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Speaker 1 (00:02):
And welcome to Bucks Line. Matt McCoy along with our
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game on Saturday at Wisconsin is a three thirty kickets
on Channel ten. That means we'll be on at one
o'clock with our best Buckeye coverage pregame show. The Buckeyes
coming off a convincing win thirty four to sixteen at
Illinois and getting ready for their third road game out
of four. And Ryan Da talked this week that Bill
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he feels like, you know, in a stretch like this
where you play three out of four on the road,
you got to maintain your focus and all those coaching cliches,
but he said they're important, like you you know, have
to maintain that focus and discipline, not look ahead, not
you know, get bothered by the environments and everything. And
he said, so far, so good, but let's see how
we do Saturday and Wisconsin's really really struggling. I mean,
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the home field may be a detriment to them if
they fall behind, because the fans Bubergs will come out quick,
are restless. Exactly what are you expecting Saturday?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, you know that's always been a tough place to
play because the crowd really gets in to and stuff.
But man, I'm with you, if anything goes bad early
for Luke, they'll be awful to him. I just they've
had so many injuries and some key positions to their
offensive line. The defensive backfield has been hurt, the quarterbacks
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been dinged up, they don't have as many weapons as
they used to, and they're just not playing good. They've
only scored over seventeen points one time, now's against an
FCS team, and they got shut out last week by Iowa. Yeah,
it goes to proof that Kirk France is definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Got to be coach of the year. I mean, soied doubt.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
They scored thirty seven points. I mean that's more than
they scoring a season.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, But I'll tell you what Luke.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I feel, Jeff. I mean, I I really like Luke Fickel.
I like covering him as a player. That shows how
old I am liked him when he was an assistant
here twenty eleven, he got thrown in an awful situation. Uh,
and I know people six and seven, he didn't. He
didn't do a terrible job. If you remember that year,
kept us chin up. They were in every game, they
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just were losing them. Coach Meyer kept him, helped us
Ohio State win a national championship in twenty fourteen as
defensive coordinator. Went the UC did well. Obviously, it's not
going well at Wisconsin and in this day and age, Jeff,
where guys are getting fired eight mid season firing so far,
you worry that if it gets ugly on Saturday, if
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he'll have a job next week.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, I think if you look at their schedule and
they haven't done anything yet, it's us and then they
go to Oregon and then they get a bye. If
they're going to make a decision, it's going to be
after the Oregon game to the bye week. In my opinion,
you're not going to take an interim coach and put
him in his first gig on the road to Oregon.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That would be cool and unusual punishment, I think.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Really, you know, it's a really good point.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
They started out the season with the ninth worst or
most difficult schedule in all of college football, and today
they have the second hardest for the balance of the season.
So there's been no favors there, and the injury bug
has been awful for them up there. And I believe
this is probably an understatement. I mean, these guys are
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coaching for their I hate to say their lives because
I don't mean it that way, but they're families there,
and and the the the extended family of assistant coaches
and other people support staff that are not making six
eight million dollars a year. But when you look at
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that staff and you take into account that Mike Tressel
is the defensive coordinator, Kenny Geiton, yeah, the quarterbacks coach,
Paul Haynes is the cornerbacks coach, and Tough Borland as
an assistant coach in linebackers.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
It's Ohio State two point zero.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It is right, I mean, and and so is this
game special to the Are they coaching for their families?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't want to use lives.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Are they coaching for their families because this is a
game that would have the same kind of repercussions. Should
they win, all right, and we all you got to
do is look at the UCLA Penn State game, a
home game for UCLA, right, and they did the unthinkable.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
They beat Penn State.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Could Wisconsin mount that same battle because Ucla was awful?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, I know they want game. There was no indication
coach was already gone. It was. They were twenty five
point under dollar.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
There's as good a chance here for Wisconsin to do
what they did as it was for UCLA to do
what they did against Penn State. The spread's about the
same twenty five points, and there cannot have There could
not have been more emphasis and preparation throughout this week
for the Wisconsin football team than it would have been
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for any other game other than this one.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You can tell you all you want.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
About the Iowa game being a rivalry game. That's a
bunch of crap, all right, This game because of what's
going on?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Is it for the families?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, you know, Luke's got his son on the staff,
Landon Fickles, one of the football staff.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
They're coaching for their families, guys, Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And you know the difference is Penn State's loss came
after a devastating losss, so they never did recover from
names game. And you get a team like this that
traditionally is a physical football team. They love to come
at you. You're right, their backs are against the wall,
so they'll do one of two things. Expect to get
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their best shot, or they're going to fold your tent. Yes,
because their backs are against the wall for shot.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And that's what you wonder about the Iowa game. Did
they fold their tents in that game?
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
You know, I watched the beginning of that, and you
know their first score comes on a pick six, the
only way Iowa can put points in the end zones
with the defense, right, Yeah, And I think everybody was
shocked to see a thirty seven to nothing. And I
guess that's the first time at home that they have
been shut out since like nineteen forty one. I mean,
it is goes way back to whenever that Wisconsin's ever
been shut out of their own building.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
So it's it's not good.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
They're in the middle of the completion of a new
indoor football excellence facility up there too, a three hundred
million dollar investment that is being made that I think
Luke had a lot to do with getting that they
kicked off. I'm coming up here from Cincinnati, but you're
gonna have to invest in facilities, and.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So he may never see the light of day.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
This thing is supposed to open in twenty twenty seven,
and I don't know that Luke will get to the
point where they'll ever get get a chance to use it.
But you know they're spending they're spending three hundred million
dollars on improving their indoor facility to make it comparable
to what's going on in the rest of the Big
Ten Conference.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
They have a tremendous when they have it humming and
a reputation of a tremendous home field advantage, you know,
the jump around, the fans really get into and everything.
But if you look at them like they again they're
struggling across the board, but they've almost played better on
the road. Like they went to Michigan and that was
a competitive game. I mean, they scored first and ended
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up being twenty four to ten. They lost. Look, they
got clobbered by Alabama at Alabama, but it was thirty
eight to fourteen. It wasn't like sixty three to nothing
or something like that. But they lost at home to
me Maryland twenty seven to ten, and then last week
thirty seven and nothing. So that's what I mean about, Like,
if Ohio State scores early, it's so toxic and the
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fire fickle chants and everything like that, I think it
makes it harder for those kids sure to stay. If
they can get somehow jeff off to a good start
and get the fans behind them, then you know, maybe
it can be competitive. But if Ohio State goes down
in scores on the first drive, you know what it's
going to be like, you know, And that's that for
the players and the coaches. It turns the home field
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advantage into a home field disadvantage.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
You no question about it.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
If I had to asked you the question, guys about
since twenty ten, all right, who is O High State
of Michigan lead the Big Ten in Big Ten wins?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
All right?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
O High State number one, Michigan number two.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Who you think the number three team is in that
fifteen year period of time in Big Ten Conference game wins?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I'm guessing it's Wisconsin because it's Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It seems that way, right, Yes, you would think maybe
Penn State, Yeah, you would.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It's Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Penn State loses all the big games, yes.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But think about that, all in the Big Ten in
the last fifteen years. This is a program that has
won sixty five percent of its Big Ten games, and
that's pretty darn good in this conference.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The difference I see in this team then Wisconsin teams
from the past, you know, all always play physical stuff.
But their offense was always able to keep drives going.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yes, because they.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Had that running back and that offensive end and a
tight end.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
They would boot out and do that stuff, just dink
you to death, moving the ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And defensively, I don't know that they're in my memory
a more physical team. Yes, that you played against.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I mean brothers, and yeah they were.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
They were all really really good on defense, and you
know they we still have some key players over there though.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
They've got some draft guys.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
The edge rusher's pretty good, ye, you know, they've got
a defensive lineman I think that also, or a corner
that might be pretty good. But the fact of the
matter is you look at the quarterback spot, and that's
where it's kind of concentrating my views. Because they brought
in three transfer quarterbacks a total of twenty two transfer
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people coming in new this year, so Luke was trying
to shore up the holes in the boat. But they
brought in three three of those transfer quarterbacks, you know,
one from Maryland, one from San Diego State, and one
from Southern Illinois. The first two got beat up, and
now you got the guy from Southern Illinois who was
only good enough to start four games when he was
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a Saluki.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
My goodness.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, and you know, offensively there are there towards the
bottom of the conference and everything, I mean, scoring points,
you know, not doing good at all. They von't lose THESS.
They've only been in the red zone twelve times. Twelve times,
we've been at thirty one. They can't get the ball
down the field. They've thrown eight interceptions, Yeah, eight, And
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I said they're minus six in a turnover margin.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah, that's that's awful.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And you know the one thing that in Ohio State
was right on the bubble going into last week's game,
where we were I think plus one in the turnover margin.
We get three turnovers in that game and turn all
three of them into touchdowns. Guys, yep, you talk about
maximizing your opportunities on the road in an environment head
you flip the switch on the other you know you don't.
You don't get those picks. You don't get the strip sack.
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We got a gift from the punter that took a knee,
which that's the same as a turnover. He should have,
he absolutely should have. But you know, we turned each
one of those takeaways into into points, touchdown points on
the board, and that's what you have to do on
the road. And I think that if the turnover thing
comes up in the Wisconsin game. You know, somebody was
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asking me the question today, do you think Ryan Day
would take his foot off the gas even earlier this
week in respect for Luke, And I'm sitting here telling you,
you know, he's not going to pile it on intentionally
be throwing in the fourth quarter if they're up sixty
one to nothing. But there is not a chance in
the world you could expect that, coach, and I don't
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think Luke Fickle would expect him to line up in
the victory formation at the end of the game.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That's an embarrassment. Yes, yeah, they only have scored Wisconsin
three offensive touchdowns since September sixth, like they scored fourteen
points against Alabama, but seven were on a kickoff return.
So they had one offensive touchdown in that game, one
against Michigan and one against Maryland. So and they're going
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against Ohio State's defense. So I just you know, it
has all the ear marks. But Jeff, you made an
excellent point earlier that the UCLA Penn State, oh Penn
State's coming off a loss. They're gonna be ticked off.
They're gonna go there twenty four points. It's not enough.
Most of the money is on Penn State, like and
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weird things happen. I I would be floored if this
is closed. I really would be. But I imagine that is
a message that you have to deliver if you're right.
You've got to do is look around.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
There's documentable you know, double digit games where weird things
have happened in games like this, and so you've got
to do what he talked about in that you know,
at the beginning of the game, finish your drives right,
whether it's an offensive or a defensive drive, get a
three and out, get good field position, take it down
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and score, or get the ball, take it down and score.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
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Speaker 2 (14:07):
A Notre Dame only tough team. They got left organ
out there.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You can be part of the show by tweeting at me.
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getting to email me at Matt McCoy at iHeartMedia dot
com from Twitter. Do you think if Luke is fired,
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would he ever be a candidate to come back to
the Ohio State coaching staff in some capacity? As from
James where I know, well, we got one hundred and
fifty thousand consultants. He can on fifty one, you know,
I mean, I know what you're saying, but you know,
if if somebody leaves, I mean I don't know, I
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don't know where he if he's if Luke is at
the stage in his career if he gets if he
gets let go that I don't want to be a
head coach, or if he would do that, I'd go
somewhere and be an assistant. Again, I don't know where
do you go?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You know the place I would think of first opportunity
Probably no today, because Marcus Freeman there at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I was thinking about that. Luke's quote unquote tree coaching tree,
whatever it is, but he coached Marcus Freeman James Laurnidis
when he was linebacker coach at Ohio State. He goes
to Cincinnati, and you know, it gives Marcus Freeman, who
was a grad assistant here, an opportunity. He ends up
being defensive coordinator at Cincinnati, and then that's being coach
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at Notre Dame. Is one of the hottest coaches in
the country. I think there's a.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Better chance he shows up it with the New England
Patriots with frabes.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That's possible to definitely, I mean honest about they are buddies.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Because he had might come up and he had might
come up and work with him up in Wisconsin when
wasting between jobs, and so I think at least for
a couple of years, you know, go be on that
staff in some capacity, let things cool down a little
bit and take an assessment of you know what things
look like, but I would I would pick him.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
To be in there. That is that is a great point.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
For sure, I do for free, because no, you'd be
walking away a twenty six million.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Is that the buyout? Yeah? And of course those buyouts.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
The way that they're working for everybody, including James Franklin,
is is that they are required to make a look
for a job, a reasonable effort to look for a job,
and have that compensation for that job be considered.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
A market compensation.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So what I mean by that is James Franklin can't
go and you know, coach at Wisconsin and take a
one hundred thousand dollars salary and have Penn State pay
an eight million of it. Still he would have to
take a reasonable compensation for what that job would be.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
For sure. The conversation on bucks line continues again. We'll
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can tweet at me I'm at at Matt McCoy Radio,
or you can email me. I got a bunch of those,
a lot of conversation this week, by the way, a
couple of emails about the Penn State situation with James
Franklin firing, So we'll we'll certainly get to that as well.
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And you can make phone calls as well. At six
one four eight eighty six. Our friend Jim made that
phone call and is first up on Bucks line. Jim,
how you doing tonight?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I'm good. How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I'm good. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Well, I'll tell you I heard something last night on
the news. It just totally blows me out of the water.
Talking about nil for high school athletes. They said they
said there's forty four states today that offer nil compensation
for high school athletes. Now they say it's not for
just the average athletes. You've got to be a superstar,
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probably like a Jeremiah Smith or somebody like that, but
they said there's Ohio is one of the states that
doesn't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
They just got a lawsuit filed against them.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
That's what I heard that. Jamiir Brown, who is a
wide receiver junior wide receiver out of Hubert Heights, has
filed a lawsuit against the Ohio High School Athletic Association.
But my thoughts are, this is crazy enough with inil
and college level to do this at the high school level.
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What's to keep kids from bouncing around, going to different
schools and the rich get richer, just like in football
in college, same thing I could see happening at the
high school level at your city league teams, and you know,
not only in Columbus, but other cities would probably struggle
to be able to compensate anybody, while the suburbs could
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just make a heyday.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, not to mention the private schools.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Absolutely, So what are your guys thoughts about this?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's a slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I'm living in the wrong decade For Jeff Low I
would have had I would have had a whole room
full of Hoover sweepers.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Right, think about that. Yeah, there you go. The one
thing I would say, Jim even taking the nil part
of it out. Kids are transferring like their families are moving. Yeah,
they have to be for the opportunities to play, Like
I mean looking at programs, Hey, this is a good program.
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I'm gonna, you know, move from year to here. It's
that stuff is already. If Roy was here, he would
tell you they're about there and this is all on
the up and up. But yeah, it's not illegal.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Their starting quarterback is a transfer from Worthington, and their
family actively went around and interviewed coaches and places where
he could play quarterback, and then they uped and moved
their family. They did what they had to do for
the game of football. Now he wasn't getting nil money,
but he was able.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
To transfer looking for an opportunity and be fully eligible.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Bill, I got a question for you, like when in
the in the when you were recruiting, or in the
last decade or so, if a kid elected to leave
Ohio and go to IMG Academy in Florida, all right,
were they scholarshiped in some way, shape or form there
or do the families have to pay whatever the tuition
was in everything associated with IMG the.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Way I understand it, it might be changed now, but
they had to pay, families had to pay.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Because I was thought I had heard that now they
have the ability to scholarship some of these kids. And
what's the difference between getting aid like that to a
private school and get in IL money?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah? Yeah, is there a real difference? Not really not written?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know. The next step is they'll have shoe contracts
and everything else.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, yeah, Jim, I mean, I listen, I'm old school,
so I'm with you. But uh, that train's running down
the tracks, man, Like, I don't think there's I don't
think they're stopping it.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Jamira Brown. Guys, they said, you know the guy from
Humor Heights. They said, he's already been approached by a
sports car outlet, given an opportunity for over six figures
on nil opportunities there.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Do you remember back in the early in the early
two thousands, Lebron at Akron, Saint Vincent got Saint Mary's
got declared ineligible for a short period of time. Do
you remember this because his mom got a was driving
around in a hummer and there was some kind of
a car deal that was made because Lebron was who
Lebron was, and it benefited his mom. I don't know
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if you guys remember that, but he got that was
a big deal, like you know now days. Yeah, sure,
what the heck? You know, I it's you know, I
don't know, Jim. I I think it's inevitable. And it's
as you said, it's already happening. And I just, you know,
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is it going to happen in middle school or you know,
get the stars seventy grade kid? That's you know, there
you go. Yeah, so, I you know, I'm with you.
I'm old school. I'm not crazy about it, but it
just kind of is where we are right now. It's
great for sure getting to some of the news of
the day, guys. And thanks for the call, Jim. The
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Penn State situation again, I mentioned that I got a
bunch of emails and I'll get to a couple of them.
But toftailing off that, one of the first names that
came up as soon as they made that move of
James Franklin, and you know, they fire him after losing
to the Northwestern almost at the identical time that Indiana
is celebrating their biggest win ever going to Oregon. They're
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at ranked third in the country. Kurt Signetti is killing it,
and his name immediately comes up as that's who Penn
State's going to target. Are one of the names that
they're going to target. Well, Indiana today eight year contract
extension for Kurt Signetti eleven point six million dollars a year,
third highest paid coach now in all of college football.
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And Jeff I got to give credit to Indiana, like,
they see what's going on with their football program and
what he's done. Can he sustain it? I didn't think
they would be what they are this year, and they're better,
So we'll find out if they sustain it. But a
credit to them, and that's the price you're going to
have to pay to keep these coaches from jumping to
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opportunities like that.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I would say the most valuable player in all of
this would be the Department of Development at Indiana. They're
raising some money to be able to afford to do
these kinds of things. Now we all know that revenue
sharing and everything else has created a whole new flow
of revenue that have gone into all of the athletics programs,
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not just for football, but all of athletics programs. And
I think that it's kind of you know, you talk
about a slippery slope. I think that these guys right
now are flush with cash, many of these universities compared
to where they were two or three years ago. When
you take into account revenue share, you take into account
the new revenue that is being generated by the playoffs,
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all of that, and if you're in the Big Ten Conference,
you all benefited from the fact that we had all
of these folks in the college football playoffs last year,
and so the revenue is its highest point that it's
ever been, and the fiscal responsibility of the people in charge,
you know, ross By yorke Is was talking this week
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about this whole idea of a private investment group coming
in and buying the Big Ten Conference.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeap, what I know.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
You know, this isn't a software company that you can buy.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yep. Well, you know what surprises me is that, you know,
I agree with you that Indiana, you know, right now
is on a high, but I still think Penn State's
a much better job than Indiana. Why then, the money
powers at Penn State contacts an advanced agent in advance,
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in advance even before the loss.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, think about it. You talk about money being spent,
how much money is Penn Stak can have to spend
because of this move. They got a fifty million dollar
buyout for the guy by the way, and Jeff, you
brought it up a couple of times. I don't even
know how much the price tag is for the renovations
to their stadium that's going on. That's an eight hundred million.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Dollars hundred million dollar project at Beaver Stadium right now.
Plus you've got a continuation of the buyouts of all
of the other coaches exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Who And you got to pay whatever it is, eleven
point six million dollars a year or more to the
new dude, to whoever the new dude is and his staff. Like,
where is this money coming from? I know, is incredible
the amount of money.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Not Quaker oats, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, they're flush.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I mean, and you know, it's like that, It's like
that that drunk that's out in Vegas that hit the
jackpot and he can't spend.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
It fast enough.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I mean, it's just they got it falling out of
their pockets right now. And the balance between fiscal responsibility
and the desire to win at all costs, that's the
that's the catch that you're in right Now what signetti
came from?
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Help me the college j James Madison.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And broughtes people with him. Yeah, it doesn't FCS school.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
They probably came up in a in a writer or
U haul truck, I mean from that place.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And now maybe Blowney Sandwiches on Holy crap.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I got tagged on a tweet and thanks for
this bill with a I say report. It is a report,
but it's a Penn State publication that lists a bunch
of possible candidates, and Brian Hartline's name is on it.
Sure would you believe that or not?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I believe he's on the list some makeup list, But
why not? You know, I think anybody that would be
a Broils candidate in the last three to five years
as an assistant coach of the year, any coordinator, young, smart.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
It doesn't take anything to post something, right, And.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, that doesn't mean that's that could be some guy
that's a writer. Maybe why not? I like you're saying,
Brian Harline, you have one of the hot assistants.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, why not include his name in the mix? And
that's that doesn't I.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Would find that hard to believe though, that that would
be the end deal. I would think Penn State's going
for somebody that's got head coaching and things like that,
but you know, something to maybe keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I know, he's obviously a top young coach in the profession.
Do they want to go somebody that young? But the
other part of it is he probably is not as
expensive to get as some of those other guys.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I mean, if they if they go the direction of
Matt Rule, which is another kind of a hot name
that's out there.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
He's the head football coach at UH at.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Nebraska, played played at Penn State from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
We met his wife on campus.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
He went on a tirade about how much he loved
Penn State University, and he was speaking from a Nebraska
press conference. If I'd have been his athletic director, I'd
have gone in there and choked him.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Seriously, did you see who's on your paychecks?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You know, if you want to make comments about you,
guys all know I'm from Penn State and all that
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But boy, I really like my job here at Nebraska.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
You don't have to tell the truth.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, dil Riola's press conference the next day, he goes guys,
he's not going anywhere, And I'm like, oh no, like
he's in charge. I know you got influence, kid, you do,
and you got a nice nil deal and all that,
but yeah, I don't know that you have the final
say in that. More from bucks line coming up next hour.
Don't forget Bill Conley's got no thine enemy about the
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Wisconsin Badgers. We continued the conversation after this box line
is Service a legacy retirement group on six to ten WTBN,
Matt McCoy, Bill Conley, Jeff Logan with you. We'll have
Roy coming up after the top of the hour from Twitter.
And we actually talked a little bit about this Jeff
on the postgame show after the Illinois game. But Bill's
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here too. Can anyone on the panel explain the blocking
responsibility on the reverse to Jeremiah Smith last week? It
looked like he was going to have a big play,
but two blockers sixty seven and eighty six, that's Sarah
Eldenclair ran right past the defensive player who tackled Smith.
Who's that fault? That's that's from Pat. Jeff. You equated
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it to a two outfielders looking at each other, catch
the ball and the ball drops.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
In, except they didn't municate with one another. I mean,
there was nothing, and it's you take first available. I mean,
and if it's both of you, it's both of you,
it doesn't matter. You cannot take nobody.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
They both got a zero on the grade sheet. I
guarantee you.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I mean that was a toro like an ola. You know,
let the guy through. I mean, and we almost lost Jeremiah,
the best player in America. Yeah, twisted up, Yeah, Landman's head.
That could have been a very dangerous and season career
ending kind of a hit. I mean, you can't expose
your guys to that. And I guarantee you that there
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was a lot to be discussed there about responsibil.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Bill as a veteran coach, what is the film session
like when you're sick with the guys and you're reviewing
that play.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, you look at you know, running back a couple
of times and then say, okay, penciler, weren't take an
IQ test. I know, two guys have failed to dang
all things. I was expecting to see a double team
on the guy.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Blow him up. Yes, it's funny, you know it the
play last, you know, a couple of seconds or something.
But my reaction, like in the moment, I'm looking at Oh,
that's that's a huge point. Like it looked like it
was wide open.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
There's two guys and they I mean, I hate to
laugh because it almost killed our guy.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But the other thing that I have.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Not gotten an answer on since last week's game, that
is really it's kept me up at night. Gentlemen. I
just want you to know, I know where you're going,
is how did we take two delay of gay penalties
on punt formation with plenty of time to snap the ball.
It wasn't like we were running out on the field. Yeah,
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and we it looked like we voluntarily took penalties.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah. The one looks like is almost well, let some
more clock run down or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And they weren't situations you sometimes see it when you're
at the forty five yard line. Let's give the punter five.
They weren't. They were like back in their own territory.
I like, the guy's getting in an eighty yard punt.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
He's averaging like forty a game. And it never came
up in the press conferences. I don't think either, and
I don't I was just hoping that one of you
scribes that are professional media guys like you two would
be able to dress down Ryan Day or the whoever
is in charge of punt.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Who's the coach's in charge of punt? Oh gosh, I
don't know, do we remember?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
We do?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Hard Line heart Line is part of it. It's like
a team effort. Now in terms of I know it's
not one special teams guy.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yes, there's a special teams guy that is in charge, but.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Another coach has been assigned to assist or something.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yes, that's right, he's the guys in charge of them
overall gotcha things. But you're right, a coach has a team.
Particular coach would have that team at unit.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
One hour down. We got one hour to go. Bucks
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game on Saturday at Wisconsin is a three thirty kickets
on Channel ten. That means we'll be on at one
o'clock with our best Buckeye coverage pregame show. The Buckeyes
coming off a convincing win thirty four to sixteen at
Illinois and getting ready for their third road game out
of four. And Ryan Da talked this week that Bill
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he feels like, you know, in a stretch like this
where you play three out of four on the road,
you got to maintain your focus and all those coaching cliches,
but he said they're important, like you you know, have
to maintain that focus and discipline, not look ahead, not
you know, get bothered by the environments and everything. And
he said, so far, so good, but let's see how
we do Saturday and Wisconsin's really really struggling. I mean,
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the home field may be a detriment to them if
they fall behind, because the fans Bubergs will come out quick,
are restless. Exactly what are you expecting Saturday?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, you know that's always been a tough place to
play because the crowd really gets in to and stuff.
But man, I'm with you, if anything goes bad early
for Luke, they'll be awful to him. I just they've
had so many injuries and some key positions to their
offensive line. The defensive backfield has been hurt, the quarterbacks
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been dinged up, they don't have as many weapons as
they used to, and they're just not playing good. They've
only scored over seventeen points one time, now's against an
FCS team, and they got shut out last week by Iowa. Yeah,
it goes to proof that Kirk France is definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Got to be coach of the year. I mean, soied doubt.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
They scored thirty seven points. I mean that's more than
they scoring a season.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, But I'll tell you what Luke.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I feel, Jeff. I mean, I I really like Luke Fickel.
I like covering him as a player. That shows how
old I am liked him when he was an assistant
here twenty eleven, he got thrown in an awful situation. Uh,
and I know people six and seven, he didn't. He
didn't do a terrible job. If you remember that year,
kept us chin up. They were in every game, they
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just were losing them. Coach Meyer kept him, helped us
Ohio State win a national championship in twenty fourteen as
defensive coordinator. Went the UC did well. Obviously, it's not
going well at Wisconsin and in this day and age, Jeff,
where guys are getting fired eight mid season firing so far,
you worry that if it gets ugly on Saturday, if
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he'll have a job next week.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, I think if you look at their schedule and
they haven't done anything yet, it's us and then they
go to Oregon and then they get a bye. If
they're going to make a decision, it's going to be
after the Oregon game to the bye week. In my opinion,
you're not going to take an interim coach and put
him in his first gig on the road to Oregon.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That would be cool and unusual punishment, I think.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Really, you know, it's a really good point.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
They started out the season with the ninth worst or
most difficult schedule in all of college football, and today
they have the second hardest for the balance of the season.
So there's been no favors there, and the injury bug
has been awful for them up there. And I believe
this is probably an understatement. I mean, these guys are
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coaching for their I hate to say their lives because
I don't mean it that way, but they're families there,
and and the the the extended family of assistant coaches
and other people support staff that are not making six
eight million dollars a year. But when you look at
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that staff and you take into account that Mike Tressel
is the defensive coordinator, Kenny Geiton, yeah, the quarterbacks coach,
Paul Haynes is the cornerbacks coach, and Tough Borland as
an assistant coach in linebackers.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
It's Ohio State two point zero.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It is right, I mean, and and so is this
game special to the Are they coaching for their families?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't want to use lives.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Are they coaching for their families because this is a
game that would have the same kind of repercussions. Should
they win, all right, and we all you got to
do is look at the UCLA Penn State game, a
home game for UCLA, right, and they did the unthinkable.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
They beat Penn State.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Could Wisconsin mount that same battle because Ucla was awful?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, I know they want game. There was no indication
coach was already gone. It was. They were twenty five
point under dollar.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
There's as good a chance here for Wisconsin to do
what they did as it was for UCLA to do
what they did against Penn State. The spread's about the
same twenty five points, and there cannot have There could
not have been more emphasis and preparation throughout this week
for the Wisconsin football team than it would have been
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for any other game other than this one.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You can tell you all you want.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
About the Iowa game being a rivalry game. That's a
bunch of crap, all right, This game because of what's
going on?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Is it for the families?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, you know, Luke's got his son on the staff,
Landon Fickles, one of the football staff.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
They're coaching for their families, guys, Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And you know the difference is Penn State's loss came
after a devastating losss, so they never did recover from
names game. And you get a team like this that
traditionally is a physical football team. They love to come
at you. You're right, their backs are against the wall,
so they'll do one of two things. Expect to get
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their best shot, or they're going to fold your tent. Yes,
because their backs are against the wall for shot.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And that's what you wonder about the Iowa game. Did
they fold their tents in that game?
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
You know, I watched the beginning of that, and you
know their first score comes on a pick six, the
only way Iowa can put points in the end zones
with the defense, right, Yeah, And I think everybody was
shocked to see a thirty seven to nothing. And I
guess that's the first time at home that they have
been shut out since like nineteen forty one. I mean,
it is goes way back to whenever that Wisconsin's ever
been shut out of their own building.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
So it's it's not good.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
They're in the middle of the completion of a new
indoor football excellence facility up there too, a three hundred
million dollar investment that is being made that I think
Luke had a lot to do with getting that they
kicked off. I'm coming up here from Cincinnati, but you're
gonna have to invest in facilities, and.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So he may never see the light of day.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
This thing is supposed to open in twenty twenty seven,
and I don't know that Luke will get to the
point where they'll ever get get a chance to use it.
But you know they're spending they're spending three hundred million
dollars on improving their indoor facility to make it comparable
to what's going on in the rest of the Big
Ten Conference.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
They have a tremendous when they have it humming and
a reputation of a tremendous home field advantage, you know,
the jump around, the fans really get into and everything.
But if you look at them like they again they're
struggling across the board, but they've almost played better on
the road. Like they went to Michigan and that was
a competitive game. I mean, they scored first and ended
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up being twenty four to ten. They lost. Look, they
got clobbered by Alabama at Alabama, but it was thirty
eight to fourteen. It wasn't like sixty three to nothing
or something like that. But they lost at home to
me Maryland twenty seven to ten, and then last week
thirty seven and nothing. So that's what I mean about, Like,
if Ohio State scores early, it's so toxic and the
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fire fickle chants and everything like that, I think it
makes it harder for those kids sure to stay. If
they can get somehow jeff off to a good start
and get the fans behind them, then you know, maybe
it can be competitive. But if Ohio State goes down
in scores on the first drive, you know what it's
going to be like, you know, And that's that for
the players and the coaches. It turns the home field
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advantage into a home field disadvantage.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
You no question about it.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
If I had to asked you the question, guys about
since twenty ten, all right, who is O High State
of Michigan lead the Big Ten in Big Ten wins?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
All right?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
O High State number one, Michigan number two.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Who you think the number three team is in that
fifteen year period of time in Big Ten Conference game wins?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I'm guessing it's Wisconsin because it's Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It seems that way, right, Yes, you would think maybe
Penn State, Yeah, you would.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It's Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Penn State loses all the big games, yes.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But think about that, all in the Big Ten in
the last fifteen years. This is a program that has
won sixty five percent of its Big Ten games, and
that's pretty darn good in this conference.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The difference I see in this team then Wisconsin teams
from the past, you know, all always play physical stuff.
But their offense was always able to keep drives going.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yes, because they.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Had that running back and that offensive end and a
tight end.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
They would boot out and do that stuff, just dink
you to death, moving the ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And defensively, I don't know that they're in my memory
a more physical team. Yes, that you played against.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I mean brothers, and yeah they were.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
They were all really really good on defense, and you
know they we still have some key players over there though.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
They've got some draft guys.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
The edge rusher's pretty good, ye, you know, they've got
a defensive lineman I think that also, or a corner
that might be pretty good. But the fact of the
matter is you look at the quarterback spot, and that's
where it's kind of concentrating my views. Because they brought
in three transfer quarterbacks a total of twenty two transfer
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people coming in new this year, so Luke was trying
to shore up the holes in the boat. But they
brought in three three of those transfer quarterbacks, you know,
one from Maryland, one from San Diego State, and one
from Southern Illinois. The first two got beat up, and
now you got the guy from Southern Illinois who was
only good enough to start four games when he was
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a Saluki.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
My goodness.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, and you know, offensively there are there towards the
bottom of the conference and everything, I mean, scoring points,
you know, not doing good at all. They von't lose THESS.
They've only been in the red zone twelve times. Twelve times,
we've been at thirty one. They can't get the ball
down the field. They've thrown eight interceptions, Yeah, eight, And
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I said they're minus six in a turnover margin.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah, that's that's awful.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And you know the one thing that in Ohio State
was right on the bubble going into last week's game,
where we were I think plus one in the turnover margin.
We get three turnovers in that game and turn all
three of them into touchdowns. Guys, yep, you talk about
maximizing your opportunities on the road in an environment head
you flip the switch on the other you know you don't.
You don't get those picks. You don't get the strip sack.
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We got a gift from the punter that took a knee,
which that's the same as a turnover. He should have,
he absolutely should have. But you know, we turned each
one of those takeaways into into points, touchdown points on
the board, and that's what you have to do on
the road. And I think that if the turnover thing
comes up in the Wisconsin game. You know, somebody was
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asking me the question today, do you think Ryan Day
would take his foot off the gas even earlier this
week in respect for Luke, And I'm sitting here telling you,
you know, he's not going to pile it on intentionally
be throwing in the fourth quarter if they're up sixty
one to nothing. But there is not a chance in
the world you could expect that, coach, and I don't
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think Luke Fickle would expect him to line up in
the victory formation at the end of the game.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That's an embarrassment. Yes, yeah, they only have scored Wisconsin
three offensive touchdowns since September sixth, like they scored fourteen
points against Alabama, but seven were on a kickoff return.
So they had one offensive touchdown in that game, one
against Michigan and one against Maryland. So and they're going
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against Ohio State's defense. So I just you know, it
has all the ear marks. But Jeff, you made an
excellent point earlier that the UCLA Penn State, oh Penn
State's coming off a loss. They're gonna be ticked off.
They're gonna go there twenty four points. It's not enough.
Most of the money is on Penn State, like and
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weird things happen. I I would be floored if this
is closed. I really would be. But I imagine that is
a message that you have to deliver if you're right.
You've got to do is look around.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
There's documentable you know, double digit games where weird things
have happened in games like this, and so you've got
to do what he talked about in that you know,
at the beginning of the game, finish your drives right,
whether it's an offensive or a defensive drive, get a
three and out, get good field position, take it down
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and score, or get the ball, take it down and score.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
All right, we continue to talk Buckeyes on Bucks line
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Speaker 2 (14:07):
A Notre Dame only tough team. They got left organ
out there.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You can be part of the show by tweeting at me.
A lot of you have during the week, and a
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again some good emails again this week that will be
getting to email me at Matt McCoy at iHeartMedia dot
com from Twitter. Do you think if Luke is fired,
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would he ever be a candidate to come back to
the Ohio State coaching staff in some capacity? As from
James where I know, well, we got one hundred and
fifty thousand consultants. He can on fifty one, you know,
I mean, I know what you're saying, but you know,
if if somebody leaves, I mean I don't know, I
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don't know where he if he's if Luke is at
the stage in his career if he gets if he
gets let go that I don't want to be a
head coach, or if he would do that, I'd go
somewhere and be an assistant. Again, I don't know where
do you go?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You know the place I would think of first opportunity
Probably no today, because Marcus Freeman there at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I was thinking about that. Luke's quote unquote tree coaching tree,
whatever it is, but he coached Marcus Freeman James Laurnidis
when he was linebacker coach at Ohio State. He goes
to Cincinnati, and you know, it gives Marcus Freeman, who
was a grad assistant here, an opportunity. He ends up
being defensive coordinator at Cincinnati, and then that's being coach
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at Notre Dame. Is one of the hottest coaches in
the country. I think there's a.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Better chance he shows up it with the New England
Patriots with frabes.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That's possible to definitely, I mean honest about they are buddies.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Because he had might come up and he had might
come up and work with him up in Wisconsin when
wasting between jobs, and so I think at least for
a couple of years, you know, go be on that
staff in some capacity, let things cool down a little
bit and take an assessment of you know what things
look like, but I would I would pick him.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
To be in there. That is that is a great point.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
For sure, I do for free, because no, you'd be
walking away a twenty six million.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Is that the buyout? Yeah? And of course those buyouts.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
The way that they're working for everybody, including James Franklin,
is is that they are required to make a look
for a job, a reasonable effort to look for a job,
and have that compensation for that job be considered.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
A market compensation.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So what I mean by that is James Franklin can't
go and you know, coach at Wisconsin and take a
one hundred thousand dollars salary and have Penn State pay
an eight million of it. Still he would have to
take a reasonable compensation for what that job would be.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
For sure. The conversation on bucks line continues again. We'll
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McCoy with Bill Conley and Jeff Logan. We'll have Roy
Hall joining us after the seven o'clock hour. Again. You
can tweet at me I'm at at Matt McCoy Radio,
or you can email me. I got a bunch of those,
a lot of conversation this week, by the way, a
couple of emails about the Penn State situation with James
Franklin firing, So we'll we'll certainly get to that as well.
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And you can make phone calls as well. At six
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phone call and is first up on Bucks line. Jim,
how you doing tonight?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I'm good. How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I'm good. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Well, I'll tell you I heard something last night on
the news. It just totally blows me out of the water.
Talking about nil for high school athletes. They said they
said there's forty four states today that offer nil compensation
for high school athletes. Now they say it's not for
just the average athletes. You've got to be a superstar,
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probably like a Jeremiah Smith or somebody like that, but
they said there's Ohio is one of the states that
doesn't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
They just got a lawsuit filed against them.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
That's what I heard that. Jamiir Brown, who is a
wide receiver junior wide receiver out of Hubert Heights, has
filed a lawsuit against the Ohio High School Athletic Association.
But my thoughts are, this is crazy enough with inil
and college level to do this at the high school level.
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What's to keep kids from bouncing around, going to different
schools and the rich get richer, just like in football
in college, same thing I could see happening at the
high school level at your city league teams, and you know,
not only in Columbus, but other cities would probably struggle
to be able to compensate anybody, while the suburbs could
(19:06):
just make a heyday.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, not to mention the private schools.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Absolutely, So what are your guys thoughts about this?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's a slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I'm living in the wrong decade For Jeff Low I
would have had I would have had a whole room
full of Hoover sweepers.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Right, think about that. Yeah, there you go. The one
thing I would say, Jim even taking the nil part
of it out. Kids are transferring like their families are moving. Yeah,
they have to be for the opportunities to play, Like
I mean looking at programs, Hey, this is a good program.
(19:50):
I'm gonna, you know, move from year to here. It's
that stuff is already. If Roy was here, he would
tell you they're about there and this is all on
the up and up. But yeah, it's not illegal.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Their starting quarterback is a transfer from Worthington, and their
family actively went around and interviewed coaches and places where
he could play quarterback, and then they uped and moved
their family. They did what they had to do for
the game of football. Now he wasn't getting nil money,
but he was able.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
To transfer looking for an opportunity and be fully eligible.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Bill, I got a question for you, like when in
the in the when you were recruiting, or in the
last decade or so, if a kid elected to leave
Ohio and go to IMG Academy in Florida, all right,
were they scholarshiped in some way, shape or form there
or do the families have to pay whatever the tuition
was in everything associated with IMG the.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Way I understand it, it might be changed now, but
they had to pay, families had to pay.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Because I was thought I had heard that now they
have the ability to scholarship some of these kids. And
what's the difference between getting aid like that to a
private school and get in IL money?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah? Yeah, is there a real difference? Not really not written?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know. The next step is they'll have shoe contracts
and everything else.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, yeah, Jim, I mean, I listen, I'm old school,
so I'm with you. But uh, that train's running down
the tracks, man, Like, I don't think there's I don't
think they're stopping it.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Jamira Brown. Guys, they said, you know the guy from
Humor Heights. They said, he's already been approached by a
sports car outlet, given an opportunity for over six figures
on nil opportunities there.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Do you remember back in the early in the early
two thousands, Lebron at Akron, Saint Vincent got Saint Mary's
got declared ineligible for a short period of time. Do
you remember this because his mom got a was driving
around in a hummer and there was some kind of
a car deal that was made because Lebron was who
Lebron was, and it benefited his mom. I don't know
(22:01):
if you guys remember that, but he got that was
a big deal, like you know now days. Yeah, sure,
what the heck? You know, I it's you know, I
don't know, Jim. I I think it's inevitable. And it's
as you said, it's already happening. And I just, you know,
(22:21):
is it going to happen in middle school or you know,
get the stars seventy grade kid? That's you know, there
you go. Yeah, so, I you know, I'm with you.
I'm old school. I'm not crazy about it, but it
just kind of is where we are right now. It's
great for sure getting to some of the news of
the day, guys. And thanks for the call, Jim. The
(22:44):
Penn State situation again, I mentioned that I got a
bunch of emails and I'll get to a couple of them.
But toftailing off that, one of the first names that
came up as soon as they made that move of
James Franklin, and you know, they fire him after losing
to the Northwestern almost at the identical time that Indiana
is celebrating their biggest win ever going to Oregon. They're
(23:05):
at ranked third in the country. Kurt Signetti is killing it,
and his name immediately comes up as that's who Penn
State's going to target. Are one of the names that
they're going to target. Well, Indiana today eight year contract
extension for Kurt Signetti eleven point six million dollars a year,
third highest paid coach now in all of college football.
(23:26):
And Jeff I got to give credit to Indiana, like,
they see what's going on with their football program and
what he's done. Can he sustain it? I didn't think
they would be what they are this year, and they're better,
So we'll find out if they sustain it. But a
credit to them, and that's the price you're going to
have to pay to keep these coaches from jumping to
(23:47):
opportunities like that.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I would say the most valuable player in all of
this would be the Department of Development at Indiana. They're
raising some money to be able to afford to do
these kinds of things. Now we all know that revenue
sharing and everything else has created a whole new flow
of revenue that have gone into all of the athletics programs,
(24:09):
not just for football, but all of athletics programs. And
I think that it's kind of you know, you talk
about a slippery slope. I think that these guys right
now are flush with cash, many of these universities compared
to where they were two or three years ago. When
you take into account revenue share, you take into account
the new revenue that is being generated by the playoffs,
(24:32):
all of that, and if you're in the Big Ten Conference,
you all benefited from the fact that we had all
of these folks in the college football playoffs last year,
and so the revenue is its highest point that it's
ever been, and the fiscal responsibility of the people in charge,
you know, ross By yorke Is was talking this week
(24:53):
about this whole idea of a private investment group coming
in and buying the Big Ten Conference.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeap, what I know.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
You know, this isn't a software company that you can buy.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yep. Well, you know what surprises me is that, you know,
I agree with you that Indiana, you know, right now
is on a high, but I still think Penn State's
a much better job than Indiana. Why then, the money
powers at Penn State contacts an advanced agent in advance,
(25:27):
in advance even before the loss.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, think about it. You talk about money being spent,
how much money is Penn Stak can have to spend
because of this move. They got a fifty million dollar
buyout for the guy by the way, and Jeff, you
brought it up a couple of times. I don't even
know how much the price tag is for the renovations
to their stadium that's going on. That's an eight hundred million.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Dollars hundred million dollar project at Beaver Stadium right now.
Plus you've got a continuation of the buyouts of all
of the other coaches exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Who And you got to pay whatever it is, eleven
point six million dollars a year or more to the
new dude, to whoever the new dude is and his staff. Like,
where is this money coming from? I know, is incredible
the amount of money.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Not Quaker oats, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, they're flush.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I mean, and you know, it's like that, It's like
that that drunk that's out in Vegas that hit the
jackpot and he can't spend.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
It fast enough.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I mean, it's just they got it falling out of
their pockets right now. And the balance between fiscal responsibility
and the desire to win at all costs, that's the
that's the catch that you're in right Now what signetti
came from?
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Help me the college j James Madison.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And broughtes people with him. Yeah, it doesn't FCS school.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
They probably came up in a in a writer or
U haul truck, I mean from that place.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And now maybe Blowney Sandwiches on Holy crap.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I got tagged on a tweet and thanks for
this bill with a I say report. It is a report,
but it's a Penn State publication that lists a bunch
of possible candidates, and Brian Hartline's name is on it.
Sure would you believe that or not?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I believe he's on the list some makeup list, But
why not? You know, I think anybody that would be
a Broils candidate in the last three to five years
as an assistant coach of the year, any coordinator, young, smart.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
It doesn't take anything to post something, right, And.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, that doesn't mean that's that could be some guy
that's a writer. Maybe why not? I like you're saying,
Brian Harline, you have one of the hot assistants.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, why not include his name in the mix? And
that's that doesn't I.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Would find that hard to believe though, that that would
be the end deal. I would think Penn State's going
for somebody that's got head coaching and things like that,
but you know, something to maybe keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I know, he's obviously a top young coach in the profession.
Do they want to go somebody that young? But the
other part of it is he probably is not as
expensive to get as some of those other guys.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I mean, if they if they go the direction of
Matt Rule, which is another kind of a hot name
that's out there.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
He's the head football coach at UH at.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Nebraska, played played at Penn State from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
We met his wife on campus.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
He went on a tirade about how much he loved
Penn State University, and he was speaking from a Nebraska
press conference. If I'd have been his athletic director, I'd
have gone in there and choked him.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Seriously, did you see who's on your paychecks?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You know, if you want to make comments about you,
guys all know I'm from Penn State and all that
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But boy, I really like my job here at Nebraska.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
You don't have to tell the truth.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, dil Riola's press conference the next day, he goes guys,
he's not going anywhere, And I'm like, oh no, like
he's in charge. I know you got influence, kid, you do,
and you got a nice nil deal and all that,
but yeah, I don't know that you have the final
say in that. More from bucks line coming up next hour.
Don't forget Bill Conley's got no thine enemy about the
(29:13):
Wisconsin Badgers. We continued the conversation after this box line
is Service a legacy retirement group on six to ten WTBN,
Matt McCoy, Bill Conley, Jeff Logan with you. We'll have
Roy coming up after the top of the hour from Twitter.
And we actually talked a little bit about this Jeff
on the postgame show after the Illinois game. But Bill's
(29:34):
here too. Can anyone on the panel explain the blocking
responsibility on the reverse to Jeremiah Smith last week? It
looked like he was going to have a big play,
but two blockers sixty seven and eighty six, that's Sarah
Eldenclair ran right past the defensive player who tackled Smith.
Who's that fault? That's that's from Pat. Jeff. You equated
(29:55):
it to a two outfielders looking at each other, catch
the ball and the ball drops.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
In, except they didn't municate with one another. I mean,
there was nothing, and it's you take first available. I mean,
and if it's both of you, it's both of you,
it doesn't matter. You cannot take nobody.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
They both got a zero on the grade sheet. I
guarantee you.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I mean that was a toro like an ola. You know,
let the guy through. I mean, and we almost lost Jeremiah,
the best player in America. Yeah, twisted up, Yeah, Landman's head.
That could have been a very dangerous and season career
ending kind of a hit. I mean, you can't expose
your guys to that. And I guarantee you that there
(30:33):
was a lot to be discussed there about responsibil.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Bill as a veteran coach, what is the film session
like when you're sick with the guys and you're reviewing
that play.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, you look at you know, running back a couple
of times and then say, okay, penciler, weren't take an
IQ test. I know, two guys have failed to dang
all things. I was expecting to see a double team
on the guy.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Blow him up. Yes, it's funny, you know it the
play last, you know, a couple of seconds or something.
But my reaction, like in the moment, I'm looking at Oh,
that's that's a huge point. Like it looked like it
was wide open.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
There's two guys and they I mean, I hate to
laugh because it almost killed our guy.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But the other thing that I have.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Not gotten an answer on since last week's game, that
is really it's kept me up at night. Gentlemen. I
just want you to know, I know where you're going,
is how did we take two delay of gay penalties
on punt formation with plenty of time to snap the ball.
It wasn't like we were running out on the field. Yeah,
(31:43):
and we it looked like we voluntarily took penalties.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah. The one looks like is almost well, let some
more clock run down or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And they weren't situations you sometimes see it when you're
at the forty five yard line. Let's give the punter five.
They weren't. They were like back in their own territory.
I like, the guy's getting in an eighty yard punt.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
He's averaging like forty a game. And it never came
up in the press conferences. I don't think either, and
I don't I was just hoping that one of you
scribes that are professional media guys like you two would
be able to dress down Ryan Day or the whoever
is in charge of punt.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Who's the coach's in charge of punt? Oh gosh, I
don't know, do we remember?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
We do?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Hard Line heart Line is part of it. It's like
a team effort. Now in terms of I know it's
not one special teams guy.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yes, there's a special teams guy that is in charge, but.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Another coach has been assigned to assist or something.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yes, that's right, he's the guys in charge of them
overall gotcha things. But you're right, a coach has a team.
Particular coach would have that team at unit.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
One hour down. We got one hour to go. Bucks
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