Dead Boy Detectives and Cheesecake

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Large nerdron Collider podcast, the
podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in the
world around us and how very excited we are about them.
I'm Ariel cast In and with me is always is
tech genius Jonathan Strickland.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Wow. Deja vu wow, deja.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Vu wow, deja voo.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, uh, listeners, this is probably what like the third
or fourth attempt we've had to just record the intro.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I think it's the fourth. Yeah, that's part for the
course for us kind of.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
So we launched riverside, which is the software we use
or the web app we use it or to record
these things because again, we still haven't figured out a
way where two people living in the same metro Atlanta
area can get together and record in person.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
To be fair, we're like, if there's traffic an hour
to an hour and fifteen apart.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, while we technically live in the same metropolitan area,
we are not close to each other, and there's a
lot of traffic and heavy heavy highways between us.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
If there's no traffic, it's like twenty twenty five minutes,
So she's not so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
But we record on Fridays Friday in Atlanta, rush hour
starts at around five am and ends on Sunday. So anyway,
all that aside, we had technical issues. Ariel was getting
an echo for a while, the wrong microphone was getting
picked up by on my side where I could not

(01:39):
figure out what happened. And it's probably because I installed
a new mic stand that was putting some tension on
the cable and thus making the cable loose. So riverside
was like, oh, well, can't use that microphone. So there
was a whole list of issues. We think we've got
them sorted, which is good because we've got a ton

(02:01):
of stuff to talk about this week, including things that
we personally watched or experienced.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yes, so other than microphone Shenan against Jonathan, what have
you watched or experienced?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, Ariel, I'm sure you this will come as a
huge surprise to you, as if we had not had
this very conversation just like ten minutes ago. But yeah,
the last night I watched the second half of season
two of Invincible. You know, we both had watched the
first half of season two, and I saw that season two,

(02:36):
Part two was available, probably had been for a while.
I don't know when it actually went up, but I
decided i'd watch an episode, and then I decided to
watch another episode, and then I thought, well, there's only
four episodes for the second half of the season, so
why not go ahead and watch all four? So I did,
and I'm here to tell y'all if you are a

(02:56):
fan of Invincible in it might be the strongest half
season so far. It's definitely heavy and emotional, and depending
on which characters you really like, you might be really
upset as the series goes on. Some very not great

(03:19):
things happened to some characters. But the other big thing
was that they set something up that I thought was
going to pay off in the finale, and.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It did not.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
The thing they set up is unresolved, which to me
says that there will have to be a season three
to resolve that particular part of the story, which, as
I understand it goes along with the comics. I never
read the comic books, so I just have kind of
an awareness of the comics and where they go, and
I know that the animated series is similar to but

(03:55):
not identical to the comics, so kind of like The
Walking Dead was in the early years. So I don't
know what exactly to expect, but I was not disappointed.
Oh and I also watched the final episode of The
completely made up Adventures of Dick Turpin, which continued to
delight me, even as I recognize that it's really just

(04:16):
kind of It's a good show, not a great show,
but it it caters to my sensibility, so I enjoy
it more than I probably should.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Gotcha, I mean, you enjoy its exactly as much as you,
Jonathan Strickland should enjoy it. For Invincible, you said it
was heavy, heavier than the season finale of season one.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I'm gonna say yes, because they're so like I remember
the season. The opener of Invincible is incredibly shocking. When
that first episode finishes right like the end, the post
little not even post credit, but the post episode sequence
is one of the most disturbing things and really sets

(05:03):
the tone for the rest of season one. There's nothing
quite on that level. I mean there's a little bit.
There's definitely visceral violence. I mean, that's part of the show,
but it's who it happens too that gets real upsetting.
But on the flip side, there's also this feeling that

(05:26):
no one's ever gone forever because so many characters return
after they've it appears that they have been killed, and
then they come and sometimes they come back even stronger
than they were pre getting obliterated. So maybe maybe your
personal stakes will vary. It affected me. Actually I didn't

(05:47):
get emotional watching it, but I could feel it creeping
up to there. But on the in fairness, I am
a sap.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I mean me too, so I appreciate the warning. I
don't know how many our listeners are, but so I'm
sure some of them appreciate the warning as well. I
watched I'm Caught Up on X Men ninety seven, the
continuation of the old X Men cartoon. This latest episode

(06:17):
was just a whole lot of fun because they're releasing
them weekly, so there's four episodes right now. Just a
lot of fun. And then we started watching Reboot, which
is old. It's not a news show. It's the one
about rebooting a classic television show, and it's very self referential.

(06:37):
If you haven't watched it, it's on Hulu and just
it makes fun of the industry and it makes fun
of remaking things. And it's written by Paul Reiser and
Rachel Bloom. I'm enjoying it quite a bit. And then
but I won't talk about it forever because I said
it's an older show. And then I started playing Beat Saber.
It's been in my house since Christmas, and I finally

(06:59):
start to playing it. So if you hear what sounds
like bubble wrap popping, that's just my joints and spine.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Now for clarifications sake, Ariel, when you say reboot, you
mean the twenty twenty two series, not the animated series.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Probably, yes, I mean the twenty twenty two series.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Because like when you said I watched reboot, I'm like,
did we?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
So?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I get that you're watching X Men ninety seven. Did
you just decide to go all nineties?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
No?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well, I mean X Men ninety seven came out.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
This year, right, yeah, yeah, But I mean they're picking
up on the nineteen nineties series of the X Men
animated series, is what I meant. I'm really excited for
them to go to X Men ninety eight. Personally, I
can't wait to see what happens.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Very clever. I also can't tell if you're serious or not.
Was ninety eight a good year for you? No?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Actually, ninety seven was the good year for me because
that's the year. That's the year where I got hit,
So yeah, it's a that's cool though. I'm glad that
you're getting enjoyment out of that series. Like I didn't
watch reboot the twenty twenty two series either, and so
if it.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Has nothing to do with the ninety series.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
At all, that's fine, which is good because I am
only aware of the ninety series. I never actually watched it.
I know that people have compared like really cheesy CGI
stuff to reboot Era animated series, so that that's kind
of like my context for that show.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
But yeah, I definitely want to check out reboot.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Maybe I will once I finally do have access to Hulu.
Disney Plus has been a real, a real chore for
me to access this week, although part of that is
probably just due to the browser I have and how
how many tabs I have open. Like earlier this week,

(09:01):
I was trying to access it, and it was giving
me a lot of grief, like I had to reset
my password or it wanted me to reset my password.
But the thing is that Disney wants to use a
single sign on for all Disney services, so whether it's
for making a reservation at the parks or watching something
on Disney Plus, or going to the Disney Shop and

(09:24):
shopping online. You're supposed to use the same log in, right,
And for some reason, Disney Plus was not recognizing my
log in, even though if I went to the Disney
Cruise page and use the log in, I logged in
just fine, So that told me that the email and
password were correct. But for some reason it wasn't working,

(09:44):
and I just tried multiple times and finally gave up.
So the whole point being that I can't wait for
Hulu to be part of Disney Plus so I can
finally watch all these Hulu series I've been hearing about.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I will say I can see Hulu series on dis Plus.
It's like on Hulu, and it just lists a whole
bunch of them, including rebuts.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Right right for me, I have to wait until November. Yeah,
and I can get that when I can get that
level of subscription and have it actually work.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I will say I think there is something in the
proverbial streaming waters because last some of my friends and
I we do a group watch. We started it during
the pandemic when we all decided we needed to just
be able to talk to each other, so we would
get on Discord and do a group watch of like
Farscape on Amazon. We've been doing We've kept it up,

(10:38):
not always, but for the most part we've kept it up.
And we're currently watching season two of Fox Makina. I've
seen it before, but I'm happy to rewatch it. And
when when Amazon turned to the you need to pay
more to not get ads service, it changed to that

(10:59):
only people who had the service where you didn't get
ads could start a watch party, but anyone could join.
And now nobody can join a watch party or start
a watch party. It happened like two days ago, So
I don't know if they discontinued the service and didn't
tell anybody because all of the information on the internet's
very like conflicting, and even within Amazon Support it's conflicting

(11:20):
within the same item, or if they had a bug
and they just haven't figured it out yet. But then
we went to watch Teleparty and that was acting funky
too well.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
And a few services had interruptions this week. So Apple
had interruptions on Wednesday for all of their streaming stuff
like whether it was music or television, and then Meta
had disruptions with WhatsApp, which obviously isn't a streaming service,
but it's just one of those things where I'm wondering
if there were.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean, it's.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Entirely possible all of this is coincidental and it's all
due to individual issues that had no crossover from service
to service. It's also possible that maybe there was something
bigger happening that was kind of causing disruptions. I don't
know the answer to that. It's probably more just coincidence
than anything else, but it.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It does kind of.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
It really hammers home that the world of streaming has
both pros and cons. The pros being that when everything's working,
you can watch whatever you want, assuming it's available whenever
you want. Obviously, lots of cons like maybe what you
want isn't on the service you're already subscribed to and
you would have to subscribe to something else, or maybe

(12:38):
it was available but the agreement lapsed and now it's
not on there anymore, or lots of other issues, like
to the point where again people like me have gone
back to starting to collect physical media again just so
that we don't run into that case where it's like
I really have a hunker into watch Buckeroo Bondzai and

(13:02):
torture our friend of the show, shay Lee by making
her watch it again. But it's not available on streaming anywhere,
so I had to buy it on Blu Ray.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah. I never stopped collecting physical media, though I have
gotten rid of some stuff, and I am I am
being more picky about the new stuff that I watch
or that I buy. But the stuff that I'm like
the Watchmen series from HBO or Doom Patrol or things
that I'm worried might eventually completely disappear.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
That's valid, especially considering who owns HBO.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah. Yeah, but with that, let's talk about all the
things at HBO and all these streaming services and everybody
else are are bringing to the media with our thirty
seconds or less.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, and this time we got a ton of stories
in this. And so I told Ariel before we started recording,
before we started recording the first time, let alone the
fourth time, that I was going to try very hard
to not add anything to the end of her segments
because we've got approximately seventy three entries into thirty seconds

(14:13):
or less.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
You count, really good, guess how higher hello above it?
And I don't know, you get the reward of guessing correctly.
We don't have a budget, so the first story is
that we have a run time for Kingdom of the
Planet of the Apes and talk about scope creep because

(14:37):
the first it's long. It's long, you guys. The first
Planet of the Apes new movie was one hundred and
five minutes, the second was one hundred and thirty, the
next was one hundred and forty, and the new one
is one hundred and forty five minutes. It is two
hours and twenty five minutes long. Almost two and a
half hours long. I sure hope people enjoy it to

(14:57):
make it worth sitting in a chair having to pee
because you got too big of a soda for that long.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Noted this past week, Disney held its shareholders meeting and
there was a battle among some investors who want major
changes at the board level now. Ultimately, Disney's CEO Bob
Iger won the day, with shareholders backing his leadership and
his board member picks for now at least. But two
big takeaways were that shareholders want real succession planning for

(15:28):
Iiger's eventual replacement because the last time it didn't work
out so great, and they also want that streaming service
stuff to start making money, please.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I mean all that makes sense. We got a poster
for Joker fully ado. I'm sorry to everybody who speaks
franch who listens to us. I know I did not
see it.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
We're getting a trailer next week, but this week we
got the poster. It shows Joaquin Phoenix dipping Lady Gaga
as their characters in The Joker. We also got news
that there will be at least fifteen reinterpretations of popular
songs and maybe some original music, which turns this movie
into Jonathan's favorite gen genre, A joke box musical.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
A joke box musical all right.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
The Fantastic Four film cast gets another name added to it,
Julia Garner, who was an Ozark and is part of
the upcoming but delayed Stay Tuned movie The Wolfman. Garner
will be playing Shallabal and also the Silver Surfer. Now
in the comics, Schallibal is an empress and she is
the Silver Surfer's main squeeze if you catch my drift.

(16:41):
Both characters have been heralds of Galactus in the past
and the comic books, so.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
We'll have to see how this plays out in the movie.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I'm looking forward to it. Atari has bought Roller Coaster
Tycoon three from Frontier Developments. They bought it for seven
million dollars, which means that they now own They're now
the sole publisher of all major titles within Roller Coaster Tycoon,
which I guess that makes them a roller coaster game Tycoon. Yeah,

(17:11):
that's it.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Wow, Okay, Well I'm just gonna kill a little time
so that the music could play for all. Right. Hey,
remember what I mentioned just a moment ago that Wolfman
is being delayed. Well, yeah, it's being delayed. So the film,
which is a joint venture between Universal and Plumhouse, has
been pushed from late this year, which is twenty twenty
four for those of y'all keeping count, to January seventeenth,

(17:35):
twenty twenty five. And in the film, Christopher Abbott plays
a father and husband whose family is terrorized by a
dangerous predator spoiler alert it's a were wolf maybe played
by Julia Garner.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
What we'll have to see. Do you remember Matrix for
the self referential ho home Matrix movie that came after
the first three that got decreasingly in quality. That is
my own personal opinion. If you love them that's awesome.
I do enjoy them, even though I think the first
was the strongest. Well, we're getting a fifth one, but
this time it's being written and directed by Drew Goddard,

(18:10):
and that makes me excited because he's done a lot
of things I enjoy, including Cloverfield, Cabin in the Woods,
The Martian, and the Netflix Stare Devil TV show. So
here's hoping he can bring something cool new to the Matrix.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Okay, so, first of all, I think Matrix four is
better than both Matrix two and definitely Matrix three. And
I actually really like the fourth Matrix film because I
enjoyed it it. To me, it felt kind of like
Gremlin's two, where it's a sequel that is just like, yeah,
we made the first one, we're really gonna skewer it now.

(18:44):
And that's kind of how Matrix four came out. Like
as a Matrix film, I can see how it would
be disappointing, but as a commentary on the film and
the culture that rose up around it, I found it
really interesting. But yeah, I hated Matrix two, and I
can't mean, I can't even say anything about Matrix three.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I didn't mind Matrix two, but let's see if you
enjoy this next number two.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
So I originally Ariel wrote this one down, but I
decided to take it. So we knew already that HBO
was having a second season of Velmont that actually got
greenlit before the first season I had even finished publication.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
But now we know when it's coming out.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
And this is despite the fact that that first season
is objectively bad, Like that's not my opinion. It is
objectively a bad show. Okay, no, that is just my opinion. Anyway,
now we know season two is coming out starting April
twenty fifth, So get ready to hate watch because that's
what I'm gonna do. I know I'm gonna do it,
which is I don't I hate myself, I guess. Anyway,

(19:50):
that's this news item.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I I will, I will. I've watched one episode and
I will not watch more. So if you want to
get into comics and you're like, oh my gosh, there's
too many comics, don't worry. In twenty fifteen, they fixed
that with Ultimate Marble for Marvel Comics, not for DC.
But then there's a whole bunch of Ultimate Marvel comics now,
so they're rebooting it. This year, they're doing a new

(20:16):
reader friendly reboot of Marvel Earth six one six zero.
It's going to include Spider Man and Black Panther and
X Men. And the nice thing is, if you want
to get into the X Men comics, the first issue
just released. The second issue is releasing later this month,
and then the third one in October or no, sorry,

(20:37):
and then the third one will be releasing I think
in November. Anyhow. Yeah, if you want to get into
comics now, it's a good time.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
If you like Marble, yeah, Occasionally comic book series have
to do these massive reboots because everything just gets so
convoluted and complicated that it's impossible to manage. See also
the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Okay, hey, remember when I said
that Disney shareholders want the company to figure out how
to make streaming profitable. Well, part of that involves cracking

(21:09):
down on password sharing. So starting in June, if Disney
suspects that you're using a shared password to access the service,
they're gonna send Mickey mouse over with a crowbar to
kneecat you. Sorry, I read that wrong. No, they'll send
you a little pop up that says, hey, you should
sign up to subscribe to this yourself, but they're also
going to introduce a paid sharing subscription tier, similar to

(21:32):
what Netflix is doing. So it worked for Netflix, we'll
see if it works for Disney Plus.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Very interesting. Apparently Maggie Gillenhall is directing a classic monster
movie called The Bride. They're saying it's long awaited this. Honestly,
I've probably read about it and then forgot about it,
which is surprising since I like classic movie monster stuff. Anyhow,

(21:58):
Jesse Buckley is The Ride and Christian Bale is Frankenstein,
and I'm talking about it because they've released some pictures
of it. It looks very like eighties punk esque, so
we will share those in our show notes.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Interesting, right, Like, so this makes me think of a
film that came out in nineteen eighty five, which was
also a Bride of Frankenstein film, but that one starts
Sting and Jennifer Beals. So when I saw this news item,
I was like, they're remaking The Bride, which is fine.

(22:34):
The Bride's a great movie. Disturbing movie just like you'
all know, but it is a great movie. I don't
know if this will have anything connected to that, apart
from the fact that it's drawing from the same general
source material. Okay, sorry, I know thirty seconds the last
I failed. All right, we all know that there's a
Fallout streaming series coming out soon. Well, Amazon subscribers. Amazon

(22:56):
Prime subscribers will also get to enjoy I guess is
the right word the online game Fallout seventy six for
free as part of the promotion for the series. Fallout
seventy six is set in and around West Virginia and
was heavily criticized when it first came out, though as
I understand it, it's a much better experience now. I
haven't revisited it since it first came out.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I need to.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
If you've got Amazon Prime, you can try it out
for yourself soon for free. It's also on game Path,
so if you're a Game Best subscriber then you can
already do that.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
So I think last week or the week before, we
talked about how Death is going to have a bigger
part in sam Man season two on Netflix, the character
of Death, and now we've gotten episode titles for sam
Man season two and I am just going to go
through what I think season two is going to hold
for us. This is just complete conjecture, but I believe

(23:49):
that this is also going to be a jukebox musical
kind of a spoof on other genres or things verymiga donah.
So we've got the Song of Orpheus, which is obviously
just going to be a Hades Town musical episode. We've
got More Devils than Vast Hell Can Hold, which is
going to be an animated episode that's Allah has been Hotel.
Brief Lives is going to be a quantum leaf leap spoof.

(24:13):
Family Blood will be Family Ties, and then Ruler of
Hell will be Beetlejuice. And Seasons of miss is the
only one I'm torn on. I don't know if it's
going to be a video game first person like the
Mist Game, or if it's just going to be them
seeing seasons of Love over and over and over again
until you go insane.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I am thankful that I am ninety nine percent sure
that that is not what Season two of The Sandman's
going to be. We will be talking about death again
once we get to our cactual news items. Yeah, okay, Well,
while we're getting a second and third season of Netflix's
adaptation of Avatar The Last Airbender, there's actually going to
be a different creative team in charge of seasons two

(24:53):
and three, because showrunner Albert Kim, who developed the series
for Netflix, is actually stepping away, and Christine Boyle and
Javara Sini well Rai Sani sorry, will be taking the
helm and both Boylan and ray Sanni have served in
a producer role for the first season. Albert Kim, meanwhile,
is reportedly shifting over to work on the Percy Jackson
series for Disney.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I really enjoy the Person Jackson series. Avatar's not bad.
Lastly for me and lastly in our thirty Seconds or less.
Is Nam, a visitor who played Major Kiera Maurice on
Star Trek d S eights nine, is writing a book.
It's called Star Trek An Open Channel, Open a Channel,
a women's Trek. It's all about the women behind the scenes,

(25:38):
in front of the screen or in front of the
camera in Star Trek, how they broke boundaries and ceilings
for women in general, and then also some of the
hardships that they went through being women in the industry
of that era, and how Star Trek, even when it
tries to be advanced, sometimes is victim to its own

(25:59):
era of things. I read another article about how Star
Trek only has old fans, So the book sounds really interesting.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, if you watch, for example, if you watch Star
Trek The Next Generation and you look at the uniforms
for women, especially early on in that series, it becomes
very clear that while they might profess sort of an
egalitarian approach and approach where women are equals to men,

(26:29):
that's not how it comes out in the uniforms, y'all.
That was you know, you didn't see the dudes walking
around in mini skirts in that first Next Generation or yeah,
Next Generation.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
TNG, they wore pants.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Not originally. If you watch some of those early episodes,
there are ones where they have the little mini skirt
type thing going on, like Deanna Troy and as an example.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I always assumed that was but yeah, but like Crusher
war pants, that was just a fashion choice.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
She was a doctor lady though, so doctor ladies are
different from.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Ladies and Antiana choice planet that women don't wear clothes
because they're much happier with their they dezoid.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
In This isn't the Orville. We didn't have episodes exploring
casual nudity unless Lwa Sana Troy was on there.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yes, but she was on the show.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
So occasionally as a guest.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
It was like a joke.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
It wasn't like a regular member of the crew.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I just summing it up as saying Star Trek had
high aspirations that it did not always live up to,
but at least it had the aspirations to begin with.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, Yeah, and it's it's still trying, and I enjoy
season three of the final season. It might before the
final season of Discovery just dropped, so I'll be watching
that and the Card and then I'll be caught up
on all of my Star Trek except for Lower Decks.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I feel like I'm all caught up and I haven't
watched anything since like the second Star Trek Next Iteration film.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I really enjoy Strange Strange New Worlds a lot more
than the first, but the first reason I also enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, Well, are we ready to segue into our actual stories?

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I think this hour long conversation about women's clothing choices
in Star Trek has already segued us there.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well, I mean the first the first item in our
list doesn't relate to that, so I think we're okay.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
We watched another trailer for Boy Kills World.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
This is the revenge movie that features a character who
is deaf and mute has actually gone deaf and mute,
he wasn't born that way and has h John Benjamin's
voice as his inner voice his head and it's it
looks like a gonzo revenge film that has elements of

(29:06):
like The Running Man in it. And why'd you think
of the trailer?

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I was worried because it's a Red Band trailer and
it was super super you know, they make things that
are not safe for work, and it actually looked fun.
It looked like even though it was going to be gory,
that it looked like it was going to be fun.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I think it's going to be more bloody than that
outright gory, like here's nothing.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
A lot of blood.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Spatters, but not like not like in trails every although
maybe I don't know, but it definitely I think.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
I said the last time.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
We talked about boy Kill's World that it looks like
it's more in line with the spirit of Borderlands than
the Borderlands trailer was, and I still feel that way.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I agree, and I am looking forward to it because
I think Bill scars Guard is that he's the main
character is a good actor, and now he won't be
playing a creepy clown. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, maybe he'll still do that weird thing with his
eyes that he can do.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
But befo or drool out of the center of his lip,
Like I get it. I can blow air out of
one of my eyeballs. It's cool to have weird human tricks.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
But yeah, yeah I can.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I can do taxes in my sleep, like that's mine.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
But I had known.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, sorry, I haven't been sleeping so well this past
couple of months, So I don't know how good a
job I would do. I didn't say i'd do him great,
like there's been a lot of audits, so but no,
I like this trailer. I definitely anticipate like this. This
feels like one of those movies where it's outside the
normal realm that you see in Hollywood, and it's in

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a way that tickles me.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
It.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Actually again, I'm talking about the spirit, not the style
of filmmaking. But it reminds me of do you remember
that action movie I can't remember the name of it
now that was shot like totally from first person perspective,
Like it was like hardcore Harry or something.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I think that was it. Yeah, wasn't the Guns for
Hands one with Daniel Redcliffe.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
No, no, no, I'm thinking about what it was. The
whole concept was that it was a full action movie
and you're seeing it from the first person perspective of.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
The guy running through everything.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
That Also, it kind of has that same sort of
anarchic spirit to it. Again, stylistically, totally different movie, but
I feel like the same kind of creative energy went
into it, and I'm all for.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It me too. Also, this is a director, he's a
German German director. More, it's more who, at least according
to his IMDb, has not done a lot of stuff
that's made you know us television film, so he's got
a fairly short im list. So I'm excited to see
something that is new and fresh.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yes, And just to follow up, it was hardcore Henry,
not hardcore Harry. So I was close considering how terrible
my memory is, I'm going to give myself a point
on that one.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, And I looked it up and I still went, yeah,
that's Harry. So I'm going to detract one from me.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Next up, we got another follow up on an upcoming
film that you know we talked about in a previous
episode when the trailer first broke, which is the Ministry
of Ungentlemanly Warfare that Henry Cavill and Alan Richardson and
others are in, and we got another teaser. There's also
some first glimpses that are out there. I saw two

(32:46):
different ones of two very short excerpts from scenes that
kind of give a feel for this. This also has
like an anarchic spirit to it.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah. Uh not not a hugely new concept, and only
partly because it's based loosely on real life activities, but
it does look fun, yea.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
For those who for those who don't remember.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
What this is, could you give like a little like
high overview of what the sure?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, So Winston Churchill had a group of like secret
fighter people who they're they're like special forces in World
War two to fight Nazis, so vaguely inglorious bastard ze.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, yeah, very much.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
So.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
It looks like it's going to be violent and tongue
in cheek, which is just a genre we get a
lot of lately. But it looks fun.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah. Yeah, there's the sequences I saw.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
There was one where they are encountering a German warship
on the ocean, and the war is firing a gun
at the boat that they're in and slowly kind of
dialing in the distance of where they are in compared
because they're in a little boat compared to the big warship.

(34:11):
And meanwhile, it turns out that one of the operatives
had infiltrated the boat and planted explosives right next to
their gunpowder room essentially, and so they're just saying they're
waiting and seeing if the explosives go off before the
Germans are able to find the correct range to fire
on their boat. So that was one, and then the

(34:31):
other one involved Alan Richardson shooting arrows through Nazis at
not into but through them because the dude is like
a frickin mountain of a man. And apparently the bow
he was using was like a two hundred and fifty
pound bow or something.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean that, that's cool. That's cool. It's also a
movie if you if you want to see pretty people
being tongue in cheek. Cast is very pretty, that's true.
It gives me vaguely like suicide squad.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Vibes, which makes sense because the suicide squad, Yes, the
Suicide Squad. And it makes sense because, like from everything
I've heard, that was essentially a real world version of
the Suicide Squad, Like these folks were being sent on
a mission that was almost certain to fail, and reportedly

(35:28):
like they lost support from from the UK halfway through
it and still kept going. So it definitely has Suicide
Squad vibes in more ways than one.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
And when those people died, they came back as ghosts
to solve more crimes in mysteries.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
You might be mixing that up with our next one.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Oh goodness, gracious, let me straight, Jonathan.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
So we got the trailer for a Dead Boy Detective Agency.
These these are characters that were created for Neil by
Neil Gaman for the Sandman series originally. In fact, the
characters show up in the first season of Sandman, though
they're played by different actors. There is an episode of
The Sandman in the first season where the Dead Boy

(36:16):
Detectives are are featured, which I only know because I
read the article about it. Because I didn't watch the
first season of Sandman.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I don't remember them showing up. I do remember them
showing up in Doom Patrol. They were also different acts.
Doom Patrol is what I meant and not Sandman. Thank
you Ariel, because that is the show that I should
have said. Yes, Doom Patrol is where they showed up, yeah,
played by different actors. But now now they're getting their
own series, different actors obviously, and we got the trailer

(36:47):
for it. The trailer looks interesting, although I really wish
they had picked a different song besides Black Parade to
be the background. Yeah, it looks both fun and scary
and serious. I like shows that kind of jump around
the genres. It really feels like it's gonna scratch an

(37:07):
itch for people who are said sad that like Lockwooding Co.
Got canceled or that Supernatural ended, those similar kind of vibes.
As far as I know, because I've had some some
people a little confused about this, I don't think that
Lockwooden Co. Is in the same world as Dead Boy Detectives,
though it does have a very similar vibe.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
So and and the character of Death shows up in
the triggler for uh dead Boy Detective Agency, Like they
actually mention that they're they're kind of like literally on
the run from death.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah. Uh so, so like that's that's.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Great that they have that very brief appearance of the
character of Death in the trailer. I also wanted to
mention that when I was looking up information about this,
I saw I saw that the person who wrote the
pilot episode is Steve Yacky, and that just delights me
because that's someone I know. That's someone that I've known

(38:08):
for more than twenty years because back when I first
started going to Dad's Garage Theater, which I've talked about
a few times on this show, Steve Yacky was the
marketing director for the theater. He actually lived next door
to the theater when it was on its original location
here in Atlanta off Elizabeth Street, and he shared an

(38:31):
apartment with another person named Laura Gunderson. And if you're
into plays, you might know Laura Gunderson as the most
produced playwright in America. So these two people shared an
apartment together, Laura Gunderson and Steve Yacky, and then they
both went on to do these phenomenal things, which means

(38:52):
I want to play about the time where they were
roommates in Atlanta, living next to an improv theater in
a busted old building, because that, to me is a
rich mind for material.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, that sounds like it would be fun. I would
I would watch that. So much good talent comes out
of Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, it really does.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Like if you watch, if you watch films and TV,
you're bound to see actors some of whom we personally
know or have worked with in the past, and they're
doing great stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Like heck, the new show Manhunt about John wicks Booth
that has come out, there's a bunch of local Atlanta
actors that I know.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, it's it's cool when you see someone you're like,
oh my gosh, I saw them in a show like
ten years ago, or I acted in a show with them,
Like that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I suspect we're going to have a lot more of
that because the Georgia is keeping it's it's current incentives
to keep the industry here.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
We might I mean it's tough, right because I mean,
you know this as an actor, like a lot of
actors from Atlanta who end up working a lot in
Atlanta actually have to move out of Atlanta to get
considered for parts frequently, not as much now as it
was maybe five years ago, but because there's a lot
more video auditions that happen now, but back then, like

(40:23):
I know so many people who moved out of Atlanta
to Los Angeles and then they started getting work and
all their work happened to be back in Atlanta, but
they needed to maintain a space in LA in order
to really be considered for parts. So it's it's kind
of a weird paradox.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, yeah, there's there's weird location stuff in sag after
It not weird, it's not even bad. It just it
makes it tricky if you want an audition by coastal.
But yeah, video auditions are more of a thing. That
was actually one of the things that was in the
contract because some people want to get back in the room.
That was a very not full sentence, but anyhow, I

(41:04):
can talk about it forever. There are more lead roles
for actors coming out of Atlanta now being given to
Atlanta actors as a choice. For a while there, Atlanta
had such a small part of the industry and there
were so few film actors that they could kind of
just dial it in, which you know, is a hard

(41:25):
reputation to come back for. But there are a lot
of actors who are really putting in the time in
the work to be professional and be good and they
are succeeding, so I suspect the trend will continue to favor.
There are a bunch of big actors who have moved
to Atlanta as their full time base.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Now speaking of a big time actor who worked in
Atlanta for some time because he was on The Walking
Dead and that's where it shot. We have a little
interesting update about someone who appears to be involved in
the new season of Daredevil that'll be coming up.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, this probably could have gone in thirty seconds or less,
but John Barenthal, who played the Punisher on Netflix, will
is confirmed to be in the new Daredevil SSY series
with him in a series for Disney. Plus. You're welcome
for that beautiful journey I just took you.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
On, yeah, which I could have edited out, but she
just kept going, So we're going to keep it now.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
So yeah, he's going to be in it, and there
are some pictures of that probably could have been the
thirty seconds or.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Less probably, but like, I'm excited. I So, I never
watched the Punisher series when it was on Netflix, but
I watched I obviously I saw the Punisher show up
in Daredevil, and I really liked the interpretation of the

(42:54):
Punisher in the Daredevil series.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I thought that it was really effective.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
And Parenthal does a great job, as you know, obviously
a vengeful man who's a man of few words but
lots of punching and shooting.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I enjoyed the first season of
The Punisher about seventy five percent. There are a couple
of the characters that I didn't enjoy their journey as much,
and the second season kind of lost me. But I
do enjoy his dynamic with Daredevil, and I'm looking for
it to well.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Speaking of another entry that probably could have just gone
into thirty seconds or less, but I was like, I
watched this, Now Ariel has to watch it too.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
We got we had already watched it.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Oh h okay, well then we both we both saw it.
It was the teaser trailer for The Descendants for now.
I have never watched any of The Descendants. I don't
I only know that it's it follows characters who are
supposed to be the descendant of like an iconic Disney villain, right, so,

(44:02):
like you've got the children or whatever of famous Disney villains,
which raises a lot of troubling questions. As to how
some of these Disney villains found a partner, but I'm
not gonna think about.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
That too hard. Uh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
So the Descendants for introduces Red, who I'm guessing since
she uses she draws hearts all over things in a
nondescript hallway, must be the descendant of the Queen of
Hearts from Alice in Wonderland.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Correct. Correct? Okay, I think this one also filmed in
the South, but that's neither hearing her there. I haven't
watched I've watched a little bit of Descendants I have.
I have some young individuals who visit my house once
a year for Thanksgiving and they enjoy watching it, so

(44:56):
I watched it with them, and then I've watched a
little bit on my own out of care because I
like fairy tales, it is made for a younger audience
than I, though I do appreciate some of it. What
I really appreciate about this season, at least, is that Brandy,
who played Cinderella in the nineteen ninety seven version of

(45:18):
Rogers and Hammerstein Cinderella that Disney did is back as Cinderella.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
That's really cool.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, and her husband is the same husband, And I'm
trying to remember his name, but same actor, Yeah, the
same actor. It's shoot, what is his name, Paulo Montabon
montbon no cool, who is like a well known actor.

(45:47):
I just can't pronounce his name when I read it.
But yeah, they were in the nineteen ninety seven musical
that had Whitney Houston as the fairy Godmother and Whoopi
Goldberg as the Queen, Prince Charming's mother, So yeah, they're
in it. I talked to a good mutual friend of ours, Jen,

(46:08):
who's also an awesome writer at Fampbolet, who was like,
I think that's a ret coon. She and I watched
so many Disney things that were made for younger people
than us.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
The shock that I'm experiencing right now is overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
But no, I like if it is a retcon. I
like that retcon because I enjoyed that version of the
musical and I'm glad that they're tying it into the
greater world.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, I like part of me is curious about the
Descendants because I've always thought the aesthetic was kind of interesting.
I mean, it's a very it's a very kind of
sanitized punk glam look for a lot of the characters,
which I kind of dig I mean they even use
the song Bad Reputation in this teaser, which is, you know,
a Joan Jett and the Blackheart song, which is great.

(46:59):
But the aesthetic has appealed to me, but the age
of the actors always kind of keyed off to me, like, oh,
this is sort of a preteens kind of series of films,
and I probably wouldn't get much out of it, so
I've never actually watched them. But it is also one
of those things where I will see coseplays where I'm like, Oh,

(47:21):
it's a really cool interpretation of a character, then find
out that, oh, no, this was a screen accurate cosplay
of a character from The Descendants.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
You just didn't know because you're old and out of touch.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, I see less causeplays from the new Interview with
a Vampire show.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Well that's only because it's just been out for a season.
But we did get a trailer for season two.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
We did, what did you think?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well, I haven't watched the first season, so that's part
of my issue is that, and I never read the book.
I did see the Tom Cruise Brad Pitt film when
that came out Ancient History Times because I saw that
when it came out, and I saw it in the theater. Yeah,

(48:05):
like that, back when I went to things like theaters,
I saw it there, and that's my only experience with
the interview with the Vampire, the bits that I saw.
I'm like, well, this feels, you know, like it's it's
it's fittingly gothic and very romantic's the wrong word. I mean,

(48:26):
it's it's sexy, Like, it feels like it's a very
sexy kind of show, which also gets real creepy because
one of the characters is a vampire who was turned
as a young girl as the Kirsten Dunst played her,
I think in the original Yeah, she won an oscar
for that, As I recall. Anyway, that's always it's meant

(48:51):
to be a creepy element of the story, Like that
was the intention from the get go. So to say
that they're succeeding is, I guess a good thing. I
personally found that particular storyline to be really unsettling, and again.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
That was that's how it was meant to be. But
it doesn't mean that.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I enjoyed it. You're right, Like I appreciated the effect
that the art had on me. I did not enjoy
the experience.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah, I agree as far as sexy Go isn't like
Ann Riis writes romance novels, right, romance.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Is putting it.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Romance is putting a very nice word for what she wrote.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yes, so that doesn't surprise me. I also watched the
original one, though not when it came out in the
theaters with Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt and Christen Kirsten
Dunst in it.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And Antonio Banderis.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah. I remember very little about it, honestly, just enough.
I mean, the show looks like it's very well done.
It looks like the acting is great. It does vaguely
give me like it evokes the feeling of the flashbacks
in Buffy.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
And Angel, but at a higher production at.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
A higher production value. Yeah, I meant to watch season one.
I kind of honest. I'm gonna be real honest here.
I kind of shied away from it because of how
sexy it looked. But it looks like the story is
told very well.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
So yeah. I to the point where when I saw
this teaser or this trailer, I was wondering if they
had not introduced Lestat in the first season, because there's
a sequence in the trailer where they're.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Like, that's Thestat.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Like it felt like that was supposed to be the
introduction of that character into the series, And I'm thinking, wow,
did they go a full season without bringing the Stat
into the show.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Because that's bold.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
That's probably the character that most people are familiar with
when you talk about Interview with the Vampire. That's Cruse's
character in the film. And also like subsequent books in
the series focus primarily on Lstat, or at least there
is one that's about Lastat called the Vampire Lestat in fact,

(51:14):
So I thought, wow, if that, in fact is the
first introduction of that character into the series, it's a
very bold choice to go a full season without doing that.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah. I don't know the answer to that question, having
not watched the first season.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, maybe one of our listeners can give us a
heads up, because I mean, if Lstat wasn't it in
the first season and this is just sort of another
moment of Lestat's revelation to a larger audience or something,
that's fine. But the implication I got was that, oh no,
this is where we're bringing this character in. And I'm like, wow,

(51:51):
to go a full season without arguably the more famous
of the two characters who are kind of the primary
focus of that story. That's that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yeah, yeah, less incredible for me at least. Yeh is
the National Wildlife Services new like horror campaign that they're doing,
which includes Bambi the Reckoning, which we just got a
teaser for.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, this is actually not part of Smoking the Bear's posse.
This is this is part of the and this is
not my term, this is their term. This is part
of the poonaverse from the you know, Winnie the Pooh,
Blood and Honey movie, like we talked to earlier about
how they were going to be spinoffs as well as

(52:43):
a big like ensemble film kind of the Avenger's style,
except was going to have all these characters who are
ip that are now in the public domain. So Bambi
the Reckoning is part of the poonaverse. And we got
a teaser trailer and yeah, it's it's Bambi's back and

(53:04):
out for revenge.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
He's ticked off.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
At what Hunters did to his mom. And yeah, if
you don't know what I'm talking about, you need to
watch the original Bambi and prepare yourself for trauma. That
will sit with you for the rest of your life. Yeah,
what was your reaction? Like, I almost didn't put this
in because one, I think it looks terrible. Two I
don't think that it's clever or funny. And three obviously

(53:31):
it's gonna at least imply animal endangerment and I know
that's a huge trigger for you, Ariel, So I almost
didn't put it in here. But at the same time,
I was like, it's so dumb. I don't know if
it's gonna affect.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
You or not.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
It didn't because I didn't think about it too hard.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I h.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Hen hence the joke about it being the National Wildlife Service,
which did do great work not dissing them at all.
I almost put like it's Pete's new campaign on hey
be nice to animals or they'll get their revenge. Why
the Poo's a bear and Tiggers a tiger, and Piglets
a pig and Bambi's a deer. I thought the production

(54:10):
value looked good.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
But it definitely looks like it's a step above the
first Winnie Blood and Honey film.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, but it's not for me. Yeah, it's just it's
not for me, And I like, like is it? Like,
is the wrong word. I appreciated a lot of a
lot of fairy Tales for the darker versions of them,

(54:40):
just from like a bizarre standpoint, and I enjoyed Dropouts
Never After, which was a kind of like a fairy
Tale Horde role playing game that ended up being very
funny but also had some scary elements. But this just
doesn't It just doesn't do it for me.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
I can't shake the feeling that these films are based
on premises that would work as like a short, but
are far too thin to support a feature length film,
right Like you, you watch it and you're like, this
is all based on essentially a joke, like what if?
But now horror, that's essentially what the joke is, And

(55:23):
you can't really, I don't know that you can support
a full film that way, just based on that premise,
and I am not convinced that there's anything more to
it than that premise. Honestly, when I watch this teaser,
I'm like, oh, this also feels like it could have
been set in the Cocaine Bear universe, and it would

(55:43):
have been just as much of a fit there as
it would be in the so called Pooh diverse.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I hate that so much.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I can't tell you how much I hate that.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, I I don't like it. I get that they're
being clever. It's just not my kind of humor. You know.
The next horror film, Cuckoo, also that you put in here,
also looks pretty cleverer. It's about a bird that goes
to a summer camp for kids.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
That's not what that's about. That's the next one. Oh shoot,
Cuckoo is not about, though you're thinking Woody Woodpecker goes
to camp.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Hold onto your pants, y'all.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
We'll be talking about that in a second now, Cuckoo.
So I put this in here because when I watched
the trailer, I thought, as the trailer ended, I thought,
this is kind of my favorite type of horror movie
trailer in that it gives me a feel for the

(56:44):
tone and the vibe of the movie. But I couldn't
tell you what the movie's actually about, right, Like, it
doesn't spell the plot out from beginning to end, and
that there's a lot left to discover. If I had
to kind of describe it, I would say that a
family is traveling and goes to a town that they

(57:09):
are not familiar with, and then there's strange stuff happening
there that is of a dangerous level, whether or not
that's supernatural or maybe there's a cult situation going on
or something else, Like I don't know, I don't is
this a cult movie? Is it? Is it a zombie movie?

(57:33):
Is it a ghost movie? I don't know the answer
to that, and that I think is really interesting. Also,
the title cuckoo to me suggests the birds that you know.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Isn't it the cuckoo? Isn't that one of those birds.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
That lays its eggs and nests of other birds?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I don't. I mean it is a bird, I don't,
I could. I don't know about its egg laying.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Well, I'm just thinking like, if that's the case, that
might be part of the theme.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Of the film.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Although now that I say it out loud, I'm like,
you're probably thinking of mocking bird and you're just getting
your birds mixed up, Jonathan.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
So, I mean, I don't know listeners who are who
are or listeners who know about birds.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
At themologists if you have really good eyesight and you've
seen a lot of birds.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
So I'm gonna tell you, because this movie came out
as like a like a. It's it's been shown at
some festivals. Right now it's getting a wider release, so
I was able to find the plot. I'm not going
to spoil anything for you, but it is also as
bizarre as the trailer, so it holds up there. I
did read one review where they said they wished that

(58:47):
that it had leaned more into being a B movie,
which I thought was interesting. But I think this fits
in our lineup just because it's got a huge slew
of like geeky act I met Dan Stevens who was
in Legion and Dalton Abbey and was Beast in the
Live action Beauty and the Beast, Jessica Henwick who was

(59:09):
in Iron Fist, Jemma chan who was in Captain Marvel
as well as The Immortals Eternals. She's a brilliant actor.
Don't hold that movie against her. And then Sophia Boutella
who was in The Kingsman's Stuff, and John Malkovich. And

(59:31):
it's got a crazy cast.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
And like I said, like the trailer really appealed to
me because I still wasn't sure what was going on
by the end of it, but I dug what I saw,
So this is one that's on my list of movies
to see. So I'm excited about Cuckoo.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I look forward to hearing your review about it.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
I look forward to hearing your review of Woody Woodpecker
Goes to Camp because there ain't no reality in the
multiverse where I've gone to see that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Do I have to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
You know, I know more young people than I do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I do they might be aging out of this, But.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
That's actually one of the things I went. Okay, trailer
Woody Woodpecker Goes to Camp. It's a mix of live
action and animation. Woody Woodpicker is animated. Part of what
I wanted to ask you is that is Woody Woodpecker
still a relevant character? Have there been any Woody Woodpecker
cartoons in like the last thirty years that I just
don't know about?

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
There were? Okay, there was a twenty seventeen movie.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Tibbal has a lot to say about this too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not surprised there was a twenty seventeen movie,
you know, and I watched things like Yogi Bear and
Woody Woodpecker and Wacky Races and all mcgilla Gorilla and Jabberjol,
all those really old Hanna Barbara type cartoons, and I
enjoyed them when I was young, even though like they
came came out a lot of times before my time,

(01:01:03):
I was watching reruns, but I never felt like, what
are you? The Woodpecker was the kind of character that
needed to be around today because it's just kind of
an annoying troublemaker. It's a very Dennis the Menace kind
to use another old term that our younger listeners may

(01:01:23):
not know, just just a character that goes out and
wreaks havoc and has an annoying catchphrase.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
It's it's kind of a thing and they lean into
that laugh so hard in this trailer that by the
end of it, I just wanted to stab my eyes out. Yeah,
it was just the thing, like and it's just it plays.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Oh it's like a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Like it could have turned into a horror movie trailer
by the end of it and I would not have
been surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yeah. Uh. The weird thing for me about this it's
got it's got some bigger actors and it but it's
a weird mix of cgi and humans.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
It doesn't Yeah, there's characters besides Woody Woodpecker who are animated,
like there was like a walrus character and some others
where that threw me off too because to seeing like
real life human beings and then the occasional CGI character
is I don't know, it's weirder to me. Like, I
think I'm good with either going all in where everything

(01:02:30):
is animated, or you have it where just a single
character is animated and everyone else's live action. But unless
you're who framed Roger Rabbit, trying to mess with that
mix more than that is really tricky without just making
me feel like it's not focused.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean like they've done it with like
Alvin and the Chipmunks and things like that, But I
think it works better if you've got one character or
like the main character Slash Chara as as the animated portion,
and then everybody else is human, including the villain. Yeah,
because yeah, if it were just a movie with people

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in Woody Woodpecker visually, I could get behind it more.
But to have the villain be animated and then to
have this random third Walrusk person that kind of looks
like a human cartoon human be animated just it's too
incongruous for my brain. Eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah, I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I couldn't figure out who this was supposed to appeal to.
But that was largely because since I was unaware of
the earlier film. Like I just when you think about
certain cultural touchstones, I can't imagine Woody Woodpecker being way
up there with characters like Mickey Mouse, you know, or
or Sonic or Mario or like these are Sonic and

(01:03:54):
Mario or characters that are have been around for ages too, right,
and like, but they've had a persis since that. Woody Woodpecker,
I would argue, hasn't really had like Woody Woodpecker even
in his day was not like top tier. You still
had like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck, and you had
the Disney characters who were Garfield and the Chipmunks. Well

(01:04:15):
even that, like Woody Pecker definitely predates Garfield. But yeah,
but you're like you think of Looney Tunes, you think
of the Disney characters, like those were top tier. Then
you had characters like Tom and Jerry, you know, that
were a slightly lower level. And then I think right
around Tom and Jerry maybe a little below is like
Woody Woodpecker. That's that's my own personal kind of ranking system,

(01:04:38):
not even ranking in quality, just in terms of popularity
and you know awareness. So that's why I was surprised
to see this trailer because I was like, is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Woody Woodpecker still a thing?

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Or is this an example of a movie studio trying
to cash in on an existing ip that they happened
to have the rights to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
I wonder if it's that la bit. I mean, we
get some of these smaller characters that are older pop
up every now and now and again. You know, Rocky
and Bullwinkle is an example.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Like, none of them, Yogi Bear, none of them come
up super frequently, but they occasionally poke up out of
the dirt. I'm still waiting for a Snorks movie anyhow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Firstly, I'm itching for the gritty reboot of Gummy Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Honestly, that's I would be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Look, they're bouncing here and there and everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I adventure that's beyond.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
We used to singing the theme song to Gummy Bears
behind the scenes at the Georgia Renaissance Festival.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yes, Alicia Keys did a really great cover of it
of the theme song. Yeah, I enjoy Gummy Bears I
would watch more Gummy Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Also enjoy Gummy Bears, both the show and the actual treat. Well,
I don't eat the treat anymore because it's got gelatin
in it, but I used to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Ducktails has gotten a good resource. I think Gummy Bears
could too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Well, and you know what, it may turn out that,
who knows, maybe this woody Woodpecker goes to Camp movie
actually ends up being really entertaining, has a lot of heart,
and ends up being you know, earning a place for
some people's like favorite films, which is totally cool if
it does. But it's just one of those things where
when it popped up, I started asking the question why

(01:06:35):
does this exist? And my mind just goes to like
really cynical answers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yeah, I agree, and I think just again. Part of
it is that it's not the character as originally written,
is not a very deep character.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
It's more of a get the entire characters essentially a
mischief maker, which is very similar to other characters like
you know, bugs Bunny is a schift maker too, although
Bugs Bunny is a mischift maker mixed with a heavy
dose of Groucho Marx. That kind of thing, but Woody
Woodpecker didn't really seem to have that second layer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
It was just like, Hey, where's a really orderly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Situation that I could totally mess up?

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah? Who you guys, We are almost to the end.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, we've got four more.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah. Next something that I actually might be the thing
I've been most excited from from this ip for a while.
We got a trailer for Jurassic World Chaos Theory.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Easy. It's a sequel to Camp Cretaceous, which I didn't
even know was the thing, Like, how did I not
know about Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I think we talked about it early on when they
were first like talking about it, and then yeah, it
also fell off of my radar.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
So that's an It's an animated series, and it introduces
a group of young kid not young kids, but kids
like teenage kids who in Camp Cretaceous end up having
to uh survive together for like almost a year while

(01:08:14):
they're in within the world of Jurassic World. Uh. And
the more details about that I can't give you because
I didn't watch it. So Chaos Theory is a sequel,
and just as much time has passed in between Camp Cretaceous,
and Chaos Theory as passed between the release of Camp

(01:08:34):
Cretaceous and Chaos Theory. So all the characters are now
like five years older, but it's it's coming back together
with them, and the cartoon looks pretty intense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
It does, and I love I love that choice of
of making it real world time for the viewers. I so,
I think what happened was that Camp Cretaceous came out
right around the time that the panic hit, and so
you know, five years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
So wow, No, four years ago is when the good
and the pandemic hit years ago, because it's twenty twenty
four and it happened in twenty twenty and twenty nineteen.
I think it's COVID nineteen because it was discovered in
twenty nineteen, but we didn't know about it until twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Fair enough. Anyhow, I think it looks good. I love
the idea. I like I love the Camp Cretaceous idea
of these kids had to live for a year on
the park because that gives it like more depth and
more interesting things than than just a Jurassic Park. Oh,
we have to run from the dinosaurs. I almost aid
Dragons movie. You know, it makes it feel very land

(01:09:45):
of the Lost where you you have to figure out
how to survive and have a good life, and you
even find you know, allies or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, maybe even young love, maybe even your love.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
So I I now I have to go back and
watch and then I also have to watch Chaos there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
I shared it with my sister and she's also interested,
so maybe we'll watch it again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
When I saw the trailer, I wasn't aware of camp.
I mean, I'm sure we did talk about it, but
you know me, I don't remember anything. So I watched
the trailer and I was like, this feels like they've
established all these characters. And I'm pretty sure these characters
aren't from the live action films. I don't think this
is an animated extension of that, So where the heck

(01:10:30):
did they come from? And that's when I looked into
it and found out or maybe rediscovered Cretaceous, depending on
whether we talked about it or not, And that's why
I was like, oh, Okay, I get it. So this
is like building on established characters who have already been
introduced in a previous production. So that was somewhat relieving
because otherwise I was like, Wow, they're going in hard

(01:10:52):
with this, and I have no idea who any of
these people are. Kind of like, if I were to
jump into a brand new season of Doctor Who have
not seen anything in the last like eight years of
Doctor Who, I probably feel a little out of out
of touch.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
You could, you might, you could probably jump into this season.
I'm gonna guess and be fine. We got another trailer,
trailer number two for the new Doctor Who. It looks good,
it looks fun. It's not quite as catchy as the
first trailer because the first trailer had some great like
music to it and this one's more generic, but also

(01:11:30):
gives you a little bit more of the plot and
also turned me off slightly because apparently one of the
aliens they encounter are talking babies, and I have never
ever thought that effect worked well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I wish they all I wish they all look like
the dancing baby from Ali McBeal. Like that was just it,
Like that's like like like they have lines, but their
mouths don't move, like it's just them doing that little
little little wiggle dance. I'm doing it for Aeriel right now,
y'all can't see that I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
It, which you need to do because I've never watched
Allie McBeal, I know it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
It's I mean, you would recognize the animation if you
saw it, because Ali McBeal didn't invent it. They pulled
it and it was used like everywhere in the nineties.
But anyway, yeah, it's that's that's my useless contribution to
this doctor whose story.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
It looks good. I've also decided that the doctor says
he's going to keep Ruby safe in both of the trailers.
He says that he promises it, and we know because
news came out that that actress is not a long
standing companion. Uh So my theory what I'm going to guess,

(01:12:48):
and again this is not a spoiler, because I don't
know if it's true. I haven't even read it, is
that he actually goes, no, this is too dangerous. I'm
going to drop you off at home, so sorry, bye bye,
and leaves her in and somebody else he cares less about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
I mean as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Like, my fear is that they're gonna do what countless
other stories have done, which is, let's create a sympathetic
female character and then put her into danger and or
kill her simply for the purposes of giving our male
protagonist a reason to have an arc like that's my fear,

(01:13:27):
but I hope that they don't fall into that very
common trap.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
I'm not. I'm not fearful of that. Yes, the companions
do get into trouble, but just as often they solve
the problems for the doctor. Or are the people who
are who are saying, no, we need to do this
when he's saying maybe they when the doctor is saying
I shouldn't say he because the doctor has had many iterations.
When the doctor is saying no, maybe we should leave.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
I just I remember I watched a video once of
like it was like an extensive video of what happened
to all the Doctor's companions. The video is like an
hour and a half long because there have been so
many and and there's a significant number of them that
end up in a much worse place than they started

(01:14:14):
when they when they started hanging out with the doctor,
Like a lot of whom are living impaired let's say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yes, yes, and some of them are not women. The
doctor had many companions, yes, but the doctor has also,
up until Jody Whittaker, been an imperfect character who maybe
doesn't who loves humanity, but it's still kind of disconnected

(01:14:44):
from it in many ways in my mind. And so
you know, I, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Don't know, well, I don't know where it's going on,
but yeah, it's I don't mean it as a full
criticism of the series as a whole, just that I
remain unconvinced as to this particular companion's safety by the
end of her specific run with the Doctor. Hopefully she

(01:15:14):
does end up being safe. And this isn't just a
way of, Hey, we got to make this character who
is really kind of sassy and fun loving and groovy sad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
How do we do that?

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Hey, I know, Let's give him a sympathetic companion and
then kill her like that's what I have. It feels
unfair to say, because I also know that the people
who are creating the show are more than aware of
that trope, and it's hard to believe that they would

(01:15:48):
indulge in it while also being aware of it. So
I'm hopeful that maybe they exceed my expectations.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Also, this iteration of the doctor does have a sadness
under there. They all do, even all of the happy
doctors have had like an underlying sadness. I used to
say that I might have said it on the show
for any very long time listeners that David Tenant and
Matt Smith were like, oh no, it was David Tenant

(01:16:19):
and Christopher Eckleston were like two sides of the same coin.
Whereas like Christopher Eccleston's doctor was usually sad with moments
of happiness and David Tennant's doctor was usually happy with
moments of sad, but they were all working off of
the same memories and experiences.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
That's true, like every incarnation of the Doctor is at
its core, the same character, so there should be certain
consistencies throughout, even though like the manifestation may be very different.
I also just think of it's funny because when I
think of David Tennant, this didn't I didn't mean for
this to become a doctor who cast. But when I

(01:16:56):
think of David Tennant's Doctor, I think of a character
who has a really deep seated rage powering him that
is under the surface most of the time, so you
don't see it from episode to episode, but you realize
it's always there as the series goes on, and he

(01:17:17):
lets it kind of escape where he will actually deliver
really terrifying threats to the villains on occasion, which is
not something you would typically see from the doctor, And
so some people actually say that, like David Tennant is
a lot of people's favorite doctor. Ariel's favorite is Christopher
Eckleson because she had a crush on him, but also

(01:17:39):
because he's a genuinely amazing actor and he did a
great job. But a lot of people's favorite doctor is Tenant,
and I've heard some people reference him as the angry doctor,
which is kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Yeah, yeah, all of the really good doctors kind of
do that. Trying to think of the other one that I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Really liked, it was the old Peter Capaldi.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yes, I also really liked him, Uh, not all of
his It was his last arc. His last season series
was the best, I think, but I thought he was
a really good doctor, even when the stories might have
failed or his companion. I didn't care for his companions
as much of some of the time Bill was great.

(01:18:23):
I look forward to this. I was gonna say more,
and I don't remember what I was going to say.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
At all. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Oh, I recommend I recommend watching the like the three
part mini series they did with David Tennant and Donna Noble,
like last year and then the Christmas episode that came
after that with the new players, and see if you
like it, because it's a very different feel and it

(01:18:54):
does well referencing old stuff while making you understand it
as a new viewer. But it has a very different
feel and I really liked where they went with cool.
So if you were going to jump back into Doctor Who,
I'd say give that a try to see if you
like this new this new vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Would you would you recommend?

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Also, because I never saw any of the Peter Capaldy episodes,
but I really like him as an actor. Would you
say that if I were to try and watch that,
I should just jump straight to that his final series
as the Doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Maybe I would have to go back and look at
the episodes. I've always said that Supernatural and Doctor Who
are kind of unless you want to follow the through
arc of the madness of the Doctor and like watching
David Tennant get progressively angry or creepier. Yeah, that it's
one of those shows where you need someone to pull
out the good episodes for you and just watch those
unless there are like through lines and they bring up

(01:19:46):
old monsters from like the very original series too. But
unless you super care about that, just have someone cherry
peck episodes for Okay, but yeah, I really liked I
just really liked Peter Capaldi's take on The Doctor a lot.
So I will let you know where you should start
if you want to get cool.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
That's I'm glad that we were able to have this
conversation that everyone else can listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah, if I mean, I assume most of our fans
who are are our friends, who are fans of Doctor,
who who listen to this show have watched this year,
I think. But if you're also like I don't know
where to start in Peter Capaldi.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
That would be a really good episode.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Honestly, Ariel is that I would love to do an
episode with you where you just give me kind of
your list of episodes Cherry picked episodes for the various Doctors,
saying like, if you want to know what I think
of as sort of the most compelling or best episodes,

(01:20:47):
these are the ones I would suggest you check out
if you were curious but you didn't, but you were
overwhelmed with just the vast number of episodes that are
out there. I think that would be really cool. I
would love to hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I do think it'll vary from person to person because,
like I controversial opinion. I think the Cybermen are the
scariest monsters and doctor who and many people think that
it's the Weeping Angels or I don't know many people
who think the Dollics are the scariest.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
That's because that's because until the modern era, a staircase
could defeat the Daleks. But in the modern era they
do show that they have thrusters that can allow them
to go upstairs. Because that what that actually what I
saw that episode where I was like, Okay, that's clever
where you're actually addressing the joke that a staircase could
beat the dolls.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Yeah, there was a really good episode of Jodie Whittaker's
Doctor that dealt with the Dollks that I quite liked.
It was kind of Groundhog's Day ish. Oh yeah, so that, Yeah,
that would be that would be a fun thing. I
don't know how many people would like to listen to that,
but I'm happy to know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
I think that, Like I said, I think that'd be
really cool. It be kind of like I'm trying to
think of any show where I could do the same
thing where I could say, like, here are the episodes
I think, like maybe Buffy the Vampire Slayer. But I
have a feeling that most of the episodes I would
cite are the ones that anyone who's familiar with the
show would say, like Hush is I think one of
the best episodes Buffy ever did once More with Feeling,

(01:22:15):
which is in a way the opposite of Hush, because
in Hush, for most of the episode no one is
able to talk, and then once More with Feeling it's
their musical episode. But like, I have a feeling that
a lot of my suggestions would be pretty much what
any listical online would say. But yeah, I think that

(01:22:36):
would be really cool something that I don't know if
it'll be cool or not, because honestly, I've been so
burnt out on the stir Wars is the animated Tales
of the Empire that's coming up. We got a trailer
for it. Tails the Empire, I think, tells two different stories,
and we saw a little bit in this. In this

(01:23:00):
I thought the animation looked good. I thought that it
had an interesting dark tone. But I am burnt out
on Star Wars, so it's also hard for me to
get excited about this, especially since once again we've got
like Darth Vader showing up. I mean, you don't see

(01:23:20):
him in full, but there's no mistaking who it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
It's Darth Vader.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
And I'm like, are there any Star Wars stories that
don't tie into this specific era and involve the Skywalker family,
because I'm so tired.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I think there are some books in some comics.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Well, there is an upcoming there is an upcoming series
that takes place one hundred years before a Phantom Menace,
but I mean that's still not quite enough time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
In my book, the e Walk Adventure, they just.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Don't address anything that's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Not the same.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Yeah, I watched a trailer. Honestly, it was a little
slow for me for what it was. It very quickly
lost my attention the first time I tried to watch
through it. I think some of the characters showed up,
and some of the locations showed up in Mandalorian their
season two or three.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Well, and General Grievous is in there, and of course
he's he's killed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Off, wasn't he.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
I think it was in the second of the prequels
where Obi Wan faces off against him and kills him.
Essentially so, but if General Green is thrasking there Thron,
Admiral Thron, he's in there too, Yeah, which is it? Yeah,
because then you're like, Okay, there are characters here who
in my familiarity with the characters. You've got Grievous, who's

(01:24:41):
from the prequel era, so that's when Darth Vader's just Anakin.
He's not Darth Vader yet. You definitely have Darth Vader.
He does show up in the trailer. You have Thran,
who I'm familiar with him after the fall of the Empire,
because the original Thron trilogy took place after Return of
the Jedi, where Thrawn is kind of bringing the remnants

(01:25:04):
of the Empire back under control to have it sort
of rise again. But that doesn't mean that Thron's only
active before the events of Return of the Jedi. But yeah,
there's a lot of time that is spanned in this trailer.
But again, it's two different stories, so that might be
part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Yeah. I've been meaning to go and watch the cartoons
and give them a shot. I've seen like bits and pieces,
but i haven't watched them fully through. So maybe this
will be a good compendium to that. Lastly, I don't
mean to rush us off a topic, but we are running.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
At this point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Yeah. Olivia Wilde and Margot Robi are producing an adaptation
of a comic book done by the Deadpool people called
Evangeliza Avangeline. Evangeline sorry about an angel who wears very
little clothing who fights.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
A female angel who wears very little clothing because that's
the way things were done in the comic books back
in those days in the nineties. I want to say
that it was co created by a model who modeled
for Vampirella as well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
So yeah, so it's.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Evangeline is a sexy, schmexy looking character who does kick
butt type stuff and is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Kind of an.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Angel who was cast out who is now kind of
an avenging spirit for good more or less. That's kind
of the the high level, you know, look at this character.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
So I think that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Like the fact that this character's coming out when we're
getting the new Deadpool movie. I bet that's part of it,
Like it's looking into this guy's work and saying, what
else is out there that we could potentially use and elevate.
I don't know how well it'll do, because the the

(01:27:09):
stuff in comic books that plays with simmy to total
religious themes has a mixed success rate when it comes
to adaptations, right, Like, Lucifer did pretty well as a
TV series, But what was the Keanu Reeves, John Constantine, Constantine?

(01:27:31):
Like I enjoyed Constantine the movie. I thought it was
actually really good, But I enjoyed the TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Oh I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
I don't think I ever saw the television show. But
I loved the film. But it was short, short lived, gotcha. Yeah,
So in both cases, like it wasn't something that really
stood out or lasted the test of time. I mean,
people who love them still love them, obviously, but it's
not like it's not like the film Constantine launched a

(01:28:01):
franchise or anything like that. Despite the fact that there's
some incredible performances in that movie. I mean, you've got
to watch that film if you haven't seen it. I'm
not saying it's the best thing that was ever made,
but considering what it was, I was really impressed. So
my hope is that if this does come out to
be a thing of Ageline, that it ends up being.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Kind of an exception as opposed.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
To the rule where the sort of religious related stuff
from comics just hasn't played as well. Even Lucifer, which
ran for several seasons, I think was more of a
cult show than anything else. Yeah, but you know, we
have some other stuff like Sandman has some religious relationships

(01:28:44):
in it as well and has done pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
So So the TV show was a part of like
the Airoverse, like that gotcha WB Airoverse, But it was
I enjoyed it, and in fact, a character ended up
after it got canceled going on to Legends of Tomorrow
for a few episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
I want to say there was even a Lucifer crossover
with those the Aero Verse characters too, Like I remember
seeing clips on YouTube. That was my experience because I
never got into those shows.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
But I was like, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
I recognize some of these people, and I recognize some
of the characters they're playing, but I'm pretty sure they're
from different shows.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Yeah. Yeah, I loved the crossover stuff. Anything that WB
did crossover wise, I quite enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Yeah, it was funny because like the WB was, I
think handling the DC crossover stuff way better than the
films did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Oh I agree, And I fell off of most of
the shows before the end because I thought they were
stronger in the beginning, but I still think that they
handled all that stuff better. I wonder with Evangeline of Evengeline.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Who I know, it's hard to say.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Yeah if it's mainly when I'm being a lazy speaker,
which is something that film is tiny little bunny trail.
I when I started acting in film, I was told
that I over enunciated. It's a stage voice acting thing
that you do, and so when I do film work,

(01:30:15):
I don't. I'm conscious less. So now there's more of
a switch I can turn that I don't enunciate as well,
because it can seem it can seem unnatural acting even
if you're yeah, even if you are like genuinely feeling
your feelings and not putting on an act, it still
comes across that way. But it has affected the way that,

(01:30:38):
like when I do speech to text on my phone,
my phone no longer understands me very well, So Jonathan
smack me if I'm ever speaking super unclearly. But I
wonder if coming off of Barbie If and Olivia Wilde,
if Margo Ruby and Olivia wild are going to keep

(01:30:59):
a vengelin in like the male Gaze Arena or if
they're going to update the care I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
They update, unless they use it to make commentary, in
which case I can understand that. But like, I feel like,
if you look at comic book covers, particularly from the nineties,
but it's still a thing now. It was so often

(01:31:28):
that any female character was treated like a cheesecake model,
right Like, it's always in these weird positions that most
humans can't actually do, and really like emphasizing things like
the butt or the chest region like that kind of stuff.

(01:31:51):
And obviously there's been countless commentaries and jokes made about it,
but it continued, it persisted to be a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Thing, and.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
There's a very delicate way to handle that where it
becomes something where it's a woman's way of expressing herself
and it's like fully through her own agency, and she's
doing it for her own reasons and it has nothing
to do with the male gaze. But it's hard to
do that in a way that's genuine and isn't actually

(01:32:24):
a guy behind the scenes saying I kind of want
to see what she looks like if she wears this
tank top, right Like, it's it's a really tricky thing,
and I don't want to get fully into it, and Ariel,
I know you feel very much the same way, like
there is there is a way to do this where
it's empowering. It really is empowering and it's not it's

(01:32:45):
not demeaning or ejectification. It is empowering. But that is
a hard thing to do and it almost never works
if it's a dude who's in charge of doing it.
So the fact that it's two women who are producing,
maybe they could do a better job of that. Obviously
as producers, they're not they're not necessarily the ones calling

(01:33:07):
the shots on a day to day basis though, So
I don't know, but it's a we can have a
full episode just dedicated to the male gaze and how.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Complicated that is we could? Yeah, and it goes it
goes into, you know, the trope of being of women
being told that they need to dress a certain way
to not attract a male gaze or to tempt people,
or and into just stereotypes. Yeah, it's a whole conversation.
Margot Robi co produced on Barbie though, right, so, and

(01:33:38):
that turned out pretty well, but it was very tongue
in cheek about like self referential. I don't know the
right word. It was very blatant and it's making Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Yeah, so it's it's doable.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
It's just like it's it's really it depends on who
else is on the is on the creative team. We
should also say that as we're recording this, this is
a project that doesn't have a home yet. It's not
like there's a studio behind it, so we can't even
say that this will definitively become a thing, but that

(01:34:10):
the the initial things have started. But obviously, like there
are tons of projects that get started in Hollywood that
never go anywhere, it's possible this could be another one.
But it is an interesting choice. Olivia Wild also interesting
person in that her reputation is a little up and
down as well, right, Like it's not it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Positive, so.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Especially with the don't worry Darling stuff, I'm not going
to go into that either, but.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's another topic for another day.
As far as it is, this could be a two
part episode.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
It's so long, it's gonna it's gonna take me probably
about three hours to edit, so that's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Going to be a fun, fun time. But yeah, so yeah, if.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Y'all out there if you're interested in us having these
conversations less No, I mean some of y'all might be like,
please know, I've had enough of these kind of talks.
I don't want you to my absolute favorite podcasters of
all time to go down that road. That's fair too,
we want.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
To hear.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Yeah, yeah, we definitely do. Just like we heard some
of you asking for mashups, which we do intend on
bringing back, though this week. I thought it was gonna
be a thirty minute episode and boy, howdie, So Jonathan,
if they do want to tell us these things, how
do they?

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
How? How okay?

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
So you're gonna have to go and get a cheesecake
out of that? I'm sorry. I don't make the rules.
I'm just reporting them. You're just gonna have to find
something that's really flattering for you and put that on,
and you're gonna have to go out and strut in public,
and you're gonna think of it as empowering, even though
other people might be looking at it from a totally
different perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
And at the end of the day, when you've gone.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Through all of your experiences, is both good and bad,
and you're weighing what this all means you're going to
turn around and I'm gonna say, hey, if you mind
if I take a picture and you say okay, but
only if you answer my question, and I will begrudgingly
answer whatever it was that you wanted to ask me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Yeah, and if you don't have the sewing chops to
make the outfit that you really really want, you can
reach out to us on social media on Facebook and
Instagram and threads and discord. We're a large neur Drun
Collider on Twitter, slash x. We are llnc underscore podcast.
You can also email us. Our email is large Neurdrun
Pod at gmail dot com and all of our show

(01:36:36):
notes they're currently up to date. Who will be up
after this episode airs on our website as soon as
I figure out what kind of funky art I'm gonna
make for it. And yeah, we do love hearing from you.
Thanks to everybody who's been active on our discord lately.
It's been a delight. Until next time. I am Ariel,

(01:36:58):
I need to get a sandwich cast in, and.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
I am Jonathan Cheesecake Strickland. The Large Nerdron Collider was
created by Ariel Caston and produced, edited, published, deleted, undeleted

(01:37:21):
published again. Cursed At by Jonathan Strickland, music by Kevin
McLeod of incomptech dot com

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