WEEK 2 - YOUNGSTOWN ST

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Episode Transcript

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And welcome the Buckeyes getting ready forthe Jim Tressell Bowl on Saturday against Youngstown
State in a noon kickleoff. Itis on the Big Ten Network this week.
Coach Tressell four national championships and whatused to be one double a football
at Youngstown State, and of coursethe two thousand and two national championship coach

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at Ohio State, and no longerthe president at Youngstown State, but he
was the president when this game wasarranged. And nice paycheck coming in the
direction of Youngstound State for this one. I'm Matt McCoy along with our best
Buckeye coverage analyst Jeff Logan and BillConley. Roy Hall is on the way.
He's finishing up coaching team meal nightfor the undefeated Ghandle Lincoln Lions.

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He coaches the receivers. He willbe here about six thirty, so we'll
handle it up until then. Buthe really likes tonight because he has team
meal and he gets another meal whenhe gets Yes, that's right, our
friends at Schmidt's, thank you verymuch for delivering us a dinner tonight,
which we will be enjoying here shortly. And they are gearing up for october
Fest, right, Jeff. They'veheard from Andy Schmidt. This is a

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huge week for them. They basicallyon the Ohio State Fairgrounds. It'll be
Schmitz, Schmitz, and Schmidt's allover the place. I've never understood why
october Fest is in September. Yes, that doesn't seem to make sense to
me, but he mentioned to methat there are so many october Fest events
all over the state of Ohio,all over the country for that matter.

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But Schmitz is a as a bigoffering there, and I guess I understand.
We have something that I haven't hadbefore at Schmitz, and they called
fat Boys, and I thought thathas something to do with recognizing what we
look like. I'm sure maybe so. But it's a Bologney product. So
we're going to try that out tonightand report on that. But the staple

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is there, the cream puff.Oh yeah, thank you Andy, Yes,
thank you very much. Appreciate itvery much. And they'll be prominent
at Octoberfest at a lot of tailgates. I'm sure on Saturdays the Buckeyes play
there. Yeah, So where areyou guys on the first week performance?

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Because there are a wide faction ofopinions that from the hey, they're fine,
it's the first game. You know, they'll grow to the sky is
falling, They're awful and they haveno chance. Where are you in that
pantheum of opinion right now, JeffLogan, as you look at the team

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after I mean, and I'll sayit, I mean we were texting back
and forth. It was far fromperfect, but in the end they were
never in trouble and they won twentythree to three on the road in an
opening game. What was your takeaway, I am optimistically cautious that I'm well,
I'm not I'm not a pessimist,and there are a bunch of those

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people out there that are They arealways looking for the negative and anything that
they possibly can and I saw somegood things out there. I you know,
I got, like many Buckeye fans, I got sucked into a prediction
that we would have three hundred yardsrushing in three hundred yards passing, and
by ready to throw up in myshoes when I saw what we weren't going
to get that part done. SoI'm a little disappointed there, but I

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think again, my expectations were unrealisticgoing into the game. When you when
you take them into account that wehad three new starting offensive linemen, all
right, going up against another Powerfive team on the road. You got
a brand new quarterback in there,you got you know, some some changes
on defensive Defensively, I don't thinkwe can argue we played really good football
against a very average offensive football team. But guys, the thing that burns

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me a little bit is that whileour performance was nothing to brag about,
a twenty three to three win onthe road Power five in the Big Ten
Conference, the team up north playsEastern Kentucky and East East Carolina. East
Carolina, they get they get outthe difference, but they get out to

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an early lead and they sit onthirty to three. Right, yep,
yeah, we take We get trashedin the polls, We get trashed everywhere,
and their win was look what theydid for hardball? Yeah it is.
It is fascinating, and just tothink about the dynamics, and like
me, who cares about the polls? Bill, I mean, especially especially

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at this stage of the season.And I voted on the AP poll for
twenty years and so things change,and I don't know how I would have
voted if I moved to Ohive StateTown, but they dropped two spots and
Alabama who played I can't even rememberwho they played, but not a power
five school at home, you know, pass them, and I get Florida

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State passing him because they had animpressive win over But you know, you
can look at it like it wasa power five team. I don't think
Indiana is very good, but theyare. They're better in East Carolina and
I stay played them on the roadand one East League, but I you
know who cares about that? Iguess the focus needs to be on how
do we get better? If you'reOhio State, yeah, I'm with you

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that pulls don't mean really anything untilyou know, let's see what happens in
a couple of weeks when it reallycounts the big game, exact big game,
yep, you know things. Ithink offensively was good, our past
protection was good. The problem wasshort yards run again. Uh you know
at a situation where we got inthe red zone four times, only got

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two touchdowns and had take two fieldgoals. Hands to field goal carrier did
a great job. But I'm reallyfeel good about the way our defensive played.
Not only did they hold them too, like one hundred fifty three yards.
Not only did they keep them outof the red zone the whole game,
but think they stopped Is it prettysmart game plan by India's office running

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an option attack, because when youwere in an option attack, a triple
option where you have to have somebodyon the dive back, somebody on the
quarterback, and somebody on the pitch, and you gotta think about it.
You gotta have that coverage in allthe different defenses you run, or either
you have to check to just onedefense to stop it. And they were
able to adjust and make plays,play a lot of new faces on defense.

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And hats off to Jim Knowles.I thought he hit his guys ready
to go. You know. Hesaid Jim Knowles after the game that how
much did you prepare for the tripleoption? He said, maybe five reps
the entire training camp. Like theycompletely caught him off guard. Steel Chambers
yesterday I was looking at the interviewsand he said, and I'm cleaning up
his language, he said, honestly, the first series, I was ticked

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off. I was like, whatare they doing? We spent months preparing
for this game and prepared for theseason, and you know, but it
is a testament to them, asBill said Jeff, that they were disciplined
and they knew what to do,and they shut that down and in the
end and never got anything going.Well. I heard Bill Connley talk a
week ago about the value of thatcoach that can go in at halftime and

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make those adjustments and do those things. But this was on the fly,
and they got a kind of anautomatic time out to kind of gather themselves
because of the review of the targetingthat happened on the game, and so
that created a little bit of atime out for the defense to be able
to kind of get their thoughts togetherbecause obviously it was like they were playing

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against the Service Academy. That wasnot the offense that they anticipated seeing,
regardless of who played quarterback. Andyou might think, well, what adjustments
you have to make? You lineup your eleven people, and you go,
well, there's a little bit moretechnical in making sure that each one
of the eleven are on the samepage, or you leave a gaping hole

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somewhere right exactly those things a lottimes in August camp, and you and
Springs some too. You always lookat the unusual things you may see,
for example, unbalanced line when doesthat they go heavy on one side,
you know, and just a tiedin a guard on that Oregon a couple
of years ago when they came inhere in Ohio State never adjusted. Yes,

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So there's things like that and optionattack. You always when you put
the Dame as well on the optionsdo do do? But the more defenses
you run is tough to cover everyaspect of that. Yeah. I also
thought Denzel Burke, who again it'sone game and it was Indiana, but
the opportunities that he had to breakup plays without committing past interference and breaking

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on the ball correctly, he didthat. To me, if you're looking
for good signs, that was agood sign. Granted, Jeff, this
is like, you know, ashort quiz and the exam is coming in
a couple of weeks when Sam Hartmanis the quarterback and Notre Dame receivers.
But looking for positive I thought heplayed really well. Yeah. It was
refreshing that he wasn't a liability andthat's kind of the way it's been for

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the last couple of seasons. He'sa freshman All American and then kind of
went south from there, and we'reexpecting to see that Denzel Burke that we
saw as a freshman excel and hewas certainly not a liability to the defense
like he's been before. Yeah.Who would have thought? Who would have
thought our leading Russia for the daywould have been Chip training him, you

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know. And our top receiver interms of yards Kate Stover. H I
know, Kate Stover was the offensiveplayer of the game. Yeah, yeah,
and deservedly so. And you know, one of the things that I
thought was unique is Ohio State wasattempting to take Indiana out of the defense

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that they wanted to play. Ifyou notice when they got on the right
hash mark, they were going heavyinto the boundary. What I mean by
that is they were loading up twoor three receivers into the short side to
the field, which is not normallywhat you do. You put him to
the field the open area. Butthe guy they had in the open area
was our number eighteen, Marvin HarrisonJunior. And what we were trying to

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do was to get forced them intosingle coverage over there, but they kept
rolling the nickelback over onto that side, and they made a concerted effort that
they were not going to allow eighteento get the football. I don't care
how He is the best receiver inAmerica. There is no doubt about that.
But if you're going to commit thatmuch defense, you can shut him

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down, which is what they did. But it does open up other things
in cage Stover. I guess mylong story or long explanation to the solution
was that he became the guy thatwas the beneficiary of being open because of
the commitment they were making on eighteenRyan, they said they had Marvin eight

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targets they wanted to hit him,but they took some of those away,
but like he said, at leastelse. Yeah, you can be a
part of the show always by Iam on Twitter and very active and I
have my Twitter open right now soyou can make a comment. A lot
of you do, either during gamesor during the week to me, and

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I have a list of those here. But I'm at at Matt McCoy radio.
And also I gotta tease this andI'll get to it later in the
show, but we have not onlygreat listeners, guys, but super smart
listeners. I got an email fromDale that he asked a question about that
was answered today and so we'll fillyou in on that coming up later.
But in terms of our Bucks lineTwitter, you were talking about the boundary,

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running to the boundary and the receiversto the boundary. I got this
from Brad question for the paddle.I have noticed this before, but it
happened a lot against Indiana. Whydoes day call running place so much to
the short side of the field.The backs many times run out of room.
I noticed this a lot on Saturday. Go Bucks. Is that,

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guys, is he equating numbers inmy rudimentary skills? We have more blockers.
It's math, Yes, it ismath, That's what it is.
You know, there's less defensive guysfrom the hash mark over to the out
of bounds. Yes, there's lessroom, but there's less defensive players.
And so I will tell you thisas a running back, hated running into

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the boundary. I wanted the wideopen spaces, yes of wyoming, you
know, just to be able togo out there and fly. You know,
that's what I wanted to do.Running into the boundary is restrictive,
but if you go back and look, that's where you can really break some
big plays because the numbers are alot lower. And welcome back to Buck's

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Line. Matt McCoy along with coach, Bill Conley, and Jeff Logan.
As we continue talking Buckeyes with you, Roy Hall will be coming up shortly
as he finished up his work asa coach at Gahannah. Short segment here
and then after the bottom of thehour will open up the phone lines if
you want to call six one,four, eight to one WTVN at six
one four eight two one nine eightysix more of your Twitter questions. This

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is uh from Carl. I thinkBuckeye fans need to give Kyle McCord time
to develop. He made some mistakes, but also made some nights throws.
What does the panel think about hisfirst game? What areas do you think
he needs to grow the most?Love the show and go box. And
that's from Carl. Bill. Whatdid you see from Karbocord? You know,
if you had asked me his performance, I would say it was solid.

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I can't say it was real good, can't say his average is solid.
He did what first time quarterback probablyis expected to do. But he's
not ce J Strout. He hadn'tsee J. Stroud if you remember right
in his first start, I guessI believe it's Minnesota correct. He had
a very average start. But thething he threw the one pick, which
was a mistake obviously, but hehad sixty one percent completion percentage, which

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is pretty good. But as we'retalking, we made the offense look bad
ad or look worse than it reallywas. We only had seventeen percent third
down efficiency last year. In twentytwenty two we were forty five percent.
So that made a thing look alittle uglier than what it really was.
Yea, And I think some ofthat third down failure came with the ultra

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conservative play calling on first downs,if you know they I thought they went
into the game trying to protect thequarterback a little bit, like we thought,
don't let him make you know,don't put him in a tough situation
mess up the ferraris, yeah,I think. But I think what happened,
though, Matt, is that bybeing so safe, by being so

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conservative, that you've forced a lotof third and longs. You know,
you're not gonna I don't care whatoffense you have. If you've got a
bunch of third nines, then you'regonna get two out of twelve. I
mean, that's just football, that'swhat it's all about. But you've got
to do a better job on firstdown. And if they're going to load
the box like they were doing onfirst down, you've got to find a

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way to get your quarterback, eitherto roll out of the pocket or find
a receiver on a quick in routeor something. Get the ball out fast,
bubble screen. I didn't see onesingle throw out into the flat that
looked like a bubble screen kind ofthing. We ran the inside handoff the
jet sweet one time, I thinkinto yeah, but but I didn't see

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us really testing them on the perimeter, getting the ball out quickly there and
letting our guys go out and makeplaces. Now I maybe be mistaken,
but I don't remember enough of that. Yeah, I don't remember. We
talked about Treyvon Henderson. One ofthe things he did so well sketch the
ball in the backfield early in hiscareer, and there was no real halfback
screens or anything like that. I'msure for LEAs as you just said,

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Jeff, to keep it safe forCole McCord. You know, they didn't
want to show a lot this firstgame. And welcome back to Buck's Line,
Matt McCoy, along with our bestBuckeye coverage football analyst, coach Bill
Conley, former Buckeye running back JeffLogan, and our man Roy Hall has
just arrived from coaching at Ghannah,and we'll be with us for the rest

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of the show as we continue totalk about eyes with you and Roy brought
in cookies. So, I mean, you know, isn't that a requirement
if even though it is an excusedtardiness as he told us during the year,
he's going to be late on someThursdays because of coaching. But I
believe it is a requirement that evenif you're tardy for an excuse reason,
you have to bring food. Ithink so do you appreciate you following through

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and you have to if you walkin late? You need food. Yes,
pregame meal, chocolate chip cookies arealways good, that is for sure.
For sure. He used to bringyour teachers an apple. No elementary
school. But here's the problem withyou would bring on McDonald's warm boog bag
apple from a teenager or elementary school. You know how dirty kids hands are.

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Ye, if you're a teacher,like thank you, I'm gonna just
put this here. That's why Iwas always on the desk because that yeah,
no way you remember when you're alittle kid. You got trick or
treating it somebody, but like apple, you know what house it is too?
Oh yeah, And then then peopleget the rumor spreads over the course
of a few years, like it'slike passed down from like little kay.

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Don't go to that house because theygive out apples, so nobody ever goes
yea. And the opposite is truetoo, that dude gives out full candy
bars, candy King size eminem bags. Yeah, I remember that. For
sure. We are gonna do morethan talk about food here, but I
do want to say to our friendAndy at Schmidt's, fat Boy gets the

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Fat Boy is a Winner Boys sandwich, and it is on their menu at
Schmid's. And I'll tell you thefirst that I went, Yes, thank
you Schmids for the Blowney's belogging thesandwich. Yes, because the first time,
I don't know how Let's called it, It's called eight give me maybe
I was older and Mom said Ihad to go in the grocery store and

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buy bologney. There's no way,there's no way you know how to spell
bologney if you've never spelled blog andnever say it. And you just and
I saw it and I'm like,that's not it, but it looks like
it, but it's not it becausebecause it's not the same, and so
like I think I ended up gettingit and learned how to spell belogney like

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that day. But for about fiveminutes, I was confused, are you
kidding me? Belogney? That's notthat's not right. It's not like,
how do you even teach our language? Like it's just so many like tricks
and like, come on anyway,Yeah, I just remember that. Good.
By the way, a great coachingjob done by the Hannah football coaching
team last week, down twenty oneto seven in that football game. Yeah,

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and like you said, Roy sathere and said it was because at
the opening of the new stadium hetold us off of the air that we
didn't have the normal week of practice. It was different, and they respond
though it was it was in thesecond half we had to come out.
You know what was coolest part issecond half. You know, the sun
goes down, is dark our lightsin the stadium, you score a touchdown,

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they blink on and off. Ohthat's a new thing. And I
didn't know what was happening. Youthought stadium lights are off. And then
it's Oh, that's the thing.I've seen it at a couple of different
high schools where if they're flashing thelights. Ye, and that's kind of
part of the celebration. First timeI saw it, I thought the same
thing. We've lost power. It'sa problem. That was good. We

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came back that Liberty team. Theyfought, They fought like heck in the
first half. In the second half, we just we had We had a
Cam Fraser, senior defensive back receiver, sixty five yard touchdown return for a
touchdown, seventy five yard fumble recovery, kind of where you stripped it,
kind of like a Marie correaction.I heard, seventy five yards, took

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it to the house, had onehundred and twenty yards and kickoff returns,
had two interceptions. Wow. Yeah, So you got regular Chris Campbell.
Yeah, yeah, he was Hedid his thing there. All right,
let's go to the phones and aguy that definitely is not full of blowney,
our friend Jim. Jim is ourfirst caller here on Buck's Line.
Jim, what's on your mind?Well, first of all, you guys

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are making me hungry. Last week. Last week it was the fifth sandwich
with extra tartar. That didn't enticeme. But this week the blogey sounds
minute, Jim, did you really? But the Belogney sandwich entices you over
a fresh fish filet with extra tartarfor McDonald's. Oh absolutely, you're talking

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about Schmid's versus McDonald's. Roy,I gotta go with Jim. No,
see, I'm taking Schmid's on McDonald'stwo. Yeah, but the over blowney
There you go. Yes, Hey, Roy, my seafood diet consists of
nothing but fist sticks. So Ican't. I can't. I can't really
tell you too much about him McDonaldthe Fifth Team. There you go,

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there you go. What's on yourmind? Jim? I got a question
about the running back room. Iknow we've all been concerned about Kyle mccordon
so forth then, but my questionabout the running back room is obviously Trevion
Henderson's the number one man, itseems like, but we've got Mayan Williams,
Evan pryor whatever happened to this poorguy. I mean, he get

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hurt last year and we never gotto see him. DLin Hayden we saw
just for one play, but chiptrain him or one series. I guess
it was Chip Train him who comesin. It's a portal transfer guy,
you know, comes in, asI guess was primarily going to be a
linebacker. But he's done a goodjob as a running back there, don't

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don't get me wrong there. Imean he had a good gay and so
forth. But there was also aguy last year that got hurt. I
think his name was Coffee or somethinglike that. Yeah, yeah, he
is a walk on and actually hestill hurt. He was on the unavailable
left list last week. But he'sthe one that had a crazy touchdown run
in a blowout game at the end. But he's he is far down the

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depth chart, THRO would Jim,That's what I figure. But then I
wondered about others too, And Ijust wondered what your thoughts were about the
pecking order, which you think itshould be, and where do you think
Evan Pryor fits into it? Anddo you think he's going to get a
shot this year? Okay, letme add to this because I have a
tweet from Chuck and Jeff, you'rebeing the resident running back in the room.

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Chuck says, what is Jeff's readon Trevion Henderson? He had some
good moments, but I thought hemissed some holes. Train him was more
patient and seemed to be more effectivein my opinion, should he get more
carries? So with all of that, what Jim said the tweet from Chuck,
what do you think, Jeff,Well good questions, and I would
say this, you know, westart talking about maybe the deepest running back

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room in the country in terms ofreturning experience and that sort of thing.
The problem with that is we don'thave the necessarily the from last year's experience,
the go to who's the number oneguy? There were twenty seven carries
between the top three guys, trainthem, Henderson and Mayan Williams, and

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I think on the day you're goingto expect twenty five to thirty carries out
of that tailback spot. I mean, I think that's the right number to
have in terms of the carries.And I think we're going to see,
at least in the first few weeksof this season, we're going to see
those split up among those guys becauseI think they want to try and keep
them healthy. You know, theydon't want and they're banging every game against
Youngstown State and they don't last yearwhere they got to the end of the

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game, end of the season,the most important in theirs. We're out.
Yeah, the shelf was empty atthe end of the year, so
I wouldn't be too concerned about whois carrying the football. What I want
to look at is the production fromthose running backs that are out there.
And you know, the only gapinghole that I saw missed was the quarterback

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draw and bold prediction before the gamewas a quarterback running for a touchdowns and
it was right there. I'm gonnatell you what, if it gives you
any idea Matt McCoy would have scored. That hole was so wide open.
Even Matt mc in his speedo wouldhave scored on that play. So we're

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okay, Jim, I think we'llbe okay. Yeah, Evin Pryor,
do you think Evan Pryors still gotit opportunity? Well, I you know,
I think one of the three guysahead of him, we're gonna probably
get dinged up before he gets anopportunity to get in the game. You
know, there's I don't think youcan go with four and quite frankly,
you gotta go with what you knowat this point, and maybe Evan Pryor

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fits in and some formation that they'vegot, maybe in a wildcat kind of
a deal that get in the football. But right now, I think you
got to concentrate on getting the footballto the three guys. It appears to
me, though, that Mayan Williamsis the Pete Johnson of this football team,
and he's going to be your designatedscore once you get inside the five
yard line. It certainly looked thatway, Jim, Thanks for the call.

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Appreciated. The other thing I wouldsay is, you know, you
talk about Evan Pryor, but DylanHayden at the end of last year,
remember the Maryland game. He hadthis huge Maryland game, and you know
it's getting carries actually in the nationaltitle game and he I mean, I
think it's gonna be hard for EvanPryor to get opportunities if Dylan Hayden's not
getting opportunities. Bill. Yeah,I remember a year ago we're sitting here

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talking about the great depth at therunning back position, and like you're saying,
Jeff, at the end of theseason, we're looking for people because
people get dinged up and everything.I mean chip training, I mean average
seven yards of carry, and Ithought he did a very good job Arena's
blocks, and sometimes he kind ofhoned it down a little bit until it
opened up. So, you know, there are different style running backs each

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one of them. You know,it's interesting. Roy. One of your
former teammates, Maurice Clarette, duringthe game on Twitter, tweeted out Chip
Trainer's running style reminds me of me, with his patience and everything like that.
Do you see that he well?He also said like it's not hard
to see who should be the startingtailback talking about Chip Training and so he

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seemed to be really impressed. Ithink it's just the explosive place he does
have a little bit more patient running. It's kind of interesting. It almost
feels like he's running without pressure onhis back, like you know what,
at this point, we're expecting himto do well considering you know, he
was the go to guy in theMichigan game. But I think he's more

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running like, you know what,I'm just gonna do exactly what I'm coached
to do. I may not haveas much experience as these other guys,
but there's no pressure. If you'remine, will You're like, man,
I want to be the guy,right. It's good to score touchdowns.
But if you're not getting your yardsper carrious three yards or for whatever it
may be. And if you're Travon, you're like, man, I need
this to be my big comeback year. You're running with a different type of

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like I want to pop the bigone. He's more like, I'm just
gonna see what happens, and I'mathletic enough to get it done. It's
a reason why he was voted likeI don't know if it was thirty four
or fifty four, like freakish freakishathletes by whoever it puts out the post
every year, but him, MarvinHarrison Junior, and I think CJ.
Hit somebody else was in there aswell. Oh Sunny Styles was in there.
But they picked Chip as being oneof the like craziest athletes in college

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football. So he's showing what hecan do, and I know that coach
Tony is looking at that like hey, man, like we're gonna give you
some more reps. Yeah, Andthe thing that we don't see is what
happens Monday through Friday in preparation.And if you give Tony Alfred one lack
of confidence, view you missed aread on a pass block. You know

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you didn't do whatever your responsibility was. All of a sudden, that guy
who's third, fourth or fifth,you're out of the equation because that coach
can't trust you that week. Andyou've got to have a great week of
preparation if you're going to get pluckedto be able to go out there on
the field. From bucks Line comingup next hour, don't forget Bill Conley's

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No Vine Enemy on Youngstound State willbe coming up. We continue the conversation
after this bucks Line a service theLegacy Retirement Group on News Radio six ten
WTVN. I want to thank everybodyfor your input both on social media,
over the phone and emails. Iam going to share an email that I
got on Monday and just proves howsmart our listeners are because it was proven

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correct today and I'll explain that comingup when we hit that email. But
on Twitter. I'm at at MattMcCoy radio and this one comes from Mark
with a continued expansion of college football. Are the days of games? This
week? Ohio State playing a paycheckgame for Youngstound State coming to an end.
We talked a little bit about thatlast week, Youngstound State of course

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coming and Jim Tressell, as presidentof Youngstound State, able to arrange this
game. But Bill, there maybe Mark maybe right. There is a
shortage of space is on a schedulenow when you are expanding to twenty teams
in the conference. We'll see howthe Big ten works it out and who
has to play who and all thatstuff. But he could be right.
This could be the end of yourin state rivalry games. Yeah, and

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some big checks smaller schools will notget. I mean the Young Sound State,
for example, they played last weekValprizo. Now Valpo is a Division
one non scholarship, so that meansthe athletes like Division three players, correct,
So they played up to the YoungSound State. Young Sound State now

(29:32):
playing up to us. But you'reright, those days maybe comington end with
the expansion of the conferences. Youknow. The one thing that's going to
determine that though, method I thinkis important to understand is and the Big
ten hasn't decided what they're gonna do, is how many conference games are you
going to play? Right right now, the SEC is locked in on eight,
so that gives you plenty of space, plenty of space to have these
paycheck games. And we're all criticalof what the SEC does. With a

(29:55):
twelve team playoff, you don't haveto load up your schedule with a bunch
of really good football teams. Youhave to do it anymore. If you're
Ohio State or Michigan or Penn State, you know that we're saying these paycheck
games are over. I would challengeyou to suggest, with a twelve team
playoff system, pad Win, whyare we going to play ten conference games

(30:18):
against good teams? That's still right. What Jean Smith has said clearly is
is that their goal is to haveone Power five, big name team in
their non conference on an yearly basis. Some home and home situations that they're
going to do all right, Butbeyond that, they're going to fill it
as they have filled it in thepast. And if we go to eight,
it's going to be worse than that. So are these games aren't going

(30:41):
away anytime soon? I got abulletin for you. Well that's good,
all right. Well, when wecome back again, our number two of
bucks line, don't forget bills comingup with No. Nine enemy on Youngstown
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(31:03):
best Buckeye coverage analyst Jeff Logan,Bill Conley, and Roy Hall our number
two as we get you ready forOhio State and Youngstown State. It is
a noon kickoff Saturday. It ison the Big ten Network. We are
live with our first on location pregameshow of the year. We are live
at the Points on Lane Avenue startingat nine in the morning with our best

(31:26):
Buckeye coverage pregame show before Ohio Stateand Youngstown State. We'll take you right
up to the noon kickoff and thenwe are back on the noon games.
The early games we oh I don'tknow where that came from. On the
early games, we have a postgameshow and so we will have that for
you after the game as well.So I have no idea what's playing on

(31:49):
our on the radio right now.We are not flipping formats the country.
I promise you that. Why not? So that was that was a delayed
reaction by our Can we get thatpotted down so we can talk all right?

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I have no idea what's on theair right now all right, there
we go. All right, we'reback. Obviously a little technical problem with
our computer there. So anyway,but Saturday joined US nine o'clock in the
morning with the best Buckeye coverage pregameshow. Now, I teased going into
the break that we have some verygood and very smart listeners. So I

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got an email, and you canemail me, you know, whenever,
But my email address is Matt McCoyat iHeartMedia dot com. Dale is a
good listener who I met out atour Beat Michigan thing in Ghannah last year
that set up for the Driven Foundation, and he emailed me this. The

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first part of it is a commentand the second one was a question that
got answered today. I understand thatdefenses will be trying to take Marvin Harrison
and or Mecca Obuk away, butI was shocked to see how little we
even targeted them Saturday. It's notjust that they had a quiet day.
I was surprised that they were givenso few opportunities. And then he asked,
did Indiana do something or was thissome kind of a failure of the

(33:25):
game plan? And then here hewrites this secondly, and I am in
my sixties and have been an avidBuckeye and football fan my whole life.
I don't understand why the Marvin Harrisontouchdown was ruled in complete. My understanding
of the rule has always been thatif the defender engages the receiver and forces
them out of bounds on the sideline, they can re establish themselves in bounds

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and still be eligible to make acatch. I am sure I have seen
that play before when the catch hasbeen allowed. Have they changed the rule
or I've been incorrect in my rule? In ter all the best and go
Buck go Buck's Dale. Today,Ryan Day said on his radio show that
he got a call from the BigTen and the Big Ten officials aired that

(34:12):
they look after looking at it,the defensive back pushed him out of bounds.
Marvin Harrison had gotten back inbounds,re established himself in bounds, caught
the touchdown. It should have beenallowed. Roy as a receiver, if
you found out you had a touchdowncatch that the officials screwed up and took
it away from you, what wouldyou reaction at this point? Nothing still

(34:36):
had two for eighteen, Like,that's that's the piece right there, two
for eighteen. Now it should havecounted. It didn't count, but it
wasn't like it was at the endof the football game where we needed it
for to win. It didn't costthe game or anything. Yes, However,
having watched the play, it's notlike the defensive back shoved him out.

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It probably was the easy your pathto get to what Marvin wanted to
get to on that that go routeor that fade route. But to me,
it kind of played into the narrativeof we just didn't look crisp,
we weren't locked in the way.You still think that was Marvin's fault.
I don't. I don't necessarily thinkit was Marvin's. Well, he did
it. He committed the infraction,so to speak. So yes, it's

(35:22):
his fault. I just don't.It didn't happen last year. There was
no time where we like Marvin didsomething to where we didn't or where we
were like now, he messed thatup. Even if he knew the rule,
which he probably knows the rule,in my opinion, he didn't have
to go out out of bound likehe just didn't have to. He could

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he could have skimmed him inside orwhatever it may be. Specifically, because
it was three steps, it wasn'tlike he went out, I was like,
one, two, three, I'mback in. Even when they took
the touchdown the way, he justwas like, all right, whatever.
I just don't think that this pastgame we were all the way locked in

(36:04):
as we should. If you arethe man and you're coming back, you
don't realize what you had. It'sgone. And when they were like c
J. Stroud's got named the captainfor the Houston Texans, I bet you
after that game, Marvin Harrison waslike, man, I remember when he
was one for us, right?Because he's missing there needs to be and

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you could tell that. Here's theother thing. I know, this is
a long answer to a short question. That relationship between Kyle and Kade is
letting you know how lack of thelack of experience that Kyle McCord has because
he's going to a tight end.That's your security blanket. I'm going to
that guy, and I see thatguy. I'm going to that guy.

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Getting the ball to the outside isa risk right now for a quarterback.
That absolutely and so we need tomake sure we get that union tightened up
before before we do anything else.You know, one thing I look at
a quarterbacks and I'm no guru onhow to play that position, but the
one thing that I look at iswhere their head goes as soon as they
start looking downfield. And what Isaw to your point with Kade Stover is

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that Kyle McCord, in my opinion, and I think this is common in
a new quarterback getting started is notreally looking off the receiver that he wants
to go to or going through progressions. Coach, what are your thoughts on
that? I guess exactly right.Ryan Day said in the press conference,
he said, we did a lotof one to two going from one to

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two. We didn't get to seethe whole field. We didn't get the
one, two, three, andmaybe even four. Well, there was
one play. I don't know ifyou guys remember this, and Gary Danielson
pointed it out. By the way, I kind of like that CBS as
the contract. I know, Iknow they weren't perfect, but I kind
of enjoyed Brad Nessler and Gary Danielsonon that anything that doesn't include Gus Johnson

(38:00):
but Gary improvement. Gary Danielson pointedout on one's leg, how you call
his first and last name, andI'm I'm waiting he is going to call
the station one day. I am, I am, I'm shocked it took
our second show for you to mentionJohns. That's right. But there was

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a play and I can't remember whohe threw underneath to. It may have
been a Bucca. He only gota couple of catches too. Yeah,
but he threw short to him,and Gary Daniels said, boy, if
he holds that one second, andhe showed Marvin make an out and up
move and he was wide open likeif he He said, that's gonna come

(38:42):
with experience. That's a place cJ. Stroud is gonna eat up.
Yes, uh, And so Iguess that just Roy comes with reps.
It comes with reps. They gottathey gotta have like a here, let
me let me read them to you. Did you know, uh that Dolphins
have bromances in which both of theguys they pair up and they could pare
it for as long as fifteen yearsand they're best friends and they help each

(39:06):
other get females. Wow, Yeah, Dolphins do that. That's awesome.
I need Kyle and Marvin and aMecca to just formed this bromance and they
need to stick together. They didn'tknow where each other is where they're going,
how they're getting there. They needto do everything together so that this
relationship evolves over this season, sothat when we're in week ten, week

(39:28):
eleven, week twelve, when itreally matters, these conversations we're having right
now is Wow, there's a Meccawide up and Nope. He saw Marvin
going on and out and up andhe hit it. So we need him
to grow. But this is alsointeresting because both quarterbacks were going to play
this week again and probably again nextweek, and so it's gonna be hard
to develop that relationship if you've gotmultiple guys rotating in and rotating out.

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Can I ask you guys this we'retalking about Knival Cord and again, going
back to our first segment, hisdebut was fine. It wasn't. I
don't think you know, there's peoplejumping off a cliff. I think we
saw enough. There were mistakes,like CJ made mistakes in the first game,
but I think we saw enough thatyou see the potential there. He's
just got to grow into it.He's got to get better. If he
doesn't get better, then you know, obviously we're gonna have conversations down the

(40:15):
road. But a play that I'mwondering, and I was wondering you guys
having played if I am reading thisright. But the fourth down play where
he threw the interception across his body, obviously you know that's cardinal rule,
don't throw across your body. Itwas fourth down, though, and he's
trying to make a play, soI understand. But I thought he came

(40:36):
off of Chip train him too soon. Chip got knocked off his feet coming
out of the backfield. He wasthe primary receiver. But if you as
they let the play run, youknow Kyle still rolling out. I thought
Chip was coming open, and Ithought he threw it too soon. There
was pressure coming, but it wasn'tin his face yet. I thought he

(40:58):
still had time to get that ballout there to Chip. I don't know
what it is, but on thefootball field, when you see somebody fall,
they're down forever. It's like yousee no seriously, when they go
down. I got just down unlesssomethings of all, like if you slip.
That's why they would tell the receiversall the time, you cannot slip,
you cannot fall. You can't slipbecause once you go down to court,

(41:20):
he's down. Like we don't havetime to see if you got back
up and transition once you go understand. Oh absolutely, yeah. So I
mean it was fourth down that you'retrying to make a play. It's still
a bad It looks bad because that'sall they kept highlighting the entire time.
But yeah, once a guy goesdown, he's like, I'm not waiting
for you to get back up,man. You know, I think one
of the stats that kind of shinesout to me is that we didn't have

(41:42):
a touchdown pass right in the game. I asked the question, Matt if
we was the last time under RyanDay Northwestern actually last year two hundred and
eighty yards because offense in that game, because the sixty five mile on hour
wins. Yeah, and there wasno touchdown pass in that game. Yeah.
Other than that, it hasn't happenedvery long. So under normal conditions,

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right, do we run into anyissue where Marvin Harrison disconnects emotionally from
this offense? You know, Iknow he's a great athlete, great competitor,
great dude, And maybe we savedthis for the next segment. Well,
no, I was just gonna say, Doug an email or kind of
has a question along with that.So so what do you I mean,
is it possible if he's a twop eighteen, two p eighteen, two

(42:29):
p eighteen, that it's checking outNFL? I don't, I don't.
I don't see him checking out becausehe's always been in pro. It's going
to be a lot harder this year, specifically with people circling our offensive line
as a weaker link. So guyscould play a little bit more over the

(42:51):
top. If I was playing abug, guys, that's what I would
do. I would take now atthis point, cover three. Oh yeah,
I'm gonna stay over the top everythingunderneath, and I'm a forced you
to run the football, which isfine, which is what you probably want
to do anyway. But I'm notletting Marvin Harrison Junior beat me. I'm
not. I'm And so he's gonnahave to get used to these different types
of coverages. Now, there's gonnabe a lot of people to make mistakes,
and you're gonna have cocky defenses thatfeel like they can play man to

(43:15):
man, but I will play overtop of them all the time. I
don't think he checks out because heknows how to be a pro. But
it is gonna be a much morechallenging season. What about Ameca at Buka?
Can they get him more involved too, because you could argue that,
you know, those are your twoof your best, if not the two
best offensive weapons you have on theteam. Bill, Yeah, exactly right
now. I think moving them around. I think we're using motion. Jeff

(43:37):
mentioned you a Mecca come around onit, Jeff, Sweep things like that
to open them up some more.I know. The one thing it'll probably
do is make sure as a widereceiver they really sharpen up their routes and
you know, slide to the openspace. Give him a chance. Yeah,
but that will come with, youknow, experience. That's just like
Marvin again, Marvin going out ofbounds in that fade, like we can't

(43:59):
have we for an inexperienced quarterback,you have to be perfect on everything.
You can't just kind of go throughthe motions where Hey, man, I
knew you were doing this. Ithought it's going to be a different year
for those guys earlier in the seasonwhen you have a new guy back there,
I want to do I'm going toshorten the email, but Ron sent
an email about about targeting and basicallyquestioning again the inconsistency of the rule.

(44:27):
And there was a play where CarnelTate, who by the way, got
in the game. We were wonderinghow much he would play. He played
a lot more than Davy Johnson,but he had a reception. He was
actually losing the ball before he gothit. And there was helmet the helmet
contract contact. They actually brought itup in CBS and no call. I

(44:47):
don't know what to say about targeting, Jeff. It just seems like it's
an inconsistently called thing. To Ron'spoint on the email, there's games where
I would have seen that called.There's games where I wouldn't have seen a
call. We just happen to havea crew that didn't whistle down there because
it is by rule that should havebeen a targeting penalty in my opinion.
Boy, you know, anytime youhave helmet to helmet contact in a violent

(45:09):
sport like this, are you gonnathrow the flag? I mean it happens
routinely. You know, they talkabout launching, they talk about a player
being in a exposed, you know, can't protect himself kind of a situation.
There are those that are obvious andthat there are those that if they
just start calling it all the time. I think it's going to ruin the

(45:30):
game of football. I was justabout to say, what is targeting and
what is speeding? No one knows? Yeah, right, I mean,
sometimes you see somebody fly by youdoing eighty seventy like he's getting put over.
Sometimes you find yourself doing seventy sixseventy seven in the sixty five and
you see a trooper and you're like, you're gonna get me? Are you

(45:50):
looking at rearview? Nothing? Yeah, And then there are other times where
you're doing like seventy three and it'slike Simon's on, depending on it just
depends, like you just don't know. But to your point, if you
start calling everything, you're gonna slowthe game down and there's a lot of
people gonna get ejected. To doyou think, do you think there's an
adjustment by the way you talk aboutslowing the game down rules? I thought
that was the most apparent rule changethat in the targeting rule within the last

(46:15):
few years or two things, AndI thought it felt noticeably different this week.
This past week, it seemed liketo me, the first half flew
by, you know, slowed downa little bit in a second and a
half. I know one thing theyhad to get to commercials in so you
would call all of those, butI thought it made a huge difference.
LA coach Chip Kelly at halftime.Yeah, he said, I hope you

(46:37):
guys are getting a lot of moneyfor your commercials. Because paraphrasing, but
I hate these clock rules. It'sgoing to take some time to really see
what the impact of this is goingto be. Because statistically, I want
you to be aware that last yearOhio State average sixty seven offensive plays a
game. You know what I maythey had against Indiana Saturday, sixty seven
Wow on the button. Now wherethere was a difference, Indiana had fifty

(47:01):
two. Now, what that didis that got our defense off the field
and created more possessions for the offense. But even with more possessions, it
only equaled sixty seven plays. Sothis is going to take some time before
it becomes obvious. But to mebuild to your point, it clearly in

(47:22):
that first half and again the announcementswere making such a big point that everybody
was aware of what was going on, to the point where Gary Danielson's telling
the Indiana quarterback slow down, Yeah, slow down and tell them the punter,
don't call for the ball, slowdown, slow down, And of
course Indiana's goal was to shorten thatgame as much as they possibly could,

(47:45):
to reduce the number of opportunities.The only way you can control that,
though, is by your defense goingout there and getting three announced. All
right, we continue to talk Buckeyeswith you. Bill's Novaine Enemy is about
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(48:05):
Young's town, state things you neverever thought you'd learn, very good hot.
We are looking forward to that comingup in about ten minutes. Matt
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pregame show on Saturday for the noonkickoff will be on the air at nine

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o'clock. Another one from email.Let me squeeze this in this short segment.
This is from Dennis after watching theOpen. I have some rapid fire
questions for the panel. Are whateverhappened to Ryan Day giving up the play?
Calling. This is not a complaint. I just never heard if he
officially did or if he's still makingdecisions. Two, I heard what a
great spring and camp c J.Hicks ad, but barely saw him Saturday.

(48:50):
What does he have to do toget on the field? And Three
looking at the positives, I wasvery encouraged by the defense. I didn't
see many mistackles and saw improvement inthe secondary, especially from Denzel work.
In your opinion, was a goodOhio State defense Saturday or bad Indiana offense?
Thanks and gold bucks. And that'sfrom Dennis. Want me to pick
one out. Let's pick the oneout with the CJ. Hicks. First

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of all, the linebackers played fantastic. Steel chambers leading tackler Tommy played good.
But even Cody Simon, who wouldbe the guy who expect to get
the next amount of reps, didnot get quite as men as those other
guys. And a lot of guysplayed on special teams. We don't see
them on the every every possession typeof thing. But he'll get playing.

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You know, there's a good groupof linebackers. The whole defense I thought
played out standing. I mean,they're a situation they end up not giving
up a big play again, keptthe other team out of the red zone
the entire four quarters, and swarmedthe ball much better tackling in space.
The only thing that didn't do isget a turnover. But I don't know
if there was that men opportunity.CJ. Hicks's problem is steal Chambers and

(49:59):
Tommy I can playing at a highlevel. Yes, yeah, and they
both have done terrific last year andthey look good again on Saturday. And
I think the stat I gave youon fifty two offensive plays for Indiana had
some impact on that as well.There weren't there You don't have time to
rotate other guys. There weren't thatmany reps. Quite honestly, they did
rotate a lot of guys in onthe defensive line. Canoe comes to a

(50:20):
lot of different players. Larry played, Larry Johnson played on defensive indifensive tackles
that's exceptional, yep. And Jamesmackenzie made as all world name. He
wrote canoe, Hey how about that? And he made made a tackle.
Let me the last question that Dennisasked Roy, do you think that was
good Ohio State defense or just abad Indiana offense? I don't want to

(50:45):
talk about defense, Dennis. I'mstill I'm still wondering why a Mecca had
three sixteen yards and Marvin's the onlynumbers I know are those. I need
to know what those guys hadn't.I don't know, Indie, Indiana,
I ever seen a head coach soexcited for like a field goal being made

(51:06):
by us, like he was soI mean he's animated anyway, but he
was just so exciting like that is, Hey, Mommy, I like I
fell off my bike seventeen times.It's okay, son, one day,
you're gonna learn how to ride.Like it was like this celebrates you failing
as best as we possibly can.It was unbelievable, Like he deserves better,

(51:29):
right, Like why is he soexcited about losing? Like it's just
I think our defense played is whetheryou can play on an opening day considering
we weren't as high powered on theoffensive side of the ball, Indiana,
You know, weren't they just weren't. They were shuffling quarterbacks and all that
good stuff. But I mean,our defense has some stuffs, and I

(51:51):
think our defense is going to continueto carry us. Again. We were
saying this type of thing last year. It's not until we play the games
that matter, and until we playNotre Dame and then we'll see how Penn
State goes, and then we playMichigan. Those are the games that are
gonna like tell us what we needto know about our defense. And you
better throw Luke Fickle into that mixas well, because that's going to be

(52:13):
interesting. Oh Western Kentucky. Becauseall right, I wasn't gonna bring it
up. Okay, somebody's a littlesensitive right now about it. Lass Hilltoppers
are knocking on the door. Hey, I want to ask coach because special
teams is kind of in your areaof expertise. I thought we were loose
on kick coverage, especially when ourkicker and our punter end up having to

(52:37):
make tackles on returns. Your thoughtsand our long snapper made a tackle?
Yeah, what are your thoughts onthat? I think that first of all,
you got to decide are you goingto give the guy an opportunity to
return it or not? And wesaid that guy the most dangerous player.
He's the one guy that is apreseason All Conference pick. I'll tell you

(53:00):
what. He's good And there's areason why you got to place the ball
in a spot where you can coverbetter, can't give him ball kicked down
the middle, and so you betterwork on placement if you're kicking a ball
a guy like that. It seemedjesse merco might have outkicked his coverage on
a couple of occasions. I thoughtso, and probably needs a little bit
more hang time, right exactly.Yeah, Well, the time has come,

(53:23):
Bill Conley standing by No Thine Enemy. It's coming up next as we
hear things you wanted to know anddidn't want to know. Check please about
Youngstown State. Bucks Line is backafter this I'll dose Radio six TENUTVN and
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(53:43):
former Buckeyes Jeff Logan, Roy Halland coach Bill Conley. And as we
do at seven thirty five every weekon bucks Line, it is time for
No Thine Enemy. Well, whereBill Conley regales us with some facts about
the coming back eye opponent, Thingsyou wanted to know, things you didn't
want to know about the city,the state, whatever the case may be.

(54:06):
In this case, it is YoungstownState up in north of US in
Ohio, and Bill Conley No.Nine enemy on the Youngstown State Penguins take
it away. Yep. Northeast SteelCountry talk about that a little bit.
But we said that this program youngstoundState. You know, they've had some
pretty good players there and some prettygood coaches, but they didn't they're an

(54:30):
FCS now if it may, don'tknow what FCS means like and Matt you
mentioned it used to be a onedouble A. They only have sixty three
scholarships use they can divide them upand things like that, compared to Ohio
State that has eighty five. Yep. Okay, they remember of the Missouri
Valley Conference. They've been a memberof several conferences. That's one they're with
right now. But their first gamewas in nineteen thirty eight. They haven't

(54:50):
been around that long. They lostto Geneva College over in Pennsylvania twelve to
six, but went on to winfour. They were records four and five
in the first year. Not bad, not bad at all. Some coaches
you've heard about, the great BillNarddoozy from nineteen seventy five to nineteen eighty
five. Bow Polini two thousand andfifteen twenty forgot about that? How about

(55:13):
that? But you know, Jimtrust is a man from nineteen eighty six
to two thousand and one, onehundred and thirty five fifty seven and two
and four national championships as a headcoach. And I'll tell you what,
I assume he will be here onSaturday. Yes, the stadium is called
Stanboss Stadium, better known as theIce Castle. Gets a little cold up

(55:35):
there, little snowy up here,all right. But they've had some great
players. Ron Jaworski, the greatquarterback, sixteen years in the Pro Cliff
Stout went two Super Bowl rings backingup Terry Bradshall with the Steelers. Jeff
Wilkins one of the great place kickersof all time, thirteen years in the
pros. And the world famous EdO'Neill went there, Ha ha Ed O'Neill

(55:59):
Al Bundy, Bundy real. Hewas a defensive lineman. He was a
good defensive line's so good he gotto try out with the Steelers. Wow,
how about that? He had totry to beat out a couple of
guys weren't too bad, and theymean Joe green and LC Greenwood. And
it was after that point the edelNeils sid I'm going to be an actor

(56:19):
instead. It's a lot easier,very good career choice. You know,
they have they have a rivalry,but it hadn't been played lately because Akron
went to the FBS. But theirrivalry was called the Steel Tire Trophy,
the Steel for Youngstown the tire becauseobviously Akron and Youngstown leads nineteen fourteen and

(56:40):
two in that but damn played againlately. But people do not know this.
One recursor of the NFL was inyoung cent Ohio. It was a
ap FL American Professional Football League whichlasted from nineteen eleven to nineteen nineteen,
and then the people from the onestart the NFL kind of bought them out

(57:04):
and nas nineteen twenties when the NFLstarted. Here are some teams, the
Youngstown Patricians, okay, the CantonBulldogs, and they picked Karen Quakers Pitt
Karen What Quakers, Pitt Karen Warewhere that's in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania and all
that stuff. Thriving metropolis. Theyhave a lot of veter schnitzel there.

(57:30):
Okay, Now I would tell youthe Penguins. Everybody wants to know how
the world they get the name pengwas, well, it started nineteen thirty
three before football started. Guess whathappened. The basketball team was playing West
Liberty. Is in January, coldoutside, two feet of snow on the
ground. They get on the busto go to West Liberty. No heat

(57:52):
on the bus, No heat onthe bus. They get to West Liberty.
All right, they're going to locker. No heat in the locker room.
Now you remember the basketball uniforms backthen, the real little shorts of
stuff like that. So they goout, they leave lock them go out
on the court and they're jumping aroundtrying to keep warm and stuff, and
their arms were flapping around, andthe coach of West ce Liberty said,

(58:15):
they look a bunch of penguins outthere, and that's how it started.
Oh you want cold vater sill neverokay, So I'm surprised he didn't call
him the turtles. Yeah, thereyou go. So they come back and
then they start football night there said, well, let's make this official.

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The penguins are official nickname. Sowhat they do. Get a penguin,
Yeah, penguin, a live penguin, Pete. Pete the penguin. So
they bring Pete and he lives inthe basement of one of the dorms.
Uh during the winter. In thesummer, he goes, he goes to
the zoo. This is not thisis not gonna end up good as you

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can expect. Now, I don'tknow if you know this, but if
penguin is he is classified as abird. It is the only bird that
can swim. They can go eighteenhundred feet deep and they can stand it
for twenty minutes. Pete couldn't.Pete fell into a pond on campus and
drowned. Yes, remembers young Ston, Ohio. Maybe they put some cement

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shoes. Anyway, so they fishhim out and they stuff him. Okay,
Now, they stuffed Pete the penguin, and they give him to the
present. The present put him hison his off his desk until somebody stole
him. To this day, theyhave not found him. They haven't found
Pete, but they expect some thathe will emerge from the deep darkness.

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There ever been a Pete two?Yes, there was a Pete two,
and he had but they got twomore, and they gave Pete a companion,
Penny Pete and at the penguins,okay, and they and then they
died too. I don't think theydrove. But what now the mascots they
have now are a mascot costumes.Okay, Pete and Penny Penguin. That

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is a story of how they gotthe nick name penguins. That is very
interesting. All right. Other thingsyou should know about Youngstown, for example,
other people Ray Boom Boom Man Seney, the great boxer, great boxer.
You ever watch Warner Brothers movies,all the Warner Brothers, three of
them, they're born Youngstown. Theyknow what that did, all right.

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Also Bob Davey, great football coachfrom Green Bay Packer, he played there,
played the young stound Say he's fromyoung Stown. How about a former
Ohio state coach, West Westler fromYoungstown, Bernie Cosar. Okay, and
how about Bob Mark and Mike Stoopsall from Youngstown. The entire Stoops family,

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Stops family. It is a footballrich area, for sure. It
is for sure. The Kondike bar, it was invented in Youngstown. Humor
ice cream company. All right.Now they have there's two laws. Now
they're not great laws, but theseare two laws that just just or for
Youngstown, Ohio. Is illegal torun out of gas in Youngstown. Now

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they probably figure aroun out of gas. You can't escape anyway, but it's
illegal. You can't ride on theroof of a taxi and Youngstown so you
gotta watch yourself. Yea. Atone time is called the steel capital of
the world, you know, becauseall the steel up there. But there's
other been other nicknames, not sopleasant. It's been known as a crooked

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city because of the crime at timesand the past history Little Chicago Crimetown,
USA, And in late fifties andearly sixties they had seventy five bombings,
what mob bombings and eleven mob assassinations. Now I want you all bred listen

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out there. I was not goingto mention this stuff, but Matt made
me, so don't get mad atme. If there's an association there,
I will text you his address andall that stuff, because I didn't really
want to do this. But theyhad a couple of famous people that were
assassinated there. Little Joey Naples,he was watching this house built down around
Canfield boom blew him out, allright, and then Cadillac, Charlie Cavro,

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Kevin Larrow boom car bomb all right. So it was pretty bad.
He's got better, But there atone time, there was a there was
a saying in Youngstown a barber fortwo dollars, we'll cut your hair for
three dollars, He'll go out andstart your car for you. That's the
way it is. So those aresome things about Youngstown, Ohio you did

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not know till to night. Verygood. Yes, I did know that
they are well known. I've avery close friend that grew up in Youngstown
said She's always said, that's terriblyto be known as an organized crime city
growing up in like that. Ijust I just love his transition. It
was like it was Pete two thenthey had Pete and it's like two PEngs.
They die too anyway, they gotstuff like what it was just just

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they just die. All right.Fine, So you know you talked about
Maurice Clarette earlier. Youngstown native rightwas recruited by Jim Trestle, supposedly at
at eighth grade level. Yes,right, I remember the story. And
he was still at Youngstown State atthe time, and he was recruiting him
to Youngstown State, fully knowing thatthere was no chance in the world,

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even as an eighth grader, thathe was going to be able to attract
somebody with that much talent to goto Youngstown State. Yeah, but that
sounds like trust developing relationships. Nokid, he can go anywhere, and
I'm possibly could see this kid oneone day, and if he hadn't,
he probably wouldn't come here. Iremember how risky people fought that higher was

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of Jim Tressell. I know youwere on that search committee at that time.
I was going to take full credit, but there were a lot of
There were a lot of talking headsthat were out there saying, I can't
believe O hire States doing this.You're hiring a one double A coach and
it could not have worked out better. Was there on the committee? Was

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there discussion like that funny bunny?I mean one double A to Division one
ain't gonna work to Glenn Mason.I mean it got That's where it got
down to. I mean, Idon't gonna go pull any punches there.
It was Glenn Mason and Jim Trussell. And the safe choice would have clearly
been Glenn Mason because he had coachedit Kansas and Kent State and obviously in

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Minnesota. But Tress became He wasTress and you know what that means.
I mean he just came in.And probably the thing that signified to everyone
that this was the right decision waswhen Jim Trussell. If you go back
and look at his initial press conferencewhen he was introduced, he stood up
in front of the media and didabout an hour without one note and never

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missed a beat and that stress inall of his wisdom. Now, that
doesn't make you a good football coach, but it clearly was the fact that
this guy was confident, communicative andcould deliver. And when he made the
famous speech at Saint John Arena orwhether it was in the Shottstein Center,
I don't know, it was atthe show start that in one hund two

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hundred and seventy five days, you'regonna be whatever it was, you're going
to be proud of our football team. Didn't declare a victory, but when
we travel up north, you're goingto be proud of our football team.
Yeah. That was spectacular. Stillgives me chills, exactly. It's set
the tone, all right. Onefinal segment of bucks Line coming up as
we look at the Buckeyes and thePenguins, and we continue with bucks Line,

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a Service of Legacy Retirement group onsix ten WTVN final segment of bucks
Line here. Thanks to all ofyou. You guys make the show go
with all your comments. We appreciateit very much. Matt coil On with
Bill Conley, Jeff Logan and RoyHall. Again a reminder that the best
Buckeye coverage pregame show will start atnine in the morning on Saturday leading up

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to the noon kickoff on the BigTen Network of Ohio State in Youngstown State.
We do have a postgame show thisweek. We'll be on until five
o'clock. So join us on aBuckeye football Saturday coming up. I want
to get to some of these inmy Twitter inbox to at Matt McCoy radio
from Daniel. Is it me?Or is jtmulowau regressed? I don't see

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the playmaker we saw on the PennState game. He seemed like he was
invisible late last season, and Ithought was so so against Indiana. Daniel
Ohio State grade of the film.He was the defensive player of the game.
Four tackles, two for loss anda quarterback pressure. He drew a

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penalty on a on a holding call. I don't know. I thought he
was fine. He's not going tobe JTT of Penn State every week.
That was why not? You willprobably never see that again. Like Roy,
you were mentioning the player at Gahannahlast week that had this unbelievable game.

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Probably not going to do that tomorrow. Doesn't mean he's not a good
player. Uh, it's just youknow, he had a special game.
What JTT is fine? Right?Oh, he's perfectly fine. You know
you already said never just you alreadysaid she had to say he's he did
really well in the game. I'lljust say it that way. Okay.
The problem with Ohio State isn't theoffensive line. It isn't Kyle McCord.

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It was the play calling. Herewe go. Why was day so conservative?
I think we addressed it at thebeginning, talking a little bit about
protecting young football players, not justyour quarterback, but your offensive line.
The one thing they did make apoint of is that offensive line needs to
do a better job of communicating withone another in terms of their blocking schemes,

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because there were a lot of mistassignmentsup there. But they tried to
keep the game fairly simple, quitefrankly, and they felt they could win
the game. Get the W wasthe most important thing, not scoring seventy
points, but get the w andget the heck out of Dodge. Yeah,
and the most disappointing thing was donethe short yard of situations. You
know, a couple of times wegot caught from the backside guys going across

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the face of the backside lineman makingpenetration in the backfield. And second of
all, like you're talking about,you know, on a double team block,
when a linebacker then steps up,you got a chip off and one
of the lineman has to pick himup. They weren't getting that done.
That's what made forty four look sowide, exactly open all the time on
the blitz exactly because you've got tohave your head up as if you're engaged

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in a double team and then oneof the guys has to work off of
that double team to pick up thatblitzing linebacker. And that's going to come
with time. Yep. What shouldOhio State do if the defenses are trying
to take Marvin Harrison away to stillget him involved? So I'll ask that
to Roy. We have to winthe running game to be able to run
and be efficient running the football.Power football made them start to absolutely get

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another man another hat in a boxand give us some one on one opportunities
on the outside. In order forus to be successful on the outside,
we have to be able to runfootball. Are there are there throws that
Kyle McCord is just not willing tomake yet, right, CGA would have
Yeah. I think that goes fromthe last question, where there are certain

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play calls that we are not goingto call in certain concepts that we probably
won't see right now because of theoffense has to evolve. You can't just
go from zero to one hundred andjust say I'm gonna throw everything out for
this young guy who hasn't done thesethings, the things that he saw versus
Indiana, CJ saw two three twothree years ago and so now all of
a sudden, he's just seeing itfor the first time. It's just like

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the first time you learn how todrive. You can sit in a car
with someone as you're learning how todrive as a sixteen year old, you
get behind the wheel. He like, man, this intersection looks a little
bit different when I'm driving, andso it's a little bit different. So
you have to be cautious, whichis why you tell young people to drive
by early in the day and nightat night, so forth. And so
it's the same thing with Kyle.He has to allow the offense to come

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to him and it's going to comebased on his understanding of that offense.
One quick thing about the offensive line. You guys, Bill, we're talking
about it in your opinion. WhenRyan Day says they're correctable errors, is
it okay. We're not getting beatenphysically, We're getting beaten because of blown
assignments. Is that a fair wayto put when he talks about correctable Yeah,

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I'm sure that's why he's talking about. And the thing that he wants
and he mentioned this is best conference. He says, we gotta have a
more balanced attack. Doesn't mean alwaysfifty fifty, but it was such a
you know, it's such a differencebetween yards rushing in the yards of passing
last weeks and just Roy is exactlyright. You got to make those secondary
guys come up and be the topoff guys for runs. That's going to

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open up the pass. That's BillConley, Jeff Logan, Roy Hall,
thanks so much for joining us.Thanks to all of you. If I
didn't get to your tweet or youremail, I apologize We'll be back for
bucks Line next week right here onnews Radio six ten wtv INN. We'll
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