July 1, 2021 • 55 mins
After a musical romp through this week's news, we discuss what makes a good villain, and then take a sweet musical and mash it up with a a movie full of misunderstood creatures.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Nerdrun Collider Podcast is a production of My
Heart Radio. Hi everybody, welcome to the Large nerdron Collider Podcast,
the podcast that's all about the giggy things happening in
the world around us and how very excited we are
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about them. I'm Ariel casting and with me as always is.
Jonathan doesn't like to watch the trailers strickling. I mean,
you cut me to the quick, but it's all true. Hi, Ariel,
how are you? I'm good? How are you? I'm good?
I have another question for you besides how are you? So,
here's your question. Alright, Ariel, You've been called up to
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be in a tag team wrestling match, going up against
the current champions, and your partner can be anyone, real
or fictional. Who do you pick? I mean, like, gut
reaction would be the Hulk. Um, but like I'm worried
for my opponents. That's the case. They are very bad people.
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You don't need to be worried about them. Okay, then
then the Hull. You know, I'm going to go with
my gut The Hulk. He's one of my favorite superheroes.
I like how he smashes things and and he has
experience in fighting in arena style matchups, exactly exactly. How's
about you, squirrel Girl. I feel like that's like your
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answer for I mean, it's it's you. You automatically win, right,
Like maybe I'll have to do anything. Squirrel Girl will
beat everybody, the referee, the other team, the crowd. She's
she's got rabid. I mean, I don't know how she
does it. She just does it right. I'm not here
to tell squirrel Girl how to do her thing fair enough.
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I'm just here to collect the gold belt at the
end of the match so that I have something, you know,
a really nice successory, and then I gotta figure out
what I'm gonna do with it. Hang it on your
wall with all of your other behind me. Yes, yes,
which no, none of our listeners can see. But there's
a couple of welcome to Nightville posters and a Minecraft
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torch and some mukuleles, a Pride flag and a poster
with me on it. All I can see is like
a little bit of your white shoulder. So I wasn't sure. Yeah,
that's a that's a tech stuff poster. Well, we have
some cool geeky stuff to talk about this week, some
stuff that we're excited about. One of those being a
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new shuan Chi trailer where you know, we we saw
the teaser a couple of months ago, and I'm only
dug the teaser. I thought it was effective and gave
a kind of cool overview of what some of the
movie was about without giving away too much. This new
trailer we get a little bit more. We get a
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lot more backstory about the relationship between Shang Chi and
his father. Yeah, and a little bit with his mom. Um.
I guess because it's the backstory just didn't get grabbed
me quite as much as the initial teaser did. Um.
But then in reading the articles about the trailer that
came out, I realized that the Abomination from the Ed
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Norton Hulk is in it. Yeah. Yeah, And you know
we had heard that Ed Norton or not Ed Norton.
I'm sorry that Tim Roth, who played Abomination, that he
was going to come back and and play Abomination in Shield.
So it may very well be that we have tim
Roth in uh In in shuan Chi as well, or
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at least the Abomination version of that character. Also, did
you did you notice who Abomination was fighting? I didn't.
I just assumed it was shuan Chi. No, it's not
shaan Chi. It's a sorcerer. It's one of the sorcerers.
And in fact, it might be one that we've seen
before because he's he's got the the golden disks up.
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Oh is it? Um, Benedict Wonk. Yes, that's who I
think it is. Okay, that's just me thinking that. That's
because we don't get a real look at his face
in the short little snippet we see in the trailer.
But yeah, it looks like there's sort of a tournament
kind of thing going on, and those are two of
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the participants in the tournament. Yeah, and I'm I'm sorry,
I can't remember his character's name. I just remember the
actor's name. Um. Although now it is hitting me how
very funny it is to have two Benedicts and doctor Strange. Yes,
but it's looks cool. I think I think this is neat.
It's got like, it's clearly got a lot of fantastical
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elements to it. I mean there's a lot of sort
of woush you kind of like the crouching tiger, hidden
dragon sort of feel to some of it. Uh, there's
some more of the kind of classic Marvel adventure action
stuff wrapped in there, So I'm I'm really curious to
see how this all shakes out. It looks it looks
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good to me. I mean, it's interesting because it's another
one of those characters that I don't know that much about,
so I'm excited to kind of go into it, you know,
largely without preconceptions. Yeah. The Marvel movies about the characters
who I have very little pre existing investment in, seem
to have the most reward for me in general. I mean,
Guardians of the Galaxy is the same way. So yeah,
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I agree with you. And uh, you know, we also
learn more about the Ten Rings, which is something that's
been talked about since the first Iron Man movie, so
that's also kind cool. Yeah yeah, um, you know, I'm
really looking forward to seeing Saarin in there, and uh
not not those rings. We should probably move on to
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something else, we should, So our next story is another trailer. Uh.
Last week, prior to our episode, Jonathan and I were like, oh,
we're not going to talk about trailers too much because
you guys can't really see them. So we will post
links to the articles and the trailers in our show
notes if you haven't seen them already and want to
check them out at www dot larger r drunker dot com.
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But there were too many good ones to talk about
this week, and so Apple TV is doing an adaptation
of Isaac Adsmov's Foundation Series. Yeah. The Foundation Series started
off as a series of short stories that Isaac Asimov
published or wrote and had published in the nineteen forties
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and fifties, and it follows sort of the course of
a lactic empire that's in decline and how characters are
attempting to salvage what they can in order to minimize
the impact of that decline, um largely through the the
efforts of a mathematician who has sort of predicted this
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downfall by just looking at the math of it, kind
of looking it's sort of like the law of big numbers.
You're looking at these huge patterns and discovering that the
actual galactic empire is itself about to fall apart, which
gets them into some hot water with the the rulers
of the Galactic Empire. The trailer makes it look way
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more action oriented that the stories, where the stories were
kind of more like socio political kind of stories. They
weren't like, you know, pup you laser stories. But it
looks like we're going to get some pupe laser action
in the Foundation uh series. There. Yeah, we knew they
were going to take some liberties. I know. I showed
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this to my mom because she loves the Foundation series,
and she was like, well, I don't remember that being
the story. Um, but you know, I feel like sometimes
we've talked about it before, adaptations make for a better
viewing experience when they move a little further away from
the source material, making more cinematic. I mean, honestly, like,
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if you were to tell me somehow I had managed
to be ignorant of the fact that there was a
Foundation series being made anyway, if you had told me
that that was happening, I would have said, but why
because because I wouldn't think of it as being something
particularly filmable. So I'm not like up in arms about
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the changes. I think that they're probably necessary in order
to tell a dramatic story. Like it's the story is
interesting just on its own, but I don't think of
it as being the kind of interesting that's going to
attract a sci fi loving viewership, right, So, um, but
you know, I'm not sure if I'm gonna actually dig
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this one. Honestly, I don't have Apple Plus yet, which
is what this series is on. But considering what we're
about to talk about in a second, I have a
feeling that maybe I'll end up getting Apple Plus and
have yet another streaming service I gotta deal with. I mean,
I might buy Apple Plus for like a month to
watch this and the other thing we're about to talk about.
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The thing with this, the reason why you probably missed it.
Originally it was going to be on Netflix and then
it got delayed, and then I got picked up by
Apple TV, so oh interesting. And Netflix is not known
for letting stuff get away, so that is interesting. Yeah. Yeah,
I think they changed writers as well, but I'm not certain. Yeah. Maybe,
and maybe in that process that's where we started to
see a kind of a further departure from the way
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the story was originally told in the book and the
short stories. But yeah, I mean, we'll take a look
and see. It's I'm always happy to see more sort
of prestige science fiction come out, right, like it's it's
nice to see stuff that is beyond just the the
kitchy and goofy sci fi. Not that I don't like that.
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I love kitchi and goofy sci fi too, but it's
fun to see things that are they kind of span
the gap between the kitchy, goofy fun SF and the
super duper serious, heavy s F. You know, like there's
you know, there's there's some room in the middle there,
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and I think this kind of takes that space. I
agree on the super kitchy side of things, although I
guess it's not technically science fiction. Apple Plus is also
giving us a show called Megadoon Ye, which yes, is
a play on Brigadoon. It's Cecily Strong from Saturday Night Live,
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who is one of my favorite comedians on the show,
and Keegan Michael Key as a couple who stuck in
a musical town. So very much feels to me, and
then they have to deal with their relationships. So to me,
it feels like Gallivant meets the Good Place. Yeah. I
think that's a pretty good explanation that you know, you
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see in the trailer that that that Strong and Key
are kind of bickering a bit, like it's clear that
their relationship is at a place where they're not particularly
happy with where it is. Then they stumble upon this
idyllic town where everyone is singing for some reason and
they realize they cannot leave. Um. And I agree, I
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think I think Gallivant is a really good comparison. It
feels like it has that sort of cheeky, self aware
sense of humor. Um. And obviously there's actually actual references
to musicals in the trailer, both references like direct references
where the characters are talking about musicals, as well as
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within the songs. Uh, there's a song they sing about
Smiga Dune that is clearly a very loose parody of Oklahoma.
Yeah right, Yeah. And beyond that, they've cast a lot
of big Broadway names in it, Alan Cumming, Christine Chenowith,
Jane Krakowski, and Martin Short, among others. They also have
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a yes it's right. And then Fred Armison, who I
honestly have no idea if he's done anything on Broadway
at all, but he's a very funny man. So yeah,
And I mean he's done like musical stuff on on
shows like Portlandia, but he hasn't done as far as
I know, he hasn't really done a lot of like
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stage musicals on like the big stage. But yeah, it's
it's you know, seeing Alan coming in there. I mean
he's seeing Alan coming in any gay. He's one of
my favorite performers to watch. Um he looks demented as
heck in that trailer, and I am here for it.
I would say, isn't that just kind of his usual
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m O? Though? I mean yeah, I mean you could.
You could probably make that argument, and you could probably
back it up, but I don't care. He does it well.
Kristin Chenowith, though, is not really necessarily playing to the
like I always associate her with as Glinda from Wicked,
right because she originated the role. In this, it looks
like she's playing the lead of a group of older
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women who are all kind of the dour um judges
of various members of society. They made me think of
the characters from The Music Man Thee Yeah, pick a
little talk a little Yeah. It makes me think of
them a lot, like And because there's a point where
she turns and says, can I get a cackle? And
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I'm like, yeah, this is that's very much in the
line of that kind of character. So I have a
feeling that this is a show or this is this
is a production rather that um that people who of
musicals particularly like classic musicals are really going to get
a lot out of it. Looked like it was definitely
more of a throwback to that classic era of musicals
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like Oklahoma, like The Music Man, not so much, you know,
Spring Awakening or Dear Evan Hansen or something like that.
And Lord Michaels is actually executive producing this, so that's
also a little fun probably and Fred Armison's in it.
Our next story is about something that's not brand new,
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but rather something that came out earlier this year that
then changed, which is One Division's post credit scene and
it's in its a series finale. Now, in case you
have not watched One Division, what's wrong with you? Pause
this and go watch it. We can wait until you
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get back. We are going to talk about the post
credit scene at the end of the final episode, which
you know, depending on your point of view, has some
spoilers in it. I would say it definitely has spoilers
in it unless you've already seen it. There's at least
one big one right anyway, So the scene that we're
talking about, the way it plays out in the original
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clip is that you've got the swooping shot, probably a
drone shot that's just going over a a remote lake
and there's a cabin at the end of the lake.
It's in front of a couple of trees. There's appears
to be like a duck or something in the lake
in front of it. And the camera swoops down. You
see that Wanda is sitting out on the porch, sipping
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a cup of tea. She's just kind of wearing sweats,
you know, nothing special. She gets up and starts to
walk into the cabin. We follow her in, but instead
of staying with her, we take a turn to a
different room, and there we see Wanda as the astral
version of the Scarlet, which, floating in mid air, use
magic to read the Dark hold, a very powerful, very
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dangerous magical book in the Marvel universe that she gets
earlier in the series. Yes, and then she glances up
as as you hear her children crying out in some
form or fashion. And that's it. And then, now, if
you were to watch one division, you'll still get the
sequence I just described, but certain things are different now.
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I mean, mainly, they've just made the area that she's
staying in look a little healthier, which I'm not entirely
sure why. And then there's this like weird. Somebody pointed
it out on TikTok and it's we talked about last
week how people are like sometimes focus on the easter
eggs more than the story, and this is one of
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those instances, because there's just like this like discoloration that
stays the same shape and grows slightly larger as they
pan in on the cabin where Wanda staying. And a
lot of people think that it could be doctor strange
that I've had some I've read that some people also
think it might be a vision. I have another. I
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have another possibility for you arial start, for me to
destroy your world. It's just mess up in the c
G I. So here's here's the deal. If you watch
the original post credit sequence, there is no little blurry
bit in that in that corner right. That's new in
the new version. However, if you also watch the original sequence,
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when the camera starts to zoom in on the cabin,
you can see through a window of the cabin a
little bit of light and it looks like it might
have been a monitor, like a like perhaps a monitor
for the film crew. And the guess I've seen is
that what has happened is someone created a little digital
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overlay to block that so that the light so you
didn't see that light anymore, so that didn't have that
mistake in there, but they forgot to to the essentially
just overlaid over the entire shot, not just that little bit,
so that blurry you're seeing is actually the little patch
essentially that was applied to make that light go away.
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So it's literally nothing more than an artifact from an
attempted fix of something else, and it's not indicative of
any other character's presence. However, that being said, when you
see Wanda floating there and reading from the dark Hold,
the music that plays is the Doctor Strange theme, and
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they actually have a credit for the Doctor Strange theme
at the end of the episode. Now that was also
added in. That was added in, but I think that's also, uh,
just because she's going to be in the Multiverse of Madness,
But I'm thinking that it might be something where that
sequence ends up being added into the Doctor Strange in
the Multiverse of Madness, and that we see Strange appear
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at that sequence, similar to how we saw Strange interact
with thor Um at the end of it of a
movie and then we saw that full sequence later in
a different movie. And we do know that Doctor Strange
at one point was supposed to make an appearance in
one division, but that didn't work out. Yeah, they cut
it out because they didn't want to detract from Wanda's
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story or growth um or capabilities. I do find it
interesting that that little one that Disney is usually very
um very detailed, that they would have left that in,
and two that it is kind of person shaped though
it doesn't move, it is just a static shape the
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entire time. Yeah, that's why I think that. That's why
I think it's a mistake, and that will probably get
a third version of this post credit scene where they
go in and remove it again. Yeah. But I've also
read that people are saying that this is low Key
working with the t v A and that his going
through the low Key series is causing changes to the
want a Verse, which is a really cool theory. But
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I just don't I don't see how going back and
changing something like that super on the download would really
benefit Disneys or Marvel's storytelling. Yeah. I mean, now, granted,
if you end up finding out that they start making
changes to the Falcon and the Winter Soldier too, This
could be the most brilliant guerrilla marketing ever, but it
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would also be really weird. I mean you would also
bump up their views because people would have to go
back and watch a second time. Then they'd probably go,
let me just watch the entire series. Yeah, I think
you are probably right in your summation. It's just a
patch that they put on and forgot to take out.
Though again I'm surprised at them for forgetting to take
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it out. But uh yeah, it'll be interesting to see
how this plays out or if they go, oh, yeah,
let's make this something. Yeah. You never know, Like sometimes
these do become opportunities for filmmakers to say, like, well
that was a mistake, but we could go ahead and
make it a thing that we did quote unquote on purpose.
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So yeah, we'll have to wait and see. Yeah, someone
else who's taking an opportunity is Amazon and Neil Gaiman,
because they are coming out with a season two of
Good Omens, which I don't think very many people suspected
would happen at all. No, I I certainly didn't because
season First of all, we didn't know it's going to
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be a season of Good Omens at all. Right, we
just thought. This is a mini series adaptation of a
book which has an ending, and the mini series ended
where the book did, But now we're going to get
a season two. We don't know many details about it
other than that Michael Sheenan and David Tennant are coming
back to reprise their roles. UM very interesting to see. Like,
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I'm apparently Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett were talking out
a potential sequel to Good Omens when they wrote the
first book, but just never quite happened. So I'm really
curious about this. I honestly did not expect it at all.
Neither did most of our friends, who all flipped out
when they found out it was going to happen. Yeah,
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I'm glad that Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaming kind of
talked about it to to lay that groundwork. Not that
Neil Gaming couldn't write something brilliant on his own, but
it is really such a collaborative effort. Um. I just
hope that they really finalize their story for it before
they start filming, because the saddest thing to me would
be for them to bring these characters back and then
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not have a strong story. Yeah, I mean Neil gaming
is pretty reliable. But I feel the same way right because,
like American God's kind of got a little off track
for lots of reasons, not that it wasn't necessarily script related,
but that that became kind of a nightmare scenario with
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a revolving door situation as far as people behind the scenes,
and so you definitely don't want to see something like
that happen. But those characters were so much fun, so
I really do look forward to seeing them do more stuff,
as do I. As do I. And speaking of characters,
we're going to take a quick break and when we
come back, we're going to talk about some of our
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favorite villains because the recent Cruella movie got us thinking
about it, so we're going to do that in a
few minutes. Okay, So Ariel and I both like playing
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bad guys. Yes, playing bad guys is fun. It is.
You and I both have a background at working at
places like the Renaissance Festival, where those kind of performances
are very much over the top. It's not the kind
of like subtle performance you would expect and say television
show or a movie. It's much much bigger, which means
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that we tend to gravitate towards more colorful and flamboyant
and big choice villains. I know that my list, I
certainly have a few that fall into that category. Um,
So let's talk a bit about them. And I'll start
because I've got two that I think go right hand
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in hand or hand in hook as it were, Um,
Captain Hook being one, and Doc Terminus from Pete's Dragon
the original Pete Dragon being another. Um. Because both of
these characters are are are are kind of their showoffs
right like there, they are somewhat flamboyant and um, they
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both of them have like very fancy layered costumes, and
they have this this air of aristocracy kind of like
like they should be, uh in a much higher position
than they are, and they believe that wholeheartedly. And it's
just because of circumstance that they find themselves in slightly
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less lofty places. And I just find them both they
both feel like they're kind of um hucksters or or
a conman. I mean Doc Terminus certainly is, he's a
snake oil salesman. Um. And uh, those are two characters
that I used as sort of models when I was
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creating my Lord Admiral character for the Renaissance Festival. Is
that those kind of characteristics and mannerisms. I took a
lot from those characters to kind of make this this
villain who's very full of himself and lacks any self awareness. Yeah,
I mean I tend to like that as well, although
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I vier a little away from the flamboyant and more
to like them the suave, the charming allen so like
for me, great charming villains that are still a little
bit boisterous would be like Ursula from The Little Mermaid,
which I know you also like her as a villain.
We've talked about how she might be one of the
few Disney villains we'd really like a backstory for. Um. Yeah,
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I guess Captain Hook would be another one, though again
I know his story already. And then like old school Riddler,
like the old Adam West Batman, Riddler is one of
my favorite villains of all time. He's just Um, I
don't like the New Riddler where he's so dark and
and very zodiac killer. I like that old school suave. Uh. Again,
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I'm above it all so I can kind of laugh
at this situation sort of a character, I guess the
way they've changed baron Zimo in Falcon and Winter Soldier,
he would also fall into that category. I wasn't a
huge fan of him in in Winter Soldier, in Captain
America Winter Soldier, but I did like him in Falcon
and Winter Soldier, So yeah, that was that felt like
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a redcon type of approach to that particular character, especially
like everyone has seen the memes of him doing the
little dance move and in magrapor Um, and of course
everyone wants that coat of his Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Like so some of the some of the villains I
like are not terribly effective, but they're very comedic, like
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Lex Luthor in the Superman film from the late nineteen seventies,
so played by Gene Hackman. He runs the gamut of
effective to non effective, depending version you're looking at. His
whole plan is to use explosives to make part of
California break off, so that the worthless desert land he
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has will become beachfront property and that will make him wealthy.
That's his plan in Superman. It is a dumb plan.
It's reflective of the way Superman and d C comics
were in the you know, in parts of the sixties
and seventies, they started to get a little campy. Now
in the seventies they also kind of took another turn
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and started to go really dark again. But the Superman
film was still very much kind of tapping into that
same energy of the Batman television series, of that sort
of campiness and silliness. So your villain wasn't particularly menacing.
I mean, he does at one point attempt to drown
Superman by you know, putting a chain with a big
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piece of Kryptonite on it around his neck, but it's, uh,
he doesn't come across as particularly menacing through most of
the movie. He's he's really more again, someone who has
a much higher opinion of himself than anyone else does,
with maybe the possible exception of Otis, his goofy sidekick.
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Mhm yeah, but more than that. For me, what makes
a really good villain is someone who has a grounded
reason for being a villain and then also very genuinely
believes that they're making the world a better place for
at least some people based on that and and and
not selfishly so like like if you look at Thanos
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from the Marvel movies, and I hate to keep going
back to Marvel, because I don't always think they do
villains well, but I think they've done a couple of
villains well. Fanos Cassilius from Doctor Strange. Fanos really believed
that he was benefiting the universe. He thought he was
being selfless in his acts to save people, he had
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to sacrifice some people. And to me, the really interesting
villains always have that sort of approach of, look, I'm
actually trying to make things better. It's just we've gotten
to a point where we have to do this to
make things better. I always find that very deep. Well,
and you've got You've also got the Vulture on your list,
which is another great example, because that's a character who
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also had a strong justification for behaving the way he
did because he was cheated out of what he had
been promised and he had no recourse, like he had
no no legitimate way to turn to have his situation corrected,
and so when when presented with no alternative, he ends
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up turning to crime. And uh, you know again, it's
he's presented such a way that you feel you're probably
gonna feel at least a little sympathy toward him. He's
not now Michael Keaton does a great job playing that character.
He's not like the warm, fuzzy villain. But you you
sit there and say, like, no, I can see where
his point of view is. I mean, like um, kill
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Monger was another great example of a character who had
a very strong motivation that was hard to disagree with.
It's interesting though, because and I totally agree that giving
villains motivations and explanations for they are the way they
are and you can understand their point of view. Uh,
it makes makes them more complex and you you identify
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more with them, and it makes them more interesting. But
oddly enough, a lot of my favorites are far more simplistic.
They take almost that fairy tale approach of this is
a bad guy, right, Like, it's not this this person
thinks that they're in the right and they'll do anything
they that they can in order to achieve their goals.
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It's more like, this person is bad And I don't know,
maybe it's because I'm just like the simplicity of it.
Whereas like in real life, we know there's so many
different shades of gray, and it's kind of terrifying to
think that some of the people who say some of
the worst things you've ever heard truly believe those things
and think that they're in the right for saying them.
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So it almost feels better when you're like seeing someone
who who is evil and they like acknowledge it, like
that's part of their that's part of their their self identity. UM. So,
like even characters like Joker from the Dark Knight series,
where you know Heath Ledger's version of Joker, where that
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that's a character who is sort of chaos personified, and
doesn't you you get you get lies about his background,
like he when he's explained where he gets his scars.
You can't trust anything he says because he says something
different every time. UM. To me, like that was interesting
because I don't need to know what motivations are. Uh.
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I mean granted the film Joker did that anyway, but
I don't need to know um for him to be
an effective villain for me. I mean I get that.
And and definitely in the real world level of things,
that is it is an upsetting thought to believe that
some of the things that some people say they think
they're really correct in making the world a better place
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when you know from the outside looking in, you can say, oh,
that's horrible. Um. If I can separate the fantasy from
the reality, that's when I like it. But what I
will say, and I know I've said this before and
I'm gonna say it again, if you make a simple
fairytale villain, I don't need you to make them sympathetic
later on. Yes, Maleficent or Crulla. From what I understand,
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that movie is other than having the lead character have
the black and white hair and having her too henchman
have the same hench people have the same name. Like,
it seems like it doesn't really have anything to do.
It kind of feels like it retcons her entire story, right,
Like it's like the character from hundred one Dalmatians is
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not remotely the same character as Cruella from the Corolla film. Uh.
You know I and these sort of things frustrate me
because at that point I would say, like, well, why
why didn't they just make a movie, um, about a
character without making that character Cruella, Uh, to tell the
story because otherwise you've got this weird disconnect and you
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could have a really good story, now get it. The
name recognition is the big part of it, right. The
fact that people are like, oh, I want to see
how Cruella became Cruella. Well, it's a bait and switch
because you don't, right, um is That's how I felt
about small Ville. I felt Smallville kept setting things up
where it was winking to the audience about look how
clever we are. Lex Luthor just said our friendship is
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going to be the stuff of legends to Clark like, oh,
we know what that means. And they kept setting things
up that as someone who knows about Superman, you already
know what the payoff is going to be. But then
they never pay it off, and you're like, well, now
that's now, that's not even a set up anymore. That's
just something someone said. I think I only watched the
first two or three seasons of Smallville. I never got
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out when the getting was good. Oh say, I never
got to the end. I assumed they paid it off.
I know that they made like Luthor bald, so I
just assumed that that would be payoff. No, no, it was.
It was just bad. It was just it was. There
were a lot of little moments where they were hinting
at things and then they subvert it later on, And
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to me, you can't have it both ways. You can't
have it where you're setting things up and you're telling
the audience go with us, You're going to find out
how we go from this to that thing you love,
and then subvert it and say, oh, actually we're not
going to that thing your love, We're going to something different.
Like I feel like that's disingenuous. It kind of gets
off the path of villains. But lex Luthor plays a
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really big part in that. Um. Yeah, like I I think,
I think you know, you can have very scary villains
that are very effective. Like again, when it comes to
scary ones, one of the ones I like a lot
is uh is Mike Myers from the Halloween movies, which
in the scripts was just referred to as the Shape
because it wasn't even a character so much as sort
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of a force of chaotic nature. Um, kind of like
the Shark and Jaws. Well, I've got the alien from
Alien listed as as almost more of a force of nature.
It's doing what it does so to us attacks villainous.
I actually kind of I didn't put down the Shark
from Jaws or many animals. I know when people list
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all time favorite villains, the Shark from Jaws comes up often,
or the dinosaurs in Drassic Park or whatnot. But to me,
like alien doesn't really count, but animals, it's hard for
me to view them as villains, right because they're doing
what they do. Yeah, well, and that's that's kind of why.
Like I would say that Myers in the Halloween films
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falls more on the animal side than on the villain side,
because he's never given any kind of humanity unless you
try and watch the terrible rob zombie version, which I
recommend you do not do. So, Yeah, interesting, I think
it's I think it's interesting to see the kind of
stuff that we find makes effective villains. I'm curious if
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our listeners have like certain aspects that they associate with
a really good villain, Like what makes a really compelling
or interesting or entertaining villain? And I recommend that you
guys write to us and let us know, and we'll
tell you more about that at the end of the episode.
But we have something else we have to do before
we get to the end, um besides take a quick break,
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and that is to do our mash up, which we
will do after we take this quick break. So, Ariel,
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what are the two properties were mashing up today? Well,
we're mashing up. I did mention dinosaurs from Jurassic Park,
and so we're doing Jurassic Park. And then we got
a news story. We get actually a bunch of musical
news stories this week. We weren't able to cover them all,
but one of them is that Harry Connick Junr. Is
going to be playing uh Mr Daddy Warbucks's war Mr
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Daddy Oliver Warbucks in Annie Live, the next installment of
Why are they putting a musical on TV? For us?
Which is actually a little bit um route of me
to say. I didn't mind the Whiz at all. I
just think they haven't found quite the right formula yet.
But then over the pandemic, we had a whole bunch
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of the shows must go on, and I've enjoyed some
of those, so um, I'm just being snarky anyhow, Yeah,
he's going to be in it, Troggi p Henson's gonna
be Miss Hannaghan. I think that's great casting and I
will watch it because I like Annie and I like
those actors, and I think they're both very talented performers
and singers. I'm deeply offended that they didn't reach out
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to me to be Rooster. I mean, I would love
to be Rooster's girlfriend, whose name I cannot remember at
the moment, because she's a hilarious character. She's a hilariously
small character. Yeah, I'd like to be her. Wouldn't mind
being Miss Hand again, but I think Tragic p Hansen could.
She's way more talented of a talented singer than I.
So well, and and so for those who don't know,
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just to give you a quick rundown, Annie is, of
course the musical adaptation of Little Orphan Annie, story about
a a precocious, rambunctious, young orphaned girl who ends up
be falling to the care of a billionaire Daddy Warbucks.
Um bet you can't guess how he made his money,
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and uh and and yeah it's it's a long running
there's a long running comic strip and a beloved musical
that's had a couple of adaptations that are, to lesser
degrees beloved, and um yeah, so that's gonna be one
of them. And of course the other ones. Jurassic Park
we've talked about before. You should know what it is
by this time, if not, do reanimates dinosaurs and a
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park on an island and they run a muck and
then they make it back to the mainland and they
run a muck and then they reboot it all. Yeah,
and then apparently the military wants to attach lasers to
them for some reason, which never made any sense. I mean,
why would you want dinosas whatever? The military stuff in
the dress the new Jurassic World movies makes literally no
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sense whatsoever. Doesn't matter. In the second Jurassic World movie,
I think they makes human DNA with the with with
their big bad villain if you count it as a
villain dinosaur their murderous dinosaur hybrid. So yeah, So we
are now doing our Annie and Durassic Park mashups, and
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I honestly don't know what to expect. Who would you
like to go first? Aerial, I'll go, I'll go first, Okay,
go for it. Don't expect much. This is Little Orphan
Alley a ramos um. Yeah. It's as close as I
could find to Annie. Okay. So Little Orphan Alley was
left on the doorstep of the Hudson Street Orphanage when
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she was a baby, her only possession of lock it
with the image of mysterious Island on it. Life at
the orphanage run by the meat and drunk. Miss Hardigan
is no fun. One day, Ali begins to feel odd.
At first, Ali thinks she is just heartsick for her parents,
but then she looks down and notices her skin is
tough and discolored. Maybe it's from scrubbing the floor so much.
When Miss Hardigan comes in to yell at the girls,
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Alie hides under some blankets to hide her skin condition
and this anger's Miss Hardigan. She makes all the girls
at the orphanage scrub the floors is punishment to make
scrubbing the floors a little less miserable. Though the girls
break into song It's a hard knock life for scraaw growl, yes,
that's my dinosaur impression. Before they could finish, one stands
a little orphan Alley lets out a growl of pain
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from the singing, and lunges in a blind rage at
the other orphans, scaring them under their beds. Ashamed of
her actions and afraid of what's going to happen to
her and sat intot ostracizing herself from her only friends,
Ali hops a laundry chuck and escapes the orphanage. Left
on the streets, Ali finds a stray dog who befriends her.
At this point, not only have Allie's patches of skin
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become hard and bumpy and scaly, but her nails have
grown very claw and talent like, and the dog likes
them for scritches. As the sun goes down in the
full moon rises, Ali sings a song to comfort the
dog and herself as they settle in for the night.
The sun will come out tomorrow. Fet your bottom dollar
that to mark. Growl, growl, growl, growl growl. Ali doesn't
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know why, but she can't sing anymore. She looks into
a shop window nearby and sees that she has turned
into a dinosaur. Frightened, she finds a corner of a
dark alley to hide in and curls up with her
dog to go to sleep. In the morning, she's awaken
by some cops who have been looking for her and
captured her to bring her back to the orphanage. She
lunges to attack them, but then realizes she's just a
little girl again, so they bring her back to the orphanage.
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And once back at the orphanage, Ali has nowhere to
hide and no one to turn to other than her dog,
who she has hid under her bed. Thankfully, Before long,
Grace Sadler, assistant to the billionaire Alan war Grant, comes
to the orphanage to find an orphan to treat to
a nice Christmas. It will help his image because he's
a billionaire and that's what they do. Grace sees how
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sad Alie is and chooses to bring her and her
dog to the mansion. It's beautiful, but Ali is ill
at ease, and every night she locks herself in her room,
secretly afraid of once more turning into a dinosaur. Alan
war Grant, however, feels very drawn to the little orphan
and offers to adopt her. This upsets Miss Hardingan, who
sends her brother and his girlfriend to bring little Alie back.
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There's no reason that Ali should cause so much frustration
and yet get the world. That evening, the brother and
his gal arrive at the mansion stating that they are
little Ali's parents and start to take her home, But
once they are back in their car with the orphan
and heading back to the orphanage, Ali turns into a
dinosaur and eats them. The next morning, little Alie is
found on the doorstep of war Grant's mansion. War Grant
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once again offers to adopt the little orphan Ali. Alie
says she can't let him do that, and then explains
that she keeps turning into a dinosaur and that's dangerous
and she cares too much for him, And then war
Gret tells her that he knows that. He then discloses
that her father was Jonathan Hammond, and when Ali was
a small baby, she was accidentally injected with dinosaurs. Herea
met his Jurassic Park, and so he hit her away
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in New York to protect her from scientists who wanted
to keep her in a lab and study her. War
Gret had worked for him and at the park, and
when Hammond passed away, war Gret was charged to find
and care for a little Ali, but she got lost
and ended up at the orphanage. Then war Grant opened
little Allie's locket to show her that the island in
her locket was her home to prove his point. Ali,
gladdened that someone knew her secret and still loved her,
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accepted the offer to become adopted and lived with Grayson Allen.
They gave Alie a great green enclosure to rome at
night with lots of air steak, and they all lived
happily ever after. I like how you mashed up names
of characters. Thank you. I do. I do like doing
that when I get lazy or I'm in a corner,
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Well here's mine. This one's called the Sarah Pods. Out tomorrow. Already,
Daddy Warbucks has a problem. His business partner, John Hammond,
is convinced that the new adventure park that the two
plant open is missing something, and the time for the
official unveiling of the park is just around the corner.
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Suddenly we cut. We're now with doctors Alan Grant and
Ellie Satler on a fossil dig. Suddenly, their dig is
interrupted by an arriving helicopter, which blows dirt around, threatening
some of the freshly uncovered fossils. Determined to find out
what's going on, they head back to their campers and
discover Hammond waiting for them. Hammond explains that he has
a special adventure park, sort of the Safari Zoo type thing,
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and he needs Satler and Grant to come and see
it and sign off on it before he and Warbucks
can open it to the public. He offers to pay
their expenses for the dig for a further three years
from the two agree to go with him. We cut
to a helicopter and there's Hammond and Sadler and Grant
plus chaos mathematician ian Malcolm in there and the forehead
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to this gorgeous tropical island where the helicopter lands, and
the and the four transfer over to a jeep to
go to the HQ to meet with Warbox. And on
the way they passed through a grassy field, where Hammond
brings the jeep to a stop and the other three
look in amazement as they see a giant young girl
marching through the trees, which she towers over. What the
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ever lovin? Says Grant. That's duffy Saurus, says Hammond. She's
the biggest, the biggest one, says Sadler. Artificially enhanced dino Orphan.
Welcome to Orphan Park. The three exchange glances. Uh what,
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says Malcolm. Spared no expense, says Hammond. Refusing to answer
more questions for the time being, he has everyone piled
back into the jeep and drives on through an enormous
pair of gates that had the park's logo on them.
The silhouette of a curly haired girl once at HQ.
Hammond introduces the group to Daddy Warbucks. When I made
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my first million dollars back then, a million dollars was
a lot of money. I promised myself that one day
I would create a legacy, a legacy that would last
well beyond my lifetime. This, dear friends, is that legacy,
says Warbucks. A park with orphans in it, says Sadler.
Not just any orphans, says Warbucks. Genetically engineered orphans. We
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spliced orphan DNA with frogs. That makes them special. The
three visiting experts exchange glances and look really confused. There
are clearly thousands of questions, but no one says anything
right off the bat. I hear you've seen Duffy Sous,
but we've got many more. There's Velosa Pepper, she's the
toughest orphan. We've got Molly SROs she's a little list orphan.
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And of course there's any Saurus. She's well, she's unique,
says Warbucks. Suddenly a red light on a console starts
to flash and an alarm sounds. What's that? Says Dr Grant. Nothing,
It's it's nothing, says Hammond. Warbucks has turned away to
speak urgently to some scientists, and he turns back and says, Hammond,
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you fool the fences. They failed. Hammond turns very pale.
Let's get you to your quarters, shall we, he says,
trying to keep things under control. Before the three can protest,
they're escorted rather forcefully to a jeep. We cut to
the jungle somewhere on the island, and we see Robert Muldoon,
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a kind of orphan wrangler. He's got his rifle out
and he's stalking quietly through the jungle and through the
brush he sees one of the loose orphans. Uh, let's
say it's Testy, who of course is crying a little bit.
And he quietly raises the rifle up to take a
shot to tranquilize the loose orphan. And then he hears
it maybe far away or maybe real near by. Clever girl,
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says Muldune, and he turns and sees any a Saurus
pounced from the brush, tearing him limb from limb. Musically,
we cut back to our three experts. They're in the jeep,
which is rushing by a length of fence that's been
torn down. The driver seems pretty tense as he tries
to navigate to the quarters on the far side of
the island, and in a in the way of the
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jeep is a big felled tree, so he has to
actually slow down and boom, the ground shakes. Grant, Settler
and Malcolm exchange glances. Boom, they look behind them, boom,
and out from the jungle comes the enraged Duffy Saus.
Must go faster, must go faster, says Malcolm. The driver, panicking,
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bails from the jeep, only to get caught by Duffy
Soros and chopped on, practically getting bitten in half. Satler.
She jumps into the driver's seat. She kicks the jeep
into into high gear, drives away from the enraged orphan,
and the orphan tries to keep up. We cut back
to Orphan Park h Q, where John Hammond is seeing
his investment crumbled before his eyes, and then he hears it,
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It's the hard knock life for you. It's the hard
knock life for you. No one cares for you no
more when you become a dying no sore. And suddenly
a bunch of eighteen inch tall orphans swarm the HQ,
of course, spitting acidic poison as orphans do. Little girls,
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Little girls, screams Hammond, and he is piled under these
group of voracious orphans. Sadler's driving the geep back to
where the helicopter is and and hurriedly they all three
get into the helicopter, Satler, Grant, and Malcolm, and a
moment later they see Warbucks, who's rushing to get to
the helicopter as well, so they open up the door
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for him, and they're calling him for word. But then
they see from behind Warbucks something terrible, something fast and
vicious and redheaded. Tomorrow tomorrow. I'll digest you tomorrow, but
I'm gonna chow down today, sings any a source in
a terrifying display of precocious energy. Warbucks doesn't stand a chance.
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He is eviscerated. Malcolm, Grant, and Sadler take off in
the helicopter, and despite the fact that none of them
have a pilot's license, they still managed to take off
and fly away from the island, which is left in
chaos and show tunes. And that's exactly what it is
like backstage during a production of Annie the End. You
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are not incorrect, sir. That was hilarious. I was laughing
so hard, I was crying. Um, I tried not to
do it directly into my microphone. That was brilliant. Also,
I think a future mashup needs to be Annie with
muppets because then you have Settler in Warbucks. Yeah, and
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stuff Statler and Waldorf. Yeah, that was That was a
fun one to do because once Peek behind the Curtain,
Ariel told me ahead of time that she was going
to do one where she was going to essentially insert
a dinosaur into the story of Annie. So I thought, well,
that means I've got to bring Annie into the story
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of Jurassic Park. And that's what turned into Orphan Park. Oh,
but it was so brilliant. It was so brilliant. I
want to watch that movie, maybe the TV version so
I don't have to watch any of Vice rating how Warbucks.
But still, what about poor mull DoD, I mean he
gets it too. Yeah, I guess, I guess that was.
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That was a fun one. I can't I can't wait
to see what our next matchup is gonna be. We
always have fun like figuring out what to properties we
want to do, and usually we don't have any preconceived
ideas about what that might be so, in this case,
it was definitely an act of exploration for the two
of us. If you have suggestions for things we should
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mash up in the future, or let's say, you know,
you want to tell us about your favorite villains or
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the podcast that's all about the giggy things happening in
the world around us and how very excited we are
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about them. I'm Ariel casting and with me as always is.
Jonathan doesn't like to watch the trailers strickling. I mean,
you cut me to the quick, but it's all true. Hi, Ariel,
how are you? I'm good? How are you? I'm good?
I have another question for you besides how are you? So,
here's your question. Alright, Ariel, You've been called up to
(00:58):
be in a tag team wrestling match, going up against
the current champions, and your partner can be anyone, real
or fictional. Who do you pick? I mean, like, gut
reaction would be the Hulk. Um, but like I'm worried
for my opponents. That's the case. They are very bad people.
(01:23):
You don't need to be worried about them. Okay, then
then the Hull. You know, I'm going to go with
my gut The Hulk. He's one of my favorite superheroes.
I like how he smashes things and and he has
experience in fighting in arena style matchups, exactly exactly. How's
about you, squirrel Girl. I feel like that's like your
(01:44):
answer for I mean, it's it's you. You automatically win, right,
Like maybe I'll have to do anything. Squirrel Girl will
beat everybody, the referee, the other team, the crowd. She's
she's got rabid. I mean, I don't know how she
does it. She just does it right. I'm not here
to tell squirrel Girl how to do her thing fair enough.
(02:07):
I'm just here to collect the gold belt at the
end of the match so that I have something, you know,
a really nice successory, and then I gotta figure out
what I'm gonna do with it. Hang it on your
wall with all of your other behind me. Yes, yes,
which no, none of our listeners can see. But there's
a couple of welcome to Nightville posters and a Minecraft
(02:27):
torch and some mukuleles, a Pride flag and a poster
with me on it. All I can see is like
a little bit of your white shoulder. So I wasn't sure. Yeah,
that's a that's a tech stuff poster. Well, we have
some cool geeky stuff to talk about this week, some
stuff that we're excited about. One of those being a
(02:51):
new shuan Chi trailer where you know, we we saw
the teaser a couple of months ago, and I'm only
dug the teaser. I thought it was effective and gave
a kind of cool overview of what some of the
movie was about without giving away too much. This new
trailer we get a little bit more. We get a
(03:13):
lot more backstory about the relationship between Shang Chi and
his father. Yeah, and a little bit with his mom. Um.
I guess because it's the backstory just didn't get grabbed
me quite as much as the initial teaser did. Um.
But then in reading the articles about the trailer that
came out, I realized that the Abomination from the Ed
(03:36):
Norton Hulk is in it. Yeah. Yeah, And you know
we had heard that Ed Norton or not Ed Norton.
I'm sorry that Tim Roth, who played Abomination, that he
was going to come back and and play Abomination in Shield.
So it may very well be that we have tim
Roth in uh In in shuan Chi as well, or
(03:58):
at least the Abomination version of that character. Also, did
you did you notice who Abomination was fighting? I didn't.
I just assumed it was shuan Chi. No, it's not
shaan Chi. It's a sorcerer. It's one of the sorcerers.
And in fact, it might be one that we've seen
before because he's he's got the the golden disks up.
(04:21):
Oh is it? Um, Benedict Wonk. Yes, that's who I
think it is. Okay, that's just me thinking that. That's
because we don't get a real look at his face
in the short little snippet we see in the trailer.
But yeah, it looks like there's sort of a tournament
kind of thing going on, and those are two of
(04:43):
the participants in the tournament. Yeah, and I'm I'm sorry,
I can't remember his character's name. I just remember the
actor's name. Um. Although now it is hitting me how
very funny it is to have two Benedicts and doctor Strange. Yes,
but it's looks cool. I think I think this is neat.
It's got like, it's clearly got a lot of fantastical
(05:05):
elements to it. I mean there's a lot of sort
of woush you kind of like the crouching tiger, hidden
dragon sort of feel to some of it. Uh, there's
some more of the kind of classic Marvel adventure action
stuff wrapped in there, So I'm I'm really curious to
see how this all shakes out. It looks it looks
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good to me. I mean, it's interesting because it's another
one of those characters that I don't know that much about,
so I'm excited to kind of go into it, you know,
largely without preconceptions. Yeah. The Marvel movies about the characters
who I have very little pre existing investment in, seem
to have the most reward for me in general. I mean,
Guardians of the Galaxy is the same way. So yeah,
(05:49):
I agree with you. And uh, you know, we also
learn more about the Ten Rings, which is something that's
been talked about since the first Iron Man movie, so
that's also kind cool. Yeah yeah, um, you know, I'm
really looking forward to seeing Saarin in there, and uh
not not those rings. We should probably move on to
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something else, we should, So our next story is another trailer. Uh.
Last week, prior to our episode, Jonathan and I were like, oh,
we're not going to talk about trailers too much because
you guys can't really see them. So we will post
links to the articles and the trailers in our show
notes if you haven't seen them already and want to
check them out at www dot larger r drunker dot com.
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But there were too many good ones to talk about
this week, and so Apple TV is doing an adaptation
of Isaac Adsmov's Foundation Series. Yeah. The Foundation Series started
off as a series of short stories that Isaac Asimov
published or wrote and had published in the nineteen forties
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and fifties, and it follows sort of the course of
a lactic empire that's in decline and how characters are
attempting to salvage what they can in order to minimize
the impact of that decline, um largely through the the
efforts of a mathematician who has sort of predicted this
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downfall by just looking at the math of it, kind
of looking it's sort of like the law of big numbers.
You're looking at these huge patterns and discovering that the
actual galactic empire is itself about to fall apart, which
gets them into some hot water with the the rulers
of the Galactic Empire. The trailer makes it look way
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more action oriented that the stories, where the stories were
kind of more like socio political kind of stories. They
weren't like, you know, pup you laser stories. But it
looks like we're going to get some pupe laser action
in the Foundation uh series. There. Yeah, we knew they
were going to take some liberties. I know. I showed
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this to my mom because she loves the Foundation series,
and she was like, well, I don't remember that being
the story. Um, but you know, I feel like sometimes
we've talked about it before, adaptations make for a better
viewing experience when they move a little further away from
the source material, making more cinematic. I mean, honestly, like,
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if you were to tell me somehow I had managed
to be ignorant of the fact that there was a
Foundation series being made anyway, if you had told me
that that was happening, I would have said, but why
because because I wouldn't think of it as being something
particularly filmable. So I'm not like up in arms about
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the changes. I think that they're probably necessary in order
to tell a dramatic story. Like it's the story is
interesting just on its own, but I don't think of
it as being the kind of interesting that's going to
attract a sci fi loving viewership, right, So, um, but
you know, I'm not sure if I'm gonna actually dig
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this one. Honestly, I don't have Apple Plus yet, which
is what this series is on. But considering what we're
about to talk about in a second, I have a
feeling that maybe I'll end up getting Apple Plus and
have yet another streaming service I gotta deal with. I mean,
I might buy Apple Plus for like a month to
watch this and the other thing we're about to talk about.
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The thing with this, the reason why you probably missed it.
Originally it was going to be on Netflix and then
it got delayed, and then I got picked up by
Apple TV, so oh interesting. And Netflix is not known
for letting stuff get away, so that is interesting. Yeah. Yeah,
I think they changed writers as well, but I'm not certain. Yeah. Maybe,
and maybe in that process that's where we started to
see a kind of a further departure from the way
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the story was originally told in the book and the
short stories. But yeah, I mean, we'll take a look
and see. It's I'm always happy to see more sort
of prestige science fiction come out, right, like it's it's
nice to see stuff that is beyond just the the
kitchy and goofy sci fi. Not that I don't like that.
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I love kitchi and goofy sci fi too, but it's
fun to see things that are they kind of span
the gap between the kitchy, goofy fun SF and the
super duper serious, heavy s F. You know, like there's
you know, there's there's some room in the middle there,
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and I think this kind of takes that space. I
agree on the super kitchy side of things, although I
guess it's not technically science fiction. Apple Plus is also
giving us a show called Megadoon Ye, which yes, is
a play on Brigadoon. It's Cecily Strong from Saturday Night Live,
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who is one of my favorite comedians on the show,
and Keegan Michael Key as a couple who stuck in
a musical town. So very much feels to me, and
then they have to deal with their relationships. So to me,
it feels like Gallivant meets the Good Place. Yeah. I
think that's a pretty good explanation that you know, you
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see in the trailer that that that Strong and Key
are kind of bickering a bit, like it's clear that
their relationship is at a place where they're not particularly
happy with where it is. Then they stumble upon this
idyllic town where everyone is singing for some reason and
they realize they cannot leave. Um. And I agree, I
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think I think Gallivant is a really good comparison. It
feels like it has that sort of cheeky, self aware
sense of humor. Um. And obviously there's actually actual references
to musicals in the trailer, both references like direct references
where the characters are talking about musicals, as well as
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within the songs. Uh, there's a song they sing about
Smiga Dune that is clearly a very loose parody of Oklahoma.
Yeah right, Yeah. And beyond that, they've cast a lot
of big Broadway names in it, Alan Cumming, Christine Chenowith,
Jane Krakowski, and Martin Short, among others. They also have
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a yes it's right. And then Fred Armison, who I
honestly have no idea if he's done anything on Broadway
at all, but he's a very funny man. So yeah,
And I mean he's done like musical stuff on on
shows like Portlandia, but he hasn't done as far as
I know, he hasn't really done a lot of like
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stage musicals on like the big stage. But yeah, it's
it's you know, seeing Alan coming in there. I mean
he's seeing Alan coming in any gay. He's one of
my favorite performers to watch. Um he looks demented as
heck in that trailer, and I am here for it.
I would say, isn't that just kind of his usual
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m O? Though? I mean yeah, I mean you could.
You could probably make that argument, and you could probably
back it up, but I don't care. He does it well.
Kristin Chenowith, though, is not really necessarily playing to the
like I always associate her with as Glinda from Wicked,
right because she originated the role. In this, it looks
like she's playing the lead of a group of older
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women who are all kind of the dour um judges
of various members of society. They made me think of
the characters from The Music Man Thee Yeah, pick a
little talk a little Yeah. It makes me think of
them a lot, like And because there's a point where
she turns and says, can I get a cackle? And
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I'm like, yeah, this is that's very much in the
line of that kind of character. So I have a
feeling that this is a show or this is this
is a production rather that um that people who of
musicals particularly like classic musicals are really going to get
a lot out of it. Looked like it was definitely
more of a throwback to that classic era of musicals
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like Oklahoma, like The Music Man, not so much, you know,
Spring Awakening or Dear Evan Hansen or something like that.
And Lord Michaels is actually executive producing this, so that's
also a little fun probably and Fred Armison's in it.
Our next story is about something that's not brand new,
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but rather something that came out earlier this year that
then changed, which is One Division's post credit scene and
it's in its a series finale. Now, in case you
have not watched One Division, what's wrong with you? Pause
this and go watch it. We can wait until you
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get back. We are going to talk about the post
credit scene at the end of the final episode, which
you know, depending on your point of view, has some
spoilers in it. I would say it definitely has spoilers
in it unless you've already seen it. There's at least
one big one right anyway, So the scene that we're
talking about, the way it plays out in the original
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clip is that you've got the swooping shot, probably a
drone shot that's just going over a a remote lake
and there's a cabin at the end of the lake.
It's in front of a couple of trees. There's appears
to be like a duck or something in the lake
in front of it. And the camera swoops down. You
see that Wanda is sitting out on the porch, sipping
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a cup of tea. She's just kind of wearing sweats,
you know, nothing special. She gets up and starts to
walk into the cabin. We follow her in, but instead
of staying with her, we take a turn to a
different room, and there we see Wanda as the astral
version of the Scarlet, which, floating in mid air, use
magic to read the Dark hold, a very powerful, very
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dangerous magical book in the Marvel universe that she gets
earlier in the series. Yes, and then she glances up
as as you hear her children crying out in some
form or fashion. And that's it. And then, now, if
you were to watch one division, you'll still get the
sequence I just described, but certain things are different now.
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I mean, mainly, they've just made the area that she's
staying in look a little healthier, which I'm not entirely
sure why. And then there's this like weird. Somebody pointed
it out on TikTok and it's we talked about last
week how people are like sometimes focus on the easter
eggs more than the story, and this is one of
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those instances, because there's just like this like discoloration that
stays the same shape and grows slightly larger as they
pan in on the cabin where Wanda staying. And a
lot of people think that it could be doctor strange
that I've had some I've read that some people also
think it might be a vision. I have another. I
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have another possibility for you arial start, for me to
destroy your world. It's just mess up in the c
G I. So here's here's the deal. If you watch
the original post credit sequence, there is no little blurry
bit in that in that corner right. That's new in
the new version. However, if you also watch the original sequence,
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when the camera starts to zoom in on the cabin,
you can see through a window of the cabin a
little bit of light and it looks like it might
have been a monitor, like a like perhaps a monitor
for the film crew. And the guess I've seen is
that what has happened is someone created a little digital
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overlay to block that so that the light so you
didn't see that light anymore, so that didn't have that
mistake in there, but they forgot to to the essentially
just overlaid over the entire shot, not just that little bit,
so that blurry you're seeing is actually the little patch
essentially that was applied to make that light go away.
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So it's literally nothing more than an artifact from an
attempted fix of something else, and it's not indicative of
any other character's presence. However, that being said, when you
see Wanda floating there and reading from the dark Hold,
the music that plays is the Doctor Strange theme, and
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they actually have a credit for the Doctor Strange theme
at the end of the episode. Now that was also
added in. That was added in, but I think that's also, uh,
just because she's going to be in the Multiverse of Madness,
But I'm thinking that it might be something where that
sequence ends up being added into the Doctor Strange in
the Multiverse of Madness, and that we see Strange appear
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at that sequence, similar to how we saw Strange interact
with thor Um at the end of it of a
movie and then we saw that full sequence later in
a different movie. And we do know that Doctor Strange
at one point was supposed to make an appearance in
one division, but that didn't work out. Yeah, they cut
it out because they didn't want to detract from Wanda's
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story or growth um or capabilities. I do find it
interesting that that little one that Disney is usually very
um very detailed, that they would have left that in,
and two that it is kind of person shaped though
it doesn't move, it is just a static shape the
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entire time. Yeah, that's why I think that. That's why
I think it's a mistake, and that will probably get
a third version of this post credit scene where they
go in and remove it again. Yeah. But I've also
read that people are saying that this is low Key
working with the t v A and that his going
through the low Key series is causing changes to the
want a Verse, which is a really cool theory. But
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I just don't I don't see how going back and
changing something like that super on the download would really
benefit Disneys or Marvel's storytelling. Yeah. I mean, now, granted,
if you end up finding out that they start making
changes to the Falcon and the Winter Soldier too, This
could be the most brilliant guerrilla marketing ever, but it
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would also be really weird. I mean you would also
bump up their views because people would have to go
back and watch a second time. Then they'd probably go,
let me just watch the entire series. Yeah, I think
you are probably right in your summation. It's just a
patch that they put on and forgot to take out.
Though again I'm surprised at them for forgetting to take
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it out. But uh yeah, it'll be interesting to see
how this plays out or if they go, oh, yeah,
let's make this something. Yeah. You never know, Like sometimes
these do become opportunities for filmmakers to say, like, well
that was a mistake, but we could go ahead and
make it a thing that we did quote unquote on purpose.
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So yeah, we'll have to wait and see. Yeah, someone
else who's taking an opportunity is Amazon and Neil Gaiman,
because they are coming out with a season two of
Good Omens, which I don't think very many people suspected
would happen at all. No, I I certainly didn't because
season First of all, we didn't know it's going to
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be a season of Good Omens at all. Right, we
just thought. This is a mini series adaptation of a
book which has an ending, and the mini series ended
where the book did, But now we're going to get
a season two. We don't know many details about it
other than that Michael Sheenan and David Tennant are coming
back to reprise their roles. UM very interesting to see. Like,
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I'm apparently Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett were talking out
a potential sequel to Good Omens when they wrote the
first book, but just never quite happened. So I'm really
curious about this. I honestly did not expect it at all.
Neither did most of our friends, who all flipped out
when they found out it was going to happen. Yeah,
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I'm glad that Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaming kind of
talked about it to to lay that groundwork. Not that
Neil Gaming couldn't write something brilliant on his own, but
it is really such a collaborative effort. Um. I just
hope that they really finalize their story for it before
they start filming, because the saddest thing to me would
be for them to bring these characters back and then
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not have a strong story. Yeah, I mean Neil gaming
is pretty reliable. But I feel the same way right because,
like American God's kind of got a little off track
for lots of reasons, not that it wasn't necessarily script related,
but that that became kind of a nightmare scenario with
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a revolving door situation as far as people behind the scenes,
and so you definitely don't want to see something like
that happen. But those characters were so much fun, so
I really do look forward to seeing them do more stuff,
as do I. As do I. And speaking of characters,
we're going to take a quick break and when we
come back, we're going to talk about some of our
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favorite villains because the recent Cruella movie got us thinking
about it, so we're going to do that in a
few minutes. Okay, So Ariel and I both like playing
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bad guys. Yes, playing bad guys is fun. It is.
You and I both have a background at working at
places like the Renaissance Festival, where those kind of performances
are very much over the top. It's not the kind
of like subtle performance you would expect and say television
show or a movie. It's much much bigger, which means
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that we tend to gravitate towards more colorful and flamboyant
and big choice villains. I know that my list, I
certainly have a few that fall into that category. Um,
So let's talk a bit about them. And I'll start
because I've got two that I think go right hand
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in hand or hand in hook as it were, Um,
Captain Hook being one, and Doc Terminus from Pete's Dragon
the original Pete Dragon being another. Um. Because both of
these characters are are are are kind of their showoffs
right like there, they are somewhat flamboyant and um, they
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both of them have like very fancy layered costumes, and
they have this this air of aristocracy kind of like
like they should be, uh in a much higher position
than they are, and they believe that wholeheartedly. And it's
just because of circumstance that they find themselves in slightly
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less lofty places. And I just find them both they
both feel like they're kind of um hucksters or or
a conman. I mean Doc Terminus certainly is, he's a
snake oil salesman. Um. And uh, those are two characters
that I used as sort of models when I was
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creating my Lord Admiral character for the Renaissance Festival. Is
that those kind of characteristics and mannerisms. I took a
lot from those characters to kind of make this this
villain who's very full of himself and lacks any self awareness. Yeah,
I mean I tend to like that as well, although
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I vier a little away from the flamboyant and more
to like them the suave, the charming allen so like
for me, great charming villains that are still a little
bit boisterous would be like Ursula from The Little Mermaid,
which I know you also like her as a villain.
We've talked about how she might be one of the
few Disney villains we'd really like a backstory for. Um. Yeah,
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I guess Captain Hook would be another one, though again
I know his story already. And then like old school Riddler,
like the old Adam West Batman, Riddler is one of
my favorite villains of all time. He's just Um, I
don't like the New Riddler where he's so dark and
and very zodiac killer. I like that old school suave. Uh. Again,
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I'm above it all so I can kind of laugh
at this situation sort of a character, I guess the
way they've changed baron Zimo in Falcon and Winter Soldier,
he would also fall into that category. I wasn't a
huge fan of him in in Winter Soldier, in Captain
America Winter Soldier, but I did like him in Falcon
and Winter Soldier, So yeah, that was that felt like
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a redcon type of approach to that particular character, especially
like everyone has seen the memes of him doing the
little dance move and in magrapor Um, and of course
everyone wants that coat of his Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Like so some of the some of the villains I
like are not terribly effective, but they're very comedic, like
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Lex Luthor in the Superman film from the late nineteen seventies,
so played by Gene Hackman. He runs the gamut of
effective to non effective, depending version you're looking at. His
whole plan is to use explosives to make part of
California break off, so that the worthless desert land he
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has will become beachfront property and that will make him wealthy.
That's his plan in Superman. It is a dumb plan.
It's reflective of the way Superman and d C comics
were in the you know, in parts of the sixties
and seventies, they started to get a little campy. Now
in the seventies they also kind of took another turn
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and started to go really dark again. But the Superman
film was still very much kind of tapping into that
same energy of the Batman television series, of that sort
of campiness and silliness. So your villain wasn't particularly menacing.
I mean, he does at one point attempt to drown
Superman by you know, putting a chain with a big
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piece of Kryptonite on it around his neck, but it's, uh,
he doesn't come across as particularly menacing through most of
the movie. He's he's really more again, someone who has
a much higher opinion of himself than anyone else does,
with maybe the possible exception of Otis, his goofy sidekick.
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Mhm yeah, but more than that. For me, what makes
a really good villain is someone who has a grounded
reason for being a villain and then also very genuinely
believes that they're making the world a better place for
at least some people based on that and and and
not selfishly so like like if you look at Thanos
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from the Marvel movies, and I hate to keep going
back to Marvel, because I don't always think they do
villains well, but I think they've done a couple of
villains well. Fanos Cassilius from Doctor Strange. Fanos really believed
that he was benefiting the universe. He thought he was
being selfless in his acts to save people, he had
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to sacrifice some people. And to me, the really interesting
villains always have that sort of approach of, look, I'm
actually trying to make things better. It's just we've gotten
to a point where we have to do this to
make things better. I always find that very deep. Well,
and you've got You've also got the Vulture on your list,
which is another great example, because that's a character who
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also had a strong justification for behaving the way he
did because he was cheated out of what he had
been promised and he had no recourse, like he had
no no legitimate way to turn to have his situation corrected,
and so when when presented with no alternative, he ends
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up turning to crime. And uh, you know again, it's
he's presented such a way that you feel you're probably
gonna feel at least a little sympathy toward him. He's
not now Michael Keaton does a great job playing that character.
He's not like the warm, fuzzy villain. But you you
sit there and say, like, no, I can see where
his point of view is. I mean, like um, kill
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Monger was another great example of a character who had
a very strong motivation that was hard to disagree with.
It's interesting though, because and I totally agree that giving
villains motivations and explanations for they are the way they
are and you can understand their point of view. Uh,
it makes makes them more complex and you you identify
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more with them, and it makes them more interesting. But
oddly enough, a lot of my favorites are far more simplistic.
They take almost that fairy tale approach of this is
a bad guy, right, Like, it's not this this person
thinks that they're in the right and they'll do anything
they that they can in order to achieve their goals.
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It's more like, this person is bad And I don't know,
maybe it's because I'm just like the simplicity of it.
Whereas like in real life, we know there's so many
different shades of gray, and it's kind of terrifying to
think that some of the people who say some of
the worst things you've ever heard truly believe those things
and think that they're in the right for saying them.
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So it almost feels better when you're like seeing someone
who who is evil and they like acknowledge it, like
that's part of their that's part of their their self identity. UM. So,
like even characters like Joker from the Dark Knight series,
where you know Heath Ledger's version of Joker, where that
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that's a character who is sort of chaos personified, and
doesn't you you get you get lies about his background,
like he when he's explained where he gets his scars.
You can't trust anything he says because he says something
different every time. UM. To me, like that was interesting
because I don't need to know what motivations are. Uh.
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I mean granted the film Joker did that anyway, but
I don't need to know um for him to be
an effective villain for me. I mean I get that.
And and definitely in the real world level of things,
that is it is an upsetting thought to believe that
some of the things that some people say they think
they're really correct in making the world a better place
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when you know from the outside looking in, you can say, oh,
that's horrible. Um. If I can separate the fantasy from
the reality, that's when I like it. But what I
will say, and I know I've said this before and
I'm gonna say it again, if you make a simple
fairytale villain, I don't need you to make them sympathetic
later on. Yes, Maleficent or Crulla. From what I understand,
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that movie is other than having the lead character have
the black and white hair and having her too henchman
have the same hench people have the same name. Like,
it seems like it doesn't really have anything to do.
It kind of feels like it retcons her entire story, right,
Like it's like the character from hundred one Dalmatians is
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not remotely the same character as Cruella from the Corolla film. Uh.
You know I and these sort of things frustrate me
because at that point I would say, like, well, why
why didn't they just make a movie, um, about a
character without making that character Cruella, Uh, to tell the
story because otherwise you've got this weird disconnect and you
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could have a really good story, now get it. The
name recognition is the big part of it, right. The
fact that people are like, oh, I want to see
how Cruella became Cruella. Well, it's a bait and switch
because you don't, right, um is That's how I felt
about small Ville. I felt Smallville kept setting things up
where it was winking to the audience about look how
clever we are. Lex Luthor just said our friendship is
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going to be the stuff of legends to Clark like, oh,
we know what that means. And they kept setting things
up that as someone who knows about Superman, you already
know what the payoff is going to be. But then
they never pay it off, and you're like, well, now
that's now, that's not even a set up anymore. That's
just something someone said. I think I only watched the
first two or three seasons of Smallville. I never got
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out when the getting was good. Oh say, I never
got to the end. I assumed they paid it off.
I know that they made like Luthor bald, so I
just assumed that that would be payoff. No, no, it was.
It was just bad. It was just it was. There
were a lot of little moments where they were hinting
at things and then they subvert it later on, And
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to me, you can't have it both ways. You can't
have it where you're setting things up and you're telling
the audience go with us, You're going to find out
how we go from this to that thing you love,
and then subvert it and say, oh, actually we're not
going to that thing your love, We're going to something different.
Like I feel like that's disingenuous. It kind of gets
off the path of villains. But lex Luthor plays a
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really big part in that. Um. Yeah, like I I think,
I think you know, you can have very scary villains
that are very effective. Like again, when it comes to
scary ones, one of the ones I like a lot
is uh is Mike Myers from the Halloween movies, which
in the scripts was just referred to as the Shape
because it wasn't even a character so much as sort
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of a force of chaotic nature. Um, kind of like
the Shark and Jaws. Well, I've got the alien from
Alien listed as as almost more of a force of nature.
It's doing what it does so to us attacks villainous.
I actually kind of I didn't put down the Shark
from Jaws or many animals. I know when people list
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all time favorite villains, the Shark from Jaws comes up often,
or the dinosaurs in Drassic Park or whatnot. But to me,
like alien doesn't really count, but animals, it's hard for
me to view them as villains, right because they're doing
what they do. Yeah, well, and that's that's kind of why.
Like I would say that Myers in the Halloween films
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falls more on the animal side than on the villain side,
because he's never given any kind of humanity unless you
try and watch the terrible rob zombie version, which I
recommend you do not do. So, Yeah, interesting, I think
it's I think it's interesting to see the kind of
stuff that we find makes effective villains. I'm curious if
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our listeners have like certain aspects that they associate with
a really good villain, Like what makes a really compelling
or interesting or entertaining villain? And I recommend that you
guys write to us and let us know, and we'll
tell you more about that at the end of the episode.
But we have something else we have to do before
we get to the end, um besides take a quick break,
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and that is to do our mash up, which we
will do after we take this quick break. So, Ariel,
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what are the two properties were mashing up today? Well,
we're mashing up. I did mention dinosaurs from Jurassic Park,
and so we're doing Jurassic Park. And then we got
a news story. We get actually a bunch of musical
news stories this week. We weren't able to cover them all,
but one of them is that Harry Connick Junr. Is
going to be playing uh Mr Daddy Warbucks's war Mr
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Daddy Oliver Warbucks in Annie Live, the next installment of
Why are they putting a musical on TV? For us?
Which is actually a little bit um route of me
to say. I didn't mind the Whiz at all. I
just think they haven't found quite the right formula yet.
But then over the pandemic, we had a whole bunch
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of the shows must go on, and I've enjoyed some
of those, so um, I'm just being snarky anyhow, Yeah,
he's going to be in it, Troggi p Henson's gonna
be Miss Hannaghan. I think that's great casting and I
will watch it because I like Annie and I like
those actors, and I think they're both very talented performers
and singers. I'm deeply offended that they didn't reach out
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to me to be Rooster. I mean, I would love
to be Rooster's girlfriend, whose name I cannot remember at
the moment, because she's a hilarious character. She's a hilariously
small character. Yeah, I'd like to be her. Wouldn't mind
being Miss Hand again, but I think Tragic p Hansen could.
She's way more talented of a talented singer than I.
So well, and and so for those who don't know,
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just to give you a quick rundown, Annie is, of
course the musical adaptation of Little Orphan Annie, story about
a a precocious, rambunctious, young orphaned girl who ends up
be falling to the care of a billionaire Daddy Warbucks.
Um bet you can't guess how he made his money,
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and uh and and yeah it's it's a long running
there's a long running comic strip and a beloved musical
that's had a couple of adaptations that are, to lesser
degrees beloved, and um yeah, so that's gonna be one
of them. And of course the other ones. Jurassic Park
we've talked about before. You should know what it is
by this time, if not, do reanimates dinosaurs and a
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park on an island and they run a muck and
then they make it back to the mainland and they
run a muck and then they reboot it all. Yeah,
and then apparently the military wants to attach lasers to
them for some reason, which never made any sense. I mean,
why would you want dinosas whatever? The military stuff in
the dress the new Jurassic World movies makes literally no
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sense whatsoever. Doesn't matter. In the second Jurassic World movie,
I think they makes human DNA with the with with
their big bad villain if you count it as a
villain dinosaur their murderous dinosaur hybrid. So yeah, So we
are now doing our Annie and Durassic Park mashups, and
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I honestly don't know what to expect. Who would you
like to go first? Aerial, I'll go, I'll go first, Okay,
go for it. Don't expect much. This is Little Orphan
Alley a ramos um. Yeah. It's as close as I
could find to Annie. Okay. So Little Orphan Alley was
left on the doorstep of the Hudson Street Orphanage when
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she was a baby, her only possession of lock it
with the image of mysterious Island on it. Life at
the orphanage run by the meat and drunk. Miss Hardigan
is no fun. One day, Ali begins to feel odd.
At first, Ali thinks she is just heartsick for her parents,
but then she looks down and notices her skin is
tough and discolored. Maybe it's from scrubbing the floor so much.
When Miss Hardigan comes in to yell at the girls,
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Alie hides under some blankets to hide her skin condition
and this anger's Miss Hardigan. She makes all the girls
at the orphanage scrub the floors is punishment to make
scrubbing the floors a little less miserable. Though the girls
break into song It's a hard knock life for scraaw growl, yes,
that's my dinosaur impression. Before they could finish, one stands
a little orphan Alley lets out a growl of pain
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from the singing, and lunges in a blind rage at
the other orphans, scaring them under their beds. Ashamed of
her actions and afraid of what's going to happen to
her and sat intot ostracizing herself from her only friends,
Ali hops a laundry chuck and escapes the orphanage. Left
on the streets, Ali finds a stray dog who befriends her.
At this point, not only have Allie's patches of skin
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become hard and bumpy and scaly, but her nails have
grown very claw and talent like, and the dog likes
them for scritches. As the sun goes down in the
full moon rises, Ali sings a song to comfort the
dog and herself as they settle in for the night.
The sun will come out tomorrow. Fet your bottom dollar
that to mark. Growl, growl, growl, growl growl. Ali doesn't
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know why, but she can't sing anymore. She looks into
a shop window nearby and sees that she has turned
into a dinosaur. Frightened, she finds a corner of a
dark alley to hide in and curls up with her
dog to go to sleep. In the morning, she's awaken
by some cops who have been looking for her and
captured her to bring her back to the orphanage. She
lunges to attack them, but then realizes she's just a
little girl again, so they bring her back to the orphanage.
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And once back at the orphanage, Ali has nowhere to
hide and no one to turn to other than her dog,
who she has hid under her bed. Thankfully, Before long,
Grace Sadler, assistant to the billionaire Alan war Grant, comes
to the orphanage to find an orphan to treat to
a nice Christmas. It will help his image because he's
a billionaire and that's what they do. Grace sees how
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sad Alie is and chooses to bring her and her
dog to the mansion. It's beautiful, but Ali is ill
at ease, and every night she locks herself in her room,
secretly afraid of once more turning into a dinosaur. Alan
war Grant, however, feels very drawn to the little orphan
and offers to adopt her. This upsets Miss Hardingan, who
sends her brother and his girlfriend to bring little Alie back.
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There's no reason that Ali should cause so much frustration
and yet get the world. That evening, the brother and
his gal arrive at the mansion stating that they are
little Ali's parents and start to take her home, But
once they are back in their car with the orphan
and heading back to the orphanage, Ali turns into a
dinosaur and eats them. The next morning, little Alie is
found on the doorstep of war Grant's mansion. War Grant
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once again offers to adopt the little orphan Ali. Alie
says she can't let him do that, and then explains
that she keeps turning into a dinosaur and that's dangerous
and she cares too much for him, And then war
Gret tells her that he knows that. He then discloses
that her father was Jonathan Hammond, and when Ali was
a small baby, she was accidentally injected with dinosaurs. Herea
met his Jurassic Park, and so he hit her away
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in New York to protect her from scientists who wanted
to keep her in a lab and study her. War
Gret had worked for him and at the park, and
when Hammond passed away, war Gret was charged to find
and care for a little Ali, but she got lost
and ended up at the orphanage. Then war Grant opened
little Allie's locket to show her that the island in
her locket was her home to prove his point. Ali,
gladdened that someone knew her secret and still loved her,
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accepted the offer to become adopted and lived with Grayson Allen.
They gave Alie a great green enclosure to rome at
night with lots of air steak, and they all lived
happily ever after. I like how you mashed up names
of characters. Thank you. I do. I do like doing
that when I get lazy or I'm in a corner,
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Well here's mine. This one's called the Sarah Pods. Out tomorrow. Already,
Daddy Warbucks has a problem. His business partner, John Hammond,
is convinced that the new adventure park that the two
plant open is missing something, and the time for the
official unveiling of the park is just around the corner.
(45:23):
Suddenly we cut. We're now with doctors Alan Grant and
Ellie Satler on a fossil dig. Suddenly, their dig is
interrupted by an arriving helicopter, which blows dirt around, threatening
some of the freshly uncovered fossils. Determined to find out
what's going on, they head back to their campers and
discover Hammond waiting for them. Hammond explains that he has
a special adventure park, sort of the Safari Zoo type thing,
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and he needs Satler and Grant to come and see
it and sign off on it before he and Warbucks
can open it to the public. He offers to pay
their expenses for the dig for a further three years
from the two agree to go with him. We cut
to a helicopter and there's Hammond and Sadler and Grant
plus chaos mathematician ian Malcolm in there and the forehead
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to this gorgeous tropical island where the helicopter lands, and
the and the four transfer over to a jeep to
go to the HQ to meet with Warbox. And on
the way they passed through a grassy field, where Hammond
brings the jeep to a stop and the other three
look in amazement as they see a giant young girl
marching through the trees, which she towers over. What the
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ever lovin? Says Grant. That's duffy Saurus, says Hammond. She's
the biggest, the biggest one, says Sadler. Artificially enhanced dino Orphan.
Welcome to Orphan Park. The three exchange glances. Uh what,
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says Malcolm. Spared no expense, says Hammond. Refusing to answer
more questions for the time being, he has everyone piled
back into the jeep and drives on through an enormous
pair of gates that had the park's logo on them.
The silhouette of a curly haired girl once at HQ.
Hammond introduces the group to Daddy Warbucks. When I made
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my first million dollars back then, a million dollars was
a lot of money. I promised myself that one day
I would create a legacy, a legacy that would last
well beyond my lifetime. This, dear friends, is that legacy,
says Warbucks. A park with orphans in it, says Sadler.
Not just any orphans, says Warbucks. Genetically engineered orphans. We
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spliced orphan DNA with frogs. That makes them special. The
three visiting experts exchange glances and look really confused. There
are clearly thousands of questions, but no one says anything
right off the bat. I hear you've seen Duffy Sous,
but we've got many more. There's Velosa Pepper, she's the
toughest orphan. We've got Molly SROs she's a little list orphan.
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And of course there's any Saurus. She's well, she's unique,
says Warbucks. Suddenly a red light on a console starts
to flash and an alarm sounds. What's that? Says Dr Grant. Nothing,
It's it's nothing, says Hammond. Warbucks has turned away to
speak urgently to some scientists, and he turns back and says, Hammond,
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you fool the fences. They failed. Hammond turns very pale.
Let's get you to your quarters, shall we, he says,
trying to keep things under control. Before the three can protest,
they're escorted rather forcefully to a jeep. We cut to
the jungle somewhere on the island, and we see Robert Muldoon,
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a kind of orphan wrangler. He's got his rifle out
and he's stalking quietly through the jungle and through the
brush he sees one of the loose orphans. Uh, let's
say it's Testy, who of course is crying a little bit.
And he quietly raises the rifle up to take a
shot to tranquilize the loose orphan. And then he hears
it maybe far away or maybe real near by. Clever girl,
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says Muldune, and he turns and sees any a Saurus
pounced from the brush, tearing him limb from limb. Musically,
we cut back to our three experts. They're in the jeep,
which is rushing by a length of fence that's been
torn down. The driver seems pretty tense as he tries
to navigate to the quarters on the far side of
the island, and in a in the way of the
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jeep is a big felled tree, so he has to
actually slow down and boom, the ground shakes. Grant, Settler
and Malcolm exchange glances. Boom, they look behind them, boom,
and out from the jungle comes the enraged Duffy Saus.
Must go faster, must go faster, says Malcolm. The driver, panicking,
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bails from the jeep, only to get caught by Duffy
Soros and chopped on, practically getting bitten in half. Satler.
She jumps into the driver's seat. She kicks the jeep
into into high gear, drives away from the enraged orphan,
and the orphan tries to keep up. We cut back
to Orphan Park h Q, where John Hammond is seeing
his investment crumbled before his eyes, and then he hears it,
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It's the hard knock life for you. It's the hard
knock life for you. No one cares for you no
more when you become a dying no sore. And suddenly
a bunch of eighteen inch tall orphans swarm the HQ,
of course, spitting acidic poison as orphans do. Little girls,
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Little girls, screams Hammond, and he is piled under these
group of voracious orphans. Sadler's driving the geep back to
where the helicopter is and and hurriedly they all three
get into the helicopter, Satler, Grant, and Malcolm, and a
moment later they see Warbucks, who's rushing to get to
the helicopter as well, so they open up the door
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for him, and they're calling him for word. But then
they see from behind Warbucks something terrible, something fast and
vicious and redheaded. Tomorrow tomorrow. I'll digest you tomorrow, but
I'm gonna chow down today, sings any a source in
a terrifying display of precocious energy. Warbucks doesn't stand a chance.
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He is eviscerated. Malcolm, Grant, and Sadler take off in
the helicopter, and despite the fact that none of them
have a pilot's license, they still managed to take off
and fly away from the island, which is left in
chaos and show tunes. And that's exactly what it is
like backstage during a production of Annie the End. You
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are not incorrect, sir. That was hilarious. I was laughing
so hard, I was crying. Um, I tried not to
do it directly into my microphone. That was brilliant. Also,
I think a future mashup needs to be Annie with
muppets because then you have Settler in Warbucks. Yeah, and
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stuff Statler and Waldorf. Yeah, that was That was a
fun one to do because once Peek behind the Curtain,
Ariel told me ahead of time that she was going
to do one where she was going to essentially insert
a dinosaur into the story of Annie. So I thought, well,
that means I've got to bring Annie into the story
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of Jurassic Park. And that's what turned into Orphan Park. Oh,
but it was so brilliant. It was so brilliant. I
want to watch that movie, maybe the TV version so
I don't have to watch any of Vice rating how Warbucks.
But still, what about poor mull DoD, I mean he
gets it too. Yeah, I guess, I guess that was.
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That was a fun one. I can't I can't wait
to see what our next matchup is gonna be. We
always have fun like figuring out what to properties we
want to do, and usually we don't have any preconceived
ideas about what that might be so, in this case,
it was definitely an act of exploration for the two
of us. If you have suggestions for things we should
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mash up in the future, or let's say, you know,
you want to tell us about your favorite villains or
what makes a good villain, or you just have something
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We'll take either. Uh and until next time. I have
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