Top 8 BobbyCast Interviews of 2021 (Part 2)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome back to the Top eight Bobby Cast
Interviews of one, Part two. I am like the producer
of the Bobby Cast and Bobby and I have hands
selected the best interviews we did this year. This is
part two. So if you missed part one, just go
back an episode and check that out, or if you
just want to hear the top four, you're in the
right place because these are the best interviews we did

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on the Bobby Cast this year. And this is based
on episode downloads, reaction we had on social media. So
I'll count these down, give you some behind the scenes
that went into recording these episodes and what I kind
of have to do as a producer of this podcast.
Let's get right into it. At number four, we went
with Jimmy Allen. Now, we had Jimmy Allen back on
in before he ever had a number one. And Jimmy

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is one of the nicest people in country music, and
he's a very busy guy. And this was before Dancing
with the Stars this year, before winning Best New Artists.
And what I love about Jimmy is that he always
comes in with the best stories right when he sits down.
Bobby asked him one question and it immediately leads to
a great conversation and we had so many tweets and
d M when this episode came out. So at number
four is Jimmy Allen here with Jimmy Allen, which I

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was looking at some of the track listing for for
Betty James. And I'm always curious at the process and
asking people much cooler than yourself, no no offense, much
cooler than yourself to do something with you, because I
don't have to ask people cooler, way cooler than me
to do stuff with me. And I'm always a little
weird about it. How do you ask, for example, let's
do the song. Now, you and Brad Paisley, you have

(01:31):
a song together, that's the song out of Radio Freedom
was a Highway? How does that ask go? Do you
do it? Or did your people do it? Man? So
I kind of did on myself. It kind of happened
because I was Brad It text me one night it
was like, hey, I have to play the operating Night.
Come by the house. He said, Darius is coming and
he said Bill Shatners here. I was like, that was
Bill Shatnan. Well, she's like William shatn I was like,

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you know, people in my age we know him from
Unsolved Mysteries. I didn't know who. I've never heard him
called Bill Shatter before. So I went over there and uh,
I get there. Tim girls outside peeing out in front
of the house. So we go in, UM and we're
just talking to me, Tim, Brad and Darius and I'm
sitting here looking like how'd I get in this room?
How much money? These these are worth a lot? So

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then we grab the guitars and start playing Ntim was like, Yo,
we should do a song together. He said, Jimmy, here's
my number, text me to do a song. I was like, now, listen,
I'm the dude that if you give me your number
and you say text me to do something, I'm going
to text you. So I went to l a like
two days after that and I wrote made for These
um and I sent texted to Tim, was like, hey,

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what do you think about the song? He's like, dude,
I love it. Let's do it. Then Brad I text
had Freedom written like a year and a half before that. UM,
I really with Ash and I'm gonna Matt Matt Rogers
and he was like I love it. I was like perfect.
And then the Darrison Charlie song. Man. I actually had
another song I wanted to do with Darrison Charlie Um,
but it was like a drinking song. And there's like, bro,

(02:55):
we can't have the first song we do with Charlie
Bride a drinking song. I was like a point. So
the day after Kobe died, Um, I was writing it
was me my bass player, take how Um, who was
my first signing to my publishing company. He's Dope Um,
Karry barl on Brandon Day. We wrote it the day
after Kobe died and just think about life, man, you know,

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like life throw stuff at you, Like Kobe was probably
one of the most motivated people I ever knew. Like
every conversation I had with Kobe, I just left feeling
more motivated, Like you know what, can't I do what
people say I can't do, I gotta go do it.
So that's what kind of how that song came about.
So I called Charlie UM, gave it to Darius and
they were like yeah, um, so that's kind of how

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that comes. I just reached out to everybody, and after
I got everybody's yes that, I called the labels like hey,
I'm this COLLABYP already got the artist. They all said, yes,
I kind of did the work before even when what
about Nellie um Nellie? He was in town. I saw him.
I was walking the same building I was walking to
for me and he was walking out. I text my manager, Yo,

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Nellie is in town. You find out why? He was like, yeah, sure,
so he finds out what knows in towns in town, right,
and then he said, hey, Nelly, correct with you to
night at nine. But we wrote there like two thousand nineteen,
and we had a show the next day in Minnesota's
all right, It's a hard decision to stand right with
Nelly or do I get on the tour bus because
me and my band, we hang out on the tour bus.
We play PlayStations, So don't play PlayStations right with Nelly.

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So I wrote with and then I just flew the
Minnesota the next day. That's how that one worked. Let's see,
so that I was gonna play some of Made for
These which is you and McGraw, like, play me a
clip of this those days. So if tim were two cent,

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because I'm assuming you guys did not record them at
the same time, right, Like, he went and did his thing,
and he sent it back to you. If you would
have said something back that wasn't your vision and heck
he didn't love would you have said, can we cut
this a little different? Or oh you what? Yeh? Because
I feel like when you're creating music and you wanted
to be the best and um, and I feel like

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a lot of times people work with legends and stuff
like that and they just like like, Okay, we'll just
take it because they're on it. But I still want
to be good, you know, I mean, and knowing Tim's capability,
like he killed that. So I remember Tim told me said, dude,
you're gonna make me like sing for real on this song.
He said, because you're singing for real, so I have
to sing for real. He killed it like he did
his thing. But yeah, if I didn't feel it was

(05:27):
done right, you know what I mean, like, hey man,
you mind redoing this part or we're doing that? Thing
you can say is no or screw you. But he
killed it, and I think you would say no or
screw you if he didn't. Feel like, I think people
are gonna kill me if I don't follow up on
you saying the times that you've spoken with Kobe, how
did you meet Kobe Bryant. Man, I met Kobe at

(05:47):
a Lakers game backstage. Uh well, and like round in
the locker room area and just shucks. I think I
was a game when he was playing, or after he retired,
he plan his plan. Um. I think it was two
thousand and Chucks Swimming Kobe two. That was on five No.
Two thousand six or twous that long ago. How did
you get in the locker room in two thousand and six? Man,

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I'm gonna tell you something about me. I used to
sneak in a lot of places, bro. Like I've snuck
in the Grammy parties. I've snuck into Seasick Awards. I
snuck into the Seamaze before if I got a record deal.
Because this is the thing. When you're a black guy
with cowboy boots on and a leather jacket and you
act like you know where you're going, nobody stops you.
So I was sitting, Um, I was sitting like four

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rows up behind the Lakers bench, and I saw people
just going backstage and get drinks. So I had a
cover in my hand and I just followed another group
of black guys. I think they were like rappers or something.
I don't know, but nobody stopped me. Then I was
back there just hanging out, act like I'm on my
phone talking. Kobe walked by said hey, what's up to him?
And how do you say? Hey, what's up to him?
Just walking by though, Like I was like, col what up?
Good to see you, bro, Act like I knew he said, Hey,

(06:52):
what's up? Man? He was like, he's like, what's your name?
I said, Jimmy. Then again, because he thinks he probably
met you at some point exactly, so I saw him there.
Then I saw him in a few events before we bumped.
We bumped into each other, like I think i've We've
had about over fifty conversations. Did you ever get to
the point where you guys just saw each It was
like Jimmy Kobe, Oh yeah, I got to that point.

(07:13):
Was it after you had started to get heat or
get success that it was a bit of a peer
to peer we're both then, Nah, it was more just
he saw me everywhere, like at different events he was
at in l A. I was there a couple events
in Miami he was there. I was there, Like I
used to like purposely put myself in places to meet
people because I feel like, if you want to be successful,

(07:34):
you gotta surround yourself with successful people. That's why I
was killing myself when I first moved to town and
move to Brentwood, because I knew most people lived in Brentwood's.
I ran into people at the gym, the grocery store,
at restaurants and I'll just talk to him. I was
watching you playing one of the celebrity Maybe it was
because I don't think they had an All Star Game
last year, but the year before, were you playing in
the Celebrity All Star Game? Now, I was Kane. I

(07:55):
played in the Celebrity Game a few year. I watched
you a few years ago. All my years are done. Yeah,
everything it was. It was a monster. It was just monster.
Inc celebrity game I did with Floyd Mayweather and like
t O and Gronk and all of them. Yeah, all
the celebrity games to me are the same, And I
don't know the difference than I just remember seeing you
play and I was like, dang, who was the best

(08:17):
celebrity basketball player on the court that night? Tar okay,
but he played what Tennessee State? Yeah, yeah he was good.
He was a college basketball Remove him. Remove anyone that
played basketball at a high level. I'll ask you this,
who is the best celebrity basketball player you've played with
or against that wasn't a ball player, that wasn't a

(08:38):
ball player. Probably Matt Stough. I beat him out here.
Matt still can turns it on. I tell you this, though,
I only beat him because we were shooting, and he's
six six and plays like a guard, which is incredibly difficult.
When Matt turns it on, he can hoop, Kane can hoop.
I still think I'm better than both of them, for sure.
Uh do you guys get competitive when you're with each

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other to the point where it'll get a bit chippy
at times? Not really chippy, because you know, we're like
we're out here playing, but at some point in the
game we both want to win. So it's like when
the game kind of gets close, well, you'll see people
like really turning up, guys that love ball and like
playball and competitive whether it's good or not. It kind
of turns it up a little bit. Even Gator turns

(09:21):
it up. Yeah, Gators competitive hustle. I called him, like
I say, he's an undersized white Dennis Rodman, an undersized
white Dennis Rotten. Dude rebounds like nobody ever seen before,
and his energy is crazy, crazy, scrappy. He's the type
a person you want on your team. He's oddly a
really good athlete, and I think he's goes to fifty

(09:43):
now something like that. There's least seventy two for sure. Yeah,
what is the Disney kick about? Because every time on Instagram,
not not recently, you've been pandemic though I've seen about
five times a couple of days ago. I'm going again,
what's the deal? What's the what's that rooted in? So
I fell in love with walk I told you, like
everyone that's motivated that comes from nothing I look up to,

(10:06):
that goes to you. Kevin Hart Walt Disney like, this
guy had his first character Oswald, stolen, came back, had nothing,
took loans out, bet on himself, created Mickey who he
was going to name Morti murder Mouse. I'm glad they wouldn't,
but he just showed that, man, you bet on yourself.
You worked your butt off. Um you you continue to

(10:27):
work even in the face of no and officially you'll
get where you want to go. So for me, that
was the first thing I was attracted to who walk
was like his determination. And then um, my family started
going as the last place me and my grandma went
before she died. Um, they had my daughter's baby reveale there.
I got engaged there. Um, so something that's been a
part of my family for a long time. So I

(10:48):
love it. What do you do when you go? Are
you riding rides or are you there are certain experiences
that you like to hit a certain times. Yeah. So
the first thing I always do is go to Magic Kingdom.
You gotta set the mood right, you know. Then I
ride a Cansul of Progress. I'm a classic Disney fan. Um.
And then I'll take a day, we'll do the VPP tours.
We could just jump to the front of lines, just
ride rides. After that, man, we chilled. Go to Animal Kingdom,

(11:10):
walk around, um, go to Epcot, eat, drink, hang out.
They got different festivals that they have come to me,
like right now is Flowering Garden to light July three?
And after that they got he knows the whole calendar. Yeah,
and then after that they got uh food and wine.
So like they have they have all their countries, but
then they bring in other countries to they have different

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food stuff so and I love food. But for me,
I never got to go to Disney as a kid.
You know, we didn't even go on vacation, but went
first time to DOT in twelve, but Win was an adult. Yeah,
me too. I went for the first time an adult too.
And so I remember, since I worked for ABC and
Disney owns ABC. We were after a shoot one day
and the guy comes up and goes, hey, you know
you go to Disney whenever you want and v I

(11:52):
P Like, they give you a guide and you can go,
and like they'll hook you up. And I was like really,
I said, why never? I never been. They're like, well,
then he said it's gonna ruin you because if you
go and we send you with the Disney v I P,
You're gonna cut every line. But you should do it.
And I was out and we were shooting Idol and
had a day off, which is very rare out there,

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and I said, you know what, screw it, I'm gonna go.
And so I go, and you know, the the woman
shows up. She doesn't like the plaid scard and she
knows the history and you're finding the little Mickey Mouse
is all over and I'm like a wide eyed kid
because I've never been before. And so I started to
feel guilty because it's a Saturday and we were cutting
two and a half hour lines. We're just walking around people.

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But I didn't feel so guilty. I stopped. I felt guilty,
but I still would still go to the front of
the line. It was hard, and you know, I don't
want to sweat. So we get there and she says
to me, she goes, hey, we're gonna walk with another
group of v I P people. We're gonna take a
little side under trail. And she's like, um, just disney
Land and l A, this is Disneyland, and she says,

(12:55):
so we're gonna take this whole trip. Um, it's not
a big deal. You're gonna run in some people. But
they were listen, I'm not famous, but they're so true, No,
but I'm not. But they're so worried about people bothering
famous people. And she's like, don't worry about anybody you're
near is going to be you know, someone who's not
gonna bother you. And I'm like, all right, and worried
about that anyway, but okay. So we go down and
there's this small lady long hair, and she's up ahead

(13:19):
of me and she's just kind of bee bopping around
a lot of energy. And I walked up beside her
and she's gonna get ripped clothes on, ripped jeans, and
I'm just walking on a look over and that small
older lady with Steven Tyler, who who I had met
a couple of times when he was in town and
was extremely nice and when I was an idol, was

(13:41):
he you went during that that him Randy and j Lo.
Well he was so nice to me here, but I
don't want to bother him or expect Steven Tyler of
Aerosmith to remember me. So so we're walking beside she goes, hey,
what what's happening to man? You just see something? Guy?
You have a guy walking? Next time? I'm like, hey, man,
how are you? And he goes Bobby B And I
was like, are you kidding me? Steven Tyler recognizes me

(14:04):
at Disney World with no prompt whatsoever. So my Disney
experience was pretty good too, And Steven Tyler was there.
Have you going to Disney World in Florida? Yet I
went and had dinner there because I had a friend
who now works at Apple Michael Bryan, who had programmed
there before, and he was like, hey, I'll get you
into that the greatest food place. But I haven't done

(14:25):
all the park stuff there. See we do it now.
So I went to My problem was in two thousand
and twelve, I like, work three jobs and saved up
enough and I took my mom and two of my sisters.
We went um. But then I went to Disneyland after that.
But Disneyland is so small compared to disney World. And
now I remember we were just there a couple of
weeks ago, a week ago, and we got to v

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Happy Tour again, and then they have two sets of
Happy Toys. They have some rep toys where you getting
the fast past lane and if you're a quote unquote celebrity,
they take you around the back through the exit and
you literally just hop straight on the ride. And I
felt so bad. I'm looking at these lines that are
like two and a half hours, little kids out there
waiting and sweating. But I didn't feel bad, you know why,
because I've waited in lines before. When I first was like,
you got this, kid, you work hard, man, you'll be

(15:08):
here too. You got this. You're giving the kids that
Kobe talked there two hours back in line man, hanging there,
you do anything? You got this, I've waited in my
lines with three hours. You once turned down a record
deal from a label in l A that I read
was gonna give you over a million dollars advance? Is
that true now? Because did they want you to be

(15:28):
a different kind of artist and you wanted to be
or was it terms of the deal and both terms
of the deal and the artists They wanted me in
my band to be kind of like a hip hop
version of One Republic. Um. So I wear when I'm
not performing and I'm wearing sweats and sneakers all day,
but on stage, I love my boots. Um, I love
my jeans. Uh. They told me they didn't want me
to dip. I had had my dip. Can they want

(15:50):
the songs to be more hip hop influenced to where
I love? I do love hip hop. I include hip hop,
R and b rock and all that stuff in my
music now, but it's it's intentional where I placed, they
wanted to just be heavy hip hop loop um, no
no live bands, none of that. So I was just
like h and then with that, with that advance, I
still had to take my money for myself out of it,

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and then my band, and then I had to you know,
uh pay for my first album with that, you know,
then you got taxes, and then so when it really
dwindles down, then you gotta pay it back. Right the
word advances where it's at, it's a loan, you know.
So for me it was just like nah, you know.
But for me, it really just came down to music
and creativity and kind of what I wanted to do.

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You know. Um, I have a what other people see
it or not, I kind of a vision kind of
for like my life, music, TV, film, radio, all that stuff.
Um So if something doesn't align with my vision, no
matter how great the opportunity might seem to someone else,
it's just not for me, you know what I mean?
Is it hard to and I could probably understand and

(17:00):
have empathy for the situation for you, Is it hard
now growing up with nothing to turn down really great
paying opportunities because they're right on the fence of feeling
right or just chasing the money. Man, it's hard to
turn it down sometimes. Um But I feel like you
can devalue yourself a lot of times and just saying
yes to everything, um, no matter how big the money is,

(17:23):
because no, every every time you sign on to do something,
you're giving a piece of yourself away. So my thing is,
if I give a piece of myself away, is it
worth it? You know what I mean? Does it align
with my vision? Um? Career? Does align with my vision
as a as a person? Like morally? Does it align
with with what I want to do? But so what
do you want to do musically? Like? What right now?

(17:45):
Where are you in your head and what you're trying
to do musically? Not even close? Um? I want to
want to continue to put music out, you know more.
My plan is hopefully one day be able to headline
arenas Um. But to me, that's a piece of it.
What about the kind of music you're making? Oh? I
love the kind of music I'm making? Um? At some point, um,

(18:08):
knowing me, I would probably do uh like a straight
just like Latin slash reggae album. At some points I
love Latin music. Um, I'll um uh where does that
come from? Where does this? Where does the love of
Latin music come from? In your life? Growing up at

(18:28):
kid in Delaware, man, I listened to everything like my
dad only listen to country, and my mom won't listen
to Christian, But I listen to everything growing up, Latin music,
you know, blues, rock, hip hop, R and B, jazz, classical, Um, Broadway.
I want to do a full on musical theater album,
like twelve songs and songs that were being a play. Um,

(18:49):
I just love it. So that's why I like two.
My planning to take four months off, go to New
York the Browers show, Uh do that we're working on
some TV movies. Go to New York and do a
Broadway show. What do you mean do? Like like Jennifer Nettles,
like when they go up and they're just a part
of a show and they live up there, part of
the show. So I'll take four months. My plan is
to be Aarin Burr in Hamilton's. Um did they know

(19:11):
that yet? Uh, they're they're about to. Uh U t
A is working on that right now. But yeah, it's
gonna take four months off, just gonna be a special
guest Aaron Burr. Listen, I know you stay off. I
got friends on Broadway. That's opposite off. Yeah, no it's not,
it's I mean off from touring. Yeah, it's eight shows
in six days. Yeah, it's right, it's a it is
a run. That's cool. Listen. I think sometimes people get

(19:34):
frustrated when they see people that want to do a
lot of different things because they think people are only
able to do a few things. Well, do you feel
like your labels like at times? Because I can tell
you at times my radio company has been like, hey,
why are you doing TV projects? Why are you touring?
Stand up? Like, how are you able to put all
of your effort into radio if you're doing these other things?

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And what people don't understand, it's all about expanding the brand.
And to me, it's about filling my cup. So I'm
better at everything. If I feel good. Like one of
my buds, i'd call him a friend. Dion Sanders always says,
if you look good, you feel good. If you feel good,
you play good. If you play good, they pay good exactly.
And if I'm doing things that I love, I'm better

(20:16):
at all the things that I'm doing because I feel
more fulfilled. I just wonder if you've got any pushback
from your people, and I have. You know, I've gotten
some pushback for me before, Like I remember when I
was writing this kid's book, comes out July thirte By
the way, come my voice is a trumpet. Um. They
were concerned about that, Well, how is it gonna have
time to write? I'm fine with with music, you know. Um,
like the TV and film I want to do, like, uh,

(20:38):
you know there's a show I can't say it yet,
but I'm musical director now for this new Netflix show
that comes out this year. Um from doing that, you know,
doing radio, TV spots whatever. But for me, it's kind
of like I have to do everything I want to do.
If I don't, I will go insane Because I tell people,
being a touring country artist is just a piece what

(20:59):
I want to do, not everything. Now there's some people
like that's it for them. They just wanna you know,
write country songs, have songs on radio and tour. That's
great for them. But for me, it's not. It doesn't matter.
I could win every c M A every a CM
have number ones out of number one, selling out of
readers across the world. I still wouldn't be happy because
that's only a piece of what I want to do,
you know what I mean. And and again, like I

(21:20):
tell people, you have to do what's best for you.
What's gonna feel you, you know, and half the people
tell them me that I shouldn't do it. Are also
people to grow up in two parent homes with money
as a kid. All right, listen, I'm gonna let you go.
I appreciate you coming. By way. We haven't done this
since the very beginning. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's
a very very beginning. You came to the other place
and we did it upstairs, and I got the calls
gonna be on it. I was like, hey, yeah, let's

(21:41):
goes like it's been a while. I appreciate that. I
appreciate you just in general. I think you're great for Nashville,
just what you stand for. And there's not even country
music artists, but to show people, listen, you don't have
to just do one thing. If you don't just want
to do one thing, you can specialize if you want.
You can specialize in a lot of things if you
want facts. So let's go, all right, Jimmy Allen at
Jimmy Alan. There you go. Moving on to number three,

(22:09):
and we're going with Scott's staff of Creed. I think
this is hands down one of the coolest interviews we've
ever done. And Bobby and I were both super excited
about it, and as a producer of this podcast, I
rarely get nervous about guests. I've had the chance to
meet everybody in country music to the point to where
you know, it's just somebody coming in for an interview.
You're I'm focused more on what's going to happen once

(22:29):
they sit down, that everything's perfect in line. The actual
them coming into the studio doesn't make me nervous at all. However,
when I was sitting across from Scott's staff, it made
me nervous. And this one was so good, Like I
was so just in it. When we were recording it,
I was worried something was gonna go wrong with the audio.
I was gonna lose the file. I think I was

(22:50):
so relieved when it was over. I hit stop and
saved this episode because I was like, this is one
of the greatest things that ever happened in the history
of this podcast. It was also the one that probably
took the longest to book. Usually we booked all of
our guests at the beginning of the month. With this one,
I think it was like three months out where we
had to book Scott's staff. We're trying to get him
on the radio show. We're trying to get them to

(23:11):
come in and perform, and then we finally settled, which
I think was the best option of having given them
on the podcast because we're able to sit down for
an hour and talk about literally everything. So this was awesome.
At number three is Scott's staff the lead singer of Creed. Alright, well,
it's Scott's staff of Creed. And most of the time
when friends come over, their friends and their buddies and

(23:34):
I'm like, hey, let's do this because they're promoting something
or or it's it's a fun conversation, But rarely do
I get to have someone in that I have been
a genuine fan of for twenty years, and so like,
I'm grateful that you took the time to come over
here and hang out and let me talk with you,
because again, I'm a fan and it's rare for me
to get to talk to someone in that capacity. Man,

(23:55):
thank you. That means a lot, bro, thank you, and
it's awesome to be here. Good times. I was kind
of looking back at some of the older um in
our younger days. Whenever you guys got together and there's
a big Florida State presence in the band because that's
where you you guys met to begin with. Right. And
so you go to Florida State, And what was your

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idea when you go to college? Like, what did you
want to be when you have to Florida State Because
a lot of people don't go to Florida State to
go I want to be in a band and be
a big star. Right. Well, I mean, I'll be honest
with you. The only reason that I left Orlando to
go to Tallahassee, uh and to end up going to
school at Florida State, it was because I was reading

(24:37):
a biography about The Doors and read that Jim Morrison,
whom I was a huge fan of and a huge
fan of The Doors, I went to Florida State, and
in my naive, uh nineteen eighteen or nineteen year old
mind at the time, I thought, well, hey, I mean
that that's just the way that that you meet music

(25:00):
and start a band and it yeah, And so I
went there with the specific goal of meeting musicians to
start a band. Uh. And that was that was the goal.
Did you have the major? Well? I did, um, it
was communications and minor in English and uh. And like

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I think I had like three or four miners because
I kept changing my major, Like I think it started
out as like philosophy and and uh, you know, and
and you know, so I got a lot of miners
and and and you know. My backup plan, which I
didn't really focus on too much, was I was going
to go to law school. Uh and uh and do that.

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And you've written massive songs of the crew basically everything.
How I have songwriter friends women do with their whole life.
I have written hit and they're really good. You hadn't
done it at all. And then you started writing songs
and you have so many, Like how easily or was
it not easy for you to start writing songs and
actually were good catchy songs hooks, you know. I think

(26:03):
I think we wrote probably seven or eight songs that,
you know, in trying to find our sound. And then
we wrote a song called Grip My Soul, which never
made a record, should have, but it didn't make the record.
We didn't record it, or maybe we did record it,
but it didn't make the record. That might have been
our eighth or ninth song. And I remember when we

(26:26):
wrote that song, we all looked at each other and
Mark and I specifically and we're like, okay, we got it.
We figured this is it. We figured it out, and
from that moment on, uh, what you hear on my
prison was written. We I mean literally only probably once
we figured out what our sound was from Grip my

(26:48):
soul to what was recorded on my own prison. Um.
I mean we probably only wrote fourteen songs and and
total since Mark and I were together, maybe twenty songs,
which is a very low number. For those were the
first twenty songs I had ever written in my life.
And that's my point exactly. Like I have friends that
have been doing it for twenty years. They wrote they

(27:09):
write sixty songs for a record. Now. The only thing
I can think of, man, is that that you know,
the the artist that I listened to, you know, being
YouTube also you know growing up listening uh, you know,
the only thing that was allowed in my home growing
up was was Christian rock or Christian artists. Um. And
so you know, I would listen to a lot of

(27:32):
Takes six and I think that's who taught me how
to sing, because I would sing along with those records
and sing every vocal part on that record. And then
d C Talk, which is became just between which became
which became Toby mac Um that was allowed in my house.
And and then you toube because the same thing that
people ended up doing with Creed, that we're in Christian

(27:53):
homes saying wait, wait there, Christian band, mom and dad,
even though Creed wasn't an official Christian band. Just you
Too is not a Christian band, but Bono is a
Christian um And so I snuck Josh Retreat, got it
into my house and was able to listen to that
by telling my parents that they were a Christian band.
But I think those those bands that I listened to

(28:15):
growing up. Stryper was another one. Uh that was was
a jam uh in my house. But I think all
that was just imprinted in my brain. I think song
structure and how to write songs based on those records
was just imprinted in my brain. Mark the same way
Mark was, He was much more. He was much different

(28:37):
than me, and that Mark knew what he wanted to
do when he was probably ten or eleven years old.
Mark knew he wanted to be in a rock band,
play guitar and write songs and be a singer and
a guitar player. He knew Um at least that that's
how I recall it. And so he he he, he
knew all these bands that I had never heard of.

(28:59):
He he learned all you know, he probably knew hundreds
and hundreds of songs on guitar, you know, by learning
him on tab and and just listening and playing them.
So of course that taught him song structure and and
taught him. So I think me just just hearing that
in him, I think we just inherently new structure and

(29:20):
how to put a song together, um and and and
then it just came out once we got together. We
didn't think too much about it. We never sat down
and thought, um, let's write a radio song, or or
we need to do this. We we were just like, hey,
that's the verse, that's the chorus, that's this. We never

(29:40):
we never put any pressure on ourselves. We just wrote
what made us feel good, because in the beginning we
were just playing for us. You know what I mean,
my own prison. I'm gonna play a few of these
hooks here here is actually my own prison. Whenever I
hear U saw from like when I mean like I

(30:01):
feel like I felt, then music does that, Like when
you hear a song that reminds you of a really
big part of your life. For a second, you feel
that part of your life again. And this record does
that to me? Is the record in general torn? Here's
a clip of Dorm What's This Life For? What's What?

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Which was a rock number one for you guys? Was
this a big separator for you guys? Did this one
turn you guys from a national known band to like
a whoa, here they come? I think, you know, My
Own Prison went all four of our first singles went
number one at rock and I think it was a
build um And then you know my Own Prison was

(30:42):
our first video that was on MTV and v H one. UM.
And then What's This Life For? I think was our
second video that was on MTV, n v H one,
and it was more of a It had more of
a appeal to a wider audience. What's this Life Ford did?
I think that's when I felt other people were knowing
about you get because the edge Dallas, I would have

(31:04):
a friend record, take a cassette tape because your kids
now don't know. You do record, play pause and you
undo pause, you record what's on the radio. And I
have a friend send it to me and he was like,
you gotta hear Creed What's This Life For? And I
was like, I already been known about Creed, but I
felt like that song. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely think
that that just you know, expanded it even further. And

(31:25):
I think the video had had a lot to do
do with that too, And I think it was it
was really palatable, um, you know, to a wider audience. Um.
And I think we began to see our audience by
by the time What's This Life For? And then once one,
the song one became a single and and had its time,
our audience really expanded from and was a mix of

(31:49):
men and women. And initially it was just you know dudes, um,
based on our first two singles, you know, into heavy
you know, heavy aggressive rock. But those two songs showed
a different side of the band and began to really
open up our audience. Uh. And then you know the
next record, you know, with Higher and did you feel
the rocket ship for the first record you make it?

(32:11):
You don't spend a lot of money on it, but
you're hustling, right, You've got fake representatives going to record stores.
I mean, you are in the hustle, right, do you
feel the rocket ship, or do you just realize, oh boy,
we're on it now. We expected it. We we were
so at least I did. I had this blind confidence
and and I had these blinders on, and I just

(32:34):
thought that it was gonna happen. I just had such
belief in the music that we were creating. And then
once we made the CD, and then once the record
label started coming down, I just thought that, Hey, here
it is. We're gonna be playing arenas soon. That's what happens.
That's what happens when you get a record deal and

(32:55):
you get on the radio, you play arenas. That that's idea.
I had no idea that that was only the beginning,
and and the chances of you you know, even making
it past your first single were slim to none. You know,
I was so naive. Um, But I think that was
a that was actually a benefit to me at the time,
because it took away any fear or doubt or or

(33:17):
or anything that could stand in the way of of me, uh,
you know, achieving uh and and giving what I needed
to give from my standpoint to make it happen. And
I think it was contagious, uh to the guys in
the band um, and and we all just had this belief,
um in what we were doing and and uh we

(33:39):
didn't We didn't think it would turn out any other way.
With you guys having your music already made and knowing
who you were as a band, did that make your
first deal easier to actually know what you wanted to
not get ripped off? Well, here here's another funny story
or not funny story. But we almost didn't have a

(34:01):
record deal. We had literally every major label interested, um,
and then one by one they started bowing out. I
don't know, Uh, they just they're interested, They're down, they're
talking with our managers, their meetings, they're talking with our
big New York lawyer that we had. Uh. They got

(34:23):
everybody signed, uh you know, and one by one they
would bail. And then it came down to Atlantic Records,
uh and the two knicks uh that we were talking to,
and we were in their offices uh meetings, New York
back and we were ad percent sure that that, you know,

(34:43):
it was going to be Atlantic Records, and uh, you know,
negotiations were going on the whole nine yards. I think
they ended up signing a band instead of us called
Seven Mary three, right and uh, and so we were like,
oh my god, what are we gonna do? How was
everybody dropping? Do you do? You know, I have no idea?
And uh then this little company never signed a band before. Ah.

(35:14):
A woman named Diana Meltzer and her husband Alan Meltzer.
They had just started a label called wind Up Records,
and somehow, I think through our lawyer are Blue Collar
Records c D got in Diana Meltzer's hands and she
heard it and she's was convinced that this She had

(35:39):
to sign this band. She had to sign this band. Uh.
So she told her husband Alan, I'm going to tell
hassee and I'm signing this band. Whether you come with
me or not. He came. He ended up listening to
the c D. He loved it. They came. Um, you
know it was so funny. I remember looking in the
crowd and you know, there wasn't that many people there

(35:59):
at that particular time. Um, and they looked like they
were in the mafia. You know. There was there was
this little guy in an all black suit, you know,
New York looking guy, and and his wife and all
black and and and we were like, whoa, who are
these two mafia people in the crowd and they were
standing in the center and they were just rocking out,

(36:20):
you know. And uh and then we our managers came
and said, uh, there's some record company folks that want
to meet with you guys afterwards. So we went to
this bar next door and it had like a rooftop bar,
and we went up there and we talked and and
they said, we want to sign you. And this is
right after we had, you know, been basically passed on

(36:41):
by everybody else, and we had no other option. Uh.
And in looking back, it was the greatest thing that
could ever happen to us, because this man was a
very successful businessman and he was starting a new business
and we got all the attention from his company, and
he did not want to fail. And he was a gambler.

(37:02):
We didn't learn that until later on in life that
he was a gambler. Uh. But he put all his
resources uh into into the band. Uh and uh. But
again we had no we had no other options, so
we we took it and uh, you know, again naive,
but he knew what he was doing. Uh. And so
we signed with little little wind up records, the engine

(37:25):
that could uh and uh. The rest is history. Did
you guys make any money off the first record after
signing with them, because it did so well. Uh yeah,
money started coming in. Yeah, I mean we we we
didn't have a very good deal. It's a bad deal.
What about your publishing from writing the song? Did you
get paid from that differently? Uh? We we got paid. No,

(37:46):
we we got publishing, we got recording, we got royalties. Um,
we just got a tiny advance and and just probably
you know, your basic crappy record deal that that was
probably pretty standard in in n um you know, I
mean our publishing deal. We still owned you know, the
vast majority of our publishing of course, um. And and

(38:09):
then had the typical probably standard record deal. Um. But
the record you know, went six times platinum, I believe. Uh.
And so we definitely uh you know recouped because they
used our demo. Man, they didn't just use the record
spent six right, and so we had nothing to recoup
except you know, a couple of music videos, uh and

(38:32):
maybe some tour support early on. Uh. And so yeah,
you know, our lives changed really quick. You know what
is that like you talk about a rocketship. When your
lives changed so quickly, do you go crazy or a,
you scared it was. It was happening, Uh, so fast,
and it was so awesome and it was such a

(38:52):
high and so exciting. Uh, and our dreams were coming true.
We were just enjoying every minute of it, man, Um,
without the thought of of it could ever end. You know,
we were just caught up in it. Did you guys
get a plane eventually? Yeah? After after Human Clay we
had a plane. We had a G five. Come on, Um,

(39:16):
you know what I mean? Yeah, man, I mean, but
Human Clay was so big, like it was next level.
When when Higher comes out, I mean, just that drum
part and you singing like that to me personifies that
whole like to your two thousand like time period in music. Yeah,
I mean Higher, what's and here's we'll play the club

(39:37):
of Higher in cause you have eleven under a rock
or your twelve? Was this another level for you guys
with a song? Yea, this took us this, this, it
took us to another level. Um, it took us higher,
pun intended. Uh and uh. And then you know there
was another song on this record. What if that was

(39:57):
tied in with the Scream three um movie? Uh? And
so we did a video uh with all the screen
three you know, actors, and and and and that also
you know, to have that title track for a soundtrack
and the whole movie machine behind that gave us exposure

(40:18):
to you know, another great greater portion of the world,
and and uh and then higher and then you know,
and then the grand slam that just took it, you know,
to the stratosphere. Um was arms wide open, which which
came later. I remember vividly that heartbeat and I don't
know if it was a radio version or the album version,
but it would be like, yeah, yeah, then well I

(40:41):
just heard that. That heartbeat still sits with me, like
that song comes out because that was a number one
pop song too. Yeah, like that's you beating everybody right again.
It had to be just another notch of what is
happening with our life right now. It was we were
in it and enjoying, enjoying it and just living it.

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And and like I, like I said earlier, we or
at least I let me just speak for me. I
thought that's what was supposed to happen to a band
when they got a record deal and got on the radio.
I didn't realize until years later that that's not what
happens to every band that gets a record deal and

(41:27):
gets on the radio. But in that moment, I did
so I thought everything that was happening was just what
was supposed to happen, you know what I mean? Um,
what would you go back and tell that kid? Though? Now,
oh man, I can tell that kid a lot. Um Man,
appreciate uh the people around you. Let them know, even

(41:51):
though you may appreciate them, let them know on a
regular basis. Uh. You know, I was so caught up
in and and you know, I had a lot of anxiety.
Uh that's one issue that I dealt with, you know.
And so every day that we had a big show
in front of an arena crowd or or wherever, you know,
I was nervous all day long. And so I would
I would kind of isolate myself because I was just

(42:11):
nervous and didn't want to mess up and whatnot. Uh.
And so I would tell that guy, hey, chill man
and and and just appreciate the people around you more
and let them know, you know, And and I did periodically,
but I would do more. Um also also spend more
time uh nurturing all the relationships that you make uh

(42:35):
in this business. Um. You know, I was so caught
up in what I had to do and in the
in creed and in writing the songs. Uh. And you
know that I think this peripheral things I didn't pay
enough attention to, uh that you know, as a more
mature human being now I realized are so important. I mean,
it takes a team. You know. It wasn't just the

(42:57):
band that was doing everything. Uh, it's it's the team. Um.
And so you know, I think I would definitely and
and also I would have I would have told myself, um,
you know, two look at it. This is a job too,

(43:18):
you know what I mean. And and it's not just
one big party, it's you know, uh. And so definitely
have a lot of things to say to my younger
self about relationships, about taking care of my myself mentally
and physically. Um. And and just appreciating every moment and

(43:38):
the people around me, like I said, um, and and
preserving and nurturing um, those those relationships. Despite what I
was going through at the time, would you get nervous
when a record would come out because you know my
own prison, Probably not because you hustled, but then after
it's a success and human Clay is about to come out,
or whether it's about to come out, are you like, well,

(43:59):
we gotta beat the last and or you just go
and let's just go fire them off. We were in
such a rapid motion from making a record, promoting singles
tour right back in the studio. We we wrote Human
Clay on tour because we only had like ten or
eleven songs to play and and so we were like,

(44:20):
we gotta write some more songs. So we were playing um,
you know say I and Faceless Man and and some
other songs off of Human Clay eventually Arms Wide Open,
Um and probably even higher uh live prior to recording
them on the album UM, and so you know, we

(44:40):
kind of would see how the fans would react. You know,
they were getting positive reactions, and so we just we
weren't thinking about failure. We we we never we never
thought about that. Uh, looking back, We just were so
focused on what we were doing in that moment and
U that the doubt didn't come in. We didn't we

(45:03):
didn't set any expectations on ourselves. With Arms Wide Open
written about your son, Yes, it was about it was
It was inspired when I found out I was going
to be a father for the first time. Yeah. Is
he an adult now? Yes? Why wild Like that's what
I'm like, How old am I? That's one of those
moments where you're like, well, yeah, well it's it's funny
that that. You know, my other three children, um, they

(45:24):
all know the song and it's it's kind of you know,
it's a family song. Now, it's for all of it's
for all of it's for all of you. You know
what I mean. It's just inspired by your big brother,
but it's for you too. He's at Scott's staff on
Instagram and TikTok um creed Instagram. Is still you guys
are still to me? You still rolling? Yeah? Man, yeah,
it's still rolling. Yes they are. Let's go. Let's do it.

(45:46):
You heard it here, Let's go. I will be from
roh alright, Scott, great to see you, Thank you, great
to see you. Thanks for having me. Bobby at number two,
we're going with Reba McIntyre. Now, it's crazy to me
that Reba just came over to Bobby's house and we

(46:08):
recorded an interview with her and one of the most
genuine people I've ever met, and to be an icon
in country music, you never expect her to be as
nice as she is. But she pulled up, got out
of her car, walked in the door, and immediately looked
at me and introduced herself. She's like, Hey, I'm Reba,
and this is somebody who everybody can recognize. Reba a

(46:31):
person who does not have to introduce herself at any cost,
but she did. It just kind of shows you the
person she is. And when it comes to the really
successful people in music, they are always the nicest. It's
always the icons who are the nicest. People like Garth,
Dolly Parton, Reba have all had that same quality when
I've had the chance to meet them. And this is

(46:52):
another one we've been wanting to do for a very
long time. All the stars finally a line and we
were able to sit down with Reba. So here it
is at number two, Reba McIntyre in studio with Reba.
At what point did it just turn into just Reba Gosh?
I think in um Nanny four, was that a conscious
decision by you and your team to go, I want

(47:14):
to be an icon, so let's just go with Reba
or it was a Marvel's idea. Yeah, And I liked
it because only when I signed my autograph. I only
had to put Reba because I'm lazy. Now it's kind
of weird to hear McIntyre. Yeah, I like it. When
I'm doing liners and things, I say, have Reba McIntyre
because that has a cadence for me. But just to

(47:37):
do Reba's fund with me too, I go with it.
I guess you have to drag out Reba. I'm Reba Reba. Hey, Hey,
I'm Reba McIntyre. It just sounds better to me. It's
funny to see, whenever you look at your career, even today,
how relevant you are pop culture wise. Today I'm watching
ted Lasso and they're like, hey, we love the tickets
under Reba McIntyre, and so that that itself. And we

(48:00):
watched that episode I think two weeks ago, right did
they Did you know that was going to be in
that show at all? No? I was sitting there with
riddenl Or, my dog. I was sitting there watching TV
and and Roy Kent, my favorite character of the whole show,
comes up and says, I think you're holding a ticket
for Rebo McIntyre, went Riddler, did you hear that? I
was through? Marty said the same thing. She's sitting there

(48:22):
with her dog Cooper. So it was it was fun
the same kind of thing because I'm on TikTok a
lot when you know I'm a survivor, is I must
And it's everybody doing like their little household things. You know,
someone you know throws away the trash. You know that
became and it still is a huge you know TikTok trend.

(48:43):
That did that come out of nowhere for you too?
And did someone come up and go read all of
a sudden, this song is massive on TikTok. Yeah. I
think Justin was the one. He sent it over to me,
Justin McIntosh and uh he said, look at this, looks
what's look what's going on? And I said, well that's
pretty cool. I said, these kids weren't even born probably
when it was out first time, and he said, we

(49:03):
need to do one. So we did and then it
just got bigger and bigger, very flattering. It's it's it's on.
For a few weeks that was the most the thing
that I had seen the most. Now what's odd is
that um uh neon moon is having its tow Ronnie.
It texts me and goes, hey, what's happening here? And

(49:23):
I was like, what do you mean, what's happening? And
I don't I don't know. The guy that runs TikTok
he was like, our our song is being played all
over the place. It's got some mix and then now
there's like a dance to it. But it is really
cool to see out and it's the easiest dance too,
And some of those dances I look at I can't do.
But it's like the Eat. But that song that Mike
that remix everywhere, isn't it everywhere? I'm a Survivor and

(49:44):
Neon Moon are probably other than Walker Hayes's fancy, like
like the two biggest songs on TikTok, but it's it's
just cool to see. I wouldn't even say every you
know generation, which I would say like ten years, but
it's like you just stay relevant and if someone comes
to you and says, you know, what's the keyest sting,
what how do you do it? How do I do

(50:06):
do it? I don't do nothing. I've got a great
team that come up there young. They can think of
great things for me to do, and I just go
do it. And thank god, fans like that thought it
was interesting enough to sit on the toilet seat and
change the role of toilet paper paper and then turn
into rebund good job. You know, I'm a survivor. It's

(50:26):
just cute things like that. I'm very flattered more than anything.
The songwriters, I mean I I text them and I
sent the TikTok over to them saying, look what's going
on for y'all song? So it's something we can all
can share and celebrate with. But it is so good
and it proves one thing, a great song will live forever.
The you did a whole album with different remixes on it. Yeah,

(50:50):
was the remix album inspired by it kind of blowing
up again or were you already in the works with
that before it blew up on TikTok? Cindy maybe came
up with the idea of revisiting the catalog, and so
their team, my team, they all got together and started
coming up. I mean, I'm the first time we all
said at a long conference table and they were telling
me the ideas was that two years ago or a

(51:12):
year ago at least two when we could without mask
And I was like, oh crap, they're they're serious. They've
got a lot of ideas here. And after the first
fifty I was like, man, this is cool. And after
that I was like, oh crap, I'm gonna be way
busier and I want to be probably, but they were
coming up with all these ideas and then the three

(51:34):
albums and three ways of doing fancy, and I thought
it was just genius. And so here we are promotment.
Now did you feel precious about Okay, I know you
want to remix these songs, but to a lot of people,
these songs you know, uh define you know, different parts
of their life. Or were you like, hey have that.
I'm curious to see what you guys do with three

(51:55):
The latter I was saying, go for it. Then when
they said I'm a survivor as a dance mix, I said, really,
But it turned out great. It's fun to look at
your top streaming songs. Fancies number one of all that
when we went through all the different services, Gonda added
them all up, Fancies number one, and I never and
I'm probably I'm sure that you've heard this many times.
Whenever I was singing fancy as a kid, I never

(52:17):
really knew what fancy was about until I got to
be an adult. And then when when I found out
what fancy was about. I was like, wow, I've been
singing that song a little too passionately, like I was
singing it. I was singing it hard. I mean, I
was really into it. And then it's like one day
you just go, oh, how about that? How about that? Yeah,
the little girl coming to school and won't just sing

(52:38):
fancy for the talent not and she goes, do you
know what this is about? She's yeah, she gets a
brand new red dress from her mama. Okay, and then okay,
if that's what you think it's about, that's great. So
when you recorded that song, was there any talk with
your with you your team, like oh, this is kind
of an area that we're gonna be singing about that

(52:59):
maybe is talked about a whole lot in contemporary country music. Well,
when I was with Jimmy Bowen in the eighties, he said,
is there a song you want to do do? A remix song?
And I said, yeah, Fancy. He said, oh, woman, you
don't need to be doing that. That's about a prostitute.
I said, I'm totally aware of that. And so when
I went with Tony Brown in ninety, he said, would

(53:19):
you like to do a song again? And I said, fancy. He's, oh,
my gosh, that's my favorite song. So we did it.
So it had been discussed years earlier and you decided
not to cover it, but I was vetoed. Yeah, it
was like, nope, you can't do that. Well this whenever
h the night the lights went out in Georgia, which
I know that song because of Mama's family and then

(53:42):
you know, doing research on her and then realizing she
was a singer. You Vicky Lawrence, Um, when you do
that song? Was it similar or did you go We're
just gonna do it? And right away the same thing.
Tony said, is there another song you'd like to do
a remix? To do it again? And I said, yeah,
that's the night the last one out in Georgia. And
you know, Vicky, that was her one and only song

(54:02):
she recorded went number one. That amazing. Do you have
a conversation with a person if they're alive, Like, did
you talk to Vicki ins? And what was her thoughts?
Like have at it? Oh? She was thrilled to death. Yeah,
but it was after I did it when I talked
to her. Remember she had that talk show at TV
talk Show and I went on envisited with her and
we sang it together on on the show. That's pretty cool. Yeah,

(54:23):
I would assume even for you, that would be pretty cool.
And you get to do everything cool. Oh, everything I
get to do cool. I am thrilled to death about it.
I don't take it for granted. Still, after all this time,
you're not jaded at oh no no. When I got
to do the video with Dolly Parton, I was like,
I was the biggest fan in the room. You know.
It's it's wild to hear someone who I look at

(54:44):
as being the greatest you to look at Dolly at
the greatest she is, and to to know that you
would walk into a room with her and be like,
in awe, when you moved to Nashville. Where was it Doll?
Was Dolly available when you moved to Nashville? Or was
she in l a Was she in that face? I

(55:04):
don't know. The first time I saw Dolly was September
sevent ninety seven in person, the day the hour I
was gonna go on and do my first performance at
the Grand Old Opry, and they told came up and said,
we're gonna take one of your songs away from you.
You only do one And I said why simple? Dolly
Parton just pulled it into the parking lot and I said, well,

(55:25):
she didn't take both of them. Can I meet her?
And she walked buying this chaffaun black pants sued and
had those butterfly rhynd stone butterflies on and this big
cotton candy hair. Aw man, that must be what angels
looked like. That was the most beautiful woman I ever
saw my life. And did you say hello? No? I

(55:46):
was backed up again like everybody else was. I mean,
they said, art the waves, Dolly's coming in and I
slammed back up against that wall and just watched. I
don't think her feet touched the ground. She was an angel.
And when did you guys have your first you know
where we kind of do the same thing experience years later,

(56:07):
and then she came on the reab A TV show
and we got to spend the whole week together. That
was precious. That's absolutely love, that priceless. I just look
at you. Two is out of the same cut of
the same cloth. We are as country as can be.
You have ambitions that are bigger than just singing country music.
Although that's your most that's your pillar. You have ambitions

(56:29):
other than just that, and you both did it at
a really high level. And I would think that that
hopefully she would be someone the same thing with like
Taylor to you, you know, with some of these other
artists who are doing that, that that that you can
reach out to it after a point and get advice
from her to that ever happened when you reach out
like Dolly, you know, can I can I pick your
brain at all? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I have done that.

(56:51):
I did that in the early nineties a phone call,
and she took my call. A matter of fact, I
called her. She was at I think Caesar's in Vegas,
and I was in Baker's Field somewhere and I needed
a piece of advice from her, and and um, she
is on the tonight show the nup before and she
said she's going to Vegas, won't be at Caesar's. So
I call Caesar's, but you actually called the casino and

(57:15):
I said, um, I need to speak to Dolly Parton please.
She said, one moment, please, who's calling? I said, Rebul
McIntyre And presuming Dolly came on the last she said,
is this really Reba McIntyre or some squirrel that wishes
she was rebul McIntyre. It's me. That's funny to think about.
We just have to call I mean, I haven't thought
about having to do that. We just had to call

(57:36):
a place to get someone. You have to call a
restaurant and be like hey my uncle there. Yeah, that
was like back in the day. I want to play
a little clip of does He Love You? This is
you and Dolly here this here, love you, love you,
lose me? He loves me? Does he think of you?

(57:56):
Does he think of you? On? He was How cool
is that to hear? Even though you've heard it ten
thousand times? Yeah, you're right because when we first heard it, uh,
Dave Cobb was the one that produced this one, And
when we were going down the list of all the

(58:17):
songs and listening to him, and does He Love You
came up and I sat there and listen. I said
play it again, and we listened to it again. It
was just the best. Can I ask about the original
version because from me moving to Nashville, I've gotten to
know Linda Hillary's mom pretty well, like I love her. Yeah,

(58:40):
but I remember watching that CMT you Guys video. It
was one of the videos that and probably propped me
up beside the jukebox when I die. Probably two that
I really, you know, remember and think about from from
kind of that part of my life. But originally I
had read that you thought, maybe why knowing it would
be the one, but Linda killed it singing it, and
you're like, we have to go with that? Is that

(59:00):
story true? Well, parsilely, Linda was on the road with me.
She and Hilary's dad, Blank Scott. They were on the
road with me, and I thought, Linda, we could do
this every night on stage because she's backup singers. I
was featuring her on some songs because she had a
record deal, and so Tony said, well, let's well the
record label of course, wanted either Tricia or one on

(59:20):
A and I said, but it's right here. It's so handy.
And they said, well, let's keep working on it. And
I said, well, in the meantime while I'm recording it,
would can Lenda just step in and do the other
parts so I have somebody to sing against. They said okay,
And when she got through, Tony said, she got the part.
Did you tell her? Then? Hey, you're just gonna sing
this as kind of a demo version, do you think

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in her mind she was like, I'm gonna sing this
so good that hopefully they can't refuse that. You know,
Linda is so honest and so innocent. She was just
probably glad to be there and just I don't know
what was in her mind, but I knew she would
kill the song love it. And you know, Olinda has
to do a sing and she she sells herself. It's wonderful.

(01:00:04):
Did you know that Dolly would say yes if you
asked her to do that? Did you worry she wouldn't
say yes? That's why I said, managers talk to managers.
I didn't want to put Dolly on the spot. Besides,
I don't have her phone number, so I thought it
would be a good idea just to go in that way.
She had an out if she didn't want to do it.
The new box that Revived, remixed, re revisited is out now. Uh,

(01:00:25):
that is on the box set. You're also doing the
Christmas and Tune, which is the Lifetime movie. Where does
the acting rank on your passions? Now? I love to act.
I don't like to sit around her up and wait.
I don't like that part of it. But I'm doing
several episodes of Young Sheldon on CBS. I love to
do that. I love the acting. I love the preparation.

(01:00:46):
I love to memorize my lines. I like almost all
of it. I like the being an executive producer. I
like being at the beginning. I like to rewrite and
uh if they let me do that once in a while,
and they've been they were really nice on Christmas and
tune to let me do that. Rex helped me tremendously.
My boyfriend, Rex Lynn, he was boy. He would make

(01:01:07):
me rehearse every day. I knew not only my lines,
but I knew everybody else's lines because he would be
every other character and I'd be me. So it was fun.
It was I was very prepared for that role. Whenever
you started to do Rebuild Your your television series, did
you guys get a straight deal or did you do
a pilot and then the pilot got picked up? Do
you remember I'm getting them all mixed up? Because then

(01:01:29):
we did Malibu Country. Um, I was in the midst
of doing any Get Your Gun. We went in in April.
I took ten days off from and he Gets Your
Gun to do go to California shoot the pilot. Then
we went to Upfronts, which is in May, and I
had done eight shows that week. I got Monday off,

(01:01:53):
Tuesday morning was up front, so I had to be
but crack of dawn over there. And they changed the
name three times. When we filmed the show for the pilot,
it was the script was called Sally, and Marvin went
to him and said, you know, if you did the
afternoon filming as Sally and then in front of the

(01:02:15):
audience tape it and Reba b Reba instead of Sally,
then let's see how that tests out. And they said, okay,
so the title went from Sally. By the time I
got to Upfronts, it was deep in the heart because
we were off from Houston, Texas and we were the
Heart family. So then there came out this thing on

(01:02:37):
the USA today that they're publisist publicists had said, why
the w B had ever hired Reba McIntire for this
part is ridiculous. She's not of our what do you
call it? Um people that watch, Yeah, she's not our demographics.
And so the head of the cup need called by

(01:03:00):
the time we got back to the hotel after up
Fronts and said, terribly sorry, terribly sorry. What can we
do to make up for this. Well, I'd already gone
back to bed. I had a performance that night. So
Marvel was talking to Hernie. He heard me get up
and go to the bathroom and out the other room
and he said, um, hang onna, let me put reb
on the line. Banged on the bathroom door. So pick
up the phone and and I said, I said hello.

(01:03:22):
I said, we're terribly sorry what happened and what was
in the USA today? What can we do to make
this up to you? And I was half asleep and
I said, uh, oh, well, she said, well Marvell said
if we call it Reba, you'll be happy with that.
And I said that's a wonderful idea. Thank you, hung up,
went back to bed. So that's how I got the
name Reba. And so you go, did you move out

(01:03:42):
to l A because it was that like you said, Hey,
I got I just gotta go. If I'm gonna do this,
I don't need to visit it, I need to go
live it. Oh we had. We were there three weeks.
So what happened was I got through it and he
gets your gun. On June we went to Ireland for
a vacation. I did five weeks all girl Tour and
then went to l A. Found the found an apartment,

(01:04:03):
a condo we lived in for the first season because
you never know, it could go thirteen weeks and you
don't get picked up. But then we got picked up
on the back nine, and then Marvel went house hunting
and we bought a house and we were there for
six and a half seasons. Did that ever feel like
home out there? I loved living in l A. I'd

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love to go back and do another show. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Have you guys, you know, explored different versions of that.
Have you been close, real close? Have you shot a
pilot to anything? Yeah, the Mark Cherry pilot. We did
one called ox Blood and they passed on it. It's
always a weird thing because I've shot a few pilots

(01:04:44):
and had it passed on where you feel like everybody
so pumped about it and everybody loves it. But then
might have been talk shows and like, oh this is it.
Research has been great? Yeah, it's been, it's tested so wonderfully. Well,
let's spend someone. Well it's just right now. So is
that showed? That show is done. That show is done, unfortunately,

(01:05:07):
which I thought it was gonna you know, last forever.
I thought I'd retire off of that show. I mean
the ox Blood that show. That's yeah. Mark Cherry, I
love his show now Why Women Kill It's just he
is a genius. I saw my wife watching that show
one day and I was like, why are you watching Why?
I don't know what it was about, just exactly what
are your motives? Why are we learning from this show? Yes?

(01:05:31):
What my my favorite duet in country music, the cow
Girls Don't Cry that thanks. That song to me, I
think is the sad It's We're in the land of
sad songs. I mean, we have the format of the
greatest sad songs of all time, because I think we
have the format of the realist songs of all time.
Cow Girls don't Cry that song to me? And maybe

(01:05:53):
it's because I just didn't have a dad growing up.
Maybe it hits me like that and I'm not a
cow girl, but you know there's that relationship like when
when you heard that song, like, were you moved? Yes,
because I am a cow girl and my daddy was
a cowboy and a very strict uh cowboy. And so

(01:06:14):
when we do that song on stage in Vegas, there
is a huge screen behind the stage behind the setup,
and I'm walking on stage for my part and running
and kicks already out there, and I happened to look
up and see that cowboy. I barely got my notes out.
It choked me up so bad. I mean, that song

(01:06:35):
still doesn't anytime we do, or anytime someone's interviewing me
about country music and they're talking about emotion and song like,
that's the one I still go to after all these years.
And and you know, we could was fifty great sad songs,
but that one to me, and maybe it's the time
I when it cut and how it hits me personally.
I'm not even a cow girl, like I said, no
cow girl with me when we when you're out on

(01:06:57):
tour and we will end with this, She'll be out January.
Do you feel like you've put an unhealthy expectation of
you having to wear all the great clothes all the time. Yes,
don't you ever just want to go and sweats and
be like, I'm gonna sing you eight songs and sweats.
I'll never forget seeing Shannai Twain come out. Um. I
wasn't there in person, but I saw it and she
had those fluffy little workout pants on and tennis shoes

(01:07:18):
and her hair in a ponytail, and I was like,
I'm way overthinking this. And she had all her dancers
be Bob Brown. It was so cool, and I thought, man,
why didn't I think of that? Okay, thank you, thank you, Bobby.
Nice to see all of you. That was awesome And

(01:07:38):
at number one, the best Bobby Cast of it's going
to Brothers Osborne. I think this is the one we
had the most messages about ever when it came out
the day when live, the response was like enormous. I
think it's because this episode in particular went back to
kind of the roots of this podcast, in the early episodes,

(01:07:59):
in the the phases of the Bobby Cast. I think
the really great episodes are ones that felt like a
therapy session. A lot of times in the early interviews,
people would cry that was kind of a thing that
the conversation would get so in depth, to the point
to where some people would forget they were talking into
a microphone and it was just Bobby and the guests
having this really kind of heartfelt conversation, and we got

(01:08:23):
to know them so well that it felt like a
therapy session. And there was one point in this episode
that I think we kind of all forgot. There was
microphones in front of everybody's faces and it was just
Brothers Osborne and Bobby having this very genuine conversation. So
the best episode of the year, and I think one
of the best episodes that we've ever done on the podcast.
So at number one, the top interview of one on

(01:08:46):
the Bobby Cast. Brothers Osborne in Studio Now with Brothers Osborne.
The first time that I saw you, guys, I had
been dragged to what they call a radio show boot camp.
It wasn't about country music. Heck, I wasn't even in
country music. I was. I had built my own syndication
company and I was doing pop and hip hop. But
I was getting trouble because I would put Dirk's on

(01:09:07):
ut William and be like, why are you playing coutchy
music on pop radio? Kind of what it happens now.
Just on the other side, I'll bring in for ll
I'll bring in somebody and they're like, why are you
bringing in for all lot of country. I just always
knew what I liked. It didn't matter to me really
what format at what Most people are that way, I
think people are too right. But I was over there
doing that and we're in this theater and I was
ready for some other you know, jabrown need to get

(01:09:28):
up and talking about something in radio that I was lame,
and they were like, all right, before we go, we
got these two guys on a showcase to you. I
think it was Chicago. Yeah, And they were like, I'll
never forget. This is one of the most awkward moments
in our Brothers Osborne. And I was like, music, like
I'm trying to like and I also don't know if

(01:09:48):
you recall this, but they said Brothers Osborne. And then
the guy decides in that moment to change the batteries
and the microphones. I'm like, why didn't you do this
like ten minutes ago? Do you kidding me? So we
had a dan. They're on stage where everyone had been
they had clapped, finished clapping five minutes ago, and he's
changing one by one of these batteries. I was like,
oh my god, I could kick you straight off the

(01:10:09):
stage right now, and uh, let me started performing a
new one. Really cared. Can I say another thing though
about that? I found really bizarre about that since you
worked in different like formats and radio why are the
popery of people so insanely arrogant? Like I feel like
a lot of them artists, but but I find like
these people, you know, like I feel like it's probably

(01:10:30):
unusual in country, like you actually do know most of
not all the country artists that come through here, but
they always pretend like you listen to a pop station,
they'll be like, oh, yeah, I was saying with my
boy Drake, and I'm like, I guarantee that you maybe
just saw him in Meat and Great and it's so
weird and they're like the most and that that thing.
I found it almost like unbearable to watch these people

(01:10:51):
co exist together because you had the country people who
were like really cool and hanging out and some of
them have their their egos, and then all the pop
people were like, screw the country guys, even though I'm like,
these guys have stations that are like five times the
size of yours. I don't know why that why that happens,
But it's culture. The answer is culture. You are in
the pop world taught to look as cool as you

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absolutely can't even if you don't have it in the
country world. And I find this with myself too, because
I'm in California a lot, working in the country world
or the Nashville world, or the South or what however
you want to use. You know, we are taught. Hey,
even if you are cool, kind of scale it back
a little bit because nobody gives a crap. Nobody does.
So it's it's basically that that's the difference pop radio

(01:11:32):
versus Los Angeles, versus Nashville versus country radio. It's when
I go and I'm shooting American Idol, they think that
I am, first of all, showing up with a haycy,
you know, overall. But they're also like, he's just the
greatest guy. He's just a And it's like, I'm like
everybody else here. You know, I don't get an award
for being the greatest guy. I'm a good dude. But

(01:11:54):
you gotta good dude around here. You don't survive prune
the bad dudes here big time quick. And so yeah,
and they're like, oh, he's just the greatest because there
if you don't show up with an entourage, even if
you can't afford it, that's and that's anti that culture
that they promote. So that's it was such a observation
that you saw. That's how it is here. If you

(01:12:15):
show up with an entourage, you everyone's laughing at you,
Everyone's like rolling their eyes. I mean that's like, in
the same way that Vince Gill, arguably the greatest singer
and songwriter musician of all time of all genres, shows
up by himself to like an event and where's his
lanyard around his neck with his name on it, just
to make sure that everyone he can get backstage to

(01:12:37):
a place he's playing. And then he's just cool and
then he packs up his own guitar and walks off
and drives his own ass home. I'm like, if he
can do it, anyone can do it, right. I mean,
I saw Stapleton drive up to a show once in
his old truck in Nashville, get out be like, hey,
I'm Chris, and they were like, oh you are him,
and they just lay the lit him. He just literally

(01:12:58):
stables and drop his old truck, parked it behind and
Rieman and walked in the back just to do his show.
And I was like, but yes, it's a culture. People
in that pop culture have to act cooler than they are.
People in this culture have to act less. And you
really see it too. At the Grammy Awards, I feel
like it's so funny. Once again. You'll see someone from
country walk in and everyone's like, oh, this hokey you

(01:13:20):
know s ob Meanwhile, I'm like, this dude sells like
ten times the amount of tickets. You do, like, you're
not that cool, like just chill, you know, do just
have fun? Why is it such a you know, it's weird.
They're like, oh, wow, they're so nice. Shouldn't you just
And I felt that way too early, but now I
just take it. I'm like, I'm the night of this guy.

(01:13:44):
I would go to meetings where and I didn't realize
that it was so counted or that culture. But I
would go to meetings and pitch TV shows, not for
me because I produced a couple of shows, and I
would go and I'll be like, I go meet I
met with Less before I got in trouble. I wouldn't
met with Less move as who was the president of
CBS and all his people. And I showed up by
myself at the gate and I just you know, took
an uber got out and they were like, you're here

(01:14:07):
by yourself, where's waiting for your team? I was like,
I'm the team and they were just so shocked by it,
and they said, they verbally said, this never happens, nobody
comes alone. This is still refreshing. And I went, oh,
I will not do this forever. So when I go,
and that's what I would have done anyway, I go
by myself and I show I get a little backpack on,
and I'm like, hello, guys. But they're like, you're the

(01:14:29):
nicest guy. I'm like, I'm not. But it is. It's
it's definitely a culture thing. But you guys grew up
where you grew up in Maryland. I have to think
felt like the South compared to its compared from New
York and Boston in a place where I got Yes,
I think it's it's interesting, and I think it's probably

(01:14:51):
a lot of why our music is the way that
it is. Is we It's like to the Northerners, we
are just like these red knecks down where we're from.
And then people from the South treat us like word
of these Yankees, and it's kind of like we're in
kind of everything. No one really wants to claim us.
I'm not really sure what's going on, but it is
a very like homogeneous thing where I do. We do

(01:15:11):
feel part Northeast and part Southern. It's really really strange.
That's funny you say no one wants to claim you,
because I felt for a while, because I'm not just
saying this because you're here. I've been fans of you
guys since the first time I heard you. I was
just like, love you guys. And I think I think
even I would tell you guys that i'd bring you
on the show, and you play stuff and you've been
very supportive. And this isn't me. I don't want to

(01:15:32):
her mailbow patting myself in the back, but my point
is is that I felt like even the format country
music did that to you for a minute to not
but they're like a little too rock. And then I'll
be like, now there's a little two country where you
kind of were in that same spot where no one
wanted to claim you. Exactly did you feel that way? Still?

(01:15:52):
I think you know. The thing is is that we've
realized I think there's a lot of a lot of
fans out there who are the same um for whatever reason,
and it's actually been now that we are where we are,
I think we've done really well touring because of that,
and we've been able to make a lot happen off
off of comparatively um, not a ton of radio success.

(01:16:13):
And I think obviously to a new artist we've had,
we have had a decent amount of radio success, but
we've gotten a lot done with with with not much.
And uh. And to to come full circle, though, you
mentioned something and we were kind of heading there with
your story talking about that that radio similar thing that
was extremely bizarre. And I've told you this before, but um,
we just got to meet you. I think you were
new to country, so everyone was like, I don't know

(01:16:34):
about this guy. You know, it's like fresh blood. Everyone's like,
and you're immediately coming into like one of the biggest
like slots in radio. Um. But you sat there through
the entirety of our performance. Most people could care less
that we were playing. There was very few people in
the room that paid attention. And and I will always
remember remember that you um attendive to the entire thing.

(01:16:54):
Whether it was because you felt incredibly sorry for us,
I'm not really sure that probably has a lot to
deal with it. But thanks about thank you you talking
about it's you know when you say we haven't had
as compared to a new artists a lot of radio success.
It's funny because there are some songs that will hit
number four but feel like a number one. But some

(01:17:15):
artists right not even know you guys specifically, but urban
will come in and I think, like Gonna Fly or
something was never a number one, right, Well, He's like,
you know, but it feels like the number one because
people were I feel like, because I had to look
at like the chart to see where you felt like
you guys get more credit for having radio success because
it feels like a lot of your songs were bigger

(01:17:35):
than maybe numerically they were getting. And you are right
the way. There's a really kind of a one of
my favorite sayings amongst radio promos people, as they always say,
not every hit is the number one, and not everyone
number one is a hit, and you know, it is
weird and John and I have just racker brains all
the time thinking about that. Some artists have a bunch

(01:17:57):
of number ones and you can't remember them, and then
some people have hardly any number ones, but you remember
all of their material. And I don't know why it
works that way, but I definitely feel that way for us,
and that was why I really particularly missed playing in
front of a crowd for a year and a half
is for us, like a song like all Night, We
felt like that would be a big hit. It was,

(01:18:18):
it did okay, But now that we're out playing it,
it's like you would have thought the song was was
that number one for a month? I mean it's people
go bananas for it now. It was really hard for
us to I think it went to like twenty on
the charts or something like that. That that was that
felt like, it's like with this rejection. But usually John
and I don't pay a whole lot of attention to

(01:18:39):
that because we're seeing it live and we're like, okay,
it's working. But now that we are um back at it,
I'm like, okay, now I get you know what what
we do? Why we do what we do because it works. Uh.
And it was extremely hard for us in the pandemic
to just only be able to look at a chart
position that was the one. Again, who knows what chart
I'm looking at here? I think this was maybe media base. Yeah,

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so All Night was one of the ones that I
specifically pulled and was like this thing was only in
the twenties. Yeah, here's a clip of All Night. Another
one was and I bet you that it just lights
up a live show. It ain't my fault. Yeah, I
gotta imagine hands come up and that, oh yeah, every
night it is little. Yeah, I gotta imagine people hit

(01:19:22):
this song as hard as any number one live. Well. Yeah,
the thing is our biggest which does very well, Our
biggest song on UM the chart position wise or whatever
was Stay a little longer, but people come. The majority
of the crowd the song they're waiting to hear is
this one? I mean, is it ain't my fault? Yeah,
that's the one that they call for the most. You know,
stay a little longer. It was being our only number

(01:19:43):
one it UM people love that song, but they stay
for all night. They want to hear it, but they
stay for that. And right now we're onto our current single,
I'm Not for everyone, and we're it's charting, we're doing
pretty good, but we're like, hello, can we like can
we get moving here? Like this for still? Just like
hey in the forties, like what's going on? But now
that we're going out and we can play it and

(01:20:04):
people are already responding like we're playing UM a hit song.
It's like Okay, it's just that there's some there's other
things that play here more than than just a chart position.
It's a huge part of what we do, but it's
not the only thing, and it can be. It can
drive I think it even artists that have lots of
number ones. If you just look at a chart, it
really will just eat you from the inside out. It's

(01:20:25):
really frustrating, especially from like the forty two to thirty
one spot that's like the swampy no man. So you're
just trying to climb out and if you can get out,
you got a shot. And then if you're looking at
the chart, especially being in this business now for as
long as we have, it's like we know nearly everyone
that's on the charts. When your friend jump you, you're like, oh,

(01:20:46):
I'm canceling dinner with I think it all comes down
to like what's your what Like, what's your own metric?
You know? And there are people that live and die
by the chart um, And that's fine. If that's your
metric and that's what you base your success on, that's fine.
That's that's how you want to do it, and it's great.
I think for us we have to base our own
success off of multiple metrics. Um. One of them is

(01:21:08):
how well we're doing on radio, But most importantly, like
t J touched on earlier, is how one how many
butts are you put in seats into how much fun
are they having? And how much are they have? Much
fun are they having during that song? Can you feel
the energy? And we have to go off of that metric.
You know, we've We're very grateful for how we've done

(01:21:30):
on country radio, considering that we do sound different, um,
and it has helped us immensely. But if we only
hung our hat on just the chart, we would lose
our minds, which is honestly why I don't even look
at it. I mean I don't because what the hell
can I do? I mean right, I'm not gonna call
a radio promoter or some guy up and be like, hey,
can you give me like five spins? That's what our

(01:21:50):
promo teams for. It's just gonna drive me crazy. But
every time they do play a song, it is a
little advertisement for our band. And there's also this really
strange disconnect with radio. And as John said them to me,
I think the ultimate just stat is just tickets. You
saw tickets? Yeah, I haven't learned the TikTok dance yet
to your new song, So if you guys want to,
it's not happening now, you know. I guess that's why

(01:22:13):
I haven't learned it. We should know TikTok dance. You
just stand still like everyone can do this? Yeah? What? Um,
So the tour we're not We're not for everyone. Yes,
we're not for everybody everyone. So did you name because
it's always your name the song and the record, after
the song, after the tour, and what order did that happen?

(01:22:35):
And did you name the tour this because you really
felt that or because it was a good song, or
well a couple of different reasons. I mean, you know,
you we know, I don't know. We titled the record
of Skeletons because honestly, it's the song. The song Skeletons
on that record defined I think the record. It's kind
of the center piece. Was one of the keystones? Was
it the first one? One of the first ones? And um,

(01:22:58):
and then we recorded I'm Not for Everyone? Was one
of the last songs, if not the last song that
we recorded. We thought we got one more day, let's
just do this song. And I'm like We're thinking, man,
I'll sing a verse that might be kind of cool.
It'll just be different. It'll never be a single, but
the fans will like it. And then um, we put
the record out and then people started freaking out about
this song in particular. And I think it has a

(01:23:18):
lot to do with the message. I mean, you look
at the times that we're in now and everyone is
claiming you know who they are, and this is what
I do. And also like coming to terms with the
fact that you just can't please everybody, especially in two
thousand one. So we felt the traction of the song,
so we decided, you know, we gotta put it out.
And then us, um, it is a bit of our Montrail.

(01:23:38):
We are accepting that we just are not for everybody.
You look at our songs, getting the twenty at best
for the most part, and then um, getting to Kneel
and Travis, who are both a very unique, very awesome
Left of cener artists. It's just kind of work. The
whole message seemed to come together at one time. I
wish I could say that we were smart enough to
see in the future like that, but we're not. And

(01:24:00):
just but we saw how the thing was shaping up
when we took advantage of it. And I think that
it is one of those things that you that John
and I wrote it from the perspective of of of
this is how we feel and to our surprise, So
I think nearly everyone feels that way. Yeah, you know.
Whenever I wrote so, I was some very personal things
in my first book, and I thought, I'm gonna share

(01:24:22):
some stuff that's extremely vulnerable, and a lot of it
had to do with either the drug addiction my mom
had before she died or a lot of the really
bad decisions that she made that influenced me, and that
I loved her, but it was a very tough relationship.
I mean, hex she got pretty much fifteen right, and
my dad leafed, so she had to But I was

(01:24:43):
going there was a lot of stuff, and even when
she reached her breaking point, she did some things that
I know she wouldn't be proud of, but because drugs
had a taking control of her. And so I wrote
and then that I was trying to tell the story
of someone who had been through that, not through her
side of it, through mine. And I've never had a
drink of alcohol and never touched the drug because I've
been so scared of it. I wish I could. I mean,

(01:25:04):
and that to me, the one thing I want to
do is relax and so um. But I wrote these
stories and I thought, man, other people are gonna feel
sorry for me. You're gonna tell me to shut up,
but they're not going to understand. And I put it out.
And what I learned is, and I say this because
you just expressed the same thing to me. What I
learned was I never felt so welcomed or like I

(01:25:27):
was included until I felt like I was so not included.
I thought, this is my story. No one's gonna understand,
nobody's gonna relate, nobody's gonna feel like me. Um. But
it turns out just because people aren't screaming about it
doesn't mean they're not feeling it. Yeah, exactly. And that
you know, when you say we're not for everyone, we do.
That's how I felt about me. But I would be

(01:25:48):
doing a mean greet somewhere, you know, we'd be I'd
be doing something come up. It's like you know the
story about you know that that touched me and I
felt that severely when I came out. It was, you know,
I thought I didn't know how it would be received.
I know some people would be supportive and some people
would probably hate. But I think the thing that was
really um one of the most um like recharging things

(01:26:09):
of it or whatever or inspiring things to me were
the parents and stuff being like, hey, my kid, parents
have other other kids. Yeah, are being like this is great.
You know I've always I was getting a lot of
that kind of stuff of just people who themselves weren't gay,
but we're really close to someone who was, and this
felt like just like a relief for them, and UM

(01:26:30):
and that yeah, so I know what you mean. It
was I didn't expect that, and it was one of
the coolest experiences I've ever felt. Did you feel more love?
And you just said this, but I just want to
hear this from you again because I did. Did you
feel more love than you expected? I did? And you know,
I'm and I've talked about this um before, but is uh.
I absolutely felt more loved than I expected. And I

(01:26:50):
even feeling the love from people that I knew loved me. Um,
it was. It just was so different. It was so overwhelming,
and it's the thing I wish everyone got to experience,
because everyone has loved more than they realized they are.
And the kind of sad part is there's a lot
of people don't talk about how much they love someone
until they've died or something really tragic. Um. And you know,
it was a difference of just like someone you know,

(01:27:13):
it's like I compared to someone just leaves like all right,
all right, love you man, see you later, as opposed
to like someone grabbing you by their shoulders and being
like I love you. Like it just was like, wow,
it's the same word, but it just hit in such
a different way, UM that I just thought in that moment, Wow,
like just for this alone to feel this is um
it sais something I wish everyone could feel at some

(01:27:35):
point in time. Why at that point in time, like
do you have a conversation like let's just do it
now where you finally like I just feel like telling people, well, yeah,
I mean I always wanted to come out and this
was a huge um hurdle for me because I was
always really really afraid that I would look opportunistic, and
so I never wanted it to never wanted to be

(01:27:56):
anything that would just not here here, here, we need
some publicity or whatever. Um. And so in order to
do that. I always felt like I need to do
this at the height of my career, and then through
the pandemic, I'm like, yeah, you know, I just really
one was kind of the things that were important to
me were very simple things, things that I've had my
virtually my whole life was doing the same sitting around

(01:28:16):
fire or having in some drinks, just you know, chewing
the fat with people. That was I mean, the things
that I was still having the same that were fun
for me, and I'm like, I can do this, you know.
When I when I was broke, I was having doing
these same exact things, you know. So I just felt
like at that point, like and then also, who who
knows when you're at the height of your career, And
so then the other fear was what if I have

(01:28:37):
to You never know that you have passed the height
of your career until you're on the way down. And
then if I came out, then it's still it just
seems like I'd be jump on the shark to people.
And so I just felt kind of stuck in this
weird thing of like I'm unsure the perfect time. And
then finally, just one day I just thought like I
gotta do this, like, and I gotta do it now,
and I don't want to go back to work to
where I just did have distractions again, like I need

(01:28:59):
to do this now where I can focus on it.
And and the other thing too was I want to
be able to build Mike. Why would I not want
to get to the height of my career being just
completely open about who I am and what I am
And John and I are really proude ourselves for just
being who we are. I mean, hell, alert's where song
I'm not for everyone. It's kind of like their mission statement,
so to speak. And so at that point, I was like,

(01:29:21):
it needs I don't know that there ever is a
perfect time, and there really isn't in your brain until
you do it and then you realize that that was
the perfect time. Just appreciate you, guys, and sound likewise,
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