July 22, 2025 • 44 mins
We’re diving into one of the season’s hottest beach reads, Sunny Side Up, with its author, influencer and Megababe founder Katie Sturino. But here’s the catch: the big, sweeping love story isn’t with some hunky male model. It’s between the heroine and her own body. This week, our host Danielle Robay and Katie are getting into aaaall the delicious, complicated, freeing mess. Join them!
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Danielle Robay (00:00):
Bookmarked by Reese's book Club is presented by Apple Books. Hi,
I'm Danielle Robe and welcome to Bookmarked by Reese's book Club.
Today we're diving into one of the summer's hottest beach
reads with Katie Sturino .
But here's the catch.
The big sweeping love story isn't with some dream guy.
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It's the protagonist relationship with herself and her body. Now,
before we go any further, I just want to let
you know that we're talking about bodies today and at
one point in my own life, talking about bodies at
all would have been hard for me. So if you
feel that way, just give yourself some grace and listen
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with care. Sunny Side Up is a story about choosing yourself,
and Katie Sereno has done just that. After going through
a relatively high profile divorce in her mid thirties, she
started her own personal hygiene and skincare company, Megababe. She
wrote a book, launched a podcast, started publishing a substack newsletter.
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Oh, and then she built a community on.
Instagram of over eight hundred thousand followers, where she lives
out loud and unapologetically as a body neutrality advocate.
She talks about the stuff that.
So few people have the guts to talk about, thigh chafing,
boob sweat that confidence. Katie believes it's a skill, and
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that means you can learn it, and I can learn it,
and we can practice.
It and grow it like a muscle.
And now Katie's branching into romance with her new novel,
Sunny Side Up.
So here's the gist.
At thirty five, Sonny is divorced, single and wrestling with
a lifetime of dealing with fat phobia, but a looming
wedding invite gives her the push that she needs to
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start investing in herself. Sonny is a classic romance gurly okay,
think Bridget Jones, Carrie Bradshaw, Lovable, messy and so so relatable.
And she's a great reder that it's never too late
to go after what you want. A reminder that I
definitely needed. Maybe you do too. So today you're in
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the right place we all are. Let's turn the page
with Katie Storino. Hi, Katie, welcome to the club.
Katie Sturino (02:18):
Oh hello, Well.
Danielle Robay (02:21):
I think you are the most likable person of all time.
Some of it is your Midwestern accent as a Chicago girlie,
I love to hear it. What's the most Midwest thing
about you?
Katie Sturino (02:32):
Oh my god? It's well, first of all, you have
to know that I don't think that I have one.
I think after twenty plus years in New York, I'm like,
I'm like, no, you guys, I don't sound like that anymore,
but I do, because it's like literally doesn't leave you.
Danielle Robay (02:47):
You do.
Katie Sturino (02:48):
Yeah, thank you. And I would say the most Midwest
thing about me is like I'm fine to just chat
or say hi to like my neighbor, you know, like
I like, I'm not on the street in New York,
but like I'll be like I'll have a conversation in
my hallway, which is like not very New York.
Danielle Robay (03:08):
It's funny you say that because I was home in
Chicago this weekend and my mom and I took a
walk and she said hello to absolutely everybody, and I
looked at her and I was like, I don't know
one of my neighbors in Los Angeles and you know
everybody here.
Katie Sturino (03:23):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what
that's about. But like you Chicago people, you think you're
different because you're from Chicago, And I know this, Yes,
you do. You look at Wisconsin because that's where I'm from,
and You're like, well, they're like really from the Midwest,
And I'm like, no, we're all in the same boat here, Okay,
like long a, So.
Danielle Robay (03:44):
I spent lots. I spent probably over half my life
in the state of Wisconsin. So I feel like I
am you and you are me.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, that's yeah.
Danielle Robay (03:53):
But to Madison, went to Overnight Camp and Eagle River
and Monocoa.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Okay, but I digress because this is about you.
Katie Sturino (04:01):
Okay, that's exciting to hear.
Danielle Robay (04:04):
Well, you said your superpower is talking about the messy
parts of life, and I've never seen somebody so comfortable
talking about the mess outside of Brene Brown. Was there
a moment that you stopped caring what people thought, or
did you just come out of the womb, like let's
talk about all the stuff that no one else wants to.
Katie Sturino (04:24):
I think it's a little bit of both. I remember, like,
I remember this guy who I am not close with
and I don't think ever talk to again. But like
he said to my friend at Madison, he was like, God,
she just doesn't give a shit like me. And I
was like the tracks, Yeah, that's true. But then I
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went on to give I went on to give a
lot of shits for a long time. When I moved
to New York and I started my career in fashion,
and you know, I got married, and I think I
learned to follow rules that I didn't necessarily even believe in,
but I did it because I wanted to wanted the things,
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so I followed those rules. But then I realized those
rules were fake, so I stopped following them. I started
talking about the messy stuff again.
Danielle Robay (05:13):
Your book is a lot about the unraveling of all
those rules. Actually, did you have a moment where you
discovered how powerful talking about the mess can be?
Katie Sturino (05:26):
Yes, yes, there was. It was when I started I
started my account the twelveish style, and I had been
so ashamed to admit or to seem big and to
be big because I was always trying to be small.
And when I realized there were so many women out
there that felt the same as me, who weren't necessarily
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even my size, who were smaller than me, who just
felt like, God, it's so hard out there to just
only have one body type represented. I realized in that
moment that there was so much power in showing what
I really looked like, not posed or angled or sucking in,
but like really showing my body was helpful to people,
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and that's when I started to realize what I could
potentially do.
Danielle Robay (06:11):
Was it always helpful to you or was it ever
harmful to you to show your body online?
Katie Sturino (06:16):
I think the only harmful thing is when in the
beginning I used to get more upset when people would
comment on my body negatively. Yeah, but now I've got
a pretty thick skin around that. I'm pretty I'm sensitive
about a lot of other stuff, but for some reason
I'm okay with that.
Danielle Robay (06:33):
Well, part of the mess I think that I was
alluding to is your brand Megababe, which exploded. And I
have to tell you, Katie, some of the products even
make me squeamish to talk about. And to be fair,
I'm a little bit of a prude about like bathroom conversation.
But you are on CBS this morning talking about hemorrhoids
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and boob sweat. I have to know if you ever
feel resistance or even get embarrassed talking about things, or
do you get it, like, do you get a kick
out of seeing people like me squeam.
Katie Sturino (07:06):
I don't get a kick out of getting people squeamish
around me. I don't because I know that there's that
type of person too, But really I have I have
like such a I just have like a real straightforward
attitude about it because I'm like, this is happening, like
like I'm and I think that that's another thing. There's
power in just being like, Okay, what are we working
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with like a sweaty butt crack like talk to me,
Like there's power in just acknowledging what's going on, like
almost like a doctor, although I am not one that
you just you just talk about it and people start
to open up.
Danielle Robay (07:44):
But you're right, it is sort of like a doctor,
like you just you just say what the facts are,
you know, like you're not calling our private parts fake names?
Katie Sturino (07:54):
Correct? Yeah. But the fact that, like for the first
few years, it was hard for us to get our
retailers to talk about our boob sweat powder because they
didn't want to say the word boob like really yes,
So it was like we couldn't like do marketing.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So what shifted? How did you get them on board?
Katie Sturino (08:14):
The conversation shifted? And as I said, I have said
this before, but if I were a man I would
be taking more credit for this, So I'm going to
start taking credit for starting this conversation in the retail space.
I think when we started everything, this is eight years ago,
everything was black and white on the shelves. It was like,
we don't talk about that, like hush hush, And I
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think Megababe created a space to talk about things. And
now you have all these fabulous brands like Starface does,
like the pimple patches, you have Honeypot with, like the
vaginal health. There's so many amazing brands who are taking
the shame out of normal body issues. But I would
say Megababe was the first to do that.
Danielle Robay (09:03):
So we sort of jumped into this conversation talking about
the woman that you are today. But a lot of
your book, even though I know some of it is fictional,
is a story.
Katie Sturino (09:14):
Most of it is fictional. I just have to say
that out loud.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Katie, are you sure?
Katie Sturino (09:18):
I am? It's a work of fiction, says it right
in the beginning of the book.
Danielle Robay (09:22):
I know. I just feels very convenient because there are
a lot of overlaps between your real life. But I
believe you you're a Midwestern truth teller, so a lot
of it is fictional, but I know that you had
to do a lot of unlearning and, as you put it,
breaking the rules to become this version of Katie. So
(09:43):
I do want to start from the beginning. I opened
your book and fell in love with your dedication. Will
you read it for us?
Katie Sturino (09:52):
I would love to. I think the dedication is often
like a throwaway, but I feel like this was this
I had a lot to to say.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yes, I could tell.
Katie Sturino (10:03):
Okay it is. Look how ready I am to read
it to you. This book is for any woman who
has ever felt discarded, who's looked in the mirror and
struggled to love what she sees, or who's wondered if
her best days are behind her. I promise you that
life can be anything you want it to be. You
just have to believe. And for first wives.
Danielle Robay (10:27):
Everywhere, Okay, we need to unpack line by line. Okay, yeah,
so the line who's wondered if her best days are
behind her? I can't be the only one because you
wrote this for women, because you felt it. But I
have sort of been feeling this for the first time
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in my life. I look at photos from when I
was twenty nine or thirty and I think, hmm, maybe
I'm in a new stage, Like maybe that version of
me that I felt was beautiful, Like now, yes, now
maybe it's more about my insights and I'm trying to wrestle.
Katie Sturino (11:08):
Well, I'm so sorry I have to laugh in your
face because you're so beautiful. You're like, it's about my personality.
Now this face is over.
Danielle Robay (11:18):
Okay, that's kind of how I've been feeling, and I
know that I'm not the only one. Can you tell
me what you were feeling and thinking when you wrote
that line?
Katie Sturino (11:31):
Yes, I think I had to channel how I felt
at age thirty four. So can I ask how old
you are?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I'm thirty four.
Katie Sturino (11:43):
There we go. Okay, so you're thirty four, you've been
married for a year, You've been with someone. This is
my personal life. This is not sunny. You've been with
someone for ten years and you don't feel like you're
starting over at thirty four. Thirty four is not at
the time you start over. Thirty four is the time
you've put the foundation in and you start to build.
(12:05):
This is like when you start to have kids, you
buy the first house, you do, like that's when your
quote unquote life starts and that is when my life
as I saw it shattered. So I felt so unmoored
and truly just the way that you're telling me. And
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I'm laughing at you because like you're so beautiful and
you're like, I guess I'm old now, Like that's how
I felt too. I said, who's gonna love me? Like
who will ever love me? And add on to the
fact that my body changed so much during the divorce process.
I gained over seventy pounds. So it was like this
and I had not done the work to self to
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have self acceptance. I was just like, what am I
going to do? And I think that I wanted to
put this character out there with all her flaw and
her vulnerability because I think that it's something that's missing
in that pop culture conversation.
Danielle Robay (13:06):
When you say missing, can you expand because I've heard
you say that you really wrote this book because it's
the book you needed when you were going through this
time period.
Katie Sturino (13:15):
I don't know, so I will always shout her out.
Michelle Buteaux has a show called Survival of the Thickest.
I made a cameo in season one thank you, and
I would say that that's like a very positive show
about a curvy girl, and she's like living life and
like loving and doing the whole thing. Other than that,
I have a really hard time finding example of a
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woman who is not striving to be her fittest, thinnest,
smallest and succeeding in life. Like I don't have that example.
So I wanted to put that example out there because
I felt like that's how I felt. I felt like,
what am I going to do If I can't lose
this weight, I'll never find someone. And I think that
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that was a story that I was being told by society,
and I wanted to rewrite it.
Danielle Robay (14:05):
There's also that last line of your dedication that says
uh and for the First Wives everywhere. I don't know
if I'm reading into it, but First Wives Club is
my favorite film of all times. Yeah, are you a Diane,
a bet a Goldie, A Stockard Channing, a Dave Maggie Smith?
Katie Sturino (14:26):
I honestly am like em. I'm probably more emotionally Stockard
Channing because I love her in the firground, like pre
jumping off the roof, but like I love that she's
like so drama. But I'm probably Bette Midler, you know,
I'm silly and I want to be Goldie Hawn. I'm sure,
but I'm not, you know what I mean? And I'm
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not I'm not dying. Not in that movie and for
first Wives everywhere, Yeah, there's like a bit of a
petty feeling around it because like, yes, you move on
and you get closure and you make a new life,
but there's always that little feeling that you have, like
like fuck you, you threw me away? Right? Definitely. Yeah.
Danielle Robay (15:11):
My mom has a ton of like phrases and quotes
and taglines. Always we joke and one of my favorites
is that she says, you want to be the firstborn,
the second wife, and the third real estate agent. So
that's fine, it's a good one, yes, But speaking of
(15:34):
the first Wives aspect, like there's this element I love
a female friendship. In the book that's at play, Sonny
is in a first wives club with friends who have
also gone through divorce, and her friends are her biggest cheerleaders,
her first investors when she decides to start her own company.
Did you have this? Was this based on reality? Did
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you need people who really understood your experience? Or were
your friends able to show up for you even if
they hadn't experienced it.
Katie Sturino (16:02):
My friends, my like my oldest friends, they all certainly
showed up for me. But there's something unique about having
someone who's going through that process who can really understand.
I think when you go through big life experiences, having
someone who's going through it with you is really important.
And I had one person. I didn't have this like,
you know, fabulous group of girls, but I had one
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person and we were able to like kind of cope together.
But my friends came in and they were my rocks.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's so good to hear.
Katie Sturino (16:33):
Yeah, And I think it's important to call that out too,
because I think the way that we like attacked female
friendships after White Lotus came out and it was like
female friendships were toxic, and I was like, get a life,
Like what like women are everything to women, you.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Know, one hundred percent.
Danielle Robay (16:53):
Also personally, my college group of girlfriends is really this
trio and White Lotus was they were down on trios.
They were like trios are toxic, there's always somebody left out,
and I was like, not in my life. Yeah, yeah,
that's not a good representation. So I love the positivity
in your book.
Katie Sturino (17:11):
Yeah.
Danielle Robay (17:12):
Now I was looking at the timeline of your career
and your divorce and all of these huge things happened
in your life after your divorce. You started megababe, you
wrote now two books, you got your sub stack, you
built this huge following on social media, you got remarried,
and all after this period in a woman's life when
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we're told we're kind of supposed to hang it up, yep.
Were you ever scared those things wouldn't happen for you?
How did you keep the faith?
Katie Sturino (17:43):
Yes? I think that I took my pain and I
turned it into productivity. I couldn't really like do anything,
so I just started working. Like I started my own
PR company in my twenties, and then I was a
doggedger managing my dog. So I've always been I've always
been an entrepreneur and a creative person. But I think
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given like the space my brain suddenly had, I just
decided to go into like overdrive. And it's almost like
the way like people can like pick up a car
off a kid, you know what I'm saying, Like that
like super stress, That's kind of what happened to me.
I just I had so much extra energy and feeling
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that I had to do something with it. Like I
was working all the time. Like I don't work like
that anymore, but I was working all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
How do you feel about that in hindsight?
Katie Sturino (18:38):
Uh, it was awesome. I love it. I'm saying it
was awesome because I don't have the energy now to
do what I was doing, right, you know what I mean.
Danielle Robay (18:49):
It's the super Yeah, that's the superstr Yeah.
Katie Sturino (18:53):
Like by six, I'm like, we got to hang it up.
Danielle Robay (18:56):
Also, when you I think when you live with someone
that you actually like, you don't really want to work
at night as much, you know, as if if you're
alone or trying to avoid somebody.
Katie Sturino (19:06):
Yes, that's completely true. It's like when he came into
my life, he was like, you're doing so much, like
you need to like set some boundaries at home. And
I was like, uh what so, Like I think that's
when I started to scale back the like midnight emails.
Danielle Robay (19:20):
And well, it's been nearly a decade since you're divorce, right, Yes,
so a lot has changed.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
In your life. I'm curious why you wanted to write
this book now.
Katie Sturino (19:32):
It took until now for them to let me write
the book. I've been wanting to write this book, and
you know, it's it's come out in the right time
for me. And I'll tell you a few reasons why. One,
I've always wanted to write this book because I, as
I said, I needed a book like this, and it
didn't exist, and I haven't seen it written since in
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the like you said, in like the ten years since
this happened, this book has not come out, like I'm
not like, oh damn, someone beat me to it. It's
hasn't come out. And then the second thing is that
I think I needed to be in a different headspace
to write this book. If I wrote this book a
year after my divorce, it would be a different book.
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It would be darker, and I wouldn't have been able
to bring all the things that I've learned into the
book into Sonny, like I wouldn't have had to have her.
I wouldn't have been able to have her evolve the
way that she did if I were like fresh in it.
Danielle Robay (20:31):
Yeah, which is interesting to me because it's like, you
are in your personal life so good at talking about
the mess while you're in it, but with this book,
you wanted to do it differently.
Katie Sturino (20:45):
It seems I wasn't allowed to do it differently. But
I'm happy it turned out this way, meaning like they
were like, fiction is really hard, but that's why I
wrote Body Talk, because they were like, I think you
could just get like into the books space and like
see how you like it, see how it goes. Like
these are really helpful lessons you're teaching on your internet.
(21:06):
Just put them into a book. And I'm so glad
that I did, because, especially on this book tour for
Sunny Side Up, I am getting people bringing their copies
of Body Talk, which is it's a work book so
that you can start your journey of self acceptance. But
it's not like overly intimidating and not it's not too
like preachy. It's quite fun and people are like my
(21:28):
therapists made May read this, My dietician made May read this,
like I made my mom read this. Like people really
attached to body Talk, and so I feel so lucky
to have been able to do it in that way.
What do they say, trust the process. I guess that.
I mean that's what I needed to do.
Danielle Robay (21:43):
Speaking of Body Talk, self image is a big thing
in Sunny Side Up, and it's obviously a big theme
in your life. Your character Sonny has moments in the
book where you share that she grew up thinking that
women were supposed to be quietly beautiful. That term was
something that I hadn't heard of. How is beauty discussed
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in your house? And what does quietly beautiful mean?
Katie Sturino (22:07):
I don't think that beauty was discussed in my house
growing up. I would say that quietly beautiful means like
effortless and they just kind of show up without a
hair out of place. And that has never been me.
It's not sunny, it's not most people I know. But
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somehow we got that image that that's how you are
supposed to to be, like don't look like you tried
too hard, and but like don't look like a mess.
And m you saw the Barbie.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Movie absolutely well said, right, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
it's that. It's the monologue, the contradictory monologue.
Katie Sturino (22:53):
Yes, yeah, you know.
Danielle Robay (22:55):
It's not lost on me that Sonny's dream bathing suit
is described as green Lorix shimmery. That's not even quiet
a little bit. What inspired that specific choice?
Katie Sturino (23:08):
Just my brain? I think that I I saw a
woman in a green Lorix swimsuit like maybe six or
seven years ago in Italy on the beach and I
loved it, and I could never find something like that again.
So I was like, ooh, let's let's have Sonny have
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this swimsuit, and ooh, let's make it too well.
Danielle Robay (23:32):
Okay, so the making it part, so I don't I
don't want to curse.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Why are you laughing?
Katie Sturino (23:39):
I'm laughing because I because I realized it's so it's
like not a normal fit. It's not like what like
most people are not writing a book being like, okay,
like I wrote a book about this, like Beekeeper and
you can buy the honey. So I'm I'm I. I
know that this is a strange thing to be doing.
But I when I was writing the descriptions of the suits,
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I was like, I just want these suits. So I
was like, why can't we just make the suits? So
then I did. I found a design partner called Kiddy
and Vibe, and we made the suits.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But do you know how brilliant that is?
Katie Sturino (24:16):
No? Can I tell you something else? Not that many
people think it's brilliant?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Why did they know? I'm sure that I don't even
care if they sold well or not.
Katie Sturino (24:24):
It is so we we sold the f out of them.
They sold great. It's just I think what's confusing for
people is is they they're like, we know what a
swim collaboration is and we know what a book is,
but we can't do this, we can't put them together.
And that has been a really interesting thing because I'm like,
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and I made the suits from the book, and people
are kind of like, okay, so the book, Like they
can't they can't do both. And I think that's what's
been really interesting about this process is it's.
Danielle Robay (24:58):
It's I was so impressed and so inspired, honestly because one,
I love a woman who does something that everyone else
says you can't do, but also watch you be the blueprint.
This is going to happen so much more often. I
think you changed the book industry.
Katie Sturino (25:16):
I think I listen, I'm not being like I am like,
you know, the first person here who's ever done anything.
All I'm saying is that, like, I do actually think
that this is really smart, and I will give credit
where credit is due. Olive and June did a nail
polished collaboration with Colleen Hoover two summers ago or last summer,
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and I saw that and I said, that is smart
as hell, and like that, do you know what I mean,
so I will say that that was the first one
I saw, this is the second one I'm seeing, and
I agree that this is the future of books, and
if book publishers are smart, they will get in on
the collab.
Danielle Robay (26:10):
I want to talk to you about something that is
definitely buzzy and very personal and also I think kind
of loaded GLP ones. You've shared that you are on one,
and I really appreciate your openness. I want to ask
you about your decision, but I'll admit that this conversation
is pretty hard to navigate, even as somebody who talks
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for a living, because I think that the value that
we place on thinness is.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Not just about health.
Danielle Robay (26:38):
It's political, it's economic, it's cultural. Oftentimes I think it
could equal privilege. And what I think about is that
it gets it helps get you hired and heard and
sometimes loved. And also the truth of it is that
there's no truth to that, like you can have all
of those big beautiful things in a bigger body, and
(27:00):
there's also no shame in wanting to be thinner or
not wanting it. So I'm just as somebody who is
so in tune with this conversation in her body. I
want to hear your perspective on that decision.
Katie Sturino (27:13):
Yeah. I I have always been an advocate for health
at any size. Take care of yourself. Go to the doctor.
Find a doctor who listens to you. Don't find a
doctor who just tells you to like go on a
diet or tries to prescribe you a GLP one because you,
you know, have like an eye twitch. So that's one
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thing I want to say personally. As I've gotten older,
my A one C started to go up. And this
is so nuanced, so I'm just I'm just prefacing that
because I have gotten so many messages positive and negative
on this topic, and I understand why. But as my
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A one C started to go up, my chole also
was going up. And I was like, you know what, Katie,
I think you got to make some changes. So I
engaged a food coach. And I think there's also like
there's a lot of disordered eating conversations that need to
happen in the background of the GLP one conversation. Also
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that I don't even know that I have words for yet.
I wore like a monitor, like a glucose monitor to
see like what foods work with my blood, and I
altered my movement and tried all these different ways to
change my blood work, and after over a year of that,
my blood work had not improved. Not only did it
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not improve, it went up and I was just right
on the border of diabetes. And I was like, yeah,
you know what, I have a family history of diabetes.
I don't want diabetes. I'm going to try this drug
that is made to help people. Now, I will say this,
my insurance does not cover a payout of pocket. That's
a privilege. This medication should be covered by all insurances
(29:02):
for people who need it. That's another thing. Yes, it should,
and it's it's bs that it's not. So that was
my That was my decision was to try this and
see if it worked. And I have a lot of
positive feelings towards this drug because I think it back
to that eating disorder space. I don't think I ever
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realized that my brain wasn't operating an Oprah has said this,
my brain doesn't operate the way that other people's brains work.
So she's talked about how you know your friend Kelly
can have like quote unquote willpower and has a piece
of the pie and is like, wow, that was great. Pie,
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but there's something in my brain for my whole life
that I had. I'm like, Wow, that pie was good,
and not only I'm going to have a piece of
the pie. I'm going to have like most of the pie.
And I'm not even going to feel full or sick.
So it's just this like endless feeling that I've always
had that I have never understood. And one of the
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things that the GLP one has done for me is
kind of shown me maybe what it's like to have
a brain like everyone else is having. I think the confused.
So I haven't talked about that before. That's like, that's
something that's new to say out loud. And I think
something that is hard is that people look at you
and they're like, you made your you made your living
(30:32):
off the back of like talking about your plus size,
and now you want to lose weight, and it's just
not true. I thought I was a size twenty, Like
sometimes at twenty two, I thought I looked awesome, Like
I certainly wasn't shining away from posting photos in my swimsuit.
I don't look at those photos now and say, ew,
you're gross. I'm like, God, like I really loved my
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curves and the way everything was balanced out, and like
I love the way that like my cheeks had like
more lift in them because like I had like more
fat in my face. And like there's all these there's
all these things and these misconceptions and it's so and
I understand why, because a lot of people feel abandoned.
I mean, ever since Adele emerged from the pandemic, like
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in a different body, we've had this feeling of abandonment
of it's like, oh, I'm only big girl left and
it's simply not true. And by the way, I started
my journey at a size twelve fourteen, Like I'm not
ever gonna be like I I'm a size eighteen right now.
I'm not trying to get to a twelve to fourteen.
(31:38):
I'm just saying, like I've always been big, Like this
is just my body, and I think it's just been
And I know I sound defensive, but it's it's kind
of how I feel I have to be at this moment.
I have to over explain things because people are so
quick to just be like you are a sellout and
it has nothing to do with that and it's not.
And it's like the clothes I post are size inclusive,
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like the like the people I feature like I It's
everything is my messaging is all the same, and I
find it so hard and hurtful. And then I will
add another layer, which is that people who medically need
this drug and are wanting to try it are ashamed
because they have people in their lives who are saying
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that's a cop out, or like they're scared because of
all the stigma. And I'm gonna say one more thing,
which is that when you start to lose weight on
this drug, which is what it will do to you,
you get a barrage of comments you don't want and
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everyone should. You know, everyone probably looks at you and
they're like, no, of course you want to hear Oh
you lost weight, Oh you're so skinny. Oh no, no,
I don't. I don't want to hear that. And I
know a lot of people who follow me are so
deeply uncomfortable with that part of it too, because it's
like it's you can't hide from it. It's visible and
(33:04):
uh and and it's uncomfortable to have strangers and people
you're close with and everyone just commenting on your body
the whole time. So it's it's such, it's very it's
a long answer, but it's very complicated.
Danielle Robay (33:19):
I appreciate you putting yourself out on the ledge because
you're at the forefront of the conversation and it's not
easy to navigate.
Katie Sturino (33:28):
No, And you know, I'm a Midwest girl and I'm
just trying to make everyone happy and it's hard. This
has been really, really hard for my mentors.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.
Danielle Robay (33:40):
Yeah, you know, it seems like you've gone through some
hard things in your life. So to hear and I
can see it in your face to hear you say
this is hard. I feel the weight of it.
Katie Sturino (33:52):
Yeah, but you know what we're doing. We're doing what
we always do. We're starting a conversation that isn't being had,
and we're like, I'm sorry, I'm crying now. We're starting
a conversation that isn't being had. We are de shaming
things that people are feeling a lot of shame about,
and we're going to figure out, Like we're going to
(34:12):
figure this out together. So like it's out there and
now we figure it out.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Can I ask you where the tears came from.
Katie Sturino (34:20):
Yes, I think it's the acknowledgment that this is hard,
because I don't it's it's the acknowledgment that this is hard.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's really hard.
Katie Sturino (34:36):
Yeah, because I don't think that I'm someone who deserves
to feel like they can have a hard time because
I'm so privileged and lucky, and like, I don't want
to put that out there for people.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, the conversation is not easy around it.
Danielle Robay (34:51):
Yeah, I want to bring this back to joy a
little bit, because you are so joyful.
Katie Sturino (34:57):
I'm available, You're available for joy.
Danielle Robay (35:02):
I've heard you talk about how when you moved to
New York you tried writing a little bit and I
love your giggle, but you tried writing a little bit
and it just like it felt frustrating. And I heard
you talk about how like the traditional journalism felt intimidating.
But here you are writing your second book. Was what
(35:27):
was the joy in that? What was the most fun
you had writing this book?
Katie Sturino (35:31):
Oh? The most fun I've had writing this book is
having people read it and having them experience it. Because
writing the book is much less fun than I thought
it would be. And I think that that's just the
thing about writing is it's just not it's not always
very fun. I think it's a glamorized job. It's hard,
it is. It's so hard, and the editing process is hell.
(35:55):
And I just think that it's something that we have
romanticized and I think it is very I feel so
proud of what I've put out, but it's it's not easy.
It's not an easy process.
Danielle Robay (36:08):
How do you tell yourself to keep doing it when
you hate when you hate the process of it?
Katie Sturino (36:12):
Oh my god? Because I'm like, we're here, we got
to get it out and look at me. I'm like
telling you how horrible it is. And I'm like, is
there a sequel? I don't know, yes, like I'd love one.
So like That's that's the thing about me sometimes, I think,
is even when it's hard, I'm like, let's do it again.
Danielle Robay (36:29):
I love asking writers of fiction novels who they would cast.
But I have a different question for you. Oh, because
I was reading your book, I'm thinking Katie has to
play this character. Oh, this becomes a TV series or film.
(36:52):
I think it should be a series. I think so two, like,
would you ever play the main character?
Katie Sturino (36:58):
Never? I'm not an actress, And I'll tell and I'll
tell you why I know that you are. No you Nope, nope,
I can't remember anything as one issue I have, so
I can't remember my lines? And two do you know
and if you've watched my if you've watched my cameo
on Survival of the Thickest, it's season one, I believe,
episode seven. I'm in a nightclub. I do a one
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line delivery. It took me weeks to get it right.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
That's because it was one line.
Katie Sturino (37:30):
I'm just saying, I don't when you when I have
to do something with rules my brain. Like it's like
why I wasn't great at school because like my brain
can't just get in there, like I can't. I'm like, oh, oh,
it's got to be done this certain way. Hold on.
And then I turned into a robot. So I will
not be playing sunny, but someone will, someone wonderful will be.
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So I'm willing it into existence.
Danielle Robay (37:56):
I am too. I want this as a series, Katie.
I love asking our guess what they've bookmarked this week.
It could be a weird fact, a fun quote, something
you saved on Instagram, something you texted your best friend.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
What have you bookmarked?
Katie Sturino (38:12):
I just learned of an adult reading summer camp in
Maine where you can go for a weekend and it's
like a bunch of books like crafts like canoeing, and
all you do is read and talk to people about reading.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And canoe and craft. This is amazing.
Katie Sturino (38:33):
But also if you don't want a canoe and craft,
they say specifically, you can just go read.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Okay, where do we sign up?
Katie Sturino (38:41):
I know it's in Maine and it's it's in a
place called Fork's, Maine. And god, it's called the what
is it called the Bad Bitches book Club? Is that
the name of the camp? Yeah, bad Bitch's book Club camp. Yeah,
that's what.
Danielle Robay (38:56):
It's called, The Bad Bitch's book Club. That's honestly, besides
Reese's book Club, that's the only club I want to
be a part of.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That's amazing, Katie.
Danielle Robay (39:04):
I'm shudder even asking you this last question because I
know you hate rules, but I have a game with
a whole bunch of rules that I want to play
with you. It's called speed Read. I'm putting sixty seconds
on the clock and I'm going to ask you a
series of rapid fire questions.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
You have to say the first thing that comes to
your mind.
Katie Sturino (39:24):
Okay, I'm closing my eyes. I'm ready.
Danielle Robay (39:27):
Okay, three, two, one, If you could swap closets with
any fictional character.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Who and why?
Katie Sturino (39:35):
Oh the woman from White Lotus Season two, Italy Tanya.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Why that's amazing because.
Katie Sturino (39:44):
She wears like what I would want to wear, just
like bejeweled calftans.
Danielle Robay (39:49):
You're stranded on a desert island and you get one
beauty product, one book, and one snack.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
What are you bringing.
Katie Sturino (39:56):
Mega bab Thy Rescue so that I can walk without?
All fours by Miranda July on audio because I could
listen to it all day long. I am bringing those
like air puff Cheetos.
Danielle Robay (40:12):
What's one literary trope you would ban forever?
Katie Sturino (40:16):
Honestly the wedding deadline in my own book.
Danielle Robay (40:21):
That's fundy one that you'll defend with your life.
Katie Sturino (40:25):
I still like a meet cute.
Danielle Robay (40:27):
I like meat cute too, Okay, your favorite book to
recommend to friends?
Katie Sturino (40:32):
All fours and sunny side up?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
And just for you, we have some Midwest specific ones.
Danielle Robay (40:41):
Tbr or cheese curds, Oh, cheese curds, ranch or ketchup
ranch is disgusting?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Whoa hot takes?
Katie Sturino (40:49):
Hot takes? Only?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Do you say soda or pop?
Katie Sturino (40:51):
I say soda.
Danielle Robay (40:52):
Okay, that's not very Midwest of you. Culver's or Portillo's.
Katie Sturino (40:56):
Oh Cops, which is in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Only what book shaped the way you see the world.
Katie Sturino (41:06):
I'm not going to say All Fours for the third time, but.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I'm not not going to say but I'm not not
going to say it.
Katie Sturino (41:14):
But because can I tell you something, The reason that
book really like cracked my brain open is that it
was like it was I mean, it's obviously like you know,
it's crazy and whatever, but like she talks about being
in your mid forties in a way that I haven't
seen before. Like she's like, I didn't know I had
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like limited reserves of estrogen, Like I need to go
have sex with people like she has. She has all
these like insights and ideas that I had never heard before.
And I was like, I love this.
Danielle Robay (41:47):
My best friend is the best reader I know. And
she called me one day and she was like, have
you read All Fours? I said, not yet, and she said,
I'm so turned on and I don't think I'm supposed
to be.
Katie Sturino (42:04):
It's Mariana july Is. She is like a comedic queen.
She's reading it and she's so funny without trying to
be funny, and while also trying to be funny. Like
it's all. It's It's wonderful, Katie.
Danielle Robay (42:16):
You are so real and so much fun and so
full of life. Thank you for bringing all of your
joy and your sunniness to Reese's book Club.
Katie Sturino (42:25):
Thank you. I've loved hanging out. We had teers, we
had everything.
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Bookmarked by Reese's book Club is presented by Apple Books. Hi,
I'm Danielle Robe and welcome to Bookmarked by Reese's book Club.
Today we're diving into one of the summer's hottest beach
reads with Katie Sturino .
But here's the catch.
The big sweeping love story isn't with some dream guy.
(00:23):
It's the protagonist relationship with herself and her body. Now,
before we go any further, I just want to let
you know that we're talking about bodies today and at
one point in my own life, talking about bodies at
all would have been hard for me. So if you
feel that way, just give yourself some grace and listen
(00:43):
with care. Sunny Side Up is a story about choosing yourself,
and Katie Sereno has done just that. After going through
a relatively high profile divorce in her mid thirties, she
started her own personal hygiene and skincare company, Megababe. She
wrote a book, launched a podcast, started publishing a substack newsletter.
(01:04):
Oh, and then she built a community on.
Instagram of over eight hundred thousand followers, where she lives
out loud and unapologetically as a body neutrality advocate.
She talks about the stuff that.
So few people have the guts to talk about, thigh chafing,
boob sweat that confidence. Katie believes it's a skill, and
(01:26):
that means you can learn it, and I can learn it,
and we can practice.
It and grow it like a muscle.
And now Katie's branching into romance with her new novel,
Sunny Side Up.
So here's the gist.
At thirty five, Sonny is divorced, single and wrestling with
a lifetime of dealing with fat phobia, but a looming
wedding invite gives her the push that she needs to
(01:48):
start investing in herself. Sonny is a classic romance gurly okay,
think Bridget Jones, Carrie Bradshaw, Lovable, messy and so so relatable.
And she's a great reder that it's never too late
to go after what you want. A reminder that I
definitely needed. Maybe you do too. So today you're in
(02:10):
the right place we all are. Let's turn the page
with Katie Storino. Hi, Katie, welcome to the club.
Katie Sturino (02:18):
Oh hello, Well.
Danielle Robay (02:21):
I think you are the most likable person of all time.
Some of it is your Midwestern accent as a Chicago girlie,
I love to hear it. What's the most Midwest thing
about you?
Katie Sturino (02:32):
Oh my god? It's well, first of all, you have
to know that I don't think that I have one.
I think after twenty plus years in New York, I'm like,
I'm like, no, you guys, I don't sound like that anymore,
but I do, because it's like literally doesn't leave you.
Danielle Robay (02:47):
You do.
Katie Sturino (02:48):
Yeah, thank you. And I would say the most Midwest
thing about me is like I'm fine to just chat
or say hi to like my neighbor, you know, like
I like, I'm not on the street in New York,
but like I'll be like I'll have a conversation in
my hallway, which is like not very New York.
Danielle Robay (03:08):
It's funny you say that because I was home in
Chicago this weekend and my mom and I took a
walk and she said hello to absolutely everybody, and I
looked at her and I was like, I don't know
one of my neighbors in Los Angeles and you know
everybody here.
Katie Sturino (03:23):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what
that's about. But like you Chicago people, you think you're
different because you're from Chicago, And I know this, Yes,
you do. You look at Wisconsin because that's where I'm from,
and You're like, well, they're like really from the Midwest,
And I'm like, no, we're all in the same boat here, Okay,
like long a, So.
Danielle Robay (03:44):
I spent lots. I spent probably over half my life
in the state of Wisconsin. So I feel like I
am you and you are me.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, that's yeah.
Danielle Robay (03:53):
But to Madison, went to Overnight Camp and Eagle River
and Monocoa.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Okay, but I digress because this is about you.
Katie Sturino (04:01):
Okay, that's exciting to hear.
Danielle Robay (04:04):
Well, you said your superpower is talking about the messy
parts of life, and I've never seen somebody so comfortable
talking about the mess outside of Brene Brown. Was there
a moment that you stopped caring what people thought, or
did you just come out of the womb, like let's
talk about all the stuff that no one else wants to.
Katie Sturino (04:24):
I think it's a little bit of both. I remember, like,
I remember this guy who I am not close with
and I don't think ever talk to again. But like
he said to my friend at Madison, he was like, God,
she just doesn't give a shit like me. And I
was like the tracks, Yeah, that's true. But then I
(04:44):
went on to give I went on to give a
lot of shits for a long time. When I moved
to New York and I started my career in fashion,
and you know, I got married, and I think I
learned to follow rules that I didn't necessarily even believe in,
but I did it because I wanted to wanted the things,
(05:04):
so I followed those rules. But then I realized those
rules were fake, so I stopped following them. I started
talking about the messy stuff again.
Danielle Robay (05:13):
Your book is a lot about the unraveling of all
those rules. Actually, did you have a moment where you
discovered how powerful talking about the mess can be?
Katie Sturino (05:26):
Yes, yes, there was. It was when I started I
started my account the twelveish style, and I had been
so ashamed to admit or to seem big and to
be big because I was always trying to be small.
And when I realized there were so many women out
there that felt the same as me, who weren't necessarily
(05:46):
even my size, who were smaller than me, who just
felt like, God, it's so hard out there to just
only have one body type represented. I realized in that
moment that there was so much power in showing what
I really looked like, not posed or angled or sucking in,
but like really showing my body was helpful to people,
(06:06):
and that's when I started to realize what I could
potentially do.
Danielle Robay (06:11):
Was it always helpful to you or was it ever
harmful to you to show your body online?
Katie Sturino (06:16):
I think the only harmful thing is when in the
beginning I used to get more upset when people would
comment on my body negatively. Yeah, but now I've got
a pretty thick skin around that. I'm pretty I'm sensitive
about a lot of other stuff, but for some reason
I'm okay with that.
Danielle Robay (06:33):
Well, part of the mess I think that I was
alluding to is your brand Megababe, which exploded. And I
have to tell you, Katie, some of the products even
make me squeamish to talk about. And to be fair,
I'm a little bit of a prude about like bathroom conversation.
But you are on CBS this morning talking about hemorrhoids
(06:55):
and boob sweat. I have to know if you ever
feel resistance or even get embarrassed talking about things, or
do you get it, like, do you get a kick
out of seeing people like me squeam.
Katie Sturino (07:06):
I don't get a kick out of getting people squeamish
around me. I don't because I know that there's that
type of person too, But really I have I have
like such a I just have like a real straightforward
attitude about it because I'm like, this is happening, like
like I'm and I think that that's another thing. There's
power in just being like, Okay, what are we working
(07:29):
with like a sweaty butt crack like talk to me,
Like there's power in just acknowledging what's going on, like
almost like a doctor, although I am not one that
you just you just talk about it and people start
to open up.
Danielle Robay (07:44):
But you're right, it is sort of like a doctor,
like you just you just say what the facts are,
you know, like you're not calling our private parts fake names?
Katie Sturino (07:54):
Correct? Yeah. But the fact that, like for the first
few years, it was hard for us to get our
retailers to talk about our boob sweat powder because they
didn't want to say the word boob like really yes,
So it was like we couldn't like do marketing.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So what shifted? How did you get them on board?
Katie Sturino (08:14):
The conversation shifted? And as I said, I have said
this before, but if I were a man I would
be taking more credit for this, So I'm going to
start taking credit for starting this conversation in the retail space.
I think when we started everything, this is eight years ago,
everything was black and white on the shelves. It was like,
we don't talk about that, like hush hush, And I
(08:36):
think Megababe created a space to talk about things. And
now you have all these fabulous brands like Starface does,
like the pimple patches, you have Honeypot with, like the
vaginal health. There's so many amazing brands who are taking
the shame out of normal body issues. But I would
say Megababe was the first to do that.
Danielle Robay (09:03):
So we sort of jumped into this conversation talking about
the woman that you are today. But a lot of
your book, even though I know some of it is fictional,
is a story.
Katie Sturino (09:14):
Most of it is fictional. I just have to say
that out loud.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Katie, are you sure?
Katie Sturino (09:18):
I am? It's a work of fiction, says it right
in the beginning of the book.
Danielle Robay (09:22):
I know. I just feels very convenient because there are
a lot of overlaps between your real life. But I
believe you you're a Midwestern truth teller, so a lot
of it is fictional, but I know that you had
to do a lot of unlearning and, as you put it,
breaking the rules to become this version of Katie. So
(09:43):
I do want to start from the beginning. I opened
your book and fell in love with your dedication. Will
you read it for us?
Katie Sturino (09:52):
I would love to. I think the dedication is often
like a throwaway, but I feel like this was this
I had a lot to to say.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yes, I could tell.
Katie Sturino (10:03):
Okay it is. Look how ready I am to read
it to you. This book is for any woman who
has ever felt discarded, who's looked in the mirror and
struggled to love what she sees, or who's wondered if
her best days are behind her. I promise you that
life can be anything you want it to be. You
just have to believe. And for first wives.
Danielle Robay (10:27):
Everywhere, Okay, we need to unpack line by line. Okay, yeah,
so the line who's wondered if her best days are
behind her? I can't be the only one because you
wrote this for women, because you felt it. But I
have sort of been feeling this for the first time
(10:50):
in my life. I look at photos from when I
was twenty nine or thirty and I think, hmm, maybe
I'm in a new stage, Like maybe that version of
me that I felt was beautiful, Like now, yes, now
maybe it's more about my insights and I'm trying to wrestle.
Katie Sturino (11:08):
Well, I'm so sorry I have to laugh in your
face because you're so beautiful. You're like, it's about my personality.
Now this face is over.
Danielle Robay (11:18):
Okay, that's kind of how I've been feeling, and I
know that I'm not the only one. Can you tell
me what you were feeling and thinking when you wrote
that line?
Katie Sturino (11:31):
Yes, I think I had to channel how I felt
at age thirty four. So can I ask how old
you are?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I'm thirty four.
Katie Sturino (11:43):
There we go. Okay, so you're thirty four, you've been
married for a year, You've been with someone. This is
my personal life. This is not sunny. You've been with
someone for ten years and you don't feel like you're
starting over at thirty four. Thirty four is not at
the time you start over. Thirty four is the time
you've put the foundation in and you start to build.
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This is like when you start to have kids, you
buy the first house, you do, like that's when your
quote unquote life starts and that is when my life
as I saw it shattered. So I felt so unmoored
and truly just the way that you're telling me. And
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I'm laughing at you because like you're so beautiful and
you're like, I guess I'm old now, Like that's how
I felt too. I said, who's gonna love me? Like
who will ever love me? And add on to the
fact that my body changed so much during the divorce process.
I gained over seventy pounds. So it was like this
and I had not done the work to self to
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have self acceptance. I was just like, what am I
going to do? And I think that I wanted to
put this character out there with all her flaw and
her vulnerability because I think that it's something that's missing
in that pop culture conversation.
Danielle Robay (13:06):
When you say missing, can you expand because I've heard
you say that you really wrote this book because it's
the book you needed when you were going through this
time period.
Katie Sturino (13:15):
I don't know, so I will always shout her out.
Michelle Buteaux has a show called Survival of the Thickest.
I made a cameo in season one thank you, and
I would say that that's like a very positive show
about a curvy girl, and she's like living life and
like loving and doing the whole thing. Other than that,
I have a really hard time finding example of a
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woman who is not striving to be her fittest, thinnest,
smallest and succeeding in life. Like I don't have that example.
So I wanted to put that example out there because
I felt like that's how I felt. I felt like,
what am I going to do If I can't lose
this weight, I'll never find someone. And I think that
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that was a story that I was being told by society,
and I wanted to rewrite it.
Danielle Robay (14:05):
There's also that last line of your dedication that says
uh and for the First Wives everywhere. I don't know
if I'm reading into it, but First Wives Club is
my favorite film of all times. Yeah, are you a Diane,
a bet a Goldie, A Stockard Channing, a Dave Maggie Smith?
Katie Sturino (14:26):
I honestly am like em. I'm probably more emotionally Stockard
Channing because I love her in the firground, like pre
jumping off the roof, but like I love that she's
like so drama. But I'm probably Bette Midler, you know,
I'm silly and I want to be Goldie Hawn. I'm sure,
but I'm not, you know what I mean? And I'm
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not I'm not dying. Not in that movie and for
first Wives everywhere, Yeah, there's like a bit of a
petty feeling around it because like, yes, you move on
and you get closure and you make a new life,
but there's always that little feeling that you have, like
like fuck you, you threw me away? Right? Definitely. Yeah.
Danielle Robay (15:11):
My mom has a ton of like phrases and quotes
and taglines. Always we joke and one of my favorites
is that she says, you want to be the firstborn,
the second wife, and the third real estate agent. So
that's fine, it's a good one, yes, But speaking of
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the first Wives aspect, like there's this element I love
a female friendship. In the book that's at play, Sonny
is in a first wives club with friends who have
also gone through divorce, and her friends are her biggest cheerleaders,
her first investors when she decides to start her own company.
Did you have this? Was this based on reality? Did
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you need people who really understood your experience? Or were
your friends able to show up for you even if
they hadn't experienced it.
Katie Sturino (16:02):
My friends, my like my oldest friends, they all certainly
showed up for me. But there's something unique about having
someone who's going through that process who can really understand.
I think when you go through big life experiences, having
someone who's going through it with you is really important.
And I had one person. I didn't have this like,
you know, fabulous group of girls, but I had one
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person and we were able to like kind of cope together.
But my friends came in and they were my rocks.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's so good to hear.
Katie Sturino (16:33):
Yeah, And I think it's important to call that out too,
because I think the way that we like attacked female
friendships after White Lotus came out and it was like
female friendships were toxic, and I was like, get a life,
Like what like women are everything to women, you.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Know, one hundred percent.
Danielle Robay (16:53):
Also personally, my college group of girlfriends is really this
trio and White Lotus was they were down on trios.
They were like trios are toxic, there's always somebody left out,
and I was like, not in my life. Yeah, yeah,
that's not a good representation. So I love the positivity
in your book.
Katie Sturino (17:11):
Yeah.
Danielle Robay (17:12):
Now I was looking at the timeline of your career
and your divorce and all of these huge things happened
in your life after your divorce. You started megababe, you
wrote now two books, you got your sub stack, you
built this huge following on social media, you got remarried,
and all after this period in a woman's life when
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we're told we're kind of supposed to hang it up, yep.
Were you ever scared those things wouldn't happen for you?
How did you keep the faith?
Katie Sturino (17:43):
Yes? I think that I took my pain and I
turned it into productivity. I couldn't really like do anything,
so I just started working. Like I started my own
PR company in my twenties, and then I was a
doggedger managing my dog. So I've always been I've always
been an entrepreneur and a creative person. But I think
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given like the space my brain suddenly had, I just
decided to go into like overdrive. And it's almost like
the way like people can like pick up a car
off a kid, you know what I'm saying, Like that
like super stress, That's kind of what happened to me.
I just I had so much extra energy and feeling
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that I had to do something with it. Like I
was working all the time. Like I don't work like
that anymore, but I was working all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
How do you feel about that in hindsight?
Katie Sturino (18:38):
Uh, it was awesome. I love it. I'm saying it
was awesome because I don't have the energy now to
do what I was doing, right, you know what I mean.
Danielle Robay (18:49):
It's the super Yeah, that's the superstr Yeah.
Katie Sturino (18:53):
Like by six, I'm like, we got to hang it up.
Danielle Robay (18:56):
Also, when you I think when you live with someone
that you actually like, you don't really want to work
at night as much, you know, as if if you're
alone or trying to avoid somebody.
Katie Sturino (19:06):
Yes, that's completely true. It's like when he came into
my life, he was like, you're doing so much, like
you need to like set some boundaries at home. And
I was like, uh what so, Like I think that's
when I started to scale back the like midnight emails.
Danielle Robay (19:20):
And well, it's been nearly a decade since you're divorce, right, Yes,
so a lot has changed.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
In your life. I'm curious why you wanted to write
this book now.
Katie Sturino (19:32):
It took until now for them to let me write
the book. I've been wanting to write this book, and
you know, it's it's come out in the right time
for me. And I'll tell you a few reasons why. One,
I've always wanted to write this book because I, as
I said, I needed a book like this, and it
didn't exist, and I haven't seen it written since in
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the like you said, in like the ten years since
this happened, this book has not come out, like I'm
not like, oh damn, someone beat me to it. It's
hasn't come out. And then the second thing is that
I think I needed to be in a different headspace
to write this book. If I wrote this book a
year after my divorce, it would be a different book.
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It would be darker, and I wouldn't have been able
to bring all the things that I've learned into the
book into Sonny, like I wouldn't have had to have her.
I wouldn't have been able to have her evolve the
way that she did if I were like fresh in it.
Danielle Robay (20:31):
Yeah, which is interesting to me because it's like, you
are in your personal life so good at talking about
the mess while you're in it, but with this book,
you wanted to do it differently.
Katie Sturino (20:45):
It seems I wasn't allowed to do it differently. But
I'm happy it turned out this way, meaning like they
were like, fiction is really hard, but that's why I
wrote Body Talk, because they were like, I think you
could just get like into the books space and like
see how you like it, see how it goes. Like
these are really helpful lessons you're teaching on your internet.
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Just put them into a book. And I'm so glad
that I did, because, especially on this book tour for
Sunny Side Up, I am getting people bringing their copies
of Body Talk, which is it's a work book so
that you can start your journey of self acceptance. But
it's not like overly intimidating and not it's not too
like preachy. It's quite fun and people are like my
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therapists made May read this, My dietician made May read this,
like I made my mom read this. Like people really
attached to body Talk, and so I feel so lucky
to have been able to do it in that way.
What do they say, trust the process. I guess that.
I mean that's what I needed to do.
Danielle Robay (21:43):
Speaking of Body Talk, self image is a big thing
in Sunny Side Up, and it's obviously a big theme
in your life. Your character Sonny has moments in the
book where you share that she grew up thinking that
women were supposed to be quietly beautiful. That term was
something that I hadn't heard of. How is beauty discussed
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in your house? And what does quietly beautiful mean?
Katie Sturino (22:07):
I don't think that beauty was discussed in my house
growing up. I would say that quietly beautiful means like
effortless and they just kind of show up without a
hair out of place. And that has never been me.
It's not sunny, it's not most people I know. But
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somehow we got that image that that's how you are
supposed to to be, like don't look like you tried
too hard, and but like don't look like a mess.
And m you saw the Barbie.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Movie absolutely well said, right, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
it's that. It's the monologue, the contradictory monologue.
Katie Sturino (22:53):
Yes, yeah, you know.
Danielle Robay (22:55):
It's not lost on me that Sonny's dream bathing suit
is described as green Lorix shimmery. That's not even quiet
a little bit. What inspired that specific choice?
Katie Sturino (23:08):
Just my brain? I think that I I saw a
woman in a green Lorix swimsuit like maybe six or
seven years ago in Italy on the beach and I
loved it, and I could never find something like that again.
So I was like, ooh, let's let's have Sonny have
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this swimsuit, and ooh, let's make it too well.
Danielle Robay (23:32):
Okay, so the making it part, so I don't I
don't want to curse.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Why are you laughing?
Katie Sturino (23:39):
I'm laughing because I because I realized it's so it's
like not a normal fit. It's not like what like
most people are not writing a book being like, okay,
like I wrote a book about this, like Beekeeper and
you can buy the honey. So I'm I'm I. I
know that this is a strange thing to be doing.
But I when I was writing the descriptions of the suits,
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I was like, I just want these suits. So I
was like, why can't we just make the suits? So
then I did. I found a design partner called Kiddy
and Vibe, and we made the suits.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But do you know how brilliant that is?
Katie Sturino (24:16):
No? Can I tell you something else? Not that many
people think it's brilliant?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Why did they know? I'm sure that I don't even
care if they sold well or not.
Katie Sturino (24:24):
It is so we we sold the f out of them.
They sold great. It's just I think what's confusing for
people is is they they're like, we know what a
swim collaboration is and we know what a book is,
but we can't do this, we can't put them together.
And that has been a really interesting thing because I'm like,
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and I made the suits from the book, and people
are kind of like, okay, so the book, Like they
can't they can't do both. And I think that's what's
been really interesting about this process is it's.
Danielle Robay (24:58):
It's I was so impressed and so inspired, honestly because one,
I love a woman who does something that everyone else
says you can't do, but also watch you be the blueprint.
This is going to happen so much more often. I
think you changed the book industry.
Katie Sturino (25:16):
I think I listen, I'm not being like I am like,
you know, the first person here who's ever done anything.
All I'm saying is that, like, I do actually think
that this is really smart, and I will give credit
where credit is due. Olive and June did a nail
polished collaboration with Colleen Hoover two summers ago or last summer,
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and I saw that and I said, that is smart
as hell, and like that, do you know what I mean,
so I will say that that was the first one
I saw, this is the second one I'm seeing, and
I agree that this is the future of books, and
if book publishers are smart, they will get in on
the collab.
Danielle Robay (26:10):
I want to talk to you about something that is
definitely buzzy and very personal and also I think kind
of loaded GLP ones. You've shared that you are on one,
and I really appreciate your openness. I want to ask
you about your decision, but I'll admit that this conversation
is pretty hard to navigate, even as somebody who talks
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for a living, because I think that the value that
we place on thinness is.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Not just about health.
Danielle Robay (26:38):
It's political, it's economic, it's cultural. Oftentimes I think it
could equal privilege. And what I think about is that
it gets it helps get you hired and heard and
sometimes loved. And also the truth of it is that
there's no truth to that, like you can have all
of those big beautiful things in a bigger body, and
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there's also no shame in wanting to be thinner or
not wanting it. So I'm just as somebody who is
so in tune with this conversation in her body. I
want to hear your perspective on that decision.
Katie Sturino (27:13):
Yeah. I I have always been an advocate for health
at any size. Take care of yourself. Go to the doctor.
Find a doctor who listens to you. Don't find a
doctor who just tells you to like go on a
diet or tries to prescribe you a GLP one because you,
you know, have like an eye twitch. So that's one
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thing I want to say personally. As I've gotten older,
my A one C started to go up. And this
is so nuanced, so I'm just I'm just prefacing that
because I have gotten so many messages positive and negative
on this topic, and I understand why. But as my
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A one C started to go up, my chole also
was going up. And I was like, you know what, Katie,
I think you got to make some changes. So I
engaged a food coach. And I think there's also like
there's a lot of disordered eating conversations that need to
happen in the background of the GLP one conversation. Also
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that I don't even know that I have words for yet.
I wore like a monitor, like a glucose monitor to
see like what foods work with my blood, and I
altered my movement and tried all these different ways to
change my blood work, and after over a year of that,
my blood work had not improved. Not only did it
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not improve, it went up and I was just right
on the border of diabetes. And I was like, yeah,
you know what, I have a family history of diabetes.
I don't want diabetes. I'm going to try this drug
that is made to help people. Now, I will say this,
my insurance does not cover a payout of pocket. That's
a privilege. This medication should be covered by all insurances
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for people who need it. That's another thing. Yes, it should,
and it's it's bs that it's not. So that was
my That was my decision was to try this and
see if it worked. And I have a lot of
positive feelings towards this drug because I think it back
to that eating disorder space. I don't think I ever
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realized that my brain wasn't operating an Oprah has said this,
my brain doesn't operate the way that other people's brains work.
So she's talked about how you know your friend Kelly
can have like quote unquote willpower and has a piece
of the pie and is like, wow, that was great. Pie,
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but there's something in my brain for my whole life
that I had. I'm like, Wow, that pie was good,
and not only I'm going to have a piece of
the pie. I'm going to have like most of the pie.
And I'm not even going to feel full or sick.
So it's just this like endless feeling that I've always
had that I have never understood. And one of the
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things that the GLP one has done for me is
kind of shown me maybe what it's like to have
a brain like everyone else is having. I think the confused.
So I haven't talked about that before. That's like, that's
something that's new to say out loud. And I think
something that is hard is that people look at you
and they're like, you made your you made your living
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off the back of like talking about your plus size,
and now you want to lose weight, and it's just
not true. I thought I was a size twenty, Like
sometimes at twenty two, I thought I looked awesome, Like
I certainly wasn't shining away from posting photos in my swimsuit.
I don't look at those photos now and say, ew,
you're gross. I'm like, God, like I really loved my
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curves and the way everything was balanced out, and like
I love the way that like my cheeks had like
more lift in them because like I had like more
fat in my face. And like there's all these there's
all these things and these misconceptions and it's so and
I understand why, because a lot of people feel abandoned.
I mean, ever since Adele emerged from the pandemic, like
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in a different body, we've had this feeling of abandonment
of it's like, oh, I'm only big girl left and
it's simply not true. And by the way, I started
my journey at a size twelve fourteen, Like I'm not
ever gonna be like I I'm a size eighteen right now.
I'm not trying to get to a twelve to fourteen.
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I'm just saying, like I've always been big, Like this
is just my body, and I think it's just been
And I know I sound defensive, but it's it's kind
of how I feel I have to be at this moment.
I have to over explain things because people are so
quick to just be like you are a sellout and
it has nothing to do with that and it's not.
And it's like the clothes I post are size inclusive,
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like the like the people I feature like I It's
everything is my messaging is all the same, and I
find it so hard and hurtful. And then I will
add another layer, which is that people who medically need
this drug and are wanting to try it are ashamed
because they have people in their lives who are saying
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that's a cop out, or like they're scared because of
all the stigma. And I'm gonna say one more thing,
which is that when you start to lose weight on
this drug, which is what it will do to you,
you get a barrage of comments you don't want and
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everyone should. You know, everyone probably looks at you and
they're like, no, of course you want to hear Oh
you lost weight, Oh you're so skinny. Oh no, no,
I don't. I don't want to hear that. And I
know a lot of people who follow me are so
deeply uncomfortable with that part of it too, because it's
like it's you can't hide from it. It's visible and
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uh and and it's uncomfortable to have strangers and people
you're close with and everyone just commenting on your body
the whole time. So it's it's such, it's very it's
a long answer, but it's very complicated.
Danielle Robay (33:19):
I appreciate you putting yourself out on the ledge because
you're at the forefront of the conversation and it's not
easy to navigate.
Katie Sturino (33:28):
No, And you know, I'm a Midwest girl and I'm
just trying to make everyone happy and it's hard. This
has been really, really hard for my mentors.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.
Danielle Robay (33:40):
Yeah, you know, it seems like you've gone through some
hard things in your life. So to hear and I
can see it in your face to hear you say
this is hard. I feel the weight of it.
Katie Sturino (33:52):
Yeah, but you know what we're doing. We're doing what
we always do. We're starting a conversation that isn't being had,
and we're like, I'm sorry, I'm crying now. We're starting
a conversation that isn't being had. We are de shaming
things that people are feeling a lot of shame about,
and we're going to figure out, Like we're going to
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figure this out together. So like it's out there and
now we figure it out.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Can I ask you where the tears came from.
Katie Sturino (34:20):
Yes, I think it's the acknowledgment that this is hard,
because I don't it's it's the acknowledgment that this is hard.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's really hard.
Katie Sturino (34:36):
Yeah, because I don't think that I'm someone who deserves
to feel like they can have a hard time because
I'm so privileged and lucky, and like, I don't want
to put that out there for people.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, the conversation is not easy around it.
Danielle Robay (34:51):
Yeah, I want to bring this back to joy a
little bit, because you are so joyful.
Katie Sturino (34:57):
I'm available, You're available for joy.
Danielle Robay (35:02):
I've heard you talk about how when you moved to
New York you tried writing a little bit and I
love your giggle, but you tried writing a little bit
and it just like it felt frustrating. And I heard
you talk about how like the traditional journalism felt intimidating.
But here you are writing your second book. Was what
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was the joy in that? What was the most fun
you had writing this book?
Katie Sturino (35:31):
Oh? The most fun I've had writing this book is
having people read it and having them experience it. Because
writing the book is much less fun than I thought
it would be. And I think that that's just the
thing about writing is it's just not it's not always
very fun. I think it's a glamorized job. It's hard,
it is. It's so hard, and the editing process is hell.
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And I just think that it's something that we have
romanticized and I think it is very I feel so
proud of what I've put out, but it's it's not easy.
It's not an easy process.
Danielle Robay (36:08):
How do you tell yourself to keep doing it when
you hate when you hate the process of it?
Katie Sturino (36:12):
Oh my god? Because I'm like, we're here, we got
to get it out and look at me. I'm like
telling you how horrible it is. And I'm like, is
there a sequel? I don't know, yes, like I'd love one.
So like That's that's the thing about me sometimes, I think,
is even when it's hard, I'm like, let's do it again.
Danielle Robay (36:29):
I love asking writers of fiction novels who they would cast.
But I have a different question for you. Oh, because
I was reading your book, I'm thinking Katie has to
play this character. Oh, this becomes a TV series or film.
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I think it should be a series. I think so two, like,
would you ever play the main character?
Katie Sturino (36:58):
Never? I'm not an actress, And I'll tell and I'll
tell you why I know that you are. No you Nope, nope,
I can't remember anything as one issue I have, so
I can't remember my lines? And two do you know
and if you've watched my if you've watched my cameo
on Survival of the Thickest, it's season one, I believe,
episode seven. I'm in a nightclub. I do a one
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line delivery. It took me weeks to get it right.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
That's because it was one line.
Katie Sturino (37:30):
I'm just saying, I don't when you when I have
to do something with rules my brain. Like it's like
why I wasn't great at school because like my brain
can't just get in there, like I can't. I'm like, oh, oh,
it's got to be done this certain way. Hold on.
And then I turned into a robot. So I will
not be playing sunny, but someone will, someone wonderful will be.
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So I'm willing it into existence.
Danielle Robay (37:56):
I am too. I want this as a series, Katie.
I love asking our guess what they've bookmarked this week.
It could be a weird fact, a fun quote, something
you saved on Instagram, something you texted your best friend.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
What have you bookmarked?
Katie Sturino (38:12):
I just learned of an adult reading summer camp in
Maine where you can go for a weekend and it's
like a bunch of books like crafts like canoeing, and
all you do is read and talk to people about reading.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And canoe and craft. This is amazing.
Katie Sturino (38:33):
But also if you don't want a canoe and craft,
they say specifically, you can just go read.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Okay, where do we sign up?
Katie Sturino (38:41):
I know it's in Maine and it's it's in a
place called Fork's, Maine. And god, it's called the what
is it called the Bad Bitches book Club? Is that
the name of the camp? Yeah, bad Bitch's book Club camp. Yeah,
that's what.
Danielle Robay (38:56):
It's called, The Bad Bitch's book Club. That's honestly, besides
Reese's book Club, that's the only club I want to
be a part of.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That's amazing, Katie.
Danielle Robay (39:04):
I'm shudder even asking you this last question because I
know you hate rules, but I have a game with
a whole bunch of rules that I want to play
with you. It's called speed Read. I'm putting sixty seconds
on the clock and I'm going to ask you a
series of rapid fire questions.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
You have to say the first thing that comes to
your mind.
Katie Sturino (39:24):
Okay, I'm closing my eyes. I'm ready.
Danielle Robay (39:27):
Okay, three, two, one, If you could swap closets with
any fictional character.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Who and why?
Katie Sturino (39:35):
Oh the woman from White Lotus Season two, Italy Tanya.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Why that's amazing because.
Katie Sturino (39:44):
She wears like what I would want to wear, just
like bejeweled calftans.
Danielle Robay (39:49):
You're stranded on a desert island and you get one
beauty product, one book, and one snack.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
What are you bringing.
Katie Sturino (39:56):
Mega bab Thy Rescue so that I can walk without?
All fours by Miranda July on audio because I could
listen to it all day long. I am bringing those
like air puff Cheetos.
Danielle Robay (40:12):
What's one literary trope you would ban forever?
Katie Sturino (40:16):
Honestly the wedding deadline in my own book.
Danielle Robay (40:21):
That's fundy one that you'll defend with your life.
Katie Sturino (40:25):
I still like a meet cute.
Danielle Robay (40:27):
I like meat cute too, Okay, your favorite book to
recommend to friends?
Katie Sturino (40:32):
All fours and sunny side up?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
And just for you, we have some Midwest specific ones.
Danielle Robay (40:41):
Tbr or cheese curds, Oh, cheese curds, ranch or ketchup
ranch is disgusting?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Whoa hot takes?
Katie Sturino (40:49):
Hot takes? Only?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Do you say soda or pop?
Katie Sturino (40:51):
I say soda.
Danielle Robay (40:52):
Okay, that's not very Midwest of you. Culver's or Portillo's.
Katie Sturino (40:56):
Oh Cops, which is in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Only what book shaped the way you see the world.
Katie Sturino (41:06):
I'm not going to say All Fours for the third time, but.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I'm not not going to say but I'm not not
going to say it.
Katie Sturino (41:14):
But because can I tell you something, The reason that
book really like cracked my brain open is that it
was like it was I mean, it's obviously like you know,
it's crazy and whatever, but like she talks about being
in your mid forties in a way that I haven't
seen before. Like she's like, I didn't know I had
(41:35):
like limited reserves of estrogen, Like I need to go
have sex with people like she has. She has all
these like insights and ideas that I had never heard before.
And I was like, I love this.
Danielle Robay (41:47):
My best friend is the best reader I know. And
she called me one day and she was like, have
you read All Fours? I said, not yet, and she said,
I'm so turned on and I don't think I'm supposed
to be.
Katie Sturino (42:04):
It's Mariana july Is. She is like a comedic queen.
She's reading it and she's so funny without trying to
be funny, and while also trying to be funny. Like
it's all. It's It's wonderful, Katie.
Danielle Robay (42:16):
You are so real and so much fun and so
full of life. Thank you for bringing all of your
joy and your sunniness to Reese's book Club.
Katie Sturino (42:25):
Thank you. I've loved hanging out. We had teers, we
had everything.
Danielle Robay (42:34):
If you want a little bit more from us, come
hang with us on socials. We're at Reese's book Club
on Instagram, serving up books, vibes and behind the scenes magic.
And I'm at Danielle Robe Roba y come say hi
and DM me And if you want to go nineties
on us, call us. Okay, our phone line is open,
so call now at one five zero one two nine
(42:55):
to one three three seven nine. That's one five one
two nine one three three seven nine.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Share your literary.
Danielle Robay (43:05):
Hot takes, book recommendations, questions about the monthly pick, or
let us know what you think about the episode you
just heard, and who knows, you might just hear yourself
in our next episode, so don't be shy. Give us
a ring, and of course, make sure to follow Bookmarked
by Reese's book Club on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast
or wherever you get your shows. Until then, see in
(43:29):
the Next Chapter. Bookmarked is a production of Hello Sunshine
and iHeart Podcasts. It's executive produced by Reese Witherspoon and
me Danielle Robe. Production is by ACAST Creative Studios. Our
producers are Matty Foley, Brittany Martinez, Sarah Schleid, and Darby Masters.
Our production assistant is Avery Loftis. Jenny Kaplan and Emily
(43:51):
Rudder are the executive producers for a Cast Creative Studios.
Marien Polo and Reese Witherspoon are the executive producers for
Hello Sunshine. Olga Kaminwa, Kristin Perla and Ashley Rappaport are
associate producers for Reese's book Club. Ali Perry and Lauren
Hansen are the executive producers for iHeart Podcasts. Tim Palazzola
(44:13):
is our showrunner.
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