In the final episode of the first batch of season 2, Kevin sits down with independent artist Royale Lynne. Royale is originally from Canada, and she and Kevin talk about the Visa she has to obtain in order to stay in Nashville! Plus, Royale talks about creating her own genre which she calls 'Punktry', playing as a Hannah Montana cover as a child, opening for Luke Combs this summer, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
We're back for another episode of Unsigned and Independent with
Old Kevin O'Connell aka Kickoff Kevin.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Who's the artist Kevin?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We got Royal Linn in on this week.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Royal Len sounds very regal.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, it's a Canadian.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's probably why it sounds regal.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Canadians are very nice. Once I was in Toronto and
I was lost, and I have my phone up and
I was trying to find this place on the map
and I thought I was about to be mugged. And
the person was like, can I help you find your place?
And I was like, well, you might be the nicest
mucker ever. They saw me struggling.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And so Royal Lynn.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Tell me a little bit about Royal Lan because I'm
assuming Royal Lyn is a female.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, okay, so tell me about her.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
So she's got this sound to her and this look
to her called that she calls names it punk tree,
and it's kind of like a hearty feel to it.
It's got country lyrics but a punk rock sound to it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
And that's what drew me to her.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Awesome, wow, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Royal Lynn from Ontario, Canada, Canada, Nashville, twenty fifteen. Does
she play instrument like she is she a player too?
Like does she play and sing?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, guitar lead singer.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
She got a great band, she's got a great.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Look to her, and she's got a lot going on
this year.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Have you ever sang? Have you ever been a singer?
I have not? Are you a singer?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Depends how many drinks we have.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, I feel like you'd be the kind of guy
to surprise us and be like, well, actually I sang
in you know my high school cool?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I mean you did move all over Europe?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Right, Yeah, I've been to fourteen countries over there.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So it's like that's surprising, Like you didn't you live there? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I lived there for three months in Spain and done
a lot of traveling. But no, the whole instrument or
singing never really dabbled in that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There's always a surprise from you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well. Royal and Kevin talked about her first week in Nashville,
how she met Blake Shelton, She was around all these
major songwriters, didn't even realize what she was doing. It's
time and does she talk about because I know it's
a thing where people.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
That aren't from here are from here at her.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Visa, Yeah, that was the most interesting thing to me
that I found out. She has to have an oh
one vacher I don't want to say too much here,
and she has to have somebody here basically sign her
a waiver, almost like she is actually performing here, she
is actually playing here. I had to do that to
make sure she stays.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Here for Nikita Nikita Carmen, because I brought her here
from Australia to play with our band.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Really, so the label did that. I did both.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We had to make sure that she had like a sponsor, or,
Like I mean, I had to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, So it's a it's like they're her keeper.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah. And she's like, I don't know if I'm saying forever,
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
She's performing at the pre showtailgate party for Lucomb's Stadium
tour in July, and she thinks that everybody who moves
to Nashville she'd have to play on Broadway for a year.
You guys will talk about that, all right. There we go,
unsigned and independent. Here he is kick off Kevin with
Royal Lynn.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I want to dive right into your music. Actually usually
I kind of start with the backstory, but this time
I want to dive in your music because that's what
drew me to you, and you're what you call punk tree.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
It is?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
This is what I think of. When I came across
your Instagram page and I heard some of your music.
I think of like a hearty that's Hardy's Got the
Crow album and half of the album that's The Crow
and the Mockingbird and that Crow. That hardcore, but it's
still country. Lyrics are twisted in there, yes, so it
doesn't sound something you would normally hear and be like, oh,
this is country music and it's got a twist to it.
(03:20):
So I'm gonna play a quick clip right here, six
feet deep, and we'll kind of get into it from there.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Guy, love it?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
What is punk? Try to you?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Oh, So I grew up in the middle of nowhere
on a farm, but my favorite I loved country, but
I was so drawn to punk artists, like I was
a huge fan of like Some forty one and Simple Plan.
My first concert was Some forty one and Simple Plan.
And I've always been so drawn to music like a
data remember, But I also grew up in the country lifestyle.
So I was like, what if we had like a
(03:55):
hybrid and we called it punk Tree and like we
have T shirt it's now in hats and like, I
just I love the branding of it. It's it's so
special to me. And we have been compared to Hearty Lately,
which is like such an such an honor. Oh my goodness,
he's killing it. Yeah, and I loved I loved The
Mockingbird and the Crow. It's such a good album. But
the songwriting is there, and that's where the country genre
(04:18):
really shines through. Is like being able to write these
songs and they're written in such a country standpoint or
like the formation of a country song versus like a
rock song, which is you know, exciting. So doing the two,
I'm just like punctury is like it's a movement.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Mm hmm. So you're starting a new movement.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I don't know, I don't know. I like it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Is it hard to combine the two?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I mean you've had years of work at it, I'm sure,
But is it hard to kind of find that good
sound that you've been looking for?
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yes, So I've had to work with a bunch of
different track guys and writers even who understand the rock
world just as much as they understand the country world.
So there are a lot of rights that I'm in
where people are like, you know, up a pop top liner,
which is super exciting to me because then we're getting
different melodies in our writing and the way that they
say things. So I find it super interesting. I love
(05:08):
the way that country music is going right now because
it's opened such a door for alternative artists. And that
being said, like Nickelback is a huge inspiration of mine
and I love them so much. And to be able
to do heavy riffs at the top, like I would
have never known that we could do that until we
started working with track guys. So it's been a whole
(05:29):
new experience for me and finding like what I wanted
to say and how I wanted to sound as an artist.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Okay, it's unique, I'll say that, and it's great. It's
a good thing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
It's a really good thing because you can go out
there and you can hear it and you're like, wow,
I've never heard something like this, And do you get
that positive feedback from the fan base as a whole.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
For sure. I always said that I would love to
have a concert where we have a mosh pit. That
would be incredible.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I think I've been involved in maybe one or two
moshpits in my life. I was at the vands too,
I think I was like thirteen years old, and after
that I was like, yeah, I'm cool. I don't know
if I should do that again because it gets a
little crazy there. It does.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Pennywise, I want to say with.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
The pack, Oh my goodness, that would be so cool.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So it was wild.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But you talked about your upbringing and your first concert
and the music that you listened to. Were any of
your family into music growing up playing music or did
that something that you grabbed on your own and took
and ran with it?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
So no one in my family really did music per se.
My mom has had horses my entire life, so we
were always taught to ride, and my mom like I
was literally raised in a barn because my mom was
always in the barn but the horses. And it was
so incredible to be raised on on like good country
values and to be able to now sing about, you know,
(06:39):
the country lifestyle. It's just it's been such a huge
part of my upbringing and you know the way that
my songs sound.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
What about your parents Are they supportive of your chasing
the dream here in Nashville at all? Or is this
something totally different from what they're used to.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
They've always been supportive from the day that I dropped
out of college and was like, I need to go
to Nashville, and I packed my truck and I moved
moved here, and I was just like, I'm just not
taking like no for an answer.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Then you came from Ontario, yep, all the way. Now
where is it I'm trying to think of obviously Canada,
But how far of a drive or flight is that
from here from Nashville.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
So to Nashville. It's really funny because it's only eight
hours to the border and then I'm only like two
hours over the border from a really small town in
southern Ontario. Okay, And yeah, no one in my family
did music. But when I started like taking guitar lessons
and wanting to like trade riding for you know, my guitar,
my parents were so so so supportive and drove me
(07:34):
to all the lessons and went to all the awful
singing competitions that I did. I would just like watch
like Disney Channel, because Disney like Hannah Montana was a
huge thing. And to see like other kids be able
to sing, I was like, I want to do that
so bad. I would beg my family to bring me
to auditions in Toronto just to like have a chance
to be one of the kids on one of those shows.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well look at you now from that, Now you're living
in Nashville, living the dream, right crazy? You said you
dropped out of college in Ontario.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yes, okay, So.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
It went to UFO, Okay, And I went there for
musical theater and I hated it really, Oh my god,
I could not wait to like not be there anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Why did you hate it so much? You think, I just.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Don't think that school was something that I wanted to do,
and I wasn't liking my program. And it's not because
of them. I think it was just something that my
heart was just telling me that I wasn't supposed to
be there. So I dropped out without telling anyone. So
it was like six months. Oh my, this was like
end of year one. Like I literally only went for
(08:35):
Oh it was bad, okay. But when I was like
finally honest and I was like, I think I have
to do the singing thing. And I didn't know that
you could be paid to write songs. I had no
idea my ten year old self writing these awful songs
about love that I didn't know about yet, and like
all of these things that are so like mature for
a ten year old. I was like, I think there's
something I need to pursue, and I think that's Nashville.
(08:57):
So I waited till I was twenty one, and then I,
you know, may I think it's about a ten hour
drive from here to there, and I was just like,
I not form Ottawa, but from my hometown. And I
was like, I think I just need to do this.
So I packed up my car and I said I'll
give myself one week and if nothing happens in that
one week, I will move home.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So obviously something happened.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
It was a crazy week. I've actually never talked about
this before, but first week in town, I forget. I
forget the first how I met him. But I was
at Warner and I was watching Blake Sheldon play and
I was up on the rooftop and Andrew Dwarf came
up to me and he was like, hey, like, do
you like this song? And I was like, yeah, it's awesome.
(09:38):
He's like I wrote it, and I was like, I'm
sure you did, and he did. It was so funny,
really yeah, And he would he would take me around.
You know, I didn't know anybody, so he was like
inviting me to brunches with a bunch of people at
his home and like, you know, just like super nice.
He was so nice to a girl who had no
idea what this town was even you know, the dreams
that are here.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And did you have any idea?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I mean, at that point, you had no idea what
this town really even was, and you were just kind
of going with the flow and didn't really realize what
you're even doing.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
I literally had no clue. And I feel like I
was almost put in those rooms too early, because, like
you know, I was still getting to know how like
how you could be at a publishing company and how
people have like development deals. Like I was learning so
much in that first week, and we were we got
to go to Blackbird's studio and watch them cut songs
(10:28):
that they had written over the past like two months,
and it was like it was a whole thing, and
we got to meet a lot of the artists that
were there with them, Like this was kind of like
when Old Dominion was just getting started. So Brad Tersey
was in there and Laurie McKennon and like all of
these writers that I was just like, oh my god,
I'm like I'm in front of like greatness right now. Yeah,
and I'm like brand new to town and I feel
(10:48):
like such a little like Martian. But it was so incredible.
And then I got to go to Blake Sheldon's number
one party. I think it was for Neon Lights and
sang Grea. I think they did a double one and
it was at Losers and I've never heard of this
bar called Boozers, and Andrew was like, Hey, do you
want to meet Blake? And I was like, yeah, I
would love to. And the fact that Blake took the
time to just be like, what what do you want
(11:09):
to do in town? Like I know you're super new here,
and I kind of was like, I think I want
to write, but obviously I'd never co written before, so
I was like, seriously so green in town. And he
was like, Hey, this town is really hard, just so
you know. And I was like, I don't plan on
taking no for an answer, and He's like, I really
hope that I see you again, and I haven't gotten
to see him again.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I know, I thought there was more coming.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I know, I know. I'm sorry, but it is a
huge part of why I'm still here is because this
town has been hard. But I don't take no for
an answer.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
That's good, that's what you have to be. And what
year was that your first year when you first moved here.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
That was twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Twenty fifteen, Okay, so just like that, it's been.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
What eight years?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, it's been eight years.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
And think about your first year that you're here in
twenty fifteen, and think about now in the first few
months of twenty twenty three. Already I feel like it's
gonna be Christmas already again. But anyways, think about the
first year there and then the first you know, three
or four months of this year, and how much your mindset.
What's the biggest difference you would think?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I feel like a different person since like January, honestly,
because we've had so much happen and I'm finally now
being able to show who I want to be as
an artist. And I think that we've really come into
the motion of like we know exactly what we're writing
towards every single day that we get in the room.
So it's been super interesting to be like, Okay, this
(12:27):
is working now, whereas like maybe I don't know, five
years ago, you know, wasn't kind of the way to
do things. And social media has really really helped me.
It's been a really good friend of mine. And I
would not be here, literally, I probably wouldn't even be
here on this podcast if it weren't for social media.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You wouldn't because there was Instagram how we connected. You
connected with me and I checked out yourself, and like
I said in the beginning, it's the music that drew
me to you in a different style of a different
type of music, and I was like, oh I need
to know more about this girl.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
So look at us.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Here, thank you, look at I would have thought, not us.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
What's your what's the biggest thing for social media? The
TikTok for you? Instagram?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
It's kind of been a little bit of both. So
Runs in the Water was our release in January on
Friday the thirteenth, because that's my lucky number. And it
worked out, I guess, and that song went on Instagram reels.
We had eight million across Instagram reels, where as it
didn't go on TikTok, whereas like six feet Deep when
(13:26):
on TikTok, overnight it hit a million and now it's
at whatever it's at now, And then then a week
later I went on Instagram and then now it's at
like two point four million, which is crazy. So like
it's kind of been a mix of both, but I
make sure that like I'm not just doing Instagram and TikTok,
Like we're doing YouTube shorts, Facebook reels, Pinterest. We have
a quarter of a million followers on Pinterest.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
What Pinterest?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
The more you know, the more you know.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
What made you shift to all this? Is it something?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Do you meet somebody that's like, hey, this is what
you should start doing. Is there something you kind of
came across and you're like, I need to start doing
more of this pinters and TikTok and everything.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Well, since since I'm from another country, I kind of
when I saw that TikTok was becoming a thing, I
was like, I need to figure out how this works
or I'm going to be left behind. And I refuse
to be left behind. So I was like I need
to figure out a way. And it took years of
figuring out what worked and what didn't and cover songs
don't work for me. We've tried that, We've done it
(14:23):
a million times. It doesn't work. Only original music works.
And I find that so strange because it's like, well,
does this mean we're supposed to do this? And like
the people love it. And my biggest thing is getting
people in seats when we go to shows. I want
to see everybody. Everybody who has ever liked one of
my videos, I would love for them to come to
the show. I would love people who didn't like the
song to come to the show because I want to
(14:43):
change their mind.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Have you ever played in front of less than ten people?
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yes? Well, empty bars? Oh my god. Yes.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I've always wondered what that's like, because if I'm at
a bar here in Nashville or wherever and there's only
a few people in there, and it's not like the band.
It's nothing that the band did or didn't do, but
it's just like, you know, you're there at that time
of day or that time of night.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean, what I got.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
What's going through your head while you're up there on
the stage and you're like, damn, I only got six
people in here right now? This kind of sucks, but
we got to keep doing what we're doing. What's going
through your head?
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I feel like every show is a learning opportunity. So
if there's even no one in that bar, I will
put the same show on then I would if there
were ten thousand people in the room. Interesting every single time.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And what's the most that you've ever played in front
of do you know?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Off top of your head, I think that it would
have been recently or throughout my.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Home anytime at any point.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
So when I was fifteen, I did this thing. I
was a Hannah Montana like tribute band, which is so
funny and it was it's the reason that I am
doing what I am today because I fell in love
with the stage. But we got to play a Canada
Day thing and there was twenty thousand people there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Were you singing like her song everything?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Oh yeah, I wore the wig man like.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
A Miley number two out there.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Yeah really, yep, yep. It was so much fun and
it's a huge part of you know, my story. And
I had stage fright. I was terrified to sing in
front of people. I would I started out with my
like karaoke machine when I was a kid in my
room and if my mom even walked up the stairs, I
would turn it off. And actually I wasn't doing karaoke,
Like I was just so scared to sing in front
of people growing up.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And then you got in front of a big old
crowd on the stage for the first time.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
What was that like? Can you remember back then?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
So I probably would have been like well, aside from
talent shows, but I would stand there and the mic
would shake because I'd be so scared. I think that
being in front of that many people. You I wore
a wig. I wasn't even myself, okay, right, So like
even now, like I played bigger shows as Hannah than
I can now as my own name.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
And where do you play at now you're in Nationale.
Do you have a regular spot or you kind of
jump around a little bit?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
So I play down at ol Red that's owned by
Blake Okay, which is awesome in the opry and they're
INCREDIB So yeah, we play down there once a month.
I have a residency and it's kind of just a
time where anyone who's in town. You know, it's undeniable
because you're playing to people from all over the world
in one spot too, and they take care of us alright,
is so good. It's probably the best bar I've played
(17:16):
on Broadway. They take care of their musicians, and it's
all kind of like a showcase and we get to
play original music and it's not so much the Broadway
thing more more so like we get to be a
band and we get to try out new songs and
if you guys come to that show, like, we can
play songs that we wouldn't play on the road that
are original, which is so much fun.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So there are some bars downtown where you can kind
of mix and match, because it seems like most of
them that you go to our covers and there's nothing
that band can really do about that, right, that's just
shure that the bar operates. And you said, I saw that.
You said everybody should play on Broadway for at least
a year when they move out here.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yep, why do you think that?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Because it teaches you. It teaches you how to play
to six people in a bar, teaches you how to
play to a packed bar, you how to deal with
drunk people, and like a lot of those, yes, there's
a lot of those down there, but you know what,
they all have great intention and I play during the day,
so I don't really get the nighttime crowd too much.
But I think it's a great learning curve. You learn
(18:12):
the ins and outs of being in a band, how
to run things, what people are responding to, what they're
not responding to. And usually after we get off stage,
like everybody wants a picture, everybody wants something signed, Like
it's so I love it because they come in not
knowing who I am, and they leave a fan, which
is like the most important thing to me.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Are you by yourself when you've talked about all this
in your past, your whole music career outside of your band, Like,
do you do all your management, your bookings, your everything?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yes, what's that been like for you?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
It has been a learning curve. I never knew how
to manage anyone, so managing myself, like you kind of
have to figure out how to do things. Booking. We
have a little bit of help here and there, and
that has been helpful because I don't, you know, I
want to be able to be creative and practice the
(19:01):
songs and be with the band and like really hone
in on being like an artist. And it's almost like
not having enough hands or not having enough hours in
the day.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I always say that there are not enough hours in
the day, and.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I like to write for other artists here in town,
so I have to make sure that my schedule can
allow the rights for other people along with what we're doing.
Then there's content creation, Then there's content editing, and I'm
I don't think a lot of people realize how long
it takes to edit the videos that are up. And
it has gotten easier. You find the little tips and tricks,
(19:35):
but yeah, the biggest thing has just been not having
enough time to do everything.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Have you thought about hiring a team or whether it's
a manager or content team, anything like that before.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Yeah, it has to be the right fit. I don't
want a team just to have a team, and I
want my team to believe in me more than I do.
And that is really that's you know, that's a.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Hard hard thing to find.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
It's a hard thing to find is someone who can
chare being you and be there and be preaching your name.
And I just don't want to settle yet. And I've
had a lot of great meetings, a lot of awesome people,
and we just haven't pulled the trigger on management.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
What about any labels or anything you had people come
up to you say hey, we're interested in you, or
meetings that you've had to turn down, or.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Actually and talks with in general.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
So I like to go to every meeting because you
never know what you know what they're going to say.
And yeah, we've had some awesome meetings and there's been
a lot of people who love the Punk Tree thing,
and every show it kind of seems like we're having
more and more industry people come on out. And I
urged them to come to my live show because I
was like, we can talk about numbers all day long,
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but come come watch it and you know, maybe you
know it'll spark something. Yeah, but I wanted to make sure.
So I think it was a year ago. It was
right after kind of twenty twenty, so probably twenty twenty one.
I was like, we need to get the band together,
and we need to be able to get on the
road like that if we were called. So I got
the band together. I have guys who I would like
(21:00):
trust with my life on the road with me, and
I bought a van. That's a new thing, but I
bought a van, and I'm really really excited because we
just want to tour. We want to. I want to
play every small town all over America and just sing
some songs.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Do you have a spot in mind that you're like,
I want to go play, whether it's a big one
like or like a red Rocks is a popular one, obviously, yes,
but you can't say red Rocks anything else a.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
City, even just a city in general, a city in general.
I really want to do stadiums. I know that we're
far from stadiums, but I think I just want to
be able to look out over the crowd and just
see like a sea of people and be like this
is so cool.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Like I feel like I would be back to that
fifteen year old me, like the mic shaking as I'm singing,
because I'd be like is this real? Like someone pinched me.
But every opening slot that we've had, every even shows
that I play with just me and my guitar, because
sometimes I'll go out and just do an acoustic run
and it's so just meeting the people has just been
such a special. They're like, your songs impact me, and
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I'm like, wow, what a compliment, Like they have helped
you through something in your life, and that means a
lot to me because it's like I thought I was
writing these songs because I felt this way, but it's
like other people feel this way.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Is that a goal for you when you're writing a
song at all I can relate to people or is
it just something where it's like, this is how I'm
feeling and then getting that feedback is almost like a
reward you didn't even know what was coming.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
For sure, It's definitely like that. I want to be
one hundred percent authentically me, and if people relate to that,
I love it. I'm super happy, like redneck rockstar. Like
people don't realize that I totally wrote that song. I
love Nickelback, And I was like, if I ever get
to be a rock star, I just don't feel like
money is going to be something that I'm going to
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be like I need more money. I need this like
because to me, it's not about the money. It's about
meeting the fans and playing the songs and doing what
I'm supposed to do here on this earth in the
very little time that I have here.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
What's your favorite Nickelback song?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Burn It to the ground. Oh my god, They're coming
to town to play and I am so excited.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah with Briantley.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be front row.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
So what do you say when people are because it's
always that whole you know, people are like, oh, Nickelback
and they making fun of them, and I'm like, you
know what, I low key think everyone loves Nickelback. I
don't care what you say in public. It's almost like
a trolling thing now, which is fun to do. And
do you ever have somebody say that and you're like, whoa, well,
calm down.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
If you don't like Nickelback, you're lying. That is what
I say all my shows. And we put so many
references in Redneck Rockstar to their rock Star song. And
if Chad called me right now and was like, hey,
like pack your suitcase, We're going out for like the
next sixty five days, I would be like, let's go
back in the van. Yeah, they show up on their
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buses and I'd be in like the shammou van.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Where is this van going to the first stop? Do
you know yet?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
We still have a few dates that we haven't so
we're going on the road with Luke Colmbs for the
Philly show on his stadium, the world tour.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Wait, let's talking to that. Guess I was going to
get into that. But let's do it now. Let's do
it now. No, You're fine, that's awesome. I've been waiting
for that. But I'm like, you know what, let's do
it now.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We're in it.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So Luke Combs, Yes, get more into that in Philly Stadium.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
So you are doing the stadium.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I so Whiskey jam is putting on this tailgate with Luke,
and I was super excited because I'm independent, right, so
I don't have a booking agent. You know, We've met
with a lot of them since we actually got off
for this show. But I remember the day that I
got the call for the Philly show and Kappy, who
(24:46):
is Luke Combs's manager, calls me and goes, would you
like to come on the road with us this summer?
And I was like on the road with like Luke
And he was like, what do you do in July
twenty ninth And I said that's my birthday? Oh no way,
And I said where going? And he so he was
like call me. And I was actually on stage when
I got this call, which is so funny. What and
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every year for the past like four years, I've spent
my birthday on a stage of some sort, and there's
just no place I'd rather be than performing songs and
singing and with my band. And I was like, we will,
I will go anywhere in the country you want to
bring us on the UK, we will go anywhere, like
anywhere you want to go. So he called me and
he's like, we're doing this tailgate thing. He goes, I
(25:28):
know you're independent, and I really wanted to make sure
that your name got thrown into the into the pile
of people who could do this. And he was like,
are you ready? And I was like, I am one
hundred and ten percent. The boys are ready. Don't even
need to call them. I know that they're good to go.
And yeah, so we'reheaded on the road, Luke, which is crazy,
Like it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's awesome. Good for them.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Get a whiskey jam too. They did that here at
Nissan right, Yeah, the old tailgate thing.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I did see that. That's good on them, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
It's incredible.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Are you going to be more shaky than than you
were the little girl doing hand in Montana?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I don't know, No, I don't know. I want to
say I of course I always get a little nervous
before a show because you know, I get so excited.
That's the thing. Is like I'm like shaking because I'm
ready to go, and the bands like obviously we do something.
It's like a heavy country concept. So like I don't
just stand there like I am. I turn into like
(26:19):
a different person, like an alter ego where I'm just
like I black out and I'm like what just happened
out there? And it's cool because we like, you know,
like the moshpit thing, like we want to make sure
that everyone in the audience is having a good time.
And if I got to go out there and just
like you know, preach, kick some teeth. Yeah, like headbag.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
You know I do you have any pre show routine
like take a shot or do something with your band
or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
I cannot drink before a show, not at all. Yeah,
I go like tone deaf, I can't do it. Why
So that's good?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I don't know it could be that way and not
the other way. Yes, exactly, really one way it should
be not drinking.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
But yes, I think I just get nervous that like
I will forget something or something will go over. I
just like I am like no drinks. I have green tea.
I do my vocal warm ups normally on a show day,
I try and stay like a you know, quiet. I
try not to like over use my voice because the
songs are high and being live like it's just such
(27:17):
a different game. And I would hate it if someone
bought a ticket to see my show and I had
gone out and drank the night before. Like I'm just like,
this is people's hard earned money, and I want to
make sure that they get the best show, so I
need to be one hundred percent myself.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, that's good on you. Have you ever had a
show where we had to cantle?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Not yet, No, we've had so I've played, you know,
down on Broadway. Used to play five days a week
when I first moved here, because all I can do
in this country is like sing and write, and it
has to be I'm on on OH one, so it
has to be kind of like music oriented to be
able to make money. So I couldn't do anything else.
So I was singing five days a week. It was
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really hard on my voice, and a lot of people
have voice issues after they play that many shows. And
thankfully we have not had to do that. If I'm sick,
that's kind of a different story. But I really try
not to get mm.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, don't we All the allergies out here will get
to Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
What is an one?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
So an O one is in the I feel so
weird saying this in the eyes of the US government.
I have extraordinary talent.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
One is we got an extraordinary talent here on the
unsign you heard it first.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Oh my god, I'll never leave that one do.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I know you can't see if you're listenings, but she is.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
She is very read. This is great.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
It's just so funny. And not a lot of people
get in O one without being signed.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
So and Cappy like, oh my god, I like wouldn't
even be here without him because he signed my visa
and he helped, you know, he sign a testimonial letter
because you kind of have to. You have to have
Show's book for the next three years. Like it's pretty serious. Wow,
And I'm pretty sure if you don't get it, like
you get deported or something. I don't know. So I
was like really nervous about it, and yeah, it worked out,
(28:57):
and I I like was over the moon the day
I got the call that my visa was approved and
I was good to go, and here we are.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
How long was that process?
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Took me about six, six or eight weeks to put
it all together. So it has to be like that.
You have the itinerary and then you have two testimonial letters,
and you have all of your show posters, anything you've
ever done, any accomplishments, things like that. And this was
over a year ago. So I think I'm going on
(29:25):
my second year right now, and we're good for three years. Okay,
So the visa was on before that was only a year.
So next year I wouldn't know if I would be
here anymore. But I never take no for an answer.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
So in two years, you said you had two years
left or year.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Less, I should Yeah, you have a year plus.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah plus okay, So after that then you have to
work on another one.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Yeah, it'll be kind of the same process if we
have a publishing deal or a record deal or you know,
whatever happens in the next few years, Like that's kind
of how we're going to route it from there.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Interesting, So if you're listening to this, make sure she
sticks around for longer than a year and a half, Okay,
that's all I'm gonna say. You keep mentioning a capy here.
He talked about he's Luke's manager, but who else or
what is he to you?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
He has just been a really good friend here in town.
And I remember reaching out to him a long time
ago and I was like, hey, I would love to
have you to a show. And he came to my
show like this was twenty twenty, and I was so
blown away by his kindness and his character and just
(30:30):
being able to chat and be like, hey, I have
nothing right now and I have nothing to offer except
for my songs and my voice, and like you know,
and he was just like, what what are your goals?
What do you want to be in five years, ten years?
And he really opened my eyes to be like, if
you want to write, you can still do that, and
you can do your artist stuff, and like he's got
(30:51):
many artists on his roster that are writers on top
of being artists as well, which I think is so exciting.
And he was just so accepting and he wanted to help,
and you know, just being able to bounce ideas off
of him and be like, hey, I have this coming
up or this coming up, and he's just been such
a champion and set up some things. And when he
called about the Luke stuff, I was like, oh my gosh,
(31:12):
like I'm so grateful, Like you don't have to do that,
but you did because you're kind and you're nice, and
you know, we're still independent. So he's just he's just
a great guy.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Just genuinely wants to help you.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yes, that's great, genuinely wants to help.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
We all need a copy in our life. Yeah, I've
got a few copies in my life that I'm very
grateful for as well.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
He's so great.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
And outside of music, you know, we're gonna wrap up
here pretty quickly. But outside of music, what else do
you like to do? We were talking about a little
bit before the recording. Golf is a big part of
your your life, you were saying, right, I love it.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I love it. It's like the one thing that has
nothing to do with music that I can just get
out on the course and just have a beer and unwind.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Is that your therapy, if you will, Yes.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
On top of my actual therapy.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yes, you got multiple therapies going on. Yes, we all
need multiple therapies. Don't worry, don't worry. What do you
go a lot, like once a week or once a month.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Once a week. If I can get out more than that,
I will. But weekends are better spent like outside and
in the outdoors, and when we're not on the road.
If we're on the road, that's different. Maybe one day
I'll be able to like bring my clubs with us
and play around before the show.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, so I've asked here before on this podcast. How
do you know you're going to make it? And that's
when you know you made it if you can bring
your golf clubs on tour with you and go golfing
in the morning and play a show at a stadium
at night.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I always used to say that I'll know that I've
made it when the Cores light truck shows up to
my house and drops off like a bunch of beer.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I love that, which is so funny. Can you give
me a call when that happens. I went to come
over and help you.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Perfect.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Well, we'll wrap this up, like I said, Royle and
I asked this question, and as far as if somebody
listened to this and you know you need some motivation
or something, if you're on the fence about deciding what
you want to do with life, whether it's career or
anything like that, what do you say to somebody who
is afraid to take that leap?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Take the leap because you never know what's going to
happen until you spread your wings and you jump. And
sometimes and I still do this all the time, but
like sometimes it feels like you're still falling, but you will.
If you don't have a plan, b if you don't
have a backup thing. I always tell people, like, if
you have a backup plan, you know you can't have
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one and do this. This has to be one hundred
and ten percent. And never take no for an answer.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
That's the theme of this one, right, Never.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Take no for an answer, Never take no for an answer.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I like it, Royal and we could follow you.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
They can follow you on Instagram, Twitter, Royal in music correct, yes, okay,
Royal in music. Go stream her, follow on Pinterest even Pinterest, anything, TikTok,
whatever social media you're on, go follow her.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Thank you so much for coming in.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Of course,
We're back for another episode of Unsigned and Independent with
Old Kevin O'Connell aka Kickoff Kevin.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Who's the artist Kevin?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We got Royal Linn in on this week.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Royal Len sounds very regal.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, it's a Canadian.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's probably why it sounds regal.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Canadians are very nice. Once I was in Toronto and
I was lost, and I have my phone up and
I was trying to find this place on the map
and I thought I was about to be mugged. And
the person was like, can I help you find your place?
And I was like, well, you might be the nicest
mucker ever. They saw me struggling.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And so Royal Lynn.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Tell me a little bit about Royal Lan because I'm
assuming Royal Lyn is a female.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, okay, so tell me about her.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
So she's got this sound to her and this look
to her called that she calls names it punk tree,
and it's kind of like a hearty feel to it.
It's got country lyrics but a punk rock sound to it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
And that's what drew me to her.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Awesome, wow, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Royal Lynn from Ontario, Canada, Canada, Nashville, twenty fifteen. Does
she play instrument like she is she a player too?
Like does she play and sing?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, guitar lead singer.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
She got a great band, she's got a great.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Look to her, and she's got a lot going on
this year.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Have you ever sang? Have you ever been a singer?
I have not? Are you a singer?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Depends how many drinks we have.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, I feel like you'd be the kind of guy
to surprise us and be like, well, actually I sang
in you know my high school cool?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I mean you did move all over Europe?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Right, Yeah, I've been to fourteen countries over there.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So it's like that's surprising, Like you didn't you live there? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I lived there for three months in Spain and done
a lot of traveling. But no, the whole instrument or
singing never really dabbled in that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There's always a surprise from you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well. Royal and Kevin talked about her first week in Nashville,
how she met Blake Shelton, She was around all these
major songwriters, didn't even realize what she was doing. It's
time and does she talk about because I know it's
a thing where people.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
That aren't from here are from here at her.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Visa, Yeah, that was the most interesting thing to me
that I found out. She has to have an oh
one vacher I don't want to say too much here,
and she has to have somebody here basically sign her
a waiver, almost like she is actually performing here, she
is actually playing here. I had to do that to
make sure she stays.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Here for Nikita Nikita Carmen, because I brought her here
from Australia to play with our band.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Really, so the label did that. I did both.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We had to make sure that she had like a sponsor, or,
Like I mean, I had to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, So it's a it's like they're her keeper.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah. And she's like, I don't know if I'm saying forever,
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
She's performing at the pre showtailgate party for Lucomb's Stadium
tour in July, and she thinks that everybody who moves
to Nashville she'd have to play on Broadway for a year.
You guys will talk about that, all right. There we go,
unsigned and independent. Here he is kick off Kevin with
Royal Lynn.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I want to dive right into your music. Actually usually
I kind of start with the backstory, but this time
I want to dive in your music because that's what
drew me to you, and you're what you call punk tree.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
It is?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
This is what I think of. When I came across
your Instagram page and I heard some of your music.
I think of like a hearty that's Hardy's Got the
Crow album and half of the album that's The Crow
and the Mockingbird and that Crow. That hardcore, but it's
still country. Lyrics are twisted in there, yes, so it
doesn't sound something you would normally hear and be like, oh,
this is country music and it's got a twist to it.
(03:20):
So I'm gonna play a quick clip right here, six
feet deep, and we'll kind of get into it from there.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Guy, love it?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
What is punk? Try to you?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Oh, So I grew up in the middle of nowhere
on a farm, but my favorite I loved country, but
I was so drawn to punk artists, like I was
a huge fan of like Some forty one and Simple Plan.
My first concert was Some forty one and Simple Plan.
And I've always been so drawn to music like a
data remember, But I also grew up in the country lifestyle.
So I was like, what if we had like a
(03:55):
hybrid and we called it punk Tree and like we
have T shirt it's now in hats and like, I
just I love the branding of it. It's it's so
special to me. And we have been compared to Hearty Lately,
which is like such an such an honor. Oh my goodness,
he's killing it. Yeah, and I loved I loved The
Mockingbird and the Crow. It's such a good album. But
the songwriting is there, and that's where the country genre
(04:18):
really shines through. Is like being able to write these
songs and they're written in such a country standpoint or
like the formation of a country song versus like a
rock song, which is you know, exciting. So doing the two,
I'm just like punctury is like it's a movement.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Mm hmm. So you're starting a new movement.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I don't know, I don't know. I like it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Is it hard to combine the two?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I mean you've had years of work at it, I'm sure,
But is it hard to kind of find that good
sound that you've been looking for?
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yes, So I've had to work with a bunch of
different track guys and writers even who understand the rock
world just as much as they understand the country world.
So there are a lot of rights that I'm in
where people are like, you know, up a pop top liner,
which is super exciting to me because then we're getting
different melodies in our writing and the way that they
say things. So I find it super interesting. I love
(05:08):
the way that country music is going right now because
it's opened such a door for alternative artists. And that
being said, like Nickelback is a huge inspiration of mine
and I love them so much. And to be able
to do heavy riffs at the top, like I would
have never known that we could do that until we
started working with track guys. So it's been a whole
(05:29):
new experience for me and finding like what I wanted
to say and how I wanted to sound as an artist.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Okay, it's unique, I'll say that, and it's great. It's
a good thing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
It's a really good thing because you can go out
there and you can hear it and you're like, wow,
I've never heard something like this, And do you get
that positive feedback from the fan base as a whole.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
For sure. I always said that I would love to
have a concert where we have a mosh pit. That
would be incredible.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I think I've been involved in maybe one or two
moshpits in my life. I was at the vands too,
I think I was like thirteen years old, and after
that I was like, yeah, I'm cool. I don't know
if I should do that again because it gets a
little crazy there. It does.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Pennywise, I want to say with.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
The pack, Oh my goodness, that would be so cool.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So it was wild.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But you talked about your upbringing and your first concert
and the music that you listened to. Were any of
your family into music growing up playing music or did
that something that you grabbed on your own and took
and ran with it?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
So no one in my family really did music per se.
My mom has had horses my entire life, so we
were always taught to ride, and my mom like I
was literally raised in a barn because my mom was
always in the barn but the horses. And it was
so incredible to be raised on on like good country
values and to be able to now sing about, you know,
(06:39):
the country lifestyle. It's just it's been such a huge
part of my upbringing and you know the way that
my songs sound.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
What about your parents Are they supportive of your chasing
the dream here in Nashville at all? Or is this
something totally different from what they're used to.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
They've always been supportive from the day that I dropped
out of college and was like, I need to go
to Nashville, and I packed my truck and I moved
moved here, and I was just like, I'm just not
taking like no for an answer.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Then you came from Ontario, yep, all the way. Now
where is it I'm trying to think of obviously Canada,
But how far of a drive or flight is that
from here from Nashville.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
So to Nashville. It's really funny because it's only eight
hours to the border and then I'm only like two
hours over the border from a really small town in
southern Ontario. Okay, And yeah, no one in my family
did music. But when I started like taking guitar lessons
and wanting to like trade riding for you know, my guitar,
my parents were so so so supportive and drove me
(07:34):
to all the lessons and went to all the awful
singing competitions that I did. I would just like watch
like Disney Channel, because Disney like Hannah Montana was a
huge thing. And to see like other kids be able
to sing, I was like, I want to do that
so bad. I would beg my family to bring me
to auditions in Toronto just to like have a chance
to be one of the kids on one of those shows.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well look at you now from that, Now you're living
in Nashville, living the dream, right crazy? You said you
dropped out of college in Ontario.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yes, okay, So.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
It went to UFO, Okay, And I went there for
musical theater and I hated it really, Oh my god,
I could not wait to like not be there anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Why did you hate it so much? You think, I just.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Don't think that school was something that I wanted to do,
and I wasn't liking my program. And it's not because
of them. I think it was just something that my
heart was just telling me that I wasn't supposed to
be there. So I dropped out without telling anyone. So
it was like six months. Oh my, this was like
end of year one. Like I literally only went for
(08:35):
Oh it was bad, okay. But when I was like
finally honest and I was like, I think I have
to do the singing thing. And I didn't know that
you could be paid to write songs. I had no
idea my ten year old self writing these awful songs
about love that I didn't know about yet, and like
all of these things that are so like mature for
a ten year old. I was like, I think there's
something I need to pursue, and I think that's Nashville.
(08:57):
So I waited till I was twenty one, and then I,
you know, may I think it's about a ten hour
drive from here to there, and I was just like,
I not form Ottawa, but from my hometown. And I
was like, I think I just need to do this.
So I packed up my car and I said I'll
give myself one week and if nothing happens in that
one week, I will move home.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So obviously something happened.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
It was a crazy week. I've actually never talked about
this before, but first week in town, I forget. I
forget the first how I met him. But I was
at Warner and I was watching Blake Sheldon play and
I was up on the rooftop and Andrew Dwarf came
up to me and he was like, hey, like, do
you like this song? And I was like, yeah, it's awesome.
(09:38):
He's like I wrote it, and I was like, I'm
sure you did, and he did. It was so funny,
really yeah, And he would he would take me around.
You know, I didn't know anybody, so he was like
inviting me to brunches with a bunch of people at
his home and like, you know, just like super nice.
He was so nice to a girl who had no
idea what this town was even you know, the dreams
that are here.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And did you have any idea?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I mean, at that point, you had no idea what
this town really even was, and you were just kind
of going with the flow and didn't really realize what
you're even doing.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
I literally had no clue. And I feel like I
was almost put in those rooms too early, because, like
you know, I was still getting to know how like
how you could be at a publishing company and how
people have like development deals. Like I was learning so
much in that first week, and we were we got
to go to Blackbird's studio and watch them cut songs
(10:28):
that they had written over the past like two months,
and it was like it was a whole thing, and
we got to meet a lot of the artists that
were there with them, Like this was kind of like
when Old Dominion was just getting started. So Brad Tersey
was in there and Laurie McKennon and like all of
these writers that I was just like, oh my god,
I'm like I'm in front of like greatness right now. Yeah,
and I'm like brand new to town and I feel
(10:48):
like such a little like Martian. But it was so incredible.
And then I got to go to Blake Sheldon's number
one party. I think it was for Neon Lights and
sang Grea. I think they did a double one and
it was at Losers and I've never heard of this
bar called Boozers, and Andrew was like, Hey, do you
want to meet Blake? And I was like, yeah, I
would love to. And the fact that Blake took the
time to just be like, what what do you want
(11:09):
to do in town? Like I know you're super new here,
and I kind of was like, I think I want
to write, but obviously I'd never co written before, so
I was like, seriously so green in town. And he
was like, Hey, this town is really hard, just so
you know. And I was like, I don't plan on
taking no for an answer, and He's like, I really
hope that I see you again, and I haven't gotten
to see him again.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I know, I thought there was more coming.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I know, I know. I'm sorry, but it is a
huge part of why I'm still here is because this
town has been hard. But I don't take no for
an answer.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
That's good, that's what you have to be. And what
year was that your first year when you first moved here.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
That was twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Twenty fifteen, Okay, so just like that, it's been.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
What eight years?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, it's been eight years.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
And think about your first year that you're here in
twenty fifteen, and think about now in the first few
months of twenty twenty three. Already I feel like it's
gonna be Christmas already again. But anyways, think about the
first year there and then the first you know, three
or four months of this year, and how much your mindset.
What's the biggest difference you would think?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I feel like a different person since like January, honestly,
because we've had so much happen and I'm finally now
being able to show who I want to be as
an artist. And I think that we've really come into
the motion of like we know exactly what we're writing
towards every single day that we get in the room.
So it's been super interesting to be like, Okay, this
(12:27):
is working now, whereas like maybe I don't know, five
years ago, you know, wasn't kind of the way to
do things. And social media has really really helped me.
It's been a really good friend of mine. And I
would not be here, literally, I probably wouldn't even be
here on this podcast if it weren't for social media.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You wouldn't because there was Instagram how we connected. You
connected with me and I checked out yourself, and like
I said in the beginning, it's the music that drew
me to you in a different style of a different
type of music, and I was like, oh I need
to know more about this girl.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
So look at us.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Here, thank you, look at I would have thought, not us.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
What's your what's the biggest thing for social media? The
TikTok for you? Instagram?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
It's kind of been a little bit of both. So
Runs in the Water was our release in January on
Friday the thirteenth, because that's my lucky number. And it
worked out, I guess, and that song went on Instagram reels.
We had eight million across Instagram reels, where as it
didn't go on TikTok, whereas like six feet Deep when
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on TikTok, overnight it hit a million and now it's
at whatever it's at now, And then then a week
later I went on Instagram and then now it's at
like two point four million, which is crazy. So like
it's kind of been a mix of both, but I
make sure that like I'm not just doing Instagram and TikTok,
Like we're doing YouTube shorts, Facebook reels, Pinterest. We have
a quarter of a million followers on Pinterest.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
What Pinterest?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
The more you know, the more you know.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
What made you shift to all this? Is it something?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Do you meet somebody that's like, hey, this is what
you should start doing. Is there something you kind of
came across and you're like, I need to start doing
more of this pinters and TikTok and everything.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Well, since since I'm from another country, I kind of
when I saw that TikTok was becoming a thing, I
was like, I need to figure out how this works
or I'm going to be left behind. And I refuse
to be left behind. So I was like I need
to figure out a way. And it took years of
figuring out what worked and what didn't and cover songs
don't work for me. We've tried that, We've done it
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a million times. It doesn't work. Only original music works.
And I find that so strange because it's like, well,
does this mean we're supposed to do this? And like
the people love it. And my biggest thing is getting
people in seats when we go to shows. I want
to see everybody. Everybody who has ever liked one of
my videos, I would love for them to come to
the show. I would love people who didn't like the
song to come to the show because I want to
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change their mind.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Have you ever played in front of less than ten people?
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yes? Well, empty bars? Oh my god. Yes.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I've always wondered what that's like, because if I'm at
a bar here in Nashville or wherever and there's only
a few people in there, and it's not like the band.
It's nothing that the band did or didn't do, but
it's just like, you know, you're there at that time
of day or that time of night.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean, what I got.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
What's going through your head while you're up there on
the stage and you're like, damn, I only got six
people in here right now? This kind of sucks, but
we got to keep doing what we're doing. What's going
through your head?
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I feel like every show is a learning opportunity. So
if there's even no one in that bar, I will
put the same show on then I would if there
were ten thousand people in the room. Interesting every single time.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And what's the most that you've ever played in front
of do you know?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Off top of your head, I think that it would
have been recently or throughout my.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Home anytime at any point.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
So when I was fifteen, I did this thing. I
was a Hannah Montana like tribute band, which is so
funny and it was it's the reason that I am
doing what I am today because I fell in love
with the stage. But we got to play a Canada
Day thing and there was twenty thousand people there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Were you singing like her song everything?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Oh yeah, I wore the wig man like.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
A Miley number two out there.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Yeah really, yep, yep. It was so much fun and
it's a huge part of you know, my story. And
I had stage fright. I was terrified to sing in
front of people. I would I started out with my
like karaoke machine when I was a kid in my
room and if my mom even walked up the stairs, I
would turn it off. And actually I wasn't doing karaoke,
Like I was just so scared to sing in front
of people growing up.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And then you got in front of a big old
crowd on the stage for the first time.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
What was that like? Can you remember back then?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
So I probably would have been like well, aside from
talent shows, but I would stand there and the mic
would shake because I'd be so scared. I think that
being in front of that many people. You I wore
a wig. I wasn't even myself, okay, right, So like
even now, like I played bigger shows as Hannah than
I can now as my own name.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
And where do you play at now you're in Nationale.
Do you have a regular spot or you kind of
jump around a little bit?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
So I play down at ol Red that's owned by
Blake Okay, which is awesome in the opry and they're
INCREDIB So yeah, we play down there once a month.
I have a residency and it's kind of just a
time where anyone who's in town. You know, it's undeniable
because you're playing to people from all over the world
in one spot too, and they take care of us alright,
is so good. It's probably the best bar I've played
(17:16):
on Broadway. They take care of their musicians, and it's
all kind of like a showcase and we get to
play original music and it's not so much the Broadway
thing more more so like we get to be a
band and we get to try out new songs and
if you guys come to that show, like, we can
play songs that we wouldn't play on the road that
are original, which is so much fun.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So there are some bars downtown where you can kind
of mix and match, because it seems like most of
them that you go to our covers and there's nothing
that band can really do about that, right, that's just
shure that the bar operates. And you said, I saw that.
You said everybody should play on Broadway for at least
a year when they move out here.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yep, why do you think that?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Because it teaches you. It teaches you how to play
to six people in a bar, teaches you how to
play to a packed bar, you how to deal with
drunk people, and like a lot of those, yes, there's
a lot of those down there, but you know what,
they all have great intention and I play during the day,
so I don't really get the nighttime crowd too much.
But I think it's a great learning curve. You learn
(18:12):
the ins and outs of being in a band, how
to run things, what people are responding to, what they're
not responding to. And usually after we get off stage,
like everybody wants a picture, everybody wants something signed, Like
it's so I love it because they come in not
knowing who I am, and they leave a fan, which
is like the most important thing to me.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Are you by yourself when you've talked about all this
in your past, your whole music career outside of your band, Like,
do you do all your management, your bookings, your everything?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yes, what's that been like for you?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
It has been a learning curve. I never knew how
to manage anyone, so managing myself, like you kind of
have to figure out how to do things. Booking. We
have a little bit of help here and there, and
that has been helpful because I don't, you know, I
want to be able to be creative and practice the
(19:01):
songs and be with the band and like really hone
in on being like an artist. And it's almost like
not having enough hands or not having enough hours in
the day.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I always say that there are not enough hours in
the day, and.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I like to write for other artists here in town,
so I have to make sure that my schedule can
allow the rights for other people along with what we're doing.
Then there's content creation, Then there's content editing, and I'm
I don't think a lot of people realize how long
it takes to edit the videos that are up. And
it has gotten easier. You find the little tips and tricks,
(19:35):
but yeah, the biggest thing has just been not having
enough time to do everything.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Have you thought about hiring a team or whether it's
a manager or content team, anything like that before.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Yeah, it has to be the right fit. I don't
want a team just to have a team, and I
want my team to believe in me more than I do.
And that is really that's you know, that's a.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Hard hard thing to find.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
It's a hard thing to find is someone who can
chare being you and be there and be preaching your name.
And I just don't want to settle yet. And I've
had a lot of great meetings, a lot of awesome people,
and we just haven't pulled the trigger on management.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
What about any labels or anything you had people come
up to you say hey, we're interested in you, or
meetings that you've had to turn down, or.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Actually and talks with in general.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
So I like to go to every meeting because you
never know what you know what they're going to say.
And yeah, we've had some awesome meetings and there's been
a lot of people who love the Punk Tree thing,
and every show it kind of seems like we're having
more and more industry people come on out. And I
urged them to come to my live show because I
was like, we can talk about numbers all day long,
(20:39):
but come come watch it and you know, maybe you
know it'll spark something. Yeah, but I wanted to make sure.
So I think it was a year ago. It was
right after kind of twenty twenty, so probably twenty twenty one.
I was like, we need to get the band together,
and we need to be able to get on the
road like that if we were called. So I got
the band together. I have guys who I would like
(21:00):
trust with my life on the road with me, and
I bought a van. That's a new thing, but I
bought a van, and I'm really really excited because we
just want to tour. We want to. I want to
play every small town all over America and just sing
some songs.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Do you have a spot in mind that you're like,
I want to go play, whether it's a big one
like or like a red Rocks is a popular one, obviously, yes,
but you can't say red Rocks anything else a.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
City, even just a city in general, a city in general.
I really want to do stadiums. I know that we're
far from stadiums, but I think I just want to
be able to look out over the crowd and just
see like a sea of people and be like this
is so cool.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Like I feel like I would be back to that
fifteen year old me, like the mic shaking as I'm singing,
because I'd be like is this real? Like someone pinched me.
But every opening slot that we've had, every even shows
that I play with just me and my guitar, because
sometimes I'll go out and just do an acoustic run
and it's so just meeting the people has just been
such a special. They're like, your songs impact me, and
(22:02):
I'm like, wow, what a compliment, Like they have helped
you through something in your life, and that means a
lot to me because it's like I thought I was
writing these songs because I felt this way, but it's
like other people feel this way.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Is that a goal for you when you're writing a
song at all I can relate to people or is
it just something where it's like, this is how I'm
feeling and then getting that feedback is almost like a
reward you didn't even know what was coming.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
For sure, It's definitely like that. I want to be
one hundred percent authentically me, and if people relate to that,
I love it. I'm super happy, like redneck rockstar. Like
people don't realize that I totally wrote that song. I
love Nickelback, And I was like, if I ever get
to be a rock star, I just don't feel like
money is going to be something that I'm going to
(22:46):
be like I need more money. I need this like
because to me, it's not about the money. It's about
meeting the fans and playing the songs and doing what
I'm supposed to do here on this earth in the
very little time that I have here.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
What's your favorite Nickelback song?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Burn It to the ground. Oh my god, They're coming
to town to play and I am so excited.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah with Briantley.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be front row.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
So what do you say when people are because it's
always that whole you know, people are like, oh, Nickelback
and they making fun of them, and I'm like, you
know what, I low key think everyone loves Nickelback. I
don't care what you say in public. It's almost like
a trolling thing now, which is fun to do. And
do you ever have somebody say that and you're like, whoa, well,
calm down.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
If you don't like Nickelback, you're lying. That is what
I say all my shows. And we put so many
references in Redneck Rockstar to their rock Star song. And
if Chad called me right now and was like, hey,
like pack your suitcase, We're going out for like the
next sixty five days, I would be like, let's go
back in the van. Yeah, they show up on their
(23:53):
buses and I'd be in like the shammou van.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Where is this van going to the first stop? Do
you know yet?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
We still have a few dates that we haven't so
we're going on the road with Luke Colmbs for the
Philly show on his stadium, the world tour.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Wait, let's talking to that. Guess I was going to
get into that. But let's do it now. Let's do
it now. No, You're fine, that's awesome. I've been waiting
for that. But I'm like, you know what, let's do
it now.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We're in it.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So Luke Combs, Yes, get more into that in Philly Stadium.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
So you are doing the stadium.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I so Whiskey jam is putting on this tailgate with Luke,
and I was super excited because I'm independent, right, so
I don't have a booking agent. You know, We've met
with a lot of them since we actually got off
for this show. But I remember the day that I
got the call for the Philly show and Kappy, who
(24:46):
is Luke Combs's manager, calls me and goes, would you
like to come on the road with us this summer?
And I was like on the road with like Luke
And he was like, what do you do in July
twenty ninth And I said that's my birthday? Oh no way,
And I said where going? And he so he was
like call me. And I was actually on stage when
I got this call, which is so funny. What and
(25:07):
every year for the past like four years, I've spent
my birthday on a stage of some sort, and there's
just no place I'd rather be than performing songs and
singing and with my band. And I was like, we will,
I will go anywhere in the country you want to
bring us on the UK, we will go anywhere, like
anywhere you want to go. So he called me and
he's like, we're doing this tailgate thing. He goes, I
(25:28):
know you're independent, and I really wanted to make sure
that your name got thrown into the into the pile
of people who could do this. And he was like,
are you ready? And I was like, I am one
hundred and ten percent. The boys are ready. Don't even
need to call them. I know that they're good to go.
And yeah, so we'reheaded on the road, Luke, which is crazy,
Like it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's awesome. Good for them.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Get a whiskey jam too. They did that here at
Nissan right, Yeah, the old tailgate thing.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I did see that. That's good on them, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
It's incredible.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Are you going to be more shaky than than you
were the little girl doing hand in Montana?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I don't know, No, I don't know. I want to
say I of course I always get a little nervous
before a show because you know, I get so excited.
That's the thing. Is like I'm like shaking because I'm
ready to go, and the bands like obviously we do something.
It's like a heavy country concept. So like I don't
just stand there like I am. I turn into like
(26:19):
a different person, like an alter ego where I'm just
like I black out and I'm like what just happened
out there? And it's cool because we like, you know,
like the moshpit thing, like we want to make sure
that everyone in the audience is having a good time.
And if I got to go out there and just
like you know, preach, kick some teeth. Yeah, like headbag.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
You know I do you have any pre show routine
like take a shot or do something with your band
or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
I cannot drink before a show, not at all. Yeah,
I go like tone deaf, I can't do it. Why
So that's good?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I don't know it could be that way and not
the other way. Yes, exactly, really one way it should
be not drinking.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
But yes, I think I just get nervous that like
I will forget something or something will go over. I
just like I am like no drinks. I have green tea.
I do my vocal warm ups normally on a show day,
I try and stay like a you know, quiet. I
try not to like over use my voice because the
songs are high and being live like it's just such
(27:17):
a different game. And I would hate it if someone
bought a ticket to see my show and I had
gone out and drank the night before. Like I'm just like,
this is people's hard earned money, and I want to
make sure that they get the best show, so I
need to be one hundred percent myself.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, that's good on you. Have you ever had a
show where we had to cantle?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Not yet, No, we've had so I've played, you know,
down on Broadway. Used to play five days a week
when I first moved here, because all I can do
in this country is like sing and write, and it
has to be I'm on on OH one, so it
has to be kind of like music oriented to be
able to make money. So I couldn't do anything else.
So I was singing five days a week. It was
(27:52):
really hard on my voice, and a lot of people
have voice issues after they play that many shows. And
thankfully we have not had to do that. If I'm sick,
that's kind of a different story. But I really try
not to get mm.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, don't we All the allergies out here will get
to Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
What is an one?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
So an O one is in the I feel so
weird saying this in the eyes of the US government.
I have extraordinary talent.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
One is we got an extraordinary talent here on the
unsign you heard it first.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Oh my god, I'll never leave that one do.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I know you can't see if you're listenings, but she is.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
She is very read. This is great.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
It's just so funny. And not a lot of people
get in O one without being signed.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
So and Cappy like, oh my god, I like wouldn't
even be here without him because he signed my visa
and he helped, you know, he sign a testimonial letter
because you kind of have to. You have to have
Show's book for the next three years. Like it's pretty serious. Wow,
And I'm pretty sure if you don't get it, like
you get deported or something. I don't know. So I
was like really nervous about it, and yeah, it worked out,
(28:57):
and I I like was over the moon the day
I got the call that my visa was approved and
I was good to go, and here we are.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
How long was that process?
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Took me about six, six or eight weeks to put
it all together. So it has to be like that.
You have the itinerary and then you have two testimonial letters,
and you have all of your show posters, anything you've
ever done, any accomplishments, things like that. And this was
over a year ago. So I think I'm going on
(29:25):
my second year right now, and we're good for three years. Okay,
So the visa was on before that was only a year.
So next year I wouldn't know if I would be
here anymore. But I never take no for an answer.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
So in two years, you said you had two years
left or year.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Less, I should Yeah, you have a year plus.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah plus okay, So after that then you have to
work on another one.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Yeah, it'll be kind of the same process if we
have a publishing deal or a record deal or you know,
whatever happens in the next few years, Like that's kind
of how we're going to route it from there.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Interesting, So if you're listening to this, make sure she
sticks around for longer than a year and a half, Okay,
that's all I'm gonna say. You keep mentioning a capy here.
He talked about he's Luke's manager, but who else or
what is he to you?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
He has just been a really good friend here in town.
And I remember reaching out to him a long time
ago and I was like, hey, I would love to
have you to a show. And he came to my
show like this was twenty twenty, and I was so
blown away by his kindness and his character and just
(30:30):
being able to chat and be like, hey, I have
nothing right now and I have nothing to offer except
for my songs and my voice, and like you know,
and he was just like, what what are your goals?
What do you want to be in five years, ten years?
And he really opened my eyes to be like, if
you want to write, you can still do that, and
you can do your artist stuff, and like he's got
(30:51):
many artists on his roster that are writers on top
of being artists as well, which I think is so exciting.
And he was just so accepting and he wanted to help,
and you know, just being able to bounce ideas off
of him and be like, hey, I have this coming
up or this coming up, and he's just been such
a champion and set up some things. And when he
called about the Luke stuff, I was like, oh my gosh,
(31:12):
like I'm so grateful, Like you don't have to do that,
but you did because you're kind and you're nice, and
you know, we're still independent. So he's just he's just
a great guy.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Just genuinely wants to help you.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yes, that's great, genuinely wants to help.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
We all need a copy in our life. Yeah, I've
got a few copies in my life that I'm very
grateful for as well.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
He's so great.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
And outside of music, you know, we're gonna wrap up
here pretty quickly. But outside of music, what else do
you like to do? We were talking about a little
bit before the recording. Golf is a big part of
your your life, you were saying, right, I love it.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I love it. It's like the one thing that has
nothing to do with music that I can just get
out on the course and just have a beer and unwind.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Is that your therapy, if you will, Yes.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
On top of my actual therapy.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yes, you got multiple therapies going on. Yes, we all
need multiple therapies. Don't worry, don't worry. What do you
go a lot, like once a week or once a month.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Once a week. If I can get out more than that,
I will. But weekends are better spent like outside and
in the outdoors, and when we're not on the road.
If we're on the road, that's different. Maybe one day
I'll be able to like bring my clubs with us
and play around before the show.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, so I've asked here before on this podcast. How
do you know you're going to make it? And that's
when you know you made it if you can bring
your golf clubs on tour with you and go golfing
in the morning and play a show at a stadium
at night.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I always used to say that I'll know that I've
made it when the Cores light truck shows up to
my house and drops off like a bunch of beer.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I love that, which is so funny. Can you give
me a call when that happens. I went to come
over and help you.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Perfect.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Well, we'll wrap this up, like I said, Royle and
I asked this question, and as far as if somebody
listened to this and you know you need some motivation
or something, if you're on the fence about deciding what
you want to do with life, whether it's career or
anything like that, what do you say to somebody who
is afraid to take that leap?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Take the leap because you never know what's going to
happen until you spread your wings and you jump. And
sometimes and I still do this all the time, but
like sometimes it feels like you're still falling, but you will.
If you don't have a plan, b if you don't
have a backup thing. I always tell people, like, if
you have a backup plan, you know you can't have
(33:18):
one and do this. This has to be one hundred
and ten percent. And never take no for an answer.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
That's the theme of this one, right, Never.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Take no for an answer, Never take no for an answer.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I like it, Royal and we could follow you.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
They can follow you on Instagram, Twitter, Royal in music correct, yes, okay,
Royal in music. Go stream her, follow on Pinterest even Pinterest, anything, TikTok,
whatever social media you're on, go follow her.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Thank you so much for coming in.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Of course,
Host
Bobby Bones
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