WEEK 4 - BYE WEEK

None

Episode Transcript

(00:03):
And welcome to bucks Line. Andboy, oh boy, it's a bye
weekend, so you would think,oh boy, what are you guys gonna
do to fill two hours. Idon't know how we're gonna fit everything in
in two hours. After last Saturdayand a lot of the social media and
emails that I've gotten this week,a lot of things to talk about from
the win over Notre Dame, positive, negative, whatever it is. But

(00:25):
that was a heck of a nighton Saturday night. And we'll talk about
that and look ahead and on theBuckeyes and talk everything college football over the
next couple of hours here on bucksLine. I'm Matt mccoyle on with our
best Buckeye coverage analysts, coach BillConley, and also Jeff Logan, and
coming up at about six thirty,Roy Hall will be here. He's,
as we've said before, coaches atGahannah and he's at their team dinner.

(00:49):
They have a big game tomorrow nightagainst New Albany. A chance to side
plug Jeff Logan here, who isdoing the New Albany Gahannah game for the
CW. Well tomorrow night, itlive at seven o'clock and I and you
get inside intel from Roy here,but not only inside intel. I said,
you're under pressure too, my son, because you guys get into her.

(01:11):
I mean you're six and oh,they're two and four. You get
in here, pe down your leg. I'm gonna I'm gonna rip you.
If your receivers aren't running those hardrights, I'm gonna tell him, that's
their coach right there there. Hewill be the Lou Holtz of and you
be the Ryan in terms of yeah, things that happened is going to use

(01:33):
a lot. Yeah, So whydon't we start there? Only because that
has been the topic as much asthe game was, probably more so the
topic has been Ryan Day and whathe said. And it's it's clear to
me after listening to this for fivedays that the delineation is this. If

(01:53):
you're an Ohio State fan who likesRyan Day or just a casual don't have
an opinion of Ryan Day, you'reprobably really good with what he said.
If you arn Ohio State fan andyou think Ryan Day doesn't know how to
run things and is an idiot,then you probably don't like what he said.

(02:14):
And if you're a national guy,it's kind of split. There are
some of the national guys I've seenthat have no problem with it. That's
college football today. Lou Holtz saidsomething. There's other national guys that I
respect for, like he should beabove that. Bill Conley, where do
you stand on Ryan day fiery postgamecomments about lou Holtz I think those were

(02:35):
very appropriate because lou Holtz challenge hismanhood. He said he wasn't a good
coat. He said he didn't coachhis players stuff. So I said,
double whammy. So I know thatRyan Day will not send lou Holtz a
Christmas card this year, but hemight send him the game ball. Yeah,

(02:57):
and Jeff, I get it.I was to tell you guys off
there. I had a good conversationwith Mike and shout out to Mike if
you're listening. Who's a Notre Damefan who didn't like it? And I
get it if you're a Notre Damefan, lou Holtz is an icon.
He's an icon in college football andyou revere him. And I you know,
if it happened the shoes were reversed, we'd probably feel differently. But
he wasn't speaking to the Notre Damefans. He wasn't speaking to Brady Quinn,

(03:22):
who also said it was bizarre,and I get why they're upset about
it, but as an Ohio Statefan and supporter, I gather you were
good with it too, Jeff.I felt like he was speaking for me
as a former player as part ofBuckeye Nation. This has been brewing for
a long time. And the factthat Ryan Day owned it from a standpoint

(03:43):
of we had a bad half twoseasons ago at the team up North,
yep and in his comments he ownedit at that point. But other than
that, I think he feels likehe has coached and developed a team that
is tough, that plays hard,doesn't quit. And I you know that

(04:03):
that was my concern. If I'ma Notre Dame fan, I got a
whole hell of a lot more tobe worried about than what Ryan Day said
after the game. How about gettingeleven guys on the freaking field? I
was just going to see you.Marcus Freeman should send you He should send
a thank you note to Ryan Day, because everybody's talking about what Ryan Day
said about lou Holtz instead of himscrewing up, him screwing up and only

(04:29):
having ten guys on the most importantplay of the game. And also not
knowing the rule about substitution because hecould have brought somebody in because train him
came train him came in, Sothe defense is allowed to substitute. And
Marcus Freeman was fully aware they onlyhad ten on the field because his comment
was, I didn't want to takea penalty at that point. We didn't

(04:49):
need to take a penalty in thefirst place. But taking a penalty would
have been the least of their problems. Having nobody on that defensive line on
the right side was was a majorproblem. And again they did it the
week before against Tennessee State. Right, that is unforgivable once twice. It
should cost you your job. Yeah, whoever's in charge, I'm saying Marcus

(05:13):
Freeman should be fired, But whoeveris responsible for groupings? Yep. Now,
I know there's chaos on the fieldat that moment. I mean it's
a it's a two minute drive andeverything is in a hurry. But I
still, I mean, Bill,how does the can you how does that
happen? I mean, you haveso many checks so that doesn't happen.
You have guys on the sideline,they're calling personnel, groupings out and everything

(05:36):
else. It should not happen.Tell you this. I mean I can
see it once maybe, but tohappen like three times within two weeks.
My first year coaching o House Stateand I came out in high school.
You know, I had a lotof stuff to learn yet and stuff I'll
never forget. I'm one of thefour guys up in a box. We're
playing Indiana and Bill Murray was acoach. They had a good team,

(06:00):
and they came out one time.I said, I'm up in a box.
Something that don't look right because theyhad three guys in backfield like robust
formation right quarterback, you know,and they lying and they had a flanker
outside. And I said, that'sa loving guy, or that's the twelve
guys. You can't have twelve guys. I must not be seeing it right.
None of us said anything. Idon't know. I'm sure the other

(06:21):
guys saw it. I saw itbout the young guys. I was afraid
to say anything. Absolutely. Thenext day we're watching film and it a
whirl. You look at that,Thank god. Well you guys said anything
about it that? Well, letme ask you because one of the Twitter

(06:43):
questions I got Oshu Mike says,do you know, if Ryan Day or
the offensive coaches even realized in thatlast moment that Notre Dame only had ten
minute on the field, is thatsomething you think they noticed at the moments
or you not realize it till afterwards. Well, they had to notice because
of the play they did twice ina row, and obviously, well look
where the play was, right inthe exact spot that other guy's supposed to
have been. So you think theysaw it? Absolutely? Absolutely, yeah,

(07:06):
absolutely doubt about it, you know, And they were whispering when they,
you know, to one another,they don't have twelve or eleven guys,
quick, let quick. But youknow there's something else about what Ryan
Day said. I thought I kindof caught. It's always a house sat
against the world. Remember we saidthat. Yeah, And so you know

(07:27):
he's been real calm about that stuff. But we all talk in here all
time about how when the polls comeout, seemed like a house state gets
no benefit of the doubt and stufflike that. And I think he was
letting out more than just his frustration. I agree, it wasn't just this
has been brewing, correct. Iagree he's heard it. Leu Holt said
it, and but he's heard itin other places and just like that.

(07:48):
But that was enough. And Ithink the thing that really burned him up
much. You know, nerd Damethey have a good team, but they
have not had the team though howStates had in the last few years.
And Ryan Day, as we allknow this, has a tremendous record,
and you know, I'm sure allthat frustration was part of that. Yeah,
and Lou Holtz mentioning reading off theteams that have beaten Ryan Day.

(08:11):
You know, I was like,Lou, how many of those teams could
Notre Dame have been competitive against?Like you know, or should we start
with Marshall? Yeah? Stanford?Yeah, you know, where do you
want to go with this? Youhave been irrelevant for a decade. I
mean, in all honesty, Imean they've been irrelevant. They haven't Ohio

(08:33):
State has owned Notre Dame now inthe home and home four games, all
of the bowl games. You know, they and you know it wasn't pretty
the way that it ended up.You know, should Notre Dame have intercepted
that ball and the game's over?You know they dropped an interception there guys
on the field, and does heget in if that other guy's there.

(08:54):
I don't know. They got biggerproblems than worrying about what lou Holtz was
talking about out and they better moveon from that quickly or they're gonna find
out that they're going to have theirtheir troubles. Yeah. One other thing
that I would say, just toput I don't know some context to this,
and I admit here I do notknow if this played into it at

(09:18):
all, But I'm playing junior psychologistsand that was not a character for Ryan
Day. It's just, I mean, out of character, and that he's
he's he can be fiery, butlike to attack like that was out of
character. So I'm like, whyyou know, And I think everything we've
said that he called out Ryan Dayby name, like you said Bill and

(09:41):
said Ryan Day's teams and all thatstuff. But also Lou Holts in Ohio
State Ohio State football, I've hada good relationship. They really have Urban
Meyer speaks and when he was coached, spoke very highly of lou Holtz.
He would have him in the lockerroom and meet with the team. I
know for a fact that the springfootball coaches clinic in the past he has

(10:05):
spoken. I'm pretty sure more thanonce. So I think Ryan Day,
even though I mean Ryan Day's notupset, people are like, here,
you picked Notre Dame, what doyou expect. That's not what he's mad
about. Of course he's gonna pickNotre Dame and try to fire up with
it. It's that he mentioned inby name, and I think Ryan Day's
like, man, we have treatedyou great here, we've done we had

(10:26):
shown nothing but respect from you.I might expect that from somebody else,
but you should. Why are youcoming after me? Does you understand what
I'm saying? Like Bill, Ithink he felt almost hurt that a guy
that they've invited in as family attimes was somebody that took a swipe and
he felt directly at him. Noexactly, and lou coached here. You

(10:50):
know, he's from the state ofall actually not from wasn't born no how,
but you know, grew up withEast Liverpool and all that stuff.
And he's a guy who can walkin that facility anytime and they'll let him
in. It's not like he's gotto get special permission. So it's kind
of like, you know, whywould you say those types of things the
way you said him? He couldhave very easily gave reasons why he thought

(11:13):
No Dame was going to win thegame, but to challenge a manhood of
a coach a fellow coach, Yeahyeah, and the Mike that I exchanged
emails with that was a Notre Damefan. One of the things was he's
pointed out, I love I lovedlistening to you guys, and I love
coach Bruce. But isn't that exactlywhat Coach Bruce did. I can't sit
here, you know, and saythat I can remember exactly everything that earl

(11:37):
said. So however, it ismy recollection that, yes, there were
times that he said we should beatthis team, and he would yell at
me, don't make them better thanthey are, and we're better than this
team. We're more physical and theycan't keep up with our physicality. But
I don't remember him ever calling outa coach other than if that coach was

(12:01):
a cheer uh allah, Mike uhgosh, the guy in Illinois, the
head coach, the former head coachat Illinois. He ripped into him.
Jackie Cheryl of Texas and Mike White, thank you so again. I can't
vouch for everything, but I don'tknow. I think it got personal for
Ryan Day. Jeff, and Iwill say this, if you listen to

(12:24):
his players and if that's what hismessage was for more than anything, his
players absolutely loved it. They didand you know you you you want a
coach that's got your back and you'vegot his back. And I think from
a Buckeye Nation, from a formerplayer standpoint, that's where I felt good
about it that he I thought hedid it in a classy manner. He

(12:46):
didn't use any foul language and whenhe did it, and you know,
enough enough is said. I thinkthe players loved having that kind of voice
in behalf of the effort that theygave we. So I think this too.
I think he did it for thefans. Also, I do too.
Showed a little bit of a differentside of Ryan Day. This guy's

(13:07):
a little tougher than people might think. Yeah, yep, we will continue
to and welcome back to bucks LineMatt McCoy along with coach Bill Conley and
Jeff Logan. We're talking Buckeyes withyou on bucks Line till eight o'clock.
We'll have Roy Hall here in justa few minutes. He's coming from Ghanna's
football practice. Full line is open. Right now at sixty two one WTVN

(13:30):
and our friend Jim joins us.Jim, first of all, thanks for
the emails. I got a coupleof emails from Jim after the game,
and one with a link to aconversation from a analyst that had been at
the game and talking about the atmosphereand everything, and it was very insightful.
Jim, how are you doing tonight? Hey, I'm great man.
How are you guys? I'm doinggood? Good. I questioned about defense,

(13:54):
I mean this defense. When JimNolan's first first tier last year,
we kind of thought, well,you know, it's it's improved whatever,
but we're we're not completely sold onit, at least I wasn't. But
this year, from what we're seeing, and I've looked at the some of
the stats, the number of pointswere given up at average per game compared

(14:16):
to three years ago, the yearbefore, Jim Knowles, last year,
the first year with him, andthis year it's it's dropping every year.
But I noticed one of the thingstoo, And I read an article earlier
this week about talking about the sacks, and it said we have just five
sacks and four games, and that'snot as impressive as what we would like
to see. But this, thissame thing that I was reading about the

(14:39):
sacks said something called College Football FilmRoom shows that the Buckeyes lead the nation
an opponent adjusted pressure rate generated.Yes do you have? And it showed
that High State was eighty nine percentplus eighty nine percent, while Michigan was
at a plus thirty six percent.First of all, I've never seen that

(15:01):
stat, so I don't understand whatit is, Jim, you and me
both, I'm not exactly sure whatit means. I'm gathering it's just the
amount of pressure, even if youdon't get the sack that you're putting on
a quarterback. So trying to figureI was trying to figure out how they
measured at and I kept looking onlinedifferent places and going into Google, and

(15:22):
I thought, well, somewhere Igot to be able to find that,
but I'll have to ask these expertssomebody there on that. Well, let
me see if you guys have anyidea. I mean, there are you
know, these are people that analyzefilm and they put out different stats and
stuff. And I saw the samething that you did, Jim, and
I got to admit I was Iwas surprised, not you know, more

(15:46):
so that they were like number onein the country, because I do see
them bill getting pressure but not gettingall the way there. And I think
most of that is due to teamsunderstanding that they can't hold the ball very
long the defensive tackles with JTT andJack Sawyer, and so they're getting rid
of it quickly and avoiding the sacks. And so Ohio State doesn't have quite

(16:07):
as many sacks as you'd like,but they are getting pressure. Yeah,
And there are so many other passesearly in the game that Hartman was completing,
but there were five six yard passesunderneath the coverage. But you know,
the defense right now is fifth inthe nation and passing yards aloud.
I mean that's pretty good, andsixth in total defense. And the thing
that I've noticed, I would figurethey'd take out jim By if the quarterback

(16:32):
gets flushed, if he doesn't can'tthrow the ball in stride, he has
to slide out of the pocket orsprint out to the side if he hurries
throw and stuff like that. SoI'm sure it has to be some magic
combination they figured that. But ourdefense, I mean, gosh, I
agree with you. We're playing sogood defensively. And you know we're always

(16:52):
talking last few years about man,you know, the secondaries not making tackles
in the open fields and stuff.We're making tackles in the open field,
our linebacking corps and our secondary andwith the pressure up front, this defense
is playing phenomenal. Lathan Ransom,by the way, Jeff was the Big
Ten defensive player of the week.He and I didn't even realize it,

(17:14):
but he had twelve tackles in thatgame, and that big fourth down stop
before Tremon Henderson's touchdown. It washe and Sunny Styles that read it and
made that play too. So theyhave they have really been big. And
if you look at what Notre Damefrom an offensive standpoint, because you can
argue all you want to about OhioState's schedule before the Notre Dame game,
but even after that game, NotreDame still leads the country in total first

(17:37):
downs for their offense. Yet OhioState continued to lead in all the categories
Bill that you just talked about,including number two, Jim you mentioned in
scoring defense. The only defense inthe country that's better than us right now
is the team up north. Andfirst downs defense were number thirteen, So

(17:57):
Notre Dame remains number seven in totaldefense and our offense achieve what they needed
to. They're passing aloud is sixthin the country speaking of Notre Dame,
yet we were able to complete thepasses necessary to win the game. So
very impressive. Jim, I thinkthat that stat I had in front of

(18:18):
me as well, that you weretalking about that pressure adjusted. I think
what's important to understanding that is isthat Ohio State only has they don't have
a player with more than one sack, all right, and they only have
five so far this season. Butthe pressure they're putting on a quarterback,
and these guys in the film room, they've got nothing better to do than
to sit there and watch film andput it on on X or on Twitter.

(18:44):
God bless'em. But those guyscame up with a stat that we
can be proud of. Yeah,no doubt about it. Hey, Jim,
thanks for the call. I wantto squeeze somebody else in before the
break, so I appreciate you calling. Let's go to John really quick before
the break. What's up John?All right? I'd like to shout out
to Tim Connor, John, BillConnley. We played together John dall But

(19:06):
I have a question what line?Yeah, go ahead, John doing good?
All right, A question about theoffensive line. It seems like they're
not getting low enough. I don'tknow if coach that way, not getting
low enough on those close to certainlines, or for some other reason just
not seeing getting the leverage. Yeah, thanks for the call, John,

(19:26):
Bill. What is your take?I will say, Ryan Day today on
his radio show said, re lookingat all the failures. Now, obviously
they succeeded on the last play,but all the failures on short yardage was
painful to watch because of a lackof execution. What are you seeing?
Well, I'm seeing that too ina lot of ways because the two areas
which were still having trouble with offensiveline is a short yardage and our goal

(19:49):
line touchdowns. We're not getting nearenough touchdowns when we get inside the red
zone, and we got to getthat picked up. On the other side,
we are fifth in the nation indefense on sacks given up, so
we're keeping and they're protecting the quarterback, protecting him for throwing the ball.

(20:10):
But I think we have to getmore balanced than we have to do a
better job. And I think Johnthat point there, we gotta get underpaid
love and move our feet. Andthe good thing we did the last play
we had to That's exactly right,Jeff, I had an email. I'm
not going to read the whole thinghere because we're about to get to a
break. But do you see anyproblem with the way the running backs are
attacking holes in short yardage? Oris it completely an offensive line failure?

(20:33):
The question that I got was thatthey felt like on may and Williams play,
they rewatched the game and felt likehe should have been able to get
in with what was blocked. Howmuch doesn't offense? How much does a
running back need to get a yardfrom his offensive line. I'll reiterate what
we've talked about before from the oldcoach Woody Hayes B Y O B.

(20:56):
Sometimes you have to be your ownblocker because not everybody's going to be blocked,
and there's no time for hesitation inthose short yardage situations. In a
goal line situation, even if youmake the wrong decision, you've got to
be committed to it because the minuteyou start side stepping stutter stepping, you've
lost all of your energy and athing you don't want to do is leave

(21:18):
your feet in that area too,and try and do the old Southern cow,
you know, jump over the topand score the touchdown. That you
lose all of your energy doing that. So it's a combination of things,
and I think it becomes a mindset. It also becomes a challenge for the
football team. And I think thefootball coaches have some responsibility here too to

(21:40):
put their team in a position wherethey have a chance to be able to
succeed. And it's not always justhand the ball and run over the center
of the guard. And you know, one thing we sometimes fail to realize
is that you know, we sayget under pad level and all this stuff,
but it's tough to do that.You look at officsive lineman today.
They're all six five pounds, right, It's not like the old days.

(22:03):
In a when you're using in awishbone option, you're getting a four point
stands and bear crawl out and blockthe guy. It's tough. The other
thing I'll say is and we watchOhio State and they need to get better,
and it drives me crazy that theycan't pick up short yards. But
I watch a lot of football.It ain't easy to pick up a yard
sometimes, like you look across Ohiostate. This is not an old Ohio

(22:23):
state problem. The only team Isee that has no problem on fourth downs
is the Philadelphia Eagles. They've gotthat scrum that they use with Jalen Hurts
down to a t. But everybodyelse it happens all the time. That
I might suggest to you that thatoffensive line at Notre Dame, which was
considered going into the game as goodas any offensive line in the country with

(22:44):
two first round tackles who failed onfourth down conversion. Yeah, Notre Dame.
Notre Dame did too exactly. Sono, not just an Ohio state
problem. More on Bucks line comingup. We're a service at Legacy Retirement
Group on news radio six ten WTVyet and welcome back to bux Line.
Matt McCoy, along with Bill Conley, Jeff Logan, and Roy Hall has

(23:07):
entered the chat. Yes, that'sright at Ghanadah and he and Jeff are
going to be together again tomorrow night. Jeff doing the television coverage of Ghana
and New Albany. It's awesome.I don't want to be ripping those that
receiver coach. Yeah, is norain, so we won't have any excuse
perfect. It would be good.We tend not to get calls when we're

(23:32):
in New Albany for whatever reason.So there could be one of your officials
listening right now and you're laying downthe gaunt. I'm just not he could
be listening right now, But I'mjust saying if he calls the wrong thing,
then we're gonna know that he waslistening. Yeah, he's just playing
right into the narrative. Since Royjust got here, I'm gonna go to
Twitter real quick with this question fromChuck. Can you guys discuss the replay

(23:53):
overturn of the Marvin Harrison sideline catch. He clearly had a foot down in
control the ball. The TV announcerskept focusing on the hand. To me,
that was a catch. I totallyagree with you, Chuck, agree
with him. I don't understand it, And I know they came back from
halftime and then all of a sudden, like to me, I think they

(24:15):
realized, oh, we forgot aboutthe foot like and they went back and
I think they were covering for theofficials. They think of me had been
jungled when he came down. Idon't think it was juggle. I thought
it was a catch. That's whatthey went with. They went with the
juggle more than the foot or handthing. That's what That's what the replay
officials back in the Big Ten officesruled it incomplete because of he did not

(24:37):
possess the ball. I didn't whetherhe did or didn't, that was the
That was the explicit that I rememberedhim saying that. So and because of
that, the Big Ten didn't showup on was it Monday or whatever?
Make the phone call, right,Brian, They didn't get an apology phone
call this time. That means theythat's what they felt. They felt he
Bobbo did just enough, probably becausethey botched the call and bobbled the call,

(24:57):
so they you know what we needto for us up. Did you
have any issue with I've had acouple of people ask about they need to
get Marvin Harrison more involved or wasthat just what Notre Dame was given because
emca Ibuka is the one that endedup having the big game. I thought
I thought Notre Dame if I wasgonna play Ohio State, that's exactly how
it would play US. I thoughtthey got pressure on the quarterback. I

(25:18):
thought they did well up front withjust their four down linemen. But they
did a great job. It wasn'tjust bracketing Marvin. They took everything away.
They were not going to allow himto do anything. They kept a
guy on his inside and overtop andthey just said we're gonna take this weapon
away from you and figure out,you know, you beat us another way.
Now, I didn't like how ifI was again, if I was

(25:41):
a Notre Dame, if I'm thedefensive coord of Notre Dame, the way
that they ran that two minute defensewas awful. I mean, they just
gave free access to the secondary multipletimes and we got big junk plays.
It worked out in our favor,but in a Mecca obviously got off from
that standpoint, but they did agreat job at taking him away. Now,
most teams aren't willing to commit twopeople to one person, but in

(26:03):
this particular case, they felt likethey can do that and they were pretty
effective with that for the most majorityof the game. Well, explain the
importance of eighteen going back into theball game after he had been injured,
and clearly not one hundred percent.I don't think he was dangerous out there
to hurt himself, sure, butthe impact that Notre Dame still had to

(26:26):
respect that correct well, they hadthe respective, but what you saw is
he wasn't as effective, but itstill took an extra defender to cover him.
And so now all of a sudden, I think that coach Day saw
something in that. They had tosee something in that because they and obviously
you play a little bit more preventativedefense when they're trying to drive at seventy
yards or whatever, but they clearlyknew that there was going to be an

(26:48):
extra defender favor in Marvin side.And Kyle just kept going back the other
way to a mecca like immediately,like he didn't even look anywhere else because
it was just one on one withhim. And that's the amazing thing about
the process that Calmillcord went through there. He was able to go to the
other guys, whether it was amecca, whether it was Kate Stover or
Julian Fleming, and find the guythat was open. If Marvin doesn't come

(27:14):
back in the game, do theybracket a mecca? Yeah, you go
after the right That's what they endup doing. And now all of a
sudden it becomes a whole different storybecause from a playmaker standpoint. Early in
the game, it was obvious theycouldn't get the ball to route May and
Marvin. I mean, it wasn'tgonna happen. So who gets the ball
a Mecca and the tight end getshim a bunch of times, and so

(27:37):
you know, I think that forthe quarterback to be able to work through
the progressions, know what they weredoing, and get the ball to the
open receiver, it was terrific.One hour down, One to go.
Bucks Line, a service to theLegacy Retirement Group, is back after the
news break here on news radio sixend WTV. Yet I remember two a
Bucks Line coming up. Matt McCoyalong with coach Bill Connley, who has

(27:59):
a nova I an enemy about LouHoltz. In a half an hour,
it will be our no that anenemy subject during this bye week Rolley Hall,
this yere. Jeff Logan is hereand we appreciate all the I got
so much social media reaction from thegame and during the week, but you
can continue to tweet at me.I'm at at Matt McCoy radio should mention
I got a tweet about Marvin HarrisonJunior. We're just talking about him before

(28:23):
the break and any injury update onhis ankle. The answer to that is
no, because obviously it doesn't reallyprovide details on that I can say,
though, Jeff, I mean hewas seeing yesterday they had a media session.
He was out there catching passes fromthe jugs machine or whatever that is.

(28:44):
And yeah, and so it's calledthe Monarch, the mon and it's
definitely another jugs machine because the jugsmachine is maybe five thousand and seven thousand
dollars. I want to take astab at how much a monarch is.
I have no idea to take aguess I'm gathering it's for Andy Grant.
I was gonna say like twenty fiftyfifty thousand, and we probably got three

(29:06):
of them. I don't know howmany we had. He has one.
That's one of his nil deals.Oh, come on, one of them
is his is with a monarch.You know. This is why I know
it because we were having some issueswith the judge machine at Ghannah, and
I was like, we need anew judge machine. I was like,
you know what, I was talkingto coach Stouter offensive Coording. I said
we should get a monarch. It'sjust from rate. For a monarch,

(29:29):
it can be no more than tenthousand dollars. We could raise that between
now and next season. We couldrate He was like, YEA, let's
look into it. He sent mea text fifty thousand starting at starting at
our budgets high school for we're notgonna use that machine. Goodness about that
in there. But that was hugethat he came back into the game.

(29:51):
As we talked about it in thelast segment. That had a lot to
do with it. But anyway,you can email me too during the week,
and I got a lot of goodemails. I mentioned the email exchange
I had with a note her namefan earlier that was actually pleasant. But
I'm at Matt McCoy at iHeartMedia dotcom and I alluded to this one earlier,
but I wanted to give it moretime because we were talking about short

(30:11):
yard and this is from Charles andGrove City. I'm an old school football
and Buckeye fan who fell in lovewith Ohio State during the Woody Hayes era.
I think I heard him roll overin his grave Saturday when the Buckeyes
continued to struggle at short yardage,especially after the jet sweep call on fourth
and one. I do think theoffensive line is a problem in those situations.
But I have noticed a problem withrunning backs two in the first half

(30:33):
at the goal line. I didn'tthink may and Williams hit the point of
attack hard enough. The line didn'tget as much push, But shouldn't it
be his responsibility for driving the pileback as well? I felt the same
way in the fourth quarter when Hendersongot stopped short on third down right before
the Jets we play. As aformer running back, what are Jeff Logan's
observations? How much responsibility in thosesituations to the backhab to force the pile

(30:56):
backwards? And again that's from Charlesand he does say great job by training
him to keep his feet at thegoal line for the winning score. Yeah,
the running backs, they've got togo in there, and they've got
to be committed. Whether the holeis there, the blocking is they're regardless.
You've got to make sure that you'regoing in there with force, you
know, going back to the olddays. I don't think Ohio State's going

(31:17):
to line up in robust formation,but I don't see a problem bringing one
of those big offensive linemen that arewearing like a tight end number and bringing
them into the backfield and putting themas an extra block. But they didn't
do that with on the Williams play, Kaden Curry, who was a defensive
end was in there and on theline of scrimmage. Yeah, it's just
not in the field. They itseems like they're trying stuff and they just

(31:40):
still aren't getting it done. Imean, I don't know what it is.
I do know that they probably spenta lot of emphasis on it.
This it's hard, Number one.It's hard to be able to do that.
It's hard to get it done.So count your blessings when you can
get those home run touchdowns and youdon't have to be in that kind of
a position. And I think we'vebeen accustomed to spoiled by those big home
run hitters. But those short that'swhat that team up North, that's what

(32:05):
Michigan does. They have like definedthemselves by being able to get two in
three yards in one yard and justroll over you. And we don't have
that right now. Trying to figureout a way to pass protect, I
think that's probably been more of anemphasis than anything considering who's at the running
back position for US coach. Butyou know, learning how to pass protect

(32:27):
and run block when you need ayard, it's totally different. And that's
just a mindset and the attitude thing. We actually saw them play well protecting
the quarterback when we needed two downthe stretch, but getting those tough yards
was kind of difficult for us throughoutthe game. Exactly right now. I
will tell you what talk about whenRyan talked about Lou Hols, lou Is
lucky. What he was not ona sideline, he would have found lou

(32:51):
game and start choking him. That'sa good matchup though. That's a good
man. That would be interesting,that would be good for sure. On
Twitter, this is from Marshall.What a great win probably be a Buckeye
coming off the victory. Do youthink they spend extra time during the by
week with the number one offense andthe number one defense going your head to
head to work on those short yardagesituations? It would help the short yardage

(33:13):
offense and the run defense. Doyou think they did some of that this
week? I think periodically you dothat anyway, and a practice, you
can have a practice. It mightbe a two hour long practice. There'll
be some periods that on the oneday that you have some live activity,
you go maybe a short yardage,goal line alive for like six place.
You don't do much more. Nowyou can't ford to gamebody hurting practice,

(33:36):
but yeah, I'm sure they workon that. This is from Dale.
What a great victory. This anotheremail, What a great victory and a
great week to be a Buckeye.I'm glad Ryan Day is our coach.
I love what he said after thegame. An observation and a question for
the panel. I saw a lotof grabbing and holding on receivers. In
my opinion, there should have beenflags there, warrants. Harrison was being

(33:59):
pulled almost every time they showed him, and it was not called to be
fair. I thought Igba Nosen forOhio State got away with some grabbing.
Two. My question is during agame like that, to receivers and coaches
talk to officials about being held.Do officials listen if it becomes clear they're
not calling physical play, how doesit change your play? I personally thought

(34:19):
it affected Ohio State more Saturday becauseof Harrison and not getting involved. And
that's from Dale. And you're aresident receiver, Roy, so I thought
I would ask you if if youdetect when you're playing a game, boy,
they're letting them, let them getaway with things, and how you
handle that. So first of all, we appreciate you man, thank you
for taking however long it take youto write that question. That question reminded

(34:42):
me of like a question when Iwas in the sixth grade. There's like
seven different questions and one question andyou're like, man, like, I
don't know which one to answer first. It's just like so many different number
one and that type of game youwant to allow the guys to play.
If it's not blatant, then there'sno reason to call it. In those
games, the officials in their mindare saying, these are the top guys

(35:02):
in the country. These are theguys who are gonna be playing at the
next level, and we're gonna allowyou guys to use your technique and just
play. If it's kind of withit, like one of those kind of
fifty fifty, we probably will letyou get away with it because we don't
want to be the reason why thisgame is won or lost. So they
let allow guys to play. Thebetter you are, the better caliber the
players, the more they'll let themfigure it out and kind of go down

(35:24):
the stretch from that way. Now, guys, do get held. Receivers
get held every play like every playwere something because they can't guard us.
I mean, at the end ofthe day, there's no one that can
really guard us one on one,right, So they hold and they push
and shove. That's a part ofthe technique. But they teach us as
receivers how to get your hands readyand get those off of you. But

(35:45):
I don't think guys are running tothe officials and tell them that they're holding
specific times. If you know,hey, we're gonna come back to this
play a little bit later. Heygetting his ear. Hey they're holding on
the post. They're holding on thepost. You tell them that six times
during the game, and you runa post in the fourth quarter with two
minutes left, you might get thecall. Yeah, that's it. Did
you did you sense what he sensethat it was more physical or did you?

(36:07):
I mean, as a former receiverwhen you watch, no, I
thought it was a physical game,and I think that's why I think it
caught us off balance a little bit. I don't think our guys thought it
was going to be that that physicalon the outside, but their corners did
a great job. I didn't expecttheir corners to play us as well.
But it kind of showed me thatwhen you don't, when you play in
figure of competition for a long periodof time and you go against somebody who's

(36:30):
a good matchup against you, andhe makes a couple of plays and he
got the confidence in the swag thatyou do, it's kind of hard to
make plays just about going out thereon your name. I kind of prefer
it being let them play kind ofgames I think I do. I mean,
yes, there are times I likeDale you know, may say there
should be a flag, but I'drather have it that way than a flag

(36:51):
festival. Absolutely. What you don'tlike to see is a severe penalty at
the point of where the action ismake different between the play being successful,
not if you guys away from aplayer backside of a play. Most of
the time, let those things goanyway, but if it's a crucial one,
that's a different story. You know. Sometimes officials will tell guys to

(37:12):
he'll catch some guy. You know, we'll say holding or something. He
says, I'll give you that one. Don't do it again. Yeah,
do you have Did you ever havekind of conversations with officials? Mister official?
The interesting thing is when I wasa young kid, I was I
was a jerk, and I meantalking youth. Okay, all right,

(37:38):
because young kids if made college youthfootball, and if an official made a
call that I of course I didn'tlike any of them. Yeah, I
would. I would act like I'ma big deal. Yeah. And my
dad, who was my coach,finally grab me one day. He says,
they make better friends than they doenemy. Keep your damn mouth shut.

(38:02):
And it was very clear to mefrom that point on, I needed
to act differently. Every game thatI was in in high school and in
college, I always went over,introduced myself to the officials before the game,
talk to them. You know,we're like schmoozing them, trying to,
you know, get on the goodside. Absolutely, but I wasn't
going to be the jerk that Iwas before. How did you get that

(38:23):
fifty dollars bills slipped to him?That was the hard part. Quietly,
this is on Twitter from Mark Interms of drama, that was the top
five all time finished for Ohio States. So impressed with McCord. What does
that do for his confidence and theconfidence of his teammates and his coaches?
Did you did you see him standingup on the bench after Oki different.

(38:45):
He wasn't standing up on it.He was hiding a couple of weeks ago,
like you know, they're talking aboutme. Now he's on top of
the bench, yelling at the crowd, running his mouth. It did everything
for his confidence. You win thattype of game, like that one game.
I mean short term right, basedon how we live in this culture
these days, but short term man, that he can ride that way for

(39:07):
a game. I got one problemthat we gotta fix. Okay, those
black hot top shoes that he's youdon't like the black hotsops. He looks
like Johnny. It makes him lookslow. Yeah, I mean, Roy,
you're the shoeman. I know,I know. Would you step up

(39:27):
and go in there and get fixed. I think it's on I think he's
trying to like get a deal withsomething. I think it's on purpose.
It has to be on purpose.He's the only one too. It's awful.
He must have been doing that thing. And maybe he's paying homage to
somebody, maybe a granddad back inthe day wearing thirty three for Sammy Ball.
Maybe we got to get rid ofthe shoes. Yeah, it's Tony

(39:52):
Lama. I don't know that meanthey're just awful. Man. You know
the thing about Kyle McCord and hisperformance, he through for two hundred and
forty yards in the game. Onehundred and fifty five of the two hundred
and forty yards were on third downs, and Ohio State converted on those thirds
down and none. Bigger Roy,you were saying you didn't like, Well,

(40:13):
you liked it because you wanted oHire State to win, but you
didn't like from a football standpoint,Notre Dame's defense in the two minute drive.
I was stunned at I mean,it was a great pass, it
was a great pass, but thethird and nineteen from the twenty yard line,
it seemed like an easy completion tome, Like watching it that he
got it to Igbuca and it wason a rope and there were defenders there.

(40:36):
But I was surprised. I wasreally surprised how easily that was completed.
Maybe at easy's not the right word, but maybe coach Connolly could help
me with this. But when defenlike when it's they gotta go two minute
drew and we get in some preventativekeep the ball in front of you,
like I think it just changed itsphilosophy is everything it. I think it
just makes your defense kind of geton their hit. Now they're nervous that

(40:59):
we can't and we get behind.This can't let it'll get behind and put
pressure on the guy has never beenin the pressure field situation. And maybe
you don't have to send two guyson the blitz, but just get your
guys getting after him, so wecan't just sit back there comfortably and throw
the ball twenty yards up the field, you know, like to get down
to the one yard. It justdidn't make sense to me. Every time
it happens, and it's usually justin college football, like I mean,

(41:21):
it happens in the NFL as well, but in college football, I remember,
you get the ball thirty seven seconds, you know, and drive the
football eighty yards in like thirty seconds, Like, how is this possible?
And everybody's just sitting back on thehills. Yeah. And we saw that
early in the year in the ColoradoColorado State game. You know, Colorado
State has that game won, andthey let them take the ball ninety yards

(41:42):
in a minute and win the game. Yeah. I mean, and first
of all, when you're having successbeing aggressive with your defense, stay with
what got you there? And theycould have been better if they would have
tackled Bok on about the fifteen yardline or something, the time would have
ran out. Absolutely, you know, don't under estimate the value of that
throw though, because even with thatdeep playing as soft as they were.

(42:06):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned it, but that had to be on time
and on target. Didn't even aback hit and it was absolutely perfect.
And again I think the future ofour quarterback position is pretty good. I
like our guy more than old Grandpathat was playing for them. Yeah.
Now, listen, not every commentafter the game that I got and in

(42:29):
the week since has been positive.Despite that, I will I love you,
change your voice infliction. I wantto hit a couple of those when
we come back. We continue talkingBuckeyes with you. Bill's Nova an enemy
He's going to focus on. LouHoltz is coming up in about ten minutes.
It's Bucks Line a service, alegacy retirement group on news Radio six
ten, DOUBLETVM. All right,before I get to the negative tweets,

(42:51):
our friend Barry on social media said, first of all, shout out to
Jeff for his comment about the Blackhigh Tops. Secondly, can you comment
why the Buckeyes. And I've gottenseveral of these, and maybe you guys
can comment about a quarterback sneak?Why don't the Buckeyes seem interested in doing
that quarterback sneak bush bush play whenthey only need a yard? Do they

(43:13):
do have the quarterback lineup under centerfrom time to time? Now to set
it up great show and go Bucks? And this is a question I'd go
back to Urban Meyers era, likewhen they were having trouble Dwayne Askin's year
picking up short yard. It's asimilar situation like this, Why don't they
run a quarterback sneak? And Iremember Irmin Meyer saying, we don't do

(43:37):
it, like the only time we'reon the only time now in that case,
the only time they were under centerwas for victory formation. Now they
do go under center some but Idon't know, Jeff, what is it
is? Quarterback sneak? Does?I mean? I say it too?
Why don't they do it? Whydon't they do it? Because they don't
practice it, they don't have thetime for it, they don't have the

(43:58):
it's not in their DNA to runthat. It's you've got big backs like
Ohio State has. They feel likethey're a better chance to be able to
do it as opposed to the quarterback. And you know, it's it's what
you decide is important for you andyour football team. And I just don't
think they spend any They haven't committedto it, so they're not going to
just put it in and fail atit. No. I mean, it's

(44:19):
you're right, and it's what youpractice it. That's what because you have.
Really the problem is if you don'tdo that a lot, you have
a chance of dropping that ball.Yeah, it can be on the ground.
Man, you don't trust the quarterback. I don't know. Well in
the center, I'll tell you what. The center hit his hands full all
night. Now. Are so didvery good on pass protection, but some
of the ring games, man,it was a war up there, and
you gotta be able to handle thatguy. It seems like, I don't

(44:44):
know. To me, it justseems so easy to get an inch with
a quarterback sneak. But think aboutit this way. You're really not getting
an inch. You have to getabout a yard. And you're right,
you're right because you don't get theball where it's that from you. I
don't know if you guys have seenwhat I've referred to with the what the
Eagles do. It's just it's justso easy for him. Now, I

(45:07):
know, I recognize that they sayJalen Hurts can leg press like five.
That's part of it, and thenhe has the entire line come behind him.
It's a play that I think shouldbe illegal, but it's a legal
I don't blame. We should learnhow to do it. But you think
it should be illegal. I knowbecause it's I think, like I think,

(45:29):
I like five guys pushing them frombehind. It just doesn't seem like
football. I mean, it seemsmore like rugby. But if they're going
to allow it, yes, Ido think they should do. I've found
in life everything that I don't dolooks to me like it should be easy
to do. Every time I ordersomething from DoorDash because I don't really cook
that often, they're supposed to takea picture of it and then they send

(45:51):
it to your phone, and everytime I get it it's a blurry picture.
I'm like, how hard is itto take a picture on the phone
it's not blurry and just send itto me. But then I thought,
if I had to walk up tosomebody's house with their food and knock on
the door and some big bald sticks. Three two hundred and forty pound black
dude came with his shirt off.I'd be nervous too, so I just

(46:16):
didn't take a picture on this one. You're just gonna have to take my
tip away. He know everything's aseasy as it looks. Man, I'm
just saying. I will say this. I commented on social media on Sunday
about this. If you're now,we all for an hour and a half,
we've been dissecting. They need towork on this. They need to
do that. But if you're ifyou're, I mean, that's what we

(46:37):
do. However, if after thatgame you're overwriting, thought was what these
guys tweet like, I can't helpyou. I can't relate to that.
It was a great, great win. Yes, there's things to fix and
they know it, but it wasa great wines. However, Carl on
social media, that was not agreat win. Everyone is making it out

(46:59):
to a beat with a K.The offensive line and short yardage problems aren't
going to cost this team against agood team. After watching that Notre Dame
is not good. Their start runningback is overhyped and slow, so is
that quarterback he looked ordinary. I'mglad they won, but Ohio State is
far from elite. Do you everthink that maybe Carl with a k who

(47:22):
pete in his churios and Scott OhioState was controlled on the line of scrimmage.
The defense still can't stop the run, The offense only can get a
yard when notre Stame plays a manshort and McCord is way over hyped.
He's being praised, but through aterrible pass that should have been intercepted.
This is an average and overrated OhioState team. Jeez, I'm glad they

(47:45):
have your email address. Average.That was actually on Twitter. Yeah,
oh, I could say like forCarl like you, Maybe one of the
reasons Sam Hartman looked ordinary when he'sa top five rated quarterback still is it's
because the defense did a really goodjob on him. Did you ever think
of that? Do you ever thinkthat estimate didn't have a typical huge game

(48:07):
because maybe the defense did a goodjob on him. I thought the other
backs for noted name actually were moreeffective than he was because they were Yeah.
It always isn't our guys suck,it's you know, or the other
team sucks. It's Hey, ourguys, Jeff are doing a pretty good
job. You know, I don't. I just don't know how to relate
to that, nor to you.So I mean Jeff holding back right now,

(48:34):
he's gonna go scored earth like theone thing I want you to Matt.
It's hard for you because of theposition you're in as the professional host
of this mess that we call bucksLine. Yes, but one of the
most the greatest buttons on that Xon that Twitter thing is block, unfollow

(48:54):
and block. Now. I knowyou can't do that because you have to
accept all of the people that arecoming in. But what a cleansing experience
it is to go You're done forever. Yes, yeah, it's so refreshing,
no question, that's the hottest I'veseen you, says Air Force when

(49:15):
we come back, no day anenemy And Bill Conley is going to focus
not on a team, not ona program, but on one man,
Lou Holtz. That is coming upnext on bucks Line of News Radios extended
on your TV. Last half hourof bucks Line, Matt McCoy along with
Jeff Logan, Roy Hall and coachBill Conley. And it is that time.

(49:37):
And you may say, why isthere a no Daine enemy. When
there's no enemy this weekend, theby isn't our enemy. We enjoy the
buy a chance to go golfing,and you know I'm gonna head up and
see my son at Kent State onfamily weekend. There's no enemy this weekend,
but there is. Well, hewas kind of an enemy this weekend.
Last Saturday Night's Ryan Day when scorchedto earth On. Lou holds for

(50:00):
the commons that he made about OhioState and Ryan Days specifically. And so
Bill Connley has no nine enemy duringthe bye week on one person, and
Bill not try to copy his voice. Take it away. Okay, Lou
Holtz, I want to tell yousome Hymn and Nick Saban have some things

(50:21):
in common. Okay, Okay,here they are. First of all,
they're both from West Virginia, right, Lou Holes from fallen By, which
is kind of southeast Steubenville on theother side of the river, and Nicholas
from Fairmount, West Virginia. Now, Lou grew up in Least Liverpool,
West where he plays high school balland everything. And he said, somebody

(50:43):
says you might not know where EastLiverpool is. He says, it's on
the Ohio River unless you come andvisit me in the spring and we are
in the river. Being that theflood and all that. They both went
to Kent State, different time periods. Kent State for fifty six and fifty
seven for Lou and seventy to seventytwo for Nick. Lou Holts play linebacker.

(51:07):
Okay at Kent State at five tenone fifty two. Now, I
has been a long time since LouHolts has been five ten, yeah,
but that was his listed while NickSaban was a he was a quarterback.
He was an option quarterback turned defensiveback. He was five six one seventy
five, not very big, goodplayer. Here's the other thing they have

(51:30):
in common. They're both assistant coachesat Ohio State University. That's right,
all right, in the late sixtiesfor Lou nineteen sixty eight and for Nick
he was there in the late seventiesand early eighties. And here's the other
thing they have in common at OhioState. They both coached defensive backs.
That's right. There. You goa lot of things in common with Holts

(51:52):
that they say that nineteen sixty eightOhio State coaching staff is like one of
the all time best if you lookthat those guys were it became head coach
Roll on that staff and Lou Holtzand down Bill, Bill Mallory and on
down Walker. Yep, yep,I mean yeah, you're right, you're
right. I mean we're sitting here, and we're sitting here watching a game

(52:16):
on TV right now, the Thursdaynight college game Tulsa coached by Kevin Wilson
and Temple coach by stand rate andformer high State assistant. Anyway, continue
Bill. In Kent, Ohio,they have a restaurant, but right now,
I don't know if it's opened backup since COVID. They have a
sandwich named after Lou Holtz. Isthat right? Yes, it's called the

(52:37):
Twisted Melts. Now you would likethis or I was thinking about you when
Okay, it's twisted fried macaroni andcheese, topped with hickory bacon, yes
more cheese, cheddar and American cheese, and with ranch dressing. See that's
twisted. I'm up there this weekend, so maybe I'll try to find But

(53:01):
I think they should have one inColumbus now, and they should call it
the foot in the Mouth Burger.Okay, I think what we should do
is somebody should have this? Itwould be a hamburger, green cheese,
shoe leather served on a stale bunlike that. Absolutely, and then stop

(53:21):
on it. Lou Holtz and UrbanMeyer, you know, we talked a
little bit about Let's go back aboutthis whole situation. Now. Lou was
head coach at Notre Dame from nineteeneighty six to ninety six. Okay,
in nineteen ninety five he had atthe he had to hire somebody for an
open position, and it was atthe National Convention. Well, Skip Holts,

(53:45):
his son was on his staff,young coach, and he had been
at Colorado State. Well, whoelse was at Colorado State? Urban Meyer
was there because Earl Bruce was ahead coach. Okay. And so Skip
goes to his day at the NashvilleConvention and says, hey, you should
really talk to Urban myri. Hesays, I don't know him. I
don't want to talk to him.He says, let's go get breakfast.

(54:07):
Okay, I'll beat you down thereat half an hour. Half an hour
going down to breakfast, Urban's sittingwith Skip. Okay. So Skip helped
him out. So WHU ends uphiring Urban okay, well it just happened.
For the next year, Lou thentook his first retirement, so Bob
Davy became the head coach well andUrban you know, coach there for it

(54:30):
until two thousand and one. Twothousand and one head coaching job at Bowling
Green University opened up, and hecalled coach Holtz and he said, coach
Holes, would you mind calling theathletic director gave him his number at Bowling
Green for the hey coaching job forme? He said, absolutely, glad
too. Now we all know thatreally Earl Bruce had most of the say

(54:52):
in this thing. But Lou Holtzcalled him and next day Urban callback said,
coach, I got a for thejob. I'm gonna turn it down.
He says, what you had mecall and you're going to turn the
job down. What are you doing? He says, coach, that's a
bad job. He said, ifit's a good job, they wouldn't be

(55:12):
hiring you. Coaching experience. Hesaid, you bring it on the phone
and call him back and take thejob. And he did, yes,
so he can thank him a lot. But you know, Lou Holts for
years and years going to different conventionsand talking to in places he has.
He's known for his great quotes.Here's some Lou Holts quotes on the work

(55:35):
ethic. No one ever drowned fromsweating too much. That's pretty good.
I like that, all right,he said. And his team had lost
two in a row, and oneof the reporters came up to him,
said, coach, you've lost twoin a row. Are you thinking about
resigning? He said, resigning neversuicide, yes, but not resigning,

(56:00):
he says. He says, don'ttell your problems to people. Eighty percent
of them don't care, and theother twin percent are glad. You have
him talking about spring practice Underwoody Hayeswhen he was here, all right.
He said, it wasn't tougher thanyour average death march. And we've been

(56:23):
through and he tells when things aren'talways what they seem. You know,
we talk about this stuff. You'lltalk about the short yards, run to
sneak or whatever, he said.But things aren't always what they seem.
It's like the blind guys walking downthe road. He's being led by his
blind dog, okay, seeing eyedog. He gets a big intersections,

(56:46):
all kinds of traffic, and adog walks him right out in the middle
of this intersection. The horns arehawking, people are swirling trying to avoid
him. Finally makes the other side. Fortunately he didn't get hit by a
car or anything I get. Sohe reaches in his pocket and gets a
dog. Biscuity reaches down to hisdog, and some bystander comes round and

(57:07):
said, what are you doing?What are you doing? That dog just
about got you killed. He broughtyou on the middle of a traffic and
you almost got wiped out. Hesaid, I'm not giving this dog this
biscuits rewarding, So what are youdoing? He says, I gotta find
for sure where his mouth is soI can turn around kick him in ass.

(57:30):
There you go, old snow nineenemy. And you know, in
all honesty, if you missed itearlier, I was providing. I was
being a junior psychologist and wondering,you know what triggered Ryan day after that
game. But I think you weretalking about lou Oltzon. Rb Meyer are

(57:51):
tight and Ohio State's been close tohim, and I just think that he
felt like, I mean you,like like we've welcomed you, You've spoken
at our coaches clinic, I've metyou before and you're bringing up my name.
Do you think I'm on anything there? Roy Or? I think you
should continue to investigate, keep keepafter it. Hey, just see what

(58:12):
you come up with. Man,there's nothing to do this weekend. Try
trying to justify Ryan Day. Yeah, how did coach Holts do in the
pros? That did not go well? In one season? I think it
was three and eleven with the Jets? With the Jets, Yeah, he's
the Jets and then he had beeneverybody thought he was going to go with

(58:32):
the Vikings. Yeah. Earle tellsthe story that he got the job after
the Woody thing nineteen seventy nine.But they wanted lou Holts, Yes,
but lou Holts wanted money, andOhio State back then was not going to
pay because Woody Hayes was making likeforty thousand dollars and that's what they were

(58:59):
going to pay the coach and LouHoltz is asking for six figures and they're
like nope. So that's how Earlgot the job because Earl took forty two
thousand dollars and took the job.My how times have changed as Ryan Day
makes ten million downs. So anyway, when we come back a few more
tweets and final comments. Thank youto Bill Connley for no thine enemy on

(59:22):
the Lou Holtz and we're back totalk about the Ohio State Buckeyes after this
on bucks Line on six ten WTVM. Final segment of bucks Line Again,
no game Saturday, so enjoy yourweekend with the bye if you missed it.
The Ohio State Maryland game, therewere original reports that had been out
before the season that Maryland Ohio Statewas going to be three thirty on the

(59:45):
Peacock Network while Maryland's undefeated Ohio Statehas moved up and you know, had
the big win over Notre Name obviously, and Fox jumped in as they are
allowed to and said, nope,we want that game. So is now
a noon game on Fox. Marylandplays in the end of this weekend,
so they are probably going to befive and zero. Maybe probably it is

(01:00:09):
probably if you looked at incorrect youlooked at Maryland schedule. So far,
they haven't really played anybody. Thatwould be an overstatement. Virginia. Virginia
is like their toughest game. It'sthe toughest game they've had on their schedule.
Now. They went to Michigan Statelast week and dominated them. But
Michigan State is a mess, right, everybody left, They're a mess.

(01:00:30):
Yeah, So I do think Likefor Maryland, I do think they're pretty
good because I do think Talia Tugaviolais a really good quarterback and we saw
him last year. But I don'tknow that it's one thing to do that
at Maryland. And they've competed againstOhio State at Maryland a couple of times,

(01:00:50):
including that crazy overtime game with DwayneHaskins. But when they've come here
it has not gone well. AndI don't know. I suspect it.
I suspect it'll be like the thirdtime going to get us, right it
is. Yeah, I think he'sa good quarterback though, I do.
It's his sixth year in college football. Another sixth year guy. Yeah,

(01:01:12):
can you believe it's like Sam Hartman? Yeah. From Twitter, and this
is from Carla Hope. You don'ttake this as a negative. We were
just talking about negative tweets. Ecstaticthat they won. Just want your opinion
on the jet sweep call. Ihated it. Why did they run outside
when they only needed a yard?Well, according to that is very easy

(01:01:35):
to get one and a football exactly, very easy. Tell the other team
come, by the way, consensusin your bad call? Do you think
that that's a call? Ryan Days? Like? What about what was I
doing? What was I thinking?That was Brian Hartlin's call? I will
say this. They had tried,you know, the goal line, would

(01:02:00):
Mine Williams to play before with TrevionHenderson to pick up a first down running
right up the middle, And theydidn't do it. So maybe they're like,
well, we can't do that.Like I mean, I don't know.
I would have tried it again,just because I would have been stubborn.
Guys, we gotta pick up ahalf yard, let's go. Yeah,
but I don't know who do that. How would you have said it,

(01:02:20):
guys, we gotta pick up ahalf yard, let's go. I
just wanted to hear the football.I would I would have probably salt your
language store in a fullback you're gettingthe ball boom. Not a bad idea.
Somebody just didn't do their job rightway clearly right. So like as
when you call a play, youeither saw something or you're like, hey,

(01:02:42):
when they do this, we cando and so we can't get it
up the middle. So let's trythis way, and if this part every
play is designed to pick up positiveyards, so we would have to go
back and kind of see who gotdominated on that particular play, and whoever
that person is, they probably won'trun behind him next week. But there's
a whole list of people to choosefrom in that And again I want to

(01:03:05):
be fair to the offensive line andthe running backs. Look around football,
it is hard and as you pointedout, Jeff, Notre Dame could be,
you know, wringing their hands overthe same things. They got stopped
twice on fourth in shorts too,so both teams had the same issue with
that. You could be doing LEPreconline right now instead of bucks line and
having to answer those same questions andasking why we only had ten guys on

(01:03:27):
the field. Most important count fromMark Matt I was lucky to be at
the game. Incredible atmosphere and ashout out to Notre Dame fans who are
around us. They were very classyand defeat and recognize it was a great
game. Being in the stadium.I hope everyone understands how impressive the last
drive was. That crowd was deafeningthe entire fourth quarter and sometimes maybe Jeff

(01:03:50):
on TV. We don't realize that, and to put a inexperienced quarterback in
that position. All right, we'vegot sixty five yards, we've got one
time out, we've got a minutetwenty go that. To Mark's point,
in an atmosphere like that, thatwas pretty impressive, you know, us
not being there. It's hard toreally gauge what it was like because it's

(01:04:11):
certainly not TV doesn't do it justice. But I've talked to some pretty seasoned
Buckeye fans that made that trip andthey said it was unbelievable the noise and
how quiet it got. Yeah,at the very end it went silent.
Of course. Well I can tellyou on watching it on TV if you're
rooting for Ohio State or a teamthat's playing on the road, I love

(01:04:34):
the sound of your few thousand fansin situations like that screaming when you know,
and the home team silent. Andthat's what you could hear screaming in
the stadium, but it was muffledbecause it was the minority in the stadium
that was happy about that win.Nothing like a road win, is there?

(01:04:55):
Roy like that? Man? It'suh, I mean, we were
talking about that atmosphere on the roadgame. The best part is just the
celebration in the locker room, Likethat's the part. Like you win the
game, it's awesome you're on thefield, but when you get in the
locker room and it's just you.Like back in the day, they didn't
have cameras and things, but nowyou know you see coach day dance.
I don't know, but did wetalk about this dance? No? What

(01:05:18):
I give him? I give hima ten for like energy exertion, but
execution was low. I don't knowwhat was happening. What what was that
dance called? It wasn't the daythe day. I've never seen that,
those types of gyrations, not infront of a hundred men. He wanted,

(01:05:40):
he wanted, and then he turnedback and look like just keep it
going, like I was just heyman, it was good. Those are
those are the moments. Though,to answer your question, you know what,
that pizza you get right after thegame takes a lot better. Oh,
everything tastes better. You feeding whateveryou want to feed that after you
beat beat the team on the roadlike that, Dave, I've been skeptic
about Ohio State's defense, but gottatake hats off to Jim Knowles and crew,

(01:06:03):
and also Denzel Burke. They neverthrew at him the entire game.
I think that's because his coverage musthave been so good. Denzel Burke,
what's barely mentioned, and that probablyas a defensive back in a game like
that against a good quarterback and goodreceivers, that's probably a good thing.
No, it's good. I mean, I think just our scheme was just

(01:06:23):
different and they we got them outof their rhythm. But hopefully I wasn't
watching. I don't pay attention tothose dvs. But I do think you
know, we had the negative tweetearlier, and I hope people recognize that
Sam Hartman is a good quarterback.He is, and Ohio State defensively,
Jeff made him look ordinary, andI think that's a credit to Jim Knowles

(01:06:45):
and the game plan. I absolutelyagree. I just figured something out.
You told me that our next gameis gonna be on Fox, Yes,
noon, Yes, you know thatmeans I'm getting knucklehead, yes, Gus
Johnson. Johnson, why do youlook at me like that? I just
I just we should We didn't tryand get him on the show. That
would be entertaining that would be awesome. That is Roy. We're not telling

(01:07:08):
Jeff Roy Hall, build kind League, Jeff Logan and thanks to everybody.
What a great show, so manytweets and comments. We'll talk to you
next week on bucks Line. It'sextend nobody TV yet