December 16, 2020 • 51 mins
The pandemic threw a monkey wrench into movie studio plans. We look at which movies have been delayed, which one is coming out earlier than expected, and how streaming is causing an existential crisis for movie theaters.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast is a production of my
Heart Radio. Hey everybody, welcome to the Large Nerdron Collider Podcast,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us and how very excited we are
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about them. I am Ariel casting, and with me, as
always is my super brilliant creative co host Jonathan Strickland. Guys,
I really wish you could be on this video call.
When we do this, Ariel really talks with her hands
a lot, and it's just very entertaining to me and
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it never translates over to the podcast. Ariel, as always,
I have a question for you. Okay, your question is
and this will actually loop back into the episode. Believe
it or not. You're familiar with the Dungeons and the Dragons, correct,
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I might be a little familiar with the Dungeons and
the Dragons. Yes, if you had to put yourself into
a class in the Dungeons and the Dragons, like any
class you want, It doesn't have to be one that
you think fits you right now. You could be any
class in the real world. Which class do you choose?
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I would be a barred barion, a bard, so, a
barred barbarian. Yes, yes, wait wait wait are you do
you only play heavy metal? Do you like? Do you
like pose for Molly Hatchet album covers? Listen? We all know?
Uh well, actually our new listeners may not know. I
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do dabble in the LARPing when it's not dimmick, and
I usually play heavy hitters barbarian type people. I just
like it. It's just it's fun to not have to
worry about learning too much, fun to whack people with
a giant foam stick. Yes, but then I also I
also play music in in you know, my real life,
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and then some of my bandmates also play with me,
so then I end up playing music. And so Bard
Baryon is not an actual D and d uh class
for for anybody who's not familiar, but I'm really working
to make it one so you get multi class. Yeah,
what about you. I'm trying to remember the rules for
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d n D and whether Bard is allowable as a
multi class character. Um well, I guess it depends on
the iteration of a right. Yeah. You also, dear listeners,
have to remember that when I started playing Ducheons and Dragons,
it was after the basic dn D set that had
been released, but it was when Advanced Dungeons and Dragons
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was a sing before even the second edition, So I've
had a lot of different experiences with D n D
over the many generations. I would say that out of
all the different classes that have existed throughout the various
iterations of D and D, I would go with Swashbuckler,
which I recall from Advance Stages and Dragons second edition.
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It was in the Fighters Manual where you got like
a supplemental manual to the game, and it had a
whole bunch of different subclasses of fighters and Swashbucklers, essentially
pirate or musketeer type character. But the other option I
would have gone with, if I go with just the
basic ones, is also barred. Not because I'm particularly musical,
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but because I'm irritating and rarely helpful. I don't think
that about you at all. You're very helpful and I
enjoy being around. That's why you and I are in
a party together, and people you want to hang out
with me. So I'm glad we have that question settled.
And today we're going to be talking a lot about
movies and what has been going on throughout the pandemic
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and how it's affected movies. Just as we talked about
television previously, now we're talking about film, and this is
also a moment for us to acknowledge that are our
wonderful producer TORII. She has a background in film, She
went to film school, so I'm sure this is one
of those things that she feels particularly passionate about as
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we are looking at how the world of film is
changing as a result of the the health crisis. But
we're gonna start off by talking about specific movies and
what's been going on with them. Some of them have
have seen their their release dates shuffle around a bit,
and and specifically giggy movies that we're excited about. So
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you know, we're not always going to talk about TV
and movies, but that's what we're doing today, all right.
So I think we should start with The Batman the Batman,
not just the Batmanman the Batman the Batman with Robert
Pattinson um because they went back to filming during during
the pandemic and then they immediately shut down because Robert
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Pattinson had COVID. Yeah, this was one of those examples
we were talking about in that last episode about how
depending upon who gets affected and and and how often
they're around other people. Uh, a COVID case can shut
down a production for a couple of weeks. Now, in
this case, you're talking about the lead actor. So obviously
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that's going to affect things. But if it if it
was like a day player, like a one line person,
they might just get replaced, right if if and if
they were able to determine, oh well, that person wasn't
around enough people for that to be a potential problem.
So it was originally going to come out on October
in October, and now currently they've pushed that back to
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March of twenty two, and Dune, which was going to
come out a little earlier, is now moving into the
Batman's original time launch window. And June was supposed to
come out this year is supposed to be a Christmas present.
The spice must flow, but it must flow a little
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later than when we intended. Yeah, that's that's a that's
a bummer. I mean, it's part of this is obviously
because of delays in production. Part of it is due
to just making the strategy of when your tent pole
films are going to launch, and and it's also a
lot of hedging your bets and wondering like, when are
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you going to be able to make the biggest impact?
When will will theaters be open by then? We'll talk
a lot more about theaters later in this episode. Yeah,
and you know that's not the only one. Matrix is
also being pushed back. Matrix is being moved up. This
one's actually they fin that one earlier and so it's
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been moved up to December one, but originally it was
supposed to come out in the spring of two. I'm
excited about Matrix four, although I never saw the third
Matrix movie. I so just my very personal opinion, I
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there are only a few movies that once they get
to the third I'm like, yeah, this is still super awesome,
and Matrix is one of those that just didn't hit
that benchmark for me. Well, Matrix two is why I
didn't see Matrix three, Okay, Like I loved the first film.
I thought it was really interesting, really innovative. It was
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the second DVD I ever bought, which I think is
I think a lot of people Matrix is. Yeah, the
first first DVD I ever bought was South Park, Bigger, longer,
and uncut, So I wouldn't I wouldn't admit to that,
but that's a fan pastic musical. But Matrix, for I
am still kind of excited about it because I want
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to see what the new vision is for that world.
I didn't like the way Matrix to unfolded. I felt
like a lot of the things I thought I understood
about the first film I was totally off base about,
and instead of being excited by that, I was discouraged,
which is why I never bothered to see the third one,
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because I was just like, this feels like it took
a left turn and I really wanted to see what
was straight ahead. So I got I was like, I'm out, um,
but I do. I do wanna see how that goes.
And of course, I mean anytime you can build out
the mythology of a science fiction world, I think that
can be exciting. Yeah, if if you just want to
explore more of the Matrix world, have you watched the Animatrix?
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I have not, and that was one of those that
I really wanted to check out because I kept hearing
that at least half of the entries in the Animatrix
were really good. In the other half, we're you know,
different people had different reactions to Yeah, I mean, I
would agree, but it also helps you kind of explore
that world more. You expect it to be a left
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turn sort of or at least a bunny trail. But
back to Batman is not the The Batman sorry, is
not the only superhero movie being pushed back. Uh, the
Flash is also being pushed back. Shazam two is being
pushed back, and then Black Adam sadly not being pushed back.
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It was taken off, which I just want to say, like,
I enjoy Shasam, but I was really watching it. Let's
be honest here to myself, true to myself for Black
Adam to come in, because that's Dwayne Johnson, Dwayne the
Rock Johnson Rock, who I was very excited to see
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his Black Adam. So that's disappointing. I hope they bring
it back in a future time. I mean, obviously, as
as we were just alluding to, the pandemic has made
it much more complicated for these these companies that have
had extensive, like launch plans that are laid out to
be like a decade out. Disney has done this with
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the Marvel films. Not to mention some other ones will
talk about in just a second. But uh, you know,
clearly something like this throws a wrench into all of that,
because again, productions are more complicated and you're not really
sure if you're even gonna have theaters to release two
by the end of it. Yeah. The weird one for
me though, because Black Adam is not the only movie
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from that studio site that has been dropped all together.
They've also dropped the Minecraft movie. To me, I'm I'm
thinking that's when it's perfect to making Quarantine, because it's
all I would imagine. It would all be C g
I and voice actors. I haven't heard much about the
Minecraft movie, have you have not, but I was really
hoping it was going to be a live action film
starring Patton Oswald with a pick axe. I would yeah,
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I would watch that. I would watch that very very hard.
I didn't even know there was a Minecraft movie in
production until I read that. So we read an article
in Variety that had all this information in it about
the different films that have been affected by the pandemic,
and then we got the thing that leads into where
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I asked the question at the beginning of the episode.
Something I'm also excited to see what people do with,
So yeah, this is one. I didn't realize that there
was a Dungeons and Dragons movie currently in development until
I was doing research on films that had been impacted
by the lockdown, and I saw that one of them
that was pushed back was Dungeons and Dragons, and I thought, really,
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they're going to try and make another one of those. Well,
I mean, they've been talking about it forever. So for me,
it's not that I didn't know that there was a
Dungeons and Dragons movie and develop them, it's that I
didn't know one had actually taken purchase. I mean we
even heard Joe Meganello. I think I said that right,
uh wanted to make a D and D movie. He's
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a big D and D fan. We know that Vin
Diesel is a big D and D fan, so it
was only a matter of time. It's just the past
ones have not been exception of the cartoon, have not
been the most fun to watch. One thing I think
is interesting is that a lot of the people who
you would associate with actually doing a D and D movie,
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as in these are people who are either associated with
with loving the game or loving like video games. Things
like like Henry cavill and stuff people like that. They're
all these huge beefy dudes, which is which is funny
to be Like, Like, I think of the gun people
I played dn D with. We none of us were
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huge beefy dudes. Um so no, but you might have
pretended that you were. But these guys are gonna have
to pretend that there. Like I would want a dn
D movie where half the film is taking place in
the real world and you see the real people who
are playing the characters. So I mean, but if you've
got a big beefy dude playing acter, you want to
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see the people playing the game playing the characters. I
see what you're saying. Didn't they do that in the
last DND movie that didn't go So I honestly don't know.
I stopped. It didn't have Richard O'Brien in it, so
I was out, all right, I couldn't do that fair enough.
So we don't know much about this D and D
movie other than the fact that it was supposed to
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release in one and is now pushed to May two.
Try saying that five times past, because it's not that hard.
But there are lots of speculations of people that they've
been pursuing to be in it. Will Smith, Josh Brolin,
Chris Pratt, Fan Diesel Vin Diesel, Yeah, Matthew mcconnaugh hey,
Jamie Foxx, Joel Ledgerton, Dave Battista, Jeremy Renner, Johnny Depp.
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A lot of them have worked in fantasy and sci
fi genre US, so it's not that they're unusual too,
they're unfamiliar to those genres. But Luper did make an
assumption or post a question, and I wonder what you
think about it, Jonathan. They said, are they looking at
all these people to pare them down to one leading man?
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Or are they looking at all of these people to
be leading men? Because each is going to play a
different character type, and a party is usually made up
of leading men, which I think would be fantastic. I'd
love to see each of them take their own style
of acting and preferred genre and put it into their
D and D party character. I mean, I imagine it's
going to be it's going to be an ensemble piece.
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If it's not an ensemble piece, then it's not really
Dungeons and Dragons, right, So I mean like it might
as well be any fantasy film. If you have it
where there's one principal lead and then a bunch of
supporting characters, you could you don't have to have the
D and D. You know, I p attached to it
at all, because really, when I think of ducheons and dragons,
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I think of that that party experience, and honestly, I
would like to see an all women cast, uh and
just bring all the actresses from Bridesmaids in and do
a D and D movie. Okay, an aerial too, an ariel.
I mean, I have no doubt it'll be on an
ensemble cast. It's just whether it's an ensemble of like
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a big name and a bunch of lesser known actors,
or an ensemble of all Yeah, I think it'll probably be. Actually,
they're probably gonna aim. I mean a lot of the
producers that are attached to this, or people who have
worked on movies like Guardians of the Galaxy, so you
look at that and you're like, Okay, well, you've worked
with some ensembles that have some some notable people in them.
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I mean, I think we could probably expect something along
the same lines. And obviously, anytime you're trying something like that,
the hope is that you can set things up for
another franchise, right, So another like how long are you
going to go to the well of Marvel, d C
and Star Wars. You're probably gonna want a couple of
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other things to dip into occasionally as well. And I
think Dudgeons and Dragons is one of those things. Yeah.
Another one of those things this Ghostbuster Ghostbusters Afterlife. So
this was supposed to come out, uh in you know,
early one at least, but it's had its own delays.
It recently wrapped shooting as in not like I think
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it was in November of this year that they finally wrapped. Obviously,
their whole production was delayed significantly through the pandemic. I
mean I remember seeing the teaser trailers for Ghostbusters Afterlife
like almost a year ago, and they hadn't even they
still had a year to go before they rapped shooting. Yeah,
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and this is a hard one because they do have
kid actors and and kid actors grow up and this one,
this one's supposed to come out June, and this one's
from Paramount. We're gonna talk a little bit more about
some energies that movie studios have when it comes to
releasing films in the pandemic. What Paramount has been essentially
doing is, rather than holding onto its movies, selling off
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those films to various streaming services. Yeah. Something else I
am sure I will enjoy when it eventually comes out
is the Wicked movie. I've never actually seen the stage play.
I've seen it now, you know, and I lived with
a roommate who adored it, So I've heard all of
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the music. I just haven't never defied gravity on multiple occasions,
defied gravity and and defied societal expectations for myself. I mean,
that's that's that's your go too. Yeah. So this was
this was originally supposed to come out um next December,
so December, but that obviously hasn't happened. I mean they,
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as far as I know, they haven't even begun production
on this. The director who was attached to the prod
check had to exit, Stephen Daldry, because he had scheduling
conflicts because the delays had pushed this so far back.
So as far as I know, it's still planned. Uh,
there's I haven't heard of a new director being attached
to it, largely because again it's hard to plan things
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when you're in the middle of a pandemic. But this
is a This is a bummer for people who who
like movie musicals. Yeah, yeah, you know, And I do
appreciate Daldry for stepping down. You know, it wasn't out
of malice. It was simply he couldn't turn it around
in the time they wanted. And I appreciate him saying,
you might find find somebody who can give you a
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better product for the time frame you He said that
it was an amicable parting. It was just, you know,
it's just business. Also just business. I'm kind of excited
because Jurassic to a park dominion, it feels like it's
taking all of the previous Jurassic parks and mashing it
all up together, which it is, uh, and I'm very
excited about it. Uh to see all of those actors altogether,
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the Jurassic World and the Jurassic Park. I'm curious to
see if once again we will have a plot that's
so stupid about making dinosaurs as weapons, as if that
would somehow be more effective than I don't know, weapons. Uh,
it's it's Jurassic Park dominion. They're all going to be
wearing pith helmets, pith helmets and top hats and monocles,
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the dinosaurs, uh and and playing parliament. I'm fine with that.
So yeah, this movie was an enormous effort. It took
a year and a half from pre production to rapping,
and that's with it being the first movie to come
back to production after Everything Shift. That was the very
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first film, major film, to go back into production after
the initial lockdown. According to the producers, they administered approximately
forty thousand COVID tests throughout the length of the production
and process once they came back online. Apparently, the the
COVID testing added somewhere around eight million dollars to the
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film's budget um, just just to make sure that they
were doing things in a way that wasn't going to
put anyone at risk. They also had hand washing stations
and temperature stations and doctors on set. They worked with
a private health company to make sure that their set
was as safe as they could possibly make it, which
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is fantastic. And then they all lived in the bubble,
which mean they didn't really get to see their family.
You know, sometimes when you're shooting a film, if you've
if you've got a period of time where you're not
working you can go visit your family for a little
bit if they're not nearby. These people couldn't do that.
They all had to be quarantined together. But in reading
the article from Deadline, it sounds like that made them
a lot closer, and so I'm really interested to see
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how that affects the actor's performances in this movie, because
you've got that extra level of vulnerability when you're living
with somebody day day out. For that, it made me
think of the stories about the filming process for What
Hot American Summer, because everyone actually stayed at that summer camp,
and so through the process of staying there, they all
got like ridiculous and silly, and it kind of carried
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over into the movie, which obviously is ridiculous and silly.
So I except for the week that they rented it
out to the bar Mitzian So I think. I think
it's like one of those sort of things where it
is kind of like you almost think of it as
a sleepaway camp kind of experience, not the movie Sleepaway Camp.
That's that's a slasher film. But you know, you don't
know what I'm saying. Well, when we come back, we're
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gonna have a little bit more discussion about what is
the future for film, not just as we go through
the rest of the pandemic and out the other side,
but but moving forward from there. And we've got a
lot to talk about with that. But let's take a
quick break, al right, So we're back and a couple
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of our news articles we actually moved into this conversation
topic because it's important to the future of movie theaters.
So Universal Pictures has shortened the amount of time that
a blockbuster movie at first round movie stays in the
theater before people can rent it online by it such
like that to to try to make up for these
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profits that are being missed, and uh, it hit theater
is pretty hard. It did the original. Generally, the accepted
approach is that a film is in theaters for like
three months before you can start to offer it up
on things like Blu ray or streaming. But Universal shortens
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that to seventeen days, so half a month essentially. M Yeah,
and then like very recent news, as in the week
that we're recording this, Warner Brothers announced that they're going
to be just releasing a whole year worth of their
movies to HBO Max directly without along with the movie
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theater without any without any extra charge for HBO Max.
This is to drive more people to subscribe to HBO Max.
And uh, the idea there is that films that will
go up in theaters will also be available that day
on HBO Max and they will be available for I
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think thirty one days, uh for free. Yeah. So that
that way, if you are, if you are an HBO
Max subscriber, then the seventeen movies that Warner has on
its slate for will all be available. And both of
these stories are making movie theater is very nervous. Understandably,
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they are not. They are fans of the idea of
getting rid of that exclusivity. That exclusivity of of only
being able to see a movie in a movie theater
is the lifeblood for for theaters, and they've been having
a real hard time in a lot of movie theaters
have been looking at shutting down. Uh. In fact, Cineworld,
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which owns Regal cinemas, shut down all five thirty six
of its theaters for at least until March of next
year because there's not enough movies coming out to keep
them going. The I think the nail in the coffin
was when the new James Bond film got pushed back.
They said, there's yeah, there's just not enough movies to
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bring audiences in for us to break even. They like,
even even if they have all full, Like a lot
of theaters are working at capacity right now, so even
if they have they sell out that entire capacity. If
there's only one movie, they aren't gonna be able to
pay their employees, Eric can be able to buy the popcorn,
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the concessions and everything. We've known for a long time
that the margins of running the theater business are really thin. Like,
theaters do not make very much money off of ticket sales.
They make their money elsewhere, like largely through concessions and
also renting out their space occasionally. And uh, and we're
starting obviously both of those take a huge hit, right.
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So if you if you're selling fewer tickets, fewer people
are going to be buying food. Um, and if you
are in the middle of a pandemic, you're not gonna
get a lot of people saying, oh, you know what
I want to do rent out a movie theater and
fill it with two other people. So it's it's a
really tough time. And there are a lot of articles
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out there asking about do movie theaters even have a future?
Are they going to be able to survive this? When
they were already struggling before the pandemic, and now not
only has the pandemic shut them down in the meantime,
but setting an expectation among consumers about what seeing a
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film means these days, I mean it is. It's really
interesting to me because so much of the recouping the
cost of making the movie comes from that initial box
office weekend, you know, uh, and if you're getting it
for free on streaming, I don't know how they're going
to recoup that. I don't have insight into that. But
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also as a consumer, when when you look at, for instance,
King Kong versus Godzilla or Dune or something big like that,
which are a couple of the movies coming to HBO Max,
I want to see those on the big screen. There's
so much work and so much detail put into the
special effects, into the imagery, into the landscaping, and so
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much soundscaping, so much artistry put into the entire package
that I you know, I have a pretty good media
set up my house, but it still does not compare
in any way to seeing it on the big screen,
especially if you go opening night and you've got all
the people around you, and I realized, we can't do
that in a pandemic right now. But you know, you've
got all the people around you, and you all gasp
at the same moments, and you all laugh and share
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at the same moments. There is nothing to replace that feeling. Um,
So Netflix watch parties do not even come close. I
I fully agree with you, Ariel. I think like I'm
a curmudgeon, I'm a grouchy dude, and I'm I'm the
grouchy dude who when I go to the theater, I
hate it when someone is talking. I hate seeing that
glow of someone's getting on their phone. You know, I'm
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the get off my lawn kind of guy. But I
love it when a room full of people are immersed
in the story and when something exciting happens there is
a reaction in the audience that is it's a it's
akin to the feeling you get at live theater right
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where people are having It's it's a relationship between what
is going on in front of you and the audience. Now,
in a film, it's weird because of course, the film
can't react to what the way the audience is reacting.
But it is one of those things that's really special.
That communal feeling is something like some of my favorite
memories that involved movies aren't about the film, but rather
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the experience of seeing the film in a full theater. Um.
I think of Star Trek for the Voyage Home, which
was the goofy Whales movie. You know, they go back
into the eighties and they rescue some whales in that
movie and Star Trek I saw that when it first
came out in a room full of Star Trek geeks
and the reactions because that that movie was so lighthearted
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and funny compared to the other Star Trek movies, it
was such a huge surprise and people were so into
it that it was it elevated the movie for me.
So it is a really scary thing to think that
that's an experience we may not be able to have
for quite some time because even with things like rollouts
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for vaccines, even with continued pressure to make sure that
people are are behaving responsibly, you know, there's just no
way to I can't see a way for movie theaters
to exist the way they used to. Moving forward, I
think they're going to have to change, which, in turn,
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as you were pointing out, means the whole film industry
has to change. Because if you can't do these ridiculously
enormous budget films and expect to recoup those costs, that's
gonna have to change the way movies are made. You're
gonna see a lot fewer of those big tent pole
blockbusters because there's just no way to make your money back.
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I mean. But on the other hand, if you think
about it, For instance, quite a few of our more
independent movie theaters, in a way to in Atlanta, in
a way to make ends meet, have been converting to
drive ins, so they'll have a few drive in movies
each weekend, and then they have some some new movies
and a lot of older movies that people really like
and like to rewatch playing in their theaters. They can
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run out the theaters. You can have a private party
still at a minimized capacity for an entire theater. So
if you're entired, if you're the NBA team living in
a bubble, you can have a theater together and watch
a movie. But you might already have a movie theater
in your bubble. I don't know. It's the NBA. I
don't follow it. Uh, but you know a lot of
them have turned to drive in movie theaters. So it's
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the way that you can pay. You can be in
your car. You're kind of still isolated, but you can
watch a movie. And drive ins were a thing of
the past, and they're still around, only yeah, not nearly
as many as there used to be. We do have
a a fairly big one here in Atlanta called Starlight Um.
That is, you know, they've often rented that space out
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for all sorts of stuff like like like like farmers
markets and things and flea markets. But uh, you know
a lot of those are even theaters that used to
exist are have long since been bulldozed, but part of
the pandemic, some of them are coming back. But I
guess my point is, my hope is that that that community, once,
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once people are once we do have a vaccine, and
once once we're used to the new normal and hopefully
things are better, that people will still want that camaraderie
and movie theaters will make a comeback. I feel like
if we get to a point whereas the society we
can be around each other safely again, and you know,
I know that will take some time. I know a
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few people who are worried about first run vaccines and
things like that. So even once we have one, it
will take a while for it to get out to
everybody and do its job, hopefully quicker than we're expecting.
But but we don't know. But I have like my
hope is that this time and isolation, this time apart
in this time watching movies on demand will make people
(31:55):
desire to be together in these situations more um in
the future, and so I'm hoping it has to come back.
I like going to the movie theater. I also am
a curmuagtion about when people talk around on their cell phone.
Uh I guess I hit that when I turned thirty.
But I wouldn't mind if we had more theaters that
had There's a lot I don't like about the Alamo Drafthouse.
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I will not get into all of that, this is
not the time and place, but I will say I
love their policy. They have a zero tolerance policy for
people who are talking or texting or anything like that
in a movie, and they will tell you to leave
if you're doing it, and you know they want they
want to preserve that movie going experience, and that's the
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sort of thing I like to see because it really
does change your perception of the film and change your
experience of watching it. And yes, it's nice to be
able to see these stories at home, at your own
convenience and be able to pause the film whenever you want,
so you can go and you know, make a snack
or go to the bathroom or whatever, and you're not
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missing anything. You don't have to come back and say,
what's happened? Why is she talking to him? Now? You
don't have to do any of those things. Um. But
it's you lose so much, I mean just in the scale,
the scope, especially for those those special effects heavy films. Um.
And you lose that that feeling of sitting in a
room with people, most of whom you don't know, and
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you're all experiencing the same thing and all having you know,
these very human reactions. We we talked about on Business
on the Brink how the millennial generation is much more
focused on experience and things, yeah than things, And I
feel like this is one that is an experience, you know.
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So I know that movie theaters have been declining for
a while, but I I really hope we find a
way to pivot back and make it work because and
there are a lot of other things we didn't really
touch on here. We're kind of out of time, but
there's a there's a very complicated relationship between movie studios
and cable companies because a lot of those have kind
of merged together. You know, we mentioned Universal, they're part
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of NBC, which means if they wanted to, they could
use Peacock, the streaming service for NBC, in a way
very similar to the way Warner is using HBO Max. Right,
we could start seeing more fragmentation like that, where we're
going to see more and more subscription based services taking
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the place of things like the theatrical experience. That could
be a future. It's not one I particularly want to see.
But uh, this this is complicated stuff because those companies
have all kind of merged into these mega communications and
entertainment companies. And and it's funny to me because this
is the same sort of thing that the US government
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previously attempted to prevent, Like there were rules in place
where movie studios would not be allowed to own chains
of theaters because it was anti competitive. But now we're
seeing that exact same thing play out. Is just not
movie theaters, it's in streaming services because it's cable companies
and and there was no one to step in the
way of any of that. Yeah. Yeah, But unfortunately we're
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out of time, so we can't dive further into that today.
Maybe in the future. Okay, we've gotta we gotta mash
up ahead of us. That's gonna be a lot of
fun to chat about. The first I think we're gonna
take a quick break and drown our sorrows, perhaps in
some fruit punch and we're back Listen. We just had
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a Sonic the Hedgehog movie, and we're about to have
a June movie. Look, I know they're both really old properties.
We talked about Sonic on Business in the Brink and Dune.
I don't remember when I first learned about it, because
it was around. It's been around forever, not forever, but
for a while. Um, but they're they're new again. So
(36:08):
I wanted okay, I wanted to pick things that were
relevant currently. Okay, so, uh, we would typically go do
a rundown on what these are. So Dune being a
famous science fiction uh epic series at this point, Frank
Herbert creating it, and it's a a a series that
begins with a character who inherits his father's legacy and
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his father himself has been essentially punished by being sent
to lord over a desert planet called Aracus. But it's
it's complicated politics and mythology. It's got this mixture of
mysticism and science fiction, mobile Sarlax essentially yeah, yeah, sand
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words being the big famous image that you see, and
it's influenced tons of stuff. It's been adapted into films
in mini series before. The film often gets a lot
of criticism. The original movie gets a lot of criticism,
partly because a lot of the stuff that happens in
the book has characters who are are thinking things through.
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So how do you portray that when it's a movie,
because you can't, Like you could try and create dialogue,
but that gets very artificial very quickly. So so there
was a lot of voiceovers. There's a lot of voiceovers also.
You know, as as an actor, I'm often told it's
it's what you think between the lines that sells it.
But you get tired of watching that much thinking yeah, yeah,
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you'd have characters essentially stop what they're doing for like
forty five seconds, so that this monologue could be performed
via voiceover while they were staring out at nothing. Do
you do you like Dune? I do I do like Dune? Um?
You know it's I'm not a I'm not a die
hard Dune fan. But that's because when I was growing up,
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I I lean more towards fantasy than science fiction. The
two were always grouped together in bookstores. But I was
more of a fantasy guy. So again, token, I mean,
I've got the token tattoo, etcetera, etcetera. But I have
an appreciation for done, and there is a lot of
fantasy in Dune as well. Like I think of it
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as science fiction, but if you actually read through it,
there are a lot of fantastical elements, things, things that
things that almost range towards magical. Um with the way
those those that world plays out. Um Or are you
are you a big fan of Dune? I am so.
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I watched I watched the original movie. That was my
intro to it. I will just say way back when. Um,
but I like it. I do like this story. I'm
very excited about the new movie. It looks like it
holds pretty true to the book, which is something we
have talked about in past podcasts by saying that five
times fast or just once for me? Yeah, yeah, for
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me obviously too. Or I'm sure we'll talk about it
again in the future as well, because it's it's something
that constantly comes up in the geek sphere, right right.
How do you how do you adapt things that were
in one medium for another, and how do you satisfy
not just the fans of the original, but how do
you bring new fans in who are unfamiliar with the
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stuff This is really We will do episodes where we
dive into that because that is a big, heavy, like
complicated topic. Yeah, so, so I am and I don't mind.
I don't mind when movies veer from the books because
sometimes they need to. But as you said, like with
the thinking, um, I am a fan of Dune. I
am more of a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog movie,
(39:54):
Holy coll the game. The game, I haven't full disclos sure,
I haven't seen the movie. It actually got better reviews
than I expected it to. The bim Bam boys had
some interesting funny things to say about it. I think
they said it on The Besties, though I don't think
it was I would saying I don't I don't recall
I'm not one caught up on on their series, but
(40:16):
I don't recall them talking about it. I think it
was the best ties um just Justin and Griffin. But yeah, yeah,
I agree, I saw I also have not seen it
full disclosure, but I've seen reviews about that. But we
were really basing it more on Sonic the Hedgehog, the
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character in general, and yeah, it's a game series, it's
been around for many years out of Sega, and of
course he Sonic was a direct response to to Mario
kind of and give him a literal run for his money. Yeah,
they need they needed, they needed to have a a
video game iconic character to help the Sega brand, and
(41:00):
Sonic ended up being it a blue Hedgehog who runs
really fast and has a perpetual arch nemesis in the
form of Dr Eggman, who turns poor little cute little
animals into robots. Yeah. Yeah, it's actually when you it's
actually when you really look at at the what's going
(41:22):
on in Sonic that you realize, like, wow, this is
like some Cronenberg level horror stuff going on here. Don't
say that I don't like horror, but the thing I
like about Sonic is because you spin and then you
just spin as a as as the character, and it
is certainly a difficult game, especially when you get to
the higher levels. But I I am horrible at jumping
(41:45):
from platform into platform like you do with Mario, and
I like Mario, but you can skip a whole bunch
of that if you're good at Sonic. You just spin
right over it and then you're at the end of
the level. So yeah, I am also not particularly strong
at plat formers. So while I think some people might
view this, at least the early Sonic games as being
a platform er with training wheels, I don't mind having
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training wheels if it means I get to learn how
to play. Uh So, um, I have a pitch for
Sonic Hedgehog Meats done. You're ready? I actually wrote this
one down. Here we go. So Sonic atreyad S is
a young Hedgehog noble who gets plopped down on the
planet Aracus while he's enjoying a spicy chili dog boosted
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by a bit of milange in the Chili spice. An
armed force under the command of the evil baron Dr
Vladimir robot Nick Sonics family is whited out, but Sonic
escapes into the desert wasteland when he discovers that the
milange has given him the ability, nay, the compulsion to
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run fast. Gotta go fast, he says a lot, and
he runs out from the dangers of a military takeover
into the dangers a desert filled with sandworms, and there
he discovers a brave indigenous force and a whole bunch
of sand worms and a love of gold rings. For
some reason, I still need to work that part out,
(43:12):
the gold rings I'm having I'm having trouble working the
gold rings in Okay, okay, so that um, that brings
me to my pitch, which flat out not as good
as yours way to mesh all those characters together. But okay,
so polish radius, who's the main character of Dude is
with the Benny Jester and he has to stick his
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hand and essentially what I remember as being the same
as the boo box from Hook Yes, the pain box
or you don't know what's in it, And he pulls
out his hand and on each finger is a gold ring,
and all of a sudden there is a rumble under
the ground as these five gold rings called this horrible
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creature to him, and you just see the sand he's
he's staring out into the desert as the sand is
flying everywhere, and mountains crumble on either side of this
huge mound that is spinning towards him, and out pops
this giant rays or toothed, blue, giant hedgehog whose nose
(44:14):
could swallow you. Not his mouth, no, his nose, because
he is that big. I'm sorry, I'm sad, I'm yelling
into the microphone. Sorry, everybody. And then he asked for
a chili dog. So so in your version of Dune
meats Sonic the hedgehog, Sonic is a sandworm. He is,
and it's very anti quobatic. That's but it's really exciting.
Like I, I legit had not thought of that as
(44:36):
a possibility, you know. That's that's honestly what made me
want to do. I was like, Sonic was recent Une
side could be a sandworm. I like that. You made
the chili dog the spice. I may have I might
have stole that a little bit from you, but we didn't.
We didn't even mention that the in Dune there's this
um the substance on Aracus in particular, called spice, which
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can be refined into a drug called milange, and that
has different different effects on people. But that's why I
was like, what if the milange chili dog is what
gives Sonic the ability to run fast? Yes? Yes, uh yeah,
which I think was more of a thing in the
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cartoon and maybe the movie than the video game by far.
The cartoon was a lot of fun. You guys, it's
it's old. I don't know if it holds up, but
it was a lot of fun at the time. Yeah,
So that's kind of an example of the sort of
mashups will do. We did one, uh did we? Was
that just a test where we did Willy Wonka and
the Candy Man and that one turned out great. Well,
(45:45):
maybe we'll be able to revisit it, because while those
things were supposed to come out at least I think
Candyman was supposed to come out around this time and
I was hoping to get it out for Halloween. Um,
because of pandemic, everything's been pushed back. So the news
at the time was that, uh, as we all know,
and we'll we'll definitely talk about this more in depth
(46:06):
in the future. Jordan Peel is remaking the old horror
movie candy Man um to be a little bit more
poignant today's issues, although it was at the time as
well just really yeah, really a kind of a forward
thinking horror movie at the time. Yeah, so he's but
he's bringing it back around from all of the sequels
to its original form. And then uh, also at the time,
(46:29):
it had been announced that Netflix was going to do
a role doll series. Uh so, hence that mash up,
we might bring it back because neither of those things
have actually come out yet, so uh, I don't want
to want to spoil what we came up with for that. Um.
But this next part is new because when we were
(46:50):
doing the mashups as movies as site gags, we couldn't
ask you guys, what what you would have done in
the mash up. But if you just listened to Sonic
and Dune and we're like, huh, I think I could
do better, which which we do not dispute, Yeah, right us,
and tell us how you would mash us two up.
(47:12):
I mean we might even read it on the air,
as opposed to just reading it and going dang, why
are they so creative? Right? And also the same thing
is true for if there are either discussion topics within
the Gego sphere that you feel really merit a kind
of you know, conversation and maybe debate. Uh, it could
(47:32):
be anything within the Gego sphere, everything from you know,
the the adaptations. We've got a planned episode coming up
about the use of nostalgia as a jumping off point
that I have a lot of feelings about and a
lot of thoughts about. I think it will be a
multipart discussion because there's lots of facets to it as well.
That's true. And then there's also if you have suggestions
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for mashups those that's another great thing to get in
touch with us about. Like if there's two properties that
preferably properties that are not that at least on the
surface similar to one another. If it's two things that
are really close to each other, there might not be
a whole lot of material to work with, but we'll
we'll give it a shot. But all of those things
are the sort of things will be looking out for
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if you do have an idea that you would like
us to know about. One way to get in touch
with us right now, while we still establish our presence
online is on Twitter. On Twitter, we are Ellen c
Underscore podcast, and so you can send us a tweet
or a d M there and we'll make sure our
d M s are open for that, and that would
(48:36):
be one way to get in touch with us. We
also have an Instagram account, so you can message us
there as well. Yes, and we are also on Facebook,
which I checked pretty regularly, so you can message us
there as well. That one, that one is all up
to arial because I ditched it all the social media's
one thing or about at the large New Drunk Collider
(48:57):
podcast that we didn't talk about that I do want
to end with is that, you know, geeks are very
very passionate, and you can be opinionated about something and
still be kind to people who have different opinions in you.
So be nice. We're open to even even if you
want to send constructive criticism, We're open to that. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Our our opinion is that that we can love something,
we can critique that's something, but there's no need to
get mean about it. And that uh you know, there
if I get into a conversation with someone who genuinely
loves the Star Wars prequels, uh, I can be of
(49:38):
the right temperament to accept that they hold an opinion
that is very different from mine, but that does not
make that opinion less valid even though they're wrong. We're
going to talk about that in an upcoming episode, so
don't spoil it yet, Jonathan, Okay, fair, fair enough. I
don't think. I don't think I tipped my hand too
much about my future. Now you didn't, you didn't. But
(50:02):
before we get into territory where we're a two hour
episode again, I think we should sign off for this one.
So yes, we look forward to conversing with you about
all things geeky in the future. We will have uh
several episodes ready to go right at the beginning, so
chances are if you want to dive into more, you
got it just a click away, and every week we'll
(50:24):
be bringing you fresh new geekiness. So we look forward
to chatting with you again really soon. Yes, until next time.
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about them. I am Ariel casting, and with me, as
always is my super brilliant creative co host Jonathan Strickland. Guys,
I really wish you could be on this video call.
When we do this, Ariel really talks with her hands
a lot, and it's just very entertaining to me and
(00:50):
it never translates over to the podcast. Ariel, as always,
I have a question for you. Okay, your question is
and this will actually loop back into the episode. Believe
it or not. You're familiar with the Dungeons and the Dragons, correct,
(01:15):
I might be a little familiar with the Dungeons and
the Dragons. Yes, if you had to put yourself into
a class in the Dungeons and the Dragons, like any
class you want, It doesn't have to be one that
you think fits you right now. You could be any
class in the real world. Which class do you choose?
(01:37):
I would be a barred barion, a bard, so, a
barred barbarian. Yes, yes, wait wait wait are you do
you only play heavy metal? Do you like? Do you
like pose for Molly Hatchet album covers? Listen? We all know?
Uh well, actually our new listeners may not know. I
(01:57):
do dabble in the LARPing when it's not dimmick, and
I usually play heavy hitters barbarian type people. I just
like it. It's just it's fun to not have to
worry about learning too much, fun to whack people with
a giant foam stick. Yes, but then I also I
also play music in in you know, my real life,
(02:18):
and then some of my bandmates also play with me,
so then I end up playing music. And so Bard
Baryon is not an actual D and d uh class
for for anybody who's not familiar, but I'm really working
to make it one so you get multi class. Yeah,
what about you. I'm trying to remember the rules for
(02:38):
d n D and whether Bard is allowable as a
multi class character. Um well, I guess it depends on
the iteration of a right. Yeah. You also, dear listeners,
have to remember that when I started playing Ducheons and Dragons,
it was after the basic dn D set that had
been released, but it was when Advanced Dungeons and Dragons
(02:59):
was a sing before even the second edition, So I've
had a lot of different experiences with D n D
over the many generations. I would say that out of
all the different classes that have existed throughout the various
iterations of D and D, I would go with Swashbuckler,
which I recall from Advance Stages and Dragons second edition.
(03:21):
It was in the Fighters Manual where you got like
a supplemental manual to the game, and it had a
whole bunch of different subclasses of fighters and Swashbucklers, essentially
pirate or musketeer type character. But the other option I
would have gone with, if I go with just the
basic ones, is also barred. Not because I'm particularly musical,
(03:41):
but because I'm irritating and rarely helpful. I don't think
that about you at all. You're very helpful and I
enjoy being around. That's why you and I are in
a party together, and people you want to hang out
with me. So I'm glad we have that question settled.
And today we're going to be talking a lot about
movies and what has been going on throughout the pandemic
(04:06):
and how it's affected movies. Just as we talked about
television previously, now we're talking about film, and this is
also a moment for us to acknowledge that are our
wonderful producer TORII. She has a background in film, She
went to film school, so I'm sure this is one
of those things that she feels particularly passionate about as
(04:27):
we are looking at how the world of film is
changing as a result of the the health crisis. But
we're gonna start off by talking about specific movies and
what's been going on with them. Some of them have
have seen their their release dates shuffle around a bit,
and and specifically giggy movies that we're excited about. So
(04:50):
you know, we're not always going to talk about TV
and movies, but that's what we're doing today, all right.
So I think we should start with The Batman the Batman,
not just the Batmanman the Batman the Batman with Robert
Pattinson um because they went back to filming during during
the pandemic and then they immediately shut down because Robert
(05:11):
Pattinson had COVID. Yeah, this was one of those examples
we were talking about in that last episode about how
depending upon who gets affected and and and how often
they're around other people. Uh, a COVID case can shut
down a production for a couple of weeks. Now, in
this case, you're talking about the lead actor. So obviously
(05:31):
that's going to affect things. But if it if it
was like a day player, like a one line person,
they might just get replaced, right if if and if
they were able to determine, oh well, that person wasn't
around enough people for that to be a potential problem.
So it was originally going to come out on October
in October, and now currently they've pushed that back to
(05:57):
March of twenty two, and Dune, which was going to
come out a little earlier, is now moving into the
Batman's original time launch window. And June was supposed to
come out this year is supposed to be a Christmas present.
The spice must flow, but it must flow a little
(06:20):
later than when we intended. Yeah, that's that's a that's
a bummer. I mean, it's part of this is obviously
because of delays in production. Part of it is due
to just making the strategy of when your tent pole
films are going to launch, and and it's also a
lot of hedging your bets and wondering like, when are
(06:41):
you going to be able to make the biggest impact?
When will will theaters be open by then? We'll talk
a lot more about theaters later in this episode. Yeah,
and you know that's not the only one. Matrix is
also being pushed back. Matrix is being moved up. This
one's actually they fin that one earlier and so it's
(07:02):
been moved up to December one, but originally it was
supposed to come out in the spring of two. I'm
excited about Matrix four, although I never saw the third
Matrix movie. I so just my very personal opinion, I
(07:24):
there are only a few movies that once they get
to the third I'm like, yeah, this is still super awesome,
and Matrix is one of those that just didn't hit
that benchmark for me. Well, Matrix two is why I
didn't see Matrix three, Okay, Like I loved the first film.
I thought it was really interesting, really innovative. It was
(07:44):
the second DVD I ever bought, which I think is
I think a lot of people Matrix is. Yeah, the
first first DVD I ever bought was South Park, Bigger, longer,
and uncut, So I wouldn't I wouldn't admit to that,
but that's a fan pastic musical. But Matrix, for I
am still kind of excited about it because I want
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to see what the new vision is for that world.
I didn't like the way Matrix to unfolded. I felt
like a lot of the things I thought I understood
about the first film I was totally off base about,
and instead of being excited by that, I was discouraged,
which is why I never bothered to see the third one,
(08:26):
because I was just like, this feels like it took
a left turn and I really wanted to see what
was straight ahead. So I got I was like, I'm out, um,
but I do. I do wanna see how that goes.
And of course, I mean anytime you can build out
the mythology of a science fiction world, I think that
can be exciting. Yeah, if if you just want to
explore more of the Matrix world, have you watched the Animatrix?
(08:48):
I have not, and that was one of those that
I really wanted to check out because I kept hearing
that at least half of the entries in the Animatrix
were really good. In the other half, we're you know,
different people had different reactions to Yeah, I mean, I
would agree, but it also helps you kind of explore
that world more. You expect it to be a left
(09:09):
turn sort of or at least a bunny trail. But
back to Batman is not the The Batman sorry, is
not the only superhero movie being pushed back. Uh, the
Flash is also being pushed back. Shazam two is being
pushed back, and then Black Adam sadly not being pushed back.
(09:31):
It was taken off, which I just want to say, like,
I enjoy Shasam, but I was really watching it. Let's
be honest here to myself, true to myself for Black
Adam to come in, because that's Dwayne Johnson, Dwayne the
Rock Johnson Rock, who I was very excited to see
(10:02):
his Black Adam. So that's disappointing. I hope they bring
it back in a future time. I mean, obviously, as
as we were just alluding to, the pandemic has made
it much more complicated for these these companies that have
had extensive, like launch plans that are laid out to
be like a decade out. Disney has done this with
(10:24):
the Marvel films. Not to mention some other ones will
talk about in just a second. But uh, you know,
clearly something like this throws a wrench into all of that,
because again, productions are more complicated and you're not really
sure if you're even gonna have theaters to release two
by the end of it. Yeah. The weird one for
me though, because Black Adam is not the only movie
(10:44):
from that studio site that has been dropped all together.
They've also dropped the Minecraft movie. To me, I'm I'm
thinking that's when it's perfect to making Quarantine, because it's
all I would imagine. It would all be C g
I and voice actors. I haven't heard much about the
Minecraft movie, have you have not, but I was really
hoping it was going to be a live action film
starring Patton Oswald with a pick axe. I would yeah,
(11:08):
I would watch that. I would watch that very very hard.
I didn't even know there was a Minecraft movie in
production until I read that. So we read an article
in Variety that had all this information in it about
the different films that have been affected by the pandemic,
and then we got the thing that leads into where
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I asked the question at the beginning of the episode.
Something I'm also excited to see what people do with,
So yeah, this is one. I didn't realize that there
was a Dungeons and Dragons movie currently in development until
I was doing research on films that had been impacted
by the lockdown, and I saw that one of them
that was pushed back was Dungeons and Dragons, and I thought, really,
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they're going to try and make another one of those. Well,
I mean, they've been talking about it forever. So for me,
it's not that I didn't know that there was a
Dungeons and Dragons movie and develop them, it's that I
didn't know one had actually taken purchase. I mean we
even heard Joe Meganello. I think I said that right,
uh wanted to make a D and D movie. He's
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a big D and D fan. We know that Vin
Diesel is a big D and D fan, so it
was only a matter of time. It's just the past
ones have not been exception of the cartoon, have not
been the most fun to watch. One thing I think
is interesting is that a lot of the people who
you would associate with actually doing a D and D movie,
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as in these are people who are either associated with
with loving the game or loving like video games. Things
like like Henry cavill and stuff people like that. They're
all these huge beefy dudes, which is which is funny
to be Like, Like, I think of the gun people
I played dn D with. We none of us were
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huge beefy dudes. Um so no, but you might have
pretended that you were. But these guys are gonna have
to pretend that there. Like I would want a dn
D movie where half the film is taking place in
the real world and you see the real people who
are playing the characters. So I mean, but if you've
got a big beefy dude playing acter, you want to
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see the people playing the game playing the characters. I
see what you're saying. Didn't they do that in the
last DND movie that didn't go So I honestly don't know.
I stopped. It didn't have Richard O'Brien in it, so
I was out, all right, I couldn't do that fair enough.
So we don't know much about this D and D
movie other than the fact that it was supposed to
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release in one and is now pushed to May two.
Try saying that five times past, because it's not that hard.
But there are lots of speculations of people that they've
been pursuing to be in it. Will Smith, Josh Brolin,
Chris Pratt, Fan Diesel Vin Diesel, Yeah, Matthew mcconnaugh hey,
Jamie Foxx, Joel Ledgerton, Dave Battista, Jeremy Renner, Johnny Depp.
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A lot of them have worked in fantasy and sci
fi genre US, so it's not that they're unusual too,
they're unfamiliar to those genres. But Luper did make an
assumption or post a question, and I wonder what you
think about it, Jonathan. They said, are they looking at
all these people to pare them down to one leading man?
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Or are they looking at all of these people to
be leading men? Because each is going to play a
different character type, and a party is usually made up
of leading men, which I think would be fantastic. I'd
love to see each of them take their own style
of acting and preferred genre and put it into their
D and D party character. I mean, I imagine it's
going to be it's going to be an ensemble piece.
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If it's not an ensemble piece, then it's not really
Dungeons and Dragons, right, So I mean like it might
as well be any fantasy film. If you have it
where there's one principal lead and then a bunch of
supporting characters, you could you don't have to have the
D and D. You know, I p attached to it
at all, because really, when I think of ducheons and dragons,
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I think of that that party experience, and honestly, I
would like to see an all women cast, uh and
just bring all the actresses from Bridesmaids in and do
a D and D movie. Okay, an aerial too, an ariel.
I mean, I have no doubt it'll be on an
ensemble cast. It's just whether it's an ensemble of like
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a big name and a bunch of lesser known actors,
or an ensemble of all Yeah, I think it'll probably be. Actually,
they're probably gonna aim. I mean a lot of the
producers that are attached to this, or people who have
worked on movies like Guardians of the Galaxy, so you
look at that and you're like, Okay, well, you've worked
with some ensembles that have some some notable people in them.
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I mean, I think we could probably expect something along
the same lines. And obviously, anytime you're trying something like that,
the hope is that you can set things up for
another franchise, right, So another like how long are you
going to go to the well of Marvel, d C
and Star Wars. You're probably gonna want a couple of
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other things to dip into occasionally as well. And I
think Dudgeons and Dragons is one of those things. Yeah.
Another one of those things this Ghostbuster Ghostbusters Afterlife. So
this was supposed to come out, uh in you know,
early one at least, but it's had its own delays.
It recently wrapped shooting as in not like I think
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it was in November of this year that they finally wrapped. Obviously,
their whole production was delayed significantly through the pandemic. I
mean I remember seeing the teaser trailers for Ghostbusters Afterlife
like almost a year ago, and they hadn't even they
still had a year to go before they rapped shooting. Yeah,
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and this is a hard one because they do have
kid actors and and kid actors grow up and this one,
this one's supposed to come out June, and this one's
from Paramount. We're gonna talk a little bit more about
some energies that movie studios have when it comes to
releasing films in the pandemic. What Paramount has been essentially
doing is, rather than holding onto its movies, selling off
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those films to various streaming services. Yeah. Something else I
am sure I will enjoy when it eventually comes out
is the Wicked movie. I've never actually seen the stage play.
I've seen it now, you know, and I lived with
a roommate who adored it, So I've heard all of
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the music. I just haven't never defied gravity on multiple occasions,
defied gravity and and defied societal expectations for myself. I mean,
that's that's that's your go too. Yeah. So this was
this was originally supposed to come out um next December,
so December, but that obviously hasn't happened. I mean they,
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as far as I know, they haven't even begun production
on this. The director who was attached to the prod
check had to exit, Stephen Daldry, because he had scheduling
conflicts because the delays had pushed this so far back.
So as far as I know, it's still planned. Uh,
there's I haven't heard of a new director being attached
to it, largely because again it's hard to plan things
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when you're in the middle of a pandemic. But this
is a This is a bummer for people who who
like movie musicals. Yeah, yeah, you know, And I do
appreciate Daldry for stepping down. You know, it wasn't out
of malice. It was simply he couldn't turn it around
in the time they wanted. And I appreciate him saying,
you might find find somebody who can give you a
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better product for the time frame you He said that
it was an amicable parting. It was just, you know,
it's just business. Also just business. I'm kind of excited
because Jurassic to a park dominion, it feels like it's
taking all of the previous Jurassic parks and mashing it
all up together, which it is, uh, and I'm very
excited about it. Uh to see all of those actors altogether,
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the Jurassic World and the Jurassic Park. I'm curious to
see if once again we will have a plot that's
so stupid about making dinosaurs as weapons, as if that
would somehow be more effective than I don't know, weapons. Uh,
it's it's Jurassic Park dominion. They're all going to be
wearing pith helmets, pith helmets and top hats and monocles,
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the dinosaurs, uh and and playing parliament. I'm fine with that.
So yeah, this movie was an enormous effort. It took
a year and a half from pre production to rapping,
and that's with it being the first movie to come
back to production after Everything Shift. That was the very
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first film, major film, to go back into production after
the initial lockdown. According to the producers, they administered approximately
forty thousand COVID tests throughout the length of the production
and process once they came back online. Apparently, the the
COVID testing added somewhere around eight million dollars to the
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film's budget um, just just to make sure that they
were doing things in a way that wasn't going to
put anyone at risk. They also had hand washing stations
and temperature stations and doctors on set. They worked with
a private health company to make sure that their set
was as safe as they could possibly make it, which
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is fantastic. And then they all lived in the bubble,
which mean they didn't really get to see their family.
You know, sometimes when you're shooting a film, if you've
if you've got a period of time where you're not
working you can go visit your family for a little
bit if they're not nearby. These people couldn't do that.
They all had to be quarantined together. But in reading
the article from Deadline, it sounds like that made them
a lot closer, and so I'm really interested to see
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how that affects the actor's performances in this movie, because
you've got that extra level of vulnerability when you're living
with somebody day day out. For that, it made me
think of the stories about the filming process for What
Hot American Summer, because everyone actually stayed at that summer camp,
and so through the process of staying there, they all
got like ridiculous and silly, and it kind of carried
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over into the movie, which obviously is ridiculous and silly.
So I except for the week that they rented it
out to the bar Mitzian So I think. I think
it's like one of those sort of things where it
is kind of like you almost think of it as
a sleepaway camp kind of experience, not the movie Sleepaway Camp.
That's that's a slasher film. But you know, you don't
know what I'm saying. Well, when we come back, we're
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gonna have a little bit more discussion about what is
the future for film, not just as we go through
the rest of the pandemic and out the other side,
but but moving forward from there. And we've got a
lot to talk about with that. But let's take a
quick break, al right, So we're back and a couple
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of our news articles we actually moved into this conversation
topic because it's important to the future of movie theaters.
So Universal Pictures has shortened the amount of time that
a blockbuster movie at first round movie stays in the
theater before people can rent it online by it such
like that to to try to make up for these
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profits that are being missed, and uh, it hit theater
is pretty hard. It did the original. Generally, the accepted
approach is that a film is in theaters for like
three months before you can start to offer it up
on things like Blu ray or streaming. But Universal shortens
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that to seventeen days, so half a month essentially. M Yeah,
and then like very recent news, as in the week
that we're recording this, Warner Brothers announced that they're going
to be just releasing a whole year worth of their
movies to HBO Max directly without along with the movie
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theater without any without any extra charge for HBO Max.
This is to drive more people to subscribe to HBO Max.
And uh, the idea there is that films that will
go up in theaters will also be available that day
on HBO Max and they will be available for I
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think thirty one days, uh for free. Yeah. So that
that way, if you are, if you are an HBO
Max subscriber, then the seventeen movies that Warner has on
its slate for will all be available. And both of
these stories are making movie theater is very nervous. Understandably,
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they are not. They are fans of the idea of
getting rid of that exclusivity. That exclusivity of of only
being able to see a movie in a movie theater
is the lifeblood for for theaters, and they've been having
a real hard time in a lot of movie theaters
have been looking at shutting down. Uh. In fact, Cineworld,
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which owns Regal cinemas, shut down all five thirty six
of its theaters for at least until March of next
year because there's not enough movies coming out to keep
them going. The I think the nail in the coffin
was when the new James Bond film got pushed back.
They said, there's yeah, there's just not enough movies to
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bring audiences in for us to break even. They like,
even even if they have all full, Like a lot
of theaters are working at capacity right now, so even
if they have they sell out that entire capacity. If
there's only one movie, they aren't gonna be able to
pay their employees, Eric can be able to buy the popcorn,
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the concessions and everything. We've known for a long time
that the margins of running the theater business are really thin. Like,
theaters do not make very much money off of ticket sales.
They make their money elsewhere, like largely through concessions and
also renting out their space occasionally. And uh, and we're
starting obviously both of those take a huge hit, right.
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So if you if you're selling fewer tickets, fewer people
are going to be buying food. Um, and if you
are in the middle of a pandemic, you're not gonna
get a lot of people saying, oh, you know what
I want to do rent out a movie theater and
fill it with two other people. So it's it's a
really tough time. And there are a lot of articles
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out there asking about do movie theaters even have a future?
Are they going to be able to survive this? When
they were already struggling before the pandemic, and now not
only has the pandemic shut them down in the meantime,
but setting an expectation among consumers about what seeing a
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film means these days, I mean it is. It's really
interesting to me because so much of the recouping the
cost of making the movie comes from that initial box
office weekend, you know, uh, and if you're getting it
for free on streaming, I don't know how they're going
to recoup that. I don't have insight into that. But
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also as a consumer, when when you look at, for instance,
King Kong versus Godzilla or Dune or something big like that,
which are a couple of the movies coming to HBO Max,
I want to see those on the big screen. There's
so much work and so much detail put into the
special effects, into the imagery, into the landscaping, and so
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much soundscaping, so much artistry put into the entire package
that I you know, I have a pretty good media
set up my house, but it still does not compare
in any way to seeing it on the big screen,
especially if you go opening night and you've got all
the people around you, and I realized, we can't do
that in a pandemic right now. But you know, you've
got all the people around you, and you all gasp
at the same moments, and you all laugh and share
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at the same moments. There is nothing to replace that feeling. Um,
So Netflix watch parties do not even come close. I
I fully agree with you, Ariel. I think like I'm
a curmudgeon, I'm a grouchy dude, and I'm I'm the
grouchy dude who when I go to the theater, I
hate it when someone is talking. I hate seeing that
glow of someone's getting on their phone. You know, I'm
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the get off my lawn kind of guy. But I
love it when a room full of people are immersed
in the story and when something exciting happens there is
a reaction in the audience that is it's a it's
akin to the feeling you get at live theater right
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where people are having It's it's a relationship between what
is going on in front of you and the audience. Now,
in a film, it's weird because of course, the film
can't react to what the way the audience is reacting.
But it is one of those things that's really special.
That communal feeling is something like some of my favorite
memories that involved movies aren't about the film, but rather
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the experience of seeing the film in a full theater. Um.
I think of Star Trek for the Voyage Home, which
was the goofy Whales movie. You know, they go back
into the eighties and they rescue some whales in that
movie and Star Trek I saw that when it first
came out in a room full of Star Trek geeks
and the reactions because that that movie was so lighthearted
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and funny compared to the other Star Trek movies, it
was such a huge surprise and people were so into
it that it was it elevated the movie for me.
So it is a really scary thing to think that
that's an experience we may not be able to have
for quite some time because even with things like rollouts
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for vaccines, even with continued pressure to make sure that
people are are behaving responsibly, you know, there's just no
way to I can't see a way for movie theaters
to exist the way they used to. Moving forward, I
think they're going to have to change, which, in turn,
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as you were pointing out, means the whole film industry
has to change. Because if you can't do these ridiculously
enormous budget films and expect to recoup those costs, that's
gonna have to change the way movies are made. You're
gonna see a lot fewer of those big tent pole
blockbusters because there's just no way to make your money back.
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I mean. But on the other hand, if you think
about it, For instance, quite a few of our more
independent movie theaters, in a way to in Atlanta, in
a way to make ends meet, have been converting to
drive ins, so they'll have a few drive in movies
each weekend, and then they have some some new movies
and a lot of older movies that people really like
and like to rewatch playing in their theaters. They can
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run out the theaters. You can have a private party
still at a minimized capacity for an entire theater. So
if you're entired, if you're the NBA team living in
a bubble, you can have a theater together and watch
a movie. But you might already have a movie theater
in your bubble. I don't know. It's the NBA. I
don't follow it. Uh, but you know a lot of
them have turned to drive in movie theaters. So it's
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the way that you can pay. You can be in
your car. You're kind of still isolated, but you can
watch a movie. And drive ins were a thing of
the past, and they're still around, only yeah, not nearly
as many as there used to be. We do have
a a fairly big one here in Atlanta called Starlight Um.
That is, you know, they've often rented that space out
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for all sorts of stuff like like like like farmers
markets and things and flea markets. But uh, you know
a lot of those are even theaters that used to
exist are have long since been bulldozed, but part of
the pandemic, some of them are coming back. But I
guess my point is, my hope is that that that community, once,
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once people are once we do have a vaccine, and
once once we're used to the new normal and hopefully
things are better, that people will still want that camaraderie
and movie theaters will make a comeback. I feel like
if we get to a point whereas the society we
can be around each other safely again, and you know,
I know that will take some time. I know a
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few people who are worried about first run vaccines and
things like that. So even once we have one, it
will take a while for it to get out to
everybody and do its job, hopefully quicker than we're expecting.
But but we don't know. But I have like my
hope is that this time and isolation, this time apart
in this time watching movies on demand will make people
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desire to be together in these situations more um in
the future, and so I'm hoping it has to come back.
I like going to the movie theater. I also am
a curmuagtion about when people talk around on their cell phone.
Uh I guess I hit that when I turned thirty.
But I wouldn't mind if we had more theaters that
had There's a lot I don't like about the Alamo Drafthouse.
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I will not get into all of that, this is
not the time and place, but I will say I
love their policy. They have a zero tolerance policy for
people who are talking or texting or anything like that
in a movie, and they will tell you to leave
if you're doing it, and you know they want they
want to preserve that movie going experience, and that's the
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sort of thing I like to see because it really
does change your perception of the film and change your
experience of watching it. And yes, it's nice to be
able to see these stories at home, at your own
convenience and be able to pause the film whenever you want,
so you can go and you know, make a snack
or go to the bathroom or whatever, and you're not
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missing anything. You don't have to come back and say,
what's happened? Why is she talking to him? Now? You
don't have to do any of those things. Um. But
it's you lose so much, I mean just in the scale,
the scope, especially for those those special effects heavy films. Um.
And you lose that that feeling of sitting in a
room with people, most of whom you don't know, and
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you're all experiencing the same thing and all having you know,
these very human reactions. We we talked about on Business
on the Brink how the millennial generation is much more
focused on experience and things, yeah than things, And I
feel like this is one that is an experience, you know.
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So I know that movie theaters have been declining for
a while, but I I really hope we find a
way to pivot back and make it work because and
there are a lot of other things we didn't really
touch on here. We're kind of out of time, but
there's a there's a very complicated relationship between movie studios
and cable companies because a lot of those have kind
of merged together. You know, we mentioned Universal, they're part
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of NBC, which means if they wanted to, they could
use Peacock, the streaming service for NBC, in a way
very similar to the way Warner is using HBO Max. Right,
we could start seeing more fragmentation like that, where we're
going to see more and more subscription based services taking
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the place of things like the theatrical experience. That could
be a future. It's not one I particularly want to see.
But uh, this this is complicated stuff because those companies
have all kind of merged into these mega communications and
entertainment companies. And and it's funny to me because this
is the same sort of thing that the US government
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previously attempted to prevent, Like there were rules in place
where movie studios would not be allowed to own chains
of theaters because it was anti competitive. But now we're
seeing that exact same thing play out. Is just not
movie theaters, it's in streaming services because it's cable companies
and and there was no one to step in the
way of any of that. Yeah. Yeah, But unfortunately we're
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out of time, so we can't dive further into that today.
Maybe in the future. Okay, we've gotta we gotta mash
up ahead of us. That's gonna be a lot of
fun to chat about. The first I think we're gonna
take a quick break and drown our sorrows, perhaps in
some fruit punch and we're back Listen. We just had
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a Sonic the Hedgehog movie, and we're about to have
a June movie. Look, I know they're both really old properties.
We talked about Sonic on Business in the Brink and Dune.
I don't remember when I first learned about it, because
it was around. It's been around forever, not forever, but
for a while. Um, but they're they're new again. So
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I wanted okay, I wanted to pick things that were
relevant currently. Okay, so, uh, we would typically go do
a rundown on what these are. So Dune being a
famous science fiction uh epic series at this point, Frank
Herbert creating it, and it's a a a series that
begins with a character who inherits his father's legacy and
(36:36):
his father himself has been essentially punished by being sent
to lord over a desert planet called Aracus. But it's
it's complicated politics and mythology. It's got this mixture of
mysticism and science fiction, mobile Sarlax essentially yeah, yeah, sand
(36:57):
words being the big famous image that you see, and
it's influenced tons of stuff. It's been adapted into films
in mini series before. The film often gets a lot
of criticism. The original movie gets a lot of criticism,
partly because a lot of the stuff that happens in
the book has characters who are are thinking things through.
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So how do you portray that when it's a movie,
because you can't, Like you could try and create dialogue,
but that gets very artificial very quickly. So so there
was a lot of voiceovers. There's a lot of voiceovers also.
You know, as as an actor, I'm often told it's
it's what you think between the lines that sells it.
But you get tired of watching that much thinking yeah, yeah,
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you'd have characters essentially stop what they're doing for like
forty five seconds, so that this monologue could be performed
via voiceover while they were staring out at nothing. Do
you do you like Dune? I do I do like Dune? Um?
You know it's I'm not a I'm not a die
hard Dune fan. But that's because when I was growing up,
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I I lean more towards fantasy than science fiction. The
two were always grouped together in bookstores. But I was
more of a fantasy guy. So again, token, I mean,
I've got the token tattoo, etcetera, etcetera. But I have
an appreciation for done, and there is a lot of
fantasy in Dune as well. Like I think of it
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as science fiction, but if you actually read through it,
there are a lot of fantastical elements, things, things that
things that almost range towards magical. Um with the way
those those that world plays out. Um Or are you
are you a big fan of Dune? I am so.
(38:48):
I watched I watched the original movie. That was my
intro to it. I will just say way back when. Um,
but I like it. I do like this story. I'm
very excited about the new movie. It looks like it
holds pretty true to the book, which is something we
have talked about in past podcasts by saying that five
times fast or just once for me? Yeah, yeah, for
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me obviously too. Or I'm sure we'll talk about it
again in the future as well, because it's it's something
that constantly comes up in the geek sphere, right right.
How do you how do you adapt things that were
in one medium for another, and how do you satisfy
not just the fans of the original, but how do
you bring new fans in who are unfamiliar with the
(39:31):
stuff This is really We will do episodes where we
dive into that because that is a big, heavy, like
complicated topic. Yeah, so, so I am and I don't mind.
I don't mind when movies veer from the books because
sometimes they need to. But as you said, like with
the thinking, um, I am a fan of Dune. I
am more of a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog movie,
(39:54):
Holy coll the game. The game, I haven't full disclos sure,
I haven't seen the movie. It actually got better reviews
than I expected it to. The bim Bam boys had
some interesting funny things to say about it. I think
they said it on The Besties, though I don't think
it was I would saying I don't I don't recall
I'm not one caught up on on their series, but
(40:16):
I don't recall them talking about it. I think it
was the best ties um just Justin and Griffin. But yeah, yeah,
I agree, I saw I also have not seen it
full disclosure, but I've seen reviews about that. But we
were really basing it more on Sonic the Hedgehog, the
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character in general, and yeah, it's a game series, it's
been around for many years out of Sega, and of
course he Sonic was a direct response to to Mario
kind of and give him a literal run for his money. Yeah,
they need they needed, they needed to have a a
video game iconic character to help the Sega brand, and
(41:00):
Sonic ended up being it a blue Hedgehog who runs
really fast and has a perpetual arch nemesis in the
form of Dr Eggman, who turns poor little cute little
animals into robots. Yeah. Yeah, it's actually when you it's
actually when you really look at at the what's going
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on in Sonic that you realize, like, wow, this is
like some Cronenberg level horror stuff going on here. Don't
say that I don't like horror, but the thing I
like about Sonic is because you spin and then you
just spin as a as as the character, and it
is certainly a difficult game, especially when you get to
the higher levels. But I I am horrible at jumping
(41:45):
from platform into platform like you do with Mario, and
I like Mario, but you can skip a whole bunch
of that if you're good at Sonic. You just spin
right over it and then you're at the end of
the level. So yeah, I am also not particularly strong
at plat formers. So while I think some people might
view this, at least the early Sonic games as being
a platform er with training wheels, I don't mind having
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training wheels if it means I get to learn how
to play. Uh So, um, I have a pitch for
Sonic Hedgehog Meats done. You're ready? I actually wrote this
one down. Here we go. So Sonic atreyad S is
a young Hedgehog noble who gets plopped down on the
planet Aracus while he's enjoying a spicy chili dog boosted
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by a bit of milange in the Chili spice. An
armed force under the command of the evil baron Dr
Vladimir robot Nick Sonics family is whited out, but Sonic
escapes into the desert wasteland when he discovers that the
milange has given him the ability, nay, the compulsion to
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run fast. Gotta go fast, he says a lot, and
he runs out from the dangers of a military takeover
into the dangers a desert filled with sandworms, and there
he discovers a brave indigenous force and a whole bunch
of sand worms and a love of gold rings. For
some reason, I still need to work that part out,
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the gold rings I'm having I'm having trouble working the
gold rings in Okay, okay, so that um, that brings
me to my pitch, which flat out not as good
as yours way to mesh all those characters together. But okay,
so polish radius, who's the main character of Dude is
with the Benny Jester and he has to stick his
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hand and essentially what I remember as being the same
as the boo box from Hook Yes, the pain box
or you don't know what's in it, And he pulls
out his hand and on each finger is a gold ring,
and all of a sudden there is a rumble under
the ground as these five gold rings called this horrible
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creature to him, and you just see the sand he's
he's staring out into the desert as the sand is
flying everywhere, and mountains crumble on either side of this
huge mound that is spinning towards him, and out pops
this giant rays or toothed, blue, giant hedgehog whose nose
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could swallow you. Not his mouth, no, his nose, because
he is that big. I'm sorry, I'm sad, I'm yelling
into the microphone. Sorry, everybody. And then he asked for
a chili dog. So so in your version of Dune
meats Sonic the hedgehog, Sonic is a sandworm. He is,
and it's very anti quobatic. That's but it's really exciting.
Like I, I legit had not thought of that as
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a possibility, you know. That's that's honestly what made me
want to do. I was like, Sonic was recent Une
side could be a sandworm. I like that. You made
the chili dog the spice. I may have I might
have stole that a little bit from you, but we didn't.
We didn't even mention that the in Dune there's this
um the substance on Aracus in particular, called spice, which
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can be refined into a drug called milange, and that
has different different effects on people. But that's why I
was like, what if the milange chili dog is what
gives Sonic the ability to run fast? Yes? Yes, uh yeah,
which I think was more of a thing in the
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cartoon and maybe the movie than the video game by far.
The cartoon was a lot of fun. You guys, it's
it's old. I don't know if it holds up, but
it was a lot of fun at the time. Yeah,
So that's kind of an example of the sort of
mashups will do. We did one, uh did we? Was
that just a test where we did Willy Wonka and
the Candy Man and that one turned out great. Well,
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maybe we'll be able to revisit it, because while those
things were supposed to come out at least I think
Candyman was supposed to come out around this time and
I was hoping to get it out for Halloween. Um,
because of pandemic, everything's been pushed back. So the news
at the time was that, uh, as we all know,
and we'll we'll definitely talk about this more in depth
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in the future. Jordan Peel is remaking the old horror
movie candy Man um to be a little bit more
poignant today's issues, although it was at the time as
well just really yeah, really a kind of a forward
thinking horror movie at the time. Yeah, so he's but
he's bringing it back around from all of the sequels
to its original form. And then uh, also at the time,
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it had been announced that Netflix was going to do
a role doll series. Uh so, hence that mash up,
we might bring it back because neither of those things
have actually come out yet, so uh, I don't want
to want to spoil what we came up with for that. Um.
But this next part is new because when we were
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doing the mashups as movies as site gags, we couldn't
ask you guys, what what you would have done in
the mash up. But if you just listened to Sonic
and Dune and we're like, huh, I think I could
do better, which which we do not dispute, Yeah, right us,
and tell us how you would mash us two up.
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I mean we might even read it on the air,
as opposed to just reading it and going dang, why
are they so creative? Right? And also the same thing
is true for if there are either discussion topics within
the Gego sphere that you feel really merit a kind
of you know, conversation and maybe debate. Uh, it could
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be anything within the Gego sphere, everything from you know,
the the adaptations. We've got a planned episode coming up
about the use of nostalgia as a jumping off point
that I have a lot of feelings about and a
lot of thoughts about. I think it will be a
multipart discussion because there's lots of facets to it as well.
That's true. And then there's also if you have suggestions
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for mashups those that's another great thing to get in
touch with us about. Like if there's two properties that
preferably properties that are not that at least on the
surface similar to one another. If it's two things that
are really close to each other, there might not be
a whole lot of material to work with, but we'll
we'll give it a shot. But all of those things
are the sort of things will be looking out for
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if you do have an idea that you would like
us to know about. One way to get in touch
with us right now, while we still establish our presence
online is on Twitter. On Twitter, we are Ellen c
Underscore podcast, and so you can send us a tweet
or a d M there and we'll make sure our
d M s are open for that, and that would
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be one way to get in touch with us. We
also have an Instagram account, so you can message us
there as well. Yes, and we are also on Facebook,
which I checked pretty regularly, so you can message us
there as well. That one, that one is all up
to arial because I ditched it all the social media's
one thing or about at the large New Drunk Collider
(48:57):
podcast that we didn't talk about that I do want
to end with is that, you know, geeks are very
very passionate, and you can be opinionated about something and
still be kind to people who have different opinions in you.
So be nice. We're open to even even if you
want to send constructive criticism, We're open to that. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Our our opinion is that that we can love something,
we can critique that's something, but there's no need to
get mean about it. And that uh you know, there
if I get into a conversation with someone who genuinely
loves the Star Wars prequels, uh, I can be of
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the right temperament to accept that they hold an opinion
that is very different from mine, but that does not
make that opinion less valid even though they're wrong. We're
going to talk about that in an upcoming episode, so
don't spoil it yet, Jonathan, Okay, fair, fair enough. I
don't think. I don't think I tipped my hand too
much about my future. Now you didn't, you didn't. But
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before we get into territory where we're a two hour
episode again, I think we should sign off for this one.
So yes, we look forward to conversing with you about
all things geeky in the future. We will have uh
several episodes ready to go right at the beginning, so
chances are if you want to dive into more, you
got it just a click away, and every week we'll
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be bringing you fresh new geekiness. So we look forward
to chatting with you again really soon. Yes, until next time.
I have been har real casting and I am let
me check my notes, Jonathan Strickling. The Large New Drun
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