#318 – Mackenzie Porter on Balancing being an Actor and Musician + How her duet with Dustin Lynch “Thinking 'Bout You" Came To Be + She Auditioned for Schitt’s Creek With Dan Levy + Have 3 Back to Back No. 1’s in Canada - Bobbycast

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey guys, welcome to episode three eighteen. We'll talk to
Mackenzie Porter being an actress. She's got a new duet
with Dustin Lynch, doing really well on being a big
star in Canada and then in America musically not being
known as well. It's kind of a weird dynamic there.
We're in Canada's a big star here, people are like, oh,
we're still learning about you. But Mackenzie Porter coming up
in just a little bit next week as far as

(00:24):
we know, still we should have Reba for an hour.
I've never heard Reba for an hour before, so sometimes
things get moved. But I'm just let everybody know next
week should be Reba right here on this podcast. My
Favorite five releases new music this week that's out at
number five. Kane Brown and her This is called Blessed
and Free. I'm already, I'm already number four. Brandy Carlyle

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put out a new album called In These Silent Days.
Here's a new song called it Right on Time was
right at number three this week. Justin Moore has a

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new song called with the Woman You Love This woman
you talk breakers a farmhouse, some painted fried white, With
the Woman You Loved At number two New Country do
a Walker. Country has a song out called Liar Everybody

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Knows I'm a Liar can Love Him? And a number
one Lvi Shane, who you may be familiar with from
this song here called my Boy, He Ain't My Blood,
Ain't Got my Name. He has a new song out

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called My Kind of Trouble sells Dangers, Driving Me my Heart,
and a Cloud The kind of Trouble Luck Dedan Team,
which he played on the radio show this week. They
got They got so good, like who knew? I feared

(02:24):
He's good because you don't really get a deal and
you gotta be good to get to this point. But man,
just so good. So those are the five I'm really
looking forward to this week. Dustin Lynch has a new
song called hunting Land. Blake Shelton has come back as
a country boy. Brandon Leigh has back Home the Pistol Land.
He's are putting out a Christmas song called snow Globe,
So there you go. Quick news. Dolly Parton's TikTok account

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was fake. She didn't join. They took like an old
video off here talking about the Imagination Library. Right, yeah,
I saw that I got tricked to. You did I
thought it was her. Garth Brooks, Trusia year Wood, and
more added to the five thousand broadcast of The Grand
Old Lopry. It's gonna be really cool so far, Terry Clark,
the Gatlin Brothers, Chris Janson, Jenny Seeley, Garth Brooks, Tricia,
Dustin Lynch, Darius Rucker. It's it's pretty cool. Um, let's

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see what else. Zach Brown Band pauses the comeback tour
after Zach test positive for COVID. We're supposed to have
him on the radio show, and he was like, I
got a family emergency. Turns out he got COVID. That
was I mean, I think that was the day, because
we're gonna do a whole big thing with him, whether
we're gonna play and stuff. A tape for an tape
having an unreleased John Lennon song sold for fifty eight
thousand bucks. No word of the song was any good

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or not. And then finally, Joey Ramons guitar that he
played on all fifteen Ramons albums and over two thousand
live performances sold for nine dollars. That's awesome. That is substantial,
but it is such an integral part of the Ramons
if he played on every record and all those shows,
and how do you keep that guitar? I mean, for
his reckless as they were, I'm surprised he kept the

(03:56):
same guitar and was able to Yeah, all right, that's
what's up. Interview the McKenzie Porter coming up in a second.
All right, we're here with McKenzie Porter, which we met
a couple of times. You put them on because we'll
play some music too. We've met a couple of times,
maybe one time one time and then I like, not
in a creepy way, but we go to the same

(04:17):
spin studio, so we you spin, but like that's not
the place where you're like and you know your your
friends with their studio. We spun in the same class,
and were you amazed at how great of a spinner
around am? I think I'm always like after you were
before you um so either like I see you drenched

(04:38):
or you see me drenched in sweat, I'm also terrible
you are. Yeah, something I try. But see the difference
for me is not like going to that class. I
need the motivations and the right teacher makes the spin
class because I'm I'm only gonna go as strong as
I'm being motivated, unless like I'm on the peloton because
I have one of those where I've got numbers in

(04:59):
front of me, and I can chase those numbers and
I can chase those paths. But if I have a
good teacher and spending class, I think I actually do
better than I do on the peloton. And Kenzie is
the best is great, She's so good. But do you
ever like, are you like able to get on beat
with everything? I don't know. No, probably not. I mean
I try to if it's fast. Here's the thing, I'm
gonna be honest. I like the class, but I can't

(05:20):
keep up with the dancing. Sometimes there's a lot of
choreography that I call it choreography because I don't go
enough to know. Okay, guys, you know what you got
three two, left, right, elbow Nie, but but and I
was like, I don't know what's happening. So then I
just said, I'm just screwing. I'm kind of petals harder
they can. That's that's the way to go. I do
I do forel like the first two songs, and then
my legs are like absolutely not. How often do you
go to spin class? Um? It really depends, like if

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I'm in town, like I'm going tomorrow. Um, so I'll
try to go like three times a week if I'm
in town. Yeah, and then I hit shed in between.
You wouldn't be able to tell because I'm like a
little weak thing. But I try to work out a lot.
It was weird going to spin class when we had
to wear masks. See I never win then. But um,
the first time I came back after, I was like,
this is not good because everyone's just like breathing. It's

(06:03):
so much. Yeah, I mean it was the worst part
about the pandemic. I'm just kidding. Are you going to
use that quote and be like he said, Oh, you
trust me, they will. It happens all the time. So
you're on the road a lot. Now, I'm on the
road a lot. Now some out. Jordan Davis um the
coolest human ever. So chill. He's fine. He's actually I've
met better. You've met better. He's actually a good friend

(06:25):
of mine. So and and he is a good dude.
And I'll tell you my one Jordan day of a
story that I get to tell quite often frequently. Um,
I had Jordan now opening for me. He was my
middle act I would have. I would do stand up.
We're playing theaters, and Jordan's would did middle and had
a baby opener, and so it was only for a
few shows. And I was like, hey, Jordan, our first
shows in Kentucky and he drove drove over the easy

(06:47):
Drive from here because I don't know where we were,
maybe Lexington. And he walks out and I was like, hey, okay,
I'll see you after your set because I need someone
who's going to kind of lift people because I'm doing jokes.
I've made the mistake of putting like I had to kneel.
Town's out with me, and she is so freaking good,
but she made everybody cry, and so I have to
go out and tell jokes and dig out of a
hole because everybody so emotionally whooped from her. Just but Jordan,

(07:09):
I was like, this is the guy. He's gonna go
out to his half hour. Everybody's gonna be up feeling good,
got some good, upbeat songs. And he walks out and
he plays two songs and walks off stage. It's like,
oh man, thanks, so what do you mean what's happening here?
He goes, I did my two songs. I was like,
what do you mean two songs supped minutes? It's like, oh,
so I had to like rush to get dressed. So

(07:30):
what I made him do it was just misunderstanding and
I wasn't ready. I had half an hour supposed to
go out, and so I go out and I started
doing my jokes and I say, okay, well, you're gonna
come to your other fifteen in the middle of my set.
So I did the first part of my set, then
he came out and then did the middle And I
tell that story as much as possible, just to humiliate
him because he deserves it. Basically, songs that like that
would stress me out to feel like well, he was
like thank you, and the crowd started of cheering, and

(07:51):
I was like, it's the guy doing an encore in
the middle of like the middle set. But good guy, huh,
such a good guy. Like I kind of want him
to like build me a fire and like chopston Wood
just because he has lumberjack vibes. He's got like such
lumberjack vibes in the best way. So you're out playing
those shows, how often are you guys on the road?
We're doing it, um basically every weekend. We were out

(08:11):
last weekend. I think this weekend we have off and
then out again. So who's on that? Just YouTube me
four and then Jordans. Those guys are really good, so
like surprisingly and I definitely want to talk about you.
But I had those guys in my studio once because
we were accusing them of stealing our look Eddie and
myself because we have a comedy duo called The Raging Idiots,

(08:33):
and um Eddie wears the hat and I obviously can't see,
and I have the glasses. We were like, all right,
all right, kids, that's look. That is true. So we
brought him in. We competed with them, and we won.
You should take like a percentage, Well we said we
would take their glasses in their hat, but then we
felt bad for them. And but there's when they started singing,
I was like, oh, you're way better than I thought

(08:53):
you would be. They're really good and there and they're
very nice. I brought him out on the road through
a couple of festivals this year. It was Us and
Russell Dickerson and Maddie and Tay and s Fourth and
they came and opened and they're they're just they're so
good live and They're good people and really funny accents.
I love their accents. You don't expect it, Yeah, I
love their accents. They were like a good that's a
good like hype up band. Like I feel like their

(09:14):
energy is like if you're playing or if you're doing
comedy after um, they can make more than two songs.
You know who else is a good hype up person?
So what do you play? You hop out on stage?
I know you from the American version of you, which
is a couple of things. I've played some of your

(09:34):
music on the Women of by Our Country, You're Welcome
and then the song with Destin. But what's weird? And
I'll compare this to one of my friends who was
a professional tennis player. He would say in the States
he's well known, but he would go to Europe and
he was king dangling. Like people would be like, oh
my god, because tennis there was so massive. Where you
have you were like the most played country artist in

(09:56):
Canada and one of the top five all genre aretists.
Like if you go back home, is it actually a
thing where you're like, well, I'm kind of famous again.
It's like a nice I feel like it's a good
bounce because here I get like very grounded, and then
when I go home like, oh, I'm actually kind of cool,
and then I come back here I'm like, Nope, not cool.
That's awesome that you can do that. Yeah, So I mean,

(10:18):
obviously my big goal is UM in the US, because
whatever here I feel like just translates UM. But you
know that's a longer road. I want to play a
few clips here. Let's play a little bit of Unholy Me. Mike.
We featured a last weekend on the Women of My
Heart Country and then the song with Dustin is at

(10:56):
number eighteen now and it's moving, moving, Yeah, thinking about
you with dust then and mckensey porter, we'll just get
being made out of the brain. Where we went all
this stuff traveling, where's the coolest place? You guys have

(11:24):
been able to do that together? So are very both
of Our very first show back was UM they Dustin
hosted like a Vegas thing in a situation in Vegas UM,
which was like so rowdy and so fun UM. So
that was pretty cool to play. Whenever you guys came
into the studio that that was the first time that
we had met. And it's always a weird dynamic for

(11:44):
me to have Dustin. I'll just use Dustin as an example.
Artist A with new artists. We'll call it artists B
because Dustin's there. Because Dustin's there, and I'm interviewing Dustin,
and but there's also someone with him, and i'd like
to spend a little time with them. And this is
not just you that happen. It happens anytime the situation happened,
and I like, would like I would have talked to

(12:06):
you more, but then I don't want Dustin to be
over there, like, hey, bro, yeah, like we're here because
of me. And so I remember you guys coming in,
and I did talk to you quite a bit. Yeah,
and hopefully every I thought that was cool, and you
felt I thought it was really cool. You felt like involved,
And you know, I struggle with that, making sure that
everybody feels like they're you know, they have a place
at the table. But Dustin's version of the story, and

(12:27):
I'm sure yours is going to be similar. But i'd
like to hear from your perspective, is that he blindly
heard your audition, your tape. I don't know what you
call it, you the vocal that you laid down for
that that he was just listening to them and heard
you and said hey, I like her, and it went
from there. It wasn't It wasn't more than that. So
on your side, who calls you and says record and

(12:49):
can you not go hey Dustin, it's really me, Like
from your side, tell me the story. Well, I didn't
know Dustin, so I didn't really have a way to
like reach out to him and be like not even
like Instagram or Twitter, be like, I mean, I followed him,
but he didn't follow me. So um, basically how it
happened was my manager just told me that, hey, he's
auditioning all these different girls because the Lauren Lena version
timing didn't work out with them. So he's like, you

(13:12):
want to lay down a vocal? Yeah, of course I'd
like to lay down a vocal. So I went into
the studio with my producer, Joey Moy and we laid
down which I thought was a pretty great vocal um
and then just sent it away And it was like
three weeks nothing when you laid down the vocal and
that wasn't over the track. Did they send you the
track or like the stems to make your version of it? Yeah?
They sent me the demo version, which was just I'm

(13:33):
not actually sure who was listening the girl version of that,
and then I could listen to Lauren's Lauren's version online.
But then they just sent me just yeah, the track
and it's like an instrumental version, got it exactly, and
you know, it was like a fine line of I
didn't want it to be too close because then it's
like I'm copying, but I also didn't want to be
too far because then it's you know, it doesn't sound

(13:53):
like the same song, or it just sounds like I
just went for a totally different vocal um. But I
feel like we kind of threaded that line pretty nicely.
And then again, didn't hear anything. I'm like, okay, you
know those there's so many opportunities in um this industry,
and I'm in the film industry too, like that just
come and go and you never hear anything. So probably
three weeks later, um, I get a little follow on
Instagram from Dustin. I'm like, oh, that had to be

(14:17):
either two things about to happen when you're married to right,
things about to happen something shady. Yeah, but knowing like
I mean, I had heard a lot about Dustin and
he's not shady at all. Um. So I was like,
I think this means something really good. And then like
a week after that, for real, the first thing you
saw him follow you, it's just nobody's listening to me.
And you're right. I have I screenshot at it, send

(14:40):
it to my manager. I'm like, I'm doing this song.
He's like, no, you're not calmed down, your psycho, You're
not like not, that doesn't mean anything. I'm like, yes
it does. Why would you follow me? And um? But
then I didn't hear anything. And then um, a week later,
I get like a random number calling my phone, but
I just sent it to voicemail because we all did that,
a card warrant and yeah, like insurance for something. Um,

(15:02):
and he left a voicemail. And it's funny because I
was doing another InTru and I just found the voicemail
and I'm gonna keep it, like if the song ever,
you know, well, it already kind of doing whatever the
little hand thing you just did, and I think it's got,
you know, quite a bit of you know potential. I
think it's got a good good momentum as well. Um.
So he says, yes, I just think you're What you
tell yourself is so different than what I would have

(15:23):
told myself, because I from that story, I draw that
you are a positive person sometimes, so I came I'm
either like so positive or like just like down in
the dumps. I'm never positive about myself. Yeah, if that
would have happened to me, I would have said, oh, man,
he was looking at people and he accidentally hit follow
on mine of all the people he was because he's
looking through and that that's what I would have told myself.

(15:45):
Really like even like, yeah, that's what I would because
when you were telling that, I was like, hey, good
for her. She immediately saw what positively could come from this.
And I would have been like, oh crap, he doesn't
even know he followed me. Now he's gonna have to
unfollow me, and that's gonna be awkward because if I
ever actually do meet him, I'm gonna know he's gonna know. See.
That's why that's why I don't do what you like.

(16:05):
My mind is like if he accidentally or if he
accidentally followed you, he'd quickly hit it and I wouldn't
even see it unless he doesn't realize until you post. Now,
I don't make an understand. There's no reason to be.
Let me play some of this sucks now before I do.
With Virginia to Vegas. What's Virginia to Vegas? So, okay,

(16:25):
he's one guy. He's that's his artist name, got it um?
But he it was originally UM a duo and his
his duo partner was from Vegas. He was originally from
Virginia and they met in Toronto. So the two is
like TiO, like Toronto Virginia, Oh TiO, but you save

(16:46):
Virginia to Vegas and then you are you. You're on
this song as well. Okay, let me hear this. I
can't even that's cool. That's really cool. Yeah, was like
going to tell you there's an F bomb coming, just
doesn't it's not live. That's really cool. How did you

(17:10):
get that one? Um? Kind of same thing. He had
heard my song so in Canada. I obviously I'm a
country artist, but one of my songs last year went
to pop radio too because I got so big a country.
Yeah that's cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. And so I
think it's like I think about like number five or
something on pop. So he had heard it and he

(17:30):
just reached out to the label and said, would you
want to do something with me? Which one which? Oh
these days? Oh here it is I think Pocas. So

(17:51):
you've got three back to backs in Canada. I just
want to go through your Canadian life before we get
to your American life. I'm just so intrigued by all
of this, just at you know, kind of the dichotomy
of you're here you can probably go to the grocery
store and not really worry about anybody, but back home
you could probably have to worry about people being like, hey,
let me get a picture, not worry, but I'm knowing

(18:13):
COVID I worry, right. Yeah, it's a it's a different now,
but that's that's that to me is just fascinating. Here
is about you number one, like saying, was this your
first chart success of any song? Um no, before I

(18:36):
signed to Big Loud. Here I put like an independent
record out and I put it. I think there's like
three singles off that that. I mean they I mean
they didn't do like amazing, but like eleven and oh really,
so you did actually have something going for you. That's
how I got my record. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Here
is seeing other people that's a good one. I mean,

(19:16):
obviously there all good. I like that one. Yeah, yeah,
I like that one the most. That one's not though,
it's not on the EP. Huh, no it is, it is?
Ye let me let me look at this. Oh it is.
And it's highlighted at the very top. Yes, it's actually
highlighted green, extremely bold. You have seven songs on the EP,
drinking Songs. It was put out late last year. Yeah.

(19:37):
And so the single now though, is Unholy Me un
Lonely But wait, yeah, this says look just so you
see this, I mean probably that's probably what it should be.
If you read over there, he's fired and he had
nothing to do with it. He actually runs cameras. What
does that mean? Not holy? I guess. So let me
play un Lonely Me again? Like we should rewrite it, probably,

(20:02):
you know, no, I hear it all different now, um, okay,
so that's the new single. Only mean it sounds like
almost like a dirty song. Then kind of you thought
I didn't go there in my mind, did you? Like?
I mean I kind of did. Really. I thought it
was like someone who could like do better for themselves
spiritually and like they're chasing the dream of being well
unholding me though, it sounds like maybe you got you

(20:24):
got dirty mind and a gutter to a guy like me. Um,
So when did you move to Nashville full time? I
moved in, Um, you've been in for a while. Then
I actually lived down the street. Do you know. Do
you know Caroline don Johnson? She was like a country
singer back in the day. She related to Don Johnson,
the actor. I don't think so, okay, yeah, um, but

(20:45):
she had a poolhouse and I stayed there and just
try to write with whoever I could write with. Why
did you move to Nashville just to be a country singer?
Like that was the go because it feels like you
have this list of talents and you could have pursued
it in a direction. Why country music was that big
where you were from. I grew up on like a
cattle and biser ranch. So my dad's a rancher and

(21:07):
that's all I mean, in the middle of nowhere, Like
literally the next town to where our ranch was was
three thousand people. So just boonies, Um, and that's all
that we listened to. Your dad, my whole family. Did
anyone in your family play music at all? Yeah? So
my dad played in a band, my brother um one

(21:27):
Canadian idol, my sisters in a band. My grandma is
like a wicked piano player. My cousins and I had
a band like just like very musical, yeah, but kind
of like annoying where it was like always doing shows
and trying to get people to come to our shows.
And was it expected that you would be musical? I
think so. I mean I started playing violin when I
was four, and piano, and I think my mom's like,
why weren't you a doctor? I'm like, because you've literally

(21:49):
put me in all these lessons at four years old.
How many brothers and sisters like one brother, one sister,
sister old or younger, they're both older both and the
brother one Canadian idol. The sister, she mused, are gol
though she's really still yeah, she is more like local,
like she does a bunch of weddings and that kind
of stuff. And then Kaitlin, my older brother um one,
toured it, did the whole thing, and then he decided

(22:11):
he hated it and went to school. So he's not
in music anymore. No, he's a colder in Silicon Valley,
very different. He was just he honestly, his that whole
experience for him was um, pretty brutal, like winning a
show like that and then getting stuck in the contract
like that, and he just doesn't have the personality for it.
He just hated the attention and hated the lifestyle of it.

(22:40):
Who are the judges on Canadian Idol because now I
second think about it, Yeah, God, because I've been on
idol for four seasons here in the States, but they
show us in Canada now, where I don't even know
if they have Canadian Idol. They don't. And I think
the deals now, like this was back in I was fourteen,
This isn't a long time ago. Um, so I feel
like the deals now are totally different. Contracts are totally
you still owe them a bit, but it's not like

(23:02):
it used to be, right, you know, like tied in
for like twenty years. Um, the judges, oh my gosh,
I don't even know. I can't remember, but it would
be like Atlantis and one of the bar naked ladies.
And so he just's like, four, did you ever do
any of those? No? You never tried out? Was it
because of his experience? You're like, it's not for me?

(23:24):
I think so I just feel like I saw behind
the curtain in that specific situation. I don't know if
it's you know, I think it's different. But even American.
You didn't try any American versions. I don't think I
could because I'm not American. I'm like, it's not can
you of course you can. We have people all the
time from other countries on there. It's not like running
for president. They can reality and we up. If you

(23:47):
can sing and make appelling TV, we don't give a credit.
I literally couldn't even like get t s a pre
check until I got my like citizenship. Like I was like,
I can't do anything, So I thought, good to show
are you know you cannot be on the voice You
so you're a citizen because you're married to an American? Yeah,
I'm like a green card holder. Okay, so I have
to be married to him for another two years. And
then obvious citizenship, did you do the thing where you

(24:10):
had to go in different rooms and they ask you questions?
We didn't, but we went in together and they asked
like the most bizarre questions like is your dad and
the mob. I'm like, I don't think so. But there
was like so many that I wanted to make jokes about,
but I don't think that's the place to joke. Mike.
Do you got put into Canadian Airport? Pierson Airport in
the country, we were going Canadian Airport? Person is probably

(24:33):
like we were going. We were in Toronto because my
radio show is now we're on in the morning in
some places, but we're on at night all over Canada.
And so we went up and I was speaking to
a lot of Canadian broadcasters and people who run stations
and companies, and on the way there, on the way back,

(24:55):
trying to get back. On the way back, his name
matches with some like serial killer or something. Somebody they
were looking for had my exact same name to like, hey,
we gotta take you questions, not me, and they held
him and I was like, we're trying to get back
into the States, and I had to decide, am I
going to hang back and be loyal to my guard?
Am I gonna get on the plane? I'll pack it
on the plane. But luckily he got to come in
on the Luckily they let him out justin just made

(25:16):
the flight. Are you so scared? Yeah? I thought I
was gonna get a second Canada. What was it so bad.
It was nice. They're gonna be fine. It's just cold. Yeah,
that's my only beef with Canada. It's so cool. It's
just hate it. Not the nicest people, so nice where
I think that. I was standing out a corner into
in Toronto and I was looking to find this restaurant.

(25:38):
We were going to some fancy restaurant and I'm scrolling
and like, that's not it, looking for directions and someone
comes up to me and they came up to me
so aggressively. I thought they were about to rob me,
but they were like can we're Can I help you
get to And I was like are you serious? And
they were like yeah, it's right over here, and then
they took your wallet. We went. We went to a restaurant.
I wish I knew what it was called, but it's

(25:58):
supposed you know, what's sort of food, what's private, right,
and you can only go in if it's like Soho
house or something. I don't know, Okay, I'm surprised they
let us in. We went in and you know who
was there as the Daniel Levy's sitting who's Canadian and
he's sitting like two tables over and I take my
phone out and I'm not too cool to take a
picture of something, but not with but if I'm in

(26:19):
the creeper, So I pulled my phone out and I'm
like sneaking it. And you can always tell on someone.
I can tell people are sneaking pictures of me. So
I was like sneaking it, and someone came over said,
no phones in here. I guarantee you as a Soho
house and they don't let phones, and so do you
find it? I think that's what it was. Well, I
didn't pay the bill and I did almost get kicked
out for taking a picture of Daniel. What's funny is
I auditioned for Ship's Creek and did callbacks with him

(26:44):
in the room, and he's like, so funny. I didn't
get it. Should have got it, but I mean the
girl who got it was way better. But which role?
The sister? Yeah? I love the show. Do you like
the show? Yeah? I seen every episode so and I
watched it on pop TV before it became like it
was like a slow following kind of yeah. I mean
I remember when it was. It was just a Canadian

(27:05):
comedy with the dad from American Pie and I stumbled
on it and it was on the Pop TV channel
and so I would watch it. Um. Since then, it's
blown up, but it's one of the literally the biggest
shows in the past, you know, ten years or so.
But you did you got a call back on that,
meaning you went an audition for just a producer. So
I went, I did the initial edition and then they
called me back and it was me and him in

(27:26):
the room, him reading, me reading the sister part um
and producers and so how do they did? They call
and tell you know, you don't get this. It just
goes over here. That's what happens. Like I pitched so
many TV shows. I have a deal with BBC and
we do shows and I have and they act like
they love it. Did They act like they loved you
in the audition, like you're just so good, and they're

(27:47):
like this is the greatest show idea, like we we're
gonna go right now to Peacock, We're gonna go to
Amazon's gonna love it. And then just like three months later,
I'm like what happened. We're like, oh, nothing, I'm sorry
you didn't get it. You know what. That's probably why
you maybe like jumped to the Morning Negative because in
those situations like in an audition room, I do too,
because it's just you here, like you're you're it, you're
the girl, and then just crickets. Most of my career

(28:09):
is being told no, which people don't see that because
they only cr yes. Is because that is what is visible,
you know. And we also don't go online and go
look at everything that I just didn't get picked for.
I think it's generally a culture thing too, but you know,
it's a whole lot of knows, especially in my TV
world and radio. Now I've gotten to the level at
this point where there aren't many knows because it's that's

(28:31):
that success is there in the TV world. It's knows
for me constantly, which I'm assuming as an actress that's
what it is for you. Yeah, I mean it's like yeah,
point nine. The thing is is, like I try to
think of it as that is the job. Auditioning is
the job, and then you if you get picked, that's
just like the most amazing like icing on top. But

(28:55):
like what your job is every day is to go
into the room and audition and not get picked. Did
you ever move to l A and and try to
live and be why? I tell artists. A lot of
times they have to live here is because you have
to be available because they may call and go, hey,
we need you for this thing, and if you're a
new artist, you need to be at that thing, or
if you're a songwriter. And in Los Angeles, same thing
where people would tell me to, hey, you need to

(29:15):
move out here if you're getting I'm not going to
because you want to, like do would you want to
do like a TV series? I don't want to. I
don't want to act. I did like five four episodes
in Nashville and it was fine, But I'm not an actor.
I could see you acting, but I'm not an actor.
I'm a comedian. I do radio. I'm a comedian, I
do a right books. I'm not an actor. So no,

(29:36):
I wouldn't move out there for that. But you moved
out there because of the same thing, like you wanted
to be around where there were auditions. I moved out
there so at the beginning went for like what was
called pilot season. They don't really do that so much anymore,
but like especially now because of COVID. But I moved
into a house with five actresses, five girls, and I
remember being like, this is going to be a disaster

(29:57):
because we're all similar looking and probably read for the
same characters. And UM, it was the best time of
my life. We all are so tight. We had the
best time. There was one part were all auditioned for
UM and I ended up booking it, so moved there
for two months and then had to go and film
the show that I booked. But they were cool with it.

(30:19):
Supportive group, super supportive. Yeah, and to this day some
of my best friends. That's pretty cool. I wouldn't expect that.
I didn't expect it either. I remember having the conversation
with my dad being like, this is gonna be so competitive,
and but it wasn't. They're just awesome, awesome girls. When
you came through with you were with Dustin Amy, my
co host, my friend, she just kept looking at you
weird and I was like what. She goes, I don't know,

(30:42):
I can't, like I've met her somewhere, and I was like,
I don't. I don't think you met her because there
have been instances where people have come in and we've
literally met them as they were valeting the car or
at the grocery store, and now they're artists and they're
like we met you and he was like, I can't
picture it, and then she goes, you're on that show
Tylers Travelers. Yeah that should still go. No, we got canceled,

(31:03):
but after a couple of three seasons. Yeah, but um,
it's like a time travel show. I got to play
this like super super badass girl, like martial artist doctor. Um,
I gotta do a bunch of cool stuff on that show.
Lots of fight scenes. That's why I'm so ripped. I
don't know if you're ripped or not. I can't tell you.

(31:23):
I don't imagine if I just like pull this up
and just like either way, I think it would be expected.
I mean a lot of country music stars are like
crazy good athletes too. Girl, I can't throw a ball.
I can't know where were you on the call sheet
of Travelers. That's huge. Yeah. So Eric McCormick was one

(31:43):
from Will and Grace. Yeah, and what was he? Like?
So so sweet? Him and his wife Janet are like
the most amazing people we went to. They had a party,
an Emmy party that him and oh god, who's hosting it?
I forget um Like he's a massive singer, celebrity John.

(32:06):
She's like I don't know, he's like some he's a
huge religious guy at Jesus. So we did this show
and Eric and Janitor like very hippy and at the
end of it, he's very hippy, just like yeah, just yeah.
And we did this thing where we wrote down wishes
on a piece of paper and like burnt them on fire.
But then you have to catch it in the air

(32:28):
on fire then the wish would come true. And we
were like, okay, let's do it. And Janet was so
serious about it, like she would barrel down a table
to catch your wish so it would come true. And
I'm like, you guys are so awesome and huge karaoke people,
so we do that. It's wild to think of the
guy from Will and Grace who lived in New York City,
in my mind is like a you know, like a

(32:49):
natural dude, like a man of the earth. Yeah, and
if you like, in his most natural state, he is
doing karaoke. That's his favorite thing on earth to do.
Can he sing? Great singer? Do you ever have you
watched Ted Lasso at all? Okay, Well, there's a character
who's the owner of the soccer team who you just
don't expect and she she's like the greatest singer ever,

(33:09):
just out to know where she's singing karaoke and one
of the scenes you talking about Mike, and then all
of a sudden you realize she is just a fantastic singer.
Did you ever get to sing on that show? At always?
There ever a spot where they were There wasn't UM
I wanted for that show. My character is just it's
a it's a drama. I just kind of wanted to
keep it separate. Just sometimes I feel like maybe that

(33:31):
would have gotten like cheesy or something if I tried
to introduce that, So I just wanted to keep it separate.
Would they allow you to have any sort of um
influence on the writing or could you at times improval
line like Okay, let's just see where this goes? Um?
Not too much. It was so sci fi and my
character was a doctor, so like I wouldn't want to
improvise a doctor doing surgery because every all my lines

(33:54):
have to be like, Okay, this line of fifteen words,
I don't know eight of them, so I'd have to
look them up and I wouldn't be a very good
improper in that. That's that's interesting. I had to get
a cd L, which is a truck driver's license for
my show Breaking Bobby Bones, because I had to go
and drive a freaking eighteen wheeler, like literally on the
streets with other people where I could have killed them.

(34:16):
But I had to get that license. And I've never
been in an eighteen wheeler before never, I've never been
in it, much less should I have a license. But
I had to learn the book, so I just had
to learn words in order. It was like I was
memorizing the script of things. I had no idea what
so I could go and pass the test. Did you
pass it first time? I passed. There were three parts,

(34:37):
and I passed the first, passed the first part the
first time. But when I went in, the guy goes,
why are you taking all three parts at the same time.
I said, because my show says I've got three weeks
to get this license. And he's like, this is the
dumbest thing I ever heard, that you're not gonna pass
all three parts. He said, you take one test, then
you come back a month later, take another than a
month to take another. And so I went and I

(34:57):
passed the first part, and then I went back again
and passed second time. But that's when you say that.
That's what it reminds me of. I had to just
remember words in order even though I didn't know what
the words meant, because I was never going to know
what the words meant. Yeah, it's like a totally different
language of vocabulary. Did you learn anything about being a
doctor though, Oh, I can do I could stitch you
up if you got a big cut. Yeah, I mean tracheotomy. Yeah,

(35:20):
I could do full surgeries. No you can't. I could
definitely stitch though, because I had a doctor on set
with me every day to make sure I was like
doing things. Oh that's cool, like quality control type stuff. Yeah,
just to make sure I wasn't like doing something completely
wrong that like nurses or doctors watching the show. No,
it's fake. Um. So she said that I was one
of the fastest people that learned how to do like sutures.

(35:43):
So if you ever have a cut, I would be
like you to let to all the girls that I
would think probably. So you're obviously pursuing music now, and
that takes a lot of your time almost all. I mean,
if you're on the road to it, it's that's it, right.
So it's not like there's a lot of room for
you to go. I'm gonna go to l A and
do this show. You can't. And I have had other
people that I know I want to say friends with,

(36:03):
but I've known and been friendly acquaintance. It's with it
or like I'm going to do both full time, Like
I'm gonna act. I'm not going to be a country
but it's hard to get the country music community to
buy into you if you're not into it, and so
I think Christie Mets is struggling with that a little bit.
I know she wants to be a country star, but
she's also doing this as us and she's back and forth,

(36:24):
and I think that's kind of why nobody is really
going we trust you as a country star. I think
I had to learn that the hard way. Like when
I first came to town, signed a record deal right
away and even my my team thought I could do
it at the same time. But within the first month
of me signing a record deal, this was back in
um I booked the show. So then I'm out seven
months a year filming and then I try to come

(36:46):
back and you're right, like, nobody really takes you seriously.
Um So until the show was canceled four years later.
I didn't put out any music because it just wasn't
really working. And and you're competing with people that are
doing it one of the time, like how can you
expect to compete when you're trying to or less of
the time, it's just you're not going to be at
the same level. Um. So once the show got canceled,

(37:08):
I was like, you know what, I really really want
to do this and I really want to focus and
um haven't acted since then the credible part. And you
can do both obviously, because there are people once they've
kind of established that their real deal like that, then
they can't. I mean, Lauren's doing Hallmark movies. McGraw obviously
has always done the acting thing. But once he firmly

(37:30):
planted his feed in to yeah you need to this stage,
I'm in Like this grinding stage doesn't work. Once you
get bigger, I think you can balance the too better.
Once you have the credibility, you can do whatever you want.
And the credibility is just a success at at country
radio that you're not going to have a hit or
two and then go, you know what, I'm good, I'm
done because this format love it or hate it, and
at times I have been in both places with it, honestly,

(37:53):
because it's been sometimes it feels a little too archaic
for me. I'm like, this is crap. A lot of
these rules are crap um. You know. They want to
believe that you're always going to be part of the system,
even if you take a break, that you're coming back
to the system. And so. But I see you hustling
now and you're on the road all the time and
you've committed. But my point is you're a credible artist

(38:13):
because you're a credible musician, Like you're a mute no
names mentioned. But they'll do a show and then come
to Nashville and be like, I'm gonna be a singer
country singer too. Well, what wow? What do we know
about you? What are you talking about? And so, but
I think for you, the benefit is that you do
have a background and that this is what you do. Heck,

(38:34):
I would say you do this in my mind more
than you are an actress, because you've sent more of
your life actually doing this on a stage with your
family or you know, before you move down here. I
think to like the big thing that has helped with
people maybe taking me more seriously is the fact that
I play instruments. I mean that really helps when I'm

(38:54):
in a room and I can like massively. Yeah, talk
about like chords and all that kind of stuff. What
do you play? What could I put in front of
you and you play? Well? My main thing is violin,
so I agree. Yeah. Like, so I grew up playing
like concertos, like classical violin, um orchestras, quartets, solos, competitions,
all that kind of stuff. That's crazy. So that's my
main thing. And then now I play guitar. I can
play mandolin. Mandolin's the same as violin, but down here

(39:17):
about the same same chord structures with your fingers. Well,
like violin, you don't do chords so much, but it's
the same string, so it's the exact same note. So
it's pretty translates pretty well. Um, and I could like
get by on a piano. I used to play well,
but I'm not very good at it anymore. So you
can still play violin. Do you play fiddle? Now? I've
like fiddle at my shows, but like every every night, Um,

(39:38):
I bust out. I have like a sequence fiddle that
I busted up on my shows and do like a
little moment that's fun. I would be surprised if I
were watching you and then you pulled out a fiddle,
because a fiddle is such a specialists instrument, and you
don't see a lot of fiddle players. I can name
one fiddle players maybe two that are actually also up

(40:02):
front singers as well. Kind of a weird like at
one point I was embarrassed by it, and then my
band leader, he's like Lizzo, busts out the flute, you
can the fiddle. So Natalie Stovall, who is now with
Runaway June, but I mean she's one of the best
singers in town before she wasn't Runaway June. I mean,
she's just that good. But I was always amazed that

(40:24):
she could sing and play the fiddle at the same time.
She can do really cool stuff, like she I can't
do what she can do. She'll like, yeah with the
I don't I don't even know. My body won't even
do that with nothing in my hands. What's funny about
that is so she played with my band for a
long time. We would do festivals, and so she's such
a good singer. I would just be like, all right, listen,
they came from me, but you're gonna sing and they're
gonna realize they're here for you. So I'd let her

(40:45):
sing songs. But we'd played Devil went Down to Georgia,
which is an easy song for me because I don't
have to sing it. I can't sing that well. And
so we would do it and she would do the
back bend and she would get such an eruption that
one day she was like, hey, stand behind me when
I do the thing, and it'll it'll feel like erupting
for you. And I was like, hey, thanks, Natalie. So
she has the backman while playing, I'd stand behind her
and put my arms up and I was like, they're
cheering for me. But but but that that's cool that

(41:06):
you can play the violin a bit of the fiddle, well,
the same thing, But is it? I mean, it's definitely
like I think of it like, okay, your dancer and
you're either like hip hop or you like ballet. I
would say, Eileen on the like ballet side, just because
I've that's how I like learned it. But if you
need to go hip hop, you can't. I can bring

(41:27):
some swag if I have to. That's pretty cool. How
many fiddles. Do you have? How many violins do you have?
I have three, So I have a sequence um one
I have just like my acoustic looking one, and then
I have a black electric one. Is there a left
handed violin? No, that sucks. I'm left handed. You'd have

(41:49):
to just I wouldn't. That's why. That's why I never
put it up. I thought for a long time. I
was like, I'm gonna take up the violin next. But
I play guitar left handed. Yeah, play ball left handed? Gone?
Are you like the smear across all the back of
my hand? Yeah? Wait? Are you not left handed? Are
you know? How do you usually only lefties know about
the smear thing? I think I've just seen like people
with smears all the time. I'm like, why is your Yeah,

(42:12):
I saw you do the fiddle like hold the fiddle up. Yeah,
I think I think it's just always like that on
the right or on the left side. Surely we can
sue someone we're not being included. Yeah, that's true. So
you signed with Big Loud. How long ago did that happen?
I signed with them like so long ago, and I

(42:32):
was it was literally like Chris Lane, Morgan Wall and me. Um,
But like I said, I didn't put up. I was
like developing while I was on the show, if you will,
So they say, okay, go do your thing, we'll figure
we'll figure it out together, but no rush to get
you out as an artist. Yeah, like we were flying up,
like we flew like Laura Belts came up twice to

(42:52):
write with me on the weekends. But the same thing.
It was like I would work eighteen hour days and
then try to write on the weekends, and I was
just so that it's hard to be creative after that
much work. So we just I don't know, I just
didn't really work. I learned that I read a really
interesting article because I struggle, and not as bad now
that my wife slaps me around and says, hey, stop

(43:14):
working all the time, because she's been a big i'd say,
the biggest influence in my life of trying to have
any sort of balance at all, because I never had it.
Wake up, work, go to bed, work, that's it, and
try to achieve whatever dumb dream I'd set out to achieve. Um,
I don't think my dreams are dumb now, I just
think there's more to it than the singularity of I

(43:34):
only want this and so with her has come you know,
a bit of balance and understanding that there's more to
it than just waking up and working. It sounds like
there's a lot of that with you, or at least
it was for a while, or that's all you were doing.
And I read this article about to be extremely creative,
you've got to allow time for boredom, which I'm never

(43:58):
bored because if there is a time for me to
do something, I'm going to be accomplishing something. It could
be read our video guy here. I'm like, okay, I
got a free hour of my whole day. I need
you to be at my house. We're gonna shoot all
these little clips that I have in mind. But I've
now focused on, at least a little bit, letting there
be time for me to try to be bored. And

(44:19):
I did that last night a little bit. Caitlin went
to watch Harry Styles went to the concert. Do you
go buy any chance? I wish? So she went to
the show and I was like, you know, I'm not
planning anything. I played a little Madden, ordered some Ramen.
I just sat around, and you know what, I came
up with three funny song ideas for like my comedy show,
and I never am bored enough to like be creative.
And I would imagine with your schedule it's hard to
be creative to even right songs because you're grinding so long.

(44:42):
I think, like, what's your like Intagram or whatever? Eight
in one Okay, I think I'm similar. Um, what's the
is the achiever? The three? Uh? All I know is
mind is the dictator. Okay, that's who I get compared to.
It's like the dictator that takes over everything. But yes,
we'll go with your You must have like I don't

(45:04):
really know that system very well, but you must have
some sort of three wing in there, if I'm saying
it right. But um, I'm like you, and like my
husband is similar to Caitlin, where he'll be like we
are watching a movie and your phone is not in
this room. I getting so much trouble for the phone
to you so much and like it's so bad because
I will feel like a slight anxiety for the first

(45:25):
like twenty minutes. I'm like, oh, it's not here, and
then I'll go check it. Against I fell a vibrat
in your pocket, but it's not in your pocket. Yes, yeah,
me too. All the time I have some sort of
disease reading pocket disease. So and again, Mike, did you
pull up the Instagram? Yeah? What is what? What are they?
One is reformer Okay, I'm not supporter. Three is achiever

(45:46):
for his individual eight? Three? Then that's what it is.
The dictator? Yeah, what's a A is protector? That's not right.
Maybe I'm the challenger. I think you're reading a wrong one.
Oh yeah, it's a different one. A lot of Google
searches aid his challenge. I feel like you're proving your
like point right about it. I'm like, that's not right. Yes,

(46:06):
So I think mine's at eight And what's the three
on the on the good one? You're reading the achiever? Okay,
I think I'm an eight in the three. But isn't
it nice to have like somebody in your life? Like
that's probably why both of our people came into balance,
because it aren't you happier with more balance? Now I've
had to do this analytically more. Yes, I'm happier more
of the time, But sometimes I just want to work

(46:27):
all day. And that's okay too. I mean that's but
like to have the days where you're like I might
die twenty years earlier, if I might have died twenty
years earlier if it wasn't for her, Because again, I
have to at times, and she will go on the
road and when I'm working twenty three days in a
row and I'm traveling and I'm shooting something, or she'll
go on the road with me, and she you know,
changed a lot of her life with her job. And

(46:49):
but she's like, hey, listen, when we're not on the road,
we're shutting it down, not just for her but also
for me. She's like, you're going to die. And so
that's been a struggle, and it's so funny you have
the same struggle. He's in music. He's in music, and
he like if you met him, like he might be
somewhere with her. But like he I am like the

(47:09):
same as you, like, go go go, Like my brain
is just always firing. And Jake is like, what's that? Man?
Like just the calmest human, Like he is so chill
at all times. How did you guys meet? Songwriting a
long time ago? So he, um, do you know Rose Falcon? Okay,
so she's married to Rodney. Yeah, so Jake used to

(47:30):
date Rose and I wrote with Rose. Um they broke
up and we're just friends. I wrote with Rose and
she's like, hey, you should come right with this other guy, Jake,
And we wrote and he called his mom that night
and he's like, I'm gonna marry this girl. I had
another boyfriend. So we didn't date for a long time.
But so her sex girlfriend suggested you go right the

(47:51):
three of us at Rodney's house and that's yeah. I
mean that's like some sister wives stuff. Then, so how
long did you as date before you get married? For
six years? He's music? Is he just a songwriter? Is
an artist, a roll songwriter, artist, actor? He was on Nashville,
so maybe you guys are on the same as well. Listen,

(48:13):
when I was on Nashville, everybody else got off the set.
I demanded it no eye contact nobody. It was all
nude scenes alone, so no one could be on set
as wild. You better got paid a lot. I only was.
I only did my scenes with Connie, and that's pretty
much it because whenever I would come in and I
had some my first I'm gonna be honest with you,
my first two times on the show, I was had

(48:35):
like one word and I played generic people. I think
I ended up paying four different people, or I played
myself twice, and then I played two other random people,
which was weird for continuity purposes because and like season one,
I'm like an extra that goes hey, and season two,
I'm a reporter who asked a question. But then I
started to play myself because they started referencing me on
the show, and so I would go in and have

(48:55):
full dialogue and if people were watching, they were like,
that's a reporter and also a guy be from the restaurant.
Isn't the one word worse than like the whole sentence.
It all kind of sucked. Yeah, I did see how
you could say that as an actor, but for me,
whenever I would be expected because you're just put on
a set with everybody, and nobody cares that I don't act.

(49:18):
They care that everybody's got a job to do. You
ain't trying to be there all day. Don't screw it up. Go.
No one's like, all right, guy who doesn't act, We're
really gonna take care of nurse. They're like, do your job.
We didn't bring in if you can't do your job.
And I'm like, and so I did mess up the
first time, and then I was okay this week when
you're hey, did you did you say, like yo, I

(49:39):
think I did okay on the one word one. I
did okay on the one line ones. But when I
had four or five sentences of dialogue back and forth,
I think I was so tight that I think I
set a wrong line at the wrong time because I
was only I wasn't really listening. I was waiting for gaps,
and then I was like, okay, let me just do
what I do, and then it was good. It's a

(50:01):
nerve racking thing because it is fast paced and like
I did ah my like worst worst experiences that it
wasn't my thing, but it was on Hell and Wheels,
so there was Common was on the show antsonmount like
it it's a Western on AMC. So I did three
seasons of that, and there was this massive, like ensemble

(50:21):
scene and it was Anson. Common had like these massive
dialogue lines and it was all one take and there
was one extra and he had one line, and um
my heart broke for him, but he could not get it.
And we would do like five minutes of dialogue and
the camera get to him and he would just shake
and like mess up. And I literally like people were

(50:43):
getting mad because you know, cost money when you keep going,
and it was horrendous to see, Like I felt so
bad for him him. I don't know what happened. I
just like, we don't know. I couldn't. You know, when
you watch somebody like struggle and it's just you just
put yourself in that position, you're like, Oh, I feel
so bad for them. They must be so nervous. Does

(51:04):
your husband right with you? Is there a rule? Um? No,
he's just so much different, Like he's more like like
Jason isbel or like Ryan Adams before Ryan Adams pretty
pretty trouble Ryan now, So he's more that, like he's
he's cooler than I am. And so when he was
on Nashville, he was a character. He played um Claire

(51:26):
Bowen's love interest for the last two Later later when
it was on CMTY, when it was yes, yeah, I
got it and so and then that's going, how long
you've been married. We've been married for two years. We
haven't had our wedding yet. We got married, yeah, so
we got we eloped with eleven people like right in
the beginning of the pandemic and we haven't had our

(51:48):
wedding yet. Are you planning on it or is it
now just a thing you can always say where we've
been married two years, but we haven't had a wedding.
I don't know, Like you tell me. Was it the
best day of your entire life, like all the money,
all of the stress that goes into it, or would
you have done a smaller thing if you did it again.
I'm gonna answer you as honestly as I possibly can.
I'm going to be as authentic as I possibly can

(52:09):
in this answer to me, it was worth it because
I had the money to spend, got it um and
we had a massive on property here and we got
we had We were lucky that it was in like
that two week spot between when COVID was over and
COVID came back again where it was like vaccines galore,
everybody's good. We got so lucky and so I mean

(52:33):
had a big on property wedding because I have a
pretty big spot like land wise here and we built
it all here. Sonic put up a whole Sonic here
because we love Sonic. I mean, it was I was
going to bring you Sonic today because I knew that,
but I'd like probably everybody buys you actually nobody brings
us anything. We didn't mention the songs she brought us, tacos,
nobody brings us crown. Really, you can't go to like

(52:55):
sonbody's house is your house. So it's like I can't
come to your house and not bring you. Yeah, but
I think most people think they're coming to just straight
Yeah no, so that's very kind of you. I hope
you like tacos. Who doesn't like tacos? That's what I thought.
But the wedding was great for us. I could absolutely
see where if someone if it was tight, I wouldn't
have a wedding like that. I would spend on the

(53:15):
car or part of a down payment on a house
or something like that. But we're lucky I had the money.
We blew it out. I also had great friends that
we're like, hey, what do you want for a gift?
I was like nothing, and they were like, okay, we'll sing.
So Dan and Jay sang our first song. Ronnie Dune
from Brooks had done singing the on moon um. Gary
Levox from Rascal Flats like twenty songs. You know, he

(53:36):
was just so And that was them going, hey, let
us give you something because another we can give you,
that's gonna be cool to you. And the weather was
it was just it was great. So my answer is yes,
but I don't But I don't think it's a universal yes,
because I'm just very blessed right now to be able
to do that. I wouldn't have done it five years
ago the same way we did it three months ago

(53:56):
or so, even though like the thought of maybe not
having it, you know, because because it was literally my
immediate family, his immediate family, the thought of like some
of my friends not being there, and so I don't know,
I gotta figure it out. Well, it's kind of something
we've just been like, so funny that you haven't had
a wedding, Like that's kind of cool, honestly, Like we've
married three two and a half years whatever, and we

(54:17):
still haven't had a wedding. I know at this point
people would be like, wait, haven't you we're coming to
your wedding. Haven't you been married for like ten years?
And then the gifts are't gonna be as good I'll be,
because they're like, you're already married, you know, I've got
a couple of gifts. Um. But yeah, I was like,
oh damg, I missed that on the gifts. If you're
filling out like a legal form and they say occupation,

(54:37):
what do you write down? I say, singer, songwriter, actress,
if it's an if it's some sort of government thing
that's interesting, you put all of them. What do you
put like because you have a bunch of too. Now
I just put entertainer. I used to just put radio,
and now if you can get questioned on some of

(54:58):
that stuff, so I just put entertainer because I feel
like it's all encompassing and I'm not lying, but you
do it all well, Now I should think I'm going
to put an entertainer. Don't steal, don't steal mine. I'm
going to Um, yeah, I don't know what. So look, Mike,
let's go back to the EP for a second, because
I don't want want to make sure we focus on
some of this music here. Let us play Let's see

(55:19):
here you have we don't have it. I can text
it to you, but I'll have to play it from
my phone. Uns you text it to Mike, that's gonna
be a whole thing. I'll tell you what so people
can't steal it because this is what happened. Sometimes if
we play new stuff, people will cut it out and
they'll put it on Instagram. What you should do is
text it to Mike and he can play it through

(55:39):
his phone through the microphone, and then we get to
just and nobody steals it. Do you do? You have it?
And so let me talk to you for a second. Yeah,
come over here. Let me ask you a couple of
questions here, what is your relationship? First, we met earlier

(56:00):
when you walked in, I think for the first time.
We haven't met before. Right, We're actually on a flight
to Las Vegas two weeks ago. Yeah, but that wasn't
like for a long time. That was just hello, right, Well,
I think I just saw that you were on the flight.
I didn't say hello because that I was going to say.
We had a mask, you know, on a report. I
dectly I met everybody because everyboy's in a mask. I
never remember, would you have a mask on? I did? Ye? Yeah?
Classic um going to I Heeart Festival. Yeah, I was

(56:22):
actually going to Utah, had to go through Vegas. But
I saw that we were on the same flight, and
I was gonna say. You didn't say hi. I was like,
and so when I said how we met, and you
said yes, that we didn't meet at all. You just
lied might kick him out of here? So okay, so
um introduced yourself to our listeners. And what you do.
My name's Drew. I work at Big Loud on all
things Mackenzie Porter. So are you and asked, okay, label,

(56:48):
but you're not management management? Okay, you are a manager
with with Seth and Boss and Greg Thompson. You are
her day to day manager. Yes, sir, Yeah, I got it. Yeah.
So how's she doing? Let's be honest here. I think
Mackenzie's next record is my favorite piece of music she's

(57:09):
ever put outside. Have you ever said that though and
lied about somebody? We just started working together. Actually, well,
so many artists coming like this is my most personal
ever And I'm like you said that every time? What's
the plan in your mind for her? In? We'll go
micro to macro a year, have another number one coming
off of this Dustin Lynch song, which I think is

(57:29):
going to be number one. I also think it will
be number one, by the way, for the record that's
Me knocking on wood. I also think Mackenzie is so
good live that we're going to just go after we
have a couple of really exciting to our opportunities that
I don't know if we don't say yet, Yeah, I
don't say yet, but you're gonna see mac all over
the world next year with some amazing artists. So she's

(57:52):
good live. I think the fiddle thing, sorry, you still
used to be at it. I think the violin thing.
The fiddle thing is just strong move to not talk
about it and then bust out in people's face with it,
because people, I would be shocked because she's playing guitar
and you know she's a real musician, but if she
plays the fiddle, you're just like, wait, what she's even
It elevates her in a way that I just don't

(58:13):
think people are expecting to see well. And I think
it's the thing about Mackenzie two is she's wildly humble,
um like, truly a bona fide star in Canada and
the most polite, genuine, sincere person. And it's been unbelievably
awesome to work together. So a year year may be
aggressive on a on a solo number one for a

(58:34):
new artist, I'll be honest with you, but I think
you have a shot to get something going there, Like
I think I think you're that good, Thank you. I
appreciate it, but a year may be a little agressive
on the number one. That being said, five years give
me that for one. Number one. No, we're talking here
with mackenzie. What's her what's what's the going there? I
think headlining arena isn't and and amphitheaters in the United States.

(58:57):
And I think the other thing is cool about Mackenzie
is we're going to radio play in Germany and the UK.
We have an insane offer to go out to Australia
next year. Um, so I think just trying to like
have that business translate in all these other countries as well, um,
international country star or like Keith Urban where he has
to kind of be pop in Australia because they don't

(59:18):
want to have country music. No, I think McKenzie, I
think you keep it real. Yeah, I just had a
number one in Australia. He did. Okay, I'm here. Your
managers is big things. I know you can't hear them
right now because I've shut off there. So you believe
in it, I know, I'm okay. So you're putting all
your chips in all in the all in the Mackenzie business. Yeah. Well,

(59:41):
and I think a lot of you know, like what
we're trying to do is like be really good at
zero to sixty, UM, and like just play so much
emphasis on like what you want the project to be like,
and like hearing these we were in the studio yesterday.
We have two more songs coming out this year. We
probably have you know, we know what the next one
is gonna be for next year. So it's just like
keep pouring gas on the fire that I think you've

(01:00:02):
done a really good job lighting. I've got a song coming.
I'm like super pumped about that. Um. Carrie wanted to
cut as one of her next singles, and it was
like a hard decision because that would be a massive
thing for me to have a Karender would cut UM.
But we decided to keep it for myself. Did you
write it? Oh wow, okay that I don't understand that.

(01:00:23):
So you wrote it. She wanted it, so I'd like
to cut the song. It was going to be a
cut for like she was cutting. I think I think
she's cutting five for her next single. UM. And it
was one of those and like an outside song for her.
But I don't know, I feel like I'm at the
point where right now like coming off of the dust
and song like it's it's kind of go time, and
if if the song is good for her, it's definitely

(01:00:45):
good enough for me. So um, I just wanted to
keep it for myself because I love it. You basically
gave up money because you believe in yourself. Yeah, I mean,
I'm trying to like look at the long the long game,
like I we me and my husband like literally drew
a graph to like see what would be the best situation.
And I was like, Okay, if if it's a no,
I'm caught on her, I'd be sad because then I
didn't get it. If it's a massive single, I would

(01:01:07):
be kind of sad because I wish it was my
massive single. So I just felt like the only way
that for me that was like the best outcome was
for me to try it. Mike, did you get the text?
I got it. This is that song. This is a
different song. But yeah, we wouldn't we wouldn't have the difference.
But this I wrote about my husband, so right when
we got married. Kind of okay, how long ago? Two
years ago? He wrote, Well, I wrote it afterwards. I

(01:01:27):
guess I was like maybe six months after Mike, I
only one about thirty seconds this because we'll get sued
by everybody here we go on a day, Oh god

(01:01:49):
all over again, I'm a god like well out then
what did an annoying god? Am? I? I I think we

(01:02:17):
need to stop there. That that that's not as like
extorted or what's the word extorted? What does that mean?
I don't want to hear that from you. I don't
need any extortion attempt here. Um, So yeah, that's distorted
obviously far from a microphone. No one's gonna steal it.
That's the good name. That's good. So that song is
called what Heaven Heard Me? Heaven heard me? Oh, it's

(01:02:38):
pretty cool, like heven't heard me? And now you're here, okay, listen,
I've seen you look at your watch like four times.
Are you we're running late here? No? No, sure, No,
I think it's a nervous habit if I'm just being
because you're on the air and now you're okay? Is
this your first on the air? Uh? He now admits
he's like, No, I did the show for four years.
I've been on other podcasts, but nothing on this level.

(01:03:00):
What are the podcasts have you been on? I was
on don't shoot on the bus, which is a touring
podcast because as a tour manager before a minute, don't
on the bus. Don't shoot on the bus as a
golden rule. Yeah, oh no, for sure. No number two.
You wait till we stop at freaking Bucky's or we
stop it at sheets or part of the country you're in. Yes.

(01:03:21):
I was also on a triathlon podcast, It's really nerdy,
you traathlon guy amazing. Done a couple of Olympic triathlons
because I didn't know there was sich thing as a
sprint treathlon. I was an idiot the first time. I
think you got an iron man in you. I do not.
I don't have an Olympic one in me anymore. The
first time we turned over to him, the first time

(01:03:42):
that I did a triathlon, my girlfriend at the time
was like, Hey, I'm gonna do a triathlon and I
was like, well, that's interesting, so will I. Now. I'm
a hard worker. I'm a mediocra athlete, but I can
work myself into being a pretty good athlete, and so
signed up. She was like, how long let me see
your training schedule because I was working full time all
the time, and I said, well, Okay, let's let's look

(01:04:03):
at it. She goes, why are you training so much
more than I am? Like, your distances is so much longer.
And I was like, well, I signed up for She goes, no,
I'm doing a sprint. And I was like, well, what
does that consist of? And she told me and where
I think hers was a half a mile swim, where
mine was a one mile swim, and then hers was
a twelve mile bike row m almost twenty five miles
and then and so I had no idea. And I

(01:04:24):
did this triathlon and finished it and was like, dang,
that sucked, but I could do so much better now that.
So I did a second one, hated it again, and
we'll never do another. But thank you, thank you for
saying that there's no way I could do an iron man?
Did you feel that like in your best shape of life?
I hate exercising and I do every day, but I

(01:04:44):
see it. Oh, I exercise every day. I have a
trainer that comes to my house three times a week.
I'm running like I'm at it six days a week.
But I hate it. Do you like the after though? Yeah?
The other the other twenty three hours. I love myself.
It's the one. But but I do that. You talk
about it, you made a chart about this song with
your husband. That's why I have to look at my life.
It's like would I rather not exercise and kind of

(01:05:06):
be like dang for twenty four hours or absolutely hate
it for an hour and the other like good for yes,
I'm talking about like let's go. And so that's why
I exercise. I did a couple of traath ones. My
best shape ever was Dancing with the Stars on that show. Yeah,
I've heard that is like grueling, grueling, and I was
I'm still injured in places of my body. Was your

(01:05:28):
body just like I hate you? I was like that
to me too, other than of my body was like
I hate you because it was as a whole experience. Um,
but okay, look we've Mike, we've been how long has
this been? An hour and three minutes? We've already we've
hit an hour. We don't always hit an hour with people.
But let me say this about you. I think you're
the hardest. Your hardest step is going to be because

(01:05:51):
you're so talented convincing people that this is the talent
that you're here for, you know, But I think once
they believe they're going to be a big believer. And
that's what that's what the best part is, you actually
have the goods. It's just this town, as you know,
they're so old school. Sometimes it's just so you agree
to right. He doesn't want to say anything. It's so

(01:06:14):
like I drives me up the wall sometimes. But but
you have every you have every every element. Congrat congratulations
on the Dustin song. You so crazy that that went
from you just singing on a dimp. But that also
shows you can sing, like there's nothing else. That just
shows you can sing. It's like that show now on
Fox where they have the avatar. Have you seen that
where it's like the voice, but it's an avatar that sings. No,

(01:06:36):
you don't know what they look like, and so they
make an avatar looks like the dumbest show ever. But
like real singers are winning that show because there's nothing
else to it. And so you basically just won the
avatar show to be on Dumstin song. Um so congratulations
there and lit'sten. I'm looking forward to seeing what you
got next. What's the what's the next like radio single
you guys are going with, like where you're pushing it

(01:06:57):
and that's the one. Well, I think it's I think
it's the one we cut yesterday is called pick Up.
But you know, now that I said it on air,
my team is gonna be like, but you don't know. Yeah,
well you're not committed anything here. Yeah, um, I think
it's that song, but we don't know yet. Whenever you're ready,
you let me know. You can come up by yourself
without dustin. I rarely do this, but here's your coupon

(01:07:21):
to go. We want to use it. We want to
come in and you guys come in and play and
sing and show off. Really how good you are. I
would love that, all right, I would love that. Thank
you for being so awesome and supportive of young artists.
It's very cool, well to be fair good artists, because
some old artist I'm supportive of two. It's just the
ones that aren't good that it's harder to be supportive of. Well,

(01:07:43):
I appreciate it. Um, well, it's listen. It's been great,
great to spend some time with you. Thank you for
the tacos, thank you for coming on. Talking a little bit.
He's looking at us watch a lot. I was like,
you gotta be somewhere else. It's like, so is that
a fancy watch? See this is uh it was it

(01:08:03):
was before I was married or had a mortgage. Uh,
probab made it from that bus podcast. Now your residuals
from that don't on the bus? Yeah, it was my days. Okay, listen,
you guys, come in. You're invited. Whenever you get that
song and you decide you know what you wanted and
when you want it, you're welcome to come in. You
just let us know and come on up, you guys.

(01:08:25):
Check out drinking songs. It's seven songs. Do you still
want me to say that? Or you like moved on
from that? I personally and moved on. But like that's
how I'll always feel. I'll put out a song tomorrow
and like the next day I'll be like, but what
about this new one? On Instagram Mackenzie P Music. But
I caution you that if you follow her, she's going

(01:08:45):
to think you're gonna reach out and try to cut
a song with her, every single one of you out there,
Mackenzie P Music. Um, okay, I think we've done our
job here. Thank you, Thank you for the tacos. Great job.
And Mike, anything from you okay. That is it. We'll
see you next day. This genius is given

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