July 29, 2021 • 46 mins
It's ComicCon time so of course we have an abundance of new things to be excited about. We pare it down to our top few faves, learn we should executive produce musicals, and then mash up Ghostbusters with Galaxy Guardians.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Ner Drunk Collider Podcast is a production of
I Heart Radio. Hi everybody, Welcome to The Large Nor
Drunk Collider Podcast, the podcast that's all about the geeky
things happening in the world around us and how very
excited we are about them. I'm Aerial casting and with
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me as always is Ace reporter Jonathan Strickland. I don't
know why there's no sun up in the sky, stormy weather.
We're recording this in the middle of a big storm
in Atlanta. So if you hear thunder in the background,
that's not our producer going bonkers and adding Halloween soundscaping
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too many months early. That's the sound of thunder in
the background. Just so you know, we don't mean it.
We're gonna try our best to soldier through. However, this
does lead me to a completely unrelated question for you. Okay,
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as the heavens shake around us, Ariel, I have a question.
All right, you have been given the role of executive
producer for the next big Broadway hit, and like any
good executive producer, your plan is to take something that
people already know and turn it into a musical. So
what geeky property it can be a TV series, a
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comic book, it could be a movie. It can be,
but it has to already exist and be Geekie, what
do you turn into the next hit musical? I mean,
I think wand division. I know that that's probably not
as clever of an answer as I ought to give
because I use it for a lot of answers right now.
But I feel like it already lends itself to music. Well,
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I feel like it ought to be a musical. Yeah,
and well, and also, you know, with that particular one,
I like that that answer because you know, you think
about all the different sitcom styles that they did throughout
the show. You can imagine them doing a musical where
they do like a musical pastiche that is reminiscent of
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specific eras of musicals, like you know, like the big
Golden Age of musicals, and then like the angsty sixties
and seventies stuff that came out, and then like the
bombastic eighties musicals like Phantom and Layman Is. Like, that
could be really fun. It could be, although I wonder
if it would lose some of its innate like structure
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premise if it used original songs inste have jukebox musicals,
because it lends so heavily to pre existing properties. I
feel like it would almost need to be a jukebox musical.
And I know you and I do not super careful this.
I think you could do like parodies of like like
not not like an outright parody, but clearly inspired by
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a specific song, because I would argue that the the
sitcoms in one division, like you could tell what the
inspiration was clearly, but it wasn't like they were directly
replicating those sitcoms. That's true. My backup choice is Richard
Corman's a Fantastic Four because, by golly, that one. I
feel like Artie is a musical just without the music.
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That's all right, I like, yeah, that's the Roger Corman
but yes, yes, oh no, listen, I do it all
the time. Like after you said it, my brain was like, wait,
is that right? But that's just but no, I agree,
Fantastic Before would make an excellent musical. Okay, now what
about you Big Trouble, Little China the musical that would
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be fantastic fee would be amazing? Can I feel like
it'd be akin to Beetlejuice in the amount of stage
magic it would need to be successful. Yeah, I think
of it as something along the lines of like Evil
Dead the musical, which is one of the most over
the top gory musical has ever made. Like, I think
something along those lines will be a lot of fun,
and uh, it's fun to talk about that kind of stuff.
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It's that that's fun sort of fan discussion. A lot
of the topics we're going to talk about this week
are coming to us courtesy of Comic Con, which happened
since the last episode, And one of the things we
want to talk about at the top of the show
is a story that's, uh, you know, a sort of
frustrating one. Kevin Smith's Masters of the Universe reboots Slash
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reimagining Slash sequel uh launched the first half of the
first season launched, and a lot of fans reacted, let's say, strongly,
to it. And it has one of the most unbalanced
Rotten Tomatoes score as I've ever seen. As we record this,
the critic score is that fresh. The audience score is
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around thirty. Listen, Nature itself is angry at that because
I hear the thunder in your background. Yeah. Critically, uh,
it's it's really good, but fans just don't like the
fact that there's not as much he Man as some
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of them expected in there. Apparently. Yeah, I feel like
a big part of this is that the expectations were
subverted to a point where some of the fans got
very very mad about it, right, Like it was this
feeling that you you promised me he Man and you
took he Man away in like the first episode, and
then I get some flashbacks, but he doesn't show up
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again until episode five. Spoiler alert by the way, if
you have not watched like Arial, if you have not
watched The Masters of the Universe, Reyboot, I actually full disclosure,
I haven't watched all of it. I just know what
happens because I was following the story, and um, it
sounds to me like a lot of people kind of
jumped the gun one. They're they're reacting poorly to Tila
taking such a prominent role in the series, which by
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the way, is called Masters of the Universe, it's not
called he Man um. But a lot of people are
are saying that her character is very different from the
way it had previously been established, that the transformation doesn't
feel particularly natural, and there were some other complaints, some
of which I think might have merit, But I would
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argue that a lot of people I think are really
jumping the gun that the first half of this season
one is really setting up the hero's journey, which is
really just begun by the end of episode five, and
it's the second part of season one that will really
show us the journey UH moving forward. And Kevin Smith
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self has not shied away from addressing people's complaints. Yeah see,
I myself has have been one to say, like, if
you're not going to follow a storyline, don't call it that.
You know, I've had that. I've had that complaint with
Disney before with things like Pete Dragon. You know, they
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changed the story so much in that or or you know,
people say about the way that they changed some other
properties Pinocchio or Mary Poppins or whatnot. Call it something
new because you've changed it so much. But again, they
called it Masters of the Universe. That's just like calling
it He Man and Friends, um, and like as far
as not following to what a character sets up as
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And again, you're right, I haven't watched it yet. It
is high on my to do list. It's just been
a busy week. I feel like the original show didn't
set up a whole bunch of characters very well or
very deeply, so I'm fine with them varying from that. Personally, Yeah,
I feel the same way. Arial I think we were
going to originally do a full discussion about fan communities
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and how fans can sometimes take not just a sense
of of love of a of a property, but almost
like a sense of ownership of it, and then they
can get vindictive if they feel like there's been some
sort of failure on the part of the creators to
give the fans what it is that the fans actually want.
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It's it ends up becoming a pretty toxic part of fandom.
It's something that I've seen happened numerous times. I mean,
obviously the Star Wars fandom is infamous for this, and
I've been guilty of that myself, being someone who has
fairly low opinion of any of the movies that are
outside the original trilogy. Um, although I just say I
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don't really care for those movies as opposed to It's
ruined everything. So yeah, this is one of those stories
where it's kind of disappointing to see how it has
turned out. I think maybe if they had the full season.
From what I'm guessing, if if the full season had
premiered and not just the first half, a lot of
the issues that people would be upset about would be
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somewhat resolved. Although you probably still have a lot of
dude bros real upset that there was a chick who
was the lead character in their dude bro male power
fantasy cartoon that was a commercial for toys back in
the eighties. Yeah, because technically those dude bros, if they
don't like changing up the characters, should also really hate
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the Dolph Lunger in version of the movie. I'm just
I'm just saying, um, but who can actually hate that?
Another property that you know, if they don't get it
right fans are gonna get real, real finicky about it
is Dune. And we got a new trailer for that. Yeah,
and uh and that that trailer really drove home that
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everyone in Hollywood is cast in this movie. Oh man,
it's true. The funniest thing is re cently they released
a bunch of posters for Dune and it's got all
of the main characters faces up close. Of course, that's
all the celebrity casting, but then underneath it on social media,
I think it was on Facebook and I saw a
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poster for Aquaman or an article that had a picture
of Aquaman. I'm like, that's not Jason Momoa's character in Dune.
But I mistook the Aquaman poster for one of the
Dune posters. I guess you had to be there, but
it was very funny to me. Well, and the trailer,
I think the trailer looks beautiful. I think the cinematography
looks amazing. I think the effects look really neat. I
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think the realization of the world is really compelling. I
hope that this will translate into a truly like like
a lynch Pen science fiction film, one of those where
you point to that and say it's like this in
like two thousand one, and like you know you name,
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like the ones that are are sort of the foundations
for great science fiction films. I think this has potential
on a technical level, and it's certainly like a lot
of the actors they've cast are phenomenal actors. So I'm
really hoping that it all coalesces. So is this one
of those movies that you would have them get rid
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of all of the previous versions Version two completely reboot it,
or did you like the previous versions, like like my
theoretical would you wipe out the like a race from
Time t V? A style from Loki um Uh. I
don't you know what? I think I would probably keep
the previous version because it's such an oddity. It is
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not I wouldn't call it a great film, but it
has weird and evocative moments and I wouldn't want to
lose them. Fair enough, I do feel like this trailer,
at least now it's been a very long time since
I've read Dune. Uh, it is more similar to the
source material than that original version or the first version
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of Dune that I watched. It certainly feels that way
to me. Uh, But we'll have to wait and see.
I do think it looks like, if nothing else, it
looks like it's going to be breathtaking. But I really
do hope that they are able to evoke the same
sense of kind of wonder and epic storytelling that is
the first of the Dune novels. It probably makes me
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wonder if they're going to try and tackle the rest,
because I think the Dune books get progressively less cinematic
as they go on, like less it would be harder
to convert them into a cinematic experience. As they go on,
they might do what other properties have done, like American
Gods and or even never Ending Story, although too great
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detriment for never Ending Story, veer off in their own
creative direction within the universe. Well, we've got a couple
of other trailers we want to talk about briefly before
we go into our first break, and one of them
is a trailer for the the animated series coming out
on Adult Swim here in the US. It's also going
to be on crunchy roll and that's the Blade Runner
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Black Lotus series. And uh, what did you think of
this trailer? So? I thought the voice acting was very good.
I know we talked about the voice actors in an
earlier episode of Ellen c Um that it feels like
bad c G. I to me, Wow, I had like
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totally the opposite feeling. I felt like the fight scenes
looked amazing. They made me think of like the fight
sequences of Black Widow. Actually, okay, so the fight sequences
were good. The fights there there There was at least
one fight sequence where I went, wow, that looks really good,
which further drove home to me that when I was
watching characters bend their legs in there, and I don't.
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I mean, it's a cartoon, so of course they aren't
kind of bend like a real humans or like when
they were taught gaing. The mouths didn't quite match up,
and I'm I'm not certain whether they recorded it in
uh Japanese first or in English first, so that might
be a part of the reason the mouths don't completely
match up for me, But it does give me just
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enough on Canny Valley for it to be noticeable as
opposed to, oh, this is just a cartoon. Mhmm. Interesting.
I think I had a very different reaction, but I mean,
I totally get what you're saying. I think when I
saw it, I was thinking, this feels very much like
the world of Blade Runner, like that kind of industrial
neo uh. There's a lot of neon. There's a lot
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of like it's almost like neo retro because you've got
a lot of architecture and elements that date back to
like the early nineteen eighties but obviously projected forward. Um,
And it felt like it was true to that to me.
But I see what you're saying. I might have to
watch it again and just see. But when I saw it,
I thought I hadn't really this was on my radar,
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but it was and something I was really excited about.
But this trailer actually because we want to watch the series. Yeah,
I mean I agree that like the setting, it does
feel very accurate to Blade Runner, and it had that
very noir kind of paste to it as well. So
everything I'm feeling is is just based on art style
and maybe it was just the screen I was watching
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it on. So I'm definitely willing to give it a chance.
Something I wasn't completely on board with, but I am
now one bazillion percent on board with is Ghostbusters Afterlife.
I mean, like I was pretty sure I was going
to be on board, but the new trailer just came
out and I I could not be more smitten with it.
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The trailer was interesting. It gave a little more character.
We got to see a little bit more about the
you know, Egon's grandchildren, which is not a spoiler that's
revealed in the trailer, and uh so we got a
little bit more time with them, which was good. We
got a little bit more of the the stay puffed
marshmallow Man sequence in the Walmart is so disturbing it is.
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I'm still wondering what the tone of this movie is
going to be, like, is it going to be is
it going to have as much humor in it as
the original Ghostbusters or will it be slightly, like slightly
less on the humor side, Like it's clearly still there.
I just don't know if it's going to be like
the kind of movie where you first call it a
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comedy or if it's a you know, like thriller comedy
or horror comedy or whatever. I mean, I feel like
the original Ghostbusters it had comedy, but it felt it
still felt very situational, and this feels situational. Maybe I'm
just misremembering, but that's how it feels to me. And
then like, or at least the stuff that was really
funny to me that really landed was some some of
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the more situational humor in it, and then this one
feels that way as well. Albeit media has changed in
the last thirty forty I mean, yea yeah, A lot
of the a lot of the jokes in the original Ghostbusters,
not all of them, but a lot of them aren't
really as a cool today as as they were treated
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back in the eighties, Like there was a lot of like, no,
you know you like me kind of stuff coming from
Peter of Inkman, which would not be cool. It wasn't
cool then. It's just wasn't called out back then. But yeah,
I don't know, I'm very curious to see more of it.
I definitely want to see this movie. I am excited
to learn more about it. I thought that seeing a
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ghost trap on a uh like like on a on
a rover, like a little remote control car was kind
of a tool idea. And and seeing the couple of
cameos at least at least at minimum cameos that they
had in the trailer excited me, even though I knew
that they're going to be in the movie. Yeah, there's
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a specific voice at the very end of it that
anyone who's a fan of Ghostbusters or or I guess
skull Vodka will really recognize. But yeah, I I can't
wait for this. And here's the thing, y'all. Normally we
would have a big conversation after the break to talk
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about like some topic in geek culture, but we're just
scratching the surface of the geek news this week, so
we're going to take a quick break and when we
come back, we're going to talk about a few more headlines.
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All Right, we're back and we've got more news for you.
And this is something we've talked about a bunch on
the show, but we're going to talk about it a
little bit more, which is the pandemic pivot to movies
happening at the same time on your streaming device as
they do in the theater. Because Warner Media has come
out saying that they are going to make at least
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ten films that will debut on HBO Max the same
day they're released, and they might release in theaters. They
might even do more movies and they might release in theaters.
Is like special engagements. But they're really looking at keeping
this close release between theater and TV indefinitely. Yeah, they
they said they don't really see the possibility of going
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back to the just releasing out in theaters and it
might be, you know, eight or nine months before you
have it come out to home theater. That seems to
be a thing of the past, at least for Warner
at least for now. Now knowing that Warner is going
to have a merger with Discovery, maybe that will change
when that happens. But this is something that did upset
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a lot of directors back when they were first announcing it,
you know, back in when they were saying that the
movies for this year we're going to release simultaneously in
theaters and at home. A lot of directors didn't like
that because obviously what they working toward is creating a
piece of media that is meant to be experienced in
a theater, and they felt that that the audiences we're
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not going to get the experience that the directors were
crafting if they were watching it at home. I counter
that with I like it when people can continue to breathe,
and so with with the ongoing pandemic and the rise
of the delta variant in particular, I think that this
is really the responsible thing to do. Like some communities,
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going to the theater probably isn't that risky. Ariel and
I unfortunately live in a part of the United States
where COVID transmission rates are on the rise again, so
it's it's important to be responsible as well as you know,
support art. Yeah, it is another thing. It's not just
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the viewing the art on the big screen, which I
will admit is is important. You know, there are definitely
movies that I've said, this would have been better on
the big screen. Yeah, with the full surround sound, with
being able to see all of the detail that so
many people worked so many hours to put in. Watching
watching King Kong throw a right cross at at Godzilla,
I mean, like you just don't get that effect even
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if you have a pretty big TV. Well, and the
other thing is uh, like, for instance, when I watched
Black Widow, some of the c g I looked very
c g I, and I had a conversation with a
friend about it. A lot of times when I'm watching
television on a like an on an h D TV,
specifically not on the big screen, stuff that looks really
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amazing on a movie screen looks very fake or set
or c g I to me on a television just
because of the light and the resolution and the color
and all that. So that can definitely take you out
of it. I know for my friend it did with
Black Widow with some of the fight sequences. But also
you know, movie theaters are stressed about this because if
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it releases at the same time on TV as it
does in theater, people don't have as much of a
reason to go to the theater if they were maybe
on the fence about it, They'll just rent it at home.
You know. That happened again with Black Widow and so
I had a really great opening weekend, but then sales
kind of heatered off, and they said that that was
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you know, due to the fact that people could rent
it on Disney Plus. Now it was expensive to rent
it on Disney Plus. With HBO Max, like, we're getting done.
I don't think there's any cost to watch it. So
I'm not even sure how they're buffering that part of
the box office, to be honest. You know that when
it comes to things like figuring out how much of
a take subscription services are providing, Like you know, you
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can try and map it to the number of people
who sign up for new subscriptions, but even that's not
an apples to apples comparison. It's it's a problem that
Hollywood has been trying to grapple with for a while, because,
like Netflix has been doing this for a while, right,
Netflix keeps coming up with original programming, But how do
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you measure the success of that. I mean, Netflix has
metrics on how many people watched it, but unless it
moves the needle into how many people are subscribing and
paying month after month to have Netflix. It can start
to get hard to justify those expenses. And I think
we're gonna see a lot of media companies kind of
grapple with this. We might see things like like movie
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budgets take a big cut in the long run if
things don't, you know, level out. But yeah, might might
all become Space Jam two, which was which I think
had more commercials per second than anything else I've ever
seen in my life. Did you watch Space Jam two?
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I watched. I watched, Uh, I kind of watched commentaries
about Space Jam two. I'll be fair. I did not
watch because I I've never seen the first Space Jam,
so I don't know that jumping straight into the sequel
is really the right move for me. I wouldn't know
any of the characters or the more who's this bugs
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Bunny character? What is up? Doc? You wouldn't get the
in jokes between the first and the second one. Maybe
the joke pretty unlikely. I get the joke about bringing
in Michael B. Jordan's and instead of Michael Jordan's, which
is a great segue to our next news item. Hey, yes,
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which and also HBO, which is that Michael B. Jordan's
is working on a limited series for HBO. Uh, that's
a Superman series. Yeah, with the character of val Zod,
a character from Earth Too in d C comics. So
this is not a reimagining of Clark Kent, but rather
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the introduction of a character that has been in the
comic books but now will be in a live series.
This would not be a movie, but a series, and
uh sounds to me like it would be a really
interesting or potentially a really interesting series. Like the challenge
with Superman, of course, is always how do you create
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a compelling story for a character who has practically no weaknesses?
But I have I have a feeling that this would
be an interesting take on that. I feel like Valsad
automatically has an interesting story because in the comics he's
from Earth Too, and he takes over when Kalel is killed.
So the original the Superman we We Knew, like the
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Christopher Reeves Superman um is killed um by dark Side, which, yeah,
dark Side kills a lot of a lot of superheroes
in the comics and then they come back and sometimes
and sometimes they don't, and sometimes there's a flashpoint and
it's just, uh, you know, it's it's always interesting because
half the time when you I'm going off of any truck. Now,
half the time when I watch dark Side, either in
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like a sex neither movie or a cartoon movie that's
like straight to streaming or straight to DVD or whatever,
I'm like, half the time I'm like, oh man, dark
Side so big, bad and powerful, And half the time
I'm like, dark Side is just such a dumb dork.
I will say he has not been handled with consistency.
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That is true. But one thing I will say, as
I consistently like Michael B. Jordan's performance, and I really
liked Raising Dion, So you know, we've seen a little
bit of him both being a superhero slash supervillain and
also I don't know if you can call kill Monger supervillain,
but um yeah you can, you can, okay, And then
you know we've also seen his directorial side of superhero
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dum With Raising Dion, it was such a good it
was such a great like series. It was endearing, and
it surprised me at times, and it really dealt with
like interpersonal relationships without taking away the super aspect of it.
So like Superman, and Lois is so much at home
slice of life that it doesn't feel very supermanny to me.
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So I think he's got a really good grasp on
how to balance that. Mm hmm, agreed. And to round
out our news in this one, we had so many
like it was hard to choose which stories we're going
to talk about because for the ones that we're including
there there at least you know, ten that we didn't
touch on. But this one's close to our hearts, and
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that is that. Polygon reports that the Bone animated series
for Netflix is taking formation that they have their creative
team in place, and Bone, for those who do not know,
it was a self published comic book, started off that
way anyway that has uh, It's set in a fantasy world.
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It's kind of got an epic fantasy feel to it,
with some rather cartoonish characters who have remarkable personalities and
perseverance and bravery, and it's just a very charming fantasy story.
One of my favorite comics ever. And we were so
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excited when we first heard that this was going to
become an animated series, and now I think I'm even
more excited. Why are you more excited? Well, because the
creator of Bone has talked about how during the pandemic,
So the pandemic sidelined the production of Bone, just as
it did numerous other projects. Right, And meanwhile, here's the
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creator of Bone watching all these different animated series and saying, Wow,
I really like this person's work, and Wow, I really
like that person's work, and it wouldn't it be great
to get someone like this to work on Bone. And
he said that because of the length of the pandemic
and how that impacted everyone's schedules, it just so happened
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that he was able to get every single person who
was on his wish list to come on board and
be part of the team. So he's got a dream
and he won't he he didn't say who they were
because he said he didn't want to steal Netflix is Thunder,
but he said that the people on his wish list
are now actually working on the show. I'm I'm also
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very excited for that. I I'm interested to see if it.
I feel like Bone rides a very fine line between
being enjoyable for adults and children, and I wonder if
it will keep that or if it will lean more
towards one demographic or the other in the Netflix show.
I would love to see it kind of stay true
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to itself because I think it's the sort of thing
that had I read it when I was maybe ten
or twelve, I would have really been into But even
as an adult, I read into it and I'm like, like,
there's some elements. There's some pretty dark elements in Bone.
Nothing nothing to the point where I think it's darker
than say, Lord of the Rings, right, I think it's
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on the same sort of level as that, But Lord
the Rings does have moments that are pretty dark, especially
if you're a little kid trying to read the his
books and you're like dealing with the fact that that
major characters die and you're like, this is this is
so not the way characters and kids books like, they
don't die in kids books typically, so so that sort
of thing is uh, you know, a little rough for kids,
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but I think it would be a shame if they
strayed too far away from the tone of the original comics.
I agree. However, we're going to stray away for a
quick break, and when we come back, we are gonna
do something that I think both kids and adults would like,
gonna mash up yeah, so who are you gonna call?
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Not me? Well, after that masterful segue from my wonderful
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co host, Areal smooth as butter, we're going to We're
gonna do our mash up, now, our mash up. So
one of the other stories that we didn't really cover,
because really the story is minimal, is that, hey, Guardians
of the Galaxy's sequel has a title. It's exactly what
you thought it was gonna be. Its Guards of the
Galaxy Volume three, Like everyone knew it was going to
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be that, but now, uh, it's been confirmed that that
is in fact the title. So in case you were wondering,
but we thought we would mash that up with Ghostbusters
since we got the trailer for Ghostbusters afterlife, Um, who
you want to go first? Areal, I'll go first? All right?
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From tradition, all right, this is called Ghostbusters of the Galaxy.
The year is The Ghostbusters are all living unfulfilling lives
in New York after saving it from Gozer. However, despite
not working together any longer, Peter Ray, Egon Winston, and
Jeanine decide one night to meet up for dinner, just
for old time's sake. Dinner, However, was not off to
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a great start. The appetizers were cold and the drinks
were watery, and they were seated right next to the restroom.
Peter Vankman was the first person to get fed up
with the situation and pushed for the party to leave.
They all agreed, but as soon as they stepped out
of the restaurant, they were all blinded by a bright light.
When they could see again, they were no longer outside,
but in what Egod could only deduce was a spaceship
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of some sort. As they started to look around to
find a way to leave, they came face to face
with a whistling blue man, who, as soon as he
saw them, exclaimed, you aren't an eight year old kid?
Who the heck are you? That's really bad? You want
to impression all? Uh. Peter stepped up and said, I'm
Peter Vankman and we are the Ghostbusters. Who the hell
are you gone? So I'm yondo, replied the blue man.
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Dang get Craig Ln, you grabbed the wrong Peter. Does
this idiot look like a kid to you? Craig Ln
argued back, how the heck of ies ppposed to know?
I ain't never seen one before? Yanda screamed, well, now
we're going to have to waste our time killing these fools,
and the Ghostbusters watched in amazement as these two bizarre
creatures who they didn't think we're ghosts argued and threatened
to kill them, but just then they heard something shattered.
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The thing that shattered, it turns out, was a glass
jar full of some slime that Egon had found in
an underground series see. Egon was hoping to get the
team back together and brought it to dinner to discuss
with them. However, all of the fighting between Yonda and
Craggling causes time to grow and burst out of its container,
and Egon stuff will and start to expand. Ray yelled,
you brought volatile ghost stuff into a restaurant, Egon. That's
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not sanitary, and the Ghostbusters started to argue too. Janine,
who was also along for this inane ride, figured she
ought to pipe in. Hey I'm Janine, she stated, but
no one seemed to hear her. I am Janine, she
stated again, before realizing nobody cared and she was stuck
in space with a bunch of idiots, so she just
shook her head in frustration. As a room filled with
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more and more arguing and negative emotion. The slime continued
to expand until they exploded into space, but as it
did so, the whole of the spaceship filled with hundreds
of angry dead ghosts of yon DU's former crewmates who
had been dispatched in one way or or another, and
they started to close in around yond He called his
fancy arrow thing, but it seemed to not phase the
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ghosts at all, and Peter saw his opportunity. He offered
to help rescue Yonder from the eventual ghosts if Yondu
would not kill them and return them home. Yondo said deal,
and so the ghostbusters ran around the ship to make
some makeshift proton packs and busted all the ghosts, at
which point Yonda agreed to send them home. Winston, excited
about being back at their ghostbusting ways and less than
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eager to return to being a bad children's performers, said,
you know, some of that slime did escape the ship.
It would be irresponsible to leave it out there doing
who knows what, and Peter said, yeah, I'm not in
a rush to get home either. Hey, Gonzo, can we
have a ship? Um? Hey, Egon, can you pilot a
ship up, and Yonda agreed it was the least he
could do, so he outfitted the Ghostbusters to stop the slime.
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Just then, Cragland noticed the ignored party member. He waggled
his eyebrow at her and said, so, who are you,
sweet stuff? And she sighed and said yet again, I'm Janine.
As a Ghostbusters suited up and launched into space, they
find a tape in the ship's dash. They pop it
in and their theme begins to play. We cut to
this slime, ever growing, zooming through space, and millions of
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space ghosts popping up around it. As the slime reaches
the horizon, however, it's all of a sudden eaten by
another huge object hurtling towards us, a giant stay phuffed
marshmallow Man, the Devourer of Worlds. I like your version
of Galactus. Thank you. I can't wait to meet their herald.
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Uh yeah, I did set it up for a sequel
or three. That's great. You always have to do that, Okay, alright,
mine is called Ghostbusters of the Galaxy. I mean, what
else are we gonna call it? Here we go. Peter
quill A k A star lord, has a problem. Actually
he has several problems. One is that Gomera, the woman
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he cares about, has run off because she's actually a
Gomura from another timeline, and it would take too long
to get into all of it. But another problem is
that he and the remaining Guardians of the Galaxy have
found themselves stranded in New York City as their ship,
the ben Attar, is in serious need of repairs. It's
currently perched, some might say, teetering on the top of
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Avenger's tower. Rocket and Groot are working on it, but
they need parts, and it turns out Earth isn't the
best planet to land on if you need to overhaul
your intergalactic transmission. Parts cost money, and they are fresh
out of Earth bucks. So the crew comes to the
conclusion that one of them needs to get a job,
and that one is Peter because he's human mostly, I mean,
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he's half human. It would take too long to get
into that too. Peter is not thrilled about this. He
knows the private sector expects results. But then he sees
an ad in the paper. An extermination company is looking
to hire, but not just any extermination company, it's one
called the Ghostbusters. Quill makes his way to an old
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fire fighting station and finds the Ghostbusters HQ, and he
walks in and immediately applies for the job, whereupon he's
accepted without hesitation. Uh so I don't need to do
an interview or anything, he says. Listen, kids says the
office manager looks like you got most of your parts
and you can carry some weight, so you're hired. Will
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is then brought into a conference room with a big
screen in it, and before he knows that he's watching
an orientation video, and on the screen are these four
shlubby guys and even shlubby or cover rolls carrying ridiculous
huge equipment. And they explained that they founded the company
back in the eighties and that things got really wild,
and then they quieted down a bit, but eventually ghosts
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began popping up again, and so they franchised the company
and now they take more of a behind the scenes role. Quill,
barely paying attention, gets through the orientation and next thing
he knows, he's given his own set of coveralls, which
he reluctantly puts on. And then the call comes in
and Quill finds himself jostled into a group with three
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other ghostbusters. There's um shoot. I should name them Benny
and Roberta and Dominique first time, says Dominique, who is
clearly the sympathetic one. We're setting up here fighting ghosts.
No no, I thought ghost slots of times, just you know,
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not here on earth, says Quill. Mhm, says Dominique. Well,
let's consider this a ride along until you get your
feet under you. So Quill is whisked off to get
inside this weird station wagon like car. It's called the
Ecto eighteen, and they rush off to an apartment building
on top of a deli, and apparently there's some rat
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king ghost up there, you know, rat kings. They get
their tails all nodded together and they begin this terrifying
ball of rats. Anyway, there's a ghost one roaming this building.
So the Ghostbusters, including Quill, go in and Dominique hands
Quill a ghost trap. When I signal, you slide this
under the ghost, she says, and Quill nods in. The
group hunts down the ghost, using p k e meters
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to track it down, and they find the rat king
ghost at the end of the hallway, and the ghostbusters
all whip out their little proton wants and these days.
They're much smaller than the nineteen eighties models, but they
still pack a huge energy punch, with that wibbly wobbly
lines of proton energy that can cleave you in Twain.
And so Quill has to dodge a couple of times
as the rat king ghost and the proton beams fly around.
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It's real funny now, yells Dominique, and the rat king
ghost gets trapped in some beams and Quill slides the
trap under it, and the trap opens up in a
bright light shines and Quill is temporarily blinded, and the
team nabs their ghost. Not bad rookie's, Dominique. You didn't
even freeze out there. Most folks split the first time
to see a ghost. Wasn't my first time, says Quill,
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who is totally facing the wrong direction over here. Buddy,
your site will come back. Just give it a little time,
says Dominique, and that begins Quill's short career as a ghostbuster.
We then get a montage of him going on different
calls using a proton wand at first very ineffectively because
the power gets away from them. He causes way too
much collateral damage, but gradually he gets to the point
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where he's almost competent with it, and then we also
see him getting checks, which he then sheepishly hands over
to Rocket and Groot to take it to, presumably by
parts for the ship. And then we also see montages
of Rocket and Grout getting new threads and sunglasses, and
Groot gets a new Nintendo switch and stuff, but they
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always hide it whenever Quill comes back around. We pick
up a against sometime later, and several weeks have gone by,
and Quill is crawling through these air ducts quietly, and
there's this creepy music playing, and he's getting the drop
on a musical ghost that's haunting a Broadway stage. It's
floating close to the stage is ghost light, and it's
singing old show tune standards. And just as he's about
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to get to event where he plans to open up
the vent and then just shoot this ghost from above,
the duct work gives way and he crashes down twenty
ft to the stage. But this is Marvel, and characters
can fall a very long way without actually getting hurt
unless they pass a certain threshold, at which point they
totally die, and there's no way that version of the
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character is ever coming back. Fortunately, that high is actually
higher than twenty feet, so he's okay. What follows is
a musical battle as the Ghost and Quill do this
crazy awesome duet of you're the one that I want
from Greece, but it ends with Quill single handedly zapping
the Ghost in trapfingeer take a bow, sis, he says
to no one. Then we see him return to Avenger's
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Tower with his most recent paycheck, and Drax sees him
before he goes to meet with Rocket and Groot. When
do we leave this place? Says Drags. Jack's come on,
you know we have to fix the ship, says Quill.
The furry one fixed the ship. It has been fixed
for twenty earth days, says Drags. Wait they fixed the ship,
says Quill. Yes, how are you so bad at the
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language you grew up with? Asks Drags. Quill stomps over
to the ship. Oh, says Rocket. I am Groot, says
Groot apologetically. I don't want to hear it from you,
says Quill to group. He points at Rocket. You are
in so much trouble. Hey, I can explain, says Rocket,
and after a moment of Quill staring at him, Rocket
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says I really wanted a leather jacket, but I was
a bit short, So like, if you have that paycheck,
quill ushers them into the ship. Then the process he
slaps a sticker on the side of the Benettar, a
sticker with a ghost in the middle of a circle
with a slash across it. Ben at are a k A.
The Ecto nineteen becomes the ship for the Ghostbusters of
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the Galaxy. We get credits and some cool eighties music
on top of pictures of the crew all dressed in
cover roles and fighting space ghosts, including space ghost the end. Oh,
I absolutely loved it. Um, thanks for ruining Guardians of
the Galaxy Volume three for me, but I still absolutely
loved it. Yeah. Go Moura ironically doesn't show up in
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it at all. Yeah, but you do get space ghosts,
so there's something right, you might get brack, you know
who knows. I almost put space ghost specific in mind
instead of just a bunch of generic space ghosts as well,
but now I'm glad I didn't. Yeah. No, when you
were getting to the space ghost part, I was like, oh,
we might both have the same joke, And that's the
way that I end mine, But yeah, this one was fun.
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I mean obviously, like both Ghostbusters and Guardians of the
Galaxy have those comedic elements to them, so they both
kind of lend themselves to zany humor, particularly humor at
the expense of the protagonist, right, Like like like the Guardians
of the Galaxy movies frequently have Peter Quill getting it
way over his head and that's part of the comedy.
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It's very similar to stuff you would see in like
Indiana Jones movies. It's one of those things that really
appeals to me. I agree it appeals to me as well. Well,
if it appeals to you and you've got your own
version of how you think these two properties would be
mashed up, you should write us and tell us it. Jonathan,
how can they do that, Well, they can send us
an email. The email addresses l n C at I
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We're fans like you, like we consider ourselves fans of you.
We like that thing you do. It's so true. Still
stuck on Broadway, huh. Anyhow well that was a Hollywood musical,
but okay, all right, Well until next time. I am
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I Heart Radio. Hi everybody, Welcome to The Large Nor
Drunk Collider Podcast, the podcast that's all about the geeky
things happening in the world around us and how very
excited we are about them. I'm Aerial casting and with
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me as always is Ace reporter Jonathan Strickland. I don't
know why there's no sun up in the sky, stormy weather.
We're recording this in the middle of a big storm
in Atlanta. So if you hear thunder in the background,
that's not our producer going bonkers and adding Halloween soundscaping
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too many months early. That's the sound of thunder in
the background. Just so you know, we don't mean it.
We're gonna try our best to soldier through. However, this
does lead me to a completely unrelated question for you. Okay,
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as the heavens shake around us, Ariel, I have a question.
All right, you have been given the role of executive
producer for the next big Broadway hit, and like any
good executive producer, your plan is to take something that
people already know and turn it into a musical. So
what geeky property it can be a TV series, a
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comic book, it could be a movie. It can be,
but it has to already exist and be Geekie, what
do you turn into the next hit musical? I mean,
I think wand division. I know that that's probably not
as clever of an answer as I ought to give
because I use it for a lot of answers right now.
But I feel like it already lends itself to music. Well,
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I feel like it ought to be a musical. Yeah,
and well, and also, you know, with that particular one,
I like that that answer because you know, you think
about all the different sitcom styles that they did throughout
the show. You can imagine them doing a musical where
they do like a musical pastiche that is reminiscent of
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specific eras of musicals, like you know, like the big
Golden Age of musicals, and then like the angsty sixties
and seventies stuff that came out, and then like the
bombastic eighties musicals like Phantom and Layman Is. Like, that
could be really fun. It could be, although I wonder
if it would lose some of its innate like structure
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premise if it used original songs inste have jukebox musicals,
because it lends so heavily to pre existing properties. I
feel like it would almost need to be a jukebox musical.
And I know you and I do not super careful this.
I think you could do like parodies of like like
not not like an outright parody, but clearly inspired by
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a specific song, because I would argue that the the
sitcoms in one division, like you could tell what the
inspiration was clearly, but it wasn't like they were directly
replicating those sitcoms. That's true. My backup choice is Richard
Corman's a Fantastic Four because, by golly, that one. I
feel like Artie is a musical just without the music.
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That's all right, I like, yeah, that's the Roger Corman
but yes, yes, oh no, listen, I do it all
the time. Like after you said it, my brain was like, wait,
is that right? But that's just but no, I agree,
Fantastic Before would make an excellent musical. Okay, now what
about you Big Trouble, Little China the musical that would
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be fantastic fee would be amazing? Can I feel like
it'd be akin to Beetlejuice in the amount of stage
magic it would need to be successful. Yeah, I think
of it as something along the lines of like Evil
Dead the musical, which is one of the most over
the top gory musical has ever made. Like, I think
something along those lines will be a lot of fun,
and uh, it's fun to talk about that kind of stuff.
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It's that that's fun sort of fan discussion. A lot
of the topics we're going to talk about this week
are coming to us courtesy of Comic Con, which happened
since the last episode, And one of the things we
want to talk about at the top of the show
is a story that's, uh, you know, a sort of
frustrating one. Kevin Smith's Masters of the Universe reboots Slash
(04:43):
reimagining Slash sequel uh launched the first half of the
first season launched, and a lot of fans reacted, let's say, strongly,
to it. And it has one of the most unbalanced
Rotten Tomatoes score as I've ever seen. As we record this,
the critic score is that fresh. The audience score is
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around thirty. Listen, Nature itself is angry at that because
I hear the thunder in your background. Yeah. Critically, uh,
it's it's really good, but fans just don't like the
fact that there's not as much he Man as some
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of them expected in there. Apparently. Yeah, I feel like
a big part of this is that the expectations were
subverted to a point where some of the fans got
very very mad about it, right, Like it was this
feeling that you you promised me he Man and you
took he Man away in like the first episode, and
then I get some flashbacks, but he doesn't show up
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again until episode five. Spoiler alert by the way, if
you have not watched like Arial, if you have not
watched The Masters of the Universe, Reyboot, I actually full disclosure,
I haven't watched all of it. I just know what
happens because I was following the story, and um, it
sounds to me like a lot of people kind of
jumped the gun one. They're they're reacting poorly to Tila
taking such a prominent role in the series, which by
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the way, is called Masters of the Universe, it's not
called he Man um. But a lot of people are
are saying that her character is very different from the
way it had previously been established, that the transformation doesn't
feel particularly natural, and there were some other complaints, some
of which I think might have merit, But I would
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argue that a lot of people I think are really
jumping the gun that the first half of this season
one is really setting up the hero's journey, which is
really just begun by the end of episode five, and
it's the second part of season one that will really
show us the journey UH moving forward. And Kevin Smith
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self has not shied away from addressing people's complaints. Yeah see,
I myself has have been one to say, like, if
you're not going to follow a storyline, don't call it that.
You know, I've had that. I've had that complaint with
Disney before with things like Pete Dragon. You know, they
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changed the story so much in that or or you know,
people say about the way that they changed some other
properties Pinocchio or Mary Poppins or whatnot. Call it something
new because you've changed it so much. But again, they
called it Masters of the Universe. That's just like calling
it He Man and Friends, um, and like as far
as not following to what a character sets up as
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And again, you're right, I haven't watched it yet. It
is high on my to do list. It's just been
a busy week. I feel like the original show didn't
set up a whole bunch of characters very well or
very deeply, so I'm fine with them varying from that. Personally, Yeah,
I feel the same way. Arial I think we were
going to originally do a full discussion about fan communities
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and how fans can sometimes take not just a sense
of of love of a of a property, but almost
like a sense of ownership of it, and then they
can get vindictive if they feel like there's been some
sort of failure on the part of the creators to
give the fans what it is that the fans actually want.
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It's it ends up becoming a pretty toxic part of fandom.
It's something that I've seen happened numerous times. I mean,
obviously the Star Wars fandom is infamous for this, and
I've been guilty of that myself, being someone who has
fairly low opinion of any of the movies that are
outside the original trilogy. Um, although I just say I
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don't really care for those movies as opposed to It's
ruined everything. So yeah, this is one of those stories
where it's kind of disappointing to see how it has
turned out. I think maybe if they had the full season.
From what I'm guessing, if if the full season had
premiered and not just the first half, a lot of
the issues that people would be upset about would be
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somewhat resolved. Although you probably still have a lot of
dude bros real upset that there was a chick who
was the lead character in their dude bro male power
fantasy cartoon that was a commercial for toys back in
the eighties. Yeah, because technically those dude bros, if they
don't like changing up the characters, should also really hate
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the Dolph Lunger in version of the movie. I'm just
I'm just saying, um, but who can actually hate that?
Another property that you know, if they don't get it
right fans are gonna get real, real finicky about it
is Dune. And we got a new trailer for that. Yeah,
and uh and that that trailer really drove home that
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everyone in Hollywood is cast in this movie. Oh man,
it's true. The funniest thing is re cently they released
a bunch of posters for Dune and it's got all
of the main characters faces up close. Of course, that's
all the celebrity casting, but then underneath it on social media,
I think it was on Facebook and I saw a
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poster for Aquaman or an article that had a picture
of Aquaman. I'm like, that's not Jason Momoa's character in Dune.
But I mistook the Aquaman poster for one of the
Dune posters. I guess you had to be there, but
it was very funny to me. Well, and the trailer,
I think the trailer looks beautiful. I think the cinematography
looks amazing. I think the effects look really neat. I
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think the realization of the world is really compelling. I
hope that this will translate into a truly like like
a lynch Pen science fiction film, one of those where
you point to that and say it's like this in
like two thousand one, and like you know you name,
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like the ones that are are sort of the foundations
for great science fiction films. I think this has potential
on a technical level, and it's certainly like a lot
of the actors they've cast are phenomenal actors. So I'm
really hoping that it all coalesces. So is this one
of those movies that you would have them get rid
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of all of the previous versions Version two completely reboot it,
or did you like the previous versions, like like my
theoretical would you wipe out the like a race from
Time t V? A style from Loki um Uh. I
don't you know what? I think I would probably keep
the previous version because it's such an oddity. It is
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not I wouldn't call it a great film, but it
has weird and evocative moments and I wouldn't want to
lose them. Fair enough, I do feel like this trailer,
at least now it's been a very long time since
I've read Dune. Uh, it is more similar to the
source material than that original version or the first version
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of Dune that I watched. It certainly feels that way
to me. Uh, But we'll have to wait and see.
I do think it looks like, if nothing else, it
looks like it's going to be breathtaking. But I really
do hope that they are able to evoke the same
sense of kind of wonder and epic storytelling that is
the first of the Dune novels. It probably makes me
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wonder if they're going to try and tackle the rest,
because I think the Dune books get progressively less cinematic
as they go on, like less it would be harder
to convert them into a cinematic experience. As they go on,
they might do what other properties have done, like American
Gods and or even never Ending Story, although too great
(12:50):
detriment for never Ending Story, veer off in their own
creative direction within the universe. Well, we've got a couple
of other trailers we want to talk about briefly before
we go into our first break, and one of them
is a trailer for the the animated series coming out
on Adult Swim here in the US. It's also going
to be on crunchy roll and that's the Blade Runner
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Black Lotus series. And uh, what did you think of
this trailer? So? I thought the voice acting was very good.
I know we talked about the voice actors in an
earlier episode of Ellen c Um that it feels like
bad c G. I to me, Wow, I had like
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totally the opposite feeling. I felt like the fight scenes
looked amazing. They made me think of like the fight
sequences of Black Widow. Actually, okay, so the fight sequences
were good. The fights there there There was at least
one fight sequence where I went, wow, that looks really good,
which further drove home to me that when I was
watching characters bend their legs in there, and I don't.
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I mean, it's a cartoon, so of course they aren't
kind of bend like a real humans or like when
they were taught gaing. The mouths didn't quite match up,
and I'm I'm not certain whether they recorded it in
uh Japanese first or in English first, so that might
be a part of the reason the mouths don't completely
match up for me, But it does give me just
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enough on Canny Valley for it to be noticeable as
opposed to, oh, this is just a cartoon. Mhmm. Interesting.
I think I had a very different reaction, but I mean,
I totally get what you're saying. I think when I
saw it, I was thinking, this feels very much like
the world of Blade Runner, like that kind of industrial
neo uh. There's a lot of neon. There's a lot
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of like it's almost like neo retro because you've got
a lot of architecture and elements that date back to
like the early nineteen eighties but obviously projected forward. Um,
And it felt like it was true to that to me.
But I see what you're saying. I might have to
watch it again and just see. But when I saw it,
I thought I hadn't really this was on my radar,
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but it was and something I was really excited about.
But this trailer actually because we want to watch the series. Yeah,
I mean I agree that like the setting, it does
feel very accurate to Blade Runner, and it had that
very noir kind of paste to it as well. So
everything I'm feeling is is just based on art style
and maybe it was just the screen I was watching
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it on. So I'm definitely willing to give it a chance.
Something I wasn't completely on board with, but I am
now one bazillion percent on board with is Ghostbusters Afterlife.
I mean, like I was pretty sure I was going
to be on board, but the new trailer just came
out and I I could not be more smitten with it.
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The trailer was interesting. It gave a little more character.
We got to see a little bit more about the
you know, Egon's grandchildren, which is not a spoiler that's
revealed in the trailer, and uh so we got a
little bit more time with them, which was good. We
got a little bit more of the the stay puffed
marshmallow Man sequence in the Walmart is so disturbing it is.
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I'm still wondering what the tone of this movie is
going to be, like, is it going to be is
it going to have as much humor in it as
the original Ghostbusters or will it be slightly, like slightly
less on the humor side, Like it's clearly still there.
I just don't know if it's going to be like
the kind of movie where you first call it a
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comedy or if it's a you know, like thriller comedy
or horror comedy or whatever. I mean, I feel like
the original Ghostbusters it had comedy, but it felt it
still felt very situational, and this feels situational. Maybe I'm
just misremembering, but that's how it feels to me. And
then like, or at least the stuff that was really
funny to me that really landed was some some of
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the more situational humor in it, and then this one
feels that way as well. Albeit media has changed in
the last thirty forty I mean, yea yeah, A lot
of the a lot of the jokes in the original Ghostbusters,
not all of them, but a lot of them aren't
really as a cool today as as they were treated
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back in the eighties, Like there was a lot of like, no,
you know you like me kind of stuff coming from
Peter of Inkman, which would not be cool. It wasn't
cool then. It's just wasn't called out back then. But yeah,
I don't know, I'm very curious to see more of it.
I definitely want to see this movie. I am excited
to learn more about it. I thought that seeing a
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ghost trap on a uh like like on a on
a rover, like a little remote control car was kind
of a tool idea. And and seeing the couple of
cameos at least at least at minimum cameos that they
had in the trailer excited me, even though I knew
that they're going to be in the movie. Yeah, there's
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a specific voice at the very end of it that
anyone who's a fan of Ghostbusters or or I guess
skull Vodka will really recognize. But yeah, I I can't
wait for this. And here's the thing, y'all. Normally we
would have a big conversation after the break to talk
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about like some topic in geek culture, but we're just
scratching the surface of the geek news this week, so
we're going to take a quick break and when we
come back, we're going to talk about a few more headlines.
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All Right, we're back and we've got more news for you.
And this is something we've talked about a bunch on
the show, but we're going to talk about it a
little bit more, which is the pandemic pivot to movies
happening at the same time on your streaming device as
they do in the theater. Because Warner Media has come
out saying that they are going to make at least
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ten films that will debut on HBO Max the same
day they're released, and they might release in theaters. They
might even do more movies and they might release in theaters.
Is like special engagements. But they're really looking at keeping
this close release between theater and TV indefinitely. Yeah, they
they said they don't really see the possibility of going
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back to the just releasing out in theaters and it
might be, you know, eight or nine months before you
have it come out to home theater. That seems to
be a thing of the past, at least for Warner
at least for now. Now knowing that Warner is going
to have a merger with Discovery, maybe that will change
when that happens. But this is something that did upset
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a lot of directors back when they were first announcing it,
you know, back in when they were saying that the
movies for this year we're going to release simultaneously in
theaters and at home. A lot of directors didn't like
that because obviously what they working toward is creating a
piece of media that is meant to be experienced in
a theater, and they felt that that the audiences we're
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not going to get the experience that the directors were
crafting if they were watching it at home. I counter
that with I like it when people can continue to breathe,
and so with with the ongoing pandemic and the rise
of the delta variant in particular, I think that this
is really the responsible thing to do. Like some communities,
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going to the theater probably isn't that risky. Ariel and
I unfortunately live in a part of the United States
where COVID transmission rates are on the rise again, so
it's it's important to be responsible as well as you know,
support art. Yeah, it is another thing. It's not just
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the viewing the art on the big screen, which I
will admit is is important. You know, there are definitely
movies that I've said, this would have been better on
the big screen. Yeah, with the full surround sound, with
being able to see all of the detail that so
many people worked so many hours to put in. Watching
watching King Kong throw a right cross at at Godzilla,
I mean, like you just don't get that effect even
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if you have a pretty big TV. Well, and the
other thing is uh, like, for instance, when I watched
Black Widow, some of the c g I looked very
c g I, and I had a conversation with a
friend about it. A lot of times when I'm watching
television on a like an on an h D TV,
specifically not on the big screen, stuff that looks really
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amazing on a movie screen looks very fake or set
or c g I to me on a television just
because of the light and the resolution and the color
and all that. So that can definitely take you out
of it. I know for my friend it did with
Black Widow with some of the fight sequences. But also
you know, movie theaters are stressed about this because if
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it releases at the same time on TV as it
does in theater, people don't have as much of a
reason to go to the theater if they were maybe
on the fence about it, They'll just rent it at home.
You know. That happened again with Black Widow and so
I had a really great opening weekend, but then sales
kind of heatered off, and they said that that was
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you know, due to the fact that people could rent
it on Disney Plus. Now it was expensive to rent
it on Disney Plus. With HBO Max, like, we're getting done.
I don't think there's any cost to watch it. So
I'm not even sure how they're buffering that part of
the box office, to be honest. You know that when
it comes to things like figuring out how much of
a take subscription services are providing, Like you know, you
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can try and map it to the number of people
who sign up for new subscriptions, but even that's not
an apples to apples comparison. It's it's a problem that
Hollywood has been trying to grapple with for a while, because,
like Netflix has been doing this for a while, right,
Netflix keeps coming up with original programming, But how do
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you measure the success of that. I mean, Netflix has
metrics on how many people watched it, but unless it
moves the needle into how many people are subscribing and
paying month after month to have Netflix. It can start
to get hard to justify those expenses. And I think
we're gonna see a lot of media companies kind of
grapple with this. We might see things like like movie
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budgets take a big cut in the long run if
things don't, you know, level out. But yeah, might might
all become Space Jam two, which was which I think
had more commercials per second than anything else I've ever
seen in my life. Did you watch Space Jam two?
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I watched. I watched, Uh, I kind of watched commentaries
about Space Jam two. I'll be fair. I did not
watch because I I've never seen the first Space Jam,
so I don't know that jumping straight into the sequel
is really the right move for me. I wouldn't know
any of the characters or the more who's this bugs
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Bunny character? What is up? Doc? You wouldn't get the
in jokes between the first and the second one. Maybe
the joke pretty unlikely. I get the joke about bringing
in Michael B. Jordan's and instead of Michael Jordan's, which
is a great segue to our next news item. Hey, yes,
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which and also HBO, which is that Michael B. Jordan's
is working on a limited series for HBO. Uh, that's
a Superman series. Yeah, with the character of val Zod,
a character from Earth Too in d C comics. So
this is not a reimagining of Clark Kent, but rather
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the introduction of a character that has been in the
comic books but now will be in a live series.
This would not be a movie, but a series, and
uh sounds to me like it would be a really
interesting or potentially a really interesting series. Like the challenge
with Superman, of course, is always how do you create
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a compelling story for a character who has practically no weaknesses?
But I have I have a feeling that this would
be an interesting take on that. I feel like Valsad
automatically has an interesting story because in the comics he's
from Earth Too, and he takes over when Kalel is killed.
So the original the Superman we We Knew, like the
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Christopher Reeves Superman um is killed um by dark Side, which, yeah,
dark Side kills a lot of a lot of superheroes
in the comics and then they come back and sometimes
and sometimes they don't, and sometimes there's a flashpoint and
it's just, uh, you know, it's it's always interesting because
half the time when you I'm going off of any truck. Now,
half the time when I watch dark Side, either in
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like a sex neither movie or a cartoon movie that's
like straight to streaming or straight to DVD or whatever,
I'm like, half the time I'm like, oh man, dark
Side so big, bad and powerful, And half the time
I'm like, dark Side is just such a dumb dork.
I will say he has not been handled with consistency.
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That is true. But one thing I will say, as
I consistently like Michael B. Jordan's performance, and I really
liked Raising Dion, So you know, we've seen a little
bit of him both being a superhero slash supervillain and
also I don't know if you can call kill Monger supervillain,
but um yeah you can, you can, okay, And then
you know we've also seen his directorial side of superhero
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dum With Raising Dion, it was such a good it
was such a great like series. It was endearing, and
it surprised me at times, and it really dealt with
like interpersonal relationships without taking away the super aspect of it.
So like Superman, and Lois is so much at home
slice of life that it doesn't feel very supermanny to me.
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So I think he's got a really good grasp on
how to balance that. Mm hmm, agreed. And to round
out our news in this one, we had so many
like it was hard to choose which stories we're going
to talk about because for the ones that we're including
there there at least you know, ten that we didn't
touch on. But this one's close to our hearts, and
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that is that. Polygon reports that the Bone animated series
for Netflix is taking formation that they have their creative
team in place, and Bone, for those who do not know,
it was a self published comic book, started off that
way anyway that has uh, It's set in a fantasy world.
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It's kind of got an epic fantasy feel to it,
with some rather cartoonish characters who have remarkable personalities and
perseverance and bravery, and it's just a very charming fantasy story.
One of my favorite comics ever. And we were so
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excited when we first heard that this was going to
become an animated series, and now I think I'm even
more excited. Why are you more excited? Well, because the
creator of Bone has talked about how during the pandemic,
So the pandemic sidelined the production of Bone, just as
it did numerous other projects. Right, And meanwhile, here's the
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creator of Bone watching all these different animated series and saying, Wow,
I really like this person's work, and Wow, I really
like that person's work, and it wouldn't it be great
to get someone like this to work on Bone. And
he said that because of the length of the pandemic
and how that impacted everyone's schedules, it just so happened
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that he was able to get every single person who
was on his wish list to come on board and
be part of the team. So he's got a dream
and he won't he he didn't say who they were
because he said he didn't want to steal Netflix is Thunder,
but he said that the people on his wish list
are now actually working on the show. I'm I'm also
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very excited for that. I I'm interested to see if it.
I feel like Bone rides a very fine line between
being enjoyable for adults and children, and I wonder if
it will keep that or if it will lean more
towards one demographic or the other in the Netflix show.
I would love to see it kind of stay true
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to itself because I think it's the sort of thing
that had I read it when I was maybe ten
or twelve, I would have really been into But even
as an adult, I read into it and I'm like, like,
there's some elements. There's some pretty dark elements in Bone.
Nothing nothing to the point where I think it's darker
than say, Lord of the Rings, right, I think it's
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on the same sort of level as that, But Lord
the Rings does have moments that are pretty dark, especially
if you're a little kid trying to read the his
books and you're like dealing with the fact that that
major characters die and you're like, this is this is
so not the way characters and kids books like, they
don't die in kids books typically, so so that sort
of thing is uh, you know, a little rough for kids,
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but I think it would be a shame if they
strayed too far away from the tone of the original comics.
I agree. However, we're going to stray away for a
quick break, and when we come back, we are gonna
do something that I think both kids and adults would like,
gonna mash up yeah, so who are you gonna call?
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Not me? Well, after that masterful segue from my wonderful
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co host, Areal smooth as butter, we're going to We're
gonna do our mash up, now, our mash up. So
one of the other stories that we didn't really cover,
because really the story is minimal, is that, hey, Guardians
of the Galaxy's sequel has a title. It's exactly what
you thought it was gonna be. Its Guards of the
Galaxy Volume three, Like everyone knew it was going to
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be that, but now, uh, it's been confirmed that that
is in fact the title. So in case you were wondering,
but we thought we would mash that up with Ghostbusters
since we got the trailer for Ghostbusters afterlife, Um, who
you want to go first? Areal, I'll go first? All right?
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From tradition, all right, this is called Ghostbusters of the Galaxy.
The year is The Ghostbusters are all living unfulfilling lives
in New York after saving it from Gozer. However, despite
not working together any longer, Peter Ray, Egon Winston, and
Jeanine decide one night to meet up for dinner, just
for old time's sake. Dinner, However, was not off to
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a great start. The appetizers were cold and the drinks
were watery, and they were seated right next to the restroom.
Peter Vankman was the first person to get fed up
with the situation and pushed for the party to leave.
They all agreed, but as soon as they stepped out
of the restaurant, they were all blinded by a bright light.
When they could see again, they were no longer outside,
but in what Egod could only deduce was a spaceship
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of some sort. As they started to look around to
find a way to leave, they came face to face
with a whistling blue man, who, as soon as he
saw them, exclaimed, you aren't an eight year old kid?
Who the heck are you? That's really bad? You want
to impression all? Uh. Peter stepped up and said, I'm
Peter Vankman and we are the Ghostbusters. Who the hell
are you gone? So I'm yondo, replied the blue man.
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Dang get Craig Ln, you grabbed the wrong Peter. Does
this idiot look like a kid to you? Craig Ln
argued back, how the heck of ies ppposed to know?
I ain't never seen one before? Yanda screamed, well, now
we're going to have to waste our time killing these fools,
and the Ghostbusters watched in amazement as these two bizarre
creatures who they didn't think we're ghosts argued and threatened
to kill them, but just then they heard something shattered.
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The thing that shattered, it turns out, was a glass
jar full of some slime that Egon had found in
an underground series see. Egon was hoping to get the
team back together and brought it to dinner to discuss
with them. However, all of the fighting between Yonda and
Craggling causes time to grow and burst out of its container,
and Egon stuff will and start to expand. Ray yelled,
you brought volatile ghost stuff into a restaurant, Egon. That's
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not sanitary, and the Ghostbusters started to argue too. Janine,
who was also along for this inane ride, figured she
ought to pipe in. Hey I'm Janine, she stated, but
no one seemed to hear her. I am Janine, she
stated again, before realizing nobody cared and she was stuck
in space with a bunch of idiots, so she just
shook her head in frustration. As a room filled with
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more and more arguing and negative emotion. The slime continued
to expand until they exploded into space, but as it
did so, the whole of the spaceship filled with hundreds
of angry dead ghosts of yon DU's former crewmates who
had been dispatched in one way or or another, and
they started to close in around yond He called his
fancy arrow thing, but it seemed to not phase the
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ghosts at all, and Peter saw his opportunity. He offered
to help rescue Yonder from the eventual ghosts if Yondu
would not kill them and return them home. Yondo said deal,
and so the ghostbusters ran around the ship to make
some makeshift proton packs and busted all the ghosts, at
which point Yonda agreed to send them home. Winston, excited
about being back at their ghostbusting ways and less than
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eager to return to being a bad children's performers, said,
you know, some of that slime did escape the ship.
It would be irresponsible to leave it out there doing
who knows what, and Peter said, yeah, I'm not in
a rush to get home either. Hey, Gonzo, can we
have a ship? Um? Hey, Egon, can you pilot a
ship up, and Yonda agreed it was the least he
could do, so he outfitted the Ghostbusters to stop the slime.
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Just then, Cragland noticed the ignored party member. He waggled
his eyebrow at her and said, so, who are you,
sweet stuff? And she sighed and said yet again, I'm Janine.
As a Ghostbusters suited up and launched into space, they
find a tape in the ship's dash. They pop it
in and their theme begins to play. We cut to
this slime, ever growing, zooming through space, and millions of
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space ghosts popping up around it. As the slime reaches
the horizon, however, it's all of a sudden eaten by
another huge object hurtling towards us, a giant stay phuffed
marshmallow Man, the Devourer of Worlds. I like your version
of Galactus. Thank you. I can't wait to meet their herald.
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Uh yeah, I did set it up for a sequel
or three. That's great. You always have to do that, Okay, alright,
mine is called Ghostbusters of the Galaxy. I mean, what
else are we gonna call it? Here we go. Peter
quill A k A star lord, has a problem. Actually
he has several problems. One is that Gomera, the woman
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he cares about, has run off because she's actually a
Gomura from another timeline, and it would take too long
to get into all of it. But another problem is
that he and the remaining Guardians of the Galaxy have
found themselves stranded in New York City as their ship,
the ben Attar, is in serious need of repairs. It's
currently perched, some might say, teetering on the top of
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Avenger's tower. Rocket and Groot are working on it, but
they need parts, and it turns out Earth isn't the
best planet to land on if you need to overhaul
your intergalactic transmission. Parts cost money, and they are fresh
out of Earth bucks. So the crew comes to the
conclusion that one of them needs to get a job,
and that one is Peter because he's human mostly, I mean,
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he's half human. It would take too long to get
into that too. Peter is not thrilled about this. He
knows the private sector expects results. But then he sees
an ad in the paper. An extermination company is looking
to hire, but not just any extermination company, it's one
called the Ghostbusters. Quill makes his way to an old
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fire fighting station and finds the Ghostbusters HQ, and he
walks in and immediately applies for the job, whereupon he's
accepted without hesitation. Uh so I don't need to do
an interview or anything, he says. Listen, kids says the
office manager looks like you got most of your parts
and you can carry some weight, so you're hired. Will
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is then brought into a conference room with a big
screen in it, and before he knows that he's watching
an orientation video, and on the screen are these four
shlubby guys and even shlubby or cover rolls carrying ridiculous
huge equipment. And they explained that they founded the company
back in the eighties and that things got really wild,
and then they quieted down a bit, but eventually ghosts
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began popping up again, and so they franchised the company
and now they take more of a behind the scenes role. Quill,
barely paying attention, gets through the orientation and next thing
he knows, he's given his own set of coveralls, which
he reluctantly puts on. And then the call comes in
and Quill finds himself jostled into a group with three
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other ghostbusters. There's um shoot. I should name them Benny
and Roberta and Dominique first time, says Dominique, who is
clearly the sympathetic one. We're setting up here fighting ghosts.
No no, I thought ghost slots of times, just you know,
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not here on earth, says Quill. Mhm, says Dominique. Well,
let's consider this a ride along until you get your
feet under you. So Quill is whisked off to get
inside this weird station wagon like car. It's called the
Ecto eighteen, and they rush off to an apartment building
on top of a deli, and apparently there's some rat
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king ghost up there, you know, rat kings. They get
their tails all nodded together and they begin this terrifying
ball of rats. Anyway, there's a ghost one roaming this building.
So the Ghostbusters, including Quill, go in and Dominique hands
Quill a ghost trap. When I signal, you slide this
under the ghost, she says, and Quill nods in. The
group hunts down the ghost, using p k e meters
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to track it down, and they find the rat king
ghost at the end of the hallway, and the ghostbusters
all whip out their little proton wants and these days.
They're much smaller than the nineteen eighties models, but they
still pack a huge energy punch, with that wibbly wobbly
lines of proton energy that can cleave you in Twain.
And so Quill has to dodge a couple of times
as the rat king ghost and the proton beams fly around.
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It's real funny now, yells Dominique, and the rat king
ghost gets trapped in some beams and Quill slides the
trap under it, and the trap opens up in a
bright light shines and Quill is temporarily blinded, and the
team nabs their ghost. Not bad rookie's, Dominique. You didn't
even freeze out there. Most folks split the first time
to see a ghost. Wasn't my first time, says Quill,
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who is totally facing the wrong direction over here. Buddy,
your site will come back. Just give it a little time,
says Dominique, and that begins Quill's short career as a ghostbuster.
We then get a montage of him going on different
calls using a proton wand at first very ineffectively because
the power gets away from them. He causes way too
much collateral damage, but gradually he gets to the point
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where he's almost competent with it, and then we also
see him getting checks, which he then sheepishly hands over
to Rocket and Groot to take it to, presumably by
parts for the ship. And then we also see montages
of Rocket and Grout getting new threads and sunglasses, and
Groot gets a new Nintendo switch and stuff, but they
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always hide it whenever Quill comes back around. We pick
up a against sometime later, and several weeks have gone by,
and Quill is crawling through these air ducts quietly, and
there's this creepy music playing, and he's getting the drop
on a musical ghost that's haunting a Broadway stage. It's
floating close to the stage is ghost light, and it's
singing old show tune standards. And just as he's about
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to get to event where he plans to open up
the vent and then just shoot this ghost from above,
the duct work gives way and he crashes down twenty
ft to the stage. But this is Marvel, and characters
can fall a very long way without actually getting hurt
unless they pass a certain threshold, at which point they
totally die, and there's no way that version of the
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character is ever coming back. Fortunately, that high is actually
higher than twenty feet, so he's okay. What follows is
a musical battle as the Ghost and Quill do this
crazy awesome duet of you're the one that I want
from Greece, but it ends with Quill single handedly zapping
the Ghost in trapfingeer take a bow, sis, he says
to no one. Then we see him return to Avenger's
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Tower with his most recent paycheck, and Drax sees him
before he goes to meet with Rocket and Groot. When
do we leave this place? Says Drags. Jack's come on,
you know we have to fix the ship, says Quill.
The furry one fixed the ship. It has been fixed
for twenty earth days, says Drags. Wait they fixed the ship,
says Quill. Yes, how are you so bad at the
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language you grew up with? Asks Drags. Quill stomps over
to the ship. Oh, says Rocket. I am Groot, says
Groot apologetically. I don't want to hear it from you,
says Quill to group. He points at Rocket. You are
in so much trouble. Hey, I can explain, says Rocket,
and after a moment of Quill staring at him, Rocket
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says I really wanted a leather jacket, but I was
a bit short, So like, if you have that paycheck,
quill ushers them into the ship. Then the process he
slaps a sticker on the side of the Benettar, a
sticker with a ghost in the middle of a circle
with a slash across it. Ben at are a k A.
The Ecto nineteen becomes the ship for the Ghostbusters of
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the Galaxy. We get credits and some cool eighties music
on top of pictures of the crew all dressed in
cover roles and fighting space ghosts, including space ghost the end. Oh,
I absolutely loved it. Um, thanks for ruining Guardians of
the Galaxy Volume three for me, but I still absolutely
loved it. Yeah. Go Moura ironically doesn't show up in
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it at all. Yeah, but you do get space ghosts,
so there's something right, you might get brack, you know
who knows. I almost put space ghost specific in mind
instead of just a bunch of generic space ghosts as well,
but now I'm glad I didn't. Yeah. No, when you
were getting to the space ghost part, I was like, oh,
we might both have the same joke, And that's the
way that I end mine, But yeah, this one was fun.
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I mean obviously, like both Ghostbusters and Guardians of the
Galaxy have those comedic elements to them, so they both
kind of lend themselves to zany humor, particularly humor at
the expense of the protagonist, right, Like like like the Guardians
of the Galaxy movies frequently have Peter Quill getting it
way over his head and that's part of the comedy.
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It's very similar to stuff you would see in like
Indiana Jones movies. It's one of those things that really
appeals to me. I agree it appeals to me as well. Well,
if it appeals to you and you've got your own
version of how you think these two properties would be
mashed up, you should write us and tell us it. Jonathan,
how can they do that, Well, they can send us
an email. The email addresses l n C at I
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heart media dot com. We've received some really nice emails recently,
so thank you for that. Or you can reach out
on the various social media platforms. Over on Twitter we
are l n C Underscore podcast, and on Facebook and
Instagram we're large nerdron Collider. We'd love to hear from you.
We always really like having conversations with listeners who you know.
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We're fans like you, like we consider ourselves fans of you.
We like that thing you do. It's so true. Still
stuck on Broadway, huh. Anyhow well that was a Hollywood musical,
but okay, all right, Well until next time. I am
Jonathan Thunderpants Strickland and I am Aerial Lightning based Casting
(45:37):
M The large Energohnk Collider is production of I Heart
Radio and was created by ariel cast In. Jonathan Strickland
is the executive producer. This show is produced, edited, and
published by Tari Harrison. For more podcast on my heart Radio,
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visit the I Heart Radio Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
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