#293 - George Thorogood on notoriety of his song “Bad to the Bone” and Performing in 50 States in 50 days + Jake Brennan host of Disgraceland on the Dark Side of Musicians - Bobbycast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to episode to three. We gotta call a couple
of days ago, said, Hey, George thorow Goods in town,
legendary rock blues musician. He's got the song bad to
the Bone, which you may know, which is right here. Hey, Hey,
let's to talk to you do a little interview. And
I was like, great. I was a big George throw
good fan as a kid because I listened to classic
rock radio all the time, and so he has a

(00:24):
song bad at the Bone. He played fifty states and
fifty days he opened for the Rolling Stones. He had
like six seven big hits. But hang out, we do
that the most recognizable rock song from the seventies. We'll
talk about that, Eddie and I come in to talk
about that too. So very classic rock oriented show this week.
But we talked to Jake Brennan, host of disgrace Land,

(00:46):
which is not about classic rock so much, but he
does the dark side of musicians, but a lot of
that stuff. He talks about it a lot of these
artists from back in the day, and I even asked him, Hey,
who's way different than their stage persona, like, who did
we see on TV or do we read about in
the books? And watch on the Internet and go oh
they were like this, but they were the exact opposite.
He talks about that all that coming up. Glad you
guys are here. Here are the five releases that I'm

(01:07):
most excited about this week. At number five, it is
Sasha Sloan with Sam Hunt. This is a song called
when Was It Over? When was It Over? When was
the moment she was? It's still not over for me.

(01:32):
It's still not over for me. I'm still holding it.
Sounds like a pretty country is song for someone who's
put out a bunch of pop stuffs um at number five.
There You Go. At number four, Reba has a new

(01:53):
song called Somehow You Do. It is for a movie
called Four Good Days. It centers on a mother who
desperately tries to help her daughter survive a drug addiction.
It opens apt Here's a clip of that song, Somehow
You Do So Hell. At number three this week, Justin

(02:17):
Moore has a new album called Straight Out of the Country.
Here's the song the title track called Straight out of
the Country. Stick Nickson Sexist, where the Hard Chip sin
Free Just Sling Straight at countree. At number two. Jamison
Rogers has a new album called in it for the money.

(02:39):
Here's a new song out called Rolling Rock, Rolling Stones.
I love the dance with women. I love it, says
the sus sip start me Up by Dream Bust talk
about you guys really good. He has another song called

(03:01):
good Dogs that came out a couple of weeks ago.
I encourage you guys to check that whole whole ep
new album out he has. And then number one, I
bring on special guests talk about this one. It's Eddie
who you hear from? Later? Eddie got the microphone, yo,
I want to ask you about the number one song
we have on the list here. It's from Bobby Bones
and the Raging Idiots with John Party. I'll play it first.
I hear is can't say that in a country song. No,

(03:21):
you can't see that in a country song. No, he
can't say No, he can't say that. No, you can't
say that country. But it was like the day in

(03:44):
the studio we're recording this, Oh man, it was a
beautiful day actually, and John was there. Super I remember
pulling up to the parking lot and John was in
his pickup truck and I didn't know it was John.
I go, who's that dude? Just sitting there and he
was just chilling. No cowboy hat, nothing, but he has
an old old pickup truy. It was John Party. He
walks in and dude, we're just ready to roll. I
mean we were ready to go. John when he got

(04:06):
on that mic, I think, I'm just used to you
and me being in the studio and it's like, you know, hey,
you can't say that. And then John gets on the
mic and he's like he Then I'm like that downd
so good. He's loud, and he's so good. He's so good.
That's when you know, like, all right, that's a real
artist right there. He did like three takes of singing
and all three are perfect. It took longer with him

(04:28):
to do the ad libs. Yeah, because we're the comedian, right,
we're being funny. Is that wad do that? Good? I'd
do it again, But it's singing perfect for me and
taking like a hundred singing a hundred times to sing it,
and like ad libs I get the first time. I
don't know. You know, you walk into this thing and
usually there's an engineer who's just doing the board. He's
doing all the recording on the the computer or whatever,
and he doesn't really know the music. He's just kind

(04:49):
of there because he's paid what hourly Bones and so
seeing his response on a comedy song is usually how
I gauge it. And he was cracking up, so I'm like,
all right, this this is good. Then, yeah, you gotta
check out Bobby Bones and the Raging Idiots new song
with John Party. Can't say that in a country song.
People ask how do you get an artist on your song?
And I just said, hey, John, will you sing on
this song? And he's like, yeah, let me hear it?

(05:10):
He said, he actually said yes, let me hear it.
Oh yes, first yes, so we agreed for then said
let me hear it, and then we were gonna record
it way pretty pandemic because we have a live version
of this already out on the Live and Little Rock record,
and he's like, man, I'm trying to get that song,
and they shut everything down, and finally when they kind
of open things back up again, we wouldn't recorded it.
But even when we were playing that live, you you

(05:32):
would even be like, hey, man, who would be a
good artist to do this with? And I think immediately
we're like it's John Party, Like it's just I think
without thinking too hard about it. He's the guy that'd
be perfect for this song. So that's number one. Check
that out stream it, Like what what you should do
is stream it when you leave your house and now
to keep playing over it over again, because nobody's gonna
stream our music. So it's our own little joke towards
the music industry. I mean that's what I do. Yeah,

(05:52):
I leave it on repeating. I added to your playlists
morning music. K Moore has a new song called good Live.
Eric church is um third album, Heart and Soul Soul
is out. Chris Lane has a new song called Filed,
and Boots like Shelton has Bible Versus. Brett Young has
a new song called not Yet. Uh there you go.
That's all the music coming out. Let's see bad Bunnies

(06:15):
tours the fastest selling towards like really like he's so good.
Do you know anything about him? I saw him with WrestleMania.
Was he Puerto Rican? I don't know, Puerto Rican or something.
He's just so good, Like I I dig his music
like not my style ever, but I don't know. And
then my my little foster baby, he loves jamming too,

(06:35):
it too I mean he's part Puerto Rican. I guess
Demi Lavato apologizes for blasting in l a frozen yogurt chop.
Do you see that story? What does? She gets on
Instagram and she's like, why we shame and diet culture
and the company comes back and goes, hey, we're not.
We need non sugar options for people to have diabetes.
That's because she went and she was like, why are
we making food cold? It shouldn't. We shouldn't have sugar free.

(06:57):
We shouldn't And the company goes back, goes, hey, people
need sugar. The options guys let people live. So that
was a pretty quick backtrack on her party. Boy, it's
just to get on Instagram and have an opinion real quick.
Those always risky. Yeah, Like you should calm down. I
have to, I struggle. You should calm down and run
it by somebody first and be like I'm about to

(07:17):
do this because I did that with Caitlin a couple
of times. Like I'll just go on and pissed. She's like, Oh,
I don't think you should do that. It's like chess,
you gotta look at your options. If I make this move,
what's going to happen? Do I really feel good about
this move, and I ready for the repercussions and if so,
go for it. But I don't think she understood why
that they had those other options and they came out
and they were like, hey, we've thought long and hard

(07:38):
about this, and they have a lot of people who
all right, that's it. Enjoyed today's podcast. I know I did,
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(08:01):
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Thank you, enjoy the show. Alright, fifteen songs. We're gonna
go way back before we were both born in the
nineteen seventies. Let's go. But they say you can identify

(08:22):
them with just a couple of notes. Now, in the
last episode, we did this one remember that one? Yeah?
What was it called again? Paranoid? Paranoid by Black say,
I will remember that now from now on. And then
there was this one what you called Mississippi Mud, which
I later realized as an ice creamers on their cake

(08:43):
and guitar heroes where you know this from Cool ninety five? Yeah,
but which is where Cool ninety five comes from? Yeah? Okay,
So let's see how many you can name here? Can
you name in the first few notes? This one? Mm,
that's Cream? Okay? The same yep, but you don't haven't

(09:03):
got it right? Same Layla? Do you know the band though? Okay,
it's not Cream, same person Eric Clapton. What other band
was he in? Derek and the Dominoes. Yeah, I say,
I wouldn't gotten that. Let's good, though, be embarrassed. I'd
be embarrassed to tell you that I was thinking twisted
Sister there for a second. Embarrassing. I'd encourage MIKEE to

(09:26):
edit that out um Layla, which he later redid on
his unplugged album Like the Late Daies early nineties, which
was You Got Me All My Knees. That's where he
plays that beginning part and everyone goes nuts right there.
So same song, just acoustic. Next up, can you name
this one? Come on? Maybe in that bathroom. Uh, it's

(09:54):
not Smoke on the Water. Gosh, you won't get this one.
You'll know it, you'll know the band name. But it's
a Jethro toll awkwa lung. Come on, which, by the way,
this whole seventies thing is because George Thorogood should be
on this podcast later today. Very cool. Yeah, as a
right necklace supposed to be on. Yeah. Next up, you'll
know this one for sure. Go ahead. Yeah. Stairway to

(10:18):
Heaven led Zeppelin, Stairway to Heave a nice show, and
she's kind buying buying, Really she's buying. He's buying a
stairwaid to happen. She was climbing. I thought she was
like the going up to see the Jolly Green Giant,
unless she's buying it to go see Jack and the Beanstalk.
Huh how about that. I've been seeing that wrong my

(10:40):
whole life and done. Remember this is the five minute intro,
and we can listen to all of it Magic one
oh five Class of Croc all the time, but they
hated this intro. Get the lead out. It's Thursday, led Zeppelin,
let's go all right, here we go next up? Can
you name this one? No one out? It's like behind

(11:04):
blue Eyes the Who. That's right, no one knows what
it's like to be the bad. My son and I
went through a hole like let's flash back to the Who.
Because he didn't know anything, but he I guess he
heard Babo o'relly on some TV show and he's like,
that's a good song, Like, oh, give me an hour
and I'm gonna show you the best of the Who.
And he loved it. You know what happened to kind
of bring that song back a little bit was Lamb

(11:26):
Biscuits coming right when they did the same song. You
know what, it's pretty good too. It was good. Actually,
I like Lamb Biscuit. Um, can you name this other one?
Go on, Alice Cooper. School's out, nice out slow, Yes,
schools out for days? Some confused? Right there? Okay, this

(11:46):
one you'll get go ahead, maybe you won't get the
band Hm, I got both Smoke on the Water, deep purple.
Nice first song I learn how to play guitar. I
think for a lot of people either first or second. Metallica,
Uh Metallic? Uh really yeah? That was my first two

(12:07):
because you don't have to touch anything strings. What song
is that? That's a melting else matters? Hold on fore
a second and they call it on. No, it's nothing
else matters doing ding thing thing. Maybe they're gonna do
my song? Then really, what's this? Nothing else matters? Now

(12:27):
what do they have? That's it? Trust me, that's what
everyone learned because you don't have to hit anything with
your left hand on this the fret hand until right
here do they have anything called? And they unforgiven? The
one I know is boom, countdown down, boom. Oh that's
your first one. Yeah, that's that's unforgiven, I think, and

(12:50):
they all the son forgive it. Don't see unforgiven? That's
all right? Oh boy? Uh okay, next up, you'll know
this one. Go ahead, oh Aerosmith and dream on, dream
on eminem later we did it. Man, You listen to
this and didn't even sound anything like Steve what's his name, Steve?

(13:13):
You mean, what's his name? Steven Tyler? It sounds nothing
like jobs and usu uh. Next up, yeah, come on,
it's just the Oregan dude. Don't this is so good?

(13:35):
Don't okay? Go ahead? Next one? Oh money some of
these are really really cool, good long lasting songs. The Bones,
You're gonna make me go home and listen to classic
rock all day today. Well, we're on the golf course
ntil we put on I know always we're like, we're
usually go like four holes and we're like, dude, you
know what's missing? And then we put it on. Gets

(13:57):
sad because all of a sudden, food Fighters pops up,
true smash mouth off a class of rock that's new. Alright,
name this one weewoo Matt, Yeah, well the name of
the song. No, okay, Rihanna, next up. I don't hear

(14:22):
the Reaper. I need more cow uh dun not dire straight.
Oh my gosh, who is this? Oh my gosh, who
is this? There's the color in their names. The first
word is a color blue oyster colt. Yes, I got there,

(14:44):
all right. Two more most recognized seventies songs by a
few notes. Go ahead, Hotel, California. Yeah, the Eagles. Great,
that's the guitar on a dog. That's a highway cool
in in the heir. Uh. Last one, Eddie on for

(15:04):
the win, digod do good, did good Ding Ding Barracuda
five part Yeah, Proud of myself on that. You guys
have talking about music on Sore Losers, and I mean
I tried to, but they don't know anything about music.
It's it's a it's a little uh disheartening because like, man,

(15:24):
I love music. Sometimes we say something in the podcast
where I'm like that calls for this song and then
Ray's just like I don't know that song. It's like, okay,
forget it, So Losers you can listen to it. Yeah,
so loses three days week. We talked about sports, but
we also talk about just our lives or three dudes.
It's it's our chance to be bros. And I love it.
There you have it. Thank you Eddie for joining me

(15:44):
for the Stadman. Thank you talking about the seventies, which
most of our listeners like, what the F is this?
All right? Thank you, Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. We're
down here in Nashville, Tennessee with the legendary Bones with
the silly II. It's just George Thorogood with Mike and
uh hut and uh my main man, I bet you

(16:06):
had to do so many of those at radio stations,
like hey, this is George Saragod and you're listening to
rock one oh six. You know we call we cut
a song um by Johnny Otis Williem a hand jove
And I made the mistake when I recorded it. He said,
the baby got famous in his crib, you see. And
I went doing a hand job on MTV. Now MTV

(16:27):
was real big then, right, so I thought that'd be
a clever thing to do. E M I gets me
down to l A, gets me in the studio like here, right,
And they had that song and he wants me to
dub in this when he said doing a hand job
on KLOS doing a handso d E T W D
on W M A S And it was about a
hundred and fifty And I said, never want to hear

(16:48):
that song. I'm blackfired on And I did it? Did it? Yeah,
I did. It would be all day to do it,
but I did it. Well. I feel lucky that you
hear because you don't live in Nashville of Boston. Where
do you lived? Now? West Coast? Okay? Good for Hank,
good for you. Weather is better, huh yeah something. Most
of the time ish every place has got his Upston down. Yeah.

(17:10):
Well so, I I mean I played the opery probably
fifteen times at this point, but I also host and
produced the Opery TV show, and we were kind of
going through guests and they said, hey, George Thorowgod is
gonna make his Opery debut. And I was like, I
am literally the biggest George thoraw Good fan because and
I was what I was doing was actually telling us
that hey, you know like and that they did know

(17:32):
in the end, but I was like, you know, the
Hank Senior, you know, he took uh, you have roots
and actually knowing old school country music because you kind
of converted some of that to rock. And so I
think that's that's important for country music fans to know,
is that you actually have a respect for the old
traditional country music. Well, I guess so I I never
looked at Hank Williams is a country music at all,

(17:53):
because this was about nineteen sixty nine or something when
I first discovered Hank Williams. So I knew this song, Um,
I'm So lone So I could Cry by b. J. Thomas.
He did a like a rhythm and blues version of
you may have heard it came out in sixty six.
So when I got his music at the same time,
right almost the same time, within a month or a

(18:15):
couple of weeks, I can't remember, but I was turned
onto Robert Johnson and I was listening to Hank Williams
one day, Robert Johnson next. I couldn't figure out which
artist was greater, which one was better, and I said,
it's a draw, there's, there's, there's. But in that time, there,
of course, there was there was no category called country music.
It just was you know. I heard Ring of Fire

(18:36):
on the radio, a M radio in like nineteen two
or whatever. So I started listening to this guy, Hank Williams,
and started getting all his stuff, doing some back background
on him, and I never really thought of it, like,
I just thought it was very groovy song is a
very ingenious guy who wrote these fantastic tunes. And then
later I guess when you got a categorize thing, I said, well,

(18:57):
what is blues? This is the R and B charts,
just the blues charts. Man. I heard Ray Charles on
the radio and after that they played a Marty Robins song.
That's how far back I go. So I never knew
that distinction. I just thought because I was just a
little kid, you know, I thought, well, let's just groovy songs.
So yeah, I have respect for that, but um, I've

(19:18):
always tried to um stay away from classifying things like me,
how can you classify dialing? How do you classify you?
I know you're staying away from it, but it's like,
you know, blues and rock. And then I also just looked.
I was like, because again I could go through your
catalog of songs. And also, let me say this, every
time somebody has to pick a song for me to
enter a room, too, it's you every time. Every time

(19:40):
I go into and they're like, let's hey, we're gonna
do something new no one's ever done as soon as
Bobby balks. We're gonna play bad to the Bone every
single time. So we had so every time a little bit,
I curse your name, even though I love the song,
but I'm like, dang, that bad to the bone. They
play it every time. Well to classify me, I just
make it easy. I'm an international sex symbol. Oh okay,

(20:02):
I don't know what chart that. I don't know how
to get on that chart. Let me play a little
clip about I don't. I don't really know myself, you know, right,
I never really uh you know, when we got started,
they they slotted us into blues for lack of other areas,
but blues never embraced us. To the beginning of it
was uh, it was called underground FM music and in

(20:23):
seventy seventy eight and seventy nine, and then that later
got replaced by classic rock. So you know, we just played.
We didn't think. I said, well, well category to put
Tom Waits in, you know, you know, he's one of
a kind type of artists, and I just said, well,
I'm not blues, buddy, guys blues, I'm just George with

(20:45):
you know, a lot of funny songs and fast beat
and maybe we'll catch on, you know. So I'm like you,
my comedy is my main thing. That's my main gig,
you know. But you also, you know, crossed over and
we're basically because of how popular you were, even though
you never changed your style. You were a pop artist.

(21:06):
Well pop means popular, right, That's my point exactly. It
doesn't mean you were sonically changing anything. Michael Jackson's a
king of pop. But I know what you're saying. Whatever
popular is pop. It doesn't matter what what degree level
it is. You know. That's if you're popular fifteen people
or fifteen thousand. You know you're still, like you said,
you're popular with somebody. You know, my favorite, well, one

(21:28):
of my favorites, because I was actually I think I
was maybe eleven years old when Get a Hack and
Get a Real, Like I was actually like listening to
music and choosing my own music at that point. Like
that to me, I actually like remember and I felt
when it come out that was early nineties, yeah and so,

(21:48):
and I remember hearing that on the pop station what
do you Want from Me? And then it went right
over and and almost it went from me hearing you
on the pop station, but I would also hear some
of the older stuff on the assic rock station, and
I was kind of like, my mind's blown right now,
I'm here in the same guy in the pop station
and the same guy in the classic rock station. I
was going to uh to the gym one day and
I heard who do You Love? On KLOS, which is

(22:11):
classic rock station, So I went into what I did,
and then he came back and I switched the to
um um K one oh one, which is oldies, and
he played who do you Love? Well? What is it? Is?
A class sticker? An oldly what which is it? You know,
I want to look at my playlist here, so I
mean I can sing all these back to you probably
don't want that, but let me start with bad at

(22:32):
the Bone, which everybody this has become, uh a cultural
song from the eighties. I feel like, and when I
think of watching Mary with Children, which I watched all
the time. Every time al Bundy did something that was cool,
this song came on, which meant you got paid al
al Bundy was married with children. Yeah. Actually the song

(22:53):
they used, I think was born to be bad. When
he did that motorcycle thing with different different Yes, they
did that song too, that happened, which made me feel
because Lee Marvin's on my personal guys, you know, so
that was pretty clever. One bourbon, one Scotch, one beer
was and I don't even drink, still don't drink, but
still jam of a song. I'll hear that on classic

(23:15):
rock radio alright. One ginger Ale, one hot chocolate, one
glass of water. I mean Charlie Temple probably. Yeah. The
the thing is really um like a like when people
would get to me and say I drink alone, all
I said, no, I could have said I watched TV alone.
I read alone. Because of the time when you're in

(23:35):
in your life, you are alone. Of all the things
you do. You go to the bathroom alone, you go
to the store alone. So one bourbon, one Scotch, one beer,
we just meant one of something. The thing was the
guy got kicked out of his house. He couldn't pay
the rent, which really happened to us in Boston in
seventy four. So somebody bought the building and doubled up

(23:56):
the the price for staying there doubled it. We couldn't
afford it, so we're out. And that's that's when that
thing started doing mirrors. So Jeff and I are actually
living it with the house frint thing there. So that's
really the just just of the song when you you
talk about, which is a different song. I drink alone,
but when I do an impression of you, which you
probably want to hear, I blow my voice out almost.

(24:18):
I drink alone. Yeah, but nobody. But how do you
keep that? Is that just naturally in your voice or
you gotta push that a bit? Yeah? You do. But um,
when I when I was my voice changed earlier than
most guys do. Most kids, their boys change their voice
changes when they're like fourteen fifteen, he gets lower. Mine

(24:38):
changed when I was about in the fourth grade and
my voice dropped down. So that was, um, something that
was kind of natural to me. So when I heard
singers like halling Wolf, um, Tom waits and I said,
Tom just kinda he growls the lyrics, and I said,
hm hmm. You don't have to have a great voice.

(24:59):
What you have to have as a distinctive voice and
above all a good song that's number one. So yeah,
part of that was natural, and as part of it was,
I'm a helling Wolf fan. I did a lot of
time studying his voice. So, um, you know, we'd go
to parties and people would take me along and say,
we don't like anybody here, let's clear the house. George
do Hackling Wolf. I was looking at how rigorous you

(25:24):
used to tour for a while, like you what you
were a hustler, and I was looking at over the years.
But if I'm gonna dial in on something that I
want people to note was when you did fifty States
and fifty days, but you also did d C. So
basically it was fifty one in fifty days, but that
Hawaii to Alaska track because that's what you did. If
I'm not mistaken here. You did a show in Hawaii,

(25:45):
you flew the next day and did Alaska. How know,
how was that a close call to just get there
to do that show much less be exhausted. Not really.
Our booking agents, Uh spent a lot of time on
an advance. It does something he didn't. Didn't do it
a weekended me. It took months and months of planning
that thing and setting it up just right. So um yeah,

(26:06):
we um. We wanted to do um it didn't work
out there. We wanted to do Delaware first, that's from
because the first state, and we wanted to Hawaii last
because it was the fiftieth state. But routing it didn't
work that way, and said, that's a nice idea, George
would forget it when you think about people from Delaware

(26:27):
because the Destroyers were originally the Delaware Destroyers, if I'm
not mistaken, No, they weren't. They weren't the Delaware Destroyer. Know.
What happened was we were the Destroyers and we uh
we played at a wedding reception and a friend of
mine who I went to high school with was there
and he was very excited about our band. And every
time we we we took a break and people were,
you know, going to get a champagne or he kept

(26:49):
going to the might and going the Delaware Destroyers will
be right back soon, Delawa. And so he kind of
said that, and I just kind of stuck, you know,
I said, you know, I was one time we did
after that, we were doing a gig in uh out
in Boston in the park and and somebody said, what,
who Who's playing that? He said, I don't know, some
band called George Washington and the Delaware River. How about

(27:13):
of Trouble my name? I said, look, zz Top, that's
a great name, you know, sting, great name, you know,
just simplify this thing. I mean, Adam And I've been
going around about that for years, you know. I said,
this is too much stuff, you know, too much stuff
to say, but it gets your attention anyway when you're
doing that tour hitting and it could be any year.

(27:34):
Actually it doesn't have to be the fifty and fifty.
But do you ever just forget where you are? You go,
all right, Minnesota, what's happening? It's like, hey, George, we're
actually in Kansas. Happened to me once and once there's
one time too many, and I went up to the
mike and said, it's great to be here in in Greenville,
North Carolina, and you're in Greensboro, South Carolinas. I get

(27:56):
all those green the Columbus is, the Columbias, and the
Greensboro's and a Green. I get them all mixed up.
And I after I said that, I was like, that's great.
It's gonna be a long night. And that's the only
time you ever did that. Yeah, I never did it again.
That's a pretty good record years plan shows one time, right.
I learned my lesson so plan in clubs early on.

(28:17):
I got to assume that the sound just isn't great,
isn't just a bunch of microphones packed up to a speaker.
We worked at making our sound great. Bones. We worked
real hard at that. We'd go. We were one of
the few bands that would go early. We could travel
with our own p A and uh they were there
were it was good. It was a short p A
system and it was a good one. And we had
the cabins were about this big, and we located them

(28:40):
strategically in the club, like one of them at the
end of the bar and one sitting here, and one
sitting over here, and we turned each of them to
a certain volume, like the one up here would be
a little louder and something. And we miked my amp
at a small amp. So we worked very hard at that.
Only one place we played did did have a p
A system, and it was kind of hard to mess
up our sounds. Three guys, one vocal if you call

(29:02):
it that, okay, so um no, it wasn't uh, you know,
all all clubs or not, but our sound. Then we
were just a small trio, so we were ideal for
those small places, so it fit right in. But we
were very hard at that to make sure. I mean,
you know, we didn't have a record. We weren't doing
top forty, you know. I you know, I I don't.

(29:22):
I don't look like Lauren Batty. I mean, we gotta
be great or you know, you gotta or to leave,
you know. So we worked at every every angle we
could to get the gig and hold onto the gig.
When did you start noticing more people coming to shows?
And why? Were You're just like wow, like we're kind
of catching on here. This is crazy to go to
a place in America I've never been and see people
come and be fans like what had happened in your career?

(29:45):
Where that was it? A little bit radio play? Was it? Well?
That helped? I mean that's what you need. You need
to get on the radio. I mean you either in
FM radio in that time it was there were it
was called album oriented radio. It was an album they played.
But we had a tune that I really was hammering
my head against the wall with our record label at
the time and saying that you know, there are records

(30:06):
sat there for a long time, sitting on the shelf,
like something like eighteen months, and man, you did not
want to know me in those days. And I was saying,
you've got to get this record at you gotta bourbon,
Scotch and beer is a hit. I said, what am
I gonna do with the Almond Brothers cut it? What
am I gonna do with Jay Giles cuts it? We're
not gonna do it. Tom Waits cuts it. I know
it's I see people. I used to play it solo

(30:28):
without a band, and people jumped for it, and they
said something funny. I said, well, what about somebody else records?
They said, we'll just record another song? What songs like that? Tonight?
And still on the radio today. So you know, you know,
I said, well, it's not me. Those songs made me famous.

(30:48):
I didn't make the songs famous. You see what I'm saying.
I mean, I look at people and you'll go you
go up to them and say hi, I'm George, and
I go yeah, and I go Badu of the Bone.
They go, oh yeah. See so most people are like that.
But to be fair, you wrote back to the Bone.
To be fair. You're a sweetheart. To be fair, Okay,

(31:09):
I mean so, I mean you are that That's different
than a song that if you you covered it wonderfully.
That's different to an extent. Yeah, it's very uh, very
close to I I when we first put that thing together, um,
we wanted to give it to Muddy Waters and Muddy
Waters Management. It was not keen on that idea at all.

(31:31):
Then I had an idea to give it to Bau
Diddley and he had didn't have a record label at
the time, and we were nobody knew about the song.
This is all in my mind to do this before
when we got the song done and we were down
in New Orleans. Um, we're on a show that was

(31:51):
stop number forty four on the tour. Are you just
saying that number? Do you really remember that? I do
remember Henry Aaron's number four, of course us. And the
night before we played in a place in Arkansas that
seated a hundred and twenty five people. The next night
we played in place seated eighty thousand people. You're going
one of the other, the juxtaposition as wild to play
for a hundred and eighty thousand exactly, And then we

(32:13):
had to then we had to go on after the
Neville Brothers in New Orleans and go on before the
Rolling Stones. And I had about a hundred and three
degree temperature. But getting back to Bed of the Bone,
I was not on top of my game. And as
I'm getting a golf cart going up to the stage,
and a man comes up to me and he says, George,
I hear you're writing songs. And I went, who have

(32:34):
you been talking to? HS? Never mind? And I go, well,
I'm doing that, and he said, well, the mean we're
gonna be like Bone. You're gonna do all right? And
I said do you mean Bad of the Bone? And
he goes yeah, And I go, how do you know
about that? And he goes, it's my job to know
about it. Hi, I'm David Geffen. Oh come on, no,
I'm not come on. Yeah. We had only done it,

(32:55):
done it in like rehearsals and sound checks. We never
really got there yet, got it in a student you
but somehow he picked up on it. You know, I said, well,
I can't go wrong there. The rise of Bad to
the Bone as it was happening organically, did it feel
like a rocket ship or was it once it actually
was pressed and sent out happened fast or happened slow slow?

(33:15):
Didn't didn't really click right away. It was just it
was another song in the set. They wanted to hear Bourbon,
Scotch and beer, and that's what they wanted to hear,
and moving on over. But that one was in the
show and people are like, yeah, okay. But when rock
classic radio got ahold of it boom, that's when it
took off. It was. It was pretty shocking actually to

(33:37):
be part of that, because we were lucky to Bad
of the Bone got in there on the pretty much
the infancy of classic rock. And you know, the other
tunes that were selecting were things like Rocking Me Baby,
Steve Miller, Jumping Jack, Flash the Stone, stairway to Heaven.
So I was in company that I never dreamed I
would even be close to anything like this. I'll give

(33:58):
you an example. I was again. I was out doing something.
I think I went to the gym or something. I
came home and I turned on classic rock and they
were playing a song Bourbon's Gutch and Beer, and I said, okay,
I'm listening, you know, listen, I said, I'm just gonna
keep it on just to hear what the DJ says,
you know, sitting in my garage and they can't want
to go Well, that was a black a block of

(34:20):
thorough good Hendricks and Clapton. What. I ran into the
house and immediately started practicing my guitar. I said, are
you kidding me? Wait a minute, toward you better start
taking your job a little more serious, because somebody else's
just talking with you and talking about how radio started

(34:40):
playing you. You. You feel like a big transfer in
your career was because of classic rock picking you up
and and in that audience hearing it. Am I hearing that? Right?
Was that again? Like? Did classic rock radio define how
people listen to new you more than anything else? Um?
It was? It was like a step by step a procedure.

(35:00):
We got into like I say, FM a morion, and
then we got in on the bottom of MTV, and
then just as rock Classic radio started, we got in
on that. So we were at the right place at
the right time, with the right song. And then if
things went from there to like the Native American Casinos
which we started working, which was opening up, then um
and we had the right material to fit into those things.

(35:22):
That that was. That wasn't planned because I didn't know
there was gonna be Rock Classic radio. I didn't know
it was gonna be MTV or Native American Casinos hiring us.
It just it just happened that way. So we were
lucky to have the material that that fit into uh
to their format anyway, and classic rock radio, nobody wants
to say, what where do they play on it? Oldies?

(35:44):
Nobody was here oldies. Classic rock sounds better than oldies.
You know, you go up and see you know, if
you go up to the thing and you see somebody like, uh, oh,
I don't know Don Rickles, you don't say he's an oldies.
You know, he's a classic. He's a you know, a
classic performer. And I dug that, you know, called I

(36:05):
hope something. They don't call it old classic rockod let's
put them all together. Yeah, it's still the same music. Okay. See,
here's the thing I've learned about you today. We've only
been known each other a brief time. You don't give
yourself an up credit at anything. You're one of the greatest.
And first of all, you said the songs that you
found made to you. You said at the right place, right,
I haven't heard you one time? Go, Yeah, it's pretty cool.

(36:26):
I got pretty good. People love me? They do? Yeah,
not right, any of them females. You tell me, Well,
I I've been too busy to really check that kind
of thing out bones. You know, I'm like, uh, you know,
I'm laying out sound, I'm doing stuff. Adam's got me working,
Hut's got me working. I don't really have time to
sit back. Oh they love me, you know. I like

(36:47):
after the show's over and you know, give me, give
me on the bus. I gotta go. How about the
How about the operation? Why why the grand ol Opry?
Why not? They said for me? They did. Yeah, see
that's what we do with this act. Only go we
were sent for then they could get me at at me.
When Thirdgod shows up, they go, this guy's too loud
and too obnoxious, And wait a minute, you sent for me,
you send for Thirdgod? You get his habits. What are

(37:10):
you gonna play at the opera Saturday? You know what?
What songs? Because again you have so many and are
you gonna like, how do you decide what you're gonna play?
What venue? Because you don't get thirty minutes the opera?
You know, you get a few songs. Do you know
what you're gonna play? And I was thinking about a
boy named Sue. You're cheating heart? Uh you know El Paso?

(37:30):
I don't. I don't think you're gonna do Marty Robbins,
Johnny Cash. We're gonna do with Johnny Cash? You are?
You have to? Yeah, you gotta do that. And no,
we'll do the Hack Williams thing, moving on Over and
a solo piece on it acoustic slide guitar. I would
venture to say that anyone fifty to thirty, and I'm

(37:51):
in that age group knows you more for Moving On
Over because you popularize it to a level that wasn't
then because they didn't have the they didn't have the
ability to get it all the places that it could
once you did, and you also did it so distinctly right,
I would say more people my age, no, move it

(38:12):
on over from you and have to be taught. It
was Hank senr. So I'm just saying, take credit for
it and act like you wrote it, and then everybody
believe it and be like, yeah, well whatever you know
were it keeps us working, you know, I mean our
I will tell you this and this, this is this
is how the Destroyers operate. Um. When we go into
and sit down and learn a song, or we go

(38:34):
into the studio or whatever, whether we write it or
whatever our m O as you call it or whatever,
we always listen listen to. Is this a song? Our
fans will like? Is this a song they'll go for.
It's like somebody having a restaurant and you have a
menu and you want to keep the customers coming, so
you keep some of the same things on it, and
you can put otherms on. And said, we don't really

(38:55):
to an extent. We record to our taste, but we
we um cord or pick material that we know. I mean,
we we knew I drink alone. We were playing it
not very good, and we went into a guest set
and in a club and say when we play we
played it. We're just learning the song and we weren't
even halfway through it. In the whole audience was singing
it already, so we knew we had tapped into something

(39:17):
that they wanted to hear. And that that's the way
we operate, you know. We can say, oh yeah, I
kind of like that song. It's it's not about whether
we like it, you know, it's gotta be you know,
the people buy the records if they like it. That's
that's what we shoot for, you know. And if I could,
you know, if I could write Bridge over Troubled Water,
I would have done it. But this is this is
the best I can do. Bones. Are you still a

(39:37):
Mets fan? Oh? Yeah, I'm a Cups fan and I
was kind of my whole life before they were good,
So I know what it's like to have just a
sucky team and you love them more the longer they suck,
and when they win, you don't have to jump up
and be like, hey, look at me, because you just
feel that pride inside of you. And I know you've
been I met Were you sad when SHA Stadium went down? No?

(39:59):
This aggress you know, it's um. See, I know I
have some people that were Yankee fans and they're disappointed
every year because they go. The Yankees are expected to win,
the Mets are expected to lose. So if they finished five,
I've had a good year. Do you miss playing ball? No?
None as good as you were, as good as hey. Listen,

(40:21):
you played a high Listen. I played in high school,
played legion ball. I was okay. I wasn't as good
as you were. Who have you been talking to? I see,
I read, I look, I hear stories like I said.
It's my job to know. Oh, thank you? I uh,
I was I look good in a uniform. Let's put

(40:41):
it again, humble, humble, humble. As you're talking about baseball here,
not playing slide guitar. Yeah, it's a very hard game
to play. It's you know, are's many many aspects of
the game, running, throwing, stealing, making double plays, things like that. It's, um,
it's not easy. That's why softball was created, you know,
so cats like me can't cut it with baseball. We
play softball. It stopt all the credits. So old guys

(41:03):
like us get hurt again later and remember why we
didn't play baseball. Every time I play something, I get hurt. Now, yeah,
basketball in the bag, I gotta hurt calf. Well, that's
the way it's gotta her shoulder. Well, if you if
if you if you know Aaron rarely got hurt. He uh,
he had a long career and he never had any injuries.
And they said, Hank, you've done really well over twenty
three years and you're playing big league ball and you

(41:26):
know you've sidestepped injuries. And he said, if you know
how to play, you don't get injured. I guess I've
never known how to play that. How's the how's the
guitar playing going? Um? I was still getting hired. Yeah, yeah,
we're still you know, the the bat line is still hot.
You know, we're we're just talking about that coming in

(41:48):
today and we got some things going on. So obviously
some promoters somewhere in places in the world have not
forgotten about it. So a lot of these things are rescheduled,
you understand, because of Pan Pan Demi. There was we
rescheduled certain things and then at the last minute we
had to pull out again because the pandemic was not
solved yet. So we've been booked for the last beginning

(42:10):
to the last year and a half ago. We just
keep moving them up each year. So I want the better,
get the stick to this thing together because I'm not
getting any younger. Listen, there are only a few people
that I would pay money to go to a show too,
because I don't have to anymore, right I mostly I
can just call somebody and be like, hey, look, but
I will pay. If you were playing in town, I
would pay money and I would go. I mean that.
That's that's the respect that I have for you. Thank you.

(42:32):
I'm the same way I if someone says, well, let's
go see somebody, I go. I gotta get in the car.
I gotta go drive all the way there, go to
the parking, go get to seas, go through this Hut's
gotta make all these arrangements and do these things to
go see it. I go, well, who are you gonna say?
I go McCartney, Tom Jones, the Stones, Neil Young Dylan,

(42:52):
and don't don't don't waste my time on any small
fry because it's expensive and it's tough to get to
these things. You know, and as you get older, it
gets it gets a little harder. Just to get out
of the bed. But if you say I'm getting get
out of the bed and tonight I'm going to see
Paul McCartney, that's a little different. Well, I'm gonna recommend
anybody listening if whenever you get back on the road,
whenever any of my friends get back on the road,

(43:13):
whenever you get back on the road, that if you're
in town, to go watch and take in a show
and take in some rock history, not just you, but
also the music that you bring with you from before you.
I think that's very important because obviously you had your
own songs, you wrote your own songs, but you paid
homage to the songs that got you here as well.
And I think that is so important for people to know.

(43:35):
And I will come and watch. I'm gonna end with
this question for you. When in your career you were
you playing, or you're on a show or something and
you look around and you go, I cannot believe I've
made it this far, Like I'm looking around me right now.
Maybe it's maybe it's a TV show, famous people, Maybe
it's a crowd. When was that moment where you went,
holy crap, I can't believe this guy from Delaware, here
I am every night, come on, come on, you can

(43:58):
bet on that. It was like opening for the Stones. Well,
it was kind of like uh, you know, um, your birthday,
the first day off of school, summer vacation, Hanukkah, Christmas
all rolled into one. It didn't every but every night
like night. You weren't like ho hum, time do another show?

(44:22):
Excuse me? Like when you're opening for them a few times?
Are you ever like it's just another show? Not just
another show? Yeah? Yeah, like people in the World series saying,
oh it's just another game super Bowl, Yeah, another game.
Fair enough. Well, let me encourage you guys to check
out the opera on Saturday night because Georgi will be
playing um when he's touring. Go see him, and also

(44:42):
check out Live in Boston the complete concert. Like that's
where it is, you live, That's where it is. That's
what we do from my ears too, well my mouth
to God's Ears, that's where it is. Well, that's well,
that's kind of where we made our mark, you know,
made our mark with things um and when we did
those things with the Stones, remember, um, you a very

(45:05):
limited time to play, and we didn't have bad to
the bone out yet and Bill Graham kept hiring Is
on a daily basis, like a rookie who gets into
the lineup and does good. And Study hired him the
next day. And it wasn't so much that. I mean,
they're all Rolling Stones fans and Jay Giles fans. And
what Graham was trying to get me said, yeah, but George,

(45:26):
you grab the crowd's attention and you keep it. That's important,
more important right now than having a noticeable song. These
are eighty thousand people and uh and now he put
that into my head. You know, I said, so with
the right material, we could probably sustain this as long
as possible. And that's when we started looking into saying,

(45:48):
get a couple other tunes in there, George. You know, well,
I'm glad you did. Thank you, Yes, there he is.
Thank you for your time. It's rare I get to
talk with the legend likewise. No not no, not like place.
George thorough good, everybody, all right, nice job, all right.
And with Jake Brennan from disgrace Land, which is one

(46:10):
of my favorite podcasts and is you know, just so
good every week. And that's tough, as you know, in
the podcast space when you're you're putting out a lot
of content you're hoping you hit most of the times.
But I guess disgrace line hits for me because I
love music and also love because I know a lot
of artists now and they're not always what they're cracked

(46:30):
up to be publicly. Some are better, to be honest,
There are those even in country music, like a Keith
Urban better than he could even be on a microphone,
or a Lionel Richie who work with an American idol
the Greatest Guy. However, and I won't mention them now
that I don't want to get sued. They're still alive.
There are some real turds out there too, And so
whenever you know, I was, I've listened to probably almost

(46:52):
every episode, but I went and I started looking at
kind of the genesis of why you created the show.
And I want to read you this and tell me
if it's still true, because you wrote rock stars are
more like feral, narcissistic animals and functioning members of society,
and that's what makes them so entertaining. Yeah, I still
believe that after doing all this you still feel yeah, yeah,

(47:12):
But I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. You know.
I think it's kind of like what makes rock stars,
like I said, so interesting and a lot of times,
as you know, musicians artists in general, but musicians they
come from these backgrounds that are incredibly challenging, and that
leads directly to the types of people they are, and
that leads to the type of music and art that
they create. So they go hand in hand. And I

(47:34):
think that for people like us who are sort of
uh involved in the entertainment industry to some respect, uh,
this stuff isn't surprising to us, but for people outside
of music, it's really shocking. I often say it takes
a really messed up person to make really messed up art,
which we like, But it takes the same kind of
person that's making that messed up art. Is the same
person's messed up also in like human activities exactly, and

(47:56):
that's what makes it so relatable, you know what I mean.
And there's degrees of being messed up, and there's you know,
a lot of people. And I launched to the show
thought it was going to be some sort of like
gut you a type of thing where I'm I'm like
coming after these artists and I'm not I'm just telling
these stories that are out there, and I don't want
it to get lost that I have a lot of
empathy for not only the victims, but for the artists

(48:18):
themselves in some cases, who are also victims. They're all
incredibly different and complex, and there's tremendous music at the
center of all this, and we can't lose sight of that.
I'm gonna ask you some difficult, open ended questions because
you've done so much, and I'm just gonna throw some
things out you and if you don't have an answer immediately,
we can come back around to it. But you've done
all of these these artists, some I've never heard of,

(48:40):
but I have now learned a lot about some Obviously
I thought I knew a lot about until then. But
which one of everyone you've covered, did you go? There's
so much worse of a person than I would have
ever imagined after diving into it. Rick James. Rick James
and a real criminal minded dude even before he became
a musician. And you know, he was like running drugs

(49:01):
for the Colombian cartel. He was just he was just
a bad dude in a lot of ways. But you know,
at his core, he just wanted to make great music
and entertain people as well, so that those things go
hand in him. And it's a real dichotomy. And it's
very interesting to hear the episode on Julie Lewis, which
he's from near where I'm from, so I had heard
the stories. But I mean, he married his thirteen year

(49:23):
old cousin, Yeah, you would expect to not get worse
than that. But of course his otherwise a later wife,
she met a demise very early, and that nickname the
killer maybe may have run true in different ways. But
what holds on longest even after because again not a
good dude and was still you know, it was probably
really bruised by Elvis blowing up at the same when

(49:45):
he was in his mind and a lot of other
people's mind that guy. But then it is Elvis and
you know him, and he drove his car over into
Elvis's fit and it was a whole thing. But still
the cousin thing lasts longer in people's minds than that
the other antics that happened later on, which were worse.
It's such a shocking thing. And when it happened to him,

(50:05):
when when he married his cousin and the story broke.
He was neck and neck with Elvis. He was huge.
He was a huge star, much bigger than we knew
him as him as because we're younger and Elvis goes
often to the army, so that the lane is kind
of cleared for Jerry Lee Lewis to really break through
and kind of leave Elvis behind. But then that story
blows up and it doesn't happen. So I think it

(50:27):
was getting away with murder Jerry Lewis getting away with
the murder the title of that episode or something like
something that that effect. Do you think he for sure?
Do you think he got away with murder? I think, um,
there's enough evidence to I'm gonna be careful with my words.
I said, do you do you do you think there
is a reason for there to be a lot of suspicion.

(50:50):
I'm not a journalist, I'm not an investigator at all,
but I think in the public record there's enough information
out there that people can very easily come to the
conclusion that, uh, like I said, the nickname the Killer
maybe a little more realistic than than just a fun nickname.
He came back and country music and had a rather
robust country career, after he was we'll call it canceled,

(51:14):
you know, their version of canceled. After he was canceled
for the cousin, he came out and country music and
had a pretty good career. Yeah, and a lot of ways.
I mean he not only it wasn't like a niche
career either. I mean he he was a household name. Again,
he was huge. I mean there was an NBC special
devoted strictly for him that you know, but his comeback, um,
so yeah, a massive household name also then Bobby. I mean,

(51:35):
you know, like there was no Internet, it was easier
to kind of like leave things in the past. It
was easier to get about things and move on. How
many second acts did we see now? We still see
them even with cancel culture, So it was, um, it
was a lot easier I think for Jerry Lewis to
bounce back and reinvent himself. Another episode that I really
enjoyed was the Johnny Paycheck episode. Oh yeah, yeah, rough, dude, rough,

(51:57):
very hardcore. I was thinking about this a couple of
weeks ago. You know, So the name Johnny Paycheck comes
up and a country music listener or a country music
fan would be like, oh yeah, great, great singer, great songwriter,
you know, hardcore guy outlaw, you know what I mean.
Anyone else the name would come up and you'd be like,
it wasn't a musician. You'd be like, that guy shot

(52:18):
a dude in the head. That would be the claim
to fame. But it's not. For some reason, you know.
It's like when you're a musician, I guess shooting a
guy in the head is not the craziest thing you
can do. Would be known for his story, it's you know,
a bar in Ohio. Is that where that happened. Yeah,
he was going home to see his mom for Christmas,
and he stopped off at a bar um and he

(52:40):
was going to Hawaii, Ohio. I think it was in
Ohio where he stopped off. And he goes into the
bar and he's and he's drinking alone, and these two
locals recognize him as being a local guy and they
start they start to mess with him. They get it,
they get like they basically like making fun of him,
you know, for being the celebrity that he is, you know,
big time and Boston we call it you think you
better than us, like that type of thing, you know,

(53:00):
And uh, he just got ticked off. He pulled his
gun and one of the guy ran. One of the
guy ran away, and he shot him before he get
out the door, and the bullet grazed his head and
the guy lived. But you know, it's pretty bad and
Johnny ended up going to jail for it. You know.
One of the sad parts, that really sad parts of
that episode was at the end he kind of when
he died broken pretty much alone. Yeah, yeah, which is

(53:23):
is sad man. You know, a lot of times we
envy these artists we think they had, these musicians especially,
we think they have these very full, fulfilling lives. Um.
But you know, fame and celebrity can be it can
be super lonely. And I think for some of these
guys who live way off the rails and way outside
the guard rails of society. You know, there was no
one there for Johnny at the end when he died,

(53:43):
despite the pretty amazing massive funeral and party that they
threw for him. Your background, if i'm if, I'm still
you were in a band, are still in a band? Not? No,
no longer in a band. I'll never be in a
band again. So so, but you you have a music background, right, Yeah, yeah,
I was. I've been in bands my whole life. I
came up in the punk and hardcore scene in New England.

(54:03):
UM played in bands. UM made a very modest living
around the margins, and then started the podcast and this
kind of became my life about three years ago. Are
you doing well now? Because I see you everywhere it
seems like, yeah, the podcast has been great. We've we've
you know, we've we've grown this massive audience and it's
led to a lot of opportunity. I was able to

(54:23):
get a book deal and write a book and that's
done very well. And now I'm producing podcasts with other
producers as well as other ones that I host and
executive produced. So it's kind of it's it's become this
little career for me that I never expected to happen.
I mean, you know, ten years ago, I didn't know
what a podcast was, and now here we are. Are
you telling people listening that they can support themselves and

(54:44):
pay bills if they get a successful podcast? I am
definitely telling yeah, yeah it is. It's not some very
grateful man. Very you've moved over to just Amazon now.
This Graceland is available exclusively on UM on Amazon Music
and it's free. You can get it over there. Um,
but we have other shows we're just rolling. Snow Magazine
announced our new franchise today. It's called bad Lands, which

(55:06):
is basically disgrace Land for everything but music. So season
one is called Hollywood Land, so it is what it
sounds like. It's all actors and actresses. This season two
is sports Land that will be available widely everywhere you
can get podcasts for free. I host a number of
other shows as well, The twenty seven Club, which is
available on I Heard Radio app everywhere. Podcasts are available
saying with Dead and Gone, a show I teamed up

(55:26):
with Payne Lindsay from Up and Vanish to do. So
we have a lot going on. Disgrace Land as exclusive
Amazon Music is growing rapidly in the podcast space. There's
you can basically hear all of your favorite podcasts over there.
That twenty seven Club series, how do you think there
was actually something to it or just a wild coincidence?
That wild coincidence, you know, but you know made a
cool lane for me to create a podcast series. Season

(55:48):
three actually launches tomorrow on Janis Joplin of The twenty
seven Club. The Janis Joplin and I haven't heard that one,
but I do know a lot about Jannis Choplin and
that did you know it until she did? Yeah, that's crazy,
that's nuts. I mean, she was a thing people knew
of her, but not as she wasn't a song on
the turn the radio one, you know, somewhere in Florida

(56:09):
and also in Connecticut like that was after she died. Yeah, yeah,
the first album didn't do so great. A lot of
people didn't like that band, they didn't like Big Brother
in the Holding Company. It was until it wasn't until
the band who was on that that later record that
came out after she died, that people really started to
give her the credit that she deserved. I'm a big
nineties fan, obviously because I was born in the eighties,
so the nineties is what I consumed in my growing years,

(56:33):
and so you know some of the stuff in the nineties. Tupac,
you know, I know, there's a whole I listened to
you talking about Tupac and Biggie. Any chance that Tupac
lived past that shooting. No, I'm not even saying he's
alive right now, but any chance he lived past the shooting, well,
he lived for a couple of days before he died.
But he no, no, no way, no way. I mean,
I get why the why the ground has been softened

(56:54):
for this conspiracy theory that he's still alive. I mean,
he talked about his death. He certainly had reason enough
to sort of fake his death. His life arguably could
have been uh less complicated if he kind of like
disappeared and one had a life somewhere else besides, you know,
under the protection of Sugar Knight in the death row
world that he was in. But no, there's there's no
way he's living on an island and belieze or anything

(57:16):
like that. I don't believe it. Him talking about his
death is a bit like Andy Kaufman, where everyone wants
to believe Andy Kaufman is still alive because he always
said he'd full everybody by coming back, you know, ten
thirty years after he died. You know that now that
I would believe? Well, I well, but I don't. You
don't believe any confidence alive, do you. I think any
coffinment is Donald Trump. And I think this this whole,
the whole last eight four years. I mean, wouldn't that

(57:39):
be the greatest if he pulls off the wig, It's
like got you would I believe anything in two thousand anything?
If Biggie's music came out now, and I've said this
for ten years, do you think it would still be
new sounding? That's a really interesting question because nobody, nobody
sounds like Biggie. Nobody sounds like Biggie. He did. He

(58:01):
did that kind of like cool reverse peanut butter and
chocolate thing where he took that that West Coast sound
and put his East Coast thing on it. And I
don't know, I mean, hip hop now just sounds so
different that I have no idea what how it would
be received right now? That's that's an interesting question. What
about Juice World? Uh? What about you? Tell me about
I don't know, tell me about the guy I don't know,

(58:21):
I don't know, I don't know anything. I'm the wrong
guy to ask I we need Are you going to
cover a juice World? Because again, he just died. The
the more modern artists are tricky for a bunch of reasons. Um,
especially when people the story isn't entirely told yet. And
like I said, I'm not a journalist. I'm I'm going
after stories that are out there in the public eye,
that are that are um safe so to speak, that

(58:44):
can be told. Um. And a lot of times you
get away for these stories to completely be finished. I
just did an episode on Little Wayne. It's not out yet,
but it was written and I had to rewrite it
twice because the guy is still active and he's still
out there, and there's still things happening to him. Um.
So you know, possibly on Juice Oro, but it won't
be for a minute. Didn't you do an episode on
what's the guy's named to nacion x x tenas x

(59:07):
x tantassion xxx Tantassion. It's a tough one. You did
an episode on him? I did, Yeah, but a year
and a half after he died. Um, Yeah, that that
story was. I mean there's a brutal guy. I mean,
he was a violent guy. He did a lot of
nasty things. Um. And but that murder was vicious. And
you know, there's a guy who was really young. And

(59:27):
I think we see this a lot. You know, a
lot of people can just they just cannot handle celebrity.
They're not equipped to handle it. And whatever demons they
have and whatever bad behavior they have inside him and whatever,
you know, lack of humanity. They have the spotlight brings
it out, and uh, that's definitely what happened to that dude.
If Kurt Cobain would not have died, do you think

(59:47):
Nirvana would have had the cultural impact lasting cultural impact
that it has, Yes, you do, I do, Yeah, for sure.
I mean they had it at the time. They were huge.
I mean, and they broke that door open, They broke
the damn for every for all the whole grunge thing
that came after Nirvana came first, and it wasn't one
of those things where Nirvana was just like, you know,
they had the right single and they had the right

(01:00:08):
music industry apparatus behind them. I mean, Kurt Kobean obviously
was a true artist. And I don't know that Kurt
Cobain would have would have hung around in Nirvana for
that much longer. I mean, I know they would have
done another record. They were talking to Scott Litt, the producer,
about doing something their next record. Um, but I don't
know if he would have stayed in that band, or
that band would have hung on, or if Dave Grohl
frankly would have wanted to sort of sit behind a

(01:00:29):
drum kid for the next ten years of his life.
Have you ever met Dad girl, I'm not, okay, and
I've been in the room, but never actually had a
conversation with him. He does such a good job at
talking about Nirvana, but I gotta think somewhere he's like,
am I ever going to stop talking about Nirvana? Because
he has created one of the biggest American rock groups
of all time, yet he's still will always be second
fiddle to the band he played drums in. Yeah, I know,

(01:00:51):
it's bizarre, man, and I'm sure he's I'm sure there
are Quanta. There's quantifiable evidence out there that the Food
Fighters are actually more successful than Nirvana in different ways.
So of like Jacob Dylan has like a better selling
album than Bob Dylan does, so just shocking. But I
think Dave Grohl figured out a long time ago how
to play the game so that it's not really playing

(01:01:13):
him and it's all this like magical defense mechanism that
he has. But I'm sure he at the end of
the day, he sits back and he's like, God, damn it,
right he does. He handles it so gracefully. He answers
the questions and then gets onto himself, and you know,
everybody wants to ask him about it. The longer you're
away from it, when you go Cobaine died, the longer

(01:01:35):
went away from it. Like a cooler part of history.
It is that the drummer is sitting next to you,
even though again in the past thirty forty years on
the Mount rushmore American rock groups food Fighters. Yeah, yeah,
it's crazy and they're still still incredibly relevant today, which
is not an easy thing to do. I was in
a record store down in Florida last week and that

(01:01:56):
they're big display was the food Fighter's new record Nice
that just came out, and they're playing their headlining Bondaru. Right. Yeah,
there are crazy If TMZ or a thing back in
the fifties or sixties, right like, who wouldn't have lasted?
I don't know, that's a really interesting question. The thing
the thing we don't you know, when we look back,
we always kind of measured against today's standards, and one

(01:02:19):
of the things we forget is that the music industry
and society were wildly different back then. It was so
much looser, you know, the music industry was like I mean,
you think about from the record executive's perspective, they're doing
everything they can to try and wrangle these you know,
narcissistic feral animals to keep creating music so that they
can keep bringing in the cash, but so that I
don't want to say they were encouraging this. In some

(01:02:41):
cases they were, but there it was free reign and
the industry is being built up at the same time,
like there wasn't this existing apparatus like there is now.
So I mean, there was so much going on. I
think it was way more depraved than we can even
begin to think. You know, the stories we hear, I
think are the tip of the iceberg, and more than

(01:03:01):
the fifties and sixties, seventies and eighties and when the
Van Halens and still the crazy just nuts. Even the
stories they share now in their books and their interviews
probably are just the tip of the iceberg and what
really happened, because they know if they shared at all,
they probably canceled now with even sharing their history exactly.
I mean, I've heard things from people that's you know,

(01:03:22):
not not corroborated at second hand, and it's it's so
far off the mark and and now I mean outside
the outside the bounds, so far outside the bounds of
of society and now and now that I'm I'm doing
this series Hollywood Land. We're looking at uh stories on
actors and actresses in some cases that go back to
the nineteen thirties. And the further back you go, the

(01:03:43):
bigger the stories become, the more crazy they become, because
time has has gone on and these stories are are
able to be more easily shared. And I think we'll
get that the further we get away from those pioneering
days of rock and roll as well. Of all the
country artists that you've researched, who did you feel was
at least like what they portrayed on stage or publicly

(01:04:06):
least like well, you know, it's this is a boring answer,
but it's it's a good one to me, and it's
an honest one. I think Johnny Cash, because he was
he went through so much during his career, you know,
in the in the fifties and sixties, before he settled
down with June Carter. He's just a He's a he's

(01:04:27):
a walking disaster. He's a time bomb. You know. He's
caught smuggling drugs across the border. He's caught for burning
down a protected far forest on government property. All these
things happened to the guy. Um, But at the same
time he goes on and he becomes this real champion
for the underdog and this this empathetic spirit, and you know,

(01:04:47):
I think he's kind of the opposite of the question
you post. He was on stage, who he was off stage?
And all those country guys, I mean, Johnny Paycheck was
the same way. Uh, Graham Parsons the same same exact way,
but in a different way because he was, you know,
a little more soft. But yeah, the country guys kind
of live it a little more authentically. I think the
Chicks formerly known as the Dixie Chicks still, oddly in

(01:05:11):
my opinion, aren't forgiven by a lot of the public,
that is in the country music world, which is weird
because they're talking about the Judge Bush thing. Yes and
and yes, so there they haven't been forgiven for that.
I don't want that. Two thousand Yeah, around that time,
and I was talking about this on the air because

(01:05:32):
the people that's screaming let's cancel, cancel culture are the
ones still holding it against the Dixie Chicks for well
they did. There wasn't a crime, wasn't morally wrong. They
just had an opinion at a time where that opinion
was a bit sensitive. What is your take on why
people can't get over that. I don't understand that at all.

(01:05:54):
I mean maybe people just want to I just want
something to complain about. I mean, people's opinions in real life,
real people's opinions, especially on politics, change all the time.
You know, people don't wear the same team colors their
entire lives. And who knows if they even feel that
way now. I'm sure they don't. I'm sure they've they've
come up. I mean, I don't know if they defended themselves.

(01:06:16):
I don't know much about the Dixie Chicks. But you know,
I think as Americans and fellow humans, we could all
deal with a little more empathy and humility and this
this country be a much better place. I listened to
your podcasts and you can tell you spent a lot
of time writing it recording it. But what what goes
into this? Like you sit down blank screen and go

(01:06:39):
all right, we're gonna go no no, no, no no,
it's um it's I do a week of research at
a minimum, and then I write for I write an
episode in a week, and you know, now we've got
I've got ten guys and ten people working for me
at once where we're constantly the music is being worked on.
It's it's a real process. But my process is right

(01:07:00):
for a week and you know, I I record it
and then it goes uh, you know, I I quote
unquote score it. You know, I'm not a composer, but
I indicate where and what kinds of music I wanted
and where I want it to be. Goes off, the
musicians put it together and uh, it gets mixed, and
then it comes out and it's something that is you know,
it's a it's a big production cycle that is constantly

(01:07:20):
in motion. But what's the production cycle you know, back
when you started episode one versus now where there's I mean,
you've got a real beast on your hands here that
you've got to maintain when you started it by yourself
and you're you know, I can't play the song right now,
I'm just gonna hit it. I imagine you're doing most
of that by yourself at the very beginning. Yeah, I
did everything by myself in the beginning, and the first
episode took six months to put together. Yeah, why six months? Um,

(01:07:45):
I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't have
a process. There's a lot of trial and error. I
had to figure it out, you know. I had to
go through like three different versions of what I thought
the music was going to be. UM. Ultimately, ultimately, everything
I tried doing collaboratively with people, I ultimately ended up
being like, this is working. I'm doing it myself. And
that's the opposite of how I've done everything in my life.
I've been. I've been a very collaborative creative person my

(01:08:05):
whole life, from being in bands, even though I was
the leader of those bands or the singer or songwriter. UM.
But you know, when it came to this, I don't know.
I think instinctively and deep down I was getting older
and I knew this is probably like the last thing
I was going to try and do before I had
to get like a quote unquote real job, and UM,
relying on people didn't seem like a good option. So

(01:08:25):
I just started to just break things off and do
it all myself, all the research, all the writing, all
the music, all the production. Uh. Pretty early on in
that first year or later on in that first year,
I brought in a engineer who's still with me. This
guy Sean ka Halan. He's worked on every single episode
to kind of do some of the nitty gritty work, cleaning,
vocal editing files, all that stuff that takes hours that

(01:08:47):
you know, if you're doing that, you're not researching and writing.
And he was the first one I brought on, and
it was just he and I for about a year.
Then I Heart came into the picture. We uh we
we started working with I Heart. I brought a couple
more folks on to help with music, to help with mixing,
and you know, now I've got a team of I
think we're at We're almost will be at twelve people

(01:09:07):
by the end of this year, of writers, producers, engineers
and congratulations. Think. I mean, that's really cool to see
you turn the beginning when I mean, I listened to
episode of one Thank You, It's like, I can't play
the song, so I'm gonna play a little cassio keyboard here.
It's you know, it's not just dis Graceland now, it's
you know all you've turned it into so many things.

(01:09:27):
And then when I see stories, for example, uh, Pete Davidson,
who's gonna play joy ramone? Yeah, I think, well, do
you think about this. Yeah, I love it. Actually, I
think that's great. I think he's gonna kill it. I'm
rooting for him. You know, he's gonna get killed. I mean,
the Ramones fans are going to be all over him.
But I think he's a New York guy. I think
he'll know how important it is to get that role right,
and I think he'll do a good job. I listened
to the episode on Joey Ramone and I think it

(01:09:49):
was Joey and Johnny. Yes, And what did you learn
about the Ramones that you didn't already know? You know?
I actually met the Ramones and I was ten years old.
My dad's band opened up for them, um, and I remember,
you know, I didn't know who they were. I remember
my dad telling me he brought me because he knew
how important it was, you know, and he was like,

(01:10:10):
you're gonna meet these guys, or you're gonna see these
guys play because you're gonna love them. They're like the
Beach Boys, but they're really loud. You know. All these
years later like, yeah, it's kind of right, and uh,
you know, I don't even really remember meeting them, but
I remember them being around and they were these big, tall,
clad and black mysterious figures. Um, and they kind of
blew my blew my mind. I went back to my

(01:10:31):
neighborhood and started telling everyone I knew about and all
of a sudden, these punk rock kids are like kicking
my ask because I thought I was lying about it.
It's total, total, life changing changing thing. Um. But even
even with that experience and growing up being a fan
of that band, I didn't realize truly how much uh
Johnny Ramona Joy Ramone hated each other and just how
dysfunctional the band was, and how sad of a story

(01:10:53):
it is. It's really sad talk about family hating each other. Oasis, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean they ever I think so. I think they'll
I think they'll get it together. I don't even know
how much of that is. I mean, I know it's true,
but I feel like for each of them, there's a
part of them that knows that it's it's for the cameras,

(01:11:14):
it's for Twitter, it's for whatever. And I think eventually
they're gonna end up back together. Did you do an
episode on Oasis or is one coming soon? Did I
see one of those? I just released a two part
two part of on Oasis these past few weeks. Yeah, okay,
so what what about Oasis? Do you think most people
don't know that? Because I was a I was a

(01:11:35):
big fan when they put out What's the Story for
about three records? And then I just got tired of
the Shenanigans. Yeah, and I stopped and I watched the
documentary and that's about it. You know, I'll go back
and listen and enjoy. You know, some of the stuff
from when I was twelve, those first two records are
still incredible, though. Yeah, they're incredible. Um, I didn't know
just how hard they lived it, you know, I didn't know,

(01:11:57):
especially Liam and uh, you know, of course, you know,
to really look into it as much before I had
to write the episode on him. And the one story
I love that's in that's in there is this is
later in Oasis his career, like I think in the
early two thousand's, Uh, there was some dust up at
a hotel in Germany and uh, Liam gets gets knocked

(01:12:17):
out by the cops and and pulled into the station
and he wakes up and his two front teeth are missing,
and the cops explained to him that, yeah, he fell
when he was passed out on the stairs and they
got bashed in, And of course he's a smart guy
and he's like, well, if they got bashed in, they'd
be bashed in. And they're they're like clean out, you know,
like they're they were like yanked out, like the cops

(01:12:38):
wanted to get back out and they yanked him out
with flyers. That's brutal. That is brutal. And also for
him to think about that right then, because you're right,
I think I was just accept it. Yeah I went
teeth that falling on my face. Yeah yeah, yeah, but
they're just clean out of his head. They were so big,
especially at home. I mean they were the second coming.
They were they were almost Beatles. They were the Beatles

(01:13:00):
and the sex Pistols. That's how I describe them. They
were as far as far as the UK was concerned,
I mean they were they were like they were everything.
They had the attitude and they had the songs. It's
a shame they didn't keep it going. It's a shame
they didn't get we didn't get ten records out of him.
Well in the States to their hits were mostly acoustick
e or feel good bright songs, so we I didn't

(01:13:22):
know how dark they were until I got older and
could actually learn or cared to learn more about them.
They had their hooligans, straight up violent soccer hooligans. It's
the best I think. I saw a picture, you know,
Conan O'Brien, Yeah, yeah, that was wild. I met him
at this thing. Uh, it was funny. I was you
know those things you gotta do for podcasts, You gotta
go out around stage, you gotta talk about it, and

(01:13:43):
there's a bunch of advertisers in the room. And we
were at one of those things and uh, I was
waiting in the lobby to be let in, and I
noticed Conan O'Brien walk in, and uh, he kind of
looks at me, and uh, you know, I look back
at him, and then uh, someone says to me, we're
talking because it they're like, hey, Carlin, Bryan is like
staring at you, like like with evil eyes. I like

(01:14:04):
what I turned around. He's like daggers at me, and
we're both kind of wearing the exact same thing. I
noticed we both have on like Jeane jackets, you know,
pompadoors geene pants. I'm like, he's probably pissed that I'm
like I'm dressed like him, you know. And then I
walk up and he's on Now he's on stage, and
I'm waiting in the hallway and he's coming off stage,
and uh, I see this woman leading him right to me.

(01:14:26):
And he gets close enough and he goes, is this him?
And he points out here and say that. I'm like,
what the hell is going on? And I love coning
and you know, I'm from Boston, so I'm like, you know,
I'm a little freaked out. And he comes up. He's like,
I love your podcast and he tells me that He's like,
you know, I had to go home the other night
and I drove around for an extra hour so I
could finish listening to the Brian Jones episode. And I

(01:14:46):
was like, oh, man, you don't know what that means,
Like that's gonna be He was so cool. He was
so cool and aaronmankey from Laura that he does his
podcast Laura. This guy know, he was standing next to me.
He was he was he was smart enough to be like, hey,
let me get a picture and he got a picture
of the two of us, which is cool. Always good
to have those friends. They can also step in and
make in my case, maybe like a d web, like
when I'm with somebody cool, because I want to be like, hey,

(01:15:07):
may I get a picture with you? Because it's always
then you're not as cool as they are, right exactly.
But but if somebody goes, hey, this would be really
cool for both you guys, let me get that picture.
I'm like, okay, man, I guess then you're on the level. Yes,
then it all stays the same. I wish it was
like the seventies or eighties where everything was candids. You
see those great pictures of like Jack Nicholson at Joan
Didion's house just hanging out having a conversation with Mick Jagger,

(01:15:29):
and you're like, you know, that's the stuff that I
want on my walls, But that's never gonna have. We're
in a different world now, know mine are all me
taking a selfia me with somebody fames behind me, Like
I know they're behind me. You did an episode on
Joe Exotic. Yeah, yeah, that was kind of a joke.
That was right when we hit the pandemic and I
was looking for ways to just stay as connected as
possible with people with the listeners, and I wanted to
do them assault and that was in the middle of

(01:15:51):
that whole thing, and I was like, hey, man, I
do an episode in three days on this thing that
we're all watching right now. Because I heard he was
an actual singer, you know, and then I knew the
story about how he kind of like, you know, he's
singing in that in that series, but he's lips sinking
someone else's songs. Is kind of a Millivanilli thing, So
I was like, I can use that as the kind
of crime. It was all very tongue in cheek, and

(01:16:12):
I put it out. I had friends emailing me, They're like, hey,
you know, he wasn't a real singer, and yeah, I know,
it's a joke. Did you learn anything though about him
that we didn't see on the show, because I, like,
you watched every episode everything he got in this bad
car crash. You know, he was sort of you know,
he was you know, he's growing up in the South
and homosexual and how to keep all that down, and
that contributed to who he became and how he lived

(01:16:33):
his life. But there wasn't much more out there besides
what was in the show. What's the story about disgrace Land?
The name why you name the podcast that? Oh that's uh,
that's Jerry Lee Lewis all the way. I once I
read that, like, you know, in researching that first episode,
I knew I was gonna do the podcast. I knew
I needed a name. I had nobody who was going
to be And I read that the locals in Nesbit
called Jerry Lee's place disgraceland, Uh, you know, in juxtaposition

(01:16:57):
to Elvis's Graceland because they were, you know, two different
people obviously, one dark, one light. So I was like, oh,
that's it, that's my show title. Has anyone from any
of the artist camps or families reached out to and
been pissed about what they heard? No one's been pissed.
I've heard good stuff. I mean I've heard. I've heard
from people's families, um family members. I've heard from cops
who were involved in some of this. Yeah. I heard

(01:17:18):
from a cop who was involved with the the l
A riots when I did the n w A episode.
That meant a lot to me. That was he gave
me some good feedback I heard from I heard from
this dude, remember that show Welcome Back Carter. Of course,
it's the guy who created that show. Was at the
table with John Lennon and Pam Career that dust up
at the Troubadour in l A that was in my

(01:17:38):
John Lennon episode. He got in touch right away. He
was like, you nailed it. That's exactly what happened. I
was like, really, okay, cool the coolest fan of this show. Uh,
coolest of the show. But a similar thing where you're like, day,
it's pretty cool. They listened to this. Um, I don't
know if he's if he would call himself a fan,
but I got to spend some time with Elton John because, Uh,

(01:18:00):
it was brought up to him that I interviewed him
when he was doing this tour for his uh for
rocket Man and the fact that he had already heard
of the show and knew of the show. I'm mutual friend,
had been at his house and played it for him,
played him actually the John Lennon episode. The fact that
he had that awareness of disgrace Land allowed the interview
to happen, which was wild. That's pretty cool. I mean again,
there are only so many living legends. We've had this

(01:18:22):
debate on on this podcast at my radio show where
it's like, who is the living legend? Elton John's definitely
wanted them. We got we got a little Ifian coldplay.
Yeah no, you say no, okay? Um, But my my
greatest Elton John stories. I was sitting at a charity dinner.
I like to tell this story because how often do
you tell a story with you and Elton John? Right
like you said, it was just cool to be able

(01:18:42):
to be in the same room, but we're sitting literally
right beside each other. He they just had their kid,
so he had an iPad and he had pictures baby.
He was showing me pictures of the baby, and it
was like, and he was gonna go up and play. Um.
One of my friends, his professional centers player Andy Roddick,
used to be professional player. But Elton John was playing
his benefit and I was hosting it. And so we're
sitting at this table and showing me pictures and it's

(01:19:02):
being I would say, little flirtatious at the same time,
but it's selling John whatever, let's go. And so we're
having a good time. I can't believe I'm hanging out
with Elton John. We're talking and he goes up and
he plays probably ten songs or so, and he's got
a little prompter he has so many songs he reads
the lyrics, can't chase all behind notes like he used to,
but it's probably sent there. But the whole crowd is

(01:19:24):
loving it. And about the last four songs, he stands
up and acts like he's done. Everybody gives a little
standing go and he sits back down. Does another song. Well,
the final song I think he played Circle Alive for.
I don't know what song it was. It doesn't matter,
but let's just act like a circle alive. So he
ha's circle, walks off stage, guts me my head, kisses
me right on the mouth, and then keeps walking and
and everybody looked at me to see what I was
gonna do. I was like, Yeah, that's a that's a

(01:19:47):
Melton John story. It's amazing. That's amazing. Yes, that's fantastic.
That's so you're expanding like crazy. List me off again
the shows that I gotta go check out now. I
listened to Disgrace Land. What else you got? Twenty seven
Club Season three launches tomorrow with Janice Joplin. We have
two preziest previous seasons on Jim Morrison and Jimmie Hendricks,
and then we've got bad Lands, which is this new

(01:20:09):
franchise delving into Hollywood and sports, but it's basically Disgracefland
just in these other cultural subject matters. And I've got
a show on the Grateful Dead called Dead and Gone
that I do. It's an investigative show that I do
with Paine Lindsay. Was an investigative podcast True Crime bought
all these missing and dead deadheads. Um, what else? What's
happening with that? It's crazy? It's why is it just

(01:20:31):
a culture? And in that culture they're just like the weirdos.
And then that happened to be a few murderers, yes,
dire wolves. It's basically I mean, look, you live that
far off the grid as a deadhead, there's some wild
stuff that's gonna happen. And that's what happened. Uh, I
mean it's it's it's followed the Grateful Dead their whole career.
And what makes it so interesting is that the Grateful

(01:20:52):
Dead is obviously you know, they're not a violent band.
I mean, the whole ethos of the Dead is is
the complete opposite to mayhem and murder. But it's there,
it's embedded into the into the culture in these uh,
in these little sporadic moments and the stories are pretty fascinating. Okay,
I just say, Hollywood, Hollywood Land, Hollywood Land. The launches
May five, and listen, he shows up. He brings me

(01:21:14):
four thirty dollar scratchhops. There you go, like when he
pulls off in a fancy car and four thirty dollar scratchhops,
you know life is pretty good for Jay. That's how
you know. But listen, we met years ago in l
a at the first ever I Heart Podcast Awards, and
I felt guilty because I won the award and didn't
deserve it. And I remember telling you that I don't

(01:21:34):
have to start this award. Your podcast is the best
one here. I don't know about that. No, it's true.
I'm doing great things you even you have inspired me
in a gazillion different ways. You're doing so much, you
are hustling, you have an amazing spirit and a lot
of hope at the core of everything you do. And
I think right now, that's what we need. And I
just want you to know from day one from I,
from when I first got hip to what you were doing,

(01:21:54):
I was like, this guy's the real deal and we
need more people like you. It's inspiring. I appreciate that
and you look just like me. It's like a mirror.
He's in the same glasses, it's the same. Yeah, but
I looked like you first, so that's true. I'm older,
just barely though. So what are you doing in town?
Why are you in Nashville? I had to do some
TV stuff and then um headed to Memphis right now,

(01:22:15):
actually right after this, hop in the car, head to Memphis,
meeting up with with a friend and we're doing some research,
and then I go back to be at my family
in Florida for a couple of days. Is it Elvis research?
I can't say, but yes. Do you think any chance
Elvis lived past the the toilet? Uh? Yes, you do,
not in any real way. But I'm going to play
with that a little bit. I'm gonna mess with that.

(01:22:37):
Any chance the misspelling on his grave was on purpose?
I don't know. That's shocking though, isn't it. Yeah, that's crazy.
How does that not get through? Not catch that? Yeah,
that's nuts. I don't know unless they're just dicking with
them on purpose. The seventies, man, it's wild. Do you
think Elvis at his core was a good person? I
think at his Corey was a good person, for sure.

(01:22:57):
But I also think there's a lot that went on
with Elvis. The olenge is the narrative in the myth
that people think is false. That was pretty wild and
pretty out there, and um, yeah, I think he had
his demons and you know, I mean, dude, he was
the most famous person on the planet for a very
long time and living in this insane bubble and the
pressure of all that, uh is something that we could

(01:23:20):
never realize and I think it came out in violent
ways that that we haven't really heard the full story on. Um,
you know, he was he was obsessed with guns, he
was you know, he he had tricky relationships with women. Obviously,
the food thing, I mean, just nuts. I am a
big fan. I appreciate you coming about you. Guys can
follow disgrace Land pod that's what I follow. Are there

(01:23:42):
other podcasting other accounts you want to, Yeah, you can
follow at disgrace lam pod on Instagram, Twitter, and we're
on Facebook and then of course all the other shows
I do. I do for my production company called Double Elvis.
That's just at Double Elvis. You can find that everywhere
as well. And you can hear Disgraceland on the Amazon
Music app. That's Amazon dot Calm slash disgrace. Big fan

(01:24:02):
of what you do. And if I went on one
of these scratchhops, I'm not going to say it was
one of these scratchops, so you don't claim it. That
would be its own episode. Thirty years later. I had
to get up killing you because you came for money
that I'm like, No, I wasn't it. Uh, Jake, good
to see you, but thanks for having me. Thank I
appreciate it. Thank you,

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