#156 - Laura Veltz writer of Speechless + I Could Use A Love Song + Rich

Laure Veltz has written No. 1 songs for Dan + Shay, Maren Morris and Eli Young Band. She talks about how she traveled around the country in a family band before deciding to move to Nashville to become a songwriter. She talks about how her being raised unusually led to her being able to write country music. 

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So you're felt sorry. I was already start talking about um,
we have so many friends that no one Ryan heard
as a friend. I would say, I have a lot
of artists, uh buds. But Ryan is Ryan Hurds a
better than a bud to me. And so he was like, yeah,

(01:25):
you know, she went on. I was like, I guess not.
So I'm glad that you're finally here too. I'm so excited.
And Ryan is that to me too. We date back
pretty far. We were both like in other marriages when
we met, both like little rag tag idiots and no
idea what we were doing. And I bonded with him

(01:47):
and I was like, you are a misfit toy. I'm
obsessed with you, right, And I think that's why I
like him to because I'm a total misfit here everywhere
he just does He's just does him. He's not interested.
I love it. We're talking about Ran Hurd. He Let's
let's run through a couple of Ryan songs that you
wrote with Ryan real quick. His current single to a
T and then Diamonds are Twine. It doesn't matter, Dimonds. Now,

(02:19):
he's told this story before about the right. But you know,
it's always interesting to me to hear the other not
even other side, but the other angle of like a song.
So talk about this one for a second Diamond Twine,
which he wrote you know about Maren about twenty minutes ago.
I heard it in the Walgreens and I texted him.

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I was like, I was like, Buddy, I told everyone
in line, that's funny. I didn't, but I want to
make him giggle. Um that day was amazing. Every time
I write with Ryan and I love him and I
love writing with him, but he um brought in that
title and you know, I know him and I know
his love for Maren. Who doesn't but you know I

(03:01):
I you know, you can feel energy and he's talking
about diamonds and I'm like, I mean, you know all
that stuff, and he just wanted to, you know, write
a monster love song. And I'm always game for that.
It's like my favorite type of song. Yeah, I wonder
because the environment for you know, making money with music

(03:21):
is different from the passion for making music. And I
even find that within my stuff, like some things that
I know are going to test well and I talked
about that are gonna get ratings, I don't really want to.
And you've got to balance or you have to find
a way to make the things that are wanted in
a way that you want to make them. And so
you mentioned love songs, like do you ever get in
a room and go, you know what, this song probably

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isn't going to be one that that is strange ten
million times or radio plays, but I just feel like
writing it that happens to me here and there. But
to be honest with you, I'm really obsessed with commercial
songwriting and commercial music. So I'm not gathering a lot
of like my influences for any from anything other than
commercial music. So I'm hoping for the people i'm writing

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with and for the artists i'm writing for, that there
is a component of it's possible to be on the
It can be on the radio, even if it's a little,
you know, a little different or something. I'm hoping that
because all I listened to is the radio, and you know,
music that's available not just on you know, terrestrial radio,
but music things that people are consuming right now. I

(04:27):
hope that the component that I'm bringing is like commercialism,
commercialism or something like that. It's interesting that you would
say that because I would look at you and go
has no interest in being commercial. You have the sleeve tattoos.
You guys. I mean like like kind of counterculture. Yes.
On one side, me, I myself, I really am uninterested

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in the status quo of living and walking and breathing.
But in terms of my taste in music, I don't
know what it is. But if you heard the list
of my like wildhood favorite songs, you'd be like l
O L like like it's songs that got me that
still make me cry, are like Michael Bolton's song and
like like said I loved you, but I like I

(05:11):
actually showed that to Ryan at some point back in
the day and I was just like he had heard it,
but I was like, you haven't digested this enough. Like
this song is magic, Like Mutt Lang. My heart is
Mutt Lang's, Like I just I love music that everyone
has agreed upon and not after the fact, but kind
of like you can see it coming, you know, like
the Common Denominator music is my favorite, Like this is

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accessible to everybody. I love language. I'm a linguist. I
love words and the idea that you can say something
complicated and emotionally complicated, very simply turns me on. I
don't know, you know a song that I think is
very available to everyone, and everyone kind of um would
assume their narrative is speechless. What you wrote with Dan
and Ja and so and the Monster song. I mean, so,

(05:56):
it's gonna be so cool to have a song not
only be big, but the next level. It's so exciting
and it builds like a snowball. Here it comes. Is
he going to do it? Okay, it's doing it? Oh,
what's going more than? And now I was taking down
the city like it didn't just roll. Like it's gotten
so big it's knock going over houses. I told, I
told my publisher, and I tell a lot of people

(06:17):
that Speeches is my first um job security song where
I can tell that even if I never read anything
good from this day forth, like some bitch is gonna
call me in thirty years and be like my daughters
haven't wedding, will you I can't afford it in shape?
Will you play? You know? And those she'll pay me
ten grand to come play it. Like I can see

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that that song I knew it like I was like,
this song is how I'm going to keep my lights
on this kind of song, and you know, at the
end of your career, you've written hopefully like whatever, but
there's going to be three or four that people mentioned
at the end of your life, and I have a
feeling speeches will probably be one of those. Yeah, I
do too. And so when they put the record out,

(06:59):
because I'm I'm really close with Dan and pretty close
with shay Um, I feel the same way, same balance,
and so um like Dan was over the house and
we're talking about the record, and I was like, is
before speech was a single, right, Tequila was killing it.
It still is, right, both of those songs, like you
almost can't decide which one to play because they're both

(07:21):
so big and so good, right, And so I was like, damn,
I love Speechless. You come play it on the show.
The record was just coming out and it wasn't a single,
but I was like, you have to play Speechless like
that song to me, and He's like, you know, and
they come and they play it. I was talking to Abby,
his wife, who I'm close to. Amy my my coast
is very close to, like they hang out outside of work.

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He's a special girl. I had one day with her,
but I feel like she's my best friend and she
loves dogs. How do you not like somebody who loves
the dog? Truly a kind heart? And I remember Abby going,
you know what? She told me. I don't think she'll
care that I say this, because the first time I
heard it, I didn't really hear it that she goes,
she goes. I was like, yeah, it's good. And I
was like, oh, man An Abbey that song when you

(08:02):
heard it come back produced, were you like, oh my god,
it's even better. It's better than I thought it could be. Well,
what's amazing is the demo. You know, Dan is really
big on like, let's let's present a demo. This song
was we got the vocal and they didn't even have
any harmony, and I was like, guys, you're a harmony band,

(08:22):
Like are you sure you want to show the label
without like the big cell and he's like, we don't
need we don't need anything. We're done. We need to
give this to you know, Scott uh and and see
what happens next, you know, And he was right. Dan's
Dan is a really special artist in terms of he
has such a balance of like same thing like commerce

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and art andy psychotic, which helps psycho and and it's
for me. I say that as someone who's also psycho,
because we're both O c D like crazy with lists
and tasks. He is the most practical artist I think
I've ever met. I completely concur and also to add
a fun fact, he is the most inclusive. Like songwriters,

(09:08):
you could be best friends with the artist you're writing
this song. Oh my god, you're on the bus, hugs, kisses,
everything is joyful. You cannot hear from someone for a year,
like it's a real thing. And even if your songs
on the rains, like see you at the Number one party,
Like sometimes that happens, and not as much to me.
I know this happens, like you think you're best friends
with people and then they just split, you know, because

(09:28):
they're busy, and it's perfectly understandable. But Dan makes time
to be inclusive, like he'll call and say, guys, I
really think this week we're gonna hit top twenty about it,
Like he's giving us little like inside scoofs and stuff,
and it's it's awesome and it's so special, like to
be involved in a way that's kind of new to me.

(09:48):
I mean, I've been in the business for this particular
business for eleven years, and I've just never been so
aware of what's going on with the song. But Dan
and both songs, keeping score the other one that record, yeah,
the two Like he'll he'll give me a little updates.
So this is even when that was happening. You're not
gonna believe it, guys, but Kelly Clarkson is gonna. Yeah.
I mean that was huge. I've never had anything like

(10:09):
that happened. And I would have found out. Typically i'd
find out for my publisher and be like oh, and
then I'd be thanking them. But he like he brings
you into the fold. It's really sweet. The cool thing
about Dan from Dan and shay Um is and we
talked so inside here it's Dan from Dan and that
is that he's so good also at knowing and I

(10:29):
mean this in the most complmentary way, at knowing his
role too, because he's like Shea is the singer, like
she's the front business man. He's like this is like
I do this and Shade does this and we're great together,
but I'm not trying to be the front man. I
think they are so lucky to have found each other. Yeah,
I mean in both directions equally equally, and they tried

(10:52):
different things that didn't work, but it was like that
perfect and listen, she's not tracking both, she's not doing
any that crap. She wants to sleep and sing. And
he's the best. He's the best, is the best. And
Dan is like, you sleepy, I'll handled this when it's showtime.
You do show. It's great. That's they're a great team. Yeah,

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I love By the way, here's keeping score. It's a
Dana Shane Kelly Clarkson. Did you write this as a duet?
M So it wasn't. We're going to write this and

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go search for someone that's even cooler than all of
a sudden, big artist comes in. It's the best. That
song is. That song is like a life for a
moment for I think for Dan and for me. He
had that title and he really was feeling those feelings
my phone. Let's turn it on somebody cool. Tell him

(11:55):
about somebody cool, tell him everybody's trying. It's not not
at all. It's lamous for soon in my like, it's
not a person. It's like a like a text box.
It's like one of those things. Body. Yeah, your prescription
needs to be filled. That's what I get. I'm so cool.
I know it wasn't Ryan. He's going to ask anything
Twitter chat right now, and you just answer one of

(12:16):
my questions. I was like, how do your arms get
so big? And he did a video back He's like
Bobby and Nashville asked how my arms get so big?
Oh my god. Um let's circle back to ABS and
Ryan in a little bit. Okay, that is a good
story because I talked to him all the time with
the body. Yeah, I make fun of him all the time.
I make fun of it because I want It's one
of those where it's like I'm gonna be fun of
you because I don't have it and I wish I did.

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But just on the Danna Shat, just one final comment
about this, like from speech, like you're going to be
so rich and that's so cool. I mean, really, it's
not even you. You're not even gonna paid for that song.
Ye I would imagine I started, it'll be it'll be
three months or three quarters before, yeah, and then it'll
trick all a bit. But you're gonna be so rich
from that. That's gonna be so cool man, And you

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know what you deserve every freaking any of it? Thank you?
How many people wrote that song for you? Who else?
Dan and Jordan Reynolds? Who you should? Who is a hoot?
I don't know if you know him, and he is
adorable from Brandon. I remember Brandon Ray. I think he've
worked with Brandon Ray. I'm pretty I don't know. I
only know him as a goofall friend of mine that
I write songs with. I don't know who else he works,

(13:19):
but I know he works with Dan and Shaye a lot. Though. Mike,
who is in here recently? After Ryan that was telling
us to bring her in? The hell somebody was here recently?
Was do you know Joy Williams? No, somebody was here
at the last couple because you've been a couple of Like, hey,
I was like, I feel like I know, I know what.
That makes me feel really special. It's cool. You know

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what's cool? Like I was reading about so I know
the music part of what you've done. Because one, I'm
a fan of song, I'm finished writing, Like I'm a writer.
I don't write songs. I love that you care so
much at me, but so much to all of us,
Like I enjoyed the art of writing and creating right
and So that's why I started doing this, because I'm like,
I just think it's cool, and all of a sudden,
the things it's a loaded, like hundreds thousands of times, right,

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And so I never did it for that, but I
was like, I love it, and so I started doing
the um like studying the writing part of it. But
so I'm looking up and I know all of your songs,
but then I look into you and and I start
to see like your music history because you were actually
a singer in a family band, which I think is

(14:22):
so freaking cool because you talk about a relationship that's
like nine of them happening at once. In a family band,
you can't even just leave that one. Well you do, well,
you do, but when you do, you're done done, Like
you have to leave. But it's not like you can
just take that's your family. And even then you can't
really leave well, like they're still your family kind of

(14:44):
you know. Tell me about that. So how old are
you and I my family's I kept speaking of counterculture? Um,
I was raised very unusually unusually, that's right, um, And
it's a very long story, but um, yeah, it's like
New York No, Like I was born in New York.

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A month later we moved to Florida, and then a
year later we moved to Alabama, and then a year
later And as a child, I was like, oh, we
moved a lot, but really we my parents are kind
of like what's the word, um uh, gypsy kind of people,

(15:26):
and we lived in other people's houses a lot, and
it was like financially very very tumultuous, and we would
do creative things, you know, for my dad's art a lot.
As a kid, is that why art? Yes, And it's
a religion is another component, but whatever, It's mainly that

(15:47):
my dad was creative and he wanted to be creative
and we were kind of like, oh, well, you guys can.
It was a strange, strange upbringing. And the band was
really like the last, you know, version of that. So
we were like, you know, there was another financial like
oh god, and I was like, let's start a band
and just so happens. We're really we were really good.

(16:09):
Like my sister is an incredibly gifted singer and songwriter.
She's a song on the charts right now. She's a
songwriter as well. My brother was very gifted at playing guitar.
My my parents are actually extremely gifted musically, and we
were signed to Atlantic Records. I mean, it was this
whole thing, but really it's like one this habit, the

(16:30):
up down habit is just it's really hard to shake.
And that was the band. You know, it was pretty tumultuous.
So I don't look back on it like, oh, what
a wonderful fun thing I got to do. It was
more like obligatory, and I'm really happy that I was. Like,
through a lot of therapy, I've figured out what was
going on there, Like it was a lot of weird stuff.
But how old were you that it was obligatory? That's

(16:53):
what makes it weird, is like we were so secluded.
We were so secluded. We didn't have a community. That's
part of why I'm so grateful for Nashville. We were
We moved around a lot where our family was all
we had. So at eighteen years old, I wanted to
go to college and there was a financial problem and
it was like, let's work for the family. And it
lasted ten years, So like eighteen years, and you never

(17:18):
loved it, and you were the front. Me and my
sister shared the lead, but yes, I was the I
wrote a lot of the songs. I played a bunch
of the instruments, and I was managing the van. I
was doing everything, and it was really just trying to
keep my parents lights on. To be honest with you,
like I was just trying to save the family. How
do you get out of that? It's very weird and complicated.

(17:38):
But step one was my sister, God bless her, had
the bravery to be like, I'm out, I don't want
to do this anymore. She just wanted to do a
solo career. And I was kind of like me too,
like I was so afraid to hurt the family, but
she was brave enough to get out of there. And
then I got out of there, and we both moved well,
no, no no, I moved to Nashville, and then she eventually

(17:59):
moved to Nashville. And that's how I got out. I
just said I'm done and I didn't want to sing anymore.
I feel like singing is something I get to do
all day long. For me, all day long, I have
a show later, I'm doing a little gig later, like
a corporate gig, just singing three songs, and I'm out
of there. I get to sing all the time, and

(18:20):
I love singing. I love it. It's so much fun.
But selling singing is like, I'm done. I don't want
to sell anything. I just want to make stuff, do
you know what I mean? So when you came to
town and did you just want to write songs? That
was the goal, and I have no other goals to
this day. I don't want to publish anybody. I don't
want to manage anybody. I don't want to work for

(18:41):
a label. I literally just love this. I like, I
fucking love writing songs, Like I'm just as excited about
what I wrote today as this speechless I'm just as excited.
Like that's really what gets me going is just making
something makes sense and it's like complicated emotions and putting
it into simplistic wording like that to me is like everything.

(19:06):
Do you think that you're not so awesome? Experience singing
in the family band, though, has made this happen now
where you don't want to sing because of that. I
think there's a portion of it there, and I feel
like that's sort of a therapy conversation that I will
work through at some point with my amazing therapist Loreally,
she's like my she's like my safe place, you know,

(19:26):
if you're shouting at your therapist. I love you, girl.
I'm so grateful she's really helped me through, like kind
of really putting a lot of this in its place.
Like it's a very complicated and unusual life. Have you
ever read The Glass Castle? I have not. I haven't either.
She told me, like, don't read it. But that's your life.
Like it's a really weird upbringing where you have there's

(19:47):
no safety or security and you're just kind of hoping everything.
I mean, that's not no way to raise children. And
I have three children now, and like I'm, you know,
aware of what happened a little more, you know, But
that's that could go on and on. It feels like
pop music was your counterculture. It is. Did you talk
about you love pop music? You've just nailed it. You

(20:08):
weren't supposed to love pop music. That's exactly right, and
you you fucking nailed it. Because when we were signed,
I wanted to play by the rules and it was
like we're too cool for that, we're too cool for that,
and I was just like, but it's good, and I
don't understand, Like I was so confused, and you weren't
supposed to like it, and what do you do when
you're young everything you're not supposed to like your drawn
You just gave me something new to too on. Truly,

(20:30):
that is the truth. I love rules, That's really what
it is. My my family didn't was allergic to rules
like no, thank you. I don't want to be a
part of that thing. And so there's a little bit
of counterculture like in my blood. But you're absolutely right.
Music was like the thing. I love bumper bowling. I
know how to hit the pens like you, aside the lanes.

(20:54):
You are amazing. Love love lane, and I love to
create lanes and stay in them. I didn't have any
rules ever. I grew up. You know that. I wasn't
a family man. But I don't know anything about your childhood.
If there is like a public knowledge to fill me in,
I don't know. I don't know about public knowledge. I
grew up. Um my mom was a drug addictuly diner forties.

(21:14):
I don't know my dad. So it was like ten.
I was kind of raising myself officially in the same
like weird column. I got it, okay, Yeah, And I
never had rules ever, which is it seems great, um,
but it's like rules. Yeah, I think structure, at least
some structure to to be taught structure as a thing.

(21:36):
Maybe you don't love it, maybe, but I was never
taught it. That being said, I think there's a beauty
now too. I don't ask about a lot of rules.
I just go and do things and then if I
need to learn the rules later, I do. But I
think you're able to go into so many undiscovered places
where it seems like, wow, this person is a real trailblazer.
But no, no, I'm not trailblazing anything. I'm just doing

(21:56):
what I feel instead of doing what I've been taught.
And so yeah, for me, it was I had to
kind of grow up real quick. I think that's a
fairer everyone says. You know, I don't know if you've
seen everyone's seen. It's a wonderful life. But you know,
when he's like, you're born older, George, it's like, I
feel like people that are in situations like that just
are born older lucky for them, or they have to

(22:18):
grow up really fast. And I don't know, I'm glad
to hear that about you. It's neat to connect about that.
Luke Dick is someone also really weird, Like everyone with
like weird stuff. I'm like, oh, you know, Jesse, Joe
Dylan is another one you might want to talk to someday.
She's amazing. And I find these like weird people, you know, Dan,
weird people. Everybody's like funky stories and that's what makes

(22:42):
me feel cozy. But then, like you said, I think
it serves you, you know what I mean, having like
shitty uh situations as a kid, I wouldn't undo it,
Like if I could go back, I wouldn't undo a
thing because I feel like I'm calmer. Then this doesn't
seem like that big of a deal. Like I'm very like,

(23:02):
I'm just having fun. I'm having fun, you know. But
I think that's what I have to be grateful for.
It's like thank you for setting the ship bar so
high that I hardly ever, like I don't even see
it anymore. In my life is like really easy, And
I'm like, God, yes, you know, do you I'll not
project onto you. I'll tell you me and then I'll

(23:23):
ask you the question. Because you know, in your childhood,
you're wired pretty hard and it's hard to shake that.
And that's why I've been through a lot of therapy.
It's because I know a lot of things because I
was taught a lot of things early and not the
right things. So you're trying to unlearn things and for me,
vulnerability stuff because i'd like be right, I didn't. I

(23:45):
was the only one there for me but to shell up,
never let it in right, And so you know, I
still struggle with that now at I'm thirty eight years old,
I'm two months older than we're basically the same anything.
So it's like, you know, I've never been married, I've

(24:06):
never been engaged, and it's all of that because of
you know, how I grew up, and I'm trying to
undo it, like I'm gonna unwind that ball. It's really hard,
but it's it's like worth the work. Do you do
a m d R at all I did for a while? Yes? Absolutely,
it was awesome. Yes you have to. So for those
that don't know and you're MDR maybe different than what So, uh,

(24:28):
you go in, I'll go in out set my therapist
and they had to keep share the computer of and
uh did she put things on? You did your Yeah, okay, yeah,
we did the ears and it's like and then you
talked through and you look and see things and things
just like coming out of you. Yeah, so I did

(24:51):
M d R for a while. Um, you've done it.
I've done it, and I'm so glad I did. I
got to a point with my therapist where there's so
many amazing things you said I would. I don't want
to forget that that your thing is like wall, it's
up to da dad, like mine is um abandonment, Like
I when my my husband, I have the most amazing husband.

(25:13):
I'm so lucky. I can't believe I found him, his family,
blah blah blah. If he leaves town, I he's in
my head, he's dead, like he's you know, he's he's
sleeping with somebody else, Like I have these weird like
I need to protect myself. I get real scared that
he's abandoned me. And I'm saying that fully full frontal,
because I'm sure a lot of people struggle with this,
and you know it's a thing. But my therapist is like,

(25:36):
we need to get to that, and she couldn't quite
get to it, Like he would leave town and I
would just crumble again. And even if when it's out loud,
you're still kind of like God I'm still doing it
and it still hurts. It's like it's one thing to
be like I'm doing that thing that I do and
it doesn't hurt, you know. And she was like, I,
you know, I think you should do some E M
D R. And mine was this amazing woman in Green Hills.

(25:57):
Um uh. And she would put like headphones on and
there'd be this noise that we go back and forth
d D D D D like a hearing test, Yes,
like a hearing test. And I told her some like
really awful, dark memories I have from my childhood, and
she would walk my adult self back to those places
and save me from that situation. And it basically just

(26:21):
is a quick processing thing. It's not magic. It's literally
like forcing your brain to process something to the end
rather than having it like an open book. It's like
a unfinished business or something like that. And man, it
helps so much. I mean, it really helped me kind
of go like that's over. It's over. You're not that

(26:43):
little girl anymore. You're not scared, You're fine. You You're
like have a safe place to be, you know. And
I just I therapists, financial advisors, really good publisher. I
feel like I have family in those people, and then
I have my husband's family who rule, and all these
friends we keep talking about. I just feel like I'm
more than made up for lost time in terms of community,

(27:04):
for sure. What I find refreshing about this conversation and
what I've been able to see two is when I
wrote my first book, I was nervous that people were
going to feel sorry for me. I didn't want that.
And I would go and I do stand up so
do theaters all around the country, and I would I
go and I meet pretty much everybody before or after
the show, and or I would do the book tour,
I go on book to her, and I would be

(27:25):
nervous because I didn't want people feeling bad. I never
want people feeling bad for me. It's weird because I
also don't like both feeling happy for me, because you
can't really have one, you know, there's always this meter
of where you are. You can't just be super happy
without having super sad, and so I I struggle with
any emotion at all, right, And so I was like, maw,
don people feel bad for me? But I wrote these
stories of what I learned was with one story particularly,
was nervous writing my first book because before my mom died,

(27:48):
she was struggling hard with meth and um, alcohol and
all the hard stuff. But she was she was an addict,
which is why I've never I've never drinking alcohol or
done that because I know I can't. I would love
up to, but I know I would just I'd be
champion of it, and I'm super competitive and I would
win the alcohol contest for sure. But I I remember

(28:08):
I wrote a story in my first book and it
was about my mom and she was in bad shape
financially and she did porn and she called me and
was like, I'm gonna put this out if you don't
give me money. And I wrote this story in my
book and I was like, I don't know if anybody's
going to going to understand this or feel bad, and
you know, and that was the thing I worried about
the most. But so many people came up to me
and they were like, you have no idea how much

(28:29):
I empathize with that situation. Maybe not that exact exact thing,
but that situation where people and I kind of went,
you know what, I think we're all just messed up
in our own way, and if we're all messed up?
Is it even really messed up? That's what it came
down to for me, Like we're not even we feel
we're messed up because nobody talks about it. But when

(28:51):
people start talking about it, you go, oh, we're the same,
and so if we're all the same, it's that's not
messed up. This is why I write songs because I
feel like they're most of people on this planet are
walking around feeling a ton of things and just not
l They're not linguistically structured to put words to things.
When you hear a song, you know there's a random example.

(29:13):
I'm sorry, I'm circling back, but this is exactly why
I write songs. Uh, just another day in Paradise, Uh,
what's his name? Just think about that? Songs like kids screaming,
phone ring and dog barking, the man my ring and
its tack about. I love this song. It's amazing. It
is literally the picture of a normal American life. I
had no idea at eighteen years old. I didn't have

(29:35):
the gifting to put together why I was so obsessed
with this song. But I now know like I was
setting a picture for what I wanted despite everything that
was going on around me. I just wanted to be
under a roof in a safe place with some kids
and a dog and it being okay that the you

(29:55):
know this, the biggest problem was that, you know, the
pizza guy didn't deliver the like, you know, the restaurant
didn't take the reservation. Like I had no idea at eighteen.
I think it was around where I was like, why
does this song make me cry every time I hear it?
I amount of cry that writer Craig Wiseman. I texted
him about this after How My Babies. I was like,

(30:16):
you set a whole standard for how what I wanted
to live and I had no idea. And here I am.
I got my two babies, I have twin babies, and
I have my babies and they're a month old, and
I'm texting and going like you literally made you kind
of made this happen by writing this song, like you
gave me something to strive for that didn't resemble my
life at all. And this is precisely why I write songs.

(30:38):
I love the idea that if I read about a man,
it's going to be a good man. If I write
about a woman, it's going to be a strong woman.
If I write about love, it's either going to be
you know, amazing and worth it and the one, or
I'm gonna write about making mistakes and owning them. Rich
as a good example of that. Like it's a it's

(30:58):
a silly song, it's fun and makes me giggle, but
it's also she's not blaming this guy, She's blaming herself.
Like I want to make people feel like they have
something to strive for, even if they don't know. You know,
at a young age. Whether do you know what I'm saying?
You're talking around. No, no, you're talking about it, and
I understand what you're saying, because, um, you are doing

(31:20):
and hopefully I'm not cutting the shortcut too quickly. But
what you're doing is what you had done for you.
I mean, you tell me, what do you mean? Well,
you like that he set that standard for you with
the songs for for what you wanted. And I'm not
a therapist. I've been a lot of therapy. But but
as you say, you know, he set that song for you.
And who's saying that, Phil Phil Vaster? Yeah, so Phil

(31:43):
Vaster singing that song. He doesn't have kids, by the way, amazing,
But go on and you're hearing it going that's what
I want. So when you're writing these songs, it sounds
like you're writing the types of songs that made you
feel like you were secure, resolutely absolutely every time, every time,
every day. Every movie I ever saw that made me

(32:05):
feel something like The Goosey is about love, Like those
are noted. I know they're in there, and they're part
of why I found the love of my life. It's
because I took I was like, this is what love is,
this is what I want. It's like you keep putting
it in a little basket or something. You're writing for
others what you needed, yes, and what I hope people
will feel good hearing is possible. I don't know. Art

(32:25):
is so powerful. I mean, art makes us do really
weird ship and makes us move to Guam to pursue
you know whatever. We just do weird stuff because we're
inspired by something artistic. And I'm talking way a whole
lot about this, but this is so why I write
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I have all of them here. Let's see how let's
do some some Mari and stuff. This is uh, let's
do I could use a love song. Here's just like

(34:59):
that now. The odd thing about this song is that
it was Marin's first number one. Amazing, you know, and
congratulations to you. She should have had a couple before it.
I totally agree. But that's our first number one. That's
a that had to be cool for you guys. It
was special because she finally did it, and you are

(35:20):
on that team that finally did it. I completely concur
it was a really magical thing to be a part of.
And Jimmy and I who wrote that with her, we
have a bunch of songs coming out on her next project.
We have a very incredible writing relationship and friendship. It
is a great team of people. Marin is a magic

(35:41):
little creature. I just adore her. Here is a little
creature's funny. Um, here is rich job. I got to
number two to know how funny is that? It was
really funny. I had had I could use a love
song in January, and I knew speech speechless is gonna go.

(36:03):
This is between and if it had gone number one,
and I would have been the first woman to do that,
a new woman to do that in a really long time.
And I was like, you know, And the funny thing was,
I remember the um just the inside stories about the
things that you don't get to hear the songwriter, which
are weird for for me to hear now as someone

(36:26):
who is you know, I'm on like a hundred fifty
radio stations. And I tried not to be the programming
guy because I don't want to get those battles because
what's happening with the programmers is it's a penis measuring
contest between the people that are running the streaming service
and Satellite and I hate each other, and it's a
whole I'm not trying to be in that right. But
I love music because I also create things, so for
a different reason. So I'm hearing these conversations about rich

(36:49):
and people are like, it's not country, it's and stations
were pulling out of it. And it was so frustrating
because I'm also friends with Marin and I'm I'm into
deep in all the ways, and I just heard being
so frustrated that it got to two. It was still thrilling.
I mean it was on the chart long enough where

(37:09):
you're not going to look back in five years and
go like I was a number two. I mean people
know the song. It was also a fourth single. Those
are those are interesting things. Those are interesting cells, like
she's on her next she's in the next space, you know.
I mean they were going to pull it at thirty,
pull it at twenty, They were going to pull it
the whole time because I was seeing all the complaints

(37:30):
and here's what saves songs in the end um So
just because I'm just not a radio guy, like I'm
I just like to communicate, right if it's on a
stage of the microphone over his book or I have
a great platform radio, but I don't consider myself a
radio you know that that kind of guy. But the
whole time that song is people are like, I don't
think it's you know, product, all these things like it's

(37:50):
no country. But what saved it was the fact that
it researched and they would do these they do get
the data back and it'd be fantastic, and it's like
what you want to believe, you're fake kill Billy Penis,
Like you're trying to be fake country. Stop fighting for
something against something and you're fighting against some other dude,

(38:12):
It's just it gets ugly. The reason why I feel
like I don't care is that that song has all
the structure of a perfect country song. We may have
put product in there, and yeah, it's groovy as fun,
but like it's it is a song based on the
blueprint of how a country song is written. And the
fact that not everyone is going to hear that is

(38:33):
totally fine. I am not from here, not from around
here like I. You know, I'm from New York, mostly
mostly from New York. Other parts of the country. I
would never I didn't live in the South long enough
to even understand what goes on down here. You know,
I moved here in two thousand and eight, so I'm
a newbie. I totally get it. So I'm not going
to argue with putting product in a song, but the

(38:55):
old needs to be said that that is so blueprinted perfectly.
You know. I have the strength and the weakness the same.
So I came from pop and hip hop before I
came to the country. So I built my syndica. I
was doing pop music, hip hop. I built my own
syndication company in Texas. Um Now, I grew up in Arkansas,
so I was a huge from Arkansas. Really what part

(39:15):
of Arkansas central Town? Nobody knows, like seven people call.
It's called Mountain Pine, but it's near Hot Springs, which
is near a little rock, which is everything in Arkansas
is close to each from How would I know? No? No,
we were still fishing like never all the times. That's
so cool. Um So, it's funny that I even know

(39:37):
that late. I know, it's like a joke. I get
to tell at parties like, oh, my husband's from I
know where that is? Yeah, Arkansas. I played so much
ball around the state that kind of know everything. Um So,
I had a country background, but I went to pop
and hip hop and I did sport, national sportshore, I
did a national rock show. I just love music. But

(39:59):
I is always the same, right, I'm the same person
on all formats and so, but when I came over
to country full time, I didn't know the rules. Back
to what I was saying, that's what has made me successful,
is it? And I was hated. I was hated so much.
I was hated, and you know what, I still am
a little bit and I'm a really good guy too,
but I'm still I'm still hated because I do things

(40:21):
different and but I think that and what you brought in,
what I was able to bring in was what real
people feel, not what people are supposed to feel. And
there's a difference. There's a different than being where you're
supposed to feel you don't feel it anyway, and what
you really do feel. There are universal, real things that
are reoccurring. There's nothing new under the sun. It's all
the same, like a couple of topics, you know, crazy love,

(40:44):
you know when written that record came out, Romeny came out,
we played rich and we switched around, um, we reversed
uh the expletive and it and I remember and texting
me going, that's funny, what is it? Say? Tis no
it it's way before it was even put out. It
was when my church was still doing its deal and
I was playing it a bit. It was just like

(41:05):
room because I didn't use anything cool system. I just
reversed it. And then you wrote Sugar, and all these
marine songs felt like singles because the record gets so
well because I listened to the record so many times.
Here's I'm not full of crap. I know all the songs.
That's the first one we wrote together. Yeah, that's a

(41:28):
good one. Want you still like listening back to this stuff?
Not all the songs I've ever written. Some of them
I'm terrified to listen to. But that that record still
stands out. My kids still like to listen to it.

(41:50):
Did you have Do you have any hits that you're like, oh, look,
I like that one still. Uh. What's funny is they
become something new. I haven't had any like singles that
I were awful. Like sometimes you just hide under and
just hope that the song doesn't get cut. There's one
you don't have to say I won't and it's not.
It has never been cut. But I swear there's this
time where I'm like, that's the one. It's going to

(42:12):
ruin my career, Like it's gonna get cut and it's
gonna make me feel so embarrassed. But like no, I
but they become something new, Like Lonely Eyes is a
song I've I liked, Oh there it is, look at that.
I always loved the song as a piece of art,
but um playing it made it different, like I play

(42:32):
it differently on my you know, on my little Writer's
Round shows, and I was like, wow, I hear this
a little bit differently, you know, and I the lyric
jumps out a little bit more after the fact, which
is bizarre. I mean, I was there, we all wrote.
You know. It's weird how music just pops out differently
at different times. Your first number one was drunk last night. Yes,

(42:55):
he's like bad. This is so weird listening to all
these in a row, all to it's like, it's your
life here it is. There's an audio version. Am I
about to get buried? So at this point, let's leading
up the day before you wrote this song. Well, even
when you wrote a song, you don't know for a while.
So because you write it and then it kind of exists,

(43:18):
and then there's this person may cut it or this
person is going to cut it, and you go, are
they really? Then they do when you wonder is it
a single? And then so there's a So we'll just
act like that's the line the day before you cut this.
Where were you before you had this number one song?
Where was that like not even like literally like career

(43:39):
in your in your mind as a songwriter. I again,
very lucky. My life was so shitty before that. Every
step of this has been kind of fun for me.
Like i' bar attended for four years. Then I got
a deal. I was signed to B. J. Hill Um
at Warner Chapel, and yes, it was like three year,

(44:00):
four years in, so that's kind of holl And asked,
that's moving. You know, getting a deal that early is
kind of unusual. So I was like pinching myself, Oh
my god, I can stop. I can quit bar attending.
This is gonna be great. And I was just nose
was down, like I was just excited to show up,
and I had had a few cuts. It's like a
Janet Kramer cut I had. And then this band Eaton's Edge,
is really why I moved here. My sister in law.

(44:21):
I ended up marrying her brother, but Hannah Blaylock from
Eden's Edge is my sister in law. And I moved
here because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing,
and she didn't kind of know what she was doing,
and it was like, let's write songs. Like it was
really quite organic. But this was a couple of years
into my deal. So I don't think I really I
don't think I was paying that close attention to what

(44:42):
was happening. Like cuts wise, it's weird when you get
into it and you have like hundreds of copyrights, they
get cut quite often. But when you're starting out, it's
like you kind of have like two good songs. You
know they're not that good yet. I don't know. I
don't think I really thought what I was doing, know what.
I think I did think what I was doing was good.

(45:02):
But it is funny looking back because that was definitely
the first one that was just like, well, there you go.
And I remember playing it for my publisher and just
going like, if we can't get this to cut, to
get cut, like I officially don't have a nose for this,
Like this song feels like a hit. And Alison Jones
was in the other room and she popped in. She
was like, can I put this on hold for you?

(45:23):
A young man? So it was it was fast, but
my nose was down. I mean to answer your question,
I just feel like I was really focused on trying
to just build a catalog and do a good job
and show up and not be nervous anymore. Stuff like that.
That's the thing to you go into rights with writers
that you really respect and the more you do it,

(45:44):
the harder it is to get into rooms. And then
when you do, it's almost like if I don't do
a good job, they're not gonna hand me back. It's
exactly right. Tom Shapiro was the one where I was
like I had to calm myself down, like I had
to like like I was definitely like super or nervous.
I hope he doesn't know that to this day. But
I was so nervous and I went in there and

(46:05):
he was just a darling, and I calmed down, you know,
but it was that was where my head was. I
was just trying to be like good at this. You know,
did you play that I and I'm a good card,
like I know I'm good, not in a bad way,
or did you come off as because for me, if
I get another like Comedians, I'm like, oh my god,

(46:25):
I need I need to act like I don't care,
but I really care, and I want them to think.
You just try to fit in with people that you
think are awesome. Oh god. I don't know if I
was like swinging a dick or anything. I feel like
I was just you know, grateful to be there, you know,
and really like when you have nothing going on, You're
kind of like, why am I here? Like who? You know,

(46:48):
what did someone have to do to get me in here?
At that point? You know, But then you know, you
kind of gather it gathers some moss over time, people like, oh,
I heard a lot about you so, and I write
was so and so. And Bob Dapiro was one, like
he had hurt. You know, she's pretty good. I should
write with her. And it was like that starts happening,
and you're like, oh, okay, I got a little a
little rep going, you know. I mean, it's bizarre. It's

(47:11):
such a small town. And even if you if someone's
screaming your name like you're the most amazing thing that's
ever happened, they will forget about that in a month.
So it does genuinely take like ten years to like
have a name that isn't just flavor of the day,
you know, because there are so many flavors of the day.
And it's even with artists. For me, like, somebody gets

(47:31):
a hit, right, okay, and I know it's cool to
have a hit, but okay, show me a second or
third one, because there are so many artists that have
one hit, Yes, there are. And when you get one
hit and you get really cocky and arrogant, it's like
you have no idea. Man like this town eats people
up like you all the time. One one hit, give

(47:52):
me two, that's funny. There's a couple of writers I
remember writing with who um had just a little bit
going on, and all of a sudden they were like
Mr Teacher Town, you know, going like, you don't want
to do that, let me tell you what. And I
remember going like, take notes, never do this. I don't
care how fucking big you get, no matter how many
songs you have. Don't treat people like they don't know

(48:15):
what they're doing, because they're bringing a component. That's what
co writing is. They're bringing a component that you cannot provide.
There is a reason why they're there. And if there
isn't a reason, then don't fucking ride with them. But like,
if there is anything to give here, like don't condescend,
you know, And everyone's at different places. I remember the
first time I wrote with them. It wasn't the first time.

(48:36):
It was a couple of times. Mark D. Sanders I
got to write with him and he did this thing.
But this terrible idea I had. I can't believe he
even wrote with me. My idea was awful. It was
like I think the word like palmart, card and Walmart
were rhyming, like it was so embarrassing, like in retrospect.
But I was like, I know that. And he did
this trick that I do all the time now, where

(48:58):
sequentially he's sir, go back to the to the first
first conceptually, so it's like we went through the song,
You're in the story, it's moving along, and then all
of a sudden, you were physically back where it began.
And I was like, how did you do that? And
I meant it. I was like, what did you just do?
And he was like, well, that's why they pay me
the big month. Like he's so adorable. He's a good

(49:19):
friend of mine. But he was really sweet and kind
about my lack of knowledge about that. It's a trick
everybody uses. I just hadn't seen it before. And I
think about that all the time when I'm writing with
someone who's a little more new here or a little green,
your tricks are mind boggling. At this point, you're helping
them learn these little things that and condescending being condescending

(49:40):
about that can just it shuts me down. I don't
do like mean, I just don't you don't like mean.
The thing about that too, is that because do she
people really irritate me when it comes to uh learning,
doing something new. You're working. But people took chances on
me and taught me and and sat with me and

(50:02):
showed me things. And how am I not going to
repay that? Like that's how if it weren't for people
like you say, doing what he did with you. I
want to be here in a lot of ways, definitly
not definitely not. And the fact that this is I mean,
there are different businesses, art businesses where you're you know,
your main thing is like in the next five years,

(50:24):
Like if you got to get it going in the
next five years, that is not the case for this business.
This is a lifelong thing. And it is very sobering
and also awesome to remember that at the Hall of
Fame dinner every year. I don't know any of those people.
I I don't know any like I don't I only
know a handful of the songs that's gonna be me

(50:44):
in forty years, Like there's gonna be a bunch of
young people that have no idea they might have remember
speechless like they might, but like it's going to be
like who is she? And if they're awesome enough to
show up and watch my little presentation about how I
had an awesome career and I made a lot of friends,
Like then I won. You know what I mean? Well,
you'll be in your gold hovercraft. Who speaks th money fly? Yeah,

(51:09):
your Unicorn I've had Unicorn were a couple of other
songs real quick. This is a weed whiskey and willing
from Brother's Osborne. I love those guys. God, they're the best.

(51:30):
I've always said about them, and again this is always
it always circles back to the fact that I had
no community as a child. But when I think of
someone I could call if someone broke into my house,
those fucking boys would come beat the fucking ship out
of someone for me because they love so hard, they
are so real. They're again, give zero ships. I just

(51:54):
love these people. I love people like them. They're amazing
and Lucy, that whole community is just magic. Yeah. I
tried as as I could to come here and not
be close to anyone because I wanted to be objective.
That's nothing gonna be objective. I would make no friends,
screw the world I want to have. I want my
opinion to be pure. But you meet people like John A. T. J.
And you go, well, just this one, Like then there

(52:16):
have been a few dirks, Ryan, you're naming all my faiths,
Like like, why would I keep something out of my
life that could actually make it a bit better? Yes,
like I called dark right now and he'd answers, flip
phone and in a camper and still he would. You know,

(52:36):
but those John had I was I did this TV
show Dancing with the Stars, Um last you won? Didn't she?
I don't watch TV. But someone was like he won,
and I was like it's crazy because I'm not good congratulation.
My point is John and T's mom was a huge
fan of that show, huge fan. And also she was
a big fan of the radio show and because they

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would listen before she moved down here up in near DC,
and so she was a big fan of both right,
and when she heard I was going on, was like
her two worlds were combining. And and so John text
me like, my mom's having seventy birthdays. This is like
three weeks ago, I was doing dancing with this I
was on the stage in a full outfit about to
walk out, and I get to the text from Johnny's
like I never told the story. He won't care. He's like,
my mom's turning seventy, dude, can you make me a video?

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And because we're gonna surprise her with this video, and
I'm in full dancing with this or like total cowboy
had everything, and I was like, I'm about to go
dance right now, Happy birthday. But I was so happy
to do it because those guys are They're such good dudes.
They are like normal humans who also play music completely
music well, wonderful, and they are uncorruptible, if that's a word.

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There is nothing this industry can do to them that
would turn them into dicks. Like there's nothing that can happen.
There are lots of people can turn into dicks. People
turn to dicks and then they come back. That happens
a lot, and I think it probably happened to me
a little bit too. It happens, that's the thing. But
like they were, they just don't corrupt. It's just not
how they roll the rebab and kill me. Yet, Oh

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why why laugh at that? I'm laughing because me and
Tommy Leeina, Tommy Lee, James Uh. We wrote this song
because she had a show, another like a series, you
know her like Reba shows. We wrote this as a
kind of a Reba parody to be her theme song

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for this show. And then three years later she cut
it for her record and it was just this full
like that was an impression of Reba and here we
are she actually cut it. It was so it was
such a good impression, that is, she identified with it. It
It made us feel so good. It was like, but
it was so it was like a mirror facing a mirror. Amazing,
you know what I mean. Like it was a little inception.

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That's funny. That's cool. It's also cool to have, Oh
my god, all other things aside, like it's freaking Reba. No,
my bio always ends with and Queen Reba, like she
gotta like you know, it is a thing. You're absolutely right.
There's there's a few people. George straight be one. If
I ever got if that ever happened. Kenny is another one.
If I, oh god, I would just die if I
got a Kenny cut. That's it. That's doable, though I

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wanted to happen so that I don't know he's We've
had like a a momentary hold. I've never connected a
song of mine with him yet, and I literally like
it's a it's a big goal. That would be huge
because I just feel like he cuts timeless but also
relevant to the time, and they're always the quality is

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always so good. And I mean as recently as his
lad he's amazing. It just goes so far back and
he's still cutting songs where you're like, God, I felt
with Kenny he appreciate songwriters and he is one, which
is a stunning combination. I mean just he could cut
only his own song and he could and he doesn't.
He doesn't and and that's a big appreciation, Yeah, because

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he could, and you know what, he could probably make
him Oh man, it's Kenny Jessney. Like if it's close,
he wins because he deserves it. At this point, American
Kids was the one where I was just like, shut
the front door, what the fund is happening right now?
Like how did you? That is such a timeless song.
I've I've like kissed the ground that song has walked on.
I just think it's magic and he made it magic.

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That production on it is perfect and it's just and
his career goes back like thirty years. That's crazy. Yeah.
The Kenny and the mcgrawl stuff is wild to me
because they've been artists who have done fifteen years and
then um it's not worked out and they're retired and
they're considered legends. These two are still contemporary. It's insane
to where they're not as considered as legendary with bigger

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careers because they're still going, which is a weird thing
because you would think they would be more loved and
they are loved that you think they'd be more celebrated
as a legend because they are still going. But a
bit and I was saying this about mgrawl because I
remember being a ninth grade listen to McGraw. Tim McGraw
is just seen as one of the big country stars
right now, superstar. If he had quit ten years ago

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and then come back, it had been like the legend.
Tim McGraw is back, we can't bother that. But because
he's been so good to say relevant, he doesn't get
that legendary credit yet And then that that's not even me.
It's amazing. It reminds me of Stephen Tyler. Like vocally,
I you know. I was always just like, how is
it that this man still feels underrated? I'm so confused, Like,

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as a vocalist, how do I how are you not
getting even though you're a monster? Stars like Aerosmith for
life every it's crazy, they're like legendary, and yet I
still feel like people are not listening to how brilliant
his vocal is, Like brilliant, But it's probably because of
what you just said that he never goes away away,
so you don't have time to really appreciate how amazing

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it was because we don't even let's take a step
out of music for a second. We don't really appreciate
things as is until they're not around anymore. Just generally speaking,
it sucks. It's a sucky thing about us because it's
like we wish we knew when the good old times
were happening, because then we know that we're in the
middle of the good old age, but we don't until
it's over, so that think it's a life thing. But

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because us with it never went away, you really don't.
When he died, we're gonna go, oh my god, how
amazing with Steven Tyler, hold on my soul. I'm a big.
I've only peeked out like three times ever. And when
he came into the show, um, I was like, this
is crazy. This is like as far as American rock
stars just epic. Ryan and I wrote with him, now

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that would be one where would be like, holy crap.
We were so nervous just staring just look and you did. God.
I didn't know what to do. Ryan and I both
were just like, you're fucking that was this real? It's
it was a bizarre day. But I remember like I
didn't pee, I didn't eat. I was just and he
didn't eat or pe either. So I just felt like
we were just listening to a story that never stopped

(58:43):
for like twelve hours and it never ended. It never ended.
He had so many stories and he just went on
and on it. He doesn't mind sharing them. All the
deeds and he's Steven like seventy now right, but he
doesn't act it. He's still a bit Peter pan. Oh. Yeah.
I think you grow to where you have to grow.
He hasn't had to grow in a lot of ways.

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So much energy, so nice doesn't have to be. I mean,
he was really gracious with two like little idiots, and
honestly neither of us had anything going on. He was
probably like, why am I in here? I mean he
told the story. Um, we were. I was asking about
Queen because I was like, to me, there are a

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couple of artists that transcend time where if they started
new right now, they would still be fantastic. God, I
love you. I love that you said that there are
a few, and Queen as one. Yeah. I think, uh,
Biggie would be one because his his his style was
so different than I think if he came out and
he was he was new, he would be like, oh,
this new rapper is good because it was time. You know. Obviously,

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sonically a lot of trends exchange. Um and I bovited
the Biggie styles more contemporary of the Tupax, even though
TUPAC is more culturally relevant at the time. Interesting. But
I think if you took Biggie and I've always said
about Queen, if you put them out right now, they're
so different and so good, they would they would just
be a cutting edge rock band right now, which is crazy.
We weren't even born when they were. But he was

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telling the story. I'll kind of wrap this up. He
was telling the story about how Freddie Mercury was on
the front of their bus. They were kind of a
big deal and Queen really wasn't and Freddie Mercury was
on sleeping in the front of their tour bus. And
I'm like, oh my god, I'm with a human and
this is way before the movie and you know, the
new generation was reintroduced to Queen. But yeah, he was
so generous with his stories and also I think he

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liked telling him. Yes, I think so too. Yeah, it
was like a museum. I was like, it was like
the human Museum. Human museum. Amazing. All right, we've done
an hour here. Um, I want to play one more thing.
Do we have um of her singing the back the
background vocals on what Marin song? Did you sing back?
Hold on average right here a hero? Do you have that?
I don't have you saying background in hero on the record?

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On a bunch of stuff? What did I sing on?
I sing on Rich? Rich is my Those are my background? Oh? Really?
Tuty is her? I'm trying to think of the one
that was, Oh you do us? I thought that was married.
I was like, you got married. He was like, no,
that's not. Yeah, He's like, yeah, that makes me excited.
That's quickly, let's talk about Ryan's app. Let's come back
to that real quick you mentioned earlier. We want to

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come back to Ryan's Oh thank you for circling back. Okay,
it's like a songwriter trick. I just taught you. You
just teaching me the ways, like taking notes. Um he
you know, when I met him, I'm so gonna he's
gonna kill me a little bit. But when I met him,
he was like doing I T work. He was kind
of like like total like kind of a nerd. Still hot.

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I mean, he's a hot guy, but kind of like
in this way where it's like he had no idea,
no one was really paying much attention. It's just like
who's that secretly hot guy? And then I would dare him.
I'm like, so so when you do in the Rerecorde
deal thing like who who's offered this week? And I
was joking with him because he's such a quiet and
sort of private person and I was just like, I'm

(01:01:57):
never doing that ever, that's the worst. And he was like,
I'm neither of mine, neither of I. And I was like,
so how many record deals you get this week? You know,
teasing him, and then he got the record deal, and
I was just like, of course, you know, it's like
it's a no brainer. Your voice is magic and you
look like this and you know. And then we were
at a party at he he had this teeny wheenie house.
Did you ever go to his little teeny wheenie house.

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He has this little house um that he lived in
before they moved into their their house. And by the
bathroom there was this bookshelf and I wasn't He was
a party at his house and Marin was there. Everyone
was there, and I've been making fun of his, like
his abs, because he started getting so strong and looking
really good. And I'm in line at the at the
bathroom and there's this book that's like you know what

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was it called like Epic ABS or something so dumb.
And I had a friend. I was like, would you
do me a favor? I'm like, would you just throw
this book in front of Ryan on your way out? Like?
And he someone through the book in front of and
he knew that I was making in front of him.
It's just so funny. And now we have this email
change he subscribes to anarchy ABS. I don't know if

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you do. Maybe I should sign up. It is so
hilarious the way they talk about like, I mean, it's
so dumb and so funny. And every now and then
he'll send me an ab thing and then I'll send
him an app. It's always about apps. We're constantly talking
about him. I wear this chain. I haven't I ever
took it off freak here, I don't. I always though
I'm not cool enough to wear a chain. He always
wear chains. He's like, dude, you cool enough. So I
have a chain that I wear like five days a

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week because I'm like, dude, I'm just wearing it because
you said it was cool, Like I'm just trying to
be cool man like you. He really has no problem
with the cool. He's all the cool. I appreciate you
coming about I hope this is cool for you. So
grateful that I got to do this, and I'm so
happy to finally meet you. I feel like I've heard
such amazing things. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah,
this has been probably cooler for me than you have
a really rich friend. Now that speechless great. I got

(01:03:47):
three of them, now, I've got I've got all three
except for the fourth one. Say who wrote Jordan Reynolds.
If I'm friends, I got the whole and he produced
the record, so he's even rich. He's gonna be months man.
He's moving to Franklin any day now. Look, well, I
appreciate you coming by. Thank you so much. This has
been a great when this episode, and thanks to our sponsors,

(01:04:09):
and check out all these songs and more. And when
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put up in a couple of days, but tonight I
think that record goes up on Bret sale way so
tomorrow actually, but at midnight tonight, so people likely see
all the tracks, all everything five one, so excited. They

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already talking about singles like two and three and four
in things chat. But I don't believe anything until it happens.
Although Marin's really uh, she stays on track with her plan.
She has a plan, you know. But one of the
songs is coming out as like one of those rollout
songs on the twenty second, like one of the instant
grat songs. All right, Well, that that'll wrap it up.
Thanks Mike Deep, thank you, thank you. All right, we'll

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see you next time, by everybody,