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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Nerdron Collider podcast is a production of My
Heart Radio. Hi everybody, this is Large Nerdron Collider, the
podcast that's all about the giky things happening in the
world around us and how very excited we are about it.
I'm Ariel casting, and with me is the very impatient

(00:30):
Jonathan Strickland. All right, peak behind the curtain because we
have to explain what happened now. So yeah, I que
Ariel when it's time to start, because I'm the one
recording our episodes, and I was pointing at her and
she was looking off camera for a second, and so
that's why I was giving her a look. Now that

(00:50):
I've explained all that, Hey, Ariel, Oh yeah, I've got
a question for you. O. Great, what is it? Yeah?
That's a pretty good that's a pretty good Randy Savage
you got there. So Ariel, that that ties into your question.
You find yourself as a professional wrestler, what is the

(01:16):
name of your finishing move? All right? So, uh, it
would be the object permanence because you just have your
opponent close their eyes, you move out of their range
of vision, and now they don't know where you are. No, no, no,
no no. I would be an elbow to the head

(01:38):
that would cause them to lose their vision and I
would no longer know where I am. Okay okay, a
variation on the bionic elbow, a famous finisher by the
American dream Death De Rhodes. Yeah, I don't know. I'm
not trying to copy him. Either that or maybe the
Reluctant Mermaid, where I awkwardly flail my legs until I
make contact. I mean, there, listen. It sounds ridiculous, but

(02:03):
there have been even more ridiculous finishers in the history
of wrestling. So I think you're good, Oh excellent. Well,
maybe I'll make a combo and that will be my
finishing move. What about yours. So I've wrestled a couple
of times um as as the Grammarian. That was my
wrestling persona, and I did have a finishing move, and

(02:25):
originally my finishing move was going to be the dangling participle,
but I had to had to change that and it
became the independent Iron Claus. What did that look like?
Because I knew that you played the Grammarian in like
a improv wrestling sort of a thing at Dad's garage,
but I didn't know you actually wrestle. Oh yeah, no,

(02:45):
we had a full ring and everything for the final
show of this improvised comedy that was a wrestling show
called Brawl. Uh. They had a local wrestling school get
involved and it actually became a big storyline. And we're
gonna talk about wrestling more later in this episode, so
that's why this is kind of foreshadowing. But they set

(03:05):
up a ring in the parking lot of the Dad's
garage theater space and at the at the second half
of the show, it all took place in the ring,
and one of the big final matches was a Royal
Rumble style match that included every wrestler they could get
who had wrestled in at least one match in Brawl,

(03:28):
and I had done that and so I was one
of them. It's funny because some of the improvisers had
played multiple characters, so they pulled a Mick Foley and
would get eliminated, run to the back, change costumes, come
back out, joined the match again. It was chaos and
fun and I'm glad I had a chance to do it,
and I'm glad that's not my my job all the

(03:50):
time always, But did you actually describe what your your move,
my my iron The independent Iron Claws was that it
was an iron claw, which is, you've got this, you
grip a person and your your hand goes across their
face and like the thumb and middle finger hit the
temples and you squeeze, and squeezing the temples causes such

(04:12):
pain in your opponent and your your grip is just
so incredible that they are forced to tap out and
give up the shek used the iron claw, like there's
there's all these different folks who were famous for using
the iron claw as um as they're finishing move. H

(04:32):
I like it. I like it. It's um effective yet simple. Yes,
that's the important part. Like it's it's a move that
doesn't rely upon your opponent doing like half the work
or more for you in order for the move to
look good. Because a lot of wrestling moves are like that.
But we'll talk about that more later in this episode. First,

(04:53):
we want to get to some of the news stories,
and we're gonna start off by talking about something that's
a bit of a bummer but it's imp yes, which
is there are a number of productions that have paused
production due to positive COVID cases. Among them, is the
House of the Dragon, which is the prequel to Give
of Thrones on HBO, as well as Matilda and Britain

(05:15):
on Netflix. Um, you know, and it's unfortunate that we're
still experiencing these pauses. Obviously with the delta variant, COVID
is not over. But um, you know, as an actor,
I'm happy that they are still taking precautions and testing
casts and you know, making sure that if there is

(05:36):
something that that they pause and get it under control first,
because that means that all of us actors can keep
working in film and television I suppose as possible, especially
with like Matilda because that features children and I'm sure
some of them will be under twelve and they can't
get vaccinated yet. Yeah, so this is you know, it's
a bummer news. It's a bummer to hear about anyone

(05:58):
testing positive for COVID. But the the fact that these
are productions that do take it seriously. Um. And you know,
you could argue while they have to because of business
or insurance or whatever, but I strip all that away.
I say, the important thing to remember here is that
people's health and safety is important, and these productions are

(06:21):
treating that seriously. And with the goal of getting things
back on track once things are under control. So you know, yeah,
I agree, like the Delta variant has really thrown monkey
wrenches into everyone's plans. Like everyone is just ready for
this to be on in the in the rear view

(06:42):
mirror and for us to leave it behind. It's good
for us to remember that we still need to be careful,
we still need to practice you know, good safety measures,
and you know, even vaccinated people can still come down
with COVID. It's unfortunate, but it's one of those things
that if we keep that in mind and we still
are careful, we can get through this with you know,

(07:06):
not so much catastrophe. So here's hoping. Yeah. I also
to say, like some of the articles are saying indefinitely,
I think it's important that you said that their goal
is to get back to production as soon as they can.
They're just not putting it like video games who say, oh,
we're going to release by this date, as opposed to

(07:27):
making sure that their release is based upon when their
video game is ready. I appreciate that these these production
houses are saying we're pausing indefinitely, which doesn't mean forever.
A lot of people take indefinitely as forever, but it
means until it's safe to start again. And you know,
film and television is still a business. As much as
the people who are in it are passionate about it,

(07:48):
they'll start again as soon as I can. So yeah, yeah,
it'll be ready when it's ready is a pretty good
philosophy to follow, I think. Otherwise we do get like
you point out, we get like the video games that
get really east and then on day one you've got
like an eight gigabyte patch to download so that the
game is playable, and even then it's still mass Effect

(08:08):
and Drameda and it's terrible. So not as bad as cyberpunk. Yeah, okay,
we can alwaysmeda, we can always find worse examples. But
a good example of a video game was The Last
of Us. And now we have a little bit more
fun news about the uh, the adaptation, the series adaptation

(08:30):
of Last of Us. Yeah, I think it's super timely,
not only because it's a video game, but it deals
with the pandemic and it deals with business. So the
news all around, great segue. The news is that the
Last of Us might become They're they're saying it may
become the most expensive television series to be produced, way

(08:53):
more than the final season of Game of Thrones, which
was six episodes, uh like, and millions of dollars. But
we talked about recently the Lord of the Rings also
trying to claim that title. So I think it's really interesting. Yeah. No,
if if it turns out that The Last of Us
is a more expensive series to make than the Lord

(09:14):
of the Rings series, I will be shocked because for
those who have not played The Last of Us and
don't know anything about it, it follows in the wake
of a essentially a zombie outbreak. That's the idea. Hey fun.
It also deals with the pandemic um. It involves this
this disease. It's like this fungus that can infect humans

(09:39):
and essentially take them over. It's it's based off a
real thing that happens with insects, and the characters are
living in a world where there's the classic zombie trope
combination of you've got to worry about the monsters and
you also gotta worry about the other people, because it
turns out the other people where the real monsters the

(10:01):
whole time. Any any sorry, little buddy trail, anytime there's
a TV show where there are like monsters and the
people who are acting like monsters, the people are always
way scarier. The episode where it was just some crazy
murderous people of Supernatural was way worse than any viathans, werewolves, vampires, demons. Yeah,

(10:23):
I mean you could argue that Negan was was way
scarier and Walking Dead than any zombie was. Right, Like,
first of all, he was way more effective in taking
out primary members of the cast, so much so that
I had to stop watching. But yes, yes, so so
we are interested to see, like how does that end
up becoming the most expensive series ever made? Because like

(10:45):
Walking Dead is made or you know, had been made
for a long time here in Atlanta. They tends to
be made in the metro Atlanta area now and uh
and you look at that and you think, well, they
are telling a post apocalyptics worry, but it clearly doesn't merit.
Mentioned is one of the most expensive series ever made,
So what the heck is going on with the last

(11:07):
of Us? Also, I'm curious to see what the adaptation
is going to be like, because video games and movies
and TV are fundamentally different. A sequence that can be
really fun to play through in a video game that
might take you an hour to get through. Doesn't make
good television. You can't just you know, watch an hour
of someone slowly sneaking through a junkyard or something that

(11:29):
would be boring. So they're gonna have to create a
lot of content to fill out the story for the
Last of Us, which will you know, then you run
into the danger of alienating the fans of the game,
the people that presumably you were trying to attract to
watch the show. So a lot of unanswered questions about
this series, But the big one is how the heck

(11:49):
is it so darn expensive? I mean, maybe what they're
doing is they're filming everybody and then they're putting like
a c g I overlay, so it's got like a
sul rotos rotoscoping everyone, their rotoscoping everyone, even though it's
going to, I believe, be live action. Yeah. Maybe maybe
they Maybe they just had to get really super expensive

(12:12):
guitar lessons for Pedro Pascal, maybe to play Joel. Maybe
he broke like maybe he's a rage player and he
broke like it's a thing, it's a real thing. Uh,
new new wrestling character. Maybe he's a rage player, and
for every like three bars of music he plays, he

(12:33):
breaks like seven guitars. Maybe maybe they wanted him to
be in the Mandalorian outfit the entire time, and it's
just paying the licensing fees to Disney. I mean, like
that might protect you against plant fungus. I don't I
don't know. It seems pretty effective art actually kind of
thing that that armor would develop all sorts of fungus
on the inside. But I don't know, you know what,

(12:54):
why don't we Why don't we leave that behind and
move on to something else? Sure? Ah, So our next
story is that there was a prequel to Greece that
was being developed on HBO Max and then it got
moved to Paramount Plus and now it's been picked up
for ten episodes and that is has been renamed to

(13:16):
be Grease Rise of the Pink Ladies. So it's a
prequel all about French. She and Rizzo and the other
two Jan and Marty, Marty is Marichino. Like the Cherry, Yeah,
like the Cherry. I was like Cherry Cherry. No, that's

(13:36):
just how people remember her name. Well, apparently it wasn't
very effective. I like that all the different articles I
read about this all referenced the movie as if that
was the original story, But it's not. The movie was
an adaptation of the musical that came before it. But anyway, um,
and also, as dirty as the movie is, it's nowhere
near as dirty as the original stage play was. Um.

(13:59):
So this is a pre well about some of the
supporting characters of that story. And one thing we do
not know, because none of the references that I found
had any mention of it, is whether or not this
too will be a musical or if it's going to
be like no, I mean, it's about characters who appear
in the musical book, why would we have them singing
this one? Um? And we we know that originally this

(14:23):
was going to be a show that followed various characters
who show up in Greece, but they decided to really
focus on the pink ladies. And uh, I think that
that's a really cool decision that it means that we're
going to get a story that I think could be
really interesting and compelling, particularly when it comes to uh

(14:44):
specific types of social taboos that were even more pronounced
in the nineteen fifties. I think that that could be
really interesting. I was I was going to say the
same thing. I think it will be very neat to
see where where culture has changed and where it's really
stayed the same between then and now. And and also

(15:05):
like so the Greece the movie at least, I don't
think I've ever actually seen the stage play outside of
when they did it live on TV, which is not
the same thing. That was almost more like a stage
adaptation of the movie. But yeah, yeah, yeah, And like
it plays a lot to stereotypes, right, like all of
the characters to stereotypes. But if you go back and

(15:26):
you're watching, you actually watch the performances, like there is
a lot of nuance to Rizzo and French Sheet that
you can see that there's a lot going underneath there,
like exterior shells, and they don't dive very deeply into it.
So yeah, Rizzo. Rizzo was played by Stockard Channing, and
she brought the type of nuance that only a thirty
four year old can bring to the role of a teenager. Listen,

(15:51):
I would not I'm not thirty four, but I would
also not turn my nose up and playing a teenager.
I also don't look like a teenager, so it's not
going to happen, but you know there are There was
an article I read recently this is the episode of
Buddy Trios, and it was comparing actors when they first
played a character to other actors in the show who
are now that initial actor's age. So like Ross was

(16:14):
twenty eight when he started in Friends in Cole Sprouse
is now twenty eight, who played Ross's son. And I
look at Cole Sprouse and I'm like, well, he looks
like he's twelve. And I look at Ross at twenty
eight and I'm like, well, he looks like he's forty.
And I I don't know why these older people who

(16:34):
played younger people still like look older than that to me,
or they look older than the actual age they were,
but nowadays they all look younger. And then you've got
people like ming now when and Paul Rudd who just
appeared to defy time. Yeah, Michelle, youo like time doesn't
happen to those people. I want some of what they've got. Yeah, well,

(16:56):
let's let's finish out with a couple of other stories
that are going to tie into our mash up later
in the episode. One is that the Willows series is
on director number three. Yes, but unlike you know, some
other some other Disney properties. It's not because there were disagreements,
it's just um they had They had to do some recasting,

(17:18):
and production got pushed and so the first two directors,
John Shoe and Jonathan and Whistle I love that last name,
both had to move on to other projects that they
were slated for. So Stephen Wolfenden, who worked on Outlander,
stepped up. He was already involved with Willow, but he said, okay,
I'll direct these And so it hasn't stopped production, it

(17:41):
hasn't slowed things down really good. I think, yeah, I think.
You know, Outlander has a lot of faults. It's got
a lot of faults, and there are certain storylines that
I absolutely do not like. But I think that style
of storytelling will transfer well to a Willows so well.
And and in case you don't know what Willow is,

(18:03):
it was a fantasy film from the late eighties that
Ron Howard directed. It was from Lucasfilm, and uh, it
was very sort of like Lord of the Rings Light right, Like,
I had a lot of elements that you would associate
with Tolkien style fantasy, so much so that a lot

(18:24):
of people are like oh this is you couldn't get
the rights to the Hobbit, so you made a different
Hobbit style movie. Um. So yeah, I'm actually really eager
to to see this. I love Willow. I have a
niece who's named after a character from Willow. So um,
I'm I'm I can't wait to see how this turns out.
And our final story is about a series about rassling. Rassling. Yeah.

(18:51):
Steven Amel, who many people know as Arrow in the
CW Aero show he was, has been filming a new
show into called Heels. Yeah, and it's set in Georgia too.
It's set in Georgia, and it's not about high heels,
it's about well, the show is about wrestling in general.
But you know, he plays the heel. He plays the

(19:13):
bad guy. Um in his wrestling troop Is that correct,
Jonathan troops wrestling tu Yeah, no, it's wrestling ensemble. Um.
It's stable was what you would usually call it as
a stable, and stable as roster is really more accurate
because the stable is like a specific small group of people.
He has a wrestling promotion and he and his brother

(19:36):
are the top heel and top baby face of that
promotion and the story is about the two brothers and
their struggles in how the wrestling promotion should be run.
So there's this whole idea of you've got the fantasy
rivalry that plays out in the ring, and then you've
got the real world drama and rivalry that's happening behind

(19:57):
the scenes, and how those two overlap and interfere with
one another and influence one another. And this is like,
this is something that actually happens with wrestling. I mean,
there is obviously there's like backstage drama that can spill
out over onto onstage actions um sometimes to the benefit
of a show, sometimes to its detriment, and this is

(20:20):
really playing with that and also just the idea of
what are the realities of running a small independent wrestling
promotion in like a rural region and what are the
uh difficulties in making that a viable business, because that
is something that to this day, there are some small

(20:40):
regional promotions out there that you, unless you're like a
hardcore wrestling fan, you just don't know about because you've
probably only heard of the w w E and you
might have heard about a couple of others that have
most of which have come and gone since so uh.
And Emma Amel is like a bone fight wrestling fan.

(21:02):
He's he's appeared in other like wrestling shows. He is
an in shape dude, So I expect the actual like
wrestling sequences to be really athletic. I did too, you know,
I'm always excited when the people in a show were
fans of what that show is about before starting. It
doesn't mean that you can't do amazing if you weren't,

(21:24):
but it always just adds a little bit extra. And
you know, unlike Glow, which was which still had some
very real circumstances in it was based on a true
uh roster, I suppose this feels a lot more down
to earth, so um. You know, it feels it feels
very slice of life considering it's dealing with wrestling characters. Yeah,

(21:47):
and so we're going to take a break, but when
we come back, we're gonna talk a little bit more
about rasslin. I'm gonna quiz miss Ariel on some rassling terms.
See what she thinks about them, and is so good
it should be fun. Listen, listen, there are no wrong answers,
except there are totally some wrong answers. But it's okay
because wrestling is a very insular kind of profession, and

(22:12):
by its nature it is about you know, having this
exclusive language. But we're gonna come back, so you'll find
out how Arial does under quiz after we take this
quick break. All right, we're back in its team to

(22:38):
talk about wrestling. Do I have to do that voice again?
Because you do not know? You do not you? You
occasionally have to do auditions and stuff. Let's not do
that now. Originally, the idea for this segment Ariel had
put down as as talking about movies and TV shows
that are either about wrestling or feature wrestling, and whether

(23:00):
they are, you know, kind of accurate to what it's like,
or if they really fictionalize it. Here's what I'll say
about that, Um, Nacho libre obviously a percent accurate. It's like,
that's it, that's it, that's all you need know. Not
I mean Jack Black, Jack Black is a wrestler, right,

(23:21):
Oh yeah, that guy can that guy can take a hit. No, um, Like,
like I would say, like, there are only a few
movies out there that really deal with pro wrestling as
a main part of the story. Some of them are
very much in the fictional world of wrestling, like no
Holds Barred, which was the terrible Hulk Hogan movie. UM.
And then others are way more like brutally honest and

(23:45):
truthful about what it can be like, especially for people
who never make the big times or have you know
their their era is over. And the best example of
that is Darren Aronofsky's The Wrestler, a phenomenal movie, heart
breaking movie. Also that was like the movie where Marissa

(24:05):
Tomay made her comeback and was like, like, I was
floored by her performance. I mean, I love her. We're
just fighting with my family, fault fighting when my family
is a fictionalized account of the history of Page, one
of the women wrestlers who wrestled for w w E. UM,

(24:27):
and it's pretty entertaining, like it's it's it takes some
big liberties with the actual events that led to Page
joining w w E. It invinced a couple of things
that just didn't happen. It evinced a person. There's the
her mentor is not someone who actually existed. Um. I
guess it was supposed to be a a version of

(24:50):
Dutch Mantell, but it was like Hutch Morgan I think
was the name of the character. I mean much less silly. Yeah, well, uh,
certainly not the increa credible mustache of Dutch Mantell, but
the the the movies like it definitely shows how people
can get really wound up in the thought of joining

(25:14):
the big times. And of course it stars Florence Pugh,
who I adore. Now the more I actually, the more
behind the scenes stuff I see of her, the more
I love her. Yes, yes, I agree, she's she's a
really great actress. Even though I never watched Midsummer I
watched so I watched the first couple of minutes of
Midsummer her she has an emotional breakdown. This is not

(25:37):
a spoiler. The movie opens with a devastating event and
her character has the most raw, heartbreaking emotional reaction to
that that I have ever seen on film. And I
had to stop the movie because it affected me too much.
That's amazing. I know the rest of the movie would
affect me too much. Like I know, that's a level

(25:59):
of disturbing that I just cannot deal with. Um, But
she's a She's amazing. And yeah, kick Lawrence, if you
ever want to join on the show, you've got an
open invitation. Yeah, well, we'll have you on we'll even uh,
we'll even learn some British slang so that we can communicate. Probably,
I'm sure you already know a whole bunch of British slang. Well,

(26:20):
let's find out how much wrestling slang you know, alright, alright,
so you you already know that he'll means bad guy, right, So,
so like wrestling typically has like good guys and bad guys,
although you know, depending on what area you're looking at,
the lines get kind of blurry. So do you know
what good guys are called in wrestling? Only because of

(26:41):
the heels or heels trailer, which is the face? Yes,
do you know what face stands for? Uh? Freaking awesome champion,
ego nice? It's non acronym. No. Face is short for
baby face because if your baby face, then you're gonna

(27:02):
have to be a good guy because no one's going
to buy a baby faced heel. I just figured if
you were a baby face, you were green because nobody
let their out of the ring emotions come into the ring,
which is really scary in stage combat, by the way,
which I consider wrestling. Um, yeah, we haven't messed you
up yet. Yeah. First of all, using green is great
because that's also used a lot intersting. Okay, here's here's

(27:23):
a big one. K thebe. What is k thebe Uhrian,
don't think about it as an acronymic, like it's just
a turn kbe y f a b okay alright, because
k fabe sounds like K pop. So um kafabe um

(27:45):
I'm okay, I'm fabulous. Not quite. It's it's you say
it when you're when you're when someone thinks you took
a real hint instead of a pretend hint, and you're
telling them you're all right, nope, nope. So k thebe
is the doll, that's the show. That's like, that's that's
like the veil between the show and reality. Right, So

(28:05):
with Kathy, you would be putting on the front that
this face and this heel really hate each other. And
back in the day, like in the early days of wrestling,
all the way up through the eighties and into the nineties,
kithbe was taken very seriously to the point where in
some promotions it was expressly forbidden for wrestlers who were

(28:26):
heels and faces to travel together. They could not be
seen together because that would break the illusion of kabekfbe
essentially means fake kabe, So it's kind of like, you know,
pig Latin or something along those lines. And this stems
back to the times when wrestling was part of the
carnival circuit. So way back in the day, wrestlers, professional

(28:49):
wrestlers would take on local folks to you, you know, like,
you know, last three rounds and you win twenty five bucks,
that kind of thing, right, And occasionally you would run
into a guy who might actually be able to put
up a decent fight against a trained professional wrestler. So
typically they take those people aside and say, hey, we're

(29:10):
gonna go ahead and pay the money, and you're just
gonna take the fall in the second round, and but
you're not gonna tell anyone that you did. You're gonna,
you know, it's gonna present the illusion. And CABE just
kind of continued after that and it existed along everything else.
So here's your next term, jerk the curtain. What does

(29:30):
it mean to jerk the curtain? I guess it means
to blow your cover and to travel with a face
and a heel together. It's it's an interesting take on
that that is not what it means but I like
that guests, is it when is it when you pant somebody? No, No,
that's that's that's ribbing, no jerk. The curbit curtain is

(29:54):
when you open a show, it's your first you're the
first match, jerking the curtain in the side to be
the first match. Typically you're setting the tone for the night.
So a lot of people think about, like going on
first is kind of being low on the order of
things because you know, maybe people are still coming into

(30:15):
the show, maybe they're not really paying attention. Other people
look at as a challenge to really like set a
bar so high that no one else can meet it. Look,
it's like being the opening act at a big concert. Yeah,
which sometimes like you can put the headliner to Shane,
Like that does happen? All right? What is enhancement talent?

(30:37):
That this is a kind of almost a family show.
I can't really not that kind of enhancement. What what
would enhancement talent? It's it's a sidekick when you can't
when you when you when the audience loses interest in
you and they bring on a second so that they
are renewed in their vigor for you. What's funny is

(30:58):
that you're you know, there are people who do that.
They typically are either valets or managers. But they are
not no enhancement talent. They have another name, jobber. Does
that tell you what they are? If they're a jobber
doing the job, do you have any idea what that means? Oh?
So they put on a latex mask of the wrestler

(31:19):
and they go out when the wrestler is sick or
on vacation, tend to be there the replacement wrestler. No
a job a jobber or in well, in a way
they do. The jobber or an enhancement talent is someone
who's hired to lose. They are they are there to
make the other person look good by being the guy
that gets thrown around the ring and totally destroyed. Right. So,

(31:41):
back in the early days, like again in the eighties
and nineties, you saw enhancement talent or jobbers on wrestling shows. Eventually,
shows like w w E and w c W started
to have more known wrestlers facing off against other known wrestlers,
which meant that there is less of a demand for
enhancement talent or jobbers. Um, I'll just get do a

(32:04):
couple more because I don't want us to go on forever.
All right, how what do you what do you think
a dusty finish is when it's a really old wrestler
and you actually kill him in the ring? Okay, funny,
and I'm sorry that was very grim. I'm so sorry everybody, now,

(32:24):
So a dust finish is about the American dream, Dusty Rhodes,
who used the book these finishes all the time, baby,
let me tell you what they are. So a dusty
finish is this is something that drives fans crazy because
especially if you do it too many times, like with
that accent. That's that's the American dream, Dusty Rhodes. That's
how he talked. Uh. I met him once and he

(32:47):
was exactly the same in person as he was on TV,
and he was incredibly nice to me. Um. But the
dusty finish is where you finish a match where it
looks like the good guys going to win, like the
good guy has won the match, when suddenly someone rushes
in and because of some other element, there is a
disqualification instead, like, oh we thought that the good guy won.

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Like every the crowd's really happy, they're all excited, but
then someone rushes in and steals the win away because
of some technicality like like maybe uh, someone else interfered
at just the right moment, so it ended in a disqualification.
So if it's something like a title match, traditionally the
title does not change hands. If the victory came by disqualification,

(33:33):
you have to win by count out or or tap
out that kind of thing. Um, I'll do just a
couple of well, one one, tiny one. This is the
last one I'll do for you. What what does pop
and heat mean? They are similar things, they relate to

(33:55):
one another. Was pop and heat? So a heat is
like around, like a around in the match, like you
like you have rounds in boxing or UFC, which I'm
assuming there's a lot less actual injury and wrestling, and
if there's actual injury they kind of hide it as
opposed to you have c your boxing where they delighten it.
I'm hoping I'm going to pretend, so, uh, a heat

(34:15):
is an actual round, and then a pop is like
around that doesn't count as around, Um, like like a
baby round. I like how I like how you've you
created rounds and wrestling. Usually wrestling matches don't happen in rounds.
They usually just go until Sometimes there's a time limit,
but I mean sometimes there's a stated time limit to

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the audience. There's always a time limit. By the way,
like the bookers of the show know how long these
matches have to go, right, Like they're like, okay, well
you're going to get you know, twelve minutes, do your match,
and then the referee. The main reason the referee is
there is to communicate to the wrestlers like, hey, matches over,
you need to go home. Go home means to go

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into the final sequence of a match. No. A pop
is when the crowd has a big positive reaction. So
like a beloved, heroic wrestler comes out, the crowds cheers
and stands on its feet, and that's a pop. Uh.
There's also the cheap pop. Cheap pop is when you

(35:18):
do something really like obvious just to get applause. So
Mick Foley would do this all the time. He'd be like,
it's sure as great to be back here in Atlanta, Georgia,
and everyone would cheer, and like he would call it
out that it was the cheap pop. Uh. Heat is
the opposite. Heat is a negative audience reaction. It's what
the heels want to get right, the heels want to

(35:41):
come out and have people just hate them and boo
and yell, and if that's happening, that means the heel
is doing their job correctly. So uh. Heat can also mean,
by the way, animosity between people, and that can either
be you know, fictional, or it could be real, like
behind the scenes, these two people really don't like each

(36:02):
other and there's heat between them. One of the interesting
things about wrestling is that this terminology and by the way,
they're like dozens of other terms, like I could talk
about marks for example, which is another term that comes
up from the carnival days. But a lot of the
interesting things is things about this is that they will
use these terms outside of the context of wrestling to

(36:26):
refer to other stuff. And if you ever listened to
like Stone called Steve Auston, he uses the word gimmick
to describe pretty much anything. At this point, they got
to pay these gimmicks they call bills. Um like it's
it's just funny, like it's it's really interesting. It's it's
really a subculture within the wrestling community. And then there's

(36:48):
an even you know, tighter subculture among the wrestlers themselves.
Um I have studied it for years, uh and I
love it. I think I think it's really fast state.
I also have a complicated relationship with wrestling because on
the one hand, I find it entertaining. On the other,
it is undeniable that the the entertainment has tremendous wear

(37:12):
and tear on the people who are in it, and
it can lead to some serious injuries and worse down
the line. A lot of sports do though. Um it's
interesting because wrestling does does crossover with geek hum a lot,
but it's not one that's often like talked about, not
not nearly as often as it actually crosses over. Like

(37:33):
when Skyrim came out and they made that they made
the mod where the dragon we go, oh yeah, you
know every time we breathe fire, or you know, like
the fact that the Rock is doing Joyne Johnson is
doing a lot of media. John Cena Macho Man, played
Boned faws Ready in the Spider Man movie. Yes, yes,

(37:57):
Or you know that John Cena has to really broken
the k fab and it's coming back Kabe but I
like that k fab fabulous fabulous that he's coming back
um to wrestling apparently, is he a baby face or he'll, uh,
technically he's a baby face, but he's he was. He

(38:18):
was elevated so frequently and pushed so hard. Pushed means
like you're you're kind of put into the spotlight and
you're given like a very prominent spot in the in
the wrestling promotion. He was pushed so hard and presented
as such an unbeatable baby face that a lot of
fans kind of turned on him and especially the dudes,

(38:41):
and would boo him when he would come out, even
though his character hadn't really changed. And the interesting thing
is that, like he has consistently presented himself as someone
who talks about perseverance and you know, really putting in
the work, and the dude is legit like crazy strong,
like it's you can't fake strength. He has picked up

(39:03):
the Big Show, one of the largest guys ever and
slammed him multiple times. So he's a and he seems
like a really decent dude too, Like he does like
make a wish stuff all the time and seems like
a genuinely nice person. So it's kind of a shame
that he gets he gets crapped on by the fans,
But he's he's too technically a baby face. Do you

(39:23):
think he'll wear his peacemaker helmet when he goes back
in the ring. I have a feeling from mostly because
Batista never came out in full drags makeup in order
to wrestle, So I'm so sad. Anyhow well, when we
come back, we're gonna do a mash up um which
doesn't have wrestling in it, but it does have something

(39:45):
else we talked about in it. That was graceful, Jonathan,
that was a graceful segue for the for the break.

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I was a little bit one. Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean,
like I honestly, I don't know that wrestling is not
in it because I don't know what your mash up
is like yet. Well, I have already proven that I
am the utmost authority on all things wrestling, so obviously
it's very wrestling centric. We should have done something more
wrestling centric, but instead we're doing a match up with Willow,

(40:30):
who he kind of already talked about, and Doctor Who.
And the way around to Doctor Who was kind of
a long one, partially because they've announced it. Christopher eccleston
and Billy Piper are both going to be at Dragon
Con this year where also they often have wrestling. We're
often you know, I have a childhood friend who has
wrestled at Dragon Con, so I thought it was just
just tie wrestling in so that there would be some

(40:51):
connection there. There you go, There you go. Christopher Eckleston
is one of my favorite Doctor Who's and Doctor Who's
filmed in England, where uh where people speak with British accents.
And another news article we didn't talk about is that
kids have been watching pepper Pigs so much during the
pandemic that American children are starting to speak with British

(41:12):
accents to their parents and using British slang. So I'm
asking for things like mince pies, which just aren't a
thing in America, saying Mommy, I'm going to the optometrist
or something like that. Yeah. So so you know, the
long way around. But we're we're mixing up Doctor Who
with Willow. I thought this was going to be an

(41:33):
easy challenge, yeah, but it was not. So so again,
Willow is that fantasy film from the nineteen eighties where uh,
Warwick Davis plays the character of Willow of Good. He's
what they call Annelwyn, which is kind of like a hobbit.
He wants to be a sorcerer, he's not terribly good
at it yet, and he comes into the charge. He

(41:57):
becomes the guardian of a baby named Laura Dannon, who
has prophecied to bring about the end of an evil
Queen Bavmorda's rule over this fantasy land. Um, it's a
fun movie. Uh, You've got a lot of fun performances
in it, including Vell Kilmer as a totally not trying

(42:20):
to do an accent mad Mortigan. Um, kind of a
kind of a Han Solo type swashbuckling sort of character. Uh,
you know, the rogue ish sort of guy. And it's
it's a fun film. And then you've of course got
Doctor Who, the character of the time Lord who travels
through space and time, having adventures, helping various people and

(42:42):
aliens and occasionally kidnapping humans to act as companions. Important
for my mashup, Doctor Who is a Gallifran. Gall Frans
have two hearts. It comes up occasionally in the show
if you don't watch it. Yes, so would you like
to go first? Uh? Yeah, because I have a yes,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go first. Okay, So this is

(43:05):
called Daichini. Who Daichini in the world of Willow means
human human, So uh yeah, that's the apex of this
mash up. But cool. Evil Queen bav Morda is trying
to keep a child from being born, one who was
four told to be her downfall, the child born with

(43:25):
the birthmark shaped like two hearts. Despite the evil queen's
best efforts, when the child is born, it is whisked
away to safety and out of her clutches. The queen
has no idea how the baby manages to survive the
horde of how, and she sends after it to kill it.
But if you were near to the baby, you would
have heard a faint hum come from the baby swaddling. However,
that hum also subconsciously attracted the attention of Willow and

(43:48):
no one living in a nearby village, who then took
on the task of returning the baby to its family,
having no idea how much danger it was in. Shortly
into his journey, he runs into a roguish fellow named
mad Martigan and agrees to give him the baby. All
of a sudden, will Here is well, then that's enough
of that. Come from the baby's carrier when he goes
to uncover the baby. A grown woman steps out. She
introduces herself as the Doctor and holds aloft her rattle

(44:10):
sonic screwdriver, which makes an odd humming noise. All of
a sudden, everything around will Ooh and Mad Martigan shimmers,
and they find themselves nodded across roads or forest or
even in the mother world. Willow and everyone else is
in a large metal room, and that Martigan isn't Mad Martigan,
he's some sort of person in a long wool gray peacoat.
Willow is confused and also disoriented and asks what's going on.

(44:33):
The doctor explains that she was in the middle of
a partial regeneration to heal some bad wounds that she got,
but not enough to make her change bodies completely, just
enough to kind of put her out of it for
a little bit, so she had to heal, and that
the Master a k a. Missy a k a. Queen
bav Morda combined forces with the evilist aliens and the
Galaxy to capture the doctor mid regeneration and put all

(44:54):
of the Doctor's energy into a tiny neutralizing vessel the baby.
Then Missy in the their aliens put that vessel into
a simulation and placed a hologram over everyone in that simulation.
So the knock Mar Hounds weren't really knock More Hounds,
they were Reapers. Brownies weren't brownies, they were at opposed
abrascous monsters were really in an alien called the drash

(45:15):
Higg and vav Morda's army was consistent entirely of Cyberman
and Slavine, led by Davros, who she called General Kale,
and Matt Martigan was none other than that Jack Hartness
who ran torch Wood. Thankfully, the vessel didn't neutralize the
doctor for as long as Beth Morta was hoping, and
the doctor regained her senses as the doctor always does,

(45:37):
just in time to avoid being put into Jack's care,
because well, that would be a recipe for disaster. The
news was all very confusing to Willow and made him
question who he was or was he even real, but
the doctor told him not to worry. He was, in
fact real. He was plucked from his home planet to
care for her in her helpless vessel form in an
effort to keep her from realizing everything was off and

(45:58):
regaining her wits, The doctor said, now that you know
you could return home, or you could just travel the
stars with me. Your a choice, but first let's make
things right, and she and Jack and Willow rushed into
stop the army of space villains. At the end of
the battle, while Willow missed his home and his friends,
he felt he couldn't return knowing everything he knew now,

(46:21):
so he opted to become the Doctor's new companion and
traveled with her until he was so tired of seeing
the stars that he could travel no more, at which
point the Doctor put him on one of his favorite
planets that they ever traveled to during their adventures in
the Outer Rim Sector, where he became a freedom fighter
under the alias Weasel and No. No, I know you're
thinking it. You think that Laura Dannon is the Doctor's

(46:41):
real name, But it's not the end I like well
the couta at the end, all right, thank you. Mine
is called doctor Willow. Who uh Queen bav Borda has
a problem. There's this prophecy. See at one day a
Daichini with a particular birth mark will spell her doom,

(47:03):
and so she has decided to imprison all pregnant women
in knock Mark Castle's dungeons. Sure enough, one woman gives
birth to the child, and the mother, terrified for the
life of her baby daughter, is distraught, and then she
hears this weird sound, wow wow wow. Deep in the

(47:24):
castle dungeons a blue structure that says call box. On
it appears where previously nothing had been, and a door
opens and outsteps a slightly mad looking da Keini. Ah,
there you are, he says to the mother. Who are you?
Asks the woman, Well, it would take thought too long
to explain, and we haven't the time, if you'll just

(47:45):
excuse me for her moment. And then the stranger reaches
into his jacket pulls out what looks like a wand
it's like a silver wind with this glowing blue tip,
and he holds into the jail cell door, which immediately opens,
So if you would be so kind as to follow me,
and the mother, desp it to save the life of
her child, agrees, steps out of the cell as there's
noise in the hall that's indicating the approach of guards. Right,

(48:06):
come along, says the stranger, opening up the door to
this blue call box thing, and the mother and her
baby rush in, and then as the stranger steps into
follow he says, everybody lives. The door shuts, the noise returns,
the box bades away, and then we get the killer
music that introduces Dr Willow who after the theme song.

(48:28):
We are in this idyllic scene. It's a lovely field
with a castle in the background, and then we hear
that weird sound again, and the police call box appears
and the door opens, but now a very different person emerges.
It appears to be a knell win of people similar
to Hobbits in tokey and a ginger to boot. He

(48:48):
looks about for a moment, getting his bearings and says
hah back again. He strolls over to the castle, which
is decorated in grand display, and he's greeted warmly by
a guard. Helen will up my ends as a fellow.
Have we met before, asks the NL when I don't
think we've actually had the pleasures, says the guard. But
you're a friendly face and all are welcome here today.

(49:09):
Well the neil one then beams brightly says I was
hoping to have a word with one Laura Dannon on
her birthday, says the guard. Well, you might try, but
I suspect she is quite busy. Who should I say,
is calling so the nell One smiles and produces some
sort of badge from his robes, and it seems like
it's completely blank. And the guard stares at and says,

(49:30):
willow off, goood magician extraordinaire, you're the entertainment. I'll show
you to her right away. And in short order, that's
a kind of a unintentional pun that did not mean
to make. The Nlwin is ushered into a beautiful but
not opulent chamber. Moments later, a young woman, perhaps in
her late teens appears, Master of good. She says, yes,

(49:54):
well that was more of a convenience, says the nil one.
You may call me the doctor. The young woman's face
transforms from uncertainty to joyce. The doctor, but you look
nothing like how mother described. Ah, well I have changed
a bit a couple of times, actually smiles the doctor.

(50:14):
How is your mother, Well, she's well, she'll be so
pleased to see you. She has told me the stories
of how you saved us and how you helped vanquish
the evil bath more though when I was still a baby, Well,
I just did the old disappearing pig trick, says the doctor.
I hear it's your birthday today. It is, says a Laura,
and you are welcome to join us with the celebration.
Mother and I will be giving gifts. Well, I thought

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it was traditional to receive gifts for your birthday, says
the doctor. Well it maybe so, but we have a
few needs here and much thanks to gifts, says Laura
from outside the room. There's a sound in a moment later,
a Laura's mother, who does in fact live in this version.
Thank you very much, shows up. We have much to
be thankful for. And who do I have the pleasure

(50:56):
of meeting, asks the older woman. There you are reacquainting yourself.
This is the doctor, says Laura. The doctor says Laura's mother,
who keep calling her Laura's mother. She doesn't actually have
a name in the script, so I'm just gonna call
her Barrew no reason. And then we get a scene

(51:17):
in which the mother Burrew reconciles that the recognizes rather
that the nl Win before her is in fact the
same person as the human the Daichini who rescued her
years ago. So what brings you back to us? When
you left, it sounded as though we would never see
you again, says the mother. Well, see, here's the thing.
My travels are long and lonely, and I was looking

(51:38):
for a traveling companion, one who might help balance out
my somewhat mercurial nature. And you, Laura Dannon fit the bill,
and Laura says, but I'm I'm to be princess and
rule in just a year's time. Said, well, that's precisely
why in one year's time we shall return. Think of
all the wisdom will gain in a year's worth of
exploring space and time. Well, the prospect appears to appeal

(52:01):
to the young Laura, who turns to her mother, And
he has never steered us wrong. And the mother agrees
and says, there's also the disappearing pig tricks, so you
can get out of anything that, trust me, seeming works
every time, says the doctor. So the young woman smiles
and says, when do we leave? So well, you know,
the party has to happen, so after the party short,

(52:22):
we wouldn't want to shock anyone. And so it began
the adventures of A Laura and the Doctor, which would
be filled with wonder and curiosity and fear and triumph
and tragedy, and indeed, one year later, a wiser, perhaps
sadder Laura Dannon would return, but a's for what happened
in between? Well that will be our next tale. So

(52:43):
tune into Netflix or Amazon or you know whoever will
pay me to do this new series. You know where
to find me. The end was was Breu a reference
to Star Wars? Maybe will? It was also a lucasfilm
project it was? It was yeah, definitely, uh and you

(53:04):
know better than Anakin's mother's name? Me? Yeah, well I
was trying. So here's the peak behind the curtain again.
When I was writing this, I was like, what was
the mother's name? And I looked. I was like, huh,
she didn't have a name in the in the script.
I wonder what her name was say in the novel,
which I have not read. Couldn't find that. I looked
at the WICKI just listed as mother in every every

(53:27):
single source I could find. I'm like, Wow, no one
bothered to name this character. She literally only exists as
a plot device. That's sadness. But thank you for giving
her a name, and thank you for treating a property.
I love so well Doctor Who and Willow, but mainly
Doctor Who. So well, even though you don't like it,

(53:49):
I don't dislike Dr who. I just don't have the
reverence for it that a lot of my friends have,
and I do recognize, like there are certain episodes that
I do find incredibly entertaining and effective. You know, we
talked about the Everybody Lives episode is one of my favorites. Um,
the Weeping the first Weeping Angels one was really effective.

(54:11):
I thought I felt like they went back to that
too much, like Weeping Angels once terrifying more than once.
Uh that's a shame. Whereas the more you visit the Cybermen,
the scarier they get. Yeah, I mean it's you know,
it would have been fun to put Dalex into Willow,
but there are a lot of stairs, and there's lots

(54:31):
of stairs. It's also it's really hard because Dalles are
very single minded and there's a lot of subterviews in Willow.
So but this was kind of fun to do. Like
I was thinking, what would the Doctor do? Like that
in my mind, the Doctor essentially lives out the story
of Willow just as the Doctor, including the disappearing pig trick,

(54:52):
which actually is a thing in Willow. Um. And then
the real story for us is him coming back and
taking on a Laura as his companion. That's just that
just seems to fall into doctor who kind of very much. Well,
that's it for this episode, and uh, we're looking forward
to having a lot more conversations and mash ups in

(55:14):
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mash up together, or perhaps you have your own doctor
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Willie Wonka Highlander one, but I mean, there's some really
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