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Speaker 1 (00:06):
My Billy Cunningham, the Great America. Welcome this rainy Monday
after Anon in the Tri State. I haven't said raining
for about three or four weeks. We need it badly
and coming up later. Of course, there's no Reds baseball tonight, Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday. It all happens with the Pirates in town.
It appears that Paul Skens, a good friend of Brian
Tomes from Pittsburgh, is going to be pitching on Wednesday night.
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We'll see what happens with that. And also the Bengals
believe in or Otter are in first place. I know
they stink. I know they had the worst loss in
its history, but the Bengals are in first place, as
is Deer Park High School in football. But until then,
your friend of mine, Brian Tom of Crossroads and Brian,
welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Brian Tom,
how are.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
You, William? I am great, Thanks for having me. I
would just tell you I don't know who Paul's Gaines is.
I did grew up in Pittsburgh's. I have forsaken Pittsburgh.
I've shaken it off my garments and turned my back
on it. I am Cincinnati and through and through, so
I don't know any players in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, he's the best pitcher in baseball and he's ten
and ten with the Pirates and they stink, as you know.
But he's going to get the Cy Young Award this year.
He's from LSU. But let's talk about more important issues.
You know, On a Sunday afternoon, I saddled up next
to my TV. I got a little popcorn, got me
a ginger ale. I like to watch football, like to
listen to the Bengals do whatever, and things are happening
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in Glendale, Arizona. Yesterday that was so dramatic. I don't
recall the last time I had a tear in my
eye on a Sunday afternoon watching Erica Kirk talk about
what Christ did on the Cross to the Roman soldiers
that beat him, skinned him alive, nailed him to a cross,
stuck a spear in his side, murdered him. And before
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the Christ died, he said, forgive them, Father, they know
not what they do. So when Erica yesterday said the
same thing about the murderer who put her husband down
in a bloody mess in Utah, and she said, I
forgive him. I know you've reflected often on the life
of Charlie Kirk. Give me your analysis about what happened
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yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I think what she said was profound and startling. Really,
I think there is a indeed when you need to
forgive somebody when you've been violated so much. Sometimes we
can say I forgive you, but we really haven't taken
the journey of forgiveness to really know what we're doing.
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Sometimes we have to mouth the words because you kind
of like to fake it until you make it. But
if you just say I forgive you before you actually
have in your heart, sometimes that can be counterproductive. Now
for missus Kirk, for her to say that is nothing
but healthy for her, it sounds great and phenomenal. I
don't know though, there's not many people who could make
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that full journey four days time. Generally it takes you
a bit longer. So in her stages of grief, I'm
sure she's gonna keep cycling back to, you know, bitterness
and all that stuff. It's part of what happens to
the cycle of cycles of grief. But unbelievably healthy for
her a great sign, and I myself to say it's
it's it's interesting how Christians are reacting to this. Not
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all Christians are are certainly on the right, but I
think it's important to note that you're not seeing rioting
and stuff like that that's happening with something that's taken
place because it's Christians. So when something happens us, we're
used to taking the tin. You don't you don't get up,
you don't get upset and start rioting because Jesus tells
us pick up your cross and follow me. Yeah, it's
just kind of what goes with the territory. Yeah, crappy
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stuff comes my way and I'm not going to whine
about it. It's just the way it is. That's that's
part of the call of Christ.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Not going to loot out the Apple store, go to
the Nike store. Televisions are safe, the community look within itself.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Secondly, what she said was so I think equally poignant
was the doctors told her she rushed from her home
to get to the emergency room. It took about it
ninety minutes to get there because she was three or
four hundred miles away, and when she got there, the
er doctors told her in her bodies in room three,
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and she said, can I need to see I need
to see Charlie. And of course they opened the door
and they shut the door. She went in and she
saw the dead body of her soulmate, Charlie Kirk. And
the doctors told her before she went in that if
this injury had taken place inside the er, it was
non survivable. And she said, when I, when I looked
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at Charlie's face, he had a little grin on it.
And she said, the reason he had that grin in
that split second between life and death, he saw the
face of Jesus. And I thought, oh, my gosh, is
that the way it works, Brian.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It is the way it works if you're a follower
of Christ and you received him. Yes, immediately, Jesus says
that to the guy on the cross, you mentioned one
of Jesus' seven sayings. He has seven things. One of
them is you know, forgive them not they know what
they do. Another one is today you'll be with me
in paradise. He says. That's the guy reaches out to
him and he just says, hey, remember me when you
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come in your kingdom. And the guy says, and Jesus says, today,
just see in paradise. So yeah, when someone like someone
who professes Christ and has received Him, when they're taken out,
there was an immediate immediate sense of oneeness with God.
So that could have been what his wife saw. It
also could have been if we take away if we
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take away the awful grief stricken, horrible circumstances of young
kids and a wife who is now a single mother
who's widowed, if we take away those horrible circumsits, which
of course you can't take it away. For someone to
die doing what you want to do, that's a dream death. Yeah,
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Like we need to have more immediate deaths, you know,
Like the thing is like I'm I'm gumming my cream
of wheat and I'm proving to my diapers. Yeah, there's
an old person. You know. We need more immediate deaths,
Like what's that? Whatever happened to good old fashioned American
heart attack at sixty three years old? Maybe he's start
eating more red meat and smoking cigarettes again, you know,
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and let alone when you die when you're doing exactly
what you love doing. And that's what Charlie Kirk was doing.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
All of us have friends and grandpa's that are languishing
and nursing homes being fed pablum, and they die horribly
over months or years. And that's no way to go. Now,
before we get on the issue of the day, which
is young men in crisis. Your branch of Christianity and
mine are roots in the same ground, the same tree.
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I'm a practicing Roman Catholic. I guess you're Evangelical, and
it's different branches the same tree. Rarely does someone like
Cardinal Dolan, the leader of Catholicism in America outside of
Pope Leo, but he's in the Vatican, said on Friday
that he compares Charlie Kirk to Saint Paul, Saul of
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Torses on the Road to Damascus, indispensable for the spreading
of Christianity, beheaded at the end of his life by
the Romans. Would you compare Charlie Kirk to Saint Paul
as Cardinal Dolan did, I would not not even close.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Now is this is where this is where people will
get really upset, because I want people to hear. What
I said before about Charlie Kirk is FRD. I've never
met the guy. I've never but I've seen enough clips
of him. He represented Christianity really well. He gave a
lot of good arguments for Christianity. He also think was phenomenal.
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He went into college campuses and gave open mics for
people who disagree with him. Are these are really really
great things. I think comparing him to Apostle Paul is
a bit out there. And here's why. One the Apostle
Paul wrote in Aaron Scriptures. God used him to write
things that are immortally saved in the Bible. The Apostle
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Paul was killed for his faith. Charlie Kirk was killed
for his politics, not for his faith. Three, the Apostle
Paul was one who was sent. That's what apostle was,
one who was sent. He was sent to bring salvation
to people. Charlie Kirk wasn't was doing amazing work and
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said amazing things. I don't if you look at what
he did though, he wasn't. He was to the place
is to bring people to Christ. So that may have happened.
He was going there to bring people to a specific
political viewpoint or opinion. He didn't hand out hats with
a cross on them. He handed out hats with Donald
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Trump on the hats. I mean he was used by God.
He was a Christian. You start telling being an apostle.
The levels of apostle. He didn't heal anybody, didn't put
his hands on anybody, he anybody, which is part of
the signs of an apostle. I think the good Cardinal's
probably going a bit too far there.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
All right, let's move the issue too. I've dealt with
these issues every three or four times a year. I
think you're a perfect recipient for these ideas about young
men in crisis. And let me give you some numbers.
Seven of ten of high school valedictorians are female. By
twenty thirty and five years college graduates will be two
to one female. Men are three times more likely to overdose.
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Men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women.
Men are fourteen times more likely to be jailed than women.
Ninety eight percent of mass shooters are male. That the
boys are four times more likely to be suspended in school.
If you're a black male, eight times more likely to
be suspended in school and at college. As far as
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women studies programs, there's eighteen times more celebration of women
in college than men. Men, shall we say, are in trouble.
The majority of college students are female. The majority of
law school students are female. The majority of medical school
students are all female. Want to look around Hamley County,
which is what we call home, Almost all the important
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positions are female. All three county commissioners are female. The
sheriff is a female, the chief of Police is a female,
The prosecutor is a female, The corner is a female.
Most of the judges are female. The presiding judges in
Common Police Court are female. Juvenile Court is female. Dr
Court MESSI Relations female, Probate Court female. All the federal
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bench controlled by females. The chief justice of a high
Supreme court female. Do you see a pattern, I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Just asking, yes, yes, absolutely the pattern. Yeah, you mentioned
one of the stats there. Some of your stuff is
anecdotal who holds what positions in government office, but I
think it's relevant. But you held one stat there. That's
You've got a lot of stats there build that are incontrovertible,
and really dig under. One of them is seventy percent
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of all drad school students are female. And we know
that historically he or she who has the most education
has the most opportunities in the most money. So men
are just dropping behind. They are dropping out. And it's
not like seventy percent of women's three percent of men,
because colleges have enrolled there, enrolled around, having forty percent
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more students something like that. No, it's just men are
being left and we actually start getting left behind in
about third grade. You know, women's or female's brains developed
faster than we do, and we start losing heart and
how the education process goes, we start giving up. Schools
today are not wired for men, are not wired for
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boys like you and me, Billy, we're the same way.
How many recesses you have when you're growing up in school?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Recess?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yes, When I grew up, we had little or no. Well,
I was in a classroom at Saint Savior Grades go
with forty students and one nun, and we were scared
to death. We might have gone out of here. I've
had to play a couple fifteen minutes. We can get
your ass back in here. And you sit there with
your hands and you listen, otherwise your knuckles are wrapped
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with a ruler and you were sweating. We were scared
to death. And males, but males drop out, Males use drugs,
males get drunk.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
We're not in leadership. And I said to my female
friends in charge, we need to p remative action for.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Men and for boys.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, explain why this is going on. Because men
are drugged, men are dropping out, men are on porn,
men are on all the gaming websites. These assassins recently
are young white male and the face of crime in
Cincinnati is a young black face. But the great majority
of young black men don't commit crime. But those who
do commit crime go to the Hamlin County Justice Center
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Brian Tome and look at the faces of those locked up,
and these are by liberal judges don't want to lock
up anybody. It's predominantly a young black male face.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Why is that? Yep, Yep, It's horrible. Yeah, the masculine
journey today is a horrible journey. Weird. We're doing a
horrible job raising young men. We're not giving them opportunities.
The deck is stacked against them. Yes, they are not.
In the conversation, and guess what. Guess what. All of
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these murderers, all the people who assassinate Charlie Kirk or
school shootings, there's a couple of things. They all are one.
They're all male, I can't think of a single one
is female. They're all male. Two obviously, the other one
they all have guns somehow, and then three the other
one that no one's they all game. Yeah, they have
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no social skills. They feel left out. They're used to
being in dark rooms where they isolate and and don't
have life giving friendships. Man, you take you take a
male and take him out of having a life giving friendship,
you have a person who is at risk. And what's
really scary about That's like when I have my son.
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I have my son and I realized, oh man, this
is like going to Rottwiler. If I don't if I
don't train him up, he is going to be a menace.
Because my girls are never gonna hurt anybody, but man,
my son boys will hurt you. And that's what's happening.
Once these men are so frustrated because they've fallen behind.
They don't have an education, they can't make a house payment,
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they don't see what their future is, they can't get
in the housing market. What are they going to turn to?
While we're seeing many of them turn to right now,
which is violence.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Well, Well, what's Crossroads doing about it? Because I've been
there one time with you, and there was family structure.
There were moms and dads with kids. Boys need guides
and boys need guardrails. When I grew up without a father,
I had guides all around me. I had Gordon Veterina
who I had Jerry Wood, I had Tom Griswold. All
my teachers were male. I didn't have a female teacher.
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I don't maybe I never had a female teacher. I
looked around and there were strong men in my life
kicking my ass on a regular basis. If I got
on line. That doesn't happen today. So what do you
do when a crossroads? They're corrected?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
All we worked really hard to have in our student ministry,
in our children's ministry, men who were there. You just
mentioned it really well. We need to have father figures,
older brother figures that are healthy. I had in sixth grade.
All the teachers in sixth grade were all men, Mister Benker,
mister Fisher, mister Kurtz, all of them. And that's not
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the way it is no today. So we it's crossroads.
We try to have men in positions so younger, younger
males can go, Oh, there's a role model. We also
and man Camp. Ban Camp's coming up in a few weeks. Oh,
we've got bear Grills coming in. Yeah. Bear Grill is
going to be a part of it. We've got Dante
Bo who's a Grammy Award winning artist. We've got some
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It's like men, get off the grid camp, have some
beers if you want to do beers, have the gar
around the campfire. Let's get experience to God and each other.
And we'll have thousands of people, thousands of people come
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Speaker 1 (16:43):
I write that down, Department of Education. This and one
other stat for you. Seventy seven percent of teachers in
elementary school in high school are female. And so you
grew up in a household without a male figure anywhere,
not involved in sports, and you're a gamerer living in
some fantasy world. Look you too much porn. You develop
an idea about life that is not real. Men need
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guides and they need guardrails, and right now we have neither.
Brian Tom give give the website for man Camp. I'm
gonna send Tony Bend in a man camp. Can you
tell me what that website.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Is, mancamp dot us, mancampt us. But let's not lose
the female thing here. Just one more point in this.
It's not just bill that we don't have men in
teaching positions. But here's the really sinister underbelly of it.
Women don't understand boys, and so you have a bunch
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of female teachers who don't know how to handle young
boys and therefore like freak out over it, like, hey,
you're really kids really acting up? She's acting up. He's
a nine year old kid. We used to have two
recesses a day. He used to come in with mud
caked all over my shoes. Everybody in the class did
That's the way it was. Now, Oh no, this person's
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probably get them on. Gime on some drugs, Throw on
some drugs and call him down a little bit so
I can handle them.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's a hard thing, well, mancamp dot us. Men need
harry S role models to keep them in line and
kick them when they need to be kicked. And without
that do we end up with a society we have
in which men are at risk. And I think we
need affirmative action for men. For Brian Tom, I loved
your comments about Charlie Kirk and Erica Kirk, and also
Saint Paul. Maybe you reached a bit too far, but
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he's certainly a positive in the life. And I think
he'll be bigger in death than he ever was in life.
And he was big in life. But they killed the messenger,
but the message remains. And Brian Tom Acrossroads, you're a
great American. Find out who Paul Skemes is and then
we'll talk further this year, later on this.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Year, Williams. Let's not make it too later on this year.
I always love talk.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
With him, my friend, God bless America. Thank you very much,
Brian Tone. All right, let's continue with more. That guy
knows what he's doing. Well, let's continue with our mancamp
dot us. Young men and boys, get your ass kicked
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