're going
to say it more. I'm not doing this anymore. I'm done, right.
They're people and their husbands and mothers and fathers.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
They want to go home, yes, yes, and they again
they need to be safe. These are real humans and
they they're people, yes, their keep people, yes, and they've
signed up to service and they put their life on
the line because they are the ones who are there
to uh be able to apprehend criminals and people who
want to who live to enact violence on the community.

(33:44):
And those are things that you know, you and I
don't have that mindset. We don't have that. We can't
get into the mind of Mordecai Black or people like that.
But those people do exist and that is the reality.
So to pretend like it's not and to also be
have a current judicial system that is leaning more towards

(34:05):
the criminals and taking and empathizing more with them versus
the people who they are elected by to protect is
something that needs to be revealed and exposed.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
A shot spotter says there's about twenty thousand shots fired
in the city of Cincinnati this year. Imagine twenty thousand
bullets flying around the city.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, they've got to go somewhere, they got to go.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
And they only hit about five hundred people, which is amazing,
But that's a problem. There's twenty thousand shots fired and
we're talking about seven or eight zip codes, not talking
of Salor Park out to Mount Washington. We're talking about
the city corps is twenty thousand shots fired. Those who
lived there understand.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
That, yes, absolutely, that was even something a concern that
we had had. We had noticed an uptick in shots
and had even had a couple of incidences where the
police were called for like a breaking and entering or
not not a home but a robbery of someone who

(35:04):
is working on our house in their car. And so
it's you know, the people who live down there again,
their voices are not being heard. They're also fed up.
They don't want to live in that They want to
be able to live in a safe community. They are
business owners, They're people who are dedicated to the city
of Cincinnati, and the leadership of this city needs to
do right by them, and they need to do better.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I'm sure Sarah, her husband looking from down to you,
would be very proud of you right now. He'd be Patrick,
It would be so proud.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Channeling him every step of the way.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I thank you for coming in. Coming up in about
ten or fifteen minutes is Connie Pillach, and I will
ask her about My first question will be relative to
the death penalty in one case and not the other,
plus other matters. But Sarah, congratulations on the life you're
now leading.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Good luck to you, Thank you, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
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Speaker 3 (36:38):
By Billy Cunningham. The great American joining us now is
Connie Pelich, the Helmby County Prosecutor and Connie Pellach. Welcome
again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And before we talk
about Hinton, which you know is another big story. In
my interview with Sarah, we talked. She talked about how
one murder case is treated differently than the other, how
her husband's murder Patrick was treated differently than than the

(37:02):
murder of a police officer. Can you articulate as to
why your office calls the death penalty to be issued
in one case and not the other.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
Well, thanks so much for having me again, Bill, I
really appreciate you including me and letting me talk about
the stuff that's going on in our office. I think
I put all the information about the reason for the
death penalty and the deputy who was slain case, and
there's of course very specific provisions of law that allow

(37:38):
for that. But for the for miss henting, Miss Henninger's
call a case of her husband, I just got to
left that play out in the courts, all.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Right, as far as as far as that is it
a policy decision or This is something I've read some
common during social media that many times the system values
the life of a police officer as we should above
the life of may I use the term civilian, And
when a police officer is murdered, you're murdering not just
a person but the representative of us and that's a

(38:15):
very serious matter. Did that play into it that some
social media might say, you know, she'll go after a
cop killer more than she'll go after just a murder.
Is that part of it?

Speaker 6 (38:27):
No, No, there's no policy like that. These are done
by a case by case basis and also in accordance
with the law and what the law allows or requires
me to do.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Okay, let's move on to the Hinting matter. You had
an extensive news conference yesterday and as far as Rodney
Hinton Junior and of course his murder, and then also
you had the non indictment of the police officer who
killed Ryan Hinton. What were the two or three key
facts in your mind, Connie Pillage is about why you

(38:56):
did not indict the police officer. Can you tell the
American people three good reasons you decided not to do it?

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Absolutely? And you know, and of course it was a
very extensive press conference yesterday. But look, we looked at,
first of all, what the law requires, and the United
States Supreme Courts gives us very specific guidance that have
been refined over the last bunch of decades how we

(39:26):
make these decisions. And one of the big things was
that we have to review this evidence in the eyes
of what one would call a reasonable officer at the scene,
in his shoes, through his eyes, and with the knowledge
that would have been known at the time. The second
thing is when we looked through the body camped footage,

(39:54):
we saw the scene, we saw the things that transpired.
We heard one the officers alert everybody there that there
was a gun. And the third thing were the statements
of the witnesses. The Cincinnati Police interviewed the witnesses that
were there, and they interviewed some of the passengers of

(40:17):
the vehicle. They were also witnesses too. So those are
three things combined that led me to make that decision.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Connie Pellach, prosecutor, you made the statement yesterday that the
officer officer A, and it's going to be said his
name's going to be revealed soon by civil lawsuits by
Fanon Rucker, But nonetheless I'll call him officer A perceived
the gun was pointed at him when he fired the shots.
The video, I think is unclear one way or another.

(40:46):
I've watched it probably ten times. You probably have watched
it one hundred times. Do you clearly see the gun
of Ryan Hinton pointed out the police officer.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Well, that's the thing we have to look at is
what the law requires me to study, and that is
that we have to put our review into the position
of a reasonable officer at the scene and standing in
the officer's shoes, running around the side of that dumpster

(41:20):
which is five feet wide, and seeing the young man
running at him. The officer stated that he saw the
weapon and he had about a half a second to
make a decision. He was he believed it was the
officer a believed the gun was in Rodney Hinton's hand

(41:43):
and that it was pointing at him in what we
call a bladed stance, and that was certainly he was
put on the alert by one of the other officers
who yelled, hey, this guy's got a gun. He's got
a gun. And we also had that corroborated by one
of the witnesses in the vehicle. And so when you
have these kinds of events within literally four seconds, you

(42:09):
can look at a body worn camera that has a
wide angle lens and therefore distorts the spatial details of
the scene. But you also have to understand there's more
than body worn camera. There's there's what the officer believes
he saw what the other officer yelled about there being

(42:32):
a gun. When these all things have to be taken
in total. You can't just look at one simple thing,
and that's what the Supreme Court tells us. You cannot
look at one item. You've got to look at all
the circumstances.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
And in the officer's mind, he believed, having heard he's
got a gun. Gun, gun, gun, and he did not
pull out his service weapon until after a fellow officer
said he had a gun. Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Oh, yes, that's correct, and we have we have video
evidence of that.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
As far as the actual shots themselves, I had on
Michael Wright, who's with the Cochrane Law firm. He's a lawyer,
along with an On Rucker. Each of them have said
that some young man, a teenager, should not be shot
for stealing a car. And I'm thinking, well, that's a
nice argument in a closing statement, but that's not factually accurate.

(43:23):
But how would you respond to some who say, like
an On Rucker and Michael Wright, that this particular of
Ryan Hinton was killed because he was stealing a car?
Is that factually accurate?

Speaker 6 (43:36):
Well, that's no, it's not. But the whole situation's tragic. Bill.
You know that some kid going down this path and
getting having a gun and it's all as the police
chief said, when you mess around with stolen guns, a
tragedy happens, and that's what happened here.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
How relevant were the photos? I thought the photos you
displayed yesterday were just It doesn't mean he's guilty or
not guilty, but to have at that point, I think
he was seventeen years old. He turned eighteen a few
days before he was killed, that he had in possession
the actual gun found at the scene. Isn't that a
rather important fact that we knew he had possession of
the gun, He had possession of the gun a few

(44:16):
days before, and the same gun was found at the scene.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
Well, we did include that in the press conference, just
to show that this was his gun, because that's what
we found at the scene.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
One other question has arisen from the other side, and
that is the day after the shooting, Chief of Police
Teresa Thiji, held a news conference and said that in
this case, the officer shot mister Hinton Ryan Hinton in
the chest and the bullet came out the back as

(44:52):
if they were facing each other. Number One did you
hear what she said at the news conference? And number
two is that factually inaccurate.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
I wasn't at the news conference, but I am aware
of the coroner's report that showed the bullet entered in
the side of the left side of his chest and
exited the front of the chest. That's right, that's what
we have. Those are the facts we rely on in
this review.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Have you discussed this to the chief of Police state
you to say, hey, wait a minute, twenty four hours
after this event kind of quiet things down, do we
know what the facts are? Have you said that to her?

Speaker 6 (45:30):
No? No, But I do think she's bound by the
collaborative agreement to have some sort of press conference within
around twenty four hours of any critical incident like that.
And I mean the chief is, as far as I
can tell, is trying to do the best you can.
And I can't tell her what to say, not her lawyer.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah. As far as the other three individuals involved in
this action, who as Jarell Austin and Anthony Bullocks and
sincere Gregsby, did you give consideration to the activities that
they engaged in, and that by that, I mean, did
they kind of identify the gun as being used by
Ryan Hinton in the car. Did they say that was

(46:13):
Ryan Hinton's gun or is that someone else's gun?

Speaker 6 (46:17):
I can't tell you what witness said that, but somebody
did see did describe Ryan's gun to us.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
As far as the grand jury presentation, as you know
that you don't have to present the case to the
grand jury. In fact, you can not present it. There's
one prosecutor locally in Butler County, Mike Moser, who does
present every police shooting to a grand jury. Other prosecutors
in Claremont, Warren, and I know in Boone, Kenton, and

(46:46):
Campbell they do not present the case. Well, what is
the fact that determines whether or not County Pillage will
present or not present a police shooting to the grand
jury in Hamley County.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
Well after after our review, if I can't make a
determined determination, then I will have to present it to
grand jury. But in the four police involved shootings that
we've had since I became prosecutor on January sixth, I
was able to determine. I felt comfortable that I was

(47:20):
doing the right thing in accordance with the laws, and
was able to make a decision.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
You're not required by law to give it to the
grand jury. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 6 (47:31):
That's fair to say.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
There was also an interview conducted in which Fannon Rucker
said that, among other things, we don't know the officer's
background who killed Ryan Hinton. We know his jacket with
a citizens complain authority with internal investigations is not empty,
so he's kind of besmirching the character of officer. A.
Did you take into account the history of the police

(47:53):
officer when you decided not to cause his indictment.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
No, I didn't think any of that was reround events.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
As far as uh further investigation is this Uh, the
matter is taken six weeks to get to get to
this point. As far as you're concern, is this matter
concluded relative to these officers? No other charges will be
fought against any officers involved in this shooting of Ryan Hinton?
Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
All right? Uh? Well, thank you.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
And one thing that's gonna happen is I think sometimes
the federal authorities may get involved in some of these
police shootings. It's quite unlikely in this case for all
kinds of reasons. But so far you've had four police shootings,
which is quite unusual and in your first five months
in office. Uh, that's part of this part of the deal.
Is there any connection? I watched the news conference. One

(48:47):
of the reporters asked, you, are these four events somehow
connected one to the other, which I thought was kind
of a stupid question, by the way, because they're completely unconnected.
But Uh, if the message is sent by some that
this prosecute is gonna lean on the side of police
when it comes to police shootings, I think that's incorrect.
Every case stands on his own completely. I mean, every

(49:09):
every factual situation is completely different. But for those who say,
our new new prosecutors got four of these, everyone's been absolved,
nuns percented to the grand jury, what's your response to that?

Speaker 6 (49:21):
Well, look, I take these cases extremely seriously. Of the
four officer involved shootings we've had, I personally responded to
three of them and was able to look at the
scene myself, And they're all different. They were caused by
different people and under different circumstances, and I think my

(49:43):
job is to look at what happened, apply the law,
as the State of Ohio and the United States and
the Supreme Court telled me to do, and that's what happened.
I can't tell you what will happen the next time
we have a critical incident like that, because I don't
know the fact of that yet.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
No, every case is determined by facts, application of the law,
and none of the cases are connected to each other.
In fact, they're completely unconnected. Did you consult with other
prosecutors in the region about whether to proceed to indictment
or not? Or was this strictly your decision? Did you
talk with with any of the other prosecutors in the county?

(50:24):
Are well?

Speaker 6 (50:25):
I am. I am a member of the Ohio Prosecuting
Attorneys Association, and all the members these are all the
elected prosecutors in the state. I've served on four committees,
so I have definitely been getting to know my colleagues
across the state and learn the things that they've gone through.
But what was most important to me here was my

(50:46):
senior leadership team, who worked very closely. They worked really
hard to put that put that presentation together. I when
you saw all these photos, well those were one one
hundredth of a second stops still shots of the video.
It worked very hard to put that together for me
so I could explain everything, and so we could make
a determination here. I based my decision on the scrutiny

(51:10):
they gave and their recommendation to me, then my own
review of what they presented to me.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And a prosecutor, as you know, must only present cases
of the grand jury if they believe a crime has
been committed and they can get a conviction a trial.
And I assume the fact you did not convene a
grand jury to present the case, any case that based
upon six weeks of hundreds of hours of work, split
second videos down to pictures, forensic evidence. I think the

(51:36):
County Corner has given you all the toxicology or whatever
that By the way, did the toxicology show anything that
Ryan hitting anything in his body or not?

Speaker 6 (51:48):
You know, Bill, I don't remember, but it wouldn't make
a difference in this case.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
It could have been high as a kite. It's not
relevant to him being shot. All right, Well, thank you,
Connie Pillage. Once again, see what happens on the next
Well I've had you on each time he's been a
police shooting. I kind of hope there's no more police shootings.
I kind of hope they're in but you never know.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
Thank you. Thank you so much for getting with me.
I appreciate you happing me on.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Connie Pillage, thank you very much. Thank you. All right,
let's continue with more. There's the perspective of County Pillage,
and I want to support her decision in this case
one thousand percent because I understand there's money to be
made by some lawyers who are acting as if they're
aggrieved and they're going to go to the city of
Cincinnati to seek money. And I'm referring specifically to Fanon

(52:35):
Rucker and Michael Wright of the Cochran Law firm, and
who knows what the city's going to do down the road.
If in this case the city pays money, it's a
slap in the face of the police force because in
this case, if this is not a justified shooting, then
there can be none in Hambleton County. And I want
to compliment Connie Pillage in this case and the other
three for making the right decisions. So let's continue with more.

(52:58):
And whether they can get money out of the city,
that's likely. I'm willing to bet you hot fut Sunday
right now than the next one to three years they
pay the estate of Ryan Hitting some money. That's what
the city tends to do. But in this case it
was completely a justified police shooting. Let's continue with more
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And what time exactly, Sarah, sir.

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Would you strike it? Would you please inform her so
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I may do it, I may not do it. I mean,
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Speaker 12 (54:35):
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Speaker 3 (54:41):
Well, segdi on the podcast page. My interview with Sarah
Hurlinger is there for you to watch and listen to.
And it's heart rendering to listen to a widow. Never
thought a woman, a young attractive woman like that would
be called a widow? Correct, because of the failure of
the system for Mordecai Black And she said it, Well,
the cops in this town, in fact, the cops almost
everywhere except Butler County, in Boone County and Warren County

(55:03):
are incentivized not to be police. They don't want them
to be proactive police, pulling up warrants and they're arresting people.
They don't want that. I don't know how the citizens
of Cincinnati, gonn elect the same council every two years,
anticipating a different result. It's unbelievable, Andy Mack, please continue.
Who's on council? I don't know. I know Mayor Parabal,

(55:25):
Scottie Johnson. That's about the only one I know. He
makes sense now and then. But the other I had
no idea. The other other ones got like hyphens in
their name. I have no idea. Where's the mayor? Can't
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Is that seven hundred? Trod had some fun in life
segment Life is serious? TJ. Friedo's two out two run
double Willie in the six rally? Does Red legs over
the Twins? Last night? All six of Red's runs came
with two outs. You thought they were gonna lose, Austin
thought they were gonna lose. Reds are that one three
in a row last and nine of their last twelve

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and climbed to one and a half out of a
wild card playoff. Berth say that again, segment one and
a half out of a wild card playoff Berth in
the last ten games. Who's got the best record in baseball?
The Cincinnata Reds. What's the only team in baseball not
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WLW has covered six to ten Sports Talk Arnell Carry
since I pitched, and then Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Inning Show
after the game. Now, what about Graham Ashcraft's growing We
got an update on everybody is groin Uh, Graham Ashcraft
is on the I l with a right groin string.
I may have a groin string. How do you do that?
Maybe it's like catching? Maybe you know Hunter Green had

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one and then Graham assavirus. Maybe it is. You know,
my mother's maiden name was Graham, so are we am
I related to Graham Ashcraft? Might be Mike Groin feels
great to go on ancestry dot com. You know, a
loose groin is a happy groin. The Reds lost Alfieader
Jacob heard of east A, Seattle on a waiver claim

(57:40):
Austin Hayes and his foot is getting better over the
last few days at bone bruise off a foul ball
and a left foot contusion on May the thirtieth, so
a ball hit his foot. He's been out from now
for two and a half three weeks. Noel V Marte,
Ted McKay, what's wrong with him? He's getting an MMR

(58:00):
on his left oblique injury today. It happened on May
the seventh. It's just now working on his oblique. If clear,
he will head to Arizona for rehab on Friday. It'll
probably be the batter for a Hunter Green out there
as And also before we go any further, Willy, I
can't believe you forgot this. I wonder if he's he

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has bugs attracted to him, so those old are his buddies.
Those are his true friends. NHL. Sam Reinhardt four goals
last night, the half brother of of uh of Scott
Scott Reinhart. Florida downs Edmonton five to one. The Panthers
are back to back Stanley Cup champs. Got a couple

(58:47):
of Canadians. I want to benji each right now. It
becomes a second player in NHL history with four goals
to clinch a Cup. The first person to do it.

Speaker 7 (58:58):
Babe Die, Babe, Die, Babe Die.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
The Toronto Saint Patrick's in nineteen twenty two. You related
to Babe Secarious. Maybe so Pete Die, the guy that
Pte died, Babe Golf. A Florida team now has won
the four of the last six Stanley Cups. Two in
Tampa Bay, two in Florida. That's not possible. A Canadian
team has not won a Cup in thirty four years.

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You think they know how to play hockey. We've taken
their national pastime and made it America's game. So you're
saying a National Hockey League Canadian franchise thirty four years
has not won the Stanley Cup. That's impossible. I will
I guess. Nineteen ninety one, wait a minute, I'm sorry.
Corey Perry, player for the Edmonton Oilers, has lost five

(59:46):
straight Stanley Cup Finals. He's participated in how many different teams?
Then Dallas and twenty twenty lost, Montreal and twenty twenty
one lost, Tampa Bay in twenty twenty two lost, and
Edmonton last year and this ye lost lost. Ya. Don't
take him if he wants to go to your team,
don't take him. Let's see. Also Game six tomorrow night

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at Indianapolis of the NBA Finals, is it over Thunder
up there? Three games to two. It's a must win
for the pacer Men, otherwise they're going to go home
with the Edmonton Oilers. And Rose Lavelle coming back coming
back to playing her hometown will he the mounta Notre
Dame grad will be in uniform when they play three
friendlies this summer, including the end of the month June

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twenty ninth against Ireland and t QL Stadium. She's been
out about six months with an ankle injury that required surgery,
got to pitch for the Red and she is she
is going to return to the Queen City with the
United States women's national team and my wife, Ryan Mountain
Notre Dame High School while she was there and taught
her how to play soccer. Oh there you go, right there.

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Penny also taught mel Thomas how to play basketball at
Mountain Notre Dame. How about that. Wow, there's a great
player right there, mel Thomas did she did you? She
beat you? That was some other woman. That was Stacy Land.
That's right. Stacy Land beat me. That's right. Women beat me,
but men do not. Just ask Byron Larkin and Bobby

(01:01:16):
Brandon ask him all they all got at Moehler at halftime.
You went, You went to their house halftime and just
annihilated him. If you have time, segment, can you put
in your search engine. Bill Cunningham free throws and you're
in there a little bit retrieving the ball from below
the net. It was nothing but string music because they

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used to say on the nine, Bill Cunningham free throws.
Check it out. I'm wearing my old Deer Park jersey too.
Came out of the crowd, put it on and said, gentlemen,
let's go, and you left triumphantly tendant to take that
Crusaders and Byron Lark and Bobby Brannon had no chance.
No all right. Segment baseball tonight. We think, of course
there's no rain anywhere. But what I don't know what

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I have to rain tonight sometime? I don't know. Then
tomorrow is a business special. Correct on June teenth? Juneteenth,
I'm taking off you taking off? No, I will not
be here. What about Tom Brenahan. I'm gonna celebrate June
tim be here at Kenwo Country Club playing golf. Does
that make sense. I'll be celebrating, that's all right. Scott Rodgers,
he's got to celebrate sometime. I'm Steve Tino, Scottie Rodgers.

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I'm gonna go play golf. That the coach, that's him. Well,
I taught Scotti Rodgers how to shoot at Indian Hill,
where he played in high school. I taught him how
to coach a mountain. Notre Dame. You mean JJ Dieters
isn't going to be on your team this time. I
talked to his brother, the Buzzard about this. Yeah, and
he refuses to play JJ spawn deaters and me anymore.

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He said, my brother never plays like that. Birding number
eighteen O Clovernook for all the marbles, where's JJ spawn Beaters? Now?
It's on the bench. Somewhere. Oh, they in session. Yes,
he's in session on Tuesday and Wednesday. He's got life.
They got a rough schedule up there at the Supreme Court. Huh, Well,
they work hard behind the scenes. You know that. Well,

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that's true. You know that, that's true. You're right. I'm sorry,
So we'll see what happens. I'm down here with an indictment.
The Reds are the best team in baseball over the
last eleven games. But you've been winning. And the Yankees,
who are coming here next week, they've been shut out
three straight games, and that's a crisis. They can't PLoP.
Big Apple, can't play. No, maybe they'll keep that streak

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going in. The Reds will smoke them when they come
here starting Monday. The more players get hurt, the more
the Reds win. Correct, Hunter Green's growing, Graham Ashcraft growing.
Somebody's toe. That's Austin Hayes. His toe hurts, Austin Elmore, Hayes.
What about Marte? What's wrong with him? Martes had a
left left oblique injury since May seventh. Of course, Tyler

(01:03:48):
Stevenson comes has come back. Who else, Well, Rett Lauder's
nowhere to be found. That's going to be a long time,
and McLean's starting to hit the ball, and McLean's starting
to hit, So it just takes a little time of time. Right,
I'm a good show. I think the Reds are a
game and a half out of a wild card, right, correct, dude,
do you think you'd be saying that, say that they

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all star breaking about a month? Well, if that's the case,
then they better buy than sell. I'm gonna go to
Naples next week for a week, and it's gonna be
cooler in Naples than here, really, so I want to
go where the life time that happened Never it's like
eighty eight degrees in Naples ninety four. Were going down
there for cool for meetings, of course, meetings. Can't say

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who you're gonna meet a man. I got David. You're
gonna go to David Beckham. He's gonna come over from Miami,
David Beckham. Then you're gonna have Beckham. You're gonna go
to some guy's place that starts with a dam, don't
you correct? Can't say yeah, I can't say right, but
I'm saying we're gonna have little meetings about Iran and everything.
The media doesn't report on this is Hannity going to

(01:04:50):
be down there can't say. But the countryes around Iran
that are majority Muslim, you're gonna be with him? Want
America to do this? Well, the Muslim country stand with
Israel against Iran? Is that well reported? Was that the
first time was the last time that happened. They've been
hating on each other for what since time began since

(01:05:12):
they built the pyramids in Egypt? Before that Tuesday that
I saw the movie The Ten Commandments right with Ben
hur I know we had him in the studio years ago.
Remember Charlie was here. Yeah, I said, where's the staff?
He said, is in his bedroom home in the closet.
I said, I like to get that. So I don't know,
you're not going to get that. Like the Godfather came here,
the soul Brother number one, James Brown, and you're not

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going to get the cape? I feel good? Where's the cape?
But Bootsie Collins has the casks. He's the man. You
think he's got the cape? Yes, I think boots he
can do whatever boots he wants to do. Get him
on in McCall see what he's doing. I'm afraid to
call anybody anymore. But Uh, let's do this. Yeah, we

(01:05:58):
have coming up next Dean Reguez, who claims that right
now you are moving eight hundred and six miles an
hour right now? Can you sense that? You think you're
moving that fast? That's faster than an indy carg Yeah,
four times faster. Do you sense you're moving eight hundred
miles an hour? They did that at the Indianapolis five hundred.

(01:06:18):
It would be over within five minutes. And if you
lut lets and if you stop that, you would go
that way in a hurry. So don't jump off, because
if you jump off and the Earth is moving at
sixty six thousand miles an hour around the Sun, as
you're moving eight hundred and six miles an hour, and
the galaxy is moving one hundred thousand miles an hour

(01:06:40):
toward O'Ryan, are you interested in any of this? Do
you believe you're moving eight hundred and six miles an
hour right now? I feel the cool breeze already. Don't
put your head out the window. Their jaws will be
flapping around your ears, jaws will be ripped off. I'll
be in trouble. Say give me out of the stage.
Report once again. Go to the podcast page and hear

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Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Bill Cunningham, the great American of course, Dean Rigas is
an astrologist, astronomy expert of great note. He knows all
about the stars and the heavens and things of that.
Character of this stuff is fascinating. Astronomy is one of
my sidelines also with geomorphology dominating much of what I
think about at night is geomorphology, the interaction of water

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plus earth conditions. And he Dean Regas is an expert
when it comes to astronomy and things like that. And
Dean Regas, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And
I saw somewhere you're writing a book on O'Brian. Where
is O'rian. Why should I care about Orion?

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Oh man? Orian is my favorite constellation and one of
those that's one of the most easily recognizable constellations in
the sky. So I wrote a book about it called
All About Orian. It is a kid's book, but kind
of sneaky for adults too, So there's lots of stuff
that all ages can learn about. And this book's a
little bit different because it's actually a tactile book, meaning

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that has upraised bumps on it, so you can actually
feel the outlines of the constellations. And I did this
in the conjunction with a local place here called Clovernook
Center for the Blind and visually Impaired. They do a
lot of braille books, and this is one of their
first books that they made and produced specifically for that audience.
It's a really cool book.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Explain what Orian is because is it in the Milky Way?
Are we moving toward O Rhyan or against Ryan? Is
are there earth like planets? What is is it a constellation?
What is Orion?

Speaker 6 (01:10:09):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
So ran out there in the sky. He recognized him
for the three stars that aro for his belt. This
time of year, you kind of see him in the
morning sky, not in the evening sky in the winter time,
that's where he really shines the most. And so it's
just this conglomeration of stars that are you know, imaginations
can maybe kind of see the outline of a guy
wearing a snazzy belt, but they're all the stars that

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you see in him are in the Milky Way galaxy,
and they're all at different distances from us, different brightnesses.
So all those belt stars, they just look like they're
lined up, but they're really different distances. But I think
for me, you know, there's a few really amazing stars,
and you got to start with Beetlejuice. That's the star
that's marking Orion's left shoulder, So that one's really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
As far as going to Orian, will that ever happened?
I know Elon Musk is now out of the White
House and he wants maybe to go to Mars, and
I think you told me before you might want to
go with him to Mars. He says, make Mars great again?
But nonetheless, can we ever visit Oryan? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
I mean Ryan is so far away. These stars are
incredible distances. So if we're talking like Mars, so if
we want to go to Mars at its closest point
to the Earth is about thirty five million miles away.
Travel time is about seven months or so to get
from Earth to Mars. And that's under the best conditions.
Going to a star like Beetlejuice, it's so far away,

(01:11:33):
astronomer is going to only estimate its distance at about
six hundred and forty late years. And if we wanted
to go there, boy, it would take you a long time.
But right now about travel time to go one light
year is about ten to fifteen thousand years to go
one light year, So getting six hundred and forty of those, yeah,

(01:11:54):
good luck with that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
So if I took spacecraft the fastest one we got
right now, and said take me to Oriyon, and I
took off at the speed of light, which is how fast.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
Speed of light one hundred and eighty six thousand miles
per second per.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Second, So that's moving. That's like going around the middle
of the Earth about seven or eight times in a second.
So that's moving. If I'm moving at got read to speed.
I have lots of gas, I have battery power, I
got everything, I got the batteries, I got it all,
and I'm going one hundred and eighty six thousand miles
a second, and that's moving. How many years it would
take me to get there?

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Yeah, each each star is a little bit different distance.
So you pass the Moon and about a sitting and
a quarter, so you get past the Moon pretty fast.
You get to Mars in ten minutes or so, and
then after that, let's see Pluto, maybe about four hours.
You get the Fluto in four hours. So that's all
very reasonable amount of time still moving. But then if

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you want to go to let's say, you know, Beetle
Juice will take you six hundred and forty years. Some
of the Belt stars are Ryan, it would take you
over a thousand years just to get there, even at
that speed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
So if I if I live for a thousand more
years and I'm going one hundred eighty six thousand miles
a second, I can get there and six hundred and
forty years.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Yeah, no problem, Right, that's you know you're you're gonna
live for a long time. You know you could do that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Let me ask you the question, Uh, why are you
studying this if it's unlikely anybody's ever gonna step foot
on Oryan unless I'm really moving, I can't imagine going
around the center of the Earth about eight times in
a second. Now that's moving and I've got to move
with that speed for six hundred and forty years. What

(01:13:42):
is this interesting? Regez Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
For me, it's the there is that thing about the
vastness of the universe. It really attracts me. There's something
about that that that that not only we can see
these things that are so far away, these stars that
are incredible distances away that they're shining in our night sky,
there's also the history to it that people been looking
at these same stars and marveling at them and what

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they are, and for kind of the first time in
human history, we actually understand what it is we're seeing
up there. So, you know, when we think of our
ancestors looking up and seeing a big guy wearing a
snazzy belt of oriyon uh, now we know what those
stars are and what they're like. So it sends my imagination.
I know, I can never go out and visit them

(01:14:29):
and circle around them. But that's that's why I kind
of like writing these books about this, because it takes
my imagination.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
There are there earth like planets anywhere on Harian that
I could visit on vacation. Is there an earth like
facility there?

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
You know, that's an interesting question because they've done a
lot of you know, astronomers have been looking for these
exoplanets planets that are circling around other stars, and most
of the surveys are in another part of the sky.
They don't really involve Oryan very much. And I don't
know whether that is if it's part of the angles
of things like that. But all the big stars we

(01:15:04):
know of around Ryan, I haven't heard of any of
them have exoplanets. But what we're finding is that about
one in five stars in the Milky Way have at
least one planet around them. So that's a more than
five stars. Of all the stars, and we're talking maybe
three hundred billion stars in our galaxy, one in five
of those have planets, so that's sixty billion planets right there.

(01:15:28):
That's a lot of choices for planets.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
So if I have some free time, about six hundred
and forty years to get there and come back, so
we're talking almost about one thousand, three hundred years. If
I can travel one thousand, three hundred years at a
one hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second going
there and coming back, I'd be back in time for
what the Middle Ages? I don't know. If I come

(01:15:54):
back to Earth, what if nobody's here, Well, what if
everyone's died a thousand, one thousand years third tier, I'd
be alone.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Oh, now we're getting into some deep stuff. But you know,
if you're going to travel six hundred forty years to
get somewhere, I think I'd probably hang out there for
a while. But let's say you go and you turn around,
you come back. H This is where you get into
some weird time dilation because when you're moving that fast,
time for you slows down, while time for everybody else's
goes more normal. So if you wanted to, oh, this

(01:16:27):
is going to be deep, Bill, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
This is this is tough.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
If you go actually go faster than the speed of light.
So if you could go faster than one hundred eighty
six thousand miles per second, you would actually go out
and come back to the past. So you would you
would travel backwards in time because you're going faster than
time too, and so yeah, you could come back. If
you could go double the speed of light, then you'd

(01:16:51):
come back. Yeah, six hundred years in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Oh, that would be cool. So you're saying it'd be
like thirteen or fourteen hundred, I'd be in the Middle Ages.
And you know, I'm not sure I could live in
the Middle Ages. I saw this special in the History Channel.
I'm not sure any of us could make it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Lastly, Oh, no, you would be you would be like king.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
You would like information, you'd rule them all.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Bill. They think I was crazy. They think I was nuts,
because most people do. Anyway. Anyway, let's assume I'm sitting
here in Kenwood. My body is in a studio with
Tony Bender. As I sit here in this studio, how
fast am I moving right now? And I don't know it?

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
Oh, you you're moving in a lot of different ways
and a lot of different speeds. So as the earth
rotates once every day there in Kenwood, there, you're traveling
about eight hundred and four miles an hour, as you're saying,
once a day, and you face the sun it's daytime.
Face away from the sun it's nighttime. So you make
that spin every day, and then you're going around the

(01:17:50):
Sun at about sixty six thousand miles an hour. So
that's you're moving that way to make that big spin
around the big circle around the Sun, and then the
Sun and all the planets are going around the Milky
Way at hundreds of thousand miles an hour, so you
got a lot of motions going on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
I don't feel it. So I'm moving right now eight
hundred and four miles an hour in Kenwood. But the
Earth of which I'm apart is going sixty six thousand
miles an hour around the Sun. But our yep, but
our galaxy is moving one hundred thousand miles an hour.
I can't figure this out. Am I moving or not?

Speaker 6 (01:18:27):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
I don't feel like I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
Moving, I know, And even Tony's moving too, which you
can't believe that. I mean, you know, everybody's moving in
this kind of thing, and that's what's kind of It's
all relative too, so you know, even when you're sitting still,
you're doing something.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
I can't believe. I'm going eight hundred miles an hour.
That's like three or four times faster than Indianapolis five hundred.
But you're certain that everyone listening now is moving eight
hundred and four miles an hour right now.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
If they're in the if they're in the Cincinnati area,
that's about what they are. If you're up north for
towards the North Pole, you're not moving. You have a
smaller circle that you're spinning every day, and then the
equator is where you're spinning the fastest. So you're going
a little over one thousand miles an hour on the equator. So,
uh yeah, it all depends on your latitude. That's what

(01:19:15):
the influence is that it's basically like you're a You're
in a giant car driving down the smoothest highway ever,
and you can't feel it because everything's going with you
at that same speed.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
No one believes they're going eight hundred miles an hour. Tony,
do you think you're going? He said, I'm not moving
at all. Yeah, I mean, no one believes.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
That might be the exception. It's possible, Tony is the exception.
He does create his own like kind of black hole there,
I think, So it's possible he's outside of time and space.
But for the rest of us, we're moving.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
So if I'm not moving eight hundred and four miles
an hour, I'm gonna hit the wall in a hurry.
If I stop and jump like going an elevator that's
falling from from the ninetieth floor and I'm going down.
Some people think just before you hit bottom, if you
jump up, you'll be hey. So if I'm not moving
eight hundred and four miles an hour, I'm gonna go
in a hurry hard left. Correct.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
You got it. That's some of the doomsday scenarios that
you hear. Some of the wilder ones are you know,
back in twenty twelve where people are thinking the end
of the world was gonna happen, and you know, one
of the theories was the Earth would flip over or
stop spinning and all that kind of stuff. And if
that did happen, So if something stopped the Earth from spinning,

(01:20:28):
we would all start flying one direction. Boy, let me
think about this. Your stuff spin, we'd fly out to
the left. I guess yeah, it would be uh, it
would be pretty bad. Everything would just just totally keep
going in that direction. But that would the amount of
force and energy to be able to do that. The

(01:20:48):
Earth's rotational force is tremendous, and so even if we
were struck by a large object, that is still something
that's not not really going to affect it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
And in the universe to arms, the Earth is like
a little blue marble, not even close to the size
of like Jupiter, not even or Saturn. We're just a
small little marble in space. I'm waiting for you close.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
That's the other thing. People do ask you that if
it makes me depressed, you know how small things are,
Like our sun up in the sky is you know,
over a million times larger than the Earth altogether, and
the Earth's a pretty darn big place. But it does
put things in perspective. I don't get depressed about it.
I just am like, this is incredible that we're able
to observe this and document this and note this, and

(01:21:35):
so that's that gets me excited thinking about everything that's
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
All right, Dean, you're telling me I'm going eight hundred
and four miles an hour the sun, the Earth's moving
sixty six thousand miles an hour, Our galaxy is moving
one hundred thousand miles an hour. And Dean Reguez, I
know it's objectively provable, but no one believes it. Now, well,
what is your book coming? No one believes what we're saying.
I don't think. I don't think people believe it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Oh, I hope I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Anyway, when's your book coming out of Ryan? When can
Tony Bender get it? He wants the book?

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
Yeah, all about Oryan. It is available now. You can
go get it at clovernookprint dot org or on my
website Astrodean dot com. It's a great book. It's for
folks that they do a large print version and a
tactile version and then they have an all Braille version
also good. So it's good for people that have visual

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impairments and people can see and read together. It's a
great book.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Astro Dean dot com. All the information, Dean Regus. No
one believes what you're saying. But once again, thank you
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show and Dino. Keep
doing what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
Hey, I'm trying to make sure you all are keep
looking up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Keep your feet on the ground and reach for the stars.
Thank you, Dean. Bill Cunningham. Do you think you're going
eight hundred and four miles an hour right now? That's
I agree with you. No, Bill Cunningham News right now. WW.
I know it's a small item, but the US Supreme
Courts deal has delivered a crushing blow to transgender rights

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in a sixth to three decision, the Supreme Court ruled
that parents and states can determine whether or not children
deserve protection from irreversible medical experiments masquerading as healthcare. Twenty
five states protect children, many do not. In the opinion
relates the idea that in Europe, which is twenty years

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ahead of us, that most European countries have stopped doing
this because there's no discernible long term benefit of changing
your gender, and so we'll see what happens down the road.
But twenty five states have had the courage to stand
up and tell the transgender lobby na ba banah, putting
kids welfare first, who might need psychiatric or psychological help

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because they identify different than what they are. I would
hope as a human being, the segment does not show
up at some doctor's office identifying as a blind man
requesting the doctor to take out his eyeballs. He identifies
as blind, therefore take out my eyes. I hope we'll
get to that position. God made two genders, male and female,

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and that's it. We'll see what happens. Supreme Court is ruled,
so let it be written, So let it be done.
Bill Cunningham, with you every day. You're home of the
Reds News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
I got you started in this business.

Speaker 7 (01:24:33):
I can take you where I WILLI.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Hello by it and I'm I'm broadcasting Rock. Many things happening.
We have a report out of a people dot com
that Jordan Hudson opens up about Miss Maine USA loss
if she's sixty minutes too, yes, and how she leaned
on Bill Belichick for support when she was beaten for.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
It's nothing about the past, nothing about the futures.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Right now we're pars cincinnat Rock. Your reactions, she's moving on.

Speaker 7 (01:25:10):
Do you have about six weeks for him to step
down or get fired or quit for you and me?
Hot Fodge Sunday September one? Is that game that's the
first to you? Yes, they played in Chapel Hill. Correct, Yes,
Marty's all upset about this. He thought they had Bill
Belichick to coach for the future. Now you're betting that
he will not coach one game. No, you were betting

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he won't coach one game. That was me See how
he does that course, just the Jedi mind trick over.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
On Tuesday yesterday, Hudson posted at lengthy emotional Instagram post
paying tribute to Melissa Spanini, who won the competition over her.
In fact, spen Spannini allowed her Jordan, to have the
crown on her head and took a picture this should

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be yours. Now she's leaning upon Bill Belichick for emotional support.
I bet she lost the crown.

Speaker 7 (01:26:04):
She's seen if Bill can pull some strings with Badgine officials.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
Yes, she was wrong. I thought she was third in
that Well, there was two women in front of her,
but she went right to the top. Allegedly there was
Belichick's influence caused her not to win.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
Didn't a biological mail finish ahead of her? Right behind her?

Speaker 8 (01:26:23):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
I dare you to say that because the US Supreme
Court chess ruled that transgender rights are done six to three?
How about that? It's good, that's good. But I dare
you to say that you can't say that. Okay, But
Jordan Hudson throws shade at Bill Belichick's ex girlfriend Linda Holliday.
They were together as a little cat fight going on.

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What do you think? Put him in a ring?

Speaker 7 (01:26:49):
Just quieted down? Just you know what, honey, Just when
your support behind closed door.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Get preparation and let's keep the greater going. Mind you,
he's got to get he's got to get the car.
Heels ready to go here. He can't be messing around
with this. Secondly, Austin made me a bet about two
and a half weeks ago the Reds will not win
six games in June. Oops, who's got the best record
in baseball the last ten games? Who's the only team
in baseball not to lose an entire series to any teams?

(01:27:19):
You never doubted him, never, no doubt one time? Yeah,
now what how many games are that? Out of first place?
Out of the wildcard game and a half? Your reaction wrong?
I never doubt him one time. Never never doubted La
da Cruz, Yes, you did.

Speaker 7 (01:27:33):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Marty says he belongs in centerfield. What do you say?
I've said that from him beginning. He's got the most
errors this league, in the National League from the shortstop position.
I know, as of three weeks ago, he did number
forty four. Last here who had the most errors him?
Eric Davis, number forty four. No, Eric Davis had zero ERA.
I'm not puting Eric Davis a shortstop with his stride

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in his arm, he belongs in centerfield, right, and just mentally.

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
It's just it's a little easier mentally to go run
around the shag balls in the center field than it
is the complicated aspects of.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Problem with Scott Borass. That's the problem because.

Speaker 7 (01:28:09):
He thinks he get paid more if he's a short stop.
I don't think you don't think you do it all.
But he wants nothing matters, and it's all about how
do you hit. I don't care what position you play.
Do you hit the ball out of the ballpark. That's
when the kids love. Dela Cruz. Correct, you get a
bobblehead tonight, it'll be packed on it. I got one
of those bobble heads. I gave it to the middle

(01:28:31):
rock whose birthday was what Ronday? He was all fired up?

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (01:28:36):
By the way, I tell you what his birthday present was.
He got a gecko. He wanted a gecko like a
real lizard type guy, by the way, and he named
it Jamar Chase. Pretty good, Jamar Chase boyman. When the
gecko gets out, one of the dogs eats him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Panic. Kelly won't be able to deal with it.

Speaker 7 (01:28:56):
She wanted to go to the pet store today and
get fifty crickets like a bag of fifty crickets and
I had to like take these things out and they
are jumping all over hell, and you know she's losing
her mind. I had to get him in the tank.
But the is what's going on at the Boyman householder,
don't get a bowl of constrictor go get rabbits. No,
see that's a good thing. Unlike the bow was that
start off is you know, one foot two foot snakes

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and eventually get to like ten I think a gecko
stays about you know, about three four inches. When he
gets out, there'll be complete chaos. We already had the turtles.
Remember the turtle got out twice.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Now what do you do? Is he dead? Yet?

Speaker 7 (01:29:31):
He luckily he was slow. That gecko is not slow.
I think bing bing bing bing all over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Turtles don't move that. No, no, feed up a little bit.
Is a turtle still there?

Speaker 7 (01:29:40):
No, we found him and we have you know, he
was kept in the house about a week. No, we
let him go back out in the wild. It was
just a tempting.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
You're a smart guy. You're from San x right. Sure.
I just had on Dino Regus, who says, as you
sit there, you are traveling at eight hundred and four
miles an hour right now? Cents that No, not at all.
And he also says.

Speaker 7 (01:30:02):
You're out of space. You're sharing like eighteen thousand miles
per hour.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
He says the Earth is moving around the Sun at
sixty six thousand miles an hour. Do you sense that? No?
And our galaxy is moving toward Oryon at one hundred
and ten thousand miles an hour. Do you believe that?
Where's Oryon? What is that in the sky? That's a
stupid question. Have you seen Oryon movies? They got movies
that I know Oryon makes movies, but I know somewhere

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but just you right now? And is that another galaxy? Yes,
and that's moving away from us. He's talking about the
constellation Oryon's belt. You know that. And this sun, our
sun is one million times larger than the Earth, and
our sun is one million times smaller than other suns.

(01:30:49):
Can can you fashion? You can't wrap your head around
that so much? What are the where are the other suns?
There's a billion billion suns last time we had Dinon.

Speaker 7 (01:31:00):
Obviously, you know, to travel far distances to Earth like planets,
you need to approach the speed of sound. Even then
it's going to take thousands of years. So the key
he said was find a way to go faster, excuse me, than.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
The speed of light.

Speaker 7 (01:31:16):
And eight or six that we can't come closer to
the speed of light, but we need to go faster
if we ever want to get to like an earth flake.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
How do you go one hundred that's going around the
center of the earth about eight times in a second.
That's moving in it, it's moving, And to get to
Orion will take six hundred and fifty years. Six hundred
and fifty years to get there. Then you got to
come back. That'll take six hundred thirteen. You pull off
for gas on your way there. Yeah, is it electric?

(01:31:43):
Is it an electric spaceship? You could do that kind
of deal with the sun shining on it with batteries.
But that's moving. That's that's I don't believe. Do you
believe any of this?

Speaker 6 (01:31:52):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Please continue, I don't believe it. Believe the stooge reporters
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According to Yahoo Finance, here in is Rock, Bill Belichick's

(01:32:15):
twenty four year old girlfriend now is in control of
eight million dollars in rental property Empire of Bill Belichick.
She's now like weeks old news, but she's spying.

Speaker 7 (01:32:26):
She's selling stuff. She's renting. She's gonna rent those things out,
but she's selling it. If she rented all three of
them out, I think they said that the income she
could earn is eleven thousand something a month.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
One is five nine hundred dollars a month. But she's
getting ten percent of the cut. Why don't you go
down there and rent one of them places and then
have her on the show. You're gonna have her on
July first, I mean September. You're doing that game interview,
doing the game? Aren't you takes Sarah a lease with
you to do it?

Speaker 7 (01:33:01):
I'd be something, Yeah, say what does she tell you?
Was she whispering your ear?

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
Nothing? That's one right there? Her birthday yesterday? Correct, That's
what I'm told. He was eighty four years old or something.
He segments. If you had to choose between Sarah Elise
and wild Man Walker, this your choice. I would send
my get in a rocket and go to Orion and
see you guys in six hundred years. Resin twins tonight

(01:33:30):
seven hundred WW has covered six to ten sports talk,
rnel Carriers, Inside Pitch and then Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Inning
Show after the game. The Reds have won three in
a row, neither their last eleven. As I've said, a
game and a half out of the playoffs game and
a half. How about the wild game that was last night?
I lost? Didn't you think they were gonna lose anyway?
I know? Hit him for four inches, right right?

Speaker 7 (01:33:51):
I mean, but then abit he gives up a ground
ball should have been the third out, and Cronossion airmails
it and then all of a sudden they get what
four runs out of it, and then the ball goes
off of Friel's gloves, it goes over the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Then they came back and won it. Unbelievable. And everybody's hurt.
Everybody's hurt on the team. Who's who's hurt? Now, let's
see Rock. I'm glad you asked that question. We got
the list. Uh, let's see your good friend at Graham
Asscraft on the I l with a right growing strain,
your growing strain. Yes, once a week, Uh do you pitch?

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):
I recommend you get that thing massage to take the
get go out for a walk.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
I get that's between me and the four walls of
my house. Austin Hayes at his foot, feeling better over
the last few days. He had took a foul ball
off his left foot with a bone bruise on May
the thirtieth.

Speaker 7 (01:34:44):
So that's just a pain, tollers and there's no structure,
just knowing something and you take the pain.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Let's go twel v. Marte getting an MRI I on
that left obleak. Today, Martin is clear he was hurt
on May the seventh. If it's clear, he heads to
Arizona for rehab on Friday, six weeks joining mister Hunter
Green Karen Reid murder retrial. The jury has reached a verdict. Well,

(01:35:14):
she'll kill her boyfriend cop yay or nay rock. What's
the verdict gonna be? I don't know, seg I say
guilty is charged. She ran over her boyfriend as a
police couple of times, didn't know he was there, thought
it was a speed bump out right, Yeah, she yes,
that's what she says speed bumbs usually move pumped up.

(01:35:34):
Pumped up. Yeah. The Athletic reports in soccer, FC Cincinnati
is hopeful to bring home Bayern Munich legend Thomas Mueller
to join the Orange and Blue. This guy has a
legend in soccer and Germany's won thirteen bends Laga titles
what are you talking about it? And FIFA World and
a FIFA World Cup with Germany in twenty fourteen. What's

(01:35:57):
his name? Haak haa no is name is Tomas Moeller.
If he decides to jump to the m LS, Jeff
Birding has made that man at a contract offers a
woman now is fey Wore? Is the US men's national's
getting him? But we gotta worry about winning They get
that dude. What about Cua, He's not playing anymore. I

(01:36:22):
don't think Harry Kane was here this last week. Ronaldo,
he was here in Munich, he was he was mess
He's an inner Miami and Pope is in Well. I
think about he's from France, but I don't know where
he's playing. What about Ronaldo the guy you got your haircut?
You walk into that place and say give me the
Ronaldo right?

Speaker 7 (01:36:43):
No, Ronaldo walks into the haircut place and says, give me,
give me the willy Ronaldo.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Is that possible? Yeah? And the barber goes, who, thank you, sheriff.
Who Ronaldo? Who sounds like a rock? That's that guy
that sells suits in Maderra. Yes, okay, that's Ronaldo. Romald,
that's Romaldo. He's good man. I love Romaldo. He's ninety
years old and outfits JD. Vance. I get my suits
from that place too, good Man. He's a great man.

(01:37:13):
Charge are getting to advertise. That's what I'm looking for?

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Yeah, all right? What's on the Big Show today? After three?
Right on the game. We have a doctor Bill Hennessy on.
We always love having him on.

Speaker 7 (01:37:23):
He's going to talk about the tariffs and what that
means for medicine and the price of some prescription drugs.
We have at four o'clock elade inbar who's a robotics expert.
You're going to talk about robotics replacing labor shortages.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Oh, that's all. That's good. The Trumpster put up one
hundred foot tall American flag now in the White House.
Democrats have been triggered by that. They are triggered. That's
Blayton patriotism, and they don't like that, don't want that again.

Speaker 7 (01:37:52):
They need they need to rework their position on things
men competing women's sports.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Now you want to get on the other side of
transgender Supreme Court just ruled exporting criminal or legal aliens.
They'll never learn.

Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
And displaying the American flag. They're against that. Perhaps another position.
It's a problem that they need to be on the
other side of it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
We'll see what happens. I'm gonna leave next week to
go to a much cooler place, Naples, Florida. A high
down there. It's eighty eight. You know what's going to
be here, ninety four. I got to go cool down. Okay.
Got a lot of meetings, a lot of meetings with
certain individuals about the Iranian difficulties and some guy who
lives someplace. It starts with an M. I can't say.

Speaker 7 (01:38:40):
Let's say I'm gonna see kimber to go for a wire.
Don't say I think she's in Greece trevening Trump. That's
another issue. I don't know what this meant to beat
Tiger Woods. He's occupied with Lt.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Gray. He's got a driver of his own right there. Yes,
he does and use the shortstick anymore. Never has from
what I've heard ever. All right, thank you, Rock, thank you, Yes, sir,
get me out of the Stude Report, please, if you
don't mind on my on my blog page. We got
certain issues with the widow of Patrick Erlinger. Interviewed her

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for about an hour and that's going to be up there,
so checked that out later. Will yet those red hot rids.
We leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge Report.
If I go down, you go down with me? In context,
I was looking at the segment if I go down,

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you go down with me? You take him down with you? Yes,
what you're saying, Yes, I go down, you go down
along with Sarah Elise. The three of us will be
together in a boat somewhere now. I'll be heading toward Oryan.
You'll be jumping in Orion or Iran, either one. Either one.
You know the difference Iran or Oriyan. What are the differences?

(01:39:58):
I don't. One's a little bit close sitting the other
a little bit. Thank you, Thank you. Let's continue with
more Billy Cunning and the Great America and the Rock
and Eddi your nax Roam of the Reds the best
team in baseball, The last ten games are your cinc
An under your heads On news radio seven hundred WLW