Live on Sunday Night with Bill Cunningham 10/5/2025

Bill is live across America again this Sunday Night! Trump is sending National Guard to Chicago, Oregan and more. Also, why where there lapses in Charlie Kirks security? Wilie's guests include Rev Lucas Miles, Erika Sanzi, Jeff Crouere live from New Orleans and Geoff Gilson.

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Bill Cunningham, Billy Cunningham, the great American. Thanks for joining
me this evening. We had hoped, I think you had
hoped that somehow, by eight pm Eastern time tonight, a
couple hours ago, that there would have been some indication
by Hamas that they would accept the terms and release
the hostages that are alive and those that are dead
back to their families in exchange. Israel was prepared to

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release about one thousand, one thousand terrorists back to Hamas.
But as we sit here now, it's still up in
the air. There's going to be more talks held tomorrow,
I think in Egypt, so we'll see what happens with that.
If it happens during the show tonight, you're going to
be first to learn about it. We'll see what happened. Secondly,
the absolute attack on law enforcement George Floyd style is

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now happening in many major American cities that are completely
out of control. Portland, Chicago, Memphis. At the top of
the list. Washington, d C, according to the mayor, has
never been this calm and this good. When I speak
to a couple of US Senators, so those who work
in and around the Capitol, what Donald Trump has done
in DC has been markedly better than what it was before.

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In fact, it is safe to walk around Washington, DC
and haven't been there a few years. Don't intend to
go back for a while. But it works. Have law
enforcement present works. One of the saddest things happening is
the headline now in the Chicago Tribune. Chicago police sources
blast the department's response after officers were told not to

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help federal agents that were being hemmed in by several
cars and protesters who became riders. On Saturday morning, federal
agents were rammed and trapped by ten vehicles where anti
ICE crowds had gathered for days. Nearly a dozen people
had been arrested that an app went out and the

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federal law enforcement, the ICE officials requested assistance, and they
were told no and reviewed a computer aided to dispatch
messages sent to Chicago police by the Chief of Patrol.
The message instructed Chicago police not to respond to the

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ramming on the southwest side of the city in which
an armed woman was shot and agents for Boxton and surrounded.
Many Chicago police denied. Are extremely unhappy about this, but
it's the world in which we live. In the past,
when a app goes out, officer needs assistance, you drop
what you're doing and you run to the scene. You

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save a fellow officer's life. In this case, the federal
law enforcement was put in risk of harm and death
and injury by these paid for mobs of left wing protesters,
and there was no help provided. According to this statement.
The Chicago Police itself claimed that the officers failed to respond,

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but they were sent to the scene to manage safety
and document the incident, so not to assist arrest the criminals.
Were rather to stand by and watch what's going on.
That's under the leadership of the mayor of Randon Johnson.
I think now is approval ratings down to five or
six percent. Next year, you have a chance in Chicago

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to vote on that. It is sick and it's sad
because how many times if you're in law enforcement, if
you're in a highway patrol, if you're in US Marshall Service,
is FBI, City of Columbus, whatever city you're in, and
an officer says, officer needs assistance, no matter what it is,
you drop what you're doing in your go for political reasons.

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The leadership in the city of Chicago said no, and
they will respond to a scene that document what happens,
but they will not get involved. And this comes on
the heels of the comments this morning by Christy Noms
who appeared in Fox and Friends this morning. She said
cartels and other terrorist organizations. Terrorist organizations are placing bounties

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on the heads specific federal immigration agents in a move
she called dangerous and unpresident There are groups of terrorist
groups funded by many left wing groups and also by
China and by Iran, are offering two thousand dollars for
the capture of an ICE agent and up to ten

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thousand dollars for a murder of an ICE law enforcement official.
She said, our intelligence in the case these people are
well organized. They're getting more and more brazen as far
as attacking police, and they're making plans to ambush them
and to kill them. Much of what happened to Dallas,
by the way, recall that one someone high on marijuana

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smoked up who lived in the left wing sewer of
MSNBC CNN, shot into an ice van thinking he would
be killing police officers, but he actually killed two and
the other one just recently died, two individuals who were
here illegally from Nicaragua. And now we have evidence that

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these terrorist groups George Floyd style have put bounties on
the head of federal law enforcement. And she said because
it's an ongoing investigation, she didn't specify if the agents
were from a particular agency or multiple ones. He said.
She said, they're gangs, cartel members, and known terrorist groups
who are paid for by left rowing organizations inside of

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America but also by Iran and communist Red China to
cause problems in our major cities. This comes on the
heels of many attacks on federal law enforcement, including a
shooting at a Dallas ice facility that killed a couple
of detainees and injured others. So while this is going
Onnam also referred to the incident on Saturday morning or

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during a protest, ten vehicles operated by terrorists, not protesters.
Terrorists boxed in federal law enforcement and ram one of
their vehicles. The officers inside could not move their vehicles.
They called out, officers need assistance. Help. No one showed
up from the City of Chicago Police department. An officer

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ended up firing a weapon, and a woman who drove
herself to the hospital. The armed woman was named an
a Custom and Border Patrol intelligence bulletin last week for
doxing agents and posting online certain epithets about who they are,
where they live, etc. So these are the George Floyd

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riots all over again, in which large multinational foundations George
Soros and others fund large amounts of money to groups
these so called paid protesters, paid rioters, and they get
carried away with what they're doing, and then officers are
put at risk of being killed, and of course is

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going to happen. It will happen. Now I'm surprising it
happened so far are She also has promised Christy Noomas
said that she's going to find out who's organizing and
paying for these don't call them protesters or demonstrators, they're terrorists.
Christian Noames that I was in Chicago two days ago
watching these terrorists and officers engage with them. All the

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protesters are wearing the same gas masks, carrying the same
kind of signs. Many of them are printed with the
same font. You know that somebody is funding the whole operation,
and it's absolutely the truth. In fact, I had on
a guest a few months back that has the ability.
It's called protest on demand, and if you google a
protest on demand, it's right there. This one large group,

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actually they say we create out of the box campaigns,
audiences and events to make an impact for our clients.
These groups go on to say that they're looking to
create a buzz anywhere at Crowds on demand. We provide
clients with passionate demonstrators, rally flash mobs, corporate PR events,
and lighthearted events such as Papa Rozzi brand ambassadors and

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PR stunts. They do not involve in violence, is what
they say, and I certainly believe that's the case. I
don't think you are on the Internet and you're raising
millions of dollars in order to create a crowd, and
this one group will have protest rallies and audiences, events
and fan interactions, protests, rallies, and advocacy. You go to

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the group, you have to pay millions of dollars for
several hundred and they're called out end mass with loud speakers,
dressed appropriately, handing out the signs, and some of these
hard left wing groups get very angry and they start
trying to kill police. If you live in the left
wing sewer, every now and then the lid pops off,

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you you see it, you hear it, you listen it,
and you watch it, and someone's going to be killed
in law enforcement, and other have already been killed by
these so called some lone wolves and some others that
consider themselves to be part of some international movement against
the United States of America and against police. And whether

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it's Gaza, whether it's Israel, whether it's Ukraine, Communist Red China,
the George Floyd crowd. They're out there in the major cities,
incentivized by Governor Pritzer, by the mayors of major cities
in Portland and Sacramento, in Chicago, New York, elsewhere that
this massive left wing, well funded organizations will have protest

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demonstrators and terrorists on demand and what happened yesterday morning
in Chicago was sickening and it's so wrong, it's awful.
So also I want to comment briefly if we can,
about what's going on in des Moines, Iowa, with Ian
Roberts by the way at DEI hire in des Moines, Iowa,

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by the des Moines school Board to educate thirty thousand
kids in des Moines rifle Ripe, complete with DEI programming
up and down the list. And he was a DEI
higher I won't call him doctor. Seemingly his doctor was
a bunch of bs. And maybe his college education which
a bunch of bs. And now the campaign of Jackie Norris,

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a woman who's on the school board, she's chairman of
the school board now in des Moines, I guess her
campaign for Senate next year is on the rocks, so
to speak, because she was the prime candidate to take
on whoever the Republicans who are put up in the
state of Iowa to run for Jony Ernst's seat. And
Jackie Norris is married to the Iowa Democratic Party chairman

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his name is John Morris and Norris and their operatives,
and she was the one in charge of issuing statements
accepting ultimately the resignation. Originally he was put on leave
with pay, and then all the facts started coming out.
And if you're this stupid hiring someone like this, the
last place you should be is the United States Senate,

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for God's sakes, and Homeland Security put on a laundry
list of the crimes that he's committed over the last
thirty some years, many involving drug use, possession of weapons,
second degree criminal possession of a weapon, third degree criminal
possession of a weapon, also in lawful possession of a
loaded firearm. For thirty years, Roberts moved in and out

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of the country, working with various campaigns. If he could,
he traveled freely doing motivational speaking and teaching, and he
was not shy and trafficked in some prominent circles, running
in out of democratic power brokers. He was perceived as
the right kind of person to educate thirty thousand kids
in Iowa. It turned out the whole thing was a fraud.

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The rap sheet in history of immigration fraud is extensive.
He lied, repeatedly, committed numerous offenses. Finally caught up with
him by twenty twenty four. Under the Biden administration. Another
final deportation order was issued because of the crimes he
had been committed and the fraud that he committed. Democrats
in des Moines, Iowa have egg on their face, shall

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we say, they're a bit embarrassed by what happened. This
wasn't someone to do something relatively unimportant. His job was
to educate thirty thousand kids in the Des Moines public
school system. And I would note that a couple hundred
walked out in protest when he was finally fired for
being a criminal. That shows you the extent of DEI
seeping into the body body politic in Des Moines, Iowa.

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For goodness, goodness sakes, you can't imagine this. And for
a long time Jackie Norris and other liberal Democratic members
of the Des Moines School Board covered for doctor Ian
Roberts and said some of these charges can't be true.
They wanted to give him grace. Well, instead of getting grace,
he's going to get a prison cell. He was wrongfully

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in possession of loaded weapons, firearms, three thousand dollars in cash,
hiding in a grove of trees. That's the superintendent of schools,
for God's sakes. So we got serious issues and one
other thing I'm going to bring up. I have a
guest later on this issue. So, in addition to left
wing groups having bounties on the head of ice officials

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doing their job under the law, in addition to the
fact that big city police departments are under orders not
to help think about that. Addition to all that, we have,
the circumstances involving Charlie Kirk has raised its ugly head.
I saw a story that Charlie Kirk has his own
security detail. I played for you the last few Sunday

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nights comments that Charlie made about what would happen if
he was shot, and we played that for you last
Sunday night. No need to play it again, but he
said he would look at the face of Jesus. And
I'm going to have on later Reverend Lucas Miles from
Turning Point, USA, one of his close confidence confidence who

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has a book out talking about what's happening in America
today about paganism taking over. Story I read deals with
the fact that Charlie Kirk and the security team was
very concerned about security at Utah University and that they
were concerned about the buildings that were one hundred and

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fifty to two hundred yards away. The story I read,
You know the Kirk security failings had drone technology. You
put up a drone and on your laptop or on
your on your cell phone, you can follow what the
drone is videoing on top of the buildings. One of
these security personnel for Charlie Kirk asked the officials at

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the college, you know what about those buildings right there.
Charlie's going to be sitting on a high seat and
he's going to be sitting a little higher than the crowd,
and there's a clean line of sight to those buildings.
And the security personnel indicated that we have drone technology.
We can put up a drone for a couple hours
and in real time see if somebody's on top for

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the building. In fact, there were three buildings had to
be covered. One drone could cover all three buildings. So
the drone would have picked up someone running across the
building with a rifle. So let's take a short break.
I'll continue with this later and eight six six six
four seven, seven three three seven Bill Cunningham with you

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every Sunday night. Well, let's continue with more in Utah

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Valley University is a great university that has grown markedly
the past ten or fifteen years, and they had about
three thousand mainly students were there. There was no metal
detectors available, but there was about twenty foot separation between
the front of the crowd and Charlie Kirk, and they
had armed security personnel left and right. I don't know

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if metal detections would have made any difference in this
particular incident, certainly not. But when I saw an interview
with a retired Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy, he was
the one shot protecting Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty one,
he said he was very surprised that the buildings were
not covered because that's where the risk is. So this

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one report said that Utah Valley University security personnel said,
we'll take care of that. But the only way to
take care of it is to put a deputy on
top of each of those buildings, I would think, or secondly,
to have a drone be high enough to look at
all three at little or no expense to anybody. Times
have changed, would you agree? And I don't know. And

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then the idea that this assassin whose name will never
get in my head nor leave my lips. Suddenly left
the left the rifle to be found a couple hundred
yards away in a small, little wooded area that was
broken down in one sense or another. And that was
an old, old unit, might have been as long as
old as eighty years old, and he left it to

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be found with his DNA on it. Now, that is
really stupid. Of course, a lot of murderers are really stupid.
I think what I'm saying is there's lots of questions
to be answered about Charlie Kirk, and I'm confident that
Dan Bongino, Deputy Director of the FBI, is going to
get them answered. I believe that I trust Dan Bongino

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more than any person in the FBI, including the leader.
I trust Dan Bongino. And if there's anything there there,
I like to know it. I like to know why
the top of those roofs are not covered, which would
have taken little or no time and money. And that
was the obvious threat where the threat was going to
come from. All let's continue with more and we'll have

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We'll take some calls in the next or so. Then
number to call is eight sixty six six four seven
seven three three seven federal officials have requested local assistance
when they're under assault by terrorists inside the city of Chicago,
and it was denied same way in Portland, which is
completely out of control of Oregon. And now lawsuits are

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flying left and right that California are going to send
the National Guard to Oregon and Texas may send the
National Guard to Illinois. Now the judges will be back involved.
What's wrong with public safety? And why wasn't Charlie Moore
protected Bill cunning into Great American with you every single Oh,

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let's continue whenever saw it, We're simply continue. I'm just
saying that Charlie Kirk, I watched many of his videos,
believed his life was in jeopardy, and he related it
publicly and privately. I'm going to get killed. In fact,
I played for cuts from you about what's going to
happen when you get shot, and he related when he

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gets shot what he's going to do. So in his mind,
with his lovely wife, Erica, and with his two little
little babies, and with the idea that my life is
in danger. I have so many death threats it's unbelievable.
And you see the violence against Turning Point USA, on
college campuses. Even now at Tennessee State it's happening repeatedly.

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Violence is occurring. And he had security guards that were
pretty good retired law enforcement, and so they wanted to
have metal detectors, but that's not possible at Utah Valley University.
It's an open air campus, be very difficult to do that.
So they created a boundary at which no one could

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get this side, at least the security the armed security
officers on either side of Charlie Kirk. If somebody close
inside would take a shot at him, they would have
a clear line of sight to see the person and
respond appropriately. And Charlie was told by some you ought
to get some bulletproof glass, put it in front of you,
and Charlie said, I can't operate like that. I don't

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want to do that. He said, my hands are My
life's in the hands of the Lord anyway. Absolutely, and
the Lord permits ugly things to happen to good people
because individuals evil ones like the assassin, has free will.
And so the security guard in that guard. According to
one news story I saw, got there, looked up and

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saw the rooftops of those buildings where they perfect line
of site right to Charlie Kirk, and so we have
to get those buildings covered, and according to this media account,
the police at Utah Valley University said, we'll take care
of it. Thinking, okay, you have a cop on top
of the building and each one a line of site
directly one hundred and it wasn't two hundred yards. It

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was about one hundred and sixty yards away with a
scope and it wasn't done. Welly wasn't it done? I
have no idea after what happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania.
I would think that'd be after you have some sort
of twenty foot barrier away from then guards right there
looking at the crowd. The next area of concern would

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be the top of those buildings, and you could easily
see if drone technology was available, which the Charlie Kirk
organization has, that could put a drone in the air
and watch all three top of the buildings. Somebody running
across with a rifle likely would have set off alarms.
Do you agree, at a minimum have other security guards
on top of the building with a nice chair to

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watch what's going on. And it didn't happen, so you
can look back in time what could have happened, what
should have happened or might have happened. I know what
did happen this media report. I saw the security personnel
for Charlie said we gotta get those buildings covered, and
the police said we'll take care of it, and somebody didn't.
I'm sure lawsuits whatever down the road will be found

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by somebody at some point. We'll see what happens. Well,
let's continue, but summer is over and it's now fall
more or less. Although in Cincinnati feels like it's eighty
five degrees going to be loose twenty five degrees the
next two days. That's a different issue. But the cities
are broiling because the mayors and the governors in blue
cities and blue states will not support law enforcement. Look

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at the status of Chicago. Look at the status of
the water tire and the Magnificent Mile. Look at the
status of Michigan Avenue. Look what's happening in Portland. It
looks like a third world city. Homelessness, drug use abounds.
In my beautiful little city of sites Cincinnati. We have
shootings every night. We have a out of touch mayor.
Completely have to have pureval as the guy's name, and

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he has no clue what's going on. He say how
safe the city is, and it's not. But Cincinnati is
about ten years behind New York and Land. The way
to secure the cities are the high local law enforcement
along with the National Guard as appropriate. And we'll see
what happens. But now we're told now according to the
story on Fox News, that some of the terrorist organizations

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that put bounties on the head, bring me the head
of dead ice officers or others. According to Christy nome
Tooth and kidnappings are going to be popular to kidnap
some money, but with ice and the mayor of Chicago
and the governor has ordered that it's law enforcement, not
assists federal law enforcement. That's where we are. Let's continue
in your calls. Number to call is eight sixty six

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six four seven seven three three seven. And my first
guess in about thirty minutes or so is going to
be the Reverend Lucas Miles Turning Point, USA, a close
confident of Charlie Kirk and Erica. His new book is
out Pagan Threat dealing with the school systems and elsewhere
in law enforcement. And certainly this is very appropriate. So

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let's continue with Alex in Wisconsin and then Edward and
Tampa Bay number to two. We have three lines open
if you call now eight six six six four seven
seven three three seven Alex and Wisconsin. Welcome to the
Bill Cunningham Show. And Alex, how are you?

Speaker 5 (25:30):
I am doing good?

Speaker 4 (25:31):
How are you doing doing well? Doing well? I think
we have issues. I think we've got problems. Hopefully we're
going to work.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
For right Yeah. Yeah, And that's one of the things
that I was calling the bullet in. And it's not
just in big cities, billets everywhere, but the crime rate's
just gotten horrible.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
And the issue is, isn't law enforcement incentivized now not
to arrest people, to look the other way? Isn't that true?

Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:02):
And I think it's messed up.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, Well, tell me your experiences there in Wisconsin. You
live in a small town, give me your experiences.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
And the really crazy part two is the police stations
right by my hopes and the crime rate in the
city that I live in is just it's crazy. And
the fact that the police station's right there, it doesn't
really matter, It doesn't even make a difference.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Do you think the police are incentivized not to arrest
criminals because the political the political leadership doesn't want that
to happen. I'll give you my example. In Cincinnati, we
used to have an effective Cinnai Police department, a thousand officers.
They're down to about nine hundred. It should have a level,
so we're down twenty percent. And the cops are told
by the mayor and others don't pull people over for

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traffic violations like speeding or reckless operation because you have
to find out you get you show me your life license,
proof of insurance registration. It opens up a Pandora's box
of other stuff. So we put speed bumps all over
all over town because cops are told don't pull people over.
We have large numbers of individual individuals illegally smoking marijuana

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all over the city of Cincinnati and drug use. We
have about a thousand homeless doing all kinds of bad
stuff and the arrest don't take place because the mayor
and city council doesn't want it to happen. And the
same thing is true in Chicago. Being a Chicago cop
under Brandon Johnson's got to be a joke.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Well, and you want to know what's really scary too,
is I'm completely blind. I can't even imagine. Do younify myself?

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, well, Alex, I say I'm going to say a
prayer for you tonight and that somehow sanity must be
returned to the people of Wisconsin, the people of America.
Let's continue. Let's continue now with Thomas and the great
state of Florida. Thomas and Florida, Welcome to the Bill
Cunningham Show. Thomas, how are you?

Speaker 7 (28:01):
I'm good?

Speaker 8 (28:02):
Sure, how are you, sir? I'm a big fan of
truck travery right now. I was just my only concern was,
you know, again, I know with the security with Charlie Kirk,
is that you know, we have a we have a
code us truckers Safety First, And you know, I just
thought that, you know, his life might have been spared
if there was more precautions, like if the roof wasn't
confirmed that they were secured. You know, he should have

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never been out in public. I don't know, I does
that make any sense, Like he should have never been
if there was any doubt at all, if these guys
would have combed the roof or went above and beyond.
Does that make any sense to me? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Well, you know I read this story they want. They
wanted the roofs covered, and they were told by their
local police, we will cover the roof. Now, if I'm
one of the security guards, and I love Charlie Kirk,
and I know Erica and I know his I know
his kids. I know he's got a concern about getting shot.

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And I'm looking around that event. Where where am I looking?
Am I looking feet in front of me?

Speaker 9 (29:00):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Right there? But then you know you can you can
get eyeballs and those twenty people and you're armed in there.
That's a problem. I get. I get not having a
metal detector on a college campus. I get that. However,
those roofs after Butler County, Pennsylvania should have been covered
by somebody, and why they weren't. I want to hear

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more about this because there's other people appearing in public
that you know, yours truly is going to be at
some turning point event in a public area, and I
like to look around and see if the roofs are covered.
The roofs that got to be covered, and they weren't,
and they were, and Charlie's guys were told, we'll take
care of it.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
That's a MASKI sir, that's the sage.

Speaker 10 (29:41):
If they weren't covered.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
Why would Charlie go out there?

Speaker 7 (29:43):
Why would they let.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
Him out if they couldn't confirm that the roofs won't
cover right like you would think he would do a
last minute sorrow check. No, the roof's not covered, you're
not going out there, and just you know, insist, No, Charlie,
you're not going out.

Speaker 10 (29:55):
We can't come it.

Speaker 7 (29:55):
We don't know if the roofs are covered.

Speaker 8 (29:57):
You can't go by what right with other people saying okay,
well well we're going to provide the security for you, right,
does that make sense?

Speaker 10 (30:03):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (30:05):
I watch. I watched the twenty minutes, the first twenty minutes,
and once I watched the actual bullet hitting his throat
and he was a sitting duck under that tent from
those roofs, and I just think was it was it
a lone wolf who didn't know what he was doing,

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radicalized by his life, using his grandpa's rifle, he kept
it in an area that was going to be found.
Why does an assassin do that? I have no idea.
Why did Lee Harvey Oswald leave behind the gun at
the six Flour I don't know why? Criminals? U sure
I don't know why that's the case, but Thomas, I'd

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like to have a more thorough investigation. I like to
have Dan Bongino and FBI Director Patel and others say
at some point, Okay, it's been my gosh, I can't
believe it's been almost thirty thirty days. But well, I
to have some indication that in September September tenth, we
ought to have some indication that we're gonna investigate this thing.

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We're gonna find out what happened, how it happened, why
this event take place, to teach us how to handle
other events. I mean, in the Kennedy assassination, the idea
of a president riding through a major city with no
bubble up and waving at people like John F. Kennedy
and Dealey Plaza until that happened. That happened all the time.

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I can see pictures of him in Ireland and thousands
of people, and put him in a situation where if
somebody wanted to assassinate him, it was obvious there's John F.
Kennedy's head right there. And after what happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania,
I would like to think that an area one hundred
and fifty yards away with a perfect line of sight

(31:51):
to Charlie Kirk. It's something I like to have somebody
tell me FBI director Patel or Dan Bongino or somebody
Cash is to say, you know what, we're investigating this thing,
and it is everything we're being told accurate that somehow
this kid who was radicalized by the sewer of left

(32:12):
wing politics, who was shall we say, dating or living
with a transsexual, a transgender individual who hated Charlie Kirk. Because,
by the way, Charlie Kirk had love in his heart
for everyone. Race create made no difference. I've watched it.
I watched him perform often with African Americans, with gay individuals, transgender,

(32:33):
whatever it is, love in his heart for everyone. It's
a lie that he was anti Semitic, or that he
was anti black or Ani gay, whatever it might, it
was a lie. And I just like to have Cashptel
or Dan Bongino at some point say we're going to
conduct a thorough investigation, which they've done now with the assassin.
But what happened that allowed that assassin to be on

(32:54):
the roof. What happened in Butler County, PA that allowed
out attempt at assassin to be in that position. And
for the last long since what last August, that story
is dead as a door nail. How did it happen?
How did you get the weapon? There's been no reporting

(33:14):
on it at all. And now I use the term
our guys are involved. Our guys are involved. Let's take
a short break. I think the next call might be
from Russia. So we're gonna get to Russia find out
what the feeling is. Plus, I want to set up
the rest of tonight's big show. Bill Cunningham, the Great
American with you every Sunday night. All right, Now, we

(33:52):
don't get a lot of calls from Moscow, I mean Russia,
Bob and Moscow, Russia. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Didn't you call me about a year ago? Year or
two ago?

Speaker 7 (34:02):
Ps year or two ago? And I'm still here. I
have a I'm a Catholic also, and I have everything
that's going on with I'm Charlie Kirk, Donald Trump. All
this all started with Pope John the Second when he
was shot, same situation. He loved the people, took care

(34:23):
of the not the rich, the wealth. Who's took care
of all people? His shooting is the same thing that
happened with Donald Trump shooting is the same thing that
happened with Charlie kirk shooting. They're trying to eliminate people
that actually care about the world in the United States,
and they're all similar situations. They're all tied together. No security.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, it's amazed that someone could get one hundred and
fifty yards away from Donald Trump in the summertime of
twenty twenty four with a cleare shot at his head.
And the only reason the trump Ster lives is that
he went to turned to the right, which you seldom
did that early, to look at a chart, and that
saved his life. By the way, can you tell me
the status of living in Russia today? I read things

(35:09):
like long lines for gasoline. There's a little bit of
bubbling uncertainty about Vladimir Fotin Russia maybe in the virtue
of collapse. Do you feel comfortable talking about that.

Speaker 7 (35:21):
I can talk something, but first of all, I want
just to finish up with what we're talking about, with
what one with Charlie Kirk. What is the similarity between
the shooting of Charlie Kirk and the shooting of John
Paul The second, Well.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
You tell me one was a bulgarian or something who
hated what John Paul the second student, No, no.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
No, Charlie Kirk's white forgave the man. John Paul the
Second for gave the.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Man in fact, he met with that, he met with.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
That's what believing in Goda. Being a true catholicus you forget, you.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Know, it's very hard. Well, the Christ forgave the faith
on the cross next to them, he forgave him. Tonight,
you'll be with And so John Paul the Sacond when
I got to the hospital, met with that bulgarian and
forgave him. And Erica Kirk two days after the event,
having just kissed her husband's forehead when they shut the coffin,
forgave the murderer of her husband. Now, how about that?

Speaker 7 (36:23):
And that? And that's what a true believer in God
and faith and the Lord Jesus Christ does. But getting
back to Moscow, the only places there's lyes for gasoline
are just like what happens in the United stits in California,
I'm sure because of the refinery's burning there right, there's
could be lyings in gasolina type for gasolina type. Because

(36:45):
when he cut off supply at some point, there's could
be lyings. Everything's gotten more expensive, just like in the
United States. But part of the reason why I'm here
is because my healthcare in the European in healthcare system
that's available over here that's not available in the United States.
Medicines from Germany are so much cheaper. I paid one.

(37:10):
I'm sixty three years old. I paid one five hundred
dollars a year for full coverage of healthcare, private coverage,
without coverage for medication.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Well, what about living in a communist country with Vladimir Potent?
You just keep your head down and don't say anything
bad about the government.

Speaker 7 (37:33):
Actually, if you haven't lived in a foreign country or
lived here, I actually have more freedom here to speak
about Christianity or walk. And I'm sixty three years old.
There's not a place in Moscow right now than I'm
not afraid to walk it in the evening or at
night by myself. So there's pros and cons of both countries.

(37:55):
I mean the governments are different, yes, but things are
more straightforward here right now than they are in America.
I mean, you go to a pro sporting event in America,
half the people are drunk. Now you go to a
pros you go to a you go to a pro
sporting events. Here in Russia, no alcohol is service.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
We have to run. Call me back in a few months.
But I would not want to live in the communist country,
no matter any circumstances. Although there are elements of safety
there that aren't existing here. But I'm an American, Bob,
thanks for calling me. Coming up, We're going to put
a call into the Reverend Lucas Miles a turning point USA.
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Speaker 4 (39:31):
I Bill Cunningham, the great American. Of course, on September
the tenth, a terrible event took place. Some have compared
to the Kennedy assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. That
is the murder of Charlie Kirk in Utah. It was
incredibly It broke about quarter to three Eastern time, a
flash across the screen. I was on the air when
it happened, and talk about a shock. And here we

(39:53):
are three or four weeks later and still having a
process exactly the impact of this. Jonan You and on
Alis Pastor Lucas Miles, he's the senior director of Turning
Point USA Faith and best selling author. Book is out
of brand new one which is Pagan Threat Confronting America's
Godless Uprising. And Reverend Miles, welcome, I think for the
first time to the Bill Cunningham Show before we talk

(40:15):
about your book, which is number one everywhere. I think
it'll double and triple and sales says the work gets
out even more. Can you talk about where you were
when you learned that Charlie had been murdered and the
impact on his organization.

Speaker 12 (40:30):
Yeah, I was actually out of the country when I
got the news. We'd had a very busy you know,
obviously last eighteen months or so with my role there
at TPUSA Faith, and I had talked to Charlie and
told him, I said, hey, we're looking and taking vacation.
He's like, yeah, absolutely, go just get away, just shut
everything down and just you need that time. And my

(40:52):
wife and I were down in Arubo with another dear
couple friend of ours, and my assistant had told me,
he said, I'm not only going to call you if
something major happens. And I'm sitting by the pool down there,
middle of our trip and I see the phone ring
and my heart just sank. I knew right away something
was wrong. He told me Charlie had been shot. We
don't know how bad it is. Start getting home now,

(41:13):
and we weren't able to get a flight for the
next day, and it's it's just been NonStop since then.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Lucas Miles, why did you have that feeling? Were you?
Were you foretold? Was it predicted? I've seen some of
the YouTube clips about Charlie Kirk talking about his death.
Not too many thirty one year olds talk about their death.
Why'd you have that pit in your stomach?

Speaker 3 (41:35):
You know?

Speaker 12 (41:36):
I just knew I was only going to get a
call if something was wrong. Otherwise my assistant would have
emailed me, he would have sent me a message on
telegram to look at later. But when I saw the
phone ring, I knew it wasn't good. Now, I didn't know,
you know, it wasn't my wildest imagination that that was
going to be what the call was. But I just
knew something was problematic at a higher level at that point,

(41:56):
and you know, it just didn't seem real. It still
doesn't seem real, honestly. It's just, you know, you kind
of go back and forth between that grief and denial,
and I just want to text Charlie and ask him,
you know, what does he think about all this, you know?
Or what do we do next? You know? And so
I think all of our staff is kind of going
through that process. But I'll tell you what, there is

(42:17):
such a spirit of resolve over the whole team at TPUSA.
Charlie was such a great leader. He laid out an
action plan for a really long time. There's you know, Erica,
you know, everybody is. She's just been a stabilizing force
for the whole organization. And so, you know, we're filled
with grief, but there's a lot of work to do,
and in Charlie Kirk fashion, we're getting up and we're

(42:40):
going back to work. And we got a country and
a world.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
To save here and without America, the world has lost
this submission of Charlie Kirk's beginning about thirteen or fourteen
years ago, was impossible to go on college campuses. I've
seen hundreds of hours of YouTube clips of what happens
to them on college campuses. He wins almost every argument, because, right,
what are some of the threats? What do you diagnosis

(43:03):
and threats we face as America.

Speaker 12 (43:06):
Yeah, So in my book pagan Threat one of the
things I tried to bring people's attention to, and really
the thesis of it is this is that you know,
by and large, paganism as a whole was dead.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
GK.

Speaker 12 (43:16):
Chesterton said so himself. But the problem with paganism is
it tends to resurface periodically. And so what is happening
now is in order for a Marxist agenda to be
able to thrive in America, America, Americans have to forget
their Christian worldview. We have to forget our roots. We
have to you know, so you have to tear down statues,

(43:36):
you have to you have to wipe away the memory
of any sort of history that points to Christ or
our Christian founding. And so in order to do that,
they're thrusting this paganism onto our youth of today. You
know everything from witchcraft, a sorcery, to the occult to
you know, it's in movies, it's in TV, it's in
pop culture, it's in music. And they're just trying to

(43:58):
change the ethos, the the moral standard in America because
if they can do that, and they reduce the value
of human life that the Christian worldview promotes, then they
can actually institute a Marxist takeover this nation.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
You talk about abortion on demand, including the abortion pills,
talk about ubiquitous crime everywhere. The presidents finally sent in
some federal troops to Portland and the Memphis to tamp
it down. You talk about what's happening on college campuses
relative to the indoctrination to the left, and it almost
seems insurmountable. And at this point I worried that after

(44:36):
Charlie was murdered on September the tenth, that the movement itself,
after three to six to nine months would dissipate, that
the leaders such as yourself, pastor Lucas Miles would find
other events, other things would happening. We're not quite a
month out. What is your feeling looking back as far
as planning the next several years. So the messenger was murdered,

(44:58):
but the message must live in a structural way. He
was the rock star. He was the Paul McCartney of
the Beatles. You know, he was Elvis, he was the guy.
And when you lose that kind of a messenger Martin
Luther King Junior type, it's really difficult to find Ralph
Abernathy to take his place. In fact, no one ever could.
Do you have a concern looking back in five years,
Those five years ago by quickly as the last five

(45:19):
years have gone by. Why do you have such confidence
that this movement will not die with the messenger having
been killed, but the message must live. Why do you
say that?

Speaker 12 (45:29):
You know, I think there's a couple of things we
have to look off look at. So, first off, when
it comes to turning point, USA, Charlie, build a really
strong bench, our board, our contributors, our c suite level
team members. Now having Erica as CEO, we are in
a really strong position. Our donors are committed. I think
the nation is behind us, our churches are committed to

(45:49):
working with us, and so there's a lot of unity
and structure there to be able to sustain this for
years to come, and we have so much of Charlie's content.
Although he has gone from this earth in a physical sense,
his voice is going to ring out and we're going
to make sure of it for literally decades and decades
to come, and so that every you know, he's immortalized

(46:12):
now in the sense that you know, he's forever young,
his voice is going to stay that way. The difference
between some of these other movements we've seen in the past,
with MLK and others is that, you know, we didn't have,
you know, hundreds of thousands of hours of four K
video content with three different angles to be able to
really share the heart. So Charlie is still speaking today
all over the Internet and that's going to continue. I

(46:34):
think additionally, when it comes to revival, that component of it,
you know, God brings revival. This is something we can't
just fabricate, but I think that we can help stewart it.
And so we're working with our churches and that's really
my primary role is working with churches across the country
to help stewart this season of revival. My own church
has doubled in attendance during this timeframe. I've gotten that
same message from so many other pastors across the country.

(46:56):
There's a move of God happening right now, and I think,
you know, we just we can't Charlie Kirk. I'm never
going to be Charlie Kirk. Nobody else is ever going
to be Charlie Kirk. I just want to be the
best Lucas Miles that I can in my generation to
fulfill what God. You know, He's always on my life.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Reveren, if you can talk about the lost white male,
I've seen all the reports the studies had on a
guest from the New York Times a couple months ago
about the lost white male who finds himself disconnected, disjoin it,
has no personal relationships, someone lost in the world of
porn or lost in the world of gaming. The murder
of Charlie Kirk seemingly was lost in both worlds. He

(47:31):
was a young man. You have pictures of young men
that have created caused many of these disasters, political assassinations.
You have the event Mormon Church Later Day Saints fifty
miles north of Detroit being leveled to the ground, and
that guy was like thirty nine or forty years old,
but he had brain difficulties. How do you address yourself

(47:52):
to the lost to white male who feels as if
he lives in a toxic male oriented society. Male toxicity
is everywhere. I watched Charlie Kirk's response to the to
the toxic mail and it was a beautiful response. But
can you address yourself to the lost white male?

Speaker 12 (48:12):
Yeah? Absolutely, So, you know what we're seeing right now
is that. And I think it's important to recognize across
this entire generation, and this would go for probably millennials
as well as gen z is there is a tremendous
amount of trauma that these generations have endured and sustained,
you know, the and youve got to remember, at forty
years old, that individual is a millennial, right, you know,
the older millennials are forty years old now, and so

(48:35):
you know, in the case of the Mormon shooting and
so the you know this this is what's it, you know,
contributed by starts with nine to eleven, multiple wars in
the Middle East. We have things like the you know,
Columbine and the rise of school shootings. At the same time,
you have this increase of the digital footprint, video games,
dark places in the internet, chat rooms and forums, you know,

(48:56):
places to explore and you know, kind of get into
all these emotional things that people are feeling that turn
very dark oftentimes. You have, you know, combined with that,
we see the rise of gender ideology transcault. We have COVID.
We have the isolation that was experienced a lot of
these younger people. They missed prom they didn't get to
date anybody, they didn't get to you know, run around

(49:17):
with their car and you know, with friends and hang out.
There was isolation. They were stuck in their house, they
were doing school by video, and there's ramifications of that.
We were all warning about that during COVID, and now
we're seeing the fruit of those policies you know, played out,
and so we have to go to where these people are.
We have to reach them. Charlie was just a brilliant
strategist at reaching people in the digital space. And you know,

(49:38):
his video has been seen by literally billions of people
and they're going to continue to be seen. But we
have to keep being you know, strategic in our generation.
You know, Charlie is not here physically to you know,
to do that himself. We got to pick up the
baton and every single one of us, you know, have
to do our part to really build and reach people,
to help the hurt and ultimately lead them to Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Pastor Lucas Miles. I saw a treaty he's on Salon,
a website that I'm sure many do not attend, but
nonetheless it's a liberal website about the message with Charlie
Kirk being anti female. The message was it is very
positive to meet a man, to be in a sense
him the leader of the family. He's to protect to
the provider, and that is a mother. To stay at

(50:19):
home is anti female. The average female today gets married
when she's about twenty nine, the average male about thirty one.
And so therefore the message is stay at home, barefoot
and pregnant and cook, prepare dinner, and be the homemaker.
And that message by Salon was terrible that girls and
young women are being told the only way you can
be successful in life is to find a man, to

(50:39):
get married, to have children, to be a homemaker. And
the Salon, a liberal website, says Charlie Kirk's message was
anti female, trying to hold women back. How would you
respond to that.

Speaker 12 (50:50):
One, Well, I would say, if he's trying to hold
women back, he did a very bad job of it
because so many of our staff at GPUSA are female
and they're executives and their leaders within the organization. Charlie
was a champion of a humanity period. He believed in
and understood the Biblical design that we see there's differences

(51:11):
between men and women, and we celebrate those differences. That
doesn't mean that you know, uh, there has to be
this or that they're you know, there shouldn't. That never
leads to dominance, That never leads to you know, control
in some sort of sense. We would be, you know,
against anything like that. In scripture would be against anything
like that. And so I think that you know, you
see these things. Obviously they're taking one sound bite and
they're going to use that and pull that out of context.

(51:33):
But I think those around Charlie, those that watched his videos,
you know, a lot of his base was were females
that were finding freedom and hope and encouragement in the
message that he was sharing about liberty and about Jesus
Christ and about family and really how to you know,
follow God's plan for your life. And I think that
those that you know, uh actually tuned in to hear

(51:53):
his full statements on those things. That's what they experienced.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Pastor Lucas Miles. A turning point is this is this
movement open to Jews, to Muslims, to seeks to those
who do not believe in God whatsoever. The three points
of Charlie Kirk was number one God and number two
is family. Number three is America. Is this message if
you're a Jew, if you're a Muslim, if you're a Sikh,

(52:17):
if you're some other sect I guess a Mormon certainly
is the best people I've ever met in my life.
For Mormons, by the way, But nonetheless, is this message
open to Jews and the Muslims?

Speaker 12 (52:28):
I think it depends on what message we're talking about. So,
first off, the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
is open to all people who would put their faith
in him. That is the inclusivity of the gospel. But
the exclusivity of the gospel is that only those who
receive Him by faith are able to become children of God.
That's from a Christian theological standpoint. But if we're talking

(52:50):
about the message of conservatism, the message of liberty, the
message of some of the work that say, maybe our
secular side at turning Point Action or Turning Point USA
is doing on college campuses that you will find, you know,
Charlie was always a big tent, you know, thinker. We
have people from all different backgrounds, you know that that
have come alongside the Turning Point brand that have been

(53:10):
part of our chapters, have been part of our groups.
And that's not something that is inherently Christian to that
although a lot of our people happened to be Christians.
Uh And I think that that liberty and freedom you know,
really originate from a Christian idea in that sense. But
we have people from all different backgrounds that partner with us.
You see that, you know, we're you know, even displayed
in some of our speakers, you know that we work with.

(53:31):
So I oversee you know tp USA faith, which is
you know, kind of our our our church driven arm
of that. So I work with a little bit different
base of individuals than what Turning Point USA and Turning
Point Action you know, are working in within a daily basis.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Is it dangerous out there? I saw what happened in
Tennessee State University and which there were three or four
representatives and they were literally had their placards, they were
torn up. The chairs who were overthrown. There was like
a mini riot. The police show up even after the
death has been almost a month now of Charlie Kirk,
And is it still dangerous out there to be a

(54:07):
Christian to believe in God, family, and country? How dangerous
isn't And have you seen the recent videos on college campuses.
The violence has not stopped.

Speaker 12 (54:17):
You know, I think it's been dangerous to be a
Christian for about two thousand years, and I think that
it's going to continue to be dangerous to be a
Christian until the Lord returns. The Bible says in John
fifteen that you know, Jesus says specifically that they will
hate you because they hated me first talking about himself,
and so you know, we know that there is a
hatred for Christians in this world because people who are

(54:39):
rebelling against God and have hatred for God are going
to hate His children, his people, his name, his voice.
In any of those sayss I believe that Charlie was
silenced not for his political views, but because he was
a Christian, because he stood on biblical principles, because he
testified to his faith. He died of murdyr and so yeah,
it is dangerous. But you know, our love in the
same way that God loves us enough to send his

(55:00):
son to die, we love the world enough in Christ
to be willing to put ourselves in dangerous positions and
at the risk of personal peril in order to share
this gospel. Obviously, we want to be smart. I would
encourage any church out there they should have security right
now that if they should be rethinking their plan. We've
seen an uptick in church violence, all of those things.
All of us have to be thinking about this. This

(55:21):
is not just you know, turning point USA, but but ultimately,
you know, we believe that this life, it's a butt
of vapor and it is worth the risk to be
able to lead somebody else to you know, out of
a pit of hell into an eternal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Now, lastly, how's Erica doing? And she her speech I
thought two days after the event was one of the
greatest things I've ever seen. It was, I believe. It
was on Friday night, about nine pm, two days after
her husband was murdered, and she related somewhere that she
wanted to to see his body. Uh he want She
went into the morgue and and looked at his face

(56:01):
in the hand, a slight smile on his face, and
she said, it's relatable because the second he was dead,
the next second he saw the face of Christ and
that was reflected on his face. How's Erica doing?

Speaker 13 (56:14):
You know?

Speaker 12 (56:14):
I think anybody who goes through tragedy and just just
such a heinous event at this level is going to
have a wide array of emotions. All of us here,
you know, we are cycling through feelings of you know,
probably disbelief and anger and these things. But I think
Erica has made very clear, uh you know, where she
stands on this. We saw her ability to really just

(56:36):
grab a hold of God's grace and unconditional love and
something that was truly supernatural when she you know, uttered
those words, I forgive you, know, I forgive you. I mean,
this is it's so powerful. It's this is a difficult time,
as you can imagine, but God's grace is really, you know,
I think, falling on all of us here at TPUSA,
And I think that we've really looked to Erica to

(56:58):
to be able to be that stabilizing or see her
navigate through this with such resolve and grace and strength
and stability despite a men's pain has been a really
unifying factor. I think for all of us.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Pastor Lucas Miles, thank you the book as Pagan Threat,
and that title puts the cheese on the cracker. Pagan threat.
It's everywhere. Pastor Lucas Miles, You're a great American. Bill Cunningham,
the Great American. Live with you every Sunday night. All right,

(57:42):
Billy cunning in the Great American. And I will continue
to follow what's happening with Turning Point. USA. Had Charlie
Kirk on a couple times. I've met myself available in
the Midwest to go to certain rallies. I will stand
up tall and proud for the legacy of Charlie Kirk.
So when you have a pagan threat, the book written
by Reverend Lucas Miles, who is a close associate of

(58:05):
Charlie Kirk and things of that character, I kind of
want to stay close to this group because this bullet
cannot change the trajectory of what Charlie Kirk contended. It
simply cannot happen. I let's continue with more coming up next.
As Erica Snsey, she's the founder of Parents Defending Education,
Bill cunning him to Great American with you every Sunday night,

(58:48):
Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, if you've listened
to me the past several years, certainly public education isn't
complete turmoil. Although I'm very familiar with happening in Cincinnati
public school, it's the same as true in Chicago or
Austin or Sacramento, in New York. I could not imagine
being in Atlanta Public school, where that education must be.
Like I've referenced before that many of these kids come

(59:09):
out as marching Marxist. The average twelfth grader in Chicago
reads about the eighth grade level. It's in doctrination, not education,
and it's getting worse, it's not getting better. Jonaan you
and I. I is doctor eric Osanzi. She's a public
relations director with defunding, defending education, et cetera, and defunding

(59:30):
education as it is today. And Erico, welcome, I think
for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before
we get into your article at OutKick, which I think
was fabulous, can you kind of tell us what's happening
with doctor Ian Roberts, the superintendent des Moines, which is
illustrative of a larger problem.

Speaker 9 (59:47):
Yeah, I mean, this is one of those stories that
you actually feel like it's like made for a move
to be made into a movie. Every time I checked
the news, another shoe has dropped related to this guy.
But essentially, you know, the Des Moines Public Schools that has,
you know, thirty five thousand students hired this man, doctor

(01:00:09):
Ian Roberts, to become their superintendent. His salary plus benefits
all in per year with three hundred and five thousand dollars.
And it turns out that he appears to just be
kind of like a con man. So he was arrested
the end of last week by Ice or detained I

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think the word right, detained by Ice because there was
an active deportation order out for him, which was issued
under the Biden administration in May of twenty twenty four.
When he was pursued by the ICE agents, he abandoned
his car and took off in like some sort of
like woods or like they think they said it was
like a brushy area, left a loaded gun in his

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car three thousand dollars in cash. So that's already like
a pretty big story. But it turns out that he
also had lied about his credentials had lied about getting
a doctorate from Morgan State, which he never did. So
he was going by doctor back when he was working
in the DC Public School in twenty twelve, but he
didn't actually get his or his doctorate until twenty twenty one.

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And I think it was kind of from one of
those like online diploma mill type places. He misrepresented being
a citizen on his I nine and he also left
behind he worked in a school in Pennsylvania and left in
his wake four hundred and five thousand dollars in legal
settlement costs for the district, all directly related to him.

(01:01:40):
I mean, I mean, I don't you never want to
relish in a story, but it really does like it
just it's it's insane. And then when you see what
his ideology was, when you see what the policies were
in des Moines under him, it just all makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
He was a classic DEI High. He fit the formula
of the liberals of the Point Board of Education. And
I suppose one of the women, one of the ladies
that hired him, is now running for the Senate And
I want to take the place of Jody Ernst next year.
And I'm reading this describe that explain that one.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
It's even worse than that. So, first of all, I
hate to say this because this does make me sound sexist,
and that's fine. This is an all female school board,
and I do think that's relevant because of the way
that empathy is much more easily weaponized with women. Number two,
the Chia the board chair. This woman who is the
chair of the board was in the past Michelle Obama's

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chief of staff, perfect and she's now running for a
US Senate. And the funniest thing is she made a
video a few days ago saying I've been so busy
with my volunteer job as a school board chair this
past week that i haven't had time to can work
on my campaign, So please donate money. So she's literally

(01:03:04):
she's fundraising off a massive failure, which I don't know
that just kind of that takes a lot of I
don't know what to think that people are going to
want to give you money because.

Speaker 8 (01:03:17):
You are now like.

Speaker 9 (01:03:19):
A nationwide spectacle because of your Either two things, one
of two things happened.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Either this was.

Speaker 9 (01:03:27):
Ideology that had taken over and had you know, blinded
them to reality, or this is completing competence.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Well, doctor Ian Roberts is not a doctor. I'm watching
one of the immigration lawyers representing the Trump administration who says,
thirty years ago he was involved in drug dealing. He
was picked up illegally. He's from the nation of Guyana
in South America. Every part of his life is fake.
And now the Moine Board of Education is saying, well,

(01:03:54):
we hired this other company to do the proper investigation.
All it takes is a computer and Google to find
this guy does not have a life at all other
than as a trickster and a hoaster. And when the
gig was up, he ran in a car, parked the
car illegally in a field, ran to hide behind some
bushes and trees with a gun illegally, a knife illegally,

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and with three thousand dollars in cash. And this is
the person the Liberal Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa wanted
to lead thirty thousand kids in the public school system.
I can imagine the results of the testing in that
school district with this guy in charge. And one of
the scoreboard members wiped away tears as she spoke in
Spanish during the Tuesday night acceptance of his resignation and

(01:04:39):
the students. How about this one, Erica Sonzi, how about
this one? There were about fifteen or twenty students who
walked out Wednesday or Wednesday morning in protest. They were
unhappy they lost their good looking superintendent who fed all
the DEI principles. How about the students themselves saying we
want him back.

Speaker 9 (01:05:01):
Well, again, this is another thing with that weaponization of empathy,
right where you convince these kids that in order to
be a good person, they have to stand up for
this guy. Now, I've worked in enough schools to know
most students don't know who the superintendent is. So if
there was an overwhelming awareness of this guy by students,

(01:05:23):
that's also kind of strange. So the fact that they
would be And again you're going to see these the
parents who are protesting again why because it's about these
identity boxes. For them, he doesn't matter what he did wrong.
We've seen this so many times over the past few years,
that people will make excuses and lower the bar if
people check off certain identity boxes. And that's clearly what

(01:05:48):
happened here because it's all indefensible no matter who he is.
But again, but for some of these people, for whom
this ideology has sort of like broken their brains. Yeah,
they they're still kind of clinging to the idea that
he was the right guy for the job.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Liberal females were encaptured with the way he appeared, had
the right kind of hair, representation, always looked great, represented
very well. It was all a fake and a fraud.
Before we talk about your column, which I think is
fabulous at OutKick, I want to talk briefly about Chicago,

(01:06:26):
and I'm reading a headline Chicago Teachers Union Morn's death.
A convicted seventies cop killer and revolutionary and this got
small strift in the mainstream media. But back in the
nineteen seventies, there was a woman who took the name
of Asada Shakur, literally convicted of killing a police officer.
His name was State Trooper New Jersey Warner Forster. And

(01:06:50):
she was convicted in nineteen seventy seven. No question she
did it. She was convicted, And somehow I must have
missed this one. Her band of renegades and revolutionlutionaries broke
her out of a female state prison in New Jersey
and she made her way to Cuba. And so for
the last time, no almost fifty years she's been living
in Cuba, and every president has tried to get her

(01:07:11):
back because she convicted, no questions, she killed a cop
as a revolutionary act. Well, she died about a week ago,
and the Chicago Teachers' Union mourns the death of convicted
seventies cop killer and revolutionary Assauda Shakor. These are the
teachers in Chicago. This is a cop killer in Cuba.
They said, rest in power, rest in peace. Today we

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honor the life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a
fierce writer, a revered elder, a black liberation and a
leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle.
A saught of refused to be silenced. She taught us
so much. So I'm reading this so last week Chicago
teachers honored a cop killer as a revolutionary Why isn't

(01:07:56):
that a bigger deal?

Speaker 9 (01:07:58):
So I saw a lot about this, probably because I
I was on X a lot, and I would say too. Again,
it is important for listeners to know that the union.

Speaker 13 (01:08:07):
Leadership is very radical, yes, and the rank and file
are much less so, though the rank and file often
are unaware of what their leadership.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
Is doing and saying so but yeah, no, Well, we
get to remember this is the same teachers union who
also said that anyone who wanted schools to reopen during
the pandemic was a racist and a misogynist, which actually
an a white supremacist, I believe. So this this is

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one of the craziest, most unhinged teachers' unions in the country.
I am not surprised that they came out and said that,
because that is who they are, and they it literally
makes me think of like it like if we were
going to like as a be like wanting to honor
Timothy McVay or something right where you you know, she

(01:09:01):
in addition to killing being a cop killer.

Speaker 13 (01:09:03):
I believe she was also a bank robber.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Correct.

Speaker 9 (01:09:05):
And the mayor of Chicago was asked about this now,
and he's also a total whack job who used to
run this name this he used to run this union.

Speaker 7 (01:09:14):
To give you a sense, I mean, it's just like he's.

Speaker 9 (01:09:16):
Like a radical revolutionary type. And uh, he didn't condemn
what the union said. He basically said that she what's
the word I'm looking for here? She proclaimed her innocence throughout,
and he said that, you know, when she was convicted,
you couldn't get a fair trial in this country if

(01:09:37):
you were a person of color, he said, so basically,
he defended the the Union by saying she's probably innocent
because you couldn't get a fair trial back then.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
She's a victim, and so her revolutionary band broke her out.

Speaker 14 (01:09:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
The reason I issue on today is is your column
and OutKick headline is teachers who delight in murder and
assassinations are un fit for the job. You go on
to write, millions of kids in this country love Charlie
Kirk saw I'm executed on livestream. You go on to
say that there's a question of fitness for the job,
and you have some of the quotes of teachers and others.

(01:10:13):
Quote another Nazi dead resting urine, Charlie Kirk. You also
the teachers have said, I've watched a video over and
over like fifty times, love every fraction of a second
of it. It gets better with every watch. That's from
a teacher quote. Yes I'm celebrating. Yes I hope he
rots another one far right, buttholes have a target on

(01:10:33):
their backs. One down, millions to go. So these are
teachers in the classroom celebrating in cold blood the murder
of Charlie Kirk. Explain that one to me.

Speaker 9 (01:10:44):
So these are all quotations that I pulled from social
media platforms. So these were k through twelve teachers who
took to public platforms to celebrate this assassiny. They were
not said in the classroom, they but they were put

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out on a public platform in the immediate aftermath of
that murder. And again, like, as I'm wearing my former
teacher hat and my parent hat, this is a question
of fitness. You're not fit for the role of to
be educating other people's children in a compulsory education system

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if this is the way that you behave publicly after
political assassination. And to me, it doesn't matter who the
it doesn't matter who is who gets killed. This behavior
of this behavior of delighting and murder is something that
maybe if my cashier at Wendy's, or my Amazon driver

(01:11:53):
or my mechanic, you know, if if they do that
and I know about it, I can take my business elsewhere.
But that to me is totally different than the adults
who have custodial care of other people's children. And again
I have to say, like, this is a compulsory education system,
and we don't let parents choose they have to send
their kids to a school that they're residentially assigned to

(01:12:16):
unless they have the means to make other arrangements. So
to say that kids are being forced back into classrooms
with adults who celebrated the murder of somebody that many
of these kids didn't just look up to and admire,
but he was like a daily part of their sort
of social media diet, and they saw him snuffed out

(01:12:39):
in an instant. And then they have to listen to
the teacher, you know, or they at least have to
know that their teacher thinks that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
And doctor Sanzi, I'm glad you had that delineator.

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
I think you're mixing me up with doctor Ian Roberts.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
That's it. Eric of Defending Education and the columns at OutKick,
I want to say this, I'm against cancel culture. That
we all have rights of freedom of expression, freedom of speech.
I draw the line if I'm ordering a meal at
a restaurant, if someone a postal worker someone like that,

(01:13:16):
have doing ministerial functions of one type or another. You know,
I'm saying, okay, I can, but I don't want somebody
in charge of my health, like the anesthesiologist from Miami,
Florida who went on another a woman by the way,
who talked about how happy she was that Charlie Kirk
is murdered. I don't want a college professor. I don't
want someone who's at teaching my kids in school with

(01:13:37):
these with this value system, some of the other cuts
that you have about teachers. Quote, I can't believe people
are actually mourning this. I can't use the word quote.
Hearing that Charlie Kirk got shot and died really brightened
up my day. Another one said, I'm glad he's dead.
Another one out of social media said, what a piece
of garbage. This is what happens. He met his maker.
But let's be very clear that maker is not in

(01:14:00):
Charlie Kirk is not in heaven. He's in hell right now.
That's from teachers on social media. So explain again to
the American people why this is not cancel culture.

Speaker 9 (01:14:12):
Well, this is not cancel culture because this is a
question of fitness for the job. And we as parents
delegate the authority to schools to serve in local parentes
during the school day. That means that these are people
that are tasked with educating other people's children. To me,
behaving that way is a sign that your moral compass

(01:14:36):
is completely broken. And if that broken moral compass is
gonna you can't force me to make my kids spend
their time with somebody like that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:46):
Yes, because there's two reasons.

Speaker 9 (01:14:48):
One delighting and murder. And by the way, a political
assassination of somebody in the midst of a debate on
a college campus that clearly is just qualifying, But so
is the lack of judgment. It takes two.

Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
Again.

Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
They didn't whisper this to their spouse, They didn't like
say this when they were out to dinner with their friends,
right they put it on a public platform for the
world to see. So that tells me that they just
they lack any judgment or all judgment required to be
in that kind of a position with other people's children.

(01:15:24):
Because right now, like there are kind of trapped have
I mean, when you look at middle school and high
school kids, especially boys, Charlie Kirk was, they probably saw
him on their phones every single day. Many of them
admired him, looked up to him, thought he was relatable,
thought he was able to say things if they wish
they could say, but they're afraid to say. Liked his politics,

(01:15:47):
but they liked him other people. It wasn't politics. He
was kind of a faith leader for them, so they
looked after him for that reason. For some kids, it
was just finally a regular guy that just like speaks
the truth, whatever it was. They saw his life extinguished
right before their eyes. When we talk about kid not
having boys don't have role models. Boys don't have role models.
That's why we literally watched one of them be murdered

(01:16:09):
in front of their eyes. And then their teacher goes
out and says that that's a good thing. I mean,
couldn't the kid wonder? Couldn't the kid wonder?

Speaker 10 (01:16:16):
Gee?

Speaker 9 (01:16:16):
I wonder if my teacher would be excited if I
was killed.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
We have to run. But Erica Sanzi defending education The
columns on OutKick Bill Cunningham, The Grand American live with
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there's no actual peace happening. And God, so there middly
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So please pray for those special people in Israel going
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I now or next shall be Jeff krue Air Jeff
crue Air of New Orleans about he wrote a great
column at townhall dot com about James Comy why he

(01:17:13):
should be in dieting so much more makes a lot
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Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
The one and only Bill Cunningham.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, Jeff Crueir is
a living legend in the great state of Louisiana. He's
certainly a podcaster. He's written books, he's on radio. He
thinks a lot. He has a lot of columns at
town hall dot com. I have one up the FBI
faces along Road to Redemption and Jeff crue Air. Welcome
again to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before we talk about

(01:18:33):
James Combe and all that kind of stuff, give me
your sense of where we are. We're about four or
five days in in the government shutdown. All it would
take is for the Democrats, five or six more Democrats
in the Senates to say, you know what, enough is enough.
We'll have a clean cr and we're going to vote
for the same continuation of federal spending as we voted
for in March. And this is the Biden budget that

(01:18:55):
concluded on October I'm sorry, on September thirtieth, which is
the fiscal the US. So we're about a weekend of
this thing right now, and they're Republicans saying, well, let's
just keep the Biden budget going, and the Democrats are
going nuts. Give me your perspective if any.

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think the Democrats own this bill.
I mean, I think the Democrats are going to cave eventually.
Already three of them voted with the Republicans. And by
the way, Fetterman is looking like the most reasonable Democrat
in Congress. If only you had more Democrats like Setterment.
But I do think they're going to they're going to
cave eventually. I think they're going to get the heat.

(01:19:32):
I think Republicans should just stand firm. Democrats are trying
to get in this what they couldn't get into one
big beautiful bill, which is basically healthcare for illegals. So
this is all on them. As you said, Schumer went
ahead with the clean cr back in March. In the interim,

(01:19:52):
you got a lot of heat for doing that. AOC
is breathing down his neck, and you know, it's politics,
and he's worried about his position, and the left winging
is down with certain control, and you know this is
what we end up with.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
I kind of have to think, Jeff Career, how does
this end? I assume it's going to be the next
payday to miss they have the federal workers have not
missed the pay day yet. The last one was September thirtieth.
The next one's the fifteenth, and so the paychecks are
supposed to come. And in the past, well when these
eighteen other shutdowns took place, they ever paid anyway. And

(01:20:24):
so we until the fifteenth, there's nothing, nothing much to do.
So this could go on for a while, and this
will give the Trumpster an opportunity to right size the
federal government, the bureaucracy, be careful for what you wish.

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
Well, that's what he talked about doing it me. It'll
be an opportunity for him to make some serious cuts
in government. I mean, we know the government's too big.
I mean, Bill, we've got a thirty seven plus trillion
dollar debt that we have to take care of. And
the president has a unique opportunity here. We should take
advantage of it. And the Democrats are in disarray. They

(01:21:00):
are totally all over the board on the far far left.
You don't have any voices of reason, really very few,
and the president is just driving them crazy. They're just
filled with anger. And you know they're talking about the
president being you know, mentally incompetence. I mean, of course
they said nothing when Biden was president for four years.

(01:21:22):
They just said he was sharp as attack. And now
they're worried about the mental.

Speaker 7 (01:21:25):
Competence of the president.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
A few days ago, I ahead on Senator Ran Paul
the only Republican in the Senate that voted against us.
He voted with Chuck Schumer, and he said, look, the
Republicans want to spend and borrow over this fiscal year,
the one coming up, this one about two trillion dollars
want to borrow that, and that Democrats want to borrow
three trillion, and either it's two or three trillion. At

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some point we're gonna have one hell of a problem
in this country, because if we're not the reserve currency,
or if the other nations of the world and certain
funds do not want to buy our debt, we're gonna
need whalebarrels going to the grocery store to get a
loaf of bread. And so doesn't Rand Paul have a
point about borrowing under Trump's plan and additional two trillion

(01:22:13):
dollars every year for the next several years. Doesn't he
have a point?

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
He? I mean, he has a great point. I mean
I understand where he's coming from. I mean, I understand
his fiscal common sense. I mean, he's one of the
few that really holds the line on spending, and he
was one of the few voices that called out the
lies during COVID. So I mean he's got a record
as a truth teller. Problem is, of course, that you know,

(01:22:37):
they don't have enough like him. I mean, he's out
there on an island and it's just him.

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
So I mean, we need.

Speaker 6 (01:22:43):
More are that are fiscally responsible and give him some
you know, colleagues to work with. Right now, I mean,
it's just Ran Paul on the Senate side. There's maybe
one or two on the House side, but he's right.
I mean, we've got to seriously reform spending. And that
was one of the problems with the One Big Beautiful
Bill is because of the added debt that it created.

(01:23:07):
So that was a legitimate criticism, but you know, the
Republicans said that they had to pass it otherwise we'd
have these massive tax increases which we can't allow. So
you know, we were stuck. Well, and I probably would
have voted for it too, because I wouldn't want to
see any taxes go up either.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
You know, my friend Congressman Tom Massey was the one
in the House that said, no, we can't afford this.
Maybe there's something in the water in the state of Kentucky.
But nonetheless, part of this requirement of Chuck Schumer is
that the five hundred million, the half of billion dollars
be issued to NPR within three days of opening the government.
And so I thought we had that debate concluded, the

(01:23:45):
NPR has its viewpoint, and the reason Democrats fight like
warrior poets to keep NPR is because they're a democratic outlet.
It's not well publicized. But the Democrats want five one
hundred million dollars to refund NPR and PBS, and that's
not been well publicized.

Speaker 6 (01:24:07):
And we've got to stand firm against that because that's
already been decided. They want to revisit all these things, Bill,
which is what you're just talking about. By the way,
do you know that none of these PBS and PR
stations have gone out of business. I mean, all of
them have been able to survive by asking their viewers
and listeners to donate. So they just had to cut

(01:24:29):
back some, but they're still on the air. None of
them have completely closed their doors. So they didn't need
all of this federal large s. They didn't need it.
So we've got to stand firm on that. We cannot
be funding any entities that just present one side of views.
This is supposedly for the whole country, and they're all
their board, all their programming, all their executives are left wing,

(01:24:54):
and we shouldn't be in the business of left wing propaganda, Jeff,
for no question, back down on that bill.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
You know, maybe they could fund you and me. Maybe
they could fund certain parts of conservative maybe they conserve.
Maybe they could find conservative talk radio that would never happen.
And the reason they fight so hard for NPR and PBS,
and the reason they fight so hard for late night
comics the jimmies are unfunny is because they represent democratic viewpoints.
And the reason they fight so hard for New York

(01:25:24):
Times Washington Poast is because they're the outlets of the
radical left. We have to get into this column here
road on September twenty ninth, about the FBI faces along
road to redemption. Let's go over the sins in the
crimes of James Comy, going back at least to twenty sixteen.
Explain that to the American people.

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
James Comy is a liar. He lied about the Steele dossier.
He lied about Hillary Clinton's emails. He should have prosecuted her,
but he didn't. He went after General Flynn in a
very handed way. He basically is a tool of the

(01:26:04):
left that was being used to try to bring down
Donald Trump. He's lied. Now that they have charged him
with perjury, he lied about what he did by you know,
slipping information to his friend who got it published. And
what he was trying to do as he was walking
out the door was to make sure that there would
be a Muller investigation going after the president, and he

(01:26:28):
successfully got this special counsel created, and you know he
lied about it. So he's on record line as the
President Trump posted, it should be easy to be able to,
you know, get a conviction on this guy. The problem
is that the judge is a Biden appointed judge. So

(01:26:49):
that's always seems to be something that the Democrats benefit from.
The venue is a little bit different. It's in you know,
eastern Virginia. It's not in DC, thank goodness. So maybe
we have a little bit better chance for justice. But
the Democrats have such built in advantages from the judges,

(01:27:10):
to the juries, to where the venues are. But this
man is a disgrace.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Well, yeah, you're saying your column as FBI Director James
Comy was a disaster. He should have charged Hillary Clinton,
exonerated Donald Trump, and completely dismissed the bogus THEO dossier.
He should never have authorized warrant applications based on lies
or sanctioned that should be leaked to the New York Times,
which was a crime. He summarily lied to Congress. In fact,

(01:27:38):
even CNN and those who represent the far left wing
have said, I've watched it. Well, James Comy lied. Of course,
he didn't tell the truth to Congress. But that's no
big deal because a lot of people lie to Congress.
So you have former US attorneys saying, well, of course
he lied to Congress. But let's face it, everyone does,
so it's okay. But just on the issue of charging
Hillary Clinton, for those who forgot the summer of twenty sixteen,

(01:28:03):
what did he say Hillary Clinton had done that should
have resulted in her indictment for maybe thirty three thousand counts?

Speaker 6 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I mean he went through the whole list of
things that she had done. She lied, She lied over
and over and over again about her thirty three thousand emails.
But he made the bogus claim that no prosecutor would
indict her, and that, of course is another lie right there,
because I think any reasonable prosecutor would have He said

(01:28:33):
that they wouldn't, So I mean he was covering for her.
Even though Hillary is upset with James Comy because he
brought up the Anthony Wiener laptop towards the end of
the campaign, and of course they went through the Anthony
Wiener laptop in record time. Was able to say that
they went through it all and there was nothing there.
But Hillary still has dug bitter towards James Comy, but

(01:28:56):
nothing compared to Donald Trump is what he did with
the So yeah, I think the president's happy about this indictment.
I think the American people should be. But he's not
the only FBI director who's lied. His successor lied as well.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
Christopher Ray. You say, no longer the FBI director are
facing the same legal problems as James coming. Didn't Christopher
Ray lie about the two hundred and seventy five FBI
agents and informants working the Capitol on January the sixth, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:29:27):
He said he didn't believe that they were any He
didn't believe that they were any and they were two
hundred and seventy four. Now Cash Bettel later said that
they were there, you know, after it had started for
crowd control. Either way, Christopher Ray knew very well what
was going on. I mean, we've been lied to about
Jay six from the beginning. Bill you know, about the

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pipe bombers, the whole way that these protesters were allowed to,
you know, go in there. They've just opened up the
the barricades and allow them to go in and then
charge them for that. And then there were instigators from
Antifa and the police and the FBI, and these people

(01:30:08):
were set up a lot of them, and of course
they were treated so horribly. And look at how that
George Floyd protesters were treated with kid gloves.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Well, the one hundred thousand protesters on January sixth, it
was well known weeks in advanced planes, trains, buses, and cars.
The FBI knew what was coming. In fact, they embedded
these two hundred and seventy four or others into the
various crowds, which is a good tactic. They used it
with the ku Klux Klanned for a long time, but

(01:30:37):
they would never use it with Antifa. But nonetheless, that's
a different story. But they knew, or should have known,
exactly what was planned because their agents were involved with
the groups coming to Washington to protest, and so of
course they knew, and Christopher Ray acted as if we
had no clue what was going on. When they knew
what was going to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:30:57):
Yeah, and Christopher raised the guy who said that the
biggest threat that we face is you know, white supremacists,
that they're the biggest threat to America.

Speaker 10 (01:31:06):
I mean, what a joke, what a liar.

Speaker 6 (01:31:09):
And of course his handling of the Jay six thing
has been atrocious from the very beginning. I'm hoping that
Cash Betel is going to give us some answers about
the pipe bomber, about you know the extent of these agents.
Some good things are going on. We got rid of
some of the folks who were kneeling when the whole
George Floyd mess was going on, and we're trying to

(01:31:32):
show there christ for social justice. Those folks have been fired.
So that's a good step in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
He's going to be a rain comb. He's going to
be a rain on October the ninth. Now, lastly, you
have a great part of your column that deals with
Charlie Kirk, and you haven't here about Charlie Kirk and
the text messaging tether and fro that we need information
now about Charlie Kirk and talk about what you would
like to see happened with the a sassin of Charlie Kirk.

(01:32:01):
Mounting questions I need to answer.

Speaker 6 (01:32:05):
Yeah, I think there are a lot of questions. Bill.
I receive videos every day from people that are poking
holes in the official narrative. I mean, we could spend
hours going through all the different theories that people have
sent me. There does seem to be a lot of
distrust about the official narrative. And you know why, because
you know, we've been lied to over the years. I mean,

(01:32:25):
we have not been told the truth about so many things,
from weapons of mass destruction to COVID to in my opinion,
the election, and you know JA six.

Speaker 7 (01:32:35):
On and on and on.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
So people are obviously distrustful. We're hoping Cash Betel and
Dan bongenail we're bringing integrity back to the FBI, but
we know that there's so many deep state folks embedded
in there. So there are questions that I'm hearing about.
You know, the videos that have been released about the shooter,
about the text messages. A lot of people just don't

(01:32:56):
buy the text messages, don't think that that's how twenty
two year olds communicate, and their holes in the timeline
build the timeline doesn't really add up when you look
at the timeline. So it just is, you know, we
just need more information. We need to have more disclosure
about what happened. This is a man who is a

(01:33:17):
hero to millions of Americans, and he was known to
millions of Americans and now he's gone, and there needs
to be full disclosure about you know, where we stand
as far as the investigators.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Well, to me, the biggest hole to me are the drones.
According to one report, I saw the six to ten
members of Charlie Kirk's security team when they went to
the site. They looked up and saw three or four
buildings about two hundred yards away, and they said, we
have to get those buildings covered. They were thinking about
the assassination attempt on Donald Trump and Butler County, Pennsylvania,

(01:33:50):
and so they were said, we have drone technology with us,
and we can put drones over the top of those
buildings where a sniper might be, and we can monitor
who's on the roof and the roof, and the security
team for Charlie Kirk was told by campus police, we'll
have that covered, don't worry about it, and look what happened.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
Well, and I've been told that there was like six
policemen from the university that were at the event, I
mean six and we had I mean thousands of people
that were there. So there was a massive error in
the security, just like there was in Butler, Pennsylvania. And
I mean, I think a lot of it's still have

(01:34:30):
questions about the Secret Service, and some recent incidents have
occurred that have raised more questions about the Secret Service.
So I think again people are distrustful of the official
narrative that they're hearing, and you know, we need to
get to the bottom of what happened here. So were
we being told that there was just another quote unquote

(01:34:51):
Loan woolf wolf who was able to get all done
by himself, right, get up there, disassemble the rifle, get
down somehow, get it in the woods, in the woods,
and then.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
To be discovered, to be discovered in there, and and
take it with him to be discovered. And I'm thinking,
where are the drones? What assassin leaves the weapon behind this,
assembles it, leaves it in the woods, go back. I
don't get it. Jeff curR, let's keep the lines open
of communication, uh, New Orleans, and your columns are always

(01:35:23):
a town hall And Jeff Creue Air dot Net and
Jeff continue to question. Thanks for coming on the Bill
Cunningham Show, and Jeff, you're a great American.

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Thank you always a pleasure. Thank you, Bill appreciate.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Let's continue with more drones. We got that covered and
it wasn't and Charlie Kirk is dead. Bill Cunningham with
you every Sunday Night by Billy Cunningham. And I brought

(01:35:56):
this up at the end of the interview with Jeff Kruer,
And by the way, coming up next is Jeff Gilson
about certain criminal activities imposed upon the Trump administration by others.
But the time I spent with Jeff Careery briefly is
that there was drone technology that was normally used at
a Charlie Kirk rally, especially when buildings are like a

(01:36:17):
sniper's nest, especially after Butler County, PA. And according to
one media account news account, the administrative team and the
security team for Charlie Kirk went to the site a
few days at a time said those buildings have got
to be covered. We have drones. We can send up
the drones and then we can monitor the drones in
real time on our laptop. And the police told Charlie

(01:36:39):
Kirk's team don't worry about that. We'll get that covered,
and somebody did not get it covered. I think I
have trust in faith and now the FBI and especially
Dan bond JUNI to do what's right. But someone's got
to answer the question. It's all these loose ends about
the assassin and how it happened, who helped, who cooperate

(01:37:00):
at it, etc. But why those building tops could easily
have been covered and they were not. To me as
a major folk, Let's continue with more. Jeff Gilson is next.
Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night. Let's continue now,

(01:37:30):
Bill Cunningham, the great American. The media, the left wing media,
is going crazy over the indictment of James Comy, and
having read the indictment, there were three counts proposed by
the prosecutor's office. On the third count there wasn't a
true bill returned to Northern Virginia. But on the other
two counts there were true bill's returned against James Comy,
the first FBI director ever to be indicted on anything.

(01:37:52):
And the media has got on the side of James Comy,
largely saying why this should not take place. So I
thought we'd get perspective on this from Jeff Gilson. He's
a retired attorney developmental consultant and he began his career
crafting speeches for Margaret Thatcher and leverages dual a US
and British citizenship to navigate all the elite political circles
between the US and the UK. And Jeff Gilson, Welcome

(01:38:14):
to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Jeff,
can you just give the overview to the American people?
What are the two counts, what are the facts supporting
each and why is this such a politically hot football.

Speaker 10 (01:38:26):
Well, Bill, I'm not sure how much time to have.
I'll tell you what I will do basically for your listeners.
They're probably much like me, even though I'm steepness kind
of thing. There's a lot of confusing stuff going on,
and we could spend some time talking about the detail.
I will ask your listeners to do something different, all right.

(01:38:46):
The two countsl it's a very short indictment. It's two
pieces of babies. One he lied to Congress, two he
instructed justice. That's all anybody needs to know at this stage.
Beyond I ask your listeners to do that if they
can remember about ten years. Rely, folks, on your memory,
because this, I think is what is very crucial here.

(01:39:09):
So let's be immediate. You're absolutely right getting all up
in arms about the indictment. First thing, Trump didn't indict Comy.
Bondy didn't indict trom You didn't indict him. I didn't
indict him. A grand jury indicted him. That's the process.
Let's trust the process. What's happening is too many people
are undermining the process when it'sues their political convenience. Convenience,

(01:39:32):
A grand jury indicted tromy Comy. Next thing, there will
be a trial. Let's leave it to the trial to
examine the facts. But in the meantime, rather than trying
to understand all of the counter allegations flying around, trust
your memory. What can is accused of doing is this.
He is accused of lying as saying that he never

(01:39:55):
leaked any information in twenty sixteen about an investigation into
collision between Trump and Russia, and that when he lied,
he instructed justice. All right, guys, cast your mind. By
twenty sixteen, first election Trump got elected, do we remember
that there was talk about an investigation into Trump and

(01:40:18):
Russia and collusion. Yes, we all remember that was the
news in the summer twenty sixty, right, Bill, it came
from somewhere. Either Comy leaked it, or he authorized someone
to leak it, or he was so upset he authorized
an FBI investigation into the league. Did the latter happened? No,
So you're left with the other two folks. It's that simple.

(01:40:40):
It has to be proven in court. But we knew
about it, so that that that's the first thing. Now,
look basically, that's it. Rely on your memory. Don't get
get get sidetracked by this. For instance, one of the
things floating around is that the process of the grand

(01:41:02):
jury wasn't proper. Okay, we need to stop doing this.
Both sides need to stop doing this. There's legal process
and it shouldn't be undermined. Yes, but Trump politicized it
no more than Biden and Obama did. In twenty twenty four,
there was a poll one of many in the summer
of twenty twenty four. We're sixty percent of Americans, not

(01:41:25):
sixty percent of MAGA, not sixty percent of Republicans. Sixty
percent of Americans said that the four indictments and ninety
one charges against Donald Trump was overkilled and that it
was political.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Now, no question, and Jeff Gilson on that we'll deal
with Trump here in a moment. I'm watching a few
days ago. Congressman used to be Congressman Adam Kinsinger of Illinois,
who was a Republican. He went to the Iraqi War.
Now he's an advisor to CNN, and one of the
classic throwaway comments he made is that we all know,
of course James Comy lied to Congress. Then he's but

(01:42:00):
everyone does that, therefore it's I guess he meant to
imply it's okay. And then CNN played the cuts of
Senator Chuck Grassley asking specific questions to James Comy under
oath in which there was a disparity, according to seeing
a disparity between what Comy had testified to on one
hand and reality on the other. In other words, Adam

(01:42:22):
Kinzinger not a Trump supporter at all. Adam Kinzinger said,
of course he lied, but everyone lies to Congress, therefore
it's okay. And I'm thinking to myself, well, if ten
banks are robbed and you arrest the arm robbers for
one of the ten, you let him go free because
the other nine were not arrested. The answer is no,
and so comy. In my view, on one side, the

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Democrats indicted Donald Trump repeatedly out of Atlanta, New York
City and federally in two different jurisdictions that carried about
seven hundred years in jail. And they did that according
to the American people, and I believe that, as a
former assistant Attorney general, that it was done for political
reasons to stop him from running. And the media didn't
cover it. How ridiculous it was to indict Donald Trump.

(01:43:07):
There were cheerleaders on this hand, the media saying, how
ridiculous is it to indict James Gami? How come the
media is so inconsistent other coverage of these criminal investigations.

Speaker 10 (01:43:20):
Well, the reason for that, for that is that these
people are hoping that the rest of us don't remember
back ten years. Let's go back to it. Let's go
back to our memory after this business, after we knew
that in the summer twenty sixteen, there were these leaks
about Trump and the Russian collusion, which Muller eventually debunked

(01:43:41):
two years later. People forget that in January of twenty seventeen,
when Obama was still in the office, and Democrats would
like to pretend there was no politicization of the DOJ,
the non politicized Obama DOJ and in collusion with Coney
at that time January twenty seventeen investigated and indicted Michael

(01:44:04):
Flynn for exactly the same charges facing Kobe Line and obstruction.
So Kitchinger is saying no one ever does anything about
it now, lots so true you started it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
And in fact, in fact that the Democrats. Yeah, is
it fair to say the Democrats were the party when
Trump was in the White House and out of the
White House that launched these investigations resulting in indictments. And
not just Donald Trump got indicted. There were thirty to
forty others the National seat. There were all kinds of
regular people who were around the Trump orbit and they

(01:44:41):
wanted to indict them. I know how the game is played.
To testify against Donald Trump. Then deals would be offered
to everyone around Donald Trump to get him. Is that correct?

Speaker 10 (01:44:51):
Well again, Bill, they like to think that we don't remember. Yeah,
we all remember twenty three, twenty four when Jack's with
and Letitia James and Fannie Willis, all of whom have
been proven to have been colluding. Let's use that word
with Biden's DOJ, the leiticization of the DOJ. All of

(01:45:12):
them were trying to find people who would do deals.
Michael Cohen, anybody remember Michael Cohen, and he remember anyone
remembered fact he was offered a deal.

Speaker 7 (01:45:23):
Look, Bill, you.

Speaker 10 (01:45:25):
And I you have your experience, I have mine. We
all of us want to see this stopping. We all
of us want to see the constitution and the rule
of law in the United States made sacrisagged again. But
for the Democrats to say it's only the Republicans and
it's revenge is rubbish. This was started with delegitimizing elections

(01:45:45):
and then with then politicizing the DOJ. That started under Obama,
with Clinton and the Steve dossier. He carried on through Flynn.
He carried on under Donald Trump when for two years
Muller special counsel held out that Donald Trump was definitely
going to be found guilty inclusion and then came out
and said no, he wasn't. And then continuing under Biden

(01:46:09):
Hunter Biden and the interference there and he continued with
his pardon. What we want to see is this stop?
But it is not the case in my opinion, And
I'll tell you something. Though I'm a liberal, I'm not
a Republican. I didn't vote for Donald Trump. But what
I have seen with Donald Trump is not that he's
acting in revenge. He is merely picking up what happened

(01:46:31):
in twenty sixteen. Well, people will say, why didn't he
do that during his first term? Because for two years
at least the national security and law enforcement apparatus of
Washington worked against him. James Clapper, Brennan Comy until he
was fired, were all undermining his presidency. I'm not making

(01:46:52):
this up as a liberal. At the time, I wrote
about this and said, people, what are we doing? This
is not the way this is supposed to happen. Why
are national security and dog people briefing against their president?
Trump is now their president. That happened for two yearsn't
it Whilst until Muller came out pale faced and said nope,

(01:47:14):
there was no Russian pollution, the people got a shock
and suddenly realized that something else has been going on.
It has nothing happened during Biden. It is only now
that Trump and his loyal loyalists, unless he's appointed people
who were loyal because the people who were there before
weren't loyal. It is only now that he is starting
to turn to this and it's been what ten months.

(01:47:36):
Ten months isn't a long time. It took Jack Smith
three years to indict We're not Jack Smith, but the
DOJ three years to indict Donald Trump, so he's moving
as fast as he can. Coney is only the beginning.
It will continue with the Steele dossier, It will continue
with Tulsey Gabbard's ICA report. This is only the beginning.
And what everyone needs to do, in fact, with most

(01:47:59):
matters political vote, is calm down and start trusting the
process again.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Jeff Gilson, I'm glad you admitted you're a liberal that
didn't vote for Trump. Therefore your opinion mays may have
more credibility than others. I would point out that a
Keem Jeffries, the House Minority leader, said a few days ago,
you know what goes around comes around. Whoever's involved in
indicting James Cony. At some point, we're going to be
back in charge, and Donald Trump's wait a minute, goes
around comes around. Now I'm coming the round because it's

(01:48:27):
already happened to me and all my people wants, and
at some point doesn't the madness have to stop at
some point, at some point, the two parties got to
stop it.

Speaker 10 (01:48:36):
Exactly, Bill and Frankly, I thank you for pointing up
back to my liberal because I'll put my hand up
and say this. I'll be the first. Let's get off
the bandwagon. Let's stop this. This is doing nothing but
causing people to lose trust in their government. In Great Brittany,
they picked up. I hav an English accent. I'm an
American citizen, but I was born and raised in England.

(01:48:58):
We have a term that I really joy. It's called
the loyal opposition. You fight an election, you fight it
with passion, you fight it with honor, and when you lose,
you shake hands and you say we're going to be
on your tail. We're going to oppose you, but we're
going to do it loyally. We are loyal to the people.
No one is being loyal to the people. With both
sides at the moment are engaged in the screaming and

(01:49:20):
the sloganeering, but particularly led by the Democrats. Well the
Democrats ought to be saying, is we did this, we
knew it was going to come around. We'll trust the trial.
Well wait till that happens. Let's get on and avoid
the shutdown, right, That's what they ought to be doing.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
You know, it used to be that the Democrats and Republicans.
You may have more of a British orientation, but for
decades centuries, the parties fought like crazy. The results of
the election were known, and then Democrats and Republicans in
the Senate of the House will get together and say, look,
let's put aside our political garb for the next year
and a half to two years. We'll worry about the

(01:49:56):
next election a year from November, and let's find out
how we can work together. That didn't work anymore. Well,
I think what happened in twenty sixteen when Trump was elected.
It was a shock to the system. The system did
not believe he could win. And the system knew what
they had done to Donald Trump, and they feared that
when Trump got into power on January twenty seventeen, he

(01:50:17):
would discover what the Democrats had done. So they kept
the investigations going and kept the hunting going to ruin
and to make him possible. Donald Trump, going back in time,
do indict those responsible for all the crap that he
went through in twenty sixteen, and so they were successful
to an extent. For the next four years, lots of
stuff occurred. COVID happened. Near the end, you had the

(01:50:38):
Moler investigation resulting in nothing. He was impeached two times,
and then all of a sudden, the system said, wait
a minute. In twenty I don't know twenty one, twenty two,
what happens if Trump runs for reelection. Oh my gosh,
he's going to find out again what we've done to him.
So we better go after him hard. So Fanny Willis,
Nathan Wade, the New York prosecutors all had meetings in

(01:51:00):
the White House to coordinate indictments, including in the state
of Arizona. Alvin braggs is center of New York City,
to indict Trump and everyone around him to make sure
he didn't get back in power. And a boomeranged on him,
a boomerang Jeff Gilson. The American people said, this looks terrible,
this is wrong. I think part of the reason Trump
won in twenty twenty four was what the Democrats did

(01:51:21):
him in twenty one and twenty two. Sitting at that
thirty filthy New York City courtroom, I had on his son,
Eric Trump quite often talking about his father will not break.
And then he was found guilty. He was guilty of
some I don't know, forty or ninety some counts resulting
in probation and nothing else. And so the Democrats played
the game and lost. In twenty sixteen, they said, oh

(01:51:43):
my god, here he comes again. Let's get him indict it.
And then he won again. Now he'll cut He's coming
back now with vengeance. And I think that's the difference. Vengeance.

Speaker 10 (01:51:52):
Well, you know what, you know, a bill, I'm reminded
of theres someone else there. He's r else. I'll introduce it.
South Africa Nelson Mandela released from prison and a black
majority government and there was peaceing and there wasn't the
civil war people were expecting. And I read of a
meeting in one of the conferences between a white delegation

(01:52:14):
and the black delegation about what should be done? How
do we start talks? And the black leader, the leader
who eventually came president of SADA. Yeah, no, it was
a guy called Mbikie. The This is while Mandela was

(01:52:34):
set of prison, and then Bikie went to the white
leader and said, look, what do we need to do
to get talk starting. Why won't you start? Why won't
you start the talks? And the white guy finally admitted.
He said, we're terrified you'll never forgive us right. And
then Biki said what do you need? And I came
back and said, I've spoken with my president and he says,

(01:52:55):
what are your terms? What are your conditions? Start talks?
And Abiki looked a him in the eyes said none,
There are no conditions. The past is past has spilled
a future. Amen, that's what we need Bill to do. Now.
I'm reminded of something else. Maybe people will remember this.
I remember and it's not just a story. It's true.
At the end of every day in the eighties, Tip O'Neil,

(01:53:18):
we'd go to the White House, go into the Oval
office and sit down with Ronald Reagan and have a
glasses scotch. That politics has been lost and we need
to find it again.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Jeff, Yeah, your column is excellent and the headline is
Comy Island former FBI director goes from top cop to
castaway maroon and legal waters. I encourage people to get it.
I love what you said about South Africa and about
Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan. We need that back, mutually
assured destruction. Cease fire. Let's move on. Jeff Gilson, I

(01:53:51):
love this interview. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And Jeff, you're a great American. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Bill, God bless you. Let's continue. That guy's
got it right right there, and this is revenge, but
at some point it's got to stop. Bill Cunningham, the
Great American, live with you every Sunday night. Hi, Billy Cunningham,

(01:54:14):
the Great American. Thanks for listening tonight. Loved hearing from
Reverend Lucas Miles. One of the confidents of Charlie Kirk
from Turning Point, USA. Book is the Pagan Threat, and
the pagan threat is on college campuses. The pagan threat
is out of Hollywood, the pagan threat is in the
mayor's position and some police departments. The pagan threat is everywhere.

(01:54:35):
And to get the book and understand the police do. Also.
I want to thank especially Erica Sonsey of parents defending
education about Ian Roberts and things of that character. How
could that happen? How could he fall He fell through
the ranks in Des Moines, Iowa as a felon, as
a superintendent of schools because of his life story and

(01:54:55):
because of his race, and the white liberals that run
the school district into mine, eyes glazed over their head
thinking about DEI Principles and somebody from Guyana, and they
were responsible to properly screen this guy, and they failed
to do so. Also, of course, I want to thank
Jeff crue Air from New Orleans about the Komy situation
is going to be arrained, I think on Thursday of

(01:55:17):
this week. But as I said earlier tonight, I'd like
to know more about how why was Charlie Kirk left
so vulnerable in that position, and why weren't the tops
of those buildings covered, much as I like to know
why the top of the building wouldn't cover when Donald
Trump came within a half an inch of being murdered.
That thing is also rather quiet, and I do trust

(01:55:38):
Cash Ptel and Dan Bontin to give us the truth
about Charlie Kirk. Let's continue with more next Sunday Night.
Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday Night.