LIVE On Sunday NIght with Bill Cunningham 9/14/2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Now here's the man who's been recognized as radio's best,
the recipient of not one, but two prestigious Marconi Awards
for his broadcast exodence, the one and only Bill Cunningham.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Now I'm Billy Cunningham. The great Americans with a very
heavy heart together once again on this side night with
what happened on Wednesday around one pm UTAH time, and
the murder of Charlie Kirk in such a public way.
And I think it's premature to say whether or not
they have everyone involved in this political assassination, this ugly event.

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And the governor believes Governor believes Cox, he believes everyone
has been apprehended. There's no current suspects, but there's reporting
tonight from the New York Post and elsewhere that there's
other groups being looked at, and maybe there's something else,
Maybe there was some help given to him to get
this assassination done. According to a new report from the

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New York Post, investigators are digging deeper than just the
acut shooter of the murderer. They're looking to potential ties
to radical leftist groups. The probe is targeting the both
local outfits and Utah and also online networks, including users
of a gaming platform called Steam. This is from the
New York Post. Also one organization under investigation is something

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called Armed Queers SLC is drawing attention after suddenly pulls
its Instagram account following the assassination. They want to know
why other individuals, of course, may may not be involved
in this one thing.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
The roommate, the.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Lover of this cold blooded murderer, is transitioning, as the
governor said, the governor of Utah said the other day,
and I guess from his perspective he's being extremely cooperative,
which is probably a good idea with the FBI.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
The FBI is.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Reporting they've received quite a bit of useful information and
as a consequence, the roommate who's transitioning from a boy
to a girl has not been charged. What has been
most disgusting, and I'm sure you would agree with me
on this is the is the outpouring on one hand

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of love respect, whether it's Catholicism, Christianity, conservative communities of
every type, every description come forward in support of Charlie
Kirk's family.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
That remains, We're going to play for you. It's entirety.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Later on the words of Erica Kirk, who is the widow,
I can't believe I'm using that term with Erica, the
mother of a three and a half and one and
a half year old, And during this presentation on Friday night,
she said, my little girl said to me, Mommy, where's daddy.
Where's daddy? And Erica said, he's on a trip with Jesus.

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And that certainly is the case. And so I can't
imagine the whore they'll be feeling lying ahead to what
they have to go through. And I have quite a
bit of references to this and others, And if you
want to follow me on X it's at Willie Wi
l E seven hundred WLW, which is my home station

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at Willie, and I put lots of good stuff up
there about what's happening in regard to this, including the
fact today that all but three or four National Football
League teams honored Charlie Kirk, even the New York Yankees
did it, and having a moment of silence, but three
teams did not do it, including the Cincinnati Bengals, the
Detroit Lions, the Baltimore Ravens. We'll see what happens in

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the future. Other games are going on. I'm not sure
what's going to happen there. To watch this event transpire
and to see on the liberal progressive side exactly there
feelings about faith, Christianity, God, family in America. He really

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is totally despicable. How these individuals can live is kind
of beyond my capabilities to understand how they can say
to a man his main three principles or God, family,
and America, and those are not institutions and entities that
the radical left cares about whatsoever, because all those things

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provide restraint and pride, and of course no one they
cannot have that in their world. To go back in time,
you might recall that President Joe Biden said, quote, it's
time to put Trump in a bullseye. Quote the President
Joe Biden said before the shooting of Donald Trump, quote

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time to put Trump in a bullseye unquote. He later
said he shouldn't have said that. You might recall one
of the first speeches he gave about the so called
mega movement. I mean, who can argue trying to make
America great again? Well, the media argues with that, Liberals
professor's colleges argue with that constantly. He stood in front
of Independence Hall in Philadelphia, dressed in a bright red

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with two Marine guards standing behind him, talking about the
dangers of the Mega movement being essentially Nazis and being fascist.
We have Senator Chuck Schumer out in front of the
US Supreme Court when the Dobs decision was illegally leaked,
talking about you have created a whirlwind, Kavanaugh implicitly threatening

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Justice Cavanall with death. A few months later, an armed
gunman showed out in front of his house, Justice Kavanaugh's
home to murder Justice Kavanaugh. Then you have Steve Scalise
and the Republican leadership in the house of a baseball
practice in which Congressman brad Winstrop saved the life of
Steve Scalise. His goal was he was an MSNBC listener

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and a viewer, and of course he was a Senator
Sanders voter and a delegate. He wanted to decapitate the Republicans.
Eric Trump's going to be with you and I later
on tonight, Eric Trump was going to join us. He
gave an interview with Sean Hannity about two nights ago
in which he said, it appears the bullets are coming
in one direction. So you have the executive branch of

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government in which the president is calling for a bullseye
to be put on Donald Trump. And look what happened
in Butler County, Pennsylvania. You have the leader of the Senate,
the actual majority leader, which is really unbelievable. And then

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you also have the Steve Scale situation with three were wounded.
Steven Scalish would have been murdered except for the activities
of doctor brad Winstrip congressman. He was with him, So
each branch of government came at him. And if you
joined me in trying to watch, trying to watch on TikTok,
on YouTube, on x all what should be taken down?

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Hundreds of thousands, millions of comments of so called influencers
and others urging that more be killed. And of course
some of the names are the stars of conservatism, beginning
with JK.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Rowling and Matt.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Walsh, and of course Donald Trump, according to President Biden,
has a bullseye on him. Thank God, there was a
bad shot from that rooftop in Butler County, Pennsylvania. Ben Shapiro,
and Ben Shapiro is a proud man who's knocking to
cancel appearances, and it's going to be a college campuses.
God bless him. Elon Muskin and he know, and many others.

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There's a bulls eye, according to Joe Biden, on all
of us who think differently, and make no mistake about it.
This is the ideation and the proof that the evil Lucifer,
the devil exists, as does good, as does Jesus Christ,
as by God, by whatever first name you want to
call him, that also exists. And for every mountain there's

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a valley, every desert there's an ocean. By that, I
mean for every good act, there's a bad one. And
when I get to Heaven, I pray to God I
get there with you. I want to ask God Almighty,
at some point, tell me again why you would allow
the assassination, the murder of a husband and a father,
and a man like Charlie Kirk, who had done so
much in thirteen years and had planned to do so

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much more. Tell me why that happened? And I know
that Erica, based upon her comments on Friday Night, we
have the strength of character to be the kind of
mother and father she now must be. I know, financially
and emotionally. That'll be support for a.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
JD.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Vance, my friend and yours will be there at his side,
is well. Donald Trump and JD. Vance and was about
ten years older than Charlie Kirk. They were the best
of buddies. They would spend time arguing about Christianity's perspective,
whether it's Catholicism or whether it's Protestantism, and they would
go back and forth in a friendly way.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
There.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
I consider them branches, two different branches of the same tree,
and they would friendly argue about which is what.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Because JD.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Vance converted to Kontholicism about five years ago and attends
my church, and of course Charlie Kirk converted, I don't
know fifteen or sixteen years ago. Sometime in his teenage years.
He looked at American and said, you got to be
kidding me. We can't survive like this. He was correct.
Practically every major American city is in total collapse culturally, economically,

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high prices, lots of crime, sanctuary city status, terrible, schools
without available middle class jobs for anyone. It used to be,
as Charlie Kirk would often say, you know what, it
was true thirty or forty years ago, you could form
a family structure. Generally demand made enough money so the
mother the wife could stay home and raise the children.

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And there was a family structure. Right now because of
the taxes and expenses of living, you can't do that anymore.
So now certain other groups have gone after Charlie Kirk
and others in Turning Point USA, complaining about that. But
I want to set up tonight's show which I believe
it would be a tribute to Charlie and coming up
in about twenty minutes would be somewhat recent interview I

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had with Charlie Kirk. And somehow for many many years
we did not cross paths, and about two years three
years ago, in July or August of twenty twenty two,
our paths crossed when he had a book out called
the College Scam. How colleges are in doctrination centers. If
you're not at liberal by the time you come out,

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you'll be a liberal radical leftist by the by the
time you complete your degree. You come in as a
normal person. You kind of leave as a female with
rings in your nose and toes, and it's a marching
Marxist to come out. And that is the institutions in
which Charlie Kirk spent his ministry. Spend his time speaking
to those kids in a reason fashion. And some of

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the best conversations he had was about a transgender college
kid that would get the microphone prove me wrong, and
he would in a friendly, non confrontational, non violent way.
He always would say, when talking ends, that's essentially when
violence begins. He wanted to make sure it didn't happen.
I looked on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
A a.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Get together with Charlie Kirk at Penn State in which
a person stepped forward who was transitioning from a male
to female, and he was kind, he was understanding, but
he told this person that body parts can be changed,
that minds can be drugged, that hormones can be pumped
through a child system, but the DNA never changes. It's

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either xx or x Y, and the genome that identifies
what sex you are cannot be altered. And he essentially said, look,
I can put on blackface, that doesn't make me an
African American and he said, I can put on a
Penn State basketball jersey. I bet I can't make the team.
And if I put on a dress that doesn't make

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me a girl. It is what it is, and you've
been sold lies and please get help. I can't imagine
a fourteen or fifteen year old being permitted to gamble,
smoke cigarettes, or take illegal drugs.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
But guess what.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
The system will arise and tell that fourteen or fifteen
year old you know what. You can't change your genior
slash sex and becomes opposite gender by the mere expression thereof,
with proper hormonal treatments and eventually surgery, which has proven
in Western Europe to be a disaster.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
It doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
There's more suicides after transition than before, and it's painful.
For some odd reason, we have an American society, the
American Medical Association and American Pediatric Association, all of which
say you can have a child, a baby transferred genders
based upon expression and the proper ingest ingestation of hormones

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and drugs, which screws that person up permanently, and somehow
maybe the money's involved. Until about seven or eight years ago,
it was a mental disorder. Now it's supporting billions of
dollars in payments to children's hospitals all over the country.
How is that possible? It's true, the implementation of evil,
three principles, God, Family, and America. It's what Charlie Kirk

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preached all the days of his life.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
And he died.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
He was murdered doing exactly what he wanted to do
and the circumstances in which he wanted to live and
present himself. And I watched there was a ten minute
presentation before he was murdered in cold blood by a
liberal activist. And that liberal activist, according to the governor
of Utah, is living with in a romantic relationship with

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a transitioning person who is transitioning from male to female.
And the murderer waited until there's a question to ask
about transgenderism in order to murder Charlie Kirk. And I'm
suspicious only one person is involved. New York Post on
Saturday had some reporting on that. We'll see what happens,
but tonight, I seldom give tribute to one person in

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this century. You would have to say that Rush Limball
and Charlie Kirk, and of course my best friend in
media Sean hanned. Of the three horsemen that are trying
trying their best to present conservative principles two and now dead.
One am I say in a natural way, the great

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Rush Limball. The other was murdered because of what he
was saying and what he believed in. He murdered. He
was a martyr for his principles. So we're going to
play my interview with Charlie Kirk. For some reason, our
paths had not crossed until the middle of the summer
of twenty twenty two about his book The College Scam.
We're going to play that for you at the top

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of the next hour. After that we have Eric Trump,
who shall we say, the Trump family considers or considered
Charlie to be a fellow brother of theirs. It's going
to be with you to talk about the reaction of
the family. And later on as doctor John Brady, who's
a forensic psychologist from California who has studied mass murderers

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and assassinations, all of them for the past seventy years,
and he sees the continuing thread between Sir Hans, Sir
Han Harvey Oswald and James Earl Ray and Malcolm X
and Lee Harvey and all the rest that killed noted
political figures because they wanted to make a name for themselves,

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and they acted upon the information upon which they were
told garbage in, garbage out. At no point did this
cold blooded murderer in Utah get the truth about Charlie Kirk.
He listened and watch media that he wanted to watch
and listen to. He was a gamer, and he acted
upon what he was told. That this is a fascist.
Hey fascist? Catch was written by the murderer on a

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showcasing that killed Charlie Kirk. Where do you get that
phrase from? How about CNN and MSNBC. Let's continue with
more twenty three minutes after the hour, Bill Cunningham with
you every Sunday night.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Everything that should be up is down, Down is up.
America is hurting right now in about half the country's
doing an end zone dance, thinking it's a great thing.
When a husband and father is murdered in cold blood
in front of his family, they consider that to be
a good thing.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's kind of a bloodlust.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
You know.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
If you believe that freedom of speech is yours and
no one else's, especially your political opponents, you're wrong. If
no contrary evidence about the goodliness of turning point USA
and Charlie Kirk could change your beliefs. You're probably a fundamentalist,
untethered the reason if you believe the state should punish

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those with a contrary viewpoint, I e. Joe Biden saying
that Donald Trump has a bullseye on him. Chuck Schumer
implicitly says to attack Justice Kevanaugh now that Bernie Sanders'
supporter wants to decapitate the Republicans in the House at
a baseball practice. You're probably a totalitarian. And if you

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believe your political opponent should be punished with violence or death,
then you're a terrorist. Those advocating and applauding the murder
of this husband and father who held no political office
and simply wanted to talk with people that somehow that
was a good thing, then you're a terrorist. And one
thing I put on my ex account I want to

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share with you, I said last night late too much chatter,
an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
Relative to the murder of Charlie Kirk, we would be
left blind, unable to eat solid food. You and I
are hurting right now, but lift up your eyes, listen
to Erica Kirk, Listen to your better angels. Let's be

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sure the world is left better, not more vengeful, because
of what happened to Charlie. What would Charlie want you
to do? He wants you to go to a college campus.
He'd want you to volunteer. He wants you to get
involved with big brothers, big sis. He'd want you to
donate time in a pickleball tournament for some charity. He'd
want you to love the woman you're with, Ladies, love
the man you're with. He'd want you to ask your

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wife for a husband every day. How can I be
a better husband? How can I be a better wife?
Ask your moms and dads? How can I be a
better son or a daughter? After brothers and sisters? How
can I be a better brother to you and his sister?
Ask your employer? How can I be a better employee?
Submit yourself whoever you are? How can I be a
better talk show host? Coming up next is my interview

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with Charlie Kirk. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday Day,
Bully Cunningham, the great American. Charlie Kirk spent thirty one
years on this earth. He came out of the state
of Illinois and early got into politics his mom and dad.

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In fact, his father was an architect. At some point
to do he worked on the Trump Tower in Chicago.
He also, Charlie joined the member of the Boy Scouts
and earned the rank he was an Eagle Scout. Early
on he started reading books Milton Friedman and others. And
one of the best things I've seen recently is the
great one Mark Levin and Charlie kirk teeing it up

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together back and forth about Rousseau, about Kant, about the
founding of this country, and other of the great philosophers
of the past and present. And for some reason it
took a while, but he got a hold of me
in twenty twenty two, I think it was the summer
or fall. And one of the first things I said
to him off the air was and on the air,
I said, why haven't our past crossed before? And he said,

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I don't know. At some point they would have to,
I guess. And so from that point on we exchanged
messages thither and fro. But and I can't believe that.
I can't believe he's gone. Put him up there with
Rush Limbaugh, Milton Friedman put him up there with Waymouth Buckley,
William Rusher put him up there, Sean Hannity and others

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who had significant impact in the lives outweighing to an
extent the indoctrination from mainstream media types, from all the movies,
the films, the television shows, the colleges, universities, most of
the major labor unions, etc. And against all that, Charlie
Kirk said, not on my watch. He began at the

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age of eighteen with Turning Point USA and the rest
is history. So here is my interview. It was in
twenty twenty two with the great Charlie Kirk joining you,
and I now is Charlie Kirk. He's the author of
the College Scam and so much more, founder and executive
director of Turning Point USA. And Charlie Kirk, I think

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for the first time, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
And how we avoided each other these low these many years.
How's that possible?

Speaker 7 (21:53):
It's hard to believe that our paths were inevitably going
to cross.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
So honor to be here. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Talk to me about the reason because this is one
of the great scams, along with the energy scam. Along
with the Southern border scam in American history. When I
went to college, maybe when you went to college, it
was it was inexpensive. And I went to Xavier University
once a University of Toledo law school, took out some
minor student loans, paid them off within five years. I

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think when I came out and my wife came out,
we owed a total of about eighteen hundred dollars and
it took about five years that we wasn't a big deal.
Going back in time, what did this so called experts
say fifteen twenty years ago and looking forward to the
future as to how college would not only be important,
but it would be a scam. Describe the book the
college Scam and why it should apply today to men,

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women and their parents and grandparents.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Sure, yeah, I actually never went to college, which is
the reasons I wrote the book is that in some
ways I'm the best person and the worst person to
talk about how college is a scam. But I make
up for any deficit that I might have had in
personal experience with actually visiting over one hundred campuses at
Turning Point, USA and speaking at every corner you could
imagine in running a national Student organization. But look, I
mean in the book The College Scam, and people can

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get it at college scam dot com. We go through
a ten count indictment where we talk about the necessary
the failings of college and as if I am a
prosecutor and you are the jury, and so I make
it very, very factual because I know this topic and
somewhat controversial, and people get really fired up, and we

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go through every possible counter argument. Oh, Charlie, don't you
need a degree to be able to get a job.
Oh Charlie, isn't it necessary? Are they really that bad?
We talk about all of that, and I make the
argument that the vast majority of students that are going
to college should not be going at all.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
I make the argument there's almost.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
There's very little to any redeemable college or institutions left.
And I think that this is a multi trillion dollar
scam that has been thrown on the American people.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
It's right in front of us. We all know it
at some level.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
And yet we're putting up with it through taxpayer subsidies,
conservative donor donations, and also through our children, which is
the most disturbing thing. I mean, I was just talking
to somebody said, Charlie, you know, I love the fact
you're writing this book, but my kids are still going
to go to college because I want my kids to
be educated. Well, if you want your child to be educated,
definitely don't send them to college.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
The exact opposite will happen.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
In fact, when you're in college. What are two of
the three things parents don't know about that happens in
almost every college, including private schools. I can't tell you.
I have friends of mine with kids at Notre Dame
South Bend. One would perceive, Hey, my kid got admitted
to Notre Dame. And now what they're doing is taking
down the statues of previous presidents at Notre Dame are
putting claws around them so they can't be seen.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
So it isn't just public schools.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Like UCLA, Ohio State, Florida State, University of Texas in Austin. Austin,
Texas has become the San Francisco of the lone Star state.
But isn't it true that it's that this virus, so
this cancer sells a metastasized not just in large so
called land grand colleges, but also small colleges are maybe
the worst oval in college, for example, comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
But isn't it true.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
It's gone to almost every college, large and small, and
they produce marching Marxists who come out marching to the
tune with their red kershefs on about what they've learned,
and God help you with disagree?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Why? First of all, why did this happen? What's the reason?

Speaker 7 (25:18):
Well, look, I'll say this by the way, it's private
schools are sometimes even worse than the state schools. I
could tell you what because there's no oversight from local
state legislatures or governors.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
They just do whatever they want.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
But how did this happen?

Speaker 5 (25:30):
We talked about in the book. I don't have enough
time to build it out now. But happened?

Speaker 7 (25:33):
I mean, but you mentioned something interesting happened largely because
of this where someone says, yeah, my kids going to
Notre Dames.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 7 (25:38):
Most upper middle class parents live by carises to their
children and they don't care if their kid might become
some sort of non binary, transgender, vegan, left wing socialist,
open border anti American atheists as long as they could
say my kid went to Notre Dame, upper middle class
suburban parents. Unfortunately, I say this politely, but factually they
have pushed their children into psycho logical and spiritual and

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political confusion so they can brag to their neighbors that
their kid went to Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
When parents sit around in April, May June of every
year worship kid going to school. Well, my kids going
to University of Pittsboroh that's interesting. My kids going to
the University of Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well, that's good.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
And then someone says, my kid's going to Yale, my
kid's going to Harvard, And suddenly the chess is pumped out.
My kid's going to Yale. My kid's going to Harvard.
How do we, Charlie, how can we stop this for
the next generation when it is so inculcated and the
souls of the American people, parents say, my kid's going
to Princeton.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Oh great, well yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
Mean part of the problem is his parents have to
stop caring about that. But I mean, that's not gonna
happen anytime soon. But I'm trying to go about breaking
into this book. I mean, a stated goal of this
book is trying to decline college enrollment. This is not
just you know, this is not just something where I'm
saying these things. I want less kids to go to college.
I think it's a good thing for everybody. It's good
for the kids, good for the families, good for the country.

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And that's really on parents that are going to have
to say, you know what, college is not the right
option for my child. And I'm okay with that. Who
cares what your neighbors say, who cares your relatives say.
But I underestimated, and I've grown to learn in the
last couple of years the power of social pressure when
it comes to upper middle class, suburban families and the
trajectory of kids going to college.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
We got to fix it.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
And look this, I say this to conservative parents all
the time. I say, would you go send your kid
right now for four years to go learn from CNN?
Just go send to New York or go send to Atlanta.
That's colleges are worse. They're far worse. Let me share
what happens in college.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Let me share with you the comments of a second
grade teacher, not particularly applicable to the college scam your book.
But it's going to get to that point before we
talk about elder abuse, which is what's happening in Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
But out of the state of Illinois.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
A teacher, a second grade teacher said about her entire
classroom of nineteen second graders switch genders and pronouns. After
one student came forward, one of my students fell safe
enough to share his pronouns with me. And this is
an eight year old with pronouns. And when he did so,
once the class knew that, I knew, they all switch pronouns.

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They wanted to be called non buyinary or they wanted
to be called they. And so these are Charlie Kirk,
these are second graders. And a teachers told you must
address the student by the selective conscious pronoun as expressed
by an eight year old. Now, if that's not indictment
number eleven in your book, I don't know what would be.

Speaker 7 (28:36):
Yeah, And where did that teacher learn that? At a
teacher's college, at a university. And this is what I'm
trying to do also with this book. I'm trying to
connect two threads together that everyone knows exists. Your country's
becoming less free. And you see this transgender alphabet mafia
nonsense happening in local communities.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Why do you think that's happening?

Speaker 7 (28:53):
They get it from the colleges, and so stop getting
money to your colleges Red states, defund them completely and
totally together. I believe that every Red state should defund
the humanities and only support science, technology, engineering, in math,
and allow.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Them not to go woke.

Speaker 7 (29:07):
Make the lesbian dance theory. People go raise their own money.
Not one collar of taxpayer money should go to the humanities, period.
Make them go fund themselves, Go get money from Bill
Gates or whatever you do, or from Bezos or all
these other people. So look, if you see these teachers
that are teaching these things kids with pronouns, all roads
lead to college.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
And secondly, a teacher in round Rock Independent Schools in
Texas told reporters that she was not supposed to inform
parents if a student reveal they identify as non binary
or transgender. In most states Blue states, they have rules
and regulations that if a ten or eleven year old
comes out and a different gender, they do not notify

(29:51):
parents about the treatments given to under eighteen year old
children in school. And they also don't notify parents they're
their daughter. And I think I think females have babies.
I might be wrong, but I think only females have
babies if they're fourteen, fifteen years old and they're on
birth control pills, that they don't notify the parents.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
How evil is that?

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Well, yeah, and that's been going on for quite a while.
Finally parents are waking up to it, not to mention
the pornography that is being taught to.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Kids every single day in these schools.

Speaker 7 (30:21):
But where would such an idea happen? Where you want
don't want to notify parents? In colleges they teach your
parents are wrong, they're outdated, and we need a new normal.
It all goes back to colleges funded largely by Republican
politicians that have allowed the albatross of these colleges to continue,
Conservative donors and conservative parents that send their kids to
these institutions.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Charlie Kirk, I've developed the last few weeks of theory
that Joe Biden is a victim of elder abuse.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Let me explain.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Elder abuse occurs when family members are those connected to
older folks that can't control their own affairs, manipulate and
use them for their benefits and not the benefit of
the old person. Joe Biden, if you look at the
video of three or four years ago, or five years
ago as he left the vice presidency, he looked completely
different five six years ago than he looks today, obviously

(31:12):
because of COVID nineteen. He had brain fog before he
contracted COVID nineteen, and now he's seriously going to have
more problems. But the Democratic Party needed a vehicle, an
empty vehicle to transport their Marxist socialist ideas all over Washington,
all over the country. And whether it's his family taking
advantage of Joe Biden, shall we say, financially Hunter Biden.

(31:34):
But I do believe for many years Joe Biden knew
exactly what was going on with the financial scams in
the Ukraine, Russia and China. He was benefiting, he was
the big guy. But recently he's not mentally alert and
doesn't know what's going on. And so in a sense,
the Democratic Party wonted an empty vessel. And now that
the vehicle has wrecked, the Biden presidency is in shambles

(31:56):
at this particular point, they're going to throw him overboard
and find someone else. I you, Charlie Kirk, is Joe
Biden mentally competent to be the President of the United
States today?

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Well? No, of course, not.

Speaker 7 (32:08):
I mean, most people know that it's insane, and I mean, look,
he is a vessel, he is just a puppet. I
do fear for what comes next. I don't think he's
going to run in twenty twenty four. I think he
was a means to the end. He was a bridge
to try to bring the Democrats into power. And what
comes next.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
We shall see.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
But I think the biggest concern that we have in
front of us right now is to make sure our
elections stay fair. We need to be fair and fix
them completely and totally. And look, I think the Democrats
are going to have a They're going to have a primary.
We'll see what happens. I think Gavin Newsom might run,
and we'll see who else.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Lastly, this previous weekend, you put together the big deal
Turning Point USA, and I think a poll was done
of those thousands in attendance as far as their preferential
candidate in twenty twenty four. And of course what's happening
with the January sixth Commission, which I guess is in recess.
It'll be going on as long as as long as
CNN needs time to be filled.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
But nonetheless, who won the poll?

Speaker 4 (33:07):
But other than Donald Trump who won the poll, and
secondly who was well received.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
We had Donald Trump one convincingly, and the poll was
brought to you by Turning Point Action, our sister political organization,
and then coming up in second not in second was
of course Ronda Sants is nineteen percent. But I also
want to say though, that we did another question, which
is if not Trump, then who Ron DeSantis got eighty
three percent of that vote. So if Trump does not run,

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eighty three percent, and so that goes to show really
the state of the Republican Party right now that there
is really no appetit or desire amongst the conservative base
of anything outside of Trump or DeSantis. And there is
a belief and there is a support right now of
Trump that he has earned the right to run for
a third time.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
No question.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
I can only imagine if Trump was still in the
White House and now Eric Trump with bags of cash
flew around the Ukraine, China and Russia, collecting thirty million
dollars and giving a cut to the big guy. What
would the Congress do with Eric Trump collecting thirty million dollars?
And what would the media do if a daughter of

(34:16):
Donald Trump came out in a diary and talked about
showering with her dad and how those events so colored
her life that she became a drug addict and became
addicted to sex with the media would have.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Done to that.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Can you imagine Trump's in the White House and there's
truthful evidence coming out that Eric Trump traveled the world
to collect bags of cash to partially to give to
his dad. What would the media have done with that?

Speaker 7 (34:41):
I think he would be in jail by now, that's
for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
He'd be on work release, all right.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Once again, Charlie Kirk, thank you for coming on the
Bill Cunningham Show. The book is the college scam. It's
everywhere and good luck and I'm just thankful that you're
out there helping young folks and parents understand the scam
that is most of the colleges. Charlie Kirk, thank you
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Thank you, thanks so much.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I was in July of twenty twenty two a college scam.
Charlie Kirk applied to West Point, was not admitted. He
went one semester to college, didn't like it, thought it
was worthless. Self educated with some of the greatest scholars
of our time in conservatism, and all you can say
is Charlie Kirk lived along in a productive life as

(35:26):
short as it was thirty being murdered at the age
of thirty one, we're left to imagine what would have happened.
Would he have become the president maybe number forty nine
or fifty, what he had five or six children? Would
he have had fifteen or twenty grandchildren? The impact is unknown,
so is Erica. His wife said on Friday night that

(35:46):
you and I have got to pick up the banner
and run forward and make sure that his death was
not in vain. She called him a martyr. Of course
he was a martyr. And I just pray to God
that when the messenger is or that the message will continue. Well,
let's continue with more. And I mentioned three years ago
what would have happened to Eric Trump was traveling the world,

(36:08):
picking up cash all over the place from the from
the nation's enemies and giving a cut to Donald What
would have happened you heard what what Charlie Kirk said,
He'd be in jail. Well, absolutely, But that same Joe
Biden a few years later said, put a bullseye on
Donald Trump, and he later apologized for it. But the

(36:30):
left I don't think he had much of a problem
with Donald Trump being eliminated. Which are the words of
Congressman Dan Goldman of New York City, who said, loud
and proud, without objection from CNN, that Donald Trump needs
to be eliminated. So, if you're a left wing bigot,
if your mind has turned to mush that you're a gamer,

(36:52):
and you watch MSNBC and CNN and read all the
periodicals about how evil Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk, Charlie
Kirk are and were, and you act upon it. Are
they unindicted co conspirators? How does a president say, put
a bulls eye on Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
And get away with it. Let's continue with more.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Bill Cunningham, the Great American, with you every Sunday night. God,
as fortune would have it, I mentioned in my interview
with Charlie Kirk. You just heard Eric Trump. He's going
to join us in about ten minutes from our a
lago to talk about the legacy of Charlie Kirk. And
later on we're going to play the words of Eric Kirk.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
The widow.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
The wife have a hard time saying widow with such
a beautiful woman and mother only thirty five years old.
Then also later on we'll be doctor John Brady from
California about a line drawn for all the political assassinations,
how to predict them and why they take place. So
let's continue with more. Eric Trump is next. Bill Cunningham,
say a prayer for the family of Charlie Kirk. With

(37:58):
you every Sunday.

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Speaker 4 (38:55):
Mary Trump, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. He
wrote this what the System has done to you and
your family?

Speaker 9 (39:04):
You know, Bill, I mean, the title of the book
is so fitting underseash right. It's exactly what they've done
to my father, It's exactly what they did to my family.
It's exactly what they've done to our movement. I really
in the book, I get into kind of the you know,
the behind the scenes stories you know of the assassination
attemps against my father, you know, both of them, the
one Father Pennsylvania, the one pomp Beach. You know, all
the weaponizations, the impeachments, the taking my father off the

(39:28):
ballot in two different states in Maine, Colorado, What they
tried to do to the Kavanagh, the weaponization.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Of ages of DA's.

Speaker 9 (39:35):
You know, the gag orders of my father, trying to
put him in prison. What they did to me, the
one hundred and twelve subpoenas I got, What they did
to our company. They tried to bankrupt us, They tried
to break our family apart. I mean, they did everything
humanly possible. They threw all of us off of Instagram
and Facebook and Twitter. They tried to remove our voice,
you know, and then they tried to kill my father.

(39:56):
As I said before twice, you know, I may look
what they Look what they did to Steve Scalise. Now
look what they did to Charlie Kirk. I mean, the
bullets are only flying one way. And that's what this is.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It is a siege. That's why I called them.

Speaker 9 (40:08):
I mean, even before I chose the name of Under Siege,
I chose the name of this book before Butler, Pennsylvania
because of all of what they were doing to us
on a legal, law fair side, and you know, a
monetary side, and all the games of the radical left
in this country. And then they tried to shoot my father.
Now they've shot you know, Charlie, which which you know,

(40:29):
I mean, he symbolized an entire movement for for tens
and tens of millions of youthful Americans who love this country,
love our proud, love our flag, are proud of our country,
you know. And now you watch and effectively high definition
TV as blood's coming out of his neck. And by
the grace of God, my father didn't have the same fate,

(40:51):
you know, fourteen months ago when they tried to kill him.
And by the grace of God, in Palm Beach, a
secret Service guy saw Maniac hiding behind a tree, being
in the bushes with an AK forty seven.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
This is the siege.

Speaker 9 (41:04):
Do they want to try and eliminate our party? They
want to try and eliminate the powerful voices of our party.
They want to use every form of law fair and
political weaponization to try and destroy bankthrupt and frankly inflict harm.
And it's exactly I mean the timing of me publishing
this and announcing the book. You know, everybody can buy

(41:25):
it on Amazon. It's I believe me, The New York
Times are not gonna want people to read this. They're
going to do everything they can to keep me off
the bestseller list. But I mean, the timing of this,
given what happened yesterday. I mean, Charlie was a dear
friend of mine. I met him when he was twenty
one years old. He came into my office in New
York when I think at the time he had bill
maybe six or seven chapters for a turning point in
the entire country, and he had these incredible aspirations of

(41:47):
what he was going to do and a movement he
was going to build, and how he was going to
transform college campuses all across the country.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And he did it.

Speaker 9 (41:55):
And I don't think there's been anybody, you know, more
effective at turning out youth vote this nation than Charlie.
I mean, he's a miraculous person. He was a dear friend.
I've sat on that stage with Charlie, I mean dozens,
maybe hundreds of times across the country, and you know,
to see a good friend gone and just to see
exactly what's happened to our entire family. Continue to be

(42:17):
propelled by these absolute psychopathic lunatics is freaking, you know,
heartbreaking and truly makes everybody in this country distraught.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Eric Trump.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
The thing about Charlie is I don't know too many
eighteen year olds who say, you know what, I can
self teach myself more than I'm going to learn in college.
That generally produces marching Marxists who come out hating Jews,
hitting the country, hating family. And so I'll do it
myself to have that guy when he was eighteen years old. Hell,
it couldn't legally buy a beer to begin a movement

(42:52):
that ultimately resulted in turning point usay thousands on college campuses.
And I'll say it early, I'll say it again. No
one person was more responsible for the election of your
dad of the presidency in twenty twenty four than Charlie Kirk.
In fact, what was thrown at your family is the

(43:13):
hand of God had to be involved because there was
no way that you went through Letitia James, You went
through New York City criminal prosecutions, you went through Fanny
Willis and Nathan Wade. That crap you went through Smith.
You went through all that stuff. No family who weren't
billionaires could have even got as far as you got.
But that wasn't good enough. In Butler County, Charlie Kirk

(43:34):
in the video I watched it once.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
It's awful. That was your dad.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Your father's brain should have been all over a Butler
County facility there in Pennsylvania. But for the hand of God,
your dad took his turn to the right to point
out a chart. Otherwise he would have been murdered, and
that didn't stop him. In fact, the man on trial
now on the second attempt in your father's life now
on his so called manifesto, said Donald Trump say threat

(44:00):
to democracy. Now, where have we heard that before?

Speaker 9 (44:04):
Yeah, it's really amazing how the bullets are only flying
in one direction. And as I said before, they tried
to kill Kavanaugh, they tried to kill Steve Scalice, they
tried to kill my father twice. Now they've killed Charlie Kirk.
I mean, they tried to kill us in every other way, right,
you know, in terms of you know, they wanted to
see me in jail, they want to see my father
in jail. It's exactly what Underseage talks about right. I

(44:26):
mean the lay at siege is to surround it's just
imprison it to ultimately with the goal of total elimination.
They are going after the most powerful people in this movement,
and they will stop at nothing. They will use the law,
you know, the legal system. They will use the political system.
They will use corruption. They will weaponize financial institutions. Half

(44:48):
of your listeners on here, and I spent a lot
of time talking about it in the book Got the
Banked Got deplatformed, you know, lost bank accounts at at
at wells Argo and at JP Morgan and at Capital
One and so many other banks.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I mean just stripts.

Speaker 9 (45:02):
You know why, because they believed in They were Republicans,
they were conservatives, they believed in God, they believed in faith.
They wore a hat that said make America great again,
you know. And when they realized they were losing right,
they resorted to violence. When they realized they lost all
seven swing states, when they realized Bill that they lost
the popular vote, when they realized that every state in

(45:23):
the country, every state shifted to the right substantially. In California,
we won eleven counties that we had never won before
we won Miami Dade by eleven percent, a county that
has not gone Republican in thirty seven years. We won
Miami Dade by eleven percent. So not only did we
flip it, but we want it by a supermajority bill.

(45:45):
They are petrified of what's happening in this country. They
are petrified of the movement, and that's why these people
are resorting to physical violence. And it's heartbreaking and it's horrible,
and it's exactly what I talk about in the book
Under Siege.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's exactly what I wrote about.

Speaker 9 (46:00):
And as I said, it's absolutely tragic that this book
came out two days before Charlie was assassinated. It just
hits the point home that these people will stoop to
any levels to stop the greatest political movement this country.
He's ever seen Eric Trump.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
The other factor, I know you probably haven't done this,
but online the vitriol the city comments on the left
are unbridled. I've seen college professors say Charlie Kirk is dead,
rest in peace, you son of a You know what.
I watched the aneshesiologists from Miami, a doctor, a female
doctors calling Charlie Kirk a piece of human excrement, and

(46:38):
they're applauding his murder. There's thousands, maybe millions online. There's
a website saying go to Hell, Charlie Kirk, in which
thousands are The hate is unbridled, and this, you know,
I like to think in three or four days, okay,
it'll pick up. The New York Times obituary was disgusting,
awful your hometown. I think you now live in Florida.

(46:59):
But nonetheless us this will not stop the left. They're
going to have three or four days where MSNBC may
fire a commentator or two for making like Matthew Daub
stupid comments.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
But this will come back.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
They're gonna lay low and come back harder because the
messenger is dead.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
They killed the messenger. Now they want to destroy the message.

Speaker 9 (47:18):
You know what I'm saying, Well, I thought they I
thought they were the tolerant left. Isn't that what they
always tell everybody? You know, the tolerant left. There's nothing
tolerant about them. You know how many envelopes of white
powder I've received in the mail? You know how many
times Laura's opened up a package right and all of
a sudden, white powder comes flying out all over our
you know, all over our kitchen. You know, there's nothing

(47:39):
tolerant about these people. You know, I mean times people
have tried to spit in our faces, and you know,
this is what they do when when the argument is lost,
when they can't argue back, you know what they do,
they resort to violence. And that's what they've done the
entire time. They resort to violence, They resort to slander,
they resort to absolute corruption, they resort to law air

(47:59):
and that's what they've done. They put our party under siege.
Is they put our family under siege. They put all
of us under siege. They put our movement, you know,
under siege. And thank God, as a family, it's only
by the grace of God that we had a lot
of zeros on the back of our name, and we
should afford to fight the bs. And it's only by
the grace of God that we have awfully loud voices

(48:19):
and awfully allowed platforms to communicate on. Albeit, censorship is
one of the biggest themes of the book, which is
the way they tried to censor the hell out of
all of us. I mean, I didn't grow a single
follower on Instagram, you know, for a you know, for
an eight year period of time, because all the dials
were turned down. My father was thrown off of Twitter
like a dog. I mean, they left Boka Haram, they

(48:40):
left the Ayahtolah, they left the Taliban, they left all.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
These terrorist organizations on on Twitter.

Speaker 9 (48:46):
But yet, you know, the forty fifth president of the
United States, you do the hell of a job in
this country and is beloved by all, gets thrown off
like a dog, right And so they try and take
your voice away, They try and take your ability to
communicate away. But the only thing that saved us was
our our you know, the fact that we were able
to fight it financially and the fact that we had
a loud enough voice that we could go out and

(49:07):
fight it in the media.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
And that's the only thing that kept us alive.

Speaker 9 (49:09):
The vast majority of people, you know, in the country
and the world do not have either. They neither have
the voice nor do they have the financial means, you know,
and that's what.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
They count on.

Speaker 9 (49:19):
Look at these poor people from January sixth I mean,
you had people, you had grandmothers who went through the
capital to take a picture, take a selfie in the capital.
You know, they were able to break into all of
their phones. But you know, it isn't ironic that the
you know, the Butler shooter. You know, it isn't ironic
that they haven't been able to get into the Butler
shooters phone, but yet they were able to get into
the iPhones. They were every single grandmother who walked through,

(49:40):
you know, the Capitol, like I call BS on that,
and and so you know, that's why I don't think
anybody's going to like this book coming out.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I think that's probably.

Speaker 9 (49:48):
Why New York Times is going to do everything they
can to keep me off the New York Times bestseller list,
certainly from being number one. I don't think they're exactly
going to love my message. But I think with Charlie
and he was a dear friend and God bless his wife,
who I know, well they got blessed his children. I mean,
I loved the man dearly. Don loved him as a
I mean it was a second brother to Don. And

(50:11):
you know, in your heart breaks, and this is just
what these people do. They can't help themselves. They don't
know any other way, and it's because they've lost they've
lost their voice, they've lost the argument they've lost their
narrative and they know they're you know, and so they
resort to violence.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I pray to God.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
When my last interview with Charlie, I talked about our
major cities twenty four to twenty five controlled completely by
the Democrat Party. You can't walk the streets, the school
system is in complete collapse. Violence is ubiquitous. Your father
tries to help DC and finally Marrio Bowser bend the
knee a little bit. But he's trying to go into
other major American cities and hopefully at some point the

(50:49):
citizens who put these clowns in charge, and I reference
New York City, they went through a hell of a
period with David Dinkins. After that came Rudy and then
Bloomberg for twenty years it was glory. Now going back
the other direction in New York City, your hometown is
about to elect a communist from Uganda who promises to
defund the police and open up Rikers Island.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And also Eric Trump.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
I'm looking at a poll from the Gallop about college kids,
where Charlie Kirk did most of his good work. Thirty
five percent of college students say Americans have too much freedom.
Another result of a poll, twenty five percent of college
students in America forty five thousand college students resurveyed join
at one college is twenty five percent of liberal college
students approved of using violence to stop campus speech. Think

(51:36):
about the marketplace of ideas should be a college campus.
They're being doctrinated to think to kill Charlie Kirk, twenty
five percent say, well, that's the cost of what he did.

Speaker 9 (51:49):
I mean, it's almost impossible to even respond to. I mean,
it's really amazing. If you look at Dinkins to Giuliani,
I mean, it was one good leader in a city
completely turned around and did so instantly. If you look
at my father in Washington, d C. It took him
three weeks to change the direction of a city where
you went from you know, twelve to fifteen murders on

(52:11):
a long weekend to having zero.

Speaker 10 (52:14):
Right.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
I mean, think about I'm a father, I've got two
of the most beautiful kids. Think about the amount of
moms and dads who have their children alive and breathing,
and they don't even know that their lives were spared
just by having law and order, you know. And then
you look at Governor Pritzker in obviously you know Illinois,
and he doesn't give two dams. He doesn't care about

(52:35):
the violence, he doesn't care about solving these problems. You
know what the difference is. You know the Chicago police.
I know all of them, and they're incredible people. I've
got a big building there. I'd spend a lot of
time building in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
And guess what.

Speaker 9 (52:48):
When you turn on your cops and you prosecute them
every single day, and you go after them civilly and
you handcuff them and you demonize them, guess what, They're
going to lose the motivation to do their job. They've
done the exact same day thing with the NYPD, one
of the greatest police forces anywhere on Earth. You let
the NYPD arrest the bad guys, you take the handcuffs

(53:08):
off of them, you stop the games, you stop the
the you know the nonsense. The NYPD will have that
city perfect, zero crime, beautiful overnight. I mean why because
they're not allowed to touch anybody and they're not allowed
to arrest anybody. And if they do, you know, they've
they've lost any kind of immunity that they had as
law enforcement agents. And and this is the problem, Like

(53:30):
with proper leadership, you could clean up these cities instantaneously,
you know. But the problem is there is no leadership
in these cities, nor is there any desire, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
And and it's heartbreaking, I mean the last and not least,
though I don't mean to belong winded about this. You're
the most beautiful.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
Girl the other day in Charlotte get her neck cut
by a sociopath. You at four fourteen times he was
a let out of jail. Fourteen times. You had a judge,
a radical left judge, who made the guy effectively sign
a you know, I promised to not get in trouble again.

(54:09):
The guy signs a post it note, goes out, sits
on a train. The girl sits there, coming back from
her pizza shift, and he slices her throat and she's dead.
Have we not lost our damn minds of the country?

Speaker 10 (54:24):
You know?

Speaker 9 (54:24):
And this is why we fight, like I don't you
know me, like I don't need this job. This is
why we fight because we're losing all sense of you know.
And this is exactly why my father overperforms so much.
It's why we won the popular vote, It's why we
won all the swing states. It's why we won those
places that I referenced before, Miami Dade County by eleven

(54:45):
points when it's never been won by Republican Again, America
wants common sense back, it wants to stop the violence,
and you know, it's God, it's so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Eric Trump.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Lastly, Charles, I think of Charlie Kirks when he was
on Fox in the morning and I watched his little
daughter run up to him jump in their dad's lap,
and there's such a sense of foreboding I have. My
heart is broken. I'm thinking, where are we going to
go from here? Because the young folks need leadership badly.
What message would you and your family give to those

(55:19):
that are downtrodden, that are broken, that feel as if
the freedom of speech assembly means nothing that they've won again,
what message would the Trump family give give to Americans
that are just broken?

Speaker 9 (55:33):
Well, I think, first of all, we're on the winning
side of this argument, and we proved then the last selection,
and we proved it decisively, And I think that's why
evil is lashing out.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Now.

Speaker 9 (55:42):
You know, they lost the debate and so they resorting
to violence because.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
They lost the narrative. They know they did.

Speaker 9 (55:48):
They have no platform they have, you know, I mean
in every category that they lost, in every demographic they lost.
We live in the greatest nation on earth. That nation
is on a purtu jectree right now than ever before,
you know, And and when we can't let that evil rain,
I mean we can't. We've we've got the best company,
best country, we've got the best society, we've.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Got the best rule of law anywhere in the world.
As challenged as it.

Speaker 9 (56:14):
Often feels, and believe me, over the last ten years,
you know, as I wrote this book, it's certainly felt challenged.
But we have the greatest nation on earth, and we
finally have good leadership, and we're going to make sure
this kind of craft doesn't happen again. And you know,
my blessings go out to Charlie, who's a dear friend
of mine, like a dear dear friend of mine. My
blessings go out to the Erica and especially those kids

(56:35):
that that video that you're referencing right now at Fox
News where the daughter runs up and jumps on his
lap on the Kurby couch. It's it's beyond heartbreaking. It's
beyond heartbreaking. I mean as a guy who sat on
that stage with Charlie two hundred times, and as a
guy who's sat on that very stage by myself thousands
of times over the last twelve years. It's mortifying, it's heartbreaking.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
And you know, Trump, thank you. The book is under siege,
available for order. I say, do it for Charlie. Do
it for Charlie, Do it for Charlie. Eric Trump, thank
you very much, Thank God, bless you. Let's continue with more.
Bill Cunningham, the Great American, live with you every Sunday night.
Billy Cunningham. You can sense from the comments of Eric
Trump that the Trump family was extremely close to Charlie.

(57:21):
And let's face it, I don't think there were too
many persons in the world more responsible for the election
of Donald Trump, not just in twenty sixteen, but especially
especially in twenty twenty four without Charlie Kirk Kamala Harris
might be the president.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Think about that one for a while. Let's continue with more.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Coming up next to doctor John Brady, go Cunningham with
you every Sunday night. Will continue to read the reports
of the background of this cold blood murderer. I'm very
reluctant to use his name to give him no pub whatsoever.
Thank God he was arrested, and I pray to God
in Epstein's situation does not take place where this murderer

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is gonna have to uh face justice at some point.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Joan, you and I now is doctor John Brady.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
He's an expert when it comes to mass murder of
respected culture analyst and commentator. He studied the psychology and
radicalization and the ways persons latch onto a high profile
act of violence and a dangerous copycat dynamic. And this
I relatable course to the to the murder of Charlie Kirk.

(58:25):
And once again, doctor John Brady, headquartered in California, welcome
to the Bill Cunningham Show. So, first of all, just
you know, just in general, give us a background of
this murder and how it relates to like Mangioni and others.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Is that that you have to look at.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
First of all, you have to look at the symbolic
value of a case like this, and then you have
to look at the expressive part of the case. The
symbolic value is based on as you know, as an
attorney on men's ray on a guilty mind, you have
to prove the expressive part is the actual actress ray
or actually the taking of a life. So as we

(59:08):
go back retrospectively to look at this defendant, we have
to try and piece together whatever whatever information is available there.
There's a lot of wild stuff out on the internet.
What I tried to do in the in the post
analysis of my cases like sir hand, sir hand, like
like uh, the murdered Robert Kennedy with with the uniboble,

(59:33):
with other kids. I try and fit together and in
kind of an actious sketch pad, to fit together the
pieces that we have in order to form a composite
picture of this murderer.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
What as far as the dynamic. He appears to come
from a good family and appears his father was in
law enforcement. The neighbors who have given interviews saying this
murderer lived a good life, He was a good kid,
and so what was the process of radicalization? Also a
gamer had Antifa elements. What was the radicalization process that

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we have to look for?

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
Okay, so look at let's look at the symbolic part
of the crime, the evidence that he left behind. Supposedly
we don't have that much evidence, but as you tease
it out and when you look at it, there's a
lot of psychological evidence concerning what he left behind. For example,
the markings on the shell casings, those are very suggestive

(01:00:34):
of his intent at the time, his motive at the time,
his identification with a group that's perhaps much larger than
he is, such as Antifa or another politically oriented group.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
My experience has been when you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
Look at people like like Sir Hand, Sir Hand, they
leave a clear track of information and evidence that you
were able to retrospectively piece back together and say, this
is the motive that this particular person had in order
to commit this crime. With this perpetrator, the possibility is

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very similar to Luigi Mangioni, a twenty four year old
that killed the CEO of United Healthcare in New York
City on December fourth of last year. Very similar profile.
You mentioned, good family, you mentioned intelligent. All those features
fit into this present defended. He was intelligent, just like Mangioni.

(01:01:38):
He had very high scores, he had a scholarship. But
that doesn't preclude intelligence. Bill doesn't preclude an offender from
becoming radicalized or becoming kind of self radicalized into this
alternative world where they become the ultimate arbiter. They become

(01:02:02):
the martyr, they become the person set up as the
one who's going to tell society how to run society,
who should live and who should die.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
And one of the one of the marketings and one
of the casings was hey fascist, catch And so when
I hear the media the last several days to well,
what's the motive why?

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, Well, in that the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Motive that he listened to YouTube and TikTok and believe
Charlie Kirk was a fascist, he said, hey, fascist, catch
the bullet?

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
And that is that an indication of his motive?

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Yeah? I think it's. I think it's you know, your
an attorney, You've you've had clients where you have to
speak to motive. I think it's more complicated than that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
It's not just that simple. It's an it's a.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
Complete ideology that these young people have. Bill I call
it ideology tourism, that these people that are existentially lonely
to cut off, that they get involved into video games,
as he would report to have been with these violent,
awful games. Some of the of the of the symbolic

(01:03:06):
UH markings on the on the shellcasings came from one
video game that's a very violent expression of killing. So
I think there's a as you go into it further,
it's more than just I don't like this this right
wing uh uh firebrand who is influence, who's an influencer.

(01:03:32):
I think it's much deeper than that, and I think
it goes into his identification with a lot of of
of possible movements such as as effective altruism. I'm sure
you've heard that term, but effective altruism is running around.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
The country like the like COVID was.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
It's an expression of the these people adhere to where
they they set themselves up as being altruistic and only
their values are the ones that should be represented in society.
It's kind of a machia Bellian situation where Mangioni certainly
had this effective altruism where they can express themselves and

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they may know the best way to treat people in society,
irrespective of what the moral codes and the laws are
that govern the country.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Doctor John Brady has now come out that his roommate
was transgender, and I the FBI I said a day
or two ago that this transgender roommate has been very
cooperative and I've given all the messages buying between the
two of them, back and forth between the transgender roommate
and also the murderer, And he waited, Charlie Kirk about

(01:04:48):
he was killed about ten eleven minutes into it, and
it was answering a question about transgenderism when he was shocked.
Was that the serendipitous moment for the murderer because there
was a big loud speaker system and it's relatable that
on that roof that the murderer could hear what was
being said. So did he wait for the transgender question
to kill Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
I think I think there. I mean that that's a
good point, though I think there's other triggers that that
set this guy off into this murderous path. I think
the thought of its transgender, the notion that he even
wrote wrote about being gay, he wrote about you know,

(01:05:29):
catch this, He wrote about fascism, He wrote about things
that were symbolically self destructive and destructive of others. So
I think the the gay thing may figure into this
defendant's background, but I think it's a larger ideology based
on on on movements like Antifa, the the the case

(01:05:55):
markings with the Italian Bella Bella Chow Chow Bella is
a very significant based on the fact that this goes
back to the Second World War in Italy where there
was the anti fascist movement, and this is this is
a is a symbolic statement made by the anti fascist
that spread throughout Europe, Germany, Austria, et cetera, adopted by

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United States groups such as Antifa that are the anti fascist.
But actually it's it's really gas lighting because they're doing
the exact things that they accuse other people of doing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Often happens with the liberals as far as they accuse
the other side of engaging in their behavior. Doctor John Brady,
you have a statement about this. You're a forensic psychologist
and you've studied this. Yes, Is there anything about the
murderers symbolic choices that could prevent future assassinations fueled by

(01:06:56):
political hatred that I've seen online so much I can't
watch them anymore the liberals if I can't watch it.
But is anything we're can to learn about preventing future
assassinations fueled by political hatred and political lives and falsehoods
that are in concrete no matter what the facts are.
The murderer didn't want to hear the facts about the family,
the Christian the beliefs of Charlie Kirk. He wanted him dead.

(01:07:18):
Anything we can learn from this to stop future assassinations.

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
Difficulties and the blessing of this country is a free society,
so you really can't monitor everybody what you can do
early on, and this is.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
What Charlie Kirk was best at.

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
He tried to instill family Christian values into a whole
agnostic segment of society that was somewhat resistant to it.
So I think the church is probably the church, the mosque,
the temple, other places are probably good starting grounds to
produce people that don't identify with alternative radical groups and

(01:07:59):
end up as assassin's This is exactly what happened to
Luigi Mangioni. Same background, almost the same age, from a
very good family. He becomes self radicalized and disappears into
the into this alternative reality. He even physically left uh

(01:08:19):
Pennsylvania and he went to to to Hawaii. He gets
involved in this commune where he kind of surrenders his
identity to no other than Ted Kazinski, the unibomber, So
he identifies with Ted Kazinsky the unibomber. What I would
like to see in Charlie's killer. I would like to

(01:08:40):
see his emails. I want to see who he identified with.
I want to see if he had anti heroes like
like Sir Hans, Sirhan had, like MANGIONI had. Who did
this guy identify with? Where did he get these alternative
values of hate and directed at at at Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
You have a segment here about uh fascism and also
what role does the media and cultural rhetoric play and
creating environments right for copycut copycat violence. UH Trump derangement
syndrome began about ten years ago, and uh, I look
at the libs of TikTok. You cannot watch what's happening
more than six or seven. Namely, they they look like

(01:09:23):
educated white females with metal in their nose and ears,
and they're they're they're the TikTokers, the influencers. One woman
has six million followers and she's doing a dance about
Charlie is dead, his nuts like a bloody water fountain.
And she has six million followers. And this is where
they get the information. And then you got ABC, NBC
and CBS putting guests on every guest calls trumpet fascists,

(01:09:47):
a Hitler and Nazi and uh anyone that disagrees with
liberal ideology is somehow uh uh a fascist and communist
or whatever. So what role does the media play in
promoting in visuals like these murderers? What role does the
mainstream media also lives at tiptok?

Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
Yeah, I think what's important is that is that the
media pays more attention to commentators like you and myself
that put us into a balanced perspective, trying to look
for the first causes, the first causes of what happens
when somebody becomes radicalized. Obviously, the media that you reference

(01:10:28):
only knows a very small piece You can only see
a very small piece of that iceberg of this guy's
mental state. What I'm trying to do with you, and
I'm trying to recreate his mental instability that led him
to this particular juncture in his life. His life is

(01:10:48):
pretty effectively now over. I understand that, But I also
want to understand why he did it, and maybe that
can lead us forward to preventing other people. Like I said,
the institutions of the United States are being challenged like
never before. All institutions are being challenged with the school,
the church, particularly the family. The left is diabolically set

(01:11:15):
up to destroy the unity of this country, which is
subverted a into a socialist country, as witnessed by Mandami
in New York City. What we can do is we
can counter that information that comes out from the babbling media,

(01:11:35):
the babbling left wing media that don't have any facts.
They're not psychologists, they're not an attorney like you are.
They can't put this stuff into perspective. They're filled with hate,
and we need to present a balanced story of how
we can prevent people like this defendant from from being
a hero or an anti hero to other people, just

(01:11:58):
like Mangioni's here was Ted Kazinsky. Can you imagine having
Ted Kazinsky as your hero? Okay, And both these guys
are high IQ, super intelligent people. The defendant had very
high ACT scores. You and I took those forty five
years ago to get into college and law school, very

(01:12:20):
high act scores, got a scholarship. What was in a
perfect neighborhood, raised by raised by Mormon parents who were Republican.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
So it just shows you the.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Power of this of the these movements like effective altruism.
In my book coming Out, which is called Breakdown, I
have a whole section which which is called the Power
of the the the the ideology tourism can be stronger

(01:12:55):
than a drug.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Oh, I'll tell you what, doctor John. Ready, when that's out,
let me know, we'll get you back on. But I
fear we're in a terrible time.

Speaker 6 (01:13:05):
I want to get you a couple signed copies because
I really appreciate you, know, you getting out the word,
spreading the word that we've got to stop this kind
of stuff. One way to stop it is to be
able to analyze these people, to figure out what made them,
what made them commit these particular heinous crimes against such
a great American hero like Charlie Kirk got to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Run doctor John Brady book coming Out, Breakdown, And uh,
I just fear we're in a good time. And Charlie
Kirk believed in three main principles God, family in America,
and that the radical left they're godless, they're not in
shall we say, family structure of any type, and they
don't believe in this country. In fact, they want to

(01:13:49):
leave the country and destroy it. When you want to
destroy a place, you don't believe in it, Doctor John Brady.
Up against the clock, we got to go, but once again,
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show head Gordon, California.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
Yes, thank you so much of the time, though I
look forward to talking to you after my book comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
God Bless America, Doctor John Brady, thank you very much.
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Let's continue with more your comments, of course, and after
top of the next hour, we're going to replay for
you the words of Erica Kirk. She expressed Friday Night,
which is a rallying cry for God family in America.
The dreamer may have been murdered, but the dream must live.

(01:14:30):
Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday Night, by Billy cunning
in the Great America. And I guess it is good
academically to study the minds of these political assassins that
are mainly different than other mass killings of one type
or another. When the school kids were killed in the
Upper Midwest and Minnesota, Minneapolis and then that particular school,

(01:14:53):
and then those kids were killed because they were Catholic
and they were sitting in a mass That's why they
were killed. There wasn't much politics involved, and that says killers,
mass killers, and so there is some common thread that
goes in between and out of those political assassinations. Now,
let's face it, have terrible, awful, awful consequences and result
in changing the body politics. I could not imagine what

(01:15:15):
would have happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania, for example, if
Donald Trump had been murdered like Charlie Kirk. What the
world would look like today with Kamala Harris as the
president and let's face it, Tim Waltz as the vice president.
Are you kidding me that that's how close we've come?
But uh, doctor John Bretty, when the book comes out,

(01:15:36):
I want to see it. Let's continue. Coming up next
on Friday Night, Erica Kirk, the lovely widow, the wife
of Charlie Kirk, went on National TV and gave a
few remarks. So we're going to play for you her
remarks and their completeness, and.

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Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
I'm Billy Cunningham. On Friday night, UH Erica Kirk. I
was watching, of course, UH Fox News, and it came
on that Erica Kirk was making a statement. It was powerful,
it was unbelievable, and I wanted to, as I said
earlier tonight, I wanted to plan for you in its entirety,
and it's one of the most touching things I've ever heard.

(01:17:13):
When she was finished, I had tears in my eyes
because what that woman, that mother's going through is so
unfair and so wrong. But here are the words of
ry Kirk that she expressed to you and to me
and to the American people Friday night.

Speaker 11 (01:17:26):
Good evening. My name is Erica Kirk. Charlie Kirk is
my husband.

Speaker 10 (01:17:34):
I first want to thank the local, state, and federal
law enforcement who worked tirelessly to capture my husband's assassin
so that he can be brought to justice. I want
to thank the first responders who struggled heroically heroically to
save Charles's life, and the police who acted bravely to

(01:18:00):
make sure that there were no other victims on that
terrible afternoon. I want to thank the officers who have
protected our Turning Point USA family these past two days.
And I want to thank the Turning Point USA Board,
the COO Justin Strive, and my husband's chief of staff,

(01:18:22):
the amazing Mikey McCoy, for all their work in these
terrible days to be the stability for our family and
for the wider Turning Point USA family as well. My
heart is with every one of my husband's employees who
lost a friend and a mentor. I want to thank

(01:18:45):
the staffers of his amazing Charlie Kirk Show who helped
him broadcast from this studio, this.

Speaker 11 (01:18:58):
This chair every day. You loved it, he loved what
he did.

Speaker 10 (01:19:06):
I want to thank the millions of people who have
shown their love for Charlie here in Phoenix.

Speaker 11 (01:19:12):
Across America and worldwide.

Speaker 10 (01:19:17):
I want to thank my husband's dear friend, Vice President
Vance and his phenomenal wife Usha.

Speaker 11 (01:19:27):
For their love and support.

Speaker 10 (01:19:30):
You guys honored my husband so well bringing him home.

Speaker 11 (01:19:37):
You both are tremendous.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
I want to thank President Trump and his incredible family
for the same. Mister President, my husband loved.

Speaker 12 (01:19:52):
You, and he knew that you loved him too. He
did Your friendship was amazing. You supported him so well
as did he for you.

Speaker 10 (01:20:13):
Two days ago, my husband Charlie went to see the
face of his Savior and his God. Charlie always said
that when he was gone, he wanted to be remembered
for his courage and for his faith. And one of
the final conversations that he had on this earth, my

(01:20:37):
husband witnessed for his.

Speaker 11 (01:20:39):
Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 10 (01:20:46):
Now and for all eternity, he will stand at his
Savior's side wearing the glorious crown of a murder.

Speaker 11 (01:20:58):
Charlie loved loved life. He loved his life. He loved America.

Speaker 10 (01:21:07):
He loved nature, which helped him always bring him closer
to God. He loved the Chicago Cubs, and my goodness
did he loved the Oregon Ducks. He want me to say,
go Ducks, so I have to since they play on Saturday,
so go Ducks. But most of all, Charlie loved his children,

(01:21:36):
and he loved me with all of his heart.

Speaker 11 (01:21:40):
And I knew that every day. I knew that he made.

Speaker 10 (01:21:44):
Sure I knew that every day, every day he would
ask me, how can I serve you better?

Speaker 11 (01:21:50):
How can I be a better husband, How can I
be a better father? Every day?

Speaker 10 (01:21:54):
Every day was such a good man. He still is
a good man. He was the perfect father, He was
the perfect husband. Charlie always believed that God's design for
marriage and the family was absolutely amazing. And it is
it is, and it was the greatest joy of his life.

Speaker 11 (01:22:17):
And over and over he would tell.

Speaker 10 (01:22:22):
All these young people to come and find their future spouse,
become wives and husbands and parents. And the reason why
is because he wanted you all to experience what he
had and still has. He wanted everyone to bring Heaven
into this earth through love and joy that comes from

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raising a family.

Speaker 11 (01:22:45):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 10 (01:22:49):
Charlie always said that if he ever ran for office.
I know a lot of you asked if he ever
was going to But privately he told me, if he
ever did run for office, that his top priority would be.

Speaker 11 (01:23:01):
To revive the American family. That was his priority.

Speaker 10 (01:23:09):
One of Charlie's favorite Bible verses was Ephesians five, verse
twenty five, Husbands.

Speaker 11 (01:23:20):
Love your wives.

Speaker 10 (01:23:25):
As Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.
My husband laid down his life for me, for our nation,
for our children. He showed the ultimate and true covenantal love.

Speaker 11 (01:23:47):
I will never ever.

Speaker 10 (01:23:50):
Have the words to describe the loss that I feel
in my heart. I honestly have no idea what any
of this means.

Speaker 11 (01:23:59):
I know that God does, but I don't. But Charlie, baby,
I know you do too. I know you do, so
does our Lord. And our world is filled with evil.

Speaker 10 (01:24:16):
But our God, you guys are God is so good,
so incredibly good. And we know that for those who
love God, all things work together for good, for those
who are called according to His purpose.

Speaker 11 (01:24:37):
Already I have seen the worldwide outpouring of love for
my husband.

Speaker 10 (01:24:43):
I've heard the testimonies from people my husband inspired to
get married, to start.

Speaker 11 (01:24:48):
Families, to seek out a relationship with God. It's the
most important, most important one of all that you.

Speaker 10 (01:25:02):
Responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they
have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message
of patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love.

Speaker 11 (01:25:22):
They should all know this.

Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before,
you have no idea. You have no idea what you
just have unleashed across this entire country, in this world.

Speaker 11 (01:25:43):
You have no idea.

Speaker 10 (01:25:46):
You have no idea the fire that you have ignited
within this wife, the cries of this widow will echo
around the world like a battle cry. To everyone listening
tonight across America. The movement my husband.

Speaker 11 (01:26:08):
Built will not die. It won't. I refuse to let
that happen. It will not die. All of us will
refuse to let that happen.

Speaker 10 (01:26:22):
No one will ever forget my husband's name, and I
will make sure of it. It will become stronger, bolder, louder,
and greater than ever. My husband's mission will not end,
not even for a moment. And one of Charlie's greatest

(01:26:45):
talents was his ability, this phenomenal ability to choose great
people to follow him. He could always find the ones
who could handle any setback. And it's almost like he knew,
he just he could see it in you, even when
you couldn't see it in yourself.

Speaker 11 (01:27:01):
He just knew. He knew you could handle it. You
thought you only had five percent left, and he knew
you at fifteen. He knew you were ready to go
that extra mile, even when you didn't. He always challenged
people around him to work harder and to be better.

Speaker 10 (01:27:18):
He never gave up, and I love knowing that one
of his mottos was never surrender.

Speaker 11 (01:27:28):
So I want to tell you that we'll never surrender.
We never will ever ever. Our campus tour this.

Speaker 10 (01:27:40):
Fall will continue. There will be even more tours in
the years to come. America Fast here in Phoenix, this
December will go on. It will be greater than ever.
The radio and podcast show that he was so.

Speaker 11 (01:27:59):
Proud of.

Speaker 10 (01:28:02):
Will go on, and in a world filled with chaos, doubt,
and uncertainty, my husband's voice will remain, and it will
ring out louder and more clearly than ever, and his
wisdom will endure.

Speaker 11 (01:28:20):
My favorite my favorite too.

Speaker 10 (01:28:22):
But my husband's favorite word in the English language was earn.
He would call all of you to be people of
action who earn the future America deserves. So to all
of the young people who felt inspired by my husband's
faith and hard work, all of you already know what Charlie.

Speaker 11 (01:28:47):
Would want you to do.

Speaker 10 (01:28:49):
You know, you know, if you're in high school or
if you're in college, go find your local Turning Point
USA chapter, join it, stay involved.

Speaker 11 (01:29:05):
He wants you to make a difference, and you can.
You can.

Speaker 10 (01:29:11):
The movement's not going anywhere, and it will only grow
stronger when you join it. There isn't a chapter. You
can't find one, then start one. There is no excuse.
You can start one. And as my husband used to
stay in this room every single day, if you want
to get involved, the best way you can do that

(01:29:31):
is going to TPUSA dot com. That's what he would
say every day from this chair, every single day. I
watched his show every day and he would always say,
if you want to get involved, go to TPUSA dot com.

Speaker 11 (01:29:44):
If you're a pastor, join our movement at TPUSA Faith.

Speaker 10 (01:29:48):
And if you're a parent, I highly recommend that you
come to America Fest in December. Sign up right now
for that because we would love to see you. I
would love to see you, Charlie Wood. He'll be there,
He'll be there in spirit. Bring your kids, bring your family.

(01:30:09):
But most important of all, if you aren't a member
of a church, I beg you to join one, a
Bible believing church.

Speaker 11 (01:30:18):
Our battle is.

Speaker 10 (01:30:19):
Not simply a political one. Above all, it is spiritual.
It is spiritual.

Speaker 11 (01:30:24):
The spiritual warfare is palpable.

Speaker 10 (01:30:30):
Charlie loved his savior with all of his heart, and
he wanted every one of you to know him too.
He wanted everyone to know that if they confess, if
they confess the Lord Jesus Christ who rose from the dead,
then they will be saved. Hear me when I say this.

(01:30:53):
Nobody is ever too young to know the gospel. Nobody
we're too young to get involved with saving this beautiful country,
this country my husband loved and still loves.

Speaker 11 (01:31:08):
And nobody is ever too old either. There's no age limit.

Speaker 10 (01:31:15):
I know my husband is still here, he's watching over us.
I don't remember the last time I slept. I couldn't
sleep last night. And Charlie, Baby, Charlie, I promise I

(01:31:39):
will never let your legacy die. Baby, I won't. I
promise I'll make turning point us say the biggest thing
that this nation has ever seen.

Speaker 11 (01:31:50):
I promise. Oh, Charlie, I love you.

Speaker 10 (01:31:55):
I love you, Baby. Rest in the arms of our
Lord as he blankets you with the words, I know
your heart always strived to hear. Well done, my good
and faithful servant. When I got home last night, Gigi,

(01:32:21):
our daughter, just ran into my arms and I talked
to her and she said, Mommy, I missed you, I said,
I missed you too, Baby.

Speaker 11 (01:32:32):
She goes, where's daddy? What do you tell a three
year old? She's three? I said, baby, Daddy loves you
so much. Don't you worry.

Speaker 10 (01:32:45):
He's on a work trip with Jesus so he can
afford your blueberry budget. And my goodness, am I so
humbled to witness Haly you alongside Jesus right now doing
what you always want to do, baby, making heaven crowded, right,

(01:33:08):
That's what it's all about, making Heaven crowded.

Speaker 11 (01:33:16):
I can't wait to see you again one day.

Speaker 10 (01:33:22):
Thank you all again, who loved my husband, who supported him,
who wrote him an email every single day during his
radio show.

Speaker 11 (01:33:31):
He read all of them, all of them. God bless
you all, and make God bless America once again.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Erica Kirk, thanks for those words. Once again. I need
clean X.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
It's incredible what your husband sacrificed for us, and I pray.
I know his sacrifice will not be in vain and
that turning Point USA will continue bigger and better than ever.
I know the talk radio host community is with you.
One Bill Cunningham with you and all the American people

(01:34:12):
every every every Sunday Night, Billy Cunningham, and uh, we
continue and never stop. We simply continue the idea that
a teenage boy who had no shall we say, formal

(01:34:35):
college education, the college scam, could accomplish what Erica's husband accomplished.
Charlie is really a testament to God, to Jesus Christ
and so many others. I wanted to thank her again
for the comments that she had and I'm gonna I'm
gonna vow to God Almighty, I'm gonna work with Turning

(01:34:55):
Point USA in the future to make sure that the
legacy of Charlie Kirk continues well into the future. I
know that Erica and his two kids are going to
be well supported, most importantly spiritually and emotionally. Let's continue
with more coming up next to Terry Donovan. She stepped
forward in Charlotte to be the Republican nominee against the

(01:35:17):
incompetent Democratic mayor. Has been there for about eight years.
She's up next, Also about Charlie Kirk. Go Cunningham with
you every summer, Billy Cunningham, the great American. Of course,

(01:35:40):
every American city is hurting, I've often said to many,
and difficult circumstances. Can America be a great nation if
forty nine of the top fifty American cities are a
near collapse? And what's happening in Charlotte and what happened
to that brave immigrant refugee from Ukraine is similar what's
happened in every major American city. If you if you're

(01:36:02):
listening listening tonight in Chicago, if you're listening in New
York City or Spokane, if you're if you're listening in Cincinnati,
the same stuff's going on everywhere. And uh, Charlotte, North
Carolina was in the national media recently because of the
vicious murder of Arena Zauska, twenty three years old, a
refugee from from Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
A little bit of a background.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
About four years three or four years ago, the President
Joe Biden said, if you're a Ukrainian and you will
like some refugee status, will move you to the top
of the list. Though, so Irena and a couple family
members came and said yes, we'll do it. Came here
with nothing and they were just settled in Charlotte, North Carolina.
She was working in a great pizza parlor. She was

(01:36:45):
working there's an odd concept when she happened to sit
in front of Carlos Brown, thirty four years old, mentally ill,
who slid her throat and killed her. And uh, suddenly
we get the history of Carlos Brown and sadly the
mayor of Charlotte who got seventy one percent of the
primary last Tuesday in a field race. And she's been

(01:37:06):
in office since twenty seventeen. Her name is Mayor of
I Lyles, and seemingly, unless someone stops her, she's gonna
win again. Stops her at the ballot box, She's gonna
win again and be the Mayor of Charlotte. Joining you
and I now is Terry Donovan. She's the Republican nominee
stood up and said, choose me. I'll try this against

(01:37:27):
Mayor I Lyles. But Terry Donovan, welcome, I think for
the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Terry,
first of all, tell the American people what is the
status of Charlotte, North Carolina compared to what it was
thirty or forty years ago.

Speaker 13 (01:37:45):
It's horrific.

Speaker 14 (01:37:48):
I mean, we can't even we have four violent crimes
per day. Violent crimes we have in the first half
of last year, we had approximately eighteen thousands largnes and thefts.
We have a huge, huge issue with teenage crime. So

(01:38:08):
a lot of times, when you know, we're asleep at night,
people don't realize they're actually teenagers roaming through the streets,
stealing packages, breaking into homes, stealing cars. You know, I
live in a very nice neighborhood and it's happening even
in the neighborhood that I live in. I also happen
to serve on my board, my community board, and so

(01:38:34):
one of the things that really woke me up is saying, ah,
you know this, nobody's lying about this crime thing. I mean,
this is a real, real issue. You know, you'll hear
people say, oh, they're just exaggerating this, or they're exaggerating that. No, no, no,
I mean I have video footage from you know, incidents

(01:38:54):
that have happened in my own community, and it's just
a matter of people waking up, you know, because this
could have been their daughter, This could have been my niece,
this could have been your.

Speaker 13 (01:39:08):
Child that this happened to. It's completely unacceptable.

Speaker 14 (01:39:11):
It never should have happened, and de Carlos Brown never
should have been walking around on our streets after being
arrested fourteen times.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
Well, Terry, if you would have just happened to be
on that commuter train and sat down that evening in
front of in front of De Carlos Brown, this interview
would not be taking place. Whoever just happened to sit
there would have their throats sliced by this career criminal.
Describe a little bit about his history. We have to

(01:39:40):
talk about Charlie Kirk here, but describe a little bit
about his history and the failure of this city administration
to deal with it.

Speaker 14 (01:39:48):
Well, that's the biggest issue that we are trying to
point out is that this just never should have happened.
I mean, this man had been arrested for violent crimes
fourteen times.

Speaker 13 (01:39:59):
He was so arrested less.

Speaker 14 (01:40:02):
Than a year ago for assaulting his own sister, you know,
And I understand that his mother had been trying to
get him help, and you know, she's saying that she couldn't,
and you know, God bless her.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
I do.

Speaker 13 (01:40:16):
I do feel for.

Speaker 14 (01:40:17):
This mother because I understand we have a mental health
issue in this country as well.

Speaker 6 (01:40:22):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
And I get that.

Speaker 14 (01:40:24):
I mean myself, I know people who there's just there's
not a lot of options for them, but the answer
is not to let them roam around on our streets.
We absolutely can't. We cannot do this.

Speaker 13 (01:40:40):
How many more of them are there? Probably one hundreds
just in our city.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Well, Los Angeles has about something in the range of
eighty thousand homeless. Los Angeles also has about two hundred
thousand gang members. Charlotte, which is a beautiful city, is destroyed.
The Cincinnati where I live was beautiful city. It's been
destroyed by gang violence and by roving gangs looking for
people to first of all, steal from and then maybe

(01:41:10):
beat up or kill just for the hell of it.
Does public school system and Cincinnati cannot be attended have
terrible grace. Does Charlotte do a great job educating its
public school students?

Speaker 14 (01:41:20):
No, No, not at all. And we have a lot
of New City new school board Republican members running for
school board as well, and I really hope that, you know,
we can get some of them elected in November.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Yeah, let's talk.

Speaker 14 (01:41:38):
Absolutely have to The issue that we have right now
is that I believe that the majority of Americans have
completely disconnected. They just have their heads in the clouds.
They are so frustrated they feel like they can't change anything.
Half of them have stopped voting, they've stopped paying attention.

Speaker 13 (01:41:59):
They're more just trying.

Speaker 14 (01:42:00):
To get your life and numb themselves from the pain
of everything that we're dealing with, and they just don't
even engage with You know, people don't watch the news
because I mean, sorry, but a lot of news is
just so one sided and it's edited and they lie.
Nobody's really reporting what is truly going on in this city.

(01:42:22):
When the mayor did finally come out and make a statement,
she called the media her media partners, and you know
that's exactly what it is, media partners for this leadership.
And so you know, it's a huge, huge conflict of interest.
Nobody's reporting the real deal about what's going on anymore

(01:42:44):
in our communities. And you know, the people whoever is
making these decisions, which I really don't know who that is,
but this cannot continue because it's going to impact them. Eventually,
It's going to be their son, their daughter that just
happens to We have got to change the way that
media is being handled in this country, not only.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
You know TV that I'm talking.

Speaker 14 (01:43:09):
Social media as well.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
Well.

Speaker 13 (01:43:11):
We've got to make changes, and we need to do
it fast.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
I hope.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
All I have is hope when I look electorally. Vy
Lyles received seventy one percent of the primary vote on
Tuesday in the Democratic primary. The last time she ran,
she got seventy seven percent of the vote. She calls
the partners in the media. They work with her. They
don't objectively report facts. As far as crime and Charlotte,
I see right now that the president Mason soldiers troops

(01:43:40):
in the Memphis and that the Memphis mayor, who's the
complete Putts, said the crime's down. I see Brandon Johnson
crimes down, Cincinnati, f Puerival crimes down. New York City
crime is down. Los Angeles crime is down?

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Is crime down? Is crime down?

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Lying?

Speaker 14 (01:43:56):
They're lying, They're lying. Somebody, please, you're us They aren't buying.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
Yeah, let's talk a minute about Charlie Kirk and what
that reveals about the progressive left in America. I was
I was on the air Wednesday afternoon about two forty
five when there was a flash of Fox News that
he had been shot, and then within about a half
an hour it was obvious he could not survive. And
Charlie Kirk gave his life for the cause. And so

(01:44:25):
you said something to me off the air which is
going to stick for me for a while. When I
first introduced myself to you and you to me, and
I said, why are you doing this, Terry Donovan? You
have a good life. You're running as a Republican in
a seventy five percent democratic city. And Charlie Kirk, when
he was eighteen years old, said, and you know, I
want to change the world and didn't go to college

(01:44:48):
and he spent He said, I want to convince college
kids in liberal towns in the acc where you are, Charlotte. Now,
I want to convince liberals, liberals in Arizona and Utah
kids get them when they're young that you can't believe
what you're being told on YouTube and TikTok. And why
is Terry Donovan running as a Republican in a thoroughly

(01:45:09):
democratic city. Almost to me look like a Charlie Kirk
who's tilting at windmills wanting to change things. But Charlie
Kirk's life end and I'm sure yours were not for
a long time. But why are you stepping forward making
this tough race for November?

Speaker 14 (01:45:24):
Well, just so you know, the date that I signed
up to run for mayor was July eighteenth. That was
actually the deadline to file. And we actually did have
another candidate who was slated to run, and he actually
pulled out, and he pulled out at the very last minute,
and honestly, it really left everybody in a shuffle and

(01:45:44):
in a very bad position.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
So I signed up.

Speaker 13 (01:45:48):
I stepped up.

Speaker 14 (01:45:49):
This was definitely not on my radar, This was not
on my agenda. But I cannot live in this city
and feel good about it and see my neighbors and
just know that we're being live to about the crime stats,
and I can't just sit back and do nothing. And
I'm also you know, I'm trying to run on just

(01:46:11):
one thing, common sense.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:46:14):
We I think we've also got to stop being so divisive.

Speaker 13 (01:46:17):
We've got to stop saying, you.

Speaker 14 (01:46:19):
Know, Republicans, Democrat, this red blue, that we need to
talk about unity. We've got to unite. We've got to
start talking about common sense solutions and just lifting everybody up.
I mean, this tragedy with Turley Kirk, I'll be honest
with you. My nephew is here with me right now,

(01:46:40):
and he just graduated from Liberty University and he and
my niece also graduated from there, and you know, they
both grew up, you know, listening to him and I
have had been following him, you know, on Instagram for
a while, and I mean, yeah, a great guy, great guy.
I mean, it's just so to you can't put it

(01:47:03):
into words, honestly, It really just it's all happened so fast.
It was Arenia, the incident with Arenia on August twenty second,
and then Charlie Kirk on September tenth, and now here
we are, and honestly, I think that a lot of
people right now are just feeling numb gone and we

(01:47:23):
just so to answer your question, when I signed up
to do this, these incidents had not even occurred. Now,
after these incidents occurred, the intensity of my you know,
campaign and my focus on my campaign has essentially skyrocketed
because I I'm absolutely getting you know, pulled in a

(01:47:46):
lot of different directions right now from media and so forth.
So I'm just gonna, you know, take this day by
day and pray. And I know my nephew is here
with me and he has been praying with me daily,
and you know, I just really hope that people will
wake up and understand that the path that we're on again,

(01:48:08):
it could have been them that it's happened to, right,
it could have been their child that has happened to.
This is just no longer about oh, I'm just going
to vote for a Democrat or a Republican. It's about
we've got to vote for change, you.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Know, Terry Donovan and Charlotte, North Carolina. Whether it's the
housing issue, the Democrats always run about reducing housing in
New York City, the Mandami, the comedie talks about rent freezes,
which means expenses will rise markedly. By having less supply,
you're going to have a greater demand, which means the
rents are going to rise. In all other areas, whether

(01:48:44):
it's the housing costs, the crime, the public schools, the
liveability issue, every major American city is going through what
Charlotte's gone through. If we had a so called legitimate
media that actually did independent reporting and what's happening on
major American cities. In Cincinnati, we're going to have two
thousand cars stolen this year, We're going to have something
arranged at twenty thousand car break ins. And I'm thinking

(01:49:05):
of our little city here has three hundred thousand people,
one of the most violent places in America, and the
mayor refuses to accept the offer of the governor. It's
going to be down to two days a month. He
can have the National Guard. I'm sorry, two days a month,
have the Highway Patrol come to Cincinnati. They don't want
to look bad and so, and by Lyles's case, the

(01:49:26):
incompetent mayor, she's going to run a campaign. I'm okay,
you're okay. I'm a Democrat, she's a Republican. She's never
run anything before, and therefore stick with the status quo
of high crime, terrible public schools, high price in housing,
no accountability, infrastructure is melting, and she'll likely be re
elected in the minds of some. And I pray to

(01:49:47):
God that Terry Donovan, you can overcome this. As I
open other major American cities. We can't live like this
kind of jolting from crisis to crisis, waiting for the
next people, next person to be killed, raped, rob you
have their car broken into, then being told that it uh,
you know, it's uh, it's not rain. You feel it's
it's something different. We can't live like this anymore. And

(01:50:09):
Terry Donovan, Can we be a great nation if every
major American city is in collapse?

Speaker 6 (01:50:15):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:50:15):
We cannot, No, we absolutely cannot. We just we've got
to turn We've got to turn the course here. We've
got to start holding people accountable. We've got to start
thinking of new creative ideas. We've got to start bringing
the right people to the table, having roundtables, collaborating together.
We've got to work together to solve this crime problem.

(01:50:38):
It's going to have to start when people are younger,
and we're going to have just work together to to
make change. And it's not going to happen under the
current leadership. I just hope that people.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Really like that cannot do.

Speaker 7 (01:50:53):
Want to say, you know.

Speaker 14 (01:50:55):
I feel a special force pushing me along. And I
lost my mother a year ago. She was very concerned
about the state of our world. And I promise you
I feel her pushing me.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
Terry Donovan, Michael, I, like many others, the task in
front of you is almost impossible. But it was also
impossible for Charlie Kirk thirteen years ago to form TPUSA,
to have five million followers and change the world. And
Charlie Kirk helped change the world, and I think you're
going to help change Charlotte. Terry Donovan, good luck against
the Viye Lyles who's been in office now for eight years,

(01:51:34):
promising everything, delivering nothing. And Terry Donovan, you're a great
You're a great American. Thanks for coming on the Bill
Cunningham Show.

Speaker 13 (01:51:41):
Thank you, Terry, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Thank you, God bless you.

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
Let's continue with more. It's going to be damn near impossible,
but it was impossible for Charlie Kirk thirteen years ago
to do what he did. Bill Cunningham with you every
Sunday night, Billy Cunningham, the great American. And I want
to thank everyone for coming on on on this memorization
and the impact of Charlie Kirk in America. And there

(01:52:07):
were marches in reverence to Charlie Kirk in Europe, some
of which were permitted, some were not. But nonetheless, Charlie
Kirk is dead. And as as Erica Kirk said, we
played her remarks several minutes ago about what the mission
is now going forward and it can't be. It cannot
be that the messenger has been killed. Therefore the message

(01:52:30):
must die. And I'm going to be more involved a
turning point USA than I've ever been. I know many
of my talk to brothers and sisters across all the
platforms have committed to that, and I pray that is
the case. It's also reported that JD. Vance, Vice President,
would have disagreements of one type or another, but Charlie
Kirk about religion.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
As you know JD.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Vance is a converted Roman Catholic, and that Charlie Kirk
was a Protestant of great note, but they argued about it.
And with your permit, I will ask that you bow
your head and memory of Charlie Kirk and say the
following with me, our Father, who art in heaven, hollo'd
be thy name, Thy Kingdom. Come, Thy will be done

(01:53:14):
on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this
daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive
those who trespass against us. Forgive those who trespass against you.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory,
forever and ever. Amen, Charlie Kirk, rest in peace, And

(01:53:37):
that we Catholics would say, Hell Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee. Blessed, art thou among women,
and bless us the fruit of our womb. Jesus, Holy
Marry Mother of God, Pray for us sinners now at
the hour of our death.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
Charlie Kirk, rest in peace, go cunning him with you
every Sunday night

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