Cody Jinks (@codyjinks) sat down with Bobby Bones to talk about his music journey! He went the grassroots effort of playing non-stop shows for 15 years and never signed a record deal, and shared why he thinks that helped him find success. Cody explains why he always invested in himself and the turning point in his career where he realized he was doing better than he thought. He also recalls how on his 2-year-old son's birthday the song "Loud and Heavy" was inspired. Cody also shares why he feels like the shift in country music to be more authentic benefited his career, the artists he thinks are the most real with their music right now, why he feels like he's just starting to get to know his teenage kids and he talks about the process of making his new record!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Dude, I'm a punk, I'm a country guy and a
rock guy. But everything we've done, everything I've done over
the past twenty five years has been pumped.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Episode four twenty four with Cody Jinks, which we've been
working on getting Cody on this for a while, and
we were up in the studio and they were like, hey,
he's gonna come by. We were like, well, we're in
the studio, so come on bye, So you'll hear the
show later on in kind of pipe in because we're
all just sitting here hanging out, so pretty pumped about this.
Let's play the new single Outlaws and Mustangs.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
We won't hit the Highway just here in the nine.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
For those that don't know, Cody Jinks sounds nothing like
he looks not at all. Cody Jinks was a thrash
metal guy, but who grew up listening to country, who
toured thrash metal, which has got to be rough.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's like, I don't want to do this anymore. Takes
a big long break, gets a real job.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Was like, I want to go back and do country,
but it's extremely like authentic. Mostly I would be like somebody, no,
it's it's just real because he's still the same dude,
and you see him and you don't question anything. So
here has changed the game. A new song from Cody Jinks.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Some said I'd never made you get that out, didn't
do things right. So I showed him who louds.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And you may know the song Loud and Heavy, which
was written with his infant son, and we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
But here you go under between joy him time.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So based in Texas, Cody Jinks really known as an
independent artist, one of these guys who's been doing it
for a long time. But it's really really caught like
mainstream fire in the past few years. But even before
he caught mainstream fire, he was still like number one
album like, he has such a cult following that finally
people just had to acknowledge it because I don't think
he's doing anything any different. It's just grown so big
that if you keep ignoring it, you're just the idiot.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, would you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
State?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So he's touring all next year, but he's also doing
some dates with Luke Combs on the state tour, which
is pretty cool. He grew up in Fort Worth. You know,
his dad taught him how to play guitar. Early taught
him how to play some riffs and stuff, started a label.
Now we'll talk about that. And you know, he's had
a lot of different jobs. He worked in steel freight, docs, restaurants, retail,
(02:16):
chain stores, bars, and full time musician.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And let's do it here. It is waited for a
while for this one. Enjoy. By the way, if you
don't know what he looks like, I'm gonna long beer.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I would say, like Jim the Anvil Nighthard. If you're
like eighties wrestling. If you're like seventies, I would say
zz Top. If you're like nineties, I would say zz
Top from the seventies. H yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
Cody Jinks, here you go.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
What's up, dude, come on in? Have you see Oh yeah,
we'll fling up. I think we stunned them with the clapping.
You get right there. Yeah, he didn't expect to see
all of you guys. Yeah, what's up? Man? Welcome Cody.
Good to talk to you, buddy. Hi guys, it's good
to be here. Thank you very much. I'm good. I'm good.
How are y'all? We're pretty good? Are you a Dallas Cowboys?
I am good? I'm a Rangers fan. Okay, so that's good.
(03:03):
Then that's positive. Yeah, we we just did it. You
did it in like twelve years of heartbreak since the
last I mean, I remember where I was when we
lost Game seven, like in twenty eleven. Where were you.
I was playing a show at a really small venue.
It was a cigar bar, and they actually told us
not to play so we could watch the game. And
we still got.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Paid, so you didn't even have to play and it
was your team. Yeah, dang, I went, that's crazy, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm a big Cups fan.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And when we finally won the World Series, it was
the night of the CMA's and I was supposed to
be part of the production, but they had it once
in nineteen oh eight, and for me, it was a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You're gonna be on CBS and I was like, guys,
I can't come. I have to stay home and watch
Game seven.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And they thought it was the weirdest thing that I
wanted to stay home and watch a baseball game rather
than be on a TV show. And then we won
the World Series to beat the Indians.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It was awesome. I'd say you won. I mean, I
would say I won too. You did it?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, congratulations, that's really cool on the Rangers, thank you.
But yes, I am a Cowboys Eddi's a massive Cowboys fans.
She's had a tough week.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Okay where he's got the got the cap on. It
was a tough week, but I mean you feel good, right, yeah?
You know it could have been much worse, and frankly,
I thought it would be worse. You know, we were
playing the uh, the Eagles, but yeah, no, it could
have been worse. We're good. I don't think we're gonna
take it this year, but we're good. We're good. I
(04:19):
hope so better future on him. Yeah, man, come on,
And I'm not a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I like Cowboys now because Jerry Jones has been super
nice to us and allowed us to come and hang
out with him and do stuff. But you know, I
put a little something on there early in the season,
so I need him to, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Let's do it. Hey. I hope for for your sake
and my sake as a fan that yeah, you win
lots of whatever it is your exactly. Yes, big sports
guy in general, huh Baseball and football predominantly, yeah, you
know those two mostly uh college and and pro stuff,
(04:55):
but not so much hockey. I like basketball pretty good. Yeah,
I like sports.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
When we're off in towns, we try to go see games.
How would you define the difference between Dallas and fort Worth.
You're from fort Worth, right, yeah, at least near fort Worth? Yes,
for because DFW is considered to a people from afar
the same. It's even called freaking DFW. But there is
a difference. And what is fort Worth about?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Uh, it's a great question. They're they're really really different.
Dallas is kind of more one of those towns. If
you go, if somebody's like, I'm from Dallas, you know,
ask originally. Fort Worth is like they're going to tell
you I'm from fort Worth. You know. It's it's it's
a different machine. You wouldn't think that, you know, in
(05:43):
the thirty five miles apart, and so that's not too far,
but you wouldn't think they'd be as different as they are.
They're drastically different. You want to pump the brakes man,
go to fort.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Worth's You're right, it's it's definitely I feel more comfortable
fort Worth.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's a little slower.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, it feels like there'd be more horses there.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Would that be accurate and less shiny shirts. It's well
over the last twenty years. I mean I used to
bartend in the North Side and like where Billy Bobb's
is and stuff like that. So over the last twenty years,
I've definitely seen it get a little more sparkly, you know.
And that's okay. It's very cosmopolitan there now, yeah, but
(06:23):
you know it's still home and there's there's still that
it's a big city, you know, with a smaller town feel.
You still get that too. Do you get to write
on the road much or are you just on the road,
And because I'll tour and travel, but I'm a comedian
and I'm just tired while I'm on the road all
the time. Can you ride on the road or do
(06:45):
you ride at home? Both? I don't ride as much
on the road as I do at home. I I
do more writing, like I'm writing. I'm writing a book
right now, so I do more riding like that on
the road that I songwriting. I'm off right now. We
just played Illinois on on Saturday, and so I've been
(07:07):
here in town just writing songs, do some co written
and stuff the last couple of days. But I do
I do most of my writing at home, I would say,
is the co.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Writing stuff, and how Nashville does it different than how
you traditionally have written.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes and no no in that Back when I was younger,
you know, twenty years ago, when I when I first
got started in the country thing, the first rights I
did were kind of more Nashville thematic, you know, more
of a structure. And over the years I've gotten to
(07:46):
know people that it's very it's it's a lot more organic.
I don't I don't do like right times and walk
into an office.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
To like a calendar and address and you're gonna show
up to two other people you never met before.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, Like I have to hang out with people and like, hey, man,
you're cool. You're cool, all right, you know I think, man,
I could probably ride with you know that person. So,
you know, I kind of base it off that we
keep it pretty loose. And I have a big ranch
out in the middle of nowhere in Texas. So my
wife and I had a guest house built, so we
always have all kind of wild and crazy people coming
(08:19):
by to ride. It's kind of like Forrest Gump's house,
you know, like there were always people coming in and
out all of interesting nature. Your wife has been with
you since like teenage years. First show I ever played,
she was there when I was seventeen.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So if she's at your first show, was she just
happen Did she just happen to be at a random
show or did she know that you were going to
be there and she was gonna go watch you play?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
No, we had been dating at that point already, and
we had actually we were having an intermission. It was
our junior year in dating and dating. Yeah, we're having
a brief intermission, but she still came to the first
show that I ever played, and that was that was
several thousand shows ago. But yeah, we've been married nineteen
(09:03):
together twenty six, so's she's seen everything. She's been in
this business as long as I have. What would you
tell somebody it's marrying or getting in a relationship with
an artist or somebody that travels a lot. My wife
and I were dealing with this now because she doesn't
work and entertainment at all. I'm gone a lot, so
we're having to kind of adjust together to me trying
not to be gone as much in her to me
(09:23):
being gone all the time. What advice would you give
to a couple that's going through this, it's the same
advice I'd give to any couple. Marriage is one hundred hundred.
It's not fifty to fifty, you know it. I got
to know my kids when COVID hit, and one of
them is a teenager. So it tells you how much
I was gone over the years. Yeah, it's you make
(09:47):
time for the things that you want to do. So
if you wanted to have a family, you know, you
take care of them. A lot of understanding, of a
lot of compassion, a lot of empathy going both ways.
You know, what I do is extremely tough, but you
know what my wife has to deal with because something
always goes wrong. You probably this probably happens to you
(10:10):
or any of you guys that travel a great deal.
The air conditioner is going to go out right when
you leave, right when you're gone, and then here furthest
point away, one of the kids is going to get sick.
This will all happen simultaneously. You know, they will be
scheduled to have their tonsils out and you will not
be there, you know. So I mean, just that's real life.
And understand that when I come home, it's not just
(10:32):
good time, like dad coming home. You know, it's like, hey, kids,
you know, I totally come home like the Tasmanian Devil
and mess up their program.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's funny, Like you're not in the everyday program. So
it's like you're just Dad's here and it's awesome, but
you're kind of a different element.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, it did it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Make you want to be home? You say you met
your kid really for the first time during COVID. Did
it make you want to be home more?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah? Actually, after COVID hit and I realized that, you know,
we were okay, like as a band in a crew
and all the office people and warehouse people and stuff,
we were okay. Nobody missed a paycheck. And so when
we came out of the COVID thing, we didn't tour
for a year and a half, just like everybody else didn't.
When we finally came back out and started playing again,
(11:19):
I said, you know, I only want to do about
sixty shows a year anymore. And you know, I'm done.
I'm done doing it like we did it, you know
back in the day. You know, we fly in, jump
on the bus, two or three days, fly home, and
that that works a lot better. You know, and all
the guys in the band you know that have kids
(11:40):
are in their forties and fifties. Now, we've all been
doing this a long time, and so trying to be
at home, you know, especially the teenage years, you know,
and and you know we miss so much of their
early childhood. So not trying to make up or atone
for anything, just be more present, you know, like we're
more successful, we've been doing a long time. We don't
(12:00):
have to be on the road too in her days
a year.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Do you feel like there's been a shift in country
we'll say country music for for just more authenticity, maybe
not even for a style, but just for more like
let's just keep it real and be who you really are.
Do you feel like that's happened and that's been beneficial
to you.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
In your career? Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I and
I can cite some people that, like you said, it's
more style and not just uh, it's it's authenticity. It
doesn't matter if it's if it's somebody like like Zach
Bryan or Ashley McBride. I think those two people specifically
are to the the hottest things and you know, biggest
you know, badasses can you say that again, that one's acceptable. Yes, cool,
(12:44):
all right, just making sure my mom. If my mom's listening,
I will get in trouble. You cursed on the radio.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But you know, there's a there's a lot of people
and I think it's just uh, it's real. It's it's authenticity,
it's it's it's not it's not the status quo as
to what we've known for the I guess probably the
better part of the last twenty years. So it's it's
definitely helped my career and you know, I feel like
in a lot of ways, you know, I've kind of
helped with that. And you know, I'm not gonna sit
(13:14):
here and be like, you know, you know, we did
it this way and people should do it this way
or YadA, YadA, YadA. It's you get you get to
the crowd. If you try to get to the crowd,
and you're gonna find them, and they're going to find
you if it's real, and you know, that's all we've
ever tried to do.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I've often said about your career that you're one of
the guys that before all the platforms allowed people to
find their rightful audiences. We'll call them highways that you know,
you were you were proving that you didn't have to
do it the way everybody else does it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
To do it, it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Might be harder, it might be different, but yeah, you're
one of those stories where if you just do it
and you believe it and you're good, eventually you're gonna
find an audience. Is that just from playing shows NonStop?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Do you think? Yeah? It was definitely the grassroots thing,
staying on the road when we were you know, I
jumped on the road full time at twenty six and
I didn't come up for air until I was forty,
you know, so we we spent really fifteen years just
hammering the road and building a grassroots effort. And you know,
(14:18):
I can remember shows where, you know, the first time
I played Wichita, Kansas, there were four people. The first
time I played Madison, Wisconsin, there were four people. That's
you know, it's as many guys on stage as there
are in the crowd. So building it that way was
much tougher. You know, we didn't ever go with a
record deal, so instead of you know, getting an advance
(14:38):
up front from a record company, you know, we gambled
on ourselves to you know, have the opportunity to make
money later, just because I owned everything. I've owned my
you know, publishing, So you give up stuff when you
get that record company carrot dangled in front of your face.
(15:00):
He said, first, you know, a couple million looks good,
and you got to pay all that stuff back. So
we just did it ourselves, and I figured if we
were getting in. I saw how streamings were going, and
I kept thinking, Man, if it keeps moving like this
and we build a really underground audience and keep going
to see him like we would be fine. It would
just take us longer.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Did you feel like there was a moment or a
song or an album that really propelled it more than
the other years or was it just a gradual build
where you really couldn't feel like an instant impact.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yes and no, both both. I would say the record
specifically would be Adobe Sessions. We put that out in fifteen.
That was really kind of a turning point for us
on that record, But I didn't even realize that it
was until years after, because we just put our heads
down and just worked. Like like I said, I didn't
(15:56):
come up for air until I was forty. I didn't
I didn't realize how good a shait we were in
once we were forced into a break, like financially, financially,
I didn't realize because like we were just working and
working and working and just saving the money, just throwing
it back in the bank. And you know, I've always
(16:17):
just invested in myself. I've always invested in my people.
I employed thirty two people, you know, I invest in them.
I want them to do better. You know. That that
was that was really nice to be able to open
my eyes one day and go because like everybody freaked
out at first, you know, and a lot of bands
weren't getting paid and it was tough, you know. And
(16:40):
I saw a lot of really good bands go through
a lot of really hard times, you know. And fortunately
because of the way we did it, being a late
bloomer kind of kind of paid off for us. Your
dad musical, Yeah, my mom and dad both My dad
taught me to play long Black Veil the lefty for
zilver Is when I was fifteen, and uh it that
(17:03):
was the first song you learned. That's first song I learned. Yeah,
and uh I learned my first three chords and then
it was off to the races. But I grew up
in the Church of Christ. So we didn't have musical
instrumentation when I was a kid in the church, and
uh there was all a cappella. So we learned how
to harmonize and listen to each other, which ultimately being
in a band has ironically it served me served me
(17:27):
better not having music and learning how to sing. And
then it's probably an accidentally great education. Yeah, accidental great end. Yeah, yeah,
I've had some accidental not so great with It's still
in education though, Yeah, it's still it is. You still learn.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, So you were playing guitar fifteen or sixteen? What
music were you drawn to first? Did you go right
to metal?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
To rock? Was that what we were listening to? Countries
is my first love. It's always been punk and metal
are a real close second. I'm gonna lump them together
because I mean, like, dude, I'm I'm a punk. Like
there's no you know, I'm a I'm a country guy
and a rock guy. But everything we've done, everything I've
done over the past twenty five years has been punk.
(18:13):
That's that's just what I am. It's it's what I do,
it's how I do it. I listen to all of them,
you know, those are those are my those are my
main my main stays. You know, it's to me. You know,
it doesn't get better than than Merle Haggard and Metallica.
I kind of Revere, you know, those two kind of
(18:39):
right up there on the on the Mount Rushmore, and
then you know big punk guy Social Distortion and and
you know Ramones, big Ramones fan. You know, I think
that they got a lot of stuff going that ultimately
helped me in my music. If you look at some
of my biggest songs, they're they're punk. Real.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
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Speaker 1 (19:15):
You ever spit on the crowd? No, that's what I
think about, Like CGS.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
No, and that's a punk right there, like your counterculture
for sure, and you've done it the punk away. But
I think a punk, I think I like them, is
spinning and pooba on people like yeah, just letting.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Them have Yeah. No, I never got like that because
here's the thing. I wouldn't want that that done to me,
you know, And I'm not very big, So if I
spit on the wrong dude, I'm probably gonna get my
butt whipped. So uh No, we we just uh, everything
but the spitting and the defecating on stage. Everything but
(19:51):
everything but that, everything else except drugs. We don't do
those anymore either, So we're actually very boring now, so
loud and heavy. So the song all was written with
your infant son. Can you tell me that story? Yeah,
we were, uh we were driving down the road. It
was his second birthday and I was off the road
at the time, and uh, all he wanted to do was, uh,
(20:12):
go see tractors. So I drove him down to the
nearest uh uh tractor store, tractor supplier, and he was
like two, you know, and he wanted to just sit
on it and go room. And uh it started raining
really really heavy, and just said he was sitting back
(20:33):
there in his car seat and he said, lout under
heavy rain. Out under heavy rain. I grabbed my phone
and I just hit the voice memo and I just
did the I mean, just exactly like it's on the record,
wout under heavy rain, and just hit stop. Went to
the tractor store. Rain led up a little bit. He
played for a second, and then I was like, all right, buddy,
ready to go. It's like I gotta write this song.
(20:55):
Went home, wrote the song Oh Sorry, I forgot I
had on Mike went Home. I wrote the song about
forty five minutes, and you know, it was it was,
you know, it was kind of a funny saying this
business business, a word gets a third, you know. But
there was only you know, two of us there. So
I actually gave him half of the writing on it.
(21:17):
So he's eleven now, but he doesn't he doesn't realize
how much money that song's made. He won't because yeah,
he's gonna have to. We told both of our kids,
because my daughter's got a couple of writing credits too,
as that's my wife. And we told our kids it's like, no, no,
you don't get that. No, you go to school or
(21:39):
you get a job. You get that when you're older,
like eighteen twenty one, uh, maybe older than the five.
We don't want to have little turds, little trust fund turds.
My wife and I grew up without much, so we're
trying to, you know, teach him. Hey man, this is
more about hard work than it is about anything else.
(22:00):
New songs, outlaws and mustangs. Yeah, so why why had
that as the new single? I really had to fight
for that song. I released my last record two years ago.
It was called Mercy, and we had tried to record
Outlaws and Mustangs on the Mercy record. It just wasn't jobbing.
What do you mean, It wasn't Jiva. We couldn't. We
had a lead live, a lead hook for it. That
(22:22):
just it sounded really corny to me. And it was
towards the end of the session, so we were all
pretty burned out and brain dead, and so we weren't
giving it the full attention we needed. So we ended
up scrapping it. And it took me, you know, till
we go back in for this recording cycle to get
atonement for that song. We were able to go in
(22:43):
and I said, guys, I said, throw out everything that
you played before. I said, we're starting the song over.
And we like, sonically or lyrically or oh no, not
lyrically lyrically were we kept all the same lyrics, got
it all the same lyrics that lyrics were there. I
did sing it a little bit differently, and I think
that that kind of spurred the band to uh to
(23:03):
play it a little bit differently as well, and it
just kind of fit. So I felt really really good
about that, felt like like I said, like, I had
a tonement for that when I was two years waiting
to make that song right. We were starting to talk
singles for this new record, and it was like, are
we really going to take the song that we could
not get right on the last record and like it
(23:25):
just now it shines, you know, so it's like, yeah,
let's let's do it, man.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Like.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So that was the first one we put out. I
wrote that with my friend Tennessee Jet. And that's his name,
Tennessee Jet. Yeah, TJ McFarland. He's one of the one
of the best writers I know. He's an Oklahoma boy
and his name's Tennessee Jet. Now we got a pause.
Why is his name Tennessee Jet? He's from Oklahoma, TJ.
If you're listening, But we we got questions. Bro. I
(23:51):
never I've been friends with him for years. I've never
thought of that. Not one time I thought that. But
so we don't know the answer to that. I have Okay,
we'll put a pen in that one. Yeah, no, No,
he's one of my favorite writers. I saw him play
for the first time years and years ago, and and
just like man, we've been writing songs ever since. And
(24:14):
I told him about a movie that I'd seen with
Kevin Costner and Woody Harrelson called The Highwaymen, where they
were playing the police officers that tracked down Bonnie and Clyde,
and there was a line in the movie Kevin Costner said,
Outlaws and Mustangs always come home. They were trying to
track and kind of figure out where Bonnie and Clyde
were going to go, you know, I figured out their pattern.
(24:37):
And so I called TJ and I said, I said, hey, man,
you need to watch this movie and listen for this line,
and then let's write a song called Outlaws and Mustangs.
And he's like, cool, I'll watch it. I saw he
watched it that night or the next night and said
skip a day. So I called him one one evening,
skip that next day, and then he called me next day.
He said, hey, man, I think I got something, and
(24:57):
he said, I'm gonna send it over to you. He
sent me the whole song and I said, basically, I
just wrote the title. TJ. He said, yeah, but is
there anything you want to change in the song. And
I was like, no, it's fantastic. I'm not changing it.
I could go screw it up. I could try to
change it and be like, well I had to get no,
it is perfect, you know. So that was a happy accident.
(25:18):
And thank you again to TJ for you know, his friendship.
But also man, I get stuck and he's one of
my first calls on a song for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
How often is it that you write a song and
then you feel like, well it's not done, and then
you go back and you fix it, and then it's
actually fixed? Because I think all those are different things,
because sometimes maybe like we don't want to go back
to the song, or sometimes you just don't ever fix it.
How often does all that happen where you do go
back and it is a success.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You know, I don't know the answer to that, maybe
for anybody else. For us, we normally grind on a
song until we get it. If we know the songs there,
we'll we'll work on one song for twelve hours.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
We don't do things like you know a lot a
lot of people use session musicians and you know, go
in and they'll lay a whole record down in a day.
You know, it took us five months to make this record.
We go in, I mean, we're we're a regular band,
so we'll spend all day on a damn song if
we need to. Do you ever write while you're recording?
(26:24):
Absolutely doesn't. Do you have your own studio, I don't.
It doesn't make sense where I live.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It feels expensive to write while I'm recording because I
gotta run out the freaking studio.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I normally write while we're recording while the band is
laying stuff down. I don't need to be there for
So what I'll do is I'll know that. Let's say,
you know Josh, our bass player, he produces our stuff
as well. He'll tell me, Hey, Cody, we're gonna be
laying down, you know whatever whatever on Tuesday from like
(26:58):
basically you have noon to you have noon to six
o'clock off Tuesday. I'll call some writers and I'll be like, hey, man,
can you come over to the studio between you know
whatever time on get it? This new record about to
drop has three songs on it that were written in
the studio, and that record comes out early next year.
It does early next year, and how many what is
(27:18):
your what is your theory even if it's new on albums,
what an album should be?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Or how many songs a double out? You know, everybody's
different now Some artists are much more single based. Some
are let's do forty seven songs in an album. What
what what are you about?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Dumping content? I just get it out there, you know.
I love I think the single thing is cool. I
think the EP thing is cool, the six pack thing
is cool. However you can deliver music to people is cool.
It's art. Just get it out there, you know. I personally,
I'm pretty old school. I think the concept of a
(27:55):
of a really great record, you know, let's say full
lengthd you know, eight, ten, twelve, fourteens, whatever, you know,
just a great record in and of itself that you
can put on your turntable. Let the whole thing play.
When the needle goes up, flip it over, let the
whole thing play again. That's what I'm really into, you know,
(28:15):
like trimming all the fat, you know, nothing on the
you know, this record we've got now that we're sitting on,
you know, I think we've got We're obviously not gonna
do twelve singles, but we've got just a ton to
choose from on this record. Just because I wanted everything
to be in all records, you know, I just love
the concept of a great record. Put it on let
it play. You know, no fat, you know, every song's
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got to be great.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I went to Grimey's yesterday, which is a record store
here in town. It's like old school, and I was
shooting a show, a TV show, and they asked me, like,
your five best most influential albums, right, vinyl? And part
of the thing though, was they were just shooting some
beat roll of me looking through vinyl the albums. Man,
you kind of forget how awesome just the imagery was
(28:58):
because everything was bigger, like on an album cover. Sometimes
we don't ever see pictures because we're just we're just digital.
When you put art in an album, like visual arts,
is that important to you?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yes? And why it is for the same reason you know,
we're we're somewhere in the same age category, you know.
So I remember, like, like you said, the word big,
when you're holding that vinyl, holding that LP like it
possesses power. When you're a kid, there's so much, there's
(29:33):
so much to look at and so much to see,
and then you open it up and you want to
read the liner notes and you want to so and
so played on this this record or this song and
this was recorded at such and such studio I heard it,
you know, or so and so was a guest on
this record, or you know, just all of those little
things that us music nerds, you know, look at and
(29:56):
love to see. And that's what we've just been discussing
on on our upcoming record. I wanted the outside to
really reflect like what our band is on the outside,
and then I wanted when you opened it up to
really reflect what we are on the inside, you know,
is you know, we do things our own way, and
(30:17):
we've we've we've designed that model on on on purpose
and oftentimes we're we're probably considered pretty enigmatic as a unit,
like how do these guys tick? Because most of my
guys have been with me for a long long time.
But it's really the sweetest group of people on the road,
you know, and we kind of wanted the album to
convey that, and the album artwork as well, you know that.
(30:41):
Like I said, you open the front up, you look
at the front. It's very very tough looking, and then
you open it up, and I wanted it to look vulnerable.
I wanted it to you know, be actually a picture
of the band smiling, or you know, a collage of
pictures or whatever of us just having a good time
and being normal, and we've tried to let people see
(31:03):
that side of us a little bit more the last
few years. We've tried to be a little more accessible.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I guess the Bobby cast will be right back. This
is the Bobby cast.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
You don't look like somebody that I would go, that's
a really nice kind guy. But when you meet you,
you go, this dude's warm and like. I like you
because I followed your career for a while. You got
a big beard. I'm like, this dude probably shank me. However,
as soon as you walked in, I was like, Oh,
you're actually very soft and easy to talk to. I
(31:45):
bet you probably have people tell you that a lot
that don't know you. Yeah, people would assume oftentimes I
walk around my house with my cowboy hat and my
sunglasses on or you know, I think that's stabbing something
though too, probably mad yelling or throwing things. No, you know,
we're we're pretty we're pretty laid back. We're pretty chill.
(32:08):
We have to work hard. So when it comes to business,
you know, that's when I can. I can, I can,
I can do what I have to do.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
In terms of that kill somebody I thought, SayMore, say
no more, say no more, do the same, say no more.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
No. You know I can. I can do what I
need to do business wise, but otherwise, man, you know,
there's a reason, there's a reason my my band and
crew has been with me for you know, as long
as most of them have. And it's not because I
walk around acting like that, you know, in our crew.
It just in a very parallel way, like we've all
(32:47):
been together like twenty years. Yeah, you know, from small town,
one town radio show in Texas to you know, growing
the thing and they say the same thing I say
about you, that I look like somebody's really awesome and
and strong. Yeah. Man, that was a great time for
everybody just to chime in. Yeah, I got him, got
(33:08):
him trained right there. He is very strong, great leader. Yes,
thank Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Uh, just a couple more questions for you were at
I was at the record store yesterday and the whole
thing was to find these five albums that have influenced you.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
And I've worked in all different kinds of music.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I grew up in Arkansas, so definitely old school country
before new school country. And so they're like, hey, what
albums are they and we went through and it's like
the Nirvana Unplugged album and there was Casey Musgrave, same trailer,
different part.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There's a Steve Martin record. Because you know, I do
a lot of comedy. For you, If you were to
pick a couple or a few records that really kind
of define who you aren't have to be your favorite,
but really have kind of made you the artist that
you are. Who what would they be. It's almost an.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Impossible question, by the way, because I felt so dumb
because they were like pick five and.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I was like, I have like twenty. That is how
you actually stump somebody in music. You're like, uh, you know,
I would say. The first thing that popped into my
head and just because it's the first thing I can
I can remember like it moving me musically was the
Poncho and Lefty record William Merle did. That was the
(34:22):
first memory I've had of music, like, oh my god,
that just did something to me. I don't know what
it did, but I need more of it. That was
my first memory. There, you know, another let's see that record.
What record do you think you lests to do the
most in your whole life? My whole life probably Rodney
Krow's Fate's Right Hand. I think that's the most complete
(34:45):
record to me I've ever owned. If I had to
take one, let let's put it that way. I've had
to take one record with me for the rest of
my life, and it wouldn't be Merle Haggard, it wouldn't
be Metallica. It would be Rodney Crowe's Fate's right Hand.
I think fit that record. I've never heard a record
in body, A life of presence, a longing to forget
(35:12):
the stupid stuff you've done and try to be better. Yeah,
there you go, Rodney, I got to meet He's lovely.
You guys got a bunch of money across shows. Yeah,
I mean when we worked at Emmy Television, he would
be there about I just wanted to a bunch of shows. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
We lived in Texas for a long wait. We all
met and like formed in Texas. Same as you were,
exactly the same as you. Time to say, me and
you were the same person. I thought I was just
like looking at looking movie arm. Yeah it's weird the glasses. Bobby,
just grow a beard and that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I know you just needed a few more tattoos. You've
got a good start. Yeah, I got a couple of
My tattoos are like Barney the Dinosaur and there's like
a dead human. Yeah, I got, I got, I got
some these are like awesome and dice. There's are dice
and mine's like, oh look a flower. I love that.
And I was all right, No, your tattoos are your tattoos, man.
You know those are whatever they are to you. I
(36:05):
do have a lot of skulls. I don't know how
many skulls I have tattooed on me, but there are many.
I have none.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I know.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You can't believe that I have no skulls. Skulls Okay,
we'll go together at one time. Those skulls and no nipples.
Do you have a nipples tattoed on you? On a woman?
Do I do? I have a nipple tattooed on me? Yeah,
like a topless one with with nipples. Interesting, I don't
I have. I have tattoos all over my chest. No,
but like I'm not on my air breasted because I
would say, like birs on my bare breasted women. Okay,
I got you know, I don't know. There's nothing. There's
(36:33):
nothing on my body that that you don't have any
new new other nipples. No, is that question makes sense? Now? Okay?
Like do I have my nipples tattoo? That's a weird question.
Maybe that too, No, I don't. I don't have any
any like, uh, naked female forms on my my body.
I just felt that was weird that in the naked
the truck flaps, I got my CDL two for a
(36:57):
while I was driving truck. Yeah, a long story. Yeah, yeah,
but I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
The truck flops that have naked women laying on them.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
The silhouette of yes, yes, it's very classy.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
And when the testicles hang down. Yeah, the trailer hitch,
the trailer hitch.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Things I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, that's kind of funny to me. I'll be honest
that one. I don't have a problem so that the
naked female silhouette bothers you. But the balls, the balls, Yeah, yeah,
all right, it is what it is. I am am.
Just two final questions.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
So you're it's amazing to watch what you've built, and
I think it's an inspiration to so many artists.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Uh, you're also going to go out with Luke Combs.
When you get that call, do you have to think
because that's not really what I would picture together.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
But also I don't picture it a part now that
it makes sense once you kind of see you guys together.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
What was that decision like, Oh, it was an easy
decision to make. Just we played with Luke about a
year and a half ago one show, and uh man,
he was great there. They're great. And just because I've
done things the way that I've done things doesn't mean
that I don't have friends in the mainstream, you know,
I have. I have a lot of friends in the mainstream.
And you know, Luke and his whole organization was really
(38:14):
really great, uh to to my people, to us when
we played and they said, hey, you know, you want
to do a stretch of show stadium shows with us?
And I was like, yeah, man, you know, like they
were really they were really really kind to us. And
you know, I didn't have to say yes if they
you know, if they hadn't been, you know, so kind,
I wouldn't have said yes. But they were. They were
(38:36):
wonderful to work with. So we look forward to Man,
we're we're grateful, we're honored to be out there. You know,
obviously that guy's on top of the world right now,
and he's a really he's a really sweet guy. He's
a genuine dude. You just signed your first artist on
your label. Yeah, who was that? Her name's Aaron Vincourt.
She wants to do it the road dog way. She
wants to get out on the road and go do
(38:58):
the grassroots things. She kind of kind of likes the
model that I did, and I was like, man, this
is not the easy way to do it. But she's like,
but it works, you know. I was like, it does
if you can put up with it long enough. But
she's outstanding, man, She's she's she's got the whole package,
all the boxes checked. Man. She is just a sweet human.
(39:18):
She's an amazing singer, an amazing songwriter, she works her
ass off, just all the tangibles that that that you're
looking for in anybody. Man. You know, she is that
so couldn't be you know, she's my only artist other
than you know, my my own stuff's on there. But
couldn't be more proud to represent such a She's just
(39:39):
a great person and I think she's going to be
kicking ass a long time.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Well, I appreciate you coming in. You know this, this
for me has been super cool. Thanks I thought maybe
you would go like, I don't I hate that dude.
You know what, here we are. I've been a big
fan for a while, so for me, this is cool.
I'm super pumped. When they were like he'll come in,
I thought it was a joke.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I was like, he he likes me. They're like, no,
he doesn't know who you are. I was like, oh, okay,
that's cool. Yeah is that good?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Okay, it doesn't hate me then, but really, just a
big fan. Love how you've built your entire empire, and
we'll keep following me. Congratulations and we'll prote a new
record when it comes out early next year. Yeah, I
can't wait for all the songs and love your music. Man,
Thank you, Thank you all so much.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Appreciate your time and man, glad to be here with you,
and I hope you'll have a great rest of your day.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Man, there is Cody Jams. Yeah, thanks for listening to
a Bobby Cast production.
Dude, I'm a punk, I'm a country guy and a
rock guy. But everything we've done, everything I've done over
the past twenty five years has been pumped.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Episode four twenty four with Cody Jinks, which we've been
working on getting Cody on this for a while, and
we were up in the studio and they were like, hey,
he's gonna come by. We were like, well, we're in
the studio, so come on bye, So you'll hear the
show later on in kind of pipe in because we're
all just sitting here hanging out, so pretty pumped about this.
Let's play the new single Outlaws and Mustangs.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
We won't hit the Highway just here in the nine.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
For those that don't know, Cody Jinks sounds nothing like
he looks not at all. Cody Jinks was a thrash
metal guy, but who grew up listening to country, who
toured thrash metal, which has got to be rough.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's like, I don't want to do this anymore. Takes
a big long break, gets a real job.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Was like, I want to go back and do country,
but it's extremely like authentic. Mostly I would be like somebody, no,
it's it's just real because he's still the same dude,
and you see him and you don't question anything. So
here has changed the game. A new song from Cody Jinks.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Some said I'd never made you get that out, didn't
do things right. So I showed him who louds.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And you may know the song Loud and Heavy, which
was written with his infant son, and we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
But here you go under between joy him time.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So based in Texas, Cody Jinks really known as an
independent artist, one of these guys who's been doing it
for a long time. But it's really really caught like
mainstream fire in the past few years. But even before
he caught mainstream fire, he was still like number one
album like, he has such a cult following that finally
people just had to acknowledge it because I don't think
he's doing anything any different. It's just grown so big
that if you keep ignoring it, you're just the idiot.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, would you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
State?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So he's touring all next year, but he's also doing
some dates with Luke Combs on the state tour, which
is pretty cool. He grew up in Fort Worth. You know,
his dad taught him how to play guitar. Early taught
him how to play some riffs and stuff, started a label.
Now we'll talk about that. And you know, he's had
a lot of different jobs. He worked in steel freight, docs, restaurants, retail,
(02:16):
chain stores, bars, and full time musician.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And let's do it here. It is waited for a
while for this one. Enjoy. By the way, if you
don't know what he looks like, I'm gonna long beer.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I would say, like Jim the Anvil Nighthard. If you're
like eighties wrestling. If you're like seventies, I would say
zz Top. If you're like nineties, I would say zz
Top from the seventies. H yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
Cody Jinks, here you go.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
What's up, dude, come on in? Have you see Oh yeah,
we'll fling up. I think we stunned them with the clapping.
You get right there. Yeah, he didn't expect to see
all of you guys. Yeah, what's up? Man? Welcome Cody.
Good to talk to you, buddy. Hi guys, it's good
to be here. Thank you very much. I'm good. I'm good.
How are y'all? We're pretty good? Are you a Dallas Cowboys?
I am good? I'm a Rangers fan. Okay, so that's good.
(03:03):
Then that's positive. Yeah, we we just did it. You
did it in like twelve years of heartbreak since the
last I mean, I remember where I was when we
lost Game seven, like in twenty eleven. Where were you.
I was playing a show at a really small venue.
It was a cigar bar, and they actually told us
not to play so we could watch the game. And
we still got.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Paid, so you didn't even have to play and it
was your team. Yeah, dang, I went, that's crazy, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm a big Cups fan.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And when we finally won the World Series, it was
the night of the CMA's and I was supposed to
be part of the production, but they had it once
in nineteen oh eight, and for me, it was a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You're gonna be on CBS and I was like, guys,
I can't come. I have to stay home and watch
Game seven.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And they thought it was the weirdest thing that I
wanted to stay home and watch a baseball game rather
than be on a TV show. And then we won
the World Series to beat the Indians.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It was awesome. I'd say you won. I mean, I
would say I won too. You did it?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, congratulations, that's really cool on the Rangers, thank you.
But yes, I am a Cowboys Eddi's a massive Cowboys fans.
She's had a tough week.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Okay where he's got the got the cap on. It
was a tough week, but I mean you feel good, right, yeah?
You know it could have been much worse, and frankly,
I thought it would be worse. You know, we were
playing the uh, the Eagles, but yeah, no, it could
have been worse. We're good. I don't think we're gonna
take it this year, but we're good. We're good. I
(04:19):
hope so better future on him. Yeah, man, come on,
And I'm not a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I like Cowboys now because Jerry Jones has been super
nice to us and allowed us to come and hang
out with him and do stuff. But you know, I
put a little something on there early in the season,
so I need him to, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Let's do it. Hey. I hope for for your sake
and my sake as a fan that yeah, you win
lots of whatever it is your exactly. Yes, big sports
guy in general, huh Baseball and football predominantly, yeah, you
know those two mostly uh college and and pro stuff,
(04:55):
but not so much hockey. I like basketball pretty good. Yeah,
I like sports.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
When we're off in towns, we try to go see games.
How would you define the difference between Dallas and fort Worth.
You're from fort Worth, right, yeah, at least near fort Worth? Yes,
for because DFW is considered to a people from afar
the same. It's even called freaking DFW. But there is
a difference. And what is fort Worth about?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Uh, it's a great question. They're they're really really different.
Dallas is kind of more one of those towns. If
you go, if somebody's like, I'm from Dallas, you know,
ask originally. Fort Worth is like they're going to tell
you I'm from fort Worth. You know. It's it's it's
a different machine. You wouldn't think that, you know, in
(05:43):
the thirty five miles apart, and so that's not too far,
but you wouldn't think they'd be as different as they are.
They're drastically different. You want to pump the brakes man,
go to fort.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Worth's You're right, it's it's definitely I feel more comfortable
fort Worth.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's a little slower.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, it feels like there'd be more horses there.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Would that be accurate and less shiny shirts. It's well
over the last twenty years. I mean I used to
bartend in the North Side and like where Billy Bobb's
is and stuff like that. So over the last twenty years,
I've definitely seen it get a little more sparkly, you know.
And that's okay. It's very cosmopolitan there now, yeah, but
(06:23):
you know it's still home and there's there's still that
it's a big city, you know, with a smaller town feel.
You still get that too. Do you get to write
on the road much or are you just on the road,
And because I'll tour and travel, but I'm a comedian
and I'm just tired while I'm on the road all
the time. Can you ride on the road or do
(06:45):
you ride at home? Both? I don't ride as much
on the road as I do at home. I I
do more writing, like I'm writing. I'm writing a book
right now, so I do more riding like that on
the road that I songwriting. I'm off right now. We
just played Illinois on on Saturday, and so I've been
(07:07):
here in town just writing songs, do some co written
and stuff the last couple of days. But I do
I do most of my writing at home, I would say,
is the co.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Writing stuff, and how Nashville does it different than how
you traditionally have written.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes and no no in that Back when I was younger,
you know, twenty years ago, when I when I first
got started in the country thing, the first rights I
did were kind of more Nashville thematic, you know, more
of a structure. And over the years I've gotten to
(07:46):
know people that it's very it's it's a lot more organic.
I don't I don't do like right times and walk
into an office.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
To like a calendar and address and you're gonna show
up to two other people you never met before.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, Like I have to hang out with people and like, hey, man,
you're cool. You're cool, all right, you know I think, man,
I could probably ride with you know that person. So,
you know, I kind of base it off that we
keep it pretty loose. And I have a big ranch
out in the middle of nowhere in Texas. So my
wife and I had a guest house built, so we
always have all kind of wild and crazy people coming
(08:19):
by to ride. It's kind of like Forrest Gump's house,
you know, like there were always people coming in and
out all of interesting nature. Your wife has been with
you since like teenage years. First show I ever played,
she was there when I was seventeen.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So if she's at your first show, was she just
happen Did she just happen to be at a random
show or did she know that you were going to
be there and she was gonna go watch you play?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
No, we had been dating at that point already, and
we had actually we were having an intermission. It was
our junior year in dating and dating. Yeah, we're having
a brief intermission, but she still came to the first
show that I ever played, and that was that was
several thousand shows ago. But yeah, we've been married nineteen
(09:03):
together twenty six, so's she's seen everything. She's been in
this business as long as I have. What would you
tell somebody it's marrying or getting in a relationship with
an artist or somebody that travels a lot. My wife
and I were dealing with this now because she doesn't
work and entertainment at all. I'm gone a lot, so
we're having to kind of adjust together to me trying
not to be gone as much in her to me
(09:23):
being gone all the time. What advice would you give
to a couple that's going through this, it's the same
advice I'd give to any couple. Marriage is one hundred hundred.
It's not fifty to fifty, you know it. I got
to know my kids when COVID hit, and one of
them is a teenager. So it tells you how much
I was gone over the years. Yeah, it's you make
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time for the things that you want to do. So
if you wanted to have a family, you know, you
take care of them. A lot of understanding, of a
lot of compassion, a lot of empathy going both ways.
You know, what I do is extremely tough, but you
know what my wife has to deal with because something
always goes wrong. You probably this probably happens to you
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or any of you guys that travel a great deal.
The air conditioner is going to go out right when
you leave, right when you're gone, and then here furthest
point away, one of the kids is going to get sick.
This will all happen simultaneously. You know, they will be
scheduled to have their tonsils out and you will not
be there, you know. So I mean, just that's real life.
And understand that when I come home, it's not just
(10:32):
good time, like dad coming home. You know, it's like, hey, kids,
you know, I totally come home like the Tasmanian Devil
and mess up their program.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's funny, Like you're not in the everyday program. So
it's like you're just Dad's here and it's awesome, but
you're kind of a different element.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, it did it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Make you want to be home? You say you met
your kid really for the first time during COVID. Did
it make you want to be home more?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah? Actually, after COVID hit and I realized that, you know,
we were okay, like as a band in a crew
and all the office people and warehouse people and stuff,
we were okay. Nobody missed a paycheck. And so when
we came out of the COVID thing, we didn't tour
for a year and a half, just like everybody else didn't.
When we finally came back out and started playing again,
(11:19):
I said, you know, I only want to do about
sixty shows a year anymore. And you know, I'm done.
I'm done doing it like we did it, you know
back in the day. You know, we fly in, jump
on the bus, two or three days, fly home, and
that that works a lot better. You know, and all
the guys in the band you know that have kids
(11:40):
are in their forties and fifties. Now, we've all been
doing this a long time, and so trying to be
at home, you know, especially the teenage years, you know,
and and you know we miss so much of their
early childhood. So not trying to make up or atone
for anything, just be more present, you know, like we're
more successful, we've been doing a long time. We don't
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have to be on the road too in her days
a year.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Do you feel like there's been a shift in country
we'll say country music for for just more authenticity, maybe
not even for a style, but just for more like
let's just keep it real and be who you really are.
Do you feel like that's happened and that's been beneficial
to you.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
In your career? Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I and
I can cite some people that, like you said, it's
more style and not just uh, it's it's authenticity. It
doesn't matter if it's if it's somebody like like Zach
Bryan or Ashley McBride. I think those two people specifically
are to the the hottest things and you know, biggest
you know, badasses can you say that again, that one's acceptable. Yes, cool,
(12:44):
all right, just making sure my mom. If my mom's listening,
I will get in trouble. You cursed on the radio.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But you know, there's a there's a lot of people
and I think it's just uh, it's real. It's it's authenticity,
it's it's it's not it's not the status quo as
to what we've known for the I guess probably the
better part of the last twenty years. So it's it's
definitely helped my career and you know, I feel like
in a lot of ways, you know, I've kind of
helped with that. And you know, I'm not gonna sit
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here and be like, you know, you know, we did
it this way and people should do it this way
or YadA, YadA, YadA. It's you get you get to
the crowd. If you try to get to the crowd,
and you're gonna find them, and they're going to find
you if it's real, and you know, that's all we've
ever tried to do.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I've often said about your career that you're one of
the guys that before all the platforms allowed people to
find their rightful audiences. We'll call them highways that you know,
you were you were proving that you didn't have to
do it the way everybody else does it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
To do it, it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Might be harder, it might be different, but yeah, you're
one of those stories where if you just do it
and you believe it and you're good, eventually you're gonna
find an audience. Is that just from playing shows NonStop?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Do you think? Yeah? It was definitely the grassroots thing,
staying on the road when we were you know, I
jumped on the road full time at twenty six and
I didn't come up for air until I was forty,
you know, so we we spent really fifteen years just
hammering the road and building a grassroots effort. And you know,
(14:18):
I can remember shows where, you know, the first time
I played Wichita, Kansas, there were four people. The first
time I played Madison, Wisconsin, there were four people. That's
you know, it's as many guys on stage as there
are in the crowd. So building it that way was
much tougher. You know, we didn't ever go with a
record deal, so instead of you know, getting an advance
(14:38):
up front from a record company, you know, we gambled
on ourselves to you know, have the opportunity to make
money later, just because I owned everything. I've owned my
you know, publishing, So you give up stuff when you
get that record company carrot dangled in front of your face.
(15:00):
He said, first, you know, a couple million looks good,
and you got to pay all that stuff back. So
we just did it ourselves, and I figured if we
were getting in. I saw how streamings were going, and
I kept thinking, Man, if it keeps moving like this
and we build a really underground audience and keep going
to see him like we would be fine. It would
just take us longer.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Did you feel like there was a moment or a
song or an album that really propelled it more than
the other years or was it just a gradual build
where you really couldn't feel like an instant impact.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yes and no, both both. I would say the record
specifically would be Adobe Sessions. We put that out in fifteen.
That was really kind of a turning point for us
on that record, But I didn't even realize that it
was until years after, because we just put our heads
down and just worked. Like like I said, I didn't
(15:56):
come up for air until I was forty. I didn't
I didn't realize how good a shait we were in
once we were forced into a break, like financially, financially,
I didn't realize because like we were just working and
working and working and just saving the money, just throwing
it back in the bank. And you know, I've always
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just invested in myself. I've always invested in my people.
I employed thirty two people, you know, I invest in them.
I want them to do better. You know. That that
was that was really nice to be able to open
my eyes one day and go because like everybody freaked
out at first, you know, and a lot of bands
weren't getting paid and it was tough, you know. And
(16:40):
I saw a lot of really good bands go through
a lot of really hard times, you know. And fortunately
because of the way we did it, being a late
bloomer kind of kind of paid off for us. Your
dad musical, Yeah, my mom and dad both My dad
taught me to play long Black Veil the lefty for
zilver Is when I was fifteen, and uh it that
(17:03):
was the first song you learned. That's first song I learned. Yeah,
and uh I learned my first three chords and then
it was off to the races. But I grew up
in the Church of Christ. So we didn't have musical
instrumentation when I was a kid in the church, and
uh there was all a cappella. So we learned how
to harmonize and listen to each other, which ultimately being
in a band has ironically it served me served me
(17:27):
better not having music and learning how to sing. And
then it's probably an accidentally great education. Yeah, accidental great end. Yeah, yeah,
I've had some accidental not so great with It's still
in education though, Yeah, it's still it is. You still learn.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, So you were playing guitar fifteen or sixteen? What
music were you drawn to first? Did you go right
to metal?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
To rock? Was that what we were listening to? Countries
is my first love. It's always been punk and metal
are a real close second. I'm gonna lump them together
because I mean, like, dude, I'm I'm a punk. Like
there's no you know, I'm a I'm a country guy
and a rock guy. But everything we've done, everything I've
done over the past twenty five years has been punk.
(18:13):
That's that's just what I am. It's it's what I do,
it's how I do it. I listen to all of them,
you know, those are those are my those are my
main my main stays. You know, it's to me. You know,
it doesn't get better than than Merle Haggard and Metallica.
I kind of Revere, you know, those two kind of
(18:39):
right up there on the on the Mount Rushmore, and
then you know big punk guy Social Distortion and and
you know Ramones, big Ramones fan. You know, I think
that they got a lot of stuff going that ultimately
helped me in my music. If you look at some
of my biggest songs, they're they're punk. Real.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
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Speaker 1 (19:15):
You ever spit on the crowd? No, that's what I
think about, Like CGS.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
No, and that's a punk right there, like your counterculture
for sure, and you've done it the punk away. But
I think a punk, I think I like them, is
spinning and pooba on people like yeah, just letting.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Them have Yeah. No, I never got like that because
here's the thing. I wouldn't want that that done to me,
you know, And I'm not very big, So if I
spit on the wrong dude, I'm probably gonna get my
butt whipped. So uh No, we we just uh, everything
but the spitting and the defecating on stage. Everything but
(19:51):
everything but that, everything else except drugs. We don't do
those anymore either, So we're actually very boring now, so
loud and heavy. So the song all was written with
your infant son. Can you tell me that story? Yeah,
we were, uh we were driving down the road. It
was his second birthday and I was off the road
at the time, and uh, all he wanted to do was, uh,
(20:12):
go see tractors. So I drove him down to the
nearest uh uh tractor store, tractor supplier, and he was
like two, you know, and he wanted to just sit
on it and go room. And uh it started raining
really really heavy, and just said he was sitting back
(20:33):
there in his car seat and he said, lout under
heavy rain. Out under heavy rain. I grabbed my phone
and I just hit the voice memo and I just
did the I mean, just exactly like it's on the record,
wout under heavy rain, and just hit stop. Went to
the tractor store. Rain led up a little bit. He
played for a second, and then I was like, all right, buddy,
ready to go. It's like I gotta write this song.
(20:55):
Went home, wrote the song Oh Sorry, I forgot I
had on Mike went Home. I wrote the song about
forty five minutes, and you know, it was it was,
you know, it was kind of a funny saying this
business business, a word gets a third, you know. But
there was only you know, two of us there. So
I actually gave him half of the writing on it.
(21:17):
So he's eleven now, but he doesn't he doesn't realize
how much money that song's made. He won't because yeah,
he's gonna have to. We told both of our kids,
because my daughter's got a couple of writing credits too,
as that's my wife. And we told our kids it's like, no, no,
you don't get that. No, you go to school or
(21:39):
you get a job. You get that when you're older,
like eighteen twenty one, uh, maybe older than the five.
We don't want to have little turds, little trust fund turds.
My wife and I grew up without much, so we're
trying to, you know, teach him. Hey man, this is
more about hard work than it is about anything else.
(22:00):
New songs, outlaws and mustangs. Yeah, so why why had
that as the new single? I really had to fight
for that song. I released my last record two years ago.
It was called Mercy, and we had tried to record
Outlaws and Mustangs on the Mercy record. It just wasn't jobbing.
What do you mean, It wasn't Jiva. We couldn't. We
had a lead live, a lead hook for it. That
(22:22):
just it sounded really corny to me. And it was
towards the end of the session, so we were all
pretty burned out and brain dead, and so we weren't
giving it the full attention we needed. So we ended
up scrapping it. And it took me, you know, till
we go back in for this recording cycle to get
atonement for that song. We were able to go in
(22:43):
and I said, guys, I said, throw out everything that
you played before. I said, we're starting the song over.
And we like, sonically or lyrically or oh no, not
lyrically lyrically were we kept all the same lyrics, got
it all the same lyrics that lyrics were there. I
did sing it a little bit differently, and I think
that that kind of spurred the band to uh to
(23:03):
play it a little bit differently as well, and it
just kind of fit. So I felt really really good
about that, felt like like I said, like, I had
a tonement for that when I was two years waiting
to make that song right. We were starting to talk
singles for this new record, and it was like, are
we really going to take the song that we could
not get right on the last record and like it
(23:25):
just now it shines, you know, so it's like, yeah,
let's let's do it, man.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Like.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So that was the first one we put out. I
wrote that with my friend Tennessee Jet. And that's his name,
Tennessee Jet. Yeah, TJ McFarland. He's one of the one
of the best writers I know. He's an Oklahoma boy
and his name's Tennessee Jet. Now we got a pause.
Why is his name Tennessee Jet? He's from Oklahoma, TJ.
If you're listening, But we we got questions. Bro. I
(23:51):
never I've been friends with him for years. I've never
thought of that. Not one time I thought that. But
so we don't know the answer to that. I have Okay,
we'll put a pen in that one. Yeah, no, No,
he's one of my favorite writers. I saw him play
for the first time years and years ago, and and
just like man, we've been writing songs ever since. And
(24:14):
I told him about a movie that I'd seen with
Kevin Costner and Woody Harrelson called The Highwaymen, where they
were playing the police officers that tracked down Bonnie and Clyde,
and there was a line in the movie Kevin Costner said,
Outlaws and Mustangs always come home. They were trying to
track and kind of figure out where Bonnie and Clyde
were going to go, you know, I figured out their pattern.
(24:37):
And so I called TJ and I said, I said, hey, man,
you need to watch this movie and listen for this line,
and then let's write a song called Outlaws and Mustangs.
And he's like, cool, I'll watch it. I saw he
watched it that night or the next night and said
skip a day. So I called him one one evening,
skip that next day, and then he called me next day.
He said, hey, man, I think I got something, and
(24:57):
he said, I'm gonna send it over to you. He
sent me the whole song and I said, basically, I
just wrote the title. TJ. He said, yeah, but is
there anything you want to change in the song. And
I was like, no, it's fantastic. I'm not changing it.
I could go screw it up. I could try to
change it and be like, well I had to get no,
it is perfect, you know. So that was a happy accident.
(25:18):
And thank you again to TJ for you know, his friendship.
But also man, I get stuck and he's one of
my first calls on a song for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
How often is it that you write a song and
then you feel like, well it's not done, and then
you go back and you fix it, and then it's
actually fixed? Because I think all those are different things,
because sometimes maybe like we don't want to go back
to the song, or sometimes you just don't ever fix it.
How often does all that happen where you do go
back and it is a success.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You know, I don't know the answer to that, maybe
for anybody else. For us, we normally grind on a
song until we get it. If we know the songs there,
we'll we'll work on one song for twelve hours.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
We don't do things like you know a lot a
lot of people use session musicians and you know, go
in and they'll lay a whole record down in a day.
You know, it took us five months to make this record.
We go in, I mean, we're we're a regular band,
so we'll spend all day on a damn song if
we need to. Do you ever write while you're recording?
(26:24):
Absolutely doesn't. Do you have your own studio, I don't.
It doesn't make sense where I live.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It feels expensive to write while I'm recording because I
gotta run out the freaking studio.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I normally write while we're recording while the band is
laying stuff down. I don't need to be there for
So what I'll do is I'll know that. Let's say,
you know Josh, our bass player, he produces our stuff
as well. He'll tell me, Hey, Cody, we're gonna be
laying down, you know whatever whatever on Tuesday from like
(26:58):
basically you have noon to you have noon to six
o'clock off Tuesday. I'll call some writers and I'll be like, hey, man,
can you come over to the studio between you know
whatever time on get it? This new record about to
drop has three songs on it that were written in
the studio, and that record comes out early next year.
It does early next year, and how many what is
(27:18):
your what is your theory even if it's new on albums,
what an album should be?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Or how many songs a double out? You know, everybody's
different now Some artists are much more single based. Some
are let's do forty seven songs in an album. What
what what are you about?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Dumping content? I just get it out there, you know.
I love I think the single thing is cool. I
think the EP thing is cool, the six pack thing
is cool. However you can deliver music to people is cool.
It's art. Just get it out there, you know. I personally,
I'm pretty old school. I think the concept of a
(27:55):
of a really great record, you know, let's say full
lengthd you know, eight, ten, twelve, fourteens, whatever, you know,
just a great record in and of itself that you
can put on your turntable. Let the whole thing play.
When the needle goes up, flip it over, let the
whole thing play again. That's what I'm really into, you know,
(28:15):
like trimming all the fat, you know, nothing on the
you know, this record we've got now that we're sitting on,
you know, I think we've got We're obviously not gonna
do twelve singles, but we've got just a ton to
choose from on this record. Just because I wanted everything
to be in all records, you know, I just love
the concept of a great record. Put it on let
it play. You know, no fat, you know, every song's
(28:37):
got to be great.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I went to Grimey's yesterday, which is a record store
here in town. It's like old school, and I was
shooting a show, a TV show, and they asked me, like,
your five best most influential albums, right, vinyl? And part
of the thing though, was they were just shooting some
beat roll of me looking through vinyl the albums. Man,
you kind of forget how awesome just the imagery was
(28:58):
because everything was bigger, like on an album cover. Sometimes
we don't ever see pictures because we're just we're just digital.
When you put art in an album, like visual arts,
is that important to you?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yes? And why it is for the same reason you know,
we're we're somewhere in the same age category, you know.
So I remember, like, like you said, the word big,
when you're holding that vinyl, holding that LP like it
possesses power. When you're a kid, there's so much, there's
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so much to look at and so much to see,
and then you open it up and you want to
read the liner notes and you want to so and
so played on this this record or this song and
this was recorded at such and such studio I heard it,
you know, or so and so was a guest on
this record, or you know, just all of those little
things that us music nerds, you know, look at and
(29:56):
love to see. And that's what we've just been discussing
on on our upcoming record. I wanted the outside to
really reflect like what our band is on the outside,
and then I wanted when you opened it up to
really reflect what we are on the inside, you know,
is you know, we do things our own way, and
(30:17):
we've we've we've designed that model on on on purpose
and oftentimes we're we're probably considered pretty enigmatic as a unit,
like how do these guys tick? Because most of my
guys have been with me for a long long time.
But it's really the sweetest group of people on the road,
you know, and we kind of wanted the album to
convey that, and the album artwork as well, you know that.
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Like I said, you open the front up, you look
at the front. It's very very tough looking, and then
you open it up, and I wanted it to look vulnerable.
I wanted it to you know, be actually a picture
of the band smiling, or you know, a collage of
pictures or whatever of us just having a good time
and being normal, and we've tried to let people see
(31:03):
that side of us a little bit more the last
few years. We've tried to be a little more accessible.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I guess the Bobby cast will be right back. This
is the Bobby cast.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
You don't look like somebody that I would go, that's
a really nice kind guy. But when you meet you,
you go, this dude's warm and like. I like you
because I followed your career for a while. You got
a big beard. I'm like, this dude probably shank me. However,
as soon as you walked in, I was like, Oh,
you're actually very soft and easy to talk to. I
(31:45):
bet you probably have people tell you that a lot
that don't know you. Yeah, people would assume oftentimes I
walk around my house with my cowboy hat and my
sunglasses on or you know, I think that's stabbing something
though too, probably mad yelling or throwing things. No, you know,
we're we're pretty we're pretty laid back. We're pretty chill.
(32:08):
We have to work hard. So when it comes to business,
you know, that's when I can. I can, I can,
I can do what I have to do.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
In terms of that kill somebody I thought, SayMore, say
no more, say no more, do the same, say no more.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
No. You know I can. I can do what I
need to do business wise, but otherwise, man, you know,
there's a reason, there's a reason my my band and
crew has been with me for you know, as long
as most of them have. And it's not because I
walk around acting like that, you know, in our crew.
It just in a very parallel way, like we've all
(32:47):
been together like twenty years. Yeah, you know, from small town,
one town radio show in Texas to you know, growing
the thing and they say the same thing I say
about you, that I look like somebody's really awesome and
and strong. Yeah. Man, that was a great time for
everybody just to chime in. Yeah, I got him, got
(33:08):
him trained right there. He is very strong, great leader. Yes,
thank Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Uh, just a couple more questions for you were at
I was at the record store yesterday and the whole
thing was to find these five albums that have influenced you.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
And I've worked in all different kinds of music.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I grew up in Arkansas, so definitely old school country
before new school country. And so they're like, hey, what
albums are they and we went through and it's like
the Nirvana Unplugged album and there was Casey Musgrave, same trailer,
different part.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There's a Steve Martin record. Because you know, I do
a lot of comedy. For you, If you were to
pick a couple or a few records that really kind
of define who you aren't have to be your favorite,
but really have kind of made you the artist that
you are. Who what would they be. It's almost an.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Impossible question, by the way, because I felt so dumb
because they were like pick five and.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I was like, I have like twenty. That is how
you actually stump somebody in music. You're like, uh, you know,
I would say. The first thing that popped into my
head and just because it's the first thing I can
I can remember like it moving me musically was the
Poncho and Lefty record William Merle did. That was the
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first memory I've had of music, like, oh my god,
that just did something to me. I don't know what
it did, but I need more of it. That was
my first memory. There, you know, another let's see that record.
What record do you think you lests to do the
most in your whole life? My whole life probably Rodney
Krow's Fate's Right Hand. I think that's the most complete
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record to me I've ever owned. If I had to
take one, let let's put it that way. I've had
to take one record with me for the rest of
my life, and it wouldn't be Merle Haggard, it wouldn't
be Metallica. It would be Rodney Crowe's Fate's right Hand.
I think fit that record. I've never heard a record
in body, A life of presence, a longing to forget
(35:12):
the stupid stuff you've done and try to be better. Yeah,
there you go, Rodney, I got to meet He's lovely.
You guys got a bunch of money across shows. Yeah,
I mean when we worked at Emmy Television, he would
be there about I just wanted to a bunch of shows. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
We lived in Texas for a long wait. We all
met and like formed in Texas. Same as you were,
exactly the same as you. Time to say, me and
you were the same person. I thought I was just
like looking at looking movie arm. Yeah it's weird the glasses. Bobby,
just grow a beard and that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I know you just needed a few more tattoos. You've
got a good start. Yeah, I got a couple of
My tattoos are like Barney the Dinosaur and there's like
a dead human. Yeah, I got, I got, I got
some these are like awesome and dice. There's are dice
and mine's like, oh look a flower. I love that.
And I was all right, No, your tattoos are your tattoos, man.
You know those are whatever they are to you. I
(36:05):
do have a lot of skulls. I don't know how
many skulls I have tattooed on me, but there are many.
I have none.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I know.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You can't believe that I have no skulls. Skulls Okay,
we'll go together at one time. Those skulls and no nipples.
Do you have a nipples tattoed on you? On a woman?
Do I do? I have a nipple tattooed on me? Yeah,
like a topless one with with nipples. Interesting, I don't
I have. I have tattoos all over my chest. No,
but like I'm not on my air breasted because I
would say, like birs on my bare breasted women. Okay,
I got you know, I don't know. There's nothing. There's
(36:33):
nothing on my body that that you don't have any
new new other nipples. No, is that question makes sense? Now? Okay?
Like do I have my nipples tattoo? That's a weird question.
Maybe that too, No, I don't. I don't have any
any like, uh, naked female forms on my my body.
I just felt that was weird that in the naked
the truck flaps, I got my CDL two for a
(36:57):
while I was driving truck. Yeah, a long story. Yeah, yeah,
but I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
The truck flops that have naked women laying on them.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
The silhouette of yes, yes, it's very classy.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
And when the testicles hang down. Yeah, the trailer hitch,
the trailer hitch.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Things I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, that's kind of funny to me. I'll be honest
that one. I don't have a problem so that the
naked female silhouette bothers you. But the balls, the balls, Yeah, yeah,
all right, it is what it is. I am am.
Just two final questions.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
So you're it's amazing to watch what you've built, and
I think it's an inspiration to so many artists.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Uh, you're also going to go out with Luke Combs.
When you get that call, do you have to think
because that's not really what I would picture together.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
But also I don't picture it a part now that
it makes sense once you kind of see you guys together.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
What was that decision like, Oh, it was an easy
decision to make. Just we played with Luke about a
year and a half ago one show, and uh man,
he was great there. They're great. And just because I've
done things the way that I've done things doesn't mean
that I don't have friends in the mainstream, you know,
I have. I have a lot of friends in the mainstream.
And you know, Luke and his whole organization was really
(38:14):
really great, uh to to my people, to us when
we played and they said, hey, you know, you want
to do a stretch of show stadium shows with us?
And I was like, yeah, man, you know, like they
were really they were really really kind to us. And
you know, I didn't have to say yes if they
you know, if they hadn't been, you know, so kind,
I wouldn't have said yes. But they were. They were
(38:36):
wonderful to work with. So we look forward to Man,
we're we're grateful, we're honored to be out there. You know,
obviously that guy's on top of the world right now,
and he's a really he's a really sweet guy. He's
a genuine dude. You just signed your first artist on
your label. Yeah, who was that? Her name's Aaron Vincourt.
She wants to do it the road dog way. She
wants to get out on the road and go do
(38:58):
the grassroots things. She kind of kind of likes the
model that I did, and I was like, man, this
is not the easy way to do it. But she's like,
but it works, you know. I was like, it does
if you can put up with it long enough. But
she's outstanding, man, She's she's she's got the whole package,
all the boxes checked. Man. She is just a sweet human.
(39:18):
She's an amazing singer, an amazing songwriter, she works her
ass off, just all the tangibles that that that you're
looking for in anybody. Man. You know, she is that
so couldn't be you know, she's my only artist other
than you know, my my own stuff's on there. But
couldn't be more proud to represent such a She's just
(39:39):
a great person and I think she's going to be
kicking ass a long time.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Well, I appreciate you coming in. You know this, this
for me has been super cool. Thanks I thought maybe
you would go like, I don't I hate that dude.
You know what, here we are. I've been a big
fan for a while, so for me, this is cool.
I'm super pumped. When they were like he'll come in,
I thought it was a joke.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I was like, he he likes me. They're like, no,
he doesn't know who you are. I was like, oh, okay,
that's cool. Yeah is that good?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Okay, it doesn't hate me then, but really, just a
big fan. Love how you've built your entire empire, and
we'll keep following me. Congratulations and we'll prote a new
record when it comes out early next year. Yeah, I
can't wait for all the songs and love your music. Man,
Thank you, Thank you all so much.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Appreciate your time and man, glad to be here with you,
and I hope you'll have a great rest of your day.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Man, there is Cody Jams. Yeah, thanks for listening to
a Bobby Cast production.
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