May 3, 2023 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome everybody to the Buck Sexton Show. We have our
friend Ned Ryan with us. He is the founder and
CEO of American Majority. We're gonna talk to Ned about
the state of play going into the twenty twenty four election.
How we're doing with the tactics of getting votes in
the places we need them when we need them there,
(00:42):
how we're doing on the messaging battle, and just always
feeling about politics in general. Right now. We've got a
lot of things to talk to mister Ned about, sir.
Always good to see you, my friend. Tell me tell
me this, what is your biggest concern right now? I'm
not asking about a primary candidate anything else. For the
(01:03):
GOP heading into the Biden reelection effort right now, trying
to oppose him. What's your biggest point of concern? What
makes you think, guys, we got to wake up here.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I think the first thing, Buck, as soon as I
saw the Biden you know, announcement for reelection. Right now,
if you were to ask me, who do I put
the odds on favorite to win reelection. It's Joe Biden
and Kamala Harris. As horrifying as that thought is that
we have Grandpa Dementia and Harpy Harris as the nominees
running for reelection right now in April of twenty twenty three,
(01:41):
I'm not I have to tell you, I would give
them the nod because I think the Democrats are far
better at collecting ballasts than Republicans are, and I think
we're kind of getting caught up a little spun up
about is that Trump is a descantis. I have to
tell you, and I'm saying this in some ways a
little bit to kind of grab people's attention. I don't
care who the nominee is. I really don't, because I
think we're getting lost in that. First of all, we
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should focus on the fact that we're going to have
an America First candidate as the Republican nominee in twenty
twenty four. Rejoice in that fact. But we had better
figure out how we become better at our ballot collecting machine.
And buck I've been hammering on this for a while.
In fact, American Majority has made it one of our
main focuses for training starting in January of this year,
(02:27):
in which we are trying to communicate to the grassroots,
to candidates, to anybody that will listen, really explaining what
I think took place over the last couple election cycles
where Democrats have realized it's not really about votes, it's
not persuading people, it's about how do we collect ballots,
more ballots than they do than Republicans. And I've explained
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to the grassroots the good news is we do actually
have a model on what we should be doing in
every presidential battleground state and it's called Florida. And let
me explain a little bit about what Florida has done
very very well, especially over the last five years the
Republican Party in Florida to give people hope, but to
also highlight what we should be doing. Over the last
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five years, the Republican Party in Florida went from being
down over two hundred and fifty thousand voter registrations to
Democrats to now being up four hundred and fifty thousand.
That's a seven hundred thousand swing in five years. How
did that happen? Because they committed about two to three
million a year over the last five years and said
we're going to go and build out our voter base.
(03:28):
Now we're up seven seven hundred thousand, swing up four
hundred and fifty thousand, Buck, I have to tell you,
because of some of that, I don't think Florida's a
battleground state next year. But the other aspect of what
Florida has done very well for I would say six
seven election cycles, they've actually committed to an absentee ballot
chase program over the last six weeks of the general elections,
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where they've put at least ten million in they've pursued
the one point one to one point three Republican absentee
ballots in the state to get eighty to ninety percent
return This is something that the Republican Party kind of
used to do fairly well in other states, but is
really let all off. And I think one of the
things Buck that really highlights how bad badly it has
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fallen off is Arizona in twenty twenty two, in which
just over a million absentee ballots were requested by Republicans,
only six hundred and fifty thousand were returned, or roughly
sixty five percent. If you had had eighty percent of
absentee ballots returned in Arizona, you would have won secretary
of State, you would have won the governor, you would
have won Senate, you would have won the attorney General,
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you would have won everything. And quite frankly, very definitively,
but nobody took the time to actually fund an absentee
ballid chase program in Arizona. That's why you actually lost
every statewide. And so my message right now is, don't
get caught up in the Trump DeSantis fight, in the
primary focus on the fundamentals of how we're going to
actually implement absentee ballot chase programs in Arizona, in Nevada,
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in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina. And if we don't
figure that one out, Buck, I think we're just having
kind of really nice conversations about who the nominee might be,
who will actually lose to Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Is the DNC small harder than the RNC? I mean,
is there machinery just more efficient and better functioning than ours.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The fact of the matter is, since Obama and Organizing
for America, the DNC is really just a legal kind
of functional mechanism organization in which most of the political
power on the left, on the Democrat side doesn't really
run through the DNC. They've gone and kind of branched
out into other things that have done a lot of
this absentee ballot chase program really well. In fact, someone's
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told me I have not been able to independently confirm
this book, but I've heard that outside groups in Arizona
plowed about twenty to thirty million into absentee ballot chase
programs alone in Arizona. All outside groups, right, not state party,
not the DNC, most of that being outside groups.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think great, And just I think this is I
want to learn this too, right, I mean you look
at this stuff. I think for everybody listening, it's important
we say like outside groups, right, I mean take us
into the machinery here a little bit of if you say,
the DNC is just kind of a thing that's there
almost like a figurehead for what I always refer to
as the Democrat apparatus. Where are the centers of power,
(06:19):
like what actually matters for Democrats to win elections? And
I mean in terms of the electoral tactics and get
out the vote effort, you know what I mean, Like
who who's making that happen for them.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I mean, part of it is that the candidates themselves,
the campaigns themselves, have figured this out. I mean, think
about the fact book really quick. Josh Shapiro and Pennsylvania
didn't debate once in the gubernatorial race. Katie Hobbs in
Arizona didn't debate once in the Arizona gubernatorial race. Why
is that? Because Democrats have figured out it's really not
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about persuasion. It's not about persuading people to vote for you.
It's about understanding, have we seeded the field with enough
absentee ballots, with enough ballot requests for us to go
out and be able to collect them. And what they've done,
Buck is they have gone in and they've gotten a
lot of their low propensity voters. And just so people
who are listening to understand, most times you rank voters
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one out of four, one out of four being a
presidential general only election type voter, four out of four
being they show up at every primary, they vote in
spring elections, they vote in the general. What Democrats have
done very very well on the left is they've gone
out and they've realized we need to get our low
propensity voters to actually request a ballot, so then we
know we've actually pushed out a ton of ballots into
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the universe. Then we know where they're at, and we're
now going to collect all of those ballots. Because we
know this person has a ballot, we're going to harass
them either through phone calls, peer to peer text, door
knocks to get them to return that ballot. We as Republicans,
have not done that. In Florida. We've done it fairly well.
We've done kind of the push. We've pushed people to
get ballots, and then we've pulled them in, we've chased them.
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We had better figure out those strategies pretty quick. And
I have to tell you I just do not see
the R and C having First of all, I'm going
to be pretty rude here, the basic and intelligence, the desire,
the willingness and ability to actually do a robust absentee
ballot chase and call it five to six presidential battleground states.
(08:20):
So I think it's incumbent upon outside groups and obviously
American Majority Action are C four is working with some
groups to say, regardless of what the RNC figures out,
regardless of what a presidential campaign might figure out, or
a state GOP. We have to make sure we facilitate
maybe three four five presidential battleground state absentee ballot chase
programs in a very robust way. And I've told the
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other folks that are involved it has to probably start
at ten million over the last four to six weeks
whenever the ballots drop in a specific state.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Now, is it fair to say that you know, you work,
you know, as cee of American Majority, you're doing the
the ground pounding work of elections for the for Republicans,
the GOP, Conservatism, et cetera. Are you completely to write?
Are you out gunned at least just by the sheer
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number and financing of the other side? I couldn't even care. Yeah,
I had a feeling like, give me a sense of
that scale. It just feels like everywhere I look, there's
another organization that's doing the bidding of the left. And
not all of them are fun to buy sorrows. Obviously
a lot of them are. And I wonder like, where
did all this come from?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, I have to tell you, in fact, my new
op ed for American Greatness, where I write them, is
probably going to be a little brutal on think tanks.
I think that I think the right needs to really
examine what they're doing with a lot of their nonprofit money.
The left has been very sophisticated with how they spend
the C three and C four money. This is a dynamic.
(09:53):
I think we need to look at where the left
is fixated on doing everything they can to achieve political power.
They have this obsession and lust with political power. We
on the right are wandering about. I'm even saying Connik
fiddles while the Republic burns, that we're spending so much
money on think tanks and white papers that we need
to start focusing on, you know, two to three million
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a year in voter registration to these states battleground states,
and we need to figure out how we're doing no
less than ten million into absentee ball chase. The left
is far more sophisticated than we are right now and
how they spend their nonprofit money. And again, if you
want to talk about, yeah we outgunned, are we overwhelmed? Again?
I don't know how they did this legally, but Mark
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Zuckerberg with Center for Tech and Civic Life dropping in
four hundred plus million into presidential battleground states into blue
counties to boost the blue vote. I mean, that's just
one example. It's obviously a significant one. But you realize
the left is plowing a lot of money into these
outside groups to be used in a very effective way,
and whether if it's not voter registration, if it's not
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some of this other stuff. They're doing law fair, they're
doing investigative journalism, they're doing Floyer request, they're doing a
lot of different things to throw sand into the gears
of anybody on the right that might be trying to
do effective work. So we got to figure out how
we use our nonprofit money much much better, and until
we do, we're going to be outgunned, and sadly, Buck
I think outgunned pretty significantly.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
So just I think that's such an important point about
the about the zucker Bucks issue. You know, people will
refer to this, Well, what actually happened there? I know
it is four hundred million dollars, and I know it
was to help Democrats. But so they're able to use
tax advantage dollars, right, I assume these are this is
these are tax advantage, tax deductible dollars that I know Zuckerberg.
(11:41):
You know, it's got so much money, he doesn't care,
but still to pick and choose, like we're just doing
a Basically, if you just chose to do a get
out the vote effort in the city of Philadelphia, well
guess what you're gonna help Pennsylvania. You go pretty blue, right,
And that's so they're able to keep it nonpartisan. So
it's tax advantage, but it's really not non partisan because
(12:03):
you're where you're harvesting the votes are Democrats stronghold, right,
Is that basically the formula? Like, how did it work?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah? Well it really was. And Center for Tech and
Civic Life was actually being run by some alumni from
the New Organizing Institute who quite frankly I always admired
for their pretty highly skilled tactics and strategy, and they
started Center for techan Civic Life and persuaded Zuckerberg to
do this. I mean, it's not rocket science book. You
know that there's certain places, like you just said, I
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they're heavily urban areas, the odds are it's going to
vote a certain way. Hey, let's go in and maybe
put ten dollars per voter into that county or that
area versus maybe a dollar for a red county. And
we're just going to help facilitate the vote, put some
drop boxes in. But it got to the point, like
in Green Bay where Center for Tech and Civic Life
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essentially took over the machinery, the local machinery for how
elections were conducted. They went in and were extremely aggressive
and actually said, this is how the elections are going
to be conducted if you're going to take our grant
money and we're actually going to facilitate how it operates.
I still stunned. Again, not stunned, Buck, because I know
a lot of the machinery of this vast bureaucracy, whether
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it's at state, local, or even the federal level, they're
not on our side. But it is pretty staggering that
we've a lot We allowed a billionaire to go in
and through a nonprofit, essentially take over the election process
and that that entire process in these battleground states, and
nobody said, hey, do we have a conversation about this
on a serious level, And we're just kind of like, Eh,
(13:37):
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I want to ask you.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I'm telling you what I'm telling you right now. To
their credit, a lot of Republican legislators have outlawed zuck
Bucks where they have the political power to power to
do so. But I'm telling you, Buck, the left is
never asleep. They're never going to stop and go out. Well,
you beat us on that one. I guess we just
have to take a break. I've made this point on
a on Lord Ingram show. But look at what they're
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doing in Minnesota. They've done motor voter laws, they're now
pre registering sixteen and seventeen year olds, and they're also
proposing pop up polling locations. And the easiest way to
explain that is, you know, someone in accounting can request, hey,
we'd like to have a pop up polling location in
an advantageous place for us, say a rustome or college campus.
Think of it as a drop box on steroids. I mean,
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the left is always aggressively trying to pursue how do
we get political power and then how do we hold
onto it? And we on the right, a lot of
people are just wandering about, you know, having black tie
affairs and popping off fireworks over the Potomac to celebrate
their existence, but not achievement.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's a little discouraging and unfortunately, if we're going to
talk about Joe Biden here in a second, and we'll
be faced with him. I don't think I don't think
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I think sometimes this makes people, uh, and even in
some of my beloved audience frustrated with me because I
end up having to tell them, Yeah, Joe Biden is
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a clown. He was not smart even forty years ago.
And you would go on all the list. There's aviators
to cover up his face so that people don't realize
he's so vacant and old and decrepit in the whole thing. Right,
this is I point all this stuff. I get it.
He's probably going to win unless we figure out a
few things. And this is what I try to tell everybody.
Democrats don't care. They don't care that he is a
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decrepit buffoon, and he's quasi snile, if not fully seenile. Right,
he's the brand and their brand apparatus is very powerful,
and they're going to run. Democracy is going to die
if the Republican probably Trump ends up being the nominee
on our side and that may swing enough independence. Who
are just did you see the Paul that said they're
all exhausted by the way, That's the biggest thing that
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people are thinking about now that there's exhaustion. Exhaustion not
good for our side.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
No, no, no, I you know, I'm kind of looking
at what I'm doing right now, eighteen months out from
the general elections in November of twenty twenty four, of
kind of ringing the bell a little bit and going,
you think that we're up against you know, Grandpa to me,
Harvey Harris. These guys are idiots, they are. But again,
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understand what's taking place. It's not even about Biden and
Kamala Harris and all of their supposed, you know, attributes,
which are very limited on so many different levels. It's
about them being used as vehicles to achieve and to
retain political power. So quite frankly, you know, we do
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not be distracted by that and think, well, there's no
way we can lose to these chumps. Yes, you can,
because they are focused on the machinery and the functional
aspects that we just discussed of. We're going to collect
more ballast than the other guys, and we're going to
invest enough money to do so. But the other thing too, Buck.
I'm working on a new book, hopefully it's going to
come out this year, but it's called American Leviathan, and
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it really is about the administrative state. But understand that
we're up against not only the Democratic Party, the left,
the corporate propagandists. We are up against the administrative state,
and they want to see somebody that's an ally to
the administrative state wins. So we're up against very powerful forces.
We should not underestimate that. That should hopefully sober us
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up a bit and hopefully focus us on what we
should be doing over the next eighteen months, because it's
going to be a battle royale. If you think that
somehow administrative actors state actors are going to simply go, oh, yeah,
you know, Joe Biden's all washed up. I guess we're
just going to have to watch Donald Trump take the
White House back. No, they view him as an existential threat.
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They view him as it's such an incredible threat to
the premise that the administrative state is legitimate. They're going
to do everything that they can to make sure that
Joe Biden is able to waltz back into the White
House so that they can actually continue doing the actual
real governing of this country and use Joe Biden as
kind of a front man.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Do you think that the plan is to push Biden
through with every trick in the book in twenty twenty
four and then at some point have Kamala take over
and therefore he gets to be Kamala gets to be
the first black female vice president. Obviously, this will be
the Democrat Party touting or the massive achievement they're in
without ever facing voters.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I think I don't think he's gonna be able to
get away with as much as he did in twenty
twenty and the COVID era, where he could stay in
the basement and have the corporate propagandas essentially run his
campaign for him and do all the messaging for him.
I think they're gonna do that again, though. I think
they're going to use that playbook again. You know, I
think the whole Russian disinformation, you know, Hunter Biden laptop,
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you know, ploy they'll price try and pull that one
out again and do something along those lines. Yeah, I
think there's gonna be a whole host of things. We've
seen them pull out their playbook before. I think they're
going to use a lot of those same tricks. And
I think the corporate propagandas are going to be on
steroids next year to try and and make sure that
Donald Trump or whoever the nominee is does not take
the White House back, because I don't know if you
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guys have noticed, Donald Trump is making it very clear recently,
even you know the schedule f I'm going to go in,
I'm going to reclassify some of these government employees, thousands
of them, and then I'm going to fire them. He's
making it very clear he plans to go to war
with the administrative state. They know that they view him
as an existential threat. So whatever confidence you might feel
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and running against Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, please don't be overconfident.
I feel like I was over confident last year in
twenty twenty two. I'm never going to make that same mistake.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Again, I feel. Just to be fair, I feel exactly
the same way I thought, how is it possible? What
a disaster. Biden is and the Democrats are so insane
that any well, go look at what college educated voters
in particular data in places like Arizona and Nevada in
Pennsylvania and what they said in the polling, which is
just you know, threat to democracy. You know, they believe
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some of the you know, pro abortion propaganda and they
don't like Trump and end of story. Right, and you
sit here, you go, WHOA, what about crime in cities?
What about a wide open border? What about anation?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Eah? Yeah, no, they're very good to propagate the thing though.
And I don't want to be too much of a
Debbie downer for your listeners, Like I want them to
have some hope.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I know you're usually a happy guy, by the way,
Like you're a pretty your an upbeat, you know, optimistic guy. Yeah,
but keep going.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I so just say, you know, there's one hundred and
forty four thousand more registered Republicans in Arizona than Democrats.
You should be able to win that in twenty twenty
four if you do the right things. You know, even
in Minnesota, I was just up there training trained a
couple hundred people on apps absentee ballot chase ballot out,
ballot in. And I made the point, if you guys
had actually been able to do something like this last
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fall in a state like Minnesota and collected just about
twenty two thousand rule absentee ballots that we knew we're
all going to go break for a Republican, you would
have won the state auditors race, and you would have
beaten Keith Ellison in the Attorney General's race. The numbers
are there. It can be done. So I want to
give people hope and knowing, hey, if you do the
right things, we could we actually have some pretty good
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victories next year. But simply hoping, simply wishing for that
is not going to actually get it done. We're going
to have to be seriously focused on and this is
what I'm doing, raising money to make sure that we're
doing the voter registration, working on doing absentee ballot chase.
It's going to take a lot of hard work and
a lot of people are going to have to actually
buy into that philosophy on our site. And the good
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news is buck wherever I've gone out and trained on
this this year, i'd say ninety nine percent of people
agreeing saying we need to do this. We're going to
commit to it, and we're going to do everything that
we can to make sure this happens in our state.
So I'm optimistic if we do the right things, we
can win. But there's a lot of ground, a lot
of things that need to be done between April and
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twenty twenty three and actually achieving that next fall in
twenty twenty four. So we got a lot of work
to do, but it can be.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Done and need When we come back, can I ask
you to tell everybody about your Virginian You've been on
the forefront of some of the political battles there, including
some of the school issues. Glenn Youngkin, I haven't heard
much in a while. I want a full I want
a full NED report card on Youngkin. And also I
want a NED report card on how the Trump campaign,
(23:23):
the campaign not really Trump is doing so I mean,
I know it's all tied together, but it's doing so far.
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All right, let's let's start with young kin. You know
I was all excited. I was on the for Virginians.
I was certainly given high fives for Youngkins, big, big
win and we needed a little bit of a boost
at for twenty twenty And how's he done, ned, I mean,
(24:50):
And by the way, is he a possible presidential contender.
I haven't heard anything about that.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I don't think he's gonna run in twenty twenty four.
I think he's pretty realistic that right now you've got
two heavyweights. I would argue one super heavyweight with Trump
and another heavyweight with DeSantis, and the polls reflect that
quite frankly, Youngkin's been doing a really good job in
here Virginia, especially considering he doesn't have the state Senate.
(25:17):
He's got the House of Delegates fifty two to forty
eight majority, he doesn't have the state Senate. But he's
been able to achieve some good things on a host
of fronts, and he's he and Jason Millais and win
some series have been doing his best they can without
having the full political power needed to achieve some of
these policy goals. But Glenn Youngkin right now, and I
think part of this might be part of the reason
(25:38):
buck that he's kind of foregoing a presidential I want
to remind people this year in Virginia, we have every
state Senate race, and we have every House of Delegate race,
And if Glenn Youngkin wants to be able to have
that last year of his governorship to achieve some policy things,
he's going to actually need to have the state Senate
and it's going to be a battle Royale. The maps
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are going to be really tough buck for us to
get to a twenty twenty tie right now it's twenty
one to nineteen, actually twenty two eighteen. For us to
get to a twenty two tie for Winston to have
the tie breaking vote is going to be an incredible
achievements can be very hard, So I think Glenn's focused
on that. We're going to be focused as well on
maybe adding a seat or two to the House of
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Delegates majority. But if you were to ask me, and
I haven't talked to him, I don't really have that
connection with Youngkin, But if if I were to guess,
I would say he's going to be putting a lot
of time and resources into trying to get keep the
majority in the House of Delegates, hopefully get to at
least a twenty twenty tie in the state Senate so
he can have one year to really achieve some of
these policy goals that he really wants to achieve.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
So so far, I mean it sounds to me like
I don't want to put words in your mouth. What's
the letter grade?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Oh, I would say, given what he's been able to do,
there's been a couple maybe I would quibble with. I'd
give him a solid A minus.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I was going to say, it sounds a minus or
B plus territory that's good.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say, for somebody
who was in what is most assuredly a purple state,
he's he's been doing a really good job on what
he has the ability to do. Let's put it that way.
So I think Glenn Youngkin has a future in Republican politics.
I don't think it's twenty twenty four, but maybe it's.
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Maybe it's after that.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Is Virginia in play for Republican in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Maybe? And the reason I say that buck is a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I could say maybe, but you keep going.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, I mean, think about it, Glenn Younkin. Really, I mean,
he had Terry mcculluff throw them all kinds of gifts
coming down the home stretch. A lot of people really
woke up those last thirty forty days and said we
can win Virginia young can only win by what about
two points, So even then we kind of caught them
by surprise. I think there's going to be like kind
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of goes back to and I don't want to sound
like a broken record. If the work is done to
actually do voter registration and absentee ballot chase in Virginia,
which is a little harder than some other states because
we don't register by party in Virginia. If we do
those things, I have every reason to believe that we
can make Virginia really competitive in twenty twenty four. But
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it's are we going to invest the time and money
into the functional aspects that will make it.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It sounds like the Virginia GOP, then is it is
in a maybe better than average place, because like the Penncil,
from what I understand from my Pennsylvania friends, for example,
the Democrat the Democrat machine in Pennsylvania is just kicking
the ass of the Republican machine in Pennsylvania in every
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possible way, have them outplay and outfunded, outthought. And I'm like, guys,
it's kind of a big deal. Right, this isn't This
isn't like Rhode Island. You know, this is Pennsylvania. It's
an important battleground state. Virginia is in a little better
like how would you gauge that?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah? Does sound like really? I mean yes, because of
Glenn Youngkin, But you have to understand most state parties
are have no funding, they have no ability to actually
perform a lot of these things. I mean, I would
say I'm a fan of the Virginia GOP folks. I
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think they're doing the best they can considering their limited finances.
But this is of some concern. If we're not going
to have really strong state gops, we better figure out
outside groups that are going to be very robustly funded
to be able to do some of those functions. So, yeah,
I think it's I think it's doing fine. I would
give it definitely not as good a great as Glenn Youngkin,
(29:48):
but it's hanging in there. It's just it's a very
hard job. Look to run a state GOP in many
parts thanks to McCain, fine gold, but it's just it's
really hard to do and do it effectively. And I
would argue probably of the fifty state gops there's maybe
ten that are actually well enough funded to do effective work. Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
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at this early stage. How's it looking? Who's doing what?
What do they need to change? What are they doing?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Well? I think they've got some of the right people
on board. Buck Obviously Susie Wiles. Susie Wiles is really
running the show for Trump. You know, I'm Susie and
I had our differences, to be honest about the RNC
chair race. I was essentially running Harmei Dellon's whip team
(31:40):
the Trump campaign. The Trump folks were behind Ron and
getting her reelected, getting her slate, trying to get them elected.
The other two lost. It is what it is. Still
a big fan of Susie's because I think what's the
important thing that people need to understand about what Trump
has done. Susie Wiles and her Florida team that ran
the absentee ballot chase program that know exactly what they're
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doing on that front, are essentially running the Trump campaign,
and so that should get people hope that the people
that know how to do the functional ballot chase voter
registration that made Florida successful. They are essentially running the
field operations and a lot of the campaign aspects of
the Trump campaign. I think one of the interesting dynamics
(32:23):
that I'm looking at in the Trump campaign, I think
he's going to be successful. I do not think there
can be a lot of big donors behind Trump. Is
going to be Trump and the small dollars donor base
against some of the donor class in the primary. I
give the nod to Donald Trump that he's going to
be able to pull it out. And I think some
of the donor class will come back to him in
the general, or they'll fund outside groups that will be
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a benefit to him. You know, I have to tell you,
I think the Trump campaign is doing everything that it
needs to do right now. They know they're the front runner,
they know that they are really that eight hundred pound
guerrilla and quite frankly, Donald Trump knows how to use
that power and that ability to go after who he
perceives to be some of his biggest opponents. And I
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think he's been extremely effective if you look at the
poll numbers. So not over yet, but you know, there
are a lot of good things that are actually happening
with the Trump campaign.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Who do we have to win in order to win
the White House in twenty twenty four that we didn't
in twenty twenty right, I mean that's where that would be.
That would be urban women if it see Okay, But
so that's interest. I talked to Ryan Grodowski about this
recently too, and I was, I like to ask the
people who know, right, because this is like when you know,
when I was in the CIA, You know, you get
(33:39):
the smartest silence you ken and room. You ask them
three of them the same question, you're gonna get three variations.
They're gonna be rooted in the reality, but three variations
of what they think are you know what they assess?
And I sit here, I'm just like, how ned does
Trump win suburban women? I mean, in all honesty, I
asked the question because I if someone put that, someone
(34:00):
told me the way way, Oh, you don't want to
know it? Ryan said, no chance, Ryan said it's totally screwed.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So well, so no, I think there's some ways. Obviously
Donald Trump is it's a hard sell to suburban white women.
I think there's a couple of things that he's going
to have to do that. He can do one. He's
gonna have to find a vice presidential candidate that appeals
to them. I'm proposing Kim Reynolds, the governor of Island.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
She's actually a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, she's actually in a lot of people have called
her the Ron DeSantis of the Midwest. I mean, some
people are going to have that perspective. She's very good.
I think that would mitigate some of that. For Trump.
I think he's going to go after some of these
issues that appeal to suburban moms. I think the transgender issue,
if I'm being honest, in women's sports and high school
women's sports can help him. So I think there's some
(34:49):
It's going to be a tough sell, Buck, I mean,
I think we've got to be realistic. It's going to
be a hard sell. So that then the question becomes,
how do you build out your voter base. How do
you get enough ballots out there to maybe overcome some
of that, Because you know it's going to be it's
going to be a hard sell in those battleground stays
of those suburban white white women. It is, we should
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be realistic about it. So how do we mitigate that?
How do we overcome it?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
What about white working class voters who came over for
Trump in twenty sixteen and may have sat out in
twenty twenty, even you know the one. I've seen some
data to suggest that they didn't necessarily go Biden, but
there were some stay homes. And look this we're speaking
very broad terms, but you know, the America First message
(35:34):
of changing the way we do trade with particularly China,
but just in general and bringing back manufacturing. You know
in Ross belt states, that really seemed to resonate. I
don't know, it doesn't seem to me that resonated the
same way in twenty twenty. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, I mean again, I haven't looked. I couldn't tell
you the numbers off the top of my head, but
I know there were a lot of people that voted
Obama in twenty twelve voted Trump in twenty sixteen in
that Upper Roust Belt. I think it comes down to
I'm sounded like a broken record.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Bucket guess, let me guess, get ballot chase and getting
the votes out and get.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
A ballot like this is the thing, Like I'm telling you,
this can be done if we can get to these
people and say I need you to request about or
the other thing too that I'm I'm also training people
on is please get it out of your head that
election day is the only aspect of election season. Here
in Virginia, we start voting six day, six weeks out,
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So you need to start voting at the beginning of
election season, not on election day, because if you really
like your candidate, you're gonna literally save them four times
the money that they're going to spend if you don't
vote early on text calls, door knocks. Yeah, it's one
of those things where the outreach was not what it
should have been. This is why I was so frustrated
about the RNC race. To be completely honest, Buck in January,
(36:58):
the RNC was miserable failed completely on the voter outreach
that it should have done, could have done. And if
some of those components are not there and you're not
as focused as you should be, this is what happens.
People that should be your voters stay home because you
haven't hit them enough times to get them to the polls.
So I have to tell you if we do not
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if we are not firing on all cylinders next year.
In regards to outreach, registration, ballot request election season. Yeah,
we're up against it. It can be done. But well,
I'm now you're really getting me frustrated about the R
and C and and those folks that are running it.
But you know, I'm going to ignore them and we're
going to do the best we can without them.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
How does I mean you've been talking about these things.
I just think it's it's it's it's interesting to hear about.
I think people are curious, Like we say, do do
ballot chase?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Like what? What?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How does this actually work? Like if I put you
in charge of getting the absentee ballot thing done in
you know, I don't know, like Wisconsin, right, that will
be an important state. How does that work? What do
you do?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So I'll use Virginia as an examples some of that
this year.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Virginia.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, but just to explain a little bit, So you
request a ballot, an absentee ballot up to twelve days
before the election, right, So what we're going to be
doing is getting people to We're going to push them
to request a ballot all the way up until the deadline.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
We know that I really I really want this, Like Stelley,
how do you put. What are you doing? You're sending
out emails? Hey, guys register for an absent yam.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, well no, we'll find We'll find the people that
have either been traditional ballot requests or people that will
will actually model that we think our potential, and we'll
mail them. We'll probably mail them a ballot absentee ballot
request form in some of the state center races we're
in to get that form into their hands. To encourage them,
you need to fill this out and send it in.
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Once they get in, the mail will probab fill up
with a peer to peer text. We'll probably fill up
with a phone call. The idea being we want to
expand our universe of ballots to get them in there,
and then once they're in the greater universe, we know
where they're at. Right, we know that somebody at this
address has a ballot, and it literally becomes a series
of harassments. Book. I mean that it's not rocket science.
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As soon as you know who's requested about where they're at,
you call them, you text them, you knock on the door.
Here in Virginia, we can actually ballot harvest. I fully
intend to, within all legal limits, be able to do that,
and we will do that. So it becomes a series
of harassments to say, we want your ballot. You have
a ballot, let's return that ballot, and let's get it
in before you know the deadline.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
So what are the like for Virginia. I know it's
different state to state, but ballot harvesting, can you just
can you have somebody you know who works for American Majority?
Can you have somebody just go to like, you know,
a big apartment.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
We're harvesting here. I'm sorry, Yeah, churches were actually harvesting here.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Really yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah. In fact, it's one of those things that I
want to have a conversation with some of these churches
and go, hey, it's legal, you can do it. We
should be doing it by all means legal where its
been decided in the state. This is a legal approach
to actually how you vote and collect ballots. We should
do everything. Yeah you can, I mean, buck, how do
you think we have the House of Representatives? And what otherwise?
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Was a absolutely complete miserable year. California Republicans and New
York Republicans decided, hey, it's legal to harvest, it's legal
to do all these things. We're going to actually do
all of that. That's in many ways why we have
the US House of Representatives, because California and New York
Republicans decided these are the rules of the game. We're
going to play the game by these rules. There you go.
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I am going to hopefully and we'll see and again,
this is what I hope to do. Get as many
churches as possible to actually ballot harvest here in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Very interesting. Well, ned, please save the country and help
us win the next election. Okay, can you work on that.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I'm trying, man, it's going to be It is going
to be hard. And I hope that enough people understand
we got a lot of hard work. It can be done.
The Republic's in the balance book, and that's why I'm
so focused on this stuff. Between now and twenty twenty four,
Let's put in the hard work. Let's see if we
got a shot at restore in the Republic, because that's
what's really at stake in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
People want to help out at American Majority, where should
they go?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Go to Americamajority dot org. That's our website. You can
request a training, you can become involved with us. They
can always follow me on Twitter at ned Ryan. They
can see some of the stuff I'm pushing out and
talking about. So Americanmajority dot org is a great place
for them to check out with all the resources and
how they can engage with us.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Ed Ryan one of the best in the business. Sir,
thank you so much for hanging out. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Thanks book
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome everybody to the Buck Sexton Show. We have our
friend Ned Ryan with us. He is the founder and
CEO of American Majority. We're gonna talk to Ned about
the state of play going into the twenty twenty four election.
How we're doing with the tactics of getting votes in
the places we need them when we need them there,
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how we're doing on the messaging battle, and just always
feeling about politics in general. Right now. We've got a
lot of things to talk to mister Ned about, sir.
Always good to see you, my friend. Tell me tell
me this, what is your biggest concern right now? I'm
not asking about a primary candidate anything else. For the
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GOP heading into the Biden reelection effort right now, trying
to oppose him. What's your biggest point of concern? What
makes you think, guys, we got to wake up here.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I think the first thing, Buck, as soon as I
saw the Biden you know, announcement for reelection. Right now,
if you were to ask me, who do I put
the odds on favorite to win reelection. It's Joe Biden
and Kamala Harris. As horrifying as that thought is that
we have Grandpa Dementia and Harpy Harris as the nominees
running for reelection right now in April of twenty twenty three,
(01:41):
I'm not I have to tell you, I would give
them the nod because I think the Democrats are far
better at collecting ballasts than Republicans are, and I think
we're kind of getting caught up a little spun up
about is that Trump is a descantis. I have to
tell you, and I'm saying this in some ways a
little bit to kind of grab people's attention. I don't
care who the nominee is. I really don't, because I
think we're getting lost in that. First of all, we
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should focus on the fact that we're going to have
an America First candidate as the Republican nominee in twenty
twenty four. Rejoice in that fact. But we had better
figure out how we become better at our ballot collecting machine.
And buck I've been hammering on this for a while.
In fact, American Majority has made it one of our
main focuses for training starting in January of this year,
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in which we are trying to communicate to the grassroots,
to candidates, to anybody that will listen, really explaining what
I think took place over the last couple election cycles
where Democrats have realized it's not really about votes, it's
not persuading people, it's about how do we collect ballots,
more ballots than they do than Republicans. And I've explained
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to the grassroots the good news is we do actually
have a model on what we should be doing in
every presidential battleground state and it's called Florida. And let
me explain a little bit about what Florida has done
very very well, especially over the last five years the
Republican Party in Florida to give people hope, but to
also highlight what we should be doing. Over the last
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five years, the Republican Party in Florida went from being
down over two hundred and fifty thousand voter registrations to
Democrats to now being up four hundred and fifty thousand.
That's a seven hundred thousand swing in five years. How
did that happen? Because they committed about two to three
million a year over the last five years and said
we're going to go and build out our voter base.
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Now we're up seven seven hundred thousand, swing up four
hundred and fifty thousand, Buck, I have to tell you,
because of some of that, I don't think Florida's a
battleground state next year. But the other aspect of what
Florida has done very well for I would say six
seven election cycles, they've actually committed to an absentee ballot
chase program over the last six weeks of the general elections,
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where they've put at least ten million in they've pursued
the one point one to one point three Republican absentee
ballots in the state to get eighty to ninety percent
return This is something that the Republican Party kind of
used to do fairly well in other states, but is
really let all off. And I think one of the
things Buck that really highlights how bad badly it has
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fallen off is Arizona in twenty twenty two, in which
just over a million absentee ballots were requested by Republicans,
only six hundred and fifty thousand were returned, or roughly
sixty five percent. If you had had eighty percent of
absentee ballots returned in Arizona, you would have won secretary
of State, you would have won the governor, you would
have won Senate, you would have won the attorney General,
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you would have won everything. And quite frankly, very definitively,
but nobody took the time to actually fund an absentee
ballid chase program in Arizona. That's why you actually lost
every statewide. And so my message right now is, don't
get caught up in the Trump DeSantis fight, in the
primary focus on the fundamentals of how we're going to
actually implement absentee ballot chase programs in Arizona, in Nevada,
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in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina. And if we don't
figure that one out, Buck, I think we're just having
kind of really nice conversations about who the nominee might be,
who will actually lose to Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Is the DNC small harder than the RNC? I mean,
is there machinery just more efficient and better functioning than ours.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The fact of the matter is, since Obama and Organizing
for America, the DNC is really just a legal kind
of functional mechanism organization in which most of the political
power on the left, on the Democrat side doesn't really
run through the DNC. They've gone and kind of branched
out into other things that have done a lot of
this absentee ballot chase program really well. In fact, someone's
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told me I have not been able to independently confirm
this book, but I've heard that outside groups in Arizona
plowed about twenty to thirty million into absentee ballot chase
programs alone in Arizona. All outside groups, right, not state party,
not the DNC, most of that being outside groups.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think great, And just I think this is I
want to learn this too, right, I mean you look
at this stuff. I think for everybody listening, it's important
we say like outside groups, right, I mean take us
into the machinery here a little bit of if you say,
the DNC is just kind of a thing that's there
almost like a figurehead for what I always refer to
as the Democrat apparatus. Where are the centers of power,
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like what actually matters for Democrats to win elections? And
I mean in terms of the electoral tactics and get
out the vote effort, you know what I mean, Like
who who's making that happen for them.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I mean, part of it is that the candidates themselves,
the campaigns themselves, have figured this out. I mean, think
about the fact book really quick. Josh Shapiro and Pennsylvania
didn't debate once in the gubernatorial race. Katie Hobbs in
Arizona didn't debate once in the Arizona gubernatorial race. Why
is that? Because Democrats have figured out it's really not
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about persuasion. It's not about persuading people to vote for you.
It's about understanding, have we seeded the field with enough
absentee ballots, with enough ballot requests for us to go
out and be able to collect them. And what they've done,
Buck is they have gone in and they've gotten a
lot of their low propensity voters. And just so people
who are listening to understand, most times you rank voters
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one out of four, one out of four being a
presidential general only election type voter, four out of four
being they show up at every primary, they vote in
spring elections, they vote in the general. What Democrats have
done very very well on the left is they've gone
out and they've realized we need to get our low
propensity voters to actually request a ballot, so then we
know we've actually pushed out a ton of ballots into
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the universe. Then we know where they're at, and we're
now going to collect all of those ballots. Because we
know this person has a ballot, we're going to harass
them either through phone calls, peer to peer text, door
knocks to get them to return that ballot. We as Republicans,
have not done that. In Florida. We've done it fairly well.
We've done kind of the push. We've pushed people to
get ballots, and then we've pulled them in, we've chased them.
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We had better figure out those strategies pretty quick. And
I have to tell you I just do not see
the R and C having First of all, I'm going
to be pretty rude here, the basic and intelligence, the desire,
the willingness and ability to actually do a robust absentee
ballot chase and call it five to six presidential battleground states.
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So I think it's incumbent upon outside groups and obviously
American Majority Action are C four is working with some
groups to say, regardless of what the RNC figures out,
regardless of what a presidential campaign might figure out, or
a state GOP. We have to make sure we facilitate
maybe three four five presidential battleground state absentee ballot chase
programs in a very robust way. And I've told the
(08:42):
other folks that are involved it has to probably start
at ten million over the last four to six weeks
whenever the ballots drop in a specific state.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Now, is it fair to say that you know, you work,
you know, as cee of American Majority, you're doing the
the ground pounding work of elections for the for Republicans,
the GOP, Conservatism, et cetera. Are you completely to write?
Are you out gunned at least just by the sheer
(09:13):
number and financing of the other side? I couldn't even care. Yeah,
I had a feeling like, give me a sense of
that scale. It just feels like everywhere I look, there's
another organization that's doing the bidding of the left. And
not all of them are fun to buy sorrows. Obviously
a lot of them are. And I wonder like, where
did all this come from?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, I have to tell you, in fact, my new
op ed for American Greatness, where I write them, is
probably going to be a little brutal on think tanks.
I think that I think the right needs to really
examine what they're doing with a lot of their nonprofit money.
The left has been very sophisticated with how they spend
the C three and C four money. This is a dynamic.
(09:53):
I think we need to look at where the left
is fixated on doing everything they can to achieve political power.
They have this obsession and lust with political power. We
on the right are wandering about. I'm even saying Connik
fiddles while the Republic burns, that we're spending so much
money on think tanks and white papers that we need
to start focusing on, you know, two to three million
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a year in voter registration to these states battleground states,
and we need to figure out how we're doing no
less than ten million into absentee ball chase. The left
is far more sophisticated than we are right now and
how they spend their nonprofit money. And again, if you
want to talk about, yeah we outgunned, are we overwhelmed? Again?
I don't know how they did this legally, but Mark
(10:36):
Zuckerberg with Center for Tech and Civic Life dropping in
four hundred plus million into presidential battleground states into blue
counties to boost the blue vote. I mean, that's just
one example. It's obviously a significant one. But you realize
the left is plowing a lot of money into these
outside groups to be used in a very effective way,
and whether if it's not voter registration, if it's not
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some of this other stuff. They're doing law fair, they're
doing investigative journalism, they're doing Floyer request, they're doing a
lot of different things to throw sand into the gears
of anybody on the right that might be trying to
do effective work. So we got to figure out how
we use our nonprofit money much much better, and until
we do, we're going to be outgunned, and sadly, Buck
I think outgunned pretty significantly.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
So just I think that's such an important point about
the about the zucker Bucks issue. You know, people will
refer to this, Well, what actually happened there? I know
it is four hundred million dollars, and I know it
was to help Democrats. But so they're able to use
tax advantage dollars, right, I assume these are this is
these are tax advantage, tax deductible dollars that I know Zuckerberg.
(11:41):
You know, it's got so much money, he doesn't care,
but still to pick and choose, like we're just doing
a Basically, if you just chose to do a get
out the vote effort in the city of Philadelphia, well
guess what you're gonna help Pennsylvania. You go pretty blue, right,
And that's so they're able to keep it nonpartisan. So
it's tax advantage, but it's really not non partisan because
(12:03):
you're where you're harvesting the votes are Democrats stronghold, right,
Is that basically the formula? Like, how did it work?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah? Well it really was. And Center for Tech and
Civic Life was actually being run by some alumni from
the New Organizing Institute who quite frankly I always admired
for their pretty highly skilled tactics and strategy, and they
started Center for techan Civic Life and persuaded Zuckerberg to
do this. I mean, it's not rocket science book. You
know that there's certain places, like you just said, I
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they're heavily urban areas, the odds are it's going to
vote a certain way. Hey, let's go in and maybe
put ten dollars per voter into that county or that
area versus maybe a dollar for a red county. And
we're just going to help facilitate the vote, put some
drop boxes in. But it got to the point, like
in Green Bay where Center for Tech and Civic Life
(12:53):
essentially took over the machinery, the local machinery for how
elections were conducted. They went in and were extremely aggressive
and actually said, this is how the elections are going
to be conducted if you're going to take our grant
money and we're actually going to facilitate how it operates.
I still stunned. Again, not stunned, Buck, because I know
a lot of the machinery of this vast bureaucracy, whether
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it's at state, local, or even the federal level, they're
not on our side. But it is pretty staggering that
we've a lot We allowed a billionaire to go in
and through a nonprofit, essentially take over the election process
and that that entire process in these battleground states, and
nobody said, hey, do we have a conversation about this
on a serious level, And we're just kind of like, Eh,
(13:37):
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I want to ask you.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I'm telling you what I'm telling you right now. To
their credit, a lot of Republican legislators have outlawed zuck
Bucks where they have the political power to power to
do so. But I'm telling you, Buck, the left is
never asleep. They're never going to stop and go out. Well,
you beat us on that one. I guess we just
have to take a break. I've made this point on
a on Lord Ingram show. But look at what they're
(14:01):
doing in Minnesota. They've done motor voter laws, they're now
pre registering sixteen and seventeen year olds, and they're also
proposing pop up polling locations. And the easiest way to
explain that is, you know, someone in accounting can request, hey,
we'd like to have a pop up polling location in
an advantageous place for us, say a rustome or college campus.
Think of it as a drop box on steroids. I mean,
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the left is always aggressively trying to pursue how do
we get political power and then how do we hold
onto it? And we on the right, a lot of
people are just wandering about, you know, having black tie
affairs and popping off fireworks over the Potomac to celebrate
their existence, but not achievement.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's a little discouraging and unfortunately, if we're going to
talk about Joe Biden here in a second, and we'll
be faced with him. I don't think I don't think
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I think sometimes this makes people, uh, and even in
some of my beloved audience frustrated with me because I
end up having to tell them, Yeah, Joe Biden is
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a clown. He was not smart even forty years ago.
And you would go on all the list. There's aviators
to cover up his face so that people don't realize
he's so vacant and old and decrepit in the whole thing. Right,
this is I point all this stuff. I get it.
He's probably going to win unless we figure out a
few things. And this is what I try to tell everybody.
Democrats don't care. They don't care that he is a
(16:27):
decrepit buffoon, and he's quasi snile, if not fully seenile. Right,
he's the brand and their brand apparatus is very powerful,
and they're going to run. Democracy is going to die
if the Republican probably Trump ends up being the nominee
on our side and that may swing enough independence. Who
are just did you see the Paul that said they're
all exhausted by the way, That's the biggest thing that
(16:49):
people are thinking about now that there's exhaustion. Exhaustion not
good for our side.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
No, no, no, I you know, I'm kind of looking
at what I'm doing right now, eighteen months out from
the general elections in November of twenty twenty four, of
kind of ringing the bell a little bit and going,
you think that we're up against you know, Grandpa to me,
Harvey Harris. These guys are idiots, they are. But again,
(17:15):
understand what's taking place. It's not even about Biden and
Kamala Harris and all of their supposed, you know, attributes,
which are very limited on so many different levels. It's
about them being used as vehicles to achieve and to
retain political power. So quite frankly, you know, we do
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not be distracted by that and think, well, there's no
way we can lose to these chumps. Yes, you can,
because they are focused on the machinery and the functional
aspects that we just discussed of. We're going to collect
more ballast than the other guys, and we're going to
invest enough money to do so. But the other thing too, Buck.
I'm working on a new book, hopefully it's going to
come out this year, but it's called American Leviathan, and
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it really is about the administrative state. But understand that
we're up against not only the Democratic Party, the left,
the corporate propagandists. We are up against the administrative state,
and they want to see somebody that's an ally to
the administrative state wins. So we're up against very powerful forces.
We should not underestimate that. That should hopefully sober us
(18:19):
up a bit and hopefully focus us on what we
should be doing over the next eighteen months, because it's
going to be a battle royale. If you think that
somehow administrative actors state actors are going to simply go, oh, yeah,
you know, Joe Biden's all washed up. I guess we're
just going to have to watch Donald Trump take the
White House back. No, they view him as an existential threat.
(18:41):
They view him as it's such an incredible threat to
the premise that the administrative state is legitimate. They're going
to do everything that they can to make sure that
Joe Biden is able to waltz back into the White
House so that they can actually continue doing the actual
real governing of this country and use Joe Biden as
kind of a front man.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Do you think that the plan is to push Biden
through with every trick in the book in twenty twenty
four and then at some point have Kamala take over
and therefore he gets to be Kamala gets to be
the first black female vice president. Obviously, this will be
the Democrat Party touting or the massive achievement they're in
without ever facing voters.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I think I don't think he's gonna be able to
get away with as much as he did in twenty
twenty and the COVID era, where he could stay in
the basement and have the corporate propagandas essentially run his
campaign for him and do all the messaging for him.
I think they're gonna do that again, though. I think
they're going to use that playbook again. You know, I
think the whole Russian disinformation, you know, Hunter Biden laptop,
(19:48):
you know, ploy they'll price try and pull that one
out again and do something along those lines. Yeah, I
think there's gonna be a whole host of things. We've
seen them pull out their playbook before. I think they're
going to use a lot of those same tricks. And
I think the corporate propagandas are going to be on
steroids next year to try and and make sure that
Donald Trump or whoever the nominee is does not take
the White House back, because I don't know if you
(20:10):
guys have noticed, Donald Trump is making it very clear recently,
even you know the schedule f I'm going to go in,
I'm going to reclassify some of these government employees, thousands
of them, and then I'm going to fire them. He's
making it very clear he plans to go to war
with the administrative state. They know that they view him
as an existential threat. So whatever confidence you might feel
(20:30):
and running against Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, please don't be overconfident.
I feel like I was over confident last year in
twenty twenty two. I'm never going to make that same mistake.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Again, I feel. Just to be fair, I feel exactly
the same way I thought, how is it possible? What
a disaster. Biden is and the Democrats are so insane
that any well, go look at what college educated voters
in particular data in places like Arizona and Nevada in
Pennsylvania and what they said in the polling, which is
just you know, threat to democracy. You know, they believe
(21:02):
some of the you know, pro abortion propaganda and they
don't like Trump and end of story. Right, and you
sit here, you go, WHOA, what about crime in cities?
What about a wide open border? What about anation?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Eah? Yeah, no, they're very good to propagate the thing though.
And I don't want to be too much of a
Debbie downer for your listeners, Like I want them to
have some hope.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I know you're usually a happy guy, by the way,
Like you're a pretty your an upbeat, you know, optimistic guy. Yeah,
but keep going.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I so just say, you know, there's one hundred and
forty four thousand more registered Republicans in Arizona than Democrats.
You should be able to win that in twenty twenty
four if you do the right things. You know, even
in Minnesota, I was just up there training trained a
couple hundred people on apps absentee ballot chase ballot out,
ballot in. And I made the point, if you guys
had actually been able to do something like this last
(21:50):
fall in a state like Minnesota and collected just about
twenty two thousand rule absentee ballots that we knew we're
all going to go break for a Republican, you would
have won the state auditors race, and you would have
beaten Keith Ellison in the Attorney General's race. The numbers
are there. It can be done. So I want to
give people hope and knowing, hey, if you do the
right things, we could we actually have some pretty good
(22:11):
victories next year. But simply hoping, simply wishing for that
is not going to actually get it done. We're going
to have to be seriously focused on and this is
what I'm doing, raising money to make sure that we're
doing the voter registration, working on doing absentee ballot chase.
It's going to take a lot of hard work and
a lot of people are going to have to actually
buy into that philosophy on our site. And the good
(22:33):
news is buck wherever I've gone out and trained on
this this year, i'd say ninety nine percent of people
agreeing saying we need to do this. We're going to
commit to it, and we're going to do everything that
we can to make sure this happens in our state.
So I'm optimistic if we do the right things, we
can win. But there's a lot of ground, a lot
of things that need to be done between April and
(22:54):
twenty twenty three and actually achieving that next fall in
twenty twenty four. So we got a lot of work
to do, but it can be.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Done and need When we come back, can I ask
you to tell everybody about your Virginian You've been on
the forefront of some of the political battles there, including
some of the school issues. Glenn Youngkin, I haven't heard
much in a while. I want a full I want
a full NED report card on Youngkin. And also I
want a NED report card on how the Trump campaign,
(23:23):
the campaign not really Trump is doing so I mean,
I know it's all tied together, but it's doing so far.
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All right, let's let's start with young kin. You know
I was all excited. I was on the for Virginians.
I was certainly given high fives for Youngkins, big, big
win and we needed a little bit of a boost
at for twenty twenty And how's he done, ned, I mean,
(24:50):
And by the way, is he a possible presidential contender.
I haven't heard anything about that.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I don't think he's gonna run in twenty twenty four.
I think he's pretty realistic that right now you've got
two heavyweights. I would argue one super heavyweight with Trump
and another heavyweight with DeSantis, and the polls reflect that
quite frankly, Youngkin's been doing a really good job in
here Virginia, especially considering he doesn't have the state Senate.
(25:17):
He's got the House of Delegates fifty two to forty
eight majority, he doesn't have the state Senate. But he's
been able to achieve some good things on a host
of fronts, and he's he and Jason Millais and win
some series have been doing his best they can without
having the full political power needed to achieve some of
these policy goals. But Glenn Youngkin right now, and I
think part of this might be part of the reason
(25:38):
buck that he's kind of foregoing a presidential I want
to remind people this year in Virginia, we have every
state Senate race, and we have every House of Delegate race,
And if Glenn Youngkin wants to be able to have
that last year of his governorship to achieve some policy things,
he's going to actually need to have the state Senate
and it's going to be a battle Royale. The maps
(26:01):
are going to be really tough buck for us to
get to a twenty twenty tie right now it's twenty
one to nineteen, actually twenty two eighteen. For us to
get to a twenty two tie for Winston to have
the tie breaking vote is going to be an incredible
achievements can be very hard, So I think Glenn's focused
on that. We're going to be focused as well on
maybe adding a seat or two to the House of
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Delegates majority. But if you were to ask me, and
I haven't talked to him, I don't really have that
connection with Youngkin, But if if I were to guess,
I would say he's going to be putting a lot
of time and resources into trying to get keep the
majority in the House of Delegates, hopefully get to at
least a twenty twenty tie in the state Senate so
he can have one year to really achieve some of
these policy goals that he really wants to achieve.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
So so far, I mean it sounds to me like
I don't want to put words in your mouth. What's
the letter grade?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Oh, I would say, given what he's been able to do,
there's been a couple maybe I would quibble with. I'd
give him a solid A minus.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I was going to say, it sounds a minus or
B plus territory that's good.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say, for somebody
who was in what is most assuredly a purple state,
he's he's been doing a really good job on what
he has the ability to do. Let's put it that way.
So I think Glenn Youngkin has a future in Republican politics.
I don't think it's twenty twenty four, but maybe it's.
(27:26):
Maybe it's after that.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Is Virginia in play for Republican in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Maybe? And the reason I say that buck is a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I could say maybe, but you keep going.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, I mean, think about it, Glenn Younkin. Really, I mean,
he had Terry mcculluff throw them all kinds of gifts
coming down the home stretch. A lot of people really
woke up those last thirty forty days and said we
can win Virginia young can only win by what about
two points, So even then we kind of caught them
by surprise. I think there's going to be like kind
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of goes back to and I don't want to sound
like a broken record. If the work is done to
actually do voter registration and absentee ballot chase in Virginia,
which is a little harder than some other states because
we don't register by party in Virginia. If we do
those things, I have every reason to believe that we
can make Virginia really competitive in twenty twenty four. But
(28:23):
it's are we going to invest the time and money
into the functional aspects that will make it.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It sounds like the Virginia GOP, then is it is
in a maybe better than average place, because like the Penncil,
from what I understand from my Pennsylvania friends, for example,
the Democrat the Democrat machine in Pennsylvania is just kicking
the ass of the Republican machine in Pennsylvania in every
(28:48):
possible way, have them outplay and outfunded, outthought. And I'm like, guys,
it's kind of a big deal. Right, this isn't This
isn't like Rhode Island. You know, this is Pennsylvania. It's
an important battleground state. Virginia is in a little better
like how would you gauge that?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah? Does sound like really? I mean yes, because of
Glenn Youngkin, But you have to understand most state parties
are have no funding, they have no ability to actually
perform a lot of these things. I mean, I would
say I'm a fan of the Virginia GOP folks. I
(29:26):
think they're doing the best they can considering their limited finances.
But this is of some concern. If we're not going
to have really strong state gops, we better figure out
outside groups that are going to be very robustly funded
to be able to do some of those functions. So, yeah,
I think it's I think it's doing fine. I would
give it definitely not as good a great as Glenn Youngkin,
(29:48):
but it's hanging in there. It's just it's a very
hard job. Look to run a state GOP in many
parts thanks to McCain, fine gold, but it's just it's
really hard to do and do it effectively. And I
would argue probably of the fifty state gops there's maybe
ten that are actually well enough funded to do effective work. Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
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at this early stage. How's it looking? Who's doing what?
What do they need to change? What are they doing?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Well? I think they've got some of the right people
on board. Buck Obviously Susie Wiles. Susie Wiles is really
running the show for Trump. You know, I'm Susie and
I had our differences, to be honest about the RNC
chair race. I was essentially running Harmei Dellon's whip team
(31:40):
the Trump campaign. The Trump folks were behind Ron and
getting her reelected, getting her slate, trying to get them elected.
The other two lost. It is what it is. Still
a big fan of Susie's because I think what's the
important thing that people need to understand about what Trump
has done. Susie Wiles and her Florida team that ran
the absentee ballot chase program that know exactly what they're
(32:02):
doing on that front, are essentially running the Trump campaign,
and so that should get people hope that the people
that know how to do the functional ballot chase voter
registration that made Florida successful. They are essentially running the
field operations and a lot of the campaign aspects of
the Trump campaign. I think one of the interesting dynamics
(32:23):
that I'm looking at in the Trump campaign, I think
he's going to be successful. I do not think there
can be a lot of big donors behind Trump. Is
going to be Trump and the small dollars donor base
against some of the donor class in the primary. I
give the nod to Donald Trump that he's going to
be able to pull it out. And I think some
of the donor class will come back to him in
the general, or they'll fund outside groups that will be
(32:45):
a benefit to him. You know, I have to tell you,
I think the Trump campaign is doing everything that it
needs to do right now. They know they're the front runner,
they know that they are really that eight hundred pound
guerrilla and quite frankly, Donald Trump knows how to use
that power and that ability to go after who he
perceives to be some of his biggest opponents. And I
(33:06):
think he's been extremely effective if you look at the
poll numbers. So not over yet, but you know, there
are a lot of good things that are actually happening
with the Trump campaign.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Who do we have to win in order to win
the White House in twenty twenty four that we didn't
in twenty twenty right, I mean that's where that would be.
That would be urban women if it see Okay, But
so that's interest. I talked to Ryan Grodowski about this
recently too, and I was, I like to ask the
people who know, right, because this is like when you know,
when I was in the CIA, You know, you get
(33:39):
the smartest silence you ken and room. You ask them
three of them the same question, you're gonna get three variations.
They're gonna be rooted in the reality, but three variations
of what they think are you know what they assess?
And I sit here, I'm just like, how ned does
Trump win suburban women? I mean, in all honesty, I
asked the question because I if someone put that, someone
(34:00):
told me the way way, Oh, you don't want to
know it? Ryan said, no chance, Ryan said it's totally screwed.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So well, so no, I think there's some ways. Obviously
Donald Trump is it's a hard sell to suburban white women.
I think there's a couple of things that he's going
to have to do that. He can do one. He's
gonna have to find a vice presidential candidate that appeals
to them. I'm proposing Kim Reynolds, the governor of Island.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
She's actually a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, she's actually in a lot of people have called
her the Ron DeSantis of the Midwest. I mean, some
people are going to have that perspective. She's very good.
I think that would mitigate some of that. For Trump.
I think he's going to go after some of these
issues that appeal to suburban moms. I think the transgender issue,
if I'm being honest, in women's sports and high school
women's sports can help him. So I think there's some
(34:49):
It's going to be a tough sell, Buck, I mean,
I think we've got to be realistic. It's going to
be a hard sell. So that then the question becomes,
how do you build out your voter base. How do
you get enough ballots out there to maybe overcome some
of that, Because you know it's going to be it's
going to be a hard sell in those battleground stays
of those suburban white white women. It is, we should
(35:10):
be realistic about it. So how do we mitigate that?
How do we overcome it?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
What about white working class voters who came over for
Trump in twenty sixteen and may have sat out in
twenty twenty, even you know the one. I've seen some
data to suggest that they didn't necessarily go Biden, but
there were some stay homes. And look this we're speaking
very broad terms, but you know, the America First message
(35:34):
of changing the way we do trade with particularly China,
but just in general and bringing back manufacturing. You know
in Ross belt states, that really seemed to resonate. I
don't know, it doesn't seem to me that resonated the
same way in twenty twenty. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, I mean again, I haven't looked. I couldn't tell
you the numbers off the top of my head, but
I know there were a lot of people that voted
Obama in twenty twelve voted Trump in twenty sixteen in
that Upper Roust Belt. I think it comes down to
I'm sounded like a broken record.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Bucket guess, let me guess, get ballot chase and getting
the votes out and get.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
A ballot like this is the thing, Like I'm telling you,
this can be done if we can get to these
people and say I need you to request about or
the other thing too that I'm I'm also training people
on is please get it out of your head that
election day is the only aspect of election season. Here
in Virginia, we start voting six day, six weeks out,
(36:35):
So you need to start voting at the beginning of
election season, not on election day, because if you really
like your candidate, you're gonna literally save them four times
the money that they're going to spend if you don't
vote early on text calls, door knocks. Yeah, it's one
of those things where the outreach was not what it
should have been. This is why I was so frustrated
about the RNC race. To be completely honest, Buck in January,
(36:58):
the RNC was miserable failed completely on the voter outreach
that it should have done, could have done. And if
some of those components are not there and you're not
as focused as you should be, this is what happens.
People that should be your voters stay home because you
haven't hit them enough times to get them to the polls.
So I have to tell you if we do not
(37:20):
if we are not firing on all cylinders next year.
In regards to outreach, registration, ballot request election season. Yeah,
we're up against it. It can be done. But well,
I'm now you're really getting me frustrated about the R
and C and and those folks that are running it.
But you know, I'm going to ignore them and we're
going to do the best we can without them.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
How does I mean you've been talking about these things.
I just think it's it's it's it's interesting to hear about.
I think people are curious, Like we say, do do
ballot chase?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Like what? What?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How does this actually work? Like if I put you
in charge of getting the absentee ballot thing done in
you know, I don't know, like Wisconsin, right, that will
be an important state. How does that work? What do
you do?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So I'll use Virginia as an examples some of that
this year.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Virginia.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, but just to explain a little bit, So you
request a ballot, an absentee ballot up to twelve days
before the election, right, So what we're going to be
doing is getting people to We're going to push them
to request a ballot all the way up until the deadline.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
We know that I really I really want this, Like Stelley,
how do you put. What are you doing? You're sending
out emails? Hey, guys register for an absent yam.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, well no, we'll find We'll find the people that
have either been traditional ballot requests or people that will
will actually model that we think our potential, and we'll
mail them. We'll probably mail them a ballot absentee ballot
request form in some of the state center races we're
in to get that form into their hands. To encourage them,
you need to fill this out and send it in.
(38:50):
Once they get in, the mail will probab fill up
with a peer to peer text. We'll probably fill up
with a phone call. The idea being we want to
expand our universe of ballots to get them in there,
and then once they're in the greater universe, we know
where they're at. Right, we know that somebody at this
address has a ballot, and it literally becomes a series
of harassments. Book. I mean that it's not rocket science.
(39:11):
As soon as you know who's requested about where they're at,
you call them, you text them, you knock on the door.
Here in Virginia, we can actually ballot harvest. I fully
intend to, within all legal limits, be able to do that,
and we will do that. So it becomes a series
of harassments to say, we want your ballot. You have
a ballot, let's return that ballot, and let's get it
in before you know the deadline.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
So what are the like for Virginia. I know it's
different state to state, but ballot harvesting, can you just
can you have somebody you know who works for American Majority?
Can you have somebody just go to like, you know,
a big apartment.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
We're harvesting here. I'm sorry, Yeah, churches were actually harvesting here.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Really yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah. In fact, it's one of those things that I
want to have a conversation with some of these churches
and go, hey, it's legal, you can do it. We
should be doing it by all means legal where its
been decided in the state. This is a legal approach
to actually how you vote and collect ballots. We should
do everything. Yeah you can, I mean, buck, how do
you think we have the House of Representatives? And what otherwise?
(40:16):
Was a absolutely complete miserable year. California Republicans and New
York Republicans decided, hey, it's legal to harvest, it's legal
to do all these things. We're going to actually do
all of that. That's in many ways why we have
the US House of Representatives, because California and New York
Republicans decided these are the rules of the game. We're
going to play the game by these rules. There you go.
(40:37):
I am going to hopefully and we'll see and again,
this is what I hope to do. Get as many
churches as possible to actually ballot harvest here in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Very interesting. Well, ned, please save the country and help
us win the next election. Okay, can you work on that.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I'm trying, man, it's going to be It is going
to be hard. And I hope that enough people understand
we got a lot of hard work. It can be done.
The Republic's in the balance book, and that's why I'm
so focused on this stuff. Between now and twenty twenty four,
Let's put in the hard work. Let's see if we
got a shot at restore in the Republic, because that's
what's really at stake in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
People want to help out at American Majority, where should
they go?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Go to Americamajority dot org. That's our website. You can
request a training, you can become involved with us. They
can always follow me on Twitter at ned Ryan. They
can see some of the stuff I'm pushing out and
talking about. So Americanmajority dot org is a great place
for them to check out with all the resources and
how they can engage with us.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Ed Ryan one of the best in the business. Sir,
thank you so much for hanging out. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Thanks book
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