6-20-25 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie talks with Ohio Rep Cindy Abrams about making Cincinnati safer. Also Nick Berg explains what is happening with the conflict in Iran. Finally Judge Josh Berkowitz explains why the Hamilton County Clerk of Courts is in hot water.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
By Billy Cunningham, The Great America. Welcome this Friday afternoon
in the tri State, getting ready, of course for Reds
baseball tonight in Saint Louis. Three games set in Saint Louis,
and back room for the Yankees. The Yankees are trembling
about playing the Reds at my ballpark, the Great American,
and we have a conversation coming up late of the
Paul O'Neill, who has his foot in both camps. He
considers himself more of a Yankee because he is a

(00:29):
minu in and minument park in center field. That's the reason.
Rather than the Reds. One of the worst trades the
Reds ever made was trading Paul O'Neill for Roberto Kelly.
Whatever happened to him. But nonetheless, more important matters are
a foot right now. Joining you and I now is
State Representative Cidny Abrams of the West Side of Town
and Sidney Abrams, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.
And relative first to the Patrick Herringer situation, who was

(00:52):
murdered in his home and this can you tell the
American people at this point there's an investigation under way
about what happened in the state. You're of your foot
also in both camps. I don't know how many lawmakers
have been Cincinnati police officers as you've been and a
lawmaker somewhat unusual, But who dropped the ball a notifying
the local authorities about the walking around with a knife

(01:14):
of Mordecai Block that resulted in the murder of Patrick Herringer.
What what was the circumstance that happened that caused that
to occur.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, first of.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
All, thank you for having me on today, and I
will tell you that when I woke up the next
morning and I read about, you know, the horrific murder
of Patrick, I immediately started to ask questions and figure
out what happened and how can I, as a lawmaker
make positive change so that this does not happen to
someone else. Now that being said, to answer your question,

(01:45):
there's nobody in the General Assembly that was a Cincinnati
police officer, So there's that. So I went to work
immediately asking questions. You know, I talked to all all
the parties involved, and the bottom line is this, and
I will start by saying this, there are so many
politicians that just stand around and take pictures with the

(02:06):
police and say we support you, and but when push
comes to shove, actions speak louder than words.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
We were all taught that as kids, at least I was.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
And at the end of the day, I am not
just standing around saying, oh, I support you guys and gals.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I actually take action. So what am I doing? Well,
I am.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I've done some research and I found out that at
the end of the day, there was no protocol.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
That's what they told me, the Adult par Authority.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
There was no protocol for them to notify that they
had to notify local law enforcement when they entered the warrant.
For I call it escape. It's not escape, it's a
wall or absconding. So when he cut the ankle monitor
off and decided not to go along with the conditions
of his release because he was a targeted violent defender

(02:57):
at CBO, when he walked away and decided he's going
to to go, you know, live his best life doing
god knows what, murdering people, that was a violation. So
at that point, the Adult Pearl Authority has to enter
the warrant in Leeds, okay. And so what I'm working
on is it's going to say that the adult parole

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authority shall and you know in the ORC when it
says shall, that means you have to. There's no other
way about it. You shall enter that warrant within twenty
four hours into leeds. And you also shall notify local
law enforcement of this violent offender on the run. And
what I mean by local law enforcement your city, your county,

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your township, your village, and the public safety answering point
which is our communications center. That is the law that
I'm working on.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Good more and more Kai Black's case, A little birdie
told me that he committed numerous felonies in prison in
the nine and that years he was in prison. In fact,
he's been locked up seventeen of his last eighteen years
in prison. That he committed numerous felonies in prison. So
why wasn't he prosecuted for felonies go over the list?

(04:07):
Selling and using methanphetamine, shanking inmates, fights in prison, and
no point in prison was he indicted for those felonies
which would have kept him longer. Why wasn't he indicted
for selling meth in prison?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, what I see is he was under the influence
of hooch.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
He was making who he was fighting he was not
obeying the guard's orders. He was under the influence of
K two and so again I'm also looking into that,
like why wasn't he charged with the additional crime in
prison and in the correct in the Administrative Code Department
of Corrections, they can charge him. The question was why

(04:46):
wasn't he I don't know, maybe make that in law too,
I will.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Tell all right.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Now another issue, he was out and he cut it
off within about a month of him being out, he
cut it off. And to get out, to have the
ankle monitor put on, he had to identify where is
he's staying, Who's he's with, who are your friends? Next
of ken, next of In other words, looking ahead to
him cutting it off, they would have had his address
next to Ken, phone numbers, et cetera. People to research.

(05:13):
He committed a terrible burglary like three weeks before the murder,
and at that point the victims of the burglary in
Cincinnati OTR notified the police Mordecai Black is the guy
that did it, and a no point a CPD say, okay,
let's find out. Let's go get Mordecai Black. We have
his last known address, we have his friends and associates,

(05:33):
he's living in OTR. Why didn't CPD say, okay, we
got this guy, let's go find him before the murder.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
When you enter a warrant into leads, you have to
have all their information, So everything about them, named data, birth,
everything you mentioned. Okay, the crime they're convicted of, everything, Okay,
And so yes, officially that LEADS that warrant for absconding
and going a wall was in there at the time
that they're investigating this other burglary that he was a

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suspect of the issue is this times have changed sadly
over the last you know, twenty years in law enforcement,
and they're short staffed.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I mean, I remember when I took the test. There
were thirty five hundred people there at.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
The convention center to take the test, and they chose
eighty of us. And so look, there's less young people
that want to do this job. But what I think
the biggest issue is is they don't feel law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Our cops don't feel that they're supported.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
So if they go out and again, look at the
shooting that just happened, right, I'm not going to any
of the bad guy's names because I'm not gonna give
them any air. But I tell you that officer waited
what a month to be cleared.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
For doing your job, doing your job.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
So again I think that they're short staffed. Yes, we
do have the CIGIC and they have the task force,
and they go out and round up bad guys and felons.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
But again, like I.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Said, if this was put notifying them and saying, hey,
here's what we got, go get them, I think that
that would we would absolutely prevent that murder.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Culturally, cops and you were one thirty five hundred for
eighty spots. Now CPD goes into the community to advertise
the fact please make an application. And so at this
point the cops are told directly indirectly, don't be aggressive,
don't take a handful of warrns. I was told twenty
years ago the cops would show up, not much going on,

(07:30):
I take a handful of warns, go find these guys.
That doesn't happen anymore, right, That's.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Right, we did that. I mean, whether it's that or
whether it's stolen cars.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I mean I remember again back in the day, you
would tape all the license plates and making models of
every stolen car that's in the area, so you would
go look for those two and you had time.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Don't do that.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
But again, like I said, now, I mean, are you
supportive when you get a stolen car and get in
a pursuit of a felon and then they run from
you and full of gun I.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Mean that's the question.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well, this cop waited six weeks to be cleared, and
he was on desk duty for a while and the
message was sent. Was he close to getting indicted? I
don't think so. I think Connie Pillach did a good
job at the news conference and laid it out. But
the next next time might be a little closer, might
be quick. You have to make a split second life
and debt decision. Make the wrong one, your life is over.

(08:22):
So the law will be called? What to Sidney Abrams?
What will be the law called? When this thing changes?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
My plan is to name it, of course, with Sarah's permission,
is to name it after Patrick Patrick Karendra.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah act and maybe in the future there'll be something
good and valuable coming of it. Let's talk briefly about
the Larry Henderson Act. I know law enforcement cares about
this one too. What would that do Officer Larry Henderson
who was murdered by the father of the kid that
was shot in the business of stealing cars. What is
the Larry Henderson Act.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
So again after that horrific, So I thought about, okay,
what is current law. So, when you are convicted of
aggravated murder of a law enforcement officer, this is current law.
Your sentencing choices are death okay, the death bounty, or
life in prison with parole. And there's you know, you know,
ten twenty, thirty, forty fifty years where you can come

(09:18):
up for parole.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
So then I thought to myself, first of all, why
is it only law enforcement officers? You know, we should
include all of our first responders, right, so every police
officer right the city, county, od and our corrections troopers,
everybody including the FEDS, and our first responders are firefighters,
are emt are paramedic, and our military members. If you
wear a uniform, this act is going to protect you.

(09:41):
Someone kills you on purpose, they have a plan, They
do it on purpose. They're convicted of aggravated murder. Your
sentencing choices are death or life without parole. I am
sick and tired of the assault on the people that
are here keeping us safe every single day.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Because at this point, if you can I'm a police officer,
a first responder, someone with the fire department, whatever, you
can get to life imprisonment, but it doesn't mean without parole.
In fact, there was a cop killer about ten years
ago who was paroled and he's now living on the
beaches of California, which is incredible, and god knows, a
future governor might say, it's really the death penalty largely

(10:21):
is unused completely now and people talk about life without
possibility of parole. But the governor can still issue a pardon.
And we had Dick Celeste do that in mass about
thirty years ago, that he took everybody off death row
and gave them the possibility of parole. But this law
that Larry Henderson Act would keep that from occurring. Is

(10:41):
that true? Or could a future governor down the road say, anyway, well,
even though Sidney Abrams would like to have somebody in
prison for the rest of their life, after all, this
guy was young, he was disadvantaged, he's already been serving
thirty thirty five years and as a consequence, let's pardon him.
Does that eliminate the governor's part in power.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
No, but I guess the question would have to be asked, like,
as governor, are you going to live with that when
they come out and kill again?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
But you have to live with that in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
All right now, all you can do is a lawmaker
is do the law and then whatever the well, it
is despicable and last night another kid was killed and
over the rhine last night again every day, and we're
told by city fathers and mothers they have to have
pure of all that it's a safe community. You know,
there's about twenty thousand shots fired every year according to
shot Spotter in the city of Cincinnati, twenty thousand shots fired,

(11:34):
only five hundred people are wounded. It's a terrible circumstance.
It begins with law enforcement. And when there's one cop
between the Ohio River and North otr at three o'clock
in the morning, that's a problem. And the fact that
cops are reticent about doing their job because of fear
of retribution, that's a problem. Let's move to issue number
two if we can. Tony Bender, many others may have

(11:56):
a dog and what is the dog bill? I know
it's called the aver rebill, And what is the dog bill,
We had some of these vicious pit pulls running around
biting people, killing people, biting off parts of their body.
And what does the new dog Bill do if anything?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Well, so what happened not just down here in Cincinnati,
but across the state. We had devastating, horrific people that
were severely injured or killed by these dogs running around
with no supervision from their owners.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
There was a older woman over in Circleville. She was
out literally just pulling the weeds in her front garden
bed and she was mauled to death.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
And so that whenever something horrific happens, of course it
gets you know, the attention of lawmakers to take a
look at Okay, now, what are we doing here? And
what all this comes down to? This personal responsibility. That's
all it is. You have a dog, you are responsible
for that dog. And we're not talking about if someone
is messing with the dog, you know, you're wrestling with

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the dog, or you're provoking it. No, we are talking
about unprovoked attacks. Just like Avery. She was eleven years old.
She went over for a playdate at her friend's house
and these the dogs mauled her so horrifically. She was
severely injured. She's had multiple surgeries, and let me tell you,
if you have a few minutes, you need to watch
Public Safety Committee when she came in and she gave testimony.

(13:25):
She is a strong twelve year old young lady and
we are so proud for sharing her story. And so
what this bill does basically is it holds dog owners
accountable for unprovoked attacks.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
You're responsible for that dog. If you let it.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Run around the neighborhood and it bites a running or
walking or a kid riding its bike, shame on you.
It's going to be a criminal penalty. You'll have a
misdemeanor if it's serious injury and I'm one, and if
it kills, if your dog kills somebody, it's going to
be a felony of the fourth degree. We're tired of it.
We're sending a message and it's going to give the
dog warden the authority to take the dog, and then

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you're going to have due process in court. Every will
have their court and the judge will declare whether that
dog's going to be put.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Down or not.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
So the one bite rule is done. One bite is done.
A person with a vicious dog is held accountable. You
buy everything that dog does.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Lastly, head on a lawmaker. It might have been the
speaker Matt Huffman about a week or two ago. And
there's a vote we're going to have in Ohio in
November or in May that will eliminate all real estate
property taxes. You give the American people a chance to
eliminate real estate property taxes, they're likely to do it.

(14:35):
And that means there goes the funding for the schools,
police and fire, et cetera. And then he said that
if that goes out the window, that the sales tax
will be twenty percent. So that means everybody that has
a big purchase will go to Covington, will go to Batesville,
they'll get the hell out of Ohio to buy something

(14:55):
because who's going to pay twenty percent sales tax? Getting
rid of real lif state taxes. That's a great idea. However,
what's the downside?

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well, actually it sounds the folks that are collecting signatures.
I would caution everyone. I would say, please do not
sign that petition. And here's why, listen, I live in Harrison, Ohio.
They're fiscally responsible here, they're conservative, they're not wasting money.
If property taxes were totally eliminated, we would not the
City of Harrison would not be the City of Harrison

(15:27):
as it is. Now, what do I mean by that?
Their police, their fire, their streets department, you know, the
guys that come out and keep our roads safe and
fill potholes and whatnot. While the snow, all of that
would be totally gone, and the property taxes are used
to pay for things like I just mentioned, please fire roads,
right and the whole nine yards, our schools educating our children.

(15:49):
So yes, the speaker is totally right. We the General
Assembly would have to say, Okay, well, how are we
going to fund all these things? Because I mean, at
the end of the day, you have to now what
I will say in the budget. And we're working on
the Conference committee. Now I'm not in the conference committee.
It's three House members, three Senate members, and they're working
on the differences between the House and the Senate budget.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
But at the end of the.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Day, we are trying to deliver property tax relief for ohiolands.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
We get it, We also pay it.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
We all have a tax bill that we pay, and
so we are trying to deliver property tax relief to
ohiolands while still funding schools, our local government fund, medicaid,
the Department of Corrections, Department of Youth Services, state patrol,
you get the program.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I mean, the state pays for a lot of.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Things, yeah, including police and fire and getting the streets
under control. But once again State Representative sending Abras, thanks
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show this Friday afternoon.
The budgets all that stuff important, and we have people
like Mordecai Black running around OTR, which is a almost
like Tombstone, It's like the Ok Corral, and all of

(16:53):
a sudden, a good man and a good woman, a
man's life's taken defending Sarah against his fish's criminal because
this State to Ohio and city police together did not
go find this guy. And after he burglarized his ex
girlfriends whom I can't imagine being the ex girlfriend of
Mordecai Black, and she identifies him as the person that
did it and is simply laid there. And three weeks

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later he murdered Patrick Herringer in his home. Something's got
to be done. But Sidney Abrams, thanks again. Continue to
have a great day, and we'll talk later and after
the budget has approved, and Sidney Abrams, thank you for
coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And you're a great American.
Thank you very much, thanks for having me. Let's continue
with more if a line becomes available. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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seven thousand. Bill Cunningham, the Great American with you every day.
You're Home of the Reds and so much more. News
Radio seven hundred WLW. All right, let's continue now. Red's
playing Saint Louis tonight. Of course, the Yankees are looking
forward to their big three game series at My Ballpark
The Great American on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. And one
of the television stars of the New York Yankees Network
is the Great Number twenty one, Paul O'Neil. Paul O'Neil,

(17:58):
welcome again to the Bill cunn Show. First of all, Paul,
I got a big question for you. Are you prepared
for this question?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Go ahead, Willie.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I don't know if it's coming from you, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
If you were not traded to the Yankees for Roberto Kelly,
would you have a monument at my Ballpark The Great American?
Could you see the O'Neill career being what it was
if you stayed as a Red.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
You know what, I really don't think, so I don't
know why I wasn't. I mean, we had the one
World Championship one for certain us to switch a little bit.
But you know, I was very fortunate. I went to
New York at a great time, got to play with
great teams, and you know, we accomplished a lot.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Well, on the day you were traded, I guess Bob
Quinn or somebody called you and say, hey, Paul were
trading to the Yankees. Well, didn't you feel at one
point sad that was happening because you were leaving Like
you're You're from Columbus, this is your hometown team. You're
a crosley Field looking at Roberto Clemente, you became number
twenty one. Didn't you feel kind of down in the
dumps when you were traded?

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Oh? Absolutely, I mean it's you know, when you're traded,
you always feel like, you know, I didn't do enough.
You felt like you let people down, and obviously when
you're playing at home or close to home, this was
you know, I was a Reds fan growing up in
the Midwest, so I was disappointed. I didn't know what
to expect in New York. But you know that's the
way the game goes sometimes. And you know, looking back,

(19:21):
either a huge opportunity for me.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
And you know, looking back, looking back, you got a
monument next to Babe Ruth. Anyway, let's talk about this
series coming up. I know the Yankees probably are not
really excited about coming to Cincinnati, but you are that
you still have a home here. You play golf here
with a few of your buddies now and then, and
you do all the work and the Yankees Entertainment System,

(19:48):
you do all the television games. But do the Yankees
care about coming to the Great American Ball Parker do
the Yankees think what the hell are we doing this for?

Speaker 6 (19:56):
No?

Speaker 5 (19:57):
I mean, baseball is so much different with the Interleague,
and you know there's a history when you go back,
and you always kind of bring those back. You know,
when the Yankees played the Big Red Machine in the
in the World Series.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
So you can always go back on that.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
I mean, the Yankees have the Reds have played the
Yankees tough over the years in the in these Inner League.
And you know, Great American Ballpark is a great hitters ballpark,
so I expect a lot of a lot of things
as far as scoring runs to come about next.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Week and you're you're in town to do this. Do
you recall a bet that we made about a year ago?
Have you forgotten that I have not?

Speaker 5 (20:31):
And the odds of that happening bill, So we're gonna
double enough in this series. You did bet me that
the Yankees would the Reds would sweep the Yankees, And
I don't know how you pulled that one out of
your hat.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
But it worked. What's happening with Aaron Judge? I saw
him getting boot at Yankee Stadium. He dove for a
ball and missed it. How quickly they forget? And you
had said, I know you talked to Aaron about you
when you led the American League and hitting one year.
I think you were hitting like three seventy six or
four hundred and June and you went up to Aaron Judge.
What'd you say to him?

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Well, it was kind of a joke. Really. There were
game notes out that day and Aaron Judge was hitting
like three ninety or something, and he said, this day
in history, you know, Babe Ruth was hitting four h
two and I happened to be hit like four seventeen,
and he said.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Is that what I saw? And I said, yeah, you
better get it.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Going, brother.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Anyway, right downhill, right right there? Yeah, what the Yankees
have lost six of the last seven games, right yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
They got swept in Boston, which was, you know, really
surprising because Boston wasn't playing well and then with all
the Devors stuff going on, and he been trade it.
But then Anaheim comes in and you know, takes three
out of four. But offensively, they just haven't played well lately.
And you know, they're, like I said, great American Ballpark
can solve a lot of those issues. But they're a
solid team. There's ups and downs to baseball and they

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just went through it down. But you know, they had
just swept Kansas City before that. So it's the course
of a long year.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
But they have.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
A lot to look forward to.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
They've had some good, solid year to this point.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Paula knew who was a better owner for you. Was
it Marge Shot or George Steinbrenner.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
You know what, It's funny you say that, Bill jokingly,
but you know, no two owners wanted to win. And
I always respected March Shot because she she she wanted
to win for the City, and that's the same thing
that mister Steinbrenner did. So it's you know, obviously mister
Steinberner was a little more competitive to the point where
it was win or nothing, and you know, if you

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didn't play well then he would talk about you. But
you know, I played for two great organizations and looking back,
I can't can't complain.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Paula knew who was a better manager, Pete Rose or
Joe Tory. If you had to play for one manager
in heaven for the for eternity, would it be Pete
Rose or Joe Tory.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Well again, I mean you kind of take a little
bit from everybody you played. For the intensity of Pete Rose,
I'll never forget and I needed that, you know, at
that point in my career. But then as a veteran
team in New York where you need, you know, to
calm players down and get the media off the beck,
Joe Tory was the best. So again, you take a

(23:07):
little bit from everybody you've played with, and especially your managers.
So again, I was very fortunate to play with two people,
and I'm you.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Know, happy that obviously they dropped the band.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
But you know, I always thought that Peter should be
in the holidaym Anyway.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
If somebody had told you at the end of your
playing career you would have five World Series rings, would
you have believed it?

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Well, you know, I didn't believe that. You know, the
Reds were going to sweep the Yankees and Yankee Stadium,
but you told me they did so, and.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
They also swept the Yankees in nineteen seventy six. You
might recall the Reds one in there and kick the
crap out of Thurman months in a nineteen seventy six.
In fact, Paul, the Reds have won four consecutive World
Series games in seventy six with you. In nineteen ninety
they won four consecutive World Series games, and the last
game they played against the Red Sox in nineteen seventy five,
the Reds won the last game, Game seven. So the

(23:58):
Red Legs have nine second of World Series rings. I'm
sorry world Series wins. What do you think about those
nine World Series wins by the Reds.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Well, I mean that's a wonderful stat but you got
to get to the World Series a little more often
than they have, So you know, I always, you know,
look and see how the Reds are doing, and hopefully
you know they can turn things around. Terry Frank Hone
is as good as are the best at what he does.
And if he you give him some time and let
him make some decisions. I think the Reds are going

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to be in a good spot now.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Lastly, Cincinnati dominates New York. I'm thinking about Jerry Springer,
I'm thinking about Aaron Boone. I'm thinking about Paul O'Neill.
Is there something about Cincinnati values that dominate New York City?
Do you and Boone talk about Cincinnati at all? A
little bit?

Speaker 5 (24:46):
I mean we go in and talk about game things,
and it always gets back to there. But you know,
when you've played in a city as good as Cincinnati
and you know the traditions here that you know, you
learn a lot and as you move on, you still
remember the guy you played with. And I was very,
very lucky to be called up right, if you know,
Pete Rose still the manager, concepts, the Homa still in uniform,

(25:07):
Tony Perez, these are great players and you learn a
lot from him as a young player.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Which World Series ring do you look out more often?
The one with the Reds or the four with the Yankees?
Which one? Which one is most valuable to you. In fact,
if you already give me a gift upon your death,
would it be the World series ring from the Yankees
or one from the Reds.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well, maybe I'll give you one of each.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Bill, how about that?

Speaker 5 (25:33):
You know the Reds was our first World Series.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Yes, I'll never forget it.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
And then when I look at the four that we
won in New York when we played the Mets in
two thousand, just being in one city getting on the bus,
it was like high school again driving across the Tripro
Bridge and mister Steinberner if we'd have lost that one
and we all would have been, you know, a free agent.
So there was a lot of pressure when when we
played the Mets. But there's separate stories for every single

(25:58):
World Series. And like I said, I got an opportunity
to play with great teams.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Lastly, if you go to the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown,
will you be wearing a Yankee hat or a Reds hat?

Speaker 5 (26:09):
God, Bill, you got some tough questions today. Man, it's
the Cincinnati Show right right night. I better put a
little C on the side of the hat. How's that?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
But on the side of the Yankees hat?

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, possibly that's the way it is now.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
You read my mind, all right, Paulie, thanks for coming on.
We'll see what happens Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, and we'll
get together soon. I'll collect my bed. The Reds are
going to sweep the Yankees Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, and
if they don't, I'd be shocked.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
But all right, well, you gonna spot me a few
runs too, Bill.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Now wait a minute, you want a Cincinnati and to
spot a Yankee a few runs? No, flat out, flat out?
Once again, the Reds will dominate the Yankees, like in
nineteen seventy six, and like last June and the Yankee Stadium,
it'll be the Reds will be undefeated, untied, unscored on
at my ballpark, the great American.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
You called this a few years ago, and I laughed
at you. So I'm just going to keep my mouth
shut right now, let's see how this plays out.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I quit snickering. Paul O'Neill. The great number twenty one
traded for Roberto Kelly, and he did great in Cincinnati.
You got a monument with louke Gerrig. But all right,
once again, Paul O'Neil, thanks for coming on, the Bill,
Cunningham Show, and I'll see you on the golf course.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
See you Willie, have a good one.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I thank you, he told me. A day or two
after you got traded, he calls me and said, man,
I can't believe it happened. I said, I don't know
Roberto Kelly. And the thought was to defend the Reds,
that Roberto Kelly was quicker, faster, up and coming, and
he could play better, shall we say, on the turf
of Riverfront Stadium, and that somehow he had more skill set.

(27:45):
So Paul O'Neil goes to New York has monuments for
World Series rings, now does the Yankees television games. I
think the trade turned out okay for PAULI. I don't
know where Roberto Kelly is. Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham,
News Radio sevenw My Bully comming in the Great American
and of course good to hear from Paulie. Paul O'Neill.

(28:07):
It's a lesson in life that one door shuts, another
door opens. Just when you think it's dark, all of
a sudden, the sun shines and life is so much better.
Many times in my life I thought, you know things,
I'm at the bottom and all of a sudden, another
door opens. I go the other direction and things are great.
I talked to PAULI when he was traded, and they thought, well,
I'm from Columbus, I'm kind of a country boy, got

(28:29):
a beautiful Nevillie. His wife is a living saint, very
religious couple, got three little kids. They're going to be
going to schools here. Has a home in the Sycamore area,
and established himself as a player at a World Series
ring that point, playing for pot Rose Low Panela. Life
is good, and all of a sudden gets a call

(28:49):
saying you've been traded to the Yankees. He said, what
the hell? Did not want to go to the Yankees.
By that point, they had not won anything for many,
many years. The nineteen eight were a vacant time for
the Yankees. They won the World Series twice in seventy
seven and seventy eight, but there was no horizon on
that was going to indicate the Yankees are going to
be any good. And Paul was with his friends in

(29:11):
his comfort area. In fact, there's a classic photo that
Paul showed me. He was in Crosley Field, the sun
deck and right field, and behind him was number twenty
one for the Pirates Roberto Clemente. And that's why Paul
O'Neal took twenty one is because he loved Roberto Clementy
would come here from Columbus area to watch the Reds
play baseball. Always wanted to be a Reds ball player,

(29:33):
had a World Series ring. He gets traded to a
team he didn't want to go. And let's face it,
taking a young family to New York City in nineteen
ninety three wasn't the best decision you could make. Thirty
two years ago, New York City was like it is today.
It was a free fire zone, had a ridiculous mayor
named Dinkins, dinkdinkdnk Dinkins, and crime was rampant. And didn't

(29:54):
want to go. He had to raise three young kids
in New York City. There could not have been a
better move he ever made, but he didn't have the choice,
but it was made for him. So one door shut,
another door opened turned out to be the best thing
that ever happened to him. Reminds me also my own life.
I accepted a job in Warren County to be a
Warren County assistant prosecutor with Morris Jay turtlesen in like

(30:18):
nineteen seventy seven seventy eight, and prepared to move my
very young family from Toledo to Warren County to be
an assistant prosecutor. I get a call from him saying, look,
I hate to do this. I got to rescind the
offer because another guy named Flannery is a friend of
a friend, and I have a budget for one and

(30:40):
it's not you. So I said, oh my gosh, I've
already sold my house. He said, I'm sorry, I can't
help you. So then I started looking for a job
back home, and I found one with the Amity County
Public Defender's Office. I was low as whale, done penny,
and I wanted to come back home. Had been in
Toledo for six or seven years, but I want to

(31:00):
come back home. And I said to her, if we
don't get back home now, and I become more ensconced
here with Schnorf, Schnorff, and Snorf, we may never get
back home. Well, b Larson Hamwin County Public Defender's Office
hired me because she said, you have all the academic qualifications,
you're a Cincinnatian, and come on down. So I would

(31:21):
not have done. If Morris Turklesen has kept his promise
to me and I began as assistant county prosecutor in
Warren County, you would not be listening to me now.
I would not continue my life here at home, which
I wanted badly. So just because you've been fired, told
you don't get the job you failed in life, doesn't
mean that there's another door ready to open that you

(31:43):
were completely unaware of that is better for you in
the long run. And apoll O'Neil, what happened was better now. Secondly,
two stories in the Inquire Today. One is about a
Cincinnati police officer named Jason Wallace. CPD officer Jason Wallace
and citizens are encouraged of foul complaints against police in Cincinnati,
which happens hundreds of times every year. Allegedly, Jason Wallace says,

(32:09):
say a police officer used some foul language when arresting someone.
In fact, he dropped the F bomb. Oh my god,
during the arrest, he dropped the F bomb. And people
who filed a complaint against him for using foul language
and arresting somebody. Of course, city consultant Iris Rowley making
a bundle of money from these kinds of things, said,

(32:29):
I do not want to be cussed by the people
I paid to protect and serve me, quote unquote. So
he was like a reprimanded don't use foul language when
arresting criminals. Now that that's what the city is concerned about.
Mayor Pireval said, yeah, that's really bad, don't do that.
On the other hand, a kid was killed last night
in an apartment. I spoke to one of the leaders

(32:50):
of three C d C who said, as a good kid,
came from a good background, wanted a summer job. Put
him to work working for me. And Steve Leaper told
me about ten minutes ago, my heart's broken. We hire
someone to help in the community, and he's murdered doing
his job. And Steve Leaper is the first guy out
there to pick up plate glass windows that are shattered

(33:12):
or bought up, a business broken into, and every time
you take two steps forward, four steps back. So the
city Pierval is more concerned about a cop using their
word when arresting a criminal than a seventeen eighteen year
old boy murdered in OTR disgusting. Let's continue with more
up next. As an expert about Iran what America can do.

(33:34):
Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WULW, Cincinnati by Billy Cunningham,
the great American of course, right now as I speak,
book and left, right and in the Senator are some
more and Randy and missiles heading toward Hypa. The situation

(33:55):
that' given a two week reprieve to an extent by
President Trump, who says he's going to allow the next
two weeks to go buy to see what occurs. There's
an upside on the downside to using the bunker busters,
and whether or not Iran's next leader might be someone
more radical than Iotola Koman. He's another issue to take
into account. Joining you and I now is Nick Berg.

(34:18):
And Nick Berg is an author. He was born in
Tehran to an Iranian mother and an American father. Served
in the US Special Operations. He's one of the few
Americans who have firsthand experience of life inside Iran and
also inside the US military. And Nick Berg, welcome to
the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Nick, can
you tell the American people an overview as we speak

(34:39):
this Friday afternoon, what is happening between Iran and Israel
right now? Because many people only see this occasionally, at
least in the Midwest. What is the status of the
of the war right now?

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Thank you Bill for having me. I really appreciate it.
So this few between and Israel goes back a long ways,
back into the nineteen eighties when the Islamic Republic became
Iran's government and became totally anti Israel. Before that, Israel
and Iran were really good friends and the show Iran

(35:15):
supported Israel, and they were part of the world community
that wanted to see a peaceful Medle East. But there's
some government in Iran right now has been trying. They
have called for white in Israel off the map three
or four times their old president, and they talked about
that a number of times. And they are basically, if

(35:38):
you ask me, they are completely the head of the
snake for everything that's wrong in the Middle East, for
everything from data that Isletanon and who's teaching Yemen. They
are the financiers for all of the terrorism that goes
on in that goes on in the world right now.
And Israel basically got to a point that they couldn't

(35:58):
wait any longer for anybody else do something. And they
have a right to defend themselves. And this was completely
a defensive back on the Israeli side, because they knew
well that if Iran gets their hands on a nuclear weapon,
they will use it. And they had the minibalistic missiles
and all of that to carry O warheads straight into

(36:19):
downtown Tel Aviv.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
And you know, many times we forget history. Until nineteen
seventy nine, with the Shaw of Iran fell. Iran was
a secular nation in which all religions were welcome to
be practiced. It was perceived to be a friend of
not just Israel, but of the United States, and all
of a sudden there was some dissatisfaction with governmental policies,

(36:42):
and Iotola Komyane was flown in from France to the revolution.
And since then, one of the oddest things I noticed
is that the leader of the Ietola Komane, who now
runs Iran, is a religious leader who's calling for the death, destruction,
the rape, and the murder of all kinds of men

(37:02):
and women all over the world. I could not imagine
Pope Yeah, Pope Leo the fourteenth calling for the murder
of anybody. But talk about the religious aspects of this
guy and how he wants to kill a whole bunch
of people.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
Yeah, so he's no different than what we had during
the Iraq War of isis taking over, raping and killing
people and women and children and everybody else. That radical Islam,
if we can call it that, it's it's it's basically
based on the violence and based on all of that.
So the reason you don't hear here Leo talk about

(37:39):
that because Christianday comes from love and Jesus loving everybody,
ant giving everybody. Since in Islam, if you're if you're
a sinner, if you are somebody that doesn't believe in
their religions, you're infidel, and they'll cut your head off.
If you convert from Islam to any other religion, your

(38:00):
head gets caught up. That's that's the normal thing. If
you're if you're gay or anything that they don't approve
of you, they throw you off the building. The woman
get still in the middle of the in the ground,
even for they call it for adulttry but for any reason,
they could do these things. I lived there, I knew
exactly what it was. I fought against the government. After

(38:22):
the seventy nine revolution that happened, I had to get
out of Iran. Because my execution note was up because
while I was working with all the anti government in
Iran to to overthrow the Islamic Republic. Unfortunately I wasn't
lucky enough to do that. But I'm really really hoping
that today we can, we can have a new government
in Iran and take you run back to its original roots,

(38:45):
which are not Islamic. Most people don't do this.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
You run.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
Islam was forced on you run during the rab invasion
when they took over Persia. I took what's called back
then and they forced this law onto the to the
Iranians before that, Iran has a rich history of helping
other religious Cyrus. The Great was the one when he
took over a battle on here released all the Jewish

(39:10):
slaves all of there. And first the Equation of human
Rights was written by the Persians, which is now in
the Fritish Museum. This is not Iran, this is not
the Iranian people. This government have been really really driving
all of this violence and all of these things for
the last forty years because they basically want to survive

(39:33):
and they want to be.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
In power.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
The world right now, Nick Burd, those are great comments
because the Persian Iranian people had hundreds of thousands of Jews,
hundreds of thousands of Catholics, Christians, Atheists, whatever it might be.
You lived your life. But after nineteen seventy nine that
all change. Let me ask you this question. I watched
everything that I can, and at some point it's got

(39:57):
to be an article of faith even among Democrats, that
the Eye Tootal cannot get a nuclear weapon, in which
case you will use it. It is a death cult.
They celebrate death, don't celebrate life. What happens if the
Eye tot is taken down? Does the Iranian Revolutionary Guard
take over and impose worse policies or does it go

(40:19):
the other direction.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
I think it's going to go to the other direction.
Right now, the crime Prince of Iran, the Shaff's son,
he is ready to take over power. And he doesn't
want another monarchy either. Hey make that very clear. He
wants a three referendum for Iranian people to decide what
kind of a government they want to breed. Secular government
in Iran that can be part of the world. One

(40:44):
of the things that we saw when President Trump went
to his Middle East tour and went through all of
these different countries. In Saudi Arabia, Yue and all of that.
That showed the Iranian people how far they have fallen
in the past forty years. Before the revolution, Iran was
the right of the Middle East. I mean they were

(41:04):
technologically advanced. They were. They would have wanted that everybody,
every Arab nation in the Culf, in the Preshion golf
would look up to them. Now, with this tour that
the president made, and I think the timing was well planned,
that showed if the whole world that where Iran could
be and this is what they run and people want.
They want a secular government. I'm in touch with a

(41:26):
lot of people in Iran right now and I have
conversations with them there is right now. The reason they
cut off the internet in the last three or four
days is because there's a lot of anti government chants
that are happening. But they broadcast on TV and they
show all of these people supporting Palestinians and supporting the
government and all of that. That's a whole bunch of jump.

(41:47):
They cut off the internet so people can't get the
messages out that this government is almost done and they
want a new sicular government.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I pray to God that happens because to continue on
this path of destruction, death, disease, of rape and murder
is just h They are the head of the snake.
For those who may not know, they funded Hezballah in Lebanon.
They offended that they funded Hamas in so called Palestine
or Gaza. They also funded the Hoodies in South Yemen.

(42:18):
And they also have killed directly or indirectly thousands and
thousands of American soldiers along with hundreds of thousands of Muslims.
In fact, the number one victim of the Iola comane
in this branch of Islam, the number one victim are
fellow Muslims. What is mbs. Yeah, talk about the other
Muslims in the Middle East and how they view Iran

(42:39):
at this point with the Eyetola.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, And I just don't understand some of
the American politicisess. To be honest with you, Bill, I
said when the time that through Obama, we gave you
wrong for the millions of dollars that was shipped over
there and all of that, all of that is supported
us and his whole law and Gaza and that tyrannical

(43:05):
regimes over there. Sometimes I can't watching this University, so
that are protesting Israel and a love that innocent people
are dying Goza and all of that. I get that.
I understand what they're trying to stand about, and nobody
wants to see in the people dying. But the case,
you have to understand it. We stop bombing Berlin because

(43:26):
the Nazis were in charge, because they are innocent people there.
Didn't we just go in there and basically despoke Germany
to root up and not to evil. This is the
same thing that Israel'm doing in Godza today. And we
have to support Israel in this process, and we have
to support Israel in Iran and what they're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
At this point, Uh, sitting here this Friday afternoon, I
think Iran is trying to buy more time. And every
day there's thirty to fifty new sites in Iran that
are taken down by Israel, largely unguarded, unprotected. They taking
down on the radar station. So at this point, if
you give the Israelis another two weeks in order to

(44:06):
degrade the military in Iran, I think that would be
a positive. On the other hand, if we use these
mothers of all bombs, if we use these bunker busters
and they succeed, is that a problem? If they fail,
is that a problem? Because if we leave Iran in
control of the Aetola and give him two to four

(44:27):
more years, there's no more question he's going to develop.
He has the technology of the knowledge in order to
develop nuclear weapons. They'll simply start again and again and again.
Isn't it true to say that if we start negotiations
in Geneva, Switzerland and this goes on, Okay, let's have
a ceasefire with the Ietola in charge and let this
thing drag out for another year or two, how does

(44:50):
that benefit the world.

Speaker 6 (44:53):
It's isn't It doesn't. I don't think this government is
capable of doing an negotiation in good faith. It just
doesn't work. I mean, we still during about Clinton with
North Korea. You know, everybody celebrated that North Korea was
dismantling their nuclear weapons and all of that, and it
took a year and a half to two years when

(45:14):
North Korea had a newclear weapon. Now they're threatening South
Korea and everywhere else in the world.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
That's just the.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Same place right now. At this point, I'm really hoping
that President Trump will make the right decision and destroy
their capabilities one way or the other. There is no question.
We have to destroy capabilities, either with bunker busters or
anything else that we need to m Billa. One thing
I wanted to mention because I heard them the news

(45:40):
a lot of criticism, UH, people that support the president
saying well he did he might give us into another
war and all of that stuff. We have to trust
the president on this. He has the right idea. He's
driving this thing for the safety of the world, not
just history, but for the safety of the world. Sometimes
some wars we just can't alloyd and we have to

(46:01):
get into it. So we have to trust this Jushmand
right now. Yeah, we could have missed the right call
and mix the right decisions. And if it means another
war for the USB it, I think our truths are ready.
We're ready to go and get rid of this minusla.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Lastly, there's a hangover here in the States from what
happened with the Iraqi war. I can still recall George
Bush forty three saying that Sada Mussein had nuclear and
had weapons of mass destruction and that this is a
matter of the mushroom cloud over in New York City.
If we don't do it. It turned out that what
George Bush was saying about Iraq and I guess indirectly

(46:39):
Afghanistan was wrong. It was incorrect. I don't know if
they were lies, knowing there was something different when he
said it. But there's a sense in America from Tucker
Carlson and others that we can't get involved in another
war in the Middle East. We can't put troops on
the ground in Iran. It would be a disaster. He

(47:00):
ask the American people, do you want your son and
daughter to die somewhere in the desert of Iran. The
answer is not just no, the answer is hell no.
So having said that, can America and Israel win this
war from the air without putting on ground troops in Tehran,
which the American people would oppose.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
Yeah, absolutely, we can't do that. And one of the
things that I would say, Iranian people are ready.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
To take charge.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
They just need to support the Iranian people are ready
to topple this government and bring in the new government.
We're almost there, and some of the things we just
they just need to support up as President and the
rest of the free world to make that happen. We
got to stop talking about negotiations and all of that.

(47:49):
We have to go and use those bunker buses and
destroy their capability right now from the air. We don't
necessarily have to put tooths on the ground, but we
have the capability to support a thrill in and destroy
any anything that's resemble some nuclear weapon. At this point
and day RUNI and people would take it the rest of.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
The way, nick Berg, I pray to God that's the case.
We can't live like this in Israel. I've been there.
It's a wonderful place. It's a functioning democracy and returning
Iran to its historical roots. Maybe the shaw Sun is
ready to go, but the military in Iran must be
further degraded, and somehow the people must arise themselves and

(48:28):
say we can't live like this anymore. Nick Berg, thanks
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Nick you're
a great American and the great Iranian. Thank you very much,
and continue to have a great Friday afternoon.

Speaker 6 (48:38):
Thank you, Nick, I appreciate it. Brisk thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
God bless America. Let's continue with more. And there you
have it from Nick Berg, who lived in both locations
for long periods of time. Understands the Iranian people. The
effect of George Bush and Dick Cheney's false promises on
Iraq and Afghanistan are hangover. Says to what we can do,
Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WLW.

(49:05):
Oh my goodness, that thing's massive. All right now? Yeah,
oh yeah, you'd showed me a picture. Hello Byet Skulls.
I'm broadcasting segment. The beloved Mayor of Cincinnati is criticizing

(49:26):
Cincinnati police for using the F word when arresting criminals.
That's the big issue in the city of Cincinnati. Did
not use the F bomb, You know what I'm saying.
Are there other problems maybe in ot R? Yeah, like
like last night a sixteen year old dead. Yeah, And
Steve told me I could mention this on there. Steve Leeper,

(49:47):
as you know, runs three c DC. He is, he's hurt,
he's angry, he's sorry, he's broken that one of his employees,
seemingly is a good sixteen year old boy, was hired
in the same summer time and now working in OTR.
He's dead. And his father said, I can't believe this
happened to my son. Sophomore is sixteen year old taffed

(50:09):
high school, working two part time jobs, donating his time
to diabetic concerns. I guess somebody in his family has
diabetes and he found himself in OTR and he's dead.
But the mayor's concerned with cops using the F word,
of course when it rested criminals, and getting this haircut
about a five hundred dollars apiece. We go to the

(50:30):
same barber, by the way. That's a different story that segment.
Are you outraged by this or not? Yes?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
At some point his foolishness has got to stop.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Thank you. Also kent on Paul O'Neil about an hour ago. Yes,
number twenty one, the man who kicked the ball should
have been a placekicker in the National Football League. Go ahead.
In November of nineteen ninety two, it gets a call
yes from the Reds GM believe it was Bob Quinn

(51:00):
who said, Paul, I have some news for you. We've
traded Juju the New York Yankees. Paulie said, what for
Roberto Kelly? And he said I didn't know what to say.
I said, well, let me know when to report whatever.
He tell us. His lovely wife, Nevilie they have three
small children. And do you think a father wants to
go live in New York City with three kids in

(51:22):
nineteen ninety three? Correct?

Speaker 4 (51:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Unhappy? Yeah, how'd that work out? Very well? How many?
He's now a Yankee legend, he's a monument, Yes, Ruth,
Gary Barah, Barah, Mannel Mantel Barah, Yeah, I got him.
Reggie Jackson, Reggie Jackson, Derek Jeter, Derek Jeter, a rod

(51:48):
Ay rod I'm not sure about him not in there?
Who else? How about Miller Huggins, Yeah, him one of
your good friends.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
And how about Joelton, Joe DiMaggio, thank you, last man,
I gave a shower or two? And Paul O'Neil. Now
did that work out or not for Paulie? Yes? And
then you just read something he's been a part of
three perfect games? How about this one in baseball history? Yeah,
to be part of the winning team of three perfect games,

(52:18):
of course, mister perfect September sixteenth, nineteen eighty eight, number
thirty two. Then David Wells nineteen ninety eight. Yes, and
then later in the same season David kohne Be talking
about a guy that that happy got traded. Yeah, thank
you not at the time, and had and had a career,

(52:40):
a career, and he's got a ring for every every
every finger on his left hand. I think he told
me he wants to give me his World Series ring
from the Reds. Should I accept it? Why not? What's
he going to do? He goes me, Oh, remember the
bet we're supposed to take you to? Well, I said,

(53:01):
I'll give up the dinner, just give me the ring.
Last year, the Reds are playing in New York correct
the Yankees?

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I bet him, of course on the golf course. Yeah,
but the Reds was sweep the Yankees. Yep, he said,
There's no way on God's green Earth the Reds going
into Yankee Stadium and sweep the Yankees. What happened? Sweep?
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
I watch the double or nothing? This year? Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday?
What should I do? What does that mean? You get
two rings instead of one? I want both rings? I
went the ring, Maybe the two thousand ring, that's what
I want. I don't know what to tell you. He's
coming to town Monday, right, Yeah, he's here, he's here now.
But yeah, but the Reds are in Saint Louis. Say

(53:40):
get me into the Studge report. You're making a fool
of yourself. Will leave the Stooge reporters. Approach service of
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(54:02):
need temp Star this weekend because it's gonna be what
one hundred billion degrees here. I'm going to Naples next
week because it's cooler in Naples than here. I got
to cool off a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
Reds kickoff a major three game series tonight against those
Cardinals in Saint Louis. Meet me in Saint Lot six
five a Sports Talk RNL carriers Inside Pitch and then

(54:23):
Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Inning Show after the game, Brady Singer,
we'll go tonight for the Red Legs. Hope he's he's
a little bit better than Nick Smiley Martinez. Not good.
Nicky Smiles yesterday rock for seven runs and just two
and two thirds innings. A joeld question, how we look it?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Not good?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Twins beat him around like it was throwing batting practice.
Let's see NBA Finals former Dayton standout Obi Toppin off
the bench with twenty points. Indiana downs Oklahoma City one
O eight ninety one. Who wins on Sunday Night segment
Game seven Sunday Night in Oklahoma City. I'm saying, Pacers

(55:04):
all the way with Ted McKay. They're getting nine and
a half points. By the way I'm going, I'm going
with the I'm going with the Pacers, Okay. And then
how about this high school football? What former Beachwood standout coach,
no rash? What about Scott Teckett is back? What he's

(55:24):
coming out of retirement?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
What?

Speaker 1 (55:26):
No rash? We've had him in here because then a
couple about four or five years in a row. I'm
always coming in with the state type, right, even when
they don't win. He's going to take over at Connor
after the death of their coach at Dave Tosper terrible
seventeen years at Beechwood, two hundred victories, eight state championships.

(55:50):
And is Connor the home of the Bulldogs? Am I right?
I think the Cougars are they the Connor Cougars a
lot of older women go there. I don't know. I
don't know to go find out. Let's find out. Let's see. Also,
good luck this weekend. I know these guys are going
to be nice and cool. Roger Bacon Underwater Hockey Team. Eh,

(56:10):
they're going to compete in the USA Underwater Hockey twenty
twenty five US National Championships. What's in Denver, Colorado? What's
underwater hockey? You go underwater and play hockey at the
bottom of the pool. I used to tell my wife,
let's go to the twin drive in theater and watch
some submarine races. She bought it for about two trips.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
You know what I'm saying, You're sick. Thank you well.
He also with the hot weather coming in the Student
Reporters was also presented this week by ACR Gun Eyed
Pools and Spas hit it call today swim this year
thanks to Frank Zibel, it's going to be hotter than
the Hinges of Hell segment. Now, what else that's about it?

(56:53):
Fifty years ago today? What year? Fifty years ago today?
Nineteen seventy five, Jaws the movie was released. Steven Spielberg.
Of course, Cincinnati, remember that Spielberg, Cincinnati, Jaws, I saw
that pretty good stuff. I like that stuff. That's why

(57:17):
I don't go in the ocean. I don't like the
ocean that has sharks. I saw seventy five feet right,
not good saltwater. I don't like any of it. Fifty
years ago today today, Jaws, I saw that the movie release.
Did you see it originally? I saw him? Yeah, I
thought about two or three times, and it was in
Toledo when I saw oh, oh, wait a minute, now,

(57:41):
sounds like an executive from iHeartMedia. Meet me in, meet
me in skips. Here we go like DJ Hodge can't
have time to see me in skips when you get
off the air, I'm not coming. This is the music
he plays in the background. In fact, Cindy, it skips
see more people far than anyone I know. I think

(58:02):
this is his ring tone. You're ready in the next
n gol DJ, and this this music starts coming.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Here.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Ain't that getting ready? DJ's warming up? I don't know
what to tell you. Well, the next six games are critical, Well,
you got three, they don't play them well well, and
Saint Louis is kind of stinking up the place before
they swept the doubleheader, but any you know, your Madera
bull Tangs could have beaten the White Sox. By the way,

(58:32):
the Yanks are coming, Andrew ben Attendi looks like he's
available via trade. Say that again. The White Sox I
think are going to unload five years seventy five mil.
I'm not sure it works here if he would come here,
you know what may that happen? The guy that they
probably should get is Luis Robert. What they should do

(58:54):
is they should have never let that guy what's his
name Byron Buxton. They should have left, never let him
left town yesterday. Well, you let off like every game
with a home run, and we want that guy get
that good though, Well, the fact is there. I don't
know what to say. They got that McLean's hitting the
ball now and they and they get to the All

(59:16):
Star break, Well, you got three in Saint Louis not good.
The Yanks come to town Tuesday, Wednesdays coming next Friday,
Saturday and Sunday with the big Red Machine reunion weekend.
You got the San Diego Padres who had a fight
last night with the Dodgers, got into it, both managers

(59:36):
going out of each other. You see Roberts last night.
Oh he pushed the other guy you out to get
suspended to spend them all and then uh, then they
go to Boston not good. Uh, and then Red Sox
and then I think the Phillies philis go to the
Phillies the face off against Middletown zone Kyle Schwarber. Pretty

(59:58):
good lineup there. When did they go back and play
color the week before the All Star break? Let's play them.
I think they played Miami and Colorado's before play the
All Star Game. If they don't win every game in
that in that week, that's it. That'd be like Muller
High School in baseball playing deer Park in baseball. At

(01:00:20):
this point, you got to be deer Park, would you agree?

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Are they're deer Park in nineteen seventy seven? Well, look
at what in the state title. We'll look at that
one thing. I mean, they lost to Miami in Washington
in a road trip I believe earlier this year. That's
how those are the kind of games. See, they were
good against the teams last year that were that the Yankees,
Phillies and everything else that were good. They stunk against
the teams that's stunk. And you stink when you should

(01:00:44):
go well and you go, well, you stink they can go.
That's sure. They're stinking in going. Well, you don't know
what's going to happen, that's for sure. They got a
winning record though, Well that's right now they do hopefully
keep going. What about that, Well, let's keep going. What
if they go three and three the next six? Would
you accept that? I know the Well yeah, i'd accept

(01:01:05):
three in stree. So well, they just got to keep
winning series. That's all they got to do. O'Neil's got
to give me two World Series rings. At the Red
sweep the Yankees again, I thought you were supposed to
go out to dinner. At dinner, he gives me the ring. Well,
how can he do it? If he's in town and
you're in Florida. He'll be avoiding me like the plague
if I win again. I mean last time he made

(01:01:26):
me the bet on the dinner. Couldn't find him with
a search ware for several months. Then he surfaced at Kenwood, said,
you're finally back. I used to give maybe you take
it a dinner down there at the dining room and
g A, that's pretty good stuff down there. It is
good you like it because it's free. Now pay do you? Yeah?
She didn't charge me anything. She charges you. That's the way,

(01:01:47):
because it's you and versus me. I mean, I'm like
Rinaldo walking around. They call me c R seven, that's
what they call me. My wife thinks that look look
like Christianna Ronaldo. That's what she says. I thought she
said it looked like mouse. Give me out a stution
for that was disrespectful. Will he had out our other
go reds and a hot weekend ahead. You know I'm

(01:02:11):
going south to cool down. We leave you with the
ivordal words of the stew report. Well, the object in
any sport is to get better as the season goes along.
I don't care if you're playing Timley wins. You got
to figure out a way to get a little bit
better as the season moves along. That's a wise comment

(01:02:32):
right there. That's why the Cowboys the cow He's funny, Yes,
he is funny, man. I think Tommy Throll is doing
a great job also, yes, or good team up? Yep.
But Paul O'Neill on the Yankees Entertainment System and y
E S Network tonight, correct, how do you do after it? Traded.

(01:02:52):
Why did the Reds trade Paul O'Neil? Can you tell me?
I had no idea, I can't I know when it happened.
And I'm thinking what Roberto Kelly. Well, Roberto Kelly I
think was pretty good way back when, or he had
a crowd of good years prior to that, but in
New York. But the Yankee stunked from like now he's
nineteen eighty until nineteen ninety five, and then and then

(01:03:13):
he's a then big, big Paul O'Neill becomes a legend,
Yankee legend, a monument. Garig Ruth, DiMaggio, Farah Jackson and
Paul O'Neill. And who did the retch trade in that group?

(01:03:37):
I'm thinking pot Rose lou goes from there to hear
we send the manager there and their best player, paul
O Knight. What do we get back Roberto Kelly and
a bag of balls? He's probably he's been out of baseball,
probably for years. I don't know if he's still alive.
Segment Thank you by the way. Now after two o'clock
we have judged Josh Berkerwitz coming up from Hamley County

(01:04:00):
Court to talk about the refusal of the Clerk of
Courts Pavon Periq to follow the law. Now, Pavan Perik
was admonished by the Democrat and Republican judges in Hamley
County and the Court of Appeals and by the High
Supreme Court. They stood his one to say you can't
do what you're doing, stop doing it. So Pavan Perik

(01:04:23):
is now in the radar system of the High Supreme
Court and he's a lawyer who refuses to follow the law.
But we'll make sure he does. Segment. Well, then you
know what that means, right, justice is Joe Joe Dieters
or Justice Joe jj Eaters, also known as the man
who makes the putts a number eighteen of Clovernook when

(01:04:45):
he has to in front of the ry Harry Alexander.
He's a player. Bill Cunningham one fifty five HOMEO REDS
News Radio seven hundred WLW by Billy Cunningham, the great American.

(01:05:06):
Of course, how many many months ago I had on
a judge from Hamley County to presiding judge the Municipal Court,
Judge Josh Berkowitz, who found himself in an odd position.
And normally the Clerk of Courts is the creature so
to speak, of keeping public records. And normally when a
clerk of courts is elected and the judges of Hamley County,

(01:05:26):
Democrat and Republican say, hey, clerk, you're not doing your job.
You can't union otily decide to take out of the
public domain public records. Most clerk of courts would have said,
you know, your honor, your judge, I can't anticipate people
are going to follow the orders that I issue unless
I follow orders issued to me. And at this point

(01:05:47):
the Hamony County Clerk of Courts, a guy named Pavan Perik,
said no to the judges, and so Judge Berkowitz, representing
all the judges of Hamlony County Municipal Court, sought to
have a meeting with next tell us what you're thinking here,
because you're taking out of the public domain public records
and refuse to meet with them. So then lawsuits were filed,

(01:06:10):
resulting in a unanimous High Supreme Court decision Democrat and
Republicans in Columbus saying to the clerk of course in
Hamley County, hey, by the way, you can't do that,
and so joining you and I now is the same
judge Josh Berkowitz started this thing about a year ago,
and Judge Burkerwitz, first of all, for those who may
not remember a year back, can you tell the American

(01:06:30):
people what this dispute was about?

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Sure? Thanks Bill, Thanks for having me on. It's always
good talking to you. This all started back in twenty
twenty two, and the Supreme Court really brought it to
a conclusion this week with that unanimous decision that you mentioned,
and they just flat out shut it down. They really
rejected what I think can be characterized as a progressive

(01:06:59):
path or grab by our Clerk of Courts in Hamilton County.
What he did here was assert his authority as the
clerk of courts over any court record, and an issue
in this case specifically, was he removed tens of thousands
of municipal court eviction records from his website without any notice,

(01:07:24):
without any authorization. We learned about it from a Cincinnati
Enquirer article. And what he asserted could be applied to
any court records. As the clerk, he gets to pick
winners and losers, that he gets to decide what the
public's entitled to see and what the public shouldn't know about.

(01:07:46):
It's entirely contrary to the text of the Ohio Constitution
and Ohio law and really the entirety of the American
legal tradition. You know, the Ohio Constitution right in it
says courts are open, they are presumed to open. That
includes court records, and to restrict that is a judicial decision.

(01:08:09):
It's got to be based on facts, it's got to
be based on evidence, and it's got to be in
the records so that somebody can appeal, somebody can object.
And none of that happened here. He just asserted this,
this blanket authority. It was a really brazen political stunt,
and it's cost the taxpayers of Hamilton County eighty thousand

(01:08:30):
dollars in legal fees so far, and it's really it
was all really really unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
And Judge Berkowitz, it began, I guess, with the idea
that the clerk at courts, uniquely in Ohio, said that
I will be the decider as to whether court records
are open or closed to the public. It'll be up
to meet to decide. And so you must have when
you first heard this, you must have said, that's not well.

(01:08:59):
He can't be saying that, is it true that you
sought to have an eyeball to eyeball meeting with him.
You representing as a presiding judge. All the judges Amwiny
County Democrat and Republican, And what happened with the request
let's get together and talk about this so I can
hear what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Yeah, absolutely, judges are not. We were not picking a
fight here. We wanted nothing to do with this kind
of conflict. My colleagues, fourteen judges on the municipal court
tried for a lengthy period of time to try to
resolve this thing in a reasonable fashion and agreeable way.

(01:09:37):
I became the administrative and presiding judge in January of
twenty twenty four, and I really thought, if I just
could get a face to face with this guy, that
we could communicate. He's an attorney, you know, Clerks of
court are not required to be attorneys, but he is
a lawyer, and so I just felt like, if we
just sit down and go over the law as I

(01:10:00):
understood it and kind of discussed the circumstances, that we
could reach some sort of resolution to this thing. And
he refused to meet with me. I mean this went
on for a long time. Everybody who looked at it,
as far as I know, and obviously in court, every
judge that looked at it rejected his position as entirely

(01:10:25):
contrary to law. And at every opportunity he doubled down.
He doubled down over and over and over again, including
as recently as in response to this decision, he put
his office put out a statement, you know, making excuses
and claiming to be the good guy, and well, the
system's broken and therefore the cirk of courts was right

(01:10:48):
to conceal all these records from the public view. And
it's just completely unsupported by the facts, the evidence, and
eighty thousand dollars in legal fees later. I think you
ought to do the right thing. Frankly, Bill, I think
he ought to pay it back. I don't think the
taxpayers should have to foot the bill for all this.

(01:11:10):
Pay it back, do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
And the essence of this was he wanted to keep
out of the public domain eviction records of a person
previously evicted so that they could more easily get to
run an apartment. I guess is that the essence of this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
Yeah, so there was a little bit of moving goalposts
on that on that issue, And like I told you,
he never sat down with me ever, so I you know,
I can't tell you exactly what he was thinking. But
the argument kind of evolved in court. First of all,
this was all eviction records older than three years, so

(01:11:54):
without regard to what happened in the case, you know,
was it granted, was it not granted? What? None of
that mattered. He removed all these records from his website,
and the first justification was, well, you could come down
and look at the paper record at the courthouse.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Problem we had with that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Is, first of all, he doesn't have the authority to
do that. Second, in this community, we've relied for more
than thirty years on the clerk's website, and clerks from
for three decades have touted it as easy and accessible
to use, and people who looked at the website once

(01:12:35):
he did this would have no idea that there was
a record missing, that it had been removed, and that
they had to go downtown to look for it. So
it was a complete you hide from the public sort
of maneuver. And then it kind of evolved in court
where he changed it a little bit, where it wasn't

(01:12:55):
protecting people who had been evicted. He said that these records,
these court records, led to misidentification and the denial of
employment and housing based on race or religion. And one
of the things that the Court of Appeals found was
that he never presented any evidence whatsoever to support that conclusion.

(01:13:19):
He never presented any evidence. He never even had a
complaining party somebody who asked him to do this. It
was entirely his policy, his agenda. He put it in court.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
He incurred this expense in the First District Court of Appeals.
Are all democrats. There's a democratic judge on the Ohio
Supreme Court Towne for Brunner, who agreed with you. In fact,
there's no legal argument available that says the clerk at
courts can union only decide to not put in the
public domain the eviction wreckers or other records after previous

(01:13:54):
to three years. It doesn't exist. And the fact that
he's an attorney as Pavani is another great concern, because
do you think right now he's complying with the High
Supreme Court.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
Yes, he has restored those records. During the course of
this appeal, he sought a stay of the First District's decision.
So that he could keep that information off his website
while the case while the appeal was pending. They rejected that.
This was a couple months back, and so my understanding

(01:14:29):
is he has restored those records. They are all now
available on their website appropriately.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Eighty one thousand dollars to the detriment later of the taxpayer. Lastly,
I think I know how the pecking order of the
courthouse works. Normally, if a judge, much less the presiding
judge elected by Democrats and Republicans, as for a meeting,
it would be impossible. I think for someone in maintenance,
someone in the probation apartment, someone in the clerk's office

(01:14:57):
is say I'm not meeting with you. And it's not
a personal affront. It is the fact that the building
is to Haminy County Courthouse, and the judges run the courthouse,
and the judges run what happens inside the courthouse, and
so to have for the first time in American history
a clerk of court say, now, wait a minute, I'm

(01:15:19):
going to violate the law purposely as an attorney. I'm
not going to meet with the judges to explain why
I'm doing it. In fact, I'm going to go to court,
lose and cost the taxpayer eighty one thousand dollars. Then
when I lose after about a year, I'm going to
put some snarky response on my website knowing or should

(01:15:42):
have known, that I'm violating the law. Has anyone thought
about a taxpayer's lawsuit against him to get the money back.
I'm thinking of someone like, I don't know, a Tom
Brinkman type, or a Chris Finney or someone to say
he violated a known law, costing his money and now
an acknowledge and the fact he was wrong. Is this

(01:16:03):
a Chris Finny matter to get the money back?

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Well, I can tell you I don't think the taxpayers
should have to put the bill for this. I think
he should pay it back. I think he should take
responsibility for what he did, admit he was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Wrong, and pay the money back.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
I think that we as a court absolutely are going
to look into what we can do to recover that money.
And I think if I was, I mean I am
a taxpayer, and I think the taxpayers ought to be
mad in multiple respects. Obviously they're paying for this, but
you know, bill court records are important, and that's why
they're written into the Ohio Constitution. Public records are important.

(01:16:43):
This is how the public keeps tabs of their elected officials.
This is how they know what's going on in their community,
and this is how they judge. You know, is this
Are these public officials effective? Are they efficient? Are they fair?
Are they responsible with tax dollars? And that's why we
have sunshine laws. That's why we have open courts in

(01:17:06):
Ohio and around the country. And I think that that
can't be overstated or overlooked. It's also why, you know,
politicians have a favorite target in records. They love going
after records because it's an effective way to manipulate opinion,
to advance a certain policy or agenda, to do exactly

(01:17:28):
what I said, to pick winners and losers. If you
can control those records and who sees them, then you
can really shift public sentiment on any number of issues.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Now, the guy's name is Pavan Perik. He's the elected
clerk at courts in Hamlet and County. As an attorney,
he violated a known law, prosecuted it to a large extent,
cost him the taxpayers eighty one thousand dollars in more,
and now having lost, he doesn't even acknowledge his own wrongdoing,
he simply moves on to the next task. Who's a judgment.

(01:18:01):
I I'm certain about how he's going to exercise it.
But Judge Josh Burkowitz, representing the court system, the Hamony
County Municipal Court, judges Democrats and Republicans, First District Court
of Appeals all Democrats sided, of course with you. High
Supreme Court unanimously said you can't do that instead of
accepting it. But Pavon Perik said, well, I mean I

(01:18:24):
tried my best when he knew he was lying the
entire time about the legality of what he was doing.
But Judge Josh Burkelewitz, thanks for coming on the Bill
Cunningham Show. Good luck with this guy. There's going to
be more problems in the future. But Judge Burkelewitz, thank
you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Thank you, Bill. I appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
God bless America. Let's continue with more. Can you imagine
a public official telling the judges of Hamilty County, all
of them, Number one, I'm going to violate the law.
Number two, when I do it, I'm not going to
meet with you. And number three, I'm going to appeal
this case for the next year or two and cost

(01:19:02):
the taxpayer money, then one I lose. I'm simply going
to obviate or avoid obvious acknowledgment of what the law
is to his own. I don't know what he's thinking about.
His name is Pavan Perik, elected Clerk of Courts at
Hamilton County. Wow, let's continue, Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred.
Wow are moving closer? You believe the US is moving

(01:19:26):
closer to striking Iranian nuclear facilities? Where's your mindset on that?

Speaker 7 (01:19:30):
I can't say that right. You don't seriously think I'm
going to answer that way. Will you strike the Iranian
nuclear component?

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
And what time exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Sir?

Speaker 8 (01:19:40):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Would you strike it? Would you please inform us so
we can be there and watch. I mean, you don't
know that I'm going to even do it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I may do it, I may not do it. I mean,
nobody knows what I'm going to do. I can tell
you this that.

Speaker 7 (01:19:53):
Iram's got a lot of trouble and they want to negotiate.
And I said, why didn't you negotiate with maybe for
all this death and destruction?

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Why didn't you nego?

Speaker 7 (01:20:03):
I said to the people Why didn't you negotiate with
me two weeks ago?

Speaker 6 (01:20:11):
Hello, quiet, and I'm spokes I'm broadcasting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Cocky. So many issues, so little time, chaos and Trump
announced when Yeah, of course that's what the meaning you learned,
you know, June to sixth, nineteen forty four. Tell him.
Eisenhower should have called over to Rome out off Rommel
and said, hey, hey Edwin mom, we're coming for you
six am sharp, get ready, uh French time six am

(01:20:43):
June to six, nineteen forty four. Of it's a good
death form. I got you. I have some questions for you.
Rock fire Away. Day after day after day we saw
your your good friend, guy Gavin k news from the
governor of California talk about illegal threat to democracy. Trump
can't take control of all California National Guard. He's extra judicial.
He's a dictator. Remember that, yes yesterday and the unanimous

(01:21:07):
Ninth Circuit US Court OFA. Now for the Ninth Circuit
to get a unanimous San Francisco head San Francisco, would
they say, yeah, he do that within his The media
covered that to the extent that covered the other part. No. Secondly,
here's the second question Ice in Homeland Security had about
twenty vehicles, and they needed a place to quote stage

(01:21:29):
the vehicles, to get the other talk about the plan.
They go into a parking lot of Chavez Ravine Dodger
Stadium at eight o'clock AM Pacific Standard time, which is
five o'clock.

Speaker 8 (01:21:39):
And they do this because there's not exactly a lot
of vacant land in La So the biggest place where
we can park a bunch of cars is meet there,
Dodger Stadium, right there in parking.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
So they pull in and they're talking to each other.
You do this, you do that. The Dodger game is
twelve hours away. Now the media gets someone calls somebody, Hey,
Ice is staging arrated Dodger Stadium plaque. In the morning.
It's empty, empty, nobody's there, not even the workers, nobody.
So the media. Then the activists show up to surround

(01:22:07):
the areas so they can't get out. The media says,
now there's a dispute between the Dodgers. The Dodgers want
to help. They quote immigrant community, not the illegal immigrant community,
but they're so called immigrant community. Is that a big story?
It's it's a big story, but it's not being reported properly.

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
Really, they showed up at eight am to they made
a sound that they showed up outside the gates as
they're getting ready to let people in for the Dodger game.
So reson, that's not what happened at all? The angels.
Do the facts matter? No, of course, of course, So
then what are you talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
We weren't there, Homeland Security said, and I suppose said,
we were surrounded by activists. Have you seen the activists
holding onto the hoods of ice vehicles. It's the best
thing I've known when Yeah, normally they're fat white women
with purple hair, right, and they're screaming out, hollering, and
so I'm thinking, Okay, they're saying, we're not going to

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stay your raid. Before Dodgers came with fifty four thousand people,
we hit a staging area to get together the vehicles
to go somewhere else. That that that's not a story though,
But the other story fits correct.

Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
But every poll out there says this is what people want.
You know, start with the criminals.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Is there a different segment between legal and illegally? Is
it the immigrant community or is it the illegal immigrant
community with warrens for their arrest? Does the media report
it that way? All depends on your outlook. Now, lastly,
rock and Bled, you brought that up. There's a quarterback
for Mueller who beats sant next this year. I might
d named Ponatowski, who's really good, very good. And I

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guess they have this competition to the Elite eleven fight.

Speaker 8 (01:23:41):
That's that's where the top quarterbacks around the country going
to compete.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Yes, and he went there and just shine according to
the inquiry, Yes, what do you think about that?

Speaker 8 (01:23:49):
Still monitoring this story here, But now that's good. He's
got a big decision make. He was also the top
baseball player in the state of Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
So what do you do now?

Speaker 8 (01:24:01):
I can test that I've heard he wants to do
both there. I don't think there's any way not to
go to the schools he wants to go to. If
he's look, he's looking at Oregon, he's looking at Alabama,
a few other schools that there's no way he can
play both at those schools.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Not not in play quarterback. It can't happen. Why not?
Because you're Sanders.

Speaker 8 (01:24:21):
You're gonna tell Dan Lanning, the head coach of Oregon,
I'm not gonna be here for all of spring practice.
You know, we're organizing things. I got were playing baseball
and say no.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
We're gonna pay you two or three million dollars. That's
another factor. Correct, of course, it's a factor Vegas one
right now. But by the way, I'm glad you brought
that up.

Speaker 8 (01:24:40):
So so according to the NCAA case that got settled
was that a month ago, athletic departments can pay twenty
and a half or so million dollars to all their
student athletes or to any you know in their whole
athletic department. Question is gonna be how much are they
still going to allow? Side and il deal side?

Speaker 6 (01:25:01):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
You know what about Matt Race? Is a side deal somewhere.
I'm not sure what it is. But how about that?
I got a text from Maller's Faithfully you ready for
this one? Yes, tell the rock here we go. Tell
the rock that uh that Upontowski has offers to play
football and baseball at four big time schools. Tell the

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rock what you just said. Tell the rock right there?
Tell the rock. Tell the rock is.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
That from.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
That number? Tell him what they want. But fourteen school
they're not gonna let him do both. I hope it
happens that'd be great. Would you be shocked? I would
be not because he can't do it.

Speaker 8 (01:25:42):
It's just that, I mean, the quarterback position is the
amount that falls on the on that position is unbelievable.
The reps you gotta they have to take to do that,
and to say I'm gonna miss a lot of spring
ball to do that play baseball. Yeah, I'm just saying
it's gonna be tough. If he can do it, God
bless them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
The president of the Maler Dad's he's got four offers
accepting his parameters.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
Your reaction, I'm saying, they're they're gonna tell him what
they want to want him to hear to get him there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
And then they're, well, you know, three million dollars and
you knowing about that, Matt, what do you think three
million would he be a better football or a baseball
player in the pros.

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
See, I'm not seen him play baseball. I've not been
to a baseball game. I've seen him play football, and
he's very very good and he's only a junior. Yeah,
I he rakes in baseball. The kid hits the cover off,
the ball, plays shortstop, the whole deal.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
But another.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
According to Muller, high school. He will only go to
schools if they agree ahead of time to play both,
and all the schools will agree correct, Oh yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, I'll you Alabama's roll Tide. Yeah, that's okay,
and they start.

Speaker 8 (01:26:51):
Within the four year period by the time his senior
year happens.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
If he's playing both, Matt, Matt's got a big decision
to eat your hat. Yes, you'll eat my hat. Yes,
gotta get one. Yeah, segment give he said one. He
got on and played golf with. How about Paul O'Neil?
How about this story? Big had him on an hour
and a half ago. You did? Damn I didn't hear
that twelve thirty a time. You know, he's a Columbus kid,
kind of a country boy. Comes down, He goes to

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Crossley Field and it's in the sun deck. His dad
takes a picture of him with a guy named Roberto
Clementing in the background wearing number twenty one, and Paul
turns to his daddy's seven years old and said, Dad,
I want to play for the Reds and wear number
twenty one. Yeah, it says what happens? Yeah, okay, fue Yeah,
we'll see yeah, all right. Years go buy drafted by
the Reds in nineteen eighty five, right, and he's playing

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for the Reds and he's wearing number twenty one. It
was available, he took number twenty one. Lifelong Reds fan.
Then then in nineteen ninety three, your friend Bob Quinn
Paul's PAULI at home and says, Paul, you've been.

Speaker 8 (01:27:53):
Traded to the Yankees. Here's the bad news. First thing,
you've even traded. The good news, you're going to the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
But in Paul's perspective, how was New York to live
and with a wife and three kids in nineteen ninety three? Yeah,
he said, what do you mean? Is this a joke?
You know, it's not. Who's coming here? Tell him say
Roberto Kelly. Whatever happened to him? So he's unhappy. I
don't want to go. I got three kids, my wife Nevilliere,

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very religious, living in New York City with three kids.
Would you do that rock with your three boy with
your three boys? I don't think he had a choice.
That's what he wanted. Would you do it though? If you?

Speaker 8 (01:28:29):
If you, yeah, of course you have to. What if
you had a choice. I got very lucky. The four
teams I played for. None of them were like big
in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
City at night.

Speaker 8 (01:28:38):
I would have hated that about dated it David Dinkins, Indianapolis,
Kansas City, and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
And then he said, okay, okay, I'm trading how many rings?
He's now a total of five New York City. Here
we are hanging in their life as a tendency to
work itself out there. Tell them, tell them about the monument.
Who's in the monuments? Ruth, Gary Demaggio, Barrett whitey Ford,

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Bara Mickey, Mickey Mantle and Paul O'Neill.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
See it now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I don't mean to laugh, but I'm thinking, I know every.

Speaker 8 (01:29:16):
Time you you have him on and you tell me this,
it's still got rid of him.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
I don't know what that guy the worst trade they
ever made.

Speaker 8 (01:29:24):
Worst in fact, in that whole like sanctuary thing, they
have Babe O'Neil Micky number and they retired his number
number twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Jeters there, what a fantastic life. Name him Duncan? How
about Duncan? Not bad? Right bad? And then he was
what he played in three perfect games. Only player in
baseball history, mister perfect, perfect game. David Cone perfect game,
David Wells only player, and in two of the three

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he caught the last ball. He said, the ball's coming
to me. I'm going, Oh, we got rid of him.
We don't want him. And he had a nice home
and Montgomery still does, kept his house here and comes
in down then and uh, I said, was that a
good move or a bad movie? He said, it was
the worst thing in my life in nineteen ninety three.

(01:30:17):
By twenty oh three, it was the best thing that
ever happened. Hey, that's the thing they know and why yes,
Yankee legend on, Yes, he's like Jeff Brantley to the
to the I told Segma story when I'm doing my
TV show and I Paul said, can I come by
and watch that? I said, sure. It's like twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen. He comes in the back way and we

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have a sales stand. We had eighty five ninety people.
He walked out and when of Paul went this guy
with front of mine. I want to say a few words.
You would thought Ronaldo had arrived.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
I said, I didn't know you were this big in
New York. And the ladies were going nuts, like when
you when you or I get around women. You know
how that goes. Yeah, they go nuts. You should have
seen this. It was like, you know, Paula and you.

Speaker 9 (01:31:00):
I said, yeah, twenty years yeah, oh my god. And
they're like, he used to play for the Reds Reds
And I asked him, I said, are the Yankees looking
forward to playing the Reds Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday?

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
He said yeah, And we've lost six of the last seven.
So he still comes back here. Oh yeah, he comes
in about once a month. And we played golf. He
played the Michael, but he belongs to Ken. Wouldn't we
go out there with Mike Lane and Walt Sweeney and
we go play golf. And I used to get in suicide.
Now he gives me one aside. So it's the way

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it is. But the worst day of my life. Now
I'm with Babe Ruth.

Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
He's got to hang in there, man, hang in the
order will make things happen for you if you hang in.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
There, American, you gotta go where you gotta go.

Speaker 8 (01:31:46):
Where life is kind of the direction that's nudging you
don't exist.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
It just kinda And just how many players have five rings?
Not many? Say your reaction, Well, he the Studia reporters
and proud Service, every local Thamestar heating and air conditioning dealers,
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(01:32:14):
two And indeed at this weekend, Willie, because it's gonna
be hot, hot, hot outside. I'm going to Naples Reds
and Cardinals tonight in Saint Louis, speaking of the Big River.
How about Sammy Sosa last night for the first time
in twenty years. Yeah, he's at greg Leyoga, goes back
to Wrigley Field. It looks a little different. It looks

(01:32:36):
like he's shined up or something. I'm not sure what
it is. Bleached. I don't know. Is that bleach? I
think so? My mistake er on purpose? I can't say.
Brady Singer goes for the Reds tonight six oh five
Sports Talk, Rnel Carriers Inside Pitch and then Kelsey Chevrolet
Extraiting show after the game. Now it's winner go home
on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
This is it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma the site the Pacers v Thunder in
game seven and.

Speaker 8 (01:33:05):
Twenty minutes or something last night, right, and they still
be topping to scored twenty points.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
They were up by uh they held a thirty one
point lead at one point in the second half. Over
smoked him. You want to make a bet on that segment.
If you're an in and opis kind of guy, I'll
take Okay, See, I'll give you the pacers for a
hot pudg Sunday.

Speaker 8 (01:33:24):
Youre gonna owe me one and now I don't I
don't know enough about basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
I'm taking the home team in games. I'll we'll take yeah, sag, Yeah,
you don't have the guts, Rock, You don't have the guts.

Speaker 8 (01:33:37):
Say you got about five and a half weeks before
you owe me that hot pudge Sunday from Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Let's not bring him up, Okay, Bill Belichick, we're not
a coach for the tar Heels. Write that down, Seg.
You're writing that down. Write that down. Ye get me
out of the Stuture report, please, will he Everybody have
a good weekend and we go Reds. We leave you
with the immortal words of the Stood Report. Next week's
highway patrol story is a very unusual one.

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
I hope you'll be with us until then. Remember it
isn't the car that kills, it's the driver. This is
Brederick Crawford saying see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Let's get rid of Paul O'Neil, he can't play, bringing
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