February 18, 2021 • 46 mins
With the Snyder Cut around the corner, it got us thinking about movies we expected to love and didn't and vice versa. Then we take the Justice League, mash it up with a beloved pasttime and play ball! Plus we daydream about traveling to imaginary places.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Nerdron Collider podcast is a production of My
Heart Radio. Hey everybody, welcome to The Large Nerdron Collider,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world and how happy and excited we are about them.
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I'm Ariel casting and with me as always is a
dude who is always a home run in my books
Jonathan Strickland. That's foreshadowing. Ariel, I got a question for you.
What fictional location would you most like to visit? This
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is a tough one. There's so many it is. I mean,
this was one that I struggled on because as there
are a lot of fictional places that hold a special
spot in my heart. Although, to be fair, a lot
of them some some stuff goes down and some of
those visual locations, Um yeah, it's it's dorky. But Narnia,
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Narnia is coolis cool. You got talking animals, You've got
talking animals, You've got you know, a diverse biodome, You've
got magic and wonders. It's just now you do have
the greatest evil ever made. Turkish delight. Turkish is the worst.
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I love Turkish Delight. You are do you eat rose?
Flavored Turkish Delight, the chocolate flavor, the chocolate covered rose
flavored Turkish Delight, and lemon Turkish Delight. So like that
is to me, like that is like the that's like
anti candy. It's like eating solid perfume. I used to
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have Okay, you know how kids eat Plato. I used
to have a tiscuit, a tasket of flower making basket,
which is a Plato thing, and it had rose scented
plato and it reminded me of that but better tasting.
Shut up. I was a little kid. Um. Yeah, this
was three years ago. Just in case you guys are wondering, Okay,
where would you like to Okay, so there there are
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tons that I think of, and uh but I think
the one that I keep going back to is the
Shire from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings the
Shire because I think Hobbits have got the right idea
when it comes to general approach to life, which is
eat your way through it. I am, I'm down with that,
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And so that's the one that I think I most
would like to visit. You know, Love Laurien was a
close second on my list, so lame best spreads spread
But but your your point about the food in the shire,
that is that is a strong motivator. Yeah, not interesting
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that we both went fantasy locations. Clearly we could have
picked something from a science fiction type of place, but
that that gives us a little I think of myself
as more of the sword than the laser type, so
you know that that's fit. And there's also a lot
of like if I think, well, do I want to
go to Gallifrey from Doctor Who? No, there was a
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horrible war that happened there. It's not a happy place too.
I want to go to alder On. No, I don't
you know? You can't. I can't. The locations in Star
Wars are for the most part inhospitable like deserts and
and frozen tundras and salt plains. Yes, maybe maybe Paralandria
if I want to go sci fi, but that's still
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kind of fantasy. So well, let's get back to reality
by talking about some of the top news stories in
the geek sphere and launching us off is something that
Ariel and I are so gangbusters for. We got a
trailer for the Snyder cut of the Justice League and uh, Ariel,
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what was your reaction to this? New trailer. I think
probably the exact opposite of your reaction, which was I
started it and I went, oh, I don't like this.
I don't know, I don't like Lex Luthor's talking at
the beginning and screaming Superman. And then in the middle
I was like, Okay, I kind of like this flash
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of saving a girl from a car. I really liked
the flash in the Justice League, you know, I think
that was great casting and the actor did a great
job with it. So I kind of got excited in
the middle. I mistook because I read an article saying
that Granny Goodness made an appearance in the trailer, and
I'm as stood dark Side for her, because Sex Snyder's
Justice League and all of the DC stuff he does
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is so so dark that I was like, well, he
just made an ugly dark version of any Goodness, But no,
it was dark Side. She was standing to his left,
and uh yeah. I couldn't pick out anyone because to me,
every all the villains look vaguely the same to me,
so I was just like, sure, I'll take your word
for it that these characters were in that trailer. She
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she looks like a oh, a woman with gray hair. Um,
and then at the end of it, I just I
was like, I was back to that, you know, because
I do not like what they did with the Joker's mouth. Yeah, Like,
I just don't like the I don't know it just
visually it strikes me the wrong way. I hated it,
Um don't. I mean, I just I don't know. I
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d C hasn't worked for me. No one's no one's
surprised by this. Keep in mind that before the Marvel
Cinematic Universe, my favorite superhero movie of all time was
the Christopher Reeve Superman film, the Original Superman movie. That's
such a good one. It's a great movie. It's very campy.
It's very campy, but it knows it's ampy, right Like,
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it's not can't be by mistake. Um, And I just
find it really entertaining. And so I am clearly the
wrong audience for the Snyder version of DC Universe, and
I acknowledge that. And I'm not saying that they are
bad movies. I say I don't find them entertaining. And
this trailer just kind of reinforced that for me. Again,
I'm not saying it's gonna be a bad movie. It's
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gonna be a long movie. I can say that, yes,
you better pack a lunch, but I don't know that
it's gonna be bad. I just know that, like, I'm
still not seeing anything that appeals to me. Now, maybe
this is going to be one of those cases where
the trailer and the finished product are different enough where
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I have a very different reaction from the film than
I did from the trailer. That could be a discussion
thing that we have in the future is movies where
we felt it was very different from the trailer we
had seen for that film. But that's a discussion for
another time. Yeah. Now, I mean I will probably watch
this because I feel like I ought to and I
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have HBO Max. But I do wish that it had
just been two movies, yeah, I hear you, Yeah, or
mini series like they're originally talking about. If you are
watching it on HBO Max. Though, you could always just
pause it and make it two movies. You just have
to determine. Maybe it's when they start yelling Martha who knows? Yeah, listen.
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I started watching The Stand on CBS All Access last night,
and I almost turned the first episode into like four
different episodes because I kept pausing it. Not because it
was bad or anything, just because I haven't heard good
things about that. But then I don't have I don't
have CBS All Access, so I've not seen any of it.
It's interesting. I have no attachment to the source material.
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I never read the stand and i'd never watched the
original mini series, so you're not missing much there being
being two episodes in. It's interesting. I understand that the
ending is kind of blah, but um, well, okay, I'm
getting off on a tangent. Let's go back to Zack Snyder. Yeah,
because he's in our next story. Yes, apparently he is
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not done with crazy convoluted stories because he's thinking about
doing the legend of King Arthur. Yeah, he said that
he wants to do something that's a more true representation
of the Arthurian legend. The problem is which version of
the Aryan legendary talking about, because there are a lot
of different ones. I mean, Lamour d'Art is the famous one, right,
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but there are a lot of others that are, you know,
no less valid. In fact, there are others from that
same time period of Arthurian legend. So it's curious to
see what he means by that. Um, I'm not particularly
excited by that either. I mean, I think I think
it could be good. It could be I'm sure it
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would be very grim and dark, but then Artherian legend
does get grim and dark. So I'm curious what you think, Ariel.
I think it is it is a legend that is
already existing in his wheelhouse, which is too much story,
not enough editing. And I love, you know, Authoritian legend,
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but it does, like you said, there's lots of versions.
It goes all over the place. There's a bunch of
bunny trails and so well. And it's a collection of stories, right,
It's not like it's one story. It's a bunch of
different stories. Yeah, and so I feel like making a
movie of those bunch of stories is what Zack Snyder
always does. I feel like he has a really hard
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time editing down to one story. So I don't know
if it will be good. I don't have as much
distaste for a lot of the King Arthur movies that
have come out in the past um as some people do.
Do you have a favorite, um, I would say probably
the Sam Neil mini series Merlin. Shut Up. You say
(10:00):
shut Up a lot? Okay, Well, it's Merlin. Merlin's very
entertaining Martin Short notwithstanding. But yeah, but I also like
to know Disney Sword in the Stone I like, I
like it's it's not really a Thurian legend, but like
all the takes on the Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's court.
Like for me, it's Excalibur. Excalibur I think is like
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almost a perfect movie. Ex Caliber is also a good movie.
So you know, I will be the first person to
say that sometimes I go into a movie not expecting much.
So there are a lot of so so movies that
I really enjoy. Um that's some foreshadowing there too, Yes,
but you know, this is Arthurian legend is one where
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I tend to enjoy most of it. So well, We've
got a couple of stories that I am curious about
that we can kind of pair together, which is that
we know a little bit about the casting of two
different projects that are at a tations of video games,
that being Borderlands, where we know that Jack Black has
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joined the cast to voice the character of clap Trap,
a robot in the Borderlands video game series, and we
also know that the last of US television series is
going to have Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey as the
two leads of that story. Now, Mariel, have you played
either or watched either border Lands or Last of Us? Um?
(11:29):
I have not played or watched Last of Us other
than the trailers. I have played some Borderlands, and I've
watched a lot of Borderlands. UM. I don't do as
great with strictly first person shooters because I get motion sick.
But I've watched a lot of this story and I
enjoy it and I get casting. You know, Bella Ramsey
and Pedro Pascal have done The Game of Thrones is
pretty dark, so I think they're great casting for Last
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of Us. However, as great as I think Jack Black
will be as clap Trap, i'mlike, it's an animated character.
Just use the voice of that character. Yeah. Last I
heard he was working for Rooster Teeth. I don't know
if he still is, but I remember hearing him on
the Rooster Teeth podcast and he actually talked about how
he was the voice of Claptrap and I was like, Oh,
that's kind of cool. Um. Yeah. I I honestly don't
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know what to think about the Borderlands one, because I
don't really think of those games as having much of
a story. Um, I mean there's a there's a general
kind of story to it, but there's not there's not
any meat on the bone there. It's essentially there's this
big secret cash of powerful items and you're looking for it,
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and there are other people who are bad guys who
are also looking for it, so you need to look
for it harder. I don't think that supports a really
great movie. I could be wrong. Last of Us is
more of a narrative, a traditional narrative. The game plays
out like like a mini series. It feels like you're
playing through something like The Walking Dead, and it has
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one heck of an ending. And we know that the
television series is going to closely follow the events of
the first game. It might also incorporate some elements that
were found in the second game, and it's going to
expand on the world of Last of Us, so you're
gonna get more than what was in the video game,
which is also good because again, video games have to
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make way for for gameplay, right, and whenever they're making
way for gameplay, you're not really making much of a story.
You're you're playing through stuff. So obviously the television series
has to make some adjustments there or else. If you
boil down the actual story to what it what it is,
it would it would last like two episodes. Yeah, we
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also did get casting news for the Dungeons and Dragons
movie movie that we've been anticipating. Um Kind Michelle Rodriguez
were recently announced as well as just As Smith. Now
we have Jean Paige. He's a actor from Britain and
he's joined the D and D group. We don't know,
we don't know what class he's playing. I'm hoping for rogue.
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I was going to say, I think he would be
a rogue. That's what he plays in Bridgerton. Yeah, it
was like like, I mean, I don't want to type cast.
I don't want to type guests. I don't want to
type guest. But yeah, it's um, it's this is one
of those those announcements that I thought was really interesting.
I mean, he's clearly very much in the zeitgeist because
Bridgerton has become one of those series that a lot
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of people were watching and talking about and talking about
all the sexy times in that show. I'm hoping there
won't be as much sexy times in D and D
because that stuff can go wrong, y'all. You miss a
saving throw, next thing you know, you're you're marrying a manticore.
It's rough. Well, you know, I don't know, because it
just hit me, marrying a manticore. That would be a
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great sitcom. I think it's I think that's the prequel
prequel to Hello from the Magic Tavern. But go ahead, Yes,
it's it's got you know, Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis
daily working on it, and they worked on Spider Man
Homecoming and Horrible Bosses. So like the Spider Man Homecoming
side excites me, the Horrible Bosses side makes me worried
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for marrying amanticor. But I guess we'll see. I mean,
if this becomes a film adaptation of Hello from the
Magic Tavern, I'm okay with it. It would it would
not really be a D D series of that point,
but you know, you could, you could. We know you
could do worse, because there have been other D and
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D adaptations and they were terrible. But you know what, Ariel,
I think we should probably have a little conversation about
movies where we had expectations and the result of seeing
that movie subverted those expectations. In one way or another.
Does that sound good to you? It does, but first
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I need to take a quick break. M Arials finished
breaking things, so we're ready to have this conversation. Now
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do you want? I think we should start with movies
that we hoped we would like but it turned out
we didn't really like them that much, and then we
can end it talking about movies where we had low
expectations but then we really ended up enjoying it. That way,
we end on a on a positive note. Sure. Sure, um,
So I'm going to start because I feel like people
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have heard me go on this diet tribe before. I
have two movies that I expected to like and really didn't. Um.
And the first one was not as about as the
second one. So the first one is Elf, and I
thought I would like it because everybody built it up
so much. Uh, and then when I watched it, I
was very nonplussed. But the movie, the movie that I
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was excited to go see, and that when I went
to watch it, I just it hit me in all
the wrong ways. Is Sucker Punch. It should be not
a surprise at all to you. This is one of
those movies that did have like the really stylistic trailer
that made it look incredible with elements of like fantasy
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and maybe substeam punk in there, and it just had
it was like a music video style movie trailer that
made that movie just look like it was just oozing cool. Yeah.
And the storyline is there's this girl who gets sent
to an insane asylum and to deal with it, she
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imagines that she's in a brothel, and to deal with
the fact that she's in a brothel, she imagines that
she is fighting Nazis or orcs or giant robots or whatnot. Uh, surprise, surprise.
It's by Zack Snyder. And my biggest problem with the
movie is that there were one too many levels. It
was it was like inception but not handled well all. Yeah. Yeah,
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it was like any of those two levels paired together
would have been a good story, but you had that
third level to it, and it's just too much and
it's too disjointed, and I stopped caring. Yeah, so much potential.
I so full disclosure. I have never seen Sucker Punch Um.
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I wanted to when I saw the trailer, but by
the time I would have been able to go see
the movie where it had gotten out about Ariel Leavin
told me about it. I remember back in the day
you were messaging me about it, and and the more
I heard about the more I thought, maybe I just
give this one a miss, because it also sounded to
me like, well, Snyder, it goes it goes so dark. Um,
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it deals with some very very dark material, and the
everything I heard told me that it did not reconcile
or resolve any of that in a very satisfying way. No,
it's got a it's got a very bleak ending. And again,
like nothing against movies with bleak endings, but if you
wanted a bleak ending, I think it should have just
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been the I've been sent to a sanitarium and I'm
dealing with it by pretending I'm desirable in some way.
Adding that fantasy level almost made fun of those first
two levels, And yeah, like, if if he wanted it
to be poignant and serious, I feel like he should
have taken out the fantasy level, And if you wanted
it to be a little bit more adventurous, he should
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have taken out one of the two bleak levels. Yeah.
I also find what I also find that your escape
mechanism involves you imagining yourself in a different, but in
many ways equally bad. Situation isn't much of an escape mechanism? No, no,
and then you have to use another one, and then
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you have to use another one, and like, none of
the escape mechanisms were great. And I guess there's some
some sort of moral or point to that, but I
just did not find it enjoyable. So what what is
the movie that you thought you would like that you didn't?
So all right, I've I've got I've got four that
i'm gonna uh talk about, but really only only one.
I'm gonna talk about four, I'm gonna mention three. I'm
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going to mention rather so h the Hobbit. But everyone's
heard me talk about the Hobbit. How I really wanted
to like that movie. I had some misgivings simply because
I knew they were making three films and I didn't
think that the book could support three films, and might
I was right. I fell asleep twice. I saw the
movie twice, and I fell asleep in the same two
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spots twice. So that tells you like And that's that
was my favorite book growing up. My favorite book. I
have a Lord of the Rings tattoo on my arm.
I am a Lord of the Rings fan, but yeah,
that that totally failed to meet my expectations. Indiana Jones
and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull another one. I
highly anticipated that movie. I really love the Indiana Jones trilogy.
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I think each movie is interesting in a different way.
I think Raiders is my favorite of the three, but
I like all three for different reasons. Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull comes around. I actually like Shyla buff in it,
but apart from him, there wasn't much in that that
I liked. I didn't think Kate Blanchett was an interesting villain.
I didn't like the science fiction angle as opposed to
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the more mystical angles of the other Raiders films. Um So, yeah,
that one fell short for me. Transformers I was hoping
I would like, but I couldn't even make sense of
that mess. Um. Now, I didn't have high expectations. It's
a movie that's based off a cartoon that itself was
a way to sell toys, so I didn't have high hopes.
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But I couldn't even tell what was going on in
the transformation scenes, and it gave me a very strong
negative opinion of Michael Bay in general. Other elements added
to that, but the movie, the real one I picked
is is um is Star Trek five The Final Frontier,
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because I think movie Star Trek five Kirk versus God. Now,
so so I I was. I was a huge Star
Trek fan growing up, big Star Trek fan, the son
of two Star Trek fans. And you gotta remember that
this movie followed up Star Trek four a Voyage Home,
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which was a very lighthearted, very silly departure for Star Trek.
Like it. It still had an adventure in it, but
it was I mean, there was a lot of comedy
in Star Trek four, which is interesting because my other,
the other one that everyone really loved from that era,
was Star Trek two. There wasn't a lot of comedy
in that one. There was a lot of drama and
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a lot of action. So then Star Trek five comes around.
William Shatner directed it, and it's essentially Kirk versus God
and Kirk wins. And as big a fan of as
I was of Star Trek, I was just like, come on,
he was Mary suing himself to the ends of the
universe and back. I couldn't stand it. So that was
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one that was a huge letdown for me. Yeah. Yeah,
Star Trek five was was pretty weak. I I realized
that my joke about liking it didn't really fly. But
the fact is, I know people used to say every
other Star Trek movie was a good one. The even
ones are good ones for the original, like Star Trek
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two as Wrath of con Star Trek Forward's Voyage Home.
Star Trek six is Undiscovered Country, which was you know,
Christopher Plumber, who just recently passed away, was a villainous
klingon who quoted Shakespeare in that in that movie, and
that one was that one was pretty good. I don't
think it's as strong as two and four are, which
are strong for totally different reasons. They're also they're also
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totally so different from each other. That's kind of interesting
that they're all part of the same series, but they
have very different tones. But you know, especially when we
got to the Star Trek Next Generation movies, I just
like them all. It didn't matter if are good or bad.
I still enjoyed. Okay, well this is where our paths part.
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But we're not talking a podcast with you that we're
not talking about the Next Generation movies. So talk about
a movie that you didn't think you were going to enjoy,
or at least you had lower expectations, it turned out
that it exceeded them. So there's a lot of movies
where I thought, you know, this is gonna be an
okay movie, and then it turned out to be a
(24:27):
great delight Central Intelligence Game Night jimmungji. Uh. There are
two movies. One the first one, I'm going to mention
it's not that I had didn't have high expectations, it's
that I didn't expect to like it. And that was
it the most uh current version, not not the second one,
(24:49):
but the first one. The second one was okay, But
you know, I'm not a big horror fan. Uh. I
had watched the mini series with Tim Curry when I
was younger and found it very frightening. And yeah, Harry
Anderson's jokes are terrifying. Yeah they really are. Um. And
so I was like, this is surely going to be good,
(25:11):
but it's just gonna be too scary for me. But
I I quite enjoyed it. Um. But the one, and
I'm almost ashamed to say that I enjoyed it is
I had a bunch of people tell me that I
should watch Spy the Night two fifteen Melissa McCarthy movie,
and I am like, I'm not a big fan of Bride'smaids.
(25:34):
I you know, I or or a lot of Melissa
McCarthy's movies. She is a phenomenal actress who I first
learned about and Gilmore Girls. Honestly that's when she first
hit my radar. But phenomenal actress. She's very funny, and
she does great dramatic work as well. But I find
her her her sense of like disparaging humor just not
(25:57):
almost too cruel, um, a little cruel, a little gross,
but and she is certainly disparaging to herself in Spy.
But it was remarkably funny with Jason Statham and Peter
Sarah Finowitz as foils. Yeah, he was, he was. He
was Darth Maul's voice in The Phantom Menace, and he
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was also he was in Shaun of the Dead and
he was also in Space. Um, fantastic, really fun actor.
And he was the latest Tick as well, Like he's
he's great. These two gentlemen played such a great foil
to her that it was just it not that she
needed help to shine, but it elevated that self depreciation
(26:44):
and gave her a chance to, like, you know, in
the movie, she becomes quite capable. Um. I really enjoyed it.
It certainly goes a little blue for my taste at
some points, but it was like I would watch it again.
It was quite enjoyable. Nice. What about you? Well, for me,
we have to go back to nineteen be nine when
I was a teenager, Yeah, and the movie would be Uh.
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And I apologize to you, Ariel for this The Little Mermaid.
I did not pick it because of your name. I
did not pick it because of your name. I picked
it because I was a teenager at the time. And
you have to remember that the Disney animated films that
had been released leading up to Little Mermaid we're seen
as being a big step down from classic Disney. Not
(27:29):
that they were terrible movies. I mean I didn't like
all of our own company. I don't think I've ever
watched it all the way through because I just didn't
like it. Uh. The Great Mouse Detective is entertaining, but
a lot of people don't remember it. The Black Cauldron
is not very good. It's not a good representation of
Lloyd Alexander's work. The Fox in the Hound was good
but heartbreaking. Yeah. I don't like animal movies like that,
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so so there there had just not been like Disney
had not been in that that classic fairy tale warm
for a long time. So I, as a teenager, had
no interest in seeing this, but my family had bought tickets.
They were determined to go, so I went with them.
And from the opening sequence where the music starts playing
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and you see the big animated ship breakthrough the sea missed,
I immediately was entranced, and halfway through the movie I
was like so mad at myself for being the poopy
head teenager who didn't want to go see the cartoon movie. Uh.
And by the very end of it, I was thinking,
(28:34):
all right, well, I gotta buy the soundtrack because this
thing is amazing. Didn't It didn't hurt that the music
was all written by Ashman and Lincoln who did Little
Shop of Hars and I was a big fan of that.
So um yeah, that was the movie where I I
was determined to be the sulky teenager who hated it
all the way through. I was ready to just pout
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my way through that movie, and it won me over.
From the opening sequence and I was on board for
the rest of the ride, and I became a huge
fan of Disney again. Like for a while, I just
like I had loved the classic Disney movies, but I
never really like. I didn't I didn't hate the later stuff.
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I just didn't find it as captivating. And this recaptured
my fascination until Pocahon has destroyed it. Yeah, you know,
I think I think that's completely valid. I'll even mostly
agree as much as I say I have a love
hate relationship with The Little Mermaid. When I first watched it, Yeah,
it's that that first moment is captivating. It's it's pretty baller,
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and the music is great and it's a lot of fun.
And it wasn't It was until I really thought about
you know, I always liked the story that Little Mermaid,
even though the original tale is the hunch Kristen Anderson
versions rather bleak. It does not have a happy ending. No,
I still liked it until the ending. Um, you know,
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I I liked it until I thought about the story.
And the story is it's a braddy girl who just
gets her way. Well, it's also I mean, there's also
a lot of there's a lot of of elements to
it that, uh in in a more modern sensibility fall
way short, right, Like it's a girl who gives up
her voice so that she can be with a guy
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that she's seen once, Like it's it's it's falling into
those fairy tale tropes that are unrealistic, but you could
also say are potentially harmfully unrealistic. So I can totally
get those criticisms, and I think they are valid. Uh yeah,
It all depends on your threshold of where you can
say it's a fairy tale and not meant to be
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a realistic depiction of relationships and that kind of stuff,
and you can step back or if you're like, no,
this is really messed up. Well, I mean, but if
you and that's part of the problem I have with
a Disney one. If you look at Hans Christian Anderson's version,
it's a cautionary tale about bad like even today could
be viewed as a cautionary tale about making bad decisions
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for you know, somebody you're lusting after, and the repercussions
of of dealing with that. I would argue that that
Disney sort of address that when they did the other
Hans Christian Anderson's story with Frozen, because you actually do
have the story of a young woman who makes some
bad decisions based upon her instantaneous attraction to someone who
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turns out to not be a good person, and then
then the rest of the story kind of escalates from there.
But that was you know, it's a long time to
go before you address those concerns. Yeah, I agree. I
mean there were some consequences in The Lion King, but
it's not the same, no, I mean, I mean, like, like, yeah,
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the biggest consequence being that you've got Elton John right
in the music. So it's real. It's real Elton John.
Now that that's a bad thing. It's just real Elton John. Um,
I love Elton John. But it's real Elton John. Okay,
Well that's enough of me saying things that don't really
mean anything. When we come back, we are going to
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mash up uh. One of my favorite things in the
whole wide world the d C universe was specifically Justice
League and a classic feel good, uplifting story about a
bunch of women who who step up when all the
men are overseas fighting war. But we'll understand, we'll explain
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more after we come back for this break okay, Ariel,
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So what are the two properties we are mashing up? So,
as you said, uh, DC is the Justice League and
um a League of their Own, which is Yeah, let's
give a quick overview of what League of their Own
is for those people who don't know. It's also being
adapted into a series, right, Yes, it's being adapted into
a series by Amazon has picked the series up. It's
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got a really great cast. Um. They announced it in August,
so we don't have it yet, but it is upcoming.
It's a story about you know, baseball during World War Two,
how the wars is affecting the league, and so a
gentleman decides to start a league of women baseball players.
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H and uh. It starts and ends uh with them
being honored and and kind of goes through their journey
to becoming a great team and and a fan favorite,
and then their personal lives and things like that. It's
really great. It's got Gina Davis and Rosie O'Donnell and
all sorts of really great actresses. There's there's Tom Hanks. Uh, yeah,
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there's a ton. There's there's a ton of really really
um talented actors in that in that space and They're
all like, it's all done in flashback form, and so
we are now doing Justice League of their own mash up.
And do you know what I'm about to ask you? Aerial? Yeah,
(34:28):
do you want to go first or second? I struggled
with mine, So I don't know if you if you
feel yours is good, maybe I should go first so
that we can end on a high note. I don't
know the mine is good, but it's very Jonathan, Okay,
then I will go first. Um, this is called Major
League Field of their own justice. My story is my
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story is about as convoluted as that title. You went,
you went hard on the bash ups? Yes, okay, all right. So,
after the latest attack in Uproar from dark Side, the
excitement of baseball had all but lost its luster to
the American public, and major league team owners were worried
that it would be the final death stroke to the
beloved pastime. Thankfully, one owner, Walter Harvey Steele, owner of
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the Star City Rockets, had an idea. He had seen
the prowess with which some local vigilantes fought crime, and
heard of more in other places, and thought, what a
great chance to take a great game and make it
super However, the other team owners were hesitant, thinking that
using such adept individuals would take all the fun out
of the game and no one would want to watch
them play. But Walter would not be deterred. He called
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on his good friend and mover and shaker, Amanda Waller,
to help recruit the perfect team to change the owner's
minds and reinvigorate the sport. Amanda started out across the
country recruiting the super she knew of. Soon her team
was created. It consisted of wonder Woman, Stargirl, Supergirl, Black Canary,
Hawk Girl, and Satana. Also Mayra was there, but she
was regulated to being the Water Girl because she wasn't
(36:00):
that great of a player. Um these ladies had never
worked together or played together before. But after a brief
and humorous training montage, the new team, the Super Peaches,
was ready to play ball. Much to Walter's joy, they
proved him right and brought in new crowds, but only briefly.
You see, there was this problem. They thoroughly trounced every
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team they played against, So then Amanda had to go
and recruit a second team to play them. She got Batman, Superman,
the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman and Aquaman as a water
boy just to make it even. And these egotistical guys
were harder to get to work together as a team again,
all being kind of solo artists. But eventually they were
ready to play the Super Peaches. Their team name the
(36:43):
Racing Boys. Racine Boys, Racing Boys. It was a bad
try to tie things together. Okay, so these two teams
were playing each other, but it was dangerous for the spectators.
Tempers ran high, fights broke out, and every game ended
with destroyed stadiums and casual injuries in the stands. So
Amanda and Walter were demanded to put a stop to
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these two teams. These teams didn't want to stop, though,
so Amanda and Walter found a spot in the middle
of nowhere, a one Kent farm, and got the Kent's
to agree to let them build a special stadium in
the Kent's biggest field. They called the stadium the Hall
of Dreams Stadium. Once the stadium was built, the super
Teams instinctually came. What the teams and the Kent farms
(37:27):
didn't know was that it was actually a space station.
So as soon as the soups were inside, it blasted
off into space. The Supers were told via intercomment that
they had to stay in the space station until they
learned to play together nicely, and that they were banned
from ever playing baseball on Earth again. The teams decided
that they would just play each other in outer space
because they didn't like being told what to do. Uh.
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They would be the only two teams in the league,
and that was just their's and they called it the
Just Us League. Yes, I know that's an old, played
out joke, but stay with me. They renamed the Hall
of Dreams to the Hall of Justice. Uh. And every
now and then some villain team like the Legion of
Doom or the Dark Side Elites or the Apocket Hitters
would try to join in on their baseball games, but
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they were always defeated. So those villain teams turned to crime,
and the Justice League turned to the Justice League to
stop them, which is okay because by that time they
were really tired of baseball. The end that I was,
I mean, I was amazed that we didn't get the
rookie in there, but everything else like so many baseball
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movie references. All right, um, you will see that I
very quickly decided to abandon making a more overt reference
to League of their Own, although there is some spirit
of it in mine. Mine is just justice League of
their Own. And here it goes. Bruce Wayne, head of
Wayne Enterprises of Gotham City, has a big problem. Well really,
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he has a bunch of problems. One say, his parents
were murdered in crime Alley when he was a kid,
and that kind of thing. Man, that just messes you up.
But Bruce was able to stay on the straight and narrow,
and he inherited his father's enormous business where they were
making sporting equipment. While Wayne was expected to embrace golf
or maybe tennis, he learned early on that baseball was
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his true love. In fact, when he was little, you
could say that Bruce was quite the bat boy. But
now he's a batman. But Bruce has a new problem.
An upstart businessman named Lex Luthor has opened up his
own baseball bat company in Metropolis, just across the way
from Gotham, and Luther is using all sorts of underhanded
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means to make bats on the cheap, undercutting Wayne's product
and doing a measurable harm through predatory employment practices in
the process. Wayne, in an effort to compete against this menace,
proposes a contest, a company softball game, Wayne versus Luther.
Winner gets to stay in business. The loser leaves Luther
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and seeing the opportunity to get a monopoly on bats
in the Northeast, agrees, and so Bruce rushes around to
form a great team, the Gotham Peaches. He finds that
Diana Prince, who works in accounting, has a wondrous pitching arm.
He also learns that Arthur Curry, the guy who delivers
water to all the water coolers and Wayne Enterprises, I mean,
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he's a real aquam man, is also an incredible catcher.
Billy Batson, who seems pretty immature for an adult, is
as his name suggests, a pretty good batter himself. Victor Stone,
who is really into robotics to the point where his
coworkers jokingly call him Cyborg, makes an amazing third baseman.
Hal Jordan's, who keeps the lights on even in the
(40:42):
darkest night, is the perfect outfielder. Twins Zan and Jay
No work in the cafeteria, but their ability to work
together seamlessly makes them a great shortstop and first base player.
Oh and all these people also happen to be superheroes.
I should mention, but they don't like to brag about it.
So in case he missed it, We've got Wonder Woman, Accoman, Shazam, Cyborg,
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Green Lantern, and the Wonder Twins. Wayne's team practice is
hard getting ready for the big game against Luther Court.
At one point, Wayne pushes the team really hard. At
that moment, Batson bursts into tears, but as we know,
there's no crying in superhero baseball. The team gradually becomes
really close knit, learning more about one another. In a
(41:23):
charming series of vignettes, however, a rivalry develops between siblings
Jana and Zan, and Zan, feeling he is like way
out classed by everybody else, defects to Luther's team. The
day for the big game comes, and Luther has his
own squad of heavy hitters, the Metropolis Bells, Solomon, Grundy, Gorilla, Grod, Sinestro,
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the Joker Zan, each one a formidable opponent except Zan,
because seriously, when your superpower is turning into different kinds
of water, you're just really lame. Oh and there's also
Luther's ace in the whole, a mild mannered Clark Kent,
who was working on a big story about Luther and
agreed to join the team as part of this investigation.
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We get to the game with both teams playing really hard.
Luther's team isn't afraid to get dirty either, cheating at
times when possible. But despite this, the two teams stay
fairly even in their scores, and Wayne is biting his
nails on this one. It comes down to the final inning,
with Wayne's team given a boost when Wonder Woman knocks
a ball deep into right field, bringing home a couple
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of runs, tying up the game. It leaves Shazam on
third base. He'd be the winning run up to bat
is swamp Thing, who I don't think I mentioned earlier
because I couldn't think of a valid reason for him
to be there. But he's there, and he's facing off
against their pitcher, Clark Kit. Clark pitches two strikes before
swamp they could even get his bearings, but on the
(42:47):
third pitch, swamp Thing accidentally makes a wild swing that
happens to connect, driving a grounder to shortstop. Shazam is
racing to home plate when Gorilla Grod fires that ball
and throws it at the catch who is Lex Luthor himself.
Luther catches the ball, but Shazam hits homeplate so hard
it knocks the ball from Luther's glove. It also knocks
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Luther's hand from Luther's arm, and Luther in general turns
into a kind of red misted. Wayne's team celebrates as
Billy Batson is quietly arrested for involuntary manslaughter. There's no
crying in prison, except they're totally his. Wayne can keep
making bats. Luther is not only out of the industry,
but it's like totally dead. And all it took was
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losing Billy Batson. But come on, that guy was a
joke anyway. The end one that was brilliant to you
almost made me like baseball. I mean, it would be
more exciting if there were superpowers, right, Yeah, I love
I love watching baseball, but like I admit, there's a
(43:54):
lot of downtime with baseball. I'm more of a hockey
girl for that reason, a lot more like Constant. I mean,
I would be a fan of hockey if Atlanta still
had a team. Oh man, the reason for Atlanta's team
was to get other teams in, but I think that's
for a different podcast. Yes, or at least a different day. Uh,
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Heart Radio. Hey everybody, welcome to The Large Nerdron Collider,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world and how happy and excited we are about them.
(00:30):
I'm Ariel casting and with me as always is a
dude who is always a home run in my books
Jonathan Strickland. That's foreshadowing. Ariel, I got a question for you.
What fictional location would you most like to visit? This
(00:53):
is a tough one. There's so many it is. I mean,
this was one that I struggled on because as there
are a lot of fictional places that hold a special
spot in my heart. Although, to be fair, a lot
of them some some stuff goes down and some of
those visual locations, Um yeah, it's it's dorky. But Narnia,
(01:18):
Narnia is coolis cool. You got talking animals, You've got
talking animals, You've got you know, a diverse biodome, You've
got magic and wonders. It's just now you do have
the greatest evil ever made. Turkish delight. Turkish is the worst.
(01:39):
I love Turkish Delight. You are do you eat rose?
Flavored Turkish Delight, the chocolate flavor, the chocolate covered rose
flavored Turkish Delight, and lemon Turkish Delight. So like that
is to me, like that is like the that's like
anti candy. It's like eating solid perfume. I used to
(01:59):
have Okay, you know how kids eat Plato. I used
to have a tiscuit, a tasket of flower making basket,
which is a Plato thing, and it had rose scented
plato and it reminded me of that but better tasting.
Shut up. I was a little kid. Um. Yeah, this
was three years ago. Just in case you guys are wondering, Okay,
where would you like to Okay, so there there are
(02:21):
tons that I think of, and uh but I think
the one that I keep going back to is the
Shire from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings the
Shire because I think Hobbits have got the right idea
when it comes to general approach to life, which is
eat your way through it. I am, I'm down with that,
(02:44):
And so that's the one that I think I most
would like to visit. You know, Love Laurien was a
close second on my list, so lame best spreads spread
But but your your point about the food in the shire,
that is that is a strong motivator. Yeah, not interesting
(03:05):
that we both went fantasy locations. Clearly we could have
picked something from a science fiction type of place, but
that that gives us a little I think of myself
as more of the sword than the laser type, so
you know that that's fit. And there's also a lot
of like if I think, well, do I want to
go to Gallifrey from Doctor Who? No, there was a
(03:27):
horrible war that happened there. It's not a happy place too.
I want to go to alder On. No, I don't
you know? You can't. I can't. The locations in Star
Wars are for the most part inhospitable like deserts and
and frozen tundras and salt plains. Yes, maybe maybe Paralandria
if I want to go sci fi, but that's still
(03:48):
kind of fantasy. So well, let's get back to reality
by talking about some of the top news stories in
the geek sphere and launching us off is something that
Ariel and I are so gangbusters for. We got a
trailer for the Snyder cut of the Justice League and uh, Ariel,
(04:13):
what was your reaction to this? New trailer. I think
probably the exact opposite of your reaction, which was I
started it and I went, oh, I don't like this.
I don't know, I don't like Lex Luthor's talking at
the beginning and screaming Superman. And then in the middle
I was like, Okay, I kind of like this flash
(04:35):
of saving a girl from a car. I really liked
the flash in the Justice League, you know, I think
that was great casting and the actor did a great
job with it. So I kind of got excited in
the middle. I mistook because I read an article saying
that Granny Goodness made an appearance in the trailer, and
I'm as stood dark Side for her, because Sex Snyder's
Justice League and all of the DC stuff he does
(04:55):
is so so dark that I was like, well, he
just made an ugly dark version of any Goodness, But no,
it was dark Side. She was standing to his left,
and uh yeah. I couldn't pick out anyone because to me,
every all the villains look vaguely the same to me,
so I was just like, sure, I'll take your word
for it that these characters were in that trailer. She
(05:16):
she looks like a oh, a woman with gray hair. Um,
and then at the end of it, I just I
was like, I was back to that, you know, because
I do not like what they did with the Joker's mouth. Yeah, Like,
I just don't like the I don't know it just
visually it strikes me the wrong way. I hated it,
Um don't. I mean, I just I don't know. I
(05:39):
d C hasn't worked for me. No one's no one's
surprised by this. Keep in mind that before the Marvel
Cinematic Universe, my favorite superhero movie of all time was
the Christopher Reeve Superman film, the Original Superman movie. That's
such a good one. It's a great movie. It's very campy.
It's very campy, but it knows it's ampy, right Like,
(06:01):
it's not can't be by mistake. Um, And I just
find it really entertaining. And so I am clearly the
wrong audience for the Snyder version of DC Universe, and
I acknowledge that. And I'm not saying that they are
bad movies. I say I don't find them entertaining. And
this trailer just kind of reinforced that for me. Again,
I'm not saying it's gonna be a bad movie. It's
(06:23):
gonna be a long movie. I can say that, yes,
you better pack a lunch, but I don't know that
it's gonna be bad. I just know that, like, I'm
still not seeing anything that appeals to me. Now, maybe
this is going to be one of those cases where
the trailer and the finished product are different enough where
(06:44):
I have a very different reaction from the film than
I did from the trailer. That could be a discussion
thing that we have in the future is movies where
we felt it was very different from the trailer we
had seen for that film. But that's a discussion for
another time. Yeah. Now, I mean I will probably watch
this because I feel like I ought to and I
(07:06):
have HBO Max. But I do wish that it had
just been two movies, yeah, I hear you, Yeah, or
mini series like they're originally talking about. If you are
watching it on HBO Max. Though, you could always just
pause it and make it two movies. You just have
to determine. Maybe it's when they start yelling Martha who knows? Yeah, listen.
(07:29):
I started watching The Stand on CBS All Access last night,
and I almost turned the first episode into like four
different episodes because I kept pausing it. Not because it
was bad or anything, just because I haven't heard good
things about that. But then I don't have I don't
have CBS All Access, so I've not seen any of it.
It's interesting. I have no attachment to the source material.
(07:49):
I never read the stand and i'd never watched the
original mini series, so you're not missing much there being
being two episodes in. It's interesting. I understand that the
ending is kind of blah, but um, well, okay, I'm
getting off on a tangent. Let's go back to Zack Snyder. Yeah,
because he's in our next story. Yes, apparently he is
(08:12):
not done with crazy convoluted stories because he's thinking about
doing the legend of King Arthur. Yeah, he said that
he wants to do something that's a more true representation
of the Arthurian legend. The problem is which version of
the Aryan legendary talking about, because there are a lot
of different ones. I mean, Lamour d'Art is the famous one, right,
(08:33):
but there are a lot of others that are, you know,
no less valid. In fact, there are others from that
same time period of Arthurian legend. So it's curious to
see what he means by that. Um, I'm not particularly
excited by that either. I mean, I think I think
it could be good. It could be I'm sure it
(08:54):
would be very grim and dark, but then Artherian legend
does get grim and dark. So I'm curious what you think, Ariel.
I think it is it is a legend that is
already existing in his wheelhouse, which is too much story,
not enough editing. And I love, you know, Authoritian legend,
(09:15):
but it does, like you said, there's lots of versions.
It goes all over the place. There's a bunch of
bunny trails and so well. And it's a collection of stories, right,
It's not like it's one story. It's a bunch of
different stories. Yeah, and so I feel like making a
movie of those bunch of stories is what Zack Snyder
always does. I feel like he has a really hard
(09:35):
time editing down to one story. So I don't know
if it will be good. I don't have as much
distaste for a lot of the King Arthur movies that
have come out in the past um as some people do.
Do you have a favorite, um, I would say probably
the Sam Neil mini series Merlin. Shut Up. You say
(10:00):
shut Up a lot? Okay, Well, it's Merlin. Merlin's very
entertaining Martin Short notwithstanding. But yeah, but I also like
to know Disney Sword in the Stone I like, I
like it's it's not really a Thurian legend, but like
all the takes on the Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's court.
Like for me, it's Excalibur. Excalibur I think is like
(10:22):
almost a perfect movie. Ex Caliber is also a good movie.
So you know, I will be the first person to
say that sometimes I go into a movie not expecting much.
So there are a lot of so so movies that
I really enjoy. Um that's some foreshadowing there too, Yes,
but you know, this is Arthurian legend is one where
(10:44):
I tend to enjoy most of it. So well, We've
got a couple of stories that I am curious about
that we can kind of pair together, which is that
we know a little bit about the casting of two
different projects that are at a tations of video games,
that being Borderlands, where we know that Jack Black has
(11:05):
joined the cast to voice the character of clap Trap,
a robot in the Borderlands video game series, and we
also know that the last of US television series is
going to have Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey as the
two leads of that story. Now, Mariel, have you played
either or watched either border Lands or Last of Us? Um?
(11:29):
I have not played or watched Last of Us other
than the trailers. I have played some Borderlands, and I've
watched a lot of Borderlands. UM. I don't do as
great with strictly first person shooters because I get motion sick.
But I've watched a lot of this story and I
enjoy it and I get casting. You know, Bella Ramsey
and Pedro Pascal have done The Game of Thrones is
pretty dark, so I think they're great casting for Last
(11:51):
of Us. However, as great as I think Jack Black
will be as clap Trap, i'mlike, it's an animated character.
Just use the voice of that character. Yeah. Last I
heard he was working for Rooster Teeth. I don't know
if he still is, but I remember hearing him on
the Rooster Teeth podcast and he actually talked about how
he was the voice of Claptrap and I was like, Oh,
that's kind of cool. Um. Yeah. I I honestly don't
(12:15):
know what to think about the Borderlands one, because I
don't really think of those games as having much of
a story. Um, I mean there's a there's a general
kind of story to it, but there's not there's not
any meat on the bone there. It's essentially there's this
big secret cash of powerful items and you're looking for it,
(12:36):
and there are other people who are bad guys who
are also looking for it, so you need to look
for it harder. I don't think that supports a really
great movie. I could be wrong. Last of Us is
more of a narrative, a traditional narrative. The game plays
out like like a mini series. It feels like you're
playing through something like The Walking Dead, and it has
(12:59):
one heck of an ending. And we know that the
television series is going to closely follow the events of
the first game. It might also incorporate some elements that
were found in the second game, and it's going to
expand on the world of Last of Us, so you're
gonna get more than what was in the video game,
which is also good because again, video games have to
(13:20):
make way for for gameplay, right, and whenever they're making
way for gameplay, you're not really making much of a story.
You're you're playing through stuff. So obviously the television series
has to make some adjustments there or else. If you
boil down the actual story to what it what it is,
it would it would last like two episodes. Yeah, we
(13:42):
also did get casting news for the Dungeons and Dragons
movie movie that we've been anticipating. Um Kind Michelle Rodriguez
were recently announced as well as just As Smith. Now
we have Jean Paige. He's a actor from Britain and
he's joined the D and D group. We don't know,
we don't know what class he's playing. I'm hoping for rogue.
(14:06):
I was going to say, I think he would be
a rogue. That's what he plays in Bridgerton. Yeah, it
was like like, I mean, I don't want to type cast.
I don't want to type guests. I don't want to
type guest. But yeah, it's um, it's this is one
of those those announcements that I thought was really interesting.
I mean, he's clearly very much in the zeitgeist because
Bridgerton has become one of those series that a lot
(14:29):
of people were watching and talking about and talking about
all the sexy times in that show. I'm hoping there
won't be as much sexy times in D and D
because that stuff can go wrong, y'all. You miss a
saving throw, next thing you know, you're you're marrying a manticore.
It's rough. Well, you know, I don't know, because it
just hit me, marrying a manticore. That would be a
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great sitcom. I think it's I think that's the prequel
prequel to Hello from the Magic Tavern. But go ahead, Yes,
it's it's got you know, Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis
daily working on it, and they worked on Spider Man
Homecoming and Horrible Bosses. So like the Spider Man Homecoming
side excites me, the Horrible Bosses side makes me worried
(15:15):
for marrying amanticor. But I guess we'll see. I mean,
if this becomes a film adaptation of Hello from the
Magic Tavern, I'm okay with it. It would it would
not really be a D D series of that point,
but you know, you could, you could. We know you
could do worse, because there have been other D and
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D adaptations and they were terrible. But you know what, Ariel,
I think we should probably have a little conversation about
movies where we had expectations and the result of seeing
that movie subverted those expectations. In one way or another.
Does that sound good to you? It does, but first
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I need to take a quick break. M Arials finished
breaking things, so we're ready to have this conversation. Now
(16:17):
do you want? I think we should start with movies
that we hoped we would like but it turned out
we didn't really like them that much, and then we
can end it talking about movies where we had low
expectations but then we really ended up enjoying it. That way,
we end on a on a positive note. Sure. Sure, um,
So I'm going to start because I feel like people
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have heard me go on this diet tribe before. I
have two movies that I expected to like and really didn't. Um.
And the first one was not as about as the
second one. So the first one is Elf, and I
thought I would like it because everybody built it up
so much. Uh, and then when I watched it, I
was very nonplussed. But the movie, the movie that I
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was excited to go see, and that when I went
to watch it, I just it hit me in all
the wrong ways. Is Sucker Punch. It should be not
a surprise at all to you. This is one of
those movies that did have like the really stylistic trailer
that made it look incredible with elements of like fantasy
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and maybe substeam punk in there, and it just had
it was like a music video style movie trailer that
made that movie just look like it was just oozing cool. Yeah.
And the storyline is there's this girl who gets sent
to an insane asylum and to deal with it, she
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imagines that she's in a brothel, and to deal with
the fact that she's in a brothel, she imagines that
she is fighting Nazis or orcs or giant robots or whatnot. Uh, surprise, surprise.
It's by Zack Snyder. And my biggest problem with the
movie is that there were one too many levels. It
was it was like inception but not handled well all. Yeah. Yeah,
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it was like any of those two levels paired together
would have been a good story, but you had that
third level to it, and it's just too much and
it's too disjointed, and I stopped caring. Yeah, so much potential.
I so full disclosure. I have never seen Sucker Punch Um.
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I wanted to when I saw the trailer, but by
the time I would have been able to go see
the movie where it had gotten out about Ariel Leavin
told me about it. I remember back in the day
you were messaging me about it, and and the more
I heard about the more I thought, maybe I just
give this one a miss, because it also sounded to
me like, well, Snyder, it goes it goes so dark. Um,
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it deals with some very very dark material, and the
everything I heard told me that it did not reconcile
or resolve any of that in a very satisfying way. No,
it's got a it's got a very bleak ending. And again,
like nothing against movies with bleak endings, but if you
wanted a bleak ending, I think it should have just
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been the I've been sent to a sanitarium and I'm
dealing with it by pretending I'm desirable in some way.
Adding that fantasy level almost made fun of those first
two levels, And yeah, like, if if he wanted it
to be poignant and serious, I feel like he should
have taken out the fantasy level, And if you wanted
it to be a little bit more adventurous, he should
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have taken out one of the two bleak levels. Yeah.
I also find what I also find that your escape
mechanism involves you imagining yourself in a different, but in
many ways equally bad. Situation isn't much of an escape mechanism? No, no,
and then you have to use another one, and then
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you have to use another one, and like, none of
the escape mechanisms were great. And I guess there's some
some sort of moral or point to that, but I
just did not find it enjoyable. So what what is
the movie that you thought you would like that you didn't?
So all right, I've I've got I've got four that
i'm gonna uh talk about, but really only only one.
I'm gonna talk about four, I'm gonna mention three. I'm
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going to mention rather so h the Hobbit. But everyone's
heard me talk about the Hobbit. How I really wanted
to like that movie. I had some misgivings simply because
I knew they were making three films and I didn't
think that the book could support three films, and might
I was right. I fell asleep twice. I saw the
movie twice, and I fell asleep in the same two
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spots twice. So that tells you like And that's that
was my favorite book growing up. My favorite book. I
have a Lord of the Rings tattoo on my arm.
I am a Lord of the Rings fan, but yeah,
that that totally failed to meet my expectations. Indiana Jones
and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull another one. I
highly anticipated that movie. I really love the Indiana Jones trilogy.
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I think each movie is interesting in a different way.
I think Raiders is my favorite of the three, but
I like all three for different reasons. Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull comes around. I actually like Shyla buff in it,
but apart from him, there wasn't much in that that
I liked. I didn't think Kate Blanchett was an interesting villain.
I didn't like the science fiction angle as opposed to
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the more mystical angles of the other Raiders films. Um So, yeah,
that one fell short for me. Transformers I was hoping
I would like, but I couldn't even make sense of
that mess. Um. Now, I didn't have high expectations. It's
a movie that's based off a cartoon that itself was
a way to sell toys, so I didn't have high hopes.
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But I couldn't even tell what was going on in
the transformation scenes, and it gave me a very strong
negative opinion of Michael Bay in general. Other elements added
to that, but the movie, the real one I picked
is is um is Star Trek five The Final Frontier,
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because I think movie Star Trek five Kirk versus God. Now,
so so I I was. I was a huge Star
Trek fan growing up, big Star Trek fan, the son
of two Star Trek fans. And you gotta remember that
this movie followed up Star Trek four a Voyage Home,
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which was a very lighthearted, very silly departure for Star Trek.
Like it. It still had an adventure in it, but
it was I mean, there was a lot of comedy
in Star Trek four, which is interesting because my other,
the other one that everyone really loved from that era,
was Star Trek two. There wasn't a lot of comedy
in that one. There was a lot of drama and
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a lot of action. So then Star Trek five comes around.
William Shatner directed it, and it's essentially Kirk versus God
and Kirk wins. And as big a fan of as
I was of Star Trek, I was just like, come on,
he was Mary suing himself to the ends of the
universe and back. I couldn't stand it. So that was
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one that was a huge letdown for me. Yeah. Yeah,
Star Trek five was was pretty weak. I I realized
that my joke about liking it didn't really fly. But
the fact is, I know people used to say every
other Star Trek movie was a good one. The even
ones are good ones for the original, like Star Trek
(23:23):
two as Wrath of con Star Trek Forward's Voyage Home.
Star Trek six is Undiscovered Country, which was you know,
Christopher Plumber, who just recently passed away, was a villainous
klingon who quoted Shakespeare in that in that movie, and
that one was that one was pretty good. I don't
think it's as strong as two and four are, which
are strong for totally different reasons. They're also they're also
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totally so different from each other. That's kind of interesting
that they're all part of the same series, but they
have very different tones. But you know, especially when we
got to the Star Trek Next Generation movies, I just
like them all. It didn't matter if are good or bad.
I still enjoyed. Okay, well this is where our paths part.
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But we're not talking a podcast with you that we're
not talking about the Next Generation movies. So talk about
a movie that you didn't think you were going to enjoy,
or at least you had lower expectations, it turned out
that it exceeded them. So there's a lot of movies
where I thought, you know, this is gonna be an
okay movie, and then it turned out to be a
(24:27):
great delight Central Intelligence Game Night jimmungji. Uh. There are
two movies. One the first one, I'm going to mention
it's not that I had didn't have high expectations, it's
that I didn't expect to like it. And that was
it the most uh current version, not not the second one,
(24:49):
but the first one. The second one was okay, But
you know, I'm not a big horror fan. Uh. I
had watched the mini series with Tim Curry when I
was younger and found it very frightening. And yeah, Harry
Anderson's jokes are terrifying. Yeah they really are. Um. And
so I was like, this is surely going to be good,
(25:11):
but it's just gonna be too scary for me. But
I I quite enjoyed it. Um. But the one, and
I'm almost ashamed to say that I enjoyed it is
I had a bunch of people tell me that I
should watch Spy the Night two fifteen Melissa McCarthy movie,
and I am like, I'm not a big fan of Bride'smaids.
(25:34):
I you know, I or or a lot of Melissa
McCarthy's movies. She is a phenomenal actress who I first
learned about and Gilmore Girls. Honestly that's when she first
hit my radar. But phenomenal actress. She's very funny, and
she does great dramatic work as well. But I find
her her her sense of like disparaging humor just not
(25:57):
almost too cruel, um, a little cruel, a little gross,
but and she is certainly disparaging to herself in Spy.
But it was remarkably funny with Jason Statham and Peter
Sarah Finowitz as foils. Yeah, he was, he was. He
was Darth Maul's voice in The Phantom Menace, and he
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was also he was in Shaun of the Dead and
he was also in Space. Um, fantastic, really fun actor.
And he was the latest Tick as well, Like he's
he's great. These two gentlemen played such a great foil
to her that it was just it not that she
needed help to shine, but it elevated that self depreciation
(26:44):
and gave her a chance to, like, you know, in
the movie, she becomes quite capable. Um. I really enjoyed it.
It certainly goes a little blue for my taste at
some points, but it was like I would watch it again.
It was quite enjoyable. Nice. What about you? Well, for me,
we have to go back to nineteen be nine when
I was a teenager, Yeah, and the movie would be Uh.
(27:06):
And I apologize to you, Ariel for this The Little Mermaid.
I did not pick it because of your name. I
did not pick it because of your name. I picked
it because I was a teenager at the time. And
you have to remember that the Disney animated films that
had been released leading up to Little Mermaid we're seen
as being a big step down from classic Disney. Not
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that they were terrible movies. I mean I didn't like
all of our own company. I don't think I've ever
watched it all the way through because I just didn't
like it. Uh. The Great Mouse Detective is entertaining, but
a lot of people don't remember it. The Black Cauldron
is not very good. It's not a good representation of
Lloyd Alexander's work. The Fox in the Hound was good
but heartbreaking. Yeah. I don't like animal movies like that,
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so so there there had just not been like Disney
had not been in that that classic fairy tale warm
for a long time. So I, as a teenager, had
no interest in seeing this, but my family had bought tickets.
They were determined to go, so I went with them.
And from the opening sequence where the music starts playing
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and you see the big animated ship breakthrough the sea missed,
I immediately was entranced, and halfway through the movie I
was like so mad at myself for being the poopy
head teenager who didn't want to go see the cartoon movie. Uh.
And by the very end of it, I was thinking,
(28:34):
all right, well, I gotta buy the soundtrack because this
thing is amazing. Didn't It didn't hurt that the music
was all written by Ashman and Lincoln who did Little
Shop of Hars and I was a big fan of that.
So um yeah, that was the movie where I I
was determined to be the sulky teenager who hated it
all the way through. I was ready to just pout
(28:55):
my way through that movie, and it won me over.
From the opening sequence and I was on board for
the rest of the ride, and I became a huge
fan of Disney again. Like for a while, I just
like I had loved the classic Disney movies, but I
never really like. I didn't I didn't hate the later stuff.
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I just didn't find it as captivating. And this recaptured
my fascination until Pocahon has destroyed it. Yeah, you know,
I think I think that's completely valid. I'll even mostly
agree as much as I say I have a love
hate relationship with The Little Mermaid. When I first watched it, Yeah,
it's that that first moment is captivating. It's it's pretty baller,
(29:40):
and the music is great and it's a lot of fun.
And it wasn't It was until I really thought about
you know, I always liked the story that Little Mermaid,
even though the original tale is the hunch Kristen Anderson
versions rather bleak. It does not have a happy ending. No,
I still liked it until the ending. Um, you know,
(30:02):
I I liked it until I thought about the story.
And the story is it's a braddy girl who just
gets her way. Well, it's also I mean, there's also
a lot of there's a lot of of elements to
it that, uh in in a more modern sensibility fall
way short, right, Like it's a girl who gives up
her voice so that she can be with a guy
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that she's seen once, Like it's it's it's falling into
those fairy tale tropes that are unrealistic, but you could
also say are potentially harmfully unrealistic. So I can totally
get those criticisms, and I think they are valid. Uh yeah,
It all depends on your threshold of where you can
say it's a fairy tale and not meant to be
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a realistic depiction of relationships and that kind of stuff,
and you can step back or if you're like, no,
this is really messed up. Well, I mean, but if
you and that's part of the problem I have with
a Disney one. If you look at Hans Christian Anderson's version,
it's a cautionary tale about bad like even today could
be viewed as a cautionary tale about making bad decisions
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for you know, somebody you're lusting after, and the repercussions
of of dealing with that. I would argue that that
Disney sort of address that when they did the other
Hans Christian Anderson's story with Frozen, because you actually do
have the story of a young woman who makes some
bad decisions based upon her instantaneous attraction to someone who
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turns out to not be a good person, and then
then the rest of the story kind of escalates from there.
But that was you know, it's a long time to
go before you address those concerns. Yeah, I agree. I
mean there were some consequences in The Lion King, but
it's not the same, no, I mean, I mean, like, like, yeah,
(31:52):
the biggest consequence being that you've got Elton John right
in the music. So it's real. It's real Elton John.
Now that that's a bad thing. It's just real Elton John. Um,
I love Elton John. But it's real Elton John. Okay,
Well that's enough of me saying things that don't really
mean anything. When we come back, we are going to
(32:14):
mash up uh. One of my favorite things in the
whole wide world the d C universe was specifically Justice
League and a classic feel good, uplifting story about a
bunch of women who who step up when all the
men are overseas fighting war. But we'll understand, we'll explain
(32:36):
more after we come back for this break okay, Ariel,
(32:56):
So what are the two properties we are mashing up? So,
as you said, uh, DC is the Justice League and
um a League of their Own, which is Yeah, let's
give a quick overview of what League of their Own
is for those people who don't know. It's also being
adapted into a series, right, Yes, it's being adapted into
a series by Amazon has picked the series up. It's
(33:18):
got a really great cast. Um. They announced it in August,
so we don't have it yet, but it is upcoming.
It's a story about you know, baseball during World War Two,
how the wars is affecting the league, and so a
gentleman decides to start a league of women baseball players.
(33:42):
H and uh. It starts and ends uh with them
being honored and and kind of goes through their journey
to becoming a great team and and a fan favorite,
and then their personal lives and things like that. It's
really great. It's got Gina Davis and Rosie O'Donnell and
all sorts of really great actresses. There's there's Tom Hanks. Uh, yeah,
(34:08):
there's a ton. There's there's a ton of really really
um talented actors in that in that space and They're
all like, it's all done in flashback form, and so
we are now doing Justice League of their own mash up.
And do you know what I'm about to ask you? Aerial? Yeah,
(34:28):
do you want to go first or second? I struggled
with mine, So I don't know if you if you
feel yours is good, maybe I should go first so
that we can end on a high note. I don't
know the mine is good, but it's very Jonathan, Okay,
then I will go first. Um, this is called Major
League Field of their own justice. My story is my
(34:52):
story is about as convoluted as that title. You went,
you went hard on the bash ups? Yes, okay, all right. So,
after the latest attack in Uproar from dark Side, the
excitement of baseball had all but lost its luster to
the American public, and major league team owners were worried
that it would be the final death stroke to the
beloved pastime. Thankfully, one owner, Walter Harvey Steele, owner of
(35:16):
the Star City Rockets, had an idea. He had seen
the prowess with which some local vigilantes fought crime, and
heard of more in other places, and thought, what a
great chance to take a great game and make it
super However, the other team owners were hesitant, thinking that
using such adept individuals would take all the fun out
of the game and no one would want to watch
them play. But Walter would not be deterred. He called
(35:38):
on his good friend and mover and shaker, Amanda Waller,
to help recruit the perfect team to change the owner's
minds and reinvigorate the sport. Amanda started out across the
country recruiting the super she knew of. Soon her team
was created. It consisted of wonder Woman, Stargirl, Supergirl, Black Canary,
Hawk Girl, and Satana. Also Mayra was there, but she
was regulated to being the Water Girl because she wasn't
(36:00):
that great of a player. Um these ladies had never
worked together or played together before. But after a brief
and humorous training montage, the new team, the Super Peaches,
was ready to play ball. Much to Walter's joy, they
proved him right and brought in new crowds, but only briefly.
You see, there was this problem. They thoroughly trounced every
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team they played against, So then Amanda had to go
and recruit a second team to play them. She got Batman, Superman,
the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman and Aquaman as a water
boy just to make it even. And these egotistical guys
were harder to get to work together as a team again,
all being kind of solo artists. But eventually they were
ready to play the Super Peaches. Their team name the
(36:43):
Racing Boys. Racine Boys, Racing Boys. It was a bad
try to tie things together. Okay, so these two teams
were playing each other, but it was dangerous for the spectators.
Tempers ran high, fights broke out, and every game ended
with destroyed stadiums and casual injuries in the stands. So
Amanda and Walter were demanded to put a stop to
(37:04):
these two teams. These teams didn't want to stop, though,
so Amanda and Walter found a spot in the middle
of nowhere, a one Kent farm, and got the Kent's
to agree to let them build a special stadium in
the Kent's biggest field. They called the stadium the Hall
of Dreams Stadium. Once the stadium was built, the super
Teams instinctually came. What the teams and the Kent farms
(37:27):
didn't know was that it was actually a space station.
So as soon as the soups were inside, it blasted
off into space. The Supers were told via intercomment that
they had to stay in the space station until they
learned to play together nicely, and that they were banned
from ever playing baseball on Earth again. The teams decided
that they would just play each other in outer space
because they didn't like being told what to do. Uh.
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They would be the only two teams in the league,
and that was just their's and they called it the
Just Us League. Yes, I know that's an old, played
out joke, but stay with me. They renamed the Hall
of Dreams to the Hall of Justice. Uh. And every
now and then some villain team like the Legion of
Doom or the Dark Side Elites or the Apocket Hitters
would try to join in on their baseball games, but
(38:11):
they were always defeated. So those villain teams turned to crime,
and the Justice League turned to the Justice League to
stop them, which is okay because by that time they
were really tired of baseball. The end that I was,
I mean, I was amazed that we didn't get the
rookie in there, but everything else like so many baseball
(38:33):
movie references. All right, um, you will see that I
very quickly decided to abandon making a more overt reference
to League of their Own, although there is some spirit
of it in mine. Mine is just justice League of
their Own. And here it goes. Bruce Wayne, head of
Wayne Enterprises of Gotham City, has a big problem. Well really,
(38:57):
he has a bunch of problems. One say, his parents
were murdered in crime Alley when he was a kid,
and that kind of thing. Man, that just messes you up.
But Bruce was able to stay on the straight and narrow,
and he inherited his father's enormous business where they were
making sporting equipment. While Wayne was expected to embrace golf
or maybe tennis, he learned early on that baseball was
(39:19):
his true love. In fact, when he was little, you
could say that Bruce was quite the bat boy. But
now he's a batman. But Bruce has a new problem.
An upstart businessman named Lex Luthor has opened up his
own baseball bat company in Metropolis, just across the way
from Gotham, and Luther is using all sorts of underhanded
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means to make bats on the cheap, undercutting Wayne's product
and doing a measurable harm through predatory employment practices in
the process. Wayne, in an effort to compete against this menace,
proposes a contest, a company softball game, Wayne versus Luther.
Winner gets to stay in business. The loser leaves Luther
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and seeing the opportunity to get a monopoly on bats
in the Northeast, agrees, and so Bruce rushes around to
form a great team, the Gotham Peaches. He finds that
Diana Prince, who works in accounting, has a wondrous pitching arm.
He also learns that Arthur Curry, the guy who delivers
water to all the water coolers and Wayne Enterprises, I mean,
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he's a real aquam man, is also an incredible catcher.
Billy Batson, who seems pretty immature for an adult, is
as his name suggests, a pretty good batter himself. Victor Stone,
who is really into robotics to the point where his
coworkers jokingly call him Cyborg, makes an amazing third baseman.
Hal Jordan's, who keeps the lights on even in the
(40:42):
darkest night, is the perfect outfielder. Twins Zan and Jay
No work in the cafeteria, but their ability to work
together seamlessly makes them a great shortstop and first base player.
Oh and all these people also happen to be superheroes.
I should mention, but they don't like to brag about it.
So in case he missed it, We've got Wonder Woman, Accoman, Shazam, Cyborg,
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Green Lantern, and the Wonder Twins. Wayne's team practice is
hard getting ready for the big game against Luther Court.
At one point, Wayne pushes the team really hard. At
that moment, Batson bursts into tears, but as we know,
there's no crying in superhero baseball. The team gradually becomes
really close knit, learning more about one another. In a
(41:23):
charming series of vignettes, however, a rivalry develops between siblings
Jana and Zan, and Zan, feeling he is like way
out classed by everybody else, defects to Luther's team. The
day for the big game comes, and Luther has his
own squad of heavy hitters, the Metropolis Bells, Solomon, Grundy, Gorilla, Grod, Sinestro,
(41:44):
the Joker Zan, each one a formidable opponent except Zan,
because seriously, when your superpower is turning into different kinds
of water, you're just really lame. Oh and there's also
Luther's ace in the whole, a mild mannered Clark Kent,
who was working on a big story about Luther and
agreed to join the team as part of this investigation.
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We get to the game with both teams playing really hard.
Luther's team isn't afraid to get dirty either, cheating at
times when possible. But despite this, the two teams stay
fairly even in their scores, and Wayne is biting his
nails on this one. It comes down to the final inning,
with Wayne's team given a boost when Wonder Woman knocks
a ball deep into right field, bringing home a couple
(42:26):
of runs, tying up the game. It leaves Shazam on
third base. He'd be the winning run up to bat
is swamp Thing, who I don't think I mentioned earlier
because I couldn't think of a valid reason for him
to be there. But he's there, and he's facing off
against their pitcher, Clark Kit. Clark pitches two strikes before
swamp they could even get his bearings, but on the
(42:47):
third pitch, swamp Thing accidentally makes a wild swing that
happens to connect, driving a grounder to shortstop. Shazam is
racing to home plate when Gorilla Grod fires that ball
and throws it at the catch who is Lex Luthor himself.
Luther catches the ball, but Shazam hits homeplate so hard
it knocks the ball from Luther's glove. It also knocks
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Luther's hand from Luther's arm, and Luther in general turns
into a kind of red misted. Wayne's team celebrates as
Billy Batson is quietly arrested for involuntary manslaughter. There's no
crying in prison, except they're totally his. Wayne can keep
making bats. Luther is not only out of the industry,
but it's like totally dead. And all it took was
(43:31):
losing Billy Batson. But come on, that guy was a
joke anyway. The end one that was brilliant to you
almost made me like baseball. I mean, it would be
more exciting if there were superpowers, right, Yeah, I love
I love watching baseball, but like I admit, there's a
(43:54):
lot of downtime with baseball. I'm more of a hockey
girl for that reason, a lot more like Constant. I mean,
I would be a fan of hockey if Atlanta still
had a team. Oh man, the reason for Atlanta's team
was to get other teams in, but I think that's
for a different podcast. Yes, or at least a different day. Uh,
(44:18):
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we look forward to lots more conversations. And until that time,
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I'm sorry. Someone was supposed to tell you take it.
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M m m m hm hm. The Large New Drunk
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created by Ariel Kasten. Jonathan Strickland is the executive producer.
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