June 10, 2021 • 49 mins
We get to know more about our beloved host Ariel. Plus, we talk about musicals and musical episodes of non-musical shows. Then we mash up Cats with Game of Thrones and find out how many of those nine lives get spent.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast is a production of I
Heart Radio. Hi everybody, Welcome to The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us and how super excited we are
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about it. I'm Ariel Casting and with me as always,
who's comedic genius and good friend Jonathan Strickland. Hey, Ariel, Yes, Jonathan,
I got a question for you, all right, Ariel. Your
question and this this does tie into our topics of
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discussion today, is that you have a chance to have
sort of a gender flipped experience playing a character from
a musical that typically we go to a male actor.
What's a song from a show that's typically sung by
a male actor that you would love the chance to
give your own take on. Okay, well, I'm very fickle
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about musicals and so I'll change what musical I want
to sing from day to day. But there is a
a go to song that is usually sung by a
guy that I really love singing and would love to sing,
and that is Lost in the Wilderness from Children of Eden.
It's usually sung by Cain and Abel and it's it's
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very heartfelt and there's like but it's nice and a
tenner range, so I tend to be contralto tenor and
so I've always liked singing guy parts anyhow. But that
that's just off the top of my head, Like I said,
that could change any day. There's a song I want
to sing it that I hear you. Anyone who has
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gone to karaoke with me knows that if they're is
a song I wanted to sing it? What gender bent
song would you like to sing? So there are tons
of so I I have been known to sing at
karaoke songs that were meant for actresses, for example, Popular
from Wicked. It's one of my favorites. I love doing
that one. But as for the song that would really
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love to sing, um that I would never get away
with It would be Stupid with Love from Mean Girls
because it's just a fun, little upbeat, silly song. It
is not age appropriate for me. It's not gender appropriate
for me because it's sung by a character who's supposed
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to be a high school student, a young female high
school student, so it's about as far away from me
as you can get. But it is a genuinely fun
song to sing. Uh, there's also another one called light
I love play Rehearsal, which is from b Moore Chill
that one I would also kill to sing because I
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love that song too. But that's enough about me. We're
now going to segue into a segment I like to
call what's that Ariel about? Anyway? Huh? I don't know
what is that Ariel about. We're gonna find out, and
I'm gonna find out by asking the foremost expert on
what Ariel is all about, and that is Ariel. Hey, Ariel,
We're gonna get to know you, Okay. So we're gonna
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start off with the the simplest of questions, but one
that you have received numerous times because I've been there
when it's happened, which is, where did your name come from?
Did your mom name you after the Little Mermaid? So no,
my mom did not name me after the Little Mermaid.
I was when I came out and h The fun
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thing is, though, depending on the day and when you
ask her, she did name me after Hi mom. She
did name me after a cartoon character. So my mom
and dad were watching Thunder the Barbarian, as the story
sometimes goes, and in Thunder are which is kind of
like he Man he manadjacent. There's a sorceress named Ariel,
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and he goes Ariel Let's ride. And they liked that
name and so they used it. But they also will
sometimes say it was after the sprite in the Tempest
from Shakespeare. Uh. And they like it anyhow because in
Hebrew it means lyness of God, and so there are
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lots of nice reasons to have that name. But I
cling to the one that I heard, the one that's
stick with me the most, which is I was named
after a character from Thunder of the Barbarian. Being named
after a Shakespearean character is no no bad shakes either.
So to speak, the Tempest is a true masterpiece. Some
argue that it was the one work of Shakespeare that
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was wholly original, not something that he lifted from a
previous work and then adapted. So I mean, and I
have played Ariel in the Tempest, and I have been
in a play of the Little Mermaid, although I was
her big sister, and it wasn't the Disney version nice. Well,
then let us move on with learning more about what
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Ariel was like as a child. Arguably I knew Ariel
when she was a child, but that was when she
was a teenager, So it doesn't really, it's not the
same thing. Eight teen, maybe nineteen? Were you eight? So
I met you in two thousand? How old were you then? Uh? Eighteen? Okay,
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so yeah, I started red Fest at eighteen. But we
didn't super know each other then. No, no, but I
mean you you had seen me perform in Shakespeare parodies
in fact, so she knew me before I knew her.
Actually she didn't know me. She knew my character before
I knew who she was. You are a great performer,
and your character, more so than my friends who worked
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at the Renaissance Festival, was part of the thing that
made me go, hey, I want to work there. You're
character and then a kissing wen sh at a promotional
event both made me go I want to do that.
And we'll get to more of Georgia Renaissance Festival in
a second, but first I want to hear about some
of the geeky things that you loved when you were
growing up. What were some of the things that you
kind of gravitated toward a star trek? I remember what, Yeah,
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I remember watching the cartoon as a small child, and
I was raised on science fiction, fantasy, I remember reading
a Connected Yankee and King Arthur's Court in the Hobbit
and Lord of the Rings with my parents. A lot
of uh asthmov in Highland children Highland stuff, not adult
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Highland stuff, so like the Rolling Stones and not the
not the wacky psycho sexual stuff that came in later
Highland stuff. Now. But you know, my mom was a geek,
my dad was a geek, and so it was inevitable
that I would be. You know, it was raised on
science fiction, fantasy, Star Trek, Star Wars, all of it
phantom to old booth is. I would lump in their
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never ending story as well. It's nice, Well my favorite things.
Well then let's let's uh, let's talk a little bit
about the Renaissance Festival. Now. I have seen most of
the characters you've played, not all of them, actually, because
there were a couple that you played when I was
sort of inactive in the festival scene and I wasn't
even going as a patron. But can you talk about
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maybe a couple of your characters and some of your
favorites and what they were like? Sure? So, like I said, uh,
meeting one of the kissing wenches was what made me
want to do the Renaissance Festival. So I auditioned for
with a Shakespeare piece and auditioned to be a kissing
wench in particular, and I got the call that I
was cast, and they wanted me to be the old maid. Yes,
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about as far away from kissing wench as possible, although
in her heart she wants to be a kissing winch,
and her heart she wanted to be a kissing wench.
It was. It was a little bit soul crushing. Now
it was fine. It was. It was a great experience
and it really stretched me. I was lies alone, the
village old maid. But we had another Liza at fair
who was lies a lot. And my friend, who encouraged
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me to audition at the time, was playing the stocksman
whips a lot, and so I became lies alone a
lot uh, the old maid. Uh. Since that time I
have gone all over the place. I was a fashion
consultant Voguelo mode, which I think is my most returned
to character, who was all about the color pink. I
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was also the black widow Lady Marianne killing him, wife
of the late Earl of killing him before that, wife
of the late Duke of Softly and before that wife
of the late Viscount of with his words, So it
was actually Lady Marian killing him softly with his words,
widow of sixty eight looking for a number of husband,
husband number sixty nine. I was also Ruby two Lips
at Kissing Wench. My band played there, and so I
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played Beatrice flats and huns and Bencinianza tall and small
and sfence and Swanson, which yes, was a nod to
the producers. Everybody could call me be flat because I
played clarinet, which is a B flat instrument. All over
the place. I was all over the place. I think
those were the ones that staid with me most. I
was also in scenario one Yere, which is the big
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plot that happens. Yes, there's a plot at the Renaissance Festival,
depending on which one you go to. I did stage
combat you name it, I did it, yeah, and uh,
and I mostly knew you as Vogue. That was the
character that we we mostly overlapped with, and typically the
character I was playing at that point, who was the
Lord Admiral was uh kind of in a weird like
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hot and cold relationship with Vogue, where one of us
would seem to be very friendly towards the other and
the other one would just be the most like cold
and distant person possible and then it would change. But
it was never, never, never the same way, Like we
never had two people who were really into each other.
It was always a one way a direction for the
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for the infections, and the other person was either oblivious
or outwardly spurning them. Um. Oh, that's what keeps it
fun though, Yeah, that was what made it really fun,
is that it added it created comedy for the audience,
which is the whole reason for it. And you mentioned
your band. First of all, what's the name of your band?
It depends on what day you're asking. Right now, we're
calling ourselves either the Tenpenny Travelers or the Fetching Muggins. Nice.
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I was about to say, like, you mean, you're not
the Tenpenny Travelers anymore. That's we are. So we're the
Tenpenny Travelers. That's what we perform at various festivals as
in a Pirate Palooza. We've recently started playing some bluegrass
music for a larp that we play, and so at
that lark where the Fetching Muggins. Just because we're all
different characters and not our real life songs. But yeah,
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I'm in a pirate Renaissance folksy band called the Tenpenny Travelers.
There's actually an album there is. We keep meaning to
make a second one, but that takes so much work.
We actually started off playing I met them at a
lark and they were like a woodwind group and playing
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folk music and folk dances uh at events and weddings
and things like that. So we were a wedding band
for a while too. That was fun and exciting. Yeah,
and they play a lot of a lot of the
songs that you would hear at places like the Renaissance Festival.
That there's songs that are very they're very folk song oriented,
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but um they're very recent period because that's what everyone
plays at the Renaissance Festival. I think I've been to
maybe two Renaissance festivals where they had people playing period
appropriate music, And the problem with that is that audiences
don't expect period appropriate music they want to hear. They
want to hear things like the Irish folk tunes that
they associate with the Renaissance but in fact are much
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more recent than that. Yeah, the period music is much
better for like background as opposed to sitting and watching
a show or most audiences. Well, then, how about since
you mentioned larpin, how did you get into that? What
was what was your experience getting into larpin? And can
you tell us a little bit about some of your
characters that you play in the various games. Oh golly, yes, so. Uh.
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Like I said, I was raised a geek, and early
in my life I decided I wanted to be a
theater geek more than anything, and I joined in outdoor
Shakespeare troop and one of the actors in one of
the shows with me said, Hey, I do this LARPing thing.
You should check it out. Uh. And the larpe that
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I wanted to go to at the time was eighteen
years and older. Because you're all out role playing in
the woods and hitting each other with plumbing supplies wrapped
in foams. You want to you want it to be adults.
You don't want to beat up some poor child larpin.
The LARPing scene has changed drastically over the years, at
least the LARPs I play in. So we actually do
have some kids who are allowed to play with parents
supervision on a case by case basis. Uh. But I
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was seventeen at the time, And when I turned eighteen,
I went to a LARP convention and I tried a
couple of characters. Uh, And I started off with kind
of rogue e fantasy characters, so I played like a
jewel Elf and a fire Elf and it was Elfie,
and I wanted to be all these like pretty little characters.
And then as time went on, I decided I wanted
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to be a bruiser. So it's it's a lot easier
to play a game when you just got to worry
about oh thing to hit, uh, and less about well,
here's all this intrigue happening, and here's all these details.
As I've become busier as an adult, it's also easier
for me to play and get invested in a game
if I don't have to remember a ton of details
about all of these fake politicians and intrigues and things
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like that. So uh, I think my favorite characters are
the last two I played. One was a Barbarian from
a culture that was very closely based off of Finnish culture,
which uh, my great grandparents on my mother's side, one
set of them are from Finland, So I was all
about that so I could hit things and pretend to
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be from Finland. And then the other one that I
currently play is at a western larp with um a
lot of nerve guns and I play a monster hunter.
So I'm basically playing Dean Winchester from Natural. Yeah. In fact,
I play winnifridg Chesterfield or winchester Field. Uh. Nice, Yeah,
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You're you're naming convention meets with my approval. I'm I'm
glad it does. I like to be punny, so do I.
I mean, my character at Rosistance Vessel is Edmund Vaine Glory,
and I really I really lived up to that name
as much as I could, whereas the name of the
French villain I played was Robert Camembert, the Marquis de
Roque four, which was about as cheesy as it gets.
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Uh So, to wrap this section up, I have one
more question I want to ask you, and it's one
of those that I think it's kind of fun to
chat with with various geeks, which is, what is something
in the geek sphere that you know you should have
already seen or experienced, but you just haven't gotten around
to it yet. So the one that keeps coming one
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is Nightmare before Christmas, which we talked about in Our
Christmas our first Christmas episode. The other one I think
would be The Shining. I've never watched The Shining. I've
read very little Stephen King. Unlike Jonathan, I'm not the
hugest of horror buffs. I watched my first horror movie
in fifth grade. I asked my parents, I said, can
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I please see this? And they said, well, because you
asked you can, we don't think it's a good idea.
And boy were they right, because Freddy Krueger haunted my
dreams for so long. It was Freddy Krueger and it
was candy Man. Oh yeah, which at the time I
got through by by thinking the heroin could not have
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lost that much blood. This is ridiculous, Just trying to
take myself out of it, to look at it from
a from an outside angle, but Shining. As I get older,
you know, I'm able to divest myself from some the
scarier aspects of suspensibul horror movies. I'm still not a
big gore fan. I don't I don't like too much
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slasher torture stuff. Sure, yeah, but the Shining, while you know,
it does get gross in some areas, it's such a classic.
I feel like I'm missing out by not reading it
watching it. There's a well, I mean, yeah, and it's
two different experiences, right, because the book is very different
from the movie, In fact, so much so that Stephen
King was famously upset at Stanley Kubrick for the changes
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that Kubrick made to the story. Though I would argue
that Kubrick's changes for the most part work well with
one one exception one thing that is a problem I
think early on in the movie, but that's largely due
to casting and not necessarily the film itself. The Shining
is a truly pivotal important pop culture thing. I mean,
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there's so many references to the Shining in pop culture,
uh that I think by the time you finally do
sit down to watch it, you're gonna have the feeling
of I've seen of this movie already, just through the
cultural touchstones, you know, like Red Lum and stuff like
and here's Johnny and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
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and I know it transcends geek culture, but most of
the people who I know who are Stephen King fans
are geeks, and so for me it just fits right in. Yeah. No,
I think I think horror geek fits in with other
types of geeks. I mean, most of the conventions we
go to, horror ends up playing, you know, a pretty
big role in the various panels and discussions. It's usually
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I would argue that it's normally a little a tear
below science fics and in fantasy and most like in
most mainstream conventions. But there are also you know, horror
centric conventions out there too, and and horror so often
intersects with fantasy or science. Well, yeah, I agree. I
think the shining is something you need to experience, but
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it needs to be experienced in your own time. No
one should be rushed, and there's no there's no time
limit on when you can experience something for the first time. So,
just as a gentle reminder to our dear listeners out there,
if you hear that somebody hasn't had a specific experience
that you think they would really dig, then the best
reaction is probably not to say, why haven't you done
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that yet? It should be I am so excited that
you get a chance to see this or experience this.
That's that's that's a better way to go about it,
because it doesn't put someone on the defensive and it
lets you share in their excitement to experience something for
the first time. So that's me on my soapbox. I
gotta get down off the soapbox because we're gonna need
to take a quick break. And when we come back, Yep,
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we're gonna go and talk about some musicals. Yeah, alright,
so we're back, and like Jonathan said, we're going to
talk about some musicals, but specifically television and movie musicals
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that are not musicals by nature for the most So
we're talking about shows and stuff that have occasionally dipped
their toe into the musical, you know, pool, But this
would leave out stuff like Glee. Glee doesn't count really
because Glee was structured to be kind of sort of
a musical. Like it also really helps us kind of
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get our minds around what we think of as a musical. Actually,
I think that's a good place to start. Aerial Uh
for you, what what what makes something a musical for
you as opposed to something that has music and maybe
even singing in it for me? And I think you
and I have discussed this, so we haven't necessarily discussed
it with our audience. A musical is a story where
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the plot is furthered by singing. And I think you
and I have agreed in the past that a good
musical is when the music comes in when the characters
emotions are so strong that they have no other way
to express themselves. So you know, there are jukebox musicals
and if you can where you take pre pre made music,
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music that was not made with the intent of it
being in a musical, for instance Jersey Boys, and you
plug it in to fit certain situations and you can
use that music to further a plot. And some jukebox
music musicals are fun. Mamma Mia is a lot of fun.
But to me, a really good musical is one where
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you're driving the plot and you're drive, you're learning things
through this music that just bubbles out at heights of emotion. Yeah,
I agree with that. I think that a real musical
is one where the songs either further the plot or
they tell you something important about the character. One of
the at least one of those two things should happen,
maybe both. If you're really good, you get both done
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in one song. Occasionally you get songs that fall into
general categories, like there's the I Want song, which is
where you learn whatever. Either it's the protagonist or it
might be the antagonist, but you learn what it is
that they desperately want and what is going to drive
their their motivations and their actions moving forward. Uh, you
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know you've got And then there are a lot of
songs in musicals, like theater musicals, they have a specific
purpose where like, there's a longstanding joke that the first
song after intermission is one that has no real impact
to the story of the play because you're literally just
filling up time where people are coming act to their seats.
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So like that's that's a that's a gag, but it's true.
It is true, Yeah, because a lot of people do
not return to their seats when they're supposed to. The
women's restroomline is so long that the lights flash and
you're like, you're like, listen, I cannot sit through another
hour of Jean Valjean singing in his high pitched voice
if I don't go to the loo. So so I
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agree with you, Ariel. I think that, you know, a
really good musical puts those thoughts at the heart of
the story, and jukebox musicals can do that. It's just
harder because in that case, you've you're you're kind of
shaping the story around the songs that you have, as
opposed to crafting songs that help you tell the story
you want to tell. Yeah. I mean, well that is
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a great landmark of a really good songwriter or band
or group if they can create songs that spark your
imagination in that way that you want to create entire
stories around them. Uh. You know, and you and I
both love music. I really like when shows decided to
be a musical. One of my favorite TV shows I
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would consider musical, which is Gallivant. Yes, yes, Galivant is
a musical, and it it falls, It follows the rules,
and it shouldn't be any surprise. I mean you had
mincol One of the one of the pair of Ashman
and Lincoln who were part of the Disney renaissance with
the Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast in Aladdin,
as as one as one of the people working on
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that show, so you would expect it to have those qualities.
And Galivant was very tongue in cheek. It was very meta,
and it's in its approach to fantasy tropes and trying
to subvert those in fun ways. Not every episode was
a total winner, but the really good ones were genuinely
really good, and the songs were always fun. I mean,
any any show that casts weird Al Yankovic as a
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singing monk has got got my vote. Uh So, yeah,
that's like that was a really fun one and it
was a shame that we only got two seasons of it. Yeah,
I agree. There have been some other shows that have
tried to veer into the straight up musical genres, such
as Crazy Ex Girlfriend or is Always Extraordinary Playlist, But
most TV shows either incorporate music here and there throughout
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because the actors also enjoy musical theater and music, or
they just toyed the idea of having a musical episode
for the funzies of it. Yeah, and it's fun to
also see when they try and justify that, like how
they justify it. Different shows have done it in different ways.
So for example, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had one
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of the best musical episodes of a non musical show
of all time once More with Feeling. Uh. They did
it because a demon was in the town and the
demon's enchantment caused people to sing their innermost thoughts and desires,
so people were incapable of holding their thoughts and they
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had to sing them out when they rose to the surface.
And so people would would learn each other's you know,
inner motivations, which further the drama for the rest of
the season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So it ended
up playing a lasting part in the series. It wasn't
just a little one off thing that was fun and
curious and then never talked about again. It had long
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lasting impact for the characters in that series. It was
really well done for a series where I would say
the majority of the actors were not actually singers. Yeah, yeah,
you had a couple, You had a couple of really
strong ones, you know. Amber Benson was playing Tarots, very
strong Giles who has played characters like Dr Frankenfurter and
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Rocky Horror Uh. Anthony Stewart Head, brother to Murray Head,
who was in Chess uh and and Jesus Christ Superstar.
I mean, like, there are a couple of legit like
superstar singers in there, but most of them weren't. Anthony
Stewart Head was also in although a very small part,
in The Sweeney Todd with Johnny Depp. He was also
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in repo the Genetic Opera, I was gonna say, which
not very very low on the list of musicals for me,
but it's got Paris Hilton in it. Come on, But
that's like top notch entertainment. Uh So. Another great example
would be Scrubs. Scrubs out a musical episode where they
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framed it where there was a patient who comes in
who has uh had an event happened to her where
for some reason, she perceives all the people around her singing.
And so in that episode, the idea is that people
are not actually singing in the in the quote unquote
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real world, but we're seeing it through her perception. So
in that sense, we get a bunch of musical numbers.
And again it's because you know, people like Zact love musicals,
and so they did a whole bunch of different songs
and that one was a lot of fun too, and
also really and more played into things that we already
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knew about the characters. I don't think we've got a
lot of revelation from that one, but we wouldn't expect
it because it's being seen through someone who just got there.
So but I do think it was a clever way
to incorporate, Hey, I want a musical episode. Is to
give it that that justification. I mean, we've got an
entire and so easy extraordinary playlist is all about uh,
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a woman who hears everybody's internal thoughts and songs, so
kind of the scrub story expanded, you know. And then
you've got like the Flash and Supergirl crossover, which I
think was an alternate universe. Quite honestly, I did watch it,
but I was so excited because it was just full
of amazing singers who have been on Broadway. The kids
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who play Cisco was in once, Victor Garber was in
it all, you know, and Supergirl and the Flash themselves
also were on Glee. So it was just an episode
where they're saying, we've got all of these talented actors
who are also very talented singers, Let's give them a
reason to sing. And then it was also very like
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Mobster speakeasy ish, So I really liked that episode. I
I don't know whether I prefer I know that when
I watch adaptations of movies like Disney's to be Off
on a litt Bunny show, when I watched Disney Duo
live action adaptation, sometimes so focus more on the actors
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than on this on the acting part than the singing part,
and I feel like the singing suffers. But I don't
feel the same way in television. As much as I go,
I want to see these people singing in a musical
episode because they're amazing. You can have something like Buffy
or Scrubs or even psych although to meet the Oddmudson
who was in Psych in and Gallivant is an amazing singer,
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and go. I'm just so excited to see these characters
interact in this media that I love so much that
it doesn't matter to me if they're a good singer.
And of course there are there are other methods of
incorporating musicals into shows. There are several shows where within
the show the characters are mounting a musical, and that
makes it really easy to have, you know, music in
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the show. You don't have to find some weird justification
for why everyone is suddenly singing. It's actually built into
the premise of the plot itself. So the perfect example
of this, I would argue, possibly the best version of
a musical within an episode ever, is, of course, The
Night Man Cometh from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Possibly
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the best episode that has ever been made for television,
especially if you've ever been in theater. If you not
only know, let me let me amend that if you
have ever directed any musical theater. Yes, you will feel
so much sympathy for Charlie in that episode up until
the end of it. But but you'll feel so much
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sympathy because I I have directed a musical and I
was watching that thinking this is so real it hurts.
I would have to agree with you. Often always Stunny
in Philadelphia is too crass for me. But it really
was so genuine in its musical episode of of the
Nightman come with of this is how mounting a musical
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works on a community level that it was frustrating and
delighting all at the same time. UH Supernatural also had
an episode where they mounted a musical. Rather, it was
a girls school mounting a musical of the comic series
written about the Winchester brothers. Uh on On a at
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the time prophet who knew the Winchester story and was
writing about it. Yes, so the Winchesters adventures were being
written into book form. So there was within the world
of Supernatural the the other characters of Supernatural, UH knew
of the Winchesters, but a lot of people just knew
of them as the characters in this book series that
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became crazy popular. Yeah, and would argue with them about
points in their own life. But I would say the
musical and always Stendy in Philadelphia, while it was crasser,
was stronger than the one in Supernatural. Although you did
get the song single manned here in the Supernatural episode,
which was pretty brilliant. Uh, the songs weren't as strong,
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but it was pretty funny. My favorite episodes of Supernatural
are the ones where they kind of break that third
wall and play with you on how ridiculous it is
and and that was a prime example of it, when
they're making fun of themselves. Uh. And you mentioned already
crazy ex girlfriend. But I just want to give a
special shout out because that show, uh was so good.
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It was one that I didn't initially appreciate that much. Uh, Like,
I thought it was good, but I also thought it
was hard to watch and it was hard to connect
with characters. But it was a long play and the
revelations of the main character. There's a point where you
go on that journey with her and you are you
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realize why she is the way she is, and you
are way more on her side at that point than
you have been previously. And um like the fact that
the show itself didn't shy away from criticizing its own protagonist.
Like in the song She's sang, she was setting herself
up for the criticism. And it has one of my
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favorite through lines of any show that's a musical as well,
which is the Santa Anna Wins episode, only because the
actor they got to play the Santa Anna Wins, he
plays the Santa Anna Wins. He's the embodiment of them.
He's like a low key type character of mischief. Um.
And he is played by a guy who had been
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in Jersey Boys. So he's singing like Frankie Valley. He's
hitting those super high falsetto notes and he's singing about
being the winds and making people do weird stuff. And
so the the the whole thing is, it's it's the
main character who is blaming her her behaviors on external forces,
in this case the Santa Anna Wins, and the Santa
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Ana Wins at the end of it says like, no, seriously,
this is all you. I'm just here. You know like
it's you're you're the one who's making these choices, and
but it is it is legit like a joyful experience
to watch that sequence because the actor playing the Santa
Ana wins is so good at the choreography and the singing,
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and it's it's doo wop, which also hits a soft
spot in my heart. I happened to really love that genre.
Uh so, so that is Uh there's a their YouTube
videos where you can watch all the little Santa Ana
win interstitials back to back, So if you just want
to get a feel for that, you can do it.
I have watched that possibly fifty times in a row,
I don't know, but um, yeah, I'm a big fan.
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I'm a big fan of these sort of things. To
their shows that have done it poorly. Um, there are
shows that have only kind of toyed with it or
didn't even bother to explain why it happened. How I
Met your Mother, I would argue, goes in that direction,
largely because Neil Patrick Harris was in it. Yeah, Neil
Patrick Harrison also Jason Segal who loves musical stuff yes
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writes music where they famously would do the the dual
duet scene from lam is Together You just you just
got slapped. It is one of my favorite through lines
of a show. Now that we've talked about this, do
you prefer shows that are musical musical episodes or shows
where they put a musical on or have occasional musical
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bursts in I think I think as long as it's
done well, I don't really care what version it takes.
Like I as someone who loves musicals, I love the
pure musical first and foremost. That's like my favorite approach.
But they are also ones where like The Nightman Cometh,
where it's it's you know, it's the fact that they're
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putting on a musical that has its own appeal to me,
and it gets into that meta side, you know. I
mentioned in a in another episode the show Noises off
Um that that sort of thing is another meta commentary
on the process of making theater. And we see this
a lot, like we see it a lot in Hollywood,
we see it a lot in plays, we see it
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a lot in books where people are writing about the
thing that they do and that becomes the story that
plays out, which limits your audience a little bit because
if you're not someone who does that that doesn't really
matter to you, But but I I really appreciate it
from that standpoint. What about you? Yeah, I think I
like when it is sprinkled throughout here and there because
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it gives me something to look forward to, how I
met your mother. I think that's the best best of
it for me, because they'll occasionally have little musical numbers
pop up, and it's always a delight when it does,
and I know that it may not be the last one.
Whereas one I watch Buffy or Psych or Scrubs, I'm like,
this is this is going to be the one musical episode.
You might occasionally have characters who will sing something briefly,
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like Scrubs did a few times where they had the blanks,
the acapella groups singing stuff, or they would have people
singing typically a minute work song um or that or
a ratier because they did respect in the first season,
but it was more rare than something that would happen
in every episode. Yeah, no, I get it. Well, when
we come back, we're going to do a musical mash
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up of a couple of things, ourselves, taking one unjustifiably
famous musical and mashing it up with a justifiably arguably
famous piece of fiction. But first let's take a quick break. Okay,
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so we are mashing up the two properties of cats
musical a Game of Thrones. And this was a decision
that I can't remember why we made it, but we're
gonna do it now. Um. I think we decided just
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to be we needed a musical since we're talking about
musical things, and we chose to be as ridiculous as possible,
which made for really difficult time writing a mash up. Yeah,
and then we we decided to go with like something
that was truly not musical, and Game of Thrones really
fit the bill there, Um, unless you're talking about was
it add something or other? Hearan, yes, who was in
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in a couple of episodes? Um see, now here's the
thing though, I only watched the very first episode of
Game of Thrones, but I read all the books that
have been published up to this point. So for me,
like I, I tend to fall more on the books
than the television series. I know what happened in the
TV series because I'm a human being who has the
ability to access the Internet, but I wasn't following it
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uh wholeheartedly. But we should probably give a quick rundown
on what each of these things are. I call cats. Okay, okay,
So so Cats is based off of a T. S.
Eliott series of poems, has a couple of original pieces
in it too, but the poems were all individual poems
about cats and and cats that sometimes interact with dogs
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and sometimes other stuff too, But it's typically just a
bunch of poems that introduce various cats. Uh. Andrew Lloyd
Webber loved the book of poems and he grew up
reading them, and he wanted to make a musical, and
he decided along with producers, that they were going to
make a musical about cats. And then they strung together
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a bunch of mostly unrelated poems. The paul are related
in the sense that they're about cats, but they're not
like it's not like a story. They wanted to weave
them together to make a narrative. So this really is
like a jukebox musical, except in this case the jukebox
isn't songs but poems that have been set to music
and then tell the story about cats who are trying
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to reach the heavy side layer, which is this idea
of being essentially dying and being reborn into a new life.
So my friend describes it as a show where each
of the main characters takes turn introducing themselves until one
of them dies. That's pretty mean, that's pretty true. It's
not too dissimilar from Game of Thrones either, where you
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introduce a whole bunch of characters and then killed them off.
So Game of Thrones is a fantasy novel series by
George R. R. Martin. It introduces a ton of characters
and it kills them all as they're all fighting to
gain control of the kingdoms via the Iron Throne. There's dragons,
there's sexy ti times, there's not so sexy sexy times.
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There's lots of murder, and HBO made a show about Yeah,
it's it's like, it's like dark fantasy in a way,
And yeah, it involves a lot of intrigue and a
lot of betrayal and eventually will teach you the lesson
that if you're a good person, you're gonna die and
you're not like good people do not last long in
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that series, the less good you are, the more likely
old stick around, at least for a while. You'll you
will eventually die too, and they'll probably be horrible, but
you'll outlast most of the other characters. Yeah. Yeah, So
so I wanna who wants to go? Do you want
me to go first? This time? I tend to go second,
but I don't know if you want me to go
second again, you can you can go first, Okay, all right? So,
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so I have decided to do mine as a series
of unconnected uh vignettes, much like Cats and um this
is sort of my pitch for a game of Throwing
Cats crossover musical. And I'm gonna be giving you sort
of a reading of a musical. If you've seen Guttenberg
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the musical, That's exactly what I'm about to do to you,
and that I am going to, as the sole creator
of this amazing show, give you the rundown of what's happening.
So first thing you have to do is you have
to introduce the whole concept of your show and Cats.
This is done with the naming of cats. They explain
how cats are named, and so this is this is
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how I would start off the Game of Thrones Cats version.
Here he goes. The gaming of Thrones is a difficult matter.
It isn't just one of your political games. You may
think at first. The batties can't get much better, will
I tell you? Just wait for the final few frames.
First of all, there's the Starks who rule up in
snow Land. There's ned and Aria and a bunch who
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all die. I guess that's a spoiler, but that's how
it goes. Man. If I said your favorite lives, it's
probably a lie. There are other houses if you prefer
more choices. There's Targarrian, Terrail, Beratheon, and Frey. House Mormont
likes to raise up their voices and great joy sticks
around for most of the way, so you see, you
can see where that's going. See, I'm just giving you
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the the quick pitch here. But then you have to
start like really introducing your characters and getting to know
who they are now. Obviously in Game of Thrones, one
of the really important groups of characters come from the
house Lanister. Right, So I took the song the cavity,
and I made a couple of little choices. So it
goes um the Lanisters, the Landisters. There's no unlike the Landisters.
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All of them will pay their debts and throw you
from the banisters. You might meet them at King's Landing.
They're all the ways close at hand, but out of
that entire bunch, it's the short one I can stand.
So that's that's introducing the Lanisters. But you also you
also have to introduce other characters who may not be
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around for very long. Uh. One of the characters and
cats who you get the feeling is getting real close,
probably to the end of his life as Gus the
theater cat. So I took that one and I decided
to apply it to another beloved character from the book
series who I think was given too short a treatment
in the television series. So here we go. M Kate
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is the Stark who got a raw deal. In the books,
she's a zombie. I mean that for real. In the
show she gets killed during a wedding that's read. But
in the books she's a gal who just won't stay dead.
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That's another spoiler if you don't know about Lady Stoneheart, okay,
and then you have to go through There's a song
called Old Deuteronomy in cats Um that gives you some
information about Old Dinner on Me. I thought you also
are gonna need some songs that continue the plot and
explain magic in the world. So I just got this
really quick little snippet to kind of give you that
idea goes, well, of all things, can it be? Really? No? Yes?
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So high? Oh my eye, my mind, baby wandering. But
I confess I believe dragons are eating my thigh. So
you know, then we got introduced the dragons into the story.
And then I you know, are there certain characters that
you just got to figure out? Like how are you
gonna throw them in there? Uh? Mr must Files in
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Cats is a very mischievous cat, But we have a
very mischievous character in Game of Thrones. So up and
we all say, oh, well, never was there ever cats?
So clever is that jerk named little Finger? So you see,
like through the process of these songs, we will eventually
introduce everyone and then the last one will just you know,
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kill them all off, and that way we will mesh
together Cats and and Game of Thrones. Really, Cats and
Game of Thrones are very similar, except in Game of
Thrones more than fifty of your cast has already reached
the heavy side layer before you go to intermission. Yeah
that was my take. Oh it was much better than mine.
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We don't even have to do mine. Okay, So this
is called Mungo jaremandering for the throne. All right, I
love the title, thank you. I feel like the titles
are my strong points. So Mungo Jamie and Rumpel Cercy
lannis Per are two ambitious cats who want to rule
the Iron Throne a k a. The Heavy Side Chair.
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Iron thrones are heavy, man. It sits in a particularly
powerful sunbeam, and it's there's It used to be the
house of bomber Athian, but he was crappit hunting and
got kicked out. Little do they know there are a
bunch of other cats who are also trying to sneak
into the lanis Per household to take the throne. Do
you have Rob Skimble, Stark Grizzle, Sandra Calico, Drogo Manka Sanza,
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rum Tum Terry and Jelly Theon Gray Joy, Charlie Bucketty Maccaveris,
Mr martel Offle's Old Bailishronomy and Jacquenanni Dots. The problem
is that there are so many of them it's hard
to keep them all straight and tell them all apart.
Fast forward through a bunch of West Side story as
cat fights and catterwalling. After the dust settles, it looks
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like Denaris Denaire hiss Tiger Gary in a flame Point
might succeed in taking the iron throne by releasing a
bunch of big lizards into the house to scare the
owners out. However, she's killed by a sad snowshoe cat
named John uh and in the end, after the cats
cause too much destruction the house. Besides, there are more
of a bird household anyhow, and none of the cats
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get the throne. Uh. Epilogue, there's one solo cat left
on the wall in the north, singing, I'm a night's
watch solos on on this big wall with the wide
walker's gone. Now, I am cold and I'm bored. When
the day comes, maybe they'll remember I'm here now a
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new rain has be gone beautiful, Okay, Like the names
and puns are phenomenal, and the and the throne and
the sunbeam a beautiful touch. I think I think with
that we're going to have to sign off. If you
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guys have ideas of how Game of Thrones and Cats
could be mashed up, and you think, hey, I've got
my own idea about that, you should let us know. Also,
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Heart Radio. Hi everybody, Welcome to The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us and how super excited we are
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about it. I'm Ariel Casting and with me as always,
who's comedic genius and good friend Jonathan Strickland. Hey, Ariel, Yes, Jonathan,
I got a question for you, all right, Ariel. Your
question and this this does tie into our topics of
(00:52):
discussion today, is that you have a chance to have
sort of a gender flipped experience playing a character from
a musical that typically we go to a male actor.
What's a song from a show that's typically sung by
a male actor that you would love the chance to
give your own take on. Okay, well, I'm very fickle
(01:15):
about musicals and so I'll change what musical I want
to sing from day to day. But there is a
a go to song that is usually sung by a
guy that I really love singing and would love to sing,
and that is Lost in the Wilderness from Children of Eden.
It's usually sung by Cain and Abel and it's it's
(01:36):
very heartfelt and there's like but it's nice and a
tenner range, so I tend to be contralto tenor and
so I've always liked singing guy parts anyhow. But that
that's just off the top of my head, Like I said,
that could change any day. There's a song I want
to sing it that I hear you. Anyone who has
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gone to karaoke with me knows that if they're is
a song I wanted to sing it? What gender bent
song would you like to sing? So there are tons
of so I I have been known to sing at
karaoke songs that were meant for actresses, for example, Popular
from Wicked. It's one of my favorites. I love doing
that one. But as for the song that would really
(02:18):
love to sing, um that I would never get away
with It would be Stupid with Love from Mean Girls
because it's just a fun, little upbeat, silly song. It
is not age appropriate for me. It's not gender appropriate
for me because it's sung by a character who's supposed
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to be a high school student, a young female high
school student, so it's about as far away from me
as you can get. But it is a genuinely fun
song to sing. Uh, there's also another one called light
I love play Rehearsal, which is from b Moore Chill
that one I would also kill to sing because I
(03:00):
love that song too. But that's enough about me. We're
now going to segue into a segment I like to
call what's that Ariel about? Anyway? Huh? I don't know
what is that Ariel about. We're gonna find out, and
I'm gonna find out by asking the foremost expert on
what Ariel is all about, and that is Ariel. Hey, Ariel,
We're gonna get to know you, Okay. So we're gonna
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start off with the the simplest of questions, but one
that you have received numerous times because I've been there
when it's happened, which is, where did your name come from?
Did your mom name you after the Little Mermaid? So no,
my mom did not name me after the Little Mermaid.
I was when I came out and h The fun
(03:45):
thing is, though, depending on the day and when you
ask her, she did name me after Hi mom. She
did name me after a cartoon character. So my mom
and dad were watching Thunder the Barbarian, as the story
sometimes goes, and in Thunder are which is kind of
like he Man he manadjacent. There's a sorceress named Ariel,
(04:06):
and he goes Ariel Let's ride. And they liked that
name and so they used it. But they also will
sometimes say it was after the sprite in the Tempest
from Shakespeare. Uh. And they like it anyhow because in
Hebrew it means lyness of God, and so there are
(04:28):
lots of nice reasons to have that name. But I
cling to the one that I heard, the one that's
stick with me the most, which is I was named
after a character from Thunder of the Barbarian. Being named
after a Shakespearean character is no no bad shakes either.
So to speak, the Tempest is a true masterpiece. Some
argue that it was the one work of Shakespeare that
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was wholly original, not something that he lifted from a
previous work and then adapted. So I mean, and I
have played Ariel in the Tempest, and I have been
in a play of the Little Mermaid, although I was
her big sister, and it wasn't the Disney version nice. Well,
then let us move on with learning more about what
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Ariel was like as a child. Arguably I knew Ariel
when she was a child, but that was when she
was a teenager, So it doesn't really, it's not the
same thing. Eight teen, maybe nineteen? Were you eight? So
I met you in two thousand? How old were you then? Uh? Eighteen? Okay,
(05:32):
so yeah, I started red Fest at eighteen. But we
didn't super know each other then. No, no, but I
mean you you had seen me perform in Shakespeare parodies
in fact, so she knew me before I knew her.
Actually she didn't know me. She knew my character before
I knew who she was. You are a great performer,
and your character, more so than my friends who worked
(05:54):
at the Renaissance Festival, was part of the thing that
made me go, hey, I want to work there. You're
character and then a kissing wen sh at a promotional
event both made me go I want to do that.
And we'll get to more of Georgia Renaissance Festival in
a second, but first I want to hear about some
of the geeky things that you loved when you were
growing up. What were some of the things that you
kind of gravitated toward a star trek? I remember what, Yeah,
(06:19):
I remember watching the cartoon as a small child, and
I was raised on science fiction, fantasy, I remember reading
a Connected Yankee and King Arthur's Court in the Hobbit
and Lord of the Rings with my parents. A lot
of uh asthmov in Highland children Highland stuff, not adult
(06:41):
Highland stuff, so like the Rolling Stones and not the
not the wacky psycho sexual stuff that came in later
Highland stuff. Now. But you know, my mom was a geek,
my dad was a geek, and so it was inevitable
that I would be. You know, it was raised on
science fiction, fantasy, Star Trek, Star Wars, all of it
phantom to old booth is. I would lump in their
(07:02):
never ending story as well. It's nice, Well my favorite things.
Well then let's let's uh, let's talk a little bit
about the Renaissance Festival. Now. I have seen most of
the characters you've played, not all of them, actually, because
there were a couple that you played when I was
sort of inactive in the festival scene and I wasn't
even going as a patron. But can you talk about
(07:24):
maybe a couple of your characters and some of your
favorites and what they were like? Sure? So, like I said, uh,
meeting one of the kissing wenches was what made me
want to do the Renaissance Festival. So I auditioned for
with a Shakespeare piece and auditioned to be a kissing
wench in particular, and I got the call that I
was cast, and they wanted me to be the old maid. Yes,
(07:48):
about as far away from kissing wench as possible, although
in her heart she wants to be a kissing winch,
and her heart she wanted to be a kissing wench.
It was. It was a little bit soul crushing. Now
it was fine. It was. It was a great experience
and it really stretched me. I was lies alone, the
village old maid. But we had another Liza at fair
who was lies a lot. And my friend, who encouraged
(08:10):
me to audition at the time, was playing the stocksman
whips a lot, and so I became lies alone a
lot uh, the old maid. Uh. Since that time I
have gone all over the place. I was a fashion
consultant Voguelo mode, which I think is my most returned
to character, who was all about the color pink. I
(08:30):
was also the black widow Lady Marianne killing him, wife
of the late Earl of killing him before that, wife
of the late Duke of Softly and before that wife
of the late Viscount of with his words, So it
was actually Lady Marian killing him softly with his words,
widow of sixty eight looking for a number of husband,
husband number sixty nine. I was also Ruby two Lips
at Kissing Wench. My band played there, and so I
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played Beatrice flats and huns and Bencinianza tall and small
and sfence and Swanson, which yes, was a nod to
the producers. Everybody could call me be flat because I
played clarinet, which is a B flat instrument. All over
the place. I was all over the place. I think
those were the ones that staid with me most. I
was also in scenario one Yere, which is the big
(09:13):
plot that happens. Yes, there's a plot at the Renaissance Festival,
depending on which one you go to. I did stage
combat you name it, I did it, yeah, and uh,
and I mostly knew you as Vogue. That was the
character that we we mostly overlapped with, and typically the
character I was playing at that point, who was the
Lord Admiral was uh kind of in a weird like
(09:37):
hot and cold relationship with Vogue, where one of us
would seem to be very friendly towards the other and
the other one would just be the most like cold
and distant person possible and then it would change. But
it was never, never, never the same way, Like we
never had two people who were really into each other.
It was always a one way a direction for the
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for the infections, and the other person was either oblivious
or outwardly spurning them. Um. Oh, that's what keeps it
fun though, Yeah, that was what made it really fun,
is that it added it created comedy for the audience,
which is the whole reason for it. And you mentioned
your band. First of all, what's the name of your band?
It depends on what day you're asking. Right now, we're
calling ourselves either the Tenpenny Travelers or the Fetching Muggins. Nice.
(10:24):
I was about to say, like, you mean, you're not
the Tenpenny Travelers anymore. That's we are. So we're the
Tenpenny Travelers. That's what we perform at various festivals as
in a Pirate Palooza. We've recently started playing some bluegrass
music for a larp that we play, and so at
that lark where the Fetching Muggins. Just because we're all
different characters and not our real life songs. But yeah,
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I'm in a pirate Renaissance folksy band called the Tenpenny Travelers.
There's actually an album there is. We keep meaning to
make a second one, but that takes so much work.
We actually started off playing I met them at a
lark and they were like a woodwind group and playing
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folk music and folk dances uh at events and weddings
and things like that. So we were a wedding band
for a while too. That was fun and exciting. Yeah,
and they play a lot of a lot of the
songs that you would hear at places like the Renaissance Festival.
That there's songs that are very they're very folk song oriented,
(11:30):
but um they're very recent period because that's what everyone
plays at the Renaissance Festival. I think I've been to
maybe two Renaissance festivals where they had people playing period
appropriate music, And the problem with that is that audiences
don't expect period appropriate music they want to hear. They
want to hear things like the Irish folk tunes that
they associate with the Renaissance but in fact are much
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more recent than that. Yeah, the period music is much
better for like background as opposed to sitting and watching
a show or most audiences. Well, then, how about since
you mentioned larpin, how did you get into that? What
was what was your experience getting into larpin? And can
you tell us a little bit about some of your
characters that you play in the various games. Oh golly, yes, so. Uh.
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Like I said, I was raised a geek, and early
in my life I decided I wanted to be a
theater geek more than anything, and I joined in outdoor
Shakespeare troop and one of the actors in one of
the shows with me said, Hey, I do this LARPing thing.
You should check it out. Uh. And the larpe that
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I wanted to go to at the time was eighteen
years and older. Because you're all out role playing in
the woods and hitting each other with plumbing supplies wrapped
in foams. You want to you want it to be adults.
You don't want to beat up some poor child larpin.
The LARPing scene has changed drastically over the years, at
least the LARPs I play in. So we actually do
have some kids who are allowed to play with parents
supervision on a case by case basis. Uh. But I
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was seventeen at the time, And when I turned eighteen,
I went to a LARP convention and I tried a
couple of characters. Uh, And I started off with kind
of rogue e fantasy characters, so I played like a
jewel Elf and a fire Elf and it was Elfie,
and I wanted to be all these like pretty little characters.
And then as time went on, I decided I wanted
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to be a bruiser. So it's it's a lot easier
to play a game when you just got to worry
about oh thing to hit, uh, and less about well,
here's all this intrigue happening, and here's all these details.
As I've become busier as an adult, it's also easier
for me to play and get invested in a game
if I don't have to remember a ton of details
about all of these fake politicians and intrigues and things
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like that. So uh, I think my favorite characters are
the last two I played. One was a Barbarian from
a culture that was very closely based off of Finnish culture,
which uh, my great grandparents on my mother's side, one
set of them are from Finland, So I was all
about that so I could hit things and pretend to
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be from Finland. And then the other one that I
currently play is at a western larp with um a
lot of nerve guns and I play a monster hunter.
So I'm basically playing Dean Winchester from Natural. Yeah. In fact,
I play winnifridg Chesterfield or winchester Field. Uh. Nice, Yeah,
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You're you're naming convention meets with my approval. I'm I'm
glad it does. I like to be punny, so do I.
I mean, my character at Rosistance Vessel is Edmund Vaine Glory,
and I really I really lived up to that name
as much as I could, whereas the name of the
French villain I played was Robert Camembert, the Marquis de
Roque four, which was about as cheesy as it gets.
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Uh So, to wrap this section up, I have one
more question I want to ask you, and it's one
of those that I think it's kind of fun to
chat with with various geeks, which is, what is something
in the geek sphere that you know you should have
already seen or experienced, but you just haven't gotten around
to it yet. So the one that keeps coming one
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is Nightmare before Christmas, which we talked about in Our
Christmas our first Christmas episode. The other one I think
would be The Shining. I've never watched The Shining. I've
read very little Stephen King. Unlike Jonathan, I'm not the
hugest of horror buffs. I watched my first horror movie
in fifth grade. I asked my parents, I said, can
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I please see this? And they said, well, because you
asked you can, we don't think it's a good idea.
And boy were they right, because Freddy Krueger haunted my
dreams for so long. It was Freddy Krueger and it
was candy Man. Oh yeah, which at the time I
got through by by thinking the heroin could not have
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lost that much blood. This is ridiculous, Just trying to
take myself out of it, to look at it from
a from an outside angle, but Shining. As I get older,
you know, I'm able to divest myself from some the
scarier aspects of suspensibul horror movies. I'm still not a
big gore fan. I don't I don't like too much
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slasher torture stuff. Sure, yeah, but the Shining, while you know,
it does get gross in some areas, it's such a classic.
I feel like I'm missing out by not reading it
watching it. There's a well, I mean, yeah, and it's
two different experiences, right, because the book is very different
from the movie, In fact, so much so that Stephen
King was famously upset at Stanley Kubrick for the changes
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that Kubrick made to the story. Though I would argue
that Kubrick's changes for the most part work well with
one one exception one thing that is a problem I
think early on in the movie, but that's largely due
to casting and not necessarily the film itself. The Shining
is a truly pivotal important pop culture thing. I mean,
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there's so many references to the Shining in pop culture,
uh that I think by the time you finally do
sit down to watch it, you're gonna have the feeling
of I've seen of this movie already, just through the
cultural touchstones, you know, like Red Lum and stuff like
and here's Johnny and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
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and I know it transcends geek culture, but most of
the people who I know who are Stephen King fans
are geeks, and so for me it just fits right in. Yeah. No,
I think I think horror geek fits in with other
types of geeks. I mean, most of the conventions we
go to, horror ends up playing, you know, a pretty
big role in the various panels and discussions. It's usually
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I would argue that it's normally a little a tear
below science fics and in fantasy and most like in
most mainstream conventions. But there are also you know, horror
centric conventions out there too, and and horror so often
intersects with fantasy or science. Well, yeah, I agree. I
think the shining is something you need to experience, but
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it needs to be experienced in your own time. No
one should be rushed, and there's no there's no time
limit on when you can experience something for the first time. So,
just as a gentle reminder to our dear listeners out there,
if you hear that somebody hasn't had a specific experience
that you think they would really dig, then the best
reaction is probably not to say, why haven't you done
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that yet? It should be I am so excited that
you get a chance to see this or experience this.
That's that's that's a better way to go about it,
because it doesn't put someone on the defensive and it
lets you share in their excitement to experience something for
the first time. So that's me on my soapbox. I
gotta get down off the soapbox because we're gonna need
to take a quick break. And when we come back, Yep,
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we're gonna go and talk about some musicals. Yeah, alright,
so we're back, and like Jonathan said, we're going to
talk about some musicals, but specifically television and movie musicals
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that are not musicals by nature for the most So
we're talking about shows and stuff that have occasionally dipped
their toe into the musical, you know, pool, But this
would leave out stuff like Glee. Glee doesn't count really
because Glee was structured to be kind of sort of
a musical. Like it also really helps us kind of
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get our minds around what we think of as a musical. Actually,
I think that's a good place to start. Aerial Uh
for you, what what what makes something a musical for
you as opposed to something that has music and maybe
even singing in it for me? And I think you
and I have discussed this, so we haven't necessarily discussed
it with our audience. A musical is a story where
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the plot is furthered by singing. And I think you
and I have agreed in the past that a good
musical is when the music comes in when the characters
emotions are so strong that they have no other way
to express themselves. So you know, there are jukebox musicals
and if you can where you take pre pre made music,
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music that was not made with the intent of it
being in a musical, for instance Jersey Boys, and you
plug it in to fit certain situations and you can
use that music to further a plot. And some jukebox
music musicals are fun. Mamma Mia is a lot of fun.
But to me, a really good musical is one where
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you're driving the plot and you're drive, you're learning things
through this music that just bubbles out at heights of emotion. Yeah,
I agree with that. I think that a real musical
is one where the songs either further the plot or
they tell you something important about the character. One of
the at least one of those two things should happen,
maybe both. If you're really good, you get both done
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in one song. Occasionally you get songs that fall into
general categories, like there's the I Want song, which is
where you learn whatever. Either it's the protagonist or it
might be the antagonist, but you learn what it is
that they desperately want and what is going to drive
their their motivations and their actions moving forward. Uh, you
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know you've got And then there are a lot of
songs in musicals, like theater musicals, they have a specific
purpose where like, there's a longstanding joke that the first
song after intermission is one that has no real impact
to the story of the play because you're literally just
filling up time where people are coming act to their seats.
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So like that's that's a that's a gag, but it's true.
It is true, Yeah, because a lot of people do
not return to their seats when they're supposed to. The
women's restroomline is so long that the lights flash and
you're like, you're like, listen, I cannot sit through another
hour of Jean Valjean singing in his high pitched voice
if I don't go to the loo. So so I
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agree with you, Ariel. I think that, you know, a
really good musical puts those thoughts at the heart of
the story, and jukebox musicals can do that. It's just
harder because in that case, you've you're you're kind of
shaping the story around the songs that you have, as
opposed to crafting songs that help you tell the story
you want to tell. Yeah. I mean, well that is
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a great landmark of a really good songwriter or band
or group if they can create songs that spark your
imagination in that way that you want to create entire
stories around them. Uh. You know, and you and I
both love music. I really like when shows decided to
be a musical. One of my favorite TV shows I
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would consider musical, which is Gallivant. Yes, yes, Galivant is
a musical, and it it falls, It follows the rules,
and it shouldn't be any surprise. I mean you had
mincol One of the one of the pair of Ashman
and Lincoln who were part of the Disney renaissance with
the Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast in Aladdin,
as as one as one of the people working on
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that show, so you would expect it to have those qualities.
And Galivant was very tongue in cheek. It was very meta,
and it's in its approach to fantasy tropes and trying
to subvert those in fun ways. Not every episode was
a total winner, but the really good ones were genuinely
really good, and the songs were always fun. I mean,
any any show that casts weird Al Yankovic as a
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singing monk has got got my vote. Uh So, yeah,
that's like that was a really fun one and it
was a shame that we only got two seasons of it. Yeah,
I agree. There have been some other shows that have
tried to veer into the straight up musical genres, such
as Crazy Ex Girlfriend or is Always Extraordinary Playlist, But
most TV shows either incorporate music here and there throughout
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because the actors also enjoy musical theater and music, or
they just toyed the idea of having a musical episode
for the funzies of it. Yeah, and it's fun to
also see when they try and justify that, like how
they justify it. Different shows have done it in different ways.
So for example, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had one
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of the best musical episodes of a non musical show
of all time once More with Feeling. Uh. They did
it because a demon was in the town and the
demon's enchantment caused people to sing their innermost thoughts and desires,
so people were incapable of holding their thoughts and they
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had to sing them out when they rose to the surface.
And so people would would learn each other's you know,
inner motivations, which further the drama for the rest of
the season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So it ended
up playing a lasting part in the series. It wasn't
just a little one off thing that was fun and
curious and then never talked about again. It had long
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lasting impact for the characters in that series. It was
really well done for a series where I would say
the majority of the actors were not actually singers. Yeah, yeah,
you had a couple, You had a couple of really
strong ones, you know. Amber Benson was playing Tarots, very
strong Giles who has played characters like Dr Frankenfurter and
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Rocky Horror Uh. Anthony Stewart Head, brother to Murray Head,
who was in Chess uh and and Jesus Christ Superstar.
I mean, like, there are a couple of legit like
superstar singers in there, but most of them weren't. Anthony
Stewart Head was also in although a very small part,
in The Sweeney Todd with Johnny Depp. He was also
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in repo the Genetic Opera, I was gonna say, which
not very very low on the list of musicals for me,
but it's got Paris Hilton in it. Come on, But
that's like top notch entertainment. Uh So. Another great example
would be Scrubs. Scrubs out a musical episode where they
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framed it where there was a patient who comes in
who has uh had an event happened to her where
for some reason, she perceives all the people around her singing.
And so in that episode, the idea is that people
are not actually singing in the in the quote unquote
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real world, but we're seeing it through her perception. So
in that sense, we get a bunch of musical numbers.
And again it's because you know, people like Zact love musicals,
and so they did a whole bunch of different songs
and that one was a lot of fun too, and
also really and more played into things that we already
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knew about the characters. I don't think we've got a
lot of revelation from that one, but we wouldn't expect
it because it's being seen through someone who just got there.
So but I do think it was a clever way
to incorporate, Hey, I want a musical episode. Is to
give it that that justification. I mean, we've got an
entire and so easy extraordinary playlist is all about uh,
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a woman who hears everybody's internal thoughts and songs, so
kind of the scrub story expanded, you know. And then
you've got like the Flash and Supergirl crossover, which I
think was an alternate universe. Quite honestly, I did watch it,
but I was so excited because it was just full
of amazing singers who have been on Broadway. The kids
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who play Cisco was in once, Victor Garber was in
it all, you know, and Supergirl and the Flash themselves
also were on Glee. So it was just an episode
where they're saying, we've got all of these talented actors
who are also very talented singers, Let's give them a
reason to sing. And then it was also very like
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Mobster speakeasy ish, So I really liked that episode. I
I don't know whether I prefer I know that when
I watch adaptations of movies like Disney's to be Off
on a litt Bunny show, when I watched Disney Duo
live action adaptation, sometimes so focus more on the actors
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than on this on the acting part than the singing part,
and I feel like the singing suffers. But I don't
feel the same way in television. As much as I go,
I want to see these people singing in a musical
episode because they're amazing. You can have something like Buffy
or Scrubs or even psych although to meet the Oddmudson
who was in Psych in and Gallivant is an amazing singer,
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and go. I'm just so excited to see these characters
interact in this media that I love so much that
it doesn't matter to me if they're a good singer.
And of course there are there are other methods of
incorporating musicals into shows. There are several shows where within
the show the characters are mounting a musical, and that
makes it really easy to have, you know, music in
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the show. You don't have to find some weird justification
for why everyone is suddenly singing. It's actually built into
the premise of the plot itself. So the perfect example
of this, I would argue, possibly the best version of
a musical within an episode ever, is, of course, The
Night Man Cometh from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Possibly
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the best episode that has ever been made for television,
especially if you've ever been in theater. If you not
only know, let me let me amend that if you
have ever directed any musical theater. Yes, you will feel
so much sympathy for Charlie in that episode up until
the end of it. But but you'll feel so much
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sympathy because I I have directed a musical and I
was watching that thinking this is so real it hurts.
I would have to agree with you. Often always Stunny
in Philadelphia is too crass for me. But it really
was so genuine in its musical episode of of the
Nightman come with of this is how mounting a musical
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works on a community level that it was frustrating and
delighting all at the same time. UH Supernatural also had
an episode where they mounted a musical. Rather, it was
a girls school mounting a musical of the comic series
written about the Winchester brothers. Uh on On a at
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the time prophet who knew the Winchester story and was
writing about it. Yes, so the Winchesters adventures were being
written into book form. So there was within the world
of Supernatural the the other characters of Supernatural, UH knew
of the Winchesters, but a lot of people just knew
of them as the characters in this book series that
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became crazy popular. Yeah, and would argue with them about
points in their own life. But I would say the
musical and always Stendy in Philadelphia, while it was crasser,
was stronger than the one in Supernatural. Although you did
get the song single manned here in the Supernatural episode,
which was pretty brilliant. Uh, the songs weren't as strong,
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but it was pretty funny. My favorite episodes of Supernatural
are the ones where they kind of break that third
wall and play with you on how ridiculous it is
and and that was a prime example of it, when
they're making fun of themselves. Uh. And you mentioned already
crazy ex girlfriend. But I just want to give a
special shout out because that show, uh was so good.
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It was one that I didn't initially appreciate that much. Uh, Like,
I thought it was good, but I also thought it
was hard to watch and it was hard to connect
with characters. But it was a long play and the
revelations of the main character. There's a point where you
go on that journey with her and you are you
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realize why she is the way she is, and you
are way more on her side at that point than
you have been previously. And um like the fact that
the show itself didn't shy away from criticizing its own protagonist.
Like in the song She's sang, she was setting herself
up for the criticism. And it has one of my
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favorite through lines of any show that's a musical as well,
which is the Santa Anna Wins episode, only because the
actor they got to play the Santa Anna Wins, he
plays the Santa Anna Wins. He's the embodiment of them.
He's like a low key type character of mischief. Um.
And he is played by a guy who had been
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in Jersey Boys. So he's singing like Frankie Valley. He's
hitting those super high falsetto notes and he's singing about
being the winds and making people do weird stuff. And
so the the the whole thing is, it's it's the
main character who is blaming her her behaviors on external forces,
in this case the Santa Anna Wins, and the Santa
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Ana Wins at the end of it says like, no, seriously,
this is all you. I'm just here. You know like
it's you're you're the one who's making these choices, and
but it is it is legit like a joyful experience
to watch that sequence because the actor playing the Santa
Ana wins is so good at the choreography and the singing,
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and it's it's doo wop, which also hits a soft
spot in my heart. I happened to really love that genre.
Uh so, so that is Uh there's a their YouTube
videos where you can watch all the little Santa Ana
win interstitials back to back, So if you just want
to get a feel for that, you can do it.
I have watched that possibly fifty times in a row,
I don't know, but um, yeah, I'm a big fan.
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I'm a big fan of these sort of things. To
their shows that have done it poorly. Um, there are
shows that have only kind of toyed with it or
didn't even bother to explain why it happened. How I
Met your Mother, I would argue, goes in that direction,
largely because Neil Patrick Harris was in it. Yeah, Neil
Patrick Harrison also Jason Segal who loves musical stuff yes
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writes music where they famously would do the the dual
duet scene from lam is Together You just you just
got slapped. It is one of my favorite through lines
of a show. Now that we've talked about this, do
you prefer shows that are musical musical episodes or shows
where they put a musical on or have occasional musical
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bursts in I think I think as long as it's
done well, I don't really care what version it takes.
Like I as someone who loves musicals, I love the
pure musical first and foremost. That's like my favorite approach.
But they are also ones where like The Nightman Cometh,
where it's it's you know, it's the fact that they're
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putting on a musical that has its own appeal to me,
and it gets into that meta side, you know. I
mentioned in a in another episode the show Noises off
Um that that sort of thing is another meta commentary
on the process of making theater. And we see this
a lot, like we see it a lot in Hollywood,
we see it a lot in plays, we see it
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a lot in books where people are writing about the
thing that they do and that becomes the story that
plays out, which limits your audience a little bit because
if you're not someone who does that that doesn't really
matter to you, But but I I really appreciate it
from that standpoint. What about you? Yeah, I think I
like when it is sprinkled throughout here and there because
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it gives me something to look forward to, how I
met your mother. I think that's the best best of
it for me, because they'll occasionally have little musical numbers
pop up, and it's always a delight when it does,
and I know that it may not be the last one.
Whereas one I watch Buffy or Psych or Scrubs, I'm like,
this is this is going to be the one musical episode.
You might occasionally have characters who will sing something briefly,
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like Scrubs did a few times where they had the blanks,
the acapella groups singing stuff, or they would have people
singing typically a minute work song um or that or
a ratier because they did respect in the first season,
but it was more rare than something that would happen
in every episode. Yeah, no, I get it. Well, when
we come back, we're going to do a musical mash
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up of a couple of things, ourselves, taking one unjustifiably
famous musical and mashing it up with a justifiably arguably
famous piece of fiction. But first let's take a quick break. Okay,
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so we are mashing up the two properties of cats
musical a Game of Thrones. And this was a decision
that I can't remember why we made it, but we're
gonna do it now. Um. I think we decided just
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to be we needed a musical since we're talking about
musical things, and we chose to be as ridiculous as possible,
which made for really difficult time writing a mash up. Yeah,
and then we we decided to go with like something
that was truly not musical, and Game of Thrones really
fit the bill there, Um, unless you're talking about was
it add something or other? Hearan, yes, who was in
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in a couple of episodes? Um see, now here's the
thing though, I only watched the very first episode of
Game of Thrones, but I read all the books that
have been published up to this point. So for me,
like I, I tend to fall more on the books
than the television series. I know what happened in the
TV series because I'm a human being who has the
ability to access the Internet, but I wasn't following it
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uh wholeheartedly. But we should probably give a quick rundown
on what each of these things are. I call cats. Okay, okay,
So so Cats is based off of a T. S.
Eliott series of poems, has a couple of original pieces
in it too, but the poems were all individual poems
about cats and and cats that sometimes interact with dogs
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and sometimes other stuff too, But it's typically just a
bunch of poems that introduce various cats. Uh. Andrew Lloyd
Webber loved the book of poems and he grew up
reading them, and he wanted to make a musical, and
he decided along with producers, that they were going to
make a musical about cats. And then they strung together
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a bunch of mostly unrelated poems. The paul are related
in the sense that they're about cats, but they're not
like it's not like a story. They wanted to weave
them together to make a narrative. So this really is
like a jukebox musical, except in this case the jukebox
isn't songs but poems that have been set to music
and then tell the story about cats who are trying
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to reach the heavy side layer, which is this idea
of being essentially dying and being reborn into a new life.
So my friend describes it as a show where each
of the main characters takes turn introducing themselves until one
of them dies. That's pretty mean, that's pretty true. It's
not too dissimilar from Game of Thrones either, where you
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introduce a whole bunch of characters and then killed them off.
So Game of Thrones is a fantasy novel series by
George R. R. Martin. It introduces a ton of characters
and it kills them all as they're all fighting to
gain control of the kingdoms via the Iron Throne. There's dragons,
there's sexy ti times, there's not so sexy sexy times.
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There's lots of murder, and HBO made a show about Yeah,
it's it's like, it's like dark fantasy in a way,
And yeah, it involves a lot of intrigue and a
lot of betrayal and eventually will teach you the lesson
that if you're a good person, you're gonna die and
you're not like good people do not last long in
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that series, the less good you are, the more likely
old stick around, at least for a while. You'll you
will eventually die too, and they'll probably be horrible, but
you'll outlast most of the other characters. Yeah. Yeah, So
so I wanna who wants to go? Do you want
me to go first? This time? I tend to go second,
but I don't know if you want me to go
second again, you can you can go first, Okay, all right? So,
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so I have decided to do mine as a series
of unconnected uh vignettes, much like Cats and um this
is sort of my pitch for a game of Throwing
Cats crossover musical. And I'm gonna be giving you sort
of a reading of a musical. If you've seen Guttenberg
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the musical, That's exactly what I'm about to do to you,
and that I am going to, as the sole creator
of this amazing show, give you the rundown of what's happening.
So first thing you have to do is you have
to introduce the whole concept of your show and Cats.
This is done with the naming of cats. They explain
how cats are named, and so this is this is
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how I would start off the Game of Thrones Cats version.
Here he goes. The gaming of Thrones is a difficult matter.
It isn't just one of your political games. You may
think at first. The batties can't get much better, will
I tell you? Just wait for the final few frames.
First of all, there's the Starks who rule up in
snow Land. There's ned and Aria and a bunch who
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all die. I guess that's a spoiler, but that's how
it goes. Man. If I said your favorite lives, it's
probably a lie. There are other houses if you prefer
more choices. There's Targarrian, Terrail, Beratheon, and Frey. House Mormont
likes to raise up their voices and great joy sticks
around for most of the way, so you see, you
can see where that's going. See, I'm just giving you
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the the quick pitch here. But then you have to
start like really introducing your characters and getting to know
who they are now. Obviously in Game of Thrones, one
of the really important groups of characters come from the
house Lanister. Right, So I took the song the cavity,
and I made a couple of little choices. So it
goes um the Lanisters, the Landisters. There's no unlike the Landisters.
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All of them will pay their debts and throw you
from the banisters. You might meet them at King's Landing.
They're all the ways close at hand, but out of
that entire bunch, it's the short one I can stand.
So that's that's introducing the Lanisters. But you also you
also have to introduce other characters who may not be
(43:01):
around for very long. Uh. One of the characters and
cats who you get the feeling is getting real close,
probably to the end of his life as Gus the
theater cat. So I took that one and I decided
to apply it to another beloved character from the book
series who I think was given too short a treatment
in the television series. So here we go. M Kate
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is the Stark who got a raw deal. In the books,
she's a zombie. I mean that for real. In the
show she gets killed during a wedding that's read. But
in the books she's a gal who just won't stay dead.
(43:42):
That's another spoiler if you don't know about Lady Stoneheart, okay,
and then you have to go through There's a song
called Old Deuteronomy in cats Um that gives you some
information about Old Dinner on Me. I thought you also
are gonna need some songs that continue the plot and
explain magic in the world. So I just got this
really quick little snippet to kind of give you that
idea goes, well, of all things, can it be? Really? No? Yes?
(44:08):
So high? Oh my eye, my mind, baby wandering. But
I confess I believe dragons are eating my thigh. So
you know, then we got introduced the dragons into the story.
And then I you know, are there certain characters that
you just got to figure out? Like how are you
gonna throw them in there? Uh? Mr must Files in
(44:29):
Cats is a very mischievous cat, But we have a
very mischievous character in Game of Thrones. So up and
we all say, oh, well, never was there ever cats?
So clever is that jerk named little Finger? So you see,
like through the process of these songs, we will eventually
introduce everyone and then the last one will just you know,
(44:52):
kill them all off, and that way we will mesh
together Cats and and Game of Thrones. Really, Cats and
Game of Thrones are very similar, except in Game of
Thrones more than fifty of your cast has already reached
the heavy side layer before you go to intermission. Yeah
that was my take. Oh it was much better than mine.
(45:14):
We don't even have to do mine. Okay, So this
is called Mungo jaremandering for the throne. All right, I
love the title, thank you. I feel like the titles
are my strong points. So Mungo Jamie and Rumpel Cercy
lannis Per are two ambitious cats who want to rule
the Iron Throne a k a. The Heavy Side Chair.
(45:36):
Iron thrones are heavy, man. It sits in a particularly
powerful sunbeam, and it's there's It used to be the
house of bomber Athian, but he was crappit hunting and
got kicked out. Little do they know there are a
bunch of other cats who are also trying to sneak
into the lanis Per household to take the throne. Do
you have Rob Skimble, Stark Grizzle, Sandra Calico, Drogo Manka Sanza,
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rum Tum Terry and Jelly Theon Gray Joy, Charlie Bucketty Maccaveris,
Mr martel Offle's Old Bailishronomy and Jacquenanni Dots. The problem
is that there are so many of them it's hard
to keep them all straight and tell them all apart.
Fast forward through a bunch of West Side story as
cat fights and catterwalling. After the dust settles, it looks
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like Denaris Denaire hiss Tiger Gary in a flame Point
might succeed in taking the iron throne by releasing a
bunch of big lizards into the house to scare the
owners out. However, she's killed by a sad snowshoe cat
named John uh and in the end, after the cats
cause too much destruction the house. Besides, there are more
of a bird household anyhow, and none of the cats
(46:44):
get the throne. Uh. Epilogue, there's one solo cat left
on the wall in the north, singing, I'm a night's
watch solos on on this big wall with the wide
walker's gone. Now, I am cold and I'm bored. When
the day comes, maybe they'll remember I'm here now a
(47:09):
new rain has be gone beautiful, Okay, Like the names
and puns are phenomenal, and the and the throne and
the sunbeam a beautiful touch. I think I think with
that we're going to have to sign off. If you
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guys have ideas of how Game of Thrones and Cats
could be mashed up, and you think, hey, I've got
my own idea about that, you should let us know. Also,
if you have suggestions for future mashups or topics that
we should cover in our discussions about all things in
the gigo sphere. Let us know. You can reach out
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listen anymore, man, you know, Yeah, you can still d
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No one needs to get hurt here, that's all I'm saying.
That's true. We are not real life game of thrill.
So I guess it's time for us to sign off.
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So until next time, I am Jonathan Strickland and I'm
Ariel casting. The Large New Drunk Collider is a production
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of I Heart Radio and was created by Ariel Kasten.
Jonathan Strickland is the executive producer the show is produced, edited,
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