Brooke Eden stops by the house. Bobby and Brooke talk about how she started out on American Idol, her recent health issues that kept her off the road and releasing her music for the first time in 4 years. Bobby and Eddie break down the Top 10 songs that have earned the most amount of money in royalties. They also give a quick breakdown of how you make money from a song. Plus the best music releases of the week and music news!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to episode to eighty three. We'll talk to Brooke
Eden Newish shardess. She's been town for a little bit,
but she has a great new song. Also, how she
knew Tim Tebow. Also when she went on American Idol
it didn't turn out that good for her. Also, what
other stars she went to high school with. It's a
good interview, you guys hang out for that. The top
ten richest songs, meaning the single song that made the
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most money, and obviously we started every week with the
New Music Top five. At number five, Willie Nelson has
a new album called That's Life. Here's a new song
called I Won't Dance featuring Diana Crawl Here you got
I Won't Dance? How I I won't dance? I know
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that that was the uh dancing one of the Stars,
like one of the themes that we I won't Yeah,
but Willie slowed it down. Still big instruments in there,
but yeah, that's how I know that song from Dance
of the Stars. At number four, Green Day has a
new song out called Here Comes the Shock. I was
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explaining to Caitlin how influential Green Day was back in
the day, how cool they were then she's like, I
don't get it. Yeah, she just wasn't ever exposed to
it until it was over. And now they're back and
you know, trying to do stuff. But they're never gonna
be as relevant as they were when you know, their
first three or four albums. But yeah, they made punk pop.
It was them everything. Uh so. And but for me,
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like Bob Dylan's Will overrated to me, but only because
I didn't get to experience that, So I understand some
of the stuff that she's feeling. Green Day is awesome
to me because I was a kid and you're a
punk guy, so you also get it from that. Like
the Mecca. Yeah, uh number three you this TikTok or
Sean Williams put out a song called where You Left Me?
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And I put this on here because he came on
the radio show this week. He's one of the guys
that I said, hey, you gotta stitch me in something
and I'll bring some of you in. He came in,
he performed, he was great. So you guys, check out
this song where You Left Me. Only when you want
me when I need you, You're not dare when you
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can text come running over. I'll do his way to
see You. That ain't bag pretty good? It's good. There
you go. That's the number three's name is Sean Williams.
At number two, Post Malone put out a cover of
Hoodie and the Blowfish is on They Want to Be
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with You. Here's post post version how Suck Your Baby
Because cowboys made me cry, There's nothing can go. I've
I was worried because I love Hoodie, but it's really good. Yeah.
And then my number one song is my guy Brandon Ray.
He put out a new song called used to Hi
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using hands so caught up, Go watch and do caught
of something that could get you to, sue. That sounds
really good. That sounds really good. It feels like like
his style of kind of country rock meets like a
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solid Jonas Brothers. Yeah, that might be the best straight
ahead radio song he's put out in a long time.
That that's a jam man using hands, so caught up,
Go watch and do caught of something that could get
you to like the low in there too, Dang, sue,
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I could get you just so run into some other stuff.
Eric Church put a new song out called never Break Heart.
He first debuted the song back in April for a
c m Presents, but it's out now. Carrie under What
has a new song called Great is Thy Faithfulness Faithfulness.
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The band Camino has a new song called One Last Cigarette. Uh,
there's something you don't even know who this is, but
you like this Julian Baker and Baker Yeah, do I
know him? No, it's a girl. Oh that's why I
don't know him. Okay, here's a new song called hard
Line Different sweet that Okay, that feels like I'm not
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listening to very sad. New album's Alice Cooper, Madison Beer,
Josh Grobin, Bonnie Tyler and Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Um way down in the Rustbucket film and double album
There You Go, Daft Punk calls the quits after twenty
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eight years, and obviously, when it happens, they sell a
whole bunch of more music. Oh yeah, all rats started
dance and Taylor Swift's Love Story tops the charts. The
new version of Love Story sits a top Billboards Hot
Country Songs chart, so congratulations to her. I don't hear
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the differences, did you. I can hear it. I guess
I just didn't listen enough to them side by side.
I heard it on the radio, and I was like, Oh,
I like the song. Her voice is just stronger. You
can hear that, is it? Yeah? Thomas Thomas rests plan
Billy Bob's a few times. So music is kind of
happening again. Tina Turner has a documentary coming to HBO
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Max on March, and other news. Prosecutors dropped the d
w I and reckless driving charges against Bruce Springsteen, which
was a weird story anyway, Right, he wasn't drunk, just
took a shot. He blew a point oh two point
oh eight's the limit. But some fans gave him a
shot while he was on his motorcycle right at a
park and they're like, hey, take a shot with this.
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So he's like, all right, took a shot. Cop saw
him do it, pulled him over. If that's the law
and that's the rule, hey go and force It just
seems like a dumb rule, like there should be if
you blow a point away then that's you being intoxicated. Right,
Why do we have a standard of It doesn't always matter,
but anyway, it got dropped. There you go. Those are
your new songs, new music and headlines. Now let's get
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into today's podcast interview. Style here with Brooke Eden. Brooke,
it is good to see you. It's good to see you, Bobby.
You know, I always feel like I know somebody until
maybe the day before they come in and I do
kind of a deep dive just to go, Okay, what
if I missed over the years. And I guess we've
done each other for about four or five years now,
five or six here or something like that. I had
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no idea. And I because I work on American Idol now,
I had no idea you one on that show. Oh
my gosh, yeah, a long time ago, probably years ago.
Who So that had to be the original crew it was.
It was Randy, Paul and Simon. The cool thing about
that experience is I met Mickey Guyton during that exact audition.
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Really yeah, Okay, let me ask some questions, mostly just
about the process because it's changed, oh completely, because when
you did it, it was a massive global phenomenon. We
do it, We're like, we hope we get tim million
people to watch, you know, it's just it's been around forever.
We hope to pull in a good number. But when
you did it, everybody talked about that show period. And
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so when you auditioned for that. It was still when
they were having the big outside of arena. People are
lined up forever. Cattle calls is what they called it.
And you showed up to that, showed up to that.
I was a senior in high school getting ready to
go into my freshman year of college. And yeah, I
showed up to Atlanta and there were I think fifteen
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thousand people that showed up. That crazy to think, is
that not what it is anymore? No, it's different because
you know a lot of people. They will reach out
to us, going, hey, I've got I've build the big
YouTube following this. He was just so different. Um, and yes,
we'll do cattle calls as well, and they'll be five
thousand people show up on a really good one. We'll
be like, then, it's awesome. It's just different. Like then,
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it was not as much media to be able to consume.
I mean, I got I was dominating the world. I
just wondered if it was still you know, popping hard
when you did it. Oh, it was popping hard. How
do you mean? Mickey Guyton and I. So we got
to the second round. Um, that day we were at
the second round, they were like three people left and
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in Atlanta and my hair was out to space from
the humidity of Atlanta in the middle of the summer,
and my mom was with me because I was just
turned eighteen, and she was like, oh god, honey, your
hair is your hair is bad. It's real frizzy. And
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Mickey had heard her talking to me. It must have
been loud enough, but Mickey was like, oh, poor girl.
And she came up to me and was like, hey, sister, Like,
what's up. Um, I just heard you talking about your hair.
I completely understand. I have a hair straightener in my backpack.
Do you want me to plug it into the wall?
I will straighten your hair for you. And I was
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so like overwhelmed with We're kind of competing against each
other right now and this girl just selfishly walks up
to me and wants to straighten my hair for me,
to like help me with my confidence walking into this audition.
And I was just like, what a cool chick, And
so she did. She straightened my hair for me. That
day we auditioned together. We both got to Hollywood. We
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both spent a week out in l a and had
the best Hollywood week together. And um, six years later,
we I'm in Nashville out of songwriters around and Mickey
shows up and goes and sits down at the table
that I'm sitting at, and I saw her and was
like Mickey, She's like, Brooke, like what are you doing here?
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Like American Idol? Like it had been seven years since
we had seen each other, and we kept in touch
with each other over social media, but it was the
first time that we had seen each other. And She's like,
I'm here now, and so it was just the coolest thing.
Like she's always been such a comfort zone for me
because she came into my life as a comfort zone,
and so it was just so great to have her
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here in Nashville and and to have her, you know,
women of Country events and all of those things, like
she's she's an old friend at this point that that
happened so many years ago and you both ended up
here around the same time. Yeah. Yeah, so you go,
you get the judges first of all. The producers said yes, yeah,
because that's a big part of it. You have to
get through producers before you ever get to go in
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front of Simon, Randy and Paula. The year that I went,
there were six rounds before you got to Randy Fallins.
I mean, yeah, yeah, now it's about two because the
producers no, they want to or they know, Okay, you're
cut out for this or you're not. You had to
sing six times. Yeah, it was season seven, so it
was you know, it was definitely at the beginning and
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I had to sing six different times. And then of
course you know with Randy, Paul and Simon. It was
just I was eighteen, I had not been out of
my hometown like ever. What was that like seeing them
in real life after watching them on TV as a
young kid. The weirdest thing because they marked you down
and you walk into this room, even when because right
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now the judges are Luke Brian, Katy Perry, and Lionel Richie,
and they walk you down the room and these kids
who are probably fans of Katy Perry totally, maybe a
fan of Luke Brian, depending they like country music and
and their parents are massive fans of Lionel Richie. But
they look like because they're all so famous, you just
look at them and you're like, oh my god, you're
so rich and famous, and it's got to like set
you back a little bit because their iconic feeling totally
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I think that was what was very um made me
feel really vulnerable in that moment. Was why I like
American idols so much now is because the judges are
very nice. There's no fun of people. And at that time,
I mean, Simon's whole spield was still making fun of everybody,
you know, So I was really nervous about that. And
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that's what That's what intimidated me about them. Now, I'm
sure it's the fact that these are people that everyone
looks up to, but at least you know that they're
not going to like shoot on you. They're gonna be
cool and they're gonna, you know, help you. And so
that's why I like the new direction that it's taken.
But yeah, it was. It was definitely intimidating walking in
front of people that knew anything about music, who knew
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you talking about that, people who knew anything. I guess
your dad played in a small country band when you
were a kid. Yeah, yeah, what was he a drummer?
He's still Yeah, he's still in the Persuaders down in
West Coffee and he's the drummer. And he also sings
some songs, some like like he's he looks just sing
low so he'll sing like some Toby Key heth and like,
you know, maybe anything new it comes out. He likes
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to do, like he does buy me a boat, and
he likes to sing loaf. So how old were you
when you first got to go up and sing with
his band. I was four. You were really young. I
was really little. It was illegal, for sure. I was
singing in like smoky bars I sang. The first place
I sang with him was a place called Rhinestones. So
you run these bars as a young kid. At what
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point when you're five, six, seven years old, You're like, Okay,
this is just I just know this is what I
want to do it. It was always it was instant
for me because it was I was so young, and
especially at that age, you're just like looking for approval
from anyone, you know, And it was like you get
up on stage and I was cute and I could
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hold a tune, so people thought it was awesome and
I'm making people smile, and I'm like, that's that's addictive,
you know. It's it's intoxicating to to make people happy
with something that's coming out of you. And I think,
you know, especially I grew up with shy Twain and
Faith Hill and the Dixie Chicks and these incredible you know,
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female country singers and kind of just like emulating what
I saw on CMT or heard on the radio, and
you know, and getting to go out and do that
in front of people and make them happy doing what
I liked doing. It just seemed pretty clear to me
that then's what I wanted to do, even when I
was really small. When did you start to make money
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even playing in small bars on the weekends. Well, Dad
started putting throwing out um, like his cowboy hat in
the middle of the dance floor, and people started hipping me, like,
actually it wasn't my dad that threw out a couple
of hat. It was like somebody that was at the
bar through a cowboy hat and like through five in
and then people started tipping. And I mean I would
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walk home with like or not walk home. I would,
you know, go home with from singing three songs as
a kid, you know, And then I mean I didn't.
I sang on the weekends with my dad, and then
I started really making money when the country concert started
to come through our amphitheater and I opened up for
Alan Jackson and Brooks and done when I was twelve,
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same show, different shows, um, and I started making money,
real money. Then were you able to meet them? Because
sometimes when it happens, you're not able to meet the star. No,
not at that point. So I was You're twelve years old,
but you're opening. Do your friends go wow? Because people
who watch it from afar and I find this to
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be with me as well. People are like, wow, it's
so crazy you're doing all this stuff, and I'm like, man,
if you really knew they the nuts and bolts of it,
you would think it was that glamorous. It's not glitz
and as much glitz and glam as everyone thinks it is.
You're friends and you will be famous at twelve when
you're opening for you know, back then it wasn't like country.
It was cool like it is now, you know. So
I think that my friends were like, oh, you're gonna
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go and sling country was like, you know, like they
didn't think that it was cool like it is now.
So I don't think they really cared that much. So
you're from near West Palm, right I'm from. And so
your dad's playing in a country band. When you start
singing with him, I'm sure he loves it. But does
he say, hey, this music career. I don't know if
it's something you want to get into, or is he going,
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let's go. You got this. He was definitely um nervous
for me to get into it. But he his whole
thing was you can do whatever you want, but you
have to go to college first. So in Florida, the
Florida Lottery pays a lot of Bright Future scholarships for
students who do well in high school. Wait, so tell
me about that. I didn't. I don't know Florida. In Arkansas,
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we got nothing. You get you get some hay and
they go up. You can't go to school, you need
to go work with farm. Yeah, here's your hey. Uh yeah.
So the Florida Lottery in Florida, they give all of
the money that is not used to give to the
lottery winner and it goes all into scholarships. It's called
the Florida Bright Future Scholarship. And you got that and
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I got one of them. Yet, was it because your
grades were so good or because you have like a
like a talent show for the lottery people. No, it's
it's for grades. It's all based on a Gonnamix so
you're a smart kid. I tried really hard and you
went to school at University of Florida. I did, which
is awesome, right, It was so fun. I was there
when Tim Tebow was there, so we got to do
a lot of you know, just being there for SEC
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championships and and getting to see Tim do what he did.
Were you there when they won a national championship? Yes? Yes,
I was? And basketball one year two then you got
a football and a basketball championship. Yeah, so jealous? Were
you there? Do you remember when Tibo gave the speech
after they lost and he's like, where no one's gonna
work harder than us? Uh? And then they went and
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won the freaking national championship. You ever met him, by
the way, Oh? Yeah, isn't he the greatest? He's so great.
He's so great. He's he's the most dedicated person ever.
He's a passionate guy all the time. If he's talking
to you about something that you care about or something
he cares about, like Tebow, he like stares a hole
in you. He's so passionate. Just everything that I've ever
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seen about him on TV. I was like, I don't
know about this guy. But then I met him now,
I've met him a few times. I love him. He's
a he's a good dude. I remember he was. He
had just won the Heisman when I was just on
American Idol, and that whole process was difficult for me. Um,
just because the idol problem. What happened that wasn't good?
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Because I don't know anything about it? What happened that
wasn't Yeah, Well, they just portrayed me in a way
that wasn't me. The producers got you, the producers got me. Yeah,
what happened? What? What? What did they portray you as? Uh,
just kind of a it's okay, blonde hair or just
point with it. Yeah. And you know, at the end
of the day, everyone has a goofy side. I'm a
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total goofball, but that's not all that there is to me,
and they kind of just just toned in on that.
And you know, I'm out of school where it's all
about academics, and all of a sudden, it's my freshman
year and this huge global phenomenon of a show comes
on and depicts me out in a certain way. I'm
in all of these clubs, like all of these leadership
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clubs that are like really hard to get into and
all of a sudden, people look at me in a
completely different way, and it was really hard. And and
Tim actually called me during that. We were friends, we
had mutual friends, and he called me during that and
he was like, girl, I see what they did here,
and he was like, and you you gotta keep moving
after this. He was like, you have the talent to
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do it, and I just want to let you know
that I see you, and you just gotta keep going.
I thought that was really nice. I thought it was
really cool with him. But those are some life lessons
you learned at an early age two of to not
let people control your narrative. Bobby. Yes, I mean I
was eighteen when I learned that, and it was a
hard lesson to learn. But there's there's been a lot
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of lessons along the way that I hate that for you,
but hopping on the show in those because they really
won't do that now. I mean, just the landscape is
completely different with that show. And I've only been involved
for four years now, but that would never happen now. No,
I mean that's I love I love American I don't know,
I really do. It's and there's no hard feelings either
they taught me they taught me lessons. I would have
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hard feelings, I'll be pissed. So you go to school
and people see you and they're like, so, but then
what happens at school? Are you do? You just write
it out? Yeah? I mean you know, at the end
of the day, that stuff goes away. And I was
still who I was, and I still you know, I
finished school, did I did my four years, and I
moved after I graduated. I spent nine months in Florida.
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I started as a bartender. So you did graduate. I'm graduated.
It's in business with a concentration and marketing and mass communication. Okay,
so you did all that? Was that your dad going, hey,
get a degree. But while you're learning, you're like, I'm
just getting the degree so I can go do music totally.
And the whole time that I was in college, I mean,
really what what helped with all the American Idol stuff
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was after that I became I just became the singer
for everything. So we did a lot of stuff with
Children's Miracle Network. We had dance Marathon at my college
and I sang that function every single year I was there.
I got to open up for Leonard skinnerd my freshman
year at Gator Growl at like our big Pepper rally,
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and I kind of just became like the singer of
the school. And obviously I was going to school and
getting getting a degree, but I was still doing me.
So you finish, you want to go sing? When does
it happen where you go? You know what's screw it?
I gotta go to Nashville because that's where all the
decisions are made. Totally well, I knew I had to
get to Nashville, but the question was how. I Just
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I didn't have the financial anything to go, So I
was like, how am I going to do this? So
I was like, I know how to bartend. So I
started bartending at our local line dancing bar and in Florida.
In Florida, in West Palm, back in my hometown. I
moved home, moved in with mom, like I'm going to
be a roommate for the next year probably while I
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say about money to move to Nashville. And I had
friends that went to this line dancing bar and I
had grown up singing there, so I was like, cool,
I'll see if I can bartend. Started bartending and started
meeting a bunch of people who were spending a lot
of time in Nashville and then spending time in West
Palm and um, and I was singing out. I was
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bartending outside one day and there was a guy playing
acoustic guitar and singing for like a happy hour kind
of vibe. And he went on a break and I
was like, Hey, do you mind if I play some
guitar and sing? And he was like, I mean, you're
the bartender. Can you do that? And I was like, yeah,
that's what I do. But yeah, totally. He's like cool.
So handing the guitar and I get up and I'm
singing and in people are there? People are there? Yeah,
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And um my manager walks out and I'm like, oh no,
I'm going to get in trouble. And he was like, girl,
what are you doing? And I was like, I know.
I just everyone's good at the bar. Swear. No one's
walked in since I've been up here. It's all good.
And he's like, no, what are you doing bartending here?
And I was like, well, I'm trying to save up
to move to Nashville. He's like, we can probably get
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you connected with some some places where you can be
singing to earn money to move to Nashville. It's like sweet.
So a month after that, I'm singing five nights a week,
four hours a night, and that's a lot of singing.
You know, your voice goes through a lot. It's growing,
your muscles growing. And I think I was probably nine
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months into that and I see my dad crying in
the audience of one of the tiki bars I'm singing
at and I like, it was like, I'm gonna take
a break. I get off stage. I'm like, Dad, what's up.
He's like, honey, you've found your voice. So he was
crying because he was moved, Yeah, with happiness. Yeah. He
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was like, you've you've found that thing in your voice
that that makes you you. And he's like, I think
it's time for you to move to Nashville. And I
was like, oh, I haven't told you this, but I
think it's time to move to Nashville too. I just
found a roommate. So's your roommate? Is somebody still here? Yeah? Yeah,
your friends, it's not just But how did you find
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a roommate? What was that situation? So I actually interned
at G A C. Do you remember G A C.
I do Great America Country the Channel. It was like yeah. So,
um I interned there between junior and senior year of
college just to see like do I love Nashville? Do
I like Nashville? Is this the place that I want
to live? And um, I was working there and during
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C M A Fest, my roommate was also working for
G A C. Who wasn't my roommate at the time,
but her name is Morgan and she um is from Nashville,
and she was working there and we became great friends.
And I contacted her to be like, hey, do you
know anyone who's looking for a roommate in Nashville. She's like, actually,
I'm looking for a roommate. I was like, Rod. So
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we she found us a place and we moved in.
When you got to Nashville and you started to see
other people that were just you from different parts of
the country. Yeah, and they were elite at where they
came from, and you're all starting to gather. Was that
more intimidating or inspiring to you? So inspiring? It was awesome? Yeah.
I Mean I grew up My hometown is strange. I
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don't know if you know this, but um, Cassidy Pope
and I are from the same hometown. You know, I
knew that you guys knew each other way back. I
didn't know if it was way back in Nashville early
days or if it was back home home, back home home.
So Cassidy Pope, me and this huge writer who's written
everything from Havana for Camilla Cabella to you know, justin
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Bieber Songs to what Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger
for Kelly Clarkson. Her name is Ali tam Posey. She's
in l A, She's killing it. And we're all from
the same hometown and we all had the same voice teacher.
So I kind of came from a place where you know,
everyone around you is just so good and it's not
about comparing yourself to anybody else. It's it's everyone has
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their own thing, you know, and if you don't have
your own thing, that's kind of your that's kind of
your problem, you know, Yeah, that's on you. So come
to a city where you know, this whole town is
just filled with people that are so good at what
they do, everywhere, from artists to musicians to you know,
people in the industry, and so to me, I felt
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like I had kind of found my zebras, you know,
like you kind of find the people that that make
you move and that inspire you. How long were you
here until people started to notice you, maybe not as
just a singer or just enough to go, hey, we
may actually pay you to do this on a much
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much higher level because you gotta pay the bills. Here
were you singing? Are you playing? The bars around? Music?
Are broadaway? Yeah? So the original thing that I told
my family was I'm gonna I'm gonna be in Nashville
for two weeks out of the month, try to meet
people and right, and then I'm gonna fly to Florida
and do two weeks down there of still doing my
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normal show so I can still make money and not
have a nine to five up in Nashville. So that
was like the plan. And I did that for two
and a half years until I'm my publishing deal. Did
it for two and a half years. Yeah, you're flying
back and forth? Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I had a
lot of a lot of flying points. Um, But that's
what you know, That's just I wanted to dedicate my
whole life to music, and that was the only way
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I knew how to do that at that point. So
I did it and it was just, you know, the
flights weren't that bad. I had a connection in between
um on the way they're and back, but they flew
me right into some p b I, which is ten
minutes from my house in West Palm. So are you
doing here? Then? For those two weeks we playing Riders rounds?
Were you I was meeting? Yeah? I was playing Riders rounds.
(27:35):
I was going to Whiskey Jam. I was, you know,
writing with people. The first night I got to Nashville,
my dad wanted to go down to Tootsie's. So we
got down there and a couple of beers in I
somehow I end up on stage. I truly don't remember
how it happened. I just remember being on stage and
they were like, hey, do you want to do? You
want a job here? After I sang a few songs
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and I was like, I don't know, I just got here.
I don't know what what the hell I'm doing. And
they're like, come to open auditions on Saturday. So I
ended up going to open auditions and the band leader
for all of like Tutsis and a bunch of the
bars down there, his name was Greg Humphrey, and he
was like, you know you're hired, like during the audition,
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and then afterwards he came up to me and he
was like, honey, you know singing at tutsis this is
honky Tonk school. And I have a feeling that you've
already been to honky talk school, So what else do
you want to do here in Nashville? And I was like, well,
I've been writing by myself, but I really want to
learn the Nashville way of writing a song. And he's like,
what are you doing on Tuesday? I was like, I
literally have no friends or plans, and he's like cool,
(28:40):
So uh. We started writing together and he introduced me
to a lot of his writing friends and then they're
writing friends introduced me to that to theirs, and soon
I had a riding community. Very quickly after I moved here,
I had this writing community that I would come in.
I would just book my own rights with my friends
and we would go and write songs, and then I
would go fly home to Florida and do shows and
(29:01):
do it all over again. So you get a published
and deal after being for two and a half years.
That did that seem like an eternity two and a
half years, and it's like or no, No, I didn't
even feel ready at two and a half years, Yeah,
because I got my publishing deal and then immediately got
a record deal. And I will say that when I
got to Nashville, I knew that I knew my voice,
(29:22):
like I knew how to control my voice and what
I wanted my voice to sound like. But I didn't
really know like what I wanted to say yet or
really what I wanted like the sound of my music
to be. And that took me like eight years to
figure that out. So when I got here and started
getting offers at two and a half years, I didn't
(29:43):
feel ready yet. But I just felt like this is
the way that you know, this doesn't happen normally, so
I just kind of have to go with the flow
and figure it out along the way. I think the
last time that we saw each other now one of
the last time because I saw you and Hill, I've
seen you guys out, yeah, But before that we did
a show together and maybe Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Yeah, And I
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think that was the except for a couple of times
that I've run to you in Hillary, that was the
last time I had seen you music related, yeah, and
I was always like, what's what's Brooke doing. It's been
four years since you put out any music, so why
why such a substantial amount of time. So I don't
I don't think that you even know about this. But
I'm on the road, you know, doing festival after festival.
(30:30):
We're getting three hours of sleep at night for like
five nights in a row, and it's crazy, and I'm
like getting sick. I'll get sick before shows. I don't
know what's going on. I'm going to my doctor. My
iron was low and they were just giving me test
after test and nothing was coming back conclusive. So after
(30:51):
like four years of testing, they found out that I
had ulcers in my small intestine. And my doctor was like, listen,
there's no magic pill to to heal the us, Like
you have to go home, nine hours of sleep at night,
no alcohol intake, strict diet, like you can't be doing
this on the road. You have to let yourself feel.
So that's where it started, you know, it started with
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it was life or death kind of and it was
like I needed to heal my body and take that time.
And then it was right around that time that I
met Hillary and my girlfriend Hillary, and like that changed
my life drastically for the better. But it was still
a lot that I had to figure out about me.
And then at the same time, my record label was
(31:34):
being bought out by a new company, so we had
all new leaders that were coming into my record label,
and those leaders were like, yo, girl, we love your voice.
We don't feel like this music is you. Go and
and do what you want to do. Go write the
music that you want to write. And that was really
(31:55):
the first time that anyone had said that to me.
So the break and this sort of a lot of
different variables, but um, health, getting my sound together, and
then figuring out who the heck I was as a person.
I'm so healthy now, I'm the healthiest I've ever been
to that time. Is that? What did it? Time? And
just chilling for a bit. Yeah. You know sometimes they
(32:17):
say Tom Hall's all wounds, It's it could not be
more true for me. I really needed that time. Did
you meet Hillary Nashville? You had to meet her Nshville. Yeah, yeah,
I met her Nashville. She actually worked on my promo
team for for my radio team, and that's where we went.
She did yeah, I guess when I knew her she
(32:37):
works for Garth. Now, okay, yeah, I've only known her
working for Garth. Yes, so I guess I did not
know her when she was working a Broken Bow. Yeah.
It was her first job when she got to town,
and she loved it. I mean, of course it's it's
a great place to be um a Broken Bow. But
um Garth called. And when Garth calls, you just say yes, yes, yes, sir,
(32:59):
yes the goat. I want to play before we go further.
I want to play some of some new song here.
This is no shade from Brooke Now they ain't no
shade found. He want the clown on the end, body
have no redking what it takes alone to live in
the view And I'm bad shot the end of the day, fastball,
(33:30):
when ain't no shade? Al right? Tell me we had
the song? What does it mean to you? Like? What
does it literally mean to you? Which does it literally means? Literally? Yes?
She wrote it, by the way I did. Yeah, I
wrote this with Stephen Leelson and Brandon Day over Zoom
in the middle of the pandemic. It's a recent right there,
It was a recent right Yeah. We actually we wrote
(33:50):
it in July, three days before we were going into
the studio, and um, we it was our first time writing,
the three of us, so it's kind of like the
recipe for not having not getting the song, and it
was just the right recipe for getting the song in
the end. And um, the song to me is about
(34:12):
coming out of a dark place. So for me, coming
out of a tumultuous relationship where you know, it's kind
of like when you are in a relationship that isn't good,
you don't realize it for a long time. You almost
don't realize it until you're out of it. And um,
my best friend was on her way to my house
(34:33):
that day. She was with an entire U haul of
all of her stuff because she had found out that
her boyfriend of three years had cheated on her for
the third time. Um, but this was just the first
time that she felt strong enough that she could leave.
And I was really proud of her that day. And
all I wanted her to feel was not like I
didn't want her to feel like she hated him, and
(34:53):
I didn't want her to feel like she was mad
at him. I just wanted her to feel like, I'm
so past that you know, and I've been in that
place before too. You know, I've been in that place
where I've been in a relationship that wasn't right for me.
And then you get out on the other side and
you're like, man, there's there's no rain over here. I
just I just had to pull myself from my underneath
(35:14):
that cloud. Um. And so for me, you know, it
was important for me to put out this song first
because I feel like we all are kind of coming
out from under a cloud of and I think that
a lot of us had to kind of see parts
of us that we didn't want to have to see
last year. Just being able to to slow down and
and the you had to slow down, there was there
(35:38):
was no other possibility. And you know, I think that
that that causes you to really get introspective and and
see what your life is about. And I think that
everyone had a hard time last year and seeing people
you know, so sick around you puts you in a dark,
dark place, and um, I just I wanted to bring
some sunshine to people. And at think that this song
(36:01):
has a lot of hope in it and a lot
of light in it. Two other ones coming out, yeah,
not out yet. This is the only one out yet.
What's the plan with those other two? The next one
comes out March five, it's called Sunroof, and the one
after that comes out April nine, and that's called Got
No Choice And those are both in the same vein
(36:23):
sonically as far as you know, kind of like a
retro soulful country sound. Um. All produced by Jesse Fraser,
and you know, I just wanted it to feel happy
and sunny and just like groovy vibe that makes you
feel good and um. All of the songs definitely have
(36:44):
meat in them where you know you can have a
deep moment, but they're all kind of masked in this
like happy sounding um sound. Well, I'm glad you're back.
Thank you, Bobby. I'm glad you're back. You guys can
follow at Brooke Eden Music. Check out No Shade or
by the time you hear this, because this will be
(37:05):
up almost immediately, but check out the new songs because
you may be hearing there three or four months from now.
You're not a podcast love they live forever. So I'm
proud that you're back and healthy. And you know, I
haven't seen you. I guess maybe c M as not
this last year, but after them always awards. Maybe it's
one of those awards of letters on it. I don't
know it's one of those. But I'm glad you're back.
(37:27):
Thank you so much. Congratulations and I'm happy to be here.
I see a splash and I see it and everywhere,
and it's great. It's it's great to see all right.
There she is, Brooke, Good to talk to you. And
back into a second. I saw this article about whether
or not it's possible to retire off the royalties. Have
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a song, right, you're at a song, it's number one hit?
Can you retire if you write a number one hit? Now,
let's say you're a new artist like Jordan Davis and
he's got that song if he ever singles you up song? Yeah,
of course. Edie's here, by the way, what's up? You
can't retire off of that? What I've heard a lot
of different you know, Like, I'm gonna tell you why,
because you got three writers for the most part, number
(38:11):
one song roughly is a million dollars. You'll say you
split it three ways, three dollars. You get published commes.
You gotta get their their nut back first. You gotta
get taxes taken out of it, So you're roughly gonna
end up with like a hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
Not bad, oh great, not saying that, but you're not
able to retire off of it, off of a number
one song, right, So tell me what nonsense you heard, now, No,
(38:33):
that was it. That was gonna talk, I was gonna talk.
I was gonna say that. Usually you split it three
ways and then once everyone gets her cut. I mean
I've heard less than that is mostly like around sixty
thousand dollars is kind of your first number one check, Yes,
your first because pay back all you're publishing. But here's
the thing too, like you worry about you know how
long these these songs are gonna last in people's minds.
(38:54):
These number ones, Man, they come in, they fly, and
people forget about them. So really you're just trying to
get your bang for the buck right away as fast
as you can. And if it's your first song. Let's
say you have a publishing deal and they're paying you
fifty grand to year to write, you gotta pay the
fifty back. Yeah it's alone. You don't have to pay
the loan back, but if you make any money, you
have to pay the money back. You know, if you
make no money ever, you don't owe them fIF and
(39:15):
but they'll drop you. They'll be like, all right, you
did nothing for us, thank you, but you got paid.
You got So this whole article, which was on Celebrity
net worth dot com says, listen, it's possible if you
write a big one, right and so they also had
this ten richest songs of all time, meaning these songs
(39:36):
have produced enough money through royalties, endorsements, streams to make
the songwriters and their errors at times extremely wealthy. So
the list was interesting. I thought it deserved its own
little segment here, and we do music segments like to
bring Eddie in for this. So if you're interested in
making a lot of money off songwriting, remember these three
tricks right number one, Right a Christmas song, Oh, because
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you're gonna use it every year. It's gonna pop every year.
It's a bit saturated now in country music because everybody's
got a Christmas album, but if you can get one
that hits, it's gonna stick around. And the original Christmas
songs you can These aren't covers of jingle bills, These
are the original I said, right a Christmas Songs. Number two,
write a timeless love song because again, monster love songs
(40:20):
from this unchained melody still make it money. Or get
your song featured in a movie that's huge. And if
you really want to hit the jackpot, right, a Christmas
love song that gets put the trifecta. So let's look
at the top ten richest songs of all times. Okay,
here we go. Song royalties and one on one, Okay.
(40:41):
Music royalties are payments that the rights holders that will
be the songwriter, the composer, the recording artists that they
get to license their music, right like I'm gonna sell
you the music. You don't get to keep it knowing it,
but you can use it for this amount of time.
They usually say how much, how much time you can
you have to use it, And they're paid out through
people that use the music. TV channels, radio stations like
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our company has signed a deal to play music venues
streaming platforms. Now, it's kind of wild West. We're trying
to figure it out as we go because there are
so many platforms popping up. Twitch had to pull a
metallic a concert at the other day and played generic
like Dopey elevantor music Well Metallica's rocking out because they
don't have the rights to it and they don't want
to get sued. So sometimes the user will pay royalties
(41:24):
directly to the rights holders. There's later, there's just a lot.
I just want to explain. There's a lot of ways
money is moving around, but it's mostly licensed through You
can borrow wit for this amount of time and this
is how much it costs. But then it's back it's
mind again and for the everyday person to like if
you think, like, oh, I'm a nobody, I can just
use this in my video or whatever. They've created such
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good technology now because back in the day it was
a person. It was a person going to every bar
and checking every jukebox and how many times this song played?
And you know, like, are you paying license into you know,
Alan Jackson for playing chattahoochi. Uh No, you're not. You're
getting charged. But now there's there's such a good technology
that it flags on the internet anywhere it's sold or
(42:05):
anywhere it's you streamed or whatever. They know exactly when
this song is played. There are two types of music rights.
There's master and composition. Do you know the difference. I'm
assuming composition is the songwriter, and then the master publisher
songwriters and publishers, sure, and then masters is your artist
recording that basically right, this gets into way many weeds,
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but I'm gonna try to keep it on the edge
of the top of the You're doing a good job
so far, thank you. So royalties are paid out for
recording and for compositions. The water gets mercure, but I'm
gonna drop it off. I'm just giving you that that
giving you that base to go into. People have to
understand that everyone wants a little bit out of what
they put into that song. So that being said, that's
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the legal jargon. That's what you hear at the end
of commercial. It's like no person necessary the department, and
you might it's not all the way there, but just
when people get it, okay, here we go. The ten
richest songs of all time at number ten from ninety four,
the Christmas song by meltorm A just nuts roasting on
an open fire. He wrote the music. He wrote. That's
(43:12):
why we all know the song. But he wrote it.
Everybody keeps cutting this song. Every time they cut it,
he gets the composition money for it. Somebody does. He's dead, right,
but he gets it like he his his body, well
his body is dead different. They got the money. Uh
this this song never ten has made about twenty million dollars.
(43:35):
An't that crazy? Roy Orbison and Billy D's when they
did Pretty Woman in nineteen sixty four. So this song
was massive when it was put out initially in the sixties,
but then think about when the movie Pretty Woman comes
out and it's basically the biggest movie the eighties. And
I believe Van Halen covered this song too, was a
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pretty good hit for them. Interesting eighties. Boost your walk,
I'm good for those. Uh it's it makes about a
hundred two hundred thousand per year still fifty years later,
but again it's made about twenty million bucks as well
at number eight and there are some semi contemporary songs
in here at number eight. Every Breath You Take Sting
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It was one of the biggest hits in nineteen three,
spent eight weeks on the Billboard Hot one hundred. Every
Breath You Take number twenty five at the top one
hundred songs of all time. Puff Daddy put it I'll
be missing You. You've got to give him a lot
of credit. When this song was probably dying a little
bit puffy brought it back to life. It produces about
two thousand bucks a day or seven thousand dollars a
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year for Sting. He wrote it all by himself. It's amazing,
isn't that crazy? One hundred so cool? That's that's because
a lot of these are really old. That one is not,
I mean relatively speaking. Three, Yeah, it's not bad. At
number seven, Heaven Gillespie and Fred J. Coots. In four
(45:07):
they wrote, Santa Claus has come into town making million bucks.
Oh my goodness, it's we all know it everywhere? Did
I craved this Christmas time? And every time I sing it,
even when I'm by myself. I sent him a nickel?
Somebody charges? At number six, Ben E. King, Jerry Lieber
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and Mike Stoler, they wrote stand by Me estimated arnies
of the song twenty seven million dollars? Did you know?
Twenty years later movies stand by Me is a big one?
Was that? Uh? Was Morgan Freeman? No, that was? And
(45:52):
then stand by Me as the Kids Going in the
River Phoenix and Corey Filman, Um, did you know that? When?
Of course you knew this, but and we cover because
we cover the song raging idiots. When we play at
the venue, they're supposed to document what we play, and
if it's a cover, they submit it, and then Benny
King and those two people that you mentioned get paid
(46:13):
for us thing in that in the in the auditorium. Yeah,
I mean it's not much, but they get something. What's
supposed to happen is a set an official set list
is given to the promoter supposed to happen, and then
the promoter submits the set list. We're supposed to actively
paid back for our own songs. I know, I don't
know that that happens. Well, you know, because I met
with I don't know, a publisher or something that I
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have a deal with or something, and they a couple
of years back there like will you say well of
your set lists? And like, of course I will, dude,
two years after tour and I'm like, I didn't say
one set lists? Oops. I mean I probably have someone
word document. I probably fake it, you up. But we're
playing published music, so that would mean we the masters
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the composition we wrote them. You should get paid for
performing a music. I guess I should say those unless
instead we give him to fans. Here you go take
it Alex North and heyzer it in nineteen five Here
you Go, unchained Melody Goody twenty seven point five million
(47:30):
dollars um, thank you, Ghost and yeah what I was
gonna say, thank you massive hit then Ghost and now
it gets ran only brought into movies just period. In
the love scene, John Lennon and Paul McCartney, Oh gosh
wrote Yesterday nineteen sixty five estimated earnings thirty million dollars bones,
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And I wouldn't even say that this one is because
of sink or like TV or anything like. I'm sure.
I'm sure it's used sometimes, but I mean, I just
think the Beatles just get streamed still so much suddenly,
well the streaming. The Beatles have only been on streaming
for a couple of years because they were one of
the last ones to go and downloads. Yeah, I was
a big deal on Spotify and Apple Music finally got him.
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They're making money now, I'm sure, but I don't know.
I don't know. I think it's a bit of of all.
I don't know that their digital money is crushing like
you would think, because I can't think of a like
a movie scene or anything where I've heard Yesterday, I mean,
the Beatles was just bought so much. But you're right,
I don't know. You know. The crazy thing about this,
Paul McCartney, for the most part, says he wrote this
(48:37):
whole song right, but they had a deal McCartney Lennon
to both be Lenda McCartney when they wrote the song.
And I didn't know that. And so Paul McCartney wrote
most a song and he went to Yoko after a
He's like, hey, can we switch this. Let's be honest.
I wrote the whole song and Yoka was like, no,
keeping it Lenna McCartney. She's made millions off royalties. So
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but yeah, I don't know. I can't think of a movie.
They made that whole movie called Yesterday Watch pretty terrible. Yeah,
I remember mikel I was like, it looks great. The
guy like knows the Beatles and nobody else does. Right,
it's awful, And I was like, I can't wait to
watch these, like don't watch like you can wait. Barry Manilow,
Cynthia Wheel and Phil Specter wrote, you've lost that love
(49:21):
and feeling movies galore? Who sings that song? They ever? Right?
Maybe maybe That's what I'm just going by sometimes you're
coming out of my head. Mike, who wrote who sings?
You lost that loving feelings? The Righteous Brothers? It was
when you mentioned these writers, I'm like, really, these guys
wrote that song. Yeah, it's not very man, it's very man, Okay.
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I was like, Barry Manila wrote this song. Mind, I
just sometimes halfway to the word, I give up Sometimes
reading I just go to the next time. And then
it doesn't matter what you're talking about. When you say
Phil Specter, my mind just goes to, like, whoa that
dude of murder? Right husband and wife's songwriters any Man
and Cynthia will wrote the song with producer and convicted murderer.
He may have died recently, he's dead really still spect
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The Righteous Brothers. It was a top gun right. It
was already hit the top dang most played song in
radio history. This is did you know that? That's pretty cool?
We should play it tomorrow on the show. Hey, we
don't give we have two songs left. Eddie, any guesses
as to it's tough. It's I'm just like going, Hey,
(50:27):
guess number one through a thousand? Yeah, I know number
you guess one thousand, one through a thousand. I go
for you six six. Anyway, can you name either one
of these? I'm gonna have to just lean towards a
Christmas song for one of them. Guess, guess the Christmas
song that you think you would put on. I would
(50:48):
go with Mariah Carey's didn't make the top ten. I'm
sure it's made of a bunch of money. You're right.
One of them is a Christmas song at number two.
White Christmas that was on my Mind by Irving Berlin
has made thirty six million dollars. Excuse me. One writer
must have been a Hollywood writer because they made They
made that for a movie. No song captures the heart
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of the holidays like White Christmas. This is iconic. It's
also ironic when you consider the fact that it was
written by Jewish immigrant from Russia being Crosby's version is
by far the most famous, but countless artists have recorded it.
Over a hundred million copies sold worldwide. It's pretty ironic.
What song is known to everyone is number one? It's
made fifty million. It's the most it's made more, I mean,
(51:35):
thirty six is to fifties number one. What song in
royalties has made fifty million dollars? It brings in five
thousand dollars a day two million a year in royalties.
It costs two dollars used this next song in a
movie or TV show, which is often why you see
actors sing an odd, changed up version of it on screen.
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This also explains why chain restaurants sing their own custom version.
Chain read. There's a lot of good hints in there.
You may not even realize this, but it's technically illegal
to sing this song in a large group of unrelated people,
like an office party without paying a royalty. Got it,
but I know what it is. But this has got
to be free by now right. No. They copyright for
Happy Birthday expires in twenty thirty in the United States,
(52:19):
and I believe it has expired in Europe already. I
believe so, like two thousand, sixteen seventeen, it ended there
to two thousand thirty. We're almost there. But then you
can have a happy birthday. Here you go, your number
one song. It was written happy Birthday. M hmm, original,
(52:40):
that's the original on piano for their words to it, Nope,
oh oh, they like Scooby doo ay. So the person
(53:02):
who did the words though, should probably get a little
bit of credit to right, because like whenever part of
the happy Birthday song is like happy birthday, dear Bobby.
Like that's unique. This guy just sounds like you're just
doing on the piano. Who's who's the first guy that
said we gotta put a name right in there. I
don't know who woute the words? Do you, Mike? I
don't know what if those aren't even the fishing words.
(53:26):
Guys like, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. There
you go, those are your big money maker songs. So
write you a song it's about Christmas, or it's a
love song, or that's about fall in love Christmas. Should
we just rewrite happy birthday? At some point we have
done that happy birthday to yea happy birthday, and then
Chili's as a happy happy birthday, you know, and then
(53:47):
it too or think that's it. Everything else failed? Eddie.
Promote your podcast, Buddy Sore Losers Podcast, Me lunch Box
and Ray. We're just three dudes talking about sports and
among other things, we like to gamble. It's a fun podcast,
guaranteed to laugh over it being stupid, funny whatever, No,
(54:08):
you'll laugh. I mean we say some of the most
outrageous stuff that we're just like, we would come up
with this crap. You guaranteed it, though, I'm telling you,
we'll make you laugh, like I about go back and
listen and like this is the dumbest thing I ever heard.
I'm laughing. All right, there you go, Sore Losers. Do
you ever think you guys branch off and just go
to your own thing? Ah? Yeah, yeah, I think so.
I think we both have. We all have like our
(54:29):
unique things that we could branch off to. No, no,
I'm saying the Sore Losers leads biy Bone show. I'll
stop it. No, I'm serious, stop it. No, I think
that I think we're onto something. I think you're talking
just just you risk it. No, you have to take it.
Step back sometimes take a step forward. And they have
been talking to us about possibly going on like Fox
Sports and doing an episode and seeing how it works,
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so we'll see. I don't know, I love it and
then you go, you guys can go and save me
some money on this budget here and yeah, no I
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store lasers by everybody m
Welcome to episode to eighty three. We'll talk to Brooke
Eden Newish shardess. She's been town for a little bit,
but she has a great new song. Also, how she
knew Tim Tebow. Also when she went on American Idol
it didn't turn out that good for her. Also, what
other stars she went to high school with. It's a
good interview, you guys hang out for that. The top
ten richest songs, meaning the single song that made the
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most money, and obviously we started every week with the
New Music Top five. At number five, Willie Nelson has
a new album called That's Life. Here's a new song
called I Won't Dance featuring Diana Crawl Here you got
I Won't Dance? How I I won't dance? I know
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that that was the uh dancing one of the Stars,
like one of the themes that we I won't Yeah,
but Willie slowed it down. Still big instruments in there,
but yeah, that's how I know that song from Dance
of the Stars. At number four, Green Day has a
new song out called Here Comes the Shock. I was
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explaining to Caitlin how influential Green Day was back in
the day, how cool they were then she's like, I
don't get it. Yeah, she just wasn't ever exposed to
it until it was over. And now they're back and
you know, trying to do stuff. But they're never gonna
be as relevant as they were when you know, their
first three or four albums. But yeah, they made punk pop.
It was them everything. Uh so. And but for me,
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like Bob Dylan's Will overrated to me, but only because
I didn't get to experience that, So I understand some
of the stuff that she's feeling. Green Day is awesome
to me because I was a kid and you're a
punk guy, so you also get it from that. Like
the Mecca. Yeah, uh number three you this TikTok or
Sean Williams put out a song called where You Left Me?
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And I put this on here because he came on
the radio show this week. He's one of the guys
that I said, hey, you gotta stitch me in something
and I'll bring some of you in. He came in,
he performed, he was great. So you guys, check out
this song where You Left Me. Only when you want
me when I need you, You're not dare when you
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can text come running over. I'll do his way to
see You. That ain't bag pretty good? It's good. There
you go. That's the number three's name is Sean Williams.
At number two, Post Malone put out a cover of
Hoodie and the Blowfish is on They Want to Be
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with You. Here's post post version how Suck Your Baby
Because cowboys made me cry, There's nothing can go. I've
I was worried because I love Hoodie, but it's really good. Yeah.
And then my number one song is my guy Brandon Ray.
He put out a new song called used to Hi
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using hands so caught up, Go watch and do caught
of something that could get you to, sue. That sounds
really good. That sounds really good. It feels like like
his style of kind of country rock meets like a
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solid Jonas Brothers. Yeah, that might be the best straight
ahead radio song he's put out in a long time.
That that's a jam man using hands, so caught up,
Go watch and do caught of something that could get
you to like the low in there too, Dang, sue,
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I could get you just so run into some other stuff.
Eric Church put a new song out called never Break Heart.
He first debuted the song back in April for a
c m Presents, but it's out now. Carrie under What
has a new song called Great is Thy Faithfulness Faithfulness.
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The band Camino has a new song called One Last Cigarette. Uh,
there's something you don't even know who this is, but
you like this Julian Baker and Baker Yeah, do I
know him? No, it's a girl. Oh that's why I
don't know him. Okay, here's a new song called hard
Line Different sweet that Okay, that feels like I'm not
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listening to very sad. New album's Alice Cooper, Madison Beer,
Josh Grobin, Bonnie Tyler and Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Um way down in the Rustbucket film and double album
There You Go, Daft Punk calls the quits after twenty
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eight years, and obviously, when it happens, they sell a
whole bunch of more music. Oh yeah, all rats started
dance and Taylor Swift's Love Story tops the charts. The
new version of Love Story sits a top Billboards Hot
Country Songs chart, so congratulations to her. I don't hear
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the differences, did you. I can hear it. I guess
I just didn't listen enough to them side by side.
I heard it on the radio, and I was like, Oh,
I like the song. Her voice is just stronger. You
can hear that, is it? Yeah? Thomas Thomas rests plan
Billy Bob's a few times. So music is kind of
happening again. Tina Turner has a documentary coming to HBO
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Max on March, and other news. Prosecutors dropped the d
w I and reckless driving charges against Bruce Springsteen, which
was a weird story anyway, Right, he wasn't drunk, just
took a shot. He blew a point oh two point
oh eight's the limit. But some fans gave him a
shot while he was on his motorcycle right at a
park and they're like, hey, take a shot with this.
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So he's like, all right, took a shot. Cop saw
him do it, pulled him over. If that's the law
and that's the rule, hey go and force It just
seems like a dumb rule, like there should be if
you blow a point away then that's you being intoxicated. Right,
Why do we have a standard of It doesn't always matter,
but anyway, it got dropped. There you go. Those are
your new songs, new music and headlines. Now let's get
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into today's podcast interview. Style here with Brooke Eden. Brooke,
it is good to see you. It's good to see you, Bobby.
You know, I always feel like I know somebody until
maybe the day before they come in and I do
kind of a deep dive just to go, Okay, what
if I missed over the years. And I guess we've
done each other for about four or five years now,
five or six here or something like that. I had
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no idea. And I because I work on American Idol now,
I had no idea you one on that show. Oh
my gosh, yeah, a long time ago, probably years ago.
Who So that had to be the original crew it was.
It was Randy, Paul and Simon. The cool thing about
that experience is I met Mickey Guyton during that exact audition.
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Really yeah, Okay, let me ask some questions, mostly just
about the process because it's changed, oh completely, because when
you did it, it was a massive global phenomenon. We
do it, We're like, we hope we get tim million
people to watch, you know, it's just it's been around forever.
We hope to pull in a good number. But when
you did it, everybody talked about that show period. And
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so when you auditioned for that. It was still when
they were having the big outside of arena. People are
lined up forever. Cattle calls is what they called it.
And you showed up to that, showed up to that.
I was a senior in high school getting ready to
go into my freshman year of college. And yeah, I
showed up to Atlanta and there were I think fifteen
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thousand people that showed up. That crazy to think, is
that not what it is anymore? No, it's different because
you know a lot of people. They will reach out
to us, going, hey, I've got I've build the big
YouTube following this. He was just so different. Um, and yes,
we'll do cattle calls as well, and they'll be five
thousand people show up on a really good one. We'll
be like, then, it's awesome. It's just different. Like then,
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it was not as much media to be able to consume.
I mean, I got I was dominating the world. I
just wondered if it was still you know, popping hard
when you did it. Oh, it was popping hard. How
do you mean? Mickey Guyton and I. So we got
to the second round. Um, that day we were at
the second round, they were like three people left and
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in Atlanta and my hair was out to space from
the humidity of Atlanta in the middle of the summer,
and my mom was with me because I was just
turned eighteen, and she was like, oh god, honey, your
hair is your hair is bad. It's real frizzy. And
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Mickey had heard her talking to me. It must have
been loud enough, but Mickey was like, oh, poor girl.
And she came up to me and was like, hey, sister, Like,
what's up. Um, I just heard you talking about your hair.
I completely understand. I have a hair straightener in my backpack.
Do you want me to plug it into the wall?
I will straighten your hair for you. And I was
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so like overwhelmed with We're kind of competing against each
other right now and this girl just selfishly walks up
to me and wants to straighten my hair for me,
to like help me with my confidence walking into this audition.
And I was just like, what a cool chick, And
so she did. She straightened my hair for me. That
day we auditioned together. We both got to Hollywood. We
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both spent a week out in l a and had
the best Hollywood week together. And um, six years later,
we I'm in Nashville out of songwriters around and Mickey
shows up and goes and sits down at the table
that I'm sitting at, and I saw her and was
like Mickey, She's like, Brooke, like what are you doing here?
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Like American Idol? Like it had been seven years since
we had seen each other, and we kept in touch
with each other over social media, but it was the
first time that we had seen each other. And She's like,
I'm here now, and so it was just the coolest thing.
Like she's always been such a comfort zone for me
because she came into my life as a comfort zone,
and so it was just so great to have her
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here in Nashville and and to have her, you know,
women of Country events and all of those things, like
she's she's an old friend at this point that that
happened so many years ago and you both ended up
here around the same time. Yeah. Yeah, so you go,
you get the judges first of all. The producers said yes, yeah,
because that's a big part of it. You have to
get through producers before you ever get to go in
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front of Simon, Randy and Paula. The year that I went,
there were six rounds before you got to Randy Fallins.
I mean, yeah, yeah, now it's about two because the
producers no, they want to or they know, Okay, you're
cut out for this or you're not. You had to
sing six times. Yeah, it was season seven, so it
was you know, it was definitely at the beginning and
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I had to sing six different times. And then of
course you know with Randy, Paul and Simon. It was
just I was eighteen, I had not been out of
my hometown like ever. What was that like seeing them
in real life after watching them on TV as a
young kid. The weirdest thing because they marked you down
and you walk into this room, even when because right
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now the judges are Luke Brian, Katy Perry, and Lionel Richie,
and they walk you down the room and these kids
who are probably fans of Katy Perry totally, maybe a
fan of Luke Brian, depending they like country music and
and their parents are massive fans of Lionel Richie. But
they look like because they're all so famous, you just
look at them and you're like, oh my god, you're
so rich and famous, and it's got to like set
you back a little bit because their iconic feeling totally
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I think that was what was very um made me
feel really vulnerable in that moment. Was why I like
American idols so much now is because the judges are
very nice. There's no fun of people. And at that time,
I mean, Simon's whole spield was still making fun of everybody,
you know, So I was really nervous about that. And
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that's what That's what intimidated me about them. Now, I'm
sure it's the fact that these are people that everyone
looks up to, but at least you know that they're
not going to like shoot on you. They're gonna be
cool and they're gonna, you know, help you. And so
that's why I like the new direction that it's taken.
But yeah, it was. It was definitely intimidating walking in
front of people that knew anything about music, who knew
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you talking about that, people who knew anything. I guess
your dad played in a small country band when you
were a kid. Yeah, yeah, what was he a drummer?
He's still Yeah, he's still in the Persuaders down in
West Coffee and he's the drummer. And he also sings
some songs, some like like he's he looks just sing
low so he'll sing like some Toby Key heth and like,
you know, maybe anything new it comes out. He likes
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to do, like he does buy me a boat, and
he likes to sing loaf. So how old were you
when you first got to go up and sing with
his band. I was four. You were really young. I
was really little. It was illegal, for sure. I was
singing in like smoky bars I sang. The first place
I sang with him was a place called Rhinestones. So
you run these bars as a young kid. At what
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point when you're five, six, seven years old, You're like, Okay,
this is just I just know this is what I
want to do it. It was always it was instant
for me because it was I was so young, and
especially at that age, you're just like looking for approval
from anyone, you know, And it was like you get
up on stage and I was cute and I could
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hold a tune, so people thought it was awesome and
I'm making people smile, and I'm like, that's that's addictive,
you know. It's it's intoxicating to to make people happy
with something that's coming out of you. And I think,
you know, especially I grew up with shy Twain and
Faith Hill and the Dixie Chicks and these incredible you know,
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female country singers and kind of just like emulating what
I saw on CMT or heard on the radio, and
you know, and getting to go out and do that
in front of people and make them happy doing what
I liked doing. It just seemed pretty clear to me
that then's what I wanted to do, even when I
was really small. When did you start to make money
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even playing in small bars on the weekends. Well, Dad
started putting throwing out um, like his cowboy hat in
the middle of the dance floor, and people started hipping me, like,
actually it wasn't my dad that threw out a couple
of hat. It was like somebody that was at the
bar through a cowboy hat and like through five in
and then people started tipping. And I mean I would
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walk home with like or not walk home. I would,
you know, go home with from singing three songs as
a kid, you know, And then I mean I didn't.
I sang on the weekends with my dad, and then
I started really making money when the country concert started
to come through our amphitheater and I opened up for
Alan Jackson and Brooks and done when I was twelve,
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same show, different shows, um, and I started making money,
real money. Then were you able to meet them? Because
sometimes when it happens, you're not able to meet the star. No,
not at that point. So I was You're twelve years old,
but you're opening. Do your friends go wow? Because people
who watch it from afar and I find this to
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be with me as well. People are like, wow, it's
so crazy you're doing all this stuff, and I'm like, man,
if you really knew they the nuts and bolts of it,
you would think it was that glamorous. It's not glitz
and as much glitz and glam as everyone thinks it is.
You're friends and you will be famous at twelve when
you're opening for you know, back then it wasn't like country.
It was cool like it is now, you know. So
I think that my friends were like, oh, you're gonna
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go and sling country was like, you know, like they
didn't think that it was cool like it is now.
So I don't think they really cared that much. So
you're from near West Palm, right I'm from. And so
your dad's playing in a country band. When you start
singing with him, I'm sure he loves it. But does
he say, hey, this music career. I don't know if
it's something you want to get into, or is he going,
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let's go. You got this. He was definitely um nervous
for me to get into it. But he his whole
thing was you can do whatever you want, but you
have to go to college first. So in Florida, the
Florida Lottery pays a lot of Bright Future scholarships for
students who do well in high school. Wait, so tell
me about that. I didn't. I don't know Florida. In Arkansas,
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we got nothing. You get you get some hay and
they go up. You can't go to school, you need
to go work with farm. Yeah, here's your hey. Uh yeah.
So the Florida Lottery in Florida, they give all of
the money that is not used to give to the
lottery winner and it goes all into scholarships. It's called
the Florida Bright Future Scholarship. And you got that and
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I got one of them. Yet, was it because your
grades were so good or because you have like a
like a talent show for the lottery people. No, it's
it's for grades. It's all based on a Gonnamix so
you're a smart kid. I tried really hard and you
went to school at University of Florida. I did, which
is awesome, right, It was so fun. I was there
when Tim Tebow was there, so we got to do
a lot of you know, just being there for SEC
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championships and and getting to see Tim do what he did.
Were you there when they won a national championship? Yes? Yes,
I was? And basketball one year two then you got
a football and a basketball championship. Yeah, so jealous? Were
you there? Do you remember when Tibo gave the speech
after they lost and he's like, where no one's gonna
work harder than us? Uh? And then they went and
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won the freaking national championship. You ever met him, by
the way, Oh? Yeah, isn't he the greatest? He's so great.
He's so great. He's he's the most dedicated person ever.
He's a passionate guy all the time. If he's talking
to you about something that you care about or something
he cares about, like Tebow, he like stares a hole
in you. He's so passionate. Just everything that I've ever
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seen about him on TV. I was like, I don't
know about this guy. But then I met him now,
I've met him a few times. I love him. He's
a he's a good dude. I remember he was. He
had just won the Heisman when I was just on
American Idol, and that whole process was difficult for me. Um,
just because the idol problem. What happened that wasn't good?
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Because I don't know anything about it? What happened that
wasn't Yeah, Well, they just portrayed me in a way
that wasn't me. The producers got you, the producers got me. Yeah,
what happened? What? What? What did they portray you as? Uh,
just kind of a it's okay, blonde hair or just
point with it. Yeah. And you know, at the end
of the day, everyone has a goofy side. I'm a
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total goofball, but that's not all that there is to me,
and they kind of just just toned in on that.
And you know, I'm out of school where it's all
about academics, and all of a sudden, it's my freshman
year and this huge global phenomenon of a show comes
on and depicts me out in a certain way. I'm
in all of these clubs, like all of these leadership
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clubs that are like really hard to get into and
all of a sudden, people look at me in a
completely different way, and it was really hard. And and
Tim actually called me during that. We were friends, we
had mutual friends, and he called me during that and
he was like, girl, I see what they did here,
and he was like, and you you gotta keep moving
after this. He was like, you have the talent to
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do it, and I just want to let you know
that I see you, and you just gotta keep going.
I thought that was really nice. I thought it was
really cool with him. But those are some life lessons
you learned at an early age two of to not
let people control your narrative. Bobby. Yes, I mean I
was eighteen when I learned that, and it was a
hard lesson to learn. But there's there's been a lot
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of lessons along the way that I hate that for you,
but hopping on the show in those because they really
won't do that now. I mean, just the landscape is
completely different with that show. And I've only been involved
for four years now, but that would never happen now. No,
I mean that's I love I love American I don't know,
I really do. It's and there's no hard feelings either
they taught me they taught me lessons. I would have
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hard feelings, I'll be pissed. So you go to school
and people see you and they're like, so, but then
what happens at school? Are you do? You just write
it out? Yeah? I mean you know, at the end
of the day, that stuff goes away. And I was
still who I was, and I still you know, I
finished school, did I did my four years, and I
moved after I graduated. I spent nine months in Florida.
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I started as a bartender. So you did graduate. I'm graduated.
It's in business with a concentration and marketing and mass communication. Okay,
so you did all that? Was that your dad going, hey,
get a degree. But while you're learning, you're like, I'm
just getting the degree so I can go do music totally.
And the whole time that I was in college, I mean,
really what what helped with all the American Idol stuff
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was after that I became I just became the singer
for everything. So we did a lot of stuff with
Children's Miracle Network. We had dance Marathon at my college
and I sang that function every single year I was there.
I got to open up for Leonard skinnerd my freshman
year at Gator Growl at like our big Pepper rally,
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and I kind of just became like the singer of
the school. And obviously I was going to school and
getting getting a degree, but I was still doing me.
So you finish, you want to go sing? When does
it happen where you go? You know what's screw it?
I gotta go to Nashville because that's where all the
decisions are made. Totally well, I knew I had to
get to Nashville, but the question was how. I Just
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I didn't have the financial anything to go, So I
was like, how am I going to do this? So
I was like, I know how to bartend. So I
started bartending at our local line dancing bar and in Florida.
In Florida, in West Palm, back in my hometown. I
moved home, moved in with mom, like I'm going to
be a roommate for the next year probably while I
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say about money to move to Nashville. And I had
friends that went to this line dancing bar and I
had grown up singing there, so I was like, cool,
I'll see if I can bartend. Started bartending and started
meeting a bunch of people who were spending a lot
of time in Nashville and then spending time in West
Palm and um, and I was singing out. I was
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bartending outside one day and there was a guy playing
acoustic guitar and singing for like a happy hour kind
of vibe. And he went on a break and I
was like, Hey, do you mind if I play some
guitar and sing? And he was like, I mean, you're
the bartender. Can you do that? And I was like, yeah,
that's what I do. But yeah, totally. He's like cool.
So handing the guitar and I get up and I'm
singing and in people are there? People are there? Yeah,
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And um my manager walks out and I'm like, oh no,
I'm going to get in trouble. And he was like, girl,
what are you doing? And I was like, I know.
I just everyone's good at the bar. Swear. No one's
walked in since I've been up here. It's all good.
And he's like, no, what are you doing bartending here?
And I was like, well, I'm trying to save up
to move to Nashville. He's like, we can probably get
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you connected with some some places where you can be
singing to earn money to move to Nashville. It's like sweet.
So a month after that, I'm singing five nights a week,
four hours a night, and that's a lot of singing.
You know, your voice goes through a lot. It's growing,
your muscles growing. And I think I was probably nine
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months into that and I see my dad crying in
the audience of one of the tiki bars I'm singing
at and I like, it was like, I'm gonna take
a break. I get off stage. I'm like, Dad, what's up.
He's like, honey, you've found your voice. So he was
crying because he was moved, Yeah, with happiness. Yeah. He
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was like, you've you've found that thing in your voice
that that makes you you. And he's like, I think
it's time for you to move to Nashville. And I
was like, oh, I haven't told you this, but I
think it's time to move to Nashville too. I just
found a roommate. So's your roommate? Is somebody still here? Yeah? Yeah,
your friends, it's not just But how did you find
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a roommate? What was that situation? So I actually interned
at G A C. Do you remember G A C.
I do Great America Country the Channel. It was like yeah. So,
um I interned there between junior and senior year of
college just to see like do I love Nashville? Do
I like Nashville? Is this the place that I want
to live? And um, I was working there and during
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C M A Fest, my roommate was also working for
G A C. Who wasn't my roommate at the time,
but her name is Morgan and she um is from Nashville,
and she was working there and we became great friends.
And I contacted her to be like, hey, do you
know anyone who's looking for a roommate in Nashville. She's like, actually,
I'm looking for a roommate. I was like, Rod. So
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we she found us a place and we moved in.
When you got to Nashville and you started to see
other people that were just you from different parts of
the country. Yeah, and they were elite at where they
came from, and you're all starting to gather. Was that
more intimidating or inspiring to you? So inspiring? It was awesome? Yeah.
I Mean I grew up My hometown is strange. I
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don't know if you know this, but um, Cassidy Pope
and I are from the same hometown. You know, I
knew that you guys knew each other way back. I
didn't know if it was way back in Nashville early
days or if it was back home home, back home home.
So Cassidy Pope, me and this huge writer who's written
everything from Havana for Camilla Cabella to you know, justin
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Bieber Songs to what Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger
for Kelly Clarkson. Her name is Ali tam Posey. She's
in l A, She's killing it. And we're all from
the same hometown and we all had the same voice teacher.
So I kind of came from a place where you know,
everyone around you is just so good and it's not
about comparing yourself to anybody else. It's it's everyone has
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their own thing, you know, and if you don't have
your own thing, that's kind of your that's kind of
your problem, you know, Yeah, that's on you. So come
to a city where you know, this whole town is
just filled with people that are so good at what
they do, everywhere, from artists to musicians to you know,
people in the industry, and so to me, I felt
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like I had kind of found my zebras, you know,
like you kind of find the people that that make
you move and that inspire you. How long were you
here until people started to notice you, maybe not as
just a singer or just enough to go, hey, we
may actually pay you to do this on a much
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much higher level because you gotta pay the bills. Here
were you singing? Are you playing? The bars around? Music?
Are broadaway? Yeah? So the original thing that I told
my family was I'm gonna I'm gonna be in Nashville
for two weeks out of the month, try to meet
people and right, and then I'm gonna fly to Florida
and do two weeks down there of still doing my
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normal show so I can still make money and not
have a nine to five up in Nashville. So that
was like the plan. And I did that for two
and a half years until I'm my publishing deal. Did
it for two and a half years. Yeah, you're flying
back and forth? Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I had a
lot of a lot of flying points. Um, But that's
what you know, That's just I wanted to dedicate my
whole life to music, and that was the only way
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I knew how to do that at that point. So
I did it and it was just, you know, the
flights weren't that bad. I had a connection in between
um on the way they're and back, but they flew
me right into some p b I, which is ten
minutes from my house in West Palm. So are you
doing here? Then? For those two weeks we playing Riders rounds?
Were you I was meeting? Yeah? I was playing Riders rounds.
(27:35):
I was going to Whiskey Jam. I was, you know,
writing with people. The first night I got to Nashville,
my dad wanted to go down to Tootsie's. So we
got down there and a couple of beers in I
somehow I end up on stage. I truly don't remember
how it happened. I just remember being on stage and
they were like, hey, do you want to do? You
want a job here? After I sang a few songs
(27:57):
and I was like, I don't know, I just got here.
I don't know what what the hell I'm doing. And
they're like, come to open auditions on Saturday. So I
ended up going to open auditions and the band leader
for all of like Tutsis and a bunch of the
bars down there, his name was Greg Humphrey, and he
was like, you know you're hired, like during the audition,
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and then afterwards he came up to me and he
was like, honey, you know singing at tutsis this is
honky Tonk school. And I have a feeling that you've
already been to honky talk school, So what else do
you want to do here in Nashville? And I was like, well,
I've been writing by myself, but I really want to
learn the Nashville way of writing a song. And he's like,
what are you doing on Tuesday? I was like, I
literally have no friends or plans, and he's like cool,
(28:40):
So uh. We started writing together and he introduced me
to a lot of his writing friends and then they're
writing friends introduced me to that to theirs, and soon
I had a riding community. Very quickly after I moved here,
I had this writing community that I would come in.
I would just book my own rights with my friends
and we would go and write songs, and then I
would go fly home to Florida and do shows and
(29:01):
do it all over again. So you get a published
and deal after being for two and a half years.
That did that seem like an eternity two and a
half years, and it's like or no, No, I didn't
even feel ready at two and a half years, Yeah,
because I got my publishing deal and then immediately got
a record deal. And I will say that when I
got to Nashville, I knew that I knew my voice,
(29:22):
like I knew how to control my voice and what
I wanted my voice to sound like. But I didn't
really know like what I wanted to say yet or
really what I wanted like the sound of my music
to be. And that took me like eight years to
figure that out. So when I got here and started
getting offers at two and a half years, I didn't
(29:43):
feel ready yet. But I just felt like this is
the way that you know, this doesn't happen normally, so
I just kind of have to go with the flow
and figure it out along the way. I think the
last time that we saw each other now one of
the last time because I saw you and Hill, I've
seen you guys out, yeah, But before that we did
a show together and maybe Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Yeah, And I
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think that was the except for a couple of times
that I've run to you in Hillary, that was the
last time I had seen you music related, yeah, and
I was always like, what's what's Brooke doing. It's been
four years since you put out any music, so why
why such a substantial amount of time. So I don't
I don't think that you even know about this. But
I'm on the road, you know, doing festival after festival.
(30:30):
We're getting three hours of sleep at night for like
five nights in a row, and it's crazy, and I'm
like getting sick. I'll get sick before shows. I don't
know what's going on. I'm going to my doctor. My
iron was low and they were just giving me test
after test and nothing was coming back conclusive. So after
(30:51):
like four years of testing, they found out that I
had ulcers in my small intestine. And my doctor was like, listen,
there's no magic pill to to heal the us, Like
you have to go home, nine hours of sleep at night,
no alcohol intake, strict diet, like you can't be doing
this on the road. You have to let yourself feel.
So that's where it started, you know, it started with
(31:13):
it was life or death kind of and it was
like I needed to heal my body and take that time.
And then it was right around that time that I
met Hillary and my girlfriend Hillary, and like that changed
my life drastically for the better. But it was still
a lot that I had to figure out about me.
And then at the same time, my record label was
(31:34):
being bought out by a new company, so we had
all new leaders that were coming into my record label,
and those leaders were like, yo, girl, we love your voice.
We don't feel like this music is you. Go and
and do what you want to do. Go write the
music that you want to write. And that was really
(31:55):
the first time that anyone had said that to me.
So the break and this sort of a lot of
different variables, but um, health, getting my sound together, and
then figuring out who the heck I was as a person.
I'm so healthy now, I'm the healthiest I've ever been
to that time. Is that? What did it? Time? And
just chilling for a bit. Yeah. You know sometimes they
(32:17):
say Tom Hall's all wounds, It's it could not be
more true for me. I really needed that time. Did
you meet Hillary Nashville? You had to meet her Nshville. Yeah, yeah,
I met her Nashville. She actually worked on my promo
team for for my radio team, and that's where we went.
She did yeah, I guess when I knew her she
(32:37):
works for Garth. Now, okay, yeah, I've only known her
working for Garth. Yes, so I guess I did not
know her when she was working a Broken Bow. Yeah.
It was her first job when she got to town,
and she loved it. I mean, of course it's it's
a great place to be um a Broken Bow. But
um Garth called. And when Garth calls, you just say yes, yes, yes, sir,
(32:59):
yes the goat. I want to play before we go further.
I want to play some of some new song here.
This is no shade from Brooke Now they ain't no
shade found. He want the clown on the end, body
have no redking what it takes alone to live in
the view And I'm bad shot the end of the day, fastball,
(33:30):
when ain't no shade? Al right? Tell me we had
the song? What does it mean to you? Like? What
does it literally mean to you? Which does it literally means? Literally? Yes?
She wrote it, by the way I did. Yeah, I
wrote this with Stephen Leelson and Brandon Day over Zoom
in the middle of the pandemic. It's a recent right there,
It was a recent right Yeah. We actually we wrote
(33:50):
it in July, three days before we were going into
the studio, and um, we it was our first time writing,
the three of us, so it's kind of like the
recipe for not having not getting the song, and it
was just the right recipe for getting the song in
the end. And um, the song to me is about
(34:12):
coming out of a dark place. So for me, coming
out of a tumultuous relationship where you know, it's kind
of like when you are in a relationship that isn't good,
you don't realize it for a long time. You almost
don't realize it until you're out of it. And um,
my best friend was on her way to my house
(34:33):
that day. She was with an entire U haul of
all of her stuff because she had found out that
her boyfriend of three years had cheated on her for
the third time. Um, but this was just the first
time that she felt strong enough that she could leave.
And I was really proud of her that day. And
all I wanted her to feel was not like I
didn't want her to feel like she hated him, and
(34:53):
I didn't want her to feel like she was mad
at him. I just wanted her to feel like, I'm
so past that you know, and I've been in that
place before too. You know, I've been in that place
where I've been in a relationship that wasn't right for me.
And then you get out on the other side and
you're like, man, there's there's no rain over here. I
just I just had to pull myself from my underneath
(35:14):
that cloud. Um. And so for me, you know, it
was important for me to put out this song first
because I feel like we all are kind of coming
out from under a cloud of and I think that
a lot of us had to kind of see parts
of us that we didn't want to have to see
last year. Just being able to to slow down and
and the you had to slow down, there was there
(35:38):
was no other possibility. And you know, I think that
that that causes you to really get introspective and and
see what your life is about. And I think that
everyone had a hard time last year and seeing people
you know, so sick around you puts you in a dark,
dark place, and um, I just I wanted to bring
some sunshine to people. And at think that this song
(36:01):
has a lot of hope in it and a lot
of light in it. Two other ones coming out, yeah,
not out yet. This is the only one out yet.
What's the plan with those other two? The next one
comes out March five, it's called Sunroof, and the one
after that comes out April nine, and that's called Got
No Choice And those are both in the same vein
(36:23):
sonically as far as you know, kind of like a
retro soulful country sound. Um. All produced by Jesse Fraser,
and you know, I just wanted it to feel happy
and sunny and just like groovy vibe that makes you
feel good and um. All of the songs definitely have
(36:44):
meat in them where you know you can have a
deep moment, but they're all kind of masked in this
like happy sounding um sound. Well, I'm glad you're back.
Thank you, Bobby. I'm glad you're back. You guys can
follow at Brooke Eden Music. Check out No Shade or
by the time you hear this, because this will be
(37:05):
up almost immediately, but check out the new songs because
you may be hearing there three or four months from now.
You're not a podcast love they live forever. So I'm
proud that you're back and healthy. And you know, I
haven't seen you. I guess maybe c M as not
this last year, but after them always awards. Maybe it's
one of those awards of letters on it. I don't
know it's one of those. But I'm glad you're back.
(37:27):
Thank you so much. Congratulations and I'm happy to be here.
I see a splash and I see it and everywhere,
and it's great. It's it's great to see all right.
There she is, Brooke, Good to talk to you. And
back into a second. I saw this article about whether
or not it's possible to retire off the royalties. Have
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a song, right, you're at a song, it's number one hit?
Can you retire if you write a number one hit? Now,
let's say you're a new artist like Jordan Davis and
he's got that song if he ever singles you up song? Yeah,
of course. Edie's here, by the way, what's up? You
can't retire off of that? What I've heard a lot
of different you know, Like, I'm gonna tell you why,
because you got three writers for the most part, number
(38:11):
one song roughly is a million dollars. You'll say you
split it three ways, three dollars. You get published commes.
You gotta get their their nut back first. You gotta
get taxes taken out of it, So you're roughly gonna
end up with like a hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
Not bad, oh great, not saying that, but you're not
able to retire off of it, off of a number
one song, right, So tell me what nonsense you heard, now, No,
(38:33):
that was it. That was gonna talk, I was gonna talk.
I was gonna say that. Usually you split it three
ways and then once everyone gets her cut. I mean
I've heard less than that is mostly like around sixty
thousand dollars is kind of your first number one check, Yes,
your first because pay back all you're publishing. But here's
the thing too, like you worry about you know how
long these these songs are gonna last in people's minds.
(38:54):
These number ones, Man, they come in, they fly, and
people forget about them. So really you're just trying to
get your bang for the buck right away as fast
as you can. And if it's your first song. Let's
say you have a publishing deal and they're paying you
fifty grand to year to write, you gotta pay the
fifty back. Yeah it's alone. You don't have to pay
the loan back, but if you make any money, you
have to pay the money back. You know, if you
make no money ever, you don't owe them fIF and
(39:15):
but they'll drop you. They'll be like, all right, you
did nothing for us, thank you, but you got paid.
You got So this whole article, which was on Celebrity
net worth dot com says, listen, it's possible if you
write a big one, right and so they also had
this ten richest songs of all time, meaning these songs
(39:36):
have produced enough money through royalties, endorsements, streams to make
the songwriters and their errors at times extremely wealthy. So
the list was interesting. I thought it deserved its own
little segment here, and we do music segments like to
bring Eddie in for this. So if you're interested in
making a lot of money off songwriting, remember these three
tricks right number one, Right a Christmas song, Oh, because
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you're gonna use it every year. It's gonna pop every year.
It's a bit saturated now in country music because everybody's
got a Christmas album, but if you can get one
that hits, it's gonna stick around. And the original Christmas
songs you can These aren't covers of jingle bills, These
are the original I said, right a Christmas Songs. Number two,
write a timeless love song because again, monster love songs
(40:20):
from this unchained melody still make it money. Or get
your song featured in a movie that's huge. And if
you really want to hit the jackpot, right, a Christmas
love song that gets put the trifecta. So let's look
at the top ten richest songs of all times. Okay,
here we go. Song royalties and one on one, Okay.
(40:41):
Music royalties are payments that the rights holders that will
be the songwriter, the composer, the recording artists that they
get to license their music, right like I'm gonna sell
you the music. You don't get to keep it knowing it,
but you can use it for this amount of time.
They usually say how much, how much time you can
you have to use it, And they're paid out through
people that use the music. TV channels, radio stations like
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our company has signed a deal to play music venues
streaming platforms. Now, it's kind of wild West. We're trying
to figure it out as we go because there are
so many platforms popping up. Twitch had to pull a
metallic a concert at the other day and played generic
like Dopey elevantor music Well Metallica's rocking out because they
don't have the rights to it and they don't want
to get sued. So sometimes the user will pay royalties
(41:24):
directly to the rights holders. There's later, there's just a lot.
I just want to explain. There's a lot of ways
money is moving around, but it's mostly licensed through You
can borrow wit for this amount of time and this
is how much it costs. But then it's back it's
mind again and for the everyday person to like if
you think, like, oh, I'm a nobody, I can just
use this in my video or whatever. They've created such
(41:45):
good technology now because back in the day it was
a person. It was a person going to every bar
and checking every jukebox and how many times this song played?
And you know, like, are you paying license into you know,
Alan Jackson for playing chattahoochi. Uh No, you're not. You're
getting charged. But now there's there's such a good technology
that it flags on the internet anywhere it's sold or
(42:05):
anywhere it's you streamed or whatever. They know exactly when
this song is played. There are two types of music rights.
There's master and composition. Do you know the difference. I'm
assuming composition is the songwriter, and then the master publisher
songwriters and publishers, sure, and then masters is your artist
recording that basically right, this gets into way many weeds,
(42:28):
but I'm gonna try to keep it on the edge
of the top of the You're doing a good job
so far, thank you. So royalties are paid out for
recording and for compositions. The water gets mercure, but I'm
gonna drop it off. I'm just giving you that that
giving you that base to go into. People have to
understand that everyone wants a little bit out of what
they put into that song. So that being said, that's
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the legal jargon. That's what you hear at the end
of commercial. It's like no person necessary the department, and
you might it's not all the way there, but just
when people get it, okay, here we go. The ten
richest songs of all time at number ten from ninety four,
the Christmas song by meltorm A just nuts roasting on
an open fire. He wrote the music. He wrote. That's
(43:12):
why we all know the song. But he wrote it.
Everybody keeps cutting this song. Every time they cut it,
he gets the composition money for it. Somebody does. He's dead, right,
but he gets it like he his his body, well
his body is dead different. They got the money. Uh
this this song never ten has made about twenty million dollars.
(43:35):
An't that crazy? Roy Orbison and Billy D's when they
did Pretty Woman in nineteen sixty four. So this song
was massive when it was put out initially in the sixties,
but then think about when the movie Pretty Woman comes
out and it's basically the biggest movie the eighties. And
I believe Van Halen covered this song too, was a
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pretty good hit for them. Interesting eighties. Boost your walk,
I'm good for those. Uh it's it makes about a
hundred two hundred thousand per year still fifty years later,
but again it's made about twenty million bucks as well
at number eight and there are some semi contemporary songs
in here at number eight. Every Breath You Take Sting
(44:19):
It was one of the biggest hits in nineteen three,
spent eight weeks on the Billboard Hot one hundred. Every
Breath You Take number twenty five at the top one
hundred songs of all time. Puff Daddy put it I'll
be missing You. You've got to give him a lot
of credit. When this song was probably dying a little
bit puffy brought it back to life. It produces about
two thousand bucks a day or seven thousand dollars a
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year for Sting. He wrote it all by himself. It's amazing,
isn't that crazy? One hundred so cool? That's that's because
a lot of these are really old. That one is not,
I mean relatively speaking. Three, Yeah, it's not bad. At
number seven, Heaven Gillespie and Fred J. Coots. In four
(45:07):
they wrote, Santa Claus has come into town making million bucks.
Oh my goodness, it's we all know it everywhere? Did
I craved this Christmas time? And every time I sing it,
even when I'm by myself. I sent him a nickel?
Somebody charges? At number six, Ben E. King, Jerry Lieber
(45:32):
and Mike Stoler, they wrote stand by Me estimated arnies
of the song twenty seven million dollars? Did you know?
Twenty years later movies stand by Me is a big one?
Was that? Uh? Was Morgan Freeman? No, that was? And
(45:52):
then stand by Me as the Kids Going in the
River Phoenix and Corey Filman, Um, did you know that? When?
Of course you knew this, but and we cover because
we cover the song raging idiots. When we play at
the venue, they're supposed to document what we play, and
if it's a cover, they submit it, and then Benny
King and those two people that you mentioned get paid
(46:13):
for us thing in that in the in the auditorium. Yeah,
I mean it's not much, but they get something. What's
supposed to happen is a set an official set list
is given to the promoter supposed to happen, and then
the promoter submits the set list. We're supposed to actively
paid back for our own songs. I know, I don't
know that that happens. Well, you know, because I met
with I don't know, a publisher or something that I
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have a deal with or something, and they a couple
of years back there like will you say well of
your set lists? And like, of course I will, dude,
two years after tour and I'm like, I didn't say
one set lists? Oops. I mean I probably have someone
word document. I probably fake it, you up. But we're
playing published music, so that would mean we the masters
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the composition we wrote them. You should get paid for
performing a music. I guess I should say those unless
instead we give him to fans. Here you go take
it Alex North and heyzer it in nineteen five Here
you Go, unchained Melody Goody twenty seven point five million
(47:30):
dollars um, thank you, Ghost and yeah what I was
gonna say, thank you massive hit then Ghost and now
it gets ran only brought into movies just period. In
the love scene, John Lennon and Paul McCartney, Oh gosh
wrote Yesterday nineteen sixty five estimated earnings thirty million dollars bones,
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And I wouldn't even say that this one is because
of sink or like TV or anything like. I'm sure.
I'm sure it's used sometimes, but I mean, I just
think the Beatles just get streamed still so much suddenly,
well the streaming. The Beatles have only been on streaming
for a couple of years because they were one of
the last ones to go and downloads. Yeah, I was
a big deal on Spotify and Apple Music finally got him.
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They're making money now, I'm sure, but I don't know.
I don't know. I think it's a bit of of all.
I don't know that their digital money is crushing like
you would think, because I can't think of a like
a movie scene or anything where I've heard Yesterday, I mean,
the Beatles was just bought so much. But you're right,
I don't know. You know. The crazy thing about this,
Paul McCartney, for the most part, says he wrote this
(48:37):
whole song right, but they had a deal McCartney Lennon
to both be Lenda McCartney when they wrote the song.
And I didn't know that. And so Paul McCartney wrote
most a song and he went to Yoko after a
He's like, hey, can we switch this. Let's be honest.
I wrote the whole song and Yoka was like, no,
keeping it Lenna McCartney. She's made millions off royalties. So
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but yeah, I don't know. I can't think of a movie.
They made that whole movie called Yesterday Watch pretty terrible. Yeah,
I remember mikel I was like, it looks great. The
guy like knows the Beatles and nobody else does. Right,
it's awful, And I was like, I can't wait to
watch these, like don't watch like you can wait. Barry Manilow,
Cynthia Wheel and Phil Specter wrote, you've lost that love
(49:21):
and feeling movies galore? Who sings that song? They ever? Right?
Maybe maybe That's what I'm just going by sometimes you're
coming out of my head. Mike, who wrote who sings?
You lost that loving feelings? The Righteous Brothers? It was
when you mentioned these writers, I'm like, really, these guys
wrote that song. Yeah, it's not very man, it's very man, Okay.
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I was like, Barry Manila wrote this song. Mind, I
just sometimes halfway to the word, I give up Sometimes
reading I just go to the next time. And then
it doesn't matter what you're talking about. When you say
Phil Specter, my mind just goes to, like, whoa that
dude of murder? Right husband and wife's songwriters any Man
and Cynthia will wrote the song with producer and convicted murderer.
He may have died recently, he's dead really still spect
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The Righteous Brothers. It was a top gun right. It
was already hit the top dang most played song in
radio history. This is did you know that? That's pretty cool?
We should play it tomorrow on the show. Hey, we
don't give we have two songs left. Eddie, any guesses
as to it's tough. It's I'm just like going, Hey,
(50:27):
guess number one through a thousand? Yeah, I know number
you guess one thousand, one through a thousand. I go
for you six six. Anyway, can you name either one
of these? I'm gonna have to just lean towards a
Christmas song for one of them. Guess, guess the Christmas
song that you think you would put on. I would
(50:48):
go with Mariah Carey's didn't make the top ten. I'm
sure it's made of a bunch of money. You're right.
One of them is a Christmas song at number two.
White Christmas that was on my Mind by Irving Berlin
has made thirty six million dollars. Excuse me. One writer
must have been a Hollywood writer because they made They
made that for a movie. No song captures the heart
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of the holidays like White Christmas. This is iconic. It's
also ironic when you consider the fact that it was
written by Jewish immigrant from Russia being Crosby's version is
by far the most famous, but countless artists have recorded it.
Over a hundred million copies sold worldwide. It's pretty ironic.
What song is known to everyone is number one? It's
made fifty million. It's the most it's made more, I mean,
(51:35):
thirty six is to fifties number one. What song in
royalties has made fifty million dollars? It brings in five
thousand dollars a day two million a year in royalties.
It costs two dollars used this next song in a
movie or TV show, which is often why you see
actors sing an odd, changed up version of it on screen.
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This also explains why chain restaurants sing their own custom version.
Chain read. There's a lot of good hints in there.
You may not even realize this, but it's technically illegal
to sing this song in a large group of unrelated people,
like an office party without paying a royalty. Got it,
but I know what it is. But this has got
to be free by now right. No. They copyright for
Happy Birthday expires in twenty thirty in the United States,
(52:19):
and I believe it has expired in Europe already. I
believe so, like two thousand, sixteen seventeen, it ended there
to two thousand thirty. We're almost there. But then you
can have a happy birthday. Here you go, your number
one song. It was written happy Birthday. M hmm, original,
(52:40):
that's the original on piano for their words to it, Nope,
oh oh, they like Scooby doo ay. So the person
(53:02):
who did the words though, should probably get a little
bit of credit to right, because like whenever part of
the happy Birthday song is like happy birthday, dear Bobby.
Like that's unique. This guy just sounds like you're just
doing on the piano. Who's who's the first guy that
said we gotta put a name right in there. I
don't know who woute the words? Do you, Mike? I
don't know what if those aren't even the fishing words.
(53:26):
Guys like, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. There
you go, those are your big money maker songs. So
write you a song it's about Christmas, or it's a
love song, or that's about fall in love Christmas. Should
we just rewrite happy birthday? At some point we have
done that happy birthday to yea happy birthday, and then
Chili's as a happy happy birthday, you know, and then
(53:47):
it too or think that's it. Everything else failed? Eddie.
Promote your podcast, Buddy Sore Losers Podcast, Me lunch Box
and Ray. We're just three dudes talking about sports and
among other things, we like to gamble. It's a fun podcast,
guaranteed to laugh over it being stupid, funny whatever, No,
(54:08):
you'll laugh. I mean we say some of the most
outrageous stuff that we're just like, we would come up
with this crap. You guaranteed it, though, I'm telling you,
we'll make you laugh, like I about go back and
listen and like this is the dumbest thing I ever heard.
I'm laughing. All right, there you go, Sore Losers. Do
you ever think you guys branch off and just go
to your own thing? Ah? Yeah, yeah, I think so.
I think we both have. We all have like our
(54:29):
unique things that we could branch off to. No, no,
I'm saying the Sore Losers leads biy Bone show. I'll
stop it. No, I'm serious, stop it. No, I think
that I think we're onto something. I think you're talking
just just you risk it. No, you have to take it.
Step back sometimes take a step forward. And they have
been talking to us about possibly going on like Fox
Sports and doing an episode and seeing how it works,
(54:49):
so we'll see. I don't know, I love it and
then you go, you guys can go and save me
some money on this budget here and yeah, no I
like it here. Stop that. Yeah alright, check out the
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