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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M M. I guess, welcome to episode to seventy seven.
Devin Dawson coming in just a few minutes, so we'll
we'll talk to him, like literally, he's coming in a
few minutes, so we'll talk to him, and then Eddie
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and I will hop into songs that artists refused to
play live, so them still if you just play these songs,
there massive songs. Some of them they stopped playing them.
Now they play them again. Some of them didn't play it,
played it for a minute and still don't plan them.
So we'll talk about that. As always, let's do my
new music. Top five Zane from One Direction has a
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new album called Nobody Is Listening. Here's a new song
called Vibes. And number four Blake Shelton has a new
song Hello. Controversy with this one, but not really. It
was a dumb controversy. People are like, well, you gotta
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make fun of minimum wage, but the song is not.
The song is called minimum Wage from Blake Shelton. You
can make a sage black all the carpet just like
a mag You can make it one bit park man
feel like a house. You can make my trunk out
in the driveway, rule like a clean the cattle back,
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looking at you, looking at me that bag and make
a manful rich minimum wage. At number three is C
four Now they played the radio show and let me
tell you they're really freaking good. Who knew I met
him before, but I know they sounded that good line
did you know? Did not know? Were you impressed? I
was very impressed? What that crap out of nowhere? Here
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they are number three. Their new song is called Breakups
said sim would and choke it all. All he said
is bad. Little the kid at my phone and alone.
I don't think I take that kill some drunk at
a barrow too. And I just want to tell to
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my best friend I said I wouldn't come send me
little talk it all right? Oh I want to do?
Is Number two. Devin Dawson, who will be in later,
has the Pink slip ep. Here's a new song called
not on My Watch Sweet thought I was down for
the town when you and it can be had back
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him back on its strong cash and I'm a come
up boo sweet that I was got it. And number
one Marion Morris has a new song with JP Sacks.
It is called line by Line, a f song If
I tried to, so sometimes if it's don't sound right,
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I am pioche and I just said it because it stafinite.
So I they actually wrote that together, which is pretty cool.
There there you go. That's my phone alarm going off.
Sand don't be late for the podcast. In case you
heard that, albums out Future Violence. Heaven is a place.
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This is the place. Sammy Hagar in the Circle have Lockdown.
You can now get it stream a digital version. Matthew
Sweet has cats Paw, Kurt Vile Speed listen. I have
no idea what this is. This one sound lonely, cave
and ep. I don't know. There's just some words in
front of me there that I'm gonna read in case
you're a fan of Kurt Vile Speed, if that's the name.
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Music news, Morgan Wallin's new album Dangerous, which came out Friday,
is already a phenomenon in set a record Apple Music
for the biggest first day and biggest first week country
album in the history of the platform. It's also number
one in the number one country album in sixty two
different countries. But to be fair, this is a massive
record obviously, but the six two different country things weird
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because there's not that big outside of America. Australia that's okay,
the UK does, okay, there are certain spots, but uh,
massive record. But the sixty two different country thing, okay,
and it doesn't mean anything, but it's fantastic, fantastic record,
big deal. I mean, listen, it's the biggest Apple Music release,
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and that Apple Music has been rocking for a couple
of years now as far as yeah, you know, the
streaming music, and bigger than Luke Holmes his last record,
which surprised me. Not that I don't think the record
is as good or better, but just you know, Luke
Holmes kind of been king dangling a stream, king dangling
of stream and here you go, Morgan Wall they had
to come up with the new term king dangling stream
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at chart Data, tweeted on January nine, Dangerous. The double
album has now sold over one million total activity units
in the US. UM I thought it was interesting that
he sold so much so quickly. Maybe it's because double album.
I researched it. Each disk, not each album sold, is
counted towards the chart. So if you sell ten copies
an album with one disc, what count of tin sales?
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But if you sell ten copies of a double album
it costs it counts US twenty sales, so it does
double your chart position is it's a great way around
the system. Still massive though good for him. Dave Girl
still has dreams that he's back with Nirvana. Will actually
talk about Nirvana and Food Fighters later. This article came
out yesterday, so a fact check into what we talked
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about later. The Food Fighters front man, who was the
drummer in Nirvana until Kurt Cobain's tragic death in ninety four,
only ever plays in the group's tracks live with bandmates
Chris Novis, Selic and Pat Smear. Speaking in a new interview,
what am I saying that right? Well, basically will only
play if he's like playing with them like, but not
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in public? Got it? Yeah? Okay, I was meaning that
as they only played it live, But okay, that makes
more sense. Speaking in a new interview, he said he
still dreams about the band and explain why he would
never perform the tracks on his own. Oh, we do
talk about this later, like as he ever covered smells
like teen Spirit, that was the thing. He doesn't want
to sing Kurt's parts. I wasn't comfortable singing a song
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that Kurt sang. I feel perfectly at home playing those
songs on the drums, and I love playing them with
Chris and Pat and another vocalist, which they did in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame whenever they put Nirvana.
And this is not in the article, but I'm a
Nirvana fan and I watched and they had um a
few different people sing with them, and I'm trying to think,
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who's the female guitar player sat uh Paul no no,
Paul no st Paul um st st. Whoever that Saint
person is. She's really good. He can't say I'm a
big fan. I listened to her music, but she sang
with them. I think there were a few different lead
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singers that jumped up there and sing their songs with them.
But if you look back at the country or the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Nirvana st. Vincent st Vincent,
there you go. I think I see Devin Dawson driving
in right now. So we'll keep going with this and
come back with Devon in a second. Singer songwriter Ed
Bruce died at eight, one best known for writing Mamas,
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Don't let you babies grow to be Cowboys. He died
last Friday, natural causes, eighty one years old. He co
wrote the song, which was made famous in nine seventy
eight by William Whylan with his then wife Patsy Bruce.
He also wrote Tanya Tucker's The Man That Turned My
Mama On and Texas When I die, there's a lot
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and you saw a lot of country stars come out
and just you know, pay their respects to them, TOI McGraw,
Blake Shelton, on and on Rest in peace. Taylor Swift
his first act to have the best selling album of
the year five different times. Folklore was the best seller
of twenty with almost one point three million copies, and
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there are four other ones which are Fearless, Reputation and
Lover There We Go. That's all them, right, Let's making
sure I got five of them. There Everymore is number
one on the charts this week. Taylor has fifty one
weeks at number one, tying over with Michael Jackson for
the fourth most all time. By the way, the biggest
selling albums of Taylor Swift Evermore at ten eminem Music
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to be murdered by at nine we would be a
top ten record. I didn't hear much about that one
was surprising to me, and I like him in him,
but I only wonder if I like him because he
was when I was big, when I was a kid,
you know, or maybe not a kid late teen mid twenties.
Uh Halsey Manic Juice World Legends never died, Lady Gott
got Chromatic at six, Billie Eilish at five, Harry Styles
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Fine Line at four, Great Record by the Way, the
Weekend at three, BTS, Map of the Soul at two,
and Taylor Swift dominating at number one. Scott Wiland's son
was kicked out of a band because of his drug use. Ironically, tragically,
that's how Scott Wiland died. Scott Wiland was the lead
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singer of Stone Tiple Pilots. Scott a Wild and sun
No has been kicked out of the band. He said, Uh,
I sitting down a dark path of drug use and
gotten the way of the band. So I hope he
gets himself on track. And well, I love Stunt Hill
of Pilots. Back in the day, you probably never wear
a stp fan as a little before you Huh, there
you go, alright, So Devin Dawson is about to come in.
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I always enjoyed talking with this guy and Eddie and
I will talk about big songs that artists don't like
plan anymore. All right, thank you guys. Alright, and with
Devin Dawson right now, I'm good to see Bud. You
know what was surprising? You have a big old truck,
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but you didn't You didn't expect that. It's how I
didn't expect it. It's just for anyone that's a big
I can't even drive an suv like Caitlin has an
suv my fiance, and that to me is too big
because I can't park. Yeah, it's definitely like you get
to know, like the space, a lit awareness of it.
And it's like one of those things where you're turning
in and you think you're gonna just sideswipe this car,
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but you never do and you fit right in. But
do you get so close where you're like, I don't know,
like when you first get that thing, you gotta be like,
oh god, I've driven a truck since I was sixteen
years old, so but that's a big truck. Is a
monster truck. But you know what, like I pride myself
on it not being the biggest truck, like I did.
I only got the four inch lift, not the six
inch lift. Like I just I still want to be
able to fit into parking garages, you know what I mean?
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So do you have to park in the back of
a parking if you go to Walmart or so I
got I got this through um a guy named Lee
who shout out r OC Customs. He was just an
amazing guy, and I told him. I was like, I
wanted to be like mean, but I don't want it
to be too redneck. But I also just want to
be able to park freely wherever I go. I was like,
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make it as high and as mean as you can
without inconveniencing my parking. Who has a bigger truck than
you in your group that you kind of run with it?
We would know? Um Kane Brown, Yeah, I mean, and
he even sold one of his big ones recently. He's
got a couple of them, but they're just like I
can't even imagine trying to park that thing, you know
what I mean? Um Tin Penny has one, Hardy has one,
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but mine's bigger than this. My truck is bigger than Hardy's. Well,
when you were pulling in, I was like, I think
that's either Devon or a monster truck show that they're
coming into the wrong place. Don't listen to him. It's
not that big, y'all. It's it looks good, trust me.
Devin Dawson at Z Devon. So, as we talked about this,
if you want to go check out his instagram see
what we're talking about some of the stuff. I encourage
you to do that. Uh, you have the pink slip,
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which we're gonna get to in a second. Let's let's
talk about it for a second. So it's it's a
new e P six tracks, six tracks. It's been it's
been a little bit though, since we've had anything new
from you. Yeah, dude, it's been probably maybe almost coming
up on three years since dark Horse came out. And
then to think about how long I did before the
album even came out, because it was my first album,
getting the single at the charts, writing recording all that, Um,
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I think a lot of it was obviously just touring
the crap out of that Is that mean? I think
a lot of it was just touring the crap out
of that album. You know, like your first album is
like I'm introducing myself to to everyone and I want
to give this person to New York just as much
of a personal experience as this person in California and
everything in between, you know, um So, I think it
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was that. And then also just the way that um so,
I worked with a guy named Ja Joyce. He produced
dark Horse and he also produced the Pink Slippy p
And his creative process is very unique, Like he doesn't
just do one song. He wants to do it all
in one time, and so he creates and captures this
this moment, if you will, um and so that just
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forces us to wait even longer to get all of
the songs right and go in and you know, he's
he's an incredible genius in his own right, and he
has enough cloud and um, you know, affirmation to say
that this is the way I do it, and this
is the way it works for me, and so I
respect that. You know, we're gonna come back to the
whole thing in a second, but let's do uh track
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one which you may have seen the video for which
I mean, I guess Range Rover's I've I've heard that
for a while. Now. That's that's the person one you
put second song we put out it was one of
the early ones. Here is range Rover from Devon. I'm
looking for try to drive a pickup and she does
not writing news down green Kinky next to me, I'm
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taking food. Lucy's the best blow speakers. Now, are you
a guy that wants to write everything you sing? Or
are you a guy that goes Hey, if I happen
to have a friend or somebody who writes a freaking
good song, because they're gonna take my songs, why would
I not take one of theirs. I definitely do want
to write everything that I sing, but I'm not against
singing something that I didn't write. You know, I just
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had a hit with Hardy in One Beer in Lauren Lena,
and that's the first song I didn't really write that.
I sang on you know what I mean, And um,
it was interesting, but it felt it fell right into
me because I just feel like Hardy's melodies in the
way that he writes. We write a lot together, so
it was a kind of a good match. Um, but
I don't know. I kind of model it after like
the Eric Church thing, like he writes all of his
own songs, but then you have like like Jesus does
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that he didn't write, but it sounds like an Eric
Church song, you know, and so put that in your
country song sounds like something he would say, but he
didn't write it. He didn't write it. And will you
do it a Devin Dawg because to be fair, the
hardy song is hardy like he he you went onto
his song. It's like going over to somebody's house, right,
So you're still gonna be a good guests, gonna be cool,
but it's his house. But it's his house, right. So
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but I'm all six of these songs you wrote, correct,
and so we'll all six of the next songs that
you put out the songs you wrote, Like in your mind,
if you're gonna put out a Devon Dawson song and
you can change and you're not hell to this forever
right now? Is that I gotta write it to record it? Um? Yeah,
I mean that's in my my mindset. But if something
comes along that one of my friends, right and they
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send it to me and they have me in mind,
like and it's it's exactly how I would say it, Like,
I'm not above recording something that somebody else wrote. I
just think I know my voice because I'm me, you know,
what I mean. Um, I just think. And it's also
a kind of a slippery slope because first of all,
I think you're kind of dumb if you don't open
up a little bit to the rest of the song
us in this town, just because there's so many great songs, um.
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But then finding the ones that are very me, I
think it's different because I kind of am like an outlier,
all kind of country guy, you know. Um. But then
it becomes a slippery slope because once you ask one
person for a song, then all of a sudden, I
start getting hundreds of songs, and I just I would
hate to know that there's one in there that's a
hit that I missed or something, or I just don't
have time to listen to them all, you know. So
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I try to keep it pretty close to the chest.
But if if something comes through that's really meant to be,
I'm all about it. I do want to play all
on me. It's just a reminder to to folks that
are listening. This song was a jam. Here you Go
still is a jam. We were doing a segment and
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in this podcast it will be heard later, but we
were talking about artists that I don't want to play
their big hits anymore. And we talked about Nirvana coming up.
We talk about Radiohead. Do you want to play all
let me until you die? I will play until I die.
I might change it a little bit here and there,
Like I kind of do the bridge a little differently now,
Like I just play some different chords. I just try
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to stay inspired, Like one day I did like I
did it swung instead of like to get to get
to like it. Just kind of change up little things
just to stay inspired, because I think sometimes the reason
that artists do that is we sing them so many
thousands of times, and I picture a picture like driving
down a road, Like if you drive that road a
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thousand times in the dirt, you're going to create ruts,
you know what I mean. And it's just sometimes it
feels easier to get on the same road, but just
in a little bit different of a spot, so it
just feels new. You know. It's just kind of reinspiring
and reimagining what the song feels like. But um, yeah,
I'm proud of that song. Like I will sing that
for the rest of my life. You know. I gotta
tell you, though, if I go to a show and
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I'll give you an example, like if I go to
Accounting Crow show and they sing one of their hits
with a different, different melody, I know, I am out
of my mind. The whole the whole crowd were like, hey,
we want to sing along to Secy did that when
I was a kid too. It's like, and if you
do it with us song, great that you should and
you but when they do it, they did the whole
dank set just about and I love that him that's hard,
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that's hard. And I was like, guys, I want to
sing Mr Jones. Yeah, I don't change it enough to
where you can't sing to it. I might just do
a little up instead of a down, or I might
change a little tiny thing in the bridge. But are
you a John Belli and fan? I think he is
like on a on another level creatively. I think he's
just in touch with the portal and um. I went
to I've seen him live a couple of times and
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I didn't love it because of that. He changes the key,
he changes the melodies, he changes the arrangement, and the
only thing that's the same as the lyric, and I'm
like trying to figure out what song it is and
I might catch a lyric that I recognize. I'm like, wait,
that's that song, and so I appreciate the musicality of
it and like what it takes to just literally recreate
a song. But I wanted to sing along, you know
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what I mean, And so I recognize that it's And
sometimes we're different as listeners and writers, like I find
I'm a different person in different headspaces when I'm listening
to somebody else or when on the one on stage.
So I gotta remind myself that, you know, similar to
what you're talking about. I saw Bob Dylan once, and
it wasn't that he was changing up any sort of
melody or lyrics. I just didn't know what the heck
you was saying. Yeah, he's he was not really much
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melody there, and he was so old and I felt
bad for him, but I would have to listen for
a couple of words to figure out what he was singing. Yeah,
that's one of those things you just you gotta go
see Bob Dylan to say you saw Bob Dylan, you
know what I mean. When I was a kid, I
always thought he looked like Captain Hook from Hook. You know,
he kind of does like I don't know why. I
always just put that in my head and I've held
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onto that. But yeah, that's a bucket list thing for sure.
Number One as a songwriter, you wrote God's Country for
Blake Shelton, which is one of the biggest songs of
the past few years period. It's insane, dude, let me
play it for a second. Baptized and Holding Water and
Shine with the Dogs. So talk to me about this
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as far as a songwriter. Let's you know, you're in
the room, like what, you start talking like what what? How?
How does this? I'll never I'll never forget it. It
was January seven. Was it memorable? That was my next
because sometimes you right here, I thought that memorable. Some
of it was and some of it was like not
the fact that it wasn't memorable, but a lot of
it was like blacking out, like we're just like go
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through this creative journey and you're like what just happened?
So it was that strong. Yeah, it was like, I mean,
we knew it was good, but I don't think until
we heard the demo back like the next day when
Jordans sent it that we were like whoa, Okay, who's
we me? Hardy and Jordan Schmidt. Um, So it was actually,
you know, it was the first day we had written
since Christmas break January seven. We were all just like
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really fresh. Um. Hardy had been home in his hometown
and he just had this idea called God's Country. And
usually we try to like what's the flip or what's
the turn, or what's the thing that's going to make
the opposite and the up down and the left right,
And like it just was like, why don't we just
right straight at it? Like to me, God's Country is
something that means the same the same thing to everyone,
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but like in a different way, whether it's your hometown
or whether it's the country or whatever it is, you know.
And so it was this relatable thing, and so it
was important that we said we we turned the dirt
and work into the weeks down, we break bread and
break bread, don't you know, we do these things. It
was a wee thing and like so it became an
anthem in a way, I guess, and that kind of
just drived the energy of it. Um. I really remember
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fighting for dogs running because I love like the image
of that. It kind of gave me like, oh, brother,
ware art thou like muddy riverside kind of thing. And
you know what's funny about you saying that, because I
pictured it completely different, and it's and it's the receiver
versus the creator or cinder right, Because dogs running to you,
I think literally meant dogs running. What I mean to
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say that somewhere for me, growing up, having being a
hunter of my whole life, we run dogs like crazy.
So I took it as with the dogs running, like
you're out running dogs after a deer or after a fox.
And so I heard it same words, but I just
have a different said interpretation different. And that's the cool
thing about songs. I think sometimes you can get really
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specific and you think that it's gonna alienate people, but
sometimes those specifics allow them to put it in their
own story, you know what I mean. Um? Yeah. The
other thing I remember is um, I think it was
like an ally you thing. But I was like, we
have to do something with the Devil one down to Georgia,
Like I don't know where it is, I don't know
what good and Hardy just goes Devil one down to Georgia,
but he didn't stick around. This is God's country. And
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I was like, oh my god, this is it. We
gotta we gotta not mess this one up. We gotta
get out of its way, you know. And yeah, that's
I mean, it's it's been such a blessing. Um. I mean,
you finish it and you say you didn't really know
the power of it, and and this is still way
early on you hear the demo back, who's saying the demo?
Hardy saying the demo? That was his idea and and
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at that time, and I can get into this more
a little bit too, but it was kind of more
teed up for his artistry than mine. One. It was
his idea. And he started singing in the room. And
you don't go in saying like we're gonna write one
for Hardy or we're gonna write one for Devon. It's
just we're does the where does the creative juice land?
Is it your idea? Is it mine? Even if it's
my idea? Is it better if you? It kind of
just works out by the end, you know. Um, And
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he's sang the demo and I think, you know, I'm
such a lyric guy that I left knowing that the
lyrics were air tight, and I knew all the melodies
were good, but I just hadn't heard it like in
one to play altogether, and so I knew it was good.
But sometimes you have to wait for the harmonies to
come in and like all the tracks stuff to kind
of exemplify it. I guess you needed the whole blanket
to lay on you. It's kind of the way I
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would describe it. So so the whole blanket lays on
you and you're like okay, but then it's not. You know,
you didn't cut it. Hardy didn't cut it. Did did
you get? Did Hardy want to cut it? From what
I understand, um, it was one thing where Hardy was like,
holy crap, like I love this song. I want to
sing this. And I think his publisher was like, I
know Blake's cutting, Like if we can just you know,
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just send it to him and see what he thinks,
Like would you be down for that? And hard he
was like, he's the only person that would sing this
and if he's not gonna do it, I'm gonna do it.
He's like, that's the only person that I can really envision.
And from what I understand, um, Hardy's publisher sent it
to Scott Hendrix, who's Blake's producer, and Scott sent Blake
like a playlist of like five or six songs to
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listen to to pitch to him. And he's out in
Oklahoma and it's farm riding in his tractor and the
first one on the list is God's Country and apparently
he just stopped the tractor and I was like, I
don't need to hear any of these other songs, like
this is what I want to do, And they literally
went into the studio the next week, like from blank
paper to number one, it was like six months and
that never ever. And this isn't me bragging, this is
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me like in disbelief, you know what I mean. It's
like that never happens. It's almost like ruined the rest
of it for me because it probably won't happen that
quick or that great ever again. I don't know. But
so with that with the song, I guess with the track,
did you hear it? And how early did you get
to hear it before everybody else heard it? Well? I
had a d because I'm at Warner as well, and
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so Blake is at Warner and um Scott was working
on it and he wanted me to do a harmony
he had used some of Hardy's vocals from the demo,
and he's like, why don't you sing a low harmony
on the on the chorus, And so I'm on the
chorus and then there's like this high like metal. Yeah,
like this high thing that I'm not going to do
in this room right now. But um, I did a
version of that, and I think he used one of
mine and one of hard Use, and so I kind
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of like heard it as it went, like I still
have like an acoustic version of it that I did
that he sent to my brother because I did my
vocals with my brother Jacob, and um yeah, I just
I just knew it was gonna be crazy. But even then,
I'm never going to tell myself this is a single,
this is the first single until I get that call
from SPO or Chris Lacy here whoever. It is like
I'm still just acting like it's it's just a good song,
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you know what I mean. But you hear it all
the way through on the radio or playing over and speaker,
and is it like level two of what you heard
the first time when you heard the demo? Yeah, his
voice like I mean Blake, the way he sings and
the way he pronounced his words, like he's so good
at pronouncing I don't know how else to say it.
Like his phonetics are just like really unique to the
way that he talks. And hearing him interpret some of
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the words that Hardy would say but maybe slur a
little bit because it's Hardy's swag, you know, it was
really cool to just and yeah, I don't know if
I'm answering your question. I'm just trying to remember all
of it. It's just it was just a cool moment,
the one this single of the year at the c
M as. So it went from you know you to
him cutting it quickly to coming out winning single of
the Year. I think if I'm remembering right, because maybe
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it was a c M it was an award show
that was presenting on And then I remember seeing you
with Blake on a stage that wasn't in the same building.
What was that a Blake's bar we did seeing at
c M A fest at his at the old bar?
What is that what I remember? Yeah? So I went
out he did a performance for cmafest where a lot
of people were in the stadium. You know they would
usually do that. I think he just wanted to do
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it in his bar, and then they cut it on
the big screens in the stadium and I came in
saying a harmony and I thought that was super cool
them and just to be completely candid, which I feel like,
you know, I can always do with you, Like I
love that moment. But I also felt like I wanted
Hardy to be there, like because it was his idea
and he's sang the demo and I think, I, you know,
I obviously am going to jump at any chance to
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sing a harmony, and I know he used both of
our things, but it was like I kind of felt
bad to be on that stage without Hardy because like
he's done so much and it was like he's he's
just a beast, and I just always want to tip
my hat to him, you know what I mean. The
last question about this song is that I'm assuming, being
the assumer that I am, that you made more money
off this song than any other song by far. Yeah,
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it's still probably coming in. Yeah, this one will be
like this is what we call like a copyright, like
it'll be it's it's it's his biggest song ever, which
is so crazy, you know, And um, It's definitely been
way easier and a lot less stressful during quarantine. Because
of that, I've also been able to pay my band
out of my publishing pocket because I haven't made able
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to play any shows, and I've still been able to
support them and help them pay their bills. So it's
been a blessing in such a weird year. It's been
the most incredible bright spot to kind of like set
me up. It's like you look back on things and like, wow,
Like if that hadn't happened, how had this year been
way different from me? I would have probably been a
little bit more stressed. You know, you mentioned one beer.
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Let's play a little bit of this so you get
a number one as a feature does hard to hit
you up and go, hey, we're gonna do a There's
a three of us, four others, two of us Like
what would he hit you up? This one's kind of
crazy because we were actually at Red Doors celebrating God's
Country going number one, and I'm drinking tequila and beer
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and my my twin brother drums for Hardy and also
writes with him a lot um. If you haven't met
Jacob you Wilson, He's just he's crushing it right now.
He's talking to me. Yeah, he produced one of our
raging idiot songs we play on. Didn't know that, okay,
so you know him? Okay? Cool? Um he's like, oh
I know your brother. Um, you probably saw him more
recently than you saw me recently. Probably yes, um, but
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he uh So we were all at the bar anyways,
and and my brother had told me what hard he's
working on this like feature album, Hicks tape up with
friends and stuff like that, and I kind of like
gotten hard his ear a little bit. I was like, hey, like,
I hear you're working on something like if you got
something a little like left handed, a little weird, a
little darker, like get your boy on it, you know.
And um, he sent me the song the next day
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and he was like, we really wanted to do this song,
but it's such an outlier on this album, like we
didn't know how to get it right. And then you
came up and it just kind of all made sense.
And then Lauren was in and it's like when you
hear that whole album of just like back road redneck
smashes and then you hear this, It's not Baladi by
any means it's just has a little bit different edge
sonically than the other ones. Um and definitely the most
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unlikely single in my mind, Like I'm not gonna lie,
like it's the last song on the album. It's kind
of the darker one compared to these like stadium smashes, um.
But I think that's why it poked through somehow, because
it was different, and you know, I guess that's what
because the fans reacted to it. You know, Big Lad
is really good about just listening to stats and looking
at plays, and apparently this was one of the most
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like people went back to this song on their own,
their natural plays or whatever, um, and they chose it
as a single. And it was weird working a song
during a year where I wouldn't I mean, we would
have normally played this on like TV shows and radio
shows and all this stuff, and we've maybe saying it
four times total. It's crazy. It's like if a number
one goes in the woods, does it fall? Does anyone
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know that's the number one in the woods? I don't know.
It's it's crazy, man. I'm gonna ask you about what
you think of country now From from Morgan Wallen, which
wrote so play a little bit of this now he's
got a little round, got to do it a little
bit dog wrapped up. Now you know what it is about?
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Get back in conw Could you write this one with?
I wrote this with Dallas Davidson, Justin Wilson, my best
friend Kyle Fishman, who I've known since I was twelve
years old, and Mr Mark Holeman and we literally started
the day at ten am at Luke Brian's Bar downtown
and d Davidson and Luke are really good friends. And
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the bar doesn't open till eleven, and we went there
and like knocked on the door. They're like, hey, we
were not open yet. In Dallas is like, I'll just
call Luke real quick, and I'm just like in the
back laughing like this is ridiculous, and just that's just
how the day started. And then of course we get like,
you know, a party anthem out of it, and um,
I don't know. I kind of just sat back and
worked on lyrics. This one like melodically and musically is
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a little bit more country read than I go. But
I also just want to make sure it's a well
crafted lyric, you know. Um, so I let Dallas do
his thing melodically and kind of just figured out how
to get the lyrics together. But um, were you a
straight songwriter on this or did you? Were you writing
songs for you that day? Are we just writing songs
with just as a Well? He had written this is
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the second song we wrote that day, So I think
we just wanted to get together and write a bunch
and we wrote one in the morning that was really cool.
And then Kyle just played this track and like someone
had the title and then monomfa like I think I
sang that melody and that kind of just like went out,
and Um, I think at that point we were just
having fun and writing a song not even knowing who
it was for, you know what I mean? Um, And
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I think that comes through when you hear it. You know,
it's just fun try too. On the pink slip, this
is I got a truck from Devon, I got something
to say, I got it out in my name, you
got a little bit of luck. I got this school
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and get it feeling in my guess and now I
gotta check. Do you think about how massive your truck is?
Later on in the song that's the yeah, that's the
B side version. So what's up with this truck? What? What?
What was the inspiration? Oh my gosh, so many, so
many things to say, and I'm gonna try to keep
it short, but essentially it was inspired by a conversation
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I had with Tim McGraw. Um. We were on the
road with him for a couple of summers with him
and Faith for the Soul of Soul Tours and if
I'm right, I'm which I wish, I know I am.
This was the first in Louisiana and that's his home state,
and um, usually I think his dressing room was on
the other side of the arena and then you know,
we get over here with the openers on our side
or whatever. But I think he had so much family
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that night from being Louisiana that, for whatever reason, his
dressing room was right next to ours. First night play
Dark Horse, at the end of my set, walking off stage,
let my band play out the out show, they have
their moment, I shake hands, give hugs, things we used
to do, and walking the back, take my ears out
and I got my guitar and Tim is just in
the hallway with his guitar player Bobby, and he's just
warming up and singing a cover that he was working
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on that night or something, and I was like, well,
this is a nice breaker, you know. I walked up,
started singing and playing, and it kind of just turned
into you know, thanks for having me, welcome to the show,
like if you need anything, let me know, and it
just turned into like a wisdom conversation and um, things
that he has found to hold on to, things that
he has found that are important to um, just instill
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in in someone new like me. I guess I think
he saw a lot of himself and the place I
was in, and when he started telling me the story
of him. I'm really trying to make this short. I'm sorry,
but he when he first came to Nashville, he had
built this was a story he's telling me. He's he
had built a following, he had these songs, you know,
but he still needed that like first initial like champion
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to believe in him, or sign him, or give him
a publishing deal or a record deal so that he
could have money to just solely do music. It's that
jump first jump where you're like, I don't want to
work at a bar anymore. I don't want to do
this odd job thing. I just want to play music
and be able to get to the next step, and
no one would take a shot on him. And that
happens to so many people in this town. It's crazy. Um.
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But there was a guy named Brian Williams in town
and he was a banker, and um, he's since passed away.
I never got to meet him, unfortunately, but I know
a lot of people that, um that didn't know him.
And he was a great man, and he was known
for believing in people that he saw something in that
maybe no one else was ready to take a shot
on yet. And I guess Tim knew that and came
to Brian at the bank and I was like, man,
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I got these songs. I have this work ethic, I
have this touring following. I have this crappy old truck
I can trade you. It's not worth much, but if
you give me this thirty six thousand dollars I need
to get this next record out or whatever it is, like,
promise I'll pay you back. And I'm just sitting here
like I walk around with mysticism everywhere I go looking
for a song, you know, And I'm just like this
is like falling in my lap, and just like, have
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you written that song, you know, it's like your story.
And he's like he kind of like shoved it off
a little bit, not like not like rude or anything.
He's like, no, I haven't written it, you know, And
I just couldn't stop thinking about it and how much
I saw my story in his story, because like I said,
I've driven a truck from my whole life and I
drove a truck from California to Nashville, and um, I
actually still have it. I didn't I didn't have to
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trade it in like he did or anything, but I
just related to it and I started strumming it in
the dressing room during the changeover, and by the end
of the night in the back of the bus, I'd
finished it, you know. And um, I don't know. It's
not every day that you get a song. It is
a real story that you get to be the interpreter for.
Like we're always trying to have a title and come
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up with a story or make up something that sounds cool.
And it's not every day that you get to write
something that's completely true and honest and organic of how
it got to you. And that was something, Um, I mean,
it doesn't really happen. It hasn't really happened since, you know,
And so I'm glad that I was there to hear
the story and be a vessel for that and then
interpret in my way. And I ended up doing like
a little bust demo with my band and given it
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to him as like a end of tour gift, like
what do you buy Tim McGraw he has an island, Like,
I'm not going to buy him anything, like I'll but
I can write him a song that means something, you know,
and say thanks for inspiring me, and um, I think
hopefully I was trying to get him to record it.
Maybe it was my ultimate goal, but in in that
I tricked myself and defining a song that was really
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about my story too. And we started putting it on
our set just to kind of play some new songs,
and it became like from my fans, the first new
song that they had heard since dark Horse, and they
posted it online and all that, and it just felt
like the first this is the first track we put
out on the Pink slippyp and it felt like just
the first thing to say, it had heart. It was
a country song if you just want to hear it
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for for a truck song. It's there for you for that.
But if you want to dig deeper and you want
to you want more from it, it's there for that too,
you know. You know I watched you talk. You talk
like me with your hands a lot, but I see
your wedding band and now I'm in the process. I'm
getta married this summer. Is that a rubber What is that?
It's a cheap tungsten ring? Okay, what is the reasoning
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behind a cheap tungsten ring for you? Well, I just
didn't want anything crazy, like. I didn't want some black
I mean, I'm gonna wear a black band, you know me,
you know what I mean. And so I didn't want
some black diamond like thing that I was gonna play
guitar on and scratch and go on the road and
all that. And so, um, tungsten is it's not it's
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not died, so it's not gonna like fade and it's
not gonna rub off like this is what it. This
is the color of it, you know. So that was
important to me. Um, But just I didn't need anything
crazy like it's more about this is cheesy as heck,
but it's more about you know what it represents for
me and all that, and I'll spend my money on
her ring, you know what I mean? How is what
do you you're getting? In twenty nine October. That's been
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about a year and a half now. So what have
you learned in a year and a half about marriage
that you didn't know a year and a half ago? Um? Man,
that's a that's a hard question. Um. I think I
learned how to I think I learned how to listen
a little bit better. Um. I'm definitely very like just
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like anyone else. I don't I don't like to be wrong. Um.
And it's not that I'm just gonna say I'm wrong
if if I don't think I'm wrong, just to finish
the argument or whatever. But um, I think I learned
how to take turns talking, you know what I mean,
rather than just firing back what your initial thought is.
I hate it. But you're also good at listening, because
you just let me tell a five minute story about
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listen when you're you're you're. But I think I'm not
a yeller like Leah. I love her to death, and
she'll tell you the same thing. She's got a little
bit of a temper, you know, what I mean, she's
she's gotta she pops off real quick. And so I
think for me, I were the perfect match because I'm
just gonna calmly let you do your thing, and then
I'm gonna tell you how I feel. Um, And I
think just taking turns and not just hearing this is
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so cheesy and so like um counseling, you know, marriage counselor,
but like not just not just hearing, but listening to
what they're saying and then taking it in and then
replying and just trying to hear from somebody else's point
of view. You know, so much of our relationship was
based on me being gone more than half the time,
and now we've been at home for about a year
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over a year, and it was almost like not that
I ever had any doubts, but it was really affirming
to know, like, Okay, I made the right decision, Like
we are so good. It's been such a great first
year of marriage. And um. One thing that people don't
you know, it's like, yeah, I want to love you
for the rest of my life. But when you get married,
you tell someone like we're gonna literally hang out forever,
like you're my best friend, sort of thing. But it's
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not even just that. It's like even just standing in
a room and saying nothing, you know what I mean,
Like it's comfy. That's just you've got to find that
person that you can just say nothing with. And it
doesn't it doesn't matter if that makes sense. You know,
are you a happier person now than you were two
years ago? Oh? My god? Oh not even not even question. Huh, yeah, dude.
And I think it's been kind of hard because, like
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I'm not used to that, and I think creatively trying
to make sense of that is kind of what this
EP is. Not to point it back to that, but
you know, it's a little bit it's a little bit
more hopeful. It's a little bit more brighter, um, which
is not something that I usually gravitate towards. Musically, Um,
of course there were sad songs. Of course there were ballads,
and we can get into why they aren't any on
that yet. But um, I think it is difficult for
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me to try to figure out how to be inspired.
I used to write love songs about where I wanted
to be, you know what I mean, And now I
write them about where I am and I need to
when I to write a heartbreak song, I have to
channel some different kind of heartbreak, whether it's not She's
not going to break my heart, but maybe maybe a
song didn't go the way I wanted it, or maybe
something happens with work, or maybe it's family, or maybe
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it's the world or whatever, and then I kind of
channel that into a love song in a way. So
it's my my shifts have changed, um and without a doubt, like,
and it's not just Leah like that's a huge part
of it, you know. But I've seen the world, I've
had a little success, I have a house, i have
two dogs. You know, I've had time at home to
rest and reflect and not feel bad about it. And um,
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I'm I'm I'm in a good place, dude. It's interesting
that you mentioned you have to find new ways to
interpret and write. You know. When I was going to
my therapist, I was like, hey, m I'm not lonely
and sad anymore. So I'm not creating the same way
and I'm scared that's gonna hurt if I'm writing, um,
you know, a book or jokes, because you write you right,
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cut a bit different than than you write healthy. Correct.
I felt that way about me, and I was like,
I don't think it's gonna be the same, and she
was like, it's not gonna be the same, but you've
got to find a way to highlight that it's different,
but you're also good at it, So figure out how
to make that. Recognize that that's different, but use that
the same way you were using this, and that My
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biggest problem has been now that I'm not so miserable,
and actually I'm the happiest I've ever been to But
now that I'm not so miserable, I also just don't
have the time to create as much because mostly I
would just be a lonely and miserable and I'd be like,
what else am I going to write something up? Now
I'm like, you know what, We're just gonna watch TV
shows are great and so just be and exist. And
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it's I'm much healthier and happier. I do create differently,
but I'm still trying to dial in how to do
it right. Yeah, me too, I honestly am I haven't.
It's interesting for me because I will always be that
dark horse guy. I'll always be that outlier in this
genre because that's just what I do. Um, But I
will also be that guy that wants to be grounded
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in vulnerability and introspectiveness, if that's a word, And like,
I will still sing heartbreak songs for the rest of
my life because that's what got me into music in
the first place. And that's just the character I like
to play when I'm singing, you know. Like my first
hit was was a love song, you know what I mean.
But like people will know me for that the chances
I take on the darker side of things, you know,
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and that's not going to go anywhere. But I definitely
did need to put out some music that was like, yo,
like I'm pretty happy right now, and like it's almost
like survivors guilt in a way, you know what I mean.
It's like all these fans that I've made, you know,
from being the dark horse, It's like, hey, like I
want to inspire you because I have one foot in
the door now. I'm not saying I'm good, I'm just
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saying I've come a long way and I'm holding the
door open for you. I want to turn around and
be like yo, like inspire and keep hopeful. And that's
kind of just what I'm trying to put for in
the feeling of this ep you know, and I love that.
And now I'm just want more analogy that I'll make
because it's it's not often for me that I talk
to somebody who has sperience to growth and continues to
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produce and create while acknowledging the growth. Right for me,
I was always the guy who represented a lot of
folks who grew up with nothing. I lived below poverty
in my whole life struggle, had no help ever everything.
I don't live like that anymore. I am now quite successful.
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I'll never not be that guy, right, and I will
always Now. I see my job as to go, hey,
if you want to get out of that hole, let
me tell you what I did that helped me. And
so that has been Wow, That's that's exactly what I
was trying to say. The growth in me has been.
I'm not the same guy. I'm the same guy, but
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I have grown since then. And let me show you
why you don't have to do it, but let me
show you that it's possible. And I'm still that and
I'm still representing you, and I know what it's like.
But you know, for you to say that, I go, oh, crap,
I kind of felt that, you know, you have someone
writes a song and you go, oh crap. I kind
of felt that, didn't really, but that's when you when
you said that slightly different, but you know that's who
I was still am. But I also grown through that
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a bit, and I'm like, you can do it too well.
People to follow us, People follow us or listen to us,
or buy our music or whatever, because they want to
know about our life, like you know, whether you like
it or not. As an artist, you know your job
is to put your life on display. You know, you
have control over what you want to put out, but
at the same time, you also have a kind of
an obligation to yourself to just tell the truth, you know. Um.
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And so I did struggle a little bit with like
I didn't want it to seem like, all right, I'm good,
you'll have fun, like you know what I mean, because
I'm not fully there. I don't know if I'll ever arrived,
But I just wanted to make sure that people knew
I was still like, I'll always be a dark horse.
You'll always be that kid that didn't have anything growing up,
and that's just in your in your foundation. And I
think that's why you relate to those same people and
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the way I still relate to people that might be
going through something, you know. Um, and I'm sure there's
another day that I'll be pretty sad again, you know.
And I know, I don't know. I was like laughing
about like on Lenin and Yoko and like all the
good songs before Yoko came along, and I'm like, no,
like I'm gonna find a way or it's just like
those people that like have addictions to alcohol or drugs
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and their creators and then they get clean and they
feel like they can't write the same song again. It's
like we you can. It's not like it it wasn't
in you. It's just that you lost that like it
killed the editor in your brain that was like you
shouldn't say this, or you should whatever it's like, And
that's what you need to do. For me, is just
like getting into that flow state being one myself and
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then just existing and that's where genius comes from, without
that person in your head being like I don't say that,
or that's too dumb or that's never gonna work. Just
just do it and and figure it out afterwards. If
it's not good to go to the next one, you
know here is not on my watch when you count
be hard, back them back, cash it, I'm a come
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up a night. You lit up a little bit when
came on. Not they don't light up for all of them,
but this one was like, what's over this song? This
is like the distract to the devil on my shoulder.
That's the best way I can describe it. It's like
it's exactly what I was just talking about, which is
why it was such a good segue. Um. But it's
like that person in your mind that tells you you're
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not good enough, or maybe it's an actual person, you
know what I mean, Maybe it's not just that person
in your head. It says, you know, hold off, hold on,
and like back off, like do you know at the
end of the chorus, there's like this section that I
don't really sing, and it's it's these these things that
people try to tell you to hold you back. And
it's like, to me, it was twelve things, and I
saw it like on an image of a clock. I
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saw like instead of a one and a two, it
was hold on, hold off, back up, fall down that,
and it was twelve of these things. And to me,
I was like the double entendre of like, yo, I
don't know about you, but that's not on my watch.
I don't have give up on my watch, you know
what I mean. But also I'm not gonna let myself
give up like not on my watch, you know what
I mean. And so it's really this kind of introspective
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personal song about just just going and doing it and
knowing that their struggles. And there's a line in the
second verse about like I'm walking on a type you know,
I might be walking on a tight rope, but that's
just the way I thrive though. It's like those moments
where your backs against the wall and maybe you are
heartbroken and that like we overcome that and we turn
it into fuel. Um, and it's just I don't know.
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The song makes me smile because I wanted to like
freak people out in a way. It's different. I mean,
I needed a song on this batch that was like wow,
like you know what I mean, because I feel like
I have that license in this in this town and
in this genre to do something that no one's ever heard,
and to do that every day is really hard, you
know what I mean. But when you finally find it
and it's honest to what you're going through. Um, I
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don't care what anyone says. This was like I'm doing
this song like I don't care if it's a single.
I know it's not gonna work on country radio probably
you know what I mean. But like this is also
indicative of just the footprint I want to put on
the moon of Nashville, and like, this is my This
is just my way to be daring and and create.
Keep keep using that license that I've that I've had
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since dark Horse came out, if that makes sense whatever
forever is down. But that is fault in. Um Me,
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it's a love song. Yeah, it's like tricking. It's like
tricking people into a marriage song without it being like
a six eight like Waltz. You know what I mean.
When you you write this, you go hey, how early
do you go to you know, your your wife and go, hey,
I wrote this this is about you inspired by you.
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You know, we don't like we don't share like a
whole lot, Like we're not closed off when it comes
to music. And I actually that was one of my
things I really wanted to be better at this year.
Like every time I turn a song into my publisher.
I want to put her on CC and like so
I want her to hear the song, like I'll share
songs with her. Um. But for those who you that
are listening, my wife Lee is also an incredible pop artist, writer,
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R and b raps. She's just such a badass. And
we kind of live in different worlds a little bit,
but they overlap obviously, like I kind of have an
eclectic thing. But um, I don't know, like we don't
like we share songs, but it's not like every day
before we go to bed at night, it's like, hey, baby,
can I play this demo? But what if it's specifically
inspired or written about her? Does that make it different?
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It should? Yeah, it should. I'm learning things here about it. Okay,
I told you I'm not there yet, but I'm getting there.
He loved her, and give his word, he lives sonically
the juxtaposition between those two songs, and I'm assuming very
purposefully very different. YEA one is very like not electronic,
(49:48):
but it's very tight and everything is like kind of swimmy,
and this one's just a live take, you know, kind
of like All on Me was just a live take.
Turn us up a little bit more like up on
a Friday nights, know me, well, raise a glass and
tip it back and see you live. It's not back
(50:08):
and track six who's gonna hold you? But everything else.
So my question would be, is there you know another
six coming out that are all extremely slow and vulnerable.
(50:30):
It's like the opposite. Man, I really hope so um again,
just to be completely candid with you on like I
always try to be. Um. You know, we went in
at the beginning of this year to record, and we
did these songs and we were gonna do more, and
then COVID hit and I worked with a guy named
j Joyce and I talked about him earlier, but he's
fifty years old, he's been smoking for thirty years, and
(50:51):
he has diabetes and there's no way I'm gonna get
into the studio, you know what I mean, until when
I don't know, you know, And so um, it was
partly that. It was also partly that I just working
through his creative process is just really hard. Um. He's
very He's a buy himself guy. Like we'll cut it
the day of live and then he'll take it away
(51:13):
for a month and I won't hear it. And then
when it gets back to me. Sometimes it's what I've expected,
and sometimes it's completely different, and it's really hard for
me to like let go of that control. I think
it can be healthy sometimes. Um, but I also am
an artist that knows exactly what I want and I
know how to how to say that, you know, And
so it was kind of hard this time working with him,
harder than before, and so I had to overcome that challenge.
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And I do, I doly like fully believe that we
did get there on these songs, you know what I mean.
But the other ones that we had started that we
didn't even get a chance to finish. Um, it was
probably for a good reason. And and the other side
of that is that I didn't want to wait any
longer to put out new music. I don't care if
the ballad that I wanted to be a single didn't
get recorded yet, or this one was this one could
(51:57):
be a single or whatever. Like I wanted to showcase
that slower, darker side that I was talking about. We
just hadn't done it yet. And so more important than
that to me, even though it might send a little counterintuitive,
was just getting new music out to my fans. It's
been so long since dark Horse, dude, you know, and
so I didn't want to wait till the end of
a pandemic whenever that's going to be, to finish an
(52:17):
album or whatever. And so we had these six songs
done and then they felt they started feeling like a
thing together after we mixed him, and then the you know,
the pink slip the title came and it kind of
all just felt like a bundle that I just wanted
to let fly, you know, if that makes sense. I
saw Ben Rector and your range Over video, how do
you know been? Um I chased Ben down, dude. I
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was a fan for a long time, and um, I
like finally had a couple of like successes under my
songwriting belt, and I was like, yo, I want to
write with Ben Rector and I just had a feeling.
But we wrote range Over together. Oh see, I didn't
know that. So we wrote that song together. Makes sense
why he would agree to be other video? Yeah, Well,
I wanted him to have a little cameo. And um,
I believe that he's going to do his own version
(52:59):
on his next WOEM. I know he's recorded it. We'll
see if it comes out. Like I said, I don't
get excited until it's on the until it's on the list.
But um, him and I both have a need to,
like I said, reinvent the wheels, say something big, indifferent,
but do it in a relatable, um digestible way, you know.
And range Rover is a very left handed idea about
(53:22):
a guy who realizes that the girl he's with is
not who he wants to be with forever. And he's
looking for the girl that wants to ride in the
truck and she was looking for the range Rover, you know.
And I don't think I would have been able to
go there and just get crazy and just throw it
out on the table with anyone. But ben Um. Also,
I'm not like the best at like cheeky stuff and
comedy videos and stuff, you know what I mean, Like
(53:44):
I kind of take myself a Lucius Like I'm a
funny guy. I can tell jokes. But without him in
that video it would not have been the same without
his like little comedic timing and the things that he
does and that he's so good at that dry humor. Um,
and so he just he made it. If you guys
haven't seen it yet, he's got a big old must
dash and he's the realtor that of the house. He's
just I love Ben. He's We've become really close and
(54:04):
he's an incredible artist. The pink slips out today when
this air is not actually today when recording this, but
today as it airs. If you when you're hearing our voices,
it is out Devin Dawson at Z Devon, I'll mention
this quickly. You did break your Instagram role of only
black and white? Is that new new Devon? Uh, it's
it's partly part of me. Um. I really felt like
(54:27):
and again being completely honest, I started to feel like
I was like trapped in this like black and white
thing where I was like, I have to do this,
you know. Um. But I also didn't want it to
be this huge moment of like an Awards show when
I don't wear black or the day I just had
all this build up, you know, And I was being
honest with myself and then you know, but I think
as much of my brand is the black and white,
(54:48):
and I will always you know, black will always be
the star in my wardrobe. Um, it was part of
my brand. Also is is my songwriting and in my
my ability to serve those songs and when I came
to Angel where we did the video and color as well,
which is where that kind of came from. But I
didn't There's no way I can see a range Rover
video in black and white. It's not moody, it's not dark,
(55:08):
it's not like vulnerable. It's upbeat and it's heavy and
it's cheeky, and it needed to be in color. And
so it was more about serving that song than like
staying stuck into this thing that I promised myself I
would do, you know what I mean, Like, I'm still
gonna do it a lot because I love the way
it looks. But it's pretty freeing now that I just
do whatever I want. You know, Well, it's great. People
can't see us right now, but uh, Devon's in a
(55:29):
pink money outfit. He really went hard and even I
was surprised. Man too. Yeah, pink slip. You know you
gotta gotta keep the branding. Gotta keep the branding out.
You guys, check it out. It's out today. If you're
already fan, congratulations, you got more of you heard this,
Maybe go be a new fan z. Devon congratulations, Thank you, Bobby,
you two dude. Good to see him too. There is
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as usual when we talked about a music topic, Eddie
comes in because he's a massive music fan also coached
to this or Losers podcast. Eddie, how are you? I'm
good man. Thanks for Yeah. We're talking about and we've
mentioned this in smaller capacities here on this podcast, but
hit songs that musicians, once they've become massive, don't want
play them anymore. And and again we've we've referenced Radiohead, right,
(56:17):
they don't play Creep. They don't play Creep. It became
such a big hit they got tired of it. They
were like, this doesn't really stand for what we do now.
And it also bothered them that fans would wait for
them to play it then leave. Oh yeah, but but
but I think most artists know that. So that's why
they don't play it until the very end, you know.
And I think the artists also know that this that
(56:37):
I understand why it's hard for them to do this.
I get it. It's tiresome. They're over the song. But
us as the consumer, that's what we need and that's
why we like you, especially new fans like the song
was a radio hit. You don't they don't have a
lot of mainstream radio. And they have massive songs in
the alternative world, and they have a huge, huge fan base,
(56:59):
and they don't care if any of those were on
the radio. But this one, that's how we all kind
of heard of you the first time. Look, yeah, I
love this. I haven't been upset. They started to play
it again later a little bit. They don't play it much.
I saw them I don't know, maybe ten years ago
or something, and I think they didn't play it like
I don't really remember, but I don't remember hearing this,
(57:20):
remember being a big news story when they played it
again maybe once, or they put it in Let's do Nirvana.
This song was so successful it went against their counterculture reputation.
It was the one that launched them, which is smells
like team spirit. And so they for a while stopped
(57:42):
playing it, and they came back around to it because
I think eventually, you go, I don't want people to
have to come pay money and then not get what
they came for. But and I remember hearing Kurt Cobain
talk about never Mind after it was made, because the
guy who produced never Mind is one of the ones
from Garbage. You may looked this up. Yeah, who's in Garbage, right, yeah, yeah,
(58:02):
so he produced their debut album but with all well
not debut, no, because they had Bleach, they had oh
before never Mind. Yeah, I didn't know that, but major
label probably debut and I remember it was just too
many instruments. It's too slick afterwards, even after all the
success that they had. Interested had nice job with the
butch big reference there, and thanks for the pre the
(58:25):
pre albums. I didn't know Bleach. I didn't. I thought
Bleach came later. No, you may, you may look that up.
I don't want to be wrong about something that I
feel like I know a lot about you. Never Mind
was ninety one. I bet Bleach had to be nice.
I mean, you're you're a fan, So that's why I
don't want to be wrong about it. Have the Food
Fighters ever covered this? I don't know, if never. I've
(58:48):
pay and consume like maybe like on you, I don't know.
Just like it shows, I've always wondered if Food Fighters
cover Nirvana. You gotta think Devil gets tired of answering
Nirvana questions because the Food Fighters have had so much
more sustained success than Nirvana ever did on a massive level.
But Nirvana changed music. Yes, And we can't help the
fact that Nirvana that Food Fighters was really a big
(59:11):
part of Nirvana because you have Dave Girl and then
you have Pat Smear who was the fourth member of Nirvana,
the unknown fourth member of Nirvana, you know, like, and
he's part of Food Fighters. I feel like there's that's
so important too for everyone to know that they spawned
from the big famous Nirvana and they were making He
was making Food Fighters by himself, doing all the instruments
(59:32):
while Nirvana was still happening. He was also maybe the
sixth drummer or seventh drummer in Nirvana. It wasn't Oh,
I didn't know that really. Yeah, do you ever do
you see a cover of never Mind from Food Yeah?
I wouldn't think that they would feel like the crowd
would loose. They would. They absolutely would, Yeah, they would. Um.
How about the Beastie Boys. Now, I remember watching this
(59:54):
in documentary Love the Beastie Boys. They did five fear
Right to Party as a way to sat arise frat
boy like jot culture. But people made it a party
anthem like took it the same way that people took
Bruce Springsteen born in the USA. They took it over
like this song about America, but Bruce Prinstein wrote it
to be like protest, Hey, this is not this is
some not good things about being born in the USA.
(01:00:15):
So the Beastie Boys, they would see all other people
like celebrating because of the song, and it's like, that's
not what we wrote it. We wrote to kind of
make fun of him. Wow. Uh. One of my friends,
whose name is Ben, does the character Wheeler Walker, and
I think he'd be okay to me saying this. He
started to see people at shows thinking we was real
(01:00:36):
and correct and they were there to celebrate him. He
was like, no, no no, no, this as a joke, and
so we stopped doing it. I mean, I gotta tell
you a lot of us consumers, man, we really don't
even know the difference. Sometimes we don't even want to
know the difference. We do that with actors all the time.
George Costanza, you think he gets tired of being George Constanza.
I don't know. We had him on. He's pretty The
(01:00:57):
food fighters were talking about him earlier. Big Me. The
video was a Mentos commercial parody. It was hilarious. I
think this is probably their first hit because I remember
it and I was like, oh, Dave girl had kind
of the long the weird face and long hair, and
they were funny. And but what happened was that shows
it wasn't. They didn't like playing the song. People would
throw mentos at him. They were gonna pelt it with mentos.
(01:01:20):
So they stopped playing the dank song and didn't want
get hit by stuff. Stairway to Heaven, which is the
led Zeppelin's song, their biggest song, of the biggest songs,
and you know rock and roll history, also a very
long song. Yeah, I had to do a lot I
had to do with it. This and Freebird too long.
But you could also take a break, right like Robert
(01:01:40):
Plant could walk down and have a drink, kept smoke.
They just play a guitar part. Yeah, but then the
drummers like, you do, what the hell like? Come back?
I'm tired. He was always kind of stubborn about prioritizing
his solo material after led Zeppelin broke up, so they
never wanted to play it as a man. They played it,
but he just was not you know, he started playing
it a little bit Shad O'Connor. Nothing Compares to You,
(01:02:01):
which is really her only big smatch, that's awesome. She
dropped it from her sep because she felt she could
no longer personally identify with it, so she said if
she did perform it, she'd be lying that's the artist
in her Yeah. Fun fact that song was written by
and performed by Befotunate O'Connor. Nothing compares to Ude Bowie. Oh,
(01:02:24):
I feel like you're gonna say it and be likely.
He put it on a record, boy, George Prince, Prince,
this is his person. She's been gone, I can do
and it's great. It's a princess version obviously great Sticks.
(01:02:44):
Mr Roboto, the song on the album created a huge
rip in the band. Really yeah, it was his concept.
The remaining members ditched it and they fought and it
was basically around this song. And this a couple of
fun stories. I saw the singer of Sticks at home
depot two years ago. That's pretty totally active, like he
(01:03:06):
didn't want to be there. He was with his wife,
I think. And how did you recognize the singer of Sticks,
Dennis DeYoung? I know what he looks like and I
saw him and I was like, holy crap, that's him.
And then you know when you see someone famous. What
do you do? You google him just to make sure
and you're like, yeah, that's him. And then the second
fun fact is when I was a kid, I used
to turn the fan on, you know, like the little
fan that sits on the table, and sing right in
(01:03:26):
front of him and go, ain't got all the time?
That funny Bobby McFerrin and don't worry, be happy. We
talked about this one a lot and I don't I
don't get it is your only one. Ironically, it no
longer made him happy. Oh yeah, I imagine that it
(01:03:47):
was a novelty song. Again, man, not for you, that's
for us. It makes us very happy. I got tired
of singing it. R e M. What do you think
their song is? How would they have a ton of
massive hits? Right? I would guess end of the world. O.
Good song, Not it though, but good song. That's a
good guest too, because it's kind of kind of catch
(01:04:09):
you a little bit. Yeah, uh no. Losing my religion
next would be terrible. I went to an Orim show once.
Didn't play a single hit. They just played the whole
new record, so all of these and they don't play anymore.
But he said before, oh, never mind there it is. Wait,
that's no, this is not the right song. Mike's playing.
(01:04:29):
This is Phil rights that. Um, I'll tell you this.
He said the song had limited appeal Michael Stipe did.
There was a co singer on it from another famous band.
It's not your favorite song, is it? No? Everybody hurts,
Everybody hurts, not this one. This is so good. There
was a there was a girl who was singing with
the girl. I don't know who is it? What is it?
(01:04:51):
This song was originally going to be the Friends theme song.
Ohhh um, I can't think of it. Shiny happy and
who's the girl from nice? I love the song, I
love the video. Adele has a song and I'm not
sure I know this song. But Adele has a song
(01:05:12):
called My Same. The song is about one of Adele's
friends that are falling out. So she dropped it from
the set list. But that had been one of those songs.
And I'm like, oh, get a coat. We probably wouldn't
even notice if it's gone. That's what I'm saying, Like,
I want to get I don't know this one song,
the rest Room, how she put it back in after
the reconcile. I don't know that that's the only one
(01:05:33):
of this wholess I didn't know. And then Prince, what
song of Princess? Do you do? You think he got
tired of playing purple rain? No? Oh, can you imagine
when the Prince the little Red Corvette. I'll tell you this.
At one point he goes that, Okay, this song I
can't play anymore? Out of date? Oh hey, is it?
Keep control? He decided listen to the clue again. He
(01:05:54):
decided it was out of date. That's your clue. It
was out of date. He did bring it back for
the Super Bowl halftime show in two thousand seven. But
what show did Prince say? This is out of date?
What song? I don't know? Okay, the last day he
performed it was New Year's Day two thousand. It's the
New Year's Day. What the song of Princess would be
(01:06:18):
out of date? Oh my god, this is a trick point.
What is it? Is it out of date? No? What song?
I'm gonna feel so dumb we're performing it on New
Year's Day two thousand. Listen New Year's Day two thousand. Yes, Oh,
(01:06:40):
such an idiot. I was really trying to lay it out.
That's pretty funny. Though he's just like, sorry, this ship
has sailed no longer singing this long man. When did
he die? What year was? I don't time to blur.
I'm gonna say two thousand. I'm guessing it was a
good sixteen years at him saying I'm not doing this
(01:07:03):
that when I missed this phenomenon, I feel like I
remember my babysit a lot of my babysitters having Prince
posters in their wall, but I never got into Prince
because it was just a little for me too. I mean,
it was always Michael Jackson versus Prince by the group
slightly older than me, but I was very much of
Michael Jackson over Prince Guy. Now it's now that you
(01:07:26):
see what Prince has done for other artists, absolutely or inspired,
or how they just say he was the best, like
people that are really great, go oh, I'm not a
guitar guitar player, Princess like he was a pretty guitar
And so when you see the great saying that about
somebody else, like man, I just wasn't educated enough to know.
And I remember those friends with these guys in Austin
called Group of Fantasma. Do you remember them? And I
(01:07:46):
remember Prince was coming to play a show in Austin
and he had reached out, I'm coming by myself. I
just need a band, and I like you guys, so
you guys step in and be my band for the night.
And it was such an honor for these guys, like
oh my gosh, a local Austin band getting to be
the backup band for Prince. But they after that night,
they remained friends, and some of the members would go
play other shows with him and they would be his
(01:08:08):
backup band other places. But just by it, like like that,
and a legend like Prince to say that, to give
give a little band like that a chance and then say,
I like you, Let's keep doing this. Pretty cool. Check
out Eddie on a Sore Losers podcast. What you Got Yeah,
Sore Losers podcast. Me Ray lunch Box, and we're talk
sports mainly. But I'm not like the smartest in sports,
so it's not all sports. We talk about life. None
(01:08:29):
of you are. I think lunch Box is pretty knowledgeable
at sports. The fact is, though he he lives in
Breede sports that so much he thinks he knows everything
about it. So my job on the podcast is to
just argue everything that he has to say, and I'm
I'm willing to say he's probably right, but there is
twenty percent where he's full of crap and I'll call
him out on it. Interesting. Yeah, and then Ray just
(01:08:51):
he's he's just Ray check out Sol losers. That's it,
Thank you very much
M M. I guess, welcome to episode to seventy seven.
Devin Dawson coming in just a few minutes, so we'll
we'll talk to him, like literally, he's coming in a
few minutes, so we'll talk to him, and then Eddie
(00:20):
and I will hop into songs that artists refused to
play live, so them still if you just play these songs,
there massive songs. Some of them they stopped playing them.
Now they play them again. Some of them didn't play it,
played it for a minute and still don't plan them.
So we'll talk about that. As always, let's do my
new music. Top five Zane from One Direction has a
(00:41):
new album called Nobody Is Listening. Here's a new song
called Vibes. And number four Blake Shelton has a new
song Hello. Controversy with this one, but not really. It
was a dumb controversy. People are like, well, you gotta
(01:03):
make fun of minimum wage, but the song is not.
The song is called minimum Wage from Blake Shelton. You
can make a sage black all the carpet just like
a mag You can make it one bit park man
feel like a house. You can make my trunk out
in the driveway, rule like a clean the cattle back,
(01:24):
looking at you, looking at me that bag and make
a manful rich minimum wage. At number three is C
four Now they played the radio show and let me
tell you they're really freaking good. Who knew I met
him before, but I know they sounded that good line
did you know? Did not know? Were you impressed? I
was very impressed? What that crap out of nowhere? Here
(01:45):
they are number three. Their new song is called Breakups
said sim would and choke it all. All he said
is bad. Little the kid at my phone and alone.
I don't think I take that kill some drunk at
a barrow too. And I just want to tell to
(02:06):
my best friend I said I wouldn't come send me
little talk it all right? Oh I want to do?
Is Number two. Devin Dawson, who will be in later,
has the Pink slip ep. Here's a new song called
not on My Watch Sweet thought I was down for
the town when you and it can be had back
(02:30):
him back on its strong cash and I'm a come
up boo sweet that I was got it. And number
one Marion Morris has a new song with JP Sacks.
It is called line by Line, a f song If
I tried to, so sometimes if it's don't sound right,
(02:53):
I am pioche and I just said it because it stafinite.
So I they actually wrote that together, which is pretty cool.
There there you go. That's my phone alarm going off.
Sand don't be late for the podcast. In case you
heard that, albums out Future Violence. Heaven is a place.
(03:17):
This is the place. Sammy Hagar in the Circle have Lockdown.
You can now get it stream a digital version. Matthew
Sweet has cats Paw, Kurt Vile Speed listen. I have
no idea what this is. This one sound lonely, cave
and ep. I don't know. There's just some words in
front of me there that I'm gonna read in case
you're a fan of Kurt Vile Speed, if that's the name.
(03:39):
Music news, Morgan Wallin's new album Dangerous, which came out Friday,
is already a phenomenon in set a record Apple Music
for the biggest first day and biggest first week country
album in the history of the platform. It's also number
one in the number one country album in sixty two
different countries. But to be fair, this is a massive
record obviously, but the six two different country things weird
(03:59):
because there's not that big outside of America. Australia that's okay,
the UK does, okay, there are certain spots, but uh,
massive record. But the sixty two different country thing, okay,
and it doesn't mean anything, but it's fantastic, fantastic record,
big deal. I mean, listen, it's the biggest Apple Music release,
(04:22):
and that Apple Music has been rocking for a couple
of years now as far as yeah, you know, the
streaming music, and bigger than Luke Holmes his last record,
which surprised me. Not that I don't think the record
is as good or better, but just you know, Luke
Holmes kind of been king dangling a stream, king dangling
of stream and here you go, Morgan Wall they had
to come up with the new term king dangling stream
(04:45):
at chart Data, tweeted on January nine, Dangerous. The double
album has now sold over one million total activity units
in the US. UM I thought it was interesting that
he sold so much so quickly. Maybe it's because double album.
I researched it. Each disk, not each album sold, is
counted towards the chart. So if you sell ten copies
an album with one disc, what count of tin sales?
(05:05):
But if you sell ten copies of a double album
it costs it counts US twenty sales, so it does
double your chart position is it's a great way around
the system. Still massive though good for him. Dave Girl
still has dreams that he's back with Nirvana. Will actually
talk about Nirvana and Food Fighters later. This article came
out yesterday, so a fact check into what we talked
(05:27):
about later. The Food Fighters front man, who was the
drummer in Nirvana until Kurt Cobain's tragic death in ninety four,
only ever plays in the group's tracks live with bandmates
Chris Novis, Selic and Pat Smear. Speaking in a new interview,
what am I saying that right? Well, basically will only
play if he's like playing with them like, but not
(05:47):
in public? Got it? Yeah? Okay, I was meaning that
as they only played it live, But okay, that makes
more sense. Speaking in a new interview, he said he
still dreams about the band and explain why he would
never perform the tracks on his own. Oh, we do
talk about this later, like as he ever covered smells
like teen Spirit, that was the thing. He doesn't want
to sing Kurt's parts. I wasn't comfortable singing a song
(06:07):
that Kurt sang. I feel perfectly at home playing those
songs on the drums, and I love playing them with
Chris and Pat and another vocalist, which they did in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame whenever they put Nirvana.
And this is not in the article, but I'm a
Nirvana fan and I watched and they had um a
few different people sing with them, and I'm trying to think,
(06:28):
who's the female guitar player sat uh Paul no no,
Paul no st Paul um st st. Whoever that Saint
person is. She's really good. He can't say I'm a
big fan. I listened to her music, but she sang
with them. I think there were a few different lead
(06:48):
singers that jumped up there and sing their songs with them.
But if you look back at the country or the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Nirvana st. Vincent st Vincent,
there you go. I think I see Devin Dawson driving
in right now. So we'll keep going with this and
come back with Devon in a second. Singer songwriter Ed
Bruce died at eight, one best known for writing Mamas,
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Don't let you babies grow to be Cowboys. He died
last Friday, natural causes, eighty one years old. He co
wrote the song, which was made famous in nine seventy
eight by William Whylan with his then wife Patsy Bruce.
He also wrote Tanya Tucker's The Man That Turned My
Mama On and Texas When I die, there's a lot
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and you saw a lot of country stars come out
and just you know, pay their respects to them, TOI McGraw,
Blake Shelton, on and on Rest in peace. Taylor Swift
his first act to have the best selling album of
the year five different times. Folklore was the best seller
of twenty with almost one point three million copies, and
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there are four other ones which are Fearless, Reputation and
Lover There We Go. That's all them, right, Let's making
sure I got five of them. There Everymore is number
one on the charts this week. Taylor has fifty one
weeks at number one, tying over with Michael Jackson for
the fourth most all time. By the way, the biggest
selling albums of Taylor Swift Evermore at ten eminem Music
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to be murdered by at nine we would be a
top ten record. I didn't hear much about that one
was surprising to me, and I like him in him,
but I only wonder if I like him because he
was when I was big, when I was a kid,
you know, or maybe not a kid late teen mid twenties.
Uh Halsey Manic Juice World Legends never died, Lady Gott
got Chromatic at six, Billie Eilish at five, Harry Styles
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Fine Line at four, Great Record by the Way, the
Weekend at three, BTS, Map of the Soul at two,
and Taylor Swift dominating at number one. Scott Wiland's son
was kicked out of a band because of his drug use. Ironically, tragically,
that's how Scott Wiland died. Scott Wiland was the lead
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singer of Stone Tiple Pilots. Scott a Wild and sun
No has been kicked out of the band. He said, Uh,
I sitting down a dark path of drug use and
gotten the way of the band. So I hope he
gets himself on track. And well, I love Stunt Hill
of Pilots. Back in the day, you probably never wear
a stp fan as a little before you Huh, there
you go, alright, So Devin Dawson is about to come in.
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I always enjoyed talking with this guy and Eddie and
I will talk about big songs that artists don't like
plan anymore. All right, thank you guys. Alright, and with
Devin Dawson right now, I'm good to see Bud. You
know what was surprising? You have a big old truck,
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but you didn't You didn't expect that. It's how I
didn't expect it. It's just for anyone that's a big
I can't even drive an suv like Caitlin has an
suv my fiance, and that to me is too big
because I can't park. Yeah, it's definitely like you get
to know, like the space, a lit awareness of it.
And it's like one of those things where you're turning
in and you think you're gonna just sideswipe this car,
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but you never do and you fit right in. But
do you get so close where you're like, I don't know,
like when you first get that thing, you gotta be like,
oh god, I've driven a truck since I was sixteen
years old, so but that's a big truck. Is a
monster truck. But you know what, like I pride myself
on it not being the biggest truck, like I did.
I only got the four inch lift, not the six
inch lift. Like I just I still want to be
able to fit into parking garages, you know what I mean?
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So do you have to park in the back of
a parking if you go to Walmart or so I
got I got this through um a guy named Lee
who shout out r OC Customs. He was just an
amazing guy, and I told him. I was like, I
wanted to be like mean, but I don't want it
to be too redneck. But I also just want to
be able to park freely wherever I go. I was like,
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make it as high and as mean as you can
without inconveniencing my parking. Who has a bigger truck than
you in your group that you kind of run with it?
We would know? Um Kane Brown, Yeah, I mean, and
he even sold one of his big ones recently. He's
got a couple of them, but they're just like I
can't even imagine trying to park that thing, you know
what I mean? Um Tin Penny has one, Hardy has one,
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but mine's bigger than this. My truck is bigger than Hardy's. Well,
when you were pulling in, I was like, I think
that's either Devon or a monster truck show that they're
coming into the wrong place. Don't listen to him. It's
not that big, y'all. It's it looks good, trust me.
Devin Dawson at Z Devon. So, as we talked about this,
if you want to go check out his instagram see
what we're talking about some of the stuff. I encourage
you to do that. Uh, you have the pink slip,
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which we're gonna get to in a second. Let's let's
talk about it for a second. So it's it's a
new e P six tracks, six tracks. It's been it's
been a little bit though, since we've had anything new
from you. Yeah, dude, it's been probably maybe almost coming
up on three years since dark Horse came out. And
then to think about how long I did before the
album even came out, because it was my first album,
getting the single at the charts, writing recording all that, Um,
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I think a lot of it was obviously just touring
the crap out of that Is that mean? I think
a lot of it was just touring the crap out
of that album. You know, like your first album is
like I'm introducing myself to to everyone and I want
to give this person to New York just as much
of a personal experience as this person in California and
everything in between, you know, um So, I think it
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was that. And then also just the way that um so,
I worked with a guy named Ja Joyce. He produced
dark Horse and he also produced the Pink Slippy p
And his creative process is very unique, Like he doesn't
just do one song. He wants to do it all
in one time, and so he creates and captures this
this moment, if you will, um and so that just
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forces us to wait even longer to get all of
the songs right and go in and you know, he's
he's an incredible genius in his own right, and he
has enough cloud and um, you know, affirmation to say
that this is the way I do it, and this
is the way it works for me, and so I
respect that. You know, we're gonna come back to the
whole thing in a second, but let's do uh track
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one which you may have seen the video for which
I mean, I guess Range Rover's I've I've heard that
for a while. Now. That's that's the person one you
put second song we put out it was one of
the early ones. Here is range Rover from Devon. I'm
looking for try to drive a pickup and she does
not writing news down green Kinky next to me, I'm
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taking food. Lucy's the best blow speakers. Now, are you
a guy that wants to write everything you sing? Or
are you a guy that goes Hey, if I happen
to have a friend or somebody who writes a freaking
good song, because they're gonna take my songs, why would
I not take one of theirs. I definitely do want
to write everything that I sing, but I'm not against
singing something that I didn't write. You know, I just
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had a hit with Hardy in One Beer in Lauren Lena,
and that's the first song I didn't really write that.
I sang on you know what I mean, And um,
it was interesting, but it felt it fell right into
me because I just feel like Hardy's melodies in the
way that he writes. We write a lot together, so
it was a kind of a good match. Um, but
I don't know. I kind of model it after like
the Eric Church thing, like he writes all of his
own songs, but then you have like like Jesus does
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that he didn't write, but it sounds like an Eric
Church song, you know, and so put that in your
country song sounds like something he would say, but he
didn't write it. He didn't write it. And will you
do it a Devin Dawg because to be fair, the
hardy song is hardy like he he you went onto
his song. It's like going over to somebody's house, right,
So you're still gonna be a good guests, gonna be cool,
but it's his house. But it's his house, right. So
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but I'm all six of these songs you wrote, correct,
and so we'll all six of the next songs that
you put out the songs you wrote, Like in your mind,
if you're gonna put out a Devon Dawson song and
you can change and you're not hell to this forever
right now? Is that I gotta write it to record it? Um? Yeah,
I mean that's in my my mindset. But if something
comes along that one of my friends, right and they
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send it to me and they have me in mind,
like and it's it's exactly how I would say it, Like,
I'm not above recording something that somebody else wrote. I
just think I know my voice because I'm me, you know,
what I mean. Um, I just think. And it's also
a kind of a slippery slope because first of all,
I think you're kind of dumb if you don't open
up a little bit to the rest of the song
us in this town, just because there's so many great songs, um.
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But then finding the ones that are very me, I
think it's different because I kind of am like an outlier,
all kind of country guy, you know. Um. But then
it becomes a slippery slope because once you ask one
person for a song, then all of a sudden, I
start getting hundreds of songs, and I just I would
hate to know that there's one in there that's a
hit that I missed or something, or I just don't
have time to listen to them all, you know. So
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I try to keep it pretty close to the chest.
But if if something comes through that's really meant to be,
I'm all about it. I do want to play all
on me. It's just a reminder to to folks that
are listening. This song was a jam. Here you Go
still is a jam. We were doing a segment and
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in this podcast it will be heard later, but we
were talking about artists that I don't want to play
their big hits anymore. And we talked about Nirvana coming up.
We talk about Radiohead. Do you want to play all
let me until you die? I will play until I die.
I might change it a little bit here and there,
Like I kind of do the bridge a little differently now,
Like I just play some different chords. I just try
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to stay inspired, Like one day I did like I
did it swung instead of like to get to get
to like it. Just kind of change up little things
just to stay inspired, because I think sometimes the reason
that artists do that is we sing them so many
thousands of times, and I picture a picture like driving
down a road, Like if you drive that road a
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thousand times in the dirt, you're going to create ruts,
you know what I mean. And it's just sometimes it
feels easier to get on the same road, but just
in a little bit different of a spot, so it
just feels new. You know. It's just kind of reinspiring
and reimagining what the song feels like. But um, yeah,
I'm proud of that song. Like I will sing that
for the rest of my life. You know. I gotta
tell you, though, if I go to a show and
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I'll give you an example, like if I go to
Accounting Crow show and they sing one of their hits
with a different, different melody, I know, I am out
of my mind. The whole the whole crowd were like, hey,
we want to sing along to Secy did that when
I was a kid too. It's like, and if you
do it with us song, great that you should and
you but when they do it, they did the whole
dank set just about and I love that him that's hard,
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that's hard. And I was like, guys, I want to
sing Mr Jones. Yeah, I don't change it enough to
where you can't sing to it. I might just do
a little up instead of a down, or I might
change a little tiny thing in the bridge. But are
you a John Belli and fan? I think he is
like on a on another level creatively. I think he's
just in touch with the portal and um. I went
to I've seen him live a couple of times and
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I didn't love it because of that. He changes the key,
he changes the melodies, he changes the arrangement, and the
only thing that's the same as the lyric, and I'm
like trying to figure out what song it is and
I might catch a lyric that I recognize. I'm like, wait,
that's that song, and so I appreciate the musicality of
it and like what it takes to just literally recreate
a song. But I wanted to sing along, you know
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what I mean, And so I recognize that it's And
sometimes we're different as listeners and writers, like I find
I'm a different person in different headspaces when I'm listening
to somebody else or when on the one on stage.
So I gotta remind myself that, you know, similar to
what you're talking about. I saw Bob Dylan once, and
it wasn't that he was changing up any sort of
melody or lyrics. I just didn't know what the heck
you was saying. Yeah, he's he was not really much
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melody there, and he was so old and I felt
bad for him, but I would have to listen for
a couple of words to figure out what he was singing. Yeah,
that's one of those things you just you gotta go
see Bob Dylan to say you saw Bob Dylan, you
know what I mean. When I was a kid, I
always thought he looked like Captain Hook from Hook. You know,
he kind of does like I don't know why. I
always just put that in my head and I've held
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onto that. But yeah, that's a bucket list thing for sure.
Number One as a songwriter, you wrote God's Country for
Blake Shelton, which is one of the biggest songs of
the past few years period. It's insane, dude, let me
play it for a second. Baptized and Holding Water and
Shine with the Dogs. So talk to me about this
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as far as a songwriter. Let's you know, you're in
the room, like what, you start talking like what what? How?
How does this? I'll never I'll never forget it. It
was January seven. Was it memorable? That was my next
because sometimes you right here, I thought that memorable. Some
of it was and some of it was like not
the fact that it wasn't memorable, but a lot of
it was like blacking out, like we're just like go
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through this creative journey and you're like what just happened?
So it was that strong. Yeah, it was like, I mean,
we knew it was good, but I don't think until
we heard the demo back like the next day when
Jordans sent it that we were like whoa, Okay, who's
we me? Hardy and Jordan Schmidt. Um, So it was actually,
you know, it was the first day we had written
since Christmas break January seven. We were all just like
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really fresh. Um. Hardy had been home in his hometown
and he just had this idea called God's Country. And
usually we try to like what's the flip or what's
the turn, or what's the thing that's going to make
the opposite and the up down and the left right,
And like it just was like, why don't we just
right straight at it? Like to me, God's Country is
something that means the same the same thing to everyone,
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but like in a different way, whether it's your hometown
or whether it's the country or whatever it is, you know.
And so it was this relatable thing, and so it
was important that we said we we turned the dirt
and work into the weeks down, we break bread and
break bread, don't you know, we do these things. It
was a wee thing and like so it became an
anthem in a way, I guess, and that kind of
just drived the energy of it. Um. I really remember
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fighting for dogs running because I love like the image
of that. It kind of gave me like, oh, brother,
ware art thou like muddy riverside kind of thing. And
you know what's funny about you saying that, because I
pictured it completely different, and it's and it's the receiver
versus the creator or cinder right, Because dogs running to you,
I think literally meant dogs running. What I mean to
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say that somewhere for me, growing up, having being a
hunter of my whole life, we run dogs like crazy.
So I took it as with the dogs running, like
you're out running dogs after a deer or after a fox.
And so I heard it same words, but I just
have a different said interpretation different. And that's the cool
thing about songs. I think sometimes you can get really
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specific and you think that it's gonna alienate people, but
sometimes those specifics allow them to put it in their
own story, you know what I mean. Um? Yeah. The
other thing I remember is um, I think it was
like an ally you thing. But I was like, we
have to do something with the Devil one down to Georgia,
Like I don't know where it is, I don't know
what good and Hardy just goes Devil one down to Georgia,
but he didn't stick around. This is God's country. And
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I was like, oh my god, this is it. We
gotta we gotta not mess this one up. We gotta
get out of its way, you know. And yeah, that's
I mean, it's it's been such a blessing. Um. I mean,
you finish it and you say you didn't really know
the power of it, and and this is still way
early on you hear the demo back, who's saying the demo?
Hardy saying the demo? That was his idea and and
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at that time, and I can get into this more
a little bit too, but it was kind of more
teed up for his artistry than mine. One. It was
his idea. And he started singing in the room. And
you don't go in saying like we're gonna write one
for Hardy or we're gonna write one for Devon. It's
just we're does the where does the creative juice land?
Is it your idea? Is it mine? Even if it's
my idea? Is it better if you? It kind of
just works out by the end, you know. Um, And
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he's sang the demo and I think, you know, I'm
such a lyric guy that I left knowing that the
lyrics were air tight, and I knew all the melodies
were good, but I just hadn't heard it like in
one to play altogether, and so I knew it was good.
But sometimes you have to wait for the harmonies to
come in and like all the tracks stuff to kind
of exemplify it. I guess you needed the whole blanket
to lay on you. It's kind of the way I
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would describe it. So so the whole blanket lays on
you and you're like okay, but then it's not. You know,
you didn't cut it. Hardy didn't cut it. Did did
you get? Did Hardy want to cut it? From what
I understand, um, it was one thing where Hardy was like,
holy crap, like I love this song. I want to
sing this. And I think his publisher was like, I
know Blake's cutting, Like if we can just you know,
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just send it to him and see what he thinks,
Like would you be down for that? And hard he
was like, he's the only person that would sing this
and if he's not gonna do it, I'm gonna do it.
He's like, that's the only person that I can really envision.
And from what I understand, um, Hardy's publisher sent it
to Scott Hendrix, who's Blake's producer, and Scott sent Blake
like a playlist of like five or six songs to
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listen to to pitch to him. And he's out in
Oklahoma and it's farm riding in his tractor and the
first one on the list is God's Country and apparently
he just stopped the tractor and I was like, I
don't need to hear any of these other songs, like
this is what I want to do, And they literally
went into the studio the next week, like from blank
paper to number one, it was like six months and
that never ever. And this isn't me bragging, this is
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me like in disbelief, you know what I mean. It's
like that never happens. It's almost like ruined the rest
of it for me because it probably won't happen that
quick or that great ever again. I don't know. But
so with that with the song, I guess with the track,
did you hear it? And how early did you get
to hear it before everybody else heard it? Well? I
had a d because I'm at Warner as well, and
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so Blake is at Warner and um Scott was working
on it and he wanted me to do a harmony
he had used some of Hardy's vocals from the demo,
and he's like, why don't you sing a low harmony
on the on the chorus, And so I'm on the
chorus and then there's like this high like metal. Yeah,
like this high thing that I'm not going to do
in this room right now. But um, I did a
version of that, and I think he used one of
mine and one of hard Use, and so I kind
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of like heard it as it went, like I still
have like an acoustic version of it that I did
that he sent to my brother because I did my
vocals with my brother Jacob, and um yeah, I just
I just knew it was gonna be crazy. But even then,
I'm never going to tell myself this is a single,
this is the first single until I get that call
from SPO or Chris Lacy here whoever. It is like
I'm still just acting like it's it's just a good song,
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you know what I mean. But you hear it all
the way through on the radio or playing over and speaker,
and is it like level two of what you heard
the first time when you heard the demo? Yeah, his
voice like I mean Blake, the way he sings and
the way he pronounced his words, like he's so good
at pronouncing I don't know how else to say it.
Like his phonetics are just like really unique to the
way that he talks. And hearing him interpret some of
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the words that Hardy would say but maybe slur a
little bit because it's Hardy's swag, you know, it was
really cool to just and yeah, I don't know if
I'm answering your question. I'm just trying to remember all
of it. It's just it was just a cool moment,
the one this single of the year at the c
M as. So it went from you know you to
him cutting it quickly to coming out winning single of
the Year. I think if I'm remembering right, because maybe
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it was a c M it was an award show
that was presenting on And then I remember seeing you
with Blake on a stage that wasn't in the same building.
What was that a Blake's bar we did seeing at
c M A fest at his at the old bar?
What is that what I remember? Yeah? So I went
out he did a performance for cmafest where a lot
of people were in the stadium. You know they would
usually do that. I think he just wanted to do
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it in his bar, and then they cut it on
the big screens in the stadium and I came in
saying a harmony and I thought that was super cool
them and just to be completely candid, which I feel like,
you know, I can always do with you, Like I
love that moment. But I also felt like I wanted
Hardy to be there, like because it was his idea
and he's sang the demo and I think, I, you know,
I obviously am going to jump at any chance to
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sing a harmony, and I know he used both of
our things, but it was like I kind of felt
bad to be on that stage without Hardy because like
he's done so much and it was like he's he's
just a beast, and I just always want to tip
my hat to him, you know what I mean. The
last question about this song is that I'm assuming, being
the assumer that I am, that you made more money
off this song than any other song by far. Yeah,
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it's still probably coming in. Yeah, this one will be
like this is what we call like a copyright, like
it'll be it's it's it's his biggest song ever, which
is so crazy, you know, And um, It's definitely been
way easier and a lot less stressful during quarantine. Because
of that, I've also been able to pay my band
out of my publishing pocket because I haven't made able
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to play any shows, and I've still been able to
support them and help them pay their bills. So it's
been a blessing in such a weird year. It's been
the most incredible bright spot to kind of like set
me up. It's like you look back on things and like, wow,
Like if that hadn't happened, how had this year been
way different from me? I would have probably been a
little bit more stressed. You know, you mentioned one beer.
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Let's play a little bit of this so you get
a number one as a feature does hard to hit
you up and go, hey, we're gonna do a There's
a three of us, four others, two of us Like
what would he hit you up? This one's kind of
crazy because we were actually at Red Doors celebrating God's
Country going number one, and I'm drinking tequila and beer
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and my my twin brother drums for Hardy and also
writes with him a lot um. If you haven't met
Jacob you Wilson, He's just he's crushing it right now.
He's talking to me. Yeah, he produced one of our
raging idiot songs we play on. Didn't know that, okay,
so you know him? Okay? Cool? Um he's like, oh
I know your brother. Um, you probably saw him more
recently than you saw me recently. Probably yes, um, but
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he uh So we were all at the bar anyways,
and and my brother had told me what hard he's
working on this like feature album, Hicks tape up with
friends and stuff like that, and I kind of like
gotten hard his ear a little bit. I was like, hey, like,
I hear you're working on something like if you got
something a little like left handed, a little weird, a
little darker, like get your boy on it, you know.
And um, he sent me the song the next day
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and he was like, we really wanted to do this song,
but it's such an outlier on this album, like we
didn't know how to get it right. And then you
came up and it just kind of all made sense.
And then Lauren was in and it's like when you
hear that whole album of just like back road redneck
smashes and then you hear this, It's not Baladi by
any means it's just has a little bit different edge
sonically than the other ones. Um and definitely the most
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unlikely single in my mind, Like I'm not gonna lie,
like it's the last song on the album. It's kind
of the darker one compared to these like stadium smashes, um.
But I think that's why it poked through somehow, because
it was different, and you know, I guess that's what
because the fans reacted to it. You know, Big Lad
is really good about just listening to stats and looking
at plays, and apparently this was one of the most
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like people went back to this song on their own,
their natural plays or whatever, um, and they chose it
as a single. And it was weird working a song
during a year where I wouldn't I mean, we would
have normally played this on like TV shows and radio
shows and all this stuff, and we've maybe saying it
four times total. It's crazy. It's like if a number
one goes in the woods, does it fall? Does anyone
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know that's the number one in the woods? I don't know.
It's it's crazy, man. I'm gonna ask you about what
you think of country now From from Morgan Wallen, which
wrote so play a little bit of this now he's
got a little round, got to do it a little
bit dog wrapped up. Now you know what it is about?
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Get back in conw Could you write this one with?
I wrote this with Dallas Davidson, Justin Wilson, my best
friend Kyle Fishman, who I've known since I was twelve
years old, and Mr Mark Holeman and we literally started
the day at ten am at Luke Brian's Bar downtown
and d Davidson and Luke are really good friends. And
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the bar doesn't open till eleven, and we went there
and like knocked on the door. They're like, hey, we
were not open yet. In Dallas is like, I'll just
call Luke real quick, and I'm just like in the
back laughing like this is ridiculous, and just that's just
how the day started. And then of course we get like,
you know, a party anthem out of it, and um,
I don't know. I kind of just sat back and
worked on lyrics. This one like melodically and musically is
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a little bit more country read than I go. But
I also just want to make sure it's a well
crafted lyric, you know. Um, so I let Dallas do
his thing melodically and kind of just figured out how
to get the lyrics together. But um, were you a
straight songwriter on this or did you? Were you writing
songs for you that day? Are we just writing songs
with just as a Well? He had written this is
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the second song we wrote that day, So I think
we just wanted to get together and write a bunch
and we wrote one in the morning that was really cool.
And then Kyle just played this track and like someone
had the title and then monomfa like I think I
sang that melody and that kind of just like went out,
and Um, I think at that point we were just
having fun and writing a song not even knowing who
it was for, you know what I mean? Um, And
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I think that comes through when you hear it. You know,
it's just fun try too. On the pink slip, this
is I got a truck from Devon, I got something
to say, I got it out in my name, you
got a little bit of luck. I got this school
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and get it feeling in my guess and now I
gotta check. Do you think about how massive your truck is?
Later on in the song that's the yeah, that's the
B side version. So what's up with this truck? What? What?
What was the inspiration? Oh my gosh, so many, so
many things to say, and I'm gonna try to keep
it short, but essentially it was inspired by a conversation
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I had with Tim McGraw. Um. We were on the
road with him for a couple of summers with him
and Faith for the Soul of Soul Tours and if
I'm right, I'm which I wish, I know I am.
This was the first in Louisiana and that's his home state,
and um, usually I think his dressing room was on
the other side of the arena and then you know,
we get over here with the openers on our side
or whatever. But I think he had so much family
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that night from being Louisiana that, for whatever reason, his
dressing room was right next to ours. First night play
Dark Horse, at the end of my set, walking off stage,
let my band play out the out show, they have
their moment, I shake hands, give hugs, things we used
to do, and walking the back, take my ears out
and I got my guitar and Tim is just in
the hallway with his guitar player Bobby, and he's just
warming up and singing a cover that he was working
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on that night or something, and I was like, well,
this is a nice breaker, you know. I walked up,
started singing and playing, and it kind of just turned
into you know, thanks for having me, welcome to the show,
like if you need anything, let me know, and it
just turned into like a wisdom conversation and um, things
that he has found to hold on to, things that
he has found that are important to um, just instill
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in in someone new like me. I guess I think
he saw a lot of himself and the place I
was in, and when he started telling me the story
of him. I'm really trying to make this short. I'm sorry,
but he when he first came to Nashville, he had
built this was a story he's telling me. He's he
had built a following, he had these songs, you know,
but he still needed that like first initial like champion
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to believe in him, or sign him, or give him
a publishing deal or a record deal so that he
could have money to just solely do music. It's that
jump first jump where you're like, I don't want to
work at a bar anymore. I don't want to do
this odd job thing. I just want to play music
and be able to get to the next step, and
no one would take a shot on him. And that
happens to so many people in this town. It's crazy. Um.
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But there was a guy named Brian Williams in town
and he was a banker, and um, he's since passed away.
I never got to meet him, unfortunately, but I know
a lot of people that, um that didn't know him.
And he was a great man, and he was known
for believing in people that he saw something in that
maybe no one else was ready to take a shot
on yet. And I guess Tim knew that and came
to Brian at the bank and I was like, man,
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I got these songs. I have this work ethic, I
have this touring following. I have this crappy old truck
I can trade you. It's not worth much, but if
you give me this thirty six thousand dollars I need
to get this next record out or whatever it is, like,
promise I'll pay you back. And I'm just sitting here
like I walk around with mysticism everywhere I go looking
for a song, you know, And I'm just like this
is like falling in my lap, and just like, have
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you written that song, you know, it's like your story.
And he's like he kind of like shoved it off
a little bit, not like not like rude or anything.
He's like, no, I haven't written it, you know, And
I just couldn't stop thinking about it and how much
I saw my story in his story, because like I said,
I've driven a truck from my whole life and I
drove a truck from California to Nashville, and um, I
actually still have it. I didn't I didn't have to
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trade it in like he did or anything, but I
just related to it and I started strumming it in
the dressing room during the changeover, and by the end
of the night in the back of the bus, I'd
finished it, you know. And um, I don't know. It's
not every day that you get a song. It is
a real story that you get to be the interpreter for.
Like we're always trying to have a title and come
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up with a story or make up something that sounds cool.
And it's not every day that you get to write
something that's completely true and honest and organic of how
it got to you. And that was something, Um, I mean,
it doesn't really happen. It hasn't really happened since, you know,
And so I'm glad that I was there to hear
the story and be a vessel for that and then
interpret in my way. And I ended up doing like
a little bust demo with my band and given it
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to him as like a end of tour gift, like
what do you buy Tim McGraw he has an island, Like,
I'm not going to buy him anything, like I'll but
I can write him a song that means something, you know,
and say thanks for inspiring me, and um, I think
hopefully I was trying to get him to record it.
Maybe it was my ultimate goal, but in in that
I tricked myself and defining a song that was really
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about my story too. And we started putting it on
our set just to kind of play some new songs,
and it became like from my fans, the first new
song that they had heard since dark Horse, and they
posted it online and all that, and it just felt
like the first this is the first track we put
out on the Pink slippyp and it felt like just
the first thing to say, it had heart. It was
a country song if you just want to hear it
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for for a truck song. It's there for you for that.
But if you want to dig deeper and you want
to you want more from it, it's there for that too,
you know. You know I watched you talk. You talk
like me with your hands a lot, but I see
your wedding band and now I'm in the process. I'm
getta married this summer. Is that a rubber What is that?
It's a cheap tungsten ring? Okay, what is the reasoning
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behind a cheap tungsten ring for you? Well, I just
didn't want anything crazy, like. I didn't want some black
I mean, I'm gonna wear a black band, you know me,
you know what I mean. And so I didn't want
some black diamond like thing that I was gonna play
guitar on and scratch and go on the road and
all that. And so, um, tungsten is it's not it's
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not died, so it's not gonna like fade and it's
not gonna rub off like this is what it. This
is the color of it, you know. So that was
important to me. Um, But just I didn't need anything
crazy like it's more about this is cheesy as heck,
but it's more about you know what it represents for
me and all that, and I'll spend my money on
her ring, you know what I mean? How is what
do you you're getting? In twenty nine October. That's been
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about a year and a half now. So what have
you learned in a year and a half about marriage
that you didn't know a year and a half ago? Um? Man,
that's a that's a hard question. Um. I think I
learned how to I think I learned how to listen
a little bit better. Um. I'm definitely very like just
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like anyone else. I don't I don't like to be wrong. Um.
And it's not that I'm just gonna say I'm wrong
if if I don't think I'm wrong, just to finish
the argument or whatever. But um, I think I learned
how to take turns talking, you know what I mean,
rather than just firing back what your initial thought is.
I hate it. But you're also good at listening, because
you just let me tell a five minute story about
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listen when you're you're you're. But I think I'm not
a yeller like Leah. I love her to death, and
she'll tell you the same thing. She's got a little
bit of a temper, you know, what I mean, she's
she's gotta she pops off real quick. And so I
think for me, I were the perfect match because I'm
just gonna calmly let you do your thing, and then
I'm gonna tell you how I feel. Um, And I
think just taking turns and not just hearing this is
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so cheesy and so like um counseling, you know, marriage counselor,
but like not just not just hearing, but listening to
what they're saying and then taking it in and then
replying and just trying to hear from somebody else's point
of view. You know, so much of our relationship was
based on me being gone more than half the time,
and now we've been at home for about a year
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over a year, and it was almost like not that
I ever had any doubts, but it was really affirming
to know, like, Okay, I made the right decision, Like
we are so good. It's been such a great first
year of marriage. And um. One thing that people don't
you know, it's like, yeah, I want to love you
for the rest of my life. But when you get married,
you tell someone like we're gonna literally hang out forever,
like you're my best friend, sort of thing. But it's
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not even just that. It's like even just standing in
a room and saying nothing, you know what I mean,
Like it's comfy. That's just you've got to find that
person that you can just say nothing with. And it
doesn't it doesn't matter if that makes sense. You know,
are you a happier person now than you were two
years ago? Oh? My god? Oh not even not even question. Huh, yeah, dude.
And I think it's been kind of hard because, like
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I'm not used to that, and I think creatively trying
to make sense of that is kind of what this
EP is. Not to point it back to that, but
you know, it's a little bit it's a little bit
more hopeful. It's a little bit more brighter, um, which
is not something that I usually gravitate towards. Musically, Um,
of course there were sad songs. Of course there were ballads,
and we can get into why they aren't any on
that yet. But um, I think it is difficult for
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me to try to figure out how to be inspired.
I used to write love songs about where I wanted
to be, you know what I mean, And now I
write them about where I am and I need to
when I to write a heartbreak song, I have to
channel some different kind of heartbreak, whether it's not She's
not going to break my heart, but maybe maybe a
song didn't go the way I wanted it, or maybe
something happens with work, or maybe it's family, or maybe
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it's the world or whatever, and then I kind of
channel that into a love song in a way. So
it's my my shifts have changed, um and without a doubt, like,
and it's not just Leah like that's a huge part
of it, you know. But I've seen the world, I've
had a little success, I have a house, i have
two dogs. You know, I've had time at home to
rest and reflect and not feel bad about it. And um,
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I'm I'm I'm in a good place, dude. It's interesting
that you mentioned you have to find new ways to
interpret and write. You know. When I was going to
my therapist, I was like, hey, m I'm not lonely
and sad anymore. So I'm not creating the same way
and I'm scared that's gonna hurt if I'm writing, um,
you know, a book or jokes, because you write you right,
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cut a bit different than than you write healthy. Correct.
I felt that way about me, and I was like,
I don't think it's gonna be the same, and she
was like, it's not gonna be the same, but you've
got to find a way to highlight that it's different,
but you're also good at it, So figure out how
to make that. Recognize that that's different, but use that
the same way you were using this, and that My
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biggest problem has been now that I'm not so miserable,
and actually I'm the happiest I've ever been to But
now that I'm not so miserable, I also just don't
have the time to create as much because mostly I
would just be a lonely and miserable and I'd be like,
what else am I going to write something up? Now
I'm like, you know what, We're just gonna watch TV
shows are great and so just be and exist. And
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it's I'm much healthier and happier. I do create differently,
but I'm still trying to dial in how to do
it right. Yeah, me too, I honestly am I haven't.
It's interesting for me because I will always be that
dark horse guy. I'll always be that outlier in this
genre because that's just what I do. Um, But I
will also be that guy that wants to be grounded
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in vulnerability and introspectiveness, if that's a word, And like,
I will still sing heartbreak songs for the rest of
my life because that's what got me into music in
the first place. And that's just the character I like
to play when I'm singing, you know. Like my first
hit was was a love song, you know what I mean.
But like people will know me for that the chances
I take on the darker side of things, you know,
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and that's not going to go anywhere. But I definitely
did need to put out some music that was like, yo,
like I'm pretty happy right now, and like it's almost
like survivors guilt in a way, you know what I mean.
It's like all these fans that I've made, you know,
from being the dark horse, It's like, hey, like I
want to inspire you because I have one foot in
the door now. I'm not saying I'm good, I'm just
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saying I've come a long way and I'm holding the
door open for you. I want to turn around and
be like yo, like inspire and keep hopeful. And that's
kind of just what I'm trying to put for in
the feeling of this ep you know, and I love that.
And now I'm just want more analogy that I'll make
because it's it's not often for me that I talk
to somebody who has sperience to growth and continues to
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produce and create while acknowledging the growth. Right for me,
I was always the guy who represented a lot of
folks who grew up with nothing. I lived below poverty
in my whole life struggle, had no help ever everything.
I don't live like that anymore. I am now quite successful.
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I'll never not be that guy, right, and I will
always Now. I see my job as to go, hey,
if you want to get out of that hole, let
me tell you what I did that helped me. And
so that has been Wow, That's that's exactly what I
was trying to say. The growth in me has been.
I'm not the same guy. I'm the same guy, but
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I have grown since then. And let me show you
why you don't have to do it, but let me
show you that it's possible. And I'm still that and
I'm still representing you, and I know what it's like.
But you know, for you to say that, I go, oh, crap,
I kind of felt that, you know, you have someone
writes a song and you go, oh crap. I kind
of felt that, didn't really, but that's when you when
you said that slightly different, but you know that's who
I was still am. But I also grown through that
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a bit, and I'm like, you can do it too well.
People to follow us, People follow us or listen to us,
or buy our music or whatever, because they want to
know about our life, like you know, whether you like
it or not. As an artist, you know your job
is to put your life on display. You know, you
have control over what you want to put out, but
at the same time, you also have a kind of
an obligation to yourself to just tell the truth, you know. Um.
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And so I did struggle a little bit with like
I didn't want it to seem like, all right, I'm good,
you'll have fun, like you know what I mean, because
I'm not fully there. I don't know if I'll ever arrived,
But I just wanted to make sure that people knew
I was still like, I'll always be a dark horse.
You'll always be that kid that didn't have anything growing up,
and that's just in your in your foundation. And I
think that's why you relate to those same people and
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the way I still relate to people that might be
going through something, you know. Um, and I'm sure there's
another day that I'll be pretty sad again, you know.
And I know, I don't know. I was like laughing
about like on Lenin and Yoko and like all the
good songs before Yoko came along, and I'm like, no,
like I'm gonna find a way or it's just like
those people that like have addictions to alcohol or drugs
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and their creators and then they get clean and they
feel like they can't write the same song again. It's
like we you can. It's not like it it wasn't
in you. It's just that you lost that like it
killed the editor in your brain that was like you
shouldn't say this, or you should whatever it's like, And
that's what you need to do. For me, is just
like getting into that flow state being one myself and
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then just existing and that's where genius comes from, without
that person in your head being like I don't say that,
or that's too dumb or that's never gonna work. Just
just do it and and figure it out afterwards. If
it's not good to go to the next one, you
know here is not on my watch when you count
be hard, back them back, cash it, I'm a come
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up a night. You lit up a little bit when
came on. Not they don't light up for all of them,
but this one was like, what's over this song? This
is like the distract to the devil on my shoulder.
That's the best way I can describe it. It's like
it's exactly what I was just talking about, which is
why it was such a good segue. Um. But it's
like that person in your mind that tells you you're
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not good enough, or maybe it's an actual person, you
know what I mean, Maybe it's not just that person
in your head. It says, you know, hold off, hold on,
and like back off, like do you know at the
end of the chorus, there's like this section that I
don't really sing, and it's it's these these things that
people try to tell you to hold you back. And
it's like, to me, it was twelve things, and I
saw it like on an image of a clock. I
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saw like instead of a one and a two, it
was hold on, hold off, back up, fall down that,
and it was twelve of these things. And to me,
I was like the double entendre of like, yo, I
don't know about you, but that's not on my watch.
I don't have give up on my watch, you know
what I mean. But also I'm not gonna let myself
give up like not on my watch, you know what
I mean. And so it's really this kind of introspective
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personal song about just just going and doing it and
knowing that their struggles. And there's a line in the
second verse about like I'm walking on a type you know,
I might be walking on a tight rope, but that's
just the way I thrive though. It's like those moments
where your backs against the wall and maybe you are
heartbroken and that like we overcome that and we turn
it into fuel. Um, and it's just I don't know.
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The song makes me smile because I wanted to like
freak people out in a way. It's different. I mean,
I needed a song on this batch that was like wow,
like you know what I mean, because I feel like
I have that license in this in this town and
in this genre to do something that no one's ever heard,
and to do that every day is really hard, you
know what I mean. But when you finally find it
and it's honest to what you're going through. Um, I
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don't care what anyone says. This was like I'm doing
this song like I don't care if it's a single.
I know it's not gonna work on country radio probably
you know what I mean. But like this is also
indicative of just the footprint I want to put on
the moon of Nashville, and like, this is my This
is just my way to be daring and and create.
Keep keep using that license that I've that I've had
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since dark Horse came out, if that makes sense whatever
forever is down. But that is fault in. Um Me,
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it's a love song. Yeah, it's like tricking. It's like
tricking people into a marriage song without it being like
a six eight like Waltz. You know what I mean.
When you you write this, you go hey, how early
do you go to you know, your your wife and go, hey,
I wrote this this is about you inspired by you.
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You know, we don't like we don't share like a
whole lot, Like we're not closed off when it comes
to music. And I actually that was one of my
things I really wanted to be better at this year.
Like every time I turn a song into my publisher.
I want to put her on CC and like so
I want her to hear the song, like I'll share
songs with her. Um. But for those who you that
are listening, my wife Lee is also an incredible pop artist, writer,
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R and b raps. She's just such a badass. And
we kind of live in different worlds a little bit,
but they overlap obviously, like I kind of have an
eclectic thing. But um, I don't know, like we don't
like we share songs, but it's not like every day
before we go to bed at night, it's like, hey, baby,
can I play this demo? But what if it's specifically
inspired or written about her? Does that make it different?
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It should? Yeah, it should. I'm learning things here about it. Okay,
I told you I'm not there yet, but I'm getting there.
He loved her, and give his word, he lives sonically
the juxtaposition between those two songs, and I'm assuming very
purposefully very different. YEA one is very like not electronic,
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but it's very tight and everything is like kind of swimmy,
and this one's just a live take, you know, kind
of like All on Me was just a live take.
Turn us up a little bit more like up on
a Friday nights, know me, well, raise a glass and
tip it back and see you live. It's not back
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and track six who's gonna hold you? But everything else.
So my question would be, is there you know another
six coming out that are all extremely slow and vulnerable.
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It's like the opposite. Man, I really hope so um again,
just to be completely candid with you on like I
always try to be. Um. You know, we went in
at the beginning of this year to record, and we
did these songs and we were gonna do more, and
then COVID hit and I worked with a guy named
j Joyce and I talked about him earlier, but he's
fifty years old, he's been smoking for thirty years, and
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he has diabetes and there's no way I'm gonna get
into the studio, you know what I mean, until when
I don't know, you know, And so um, it was
partly that. It was also partly that I just working
through his creative process is just really hard. Um. He's
very He's a buy himself guy. Like we'll cut it
the day of live and then he'll take it away
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for a month and I won't hear it. And then
when it gets back to me. Sometimes it's what I've expected,
and sometimes it's completely different, and it's really hard for
me to like let go of that control. I think
it can be healthy sometimes. Um, but I also am
an artist that knows exactly what I want and I
know how to how to say that, you know, And
so it was kind of hard this time working with him,
harder than before, and so I had to overcome that challenge.
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And I do, I doly like fully believe that we
did get there on these songs, you know what I mean.
But the other ones that we had started that we
didn't even get a chance to finish. Um, it was
probably for a good reason. And and the other side
of that is that I didn't want to wait any
longer to put out new music. I don't care if
the ballad that I wanted to be a single didn't
get recorded yet, or this one was this one could
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be a single or whatever. Like I wanted to showcase
that slower, darker side that I was talking about. We
just hadn't done it yet. And so more important than
that to me, even though it might send a little counterintuitive,
was just getting new music out to my fans. It's
been so long since dark Horse, dude, you know, and
so I didn't want to wait till the end of
a pandemic whenever that's going to be, to finish an
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album or whatever. And so we had these six songs
done and then they felt they started feeling like a
thing together after we mixed him, and then the you know,
the pink slip the title came and it kind of
all just felt like a bundle that I just wanted
to let fly, you know, if that makes sense. I
saw Ben Rector and your range Over video, how do
you know been? Um I chased Ben down, dude. I
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was a fan for a long time, and um, I
like finally had a couple of like successes under my
songwriting belt, and I was like, yo, I want to
write with Ben Rector and I just had a feeling.
But we wrote range Over together. Oh see, I didn't
know that. So we wrote that song together. Makes sense
why he would agree to be other video? Yeah, Well,
I wanted him to have a little cameo. And um,
I believe that he's going to do his own version
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on his next WOEM. I know he's recorded it. We'll
see if it comes out. Like I said, I don't
get excited until it's on the until it's on the list.
But um, him and I both have a need to,
like I said, reinvent the wheels, say something big, indifferent,
but do it in a relatable, um digestible way, you know.
And range Rover is a very left handed idea about
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a guy who realizes that the girl he's with is
not who he wants to be with forever. And he's
looking for the girl that wants to ride in the
truck and she was looking for the range Rover, you know.
And I don't think I would have been able to
go there and just get crazy and just throw it
out on the table with anyone. But ben Um. Also,
I'm not like the best at like cheeky stuff and
comedy videos and stuff, you know what I mean, Like
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I kind of take myself a Lucius Like I'm a
funny guy. I can tell jokes. But without him in
that video it would not have been the same without
his like little comedic timing and the things that he
does and that he's so good at that dry humor. Um,
and so he just he made it. If you guys
haven't seen it yet, he's got a big old must
dash and he's the realtor that of the house. He's
just I love Ben. He's We've become really close and
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he's an incredible artist. The pink slips out today when
this air is not actually today when recording this, but
today as it airs. If you when you're hearing our voices,
it is out Devin Dawson at Z Devon, I'll mention
this quickly. You did break your Instagram role of only
black and white? Is that new new Devon? Uh, it's
it's partly part of me. Um. I really felt like
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and again being completely honest, I started to feel like
I was like trapped in this like black and white
thing where I was like, I have to do this,
you know. Um. But I also didn't want it to
be this huge moment of like an Awards show when
I don't wear black or the day I just had
all this build up, you know, And I was being
honest with myself and then you know, but I think
as much of my brand is the black and white,
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and I will always you know, black will always be
the star in my wardrobe. Um, it was part of
my brand. Also is is my songwriting and in my
my ability to serve those songs and when I came
to Angel where we did the video and color as well,
which is where that kind of came from. But I
didn't There's no way I can see a range Rover
video in black and white. It's not moody, it's not dark,
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it's not like vulnerable. It's upbeat and it's heavy and
it's cheeky, and it needed to be in color. And
so it was more about serving that song than like
staying stuck into this thing that I promised myself I
would do, you know what I mean, Like, I'm still
gonna do it a lot because I love the way
it looks. But it's pretty freeing now that I just
do whatever I want. You know, Well, it's great. People
can't see us right now, but uh, Devon's in a
(55:29):
pink money outfit. He really went hard and even I
was surprised. Man too. Yeah, pink slip. You know you
gotta gotta keep the branding. Gotta keep the branding out.
You guys, check it out. It's out today. If you're
already fan, congratulations, you got more of you heard this,
Maybe go be a new fan z. Devon congratulations, Thank you, Bobby,
you two dude. Good to see him too. There is
(55:53):
as usual when we talked about a music topic, Eddie
comes in because he's a massive music fan also coached
to this or Losers podcast. Eddie, how are you? I'm
good man. Thanks for Yeah. We're talking about and we've
mentioned this in smaller capacities here on this podcast, but
hit songs that musicians, once they've become massive, don't want
play them anymore. And and again we've we've referenced Radiohead, right,
(56:17):
they don't play Creep. They don't play Creep. It became
such a big hit they got tired of it. They
were like, this doesn't really stand for what we do now.
And it also bothered them that fans would wait for
them to play it then leave. Oh yeah, but but
but I think most artists know that. So that's why
they don't play it until the very end, you know.
And I think the artists also know that this that
(56:37):
I understand why it's hard for them to do this.
I get it. It's tiresome. They're over the song. But
us as the consumer, that's what we need and that's
why we like you, especially new fans like the song
was a radio hit. You don't they don't have a
lot of mainstream radio. And they have massive songs in
the alternative world, and they have a huge, huge fan base,
(56:59):
and they don't care if any of those were on
the radio. But this one, that's how we all kind
of heard of you the first time. Look, yeah, I
love this. I haven't been upset. They started to play
it again later a little bit. They don't play it much.
I saw them I don't know, maybe ten years ago
or something, and I think they didn't play it like
I don't really remember, but I don't remember hearing this,
(57:20):
remember being a big news story when they played it
again maybe once, or they put it in Let's do Nirvana.
This song was so successful it went against their counterculture reputation.
It was the one that launched them, which is smells
like team spirit. And so they for a while stopped
(57:42):
playing it, and they came back around to it because
I think eventually, you go, I don't want people to
have to come pay money and then not get what
they came for. But and I remember hearing Kurt Cobain
talk about never Mind after it was made, because the
guy who produced never Mind is one of the ones
from Garbage. You may looked this up. Yeah, who's in Garbage, right, yeah, yeah,
(58:02):
so he produced their debut album but with all well
not debut, no, because they had Bleach, they had oh
before never Mind. Yeah, I didn't know that, but major
label probably debut and I remember it was just too
many instruments. It's too slick afterwards, even after all the
success that they had. Interested had nice job with the
butch big reference there, and thanks for the pre the
(58:25):
pre albums. I didn't know Bleach. I didn't. I thought
Bleach came later. No, you may, you may look that up.
I don't want to be wrong about something that I
feel like I know a lot about you. Never Mind
was ninety one. I bet Bleach had to be nice.
I mean, you're you're a fan, So that's why I
don't want to be wrong about it. Have the Food
Fighters ever covered this? I don't know, if never. I've
(58:48):
pay and consume like maybe like on you, I don't know.
Just like it shows, I've always wondered if Food Fighters
cover Nirvana. You gotta think Devil gets tired of answering
Nirvana questions because the Food Fighters have had so much
more sustained success than Nirvana ever did on a massive level.
But Nirvana changed music. Yes, And we can't help the
fact that Nirvana that Food Fighters was really a big
(59:11):
part of Nirvana because you have Dave Girl and then
you have Pat Smear who was the fourth member of Nirvana,
the unknown fourth member of Nirvana, you know, like, and
he's part of Food Fighters. I feel like there's that's
so important too for everyone to know that they spawned
from the big famous Nirvana and they were making He
was making Food Fighters by himself, doing all the instruments
(59:32):
while Nirvana was still happening. He was also maybe the
sixth drummer or seventh drummer in Nirvana. It wasn't Oh,
I didn't know that really. Yeah, do you ever do
you see a cover of never Mind from Food Yeah?
I wouldn't think that they would feel like the crowd
would loose. They would. They absolutely would, Yeah, they would. Um.
How about the Beastie Boys. Now, I remember watching this
(59:54):
in documentary Love the Beastie Boys. They did five fear
Right to Party as a way to sat arise frat
boy like jot culture. But people made it a party
anthem like took it the same way that people took
Bruce Springsteen born in the USA. They took it over
like this song about America, but Bruce Prinstein wrote it
to be like protest, Hey, this is not this is
some not good things about being born in the USA.
(01:00:15):
So the Beastie Boys, they would see all other people
like celebrating because of the song, and it's like, that's
not what we wrote it. We wrote to kind of
make fun of him. Wow. Uh. One of my friends,
whose name is Ben, does the character Wheeler Walker, and
I think he'd be okay to me saying this. He
started to see people at shows thinking we was real
(01:00:36):
and correct and they were there to celebrate him. He
was like, no, no no, no, this as a joke, and
so we stopped doing it. I mean, I gotta tell
you a lot of us consumers, man, we really don't
even know the difference. Sometimes we don't even want to
know the difference. We do that with actors all the time.
George Costanza, you think he gets tired of being George Constanza.
I don't know. We had him on. He's pretty The
(01:00:57):
food fighters were talking about him earlier. Big Me. The
video was a Mentos commercial parody. It was hilarious. I
think this is probably their first hit because I remember
it and I was like, oh, Dave girl had kind
of the long the weird face and long hair, and
they were funny. And but what happened was that shows
it wasn't. They didn't like playing the song. People would
throw mentos at him. They were gonna pelt it with mentos.
(01:01:20):
So they stopped playing the dank song and didn't want
get hit by stuff. Stairway to Heaven, which is the
led Zeppelin's song, their biggest song, of the biggest songs,
and you know rock and roll history, also a very
long song. Yeah, I had to do a lot I
had to do with it. This and Freebird too long.
But you could also take a break, right like Robert
(01:01:40):
Plant could walk down and have a drink, kept smoke.
They just play a guitar part. Yeah, but then the
drummers like, you do, what the hell like? Come back?
I'm tired. He was always kind of stubborn about prioritizing
his solo material after led Zeppelin broke up, so they
never wanted to play it as a man. They played it,
but he just was not you know, he started playing
it a little bit Shad O'Connor. Nothing Compares to You,
(01:02:01):
which is really her only big smatch, that's awesome. She
dropped it from her sep because she felt she could
no longer personally identify with it, so she said if
she did perform it, she'd be lying that's the artist
in her Yeah. Fun fact that song was written by
and performed by Befotunate O'Connor. Nothing compares to Ude Bowie. Oh,
(01:02:24):
I feel like you're gonna say it and be likely.
He put it on a record, boy, George Prince, Prince,
this is his person. She's been gone, I can do
and it's great. It's a princess version obviously great Sticks.
(01:02:44):
Mr Roboto, the song on the album created a huge
rip in the band. Really yeah, it was his concept.
The remaining members ditched it and they fought and it
was basically around this song. And this a couple of
fun stories. I saw the singer of Sticks at home
depot two years ago. That's pretty totally active, like he
(01:03:06):
didn't want to be there. He was with his wife,
I think. And how did you recognize the singer of Sticks,
Dennis DeYoung? I know what he looks like and I
saw him and I was like, holy crap, that's him.
And then you know when you see someone famous. What
do you do? You google him just to make sure
and you're like, yeah, that's him. And then the second
fun fact is when I was a kid, I used
to turn the fan on, you know, like the little
fan that sits on the table, and sing right in
(01:03:26):
front of him and go, ain't got all the time?
That funny Bobby McFerrin and don't worry, be happy. We
talked about this one a lot and I don't I
don't get it is your only one. Ironically, it no
longer made him happy. Oh yeah, I imagine that it
(01:03:47):
was a novelty song. Again, man, not for you, that's
for us. It makes us very happy. I got tired
of singing it. R e M. What do you think
their song is? How would they have a ton of
massive hits? Right? I would guess end of the world. O.
Good song, Not it though, but good song. That's a
good guest too, because it's kind of kind of catch
(01:04:09):
you a little bit. Yeah, uh no. Losing my religion
next would be terrible. I went to an Orim show once.
Didn't play a single hit. They just played the whole
new record, so all of these and they don't play anymore.
But he said before, oh, never mind there it is. Wait,
that's no, this is not the right song. Mike's playing.
(01:04:29):
This is Phil rights that. Um, I'll tell you this.
He said the song had limited appeal Michael Stipe did.
There was a co singer on it from another famous band.
It's not your favorite song, is it? No? Everybody hurts,
Everybody hurts, not this one. This is so good. There
was a there was a girl who was singing with
the girl. I don't know who is it? What is it?
(01:04:51):
This song was originally going to be the Friends theme song.
Ohhh um, I can't think of it. Shiny happy and
who's the girl from nice? I love the song, I
love the video. Adele has a song and I'm not
sure I know this song. But Adele has a song
(01:05:12):
called My Same. The song is about one of Adele's
friends that are falling out. So she dropped it from
the set list. But that had been one of those songs.
And I'm like, oh, get a coat. We probably wouldn't
even notice if it's gone. That's what I'm saying, Like,
I want to get I don't know this one song,
the rest Room, how she put it back in after
the reconcile. I don't know that that's the only one
(01:05:33):
of this wholess I didn't know. And then Prince, what
song of Princess? Do you do? You think he got
tired of playing purple rain? No? Oh, can you imagine
when the Prince the little Red Corvette. I'll tell you this.
At one point he goes that, Okay, this song I
can't play anymore? Out of date? Oh hey, is it?
Keep control? He decided listen to the clue again. He
(01:05:54):
decided it was out of date. That's your clue. It
was out of date. He did bring it back for
the Super Bowl halftime show in two thousand seven. But
what show did Prince say? This is out of date?
What song? I don't know? Okay, the last day he
performed it was New Year's Day two thousand. It's the
New Year's Day. What the song of Princess would be
(01:06:18):
out of date? Oh my god, this is a trick point.
What is it? Is it out of date? No? What song?
I'm gonna feel so dumb we're performing it on New
Year's Day two thousand. Listen New Year's Day two thousand. Yes, Oh,
(01:06:40):
such an idiot. I was really trying to lay it out.
That's pretty funny. Though he's just like, sorry, this ship
has sailed no longer singing this long man. When did
he die? What year was? I don't time to blur.
I'm gonna say two thousand. I'm guessing it was a
good sixteen years at him saying I'm not doing this
(01:07:03):
that when I missed this phenomenon, I feel like I
remember my babysit a lot of my babysitters having Prince
posters in their wall, but I never got into Prince
because it was just a little for me too. I mean,
it was always Michael Jackson versus Prince by the group
slightly older than me, but I was very much of
Michael Jackson over Prince Guy. Now it's now that you
(01:07:26):
see what Prince has done for other artists, absolutely or inspired,
or how they just say he was the best, like
people that are really great, go oh, I'm not a
guitar guitar player, Princess like he was a pretty guitar
And so when you see the great saying that about
somebody else, like man, I just wasn't educated enough to know.
And I remember those friends with these guys in Austin
called Group of Fantasma. Do you remember them? And I
(01:07:46):
remember Prince was coming to play a show in Austin
and he had reached out, I'm coming by myself. I
just need a band, and I like you guys, so
you guys step in and be my band for the night.
And it was such an honor for these guys, like
oh my gosh, a local Austin band getting to be
the backup band for Prince. But they after that night,
they remained friends, and some of the members would go
play other shows with him and they would be his
(01:08:08):
backup band other places. But just by it, like like that,
and a legend like Prince to say that, to give
give a little band like that a chance and then say,
I like you, Let's keep doing this. Pretty cool. Check
out Eddie on a Sore Losers podcast. What you Got Yeah,
Sore Losers podcast. Me Ray lunch Box, and we're talk
sports mainly. But I'm not like the smartest in sports,
so it's not all sports. We talk about life. None
(01:08:29):
of you are. I think lunch Box is pretty knowledgeable
at sports. The fact is, though he he lives in
Breede sports that so much he thinks he knows everything
about it. So my job on the podcast is to
just argue everything that he has to say, and I'm
I'm willing to say he's probably right, but there is
twenty percent where he's full of crap and I'll call
him out on it. Interesting. Yeah, and then Ray just
(01:08:51):
he's he's just Ray check out Sol losers. That's it,
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