December 1, 2025 • 38 mins
Alanna Rizzo and Clint Pasillas break down the latest news and rumors involving the world champion Los Angeles Dodgers. After one rumored free agent target comes off the market with Ryan Helsley signing with the Orioles (3:58), could the Dodgers be in pursuit of top free agent reliever Edwin Diaz (5:23)? And is Diaz the best option, or does fellow All-Star right-hander Devin Williams make more sense (8:32)? The hosts discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Personally, I don't think they need someone of the ilk
of Edwin Diaz. However, it's not our money. It's not
my money.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hell everybody, and happy Monday, I believe it. Yes, it
is Monday night football tonight here in my area. Last
night it was Sunday Night football, the Broncos eking a
win out in overtime. Climt Pasius Alanaizso your daughter's territory
host for the next half an hour. Super psyched that
you were here. Finatikos. Kevin is already in the chat. Kevin,
(00:41):
thank you. Speaking of the chat, Clint, we want our listeners,
our followers, our friends, our viewers. Not only do we
want you to like, not only do we want you
to subscribe, Not only do you what we want you
to help us get to fifteen thousand subs. We want
you to participate heavily in today's show. We want to
hear what you guys are thinking about. What is not
happening in this off season. It is very very quiet
(01:03):
and it is very very cold. In terms of the
stove now, Clint, you and I talked about it our
production meeting. It's a it's very very quiet, but hopefully
it heats up.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, we need something to heat up. You know, I'm uh,
I'm bored. I'm bored of this off season. It's funnyriz
you think you think back to one year ago. There
were all these rumors, there were things happening, There was stuff,
you know, moving, There was Rokie Sasaki rumors. The Dodgers
had just signed Blake Snell before that. Yeah, or around
(01:36):
that time too, you have are the Dodgers going to
bring back to Asta Hernandez? All this kind of stuff.
Plus you know, we were talking to players and things.
You know, it was it was fun. It was a
fun off season. Something's different about this offseason and I
think you could kind of attribute that to the fact
that Dodgers don't have a lot of needs and that
makes it both great for the team but a little
(01:57):
boring for us and the fans.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Boring for this time of year. But let's get into it.
We'll talk a little bit more about it in the
big ticket. The see the direction the Dodgers are going.
All right, So the MLB Winter Meetings are going to
happen next week in Orlando, Florida. Hopefully it's the beginning
of a lot of signings. Hopefully it's the beginning of
(02:20):
a lot of action. It typically isn't that way. Ever
since the world of social media and every single president
of baseball ops general manager ever since they all got smartphones,
and the world in baseball moves at the speed of light. Now,
this type of week doesn't mean as much as it
used to do back in the day when you had
to have face to face meetings in owners' suites and
(02:40):
those types of things. But to your point, Clint, last
year at this time, you'll remember Blake Snell was signed,
I believe on November thirtieth, so that was yesterday of
twenty twenty four. The Dodgers were already said to have
been all in or at least a lot of the
way in on Roki Sasaki. There were certainly taoscar Hernandez
(03:02):
return rumors at this time last year. They needed stuff
last year, not so much this year. And again, to
your point, that's a good thing, right It's nice that
we don't have so many holes to fill, and right
now I feel like the Dodgers just need some ancillary pieces.
But it's also kind of like, if we're staying pat
it's kind of a bit of a boring offseason. And
(03:25):
then you're hoping that everybody comes into spring training healthy
and looks great and can build upon yet again another
World Series championship next year.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean again, this roster is very good. They
can go out there right now and compete for a
World Series, probably beat most, if not all, of the
teams in the league, even the Rockies. I don't know
why I felt like attacking the Rockies there, but yeah,
you know, Dodgers are an incredibly good spot. Other teams
are making moves, signing some players that the Dodgers had
(03:53):
some interest in, as we've heard this offseason. Of course
we know riz the team is said to be looking
for right handed leverage relievers. One of the names off
the lists, a guy we've talked a little bit about,
Ryan Helsley, signs with the Baltimore Orioles. They're out there
making some moves. Good on them. They are also very,
very bad in twenty twenty five, coming off of a
(04:15):
couple of pretty decent seasons. But I think it was
a two year, like twenty eight million dollar deal. You
know this follows you know, Ryce Seleglacias, another guy the
Dodgers were said to have been linked to. I don't
know about you. Helsley was not at the top of
my list of guys to sign, but he was. You know,
of all of the names that throw right handed and
(04:35):
have pitched in you know, high leverage situations, he was
one of them. He was just a name.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
He was a name. You're right, he does have one
of those. It was funny to me because I remember
watching it on Cardinal Territory and I think Lance Lynn
was on foul Territory one day that Scott Broun was
off when I was hosting, and Ryan Helsley made it
very apparent that he thought Saint Louis was going to
reach back out to him, which I've thought the honesty
was interesting to for a player to actually say, like, oh, yeah,
I expect that team to contact me, but no, it's
(05:03):
the Orioles, and good for them. The Oriols need a
lot of improvement, though I believe the Orioles need more
starting pitching than they do a right handed, you know,
leverage arm. But good for Helsley and Ryce Eliglesias off
the board went back to Atlanta ALEXANTHOPOLISA. That was the
plan all along. He wasn't traded at the deadline, so
they just extended him and here you have it. So
if you look at the closer market, which you and
(05:25):
I have talked about at length on this show and
on other shows, I think the closer market is the
most interesting one because there's the most talent, I think
when you're looking at that particular position. To me, it
was like the shortstop market a few years back when
there was a lot of really quality shortstops in the
free agent pool. So that being said, the one at
(05:45):
the top of the list. And that's kind of depending
upon how you feel about it. And again, you guys
get your thoughts in the chat about how you feel.
Mark finesand who writes for MLB dot Com, works for
a lot of other outlets as well, listed the Dodgers
as a top landing spot for Edwin Diaz and I
actually had a texting conversation today with Fine sand I
wanted to see if he could come on the show
(06:05):
on Wednesday to talk more about this, and he's not
able to this week, but he was saying, you know
the same thing we were saying. It's been so quiet,
and he joked he's like, hopefully everybody signs this upcoming week,
which we know that's not going to happen, but that
would be a lot of fun. And I do feel
that the free agency period should have a deadline only
for only for our sake, not for the players. I know,
not for the players, but for us just to have
(06:26):
something to talk about. That would be fun. But is Diaz, guys,
is Diaz Clint the perfect free agent match for the
Dodgers as Mark believes him to be.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's an intriguing question. We know,
I know you really want this team to land a
closer type. There are there's a couple of big names.
As you mentioned, there are no better closers, more accomplished
closers on the free agent market than Edwin Diaz. Personally,
I don't think they need someone of the ilk of
(07:00):
Edwin Diaz. However, we're just having a conversation a little
bit ago. In my my all Dodgers discord about the
idea of it's not our money, it's not my money.
Even if you're paying this dude twenty million a year
for the next three four five years, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Only fifteen though, because ESPN hasn't projected for a four
year six I say, I think only fifteen fifteen is nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think that's low.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, fifteen million a year for a closer of that caliber.
If he was the Edwin Diaz of two years ago
Tommy trumpet Edwin Diaz, I would take that.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, and we'll we'll get to the numbers in
a little bit. But but to its core, if the
Dodgers are in on on Edwin Diaz, listen, I'm not
going to be upset about it. Anthony Dicomo, who also
covers the the Mets for MLB dot Com this this
fella here, I don't know what he does, but somebody
turned me onto to this tweet, which led me to Reddit.
(07:55):
Ask me anything, reddit Ama that the como did this
morning saying that in his opinion, he'd have to consider
the Dodgers a favorite to land Edwin Diaz, if for
no other reason that they are the Dodgers. So that's
kind of funny to throw that in there. But his
expectation is that David Stearns, the GM president of Baseball
Operations for the New York Mets, doesn't really like to
(08:17):
spend on relievers. Then again, neither generally neither do the
Dodgers like to spend a bunch of money on the relievers.
It was kind of shocking to me last year with
that Tanner Scott deal. I can see them maybe being
a little more in on it this year in an
Edwin Diaz deal. But we've also talked a lot about
Devin Williams and those are kind of the two names
(08:37):
that are at the top of the free agent closer,
righty reliever market. And that's the question I have for
you for the chat as well. It's do you go
with Edwin Diaz and you kind of have maybe more
of a rock solid option because he's been great outside
of that knee injury and surgery and missing the twenty
twenty three season, he has been great. As for Devin Williams, obviously,
(09:00):
last year a bit of a struggle in New York,
to say the least. Asked our friend Derek Lewandowski over
in Pinstripe Territory for his thoughts on Devin Williams, and
then you know, he also missed a lot of time
last season in twenty twenty four with a back injury.
Numbers wise, put this together real quick. I mean the
numbers honestly somewhat comparable.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
They're very comparable, Like they're both very good pictures.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, yeah, I mean that's I mean, certainly, Devin
Williams twenty twenty five was nothing to write home about.
I mean Edwin Diaz certainly his what But I'd love
to see the Edwin da as you know, twenty twenty five,
twenty twenty two, Edwin Dias before he got hurt in
the WBC obviously in celebration. But I wouldn't be upset
(09:47):
with either of them. And to be clear, we're not
talking about Edwin Diaz coming to the Dodgers guys for
fifteen million. We're saying per year. I'm not saying fifteen
million total. I'm talking about an AAV of fifteen million
per year. I saw somebody in the chat that said,
there's why he goes for fifteen million AV.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
There was the ESPN report or projection of four years
and sixty. I think it's going to be more than
that personally, because because what he opted out of the
final two years of a five year, one hundred and
two million dollar deal, which means he left you know,
twenty in change on the table. I think he's going
to try to surpass that. Personally, I think he's going
to look at another five he could be.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, I'm not trying to sign Edwin Diaz to a
five year deal. I'm not trying to sign a closer
to a five year deal. So if Devin Williams can,
you know he's gonna Devin Williams is going to come
with a lower price tag. And I remember I Devin
Williams was an absolute beast with no wife. Yeah, so
I would not I would absolutely not mind having Devin
Williams as the Dodgers closer. I would be fine with that.
(10:47):
And I think that that will give the team, not
that this is a team that needs payroll flexibility, but whatever.
That will give the team some payroll flexibility to spend
that money elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. I really like the idea of Devin Williams in
that he is a high upside dude. You can kind
of get him on maybe a little bit of a
by low deal. Probably get him we've mentioned, you know,
so far this offseason. Probably get him on a one
year deal with a team or a mutual option for
twenty twenty seven, assuming or presuming there is baseball to
be played in twenty twenty seven. That's a problem for
(11:19):
a different day. But I really like the idea and
the idea of also the payroll flexibility and understanding that
the Dodgers have a lot of pitchers. We've talked about
the starting rotation side of things. A lot of those guys,
they're not gonna have a ten man rotation, so some
of those dudes are gonna need to move into the
bullpen where you have you know, River Ryan, who could
be an elite reliever, Kyle Hurt who will be an
(11:41):
elite reliever, mark my words on that one. Ben Casparius
should be in the bullpen for the entirety of the year.
Next year, who knows if Roki Sasaki ends up in
the rotation or the bullpen. So next year, after twenty six,
you probably have a spot open with you know, Blake
trying to either not signing or retiring or whatever. Uh,
(12:02):
but you have enough dudes to backfill this where I
don't think you need a guy for three or four
or five years. So I don't That's why I don't
know that Edwin Diaz ends up wanting to come here,
but well.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I mean, yeah here, well it does, but if he
cares about the years, I don't think. I don't think
LA is the place for him. I just don't see.
I don't see Andrew Friedman and you know, uh Farhun
or whomever's signing the checks now doing five years for
for reliever or I really don't. Maybe he can go
five years to the Lakers if wants to.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No, I think we already did. Uh, we already did
our our our Lakers chat last week with h with
Andrew Friedman taking over or doing something whatever he's doing
for the Lakers. But guys, get more chats, in, get
more thoughts in we got.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We do have a super chat. I want to chat. Yeah,
super chat from three hundred gj W. I believe that
is it, says I see the following sign Devin Williams
and mike Yastremsky. Okay, that's an I don't hate it either.
That's an interesting it's an interesting play. I mean I would,
I don't hate that.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
No, how about we do this. Let's uh, let's take
a quick break, let's hear from our friends at foul Territory.
Then let's come back and we're gonna dive all the
way into the chat, so we will be right back
and we're going to address that comment further.
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Speaker 1 (15:24):
I want to go back to that super chat though
from three hundred gj W mentioned Devin Williams. Yes, one
hundred percent on board with that one. You and I
spoke last week for our Thanksgiving show where you kinda
we glossed over mikey Stromsky on that list of that
I paired down to the twelve kind of cheaper free agents.
I had a little bit of an idea or a
(15:44):
little bit of of of a chat this offseason, a
little bit of a I guess dialogue about the idea
of signing Mike Stromsky as a you know, big time
fall fall fallback planned another you can call Michael Conforto
two point zero. I don't hate the idea of Yustromsky.
(16:05):
I don't know though that I'd rather just see this team,
you know, run, Alex Call and Ryan Ward out there.
But you were kind of against Yustromsky, you know, passingly
as we're trying to wrap up the segment, like what
are your real thoughts on all?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I just he just wasn't in my top three, you
know what I mean? Like that you presented it. The
way that we presented it to one another was like
if you're going to take a Black Friday deal or whatever,
who would it be? And I was he not that
I don't like Yaz. I just think that he wasn't
in my top three, right Yeah, So, but I mean
another left handed bat obviously he knows how to play
(16:39):
the outfield. Is he the end all be all? No,
But I don't know that you need an end all
be all. I mean this is this is a kid
that doesn't have the sexiest average in the world. He's
a two thirty eight lifetime in terms of batting average
OBP of three twenty four, slug four forty seven, ops
seven seventy two. You know, he's he's a serviceable player,
right Obviously, the majority of his time in the National
(17:01):
League with the Giants and then he was with the
Kansas City Royals for a hot second last year. You know,
the guy can give you some doubles. I mean his
his career year in terms of doubles was thirty one
back in twenty twenty two. I mean, he's not a
massive home run hitter, although in twenty twenty one he
did have twenty five long balls. And that's the majority
at least eighty one games in San Francisco, and that's
(17:23):
not easy to do. That's not an easy park to
hit home runs in. But you know, left handed bat
I don't I don't mind it, I don't hate it.
I mean, he can't be the centerpiece of anything, but
it's kind of bad. Signing. I mean, it all depends
on what they end up doing with ta Oscar I guess,
And if they're going to sign a legit center fielder.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, I don't know that they end up going going
and signing or even landing a legit center fielder. I
think that's our best case scenarios. For sure they end
up with a with a buckst In, or maybe they
signed Cody Bellinger. I think the market's going to be
that the price tags can be too high on Cody
for what kind of will almost feel like a somewhat
reduced role for him, even though it's not. But he
(18:04):
is not. He doesn't need to be the star that
he was in his first go round. And again, if
you're just having somebody who is filling in a spot
in left field with y and kind of kind of
lending to to Dave Roberts, he had mentioned other people
had mentioned the idea of bringing in people who hadn't won,
(18:26):
signing players who hadn't won, and having them kind of
chase that, you know, chase that want of to win,
chase a ring and all that kind of stuff, getting
different vibes in there. I could see, but I'm not
a huge fan of it. I'm not a man, not
a huge fan of it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm not against it, but I don't. I mean, he's
not somebody that I'm like, oh my gosh, that that's
a game changer, that's a team changer, you know what
I mean. Like, I just don't. I just don't. I
just don't see that.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Got an interesting Yeah, I got an interesting thought here
from slack Rabbit Tim saying this MOOKI Mookie fixed the
play with a with a move, batting him forth, moving
him down to the lineup and batting him forth. Of
course that's I don't think it. Is he batting Forth
by the end of the World Series.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I don't know. I don't think that. I think that's
too low.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I think you know, the Yeah, I know he's moved
out of the two hole. But yeah, yeah, maybe it was.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But again, I mean it was the World Series feels
like six years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Honestly, by the way, one month ago today they won,
So ten years.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Ago today, Dave was ten years ago today Dave was
announced as the daughter's manager.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah today. Anyways, Uh no, I I I believe they
end up moving keeping Mookie back in that two hole
by the time we get to the opening day and
all this kind of stuff. He's going to be better
than he was for the majority of last year. We
saw him go on a hot streak, we saw him
(19:52):
find something. He's going to be half healthy. He's going
to be not needing to worry as much about learning
the shortstop position. Mookie Bets, I don't know is I
don't know if he's gonna be all the way back,
but Mookie Bets will be back. I'll lay it out now.
He finishes top five and n L MVP voting in
twenty twenty six, throwing it out there, laying down the
(20:14):
gold Marcus five.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I mean, okay, top five, I can say top three,
probably not. I guess it's not.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Gonna win show. Hey exists.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He hit fourth in Game six and seven, So thank
you the Juggernaut fifty three, twenty seven. I'm gonna assume
that your correct Gordon names eighteen ninety two Bets Mookie
beat at third in the World Series. Yeah, third, I remember,
I didn't remember him batting fourth, but that's okay. It's
probably hammered.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's it. You got any particular chats you
want to hit before I find some of the other
ones that I have laying around saved some.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
No, no, no, no, how about this one. A lot of
these are related to our thought for the road, So
we'll wait for that, all right. So what about d
Alvarez twenty two? They should sign Walker Buler and turn
him into a closer. He's still good for one or two.
I don't hate that. I don't think Walker would do it, yeah,
because I think, first of all, starters get paid more. Walker,
(21:09):
I would believe, would want to prove himself that he
can still he can still do what he did. But
I don't hate Walker as a closer. I think that
he has such good stuff and one to two innings
if he can harness that fire for the you know,
like an eighth inning or a ninth inning role, I
don't hate that idea. I don't know that it's with
the Dodgers, but I don't hate Walker as a closer.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, I uh definitely don't see that that move happening,
just because you know, Walker is still buddy, young enough boy.
He can go out there and try to start. I
don't know if he's got anything left in the tank
right now, hopefully getting another year removed from that. Tommy
John he he finds a little bit of something, you
find some consistency. But yeah, much like last offseason, it's
not gonna be with the Dodgers. And I think now
(21:53):
even even more than it was last year. He he
doesn't make sense for for this uh this pitching staff.
Uh d Alvarez also had brought up and this was
one of the ones I had saved. They're not trading
glass Now or trading for schoobl I agreed on. I
agree on both. There was there was something that came
out last week of ESPN columnist Jesse Rogers mentioning that
(22:17):
you know it would or him mentioning that an MLB
executive said he could see the Dodgers trading from their
surplus of starting pitching starting pitching, and yeah, it wouldn't
be glass Now. I I agree more with your idea
of him it Chian because he's young, to cost controlled,
coming off a good year. Another team's gonna want that
rather than assuming a lot of Glasnow.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And Glasnow doesn't need to be an ace and that's okay.
He's he's perfect for our number three or number four.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Mm hm, I agree. Uh. Moving on, David had this
trade rushing bring back Austin Barnes.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
First thing hasn't had enough of a chance to do anything.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
They're not all winners. They're not all winners. Indigenous sixty
nine would love to see Kenlee Jansen back in Dodger uniform,
mentioned and that he is a Dodger legend, and also
saying I'd like to see Cody Bellinger, Devin Williams and
Kenlee Jansen. We talked last week on our Thanksgiving Black
Friday show about Kenley Jansen. I think I think he
(23:19):
he makes sense in yeah, filling the Kirby Yates role,
which they probably kind of don't need.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, I mean you also give him a chance every
once and again to get up you know, the saves
that he needs to get up to five hundred. You
know what I mean? Like, I don't. I wouldn't hate
Kenley back, just not as not in a closer role.
You said we don't need a closer, right, we could
have like six or seven.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I really don't think we need. This team needs a close,
needs a closer. That's the important part is really emphasizing
that needs. Our buddy Richie was in the chat. Is
for the love of God, can other Dodgers channel stop
with giving the secret to Dodgers and Glass now as
a trade bait talk a rest. It's all off season
clickbait bs, Richie. It's either you get no content or
(24:08):
you get bad content from at this time of year,
sometimes from some.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I'm gonna give you homework, Richie. Find out if Corey
Seeger in his eighteen no trade, if the Dodgers are
one of them, go find that out.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Che talk Yeah, talk to who's Who's Corey's a his agent?
Is that Casey Close? I think, oh yeah, no shit,
m what a dumb ass I am right now? Of
course is a boris. Let's see what else we got here? Yeah,
a lot of people really want us to talk about
the Rendon thing. We we will save that. We're gonna
talk about that for a baseball thought for the road,
(24:42):
so you guys can imagine it's it's it's Anthony Rindon related.
It is it is Angels related. Your boy has some thoughts,
So so we'll say that much. What else have we
got here?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
What about seeker A nine Mullins has been a exciting
to watch in Baltimore. Unfortunately for our blue Right now,
in the next two years of w Ares I can't
see or bus Oh world serious, sorry, our snow gotta
go bigger. Well, no, there's no there's no unbelievable outfield
(25:18):
or out there that I'd be like, oh my god,
that's amazing. And I'm not paying four hundred or four
hundred million for Tucker.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Sorry, no, no, I think that's man. That's the most
like to mean, he's such a red he like this
is where I feel show Hey broke baseball because then
again then you move that to a seven hundred and
sixty million dollar for Juan Soto, which is.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So ridiculous recording the man five million, like.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Mike Trout at the time was worth for sixty five
or whatever that extension. Kyle Tucker great baseball players. Just
I don't know. I don't I don't know what makes
up a four hund million dollar baseball player, but he's
he does not giving four hundred million dollars baseball player
to me.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah no, But again again it's I don't ever fault
the player, Like, get as much as you can get it, ye,
get it. But you know, who's to say who's worth what?
It's whatever they're willing to be whoever the owners are
willing to pay.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, you know, and I guess again the whole idea
of of of uh you know, it's not our money.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I wanna if you can recommend wine from Costco or
Trader Joe's. Which would you recommend? Uh Trader Joe's. I don't.
I don't have any uh Costco, which is like the
equivalent we have. We have Carco and BJ's out here.
They have some decent wine, like like like name friend
good stuff that like at Costco and BJ's. So I
(26:44):
don't know. You could do Nicola, you could do I
like Dowel that's from Passo Robles in California. They have
that there. They have Camus Camus is good. They have Voove,
which is my favorite champagne. So there you go all
the hard hitting.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
This has been drinking Quarner. Hey again, we haven't. We
haven't really done just to hang out with the chat
in quite some time. So I'm glad we're doing this.
Uh Oh, I don't know. Rose Rosamund Carrio.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
My favorite player out of Cuba. It's a great question.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Come on, you got you gotta make a puig.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now he's not my favorite player.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, I'm gonna need some like like the the wildness,
barely safe for work tweig story. You can tell that's
not like creepy and you're gonna to fame him in
any way.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I don't have any non creepy now. He's he'sus crazy.
He's just a crazy. He's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
My my first uh like media event I did with
the old job was covering the Poker tournament in twenty
eighteen and my hard hitting question a lot I was here.
I I know. My hard hitting question was what does
the bat taste like? Because he was liking at bats
at the time. He said he said, I don't know,
(28:08):
it tastes like crazy, and I was like, that's that's
the right answer.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
That's the thing about him is he doesn't always make
the best choices in life, but he does have a
very large heart. He's a very giving and generous human being.
He doesn't always Yeah, he's well, he's well intentioned, not
always well executed, let's let's put it that way.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I like Mike Lowell, who's Puerto Rican but Cuban. He's
one of my favorite people. Roll Bonya's one of my
favorite players out of Cuba.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah. Solid.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
The end the d Alvarez wants me to recommend a
good beer. Oh Man, good beer, all of them. It
depends on how I'm feeling. If I'm camping, there's nothing
that beats an ice cold Miller Lite that is a
great camping beer, setting up your tent and all that
kind of stuff. If I'm drinking with the boys, Modelo Pacifico,
you gotta you gotta get down with those.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I love how you like throw in the Spanish accent
there so people know that you're sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Basic Mira Mira o. Okay, I know, okay, okay, yeah, anyways,
I don't know. I mean those are mine. Eight o
five is also a good time. Give me a Corp's
banquet in the in the bullet bottle, that's also a
good time. Yeah, get them all from Costco as well,
not a sponsor. All right, we're gonna we're gonna move
(29:45):
on here. Appreciate people getting some thoughts, in getting some comments,
and we understand it's a weird point in the off season,
so hopefully people had a little bit of fun and
doing something a little bit there. I appreciate when we
get the opportunity to do something a little bit different,
and I always just the strict baseball talk. But now
we have some dog talk.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
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(30:24):
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Gidre's Guardian Foundation. Okay, So all Dodgers with Clint Pacis,
are you doing something? Maybe not not today today? What
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I gotta talk to I got to talk to the
fellows about what we're gonna end up doing. We will
have content this week. I planned on doing some stuff
over the weekend, but then life happened, and again there's
not much going on. And I would rather not force
content when I don't have to, because I would rather
present the best stuff we possibly can to people and
then dumb it down a little bit along the way.
(31:20):
But the best way to know when I'm going to
be live on my other YouTube channel to go subscribe
hit that notification. Bell do the same here really helps
us out. But I'm thinking this week we might start
a series of the always exciting twenty twenty five season grades.
We've been talking about doing that. This could be this week,
all right, Baseball thought for the road here is and
(31:41):
it happened. It popped up a whole bunch in the chat,
justin in particular, justin Lamas Yamas, however you say it.
He asked about it, a whole bunch.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, thoughts about Hollywood lifestyle aka Anthony Rendon getting bought
out in Anaheim and retiring and if we signed him
in LA back in twenty nineteen, and his last sentence
is the whole point of this. The Dodgers, no pun intended,
dodged bullet imagine if he wouldn't have said that LA
in terms of La proper was that Hollywood lifestyle that
(32:15):
just didn't suit him.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Apparently playing baseball didn't suit him either, because I played
more games at third for the Angels than Anthony Rendon
did over the tenure of the one of the worst
contracts in baseball history, and much better for Arty Moreno
to have given him that contract, and already, to his credit,
is given a lot of massive contracts to position players,
(32:37):
not always to pitchers, but to position players, many of
which have not worked out. Josh Hamilton, Albert poolholds, to
a certain extent, Mike Trout only because of the injury situation.
But Mike Trout, you know that he wants to play baseball,
okay it he hates it when he's not on the field.
Anthony Rendon, in my opinion, I don't know him personally,
(32:58):
just couldn't hate the game more than he does. And
maybe I'm completely wrong in that, but the point is
he has not played often for them. He was given
a massive, massive contract to the Washington Nationals credit they
only could take one contract on. They chose to take
on Stephen Strasburg instead of Anthony Rendon. That served them
well up until the end when Strasburg was like pretty
(33:19):
hurt and had to retire anyway. But I think you
ask anybody in that NAT's front office that was there,
they're glad that they took Strasbourg over Rendon. Rendon has
been a waste of space in Anaheim, and I feel
badly that the fans were subjected to somebody that was
paid that much that again, and he legitimately could have
been hurt. I'm never ishing wishing ill will or hurt
(33:42):
on a player, but he did not present himself well
and the optics of Rendon did not go well. And
now they have to probably buy out because it's all
guaranteed money in baseball, which I'm fine with, but now
they have to buy out the final year of a
contract that was an absolute bust. They could have built
a whole other Disneyland for that shit.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, I mean you could have, or he could have
you know, already could have signed a pitcher two or
three with that kind of money. Yeah. What a weird
ending to what was a very bright baseball career, very
bright baseball future. I mean to think that he essentially
played his last meaningful season as a twenty nine year
(34:25):
old or something like that, and he's been getting paid.
You know, he played the full season in twenty twenty
fifty eight of the sixty games. Of course did make
the postseason because Angels don't play for the postseason. That's
another whole conversation there. But yeah, just it's so so
weird and I love it. The main thing you said there,
most important thing you said there, amongst many great things
(34:45):
you said, was like the presentation of it. That's what
made it worse. He never once really seemed he never
to feel bad.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
He never ingratiated himself to the fans. And I'm not
saying you have to be you know, you have to
be the I don't even know the word like be
all kumba yat everything, but I mean, my god, at
least act like you like the game, oh man.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
And you know there are definitely some injuries in there.
There was definitely some woes. But yeah, the fact that
he just think.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Of the air conditioning system that Moreno could have put
in an Angel stadium if he wasn't playing.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Somebody said, uh, in the chat here, by the way,
they said a lot of cook in here. Somebody said
shots fired di Alvarez. Shots fired. Absolutely, And when it
comes to.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
The am I wrong, Like I have yet to see
anyone come to the defense of Anthony Rendon, active player,
former player, anybody?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
No, Yeah, just just a just a bad presentation overall.
Could have been a better career. Uh, couldn't have happened
to a better organization. So so congrats Anthony Rendon. Whatever,
it's obviously it's not official. It seems like he going to,
you know, retire and take some sort.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Of I'm stealing everything but a bag, but well, actually
you did steal a bag, A big bag I would take.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I would take that deal in a heartbeat to not
have to do a damn thing.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
But you know what I wouldn't. I would feel so guilty.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
If if someone gives me a dollar and I don't
pay it back or I don't work for it, I
feel I feel guilty. Right, So it's like if someone's
gonna give me that contract and I'm like, I'm worthless
and I can never be on the field, or I
can never do anything to support the team, or at
least like I don't care, I'll do any I'll fix
the AC I would feel so guilty if someone gave
(36:38):
me that amount of money and I'd never play.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah yeah, wild Tony two bags. Hopefully he likes golf,
even though he's probably just gonna shot. The best thing
that came out of it, this would be the last thing.
The best thing that came out of the entire Rendon
Angel saga is the memes.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
The memes have always just been like, I know, I
want a man that doesn't play games.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great one. God Either way, guys,
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we'll see on the next round.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Have a good afternoon. We appreciate you very much. Go, daughters,
we'll see you Thursday.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Bye. Stay
Personally, I don't think they need someone of the ilk
of Edwin Diaz. However, it's not our money. It's not
my money.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hell everybody, and happy Monday, I believe it. Yes, it
is Monday night football tonight here in my area. Last
night it was Sunday Night football, the Broncos eking a
win out in overtime. Climt Pasius Alanaizso your daughter's territory
host for the next half an hour. Super psyched that
you were here. Finatikos. Kevin is already in the chat. Kevin,
(00:41):
thank you. Speaking of the chat, Clint, we want our listeners,
our followers, our friends, our viewers. Not only do we
want you to like, not only do we want you
to subscribe, Not only do you what we want you
to help us get to fifteen thousand subs. We want
you to participate heavily in today's show. We want to
hear what you guys are thinking about. What is not
happening in this off season. It is very very quiet
(01:03):
and it is very very cold. In terms of the
stove now, Clint, you and I talked about it our
production meeting. It's a it's very very quiet, but hopefully
it heats up.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, we need something to heat up. You know, I'm uh,
I'm bored. I'm bored of this off season. It's funnyriz
you think you think back to one year ago. There
were all these rumors, there were things happening, There was stuff,
you know, moving, There was Rokie Sasaki rumors. The Dodgers
had just signed Blake Snell before that. Yeah, or around
(01:36):
that time too, you have are the Dodgers going to
bring back to Asta Hernandez? All this kind of stuff.
Plus you know, we were talking to players and things.
You know, it was it was fun. It was a
fun off season. Something's different about this offseason and I
think you could kind of attribute that to the fact
that Dodgers don't have a lot of needs and that
makes it both great for the team but a little
(01:57):
boring for us and the fans.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Boring for this time of year. But let's get into it.
We'll talk a little bit more about it in the
big ticket. The see the direction the Dodgers are going.
All right, So the MLB Winter Meetings are going to
happen next week in Orlando, Florida. Hopefully it's the beginning
of a lot of signings. Hopefully it's the beginning of
(02:20):
a lot of action. It typically isn't that way. Ever
since the world of social media and every single president
of baseball ops general manager ever since they all got smartphones,
and the world in baseball moves at the speed of light. Now,
this type of week doesn't mean as much as it
used to do back in the day when you had
to have face to face meetings in owners' suites and
(02:40):
those types of things. But to your point, Clint, last
year at this time, you'll remember Blake Snell was signed,
I believe on November thirtieth, so that was yesterday of
twenty twenty four. The Dodgers were already said to have
been all in or at least a lot of the
way in on Roki Sasaki. There were certainly taoscar Hernandez
(03:02):
return rumors at this time last year. They needed stuff
last year, not so much this year. And again, to
your point, that's a good thing, right It's nice that
we don't have so many holes to fill, and right
now I feel like the Dodgers just need some ancillary pieces.
But it's also kind of like, if we're staying pat
it's kind of a bit of a boring offseason. And
(03:25):
then you're hoping that everybody comes into spring training healthy
and looks great and can build upon yet again another
World Series championship next year.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean again, this roster is very good. They
can go out there right now and compete for a
World Series, probably beat most, if not all, of the
teams in the league, even the Rockies. I don't know
why I felt like attacking the Rockies there, but yeah,
you know, Dodgers are an incredibly good spot. Other teams
are making moves, signing some players that the Dodgers had
(03:53):
some interest in, as we've heard this offseason. Of course
we know riz the team is said to be looking
for right handed leverage relievers. One of the names off
the lists, a guy we've talked a little bit about,
Ryan Helsley, signs with the Baltimore Orioles. They're out there
making some moves. Good on them. They are also very,
very bad in twenty twenty five, coming off of a
(04:15):
couple of pretty decent seasons. But I think it was
a two year, like twenty eight million dollar deal. You
know this follows you know, Ryce Seleglacias, another guy the
Dodgers were said to have been linked to. I don't
know about you. Helsley was not at the top of
my list of guys to sign, but he was. You know,
of all of the names that throw right handed and
(04:35):
have pitched in you know, high leverage situations, he was
one of them. He was just a name.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
He was a name. You're right, he does have one
of those. It was funny to me because I remember
watching it on Cardinal Territory and I think Lance Lynn
was on foul Territory one day that Scott Broun was
off when I was hosting, and Ryan Helsley made it
very apparent that he thought Saint Louis was going to
reach back out to him, which I've thought the honesty
was interesting to for a player to actually say, like, oh, yeah,
I expect that team to contact me, but no, it's
(05:03):
the Orioles, and good for them. The Oriols need a
lot of improvement, though I believe the Orioles need more
starting pitching than they do a right handed, you know,
leverage arm. But good for Helsley and Ryce Eliglesias off
the board went back to Atlanta ALEXANTHOPOLISA. That was the
plan all along. He wasn't traded at the deadline, so
they just extended him and here you have it. So
if you look at the closer market, which you and
(05:25):
I have talked about at length on this show and
on other shows, I think the closer market is the
most interesting one because there's the most talent, I think
when you're looking at that particular position. To me, it
was like the shortstop market a few years back when
there was a lot of really quality shortstops in the
free agent pool. So that being said, the one at
(05:45):
the top of the list. And that's kind of depending
upon how you feel about it. And again, you guys
get your thoughts in the chat about how you feel.
Mark finesand who writes for MLB dot Com, works for
a lot of other outlets as well, listed the Dodgers
as a top landing spot for Edwin Diaz and I
actually had a texting conversation today with Fine sand I
wanted to see if he could come on the show
(06:05):
on Wednesday to talk more about this, and he's not
able to this week, but he was saying, you know
the same thing we were saying. It's been so quiet,
and he joked he's like, hopefully everybody signs this upcoming week,
which we know that's not going to happen, but that
would be a lot of fun. And I do feel
that the free agency period should have a deadline only
for only for our sake, not for the players. I know,
not for the players, but for us just to have
(06:26):
something to talk about. That would be fun. But is Diaz, guys,
is Diaz Clint the perfect free agent match for the
Dodgers as Mark believes him to be.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's an intriguing question. We know,
I know you really want this team to land a
closer type. There are there's a couple of big names.
As you mentioned, there are no better closers, more accomplished
closers on the free agent market than Edwin Diaz. Personally,
I don't think they need someone of the ilk of
(07:00):
Edwin Diaz. However, we're just having a conversation a little
bit ago. In my my all Dodgers discord about the
idea of it's not our money, it's not my money.
Even if you're paying this dude twenty million a year
for the next three four five years, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Only fifteen though, because ESPN hasn't projected for a four
year six I say, I think only fifteen fifteen is nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think that's low.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, fifteen million a year for a closer of that caliber.
If he was the Edwin Diaz of two years ago
Tommy trumpet Edwin Diaz, I would take that.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, and we'll we'll get to the numbers in
a little bit. But but to its core, if the
Dodgers are in on on Edwin Diaz, listen, I'm not
going to be upset about it. Anthony Dicomo, who also
covers the the Mets for MLB dot Com this this
fella here, I don't know what he does, but somebody
turned me onto to this tweet, which led me to Reddit.
(07:55):
Ask me anything, reddit Ama that the como did this
morning saying that in his opinion, he'd have to consider
the Dodgers a favorite to land Edwin Diaz, if for
no other reason that they are the Dodgers. So that's
kind of funny to throw that in there. But his
expectation is that David Stearns, the GM president of Baseball
Operations for the New York Mets, doesn't really like to
(08:17):
spend on relievers. Then again, neither generally neither do the
Dodgers like to spend a bunch of money on the relievers.
It was kind of shocking to me last year with
that Tanner Scott deal. I can see them maybe being
a little more in on it this year in an
Edwin Diaz deal. But we've also talked a lot about
Devin Williams and those are kind of the two names
(08:37):
that are at the top of the free agent closer,
righty reliever market. And that's the question I have for
you for the chat as well. It's do you go
with Edwin Diaz and you kind of have maybe more
of a rock solid option because he's been great outside
of that knee injury and surgery and missing the twenty
twenty three season, he has been great. As for Devin Williams, obviously,
(09:00):
last year a bit of a struggle in New York,
to say the least. Asked our friend Derek Lewandowski over
in Pinstripe Territory for his thoughts on Devin Williams, and
then you know, he also missed a lot of time
last season in twenty twenty four with a back injury.
Numbers wise, put this together real quick. I mean the
numbers honestly somewhat comparable.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
They're very comparable, Like they're both very good pictures.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, yeah, I mean that's I mean, certainly, Devin
Williams twenty twenty five was nothing to write home about.
I mean Edwin Diaz certainly his what But I'd love
to see the Edwin da as you know, twenty twenty five,
twenty twenty two, Edwin Dias before he got hurt in
the WBC obviously in celebration. But I wouldn't be upset
(09:47):
with either of them. And to be clear, we're not
talking about Edwin Diaz coming to the Dodgers guys for
fifteen million. We're saying per year. I'm not saying fifteen
million total. I'm talking about an AAV of fifteen million
per year. I saw somebody in the chat that said,
there's why he goes for fifteen million AV.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
There was the ESPN report or projection of four years
and sixty. I think it's going to be more than
that personally, because because what he opted out of the
final two years of a five year, one hundred and
two million dollar deal, which means he left you know,
twenty in change on the table. I think he's going
to try to surpass that. Personally, I think he's going
to look at another five he could be.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, I'm not trying to sign Edwin Diaz to a
five year deal. I'm not trying to sign a closer
to a five year deal. So if Devin Williams can,
you know he's gonna Devin Williams is going to come
with a lower price tag. And I remember I Devin
Williams was an absolute beast with no wife. Yeah, so
I would not I would absolutely not mind having Devin
Williams as the Dodgers closer. I would be fine with that.
(10:47):
And I think that that will give the team, not
that this is a team that needs payroll flexibility, but whatever.
That will give the team some payroll flexibility to spend
that money elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. I really like the idea of Devin Williams in
that he is a high upside dude. You can kind
of get him on maybe a little bit of a
by low deal. Probably get him we've mentioned, you know,
so far this offseason. Probably get him on a one
year deal with a team or a mutual option for
twenty twenty seven, assuming or presuming there is baseball to
be played in twenty twenty seven. That's a problem for
(11:19):
a different day. But I really like the idea and
the idea of also the payroll flexibility and understanding that
the Dodgers have a lot of pitchers. We've talked about
the starting rotation side of things. A lot of those guys,
they're not gonna have a ten man rotation, so some
of those dudes are gonna need to move into the
bullpen where you have you know, River Ryan, who could
be an elite reliever, Kyle Hurt who will be an
(11:41):
elite reliever, mark my words on that one. Ben Casparius
should be in the bullpen for the entirety of the year.
Next year, who knows if Roki Sasaki ends up in
the rotation or the bullpen. So next year, after twenty six,
you probably have a spot open with you know, Blake
trying to either not signing or retiring or whatever. Uh,
(12:02):
but you have enough dudes to backfill this where I
don't think you need a guy for three or four
or five years. So I don't That's why I don't
know that Edwin Diaz ends up wanting to come here,
but well.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I mean, yeah here, well it does, but if he
cares about the years, I don't think. I don't think
LA is the place for him. I just don't see.
I don't see Andrew Friedman and you know, uh Farhun
or whomever's signing the checks now doing five years for
for reliever or I really don't. Maybe he can go
five years to the Lakers if wants to.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No, I think we already did. Uh, we already did
our our our Lakers chat last week with h with
Andrew Friedman taking over or doing something whatever he's doing
for the Lakers. But guys, get more chats, in, get
more thoughts in we got.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We do have a super chat. I want to chat. Yeah,
super chat from three hundred gj W. I believe that
is it, says I see the following sign Devin Williams
and mike Yastremsky. Okay, that's an I don't hate it either.
That's an interesting it's an interesting play. I mean I would,
I don't hate that.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
No, how about we do this. Let's uh, let's take
a quick break, let's hear from our friends at foul Territory.
Then let's come back and we're gonna dive all the
way into the chat, so we will be right back
and we're going to address that comment further.
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love a good driving baseline.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I was gonna say, it's the music for me. It's
the music for me, all right, So get the chats
and the thoughts in the chat here.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I want to go back to that super chat though
from three hundred gj W mentioned Devin Williams. Yes, one
hundred percent on board with that one. You and I
spoke last week for our Thanksgiving show where you kinda
we glossed over mikey Stromsky on that list of that
I paired down to the twelve kind of cheaper free agents.
I had a little bit of an idea or a
(15:44):
little bit of of of a chat this offseason, a
little bit of a I guess dialogue about the idea
of signing Mike Stromsky as a you know, big time
fall fall fallback planned another you can call Michael Conforto
two point zero. I don't hate the idea of Yustromsky.
(16:05):
I don't know though that I'd rather just see this team,
you know, run, Alex Call and Ryan Ward out there.
But you were kind of against Yustromsky, you know, passingly
as we're trying to wrap up the segment, like what
are your real thoughts on all?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I just he just wasn't in my top three, you
know what I mean? Like that you presented it. The
way that we presented it to one another was like
if you're going to take a Black Friday deal or whatever,
who would it be? And I was he not that
I don't like Yaz. I just think that he wasn't
in my top three, right Yeah, So, but I mean
another left handed bat obviously he knows how to play
(16:39):
the outfield. Is he the end all be all? No,
But I don't know that you need an end all
be all. I mean this is this is a kid
that doesn't have the sexiest average in the world. He's
a two thirty eight lifetime in terms of batting average
OBP of three twenty four, slug four forty seven, ops
seven seventy two. You know, he's he's a serviceable player,
right Obviously, the majority of his time in the National
(17:01):
League with the Giants and then he was with the
Kansas City Royals for a hot second last year. You know,
the guy can give you some doubles. I mean his
his career year in terms of doubles was thirty one
back in twenty twenty two. I mean, he's not a
massive home run hitter, although in twenty twenty one he
did have twenty five long balls. And that's the majority
at least eighty one games in San Francisco, and that's
(17:23):
not easy to do. That's not an easy park to
hit home runs in. But you know, left handed bat
I don't I don't mind it, I don't hate it.
I mean, he can't be the centerpiece of anything, but
it's kind of bad. Signing. I mean, it all depends
on what they end up doing with ta Oscar I guess,
And if they're going to sign a legit center fielder.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, I don't know that they end up going going
and signing or even landing a legit center fielder. I
think that's our best case scenarios. For sure they end
up with a with a buckst In, or maybe they
signed Cody Bellinger. I think the market's going to be
that the price tags can be too high on Cody
for what kind of will almost feel like a somewhat
reduced role for him, even though it's not. But he
(18:04):
is not. He doesn't need to be the star that
he was in his first go round. And again, if
you're just having somebody who is filling in a spot
in left field with y and kind of kind of
lending to to Dave Roberts, he had mentioned other people
had mentioned the idea of bringing in people who hadn't won,
(18:26):
signing players who hadn't won, and having them kind of
chase that, you know, chase that want of to win,
chase a ring and all that kind of stuff, getting
different vibes in there. I could see, but I'm not
a huge fan of it. I'm not a man, not
a huge fan of it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm not against it, but I don't. I mean, he's
not somebody that I'm like, oh my gosh, that that's
a game changer, that's a team changer, you know what
I mean. Like, I just don't. I just don't. I
just don't see that.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Got an interesting Yeah, I got an interesting thought here
from slack Rabbit Tim saying this MOOKI Mookie fixed the
play with a with a move, batting him forth, moving
him down to the lineup and batting him forth. Of
course that's I don't think it. Is he batting Forth
by the end of the World Series.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I don't know. I don't think that. I think that's
too low.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I think you know, the Yeah, I know he's moved
out of the two hole. But yeah, yeah, maybe it was.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But again, I mean it was the World Series feels
like six years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Honestly, by the way, one month ago today they won,
So ten years.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Ago today, Dave was ten years ago today Dave was
announced as the daughter's manager.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah today. Anyways, Uh no, I I I believe they
end up moving keeping Mookie back in that two hole
by the time we get to the opening day and
all this kind of stuff. He's going to be better
than he was for the majority of last year. We
saw him go on a hot streak, we saw him
(19:52):
find something. He's going to be half healthy. He's going
to be not needing to worry as much about learning
the shortstop position. Mookie Bets, I don't know is I
don't know if he's gonna be all the way back,
but Mookie Bets will be back. I'll lay it out now.
He finishes top five and n L MVP voting in
twenty twenty six, throwing it out there, laying down the
(20:14):
gold Marcus five.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I mean, okay, top five, I can say top three,
probably not. I guess it's not.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Gonna win show. Hey exists.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He hit fourth in Game six and seven, So thank
you the Juggernaut fifty three, twenty seven. I'm gonna assume
that your correct Gordon names eighteen ninety two Bets Mookie
beat at third in the World Series. Yeah, third, I remember,
I didn't remember him batting fourth, but that's okay. It's
probably hammered.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's it. You got any particular chats you
want to hit before I find some of the other
ones that I have laying around saved some.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
No, no, no, no, how about this one. A lot of
these are related to our thought for the road, So
we'll wait for that, all right. So what about d
Alvarez twenty two? They should sign Walker Buler and turn
him into a closer. He's still good for one or two.
I don't hate that. I don't think Walker would do it, yeah,
because I think, first of all, starters get paid more. Walker,
(21:09):
I would believe, would want to prove himself that he
can still he can still do what he did. But
I don't hate Walker as a closer. I think that
he has such good stuff and one to two innings
if he can harness that fire for the you know,
like an eighth inning or a ninth inning role, I
don't hate that idea. I don't know that it's with
the Dodgers, but I don't hate Walker as a closer.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, I uh definitely don't see that that move happening,
just because you know, Walker is still buddy, young enough boy.
He can go out there and try to start. I
don't know if he's got anything left in the tank
right now, hopefully getting another year removed from that. Tommy
John he he finds a little bit of something, you
find some consistency. But yeah, much like last offseason, it's
not gonna be with the Dodgers. And I think now
(21:53):
even even more than it was last year. He he
doesn't make sense for for this uh this pitching staff.
Uh d Alvarez also had brought up and this was
one of the ones I had saved. They're not trading
glass Now or trading for schoobl I agreed on. I
agree on both. There was there was something that came
out last week of ESPN columnist Jesse Rogers mentioning that
(22:17):
you know it would or him mentioning that an MLB
executive said he could see the Dodgers trading from their
surplus of starting pitching starting pitching, and yeah, it wouldn't
be glass Now. I I agree more with your idea
of him it Chian because he's young, to cost controlled,
coming off a good year. Another team's gonna want that
rather than assuming a lot of Glasnow.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And Glasnow doesn't need to be an ace and that's okay.
He's he's perfect for our number three or number four.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Mm hm, I agree. Uh. Moving on, David had this
trade rushing bring back Austin Barnes.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
First thing hasn't had enough of a chance to do anything.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
They're not all winners. They're not all winners. Indigenous sixty
nine would love to see Kenlee Jansen back in Dodger uniform,
mentioned and that he is a Dodger legend, and also
saying I'd like to see Cody Bellinger, Devin Williams and
Kenlee Jansen. We talked last week on our Thanksgiving Black
Friday show about Kenley Jansen. I think I think he
(23:19):
he makes sense in yeah, filling the Kirby Yates role,
which they probably kind of don't need.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, I mean you also give him a chance every
once and again to get up you know, the saves
that he needs to get up to five hundred. You
know what I mean? Like, I don't. I wouldn't hate
Kenley back, just not as not in a closer role.
You said we don't need a closer, right, we could
have like six or seven.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I really don't think we need. This team needs a close,
needs a closer. That's the important part is really emphasizing
that needs. Our buddy Richie was in the chat. Is
for the love of God, can other Dodgers channel stop
with giving the secret to Dodgers and Glass now as
a trade bait talk a rest. It's all off season
clickbait bs, Richie. It's either you get no content or
(24:08):
you get bad content from at this time of year,
sometimes from some.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I'm gonna give you homework, Richie. Find out if Corey
Seeger in his eighteen no trade, if the Dodgers are
one of them, go find that out.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Che talk Yeah, talk to who's Who's Corey's a his agent?
Is that Casey Close? I think, oh yeah, no shit,
m what a dumb ass I am right now? Of
course is a boris. Let's see what else we got here? Yeah,
a lot of people really want us to talk about
the Rendon thing. We we will save that. We're gonna
talk about that for a baseball thought for the road,
(24:42):
so you guys can imagine it's it's it's Anthony Rindon related.
It is it is Angels related. Your boy has some thoughts,
So so we'll say that much. What else have we
got here?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
What about seeker A nine Mullins has been a exciting
to watch in Baltimore. Unfortunately for our blue Right now,
in the next two years of w Ares I can't
see or bus Oh world serious, sorry, our snow gotta
go bigger. Well, no, there's no there's no unbelievable outfield
(25:18):
or out there that I'd be like, oh my god,
that's amazing. And I'm not paying four hundred or four
hundred million for Tucker.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Sorry, no, no, I think that's man. That's the most
like to mean, he's such a red he like this
is where I feel show Hey broke baseball because then
again then you move that to a seven hundred and
sixty million dollar for Juan Soto, which is.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So ridiculous recording the man five million, like.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Mike Trout at the time was worth for sixty five
or whatever that extension. Kyle Tucker great baseball players. Just
I don't know. I don't I don't know what makes
up a four hund million dollar baseball player, but he's
he does not giving four hundred million dollars baseball player
to me.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah no, But again again it's I don't ever fault
the player, Like, get as much as you can get it, ye,
get it. But you know, who's to say who's worth what?
It's whatever they're willing to be whoever the owners are
willing to pay.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, you know, and I guess again the whole idea
of of of uh you know, it's not our money.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I wanna if you can recommend wine from Costco or
Trader Joe's. Which would you recommend? Uh Trader Joe's. I don't.
I don't have any uh Costco, which is like the
equivalent we have. We have Carco and BJ's out here.
They have some decent wine, like like like name friend
good stuff that like at Costco and BJ's. So I
(26:44):
don't know. You could do Nicola, you could do I
like Dowel that's from Passo Robles in California. They have
that there. They have Camus Camus is good. They have Voove,
which is my favorite champagne. So there you go all
the hard hitting.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
This has been drinking Quarner. Hey again, we haven't. We
haven't really done just to hang out with the chat
in quite some time. So I'm glad we're doing this.
Uh Oh, I don't know. Rose Rosamund Carrio.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
My favorite player out of Cuba. It's a great question.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Come on, you got you gotta make a puig.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now he's not my favorite player.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, I'm gonna need some like like the the wildness,
barely safe for work tweig story. You can tell that's
not like creepy and you're gonna to fame him in
any way.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I don't have any non creepy now. He's he'sus crazy.
He's just a crazy. He's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
My my first uh like media event I did with
the old job was covering the Poker tournament in twenty
eighteen and my hard hitting question a lot I was here.
I I know. My hard hitting question was what does
the bat taste like? Because he was liking at bats
at the time. He said he said, I don't know,
(28:08):
it tastes like crazy, and I was like, that's that's
the right answer.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
That's the thing about him is he doesn't always make
the best choices in life, but he does have a
very large heart. He's a very giving and generous human being.
He doesn't always Yeah, he's well, he's well intentioned, not
always well executed, let's let's put it that way.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I like Mike Lowell, who's Puerto Rican but Cuban. He's
one of my favorite people. Roll Bonya's one of my
favorite players out of Cuba.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah. Solid.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
The end the d Alvarez wants me to recommend a
good beer. Oh Man, good beer, all of them. It
depends on how I'm feeling. If I'm camping, there's nothing
that beats an ice cold Miller Lite that is a
great camping beer, setting up your tent and all that
kind of stuff. If I'm drinking with the boys, Modelo Pacifico,
you gotta you gotta get down with those.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I love how you like throw in the Spanish accent
there so people know that you're sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Basic Mira Mira o. Okay, I know, okay, okay, yeah, anyways,
I don't know. I mean those are mine. Eight o
five is also a good time. Give me a Corp's
banquet in the in the bullet bottle, that's also a
good time. Yeah, get them all from Costco as well,
not a sponsor. All right, we're gonna we're gonna move
(29:45):
on here. Appreciate people getting some thoughts, in getting some comments,
and we understand it's a weird point in the off season,
so hopefully people had a little bit of fun and
doing something a little bit there. I appreciate when we
get the opportunity to do something a little bit different,
and I always just the strict baseball talk. But now
we have some dog talk.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I do love hearing from our peaks peeps, but let's
hear from the pumpers next. All right, guys, as most
of you know, you know, you have Black Friday, then
you have Cyber Monday, then tomorrow on Tuesday, December second
is Giving Tuesday. It's where you have an opportunity to
(30:24):
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(30:45):
A dollar, I promise you a dollar will help. We
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Gidre's Guardian Foundation. Okay, So all Dodgers with Clint Pacis,
are you doing something? Maybe not not today today? What
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I gotta talk to I got to talk to the
fellows about what we're gonna end up doing. We will
have content this week. I planned on doing some stuff
over the weekend, but then life happened, and again there's
not much going on. And I would rather not force
content when I don't have to, because I would rather
present the best stuff we possibly can to people and
then dumb it down a little bit along the way.
(31:20):
But the best way to know when I'm going to
be live on my other YouTube channel to go subscribe
hit that notification. Bell do the same here really helps
us out. But I'm thinking this week we might start
a series of the always exciting twenty twenty five season grades.
We've been talking about doing that. This could be this week,
all right, Baseball thought for the road here is and
(31:41):
it happened. It popped up a whole bunch in the chat,
justin in particular, justin Lamas Yamas, however you say it.
He asked about it, a whole bunch.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, thoughts about Hollywood lifestyle aka Anthony Rendon getting bought
out in Anaheim and retiring and if we signed him
in LA back in twenty nineteen, and his last sentence
is the whole point of this. The Dodgers, no pun intended,
dodged bullet imagine if he wouldn't have said that LA
in terms of La proper was that Hollywood lifestyle that
(32:15):
just didn't suit him.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Apparently playing baseball didn't suit him either, because I played
more games at third for the Angels than Anthony Rendon
did over the tenure of the one of the worst
contracts in baseball history, and much better for Arty Moreno
to have given him that contract, and already, to his credit,
is given a lot of massive contracts to position players,
(32:37):
not always to pitchers, but to position players, many of
which have not worked out. Josh Hamilton, Albert poolholds, to
a certain extent, Mike Trout only because of the injury situation.
But Mike Trout, you know that he wants to play baseball,
okay it he hates it when he's not on the field.
Anthony Rendon, in my opinion, I don't know him personally,
(32:58):
just couldn't hate the game more than he does. And
maybe I'm completely wrong in that, but the point is
he has not played often for them. He was given
a massive, massive contract to the Washington Nationals credit they
only could take one contract on. They chose to take
on Stephen Strasburg instead of Anthony Rendon. That served them
well up until the end when Strasburg was like pretty
(33:19):
hurt and had to retire anyway. But I think you
ask anybody in that NAT's front office that was there,
they're glad that they took Strasbourg over Rendon. Rendon has
been a waste of space in Anaheim, and I feel
badly that the fans were subjected to somebody that was
paid that much that again, and he legitimately could have
been hurt. I'm never ishing wishing ill will or hurt
(33:42):
on a player, but he did not present himself well
and the optics of Rendon did not go well. And
now they have to probably buy out because it's all
guaranteed money in baseball, which I'm fine with, but now
they have to buy out the final year of a
contract that was an absolute bust. They could have built
a whole other Disneyland for that shit.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, I mean you could have, or he could have
you know, already could have signed a pitcher two or
three with that kind of money. Yeah. What a weird
ending to what was a very bright baseball career, very
bright baseball future. I mean to think that he essentially
played his last meaningful season as a twenty nine year
(34:25):
old or something like that, and he's been getting paid.
You know, he played the full season in twenty twenty
fifty eight of the sixty games. Of course did make
the postseason because Angels don't play for the postseason. That's
another whole conversation there. But yeah, just it's so so
weird and I love it. The main thing you said there,
most important thing you said there, amongst many great things
(34:45):
you said, was like the presentation of it. That's what
made it worse. He never once really seemed he never
to feel bad.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
He never ingratiated himself to the fans. And I'm not
saying you have to be you know, you have to
be the I don't even know the word like be
all kumba yat everything, but I mean, my god, at
least act like you like the game, oh man.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
And you know there are definitely some injuries in there.
There was definitely some woes. But yeah, the fact that
he just think.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Of the air conditioning system that Moreno could have put
in an Angel stadium if he wasn't playing.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Somebody said, uh, in the chat here, by the way,
they said a lot of cook in here. Somebody said
shots fired di Alvarez. Shots fired. Absolutely, And when it
comes to.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
The am I wrong, Like I have yet to see
anyone come to the defense of Anthony Rendon, active player,
former player, anybody?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
No, Yeah, just just a just a bad presentation overall.
Could have been a better career. Uh, couldn't have happened
to a better organization. So so congrats Anthony Rendon. Whatever,
it's obviously it's not official. It seems like he going to,
you know, retire and take some sort.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Of I'm stealing everything but a bag, but well, actually
you did steal a bag, A big bag I would take.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I would take that deal in a heartbeat to not
have to do a damn thing.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
But you know what I wouldn't. I would feel so guilty.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
If if someone gives me a dollar and I don't
pay it back or I don't work for it, I
feel I feel guilty. Right, So it's like if someone's
gonna give me that contract and I'm like, I'm worthless
and I can never be on the field, or I
can never do anything to support the team, or at
least like I don't care, I'll do any I'll fix
the AC I would feel so guilty if someone gave
(36:38):
me that amount of money and I'd never play.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah yeah, wild Tony two bags. Hopefully he likes golf,
even though he's probably just gonna shot. The best thing
that came out of it, this would be the last thing.
The best thing that came out of the entire Rendon
Angel saga is the memes.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
The memes have always just been like, I know, I
want a man that doesn't play games.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great one. God Either way, guys,
that's it for today on this Monday edition of the show.
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(37:46):
we'll see on the next round.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Have a good afternoon. We appreciate you very much. Go, daughters,
we'll see you Thursday.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Bye. Stay
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